September 14, 2025 • 17 mins
The provided text offers an extensive overview of the Ancient, Mystic Order Rosae Crucis (AMORC), detailing its organisational structure, teachings, and practices. It highlights the AMORC as an international Rosicrucian Order, distinct from other groups, offering a graded system of instruction through both National Lodge (correspondence) and Temple Lodge (in-person) lectures. The manual thoroughly explains Rosicrucian symbols like the Cross and Rose, the layout and significance of their Temples and Lodges, and various officer roles and rituals. Furthermore, it covers mystical and scientific concepts such as atomic theory, human physiology (digestion, circulation, nervous system), psychic development, and the nature of reality versus actuality, while emphasising the Order's focus on humanitarianism, personal evolution, and the practical application of universal laws.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the deep dive. Today, we're really getting into
the hidden worlds of the Rosicrucian Order aom or RC.
We've got our hands on a pretty rare internal guide,
the rosicruci Manual by H. Spencer Lewis. Our mission really
is to cut through some of the fog, maybe challenge
a few assumptions, and see what this ancient tradition is
truly about exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And this isn't just you know, listing facts, It's about
understanding a whole system of thought. This manual, it gives
us a real inside look, a privileged perspective on an
order that's influenced quite a few people. It offers this
distinct view on science, spirituality, self mastery. We'll explore how
it guides members toward what they call cosmic illumination.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Cosmic illumination sounds profound. Okay, let's unpack this first. For
a lot of people, I imagine Rosicrucian brings up all
sorts of images. How does the manual itself describe what
AMORRC actually is.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, that's really the place to start. The manual is clear.
AMRC is not just some club, not just a publisher.
It's the ancient and mystical order rosy Crus's Cross, an
international philosophical and initiatic order. And that word initiatic, that's key, right,
It means members go through these internal symbolic steps, these
(01:12):
teachings all aimed at personal growth transformation.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Okay, initiatic And what about their big picture goal, their
purpose in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
They describe it as a humanitarian movement. The aim greater health,
happiness and peace for everyone. The idea is to free
people from the shackles of superstition and the limits of
ignorance so they can live you know, clean, normal, natural lives.
It's described as a school, a college of fraternity, even
as a laboratory aspect. Members become masters in the Holy Temple,
(01:41):
which is the body right, their own physical, whole body,
and also workers in the divine laboratory, which is nature.
So it's very much a practical path, not just sitting
around theorizing.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Interesting, so how does someone actually get involved? Is it
all secret meetings in like dark lodges.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, the secret meeting thing is maybe a bit overblown,
but they definitely have specific ways people engage. The manual
talks about two main types of membership, there's national lodge membership.
That's for correspondent students, people in remote areas maybe, or
whose jobs make it hard to attend meetings. They get
weekly lectures, experiments, They even do initiation rituals at home
(02:16):
in their.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Own sanctum rituals at home.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, a dedicated sacred space in their house. And then
you have temple lodge members. They attend actual physical lodges
and cities. It shows they're trying to make it accessible globally.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That makes sense. Now, lots of groups use the Rosicrucian name.
How does this manual set am orc apart?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh, it's very very firm on this point. The manual
basically says AMRC is part of the one and only
Rosicrucian Order that is truly international. It claims links to
a Konsai International in Europe, even sacred sanctums in India,
the Orient and Masters in Tibet. And importantly, it states
it's strictly non religious, non commercial, and not tied to
(02:56):
any other secret society or fraternity except the International Roscrusei Order.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So no connection to say the Freemasons.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Explicitly says no connection and none to other groups calling
themselves rosicrution like Max Heindel's Rosechicutian Fellowship. The manual says
their teachings are different.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
It's a very clear line in the sand. What about
the non commercial part? They have dues, right, like any organization.
How does the manual square.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That good question? It clarifies that the dues aren't payment
for the teachings. Those are seen more like a gift.
The money covers the operating expenses of an enormous scheme,
and scheme here means they're wider work helping members with problems,
healing efforts, scientific research, archaeology, promoting welfare.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So the teaching is just one part exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
The manual actually says only twenty five percent of their
activity is educational work. Most of it goes towards these
broader services. Any shortfall, it says, is often covered by
donations from high ranking officers. So education empowers members for service.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Okay, let's shift to the symbols. This is where it
gets really intriguing for me. The name itself rose Crusus
Latin of the rosy cross. Why Latin?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It seems quite practical. Actually using rose crusis follows foreign custom,
but maybe more importantly, it avoids confusion, confusion with commercial
propositions in America that might slack rosy cross on unrelated
books or whatever. Their official symbol is also super specific,
a gold cross with the distinctive looped ns. And this
(04:26):
is crucial. One red rose in the summer rose just one.
They explicitly say, symbols with seven or three or four roses,
those are not true Rosicrucian symbols, according to aim or c.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, one rose, specific cross. What does this image mean
to them? The rose and cross together.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Ah, The symbolism here is incredibly rich. It's central. The
cross for them wasn't originally Christian. It was common in
ancient cultures, symbolizing the labors and burdens of life, the
karma we have to deal with. Its origins are murky,
maybe drawing lines from the four cardinal points. That kind
of thing. These represents secrecy and evolution. Think about its
life cycle, fragrance, blooming, decay, rebirth. It symbolizes the cycle
(05:07):
of life, even human life. Hinting at continuity, may be reincarnation.
But the key is putting them together, especially in the
first degree initiation. It means life is light, aspiration is
the rose and the cross, and death is darkness.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So aspiration comes through the burdens and the evolution.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Exactly you aspire, you grow spiritually through dealing with life's karma,
the cross and evolving the rose. It's a journey.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What about the Egyptian cross, the ankh or crux and sata.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Right, For Rosicrucians, that one, the cruxensada or cross of
life is purely a symbol of immortality and reincarnation exclusively.
They really push back against what they call ignorant claims
that it's some kind of sex symbol. For them, it
has only that one meaning.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
It's clear symbols are just woven into everything, and this
attention to meaning seems to carry over into their physical spaces,
the temples and lodges.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Absolutely, the core idea is that the true temple is
the body of man. Your body is the temple you master,
and this mirrors the universe as the temple of God.
So the physical buildings are sacred spaces for study, meditation, work,
and they emphasize universal, non.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Sectarian and inside these temples.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Inside you find the lodge. It represents the surface of
the earth with the four cardinal points. The east is
most important. It's where the light begins, the dawn of illumination.
That's where the Master sits. The north, conversely, is dismal darkness,
where the seeker for light enters. It represents the journey
out of ignorance.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
In the center you mentioned a triangle.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yes, the shakina, a sacred triangle in the center. It
symbolizes the presence of God in our midst It's like
the spiritual heart of the temple. It's lit with three candles,
representing perfect manifestation.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Who are the main figures leading things in these spaces.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, you have the Master, who's seen as a master servant,
the greatest light. There's also the Matra, who acts as
a kind of mother figure both materially and spiritual. And
then there's a really interesting role the vestal columb columb
like a dove exactly. It's a young woman appointed usually
between thirteen and eighteen. She serves until she's twenty one
and must remain unmarried retain her virtue. She represents life,
(07:14):
light and love and also the conscience of the members.
It underscores this idea of purity and aspiration in their rituals.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Wow, and how do members physically interact in these spaces.
Are there specific gestures or rituals mentioned.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh, yes, very specific practices. One key one is the
sign of the Cross. It's a precise physical gesture right
hand thumb and first two fingers extended, moving from chest
level up to the throat, down to the left breast,
across to the right, curved back to the throat, then
down to the navel. It's done slowly and with dignity
and sincere reverence. It represents their obligation and.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oath, and they use it outside the launch too.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
They're advised to yes, even in courts of law, in
preference to other oaths, they should explain it's the most
sacred and binding oath for them, calling on true regardless
of all costs and all consequences. When entering the lodge,
they whisper a password salute the Master by facing east
and making this sign. And first degree initiates take an
(08:10):
obligation of service in the sanctum, that holy space near
the altar, pledging to restore light and secrets to the world.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
You mentioned secrets, but the manual draws a line right,
what is secret and.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
What isn't right, A very important distinction. The principles of
secrecy cover the details of initiation, ceremonies, the specific words actions,
how they open and close meetings, also unique terms, words, phrases, signs,
symbols used inside the templear lodge, plus scripts, passwords, salute
signs of recognition, all that procedural stuff. However, and this
is key, there's no obligation to keep secret all the
(08:45):
laws and principles which they learn.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So the teaching themselves aren't secret.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Not in the sense of hiding them. They're meant to
be used, applied for the benefit of others, but with discretion.
What would violate their oath is trying to commercialize the
teachings or publish them publicly without authorization.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
That's a really crucial difference. Okay, so we have the symbols,
the rituals. How does all this translate into how they
see the world their take on say.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Science, It's a fascinating blend really, Like they talk about
the law of the triangle not just as a symbol,
but as a real force in nature. You see it
in crystals, snowflakes, even sand patterns made by vibrations. It
points to this idea of an underlying geometric harmony in everything.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
They even get it to atomic physics.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
They do in their own way. They reference Dalton's atomic laws,
seeing atoms as point two of the triangle and subatomic
particles as point one. They have this principle like attracts
unlike and repels like, so in elements with three atoms,
the unlike atom is always in the center, pushed away
by the two similar ones. The spherical shape of atoms,
they say, allows for these mystic groups of seven. It
(09:50):
suggests this deep underlying intelligent order, even at the atomic level.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And what about something like the fourth dimension? That sounds pretty.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Out there for them, it's actually quite straightforward. The fourth
dimension is simply the rate of electronic vibration. This meberation
rate defines well everything about material objects, their qualities, attributes.
They even suggest it should logically be the first dimension
before length with height, because it's so fundamental. Mystics and
alchemists supposedly use this law.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Okay, that's a different perspective. Any other surprising scientific claims.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Oh yeah, get this. They contend that the force of
gravitation is not a pull but a push a push,
and they claim modern science is starting to prove them right.
They say, you can't overcome gravity, but you can lessen
its effects or utilize it a push.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, that definitely makes you think. Do the manual mention numerology?
People often link that with mystical groups.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
It does, but maybe not how you'd expect. It actually
warns against the popular systems where you assign numbers to
letters of the alphabet. They say that kind of system
is not true and correct. If anything has an effect,
they argue, it's the vowel sounds, not the letters themselves.
So they strongly advise against changing your name based on
those popular numerology charts, saying it just causes confusion without
(11:08):
real benefit.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Interesting. So this mix of mystical and scientific ideas does
it extend to the human body and healing.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Absolutely. The sixth grade lectures go into their own kind
of physiology. They talk about food providing negative elements and
breath supplying positive elements. Life itself happens when these connect.
This leads directly to their breeding exercises. The goal is
to consciously take in more positive elements than normal breathing allows.
This vitalizes the blood, which is important for psychic experiments
(11:39):
and for special healing work, and may have.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
A unique view of the nervous system too, right, Yes, a.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Really distinct split. There's the spinal nervous system for everyday
physical actions using what they call gross nature energy. But
then there's the sympathetic nervous system. This they say belongs
to the psychic part of man. It uses a higher
rate of energy, almost cosmic energy.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So the sympathetic system is like a psychic antenna kind of.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah. They see it not just for automatic bodily functions,
but as a direct link for spiritual energy. It can
be influenced for healing or higher awareness. They even claim
this function wasn't known until the Resicrucians explained it. And
they believe you can use music, notes, colors, even thought
waves to affect the system for healing. They have secret
methods for boosting blood vitality in specific areas.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Wow, Okay, it feels like all of this, the symbols,
the rituals, the science, the physiology, it's all building towards
something big. You mentioned psychic illumination. Is that the ultimate goal?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's the term used. Yes, building towards cosmic illumination, that's
the ultimate aim. It's something achieved when the student is
truly ready through all this preparation, becoming worthy and the
state apparently leads to instruction from a cosmic master, not
an earthly teacher. The manual even names figures like kut Humi,
who they say was theutmost the third of Egypt and
(12:58):
now lives in Tibet.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Cosmic masters. And what about the Great White Lodge or
brotherhood people sometimes hear about, right.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
The Manual describes the Great White Lodge as this holy
assembly of masterminds, twelve of them, some on the cosmic planes,
some still on Earth. The Great White Brotherhood is more
like the school or the fraternity itself, an invisible brotherhood
of visible members that dedicated students aspire to join.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And getting into that brotherhood involves cosmic initiation. What's that like.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's described as something that can happen during sleep or meditation,
maybe unexpectedly. It brings this huge aflux of divine apprehension
and spiritual awakening. It can even feel like a physical rebirth, rejuvenation,
and after that comes cosmic consciousness, which isn't just gut feelings,
but actual knowledge of present events and things decreed to
(13:47):
occur in the near future.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's intense. So for someone on this path. How does
the manual say you prepare for something like that?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Preparation is key, first loyalty, devotion to the ideals of
Rosicrucianism and mantaining a real connection physical contact with AMRC itself. Second,
the lessons aren't just for your brain. Yes, they train
the brain and augment the knowledge, but they also give
and suggest certain experiments and tests that consciously and unconsciously
(14:14):
develop your psychic centers.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So just reading isn't enough.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Definitely not. The manual stresses that mere intellectual study is
not sufficient. You have to do the exercises the tests
regularly each week or even each day for a few minutes.
It also manages expectations. Not all psychic development will be
obvious right away. It requires time in each human being,
be patient, be persistent. Interestingly, it also says if you
(14:40):
already have uncontrolled psychic experiences like visions, they might actually
start for a while when you start studying stop Why.
The idea is that nature stops them until the time
comes to use them under control, after you've learned the
laws and principles. So it's about harnessing, not just having
these abilities.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
That makes sense. The manual even lays out a Rosicrucian
code of life life, doesn't it Daily practices?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yes, And this really shows how integrated they expect the
path to be. It's not just study time, it's all
the time, little things like starting the day with gratitude
to God, rituals around food, like magnetizing it with energy
from your hands, mindfulness when you receive a blessing, asking yourself,
have I truly deserved this? Can I share this benefit?
It turns everyday moments into spiritual practice.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So it really permeates daily life.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Completely, humility with honors, tolerance and religious debates, offering constructive criticism,
always working on self improvement, sharing knowledge, discreetly offering service
like helping build or decorate temples, maintaining a sacred meditation
space at home. And there's this core principle, not by
revolution but through evolution. Are all things accomplished in permanency, gradual,
(15:48):
steady growth.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
It definitely sounds like a commitment, a lifelong journey.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It absolutely is. The manual itself says even a whole
lifetime would not be sufficient to learn all that there
is to learn. Getting to mastership might take the average
number of five or six years but that's framed as
being like a pencil dot on a line a mile
in length compared to your entire cycle of incarnations.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
We have covered a lot today, a real deep dive
into amor C through this rosicrution manual history symbols their
unique blend of science and philosophy. It's clearly a path
demanding serious commitment, continuous work on oneself, all aimed at
well transformation and service exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And what's really striking, I think, is that it's not
just about knowing stuff. It's about turning that knowledge into
wisdom into action, Understanding that mastery starts inside you, but
the goal is to extend that outward to help humanity.
It really tries to bridge that gap between science and mysticism,
showing how both can point towards the same universal truths.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So here's something for you, our listener, to chew on
the rosicructions. According to this manual, believe gravitation is not
a pull but a push. Just think about that. If
that fundamental idea could be flipped, what other basic assumptions
do we hold about reality that might look completely different
through another lens. Mul that over until our next deep
dive
Welcome to the deep dive. Today, we're really getting into
the hidden worlds of the Rosicrucian Order aom or RC.
We've got our hands on a pretty rare internal guide,
the rosicruci Manual by H. Spencer Lewis. Our mission really
is to cut through some of the fog, maybe challenge
a few assumptions, and see what this ancient tradition is
truly about exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And this isn't just you know, listing facts, It's about
understanding a whole system of thought. This manual, it gives
us a real inside look, a privileged perspective on an
order that's influenced quite a few people. It offers this
distinct view on science, spirituality, self mastery. We'll explore how
it guides members toward what they call cosmic illumination.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Cosmic illumination sounds profound. Okay, let's unpack this first. For
a lot of people, I imagine Rosicrucian brings up all
sorts of images. How does the manual itself describe what
AMORRC actually is.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, that's really the place to start. The manual is clear.
AMRC is not just some club, not just a publisher.
It's the ancient and mystical order rosy Crus's Cross, an
international philosophical and initiatic order. And that word initiatic, that's key, right,
It means members go through these internal symbolic steps, these
(01:12):
teachings all aimed at personal growth transformation.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Okay, initiatic And what about their big picture goal, their
purpose in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
They describe it as a humanitarian movement. The aim greater health,
happiness and peace for everyone. The idea is to free
people from the shackles of superstition and the limits of
ignorance so they can live you know, clean, normal, natural lives.
It's described as a school, a college of fraternity, even
as a laboratory aspect. Members become masters in the Holy Temple,
(01:41):
which is the body right, their own physical, whole body,
and also workers in the divine laboratory, which is nature.
So it's very much a practical path, not just sitting
around theorizing.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Interesting, so how does someone actually get involved? Is it
all secret meetings in like dark lodges.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, the secret meeting thing is maybe a bit overblown,
but they definitely have specific ways people engage. The manual
talks about two main types of membership, there's national lodge membership.
That's for correspondent students, people in remote areas maybe, or
whose jobs make it hard to attend meetings. They get
weekly lectures, experiments, They even do initiation rituals at home
(02:16):
in their.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Own sanctum rituals at home.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, a dedicated sacred space in their house. And then
you have temple lodge members. They attend actual physical lodges
and cities. It shows they're trying to make it accessible globally.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That makes sense. Now, lots of groups use the Rosicrucian name.
How does this manual set am orc apart?
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Oh, it's very very firm on this point. The manual
basically says AMRC is part of the one and only
Rosicrucian Order that is truly international. It claims links to
a Konsai International in Europe, even sacred sanctums in India,
the Orient and Masters in Tibet. And importantly, it states
it's strictly non religious, non commercial, and not tied to
(02:56):
any other secret society or fraternity except the International Roscrusei Order.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So no connection to say the Freemasons.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Explicitly says no connection and none to other groups calling
themselves rosicrution like Max Heindel's Rosechicutian Fellowship. The manual says
their teachings are different.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
It's a very clear line in the sand. What about
the non commercial part? They have dues, right, like any organization.
How does the manual square.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
That good question? It clarifies that the dues aren't payment
for the teachings. Those are seen more like a gift.
The money covers the operating expenses of an enormous scheme,
and scheme here means they're wider work helping members with problems,
healing efforts, scientific research, archaeology, promoting welfare.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So the teaching is just one part exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
The manual actually says only twenty five percent of their
activity is educational work. Most of it goes towards these
broader services. Any shortfall, it says, is often covered by
donations from high ranking officers. So education empowers members for service.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Okay, let's shift to the symbols. This is where it
gets really intriguing for me. The name itself rose Crusus
Latin of the rosy cross. Why Latin?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It seems quite practical. Actually using rose crusis follows foreign custom,
but maybe more importantly, it avoids confusion, confusion with commercial
propositions in America that might slack rosy cross on unrelated
books or whatever. Their official symbol is also super specific,
a gold cross with the distinctive looped ns. And this
(04:26):
is crucial. One red rose in the summer rose just one.
They explicitly say, symbols with seven or three or four roses,
those are not true Rosicrucian symbols, according to aim or c.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Okay, one rose, specific cross. What does this image mean
to them? The rose and cross together.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Ah, The symbolism here is incredibly rich. It's central. The
cross for them wasn't originally Christian. It was common in
ancient cultures, symbolizing the labors and burdens of life, the
karma we have to deal with. Its origins are murky,
maybe drawing lines from the four cardinal points. That kind
of thing. These represents secrecy and evolution. Think about its
life cycle, fragrance, blooming, decay, rebirth. It symbolizes the cycle
(05:07):
of life, even human life. Hinting at continuity, may be reincarnation.
But the key is putting them together, especially in the
first degree initiation. It means life is light, aspiration is
the rose and the cross, and death is darkness.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
So aspiration comes through the burdens and the evolution.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Exactly you aspire, you grow spiritually through dealing with life's karma,
the cross and evolving the rose. It's a journey.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What about the Egyptian cross, the ankh or crux and sata.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Right, For Rosicrucians, that one, the cruxensada or cross of
life is purely a symbol of immortality and reincarnation exclusively.
They really push back against what they call ignorant claims
that it's some kind of sex symbol. For them, it
has only that one meaning.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
It's clear symbols are just woven into everything, and this
attention to meaning seems to carry over into their physical spaces,
the temples and lodges.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Absolutely, the core idea is that the true temple is
the body of man. Your body is the temple you master,
and this mirrors the universe as the temple of God.
So the physical buildings are sacred spaces for study, meditation, work,
and they emphasize universal, non.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Sectarian and inside these temples.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Inside you find the lodge. It represents the surface of
the earth with the four cardinal points. The east is
most important. It's where the light begins, the dawn of illumination.
That's where the Master sits. The north, conversely, is dismal darkness,
where the seeker for light enters. It represents the journey
out of ignorance.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
In the center you mentioned a triangle.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yes, the shakina, a sacred triangle in the center. It
symbolizes the presence of God in our midst It's like
the spiritual heart of the temple. It's lit with three candles,
representing perfect manifestation.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Who are the main figures leading things in these spaces.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, you have the Master, who's seen as a master servant,
the greatest light. There's also the Matra, who acts as
a kind of mother figure both materially and spiritual. And
then there's a really interesting role the vestal columb columb
like a dove exactly. It's a young woman appointed usually
between thirteen and eighteen. She serves until she's twenty one
and must remain unmarried retain her virtue. She represents life,
(07:14):
light and love and also the conscience of the members.
It underscores this idea of purity and aspiration in their rituals.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Wow, and how do members physically interact in these spaces.
Are there specific gestures or rituals mentioned.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh, yes, very specific practices. One key one is the
sign of the Cross. It's a precise physical gesture right
hand thumb and first two fingers extended, moving from chest
level up to the throat, down to the left breast,
across to the right, curved back to the throat, then
down to the navel. It's done slowly and with dignity
and sincere reverence. It represents their obligation and.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oath, and they use it outside the launch too.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
They're advised to yes, even in courts of law, in
preference to other oaths, they should explain it's the most
sacred and binding oath for them, calling on true regardless
of all costs and all consequences. When entering the lodge,
they whisper a password salute the Master by facing east
and making this sign. And first degree initiates take an
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obligation of service in the sanctum, that holy space near
the altar, pledging to restore light and secrets to the world.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
You mentioned secrets, but the manual draws a line right,
what is secret and.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
What isn't right, A very important distinction. The principles of
secrecy cover the details of initiation, ceremonies, the specific words actions,
how they open and close meetings, also unique terms, words, phrases, signs,
symbols used inside the templear lodge, plus scripts, passwords, salute
signs of recognition, all that procedural stuff. However, and this
is key, there's no obligation to keep secret all the
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laws and principles which they learn.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So the teaching themselves aren't secret.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Not in the sense of hiding them. They're meant to
be used, applied for the benefit of others, but with discretion.
What would violate their oath is trying to commercialize the
teachings or publish them publicly without authorization.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
That's a really crucial difference. Okay, so we have the symbols,
the rituals. How does all this translate into how they
see the world their take on say.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Science, It's a fascinating blend really, Like they talk about
the law of the triangle not just as a symbol,
but as a real force in nature. You see it
in crystals, snowflakes, even sand patterns made by vibrations. It
points to this idea of an underlying geometric harmony in everything.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
They even get it to atomic physics.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
They do in their own way. They reference Dalton's atomic laws,
seeing atoms as point two of the triangle and subatomic
particles as point one. They have this principle like attracts
unlike and repels like, so in elements with three atoms,
the unlike atom is always in the center, pushed away
by the two similar ones. The spherical shape of atoms,
they say, allows for these mystic groups of seven. It
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suggests this deep underlying intelligent order, even at the atomic level.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
And what about something like the fourth dimension? That sounds pretty.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Out there for them, it's actually quite straightforward. The fourth
dimension is simply the rate of electronic vibration. This meberation
rate defines well everything about material objects, their qualities, attributes.
They even suggest it should logically be the first dimension
before length with height, because it's so fundamental. Mystics and
alchemists supposedly use this law.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Okay, that's a different perspective. Any other surprising scientific claims.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Oh yeah, get this. They contend that the force of
gravitation is not a pull but a push a push,
and they claim modern science is starting to prove them right.
They say, you can't overcome gravity, but you can lessen
its effects or utilize it a push.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, that definitely makes you think. Do the manual mention numerology?
People often link that with mystical groups.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
It does, but maybe not how you'd expect. It actually
warns against the popular systems where you assign numbers to
letters of the alphabet. They say that kind of system
is not true and correct. If anything has an effect,
they argue, it's the vowel sounds, not the letters themselves.
So they strongly advise against changing your name based on
those popular numerology charts, saying it just causes confusion without
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real benefit.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Interesting. So this mix of mystical and scientific ideas does
it extend to the human body and healing.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Absolutely. The sixth grade lectures go into their own kind
of physiology. They talk about food providing negative elements and
breath supplying positive elements. Life itself happens when these connect.
This leads directly to their breeding exercises. The goal is
to consciously take in more positive elements than normal breathing allows.
This vitalizes the blood, which is important for psychic experiments
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and for special healing work, and may have.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
A unique view of the nervous system too, right, Yes, a.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Really distinct split. There's the spinal nervous system for everyday
physical actions using what they call gross nature energy. But
then there's the sympathetic nervous system. This they say belongs
to the psychic part of man. It uses a higher
rate of energy, almost cosmic energy.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So the sympathetic system is like a psychic antenna kind of.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah. They see it not just for automatic bodily functions,
but as a direct link for spiritual energy. It can
be influenced for healing or higher awareness. They even claim
this function wasn't known until the Resicrucians explained it. And
they believe you can use music, notes, colors, even thought
waves to affect the system for healing. They have secret
methods for boosting blood vitality in specific areas.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Wow, Okay, it feels like all of this, the symbols,
the rituals, the science, the physiology, it's all building towards
something big. You mentioned psychic illumination. Is that the ultimate goal?
Speaker 2 (12:36):
That's the term used. Yes, building towards cosmic illumination, that's
the ultimate aim. It's something achieved when the student is
truly ready through all this preparation, becoming worthy and the
state apparently leads to instruction from a cosmic master, not
an earthly teacher. The manual even names figures like kut Humi,
who they say was theutmost the third of Egypt and
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now lives in Tibet.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Cosmic masters. And what about the Great White Lodge or
brotherhood people sometimes hear about, right.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
The Manual describes the Great White Lodge as this holy
assembly of masterminds, twelve of them, some on the cosmic planes,
some still on Earth. The Great White Brotherhood is more
like the school or the fraternity itself, an invisible brotherhood
of visible members that dedicated students aspire to join.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And getting into that brotherhood involves cosmic initiation. What's that like.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
It's described as something that can happen during sleep or meditation,
maybe unexpectedly. It brings this huge aflux of divine apprehension
and spiritual awakening. It can even feel like a physical rebirth, rejuvenation,
and after that comes cosmic consciousness, which isn't just gut feelings,
but actual knowledge of present events and things decreed to
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occur in the near future.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
That's intense. So for someone on this path. How does
the manual say you prepare for something like that?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Preparation is key, first loyalty, devotion to the ideals of
Rosicrucianism and mantaining a real connection physical contact with AMRC itself. Second,
the lessons aren't just for your brain. Yes, they train
the brain and augment the knowledge, but they also give
and suggest certain experiments and tests that consciously and unconsciously
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develop your psychic centers.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So just reading isn't enough.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Definitely not. The manual stresses that mere intellectual study is
not sufficient. You have to do the exercises the tests
regularly each week or even each day for a few minutes.
It also manages expectations. Not all psychic development will be
obvious right away. It requires time in each human being,
be patient, be persistent. Interestingly, it also says if you
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already have uncontrolled psychic experiences like visions, they might actually
start for a while when you start studying stop Why.
The idea is that nature stops them until the time
comes to use them under control, after you've learned the
laws and principles. So it's about harnessing, not just having
these abilities.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
That makes sense. The manual even lays out a Rosicrucian
code of life life, doesn't it Daily practices?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yes, And this really shows how integrated they expect the
path to be. It's not just study time, it's all
the time, little things like starting the day with gratitude
to God, rituals around food, like magnetizing it with energy
from your hands, mindfulness when you receive a blessing, asking yourself,
have I truly deserved this? Can I share this benefit?
It turns everyday moments into spiritual practice.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So it really permeates daily life.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Completely, humility with honors, tolerance and religious debates, offering constructive criticism,
always working on self improvement, sharing knowledge, discreetly offering service
like helping build or decorate temples, maintaining a sacred meditation
space at home. And there's this core principle, not by
revolution but through evolution. Are all things accomplished in permanency, gradual,
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steady growth.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
It definitely sounds like a commitment, a lifelong journey.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It absolutely is. The manual itself says even a whole
lifetime would not be sufficient to learn all that there
is to learn. Getting to mastership might take the average
number of five or six years but that's framed as
being like a pencil dot on a line a mile
in length compared to your entire cycle of incarnations.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
We have covered a lot today, a real deep dive
into amor C through this rosicrution manual history symbols their
unique blend of science and philosophy. It's clearly a path
demanding serious commitment, continuous work on oneself, all aimed at
well transformation and service exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
And what's really striking, I think, is that it's not
just about knowing stuff. It's about turning that knowledge into
wisdom into action, Understanding that mastery starts inside you, but
the goal is to extend that outward to help humanity.
It really tries to bridge that gap between science and mysticism,
showing how both can point towards the same universal truths.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So here's something for you, our listener, to chew on
the rosicructions. According to this manual, believe gravitation is not
a pull but a push. Just think about that. If
that fundamental idea could be flipped, what other basic assumptions
do we hold about reality that might look completely different
through another lens. Mul that over until our next deep
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