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Okay, welcome to our podcast.
This is the Quiett Mom PotsTalk, and we are Zoe and Robyn.
I usually let Zoe introduceherself.
I'm Robyn.
I'm Zoe.
And we are here.
It's Monday.
Happy Monday, everyone.
It's been a couple of weekssince we've recorded.

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I know we haven't been asconsistent as we've wanted to
be, but, we've both been reallybusy.
I haven't been feeling supergreat and it's been a really
stressful time of year with theholidays and work and the
seasons changing and daylightsavings time and everything

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else.
There's a lot going on.
But here we are.
We made it.
We made it back.
And the last time, if you werelistening to us before, and
you've been following our pottop pots podcast, you may know
that the last time we were herewas right before Zoe went to do
her autonomic testing.
Testing.

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What's it called?
Autonomic testing panel.
So the autonomic testing paneland that panel included.
So that's what we're talkingabout today is the autonomic
testing and how it went.
Yes.
So the testing, first of all,let's talk about how you.
What was your experience duringthe testing?
The testing itself was, like,very draining.

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They did the breathing testing,and that was really hard.
I felt really exhaustedafterwards.
And, that was it.
The second one they did, the onewhere I was like breathing out
for 15 seconds straight, thatwas like, I don't know how they
expected a person to do that.
That just seemed, I don't know.

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I don't know if it's just mebeing that there's something
wrong with me, or if that's justlike a normal person thing, like
breathing out for 15 seconds,keeping it at like a consistent
level of I don't even know howto say that.
But like the test, it was theway the test kind of went is the
tester said you have to like,exhale.

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They put this little thing thatyou breathed into.
Yeah.
And it was like, hook it up tothe machine.
And it was weird because therewas, it was.
lit up at the level you weresupposed to be at and then it
would show where you are and youthink that would be easy.
You think that there wouldn't beany problems with keeping a
consistent breath level orwhatever, but it's actually a

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lot harder than you'd expect.
Like you get to breathing andit's jumping all over the place
and you feel like you're justBreathing out.
And so when we went into theroom, Zoe was in the room and I
went in the room with her, so Iwas able to watch, but I was
where I was seated in the roomwas behind where Zoe was at.
So they put her like on thishospital bed type thing.

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So she laid down on this bed andthey hooked all the wires up to
her.
It was on the tilt table.
So I was like, I was laying downfor pretty much everything.
There was like a part of itwhere I was Part way tilted up
and then obviously the tilttable part, but I was laying
down for most of it So the firstpart she had to do was some
breath tests She was talkingabout and then they did this

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tilt table test where theytilted the table up and then
they Tested her and that part Iwas miserable.
Like you were asking how I wasduring the test that part.
It was just I had so manysymptoms, I had the dizziness as
I was getting up, and like Istarted seeing stars, I was
getting dizzy.
Obviously like I was telling thedude the symptoms the whole

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time, and so you were hearingeverything I was saying, I was
getting dizzy.
My legs started getting themlike up to my knees.
My legs were practically numb orlike tingling and my right arm,
like my left hand was likehooked into something like out
to the side.
I have a blood pressure monitor.
Yeah.
And I had all sorts of stuffconnected to me, but my legs and

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my right.
We're like getting numbthroughout the 15 minutes.
Yeah.
And like I was looking down atmy feet and they were like
literally probably close to aspurple as your shirt is not that
like vibrant, but that pigment,that's what my feet looked like.
So you had a lot of what youfelt was recurrence of symptoms.

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Yeah.
And I had some chest pain whileI was standing up or while I was
Tilted up or whatever you wantto call it.
So what they're measuring in thetilts test is your heart rate
and blood pressure.
They do some breathing.
measurements and stuff.
But so this, and then they didthis sweat, rip, sweat response.

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Did they do that with youstanding up to?
No, that one there was backlaying down because they had to,
they laid me back down and thenwe waited Five minutes or
something.
And then he put like the little,whatever it was on to activate
my throat or something.
No, it was before that, like theliquid.
And then he put the electrodeson.
And it was funny because he wassaying that it was going to

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sting.
But I had tattoos, so I'dprobably be fine.
And I don't know why he made thecomparison to tattoos because it
felt nothing like tattoos.
It felt like a.
Because some people complainabout it stinging.
Yeah.
But it felt like a rash, like Itfelt like if somebody was taking
a hairdryer and blowing it upagainst a raw heat rash or

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something like that.
And you think about Thatcomparison or analogy, this is
what it's going to feel like.
I feel like it's the same.
It's similar to when you'venever had a tattoo and people
are like, oh, it feels likeconstant bee stings or it feels
like this.
It feels like that to me, itfeels like a razor cutting into
your arm.
To me, it's like a vibrationwith some needles.

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So I think when people are like,oh, it feels like this.
It's not like it tastes likechicken, like everything tastes
like chicken.
Tattoos feel a little differentfor everybody.
And that goes back toeverybody's Pain sensitivity is
different.
Exactly.
But, so what you did is you hadthis, they put these electrodes

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or whatever that stimulated theskin that was supposed to
stimulate sweat and they test.
Which I don't even really knowif it was supposed to make me
sweat or if it was justsomething that they would see
with like the sensors they hadon.
And I don't, I was thinking thesame thing.
I was like, are you supposed to?
Is it supposed to sweat or areyou not supposed to sweat?
Are we thinking it's just the,so basically there was just this

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menagerie or group of tests thatyou went in to test for.
And this is this the only thingthat they use to diagnose POTS
or what other?
So I actually did some researchon that.
Having technically, so theoutcome of the test, yeah, the
outcome of the test was that Ididn't meet the qualifications

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for a POTS diagnosis ororthostatic hypotension.
According to the results of thetest, Read by the tester.
So that's not really an officialdoctor's diagnosis or lack of
diagnosis Yeah, and I stillhaven't heard like I didn't meet
the physical numbers like mine,but they've classified as yeah

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So here's the thing like youhave to have I think it's like a
three minute time frame thatyour heart has to be elevated by
30 beats a minute or more.
My heart was elevated every timethat they had checked it by 20
to 25 beats a minute.
So it's supposed to be 30 beatsis the threshold and it was just
20 to 25.

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Yeah.
And.
The three minute mark was thethreshold and mine was like two
to two and a half minutes.
I'm like right there and since Ihaven't heard back from the
doctors yet, I don't really knowwhat the next steps are.
Yeah.
But, as of right now, they'resaying I don't the criteria.
Exactly.

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But they didn't have all of theother information of every
single symptom that I have everhad.
They just had the referral anddo the test and whatever else.
So I'm waiting till I see myneurologist on Wednesday because
he was the one who ordered thetest.
He's the one who got the testresults and he'll be able to
correct that.
Go over it with me.

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Process them.
Yeah.
And even if it's not POTS,there's other options of what it
could be.
Obviously, there's a lot ofdifferent conditions that are
very similar to POTS that couldbe a possible situation for me.
And there's also the possibilityof it could be something with my
head because of my concussionsor something along those lines.

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So when you get a test, and thisis true with almost any
Diagnostic test in a lot ofdifferent medical fields.
Now, I'm going to put thisdisclaimer that I'm not a doctor
and I do not was, I'm notprofessing that I can diagnose
things or evaluate medical testsor anything else.

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I do know that there's a lot ofconditions that although they
have these barriers or thesenumbers, like these are the, you
Criteria.
Criteria to meet a positive ornegative diagnosis.
There are some people that havethat same injury, illness, or
condition with high, like highnormals or low normals, and they

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still are officially diagnosedwith whatever condition.
And this is not Like I said too,like we've talked about it
before.
POTS can be diagnosed justbecause of the symptoms.
That's a lot of the times how ithappens.
Yes, the positive tilt tabletest is automatically going to
diagnose you with POTS, but youcan still have the same effects
of it without meeting that.

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Criteria.
It's just figuring out if that'swhat it is or if it's something
else that's going on.
Which is, which is why we havedoctors, like we have these
tests and we have these testers,like the people who are the
experts of how to perform thistest.
They read the results and theysay, you don't fit the
parameters, which the print, youmight be one.
Tick off of, or like your case,you're close to those numbers.

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I was, when I was younger, I wastested for thyroid condition and
my doctor at the time, he was adoctor that specialized in
thyroid conditions and I had lownormal readings.
All of the doctors that I'veever worked with have always
said, you're normal, go aboutyour way and you're fine.
He was like.
You're low normal.

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So let's treat you and see if itgets better.
And most of his patients were inthat low normal range.
He treated them and they gotbetter and it helped.
And so for me, we did that.
I don't remember exactly what Iended up.
He put me on metformin.
I ended up going off of itbecause I don't remember why,
but whatever.
But what I'm saying is.

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It's not there's just becauseyou get this thing saying, Oh,
you didn't meet these parametersdoesn't mean you're like, Oh,
now what?
I'm broken.
I can tell that I'm there's Ifeel broken.
There's something wrong with me.
It's not my body's notfunctioning the way I expect it
to or the way what I thinknormal is or what we think
normal is.
So now all of a sudden you gotthis test that says It's like

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going to the, like hurting at ajoint, going to get an x ray,
for a fact that you broke yourankle cause you can't move it.
It hurts like hell.
You have a bruise, whatever.
And you go get an x ray andthey're like, You didn't break
anything.
You have a torn ligament or youhave a this or that, or it's
just bruised.
That doesn't change the injurythat you have to your ankle and

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that you need crutches and youprobably need to immobilize or
stop running on it for a momentfor a while.
It's just a different diagnosisand so it's but I can understand
or I feel like I want you totalk about and tell the world,
tell us, talk about that.

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Was there like an emotionalrollercoaster you went through
when you're like, Oh my God, nowwhat?
Fuck, I've been playing, sorry,language.
I've been planning.
I've been working this.
I know I'm becoming an expert onthis.
And now I might not even havethis condition.
Yeah.
How was that for you?
Somebody, one of my coworkerswas actually, he asked me, is it
almost like an identity crisis?

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And I'm like, yeah, it feelsthat way because it's like,
Chibi, please stop.
Our dog's freaking out.
She doesn't like that we'redoing this.
She doesn't like she's notgetting attention.
Okay, so tell us about likeidentity crisis.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So I was like processing thewhole thing after I got the

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notification because I didn'teven get like a phone call.
Haven't heard from a doctor yet.
Like I said, waiting till I justnormal for technology.
Yeah, it is.
It's not something I'm likestressed out about or anything
like that.
But reading that it said Doesnot meet the criteria for

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postural orthostatic tachycardiasyndrome.
That was like a big smack in theface like Even though you have
almost every symptom that thiscondition has been related to
You don't meet the criteria andyou They didn't say I don't have

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it, but they basically said Idon't have it so it's just
Difficult to come to terms withbecause it feels like I'm right
back to where I was right backto The reason that we started
this podcast right which is notknowing anything Not
understanding where all of thisis coming from why it's

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happening But it's like I'vealready We thought that we found
what it was.
So I was like relieved and I wasprepared and I looked it up and
I did my research and I didstuff that should have helped
it.
And I was questioning like, whyis this not working?
And I'm like, it just needs moretime.
But maybe that is actuallybecause it's not the real

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problem.
So it's just hard to be like, Idon't know, turned right back
around and basically back towhere I was.
I can understand that.
And that's almost sometimes it'salmost like getting that.
When you go to the doctor andyou get no results, like you're,
you don't know what it is.
And they're like, Oh, you'refine.
It's I'm not, but I'm not fine.

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It's literally the story of ourlife.
You don't want to have thatcondition and you don't want to
be dying or sick, but you wantto know what it is because if
you have that answer of what itis in theory, you know what you
can do to make it better orchange it.
In the meantime, that's been acouple weeks now, have you

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adjusted your thought process tothat and accepted it a little
bit?
Or are you At first I was, like,very against doing anything
else.
I was just done.
I was ready to just figure itout on my own.
Figure out what helps me, whatdoesn't help me, and, just Just
deal with it, basically.

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And now I'm yeah, I still wantto figure out what's wrong
because there's so many thingsthat it could be, so many things
that I still have wanted to doand haven't done yet, like
getting the genetic testing.
But it's just It's so hard tokeep pushing when it feels like
that's all I've been doingbecause I thought that I was
going to get an answer or Ithought that I had already

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figured it out.
And you feel like you're chasingyour tail.
So it's just it's a process,which is something that I say a
lot, but it really is that'sliterally the only thing that I
can say about it.
And honestly, life is like aprocess for everything.
And then you have those daysthat it's like, It's funny, in
Grey's Anatomy Sorry, I'mobsessed with it right now.
But, Meredith's mom always says,The carousel keeps on turning,

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or the carousel never stopsturning, or something like that.
And it's just so true, becauseyou can't get off, you can't
escape it.
You just I remember goinggrowing up.
There is a movie that I used towatch and it was one of my
favorite movies, but I wasreally young and I don't think I
completely understood the movie.
I think it was a horror movie orsome sort of a scary movie.
My parents had me watch movieslike Poltergeist and Cujo and

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this other movie that I don'tremember what it was, but it had
this carousel thing, which iswhy I was attracted to it
because it was like the merry goround.
But looking back, I wish I knewthe movie.
If anybody knows the movie thatI'm talking about, which they
will not, but that was in theera of that, but it was my mom
night.
But anyways, it was like thereis this carousel that kept going

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and this kid and things maybestarted falling off the carousel
or whatever.
But it was like this everyepisode or every whatever the
repeating things was thecarousel.
But it is it's like thatcarousel keeps on going.
It's like I've used some peopleuse the saying of a Ferris
wheel.
It just keeps going around andyou go back up and you come back
down.
And that's the reason why whenyou get into arguments with

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people, they say, we went roundson this.
Yeah, we go around and aroundand we don't get anywhere.
And we just like, why the F arewe doing this again?
And so it's like boxing rounds.
They're just standing therepunching each other.
For what reason?
What's the point?
Yeah.
So now that you just feel likethat, I get that I get some hate
for that, but I will aboutboxing, whatever.

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Probably not here.
I'm not a huge boxing fan.
Fa anyways.
Me either.
I actually, I like this, okay.
When I was younger, I wanted tobe a boxer.
I wanted to box.
I've always wanted to do theserandom things that like just
shock people like you do what?
I have these random momentswhere I think I could be a
police officer or a firefighteror something, but I know that

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could never happen.
You, I think you could be that,but I absolutely think I could
not.
And now, so now and nowobviously, what do I do?
I am like.
a football referee and I'mtrying to like, make something
of myself in this world.
Anyways, but I had lost my, whatwas I talking about?
Shocking.
Oh, we were talking aboutboxing, but I like boxing.

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Like I like the sport.
Like I like kickboxing classes.
I like practicing punching.
I like the fitness about boxing.
I don't like the idea of peoplepunching each other in the face
until they pass out.
It's one thing if you're likesparring with somebody, but if
you're like, just.
If you're sparring and you havethe headgear and everything and

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it's like safer, like that'sunderstandable, but if you're
just sitting there.
Like for the sport of it barenaked except you're sure it's in
you're hitting somebody in theface over and over Yeah, I can't
I just and honestly like boxingis one thing but then you add
the next level of UFC And thatis like I remember all of our

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friends like my son's Theron's awrestler, and I love wrestling.
You're talking to me like I'msome stranger.
Theron's a wrestler, and I likewatching wrestling, but like the
idea, I've said this sincebefore I had kids, The idea of
signing a permission slip for mykid to go be a UFC or do multi
like that UFC type fighting.

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I don't think I can get there.
And even if they're in wanted togo be a UFC type fighter, I
would go watch him and I wouldsupport him, but I would be, I
would probably be like my teeththe whole time.
I cringe.
Like we used to do UFC partieswhen you guys were growing up.
I would do that.
I would.
sit there with you and we'd bothjust be like, I may, I would

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every time.
And now I'm a wrestling refereeand I do that sometimes.
Although this weekend atpractice, it was practice
rounds.
There was two probably slamsthat I should have called that I
did not call penalties on.
And I feel horrible about them,but sometimes one of the guys
like if it makes you cringe,it's probably illegal, but I'm
like, Everything makes mecringe.

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So that's not a good way for me.
No.
So I've learned if they pickthem up off the ground and they
don't, which I know the rule, ifthey don't, they have to control
them to the ground.
So with the practice, whathappened this weekend, there
was, it was two different ones.
One, I just, I don't, I'm stillnot sure that it actually was
illegal.
The other one, they didn'tforcefully throw them to the

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ground, but they did not controlthem to the ground.
And so I missed that one.
And I probably shouldn't have.
And it was a girl match.
And so then now I feel even morebad because afterwards I was
talking to the girl, I just feltbad anyway.
But, it's part of learning, andwe're learning but yeah I can't
I cringe on all of the things.
So anyways, where did this, oh,this was going around and going

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in circles about getting answersor not having answers.
So what's next?
Next is Neurology on Wednesday.
It's this Wednesday?
Yeah.
Okay.
I got really lucky.
I, literally, I randomly, I hadbeen procrastinating calling the
neurologist all week last week.
Cause are you I don't know if Iwant to know, I don't know if I
want to face this.
So last time I had called them,they were like, we don't have

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anything until your appointmentin February.
And that was like, Mhm.
So not even a week ago, it waslonger than that.
But I called them and I waslike, Waiting on hold and then
it had the option to leave amessage and I was like screw
this I'm leaving a message I'mabout to go to an end to work.
So I left a message Somebodycalled me back and she was like

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I actually have an appointmentnext Wednesday at 8 o 5 in the
morning If that's not too earlyand I'm like that's actually
perfect because that's beforework.
That's nice.
So She was like, that's awesome.
I saw it and I wanted to get itfor somebody.
So I got you on the phone andI'm like, that's perfect.
So that's it.
So then you'll have Ben.
And that's the doctor, is thatthe doctor that diagnosed your

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POTS in the first place?
So he didn't diagnose my POTS inthe first place, but he was
supportive of the diagnosis andmy cardiologist was supportive
of the diagnosis.
All of my doctors were very muchin agreement.
This makes sense that this iswhat it should be.
Yeah, my primary doctorofficially diagnosed it last
December, but every doctor thatI have, my cardio, neuro

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Everyone was completely inagreeance that was the case.
And so let's just briefly goback to the POTS diagnosis
process.
POTS is one of the ways thatthey diagnose us.
It's a differential diagnosisthing.
And what a differentialdiagnosis means is we cancel out
all the other things.

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So like we do blood and this istrue with a lot of different
things and autoimmune, manyautoimmune diseases are
differential diagnoses.
There's not that not reallyspecific ways to diagnose them.
Yes.
There's not that many that havea blood test that says, yes,
you're positive.
And even some think about likediabetes, it's not even a, like
a blood test that you're, yes,you have diabetes.

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It's a series of the way you've,your health has been or
whatever.
I don't know anything about IBD.
I don't know that much, but Ijust know that it's not even
there's not that many.
It's not like you get an x ray,you have a broken bone.
Yes, it's broken.
And no, it's not.
It's so a differentialdiagnosis.
It says did we tested forrheumatoid arthritis?
We tested for the things thathave markers in your blood.

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We've tested for other things,structural things, lots of
stuff.
So differential diagnosis justbasically cancels certain things
out and then it leaves whateveryou're left with.
So because it's not all theseother things, we think it's
probably POTS.
However, POTS is one of thethings that has a specific test,
this autonomic test, that canAssist in the diagnosis.

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What was my question?
What's next?
Is it, did we answer thatquestion?
Yeah.
So you're just, you're talkingto your neurologist and then
your neurologist will help.
I'll have to go back tocardiology too, because they
basically said that you're offto the autonomic place now.
You don't really need to followup with us, but obviously that's
not going to happen.

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Do you autonomic doctor?
No, I don't.
So I have to contact cardiology,go back and see them too.
Probably should go see myprimary, but I haven't got that
far yet because it's just, yeah,it's all a lot.
Like it's hard because we'resupposed to stay on top of our
health and call our doctors andgo to our appointments and

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whatever else.
But it's so hard when you have.
multiple providers to follow upwith after one thing.
Like I was not expecting to haveto follow up after this
appointment.
I was expecting to just get aconfirmation autonomic people,
but that wasn't the route thatit ended up going.
So now I have to figure out whatelse I can do.

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And there is like one othercondition that I've found that
is really has really similarsymptoms to POTS.
Huh.
But, it's something I think wewould have caught with all of
the labs I've already had done,but It's obviously something to
consider, to ask about at least.
And if it's not something thatthey're looking for, sometimes
those get missed because it isnot something that they're

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looking for until we're like,okay what else could it be?
Oh, I guess we could havechecked this however long ago,
but okay.
So what does that mean?
This is, I think this is wherewe'll start to try to leave this
and not go for ever too muchlonger.
But is, what does that mean forour Quiett Mom Pots Talk?

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Yeah, that's the hard part is Idon't want to leave POTS in the
name, but I want it to still besomething meaningful about
chronic illness.
And having a chronic illness momtalk just sounds weird.

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It's not as bad as Quiett momPOTS talk.
No, it's not, which is sad, butI don't know.
Let's leave it for now.
Cause I feel like for now, ifthere are two reasons, one,
because I've shared with a lotof my friends and my network
that I have this Quiett mom POTStalk.
And for the longest time Iwasn't, and I'm still not very
good at knowing how to share thelink to the podcast.

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So I'm like, just do a searchfor our name.
What if we just do Quiett momtalks?
We could do that.
I think I like Quiett mom talksbecause I, instead of POTS talk,
my Like, names now are Zoe'sTalks, or Zoe's Talk, one or the
other, maybe both, who knows.

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But I think that would be goodbecause It's still Quiett.
And then if we decide that wedidn't want to talk about POTS
or chronic illness, we can talkabout whatever.
We can talk about anything.
It gives us more freedom to justbe whatever we want.
So I think for now we'll leavethe POTS in there just for a
little bit.
Yeah.
And then we'll start to phase itout.
We'll start in the new year.

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That works.
That works.
I was on a the other day andsome of my friends were like,
who've never met me beforebecause it was a brand.
I was my first time in thisgroup.
They're like, Robyn, are youlike a radio DJ?
Because it was a zoom.
So I had my headset, myearphones on, and I'm sitting

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here in our room.
With this big boom microphone.
And they're like, you look allprofessional, Robyn.
What do you do for a living?
And I'm like, I'm a teacher, butmy daughter and I have this
podcast.
So they asked me what was thename.
And so everybody's we'll followyour podcast.
So that's cool.
It was super sweet.
So those of you who are there,my women in officiating group,
hi guys.
Thanks for your support.
I appreciate you.

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And congratulations.
That's awesome to all of them.
Yeah, they are great.
I work with a lot of women whostop.
Who are I think that's so cool.
Like I, I always thought that itwould be cool to be a ref, but
me, I don't run.
And I think that like for, Ithink that you would be good and
I would have recruited you and Iactually did try to, but then as

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I started in it, I'm like, ifshe gets run over and her head,
like with already having theconcussions that you've there's
a chance that it might be not.
Safe for you to do that.
But if you wanted to and you gotyour doctor's, neurologist and
stuff, approval, I would be,wear a helmet.
Happy to bring you along.
That's what Joe would tell me.

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Joe would tell me to wear ahelmet.
No, Joe would probably say, youshould do wrestling instead.
It's safer.
Although you can still getkicked in the head.
That's happened to me.
Oh, I would totally get kickedin the head.
My luck.
So anyways, my safest bet wouldprobably be baseball and even
then I'd get hit in the headwith the ball.
Ball.
baseball.
Yeah.
Volleyball maybe.

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Oh God, no.
Let me think of the other sportsvolleyball.
Track does track have refereesdoes have officials, but our
high schools don't use them.
But one of the guys that I workwith is he came from California
and he was like an officialstarter for track.
And he you have to have certaintests.

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What about tennis?
Tennis probably does have someofficials.
I feel like tennis is too muchlike of a preppy sport to not
have real officials.
Okay.
I coached tennis.
That's very true.
I never saw it.
We never had officials, butmaybe at tournaments they do and
maybe at the college level theydo or something.

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I don't know.
But but it's, it is a lot of funand it's a really great, it's a
great, but maybe honestly a flagfootball.
You should come out and watchthe girls flag this season.
It's the only thing that, butit's so cold, it is really cold
this year.
That is not the only like girlsflag right now is in the winter.

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It's a winter sport, but there'sflag football year round at all
of the levels.
So if you decide that you wantto do that, maybe you can.
And anybody out listening to us,if you are interested in being
an official, most areas arelooking for officials in All
sports because it's really hardto get officials to commit.
It's really hard to get parentsto commit to be coaches and

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volunteer to help.
So it's even harder sometimes toget officials, but officials,
it's not a bad gig.
Like I just bought my husbandconcert tickets with And I spent
a lot more money than I normallywould have, but I had money
saved up from my roughing my, Icall it my, it's my hobby that
makes me money.
It's fun.
All right.
Okay.
That just turned into a littlerecruitment of officials.

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So if you're interested, reachout.
If you have an opinion on ourname, Quiett Mom Pots Talks,
Quiett Mom Talks, or anysuggestion you might have, let
us know.
We'll take a look at it.
Either leave a comment, share usthe video, send a message on
Instagram.
Yeah, all the things.
We will.

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Send me a message on Instagramor on TikTok or wherever you're
at.
Zoe's new TikTok.
My TikTok is It used to be PottsTalk.
It's Zoe's Talk.
The username is zoes.

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talk.
We should try to I'll try to,we'll try to put a link in our
thing.
Yeah.
And I will, we should probablystart, oh we do have an
Instagram page.
So we'll put it on, we'll put itin our bio for Instagram and
we'll also put it on this.
It is in our bio on Instagram.
Okay, so it's in our bio.
And I will, we will post, I needto figure out how to post a link

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in Instagram from our Quiett MomPots Talk Instagram to the
episodes when we releaseepisodes, but I don't know how
to do that.
Anyways, so tonight we havetried to be a little bit less
focused.
No.
Less we're trying to like recordlive and not have to edit so

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much so that we can get ourcontent out faster So today was
our first trial to do that We'llprobably still edit a little bit
but for the most part we'regonna try to just post it and I
think that it's I Think it's alittle bit more organic It also
helps us to it saves us timebecause it takes a lot of time
editing definitely like thisBetter than side by side.

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Yeah I think I do too.
Yeah.
Let us know what you think,whether you like us looking at
each other, not that they at cansee us, but if this, some
people, if this up episode, whenI post it on, when I post it on
YouTube, it posts the video.
Oh, nice.
Okay.
So I can post it straight fromour recording where we record
it.
Yeah, I can post that onYouTube.
But on Buzz Sprout, who was,what hosts our podcast for all

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of the things.
Anyways.
If you can hear a difference inhow we're talking, or if you
like it better with us thisepisode than any of the previous
episodes, just let us know.
Give us some feedback.
We are We're brand new at this.
We're brand new, we haven'ttaken any classes.
So we or advice or anything.
We bought a bunch of equipment.

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and struggle with it.
Listen to a podcast to teach ushow to do a podcast.
And then I still don't know whatI'm doing.
We don't know what we're doing.
So if you have any feedback, wewill take the feedback.
And I did turn on the web mailor the fan mail in buzzsprout.
Oh my god, we can get fan mail.
I don't know that I don'texactly know what that means.

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But if you're watching it fromcertain areas, So if you go to
our page in Buzzsprout, ratherthan if you're listening to
this, like through Apple podcastor cast mobile or pod, whatever
the other Spotify, those things,it might not take you directly
to that page.
But if you can get to, I don'teven know how to do fan mail,
but try it.

(33:23):
If we get it.
If we don't.
So and otherwise send us anInstagram message or comment on
our Instagram posts.
So Share, comment, download.
I keep, I get notifications likeyou have.
X amount of downloads.
I think I got, what was thelast, I think the last one I
got, you have 50 downloads.
So I was like, think, I think wehave 50 in five episodes or

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something like that.
So that sounds like a lot.
It doesn't sound like a lot tosome people that get like 50
million on one podcast, butthat's fine.
We're just, we're still new.
We don't quite have a road showthat we're going to come and do
a live show for you yet, butwe'll work on it.
But anyways, so if you do likeus again, for sure, it'd be so
cool.
Like we'd be so entertaining,but whatever.

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I think that we'd make a goodshow.
I think so too.
So we could bring candy, throwcandy out to people.
Those are like podcast goals forus.
Yes.
We want to be a podcast goalsthat goes on the road.
So share the word with all ofyour friends, all of your mother
and daughter duos and your bestfriends.
Because honestly, my mom isbasically my best friend.
I have other than you.

(34:31):
You probably have more friendsthan you think.
No, I legitimately have onefriend.
I have coworkers, and then Ihave my boyfriend, and my
brother, and then I have onefriend.
And you.
But it's great.
I kinda like it.
That's nice.
Everybody, yeah.
Small circles are not bad aslong as it's not the size of

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your circle.
It is the quality of character.
Quality over quantity.
Yes.
Okay.
So if you like download share,do all the things to help our
algorithms.
We appreciate that.
We will see you back here nextweek after Zoe sees her doctor
and we'll report back on whatthe doctor said.
And we'll go from there.
If you are interested, if youhave any questions about

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autonomic disease orDysautonomia.
POTS or dysautonomia in any way,shape, or form, feel free to
somehow reach out to us.
If there's something that youwant us to cover, we can start
looking at that.
We can start looking in thefuture into the new year of
things that we can guide ourpodcast in a way that will work
for everybody.
And if anyone has any smallerquestions or Things that they

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want covered.
Feel free to send me a messageon TikTok and I can make a video
about it.
Give you some more feedback.
I'm happy to answer all thequestions.
I did all of the research andobviously now it might not be
necessary for me, but I can helpyou out.
We are, you're still here tohelp people.
Yeah.
Just because you might not havethe same diagnosis, you can

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still have the purpose to help.
It's about the intention.
So I'm wearing my, it's okay tonot be okay.
Yeah.
And I'm wearing a greensweatshirt.
That's one thing that we talkabout a lot is that sometimes
you're just not okay.
And I know that Zoe went througha little bit of a phase after
her test that maybe she was notokay for a little bit, but we
all have those days.
We all have those moments.
We're here for you.

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Thank you for sharing yourevening with us.
We will talk to you soon.
Have a really good night.
Yes.
Bye guys.
Bye.