Church Scams & Gay Catholics_

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
M h.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
First of all, I know you're a big sports fanatic. Also,
you're also a guy that keeps up on the news,
and there's there's big news out there in the sporting world.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
The big news is Oscar Pistoria.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yeah, huge news.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
And uh I don't like him, don't care for him,
never did.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Really, you don't like Oscar Pistorias even before he what
are you doing?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Had something of my tooth?

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Okay, okay, I've done.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
You're saying, I mean a lot of people don't like
him now that held.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
But also really.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, but but yeah, I don't have problems with the.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Murder, right, But.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
What I never liked I never liked.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Him racing with them things that look like something Wiley
Coyote would order.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
And uh, well they weren't a problem with him racing
with his lads, his blades. He was the blade runner,
yess on blade.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
I did have a big problem with it because we
put it this way. Let's imagine you're a runner, you know,
with legs. Yeah, and then you go home, you go, oh,
I lost, honey, who'd you lose to guy with no legs?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
What you're saying that you didn't like the oscript Historias
raced against people with legs.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I feel that one of the basic requirements of being
a sprinter is having legs. I feel that they should say, Okay, listen,
let's tell you. Here's the Hey, what about you. I
don't think you could be on the team.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Well you you you're not a biped. You have no legs,
so scram Okay, you take your time as long as
you want, but get the hell out of here.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
No one's going with you on this.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Nobody is with you on this except the fella at home.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
That's like, that's that's the son of a bitch. I
lost my race. Dude that got no legs?

Speaker 6 (02:18):
Are you saying an unfair advantage because he had these swell.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Of course he had the rocket ships.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
They're not rocket ships.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Oh yeah, he help me out here.

Speaker 7 (02:27):
No, he's still had it's still him running.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Oh yes, Well, guys, I agree with you that Oscar
Pastorius is a scholar and a general.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
He's a murderer leged.

Speaker 6 (02:44):
Hello, Hello, welcome to readout. Everyone got a smaller group
so far. Hopefully people will come along. John Christian welcome.
How are you guys doing tonight? Christian I know you
got to beer early.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Here, uh huh, I'm drinking a Michelo bultrum. I'm trying
to watch my figure, low calorie.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
There, we came, what you got, I have. I've had
a really bad sore throat since that four and a
half hour stream I did the other day, so I
had this body armor to try and keep my voice
going for long enough, that's the plan. Well, yeah, that too.

Speaker 6 (03:27):
Do you think that that was going to go that long?

Speaker 4 (03:29):
That was well, I didn't know what was going to happen. So,
for those of you who aren't initiated, I had an
eight fala from VFT and Trench Grenade on in the
same stream. It took Trench an hour and a half
to get on, and then this was a yelling match
in the middle and people were very entertained. So I
was up past midnight yelling at people. So that was fun.

(03:49):
And yeah, I still haven't recovered from that.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
It's just a long time to be on especially well yeah, alrighty, Well,
tonight's stream is gonna be a variety stream. We've got
a number of different topics to cover. It's a few
things that we've just been collecting articles and clips and
the like, so we will be going through those and

(04:13):
responding in kind. Let's see, John, we we have the
Kofi set up. Do you want to well, I can.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Just run it. So essentially, Kofi is just a way
for people to support while skipping the YouTube tax. So
YouTube takes between thirty and fifty percent, Kofi takes five.
So if you want a question answered and you must
have it answered, or you just want to show general support,
that's the way to do it. Never required, always enjoyed.
But yeah, that's that's about to speel on Kofi.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Excellent.

Speaker 6 (04:48):
So what what's this sub Arctic psycho?

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Sumbartic psycho. He's one of the he's one of the boys.
He hangs out in all the chats. He changes his
face depending on his mood, so you'll see like a
happy face at the start, and then if somebody starts
saying something he doesn't like, it'll be the angry face.
So you know, it's always changing, man, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
I just I just noticed the pistol on the track.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Yeah, I put that out there because it's retarded. It
has this I can't touch it, but it has a
really long comp on the end of it.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
Right now, Yeah, alright, well, should we start with the
with the gay parade or where do you all want
to jump?

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Where did you put that article?

Speaker 8 (05:32):
For me?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Christian? Is it in the signal?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
So it's the earlier one, not the later one. The
later one is to kind of reveal some hypocrisy.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Okay, I don't even have I don't even have my
phone on me, so I actually can't pull it up.
Would it be possible for the private Yeah, that would
be great for me. Other than that, I mean, we
have that that megachurch pastor who I wasn't really even
familiar with, but he was in the news for getting
arrested for all sorts of wacky shenanigans, and I pulled

(06:04):
up like six or seven of his old clips, which
will be very entertaining, very entertaining, not to mention, I mean,
we have we have a un ad. I don't know
if you meant to put that un ad in this video, James,
or you want to break the ice with the you
want to start with this one at the beginning of
the stream, You want to start with this one? Okay?

(06:25):
All right? Well, so I mean this this one, I
mean I've seen this on my podcast and it is
exactly as you think it is. So the title is
preventing Rape by Soldiers, and it's it is. This is
the official United Nations account. They posted this fourteen years

(06:45):
ago in a series of propaganda videos, I suppose, with
the intention of reducing like sexual assault, rape, obviously, spousal abuse,
all sorts of things. So there are ten of these,
twelve of these videos of just absolutely wacky things happening.

(07:08):
So I guess we could let this play out. And
it starts off with a bang.

Speaker 9 (07:13):
Why do you want to join the army son to rape, sir?

Speaker 10 (07:17):
Why do you want to join the army son.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
To murder and pillage and of course rape, sir?

Speaker 10 (07:24):
And why do you want to join the army son.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
To keep the peace, protect all women and children?

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Sir? Arrest these criminals.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
Soldier.

Speaker 11 (07:40):
A uniform does not give you a license to rape.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
I like how they made the one guy who's like
ostensibly the good person, right, he's like, they make him
really unconfident. His helmet's falling down. The other guys are
just laughing at him, like who is this meant for?

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:58):
I also find it ironic coming from the un right.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
It's so bizarre on so many levels, but the audience
completely escapes me.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Well, they handed a propagandist I forget the name of
the journalist a lot of money to make this series
of cartoons, and yes, they are all this level of quality,
and they probably paid him like a million dollars to
produce these. He did it in fifteen minutes and then
pocketed the rest of the money.

Speaker 6 (08:31):
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of the HR videos
that you'll watch in Corporate America when they'll set up
these scenarios. And you know, when I first was taken
one of the classes, I thought, Wow, maybe this will
be they'll present some sort of nuanced situations and talk
through like how to handle different like workplace relationships or drama,
and maybe we'll actually think through some things. And so

(08:55):
they start presenting the scenario where it's talking about so
and so and so and so, and they are kind
of flirting with each other, but they're not entirely sure
where they're going, and they go out to dinner and
one of them basically rejects the other person who's her boss,
and then he ends up just completely demoting her or

(09:19):
kicking her out or using it against her, and it's
like all the nuance just falls away. There's no actual
you know, there's no learning involved. Like you start with
something that seems like, okay, where's this going. Maybe there's
gonna be something interesting, maybe we can start to actually
get into the weeds of what's actually allowed in terms
of the policies. But then they just remove all nuanced

(09:39):
and there's there's no helpful information at all. And so
like this video that yes, everyone knows rape is bad,
no one is arguing that rape is okay, So who's this.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Help People have pointed out that this is on the
same level of those Australian ads where they make music
videos about not huffing asoline for the Aboriginal, like you
actually have to be like I mean, unless rape is
just part of your culture, like this this is just
a so yeah. I mean, you know, maybe with the

(10:15):
changing new cultures, you know, maybe this is actually like
a needed p s A. I mean, that'll probably come
up a little bit later. So maybe maybe they were
just ahead of the time, they were predicting the downfall,
and like like idiocracy where they have to have all
the warning labels on everything and everything spelled out for
you know, people of lower intelligence. I think that's the

(10:36):
polite term.

Speaker 6 (10:38):
It's like the prop it what is the California.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
It's posted everywhere.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
And so you just start ignoring. But yeah, like any
actual warning.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Well right, because that the values what the words actually mean,
Because it's like if if it was rare and use
for instances where it's like more dangerous than you would
take a cancer warning more, you know, literally, right, But
in this case, it's just like that says that on everything,
just pay it in no mind, it's nothing.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
So should we get a tattoo on every man warning
he may rape?

Speaker 4 (11:16):
You know, some people would actually probably like a warner, Well,
what's that? What what do feminists say? It's like not
all men, but it's always a man or something like that.
You know. I have other slogans that are like that
as well, but for some reason they're not politically correct.
All right.

Speaker 6 (11:36):
Rather than struggling this entire stream, I'm gonna go ahead
and refill the gas on my cigar.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
All right. Well, uh, Christian, I suppose we should get
some we should get some context for this, so we
have here this. I heard about this the other day.
I think some ortho bro was posting this online about
the LGBTQU Catholics to mark Jubilee Year in Rome September
fifth through sixth with Mass and pilgrimage. Now, as somebody

(12:04):
who is not Catholic is not raised Catholic, what does
this actually mean.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
So on the Jubilee calendar, they have certain groups that
will go and do pilgrimages to the Vatican and they'll
pretty much just gather around Saint Peter's Square and just
like prey and whatnot and hold little events. And so
this event was on the Vatican calendar. I believe it
was also on the calendar for twenty twenty four as well.

(12:32):
But essentially, yeah, we can read the article. It's a
thousand alphabet Catholics and their families are going to the
Vatican Square in order to attend this event.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
Isn't that just that statement on its own. Well, it's
like LGBTQ Catholics and their families. So I mean, this
could be same sex couples who have adopted somebody else's
child or had surrogate children. There's weird, weird, weird stuff
without the Catholic element, right, this would be this would
be weird at most churches, but especially for the Catholic church.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
And if you look at the header of this website,
it's a very biased website.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
So well, yeah, it's outreach and lb LGBTQ a Catholic Ministry. Hey,
they missed out the plus I a PM or whatever.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yes, so apparently the Vatican has come out and said
they're not directly supporting this. But there's a secondary article
that I also sent, which we can get into in
a minute. But yeah, this and there's apparently there's gonna
be like a rainbow cross as well that they're going
to be prancing around with.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
So yeah, yeah, oh here, let me get let me
get James back on here. So let's see, mister Pravetti said.
Organizers expect pilgrims from about thirty countries who will gather
for a multi lingual prayer vigil on September fifth near
the church and of the guests ut in Rome, the
mother church of the Society of Jesus. The next day,
pilgrims will congregate inside the church for Mass, which is

(13:54):
being celebrated by Bishop Francesco Sabino, the vice president of
the Italian Bishop's Conference. So whether or not they try
and distance themselves from it, like there's a bishop presiding
over a gay mass. So well, and it's well, it's

(14:17):
it's a it's a massive gay people. Yeah, Catholic said,
it's not just a congealed mass of different people.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
It's towards the gates. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Yes, Now I don't know what this group is Latindia.
You need a outreach?

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Is that.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
Italian? So an Italian gay Catholic group, That's what I'm gathering.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
To be fair, how do you tell if an Italian
is gay or not?

Speaker 4 (14:47):
So yes, some would say they have a feminine hand gesture.
Some would say Jubilee Year's or Holy Year tradition will
take place every twenty five years. Oh, I didn't know
that interesting. So yeah. The LGBTQ Pilgrimage is listed on
the General Calendar of the Vatican's official Jubilee website, following

(15:11):
controversy last year when it was temporarily deleted from the website.
So is it still we see if I can pull
this up.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
I'm pretty sure it's still there. It's funny to do.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
It was April May, uh for the one coming up? Yeah,
they said September. What up?

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It's funny that there this is still on the docket
yet with current events it's just like, I don't know,
it just kind of adds insult to injury.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
At audience. Which one is it? Tendad do you need it?
That's the one. Yep, yeah, it is on. It is
on the calendar. Now you wanted to talk about the
second article, which I had pulled up as well, Oh, yes,

(16:02):
here it is here, it is, I got it. Okay.
Vatican drops SSPX pilgrimage from their official Jubilee twenty twenty
five calendar. Now, if you're not a Catholic SSXP set
of a contest.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Right, No, this is the Society of Saint Paul the Tenth,
which they still see about the papacy as valid. They
just reject Vatican two. Okay, there's there's a lot of
Catholic organizations, man, they kind of okay.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
XP so okay, so not an empty chair, but they
deny Vatican two, which is signed off by the Pope
as an ecumenical council.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
They strict they strictly adhere, I believe to the TLM
as their form of worship.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
So okay, m fair enough. So the Vatican appears to
have quietly removed all mention of the Society of Saint
Pious the tenth from the official Jubilee twenty two twenty
five website calendar, despite earlier listings. On August fourteen, twenty
twenty five, the Catholic Herald was the first report that
the Vatican's Jululee twenty twenty five calendar included the Priestly

(17:10):
Fraternity of Saint Pis To tenth SSPX pilgrimage is scheduled
for the twenty first of August, which comprised a public
rosary at the Cola Opium, a solemn high Mass, and
a procession through the Holy Door of the Lateran Basilica.
It was estimated that around eight thousand pilgrims took part
in the procession. However, that mention has now disappeared from

(17:30):
the official Louis Liam twenty twenty five calendar. And I'm
sorry if I'm butchering your Italian words, sorry your Latin word. Sorry.
While all other pilgrimage is past, present and future remain listed,
the SSPX pilgrimage is conspicuously absent.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
Well, there's the traditional one and the next.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
The very next line is Bishop Reno Fichela Prefect of
the Tacastri for the Evangelization and delegate for the Jubilee
had previously stated publicly the Jubilee belongs to the people.
It is for all, which is funny considering they do
have the gay Mass coming up in less than a week,
but they removed the SSPX. It's like, I wonder if

(18:16):
that is that is punitive though, for because technically speaking,
the gay one would affirm Vatican two and the SSPX
would not affirm Vatican two. So it's like, if you're
not in line with Catholic dogma as far as it's
updated currently, then you can't come. You can be gay, yeah,
but can't can't disagree with Vatican two.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
No, even even as a devout, practicing Catholic, I have
no issues pointing out these obvious portrayals of hipocrisy. I
actually think it's my duty as a hardcore Catholic to
point out these hypocrisies. So but yeah, it's just kind
of it's it's just very unnerving and kind of pisses

(18:58):
me off, to be quite honest.

Speaker 6 (19:00):
And what is the date of the.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
They're very it's like two weeks apart. The game ass
is coming up on the fifth and sixth of September.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
The August twenty first was supposed to be the SSPX.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, so they're just a few weeks apart, Like it's yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:15):
I'm curious just to track that, see if it actually happened,
see if any blowback comes about.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
And I even talk to a lot of my fellow
parishioners at my parish and this, this pisses them off
to this isn't just a met thing like this, right,
This makes a lot of Catholics pissed off.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Well, so that is interesting. Yeah, the society similarly took
part in the Gradibili of two thousand and twenty sixteen,
because there's something in Catholicism about not necessarily full communion
but intermittent communion with rons. Yes, right, so there's like
different there's like different levels to it, if that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
And some of these these rad trad societies fall under
that as well. There's there's probably like close to a
dozen of them that all have their own little nuances
which I would like to go into that one day.
I think that'd be quite fun.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
But yeah, Catholic denominations, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I mean in a sense, yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
Oh well, yeah, but it's different though, I wouldn't call them denominations.
I can't call different Protestants dominations or denominations. They just
have arguments over the Catholic face, right, all right, Well,
how about this atheist clip or which one's first is
the Are they both the same? Did you repeat the
same clip twice? Or is it too?

Speaker 6 (20:28):
I think so? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (20:30):
This should be okay because one in the second one.
I don't know if they're different. Okay, well, this one's
the first one up. So let's I haven't seen this clip,
So is this something I need to be prepared.

Speaker 6 (20:39):
For or no, you'll you'll know exactly why I selected it.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Okay, perfect? Yes, my bad.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Have you always been an atheist?

Speaker 8 (20:49):
How long?

Speaker 10 (20:50):
And what was your journey to get to atheism?

Speaker 6 (20:54):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (20:54):
So I have not always been an atheist myself.

Speaker 12 (20:58):
I have been an atheist for almost nine years now.
I was actually an evangelical pastor and a Master's commission director,
so I was completely completely enthralled in that whole world.
And about ten years ago was when I started questioning.

(21:20):
And while I was still a pastor for about the
last year, I started to notice the flaws and the doctrine.
I started to notice the immorality, and I.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Just couldn't subscribe to it anymore. Now is this part one?
Does it get worse in the second part?

Speaker 11 (21:40):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Maybe I did put the same vida twice. It's just
that one there's no there's no video.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Okay, I don't know. It must have been the same
when you think, I think I had that thinking there twice.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
I just saw a woman and didn't really pay attention.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Sorry, as I said to the Chad, just tune it out.
It's just out. Yeah, as soon as she said, oh,
I was a pastor for ten years. It's like, I
feel like there is these people. They have a emotional
reaction to preaching or an exposure, and they have that feeling.
I think Mormons call it a burning in their bosom, right,

(22:10):
which could be indistinguishable from indigestion, or maybe you had
a really good meal, or maybe you're just really happy
or something like that, or you just got off of painkillers,
whatever it might be. But you have this sort of
pseudo spiritual experience, and so you're deeply invested in that.
And women are some men as well, but women are
very susceptible to these sort of like experiences like you'll

(22:31):
you'll you'll I don't know if you guys have seen
like the spiritual girls where it's it's it's generic faith
and like a spirit or like, what's the other one,
the extrallid no astrology, right, it's astrology, Yeah, astrology your
crystals or all this other like really wacky like pseudo spiritual,

(22:53):
pseudoscientific type stuff. They get really drawn in by it,
but as soon as that feeling fades, they're gone right, right,
And so there's no real foundation there that isn't based
off of some feeling. And I imagine that in these
churches where they allow things like female pastors and such,
you are undoubtedly going to be finding other flaws in

(23:16):
the system just by nature of joining into a flawed
system like that, and whatever sort of immoral abuses are
going on in that church. Like I feel, I feel
like another reason why you may not want female ecclesiology
in general is just that it complicates things from a
like moral standpoint, right, because you have men and women
in the same roles in the same space. I think

(23:38):
that that co ed type of thing just always makes
for a more complicated situation, whether it's military, whether it's
church ecclesiology, whatever, it might be whether it's police force. Right,
We've seen a lot of that popping up, where judges
and cops are using their patrol cars and stations as
harems or whatnot, and it's just it's it gives more
room for abuse.

Speaker 6 (24:01):
My favorite part of video is when she first says
that she's a was a woman pastor, but then follows
it up by saying, so, I was completely entrenched in
that culture. It's like, yeah, but were you really? Were
you that entrenched? If you were, maybe you'd know that
that's not okay.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Well, and that's the thing is if she gets into
it really fast or whatever the experience is, and then
she's like, oh, Christians, they're just not very nice. They
actually don't like women pastors most most of the time.
But it's really, you know, they're really misogynistic at their core.
It's like, well, I mean, you know.

Speaker 6 (24:36):
I mean, if you are part of a church that
allows women pastors, then most likely your theology is going
to be very strongly influenced by, at the very least
neo orthodox theology, but more likely seriously liberal theology, which

(24:57):
is essentially just postmodernism with a smiley face and a church.
It's not Christianity at all. And so that's my points.
As soon as you hear it's a winning pastor, you
know that whatever she was entrenched and wasn't even Christianity.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
It was some well, right.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
Something like Christianity, something that looked like Christianity. But as
a general rule, you're not really going to see that
in true churches.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
And with that being said, with that being said, yeah,
that's a good point about them being hyperliberal. So she
probably is herself if you watched a lot of her content,
probably super liberal. I'd actually be interested in seeing some
of her other shorts and now to see what else
she gets up to, because she's probably hyper liberal and
probably disagreed with some of the other elders or members

(25:50):
about some of these liberal issues. And that's what kind
of broke her faith, is that she's like, oh, well,
these people don't actually care about importing, you know, ten
million migrants and giving all their money to way charities,
reparations or whatever it might be, right, whatever social issue
that she gets wrapped up in.

Speaker 13 (26:03):
So I'm actually, have you always been an atheist?

Speaker 6 (26:07):
How long?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
I'm actually gonna snoop for a second. And oh, dear
former Pentecostal. Oh this is good. My name is Ashley
and I'm a former Pentecostal pastor and Master's Commission director,
but I've been an atheist for about nine years. I'm
also a member of the Clergy Project. What the heck
is the Clergy Project? And I will be interviewing other

(26:30):
TCP members on why I left the ministry. Please join
me to talk all things religion and atheism. All right,
the Clergy Project? Is this like former women pastors? Is
this a new thing that I'm not aware? OFT's see,
I was wondering if this was annoying as a Christian
Master's Commission hindsight a cole to angel orbs A p

(26:51):
read the Bible and realized, oh, this is good. Okay,
here we go. What the heck Master's Commission?

Speaker 14 (27:00):
You want to know something that really chaps my cheeks
and like also makes me wonder was I this annoying
when I was a Christian? When you tell people that
you're an atheist and her response sounds a little something
like this, what happened to you?

Speaker 8 (27:19):
Did somebody hurt you?

Speaker 14 (27:21):
Do you not remember what the Bible.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Says about Jesus? Yeah, Joan, that's the issue. All Right,
one of you guys going to church on Sunday. This
lady's up on the stage giving her message in this tone.
Do you stay for the message or do you leave

(27:44):
and get Okay? Sorry, that's the one, right, Okay, there
we go. This one, this one, here's the one that
I actually clicked on. I don't know what happened there,
and so I read the Bible and realized God sucked.
All right, I'll love you hear your explanation of this.

Speaker 14 (28:04):
M oh that he is a rape loving, murderous fuck.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
She goes hard.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Wow wow, seven thousand comments, this thing went there well
actually top comment perfect John fifteen to eighteen. If the
world hates you, remember it hated me first? Well, this
is how most people see atheists. True rape was permishable
by death in the Bible.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Let's see this blasphemy.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Guys, she's talking about Mohammed. Actually that's funny, that's funny. Uh,
do you just want to go Do you mind saying
where in the Bible says that God loves it?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
If you could just didn't even provide a verse or nothing.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Well, actually this is a great comment. Yet he still
died for you. Also, yeah, wow, wow, wow, Okay, well
that was the rabbit hole. Well okay, okay, if you
want to get really hey, you don't know. She could
have to Calvinism. She could be part of the elect
and just be outside for a moment. You never know,

(29:16):
she can wander, she could be a very prodigal sheep.
You don't know that, all right? Okay? The Clergy Project,
What the heck is this the former Yeah? So okay, yes,
this is the Clergy of Project. So are you a
religious professional who no longer believes in any God or gods?

(29:39):
So it's about the Clergy, launched in March twenty eleven
to create safe and secure online community of forms composed
entirely of religious leaders who no longer hold the supernatural beliefs.
So this is yeah, former Clergy, that's what this is interesting. Wow, wow,

(30:00):
all right, James, you with us? Still?

Speaker 6 (30:04):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (30:07):
All right?

Speaker 4 (30:07):
And then I have a no, go ahead, go ahead.
Well we're about thirty minutes into the show. So I
was I was thinking this could be our rabbit hole
into kind of the pop news of the day, which
is this Kingdom, the Kingdom of God church leaders home
raided by FBI. Now I have a I have a yeah,

(30:30):
this is this this base, mister beast, mister based.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
If that were at work on Brocks Channel everywhere.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
I'm gonna I'm gonna make that joke. The Kingdom of
God church leaders home rated by FBI. This happened just
a couple of days ago.

Speaker 10 (30:49):
And punishments of no food or sleep, sorry, labor abuse
and punishments of no food or sleep. That is what's
in the indictment of two religious leaders with ties to
Tampa Bay and what led FBI raids across several states. Today,
investigators are calling it a multi million dollar conspiracy led
by David Taylor. He was arrested in North Carolina, while

(31:12):
Michelle Brannon was arrested at a home in the affluent
Adeline neighborhood of Tampa. Fox thirteen's Jenneviet Curtis joins us
in the newsroom after spending hours combing through the indictment,
outlining the scheme. Jennevie, what did you find.

Speaker 13 (31:25):
Neo Weel Haley. In the twenty three page indictment, it
is pretty clear that David Taylor, who calls himself an apostle,
and his right hand Michelle Brandon, are accused of running
a modern day slavery ring across four states for ten years,
forcing people to work with al pay with severe consequences
if they didn't, all while funding an extravagant lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
It's very surprising to hear that type of thing. What's
going on again right in your backyard? Who would have Well,
not that surprising actually, now that you mentioned and I've
seen this story before.

Speaker 13 (32:01):
Early this morning, neighbors in Tampa's the fluent Ovuloc community
watched stunned as FBI agents descended on this massive mansion.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
All right, wow, look at that place.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
That is That is as a freaking castle.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
Dog.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
Listen, if your ministry calls for you, as an individual
to build their own some what fifty.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
Million dollar mansion, we're just architecture.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Ten million dollars, would it's fantastic, It's it's wonderful. But
you know, this is like the same thing as that
other guy like saying, hey, guys, I need private jets
for my ministry. Okay, the apostles don't fly coach. Okay.

Speaker 13 (32:47):
It's one of the homes where authorities, say David Taylor
and Michelle Brannon Rander.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Okay, this is this is just a note. Sometimes people
that are ultra rich, dressed like they're homeless, like not
even classy.

Speaker 11 (33:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
They have the house, they have the cars, but they
choose to dress themselves like they're homeless. No class.

Speaker 13 (33:15):
Multi state operation a forced labor and money laundering scheme
under the guise of the Kingdom of God Global Church.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
Some of you say, I don't have one hundred thousand,
but you have twenty thousand, you have fifty thousand.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
Here, you have ten thousand.

Speaker 13 (33:30):
The FBI rated the church's headquarters in Michigan and a
church owned building in Houston, where seventeen people were removed,
some in handcuffs.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
I'm sorry, was that a casino?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
It just looks like a casino looks casinos.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Wait. One Soul had a dude. That's dark when you
think about it. Campus for the Harvest One Soul at
a time. That's actually kind of dark. What do you
think was actually going on in there?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
How old? Is this video?

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Just a currier?

Speaker 15 (33:56):
No?

Speaker 4 (33:56):
No, this just came out. This guy got arrested three
days ago.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Oh yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yes, yes, so this is this is breaking news.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
House that dude underwear.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Well, we're gonna find out what was happening to the
work of this mintry. So you know how Mormons, Okay,
I gotta give credit, Okay, all right, we were a
little too hard on Mormons last week. They they they
ask for, you know, charitable work be done for the church,
but they don't starve you or take your clothes or
force you to take contraception for other purposes, which we'll

(34:30):
talk about later in this video. So I mean Mormons
compared to these guys Angelic okay, and Mormonism they you know,
one hundred billion dollars in cash or whatever, but they
are giving away now like a billion dollars a year
after getting called out for and being investigated. So you know,
I'm just saying, okay, Mormon's infinitely better than whatever the
heck is going on here.

Speaker 13 (34:51):
Man who works next door says he noticed unusual activity
like people who appear trapped.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I think it's definitely some cold life activity because they
said that there was like groups of families in there
and not just like individuals.

Speaker 13 (35:04):
Federal authorities say victims were trapped. They say Taylor and
Brandon used unpaid workers at their nine call centers, setting
unrealistic quotas for donations, and when they failed, workers were
subjected to humiliation, fleet deprivation, force repentance, food restrictions, and
physical assaults. The endictment includes text messages from Taylor referring

(35:26):
to the Tampa.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Group of my computer might be dying. It's taken me
forever to stop the videos. But yeah, so nine call centers.
He operated nine call centers with unpaid labor to cold
call for donations to the Global or Church of Christ
I think, or the Kingdom of God is the name
of this organization, right, and those donations did not get

(35:51):
used for charitable purposes.

Speaker 6 (35:53):
I'm sure it does seem like at a call center,
those are people that are acting as ambassadors of your
miss seems like you would want them to be somewhat
happy with your mission. I don't know how you get
that kind of I.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Don't know.

Speaker 8 (36:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (36:08):
If I was keeping slaves in the basement, I would
want to give them phones and say, here, go call
people and ask for the nations for me.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Well, I mean, here's here's the here's the texo. Taylor
text at the group, including V two uh, you y'all
are not going to bed tonight until you raise this
thirty three K let's go, and then the next one, Uh,
don't blank. If you don't work, you can't eat to

(36:37):
his unpaid slave labor.

Speaker 13 (36:41):
But workers not being allowed to sleep or eat until
quotas were met. It also says the church claimed donations
would go to build water wells in poor communities or
support victims of human trafficking. Donors could not have known
those forced to make those calls were themselves victims.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
We really had every aspect of human trafficking.

Speaker 6 (37:03):
You had individuals who were, you know, brought to a
facility that they couldn't leave.

Speaker 10 (37:09):
They weren't being paid, they had production goals that they
had to meet.

Speaker 13 (37:13):
Instead, authority say, the money funded tailor's.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Oh there's bows on top of all of his one
of those Mercedes, the tables. Yeah, well, you.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
Know, trivagant lifefted those and he hasn't had a chance
to drive him yet. So he gets so many new cars.
He lets three new cars build up before he has
a chance to remove the bow from any of the
Take it for a spin.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
That gets insane, Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 13 (37:45):
Lifestyle including multiple mansions with pools and even a basketball court.
They say the church received about fifty million dollars in
donations since twenty fourteen, all while the pair controls nearly
every aspect of the workers lives, cutting them off from
their family.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Okay, I want to bookmark this real fast, Joshua Media
Ministries because I want to. Actually, I'm gonna look that up.
See if that's the YouTube channel.

Speaker 13 (38:15):
And forcing them to take contraceptives.

Speaker 16 (38:17):
In paragraph eleven a very cryptic reference.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Sorry, I got to back up so you guys can
see the full text there.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Just turning into the Church of Duty.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Well, yeah, you're not far off.

Speaker 13 (38:28):
You know, that's the real questioning them off from their
family and forcing them to take contraceptives.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
All right, So Taylor demanded that his quote unquote armor
bearers provide food for him, transport him, maintain his houses
and cars, transport women from ministry houses. Interesting, interesting use
of the phrase there airports and other locations to Taylor's location,

(38:58):
and ensure the women transported to Taylor took Plan B
emergency contraceptives. So he is why would they need that?
He was preemptively stuffing them full of Plan B before
stuffing them full of other things.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
I suppose.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Yike's dog. Well, yeah, there's many verses about uh riches
turning to dust and other things.

Speaker 16 (39:31):
And you know, paragraph eleven a very cryptic reference to
women being required to use emergency contraceptives, And that's an
indication to me that this indictment may not be complete.

Speaker 13 (39:45):
The FBI also alleges victims.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Were force What the hell are those cages?

Speaker 6 (39:50):
Yeah, surely those aren't for people, Yeah, I noul, We
should get the un U.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yeah, we need to make them do not uh, do
not become a cult armor bearer and transport women from
ministry houses to your cult leader.

Speaker 13 (40:16):
Force to apply for federal assistance and food stamps by
claiming to be homeless, and then turn that money over
to Taylor and Brandon no food.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Stamps scam as well. So okay, so you keep them
poor right, so that they don't have any income, You
force them to take handouts and EBT, and then you
take that from them as well. That's genius. You know what,
I'm going to stop paying everybody and make them take
food stamps, and then I'm going to make them pay
me their food stamps.

Speaker 6 (40:47):
The Mormons are still actually like doing some investment work,
even though they're avoiding taxes.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
But that's I mean avoiding taxes like I understand that.
I think I think more of the problem that I
have with the Mormon is that they have one hundred
and six billion dollars or whatever the number is this
year just sitting there for monetary games, like they don't
actually do anything, Like for a long time they did

(41:12):
nothing with it, right, Like forty million dollars a year
off of seven billion dollars in interest is nothing. It's nothing.
So they just they were taking a lot of money,
a lot of these charitable donations, and again these people
were giving out of the goodness of their heart. And
I'm sure some of the people that were called a
lot of Grandma's probably got scammed by these nine call
centers being like, oh, I'd love to donate to your

(41:33):
charitable causes. You guys are building wells in Africa, when
what they were actually doing was building indoor pools for
this guy. So they were technically filling holes with water,
but just not in the right location or for the
right purpose.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Actually true, they are supporting black people. You know, there
were multip there were multiple women there. I'm sure somebody
else touched the water at some point. He probably, you
know what's funniest, he probably sold that bottle that water
and sold it as holy well, which we'll get into
his website in just a minute, which is wacky.

Speaker 6 (42:05):
Hope it's not true, but if it is, you know,
he deserves everything he's going to get.

Speaker 7 (42:11):
Now.

Speaker 13 (42:11):
From what we have learned today from federal authorities, it
is still unclear how many victims there could be in
this case and how many people may have been found
in the home in ave La. Any victims of human
trafficking would have been taken to Saint Joseph's, where a
federal command center was set up.

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Today.

Speaker 13 (42:30):
Brannon is said to be back in court in Tampa
tomorrow reporting life in the newsroom. Jenney Curtis, Fox thirteen News, all.

Speaker 10 (42:36):
Right, Genevieve, thank you. According to the federal grand jury indictment,
the money raised by the victims was used to support
Taylor's extravagant lifestyle and to enrich Brannon. The indictment lists
a number of items purchased, including a Mercedes Benz worth
more than sixty three thousand dollars in twenty eighteen, seventy
thousand dollars for a down payment.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Bro is living the redneck dream. He's got boats, he's
got ATVs, he's got jet skis and trailers.

Speaker 10 (43:05):
On a Bentley Continental the same year, more than one
hundred five thousand dollars for a Crown Line boat in
twenty nineteen, more than thirty one thousand dollars for five ATVs,
and nearly fifty thousand dollars for four jet skis and
two trailers in twenty twenty one. The indictment also lists
more than one hundred and twenty three thousand dollars for

(43:26):
bulletproof automotive between May of last year and February of
this year.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
You can find me.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
I wonder if he was in deep with some bad
people on top of all of this, like maybe some
gambling or some illegal stuff, some drug stuff going on
as well. So I wonder if he was in deep
with the wrong people, is why he felt that he
needed the extra protection.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
One would think, yeah, I'm sure he had quite.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
All right. Let's see ten tapabay. Here's a quick one.

Speaker 17 (43:57):
Fifteam has been digging into complaints involved Kingdom of God
Global Church and its leader David Taylor.

Speaker 10 (44:03):
To investigates.

Speaker 18 (44:04):
Jennifer Titus joins us.

Speaker 13 (44:05):
Now, in jen you found that complaints have really been
surfacing for years.

Speaker 18 (44:09):
Yes, so we found multiple complaints on multiple online social
media platforms where former members were accusing the church of
sleep deprivation practices, welfare fraud, and aggressive fundraising efforts. Gospel
singer Vicki yo He, who was once in a relationship
with David Taylor, came out a few years back saying
he manipulated women for sex and if she spoke out,

(44:31):
he would release risque photos.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
She dog, come on, just sent him.

Speaker 6 (44:37):
Now.

Speaker 18 (44:37):
I spoke with a representative for Yoh today and asked
if she had anything to say about today is arrest
of Taylor, and he said, quote, we are thankful that
this has.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Been he said he or she said he sorry? Did
that's a that was a miss speaking right, He didn't actually.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Mean he photos she sent him.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Now.

Speaker 18 (45:01):
I spoke with a representative for yo He Say and
asked if she had anything to say about todays arrest
of Taylor, and he said, quote, we are thankful that
this has been a long time coming. One former church
members spoke.

Speaker 4 (45:13):
Okay, you can say that it's thankful for a long
time coming, but you didn't speak out about it until now, right.
I mean, surely you could have gotten him on something
else a long time ago, like Revenge porn or something else.

Speaker 18 (45:29):
Spoke on record, calling the group a cult that exploited
members devotion. Now I also spoke with Warren Smith, the
president of Ministry Watch, a nonprofit organization that advocates for
transparency and accountability for church ministries. He tells us they
gave the Kingdom of God Global Church an F rating,
which alerts people to be wary of donating because of potential.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Fraudut all right, so, Apostle David E. Taylor's Kingdom of
God Global Church sued for failure to pay for two
million dollars stage set for a set on the stage
two million dollars, And of course he didn't pay. Why
would he?

Speaker 6 (46:07):
I want to see this guy. Do you have some clips?

Speaker 4 (46:09):
I have six clips pulled up from him, and I'm
going to google that YouTube channel because we might just
do this all night.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
Whenever you don't file a Form nine ninety, don't get
an audit in release to the public, and don't join
the ECFA. In our world, that's bad news. And we
gave them an F transparencygree for not meeting any of
those three requirements.

Speaker 18 (46:32):
And Smith says they started looking into the church a
few years years ago when a lawsuit popped up against them,
alleging they had not made payments to a company. That's
when they learned about mansions like the one in Tampa
where the raid took place today being.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Purchased by the church.

Speaker 18 (46:48):
Jennifer Titus ten investigates.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Okay, interesting, so that was in the church's name. Now
here is face to face appearances dot org, which is
his book series, and his con and his DVDs and
stuff like that. So face to face appearances would it
stop sperking out? Could you stop for one second?

Speaker 1 (47:10):
What?

Speaker 4 (47:11):
I can't even read it? All right? Never mind, that's fissing
me off. So face to face appearances from Jesus by
David E. Taylor in this best selling book, many amazing
face to face visitations from Jesus himself are intimately wrong.
Choice of words with this guy detailed by author David E.

(47:32):
Taylor in this beautifully woven, true and continuing love story
about his conversion and life journey with Jesus, You too
can develop a face to face relationship with Jesus, the
Holy Spirit and God the Father. I want to hear
his views on trinity. This book provides you with proven,
practical principles and concepts to seek and a find a

(47:57):
beyond personal spiritual relationship. So yes, this man is claiming
to have sit down, face to face conversations with Jesus Christ.
In some of his other books, he has a pillow
which you can always which is just the worst designed
pillow of all time, face to like, I want to
sleep on this. I would buy this as a joke

(48:19):
because that's funny. So this one here, I will not
leave you comfortless, that's funny. I will come to you
John fourteen eighteen. But yeah, yeah, okay. The School of
the Kingdom of God Collection Inheritance by Lineage, Collection, Dream Interpretation,
Collection Interpreting Dreams. All right, that's gonna be weird. Women

(48:40):
of destiny. That's what he called women in his basement,
let's know. But there's another one, Holy Spirit and dreams
classification and ranks of your dreams. There's ranked dreaming, all right,
the dream decoder. So this is this is like mysticism.
This is like just crystal mysticism astrology basically, but there's

(49:00):
one specifically here. It is my trip to Heaven for children. Heaven. No, no, no,
this this is real. Heaven is a real place and
you can go there. In this book, based off of
David Ease Taylor's popular book My Trip to Heaven, children
will learning that Jesus wants to not only visit them
face to face, which he might have been face to
face with something but it was not Christ, but that

(49:24):
he wants them to take a trip to heaven too.
This is sounding like never Never Land. They will they
will learn how the Lord loves them, how he desires
to spend time with them, and they can have as
close of a relationship with Jesus as they want to.
It's just weird, weird. I want my trip to Heaven.
I want to hear where's this real book? Can I search?

(49:45):
Does this website have a search? Okay, my trip to Heaven? Okay,
let me. I want to hear this guy's book. Okay,
so ah right, here's a quote. Here's a quote. Oh no,
oh no, this is weird. This is all weird sex coded,
I think, because he's obviously a massive pervert and probably

(50:05):
a criminal in that regard. As well as Jesus held
my hand tightly yet gently, he walks me through Heaven.
As we approached God the Father's throne. I was fascinated
by the electric charge in the air. In this sequel
to Face the sequel to the other Theophanes. In this
sequel to face to face appearances with Jesus, you receive
additional tools that build upon the principles of encountering Jesus

(50:30):
face to face in supernatural visions. You will learn how
to maturely discern the purpose of discipline, sonship, intimacy, training
God's word, and friendship. Experiencing Heaven is the next step
after being introduced to the concept of face to face encounters.
So yes, yes, you will be supernaturally have an encounter

(50:54):
or a trip to Heaven. Now his might be drug fueled,
that would be my guess. Yeah, So this is a
sequel to face to face. Yeah. In whatever city or
church David Taylor enters, he is accompanied by the special
privilege of the Lord personally working with him. I wonder

(51:16):
if the same goes for prisons people experiencing these appearances
ranged from his own young children and his multicultural staff
who may or may not be paid or sex slaves,
to the open appearance of the Lord in Washington State
in the sight of three million people at one time

(51:37):
over three regions. I want to see this. I think
we have a clip of this later on. This appearance
lasted for an entire hour and was reported by the
secular media. This type or something similar manifestation happens whenever
the Lord, wherever the Lord sends David, and now he'll
be sent to prison. All right, did you do?

Speaker 8 (51:56):
Well?

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Let's look at some clips before we get to that article.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Real fast speak scamming people in prison with with Jesus
for commissary.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Uh yeah, but look at look at this man.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
If I'm exposing it, that don't mean you. You ain't God.
You ain't me? Who ain't God? You ain't me? Who
ain't God? You ain't me? You don't have the power
to judge people like I do. If I'm exposing it,
that don't mean you you ain't God. You ain't me?
Who ain't God? You ain't me? Who ain't God? You
ain't me? You don't have the power to judge people
like I do.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
All right, all right, fair enough, mister uh and David Taylor.
Let's see all right, so this is this is very interesting.
I believe this is where he claims to be the
real pope. This is quite funny because I'm.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
Not a false prophet. The Lord spoke to me.

Speaker 15 (52:43):
Just now, And just because someone is calling the Pope,
don't really mean they're the Pope.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Is who God gives the.

Speaker 15 (52:49):
Power to heave it to me.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
I'm not a liar. Jesus came to me, so I
started to realize I'm the pope.

Speaker 11 (52:58):
Us.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
I don't even know wrong, I'm the Pontiff.

Speaker 15 (53:04):
I've been chosen by God to hold the highest freak
on them all preachers.

Speaker 19 (53:08):
In the world.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
But I'm voted enough to say.

Speaker 5 (53:11):
That because the Son of God came to me.

Speaker 15 (53:13):
And when I give a word to somebody, they should
obey because I'm not a false prophet.

Speaker 6 (53:17):
The lorst smote Christian.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
What do you think, dude, Maybe this is the real
Pope Now, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Yeah, you know what, You're right. Vatican two it's bunk.
This guy's got it. This guy, you know what. Yeah,
he needed somebody to replace after Vatican two and he
saw this guy.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
I'm pretty sure I saw this guy at my haircut
recently and it was was was he your barber? But
the I mean black lady that was cutting my hair.
She did a great job. But it was some big

(53:58):
black guy on the screen and I asked her, who
is this. I'm pretty sure she said apostle Taylor or
something like that. She definitely the guy used the term apostle. Now,
I don't know, Maybe that's the rampant thing in the
Black Church. And so I don't want to say the
Black Church. That's too generic. But this kind of thing
is rampant.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
In Well, this guy was across America.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
But yeah, I think it may have been it might
have been this guy. But yeah, well I think that's
whoever it was was possos quoting quite a bit of
quite a bit of heresy.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Well, I think anytime somebody calls themselves like a new
living Apostle of Christ, I think that's a a sure
sign that something's going something's going wrong there.

Speaker 6 (54:42):
Oh and I get it why he calls it. He
calls himself an apostle because he's claiming to have had
face to face interactions with God. Right, that's his whole thing,
just like Paul.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Yeah, favorite type of donuts.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Okay, Well, well it's funny because yeah, this guy actually
needs Maybe he should have been next to you in
that barbershop because I think he needs air. Okay, look
at this man.

Speaker 5 (55:04):
I told me to make that clear. God told me
to make that clear.

Speaker 15 (55:18):
And I'm having this I think bad hair day again.
Let me fix this because y'all know I'll shake it everywhere.
My enemies say I got a two pay, but it's
not a two pay. It's my real curly fluffy hair. Yeah,
I'm sorry, pingo. That's why I called you pingo. You

(55:41):
figure out what that means. Pingo.

Speaker 4 (55:43):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (55:44):
I call my enemies a pingo. That's right, Yeah, you
figure that out. There ain't no ain't no two pay.
I've never read World War two pay ever in my life.
I don't want no glue on my hair. Come on,

(56:04):
God told me.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Did I just discover a new slur? Is that what happens?

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Pingo? Can I say pingo? Am I the right skin
tone to say? Pingo? That's right? I called you a pingo.
You figure out what that means.

Speaker 6 (56:18):
Pingolation of an insult? Figure out.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Everywhere.

Speaker 15 (56:28):
My enemies say, I got a two pay, but it's
not a two pay, it's my real curly fluffy hair. Yeah,
I'm sorry, pingo. That's why I called you pingo. You
figure out what that means. Pingo. Uh, I call my
enemies a pingo.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
That's right.

Speaker 15 (56:48):
Yeah, you figure that out there, ain't no ain'to two pay.
I've never read World War two pay ever in my life.
I don't want no glue on my pingo.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
So Pingo is a word. It is a hill formed
by the uphewle of ice underneath the soil in regions
characterized by Perma Frost.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
That one of his oddly specific term.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
So take that for what you will.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
It's it's like a frosty giant, like a big man
who's cold. Pingo, Christian is such a pingo on this show.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Bro, Yeah, damn pingos takes breathing up on my air.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Wait can we say pingos for short? Or is that
could you go? You go hard?

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Or what?

Speaker 20 (57:40):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (57:42):
All right? All right? And Pingo as his name out true?

Speaker 11 (57:47):
But yes, sir, this is Rosetta. She came in tonight
with pain all over her body. She even had surgery
on her vocal courts because there was some blockage. But
she that pain is leaving her body and she believes
tonight God has healed her vocal cords, and she's believing
that she can sing tonight.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
What happened to you?

Speaker 8 (58:04):
I've got a very long story.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
To look that guy's coat.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Man, this pingo thinking Napoleon. Damn, oh dear, oh, that's
quite funny. They're so egotistical and so narcissistic. It's and

(58:39):
it's just a display of opulence.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Let me see this, Joseph Smith.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
I'm gonna try this. Whenever my wife starts a long story,
I just blow on her a little bit. It's like
the water bottle with a cat. It's gonna stop. Faith
healers never walk into children's hospitals, good point, Only with
adults that have been coached ahead of time. Surprising than good.
He's been arrested for human trafficking. Yeah that too, h

(59:12):
Apostle just made that a short story.

Speaker 21 (59:14):
True, don't put it on me. That means you're rejoicing
because you ready.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
To go.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
All jokes aside. This man is like taking advantage of
people's desperation in this crusade against cancer. So these are
people with like real issues, some of them in the
crowd ostensibly, and they're like, this person's been healed. I
need it. I'm gonna die. I need it. I'm gonna die.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I need it.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
I'm gonna die. I'm gonna give whatever I have right
to this man. It is trying to turn their desperation
into hope, and they're paying for it every step of
the way, and they get they get nothing in return.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Sad ready ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
All right, don't worry. There's more also that is objectively
he's wearing a hair piece, I mean his hair his
hairlines receiding. My friend, it don't come back from that.

Speaker 20 (01:00:19):
You paid Limo Land almost fifty thousand dollars total, and
you think that was a good use of the money
that people donated to you in jam of Mine.

Speaker 8 (01:00:29):
Well, I mean the banks certainly have looked at that
on our books. It's good because it has an phraisal
value of almost two hundred k a little over one
hundred and fifty thousand.

Speaker 20 (01:00:40):
But you got this from donations and you decided to
use it to make a Limo.

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
We really invested, really good the bank.

Speaker 20 (01:00:49):
I'm just asking if that's what you did, not the.

Speaker 8 (01:00:51):
Way you're saying it. It's your fortifying forging.

Speaker 20 (01:00:55):
I'm forging, which yeah, just the question is, okay, did
you use them for the purpose so you paid?

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I like how instantly, instantly you take people out of
their bubble where they have security, where they have the
crowd on their side, and they're actually subject to any scrutiny,
and instead of this larger than life character, they are
instantly reduced to a stammering, muttering puddle of mud.

Speaker 20 (01:01:29):
Limo land almost fifty thousand dollars total. And you think
that was a good use of the money that people
donated to you in jam.

Speaker 8 (01:01:37):
Of I well, I mean the banks certainly have looked
at that on our books as good because it has
an praisal value of almost two hundred K a little
over one hundred and fifty thousand.

Speaker 20 (01:01:50):
But you got this from donations and you decided to
use it to make a limo.

Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
We really invested really good the bank.

Speaker 20 (01:01:58):
I'm just asking if that's what you did, not the.

Speaker 8 (01:02:01):
Way you're saying it's you're fortifying, forging.

Speaker 20 (01:02:04):
I'm forging. Just the question is, okay, did you use
the money for the purpose?

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
With your mouth?

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
With your mouth? Okay, here's another good one. Now this
is this is a face to face event with David E. Taylor.
All right, so this is a real supernatural appearance of
Jesus face to face to mister Taylor. Got on camera.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
Where is Lance? Pull him up on the screen.

Speaker 22 (01:02:40):
Guys, pull a lance up on the screen.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Where is a lance pull?

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Wait? What? What has a real face to face a
con Maybe maybe I, mister just remember this one. Uh
Jesseph chacking his head? Maybe maybe I maybe that was
the wrong club. Maybe I got trolled there, My bad?
All right, let me see here. Oh, here we go.
So this is the article on the whole thing. So

(01:03:11):
the brief. A hotel owner owned by Joshua Media Ministries
International JMMI, a ministry organization, was rated by FBI agents
and other local law enforcement agencies. On Wednesday morning, the
FBI executed a search warrant on the building located along
the North Threeway. According to sources, seventeen individuals, nine men,
eight women were moved from the building and the two

(01:03:33):
leaders which was the woman which we haven't even talked
about and Jared Taylor whatever his name was, for their
alleged roles in a forced labor and money laundering conspiracy
across multiple states, including Texas. According to the US Department
of Justice. Yeah, David Taylor fifty three and Michelle Brannan.
And I believe Michelle Brannon is probably the actual brains

(01:03:55):
of the operation. And David Taylor is just the frontman.

Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
You don't think David Taylor is a high intelligence man.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
I'm skeptical. I'm quite skeptical, not sure enough. I actually
want to see did they take all of their stuff down?
They might have taken all of their stuff down, because
I'm trying to find more clips from him, But I

(01:04:26):
David Taylor's sermon. Now, I'm curious, what does a sermon
look like from this guy? What does a Sunday morning
sermon look like? Oh? Here we go, perfect.

Speaker 19 (01:04:40):
Do you wherever you are at, from the borders to
the seas, we are joining with Apostle David E. Taylor
for a Sunday morning service that is absolutely going to
change your life. Your faith is going to grow, Your
experience with the Lord is going to take on a
new level. Today. Free thing that you hear?

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
No, they stream this today. They stream this as the
service today. No, no, they did?

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Dude, that's so funny. A canned sermon, A canned sermon.
That's amazing. Wait and they're currently live.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
Hah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
What are they ought right now? That's funny. We're gonna
watch their life stream. Okay, so he has he had Okay, wow, interesting.

Speaker 22 (01:05:37):
I grew up in a very Christian home. My mom
and dad loved God. They didn't know what I was
doing out there. I was in gains, I was smoking dope,
and one night, at the age of seventeen in nineteen
eighty nine, Jesus Christ appeared to me in a.

Speaker 8 (01:05:53):
Dream in my sleep, and he talked to me face
to face.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
For the first time.

Speaker 22 (01:05:59):
I had sold this man that my mom and dad
told me about. I saw his beautiful brown hair.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
He was I halfway wanted it to be a black.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Jesus, That's what I was.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
I kind of wanted to see a black Jesus instead.
Dart it go all the way, David, you can do it.
I believe in you.

Speaker 23 (01:06:19):
Then a white robe, and there was such light and
glory coming off of him, hitting me, touching me, and
washing whatever was in me away.

Speaker 8 (01:06:31):
And I saw such love in his eyes.

Speaker 22 (01:06:34):
And when you see Jesus for the first time face
to face, you're going to see that love in his
eyes for you that surpasses knowledge or anything that is
right or wrong about you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
And you can read about it now for the low
low price of nineteen ninety nine on my website. Now,
this is the actual live stream here which is apparently.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
Irelyn, Papa New Guinea.

Speaker 17 (01:07:03):
As myne Oklahoma. Oh we got someone from Oklahoma, Nepaul
Amos Arkansas, I'm us or oh on Ontario, Canada.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
That's gonna stay there. He said, Bro, aren't you.

Speaker 17 (01:07:20):
Look at that South Carolina? Look at where all everyone
is watching from. Now I want you Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I
want you to tell me right now.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
So Apostle is not guilty of and this is doctor
Sheila Vaughn. By the way, Apostle is not guilty of
these charges.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
He was set up.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
As much as he prayed globally, we should be praying
the truth for vail. They beat Jesus and torment and
put nail price his side, price aside. Jesus died for us.
All yeah, all right, lock him up.

Speaker 19 (01:07:55):
Oh my gosh, for Apostle Taylor, thank God for knowledge.

Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
My people are destroyed.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
The live stream chat on the back of.

Speaker 19 (01:08:04):
Postil has what that is us the word of God,
that we not be destroyed, that we not perished.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Thank you, Apostle, and do as the Man of God said.
Right now.

Speaker 19 (01:08:14):
I've seen him scroll across fifty and one hundred of
the thy and twenty and ten and five and bows.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
I mean they're coming to Houston.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
Right, Yeah, so this is like a e begging stream basically,
yeah begging, E begging. David E. Taylor, Well, I'm sure.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
He wills scamming people and then immediately throws a pledge
drive to get more money on the base of his arrest.

Speaker 4 (01:08:41):
Well, I don't know if he's actually out on bailor
if this is just a pre recorded stream from some
other time and it's quote unquote live. I don't think
he's actually live. I would be shocked. Plus, he only
has forty people watching him, so people aren't actually that interested.
It turns out, all right, well that that's what I

(01:09:01):
got on David E. Taylor. That that's the whole debacle
as it stands right now. So let me see here
what was next on the list? Not the cler Oh
this Trent torn clip. That's what we have. This is
from James Yep, all right, anything we should know before
we dive in. Nope, all right, here we go.

Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
Can allow us to suffer if he.

Speaker 9 (01:09:28):
What you're saying is you just don't agree with it
that God can allow us to suffer if he compensates us,
Like if someone came to my house and tore it
up and then give me a bunch of money, I'd
be highly inconvenienced on the lest to have to fix everything.
I'd still be mad even if I was grateful for
the money, because it's my house, not theirs. But this
is God's house, so he's sovereign over it.

Speaker 24 (01:09:47):
I don't see myself as a part of God's house
at best. I would see myself as a visitor within
God's house. You had no choice but to be in
God's house. If I was in my own house and
I dragged somebody into my house through no choice of
their own, and the forced them to undergo some suffering
and then threw some money at them and said, I
have the right to do this because firstly, this is
my house, and secondly I've compensated for it. So if anything,

(01:10:09):
you should be grateful, I think this would be I
think this would be gross right.

Speaker 9 (01:10:12):
Because when human beings exhibit that kind of autonomy over
other human beings, we call that slavery.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
It's funny, that, isn't it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
What you're saying is you just don't So.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
This is from uh. I forget I forget his name,
but the.

Speaker 6 (01:10:28):
Yeah, I ctated a little informal debate. It's pretty good
video I think worth watching. And so this is on
just a second on the problem of evil, which is,
like I've said before, the biggest problem for Christians. It's
kind of the only problem that we have no perfect
answer for and and really can't get a good answer

(01:10:49):
for it. We can only sort of dance around it.
And that's you know, it's just a challenge we have
to deal with. Atheists have a number of their own challenges.
In fact, they have far more so just putting it
to you, guys, what do you think is wrong with
Alex's the analogy metaphor that he's setting up of someone

(01:11:13):
dragging someone into your house and then compensating them for it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
Well, that's kind of the common atheistic argument is that
I didn't choose to be born.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
It's the very emo twelve year old angry at mom
and dad, and it's like, I didn't choose you, guys,
but I'm stuck with you now, it's not my fault,
basically something like that. Well, from a Christian paradigm, I
suppose it's whether or not you allow for secondary causes, right,
So obviously, like so secondary cause is essentially a separation,

(01:11:42):
and you're not putting everything on God because God allows
secondary causes, meaning us to be actors in the world. Right,
So the problem of evil, you could say, well, God
created the world, therefore he created everything within in the world.
But if there's a layer of separation with a secondary cause,
which is humanity and which is free will, that's always
my argument for it is that there's there are secondary

(01:12:05):
causes that God did not directly cause, and he allows
there to be secondary causes.

Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
Yeah, I think that argument works pretty well for why
there is man made evil. It doesn't work all that
well for why there is natural evil until you incorporate
the doctrine of the fall. When you see the natural
evils as being a result of man's fall.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Well, right, it's a result of free will, right exactly, So.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
Then you're kind of able to get around it. But
it still does make you Natural evil still is a
very kind of disconcerting phenomenon. Where you can understand why
so natural evil is like hurricanes, or like cancer and
infants and things like that. Where where why are these

(01:12:53):
things that aren't directly related to free will? They might
be indirectly related the free will if you account for
the doctrine of the fall. But in terms of if
someone dies from our tsunami, you can't say, oh, they
died because of man's free will. Whereas if someone's murdered
and you say, well, you know, God gave people free
will and then someone used e free will to commit

(01:13:14):
an evil action, can't blame God for that. But then
someone dies from a tsunami, It's like, well, it kind
of seems like God's the one who caused a tsunami,
you know. That's that's natural people, That's the second part
of the problem of the evil. That's I think harder
to answer, but.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
I would still, yeah, from a Christian paradigm though, it's
still as a result of the fall, and that's the
why creation is creation itself has fallen.

Speaker 6 (01:13:37):
Right, Yeah, And I think the only thing about I
mean Alex's metaphor of being dragged in, you know, against
his free will. It basically the Bible addresses this when
it comes to God being the potter creating some vessels
for hunable use and some other vessels for dishonorable use.
The creator gets to do with his creation what he will,

(01:13:59):
and and slavery isn't a good analogy when you're describing
something that you create. It it is well within God's
purview and God's authority. You know, if he is the
standard of goodness, period, then he can do whatever he wants,
and certainly he can do whatever he wants with the

(01:14:20):
things that he creates. And so to try to create
the scenario that out describe it just isn't a good
metaphor for the Christian conception of what's going on, or
really any conception of what's going on. It just doesn't
hold up when you're talking about someone who created the
entire universe and all the people within it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
Well, yeah, and I suppose that's a atheist kind of
or just people in general putting themselves on that pedestal
because they think of like, well, if I were God,
It's like, well, yeah, but you don't have that ability
to even comprehend that being right, and you are you
are a lower being, right, you cannot put yourself on
parity with God. So it's like it's like the clague
doesn't argue with the claymaker, right or the right whatever

(01:15:00):
it might be. Like that, I think that's a really
good analogy for that. Yep. But yeah, it's it's still
and that's the thing with you when when it comes
to the atheist, which is usually they try to be
like the facts and logic type I suppose, right, But
then instantly they go to a very emotional thing like uh,
you know, baby cancer, something like that, and they try

(01:15:22):
to get like, Okay, we're going to drag this down
to emotions real fast, just so I don't have to
like think about it, you know, logically and kind of coldly.
I suppose. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:33):
In terms of nature as evil, I mean, that's just
the common parlance basically the idea that there are bad things?
Why do bad things happen to people? You can talk
about that in terms of the things that are directly
caused by people through their exercise of free will, or
the things the bad things that happen as a result
of what seemed like more more primary causes, even if
they're secondary. In terms of nature, you see that God

(01:15:56):
but the rules of nature in place, and God certainly
does have control over an we're as sweet, we do
believe in an act of God. So you'll hear that
referred to as naturally mm.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
Yeah. I mean in terms of the slavery, I don't
even think that's possible in thisschotomy, it is with with
men or with humans. Right, you can make other human slaves,
but I wouldn't consider a cow a slave of mine
because I produce milk and meat from them, right, mm hmm.

(01:16:35):
Kyote six wants to start it up with Christian but
Christians not back yet. What oh hey, he's back. Kty
six says, that's like why the Catholics separated from the
Eastern Orthodox Church. In the greats gives them. The Catholics
wanted to change the bishops into being on par with God.
I don't think. I don't know if I'd go that far,

(01:16:56):
because that seems strange. I mean, unless he's referring to
like the keys as all as the best Catholic response
to the papacy. It's always about the keys, the keys.
But uh yeah, all right, well let's see here we okay,

(01:17:17):
Well we're getting into this topic now, darn it. Well,
so this is uh, this is the Jewish mayor of Minnesota,
or of Minneapolis, sorry my bead. Minnesota officials told a
press briefing on the school shooting at Minneapolis Catholic School,
and this is him basically dissing the idea of thoughts

(01:17:39):
and prayers. I don't know if you want to preface
this with anything, James.

Speaker 6 (01:17:42):
No, that's enough preface. There's just there's this line and
then jim Psaki follows it up with a tweet. I
thought she had a comment as well, like an actual
honor show, but I could only find the tweet, so.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
I gotcha.

Speaker 25 (01:17:58):
Don't just say this is about thoughts and prayers right now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
Where did you find this clip from? It's only coming
in the left ear for me?

Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
Oh well, it might be.

Speaker 25 (01:18:06):
How I don't just say this is about thoughts and
prayers right now. These kids were literally praying. It was
the first week of school, they were in a church.
These are kids that should be learning with their friends.
They should be playing on the playground. They should be

(01:18:26):
able to go to school or church in peace without
the fear or risk of violence, and their parents should
have the same kind of assurance.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
Jamsaki says, Oh, sorry, you guys can't see it. Let
me back it up a little bit. Jam Saki says,
which is Jimsaki? Was she the former White House secretary
for Biden? Yes, prayer not freaking enough.

Speaker 6 (01:18:49):
Parc to the black Lady the Identity High.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Yeah, she quit she was a quitter.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
Oh dude, wait wait wait wait wait wait the black
girl was also a lesbian, wasn't she. Yeah, perfect, the
trifecta right there, Black, disabled and lesbian. Prayer is not
freaking enough. Prayer does not end school shootings. Prayers do
not make parents feel safe sending their kids to school.
Prayer does not bring these kids back enough with the

(01:19:14):
thoughts and prayers. Yeah, I always hate this type of
thing whenever they attack the the Christian unity, the Christian
oneness when it comes to praying for those in need,
and they're like, stop doing that, as opposed to like, no, no, no,

(01:19:36):
because you have to stop praying and you have to
start supporting whatever it is that I'm proposing here.

Speaker 6 (01:19:45):
Yeah, it's such a shallow view of prayer. I mean,
apart from the disgusting fact that they're mocking kids for
praying when they're being shot to say, oh see, the
prayers didn't do anything, which, again, that's not what anyone
thinks that that prayers are supposed to do. Of course,
you can pray for you know, less violence, you can
pray for safety, of course, but it's not like we

(01:20:08):
think that prayer puts a magic force field around you,
But that that's beside the point. Really, it's just the
I mean, yes, there's a shallow view of prayer, but
the fact that they're essentially mocking people for praying, it's
just disgusting. And yeah, it comes up pretty much every

(01:20:30):
single time the any kind of shooting happens, there's any
kind of tragedy, one of the first things that you'll
see is thoughts and prayer, who are not enough? Which
is why I'm pretty sure Advance he put out a
tweet basically saying something along the lines of our thoughts
and our prayers are with the families, which seemed like
just politically, it was just baiting them because he wanted

(01:20:51):
this this discussion to take place, which it ended up working.
But that, yeah, this is this is always the retort,
and it's it's just so distasteful.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
Yeah, well this is just something I pulled off of
X that is actually just terrible timing on their parts.
So this is ours slash Man's fictional scenario. This is
entirely made up. And then this is of course a
prayer for the six innocent lives stolen by her and
then the weirdos in the back of getting upset by
the lack of pronouns or whatnot. And this was posted

(01:21:27):
like just before, and this guy is saying, Oh, this
is entirely made up, this would never happen in reality.
And then it quite literally actually happens right after that. Now,
this was something that I should I was actually going
to talk about this on the stream on Friday, but
then everything got kind of discombobulated. Minnesota Catholic school shooting
came after bishop's pleas for security funds went unanswered. Democratic

(01:21:49):
Governor at Tim Walls and the state legislature both declined
to act on repeated appeals from Catholic leaders seeking the
same level of protection public schools receive. After a pair
of Skate State school shootings in twenty twenty two and
twenty twenty three shock the nation, Minnesotas bishops implored state
lawmakers to provide security funding for local, non public schools. Now,
two years after their appeals went unheeded, tragedy has struck

(01:22:12):
one of their own. And this is also there's another
article that I pulled up that was the day of,
or the day after Tim Governor Tim Waltz, who I
forget is actually a real human being, and actually a governor.
I thought he was like a side character and a
little like Kamala is Run. But no, he's actually a
real person with power. But he called a summit for

(01:22:35):
gun control right after as the solution for these things,
rather than, you know, perhaps the individual who perpetrated the crime. Now,
this is the dark one, and this is the disgusting
nature of redatoids in general. And these people the memes

(01:22:59):
are are real. Okay, they do legitimately hate you, right
based take the fight to their kids so they can
feel what it's like to be attacked for your identity.
So this is applauding the shooter, elective fascist. Your kids
are legitimate targets Republicans or enemies of humidity. Yeah, and
eight and a ten year old praying in mass are

(01:23:20):
legitimate targets to these people. Keep that in mind, and
thinning the herd is our duty. More dead Christians loll
To me, it seems like if you elect a really
bad guy that's cruel to people, and weaponize his cruelness
and terrific behavior against your neighbors, some of these horrible
something something. Maybe they're Christo fascist, Oh, Christo fascists, that's

(01:23:41):
the new one. I haven't heard of that. I've heard
a crypto fascist, not CHRISTI fascist. Parents will think twice
before supporting an admin that kills Palestinian children. Oh, I'm
not sure what that has to do with eight and
ten year olds praying, But moving on, the servers want
to kill all trans shouldn't be surprised when we fight

(01:24:02):
back again. They're murdering eight and ten year olds, heroic,
They want to kill our kids, and we're gonna heroic heroic.
This is Republican's fault. I don't know if those eight
or ten year olds could even vote bro Am. I
supposed to feel bad that rich Christian kids are gone
good rins. Now this is the thing, the dehumanizing of

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anyone that is now. These people probably weren't even rich,
like Minneapolis is not that nice, Like they were going
to a private school that their parents were sending them.
You know, it'd probably be paying a lot of money
out of pocket to get them out of the public
school system, which is the correct move right. But yeah,
so if you are white, or Christian, or you have

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any sort of possible conservative take, even though as we
showed earlier, the Vatican might not be all that conservative
in sort of these. In these terms, your kids are
a target and they don't consider them human. They laugh,
they think it's cool, they think like, okay, good, well,
they're doing bad things to us, even though the bad

(01:25:08):
things that the right is doing to trans individuals is saying,
you know, whatever you do to cut up your body,
it doesn't change like who you are, Like, it's never
going to change your chromosomes or your DNA. I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (01:25:19):
Yeah, did you guys see the video where a girl
was talking about how if she ever got pregnant and
found out that it was a boy, she would have
bored them immediately. She didn't want to raise you know,
a white male. You would probably just be part of
the problem, not part of the solution.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
Jeez, I mean, just objectively evil future religious extremists dying.
Isn't that bad? Listen, let me let me get this.
Let me tell you something. Okay, if this is your take,
I'm going to tell you that you're a current extremist.
But instead of religious, your religion is this death cult.
That's transgenderism. The trans community will not lie dying, will

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not die laying down. Now this is a dark joke,
but you will probably die hanging instead forty one. Anyways,
without a fight. Yeah, your imaginary skydaddy, I go to
the sky daddy decisions that politicians you elect make. Again,
these eight and ten year olds never elected anybody. Most

(01:26:19):
of work instead of actually doing anything about it. Yeah,
so just the absolute disgusting.

Speaker 6 (01:26:26):
If your church doesn't have security, then what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
Well, if you are at church, you are church's security. Like,
I think it is your due as as a man
to carry in church and to be competent in church.
Like my tiny little town doesn't have a security team,
but I know a couple of people that carry every
Sunday morning and I'm one of them, right exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:26:46):
And you should know each other. You should talk to
each other, and.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
I should probably talk to them about actually getting up
setting setting up like an official church security team, just
so that people are are are well, just cover your basis, Okay,
not saying that something is going to happen, but you
should cover your basis.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Yeah, I talked about that with the a f you
guys from the last meeting we had, even like organizing
like going out and shooting your guns, getting proficient with them.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Well, and well that's another thing. If you want to
create a church security team, and you are the best
shooter in that group. You need to take them out
and make sure everybody's up to up to snuff. Yes, so, well,
here's one that kind of following off of that. So
all Americans should be able to practice their religion without
fear of terrorism or violence. Sorry. Under the leadership of

(01:27:34):
President Trump and Secretary nome DHS is awarding one hundred
and ten million dollars to more than six hundred very
important wording here faith based organizations and other nonprofits across
the US to help protect houses of worship. The funding
is administered through HUMUS Non Profit Security Grant. Now, can
anyone take a guess of the six hundred organizations, how

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many of them were Christian? Ten his eighty but still
five hundred, five hundred and twelve of them were some No, no, no,
I'm not kidding. Five hundred and twelve were either synagogues
or in some way related to Jewish owners or Judaism.
Insane number.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
And he's gonna, why don't we just send that to Israel?
But it turns out it's not a joke.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
Yeah, So I mean it's like, well, I don't know
if you guys saw that floating around on Twitter or
other online spaces. But it was essentially like Catholic children
killed Israel most affected because he had well because he
had the Israel must burn on this thing. And so
people were like, oh, this is an anti anti Semitic
terrorist attack, and it's like, I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (01:28:50):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't have a problem with
synagogues having obseecurity as well, but the timing of that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
Is well, here's the thing. If you are a if
you're a church of any nature, like you should be
concerned with the well being of your flock. That is
your normal moral duty to uphold. So you should want
whether it's personal security or private security. The problem I
would have, of course, is that it's our funds that

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are not being distributed equally to you know, which is
why I like they use the term faith based rather
than you know, Christian or whatever else it might have been. So,
m all right, we got to we end to the
dark part of the show in the end, all right
for you? Well, this this is the clip of the

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fourteen year old Scottish girl, which makes me very sad
of my heritage being part of Clan Campbell and visiting
the Campbell Castle up there in Inverness. Beautiful place, but
makes me very sad for my ancestral homeland.

Speaker 6 (01:29:54):
We tried uploading this clip and had issues, so yeah,
well you gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
I don't know why it's like that. If you upload
the video, you will get in trouble, but if you
play that video on YouTube, you will not get in trouble.
That's the way it works. I don't know why that is.
It's the same with copyright. Like if I tried to
take their video down and upload it, problem. If I
watch their video, no problem. Here's a brief piece of

(01:30:21):
the video.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
We have to bleep a lot of it out, but
here it is.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
Yes, you have an eye?

Speaker 18 (01:30:30):
Why are you putting yours?

Speaker 4 (01:30:34):
Well the accent kind of gave it away there, didn't it.

Speaker 20 (01:30:38):
Oh so night sold on right.

Speaker 24 (01:30:46):
Get my list' that's wow?

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
Yeah, Well would you just botard me?

Speaker 5 (01:31:00):
It's it's a horrific.

Speaker 6 (01:31:03):
There are a few videos that can make your blood
boil as much as that kind of thing. A guy
intimidating diagonizing a couple of girls.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Well so a adult.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Indian man from the accident sounded like it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
I forget there. He had a specific whether it was
Punjabi or whatever it was. But an adult Indian man
in Scotland. Don't ask me what he's doing there, asked
the Scottish government because they are gay and retarded. Probably
the most cucked country in Europe is the Scotland, the
Scottish government. It's disgustingly bad. But anyways, always that way. No, not,

(01:31:41):
I can't believe they never mind. I'm not getting into
this now, but no, I think it was ten and
fourteen years old the girl right, or the girl was
fourteen when her sister was older. Either way, we're talking
like young young teenagers or just before teenagers. This guy's
following them around, harassing them for whatever purpose, doesn't matter. Okay,

(01:32:07):
this girl's carrying around a tomahawk and a knife or
axe and a knife, whatever it happens to be. And
they this guy's filming them, which is also really weird,
as they scream at him to get away as they are.
There's also people walking by, which really pisses me off.
Why somebody didn't just well, I can't say that on YouTube,
but anyways, why justice was not dispensed there's people walking by.

(01:32:30):
I don't know if I'm walking around and I see
a large man, or a man, just any man, harassing
two little girls who are screaming at him to run
away or to go away from them. I feel like
you just, even if you're not gonna immediately attack the
to be like what's going on here? Like do you
know these people?

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
Kids?

Speaker 11 (01:32:48):
Do do you know him?

Speaker 7 (01:32:49):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
What's going on? You just ask some questions, right, you
don't have to immediately go to maximum violence. You could,
but you don't have to. But nobody does. They just
walk by or whatever. It's just a downtown Glasgow I
guess whatever. But of course Scotland being Scotland, they decided
to rest the girl for caring for brandishing weapons.

Speaker 6 (01:33:17):
She had the weapons on her, so this is obviously
something that's been happening, you know, enough for her to
feel the need to carry around some large part to
conceal weapons.

Speaker 4 (01:33:29):
Politicians talk tough on crime, but when a fourteen year
old Scottish girl stands up to protect her little sister
from a menacing stranger, guess who gets targeted, not the
aggressor her. The United Kingdom, where self defense is a
crime and illegal aliens room free committing atrocity atrocities while
the systems shields them. Yeah, yeah, screaming out of migrant

(01:33:54):
to stay away from her younger sister. Why is there
not a single human who can well this is just
gonna gone, But why is there not a single human
who can intervene here or have the courage to stand up?
And I do want to say this, Okay, I've seen
you guys have seen the maybe not this blew up.
I think last year or so where it was the

(01:34:15):
lesbian police officer in UK who got really pissed off
with an autistic girl for saying that you look like
a man or something because she had like really short hair,
so she like misjenditor or said something. And then they
showed back up with like ten police officers and forcibly
removed her from the house and arrested her. Now I'm

(01:34:39):
thinking you're arresting like because the family was there. There's
video of this, the family is there, And I'm like,
you're arresting my daughter because she perhaps said something that
you find unkind And in America you couldn't get away
with that because somebody would get shot for that. Yeah,
that's the one thing that like, if would I ever

(01:35:01):
in any circumstance, let a cop or an agent take
away a child for something. I could think about it
too in here when they had the COVID crackdowns and
stuff like that. Imagine if they were doing like force
vaccinations like they were doing innother places, and they're like, well,
if you don't give your kid these vaccines, well we're
gonna call CPS on you. And what am I gonna
let them forcibly take my kids away from me?

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Bike?

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
I I don't think it's going down like that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
They will do whatever they can when you have already
the when you've removed the guns from the population, then
they can do that kind of thing, but they can't
go that far, even though they would love to go
that far. When you still have guns, it makes it very,
very difficult to pull the trigger. But metaphorically, yeah, yeah, exactly,

(01:35:50):
it's yeah, it's the only thing that keeps us from
being like Australia and Canada. Maybe these are countries that
at one point had a rather robust not Second Amendment,
but a rather robust gun culture. But then they just
become complete cuckled. They just become completely castrated people. I mean,

(01:36:11):
you saw the you guys see the Canadian citizens aren't
allowed to walk in certain woods because they're worried about
wildfires and oh yeah yeah the videos of the Canadians,
they're like, yeah, this seems kind of ridiculous, but oh well,
what can we do. I guess there's probably a good
reason for it. And it's like, you guys are just
a bunch of pussies.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
Yeah, well, I mean yeah, but I remember when they
put like curfews and other crap, like you could you
couldn't walk outside past eight pm in some states, right
because I lived in Washington. Remember when they filled up
they filled up outdoor parks with sand so that kids
couldn't play, They couldn't ride skateboards. But you know, because

(01:36:54):
that playing outside, that's dangerous now, so we have outlawed
playing outside.

Speaker 6 (01:36:58):
Yeah, yeah, you've been interested in things I can't say
on YouTube, but it's Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Even when I lived in California during COVID, I had
a buddy get pulled over for being driving on the
freeway past curfew and then when the officer approached his window,
he told him to put a mask on. Yeah that's
how bad it was. Yep, yeah, insanity.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
On a lighter note, though, I found this funny today.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
So this is.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
No abortion rights because the Prince of Liechtenstein threatens to
run away with all the money if the people actually
vote to legalize abortion. Now this is in green tech's form,
so this is not completely true. But be the King
of Lichtenstein want to ban abortion, the people won't vote
for it. Idea dot PNG. Put constitutional referendum on the
ballot to give yourself absolute power, Threaten to resign and

(01:37:52):
leave the country if it fails. Keep in mind that
he holds most of the money there, so they pass
it progredgually sixty five to thirty five. All right, fair enough,
first part of the plan executed. Announce you want to
be an abortion The people object, don't care lol a
thought JPG. The people passing abortion rights referendum. You veto
it because you have veto power. The people will hold
a vote to remove your veto power and it fails

(01:38:14):
seventy five to twenty five. Easy win. So base kings
bring back to monarchs, which of course only only wins.
Only works when you have a base monarch rather than
some you know, pagan tard. All right, now this is
the CLI. This is the last one for that we
have for today. This is from Tim Gordon Rules for

(01:38:36):
retrogrades Christian. Was this yours? Or James? Is this yours?

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
No? I put this up.

Speaker 6 (01:38:40):
It's related to the debate between Jay Dire and him
Gordon and uh, I think that's all the set up
the seed. This one's on the Papacytay debated the papacy
and so just as we've mentioned that debate, I thought
it was an interesting work.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
Okay, because I did it? Go ahead? Well, I was
gonna say, because I added one little thing to the
end of this, because I saw you pull this up
and I was like, okay, I'm going to actually pull
up the document that I always reference in regards to this.
Here's why.

Speaker 7 (01:39:08):
Because the debate prompt was did.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
Okay, sorry, so this is this? He doesn't say it,
but this is the simple reason why I won the
papacy debate against a jayder Here we go. Here's why.

Speaker 7 (01:39:19):
Because the debate prompt was, did Jesus read historically? Now,
did Jesus establish the petrine office the papacy? And not
with this means you know, in late thirty three AD,
did he do that act in time? At that point
in time? Because if you're a Christian and Jesus did,

(01:39:42):
as a matter of fact establish the papacy, then then
it doesn't matter what happens in the late eighteen hundreds
at Vatican one. I mean, nothing insane happened in the
Vatican one or Vatican two periods in the eighteen nineties

(01:40:02):
of the nineteen sixties.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Nothing at all.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
Here's why. All right, Chris, do you find that a
compelling argument?

Speaker 7 (01:40:13):
Play it one more time for me, please spat on,
because the debate prompt was did Jesus read historically, now,
did Jesus establish the petrin office the papacy? And this means,
you know, in late thirty three AD, did he do
that act in time at.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
That point in time.

Speaker 7 (01:40:35):
Because if you're a Christian and Jesus did, as a
matter of fact establish the papacy, then that it doesn't
matter what happens in the late eighteen hundreds at Vatican one.
I mean, nothing insane happened in the Vatican one or

(01:40:57):
Vatican two periods in the eighteen nineties and the nineteen sixties.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
Nothing at all. Here's why.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
All right? What's your question?

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
Well, my question just but I don't know where James
is going on, but my question is do you find
that a compelling argument?

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
My gut tells me not necessarily.

Speaker 11 (01:41:17):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:41:18):
Okay, so that wasn't well, that's not like your personal
argument for the papac Just no, okay, James, what did
you have on this? Because now I'm curious where you're
going to go on it.

Speaker 6 (01:41:30):
So this is why I think that it's so important
to actually study logic. And we've talked a few times
about the relationship between induction and deduction, and I tend
to go a little hard on deduction in terms of
not being able to do as much as people think

(01:41:51):
that it can. You can, you can have these logical systems,
but they don't always they don't carry you as far
as you'd like, because oftentimes people are missing there. There's
this whole just system of abstractions and inductions that are
supporting your logical way of thinking. But this is an
example why it's important to know sound logic, because this

(01:42:16):
just simply doesn't follow. Even if Christ did instantiate the papacy,
that it doesn't follow that the papacy as defined that
the papal infallibility and powers and authority, as to find
in Vatican One was what was being instantiated back then

(01:42:39):
in the you know, by Christ in the first century.
And I mean that's essentially the claim that he's making
is that if you can show that Christ that what
Christ was establishing was the papacy, then you have to
accept the papacy all the way up to Vatican one
Vatican two. And so I say Vatican one because that's

(01:43:00):
when the pable powers and fallibility was officially confirmed in
a lot of ways, and it just doesn't follow, right
Christ could have you know, I don't, I don't necessarily.
I don't read scripture or the historical record as necessarily
showing that Christ established the papacy. I don't think that

(01:43:23):
it does at all. But it certainly doesn't necessarily show
that Christ established the papacy. But even if he established
some form of the papacy, I don't think anyone, even
in the Catholic Church, sees the Vatican one papacy as
being enumerated in terms of powers and authority by Christ.

Speaker 5 (01:43:44):
So there there are so.

Speaker 6 (01:43:46):
Many other things that have to come into play before
you get to Vatican one infallibility that simply proving that
Christ established the papacy doesn't get you. There are just
so many things that could possibly go wrong in between
there in the historical record. So the version of the

(01:44:06):
papacy that Christ established, if the established any form of
the papacy, is not necessarily the version of the papacy
that is accepted by modern day Catholics. And so I'm
not saying that you can't argue that it is or
should be the version of the papacy that is helped
in modern day Catholics. But you don't get there deductively.

(01:44:27):
You don't get there by means of a simple kind
of two to three step syllogism, which is essentially what
it seems like Tim is trying to say that all
you need to do is show that Christ established the
papacy back in the first century. Therefore we have to
accept the papacy as it's explained to us in that
it can one that just doesn't follow. There's just so

(01:44:47):
much more work that you have to do in order
to make that point.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
So that's kind of where I'm going to go with
that as well. So I'm actually going to take the
orthodox position here, and I'm going to grant completely that
Christ set up the papacy. I'll just grant that position
off the rip. However, it doesn't logically follow that Vatican
won eighteen hundred years later, eighteen hundred and thirty six

(01:45:13):
years later is the same form of the papacy in
the first millennium. Now, my argument for this would be
that so Christian, we both believe that Christ instituted the
sacraments of the Eucharist and baptism. Yes, However, if you're
at a megachurch and you see the pastor issuing people

(01:45:37):
down a loopy loop water slide and he's not even
saying the right words, we would say, well, that's not
a valid baptism, correct, that's nonsense. You're doing the same
thing with euchris right. If they were, they were doing
something untward, you be like, well, that's simply And the
Catholic Church did that right because they there was a
priest who in his diocese was not saying the words right.

(01:46:00):
There was this big thing, I think it was in Arizona.
I don't know if we talked about this last time,
but he was essentially he had said the wrong words
for like twenty years, and so there was a whole
thing about his everybody that he had baptized was actually
not properly baptized. So again, we can we all agree, well,
at least I'm just going to grant the position that
Christ instituted the papacy. However, that it's currently not in

(01:46:21):
the proper form of it, right so in the first millennium.
Which is weird because Catholics actually agree with this position
in the Chiady Document, the Chiaty Document. Let me find
it because this is now. The Chiady Document, which is
often quoted in this debate, is a joint commission for

(01:46:43):
the theological dialogue between the Catholic and Orthodox Church. So
this is a joint document between the Catholic and Orthodox Church,
and all but one Orthodox bishop signed on to it,
but the Catholic Church did. So this is a joint
document from twenty sixteen. Let me say, sonodle, HiT's down here.

(01:47:03):
I think it's almost at the end, but Catholics agree
on the basis of the common promises. It's probably linked.
It's I'm gonna have to find the exact quote in here. Papacy. Okay,
let's see papacy. Maybe I forget what I searched for.

(01:47:24):
People know, Okay, here it is, yeah, yeah, so here
it is so appeals to the Bishop of the Rome
from the East express the communion of the Church. But
the Bishop of Rome did not exercise canonical authority over
the Church of the East. And remember that this is
a joint document between Catholics and Orthodox and they admit

(01:47:47):
in this document that they signed off on that Rome
did not exercise canonical authority over the churches of the
East in the first millennium. You fast forward to Vatican One,
which Tim Gordon mentions, and within Vatican One it states
that the pope has temporal supremacy over all churches, all Christians,

(01:48:08):
and even over principalities of the world. So he's the
people used to me of the quizat Hatarak. Basically, this
this God emperor type thing right where it's like that
that is the pope above all. But in Thishady document
from twenty sixteen, they admit that in the first thousand years,
the Roman pope they're sorry, the Bishop of Rome did

(01:48:32):
not exercise canonical authority over the East. So to me,
it seems like juggling to positions. So I would simply
agree with the position that Christ did institute the papacy
with Peter giving him the keys, he you know, making
him the rock that sort of thing, even though in
Revelations it talks about the twelve rocks and then Christ
being the cornerstone. But that aside. Let's just grant the
position to that Peter is the pope and the Patrian.

(01:48:57):
See all that sort of stuff holds power and influence
whatever you want to call it. However, the form of
the papacy now is simply not with Christ and Christ's
instituted and is somewhere along the line it changed, So
that would be that would be my line of argumentation.
I can grant that Peter that Christ institute of the papacy,
but it has just been perverted and changed over time

(01:49:19):
where it is no longer valed. Like the same thing,
we would say that Christ instituted, uh, the eucherst baptism,
but if somebody is you know, baptizing in you know,
some obscene way, we would not consider that avow baptism
in the same way. If Pope was like, I'm going
to have you know, you guys can officiate gay weddings,
I'd be like, well, this this seems antithetical to like

(01:49:43):
the position of the papacy.

Speaker 6 (01:49:44):
Right you had this comment. Christ certainly didn't say anything
that came two hundred and seventy years later in the
Third Council.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
I see, yeah, well that I disagree with because I mean,
I I agree that there were many many honorific titles
given to the Bishop of Rome in the first thousand years,
appeals were made to him. Now at the same time,
he was also out voted at certain councils, like he
did not sign on to the Second Council. What was

(01:50:20):
the second Council? Originally he didn't sign on to the
Council and then retroactively accepted it, so he wasn't like
within the first thousand years. There's there's much debate about
how much power the pope actually held with the patriancy
because it has the dual Apostolic origin with Peter and Paul.

Speaker 6 (01:50:39):
I assume what this commenter is saying, and hook you're
in the chat, let me know. I don't know if
you're Orthodox or your Catholic. I don't know exactly where
you're coming from, but I.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
Assume I think he's just a contrarian.

Speaker 6 (01:50:50):
I assume what he's saying is that this is an
argimential here Catholics make a lot and Orthodox will make
it to to some degree. If you take like a
solo scripturer perspective, then how can you accept the niceing Creed?
And really, when we talk about the niceing creed, we're
generally talking about the nice constantinoble creed. Right The Council

(01:51:12):
of constant Noble came a few years later, and he says,
I'm a lowly Christian. The nicing constantin noble creed is
the creed that came specifically as the Council of Constantinople.
But it was basically just a slight augmentation of the
Council of Nicea or the creed that came out of
the Council of Nicia. And so those two creeds combined

(01:51:35):
are we generally will recite as the niceing creed. And
what strikes me about the niceing creed is how incredibly
scriptural it is. It is all of the arguments that
went into codifying the niceing creed were arguments directly from scripture.
And so Christ didn't say everything that's being referenced, but
scripture more broadly, so including the apostolic writings, are what

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are being referenced when you creating that creed. And so
that is why pretty much all Protestants will affirm the
nice and constantinical Freed. In fact, that's that's pretty much
the standard that I hold to whether or not you're
you're a Christian or not. Is double to the nice
and constantinople Creed because it is it's so scriptural. All

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of the arguments that are made in it can be
appealed directly to scripture. Now, you can interpret scripture in
a different way than the nice, constant, constantinople Creed does,
but it still holds that the Creed is based entirely
on scripture, and that's where it derives its authority from.

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And so as a Protestant, even holding solo scriptura, I
can uphold this Creed as being a valid representation of
what I believe because it is based on scripture.

Speaker 24 (01:52:53):
And you know so.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
Well as a soul, Scripture doesn't mean that there are
no other authorities, right, right, So, the the Ecumenical Councils,
the first six or seven however you want to call it,
well not necessarily binding to a Protestant. I think they're
insanely useful for understanding the early Church and their interpretations,

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which is much closer to us. Right, two thousand years
later seventeen hundred years later. So I think every Christian.

Speaker 6 (01:53:26):
Should go through this right and what we appeal to
to determine whether or not these creeds are correct is scripture.
And that is the question that the protests will ask,
because whatever we're talking about anything doctrinal, we say, well,
what does Scripture say? And we appeal to Scripture as
being the the thing that we have to contend with

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when determining whether something is true or not. Whereas Catholics
will also appeal to scripture, but they will appeal the
Scripture as interpreted by the Church, and so they but
the church ultimately in that position of of appeal, the
final appeal goes to the church, Whereas Protestants don't recognize

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the authority of the Church, and so the final appeal
goes to Scripture, which still which leaves an element.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
Of if by church you mean the Catholic Church, but
they they we we still have churches an authority for Protestants. Yeah,
it depends what you mean by authority too.

Speaker 8 (01:54:25):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:54:25):
When we talk about the way I like to think
about it is the only infallible authority is Scripture. So
you can have other authorities, temporal authorities, that are not
infallible though, right, But.

Speaker 6 (01:54:38):
In terms of the doctrine that you personally hold to,
you're you're going to have to add an interpretive layer
at some point in there. And that's the Protestan position
is that that the individual is the final interpreter, whereas
the Catholics will hold that the church as being a
final interpreter, and they add on to that that that

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interpreter ist.

Speaker 4 (01:55:00):
Has a right. Well, maybe that's where I'm kind of
in between, because while I understand that personal interpretation like
is going to happen one way or the other, Like
I'm going to personally interpret the Church's interpretation of the scriptures, right,
at some level, there's going to be some personal interpretation,
but I would be I feel much more comfortable relying
on the early church Father's interpretation of scripture rather than

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my own, which is why I feel like I feel
it's a very why we've seen the Protestants turn to
such nonsense so quickly, Like whereas the Catholic Church has
remained very stable for two thousand years, the Orthodox Church
has remained very stable for two thousand years, and the
Protestant Church has been a disgusting mess for five hundred

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years before and fifty years for the most part, right
is because that they don't have an authority or a
tradition that holds them in line essentially.

Speaker 6 (01:55:53):
I mean, it's kind of the ultimate. Well Chesterton, who
is known mostly as just being a conservative, he also
was He converted to Catholicism towards the.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
End of his life.

Speaker 6 (01:56:04):
At one point he was Anglican. But he's just a
great fifty writer and Protestant Catholics orthodox can all benefit
from reading his stuff. Although he doesn't he doesn't really
understand Calvinism, so it's a tax against Calvinism don't really work.
But but he's he's great, and one of his arguments

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he just talks. So in the book Orthodoxy, which is
essentially a personal explanation of why he accepts what is that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
Saying, I just got this yesterday and ready yet? But
this is a quick little book.

Speaker 1 (01:56:38):
Saint Day the Apostolic, I think your mike input changed.

Speaker 6 (01:56:43):
Yeah, I take it disconnected, so it's coming from your computer.
But but Chesterton in Orthodoxy, it's basically a personal account
of his uh the preconditions that he had growing up
that led him to Christianity and to ultimately the Catholic Church.

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But one of the things he talks about is just
sort of a belief in democracy as being sounder than
simply relying on one person right. Most likely if you
include a multiple people, they're going to be more right
than just one person. And so he talked, he has
his phrase or he talks about the democracy of the dead,

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where you include in your calculations the ideas of all
the people that came before you tradition as you're trying
to figure out what you should believe. And I mean
that's something that I wholeheartedly affirm. I think that when
we are dealing with scripture and how to interpret it,
we should include all the people that came before us

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the democracy of the dead, And so I share that
with Chesterton. I share a certain amount of respect for
the beliefs of the masses as having a greater likelihood
of being correct than just my own beliefs in an atomistic,
atomistic fashion.

Speaker 4 (01:58:05):
Yes, sorry, I don't know if you guys. So No,
this is Saint Aaronez of Leon's, which is a second
second century church father, and this is on the Apostolic preaching.
Now he's done some other work against terroristies and whatnot.
But this is really a really short book from the
popular Patristics series, number seventeen. These are really cheap. You

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can find them for like ten to twenty bucks, and
they make really quick reads and they're really consumable. See
can kind of like get some first well not first century,
very rarely, but second, third, fourth century Church fathers kind
of figure out what was going on at the time.

Speaker 6 (01:58:42):
I'll plug a Catholic source, The Institute for Catholic Culture
has a number of free classes that you can take online,
and they're taught by actual seminary professors, all from a
Catholic perspective, but very very valuable. They have a class,
I think a couple classes on a Patristic, so two
semesters Patis six one, Patistics two, and they go through

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a number of the early church authors, so that the
first two are the first one's Clement, the second one
is not Urinarius, but Ignacious Ignius. I think they might
get to Polycarp as well, although I'm not sure that
he wrote as much. He's mostly remembered for there's a
there's a an accounting of Polycarp's death because he was

(01:59:25):
one of the early martyrs, and there's like a quirk
documentation of his martyrdom. That's it's it's pretty cool. It
seems that the writing that we have isn't the court documentation,
but it clearly used that as a source in explaining
the perceivings.

Speaker 4 (01:59:42):
Well, wait, isn't the book called the Martyrdom of Polycarp?

Speaker 6 (01:59:45):
I mean, I don't. I'm sure the title was probably
added much later.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
But yes, well that sounds known in the common vernacular
in English.

Speaker 6 (01:59:51):
I guess, yeah, Well, there you go, don't. I don't
have anything else. I mean, I think there's a Yeah,
there's a lot of value in tradition, and certainly if
you want to be a informed Christian, whether Protestant or
the Doctor or Cacatholic, you should look into what the
early church brothers had to say and drive from there.

Speaker 1 (02:00:16):
While we're plugging books, I've been reading, Uh this one
very good book as well. Kind of talks about a
lot of the bishops and their arguments. So there are
arguments against Vatican two and the archbishop Marcel lefeb was
actually the founder of ssp X. Right, So yeah, very

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interesting book. So I'm only a few chapters in, but
it'd be beneficial to even Protestants Orthodox to read kind
of get an aspect God.

Speaker 4 (02:00:45):
Yeah, so as an archbishop, how can is that? I
was saw. I'm a little confused on how the ecclesiology works.
So if you're an archbishop, which is a higher rank
than bishop, I believe, so is it just or is
it just an honorific title? So, but if you're against
that can too or you don't accept it as an
ecumenical council. Doesn't that put you outside the faith?

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Yes, it puts you outside of throm communion with the papacy.

Speaker 6 (02:01:09):
Yes, m I think he eventually reconciled with I believe
he did. Yeah, yeah, which, you know, it's it's amazing
what the threat of excommunication will do to you when
it comes to when your eternal soul is at stake.
Its amazing what you'll do in the end of your Yeah,

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you know. Okham of Akham's Razor fame had some issues
with some of the way scholastic philosophy was being conducted,
and he had some very valid criticisms and started to
tend towards more of an almost solo scripture perspective. But then,
of course, towards the end of his life. You know,
he was not willing to do what Luther did and

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just stand up against everyone, and he just sort of
he went along with with the the status quo. And
I'm not I'm not calling coward and I'm just it's
just worth noting that when when those are the steaks,
you make decisions that you might not otherwise make.

Speaker 4 (02:02:12):
Well getting to some of these starred chats. Uh, there's
some really sad but funny clips of him berating his
congregation back in the day about not giving him enough.
I believe that's in response to what was his name,
Jordan Taylor to David Taylor, David E. Taylor.

Speaker 1 (02:02:28):
Yeah, what was his slur that I learned today? Pingoing
enough money?

Speaker 4 (02:02:40):
That's right, I called you a pingo. I'm gonna let
you figure out what that means. I forgot that that's
what we were doing.

Speaker 8 (02:02:46):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:02:47):
The shadow Ford says, oh no, brock and Hop distracted me. Yes,
they were streaming. They were counter streaming us. Unbelievable. Well,
they're supposed to stream once a month and Sunday is
a good time.

Speaker 6 (02:03:00):
With brocken Hop just this past week talking about thermals.
Put that video out.

Speaker 4 (02:03:05):
What are you getting that out.

Speaker 6 (02:03:07):
I'll try to do some editing this week. I don't
know if I get it out by the end of
the week.

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
But in the your Future, I did watch the first
like twelve minutes of it, just seeing how it's going
on on. Uh hook says Christ certainly didn't say anything
that came to and seven. I think we discussed this
about the Church fathers. Yeah, I mean I think that
it's it's just very important to understand the historical context

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and the historical interpretation rather than relying on like your
modern you know, paradigm of how you interpret the scriptures. Right.
So the Protestants tend to believe in a very simple
reading of the scripture. Right, that's like kind of a
principles that the simple meaning right, But then the simple meaning,

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the quote unquote simple meaning of the Scripture often varies
wildly between Protestants and between the Church others as well.
Speaking of James, James Channel was Compulsive Gun Buyer on
YouTube you can search Compulsive Gun Buyer and James has

(02:04:13):
been on the Focus Shrip show as well many times.
So let's see. This is the light version of the
River Church in Tampa, Florida. They are Pentecostals. Many good
memes made about Pentecostals.

Speaker 6 (02:04:34):
Like I've been to a Pentecostal church and found it
completely unobjectionable. But it was a white Pentecostal church.

Speaker 4 (02:04:39):
I don't know if that Yeah, Oh so are you
saying you would have found it objectable if it was black?
Are you sayjectable? I've also been to a Pentecostal church
because my old boss, my first boss, Phil, who I
used to work. I worked with him when I was
sixteen seventeen eighteen. He advited me to his church. I
was going to a local church, but he was like, oh,
just come to my church for Sunday. So I went
to a church and yeah, they're a little weird, but

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it was it was kind of normal. Normal.

Speaker 6 (02:05:03):
We're handled in the service that I went to, and.

Speaker 4 (02:05:06):
Then the pastor didn't dilater on due to a snake
bright m anytime you look into black religiousness you'll find
this bull Look at the Pope elections with the quote
unquote cardinal that was an Apostolic cardinal. It's very it's
every religion but one race.

Speaker 1 (02:05:25):
It's just grift.

Speaker 4 (02:05:29):
I I don't know why it is that way, but
they seem to be more susceptible to the charismatics. And
I don't know if it's just the the show and tell,
the bravado that speaks to them, the the machismo, even
though we saw how quickly that fades away under pressure.

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But I think there is something there that attracts a
certain group of people for.

Speaker 6 (02:05:54):
Sure, and it also attracts a certain group of white
people where they will I mean, especially well.

Speaker 4 (02:06:01):
There there that we have a term for them. What
does that term? Well, it's the other term, but with
a W in front. Yeah yeah what pingos right, well pingoes?
Well no, but you are right, I think that well,
especially when they sense a grift, I think you will

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attract a certain type of that audience or yeah, I
don't know, I emotionally invested people or emotionally unstable.

Speaker 6 (02:06:30):
People, so like in Presbyterian circles, because Presbyterians will joke
about themselves sometimes as being the frozen chosen. It's a
reference to Calvinism, but also the fact that we have
no energy in our church services. The Black church energy
really appeals to us because it's like, man, they really
they've got the spirit, They got the soul, man, they
got the soul, right, which is funnily enough, is what

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attracted me to the pentecostalrich I went to. I was like, wow,
I mean, it was just I just went to one
service because it was the nearest church when I was
visiting my sister at the time. Time as a little
neighborhood service, I thought I'd go and I liked it
because it it did have a certain amount of energy
that I was like, Wow, this is nice, this is cool,
and so there is an appeal there, and I think

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that it can often mask a lot of the borderline heresy,
sometimes outright heresy. I know I've been to I've only
been to a couple Black church services.

Speaker 4 (02:07:27):
I've never been. That sounds like fun, but it's fun
for a different for a different reason though, right because
I feel bad that I'm going there to like watch
it play out.

Speaker 11 (02:07:37):
You know, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (02:07:39):
Yeah, well I would, I wouldn't go for the right reasons.

Speaker 6 (02:07:41):
One of the big stereotypical things about Black churches is
they tend to be very focused on the money. And
the second service I went to, they were both at
the same church, and my friend went there, so that's
why I went. And his dad was the pastor and
the second service, they had a guest preacher in and

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his sermon was on I think it's a passage from
Timothy on how ministers should get a double portion or
something along those lines. I forget the exact first, but
he his whole sermon was on how you should pay
your pastors more because they deserve a double portion, and
talking about how it's okay for him to be driving

(02:08:23):
up in a really nice car and showing off his
bling because pastors to serve a double portion. It's like, man,
you were just playing into the stereotypes here.

Speaker 7 (02:08:32):
And it is.

Speaker 6 (02:08:33):
It is a real problem within the Black Church. Yeah,
it's not great.

Speaker 4 (02:08:37):
Well, I mean there are gospel preachers that do the
same thing, but I guess they're more like hidden about it,
about their true motives, right.

Speaker 6 (02:08:46):
But yeah, I mean, it's not an exclusive problem, but
it is. It is a problem within the Black Church,
and and it really does hurt my heart. I wish that,
I mean, I just I wish that there was into
such a cultural divide.

Speaker 4 (02:09:02):
I'm gonna I'm gonna blame it on this, I'm real talk.
I blame it on the CIA. No, no, no, the
CIA drugs and welfare killed them quite quite literally if
you look, if you look back pre nineteen sixty five,
that black statistics were far like twice as good as
as they are now. They've actually gone downhill since the

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CIA was dropping crack off in black neighborhoods. And you
have the propaganda with like rap music and stuff like
that that destroyed the black family. Oh and access to abortion,
of course, yes, removed responsibility from their actions. Well, Jans

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two hours and nine minutes and we got anything you
want to say before we we wrap this one up.
That's good.

Speaker 6 (02:09:51):
I think Hop and Brock are still going if you
want to Hop over there.

Speaker 4 (02:09:56):
No, I sent it over right before I got Did
you see that I threw a red done over there
before we even started.

Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
Oh no, what are they talking about?

Speaker 23 (02:10:04):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:10:05):
They were talking about when I left. They had Charlie
and they were talking about type of content they like
to watch.

Speaker 1 (02:10:10):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, just.

Speaker 4 (02:10:13):
YouTube stuff fun.

Speaker 1 (02:10:14):
Maybe I'll throw Hop a few bucks for a beer
to uh here.

Speaker 4 (02:10:18):
Yeah, Well, I mean the reason why every time I
see somebody else streaming and they've been on my show,
like and you know, like I have Hop on He's
been on five six times, so I mean he's the reason.
I've gotten a bunch of donations, so I'm glad to
throw them back at him. So that's what I try
and do anytime I see somebody else streaming.

Speaker 6 (02:10:37):
But I've heard will say that coming across Wyatt.

Speaker 1 (02:10:41):
Yeah you've been you're a little quiet.

Speaker 4 (02:10:43):
I bumped you up to one fifty in stream labs.
But I don't know. I don't I don't want to
cause it like Pope.

Speaker 6 (02:10:50):
Maybe I bumped a knob or something. I keep my
stuff in the same setup. But we'll figure it out, all.

Speaker 4 (02:10:57):
Right, all right, guys, gentlemen, close this out of here.

Speaker 6 (02:11:01):
James, Yeah, thanks for everyone being here tonight. And John Christian,
thank you very much. We will see you next Sunday,
if not before.

Speaker 4 (02:11:09):
And God bless Alue. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:11:12):
Have a good night, Jens, good night,