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Denise Jackson (00:00):
So, margie,
thanks for joining me for a
conversation today about theLord.
I'm Denise Jackson, margieCastillo.
I'm going to just start withhow God brought us together.
Yes, which was?
A neat story it is you and meand Alex.
That was like such a fun time.
So we went to a retreat withSarah Thurman Sarah's a coach, a
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creativity coach with SarahThurman, sarah's a coach, a
creativity coach and it was abig step for me to take to go to
a creativity coach first of all, and then another step to go to
this retreat, just because Ikind of think.
I felt like maybe I'm wastingmy time, which is ridiculous,
because God made me a creative,but I did other stuff.
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I was in the business world,you know, and I didn't paint and
I didn't do any of the stuff Iwrote.
But uh, and that's actually howSarah convinced me to go was
because she told me that it'snot just about painting, it's
about creativity and it's foryour writing.
So I did that for almost a yearand then decided to go to that
retreat and at that retreat, thefirst couple hours I ran into
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you and Alex and um, it was likesuch, I mean, for me it was
like wow, the three of us wereinseparable.
After we were right.
Margie Castillo (01:21):
Yes, it was
like we knew each other forever.
Yeah, we just hit it off rightaway.
It was wonderful it was.
It was like we knew each otherforever.
Yeah, we just hit it off rightaway.
Denise Jackson (01:25):
It was wonderful
it was, it was really really
good and it seemed like we werejust in each other's lives for
the perfect things too.
Like you know, alex was goingthrough some stuff and we were
there to kind of help her knowthat she has younger kids and
that she's going to be okay.
And then she was so encouraging, and you were so encouraging to
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me in trying this art, sothat's the first time I wanted
to go and you did great.
Beautiful, beautiful work andthen just feeling free in
worship, which we both, all ofus.
I think Alex got more free inworship, but you and I, we're
worshipers and we had thatchance to worship the Lord
together.
It was a really special time,wasn't it?
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It really was, and I think Ijust want to say to you girls,
that God really does that for us.
He gives us these friendshipsthat we're not expecting, that
build us up in our inner man,where we're like-minded, where
we can agree on things and wecan help each other through.
He doesn't really want us tohave to walk right alone.
Margie Castillo (02:29):
he just, you
know, he wants us to and
sometimes he'll give us a pieceof a story or resolving, and
then, when someone else comes in, you know, then it's kind of
like a puzzle where it fills inthat empty space and that those
answers you know that's it.
Denise Jackson (02:49):
It's like he
brings in the wisdom and the
prophet, prophetic and thatright, and we got some of that
on that trip too.
That was really really good andhe's planted a lot in my heart
and, I know, in your heart, andwe talked about it.
So Margie and I ended updriving down together because
Sarah asked us to do that andthat's how we got to know each
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other.
We spent like two and a halfhours just talking about
everything.
Margie Castillo (03:15):
It was so fun
it was a lot of fun so we got to
know each other intimately.
Denise Jackson (03:19):
We have a
relationship and, you know,
relationship with our father isreally important.
Relationship with people,father is really important.
Relationship with people isimportant because that's how he
feeds into our hearts andspirits.
Margie Castillo (03:30):
Yes.
Denise Jackson (03:31):
And then what's
the three?
Three cords are not easilybroken.
Margie Castillo (03:37):
Right Correct.
Yes, that's just anotherconfirmation.
Denise Jackson (03:41):
Yes, so that's
what we're talking about today.
We're going to talk about whereGod has been in your life and
you were telling me God took youeven as a young child.
He started showing you thingsand I love because you're an
artist.
You are an artist.
Margie Castillo (04:00):
He started
showing you things that were was
textual and had substance, andfor you to notice, like you were
telling me, that you found thisbroken bracelet and describe
that bracelet it was uh, it hada thin, a thin uh thread and it
was white and it had littlepearl beads and a little cross
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and it was broken but it wasstill together where the beads
were not falling off and I waswalking on the track at school
and my sixth grade year and Isaw it and I picked it up and I
held on to that for a long time.
Denise Jackson (04:40):
It was just a
reminder, it was a reminder that
he's with me.
No matter what you're goingthrough, no matter what I'm
going through, even on the trackfield.
Margie Castillo (04:49):
Yeah, it's just
everyday stuff.
Denise Jackson (04:52):
And you I think
it's like you noticed the little
details of that because he hadcreated you to notice those
things early.
I would see the big picture oh,there's broken bracelet.
I may or may not have picked itup, but you saw the detail in
it and you saw the beauty in thedetail and you kept it because
it was a reminder of his love.
Margie Castillo (05:12):
And it's so
funny because I kept it for so
long.
It meant a lot to me because Ifelt like it was from him
directly.
That's so good so good You'remarried, Greg.
I am, he's your husband.
Denise Jackson (05:24):
Greg is my
husband, a wonderful man, yes.
Margie Castillo (05:32):
Was it always
perfect and wonderful when you
were?
No, it wasn't.
It's very interesting becausewhen you have babies and you're
learning, we're learning as wego with the children.
Every once they learn something, you're you're having to learn
something new because of adifferent stage.
Denise Jackson (05:44):
Yes, and that's
true all the way.
It's a learn as you go, yeah,and you've never done it before,
and sometimes you have parentsthat can kind of guide you.
But a lot of times we don'twant our parents to tell us
because we see all the things wethink they did wrong.
I, I mean, it's a common thing,uh, so we're trying to do it
different, but it leaves us kindof hanging out there with not a
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lot of support, and so, yeah,so that's true, and so how did
that affect your marriage?
Margie Castillo (06:12):
Well, we were
both raised different, you know,
he didn't.
He can come and go as hepleased and I had very strict
parents.
My dad was very strict, so thatkind of conflict.
Denise Jackson (06:24):
Yeah, but
Agreeing just on discipline and
things on discipline especiallywhen they get older yeah, you
know how do you handle highschool junior high, high school
boyfriends and you know so, andthen just the separation of
you're spending all your timewith your children and if you're
working which you were, I wasum you come home and you've got
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the just regular chores of thehouse and then on top of you're
supposed to have a relationship,you're supposed to sustain a
relationship, and I think that'sreally hard for the husbands
and the wives and you startgetting in places where you just
let down and you just say Ican't deal with that part of it
Because it's very emotional.
Margie Castillo (07:05):
It is Every
time.
It's very emotional because youlove them Exactly, and it's
also emotional.
It is and it's all time.
It's very emotional because youlove them exactly, and it's
also getting to know each otherand not even knowing that, oh, I
have to figure out who thisperson is, because that's 18
years later.
We all change yeah you knowmature and have different
hobbies yes, possible and umwhen I realized that it's like
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we don't know each other as much.
Denise Jackson (07:28):
You have to
really start dating you know,
get back into that, and you bothhave to have that commitment to
do that.
And faith.
I mean, you know, when we'rewalking in faith, I think that
we then have the default to leanagainst God.
But it takes a while to evenlearn to walk in faith for most
of us me, I felt like that.
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And so when you're not, you'retrusting your own instincts
Exactly, but you're liars.
Margie Castillo (07:56):
Right, right,
they tell you.
Denise Jackson (07:58):
Like I remember
saying things to Lee that really
I never meant.
But I would hold on to stuff solong and then when I could
finally vent, it would just comeout so mean I wish I could take
it all back, but it was comingfrom my own power.
I wasn't trusting God with Lee.
I wasn't trusting God with me.
I was thinking I can do it andhe should be doing it, and he's
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not.
Margie Castillo (08:25):
So he's the
problem, which really I think we
all do some of that.
I mean, you know, maybe it wasboth of us.
Denise Jackson (08:32):
But you know, I
really know I didn't realize
then how much I was.
A problem Same here Because Iwasn't trusting.
Margie Castillo (08:40):
Exactly Same
here and.
Denise Jackson (08:42):
I could only
hear what I was thinking.
That's right.
Yeah, and who's saying that tous?
Satan you're a liar and we'renot listening to you anymore,
but we're and we're hoping toexpose to you girls that when
you hear that crap in your head,seriously it is a lie.
It is a lie and it's not thetruth.
You have got to get back toyour father, you've got to get
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back in his presence and whenyou do, and listen to his word
and speak his word, lives, liveschange, and the first one that
changes is your own.
And, oh my gosh, it just liftsthis heaviness.
It really does.
Margie Castillo (09:18):
And just give
yourself some time, patience
with yourself and your spouse,because I am finding a friend or
a family member, that anotherwoman that can help direct you
with Bible, with scripture.
Denise Jackson (09:33):
Well, and just
support you without telling you.
Like my friend gail oh my goshevery time I was mad at lee
inventing she would point outall the good things about my
husband.
I was such a gift to have herwalk through that with me
because she wouldn't let me goto a place that was demeaning or
ugly for very long.
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Right, so you know againfriendships, friendships, yes,
yes.
So I just want to talk a littlebit before we finish this about
a time when you really werehaving to trust God through some
changes, and you were talkingabout that.
You were working at thecomptroller's office in Texas.
Margie Castillo (10:11):
Right.
Denise Jackson (10:13):
And that had
been going pretty good.
Margie Castillo (10:14):
But then, like
there was a a change in the
leadership and so tell us whathappened um, I felt like God was
telling me that it was time.
It was a good time for me tomove, because there were going
to be a lot of changes thatwould affect a lot of people and
and it it was not going the wayI would want it to go, as far
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as the environment I was workingin at that time.
Denise Jackson (10:41):
So I started
applying and I applied at a job
at Texas Education Agency andjust before that you're saying
you know you were there and youwere feeling like that
environment wasn't good, and Ijust want to say that it's
important that you're in theplace where God wants you to be
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productive.
Margie Castillo (11:03):
You're on a
mission.
Denise Jackson (11:06):
And if you can't
do the things that he's called
you to do, then it's time tomove.
Not in an ugly way.
You aim well, exactly, but yousay do, then it's time to move.
Not in an ugly way you rangewell, exactly but, you say, lord
, is it time to move?
Margie Castillo (11:16):
and then, well,
I actually felt like it was him
telling me.
Yes, that's what I'm yes, and Idid ask and and I was there for
about five years already and II was, I felt, because I was,
you know, communicating with himis should I?
Should I leave, should I go?
Is it time?
And I did get that confirmation.
I said, well, I'm just going toapply for a few jobs and one of
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them happened to be across thestreet, at the Texas Education
Agency, and I ended up gettingthat position for higher wages
it was higher wages, it was apromotion yes, and you ended up
thriving.
I did, I did.
Denise Jackson (11:52):
So he does, and
you know, I could say the same
thing, you could say more,because jobs Right.
He's very faithful in guiding usin our work.
Sometimes you have to bepatient, sometimes you have to
stand.
You don't leave things badly,you leave well, you leave
honorably, you trust him.
But I mean I mean he is gonnaguide you and I'm just gonna
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remind y'all he's not arespecter of persons.
If you do it for margie, if youdo it for denise, he will do it
for you if you will lean in andtrust him.
And that job is so important.
You know, one of the reasons wetalk on easehouse about having
your own company is because yourpriorities are bigger than your
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job.
But in your job he's going touse you to touch so many people,
to be there at the right timein the right place when they
need more than just your workknowledge.
They're going to need somebodyto pray for them, somebody to
hold their hand as they walkthrough something hard, somebody
to be a listening ear or justget them out of the office when
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they're just doing badly orremind them that they're not
alone.
So God does use that and I wantyou to know, if you're in that
situation and you're looking fora job today, god will
faithfully deliver you out ofevery adversity and set you on
solid ground and give you theland.
And, yes, you got the land.
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Yeah, you really had an impactthere.
And you know, I think that withmy jobs, every one of them,
there are a lot you know, andthat experience all has come
together to give us the nextlevel of experience that God's
leading us into Exactly.
So, like we're talking to thesewomen out here of all ages, from
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college age, maybe eventeenagers up through 90, 100
year old women, teenagers upthrough 90, 100 year old women
Do you have something?
Margie Castillo (13:59):
you'd like to
share with them.
Before we finish up thisconversation today, I would say
to give yourself grace and justconstantly read the word around
women that have the wisdom fromgoing through the experiences
that we go through with life,and to spend time with God as
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much as you can.
Seek him first, the kingdom ofGod and everything else will be
added exactly, exactly, um.
Denise Jackson (14:30):
So I'm so
grateful that you joined us
today for this conversation.
You're going to see Margieagain.
She has lots of good stories toshare and, again, why we share
those stories is so that youdon't lose hope.
God does it for us, he does itfor you.
He's faithful and he will notlet you down.
We love you too.
I'm so glad you joined us today, thanks.