August 26, 2025 • 33 mins
What happens when the financial ground beneath your feet suddenly shifts? When paychecks stop coming and insurance unexpectedly terminates? For Ashley Chagnon and her husband Pax, this wasn't a hypothetical scenario but a lived reality that transformed their understanding of God's provision.
Ashley takes us on a compelling journey through their financial awakening, from the early days of marriage when they prioritized furniture payments over tithing to the profound shift that occurred when they began viewing their resources as God's, not their own. Her candid admission that "it took me a long time to accept that the money that came into my life was not my money" resonates with anyone who has struggled to surrender control in this sensitive area.
The heart of this conversation centers on a particularly challenging season when Pax's employer suddenly closed doors, leaving them with an 18-month-old daughter and rapidly dwindling resources. Rather than succumbing to panic, they leaned into practices they had learned through Financial Peace University, holding regular "financial summits" and bringing their seemingly impossible budget before God in prayer. Month after month, unexpected provision arrived just in time, confirming the promise that when we test God in our giving, He truly does "pour out a blessing you cannot contain."
Beyond finances, Ashley shares wisdom gained through raising three children while navigating career transitions, including stepping away from her legal career for ten years to focus on motherhood. Her description of early morning devotions in a tiny closet, where she encountered God's personal love through studying Song of Solomon, offers a beautiful picture of how intimate relationship with Christ becomes the foundation for all other decisions.
Whether you're facing financial uncertainty, weighing career and family priorities, or simply seeking a deeper connection with God, Ashley's parting wisdom resonates: dependence on God is not weakness but freedom. "He will give you the desire and the power to do what pleases Him." Join our community at easesgreenhouse.com and discover how surrendering control transforms every aspect of life.
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Denise Jackson (00:00):
Good morning ladies, I'm so glad you joined
us today.
You are daughters of the King ofKings.
Welcome to Rooted in RisingGrowth.
From the Greenhouse, I'm DeniseJackson and I'm with my friend,
ashley Shagnon, and I'm soexcited to have y'all join us
today.
We're going to be talking aboutseveral things, because this is
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our little conversationtogether, but I feel like we're
going to be focused a little biton trusting God in our finances
, so I'm really glad you're heretoday.
I know he'll bless you throughthis.
So, ashley, we were visitingearlier just about you and Pax
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and how you met and then howyour little path went for your
lives to get equipped to do workright.
So can you just like give usthat little synopsis, because I
think they'll be excited to hearthat?
Ashley Chagnon (01:03):
Yes, so my husband, pax, and I grew up in
Rosalind, new Mexico, togetherand we met in Spanish class in
high school.
I kind of think we was beforethen, but we hadn't really ever
met until we got to high school.
So we went on to college.
We went to different placesfirst and then went to the same
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school.
Eventually we got married afterwe'd finished college and we
didn't really know much abouthandling finances.
My dad gave me some books butwe just kind of were flying by
the seat of our pants a littlebit on that.
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And uh, we lived um in Denver,colorado, when we first got
married.
We began our.
I was going to law school andmy husband had gotten a job in
an architecture firm there andwe were um.
Pax and I had been a believersince I was seven and Pax had
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become a believer at 19.
And so we were following theLord and getting involved in
church and all that kind ofthing and we eventually, through
our church, we had doneFinancial Peace University and
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through our church we had doneFinancial Peace University and
that was kind of where we set uson a path to recognize that it
was God that was our providerand that he was really in charge
of our finances and we had somebumps along the way.
I remember I was telling youabout how we had bought our
first house and we purchasedfurniture on credit and we told
each other and the lord lord,you understand that we're not
tithing right now because wehave to pay off our sofa I
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really love that story.
Denise Jackson (02:57):
we had a sound system.
That was really fun.
Yes, yes, yes it's.
It's the things that we set upthere as our little idols, I
think that we think areperfectly fine.
Yeah, and God's really patientwith us about that kind of stuff
.
Yes, we were just talkingthrough that, like how he lets
us take these steps and figurethings out.
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Take these steps and figurethings out.
His word's right there.
It's the truth, but we're notready to accept the truth until
we are, and so he lets us walkthrough things and suffer a
little bit through our owndecisions and our own choices.
But that was good, that'shilarious.
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We're not going to talk,because that stuff is really
important.
Ashley Chagnon (03:44):
We're not going to talk because that stuff is
really important.
That must have been before wewere doing Financial Peace
University.
Denise Jackson (03:51):
Yes, yeah.
Ashley Chagnon (03:53):
Yeah, we did.
We had other things kind oflike that, where it's like, okay
, well, this is going to be our.
You know, we're purchasingmoney for a community group.
That's going to be our tithe.
Denise Jackson (04:07):
Yeah, it did take us a while to figure out
that.
Okay, the tithe we're going togive to a local church and then
we're going to give gifts andofferings.
What Are you kidding?
It took me a long time toaccept that the money that came
into my life was not my moneyand it wasn't that I earned it.
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It was that God had given methe opportunity to work for Him
and he was blessing me.
Right, that was a hard lesson.
Yeah, you know it took a while.
It took a few steps, yes, butwow, since I have like the
weight that's lifted off of youwhen you realize that it's not
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your responsibility.
Ashley Chagnon (04:51):
Okay, so that's a great lead-in to the season of
uh, kind of a scary time foryou guys yes, so we have begun
to trust the lord more with ourfinances and we would have
financial summits, what we liketo call them, where we would we
had budgeted because we had doneDave Ramsey and we'd had done a
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zero-based budget.
We'd gotten everything down tothat, but we would meet pretty
regularly to see how we weredoing.
And at that point, pax, when wemoved, moved when we were
pregnant with my first child,noel.
We moved to San Marcos where myparents lived and his parents
were nearby also oh, kind ofstepped out, and so we.
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I don't remember exactly howthe job situation worked out,
but he ended up getting a jobwith an architecture firm in
Austin and it was a good job.
It was a very good paying job,but the person that ran the firm
was.
He dreamed big, but he didn'tmanage finance as well.
Denise Jackson (05:55):
Which is a common thing.
We have big dreams, but beingaccountable is a really hard
thing in a lot of people's lives.
But how sometimes you, howsometimes entrepreneurs don't
think about how that's going toimpact the people that work for
them.
Ashley Chagnon (06:13):
And in this situation, that was a big deal.
He ended up having to close hisdoors.
Pax, I think, missed one or twopaychecks and then also he had
not paid our insurance and soour insurance cut off before we
knew it was going to, and so itwas pretty scary.
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We were not sure what was goingto happen.
At the time I was still workingfor the law firm that I worked
for in Colorado.
Thankfully they had kept me onremotely, and so I was still
doing some of the paper part oflitigation, and so we had that
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little bit.
But then Pax was really havingto pound the pavement to figure
out what to do next and he wastrying doing some design work on
the side and somehow he we had.
Noelle was 18 months old at thetime and I remember doing our
financial summits at that time.
Denise Jackson (07:14):
I loved those financial summits and you talked
about you guys praying.
Ashley Chagnon (07:19):
Oh, we did.
We did pray because we werelike Lord, I don't know how
we're going to, we're in the red, I don't know how we're going
to make this work.
So we need your help.
And somehow, every month, wenever had to decide is this
going to get paid or is thisgoing to get paid?
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There was enough.
There was just enough foreverything.
There was just enough foreverything.
You know, a little, a littlebit would come in from a design
job that he had done, or therewould be a um, an escrow, refund
, you know, or something, um,you know, and it just worked.
God made it work and we werefaithful during that time to
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tithe um, our 10 of our income,because we knew that we were
totally dependent on.
Oh, that's god.
Denise Jackson (08:06):
I'm leaving this problem, so the hardest time in
your life, really, and you weretithing at that point, uh,
trusting him, and he didn't letyou down, he doesn't let us down
, he just doesn't.
Ashley Chagnon (08:18):
Well, he makes that promise and that's micah
where he says you know, know,test me in this.
That's the one thing he says.
Denise Jackson (08:24):
I know, see if I don't pour out a blessing you
can't contain.
Ashley Chagnon (08:30):
Yes, he did.
He blessed us and then hesomehow stumbled into a job at
Texas State.
He applied.
He ended up getting one in thedesign in the interior design
program, teaching some of theirdrawing classes there, and he
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did that for about five yearsand that treated us really well.
That's great.
And then he started his own, orwhat happened after that he was
kind of doing his ownsimultaneously, but it was, like
you know, 80% Texas State, 20%Pax's business, and then, you
know, slowly he started to buildup.
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He was in touch.
Denise Jackson (09:15):
So what a gift to be able to start your own
business.
So I you know I talk about thatwith business owners like you
want to be an entrepreneur, keepyour job going and begin to do
the steps to build your business, because really that's the
provision God has for you rightnow.
But he's put that dream in yourheart and so He'll open the
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doors.
He will open the doors to howyou're going to do it, if this
is going to get to be part-timeand you'll go.
And so here's the perfectexample of how he did that with
Pax's life.
That's great.
Ashley Chagnon (09:48):
Yeah, and he moved us here.
When he moved us here, um, wegot connected with our church.
The first day we met one of theoverseers at the time,
katherine duffy oh, I love toget yes.
And she just started talkingwith us and, um, we were a
little bit overdressed for, youknow, because our'm just kind of
casual.
She picked us out as new peopleright away oh, that's funny.
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And um, she, she talked to usfor maybe five minutes and
learned that pax was inarchitecture and I was in law
but planning to stay home.
And, um, she said, I knowexactly the community group you
need to be in.
She put us in community groupwith a group of people who the
husbands were all in some kindof construction related type
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business or, you know, werebusiness owners.
They knew about business andsolid, solid mamas.
You know that I could connectwith.
Denise Jackson (10:46):
Oh, that's awesome.
Ashley Chagnon (10:48):
You know, he learned to talk with people
about how they did business, andthat's us begin to figure out
how to step into his own, and hecontinues to do that, and talk
to people, I still like kind oflaughing, because we went to
mexico last year and pax was outthere doing the construction.
Denise Jackson (11:07):
Then, giving him direction to do the
construction, he'd say oh, no,no, no, but then he would do it
and he was so proud of workingwith his hands.
It's just so great when we getto see our husbands just feel so
fulfilled in something likethat and I enjoyed it, we all
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too.
It was really good.
Yeah, it was good, yeah, goodto see how that was done.
Ashley Chagnon (11:31):
Keeps on the ground.
Denise Jackson (11:32):
And you said that at one point during that
really scary time, pax had goneup to the porch and was drinking
his coffee and just saying Lord, what am I going to do?
You know, I have to trust, youhave to trust you, and I thought
that was good too, because youknow, god has positioned our
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husbands, when they're trustingin Him, to be priests and kings
over our household, and it isthe hardest thing when they feel
like they cannot do the jobthat they were intended to do,
which is make sure that we'resecure, but still, even in that
role, for them, it's aboutdepending on god yeah, and lord,
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he kept him strong.
Ashley Chagnon (12:16):
I mean, I don't remember really.
I guess there were timeswhenever he would confide in me
that he was, you know, feelingum, stressed or whatever.
But most of the time, you know,I guess stressed or whatever,
but most of the time, you know,I guess those morning
conferences with the Lord on theporch really kind of filled him
up and gave him purpose for theday and helped him to walk with
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confidence.
Denise Jackson (12:41):
And you were probably praying for him.
You were praying for yourfamily, of course, but I bet you
were praying, yes and I thinkit was probably during that time
.
Ashley Chagnon (12:49):
I have this thing in my head and I feel like
it must have formed during thattime Just the idea that God
gave men broad shoulders for areason.
You know there's a lot to bear.
Denise Jackson (13:01):
And he gave him good women, because he says,
women pray and kings of armiesflee.
They flee when we pray, and sowe have such.
I mean men have thisresponsibility of carrying this
burden of taking care of theirfamilies.
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Women are called to pray and weare mighty.
We fight battles that theycan't even see.
Satan has to flee.
Take your armies and go,because we're after you and we.
We stay home and divide thespoils right.
I really love that so much.
And that is not a pronouncementthat we don't work.
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We work, we get to work withour hands, but we don't.
When, when our homes areordered by the Lord and both of
us are listening to the Lord, Ifeel like this weight just gets
completely lifted off of us andwe can just trust that God has
this and he's leading ourhusbands in the paths of
righteousness, for His name'ssake and for our good.
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Yes, yeah, that's so good.
So you have three children, Ido.
You have two beautifuldaughters that are the oldest,
and then it ended up with a sonwho is such a boy.
He is so fun and ready forevery adventure.
What a blessing.
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But how was that growing thosekids Like, when you realized you
were responsible for thesechildren.
Is that how you felt?
Ashley Chagnon (14:53):
okay.
And so, um, we, we started offwith noel and I remember telling
a friend who had three kids atthe time how do you do it?
I feel so overwhelmed with justmy one child, and I see you
just kind of going along withyour three.
And she said you know what Ilearned a long time ago and
somebody told me that whateveryou have, you're at capacity.
Oh and oh, that's a greatlesson.
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So you know, you can't look atmy situation and and it's
different, it's just going to bedifferent.
And then you, your capacity,grows along with your family.
That's true, it does, it does.
And so I thought, you know, I'mgoing to space them two years
apart, because my sister and Iare five years apart.
It took a long time for us tobuild a relationship and so I
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wanted my kids to be close rightaway.
But well, the time came where Ishould be moving on to child
number two and I was not readyto have another child yet.
So we waited and had Omri threeand a half years later and she
was much more active andclimbing on things, and you know
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, go get them.
Then Noelle was very calm andthen Levi was a whole nother
level.
That was an interesting storybecause I remember that our
pastor at the time before we hadLevi, we thought you're done.
Well, actually it wasinteresting.
It's funny.
I remember driving home fromthe hospital with Omri and as
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I'm sitting there thinking,feeling like this is not it?
Oh, and I was a little mad.
Denise Jackson (16:31):
Well, yeah, because you just got through
labor.
She was my easiest labor.
Ashley Chagnon (16:35):
Oh that's good.
But yeah, it was interesting.
I was like it's weird that I'mfeeling that way, but our pastor
had had a series at that timeand it was, I guess had had
concepts of legacy, and hetalked about the arrows in your
quiver.
Um, you know, children beingarrows in your quiver and
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sending them out, and and I feellike we that just struck
something in us and we were likewhy not have another one?
You know, why not?
That's kind of what it was.
Denise Jackson (17:07):
yes, and then here comes levi and we thought,
for sure it'd be another girlyeah.
Ashley Chagnon (17:11):
But I went to the ultrasound fax, wasn't even
with me and uh, it's a boy and Iwas like I went and bought a
texas rangers t-shirt more athome to announce to my family.
It was really fun.
It was fun to know that we weregoing to have, we were going to
get to raise a boy.
Denise Jackson (17:30):
I loved, I love.
We have two girls and two boys,and our first, of course, I was
young, young when Jenna, when Iwas pregnant with Jenna and
raising her, I was just still akid and so I felt like I just
made so many mistakes goingthrough that time because I
didn't know anything so I reallywanted another girl.
But then we had two boys righttogether and then we went five
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years and I just thought, okay,we're not having any more kids.
And then when I got pregnantwith her, I almost had a
breakdown because I was like, ohmy gosh, I'm finally going to
school, I'm finally getting todo some things.
Oh, my gosh, that little girl.
It was the most fun because allthe other ones were older and I
just got to spend time withthis little baby.
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And then this little girl andshe always used to tell me I'm
always gonna be with you andshe's not, she's so independent.
But it was a very sweet at thattime of my life to just have
this little girl telling me I'malways gonna be.
Ashley Chagnon (18:33):
Oh, my favorite times were um the you know late
night feedings and changes it'sjust it was quiet and I could
just sit with them.
And I remember, especially withnoel, because she was my first
during her.
You know, after her feedingtime I would sometimes just hold
her and let her take her wholenap in my eyes.
Denise Jackson (18:54):
She's a long napper but jenna was very
peaceful oh, that's awesome.
I don't think that I was thatfar along in my faith that I was
singing and praying over themat that time.
Very, I mean.
It mean it was very my ownthoughts, not God's word or not
thinking about it intentionally,but how I loved each one of
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them.
They were just miracles.
It was just so much fun toraise them up.
Ashley Chagnon (19:24):
Yep, I remember I tell Noelle all the time that
she has amazing hair and Iremember specifically praying
for her hair did you pray forher art talent?
Denise Jackson (19:34):
oh my gosh, that girl is.
I feel like all of y'all aregoing to know about noel one of
these days, but if I ever get myact together, she's going to
illustrate a book for me.
Um, she is just so wise andshe's still in high school.
She's going to be a senior, butshe has wisdom beyond her years
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.
I feel like I'm with a friendwhen I'm with her and I'm 67 and
that girl's 17.
She's a really amazing kid.
All of them are.
Everybody's got art too.
That's awesome, reallyincredible to watch them yeah.
I really enjoyed so much beingwith all of them.
Well, actually, I enjoyed beingwith the girls so much and then
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I would go off on adventureswith the boys in Mexico and we
just had the best time we buy inthe boys.
It was a lot of fun.
It's what they do.
So in your life today, um, areyou feeling like you're in a
good place?
Uh, do you feel like there arethings that, uh, you're you're
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seeking from the lord, thatyou're hoping, and what and how
are you going through that ifyou feel like you are All the?
Ashley Chagnon (20:49):
time.
Yes, I'm still finding myfooting in a career.
I came back to it after a10-year break.
I was working for my firm inDenver, but then, after Omri was
about six months old, I justfelt the Lord call me to stop
completely.
And it was really interestingbecause I just we both had
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prayed about it.
You know, I had both kind ofprayed through it and at the
same time came to therealization, you know, that the
Lord was our provider and thiswas what we needed to do.
And it's kind of scary, but itwas such a wonderful time to get
to be with them.
And so um coming out of thatwas another great thing.
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Just I was at the playground atthe school with levi he's
playing with his baby leaves andum, a woman that I knew through
Mops, I think, was there andher Mops was so good.
Denise Jackson (21:52):
So that's so interesting that you went to
Mops, because my daughter-in-lawthat was such a gift for her
life Just when she neededfriends.
So I guess I'll shout out toMops yes, go for Mops.
It was really great, Equippingtoo it was really good.
Ashley Chagnon (22:05):
It was really great.
Equipping too, it was reallygood.
She mentioned that her husbandwas a lawyer in town and was
really busy and you know, ifyou're looking for work you
might just give him.
You know, give me your card, orno, here's his card.
Give him a call, you know, andtalk with him and see if he
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might have something for you.
And I ended up going in, talkwith him and see if he might
have something for you.
I ended up going in.
I was doing a little bit ofcontract work for my old friend
at the time, which was very kindof them to Be willing to
onboard me back again.
Yeah, but talking with John andgetting the opportunity to do
work here in town was a blessingand it worked out, you know.
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And so I ended up going back towork full time when I leave.
I went into kindergarten and soit was pretty scary because I
had not really been doing muchin the way of keeping up my
skills.
I would say, if you're going totake a break, do something to
keep up your skills a littlemore.
Denise Jackson (23:09):
But, you know, god worked it out.
You had your focus on yourchildren and what a blessing
that you received to be able tofocus on the kids during that
season completely.
And then, as they startedgrowing and you were letting
them go a little bit further inthat little arrow not too far
yet then you had this gift of askill that you could use and he
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opened up the door.
It was a miracle and he doesthat, you know, and he doesn't
just do it for ashley or denise,he's not a respective person.
If your heart is to raise yourchildren, I think I wanted to
say to you god knows your heart.
He gives you the desire to takeyour heart.
If you think it's impossible todo, just start trusting again
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and he will open the doors thatno man can shut.
It will just be an incredibletestimony.
Like Ashley's is, like mine, isfor you too.
Ashley Chagnon (24:08):
Yeah, and I love the way it's really true where
it says he gently guides thosewith young.
You know we struggled with whento start school.
Noelle was an August baby and Iremember specifically praying
about that.
It was time, you know.
She was five and we were like,okay, it's time to start
kindergarten.
And I remember I was on my wayto a play date and just praying
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and a thought just dropped intomy head.
It was like what's your hurry?
And I was like I don't know, Idon't know.
And I was like I don't know, Idon't know, and I was just
thinking about that all duringthat play date, you know.
And then I got home and I toldPax, I was like you know, I have
this thought drop in my headtoday.
I think I might be saying weshould wait to send Noel to
kindergarten.
And he was like you know what?
I was just talking to someclients today and they said they
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waited and so we waited foranother year and it was the best
thing for her and it made iteasier.
When Omri was not, she wasright at the perfect time, there
was no question about her.
But then Levi again was anAugust baby and it was easier.
You know, I did talk toteachers and things like that at
that time, but it was a littleeasier to be like it's going to
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be okay.
Yes, we wait yes, fine.
Denise Jackson (25:19):
and then you got that one more year with Levi
too, which was your last, sothat was such a blessing too.
Ashley Chagnon (25:23):
It was really good and I loved how he would
guide us in that and he gave meduring that season I had such
incredible I would get up reallyearly.
I went through a season where Iremember specifically telling
Pax I know that there's more in.
I went through a season where Iremember specifically telling
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Pax I want, I know that there'smore in the Lord for me and I
want your blessing to seek itout.
You know I want, I really wantmore.
He's like I don't know what youmean, but sure I love that and
I just knew that he had more forme and he wanted me to search
it out and I was.
I went and searched out somewomen that I knew that he had
more for me and he wanted me tosearch it out and I was, um, I
went and searched out some womenthat I knew that I felt like
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were operating and and what Iwanted, um, and it was so
beautiful and I would.
During that season I would getup really early.
I remember beth moore said youknow if I knew that if I was
going to have any victory in aday, I had to get up before my
kids.
Denise Jackson (26:19):
Yes, yeah, and that was hard, because they do
get up early in there, or theydon't, and you're having to get
them up, so you just feel like,oh my gosh, this is a long day,
yeah.
Ashley Chagnon (26:30):
But then I'm super early.
I got up at like four and wouldget in my closet, the
downstairs closet.
My mother-in-law was reallykind to help me, um, like, get
an alpha system in there.
So it was super organized.
Oh, it was teeny tiny.
Yeah, it was wonderful.
I would get in there and do myquiet time.
Oh, that's great.
And he led me through a seasonof um studying the song of
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solomon, verse by verse, fromthe spiritual perspective.
I, I love that and Iencountered the love of Jesus
for me, for me personally, in away that I never had before and
it was incredible.
I mean, he just lit me upinside and it was like that
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honeymoon time where believerswho are older, who have gone
through a lot, maybe have aradical encounter with the Lord,
will, you know, begin to talkabout God.
And it was like that, you know,yes, and it was so incredible
and I got to have that, you know, before I went back to work and
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to enjoy it for a couple ofyears before I went back to work
and to enjoy it for a couple ofyears.
Denise Jackson (27:42):
And, you know, I told you like, in this time of
my life, in the last few 20years of just waking up and like
before I even wake up, I hearhim, and so then I just stay
there and we can have some timetogether and it is like, and
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then, you know, usually get likewe'll open up the word because
I'll have my phone with my Bibleapp and then I write, and all
of that has become like justthis cadence that makes my days
so amazing.
Yeah, you know, then I justtrust, like, okay, whoever I
meet today, whatever happenstoday, you've got a plan and
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you're just using me and I lovethat so much.
So, yeah, that's a good thingfor you all to know, to just
dedicate some time.
And the first of your day is soeasy because there's no
distractions yet To give to theLord.
It'll change your life, it'lljust change your life.
Ashley Chagnon (28:47):
I still do that.
It's a lot shorter than itshould.
Denise Jackson (28:50):
That's what I was saying.
Sometimes it's just a fewminutes and he doesn't have a
rule about that.
It's just like I just grab ontoonto his hand.
That's what I feel.
Like I'm grabbing onto his hand, saying, okay, let's not do
anything today.
Let's not do anything todaywithout you holding my hand,
because I am not that smart youare.
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You lead me, yeah, and it justchanges the way that I walk and
like when, when words are saidthat might have offended me in
the past, now I see hurt insomebody.
It's like there's so manythings.
There's so many things.
We could talk about thatforever, but you just see
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differently because you'reseeing through his eyes instead
of your own.
So that's good.
Okay, so we're at the end ofour conversation.
I hate that, but I always ask,like if there's something you
could, a bit of wisdom that youcould give to these younger
sisters that are out there thatare walking with the Lord.
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What's one thing that you wouldsay to them, either about
finances or child raising orjust being God's daughter.
What would you say?
And you can just look at thecamera.
Ashley Chagnon (30:04):
I think the main thing that God's been teaching
me in this season is to bedependent on him, and it is a
gift, it is a release, it isfreedom to know that God leads
you and he does the doing.
One of my favorite verses isthat he will give you the desire
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and the power to do whatpleases Him.
And that is so freeing becauseit's not on me.
If it were, oh, that would be,that would not be good, it would
be bent over right, it would behard, and it is hard still, but
that surrender is, it's morefreeing than you know.
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Just to get yeah, find time tojust get in front of the Lord
and release whatever it isyou're worried about to Him and
just grab onto Him and trustthat he's going to bring you
through, big or small, justevery little thing.
That's what he's teaching methis season.
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Just depend on me.
Depend on me if you don't knowthe answer to the question.
Depend on me if you don't havethe finances.
Depend on me if me If you don'thave the finances.
Depend on me If you're worriedabout whether this kid is going
to follow me.
You know he is in all of it.
Denise Jackson (31:28):
Amen.
That was so good, ashley.
We really have struggled tofind a spot because both of us
have been so busy to have thisconversation, and I know it's
going to bless y'all.
I'm so grateful, father.
I just thank you for giving usthis time today and I ask you to
give that wisdom wings in thelives of these women who are
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listening today, your daughters.
I know you have good things forthem today.
I know that you will teach themmore about trusting in you and
leaning into you and letting youguide their day, and I know
that it'll be a reallyproductive, awesome day, thank
you.
Thank you for joining Rootedand Rising Girls from the
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Greenhouse every Tuesday.
Now we have a new podcastcoming out, so I hope you'll go
out there and find us and go toeasegreenhousecom and join our
community, and who knows whatGod's going to do with us.
We love you and God bless you.
Good morning ladies, I'm so glad you joined
us today.
You are daughters of the King ofKings.
Welcome to Rooted in RisingGrowth.
From the Greenhouse, I'm DeniseJackson and I'm with my friend,
ashley Shagnon, and I'm soexcited to have y'all join us
today.
We're going to be talking aboutseveral things, because this is
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our little conversationtogether, but I feel like we're
going to be focused a little biton trusting God in our finances
, so I'm really glad you're heretoday.
I know he'll bless you throughthis.
So, ashley, we were visitingearlier just about you and Pax
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and how you met and then howyour little path went for your
lives to get equipped to do workright.
So can you just like give usthat little synopsis, because I
think they'll be excited to hearthat?
Ashley Chagnon (01:03):
Yes, so my husband, pax, and I grew up in
Rosalind, new Mexico, togetherand we met in Spanish class in
high school.
I kind of think we was beforethen, but we hadn't really ever
met until we got to high school.
So we went on to college.
We went to different placesfirst and then went to the same
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school.
Eventually we got married afterwe'd finished college and we
didn't really know much abouthandling finances.
My dad gave me some books butwe just kind of were flying by
the seat of our pants a littlebit on that.
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And uh, we lived um in Denver,colorado, when we first got
married.
We began our.
I was going to law school andmy husband had gotten a job in
an architecture firm there andwe were um.
Pax and I had been a believersince I was seven and Pax had
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become a believer at 19.
And so we were following theLord and getting involved in
church and all that kind ofthing and we eventually, through
our church, we had doneFinancial Peace University and
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through our church we had doneFinancial Peace University and
that was kind of where we set uson a path to recognize that it
was God that was our providerand that he was really in charge
of our finances and we had somebumps along the way.
I remember I was telling youabout how we had bought our
first house and we purchasedfurniture on credit and we told
each other and the lord lord,you understand that we're not
tithing right now because wehave to pay off our sofa I
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really love that story.
Denise Jackson (02:57):
we had a sound system.
That was really fun.
Yes, yes, yes it's.
It's the things that we set upthere as our little idols, I
think that we think areperfectly fine.
Yeah, and God's really patientwith us about that kind of stuff
.
Yes, we were just talkingthrough that, like how he lets
us take these steps and figurethings out.
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Take these steps and figurethings out.
His word's right there.
It's the truth, but we're notready to accept the truth until
we are, and so he lets us walkthrough things and suffer a
little bit through our owndecisions and our own choices.
But that was good, that'shilarious.
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We're not going to talk,because that stuff is really
important.
Ashley Chagnon (03:44):
We're not going to talk because that stuff is
really important.
That must have been before wewere doing Financial Peace
University.
Denise Jackson (03:51):
Yes, yeah.
Ashley Chagnon (03:53):
Yeah, we did.
We had other things kind oflike that, where it's like, okay
, well, this is going to be our.
You know, we're purchasingmoney for a community group.
That's going to be our tithe.
Denise Jackson (04:07):
Yeah, it did take us a while to figure out
that.
Okay, the tithe we're going togive to a local church and then
we're going to give gifts andofferings.
What Are you kidding?
It took me a long time toaccept that the money that came
into my life was not my moneyand it wasn't that I earned it.
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It was that God had given methe opportunity to work for Him
and he was blessing me.
Right, that was a hard lesson.
Yeah, you know it took a while.
It took a few steps, yes, butwow, since I have like the
weight that's lifted off of youwhen you realize that it's not
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your responsibility.
Ashley Chagnon (04:51):
Okay, so that's a great lead-in to the season of
uh, kind of a scary time foryou guys yes, so we have begun
to trust the lord more with ourfinances and we would have
financial summits, what we liketo call them, where we would we
had budgeted because we had doneDave Ramsey and we'd had done a
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zero-based budget.
We'd gotten everything down tothat, but we would meet pretty
regularly to see how we weredoing.
And at that point, pax, when wemoved, moved when we were
pregnant with my first child,noel.
We moved to San Marcos where myparents lived and his parents
were nearby also oh, kind ofstepped out, and so we.
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I don't remember exactly howthe job situation worked out,
but he ended up getting a jobwith an architecture firm in
Austin and it was a good job.
It was a very good paying job,but the person that ran the firm
was.
He dreamed big, but he didn'tmanage finance as well.
Denise Jackson (05:55):
Which is a common thing.
We have big dreams, but beingaccountable is a really hard
thing in a lot of people's lives.
But how sometimes you, howsometimes entrepreneurs don't
think about how that's going toimpact the people that work for
them.
Ashley Chagnon (06:13):
And in this situation, that was a big deal.
He ended up having to close hisdoors.
Pax, I think, missed one or twopaychecks and then also he had
not paid our insurance and soour insurance cut off before we
knew it was going to, and so itwas pretty scary.
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We were not sure what was goingto happen.
At the time I was still workingfor the law firm that I worked
for in Colorado.
Thankfully they had kept me onremotely, and so I was still
doing some of the paper part oflitigation, and so we had that
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little bit.
But then Pax was really havingto pound the pavement to figure
out what to do next and he wastrying doing some design work on
the side and somehow he we had.
Noelle was 18 months old at thetime and I remember doing our
financial summits at that time.
Denise Jackson (07:14):
I loved those financial summits and you talked
about you guys praying.
Ashley Chagnon (07:19):
Oh, we did.
We did pray because we werelike Lord, I don't know how
we're going to, we're in the red, I don't know how we're going
to make this work.
So we need your help.
And somehow, every month, wenever had to decide is this
going to get paid or is thisgoing to get paid?
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There was enough.
There was just enough foreverything.
There was just enough foreverything.
You know, a little, a littlebit would come in from a design
job that he had done, or therewould be a um, an escrow, refund
, you know, or something, um,you know, and it just worked.
God made it work and we werefaithful during that time to
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tithe um, our 10 of our income,because we knew that we were
totally dependent on.
Oh, that's god.
Denise Jackson (08:06):
I'm leaving this problem, so the hardest time in
your life, really, and you weretithing at that point, uh,
trusting him, and he didn't letyou down, he doesn't let us down
, he just doesn't.
Ashley Chagnon (08:18):
Well, he makes that promise and that's micah
where he says you know, know,test me in this.
That's the one thing he says.
Denise Jackson (08:24):
I know, see if I don't pour out a blessing you
can't contain.
Ashley Chagnon (08:30):
Yes, he did.
He blessed us and then hesomehow stumbled into a job at
Texas State.
He applied.
He ended up getting one in thedesign in the interior design
program, teaching some of theirdrawing classes there, and he
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did that for about five yearsand that treated us really well.
That's great.
And then he started his own, orwhat happened after that he was
kind of doing his ownsimultaneously, but it was, like
you know, 80% Texas State, 20%Pax's business, and then, you
know, slowly he started to buildup.
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He was in touch.
Denise Jackson (09:15):
So what a gift to be able to start your own
business.
So I you know I talk about thatwith business owners like you
want to be an entrepreneur, keepyour job going and begin to do
the steps to build your business, because really that's the
provision God has for you rightnow.
But he's put that dream in yourheart and so He'll open the
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doors.
He will open the doors to howyou're going to do it, if this
is going to get to be part-timeand you'll go.
And so here's the perfectexample of how he did that with
Pax's life.
That's great.
Ashley Chagnon (09:48):
Yeah, and he moved us here.
When he moved us here, um, wegot connected with our church.
The first day we met one of theoverseers at the time,
katherine duffy oh, I love toget yes.
And she just started talkingwith us and, um, we were a
little bit overdressed for, youknow, because our'm just kind of
casual.
She picked us out as new peopleright away oh, that's funny.
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And um, she, she talked to usfor maybe five minutes and
learned that pax was inarchitecture and I was in law
but planning to stay home.
And, um, she said, I knowexactly the community group you
need to be in.
She put us in community groupwith a group of people who the
husbands were all in some kindof construction related type
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business or, you know, werebusiness owners.
They knew about business andsolid, solid mamas.
You know that I could connectwith.
Denise Jackson (10:46):
Oh, that's awesome.
Ashley Chagnon (10:48):
You know, he learned to talk with people
about how they did business, andthat's us begin to figure out
how to step into his own, and hecontinues to do that, and talk
to people, I still like kind oflaughing, because we went to
mexico last year and pax was outthere doing the construction.
Denise Jackson (11:07):
Then, giving him direction to do the
construction, he'd say oh, no,no, no, but then he would do it
and he was so proud of workingwith his hands.
It's just so great when we getto see our husbands just feel so
fulfilled in something likethat and I enjoyed it, we all
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too.
It was really good.
Yeah, it was good, yeah, goodto see how that was done.
Ashley Chagnon (11:31):
Keeps on the ground.
Denise Jackson (11:32):
And you said that at one point during that
really scary time, pax had goneup to the porch and was drinking
his coffee and just saying Lord, what am I going to do?
You know, I have to trust, youhave to trust you, and I thought
that was good too, because youknow, god has positioned our
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husbands, when they're trustingin Him, to be priests and kings
over our household, and it isthe hardest thing when they feel
like they cannot do the jobthat they were intended to do,
which is make sure that we'resecure, but still, even in that
role, for them, it's aboutdepending on god yeah, and lord,
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he kept him strong.
Ashley Chagnon (12:16):
I mean, I don't remember really.
I guess there were timeswhenever he would confide in me
that he was, you know, feelingum, stressed or whatever.
But most of the time, you know,I guess stressed or whatever,
but most of the time, you know,I guess those morning
conferences with the Lord on theporch really kind of filled him
up and gave him purpose for theday and helped him to walk with
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confidence.
Denise Jackson (12:41):
And you were probably praying for him.
You were praying for yourfamily, of course, but I bet you
were praying, yes and I thinkit was probably during that time
.
Ashley Chagnon (12:49):
I have this thing in my head and I feel like
it must have formed during thattime Just the idea that God
gave men broad shoulders for areason.
You know there's a lot to bear.
Denise Jackson (13:01):
And he gave him good women, because he says,
women pray and kings of armiesflee.
They flee when we pray, and sowe have such.
I mean men have thisresponsibility of carrying this
burden of taking care of theirfamilies.
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Women are called to pray and weare mighty.
We fight battles that theycan't even see.
Satan has to flee.
Take your armies and go,because we're after you and we.
We stay home and divide thespoils right.
I really love that so much.
And that is not a pronouncementthat we don't work.
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We work, we get to work withour hands, but we don't.
When, when our homes areordered by the Lord and both of
us are listening to the Lord, Ifeel like this weight just gets
completely lifted off of us andwe can just trust that God has
this and he's leading ourhusbands in the paths of
righteousness, for His name'ssake and for our good.
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Yes, yeah, that's so good.
So you have three children, Ido.
You have two beautifuldaughters that are the oldest,
and then it ended up with a sonwho is such a boy.
He is so fun and ready forevery adventure.
What a blessing.
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But how was that growing thosekids Like, when you realized you
were responsible for thesechildren.
Is that how you felt?
Ashley Chagnon (14:53):
okay.
And so, um, we, we started offwith noel and I remember telling
a friend who had three kids atthe time how do you do it?
I feel so overwhelmed with justmy one child, and I see you
just kind of going along withyour three.
And she said you know what Ilearned a long time ago and
somebody told me that whateveryou have, you're at capacity.
Oh and oh, that's a greatlesson.
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So you know, you can't look atmy situation and and it's
different, it's just going to bedifferent.
And then you, your capacity,grows along with your family.
That's true, it does, it does.
And so I thought, you know, I'mgoing to space them two years
apart, because my sister and Iare five years apart.
It took a long time for us tobuild a relationship and so I
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wanted my kids to be close rightaway.
But well, the time came where Ishould be moving on to child
number two and I was not readyto have another child yet.
So we waited and had Omri threeand a half years later and she
was much more active andclimbing on things, and you know
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, go get them.
Then Noelle was very calm andthen Levi was a whole nother
level.
That was an interesting storybecause I remember that our
pastor at the time before we hadLevi, we thought you're done.
Well, actually it wasinteresting.
It's funny.
I remember driving home fromthe hospital with Omri and as
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I'm sitting there thinking,feeling like this is not it?
Oh, and I was a little mad.
Denise Jackson (16:31):
Well, yeah, because you just got through
labor.
She was my easiest labor.
Ashley Chagnon (16:35):
Oh that's good.
But yeah, it was interesting.
I was like it's weird that I'mfeeling that way, but our pastor
had had a series at that timeand it was, I guess had had
concepts of legacy, and hetalked about the arrows in your
quiver.
Um, you know, children beingarrows in your quiver and
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sending them out, and and I feellike we that just struck
something in us and we were likewhy not have another one?
You know, why not?
That's kind of what it was.
Denise Jackson (17:07):
yes, and then here comes levi and we thought,
for sure it'd be another girlyeah.
Ashley Chagnon (17:11):
But I went to the ultrasound fax, wasn't even
with me and uh, it's a boy and Iwas like I went and bought a
texas rangers t-shirt more athome to announce to my family.
It was really fun.
It was fun to know that we weregoing to have, we were going to
get to raise a boy.
Denise Jackson (17:30):
I loved, I love.
We have two girls and two boys,and our first, of course, I was
young, young when Jenna, when Iwas pregnant with Jenna and
raising her, I was just still akid and so I felt like I just
made so many mistakes goingthrough that time because I
didn't know anything so I reallywanted another girl.
But then we had two boys righttogether and then we went five
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years and I just thought, okay,we're not having any more kids.
And then when I got pregnantwith her, I almost had a
breakdown because I was like, ohmy gosh, I'm finally going to
school, I'm finally getting todo some things.
Oh, my gosh, that little girl.
It was the most fun because allthe other ones were older and I
just got to spend time withthis little baby.
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And then this little girl andshe always used to tell me I'm
always gonna be with you andshe's not, she's so independent.
But it was a very sweet at thattime of my life to just have
this little girl telling me I'malways gonna be.
Ashley Chagnon (18:33):
Oh, my favorite times were um the you know late
night feedings and changes it'sjust it was quiet and I could
just sit with them.
And I remember, especially withnoel, because she was my first
during her.
You know, after her feedingtime I would sometimes just hold
her and let her take her wholenap in my eyes.
Denise Jackson (18:54):
She's a long napper but jenna was very
peaceful oh, that's awesome.
I don't think that I was thatfar along in my faith that I was
singing and praying over themat that time.
Very, I mean.
It mean it was very my ownthoughts, not God's word or not
thinking about it intentionally,but how I loved each one of
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them.
They were just miracles.
It was just so much fun toraise them up.
Ashley Chagnon (19:24):
Yep, I remember I tell Noelle all the time that
she has amazing hair and Iremember specifically praying
for her hair did you pray forher art talent?
Denise Jackson (19:34):
oh my gosh, that girl is.
I feel like all of y'all aregoing to know about noel one of
these days, but if I ever get myact together, she's going to
illustrate a book for me.
Um, she is just so wise andshe's still in high school.
She's going to be a senior, butshe has wisdom beyond her years
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.
I feel like I'm with a friendwhen I'm with her and I'm 67 and
that girl's 17.
She's a really amazing kid.
All of them are.
Everybody's got art too.
That's awesome, reallyincredible to watch them yeah.
I really enjoyed so much beingwith all of them.
Well, actually, I enjoyed beingwith the girls so much and then
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I would go off on adventureswith the boys in Mexico and we
just had the best time we buy inthe boys.
It was a lot of fun.
It's what they do.
So in your life today, um, areyou feeling like you're in a
good place?
Uh, do you feel like there arethings that, uh, you're you're
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seeking from the lord, thatyou're hoping, and what and how
are you going through that ifyou feel like you are All the?
Ashley Chagnon (20:49):
time.
Yes, I'm still finding myfooting in a career.
I came back to it after a10-year break.
I was working for my firm inDenver, but then, after Omri was
about six months old, I justfelt the Lord call me to stop
completely.
And it was really interestingbecause I just we both had
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prayed about it.
You know, I had both kind ofprayed through it and at the
same time came to therealization, you know, that the
Lord was our provider and thiswas what we needed to do.
And it's kind of scary, but itwas such a wonderful time to get
to be with them.
And so um coming out of thatwas another great thing.
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Just I was at the playground atthe school with levi he's
playing with his baby leaves andum, a woman that I knew through
Mops, I think, was there andher Mops was so good.
Denise Jackson (21:52):
So that's so interesting that you went to
Mops, because my daughter-in-lawthat was such a gift for her
life Just when she neededfriends.
So I guess I'll shout out toMops yes, go for Mops.
It was really great, Equippingtoo it was really good.
Ashley Chagnon (22:05):
It was really great.
Equipping too, it was reallygood.
She mentioned that her husbandwas a lawyer in town and was
really busy and you know, ifyou're looking for work you
might just give him.
You know, give me your card, orno, here's his card.
Give him a call, you know, andtalk with him and see if he
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might have something for you.
And I ended up going in, talkwith him and see if he might
have something for you.
I ended up going in.
I was doing a little bit ofcontract work for my old friend
at the time, which was very kindof them to Be willing to
onboard me back again.
Yeah, but talking with John andgetting the opportunity to do
work here in town was a blessingand it worked out, you know.
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And so I ended up going back towork full time when I leave.
I went into kindergarten and soit was pretty scary because I
had not really been doing muchin the way of keeping up my
skills.
I would say, if you're going totake a break, do something to
keep up your skills a littlemore.
Denise Jackson (23:09):
But, you know, god worked it out.
You had your focus on yourchildren and what a blessing
that you received to be able tofocus on the kids during that
season completely.
And then, as they startedgrowing and you were letting
them go a little bit further inthat little arrow not too far
yet then you had this gift of askill that you could use and he
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opened up the door.
It was a miracle and he doesthat, you know, and he doesn't
just do it for ashley or denise,he's not a respective person.
If your heart is to raise yourchildren, I think I wanted to
say to you god knows your heart.
He gives you the desire to takeyour heart.
If you think it's impossible todo, just start trusting again
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and he will open the doors thatno man can shut.
It will just be an incredibletestimony.
Like Ashley's is, like mine, isfor you too.
Ashley Chagnon (24:08):
Yeah, and I love the way it's really true where
it says he gently guides thosewith young.
You know we struggled with whento start school.
Noelle was an August baby and Iremember specifically praying
about that.
It was time, you know.
She was five and we were like,okay, it's time to start
kindergarten.
And I remember I was on my wayto a play date and just praying
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and a thought just dropped intomy head.
It was like what's your hurry?
And I was like I don't know, Idon't know.
And I was like I don't know, Idon't know, and I was just
thinking about that all duringthat play date, you know.
And then I got home and I toldPax, I was like you know, I have
this thought drop in my headtoday.
I think I might be saying weshould wait to send Noel to
kindergarten.
And he was like you know what?
I was just talking to someclients today and they said they
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waited and so we waited foranother year and it was the best
thing for her and it made iteasier.
When Omri was not, she wasright at the perfect time, there
was no question about her.
But then Levi again was anAugust baby and it was easier.
You know, I did talk toteachers and things like that at
that time, but it was a littleeasier to be like it's going to
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be okay.
Yes, we wait yes, fine.
Denise Jackson (25:19):
and then you got that one more year with Levi
too, which was your last, sothat was such a blessing too.
Ashley Chagnon (25:23):
It was really good and I loved how he would
guide us in that and he gave meduring that season I had such
incredible I would get up reallyearly.
I went through a season where Iremember specifically telling
Pax I know that there's more in.
I went through a season where Iremember specifically telling
(25:45):
Pax I want, I know that there'smore in the Lord for me and I
want your blessing to seek itout.
You know I want, I really wantmore.
He's like I don't know what youmean, but sure I love that and
I just knew that he had more forme and he wanted me to search
it out and I was.
I went and searched out somewomen that I knew that he had
more for me and he wanted me tosearch it out and I was, um, I
went and searched out some womenthat I knew that I felt like
(26:05):
were operating and and what Iwanted, um, and it was so
beautiful and I would.
During that season I would getup really early.
I remember beth moore said youknow if I knew that if I was
going to have any victory in aday, I had to get up before my
kids.
Denise Jackson (26:19):
Yes, yeah, and that was hard, because they do
get up early in there, or theydon't, and you're having to get
them up, so you just feel like,oh my gosh, this is a long day,
yeah.
Ashley Chagnon (26:30):
But then I'm super early.
I got up at like four and wouldget in my closet, the
downstairs closet.
My mother-in-law was reallykind to help me, um, like, get
an alpha system in there.
So it was super organized.
Oh, it was teeny tiny.
Yeah, it was wonderful.
I would get in there and do myquiet time.
Oh, that's great.
And he led me through a seasonof um studying the song of
(26:53):
solomon, verse by verse, fromthe spiritual perspective.
I, I love that and Iencountered the love of Jesus
for me, for me personally, in away that I never had before and
it was incredible.
I mean, he just lit me upinside and it was like that
(27:14):
honeymoon time where believerswho are older, who have gone
through a lot, maybe have aradical encounter with the Lord,
will, you know, begin to talkabout God.
And it was like that, you know,yes, and it was so incredible
and I got to have that, you know, before I went back to work and
(27:36):
to enjoy it for a couple ofyears before I went back to work
and to enjoy it for a couple ofyears.
Denise Jackson (27:42):
And, you know, I told you like, in this time of
my life, in the last few 20years of just waking up and like
before I even wake up, I hearhim, and so then I just stay
there and we can have some timetogether and it is like, and
(28:03):
then, you know, usually get likewe'll open up the word because
I'll have my phone with my Bibleapp and then I write, and all
of that has become like justthis cadence that makes my days
so amazing.
Yeah, you know, then I justtrust, like, okay, whoever I
meet today, whatever happenstoday, you've got a plan and
(28:26):
you're just using me and I lovethat so much.
So, yeah, that's a good thingfor you all to know, to just
dedicate some time.
And the first of your day is soeasy because there's no
distractions yet To give to theLord.
It'll change your life, it'lljust change your life.
Ashley Chagnon (28:47):
I still do that.
It's a lot shorter than itshould.
Denise Jackson (28:50):
That's what I was saying.
Sometimes it's just a fewminutes and he doesn't have a
rule about that.
It's just like I just grab ontoonto his hand.
That's what I feel.
Like I'm grabbing onto his hand, saying, okay, let's not do
anything today.
Let's not do anything todaywithout you holding my hand,
because I am not that smart youare.
(29:11):
You lead me, yeah, and it justchanges the way that I walk and
like when, when words are saidthat might have offended me in
the past, now I see hurt insomebody.
It's like there's so manythings.
There's so many things.
We could talk about thatforever, but you just see
(29:32):
differently because you'reseeing through his eyes instead
of your own.
So that's good.
Okay, so we're at the end ofour conversation.
I hate that, but I always ask,like if there's something you
could, a bit of wisdom that youcould give to these younger
sisters that are out there thatare walking with the Lord.
(29:55):
What's one thing that you wouldsay to them, either about
finances or child raising orjust being God's daughter.
What would you say?
And you can just look at thecamera.
Ashley Chagnon (30:04):
I think the main thing that God's been teaching
me in this season is to bedependent on him, and it is a
gift, it is a release, it isfreedom to know that God leads
you and he does the doing.
One of my favorite verses isthat he will give you the desire
(30:29):
and the power to do whatpleases Him.
And that is so freeing becauseit's not on me.
If it were, oh, that would be,that would not be good, it would
be bent over right, it would behard, and it is hard still, but
that surrender is, it's morefreeing than you know.
(30:53):
Just to get yeah, find time tojust get in front of the Lord
and release whatever it isyou're worried about to Him and
just grab onto Him and trustthat he's going to bring you
through, big or small, justevery little thing.
That's what he's teaching methis season.
(31:13):
Just depend on me.
Depend on me if you don't knowthe answer to the question.
Depend on me if you don't havethe finances.
Depend on me if me If you don'thave the finances.
Depend on me If you're worriedabout whether this kid is going
to follow me.
You know he is in all of it.
Denise Jackson (31:28):
Amen.
That was so good, ashley.
We really have struggled tofind a spot because both of us
have been so busy to have thisconversation, and I know it's
going to bless y'all.
I'm so grateful, father.
I just thank you for giving usthis time today and I ask you to
give that wisdom wings in thelives of these women who are
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listening today, your daughters.
I know you have good things forthem today.
I know that you will teach themmore about trusting in you and
leaning into you and letting youguide their day, and I know
that it'll be a reallyproductive, awesome day, thank
you.
Thank you for joining Rootedand Rising Girls from the
(32:16):
Greenhouse every Tuesday.
Now we have a new podcastcoming out, so I hope you'll go
out there and find us and go toeasegreenhousecom and join our
community, and who knows whatGod's going to do with us.
We love you and God bless you.
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