Conversation with Marsha Oliver - The Power of Presence, Purpose & Public Relations

What does true representation look like in spaces where you're not expected? Marsha Oliver, Senior Vice President of Community and Public Engagement at the PGA Tour, takes us on a journey that challenges conventional thinking about career paths, community impact, and authentic leadership.

Tia Leathers and Ronnie King join Marsha in a conversation as Oliver recounts her life-changing experience in South Africa just two years after apartheid ended, the philosophy that guided her controversial decision to serve as spokesperson for Republican Mayor Lenny Curry and how she's helping direct a $100 million commitment from the PGA Tour to underrepresented communities.

Between heartfelt stories about generational differences in approaching discrimination and candid reflections on the current "crisis" surrounding DEI initiatives, Oliver leaves us with a message that resonates with anyone who's ever felt like an outsider yet chosen to show up anyway: "Your biggest accomplishment is the ability to be yourself in a world that is trying to make you someone else."

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hey, hey, good morning.
How are you, good, good, howare you.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Doing pretty well.
How about you?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Can't complain.
Can't complain, it's Friday.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, a little bit.
It's a little bit Friday whenyou got a big agenda and a long
day.
It's not capital F Friday, it'slowercase f Friday.
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Hey, miss Tia, hey, Marsha, how are you?
Good, good, good, good.
I'm glad that you're here.
You know that we spoke with DrCole last week.
Dr Dr Cole and Ronnie had theaudacity to tell her that he had
to beg me to allow us to talkto her because she was a Delta.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
So how did that podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
She knew I was joking .
She had a.
She got a good laugh out of it,you know what I'm saying.
She knew I was joking.
She got a good laugh out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I did.
I listened to Tony Hill'spodcast and I heard there was a
lot of deltas and kappas andomegas and my son-in-law a kappa
.
I mean it was, it was a lot ofthat going on, so I'm not
surprised yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, how did she receivethat?
Oh, she loved it, and she callsme her sister in Greekdom.
Anyway, she doesn't care.
She said we can't joke inGreekdom.
What can we do?
What do we have?
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
One of my prize positions is a photo of me and
Nikki Giovanni.
Um, she was doing the deltasign and I was doing the pinky.
Um, that's, and that's one ofmy favorites because I think
that was her sentiment.
I came to be petty but, um, youknow, she, she let me know,
like hey, no, we're all sistersthat's right.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
That's right.
I mean, one of us startedbefore the other, but sisters
nonetheless, that's right, hey.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Originators, not duplicators, say hey, hey, hey.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
I'm just a bystander.
I ain't gonna defend nobody,I'm just gonna sit here and
listen.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Stay out of it.
Well, marsha, we know you are abusy woman and I have your bio
here.
I have used chat GPT before topull up people's bios, so I'm
curious if you've ever triedthat.
Put your name in there to seewhat it says.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I have not.
I heard y'all.
I heard that y'all did thatwith Tony Hill, so I'm
interested to see how it comesout.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Yeah, actually I will try it.
And then we'll see if we like it.
Fine, if we don't, we're justgoing to read the real bio.
Ok, so scratch for EDUlisteners.
Here we are back again tryingto see what chat GPT will give
us, this time about MarshallGardner.
Oliver, did I say that?

(03:26):
Right?
You did Perfect, okay.
Marsha G Oliver is adistinguished professional with
over 25 years of experience inpublic relations, marketing,
communications and crisismanagement across corporate,
government and nonprofit sectors.
Since April 2019, she hasserved as the Senior Vice
President of Community andPublic Engagement at the PGA

(03:49):
Tour, where she focuses onenhancing the organization's
engagement and impact withindiverse communities.
Prior to her tenure at the PGATour, oliver held significant
roles, including Director ofPublic Affairs and Spokesperson
for the City of Jacksonvilleunder Mayor Lindy Curry and
Assistant Superintendent forCommunications for Duval County

(04:09):
Public Schools.
Her leadership in thesepositions earned her recognition
as one of the nation's topeducation public relations
professionals by the Council ofGreat City Schools.
In addition to her professionalachievements, oliver
contributes to her community asa board member for Community
Hospice of Northeast Florida.

(04:29):
She has also been honored asone of the nation's top 100
female leaders, being named tothe business journal Biz Women
100 list in 2023.
Oliver's educational backgroundincludes an MBA from the
University of Phoenix.
Her commitment to diversity andinclusion is evident in her
efforts to promote these valueswithin the golf industry.

(04:51):
She has discussed initiativesaimed at breaking barriers and
fostering inclusivity in golfthrough various platforms.
For a more in-depth perspectiveon her work in promoting
diversity at the PGA Tour, youcan watch the following
interview oh wow, and it has aninterview here.
Looks like you're on GolfCentral speaking with the man on

(05:17):
Golf Central whose name I don'tknow, but what do you think of
your chat?
Gpt bio.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
That I'm old.
That's what chat GPT has saidthat I'm an old lady, you could
have started as a 10-year-old.
That's true.
That's true.
You know that's amazing becauseclearly it pulled from probably
four or five different bios andsources and you know
information.

(05:42):
There are a couple of boardaffiliations that and you know
information.
There are a couple of boardaffiliations that they, you know
, share that I'm no longer apart of, but yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
So, ronnie, on the tech side, what do we do about
that?
If we wanted it to be accurate,or if Marsha wanted it to be
accurate, would we reply thereand say, hey, she's not on that
board anymore, she's on this?
Would?
It's not on that board anymore,she's on this.
Would it change based on thatresponse?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, I mean, you know, when you think about it
it's really, you know, like shesaid, it's just pulling from
different sources, so it's notlike you can just directly
change it.
You know it's just a Googlesearch.
It would have been no differentthan us doing a Google search
five years ago and it kind ofpulling it all together.
You know, one of the things Ithink about, that we all have to
think about is, technically,that's kind of her, that's

(06:30):
that's Marcia, that's that'syour information that we were
able to just pull and put into abio Chat.
Gvt gets a chance to profit offof that Right, but Marcia got
no, no, nothing from that Right,and so in theory, she should at
least get I don't know twocents for that search.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
But that's kind of how that works.
Yeah Well, you know, I mean Iequate that probably to you know
my mom and dad who said be onyour best behavior, because you
never know who's watching andyou never know what people are
saying about you.
So I just think you know that'sjust the technical aspect of
the neighbors next door and downthe street who watching, making
sure you acting right and youin the right spaces and places.
So yeah, chat GPT, you know Idon't.
I don't think mom and dad, whoare up in heaven, are
disappointed with thatdescription.
And whether I'm on board A orboard B, you know what they said

(07:25):
that I'm doing some good stuff.
And you know that's what we tryto do every single day.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
That's so true.
You are continuing to serve andI know making mama and daddy
proud.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Girl For sure, it's an ever ending responsibility.
When we wake up and put ourfeet on the floor, you know
you've got your parents, you'vegot your ancestors, you've got
all those who fought for us tojust have a right, you know
saying hey, girl, don't messthis up.

(07:58):
You know, get on up and get outthere.
So so, yeah, so thank you,chatgpt.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
That's right.
And, Marsha, just becauseyou're saying that and I'm
hearing it as a mom, tell me howyou feel about it, Because I do
tage that way.
I'll tell her.
Like you know, when you walkout of here.
Now, at this point we got thesame last name.
You know what I'm saying.
You're taking me whereveryou're going, so I, so I don't

(08:25):
hesitate to do that.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Let me be honest.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
However, I do wonder are you okay with the pressure,
or do you wish some days thatyou could just take it off and
just let it all hang out,whatever that means you?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
know what?
It's funny because, as a mom ofa 26, almost 27-year-old son,
who he actually has helped meunderstand how difficult that
pressure is by saying I am nevercoming back home to
Jacksonville.

(09:01):
Like you know, he was herebriefly, worked for the city of
Jacksonville and would say I gotso tired of people coming up to
me and saying oh you're, youknow, you're Marsha's son, or
you know, you know living in theshadow.
But I will say that if I did nothave the parents, those lessons

(09:22):
, I may not be who I am today.
You know I joke a lot about howgrowing up and I am the baby of
my siblings we are 14 yearsapart, my brother and I, seven
years apart, my sister and I sowe were all essentially kind of

(09:42):
raised like only children and Iwas the oops baby and there was
a lot of pressure that was puton me.
My dad would get peoplestraight.
You do not call her the oopsbaby, she is the blessing,
Because my parents were 42 whenI came around.
So you know it was clear wedidn't hear very much.

(10:02):
I love you.
In the household we heard threewords.
We heard the most were don'tembarrass us, and that was.
That was evident.
I mean we were in church.
You know, every Sunday, Sundayschool, my dad was a Southern
Baptist deacon at Bethel BaptistInstitutional Church, 215

(10:22):
Bethel Baptist Street,Jacksonville, Florida, 32202.
And that was.
That was the reality.
You know my mom was an educator.
She was my fifth grade socialstudies teacher.
I was in her class.
That is probably one of theworst years of my 55 year old
life, 25 year old life.

(10:51):
However, it is all of thosethings that I was taught, that
were modeled for me, that, yeah,that made sure that you know I
did the right thing and yeah, itis pressure.
But you know Tage will, she will, she will appreciate it in the
long run.
But I have seen her do a littledances.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yes, you have.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
With her cheerleading and dancing capabilities, so I
know she will be fine.
And, ronnie, that's a littlejoke that I would love to catch
you up on, because my first timemeeting Tej Tej was doing the
bike gets routine, and I don'teven think she could barely walk
, but she had that routine down.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
so so, mama teaching some things I'm about to say we
know, we know tears, so I canonly imagine I gotta get that
story later absolutely, oh y'allshowing out today.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
But okay, speaking of Vika and Rain's nature and all
that, because she was for thelisteners, she was like three
and she was, you know, doingsome.
Uh, she was repeating some ofthe routines that the girls were
doing at this little tryoutdoing, doing them well.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
And did a good job.
Girl had rhythm.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Absolutely Doing a great job at that, marsha.
One thing your chat GPT bio didnot mention is your Florida A&M
experience.
It did not even mention FAMU.
So if you don't mind, take usto going to an HBCU.
Was that by design?
Was that your intent, somethingyou always wanted to do?

(12:29):
Did your parents want you to gothere?
Give me a feel for your HBCUlife, yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
So I did not want to go to FAMU.
My mom and all seven of hersiblings were graduates of FAMU.
They got their undergrad andtheir graduate degrees from FAMU
.
So they were all Rattlers.
I wanted to go to Fisk becauseeverybody was going to FAMU,

(12:55):
like I didn't want to do whateverybody was doing.
So you know, I thought, oh,fisk, nashville, tennessee,
didn't know a thing about it.
And so mom and dad said, oh,you got this money.
Well, if you don't have thismoney, my money, our money going
to Florida A&M University in1948 because she had all of her

(13:26):
children as graduates of theuniversity.
So you want to talk aboutpressure?
There was a lot of pressure,but that also meant that people
knew my name.
So me going there and havingthe full college experience and
independent and having a goodtime.
I knew that was not going to beeasy for me, going to a

(13:48):
university where everyone knewthe Jackson family.
But I can tell you that thatwas the best decision that was
made for me.
You know I joked with my cousinjust not too long ago, you know
I said to him I said, hey, doyou realize that your mom bought
me a set of luggage?
This was my mom's sisterbecause I had you know.

(14:09):
I was like, well, you know what, if I can't go to Fisk, I'm not
going to college and I'm goingto get a job at AT&T and I'm
going to show them.
And it was my aunt, aunt Seal,who bought me a set of luggage
and she was like, oh, you going,and you're going to FAMU.
And my FAMU experience issingle-handedly probably the

(14:34):
greatest entry to my successthat I have today.
At FAMU I majored in journalism.
Public relations was myspecialty area.
While there I pledged the Beta,alpha chapter of Alpha Kappa,
alpha Sorority Incorporated.
I was a part of SGA, I wasqueen of the senior class, I was
senior attendant at Miss FAMU.

(14:55):
So I had a wonderful, richexperience.
And it was the education that Ihad at FAMU that allowed me,
two weeks after graduation, togo work in my major for a
Fortune 100 company.
So I went to go work at HersheyFoods Corporation in Hershey,
pennsylvania, doing publicrelations.

(15:18):
And it was my professor, DeanHawkins, who said to me at the
time because I plan on goingback to you know like, okay,
after I graduate, my boyfriendwas here in Jacksonville.
I wanted to be close.
So you know, I'm gonna go tograduate school.
And he and he pulled me andhe's like graduate school, what
you gonna do with a graduatedegree in communications?

(15:40):
Like, you have your undergrad,I mean you plan it on teaching?
And I was like, no, you know, Ijust think I want to get a
graduate degree.
And he's like, so you're goingto just come back and get a
graduate degree for the sake ofgetting one.
And so he's the one that toldme about the opportunity at
Hershey and encouraged me toapply for it.
And I go.

(16:01):
It was originally supposed to bea postgraduate internship and
they created a job for me in thePR department and I spent four
years there and came back toJacksonville when we were
awarded the Jaguars, because itmade me say, hey, our city, the
city that you pass through thesmelly town to get to Orlando,

(16:21):
remember, we have the papermills and all that.
Yeah, to get to Orlando, andremember we had the paper mills
and all that.
Yeah, hey, we're getting an NFLteam.
That must mean we're going tohave major corporations that are
moving to our city, which madejob opportunities like public
relations and marketing and techand things of the like you know
, more available.
So so, yeah, famu was was mylaunching pad and I am grateful

(16:45):
and I bleed orange and green.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Absolutely.
I'm glad you shared that,because when you, when you got
back here, then what like, wheredid your career go?
Where did you start when yougot back to Jacksonville?

Speaker 2 (16:58):
So when I came back to Jacksonville.
I it's funny and I and I thinkand I can say this among you
know you and Ronnie are friendsand you know our scratch work
listeners are friends too.
But you know we had a littlecomplex in Jacksonville.
So if you were born and raisedin Jacksonville you didn't get a

(17:21):
lot of value, you know, likeyou had to go away and come back
.
So there were jobs that I hadapplied for here, where you know
, when I was in college andabout to graduate, and it was no
interest.
So it was very good on my partthat I had reached out to the

(17:44):
William Cook agency when I wasin college, had done a paper on
them and so forth.
So when I decided to come backto Jacksonville and I came, you
know, we got the Jags.
I was engaged to be married.
So I reached out to the WilliamCook agency and said, hey, I'm
here, I'd love to come talk toyou all.

(18:04):
You know I spent four years ata Fortune 100 company and they,
you know, previously, had sentsome.
You know, thank you for yourinterest, but we don't have
anything available.
And this time they said, hey,you know, come on and talk to us
.
And I did and they created ajob for me at the William Cook

(18:25):
Agency.
You know it was all based onaccounts.
I had an opportunity to manageall of the consumer based
accounts because of my Hersheybackground the Jaguars was my
account, winn-dixie was myaccount, my account.

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So I had a wonderfulopportunity to do public
relations for an ad agency whichgave me the ability to work in
a variety of differentindustries and fields and so
forth.
And from there I went to workfor a CSX subsidiary because in
the role of the agency life Iwas traveling a lot.
So I was going here, goingthere and I was a newlywed and

(19:08):
thought, okay, if I want tostart to have a family I got to
start looking at.
Okay, I'm not on a plane, youknow, three to four times a
month.
So I took a job with a CSXCorporation subsidiary doing PR
for them, was a PR manager forthem and did that.
That was a male-dominatedindustry.

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Being a new mom didn't exactlybode well.
And what's funny, y'all andRonnie I know you two are a big
education, you know advocate.
So this role comes up at DuvalCounty Public Schools as the
assistant superintendent ofcommunication.
So now y'all heard me say youknow, mom and all seven of her

(19:51):
siblings were educators, right.
So I vowed I will never, ever,never work in education.
I would never, ever, you know,be connected education.
Like you know, when you thinkabout it, back in the day, that
was the only one of a fewprofessions that Black people
were allowed.

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So you could be a teacher, youcould be a nurse.
So my thought was nobody goingto tell me what I can and can't
be.
So that really, I thinkinitially, was my whole aversion
to serving as an educator.
But I thought, let me, you know, let me check out this role
because, hey, I can work ineducation.
My son at the time was a yearold when I applied for the job

(20:33):
and I was like this may help menavigate, you know, his
educational journey here inDeWall County, which would be
valuable.
So I applied for the job, gotthe job and my goal was to be
there just for a little while.
You know I'm going to do thismaybe four or five years.
And four or five years turnedinto 16 years and I grew up.

(20:58):
I grew up professionally, Igrew up personally.
I grew up professionally, Igrew up personally.

(21:29):
I grew up, you know, I thinkeven not just because it was on
my the name on my check.
No, it is, it's real stuff, andthe work that the school
district and public educationprovides is absolutely critical,
and I will fight someone downto the white meat if they
challenge it in a way that isnot healthy and productive for

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kids.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
I'm loving this.
You know we're having all thisdiscussion about our parents and
the influence of our parents.
You know I'm sitting up herethinking you know my mom was
someone who was like the schoolmom, constantly in the school,
always there helping out.
I was always so embarrassed,you know, I was just she was the
one that was always there andin my mind I'm like I just want

(22:15):
to get as far away fromvolunteer community service work
as possible.
And then you look up and youget to be an adult and you end
up doing almost the exact samething that your parents was, you
know, kind of instilled in you.
That's, that's, that'sinteresting.
I know, marsha, you know one ofthe things that you know I've
always admired about you hasbeen, you know, you know you see

(22:35):
folks kind of playing bothsides of the aisle from a
political perspective, but youknow, from afar at least.
You know, I kind of viewed youas doing that same thing in the
corporate space, you know, andthat kind of area, and I'm
always thinking about publicrelations.
And again, this is just me notnecessarily being in the field,

(22:56):
but kind of being a two-waystreet between that entity, the
organization, and the community,and really you know how that
relationship works and you knowright now we're in and really
you know how that thatrelationship works and you know
right now we're in a time, youknow, especially with DEI
conversations and all kind ofdifferent stuff, and I know
you've done so much good interms of building support in

(23:17):
communities, but you know whatis that public relations space
looking like right now, in thisparticular time with DEI, how?
How should corporations beshowing up in the moment and how
should, more importantly,communities be showing up in the
moment in order to build thoserelationships in this unique

(23:38):
time?
I would say.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, right, and thank you for the question.
I will say what we're dealingwith right now is not even
public relations man, it's acrisis.
It's a crisis I mean I couldcertainly, you know, talk and
share, you know specific pointsthat I think a corporation
should say or can say as itrelates to you know, kind of

(24:03):
using your words, you know beingon both sides of the aisle.
But you know, I want to go backto an experience that changed
my life.
When I was working for theWilliam Click Agency, there was
a program and I'd never heardabout it.
It's a program that the Rotarydoes and you know, I think the

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Scratchwork listeners, y'allneed to tune in on this but the
Rotary has a program.
It's through RotaryInternational.
It's very similar to a studentexchange program where they
select four professionals from aregion and they send you abroad
and you actually do yourprofession in that country and

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then four professionals fromthat country come over here to
the US and they do theirprofession for four months.
So there was a young lady whowas a colleague of mine at the
William Cook Agency and she toldme about it.
You know, I think her dad orsomeone had been a part of the
Rotary and she had heard of thisprogram.
And so I remember thinking, youknow, in my resume the one thing

(25:11):
that was lacking for me wasinternational experience.
You know you talk about kidswho have means and those with
higher socioeconomic status.
You know they get to take a gapyear.
You know they get to go travelabroad.
You know they get to go spend,you know, spend a year or a
summer.
You know, and that wasn't mymom and daddy.
You know, I grew up on thenorth side of Jacksonville and

(25:33):
we didn't have the means bywhich to go from, you know,
Edgewood Avenue to, you know,going to Paris to spend, you
know, time studying avenue, to,you know, going to Paris to
spend, you know, time studying.
So I thought you know what I'mgoing to apply for this program

(25:55):
because, if I get it, thatallows me to have international
experience on my resume.
And so I applied.
And when you apply you don'tknow where you're going at the
time of application.
So I apply, go through theinterview process and I get
picked.
So I am the Duval Countyrepresentative of Northeast
Florida for these fourprofessionals who are going

(26:16):
abroad.
So, rotary in a very nice andproductive and professional way.
Before you go somewhere, youknow where you're going to spend
the next four months.
You go through training.
They teach you what are thecustoms, what are the rituals,
what are the things that youshould say.
You know you don't want to goto a community and extend a hand

(26:37):
if that's not the appropriategreeting, so they're making sure
that you are immersed and havea full understanding.
Well, lo and behold, thecountry that my group of four
would be going is South Africa.
And so this was 1996, whichmeant, if you do the math, that

(26:57):
was two years after apartheidhad ended Only two years.
So when we go on through thetraining, you know, they told us
and it was as I said, it wasfour of us, I was the only, you
know, african-american in thegroup and they said you know,
you guys should be aware thatthere are places that you all
will not be allowed to gobecause Marsha is in the group.

(27:21):
Now, needless to say, I wasmarried at the time.
My parents were like, well, youain't going.
Yeah, it was nice for you to,you know, apply, put on your
resume that you applied and thatyou were selected.
But there's no way you're goingto South Africa and a place
where they don't want you Likeapartheid was just two years ago

(27:42):
and the folks telling you thatyou know it's not, they're going
to be places that you can't go.
So this was probably the onlytime in my life that I did not
do what my parents said.
Now I'm a grown woman y'all,married woman, but you know I'm
like Mom, I got to do this, thatyou know.
I got to do this, and so I madethe decision to go and I

(28:05):
remember in very much how theydo the Rotary meetings here.
We were the keynote speakers atbreakfast meetings or, you know
, lunch meetings.
First off, I'm thinking I'mgoing to see people who look
like me.
Right, I'm going to SouthAfrica.
Oh no, oh no.
The only people who I saw wholooked like me were the maids in
the homes where we were staying, because we actually stayed in

(28:27):
the homes of Rotarians.
So I remember my very first,like our first presentation, our
first speech, which was a lunchmeeting, and each of us had a
part, and after my part, the guywho was the president of that
chapter of that Rotary came upand said, oh, are you Hawaiian?

(28:48):
I was like, hmm, hawaiian, yeah, ron.
I looked at him just like.
You're looking at me.
I was like Hawaiian.
No Well, my daddy, blackgrandma, great, great granddaddy
, everybody that I know areblack.

(29:10):
However, what I can say to youis that I've had the benefit of
an education which, in SouthAfrica, people who look like me
have been denied the right andthe ability for an education.
So I am, I am not anythingspecial, I am simply someone
who's educated.
So every couple of days we wouldpack up and go to another part

(29:33):
of South Africa.
We were touring the WesternCape.
We started off in Cape Town and, as I mentioned, we stayed in
the homes of Rotarians.
So, as you can imagine, youknow when you're staying in
someone's home, you know youcan't walk around with the
bonnet.
You know you've got to be on,you've got to make sure that you
are.
You know professional dress,you've got to make sure that you
are appropriate, you know, andyou don't get to turn it off.

(29:57):
You know you are, you are on.
So we would always get togetheras a group after we got our
housing assignment and met thehost family.
Well, who you got?
Oh, I got a judge.
Who you got?
Oh, I got someone so-and-so.
Well, this one area that we gotto, I stayed in a bed and
breakfast and y'all, I'mthrilled.
I'm like I can walk around witha bonnet, I can put on my

(30:19):
bedroom shoes, I could haveNoxzema on my face, whatever.
So I was thrilled.
So that evening, the woman whoowned the bed and breakfast we
were having tea and she said tome she said, well, you know why
you're here, don't you?
And I said I'm not followingyou.

(30:40):
Well, I am here.
Well, why you're here at thebed and breakfast?
And I said no, she said well,you're here because we could not
find anyone in the town whowould be willing to host you in
their home.
Now, remember y'all, mom anddad and my husband I was married
at the time said you ain'tgoing.
Oh, I'm going.

(31:00):
And I said to them I'm probablygoing to be the safest out of
everybody in the group.
They're going to make surenothing happens to me.
So that was the only time withinthat four month stretch where I
felt scared and I couldprobably say that's the first

(31:22):
time in which discriminationbased upon the color of my skin
was up close and personal in myface.
And I remember dragging mysuitcases to the door and
keeping in case someone tried tocome in the door, because if
people knew where I was, becausethey wouldn't host me in their

(31:42):
home how could I think theywouldn't potentially come to the
bed and breakfast and harm me?
So every night when I went tobed, I pushed all my luggage to
the door as a way for me toshield my safety, and that
changed me.
That changed me and said firstoff and I remember my dad saying

(32:04):
this growing up you know,people see in the world.
What they carry in their heartsand I had to come to the
realization of what they saw inme is what they see when they
look at other black people,which is, hey, you're just,
you're just a black person.
And their hearts, they don'tknow the benefits of an
education, they don't know thebenefits of training, all of the

(32:28):
rights and all the things thatI have been provided that the
people in South Africa deserveas well.
So I vow that I would notsquander that experience simply
for a line on my resume, meaningyou went over there in order to
make your resume look good.
In order to make you look good.

(32:48):
No, sis, you were sent overthere for a divine assignment
that when you get back here,you're not going to only sit in
the spaces and places that arecomfortable.
You're going to put yourself inspaces and places and educate
people on the benefits of allthat come with being a Black

(33:10):
woman, being a Black person, aBlack professional.
And so that is how, ronnie, Ibegan to navigate spaces and
places.
And not necessarily you knowspaces and places and not
necessarily you know.
And I'll say this, it's veryimportant, and I will say this
to young men and women all thetime your biggest accomplishment

(33:32):
is not what's on your resume.
Your biggest accomplishment isthe ability to be yourself in a
world that is trying to make yousomeone else.
And when I think about makingthe decision to go work in the
mayor's office a Republicanmayor who was the state party
chair, who I mean and I tellpeople this today I worked for

(33:57):
him during the time that DonaldTrump was president the first
time.
And you know when I got the call, because I was at the school
district and I got the callsaying, hey, mayor-elect Curry
wants to talk to you, and I waslike, well, what he you know,
like, oh, okay, but you know,and listeners, if you get a call

(34:22):
that says the mayor wants totalk to you, you do not get to
say no, ok, you go get your suitdry, clean and you show up.
And so that's exactly what Idid.
Ironically, though, I thoughtthat he was asking me to come
and talk about education,because the previous mayor,
mayor Brown, had had aneducation commissioner on his

(34:45):
staff, and I think, oh, maybe hewants to talk a little bit
about that.
Well, no, he said to me, I wantto talk to you about being my
spokesperson.
And I said to him y'all, oh,google has clearly failed you.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Like you got the wrong.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
You know that chat GPT messed him up.
Like you know, you got thewrong person.
He's like no, no, I got theright person.
I you know.
And he rattled off you know myaccomplishments.
And he said I want someone atthe table who can make sure that
diverse voices are represented,and doesn't matter if you have

(35:25):
a D or an R next to your name,we want the same thing.
You want your street safe andclean.
You want your families and yourbusinesses thriving.
And y'all, I said no threetimes.
Like I said to him hey, youknow, what ChatGPT didn't tell
you is that I ain't quiet.
I am not a potted plant thatyou can sit over on a desk or a

(35:45):
corner and expect for me toshine when you need it to shine.
And he said no, I really wantyou and your voice to be a part
of my administration.
And I woke up.
I remember I had said no, but Iwoke up a Sunday morning and I
was getting.
That was I get the Sundaynewspaper, turned to the

(36:06):
editorial section of the paperand the headline said
Jacksonville suffers from animage problem.
And I thought OK, here my sonwas a senior in high school at
the time school.
At the time I thought, if Iwant my child to come back to

(36:27):
this city, if I want others likeme to choose to come back to
this city, then why would I nottake a seat at the table to be
able to help shape and influencea city that welcomes all?
And I called them, I called themayor on that Sunday morning
and I said, hey, I know youthink I'm crazy, but third
time's a charm and if you willhave me still, I would like to

(36:49):
be a part and join youradministration.
And so he was like well, gethere in the morning before you
change your mind again and let's, let's meet and talk.
And I did, and it was the mostrewarding four years for me and,
I think, for him.
You know, I mean I, I, he and Istill talk today where I say it

(37:12):
is a shame that we could not bea model for the country to
follow, that you can havesomeone who has very different
political party affiliations,views and perceptions.
I can tell you all there weremany tough conversations that he
and I had Colin Kaepernick, thekneeling incident and the Jags,

(37:36):
kneeling and how that playedout, and the criticism and the
criticism.
And I could go to him and say,hey, I understand.
I have a black son who I prayover every single time he gets
behind the wheel of a car, who Isay, hey, when you go get the
garbage can do not run acrossthe neighbor's yard.
Like you know, just sitting downand having the discussion and

(37:58):
understanding that ourperceptions and our beliefs
about things that if youdiscover, you know there are
things that influence your life,that influence your decisions,
that influence your outlook, butyou only get that if you have
an opportunity to take the timeto be at the table.
Like you know, tia'sintroduction you know from my

(38:21):
bio said fostering inclusivity.
The only way you can do that isby being there at the table and
staying true to who you are.
You know, I mean, and I'm goingto say there were some people
who were mad at me, maybe, who Imean?
Who looked like us, you doingwhat, you going where and I said

(38:44):
, hey, I'm going to make surethat we have a chance to be able
to inform and educate.
That's, that's the reason whyI'm there.
I'm not there to changeanybody's minds.
He's not there to change mymind.
You know, we're there to haveconversations about what we find
common in our beliefs and, yeah, I mean it's, it is, it is

(39:06):
really.
It's really sad anddisappointing and, as I shared,
you know, it's a crisis becausewhen we look at diversity,
equity and inclusion, when didthat become?
When did that become a bad word?

Speaker 1 (39:21):
That, that coming, that story of coming together
and those different you knowparties, mindsets, whatever you
want to call it you know.
Particularly that story in themayor's office I think is is
powerful and I can imagineespecially folks here in
Jacksonville you probably didget a lot of you know folks
calling you, you know makingsure you wasn't hypnotized in a

(39:42):
get out movie or something youknow.
But I think what I hear atleast in that whole story
obviously is you know yourcredentials.
Your resume allowed you in alot of ways to show up exactly
how you are even in that space,and I think that's a powerful
thing.
I know that sometimes in someways it feels like sometimes we

(40:04):
do get picked on to to almost bea token, and I know a lot of
folks deal with that that do nothave the resume that you have.
They can't, you know, or feellike they can't, at least show
up how that, how they want toshow up.
I know one of the things when Iwas a president here, the local
hundred black men chapter.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
When I was a president here the local 100
Black Men chapter.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
We always tried to weigh the difference between
someone giving us a grant for usand someone giving us a grant
for them.
We, you know and I know I can bea little radical sometimes, but
there was a few thousand dollargrants that we were like, yeah,
no, you know that this feelslike this is for the photo op,
and you know, I know we get thata lot in our community.
Or folks are just happy to beat the table or just happy to
get the $1,000 grant, so much sothat they're missing the bigger

(40:52):
picture.
Again, you sat on both sidesand had the luxury of being able
to kind of do good on bothsides.
I mean, is there something thatcommunities should be looking
out for in that space to say,don't just go to have a seat at
the table, don't just accept thegrant?
There is some leverage there.
You know, I always felt like Imean, at the time again, we were

(41:12):
the 100 Black men ofJacksonville.
This photo might be doing morefor you than it is for us, but I
don't know if you see any ofthat on your end.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, you know, and I'll say I mean I work in golf.
I mean I'm a, I'm a senior vicepresident for a global golf
organization.
I was inducted last year intothe African-American Golfers
Hall of Fame and I cannot playgolf, I am terrible.
But I will say, and I, and Imean I even remember saying to

(41:42):
the organization that gives outthat award I'm like how are
y'all going to give that to me?
That's like how is CharlieSifford the first
African-American to earn a PGATour card?
I actually called his son, whohas become a dear friend of mine
, a dear mentor to me, to sayhow would your dad feel about me

(42:04):
accepting an award?
And he said Dad would be proud.
You don't have to swing a clubor know how you know to play
golf in order to do good in golf.
You don't have to be good atgolf to steward the good that
golf, that golf does.
And, ronnie, had I not takenthe job at the mayor's office, I
would have never had thecourage to take the job at a

(42:26):
golf organization.
And I can tell you I would walkin different environments and
people would hand me their plate.
You know they saw me as someonewho was not there in a
leadership capacity.
I was there as someone who mayhave been a waiter and you know
I could have turned over thetable and, you know, been mad.

(42:47):
But no, I respect andunderstand going back to people,
see in the world what theycarry in their hearts, and my
role was to be able to educatethem and I am very grateful that
I work for and with acommissioner, a leader, who
genuinely believes in doing theright thing.

(43:08):
So when I joined the PGA Tour,my role and very same way it was
an executive that served on anonprofit board actually the
board.
You and I were on JacksonvillePublic Education Fund board who
came up to me after a meetingand said, hey, I've been reading
the paper, ain't no way.
You and I were on JacksonvillePublic Education Fund board who
came up to me after meeting andsaid, hey, I've been reading the
paper.
Ain't no way you and Lennygetting along.

(43:29):
Like I mean y'all got to befighting.
I mean, are you sticking aroundfor the second term?
Like I mean, come on, marsha,all this Trump stuff, there's no
way.
And I was like, dude, what areyou talking about?
Like hey, I am looking forwardto the second term.
You know, like I am here andhe's like there's a perfect job
for you at the tour.
And I'm like, perfect job forme.

(43:50):
People who play the sport don'tlook like me.
People who watch the sportdon't look like me.
People who work in the sport,like help me understand how it's
perfect.
And so I was more curious abouthow he saw me than I was about
the job.
So I was like let me meet withhim just to see what lens does
he have that he thinks this jobis a perfect match for me for.

(44:12):
So I met with him and that'swhen I learned about how the
Players Championship, which isour flagship event and that was
my first job where I led all ofthe community outreach and
charitable initiatives for howall proceeds from PGA Tour
events they go back into thecommunity.
So you know, when you thinkabout it, the players has

(44:34):
generated more than one hundredand twenty million dollars since
its inception going tononprofits in Northeast Florida.
And I thought, hmm, so thisgives me an opportunity to help
educate and steward support toorganizations that were part of
my life.
I was born and raised here inNortheast Florida, so by taking

(44:57):
this job it gave me the abilityto educate, and the PGA Tour and
the Players Championship thatthere are vast amount of gaps
and needs and resources andopportunities that their dollars
can help.
Because I mean we want to makean impact, we want to make sure
that we're doing meaningful work, providing impactful support,

(45:21):
but unless we know what are theneeds, okay, we're just going to
write a check, we're just goingto give a check to the local
hospital.
No, we're going to learn andunderstand that the Mel
Washington Youth Foundationchose to be in the location that
had the highest incidence ofpoverty and crime.
We're going to learn about fooddeserts and the inability for

(45:41):
people who live in certain zipcodes 322-02-04-06-08-09-5 for
zip codes don't have access tofresh fruits and vegetables.
Having an understanding thatyou've got organizations and
community and after-schoolprograms who may not have ever
thought that they were eligiblefor a single penny from a global

(46:03):
golf organization in this big,beautiful, pristine area of
Ponte Vedra Beach even cares orhas a connection.
So the ability for me to be apart of a team to educate and
show and create a grantapplication process and create
systems and tools that allownonprofits to be able to come in

(46:24):
and share the problems thatthey're seeking to solve.
That is important and I willtell you.
You know, when we saw the deathof George Floyd, there were all
of these corporations that cameout and said, hey, we're going
to give, you know, a milliondollars here, we're going to get
a million dollars here, andwe're doing it, you know, making
these pledges and thesecommitments, making these

(46:49):
pledges and these commitments.
And so, and I remember saying,because our commissioner said,
hey, y'all, what, what should webe doing?
And I was like we don't have todo anything.
We ain't the NBA, we're not theNFL, we can keep our heads down
.
People do not expect.
Look at the start line and belike, well, where's golf?
Like no, I don't think it'sgoing to rise to the occasion.
And the commissioner said, ohno, people who have come to rely

(47:11):
on us when there's a hurricaneor a disaster in all these
communities, now they're notgoing to come to rely on us for
racial healing, that clearly wehave communities that are
hurting.
And so he challenged us,challenged me, to determine how
we show up.
And, to your point, it wasn'they, let's go bring a check to

(47:33):
the 100 Black Men of America, orlet's go take a check to a
particular organization.
No, let's look at theorganization.
What are the mission, what'sthe pillars, what are the
priorities of that organization?
And so we committed one hundredmillion dollars over 10 years
to help underrepresented andunderserved communities where we

(47:57):
host events.
So, when we look across thecountry, how are we stewarding
dollars?
And it wasn't this hey, we wantyou to stop giving to the local
hospital and start giving tothe NAACP or other organizations
.
No, we just want you to ask thequestion what are the needs,
the most pressing and impactfulneeds in a community?
And it shakes out.

(48:18):
There's.
No, hey, let's go help black orbrown or Hispanic or disabled
people.
It's who has the greatest needsin a community and let's make
sure we funnel our support andresources there.
And I mean you brought up the100 Black Men of America.
We developed a partnership withthem.
You know the coding and colorinitiative that you like, that's

(48:42):
, educating ourselves to be ableto direct dollars you know two
hundred and fifty thousanddollars over five years to the
100 black men of America inorder to be able to support
programs that are within thosesame communities where we host
events.
That's being intentional andgood for you and the
organizations who say no, wedon't want to take your money.

(49:05):
We want you to understand ourmission and you know and I say
it all the time like as anorganization, we shouldn't be
just looking only to help anorganization meet their needs,
like that's why they got bored,that's why they've got, you know
, volunteers, that's why theyhave donors.
We have a responsibility tohelp organizations solve
problems and if money can solvethose problems and we can direct

(49:28):
resources there, you know weneed, we need to do it, but we
need more Ronnie Kings who sayhey, yeah, let's have a
conversation, don't just give mea contribution, let me talk to
you and explain to you.
And that's exactly what you'vebeen able to do, I think, with
the coding and color program andjust how there's so many
different opportunities to alignand make a difference.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, tia, and I'm not a journalism major or a
communication major.
That was my small attempt tothrow like a little softball for
Marsha to say thank you to thePGA Tour for supporting, yeah,
coding in Color and thank youfor supporting the national
organization as well.
You know, especially duringtimes like this, I think that
has been tremendous.
You all have been truesupporters of the work that the

(50:15):
100 has done across the nation.
Like you said, this isn't justJacksonville, we're talking
about across the nation, soreally, really appreciate you
all for that.
I don't know, t, if you had aquestion.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Yeah, and that's professionally, marsha, all for
that, I don't know, t.
If you had a question, yeah,and that's professionally,
marsha, I will say from yoursupport of that effort, the
students are now out here doingtrainings on AI and the wave of
the future and the things thatthey're able to do.
I know, ronnie, I didn't tellyou but as we were kind of
prepping for the call, I'm likeMarsha, any hot topics?
I talked about tech.
She's like don't ask me abouttech, but hearing.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I talked about tech.
She's like don't ask me abouttech, but hearing.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
It's all about tech, Marsha, Don't you dare Well and
you know, and I'll say I meanwhen you, when you think about
it.
I mean and, ronnie, you know theDollar General shooting that
happened, that terrible tragedy.
You know, just based upon aconversation that I had with you
at a meeting, you know Ilearned about coding and color
and we have a scholarship thathas been named in the youngest

(51:14):
victim's honor, aj Laguerre, whowas working at Dollar General
as a way to be able to go toFSCJ in order to major in
cybersecurity, and so you knowhe was denied that opportunity
in that dream.
But we want to be able to giveanother AJ the opportunity to

(51:35):
fulfill that dream, and so youknow, we had a chance to
actually create a fullscholarship at FSCJ in his name
that could be awarded to astudent in Health, Zone 1, going
back to that 322020406080954zip code in order to be able to
pursue their dream of computerprogramming, cybersecurity,

(51:59):
anything in the related area.
So, while I don't know a lotabout tech, I know that it is an
industry and a field that isunderrepresented and, as an
organization, if we can dothings to help solve that
problem and I'm going to say itagain, help solve that problem.
You know we're, we're all aboutit and coding and color, and

(52:24):
the efforts that are being doneby a thousand role models coding
and color and the efforts thatare being done 5,000 role models
.
You know, all of thoseinitiatives are designed to help
solve the problems that areaffecting underrepresented
communities.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
That's right.
Well, Marsha Ronnie came offmute to do his thing.
So you know, I have to take amoment to do it as well.
You talked about millennialsand them not knowing about
Charlie Brown and all that.
What they also may not knowabout is the Brady Bunch and
Marsha, Marsha, Marsha and whyI'm bringing it up is because my
middle name was Marsha growingup.

(52:53):
And I tell people it was Marshabecause I knew no other black
Marsha ever and I did not wantto be Marsha at all in any way.
So I would say, oh, it's Marsha, there's a line over the edge
Like that made it a long way, ohmy God.
But then I take a job while I'mstill in college at the Malavie

(53:17):
Washington Kids Foundation atthe time and Marsha is on the
board and I get to see thisbeautiful, amazing Black woman
with the first name Marsha and Ihave had the middle name Marsha
ever since Now that's until Igot married and I dropped it
altogether, like it's not even athing.
It's gone, I love that.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Well, I mean and you know how I felt about you Like,
I'm like Mal Terry, she's a star, she's a star, she's a star Not
even realizing that your middlename was Marsha, which made you
even a greater star.
But yeah, yeah, thank you forthat.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
I did want to take the time to thank you as well,
for all of the listeners here.
If you think that just livingyour life out loud is not being
impactful in any way, just keepdoing it.
You don't know who's watchingand Marsha, you are one of those
people.
For me, you are a big sister.
I'm an only child biologically,but 100%.
Marsha has been very supportive, encouraging and will fight for

(54:17):
me like a real big sister.
Yes, ma'am, to this day.
Yes, ma'am, I just appreciateyou.
I'm so glad that you were hereand being able to join us on the
Scratch for EDU podcast.
We don't want you to be undone.
We thought it was great.
You're amazing.
I enjoy every story, but isthere something you think you
would like for Scratch for EDUlisteners to also know this?

(54:38):
Is there something missing?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
You know.
So the only thing that I wouldprobably add is the only thing
that I would probably add isjust the generational
differences regarding inclusion.
That I think is important, foryou know, scratch, work, edu,

(55:06):
listeners to think about.
You know my parents who grew upduring the time of segregation.
I mean, you know they grew upduring the 20s and the 30s and
you know that was during thetime where there were separate
water fountains and separatelunch counters and backdoor
entrances, and my dad, who was aSouthern Baptist deacon at the
Bethel Church, who was full ofthe Holy Spirit, but if you

(55:31):
crossed him you got full ofsomething else too Right.
And so I mean he was, he wasbullish about things that you
know regarding what's right,what should be.
And I remember one day he hadcome home from the Winn-Dixie on
Soutel and I was there at thehouse and he was raising sand

(55:54):
about something somebody haddone in a grocery store and I
remember asking mom later on Iwas like Ma, how did he, how did
y'all survive during a time ofsegregation?
Like I mean, if that you knowreading people how, how he's
still living today, like youknow.

(56:16):
And and she said to me oh honey, we survived very easily
because when we would see awater fountain, you know our
parents said you thirsty, youwait till you get home.
You know, sitting going througha back door, no, you got to go
to the bathroom, you hold ituntil you get home.

(56:37):
So in their minds, they neverput themselves in situations and
places where they could betreated less than or potentially
discriminated against.
So they created their ownAmerica and in their own America
you never had anyone that wouldmistreat you because you didn't

(56:58):
put yourself in thatsurrounding.
And when I think about my careerchoice, even down to where I
live, you know my parents didn'twant me to move in the
neighborhood, the house that Ibought.
My mom said no, I don't wantyou over there.
My grandmother was a maid twostreets over and she said if

(57:27):
anything ever happens to youknow, my grandson, I will never
forgive you for that.
And I remember, you know, whenTrayvon Martin died and how that
struck me, because TrayvonMartin could have been my son,
just based upon where I live.
Like I would walk theneighborhood and I'd have people
stop and say, hey, are you lost?
Is your car broken down?
And I've lived in thiscommunity for 20 plus years.
So I share all that to say it isso important for us to put

(57:52):
ourselves in environments wherewe may be underrepresented,
whether that is STEM, whetherthat is golf, whether that is
any kind of of sport.
Because of that and granted,you know, I mean my parents, I'm
sure they're probably, you know, in heaven going.

(58:14):
She worked well, she doing whatshe ain't got no business there
, but it was because of themindset and where and how they
lived and where and how theylive.
And I shudder to think what wecould be as a country if we took
the time and exercise thecourage to put ourselves there,

(58:35):
not to turn over a table, but tonot, to, you know, upset the
apple cart, but strictly just tosay you know what, I'm here, I
belong here and move over, and Ithink that's just an important
part that I think we need toplay in the world.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I'm glad you said that.
You know I struggle.
That's one aspect of this kindof intergenerational
relationships and that kind ofstuff.
I know I personally strugglewith tactics that we use as
communities, or you know theopinions around the tactics that
we should be using ascommunities to get to where we

(59:14):
want to get to, and you know theway I see it.
We have so many folks in ourcommunity that want the same
thing from different generations.
But, man, we have justcompletely sometimes different
ways that we want to go aboutachieving that and we got.
We do have to work on that.
We have to work on that and Idon't think there's any, you

(59:36):
know, right or wrong way, but wehave to, I think, at any given
point in our life, you know,allow those that are younger to
just show us different thingsthat they're seeing.
You know, and I'll even.
My example is even in the techspace.
I mean, there's tech ways thatwe've been doing stuff and

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developing applications fordecades, and for me to even get
in front of the students andlike this is how you do it.
Oh, you know, you keep doing itlike this.
You know for them to show melike, well, mr King, there's a
different way to do it now, youknow, and you got to kind of
step back and like, okay, andthere's still a role, I believe,
for me to play in that space.
I still think there's a rolefor those that are older than me

(01:00:20):
to play in that space, but wehave got to get to a point where
we're just a little bit moreopen to what younger generations
are thinking and theirstrategies, because they are
vastly different.
And but I still see right nowwe have this.
I guess you can say communityleadership again parts in the

(01:00:44):
right place, but we need to, weneed to diversify that across
generations, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, you know there's a.
There's a saying thatdisruption is a process, it's
not an event.
So when we think about itthrough that lens, it is

(01:01:13):
understanding that if someonehas a different way of doing
things or a different way oftransforming it, understanding
that it's.
You know it's a process.
It's not just boom, it's done,let's shift, let's go.
Like it is understanding fromeach other.
It is a long process, asopposed to a single thing like
OK, you know this is what, thisis the way it is.
Thing like okay, you know thisis the way it is.
No, it's a, you know it's aprocess.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
And understanding too that what each of us are
created to do may be totallydifferent things, and that's
based on our own divine design.
So we could stop trying to alsohave to understand why somebody
else is moving in a particularway and just trust that, when we
all wake up and look in themirror and see these colors on
our faces, that we have a sharedum, a shared experience where

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we should all desire to seethings be better, and our route
there and our experiences areshaping the way that we do that
differently, one by one.
So I think part of it is alsonot having to understand why you
work for Mayor Curry, or whyRonnie wants to see us be super,
pro, pro, just all things blackand brilliant in our own space,

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or you know why I just sit inthe middle trying to figure out
how to help out.
You know, everybody has a roleto play and I think if we just
owned our own spaces and keptpushing, that, people will fall
in line wherever they'resupposed to.
We give we give each other alot of support, but sometimes a
lot of grief too.

(01:02:36):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
And we don't have to get it, we don't have to have it
all figured out.
You know, we don't.
We don't know if, if I had itall figured out, know, we don't
know if, if I had it all figuredout, um, I would not have had
the all of the different jobsand roles that I had.
You know the you know my momdad said you know, you get on
one job, you got one good joband you stay on that good job

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for the rest of your life.
You know, and she used to jokeand be like, oh, it's been three
years, I guess you, you knowyou got the itch, you're going
somewhere else now.
But but, yeah, you don't.
You don't have to get it allfigured out or scripted.
Trust the process.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
Trust the process.
That's it, that's right, Allright.
Well, thank you for adding that.
I was going to ask Juan.
You want me to ask her for someof the $100 million now?
Oh my God, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
She's doing her money in a good way.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Yeah, that's good for the community.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, we want to help her do more of that, absolutely
, that's right, marsha, reallyglad.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Thank you, mr King.
Thank you, well, let me know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
I got you.
We're glad that you were ableto join us today.
We promise to keep you at anhour.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
We do need to hit her up on these PGA Tour tickets,
though I'll take some of those Icouldn't have a little shame,
man DB.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
I offered her some garlic crabs, but it didn't work
.
Yes, let's do.
It Sounds like a plan, marsha,thank you.
She gone, oh, she gone, andprobably didn't even mean to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
That's how you do it.
I gave you some crap.
Bye yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
Let's do it, bye.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Whatever, bye, oh gosh Right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
That was good, I enjoyed her.
I enjoyed her stories,absolutely I enjoyed her stories
.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Let me tell you here I am.
I'm trying to put it on mute.
This goes to tell y'all how badI am with technology.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
Right, I'm trying to put it on mute because my dog
walker is about to walk in.
I'm like let me find the mute.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Let me find the mute we thought that was a public
relations strategy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
She leaned in and everything leave.
I was like okay.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
We thought that was a public relations strategy.
Hey, uh-oh, people are like sheleaned in and everything.
I'm like where's the mutebutton so I can get the?

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
dogs walking.
She was getting ready to comein.
I was like, okay, I ain't needher yelling my shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
We ain't getting no tickets no time soon.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
No, no tickets.
She's like get the crabs.
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Give me crabs, I'm out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Hey, we get two tickets per day for the Players'
Championship and I will save.
Y'all want two tickets for nextyear's Players' Championship.
I will save two for ScratchWork EDU.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Yay, we appreciate that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know howthat goes, we understand.
Those are hot commodities inJacksonville.

Speaker 4 (01:05:31):
But with the recording still going, just to
make sure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
Just to make sure you get that on wax.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Mark, we did laugh when you disconnected.
We were like oh she was likeyeah get crammed bye.
Thanks for joining us again,though alright.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Thanks guys for the opportunity.
I enjoyed it thank you.
I'm pressing leave this time onpurpose leave over here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Mute over here oh, on the other side okay alright,
y'all bye, alright y'all bye.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Take it out of Now.
We're all screwed when we playour roles and ignore the
problems.
I like to be away in my patient, stay up.

(01:07:08):
I feel so outdated.
How can we look the other way?
Sun is out, but the sky is gray.
What would happen if I took achance?
It's always hard at firstglance.
I don't wanna, but I know Igotta do it.
The truth is hard to swallow.
I think I gotta do it.
The truth is hard to swallow.

(01:07:49):
I think I'll chew it.
I wish I knew how much I missnot knowing that we're all
screwed when we play our rolesand ignore the problems.
I wish I knew how much I missnot knowing that we're all

(01:08:25):
screwed when we play our rolesand ignore the problems.
I wish I knew.