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September 22, 2025 • 118 mins
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Speaker 2 (01:30):
How you guys doing? You know, we've been talking a
lot about you. Kind of feel sorry for the Tigers
right that during Lion season a lot of attention is
taken away.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
From the Tigers.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
That's reality. The Lions are king in this town. I
make no mistake about that. Okay, Hey, you want to
make sure that you grab people's attention. Find yourself in
this position right now, I think everybody's paying attention.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Is that a fair statement?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Pretty much? Good crowd last night. Again.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
I hate the term must win.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
I do. I hate it with a passion. You guys
just aren't going to hear me use must win very often, Okay.
I just I think it's it's bastardized, right, I mean,
when you're talking about a must win football game in September,
when you're talking about a must win baseball game in August,
when you're talking you know, I mean, it's been so bastardized.

(02:35):
All right.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
This is about as close.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
As I'm going to get to say in that I'm serious,
and I think for psychological reasons, Okay, because here's where
we're at right now, all right, and I think you
guys already know this. Cleveland is within four and a half.
They took two games the last couple of nights, doing
all the little things that were synonymous with what the

(03:00):
Tigers did a year ago. Right, Okay, now let me
try to I'm gonna try to talk everybody off the
ledge right now. I'm gonna try. I'm not gonna say
it's gonna work, okay, but here's my effort. Okay, you
have the best picture in the world. Anybody want to
argue that, No, sir, anybody maz I love best picture

(03:20):
in the world on the mound. Today you win at
home with the best picture on the mound. You have
a five and a half game lead with nine games
to go.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
You're in good shape.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
You're in good.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Shape, all right. You're still a little worried, but you're
you're in really good shape. Okay, you lose and it
becomes three and a half and you're not playing well
and Cleveland schedules cake down the stretch. Oh, by the way,
you have three games in Cleveland. Who's shown us up

(03:52):
to this point.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
They own that ass. Okay, anybody want to argue that.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Okay, it's kind of like the Vikings, all right, Like
you can chirp all you want. You might be even
leading the division, but untill further notice, we own that ass.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Shout out to my Viking fans who join us every morning.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Shout out to you guys. Appreciate you guys every day. Okay,
that's where we're at right now. So today is about
as about as close as you can.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I don't even want to think about it.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I don't know Cleveland coming in here sweeping us and
beating school ball on a getaway day.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
I don't want to think about it. And then it's
three and a half.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, I have a stat for.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
You, all right.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
I love stats.

Speaker 5 (04:39):
If Cleveland wins out, they win a division on a tiebreaker. Sheesh,
They've won eleven of twelve and it's tough to run
off and have a ten straight I'm just putting it
out there. They control their own destiny, as do to Tigers.
But Cleveland wins out, the Tigers can't do anything about it.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
You know what's interesting about that? Well, other than.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Beat Cleveland, right that that, I mean, that's the only
thing that they control, you know what's interesting about it?
And I know you made reference to one of the
most famous collapses ever.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
I've been talking about.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Seventy eight, right. I think a lot of us are
being reminded. It was amazing how many people were bringing
up two thousand and nine, you know, which, which culminated
in game one sixty.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
Damn we got an early hat throw.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
That's do you know what I do?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
You know what I did that night? This is this
is a true story. I don't know if I told
you guys this. Okay, my son, let's see, he was
nine at the time. Right, we were watching that game
they lost. Remember it started late afternoon, like nine o'clock.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Was fabulous game, So it was fuck that.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
It was nothing fabulous, But I know what you're saying.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
Yeah, it was intense, all right.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
So you know what the funny thing is when the
game ended, we were both sitting there like downtrod and
he just went upstairs, and I assumed he went to bed.
And I heard all this clamoring and and and things
being tossed around and stuff, and I'm going, oh.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
No, I'm not in the mood.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
I got.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I gotta go upstairs and be dad right now. And
I'm not in the mood to be Dad. I want
to be Google baby and sit here and wallow in
my own misery. He took all his posters and things
off the.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Wall and real, off, you brought up a good kid.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, you know what.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
I was like, my father likes something.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
The only one that was saved was the Justin Verlander poster,
as he shaid, that was the only one that.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Was saved, right, And I had to I had to have.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
The worst conversation you can have with your son if
you're a sportsman. Of course, I literally sat him down
on the bed and I lied to him and I said, son,
it's only a game. Listen, the biggest lie, the biggest lie, Son, there.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Are more important things than in life.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Why it's only a game.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
That's fabulous?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
No, say that we had that and so now we
often talk about that. And he was like, Dad, you
lied to me. I was like, I know, I just
didn't want you to destroy your bedroom, all right, I
did not want But that was remarkable. And I even
go back to two thousand and six, and obviously we
know what they did when they got to the playoffs.
If you remember what was it, I think it was

(07:23):
the last seven games they were at home. I think
there were four against the J's and there were three
against the shitty ass Royals, right, And so what I
did is we had a season ticket package, which meant
you didn't have all the games. I bought tickets every
game the last seven games because I wanted my boy
to see the Tigers clinch. Individual it set up so nicely,
and they were gonna they were gonna win the division

(07:45):
at home, and this is gonna be great. What a
party is gonna be in Oh my gosh, kid, you
don't understand itsch.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
And and yeah, we.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Even blew a six nothing lead that that Sunday, get
six nothing on the Royal with Jeremy Bonderman on the
road on the model Jeremy Bonderman.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
That was on a Sunday.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I remember Sunday after the places, I swear to God,
the place was a mausoleum it was so quiet, it
was unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
I think that's how basically they could talk all they
want and say they're not feeling it.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
They're feeling it.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Oh, there's no doubt in my mind, absolutely no. Like,
AJ's got to go up there and say the right things.
And I think you know the guys are going to
go up there and say the right things. But Maz,
I think you're you have to. I mean it's human
nature to sit back and go what that we were
just up like?

Speaker 3 (08:35):
What was the height? Can you guys fact check this?
We were just talking about.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
This second twelve and a half thirteen.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I apologize for not doing this, but we were trying
to figure out what the highest lead was this year.
You know, I know it was well up in the
double Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
No, just in the because if you.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Remember Cleveland went like this, and then remember what was
it ten of.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Eleventh royals jumped.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Them, and the royals jumped them. So if you guys
fact checked us, jump in the chat. We'll keep an
eye on it. What was the highest lead we had?
And for some reason, thirteen and a half is in
my head. I could be wrong. I'll end up throwing
a minute. You should have just left it there because
it's one of those story your hat dates.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
They've lost fourteen of twenty one, he could keep adding
it in. Cleveland's won ten of eleven. It feels like
last year in reverse.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Almost three games under five hundred since the all start break.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Sees that's it. Yeah, I thought it'd be a little
bit more.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
I think twenty six and twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Okay, I think twenty six and twenty nine.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Now the eighty four Tiger is your favorite. They struggled
in the second half. Didn't they just play five hundred
ball or a little bit over five hundred ball the
second half. I saw Rosie last night at the game.
He was he was in a rare form and hey,
it's all there for you. It's all there for you.
Like Sean said, if you win today, you put a

(09:59):
little water on the fire. It's not gonna completely go out,
but it's gonna and the smoke's gonna come up, and
Cleveland's gonna go home and say, Ash, wish we could
have took that one. But the night the game that
hurt was Tuesday night. They should have won that game.
After Carps hit that home run, Cleveland comes right back
at him. And then last night they mustered four hits.

(10:22):
Four hits, guys, that's you could talk about pitching. They
pitched last night. They got out of jams.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Good Jack showed up medium Jack. We call medium Jack.
He got through five. He scuffled through five.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
And then you give up those two runs in the
ninth to kind of put it away, even though they
had the meat of the order coming up, and even
if it was too nothing, I felt like they would
get nothing. I'll admit to you. You ready, I left in
the bottom of the seventh inning. Yeah, I told my wife,
let's go home. We made it home for the ninth.
I'd listened to the game, made it home for the night.

(11:00):
That's how much I knew they were done well.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
With say Williams on the mound, it's pretty tough to
get anything going.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
He went through five. We'd he strike out about eight guys.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Jesus, yeah, man.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
And then you bring in their relievers are terrific. Kate
Smith is really good, really good.

Speaker 6 (11:16):
I wanted him at the dayline.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah. So seriously, if you guys in the chat, can
you can you do our fact check? I apologize that
I should have looked this up, but this popped in
my brain like about a minute before we started the
show today. What was the highest? For some reason, thirteen
and a half is in my head. I don't know,
maybeen higher than that.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
I think it was fifteen, but I'm a try.

Speaker 5 (11:36):
Look all right, A couple of guys that sixteen and
a half. Another guy said fourteen to fifteen. Nothing official
yet on the check, nothing official.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I wish I could take a time out and just
look at it right now.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Even if you.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Could, what's the difference? We know it's high and it's
down to four and a half. Yeah, four and a
half and a half.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
When did age five and a half?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Like you got the best picture in the world on
the mount, find a way to win, scratch cross, a
couple runs, whatever the case may be. You know, I
get it. People are frustrated. I'm frustrated too. I've probably
been frustrated longer than you because I was one of
those guys going back to the trade deadline. I thought
it was a fail from second one and we were

(12:19):
all here that night. It was before the Lions preseason
game and we were spenny crashed out.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I mean, it was like one of those nights.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
What's up? KG?

Speaker 6 (12:29):
Yeah. So according to AI, the Tigers had a massive
fourteen game lead in AO Central and mid July this season.
Around August sixth is when it began to drop.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
There you go, that's b and that's almost identical to
the Red Sox lead on the Yankees in seventy eight,
fourteen and a half in August, and they lose that lead,
the Yankees take the division. Then the Yankees give it
back to him at the end of the year and
they played a one game playoff Buckie Den Bucky Bleeping

(13:02):
that few Red Sox fans sheesh.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Man five and a half with ninety goo. I feel
really good, yeah, three against it.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
And the problem that I have right now, though, can
I tell you honestly, the problem that I have right
now is I don't like having faith in numbers. I
like having faith in teams.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, and players or does that make sense?

Speaker 6 (13:23):
No, it makes perfect.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I don't like, well, the numbers suggests, well, that's great,
with the numbers suggest.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
You do the math like, no, I'm not trying, but
the Tigers suggest that maybe I shouldn't feel so lucky. Right, Yeah,
this is it. I will say the collapse that we had,
you know, kind of like a month ago. I don't
think it was as bad as like this one is
right now. And I get it they lost like what
eleven of twelve or something crazy like that, but I

(13:49):
still have confidence that they can pull themselves out of
the gutter. But shout out to Xavier D in the chat,
he said, this is as disappointing a second half of
a season as any team can have, And all I
can do is agree with them, because where what happened
to this team after the All Star break? It's literally everybody,
all of your all stars except maybe Terrek Schouble have

(14:09):
all taken a nose dive since that All Star game.
Something happened. I don't know what happened after that, but man,
this this ship right here is is I'm trying not
to be concerned because I always said I wouldn't be
concerned until the lead is lost. Then at that point
I'm sounding all of the alarm bills. Is death Con
five at that point?

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, It's it's funny that you bringing up KG because
that that's what I said yesterday. It deaf con one
is the worst level you can get to if you
follow that stuff. That means, Okay, the ship's here. All right,
the bombs are flying, all that stuff. They lose today,
I'm a death con two, I really am. That's just
like heightened awareness. Oh yeah, yeah, ones, ones, the ones.

(14:54):
The nuclear war is here. Okay, bombs are flying, So
I got I go, I go down to here. You
know what, I'm gonna look that up.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
Talk.

Speaker 6 (15:04):
But either way, if they lose the lead, as a
fan at that point, on panicca because I seriously doubt
if they lose this lead they might not make the playoffs.
And I think it's damn near certain they won't make
the playoffs at them.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Listen, man, and Seattle was within a game and a
half last night. If they hung on and beat Houston,
it would have been down to a games. Houston nipped
them at the end finally, So now Houston and Seattle
are separated by a half a game. They play three
games this weekend. They one of them are close to
taking the number two spot away from either the Tigers

(15:37):
or if the Cleveland comes all the way up. So
hang on, man, it ain't just the Central the Wildcards.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Oh one hundred yes, I don't think the average human
understands this. Somebody, even somebody even said to one of
my tweets or posts the other day yesterday, Well, you
know what, I think we're gonna blow the division. But no,
we're not good for the wildcard.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
We aren't.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
And this goes back to something I know a lot
of you guys killed me at the beginning. I don't
think there's a good division, and I think we're seeing
it right now.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Man. Deaf Con three is called roundhouse.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
It's increase in force readiness above that required for normal readiness.
Deaf Con two is called fast pace. It's the next
step to nuclear war. Deaf Con one is the highest level.
It's called cock pistol. Nuclear war is imminent or has
already begun. So they lose this lead, I see, I

(16:32):
go to two. I'll go to the bombs aren't flying yet.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
Yeah, I said, if they lose the lead, THENNIS one.
Oh whoa, Yeah, they lose the leader.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think if they lose today and it's three and
a half, I'm at deaf.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
Cone two listening, guys.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
They have one more today with Cleveland, then they got
three with Atlanta. Now we've known the Braves over the years.
That's a good team over there. A lot of injuries
they got Ronald o'cunya. Still they got some good arms.
Chris Sale is killing it. He's killing it. You're gonna
see him. And now you go on the road, three
to Cleveland and three and Fenway. If you think that's

(17:08):
an easy ending to a season, I'm telling you man.
I've always had a joke with the Drew Lane Show,
and this was months ago, and I said, digging a
blow to Lead, digging a blow to Lee. They call
it my hot take. That hot take, unfortunately, is still alive.
I just I don't see anything on this team. I
don't see a life preserver on this team.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I hate that. I respect Stephen k I hate it.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
He is so good.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I want to hate him so badly, Like I see
his face and I simultaneously want to give him a
big hug and simultaneously want to give him justice.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
He wait a minute, you see he played left He
played left field. Last night, he was in center field.
He was like, what's his name? On bad News? Bass
Kelly Lee? He was catching everything.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
Would he would be a great time.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I kid stand that.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
I respect, I want to hate.

Speaker 6 (18:01):
Him, but he's one of those players that if he's
playing against you, you hate him KG.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
I want to go back to what you said, like, like, honestly,
everything everything went south except really Trek Schooble.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Everything everybody took a regression, everybody.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
But he got banged up to he's he's hurt. He
hate one hundred percent. Guys, you're not getting one hundred
percent Schooble. You remember he went out in the fourth
inning a couple of Saturday nights ago. You remember that.
I'm just saying, how does it all happen?

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Like?

Speaker 6 (18:44):
How?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
How?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Like how? And it's and you know this the one
commonality in the how many dumb things have you seen?

Speaker 7 (18:54):
A lot?

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Like? Really, when all of a sudden this team became
really dumb?

Speaker 5 (19:01):
What happened to Labor Torres this month? He was our
all star, he was our guy disappear The moments talks
are singles at best.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Well, do you remember that was a big part of
what happened for the time. Do you remember Maglio turned
into Singlio his mighty flare in the right center.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
That's great, it's it's absurd.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
I again, you guys, the lead is four and a half.
The best preacher in the world's on the mountain today.

Speaker 6 (19:36):
Check back with me in about three thirties, Malcolm.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Right now, would you guys listen, each one of you
tell me, as the team sit now, would you rather
be the Tigers or would you rather be the Tribe Tigers.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
The way they're playing?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Give me the lead.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
I never want to be Cleveland, as I know, Kenny, everyone.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Give me, give me the lead and the best picture
in the world on the mound today.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Like, honestly, if if if you were trotting somebody else
out there today, I don't know if i'd feel that way, Really,
I don't. This is this is okay, you know, Trek.
I think everybody around here, most people in baseball, not everybody,
probably look at you the same way that we do.
You're the best picture in baseball. Here's an opportunity to
remind everybody today, because you know what, A lot of

(20:28):
eyes on the baseball world are gonna be on Comerica
Park today, man, not just Tiger fans, not just Indian fans.
I think a lot of people are gonna have their
eyes on what's going on at Comerica Park today.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
The bad party, I'm not worried about him. This is
fucking bets man. You got shut out last night for it.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Sheesh man for remind him go out there and do
you know what, find a way to scratch cross a
couple runs. I don't give a shit. If you win
the game two to one, I couldn't care less. I'm
nothing whatever. Win the game today, extend that lead to
five and a half with nine to go. Oh my gosh,
I can't believe we're having these conversations. Yeah, hey Tigers,

(21:07):
you got everybody's attention again.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
Though.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, for a little while, we all stopped talking about
the Lions, right, just for a little bit.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
This isn't the way we wanted to do it, right,
But here we are.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
Yes, side question, you think that scandal affected them at all?
I think this is a little bit of that. It's
a distraction.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
It's a distraction.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, it's a distraction.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
I don't think that done anything.

Speaker 3 (21:32):
It's a distraction.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I hope it didn't have effect. I hope it didn't.

Speaker 8 (21:37):
But how how how everybody how like Hobby baias Okay,
shout out to Neil, I hit a front row seat
for all of that doing shows with me.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yet another one yesterday there was But but the thing
that you know, KG were talking, there was no in between. Okay,
both things can be true. Hobby was historically badly last year.
Hobby had a pretty darn good first half of.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
The season, absolutely All Stars.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
And then he remembered he was Hobby. I don't put
so much into the All Star stuff though, you know that, right,
but when you get fans. But at the end of
the day, we knew what the overall numbers. Yeah, at
the end of the day, we knew what the hell
Hobby was.

Speaker 6 (22:16):
Though he hasn't been good for three and a half
years with this team, Hobby, yeah right, right, So, and
you know the running joke. We love to poke at
Neil and shit like that, but we know what the
hell Hobby was. He's far from the biggest problem on
this team right now. There's so much other shit going
wrong with this team right now. Hobby is just like
a footnote at this point.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
It's it's remarkable.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
I wish we had Justin Verlander, though no, don't say that.

Speaker 6 (22:40):
He don't give Neil any ammunition.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Ass deal.

Speaker 5 (22:44):
Neil can tell you all he wants. He's a three
e r A since August. He's the hottest pitcher in baseball.
Speaking forty years old.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Guys have known you again next year.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
You guys.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
What's going on? I swear to God, you guys, so
let me let me talk to you guys. Okay, you
guys right now the audience. This goes on for hours
a day, hours a day. I literally went to the
gym yesterday afternoon, and I'm one of those guys. I
don't bring my phone in the gym and everything. And
I come back out and there were thirty one messages,

(23:20):
thirty one messages of Neil and Mas going back and
forth about Justin Urlander.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
If I imaginary head.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Justin Verlander, well you know what, Paul, can I can?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
I can? I see? That's where I'd go. Who would
I rather have Justin Verlander or Chris Paddock down the stretch?
Who would I rather have Charlie Morton or Justin Verlander
down the stretch? Now we didn't know that Justin Verlander
would do. We saw just I say, twenty thirteen. You
remember how much he struggled and then he came in

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the end of the year and he was insanely good.
And that was the year. Annie Belle Sanchez, by the way,
shout out to Annie bell He's gonna be in town
this weekend.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
I loved any Bell Sanchez.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I loved him.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
Talk about a short stop. I remember, well we had
a short stop. God damn.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
You know the thing.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I go back to that trade all the time, and
that this was this was the prospect trade. Remember, you
can't give up Jacob Turner and Rob Brantley for Omar
and Fonte and Annie Bell Sanchez. No, right, if you,
if you forget about Annie Bel Sanchez, I would have
given up Omar and Fonte for those two bumps, you right.

(24:45):
I mean, that's that's where we were at. And that's
why I still pull my head work. I don't want
to mortgage the future. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
I will take a known.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I knew that Annie Bell Sanchez was a damn good pitcher,
and then he came here and went like that. Yeah,
and we were at the it's still at seventeen strikeouts.
Dude was unconscious, unconscious.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Still the record, all right, it's still the records.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I'm throwing my invisible hat again. Okay, So how you
guys feeling. We want to get some thoughts from you.
We'll get back to your regularly scheduled programming and we'll
talk lions. I promise you lots of Lions. Okay, but
hey Tigers, you got our attention. You're you're You're back
on the map. You're back on one of the top stories.
You did it, and you if you lose today, all right, JP,

(25:35):
where are we going?

Speaker 9 (25:37):
Invisible hat throwing once again?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (25:40):
We gotta hear from Planet Fitness and Art and Jakes.
But let me clear up these super chats real quick.
Shout out to everyone sending in those super chats as
well too. Four ninety nine from Dante one to five
to one, He said, can we just trade for Steven
Kwan now so we don't have a headache anymore. I'm
so damn tired of him just beating us, maybe in

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the winter meetings.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Dude, Like I.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Want to hate him, I can't. I hate that, I can't.
I don't focus on him. I focus on like that uniform.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Amen. Dante drives me out of my mind.

Speaker 6 (26:17):
Hit the quwon.

Speaker 9 (26:20):
And we got another five dollars from nobody. He sends in.
He said, mister Illis wins either way.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
They win.

Speaker 9 (26:26):
He says, they're good enough to win as they are.

Speaker 10 (26:29):
If they lose, he can say, well, they were never
good anyway.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I hate going on the lines of what you're saying,
I'm seeing the kick the can down the road. Shit again. Well,
don't worry you guys, because we have the next batch
of prospects coming up, and surely everyone will work. Everyone
will work, just like all the other guys. You guys,
just wait till Daz's Cameron is patrolling center field, all right.

(26:56):
He is the perfect outfielder for camer National Park. His range,
everything about what about his matt I don't even wait
till you see his slash lines in this park, right,
I mean, how many times do we have to go
through this?

Speaker 5 (27:14):
Last night they showed the two championship teams, the West
Michigan Michigan white Caps and the Flying Tigers. They won
their league championships, and they were hardly anyone clap when.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
They're like, oh, let's here for these two teams. My
wife's like, those are a minor league teams.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
That's good, right, I'm like, yeah, how come no one's
really clapping a lot. I'm like, because we don't give
a damn about the minor league. We want to win
now up here.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's still out there, man, don't worry all these you guys.
I'm telling you right now, I saw Matt Manning pitchineering.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
All right, they'll sea wolves you at least they used
to be.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
You wait when Scuba leaves next year, we have Matt Manny.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
We're just gonna sort of how many times have we
been through this game? Then stop kicking the can down
the road. That's what this franchise does.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Rehabby. I'm so sad he's Rehabby.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
I'm I wanted to have a bow Briskey appreciation Day
last year so badly.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
He was phenomenal down the stretch.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
You might get a Paul Walt he'll save but surely.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
All right, JB, where are we going?

Speaker 10 (28:25):
One more Supertack came in before we go to Bray
four ninety nine from Rick, he says, and he said.

Speaker 9 (28:30):
Great to meet you all.

Speaker 10 (28:31):
Yesterday, Sean, it was the six White Sauce White Sox
we went to together to only win that series game
World War Series, World Series. That's right about that game
two game. Please don't know how mask sits in that chair.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Also shout out strong get Game two of the World Series,
The Pouring Ring game.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Pouring Ring game. I had tickets for game one and
game two.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
I gave my dad the tickets to game one to
my son like that was And my dad thought I
was like effing with him, you know, because you know what. No, No,
he was like, yeah, that's funny. I was like, Dad,
I want you to take my kid to the game.
And he's like, why are you going to go?

Speaker 3 (29:11):
I'm going tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I said, take take your grandson too a game, making
a memory, right, And he thought because he eft with
me so much that surely I was effing with him.
And I was like, I tell you, there are two
tickets sitting at home, come over and take your grandson
to the game.

Speaker 9 (29:27):
Okay, I don't believe.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not going to waste my time.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
But that's probably he took him. He took him. He
did take him to the game.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
We went the next night, that's right.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, we had a great put up by that No,
that was six o nine. They were all ripped except
justin Verlin, except except justin.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Why would it take j Yeah right the man?

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Speaker 3 (33:29):
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Speaker 2 (33:31):
We believe in mythical creatures that are playing in such
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I don't want to talk.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
Are we really?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Like?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Really are we doing this?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Are we having these conversations?

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Wait? There we are?

Speaker 5 (34:22):
Unfortunately, the Tigers wanted to get back into the news cycle.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I mean, the Lions have suffocated him, but they're back
on top again.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Do you know what the worst part is?

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Though? And I'm glad that some are picking up on this,
like the one super chat, I forgot exactly what he
put but so many people still fall back into don't
worry about it. We can't mortgage the future.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
A couple that became like.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I'm not being funny, Okay, Like what else do you
need to see in the last ten fifteen years with
this franchise? Well, I'm not being funny. What else do
you need to see? How many you can't get rid
of that guy? Guys? Did Dave Dombrowski get rid of
a lot? And there aren't many trades. I'd like a

(35:11):
do over for everyone you can name. I'll give you three,
I'll give you four, I'll give you five.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
The guys won two World Series. It's leaving here.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Jacob Turner and Rob Brantley.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
People lost their collective mind, okay, and those two ended
up doing a collective nothing nothing okay. And like I said,
you can bring up one that didn't work out in
his favor, okay. And then I will tell you about
Humberto Sanchez, and I will tell you about Cameron Mabin,

(35:42):
and I will tell you about Casper Wells. Remember that one.
Oh Casper the trade deadline.

Speaker 8 (35:48):
Oh the Indians got too bulldo him and Az and
we got Doug Fister and him up.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Casper Wells.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
That should dries me my mind.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Don't forget the great Nate Cornell.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
You know what I'm not saying that that they're all
gonna fail. And and let's hope that mcconnagall is all that.
Let's help that Max Clark is all that. All right,
we're kind of living it right now, though, aren't we
with some of these guys and guys that we thought
would be a part of this team this year?

Speaker 11 (36:21):
Right?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
How's that worked itself out? And unfortunately, and I really
think I'm gotta be careful how I say this. What
say it? This fucking franchise is enabled people. They have

(36:42):
they have, they've enabled people. They kicked the can down
the road. Don't pay attention to what we're not doing
with our with our payroll. Don't pay any attention to that.
Don't even though mid teams don't go win World Series,
don't pay any attention to that.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Wait till you see the present we got for you
next year.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Don't you worry. Oh you're gonna love it. You're gonna
love it.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
I'm sorry, that's enablement. And you know what people do?
You know what people do?

Speaker 16 (37:09):
Yes, Tigers, I've heard of this meconical cat and I
can I can cite every gosh damn thing he's done.
And again, you guys, take my words. I'm not saying
that the guy's gonna fail.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I don't know, neither do.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
You, but surely this next batch, everything's gonna be okay.
And it's almost like taking people off. It was their words,
not mine.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
When we're ready to compete, when when when we're there,
we're gonna.

Speaker 6 (37:38):
Spend them proceeds to give Alice cap fifteen meals.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
This was the year take a look at my watch.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
Sorry, the way they finished, the way they finished last year,
and the way they started this year, this was the
time to put your money where your mout this.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
And they didn't.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
You needed a hitter or two and you got nothing.
He just they planned on. Okay, we're gonna get Parker
back at some point. Spencer Torkolsen is going to turn
it around. Riley Green's not gonna strike out as much.
Dylan Dingler fantastic player. They got some good talent on
the scene. This is a young team, one of the

(38:15):
youngest in the league. But you're gonna hear later from
the Red Wings general manager and president Steve Eiserman.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
And that's a guy.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
As the Red Wings go to Traverse City today the
open camp, you're gonna hear him later talk about his
number one picks and how he doesn't want to trade
his number one picks, and the Red Wings are a
seven year now under his tutelage, and they've gone nowhere.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I think there's a commonality between the two.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Yes, it's the Illigs family that owns them. They've got
to have the handcuffs on.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
They have to.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
So one of two things are happening. There can be
no debate. One of two things can happen. It can
be happening. Number one. Both these franchises are guilty of
overrating their own.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Which is which is distinctly possible.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I'm sorry I've said it in particular about the Red
Wings for a couple of years.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Now.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
If you guys remember back in February, we had a long,
long Some of our chat battles are unbelievable, by the way,
like we should almost But you know we were talking
earlier about the mas v neial rule chat battle that
that's like completely taken our lives over in the last.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
Like week, howl like chips in yesterday, I did us alone.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
I did jump in yesterday when when you said wins
are such an overrated step for a picture, and I said,
Casey just entered. But we we had one back in
February if you recall about about the Red Wings, and
it was about the over rating of the Oh my gosh,
this guy is gonna win a Norris Trophy. Well most

(40:00):
isn't there yet. There isn't one human being even in
Detroit that is mentioned Norris Trophy, best defenseman in Hockey
and most Cider in the same sentence, like, that's not
my fault. I didn't do that. I'm just pointing something
out to you, okay. And people get mad, and I
always say misguided anger, misguided anger, and and the same

(40:20):
thing with the Tigers were either we're very guilty of
overrating our own talent, okay, or or both these teams
are handcuffed in a certain regard.

Speaker 6 (40:33):
I think that's the one.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Which one is it?

Speaker 6 (40:36):
They might be a little bit of both, to be
honest with you, because I do think there is a
I wouldn't say, well, yeah, maybe a little bit of
overrating the players, but I think massively our gms just
can't really do what they want to do because of
who's in charge.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I tend to agree with you, I really know.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
I think there's a good dash of overrating our own right,
because I mean, it's you know how general managers fall
in love with their own. When Maz was general manager,
for example, okay, Maz is general manager.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
They they relieve Mas of his duties.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Okay, Maz has three or four guys that he just loves.
I'm the new general manager. I don't have that invested
feeling in the three or four guys that he loves.
If this guy does really well, then I'm gonna go Okay, well,
now he's my guy.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Right now, he's my But if.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
They're kind of streighted, I don't have the I'm gonna
give him a little bit extra rope because now it's
my name that's attached.

Speaker 6 (41:32):
It is right, you see it all the time.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
You see it all the time. So all right, can I.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Make you happy?

Speaker 15 (41:38):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Go ahead, thank you for this JB. According to Justin Rodgers,
Ali McNeil says if he needed to suit up and
play a game this week, he could who.

Speaker 6 (41:57):
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
I don't want ninety three percent. He said he feels
around ninety three percent. Okay, cool, Well, will you stay
in the smoker until it's one hundred percent? Okay, because
if you guys smoke out there, if you anybody smoke
out there, okay. In particular, if I do a brisket
or beef short ribs, okay, if I take it out

(42:25):
at one ninety five, it's good.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
If I take it out at two oh three, son
of a bitch, I changed your.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
Life, damn right period.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Poork has an element of that.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Beef is number one. If I take my I'm doing
beef short ribs, by the way on Saturday, I can't
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Love him.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Melting your mouth meat, by the way. But you take
him out, You take him out one ninety five. It's good,
it's a good piece of meat. But I wait to
two oh three. You guys, all the difference in the
world just that eight. I'm telling you. I could give
you the scientific breakdown of that, but then I bore
the hell out of you. Okay, ninety three is great?

(43:11):
Can we wait a couple of weeks?

Speaker 11 (43:12):
Can we?

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Is that is that cool?

Speaker 6 (43:15):
Can we just just like, unless it was an emergency situation,
you got enough depth at that position to to not
have to worry about it right now. But you really
can't afford to be losing anymore about he's under defence.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
None. I will say that no, in a perfect world.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
I'd love it. I'd love it right now.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
But Okay, if you're at ninety three percent right now,
can we sit back and say, oh, I don't know,
ten days from now, after the Ravens game, maybe do
you think that could get that up? Because I mean
what we all worked under the assumption. We all worked
under the assumption and this was thrown out there many

(43:53):
many times. Thanksgiving is a good target. Thank getting him
back for Thanksgiving is a good target. Best case scenario
in a lot of people's mind was the first week
of November. Yeah, after after the bye, after the bye,
come back first week in November. That would that would
be the best Okay, could you imagine could you imagine
like first week of October?

Speaker 6 (44:14):
Yeah? I think I think the bye week is probably
where their target is still, even with a Lee mcmeal
right now, and that'll give them the extra time to
not only just you know, get up to speed, but
also get in game shape. And I think that, you know,
if it's no real need for him at this present moment,
because of the guys that you have in the middle already,
DJ Reader, tight Leaks playing well. You have Roy Lopez,

(44:38):
you you have Makaya Wingo, you do have some guys
in that room, so there's no need to rushing back
now if it becomes a situation in which you need
to do it, by all means, but I don't. I
don't think until the bye wee. I don't think we
see him until.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
How nice would it be to have them for the
Ravens game, the Chiefs game, the Buccaneers game. Those are
I want to have my best guys for those teams.
I know you get Cleveland mixed in in there too. Okay,
take this week off, take Cleveland off. Then let me
see it. Let me see if at that Monday night
game before the before the break, Yeah, let me see it.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
I bet one of my barbecue buddies just brought up.
We call it the Stall brothers. If you're a hockey
fan out there, there are eight hundred Stalls that have played.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
In the National Hockey Teague.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Sometimes you get a big piece of meat that just stalls,
like I'm serious, it just it sits at one eighty three, okay,
where he has two brothers that are sitting next to him,
and it goes from one eighty three to two oh
three in an hour. But this meat is just a
little bit bigger, and it's called like seriously, it's called
the stall. Okay, if there's a stall with McNeil, great,

(45:45):
don't take him off early. Just because the other two
guys are ready doesn't mean that I have to take
this one off.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
He's still at a buck eighty three, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
So, as crazy as it sounds, I could have three
pieces of meat on the damn grill, on the damn smoker.
Two of the three are done. They're at two oh three.
I'm already letting them breathe over here, okay. Or maybe
I take them out at one ninety five, wrap them
up and and and the temperature comes up that way.
But if that one's still at one eighty three, you
know what I do. I leave it on the damn grill.

(46:15):
It's just chalk it up to the stall and go.
I'll go back and check in about a half hour,
and don't take it off early.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Don't take it off for it's not gonna be as good.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
That's what we want.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
I want. I cannot believe I'm comparing a Lee McNeil.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
Smoke.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Okay, I want you two oh three. Get get to
two oh three. That's where I want you Okay, I
don't want you one ninety five. I want you one
ninety I want you two o three. You need to
be your best when we're talking about winning a in
Super Bowl, I want you at your best.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
And the Lias track record says they don't rush guys. Yes,
like they gonna give them all the time.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
You're absolutely right.

Speaker 6 (46:55):
But it's good to hear that that he is this
healthy this early on in the season because now, like
you said, like Thanksgiving, we might not have to wait
that long.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
You know, the Egyptian Magician back anyway.

Speaker 6 (47:05):
As soon as you get him back, that that would
be a great addition to this defensive line.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Any Jerky Boys fans out there, And I'm just gonna say,
look that up, okay, YouTube, that's that's a gift shout
out to Johnny. All right, listen, we're up against it again.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
As I look over at JB, that's my apologetic look
to Dre.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Hey, mas Maz understands how how sad we are this morning,
and and and how hurt we are in our soul.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
So he did something really cool for us.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Let's take a look back at the last time the
Lions playing the Ravens.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Thank you mad, I'm sorry, where are we going?

Speaker 2 (47:45):
JB.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
In October of twenty three.

Speaker 10 (47:48):
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cooling for first time.

Speaker 9 (47:53):
Clear up this super chat from Jordan Lionheart. He sends
in five hours.

Speaker 10 (47:57):
He said, the Red Wings and Tigers have been kicked
in the can down the road for years.

Speaker 9 (48:01):
What's the common denominator there? I think it's the name.
I think his name is a little chrissy.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Don't worry you guys, reserves are coming. Don't worry.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Everything will be okay, right, every everything, Everything's gonna be okay.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Hashtag Detroit Roops real quick.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Yeah, I know you a hockey guy. When when Ierman
was with Tampa Bay, did he span yes?

Speaker 2 (48:27):
And I said, since day one. The one problem for
Steve here is he inherited two superstars in the making,
two guys that undoubtedly will be in the Hall of Fame,
and Steven Stamkos and Victor Edmunds, right, two integral positions.
He didn't have that. He didn't have that, so that

(48:50):
that there there were there were a couple of different
things working on there. And you know, if you if
you look at the salary, Kapa the Red Wings are.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
We talked about this yesterday.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
I think twenty fifth, right, and I mean there's there's
more that can be done in the course of the year,
but it's kind of a different dynamic.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
But starting point does.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Count, okay. I mean when you when you take over
a franchise with two guys that will be in the
Hall of Fame Stamkosen had been will be in the
Hall of Fame, and you compare that to taking over
a franchise.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Here I go again. I know I hate him, Dylan Larkin.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Those are two.

Speaker 6 (49:24):
Those are two not to say.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
And I don't hate Dylan Larkin.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I just think Dylan Larkin is kind of my poster
child for people overrating a player.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
He's the second line guy.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
He's a good player. I want him on my team, yes, right,
he's not a star.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
Look how well he did when he was playing with
Superstars the USA team. Yeah, that's what he really He
really blossomed, He really showed what he could be.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
But he doesn't have that around him.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Steve was a lot more shrewd when he was in
Tampa as well. He wasn't afraid to trade away like
Dreuan and he flees the halves. He did. He flees
the halves with that that deal.

Speaker 17 (50:00):
Just saying.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
Some of you can point to he was able to
spend before.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Sure, that's weird AD success, that's weird KG. That's that's
that's all right, JB.

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Speaker 2 (54:15):
You all right, welcome back in glad you can join
us on a Thursday. We got an extra day to
wait for the lines. Okay, Monday night football. I mean,
I'm sorry. I still think there's something special about having
that primetime game and the Monday night game and everything
trying to get our minds off of what's going on

(54:36):
with the Tigers.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
But I'm gonna say it all morning. Okay, you got
the best pitcher in the world on the mountainday, go win.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
I'm gonna feel I think we'll all feel totally different
if the Tigers win tomorrow. Okay, and you're up five
and a half with nine to go. But Maz is
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down sometimes what you need to do is you need
to pick somebody up and you to punch him in
the ribs and when they go.

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Down, you drop the people's elbow.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
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Speaker 3 (55:06):
We're gonna have a mass appreciation game really soon.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
So remember when.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
God, Jesus, Christ Jesus, that was ugly?

Speaker 17 (55:18):
Fuck?

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Is this the game?

Speaker 6 (55:19):
Dan Kempbell cried afterwards.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I think it is.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
This is the game.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
He went up there and cry, man, this was bad.
Thirty eight to six October of twenty.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Three, wholeheartedly non competitive yep, JB.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
It was one of those games that it was just
I'm not joking.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Okay, I've used this too much over the years, but
that really was a cider mill day. In the second quarter,
I was like, I'm not doing this today. I'm just
not and I drove to the cider mil.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
JB.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
Sticking to myself. We were at the at a remote ready.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
To go on.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
We were like, unbelievable, we got to go on after this.
It was a debacle. And I hadn't seen the game
that bad until they played the Packers in Week one,
because that's how I felt. Actually, even the second half
of that game, I felt a little bit better. But
this raven game is a debacle. Lamar Jackson is unbelievable

(56:18):
against the NFC twenty four and two. Jared Goff is
zero to three against him. It's not a big thing.
It's not Jared Goff against Lamar Jackson. We did nothing
in that game. But this team is completely different. And
this Ravens team is giving up a lot of points
as good as their defense is rushing the passer. And

(56:39):
they got Kyle Hamilton, one of the best safeties in
the game. I believe the Lions can score on this team.
Let's see what the defense can do. They did all
right against Caleb keeping him in the pocket. This guy
is a completely different animal.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
We'll find out.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
We'll see because I've been complaining about the pass rush.
I see the Falcons eighteen pressures against JJ McCarthy. I
see the Tampa Bay Buccaneers getting after it, the Houston
Texans even getting after it, and I have not seen
that out of this Lions team. Aiden Hutchinson is rounding
in the form and Sean could tell you that because

(57:18):
he is a mismatch and that's could free up. That's
why Tylee gets in there. Two blocks. We'll see DJ
Reider and we got to keep our fingers crossed to
see who's gonna be on the other side of hutch
Maybe AQ one can have a big game.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Like so many games in the National Football League, it
really is. It starts up front, it starts in the trenches,
and this Ravens team is getting after the quarterback like
nobody else.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
I mean they really are.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I mean, look up the numbers, look at the deep
dives that people are doing, and that terrifies me.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
In a game like this, and I get that even.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
With that pressure, they've given up a lot of points,
like for example, the Buffalo game, right, I mean they
they gave forty two? Was it forty two?

Speaker 4 (58:07):
They got down fourteen right away.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, Josh Allen, Jared Josh all a.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
Banged up Lions team at that time.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Josh Allen, Jared Goff, Josh Allen can do some things
under those circumstances that Jared Goff cannot do as much
as we like Jared Goff, okay, and I do. I'm
happy Jared Goff's the quarterback. I'm so sincere when I
say that. Okay, I like Josh Allen against a ferocious
pass rush a lot better than I like Jared Goth okay,

(58:34):
And I would think anybody with half a brain in
their head would would kind of fall down on that line.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
There are things that Josh Allen could do under.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Those circumstances that Jared Goff can't do, Okay. So to me,
it's how are we going to protect Jared Goff? Because
time and time and time and time and time and
time again, this man has shown you when you give
him time, when you protect him, he's an absolute surgeon.
He is, he will pick you apart period. To me,

(59:03):
that's that's the simplicity of this game is Jared Goff
gonna have time and you brought it up yesterday KG
and we didn't get a chance to expound on it.
I'm not interested in getting in a shootout with the
Baltimore I'm as good.

Speaker 6 (59:19):
I don't want to see that.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
I'm not interested in that.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
Derek Henry was stopped last week. The week prior, he
was not, so there, Let's see what happens. Lions are
good at runt stopping to run.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Let me see.

Speaker 5 (59:31):
I want to see his a Flowers beat us because
I think our secondary can match up well with them.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
I do, uh he he and he and Lamar have
something special going on right now. There's no doubt about
that great start. But I'm with you. I'm sorry. I
will still take.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Take Derek Henry out of the game if possible.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
And can we add a good solid mix of Monty
You're done, Monty, Boo, this is the type of game
you're gonna fail.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Boo.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I love that this guy he has a chip, So
in case you're new to the show, I want to
keep reminding him how bad he is, so he stays pissed.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
Off, so he running an attack is still pretty damn good.
At this point. It's just all gonna be on those
young linemen once again that you are a target. Unfortunately,
teams have seen the tape and they think that that's
a weakness that they can exploit. So they gotta be ready, man,
and hopefully the communication is on par. You know, you
heard Christian Mahogan, he said the biggest problem was the communication.

(01:00:28):
They definitely righted the ship in week two, but that
was going against a Bears front, which is good. But
this Ravens front is a little bit of a different animal.
So I expect to see a lot of, you know,
good play for them. They have to in order to.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
Not of Dion Branch out there today on the chat
by the way.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Hoping for a big game from Branch. We're gonna he's
good man, We're good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
We're gonna need him on both sides of the line.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
We are.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
I know he hasn't played receiver in some times.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
He wasn't MVP though. Yeah he super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
You know what, maybe we can get him a few reps.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Let's go, I think so Jordan Lionhard good one could
we can.

Speaker 11 (01:01:04):
Didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
It didn't work with Quinn Tricia. But if when you
bring in an actual player that can, that can produce,
He's kind of leading by example. It's a Patriot way.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
I'm looking forward to hearing Troy uh break this Lions
team down.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
I like I love him, Okay, I love him.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
You don't like Troy KG.

Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
No, I can't stay at Troy and whatever is okay?

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
No, no, no, no, I'm not talking about I'm not talking
about him. Yeah, I can't, can I can? I tell you?
Do you know what I think?

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
Damn it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I think you nailed it. You nailed it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Troy?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
There are no bells and whistles with Troy, but the
way that he sees the game I think is exceptional.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
I really do.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
I got a bad taste in my mouth from my
lion's pain whenever they would get our games, when we sucked,
all types of backhanded jokes going on in the background.
We deserve to enjoy my lion's ass whooping. I'm good
on Troy and Joe. I'm good. I'm respectfully, No.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Dude, I get but you. I think the problem with
Troy is Troy is like the old school guy. There's
no bells and whistles with him all. You know what
I mean, There's there's no there's there's there's no there's
no emotion, there's no there's no there's no.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
You know, voice, octaves going up or.

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
Down, there's no signature.

Speaker 9 (01:02:24):
Call is just yeah, it works for him.

Speaker 10 (01:02:27):
I just don't like se known that the running back
was back there, then he could have just handed it
off to him the whole entire time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Troy that that, you know what that was like. I
was one of those guys the first year. I was
so into Tony Romo. I have never gone I have
never gone south so fast. I have never gone south
so fast on a guy. Now it wore off.

Speaker 6 (01:02:51):
He was just up there just doing random ship Jim.
It just was not good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
Eventually he was drinking on the job.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Oh there's no double.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
There's no double, there's no shout out to Jessica Simpsons.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yes, right, that one.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
I think he recently sold her the game. They had
a boat together. I think he recently sold her boat
Jessica Simpsons.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Both. Yeah, I almost said something, but I'm just gonna
I'm gonna shut my mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
Hey, Jared Goff was the offensive.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Player of the week. Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Yay.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
We did a stick now hold on a second.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Last week, you had a guy that had a total
of one hundred and sixty eight yards and in offense
one hundred and forty three passing in twenty five yards rushing.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
Yeah, but he won a fourth quarter man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
And this guy had three thirty four and five touchdowns. Okay,
I feel I feel pretty good about that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
So you think it's a step up from the JJ, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
It is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
How and I love emotional roller coasters, I do.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
I love emotional roles sports man.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Do you know how many people like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
In the span of a week because I told you
one of my guilty pleasures in life? Okay, And you
guys are tuning in again. Shout out to the Viking fans.
Shout out to the Bear fans. I know you guys
are always in Packer fans. You guys are more respectful.
I don't really have an issue with you, Packer fan.
I might be in the minority, I don't really. I
don't have an issue with you. Okay, Viking fans are

(01:04:29):
I'm telling you the emotional roller coaster, the highs and
the lows. I mean, I can't reach that far. You
know what they were saying about this guy a week ago,
a week one week ago. Now you have people saying,
I'm not sure this guy's the answer. Not it is.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
How can you do that in a week? How can
you do that in a week?

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
And if you think I'm joking, If you think I'm joking,
Twitter is your friend, the switch, the search option is
your friend. You can look this stuff up, some of
these conversations. Now, the Bears, they invented this game. Okay,
you went from two weeks ago they were going to
the super Bowl, there's no doubt about it. F you
to the rest of the division to oh my gosh,

(01:05:11):
Poles should be fired. This guy, this guy that you
got from Detroit, he whose name I dare not mention
isn't the answer. There's nobody like that but Viking fans.
There's a lot of that element. There's a lot of
that element going on. And you guys, you guys can
look that up about JJ.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
They got a couple of good quarterbacks now, I mean,
you know they gotta be excited. Carson Wentz his six
team and six years. That's a record, and backed up
by Desmond Ritter. I mean, you're right, and Aaron Jones
is out for four five weeks, so you guys are right.
You got us right where you want us.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
You just went to Troy Aikman rights way to go.
I'm gonna throw my hat to myself for that man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
That was great, Tony Holy shit. Hey, Viking fans, you
guys will be all right. Don't worry about it. You'll
be fine. We knew you'd be there in the end.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
So you had one good quarter out of out of
eight so far. Enjoy this is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
A great day. I love hearing this mass. I love
sarcastic mans. Might be my favorite mass ever.

Speaker 6 (01:06:17):
No, that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
So how much more are we gonna see of Isaac Tesla?

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Honestly?

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
I mean it?

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Oh we got two plays, one handed receptions, right, he
white hosts.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Still gonna get in, still gonna get in, still gonna
get in. Jared Goff talks about Tesla.

Speaker 18 (01:06:35):
He's been great man again, tough, smart, does everything right obviously,
great hands or great hand shall I say? You know
he's had to but yeah, he's incredible and he's done
a great job. That's two now two one catches got
to be the best uh first two catches in NFL history.
And I think the fun part for him is that, yeah,
those are cool, those are great, but he can do

(01:06:56):
so much more and we'll start working them into more
things in our offense and getting on the ball a
little bit better. And yeah, he's a skuy's limit for
that kid.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
He'll get involved more. He'll get involved more French, of course,
he will just one more menu option. You look at
the value meal.

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
But this is yet another example of the Lions slow
playing their rookies and amazing as he is, whenever he's
called upon you, he needs to deliver. That's the biggest
part in this whole thing. But of course we all
want to see the athletic ability on display. This kid
is fucking amazing KG.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
That that's we Sometimes we have to be reminded that
these guys, for as forward thinking as they are, are
old school in regards to their rookies. They really don't
like to throw a guy into the fire unless they
have to. Yeah, right, and that's okay, And I like
I like the Bill Parcells school man. I'm in I'm serious,

(01:07:50):
all right, we are going to talk to our guy, Alex.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
I am not just saying this. I am so intrigued
at your game.

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
I bet you are.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
No, No, no, really I am.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
No your people, I'm so intrigued at this guy. And
and and just remember just remember KG, I'm not buying
it in Nebraska. I'm not buying it in Nebraska.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
I know how you coming with it. It's just people
like Neil and Yeah. I mean, look, you know how
you coming.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
You know who I root for?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Okay, But I mean like, I'm intrigued, all right, because
I think we're gonna find out a lot about if
Michigan loses this game.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I think you kissed playoff aspirations away.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I really do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
I'm not being funny. I think the good bye goodbye.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
No, they're not a playoff team as well, right now.

Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
You saying that before the game and they're off.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Yeah, they're not a playoff team.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
All right, Alexy's gonna join us. I don't know if
he's going to Lincoln. If he's going to Lincoln, I'm
really jealous because that's one place I want.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
To go that I haven't been yet. The whole state
shuts down.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I've been in Nebraska on game day, but I don't
think you guys understand the whole gosh damn state shuts down.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
It's every side of a big state. Just it's done.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
What else do they have.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
All right where we're going? JP?

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Don't let him beat us with his feet. Am I
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Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
Not at all? That he can single handily beat you
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Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
No, you want to make him drop back in past?

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him wait. This, of course, is Wolverine Thursday, brought to
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fantastic job joining us. Let's bring in Alex Z into

(01:14:06):
the show, and Alex, first of all, thank you for
your patients. The host of this show isn't very good
at staying on time, so he apologizes to you. But
with that being said, honestly, as a fan of college football,
I'm really looking forward to this game because I don't
know what Nebraska is yet.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
I'm not a big Ryola guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
I'm not. I think there's more flash than such a
but this one has my interest.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
What say you?

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (01:14:38):
This game really is my interest. Kind of a must
win game for both teams, sneakily because Michigan's are dropping
on to Oklahoma then Nebraska if you look at their
schedule really the three hard games they have after this
one for after Michigan or Penn State, USC and Iowa.
You figure Penn State and USC are probably lost for them.
Sof Nebraska actually wants to make the playoffs, whitches crazier

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after what they've gone through the last decade.

Speaker 21 (01:15:02):
We're talking about it. It's kind of a muscle win
for them.

Speaker 20 (01:15:03):
And on your Ryola comment, I wasn't a huge fan
of him, and given they haven't really played a hard
competition at all so far, but he's showed to be
pretty good so far this year. He's thrown no interceptions
and against a blitz he's completed like sixty four percent
of his passes. So he's doing pretty good this year
and he's living kind of up to his recruiting rankings.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
Hey yeah, Alex, just right now, this is week three.
Do you see Michigan as a playoff team going forward?

Speaker 20 (01:15:33):
I do not, necessarily think well by the old standards
and definitions.

Speaker 21 (01:15:38):
No, Like if this is the four team, completely not.

Speaker 20 (01:15:40):
Do I see him as a team that could potentially
get hot and limp into the playoffs. Yes, but going
into the season, this is never a team that expected
to really have a big national title run or anything.
You have a true freshman quarterback at the end of
the day, just a lot of rebuilding around the roster.
So I don't really think this is a team that's
gonna make a deep playoff run, but they're building for
a twenty twenty six, two twenty seven.

Speaker 21 (01:16:00):
The last few years we have Brice.

Speaker 5 (01:16:02):
How would you take out of the CMU game. I
mean it was a practice game basically, but they finally
took the training wheels off off Underwood and they let
him do what he can do, and he showed.

Speaker 20 (01:16:15):
Yeah, it's kind of hard to have many big takeaways
from the Central Michigan game simply just because Michigan clearly
just was a bigger, stronger fashion than them. So anything
they were gonna do is gonna work ultimately. But yeah,
Bryce getting the training wheels off to him, And what
Biff Poge said in the pregiam press comments that against
Oklahoma they're trying to take the air out of the
ball and kind of turn it into, you know, an

(01:16:35):
old fashion a hardball style game where it's just time,
possession and ball control.

Speaker 21 (01:16:40):
He said they were never doing that again with Bryce Underwood.

Speaker 20 (01:16:42):
So it's glad to see that the Michigan coaching stats
finally embracing a really aggressive offense when you have a
talent like Bryce Underwood. Then I like some of the
breakout cans with the Saw. I want to see Michigan
gate Andrew marsh more involved because he just looked absolutely
explosive in all assets of the game. One mind seeing
him get moved U punt return maybe. And then Jayshon
Barrum needs to stay at edge the rest of the season.

Speaker 21 (01:17:04):
Michigan's two main edge rushers, TJ.

Speaker 20 (01:17:06):
Guy and Derek Moore, while they've both in banged up,
have yet to report a sak yat combined through a
quarter of the season now, so Jayshon Barram needs to
sit the edge because he can actually get the pressure
in general law of tackle for law for losses.

Speaker 6 (01:17:19):
Nah, definitely at Les. Good to have you on and
thank god they opened up the play. But I don't
care who it was against. I just needed to see
that they were capable of doing so hopefully they do
it against a real team. But I gotta ask you
because Nebraska, you know, don't We don't look at Nebraska
as like a powerhouse, but this is definitely a team
that you can't take lightly. What do you think is
the key to victory for Michigan going on the road

(01:17:42):
in Nebraska this weekend?

Speaker 20 (01:17:45):
Yeah, I mean the key for Michigan is really gonna
be third down, So that's not Nebraska's really bread and butter.

Speaker 17 (01:17:50):
This year.

Speaker 20 (01:17:50):
They're the number one pass defense in college football and
they've been doing great on third down defense and really
making it hard for teams as well. And then offensively,
the key is gonna be his legs. The last two weeks,
you can't really take much away from their games because
they were playing complete cupcakes and Akron and I'm keithon
Christian But in their game against Cincinnati, who is not

(01:18:10):
a fantastic When Scott Sanderfield left Louisville, Louisville fans online
more celebrating his move to Cincinnati. When they only beat
them by three at Arrowhead, they didn't allow many passing yards,
but Akibi's.

Speaker 21 (01:18:22):
Legs has completely gashed that defense.

Speaker 20 (01:18:24):
So we're gonna need to see another showing out of
Bryce Underwood of him making things happen with his legs
and moving the chains that way.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Alex Ze kindly joining us, he of course brought to
you by our friends at the Skinny Butcher. It is
Wolverine Thursday. Two part question, Alex, are you going to
the game this Saturday? Or have you been to Lincoln
in the past, Because while I haven't been to Lincoln,
I've heard the stories. I was in Nebraska on a
game day. It really I mean, the state shuts down.

(01:18:53):
I don't think people understand how imposing this place can be.

Speaker 20 (01:18:59):
Yeah, I'm not going Saturday, but I went in twenty
twenty one when Michigan won thirty two to twenty nine
on the last second with Jacob moodyfield goal in a
crazy back and forth game.

Speaker 21 (01:19:07):
Yes, it is an extremely hostile atmosphere.

Speaker 20 (01:19:10):
I honestly thought that Nebraska and the Memorial Stadum down
there was harder playing than Ohio Stadium in this ship
from when I've been there before. I don't think it's
quite at the level of a Penn Sate whiteout or anything.
But yes, this is a completely a really hard place
to play. The whole state just eat sleeps and briefs
Cornhusker football, and there's there's nothing else to do in Nebraska.

Speaker 21 (01:19:29):
So they're eternally optimistic.

Speaker 20 (01:19:31):
Every year they shot no matter what, and the stadium
itself is massively tall, one of the tallest teams ever
been in, so.

Speaker 21 (01:19:38):
It really keeps a sound in. So Michigan is gonna need.

Speaker 20 (01:19:41):
To clean up a lot of the operational things that
hurt them at Oklahoma if they want to go and
walk away with the win this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
I like what you said earlier, and I forget the
exact same quote or the exact quote that you had,
so i'll paraphrase it. I think if Michigan gets hot
in the end, you said something like that, maybe they
could make a run, and that was part of my
reason for think and Alex, maybe just maybe this would
be a playoff team, because when you look at this
remaining slate, I think, you know what, I don't have

(01:20:07):
to waste your time and everybody else is looking at
this slate. I mean, really, you got Ohio State, but
then all of a sudden you got USC who maybe,
just maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Is better than we thought.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
I know in the past, defense is optional for them,
but maybe just maybe they're better than we thought. And
I think, at least in my opinion, Alex, their margin
for era now is this, You'll lose one more game,
maybe this Saturday. You absolutely positively have to win out
if you have any hopes and aspiration of getting in
the playoff.

Speaker 6 (01:20:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (01:20:39):
I agree, that's just an absolute must win game for
both teams. USC has been amazing, They've had the best
offense in college for blah by far and in the
paslink and rally teams haven't been that good on defense,
but they have a really good defensive staff right now.
Deanton Lynn was a guy Jim Arball is looking at
when he hired usin Minerks. He's another guy who came
from the Ravens and work back in the day.

Speaker 21 (01:21:01):
And then their linebackers coach is actually Rob Ryan of
all people.

Speaker 20 (01:21:05):
Oh yeah, you know Rex Starm's twins. So they actually
do have a very good defensive staff. They don't have
an offensive philosophy that really lends itself. But I think
that's gonna be a really tough game in the Coliseum
in a few weeks. And I think Nebraska is just
a way better matchup for Michigan, So they really need
to go and win this one because USC they can
just turn that game into a track me and we've
never really seen Michigan win a track meet or anything

(01:21:27):
like that in the past. Few years we've seen them
blow out of teams. Would never have to go back
and forth like that in a high scoring affairs. So again,
this is just a really big game this week and
for Michigan and one they have to pick up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
All right, we're gonna put you on the spot. How
do you see this one playing itself out?

Speaker 6 (01:21:41):
This one?

Speaker 20 (01:21:41):
I see a low scoring affair. I honestly think Michigan
pulls out a three point victory. I think while this
is a big game for Nebraska and really won that
Matt Rule in this program want to win to get
over the hump, I feel like it's so hard for
a team to finally do that after so many years
a struggle. And even though the rule does have big
jumps in year three, Nebraska hasn't been the ranked team
since twenty sixteen when they beat Oregons. So I think eventually,

(01:22:05):
when the game gets tough, Mischigan has had more big
game experience and they're not going to crack mentally like
Nebraska probably will.

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
Alex one last one for me go back to USC
for a second. They play MSU this Saturday night at
eleven o'clock kickoff. Back here s Michigan timey, it's a
seventeen and a half point spread. I was at Spartan
Stadium last week against Youngstown State. They struggled, but like
Sean says, that's a game that if you win, you

(01:22:32):
should have won. If you didn't really play well, well
look out. What do you think the Spartans and the
Trojans do on Saturday night?

Speaker 15 (01:22:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 21 (01:22:41):
I think USC is gonna win. I actually do think
MSc so do I.

Speaker 20 (01:22:46):
I think USC is a top ten team and unless
he's banged up on offense right now, I'm both at
running back and receiver, and I feel like that doesn't
fare them at all against a team like USC SO.

Speaker 21 (01:22:54):
I like the Trojans.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
If you give me sixty four points, I'll take Michigan's
den hang.

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 21 (01:23:03):
I need to check that an Lets Island before I.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Hey Alex, great jobs always. We appreciate you, always bring it.
Really really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Make sure you follow Alex e And thanks to you,
my friend and the Skinny Butcher as well. Thanks for
the time, buddy, Thanks thanks so much.

Speaker 21 (01:23:20):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Do you really think Michigan State's is gonna hang with?

Speaker 18 (01:23:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Yeah? I looked at the Spartan fans, same same thing.

Speaker 9 (01:23:31):
It's gonna be a rough set.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Is Marsh back, I don't know if marsh is back.
Maybe we keep it within three touchdowns. Yeah, I think
you are within three touchdowns. Yeah, no, I I think
that they're rolling right now. Listen, and I have made fun.
USC is one of my poster children for for Overrated.
Every year they really are, like you can set your

(01:23:56):
watch to it. This year not so much, but you
o US he's number ten. I'm betting all over that. Okay,
they look legit as a guy who is these bags
under my eye can attest to as a guy who
stays up way too late watching college football games. I've
seen USC a couple of times this year, and I

(01:24:16):
think his breakdown of US is spot on. I don't
think they are top of the conference elite yet, but
offensively they're I mean, the numbers speak for themselves. And
I think defensively in the past, you guys know when
Caleb was there, defense was optional. Yeah, maybe we'll play defensive.
We're not going to mix any defense in today, so

(01:24:38):
let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
I think you know you want to make a statement. Though,
you want to make a statement, go out there.

Speaker 20 (01:24:45):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Hang.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
I don't think anybody's expecting to win.

Speaker 6 (01:24:49):
JB.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
I'm not expecting to win.

Speaker 10 (01:24:50):
I'm not expecting to win. But as you said, if
you can just go out there and hang, that proves
something to me. It might not be the best, but
it just proves that, hey, you can go out there,
Pete with anyone in the big ten.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
This is again why schedules are so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Funny, and this this was a game that you thought, well, maybe,
and now heading into that week you're like, no, no,
I mean, I don't know if there are any Spartan
fans that feel the same way we do. I just
able to be wonderful if they want, I don't see it.
But conversely, the game against UCLA all of a sudden
is just like, if you don't win that game, shame
on you. They're a debacle and absolute mess. And maybe

(01:25:29):
at the beginning of the year that was a fifty
to fifty game in your mind, you know, So just
find a way. This is where we're at, whether we
like to admit it or not. Okay, we're in the
pre D'Antonio era again. We are well, gollie gee, if
this goes right and that goes right, maybe we can
make a bowl game.

Speaker 6 (01:25:46):
Dam just double twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
That that that's gonna need a reboot.

Speaker 6 (01:25:50):
It hasn't been.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
Hey. Herb Nash in the chat says, well, we see
a USC quarterback crying in the stands.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
I hope so.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
Detroit honey man is having more confidence in m s
U against USC than Michigan against Nebraska.

Speaker 16 (01:26:05):
Lo l.

Speaker 5 (01:26:06):
I didn't say that. I just said I haven't been confident.
I said they're not a playoff team. That's all you said.

Speaker 6 (01:26:11):
You see nothing from Michigan, which is crazy. You don't
see anything from Michigan nothing right, gave even nothing.

Speaker 5 (01:26:17):
Yeah, they have a terrific running back. The quarterback is
gonna be a good one. That's what I hear.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
I think that's something, man, it's something. I don't think
they're a playoff team.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
Okay, that's hard enough.

Speaker 4 (01:26:29):
I think they win I think that nine games.

Speaker 16 (01:26:32):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
I got killed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Do you remember I got killed in the summer JB
one one show where I had the audacity to say
I think they can go ten too and make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:26:39):
And there were some.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
People mad at me for saying that. Yeah, like like
mad at me, and and and it's I'm not saying
that this team is great. I'm saying what they are
now and what they are at the end of the
year are gonna be two different things. A little bit
of of last year, a little yeah for the better
and I mean that, okay, And and and you know,
last year it was the wink factor. This year it's

(01:27:00):
going to be a true freshman quarterback. What he is
now and what he is for that last game against
Ohio State are two different things.

Speaker 5 (01:27:08):
It just is.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
But I'm gonna say it again.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Okay. I said I wasn't gonna bore you with all this.
I'm gonna bore you with all this. Okay, you want
Michigan schedule the rest of the way. You're at Nebraska,
you host Wisconsin, You're at USC. Like I said, suddenly
that looks a little different.

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Okay, that's tough.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
You have Washington at home, you're at Michigan State, you
host Purdue, you're at Northwestern, you're at Maryland, and you
host Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
I'm sorry, you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
I look at that, and I don't think it's crazy
to say, maybe you lose one of those games.

Speaker 6 (01:27:39):
Yeah, maybe ten and two is a stretch, because I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Think so too.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Well, the USC game now is something different. It's something different.

Speaker 6 (01:27:47):
Yeah, I don't know, but it just depends on how,
once again, how they let Bryce Underwood carry this offense
because defensively, I have no qualms. They'll be okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
If I had a do over right now, I said
ten and two. With the getting of the year, I
said I thought they would beat Oklahoma, they would mix
in a loss somewhere along the way, and I said
it just like that, and I think they lose to
Ohio State. Okay, that's that's just one man's opinion. If
I had to do over right now, I'd say nine
and three. If I had to do over right because
the three games that I think you really have to

(01:28:18):
worry about, mass thinks Michigan State is one of them.
I'm not ready to bring my mind there. See, I
feel the same way. The three games you have to
worry about Nebraska, USC in Ohio State. Win one of
those three, win one of those three, that's it, and
you're nine and three.

Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Most likely it'll be UFC if i'm if, I'm just
looking at it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
But yeah, absolutely, I don't see you losing the Northwestern
I don't see you losing to Washington. I don't see
you know, Maryland, I don't I don't see any of that.
I don't see any of Michigan USC.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
Youre gonna be eleven o'clock game too. No, you know that.

Speaker 9 (01:28:51):
You know you don't like night games.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
I'm joking.

Speaker 11 (01:28:54):
You know what you know?

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
I hone that. You know what happens. This is what
happens when you fall.

Speaker 4 (01:29:02):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
It wasn't that long ago that it was Michigan State
that was the primetime game. Those Michigan State Oregon games
were classic. Remember I did the open for the one game.
I'm sitting at home and people are blowing up my phone, going,
is that your dumb voice? Yes, that's my dumb voice. Okay,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
That's the yes yet. But that's what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
If you're not doing well, there gonna put you on
in primetime.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
You got nobody to blame about yourself. Oh that sucks.
It does suck.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
Okay for people like me, it doesn't matter because I'm
up anyway. All right again, Bags under the eyes tell
you all you need to know. But if you don't
like it, made improve your lot, Yeah, improve your lot.
If Michigan State was the Michigan State of ten years ago.
That game's at eight o'clock at night.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
You haven't got ABC facts.

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
That's it, all of a sudden us the brand is
coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
They put that game out at eight o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:29:55):
But you've been Michigan State of the last while. So yeah,
they're gonna put it in.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
I totally get it. I totally get it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
All right, I'll lay the points.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
What is it, seventeen and a half?

Speaker 6 (01:30:07):
Yeah, they can't cover that.

Speaker 17 (01:30:08):
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Not with not with the upheaval and the defensive lapses.

Speaker 11 (01:30:16):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
I hope I'm wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
Defense has spartanation.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
You guys, rain on me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
If they find a way to win that game, rain
on me.

Speaker 6 (01:30:23):
But I have like no comment on USC money line
for sure, shout out, shout out to Detroit Gunny, watch
your mouth. Though I will not be saying this season
will be a wash. This season is far from a
wash regardless, Like they gonna do what they gonna do.
But I have confidence in Bryce and I hope that
they can be a playoff team on September eighteenth.

Speaker 9 (01:30:43):
That's currently now.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
It is not a wash.

Speaker 6 (01:30:46):
It is not a wash. If you want to know
my feelings week to week. Make sure you tap into
Big D Energy eleven to one. You get my feelings
week ago and shout out to herb Nash. No, there
there's no friction between Justice Haynes and and uh Bryce On.
I think that was just a game time thing. They
worked it out. They're gonna be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
It happens, I really it happens, ye, but yeah, it
happens like that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
It happens sometimes, you know, especially when you're you're a kid.
You're the leader of that team man as a freshman exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:31:16):
And got a command, even if it was people the
wrong way. Yeah, I think Justice Haynes understood. They were
wrapping it up after that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
I'm not worried about it. All right, some more Lions
stuff when we come back. The biggest Tiger game of
the year this afternoon. Man Like, seriously, it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
Three something this afternoon. We're gonna get some answers. See
the five and a half or.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Three and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
A Thursday night game tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
Too, Thursday afternoon game?

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
Are they really football?

Speaker 6 (01:31:48):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
On all right, A couple of things before we find
out what's trying to with JB.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
Smooth.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Always appreciate you guys, seriously, thank you so much for
being in here. We heard from Jared Goff earlier talking
about Isaac Teslaw. How about Jared Goff talking about Sonic
and Knuckles.

Speaker 18 (01:36:28):
Both these guys are complete backs. Both of them can
do all three of those things. And you know, I
joke about all the time like they would both if
they were on their own teams, they would both have
three hundred touches or whatever it may be is you know,
top touches in the league. But having them both on
the same team, I think only makes them both better,
not only from like pushing each other and practice and whatnot,
but they're both fresh when they come in the game, dude.
And that's a rare thing that you don't see very often,

(01:36:50):
is these high level backs coming in fresh and without
like you know, coming in the fourth quarter already having
twenty touches on them, Like they both have ten or
so touches by the four quarter and can kind of
still have that juice.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
At the end.

Speaker 18 (01:37:02):
And I can't say enough good things about them. And
like you said, in protection, they're both tremendous.

Speaker 11 (01:37:06):
They really are.

Speaker 6 (01:37:07):
They're smart, they know where to go.

Speaker 18 (01:37:08):
They stick their face in there and they do their best.
And those guys are awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
You heard Jared Goff talk about protection, what Baldy talked
about protection. Look, it is imperative quarterback. I will say
it again, it is even more imperative for Jared Golf.
Brian Baldinger talked about Gos's protection.

Speaker 15 (01:37:28):
Some of these protections by the Lions. It's unbelievable. I mean,
Jared Goff has time to FaceTime his wife right here,
ask her how she's doing. Is she's got good seats,
good view. I mean, this is the cradle of love.
Like there's nobody near him, no wonder why he can
throw the ball on the outside corner of the plate
right there to Monro Saint Brown.

Speaker 6 (01:37:47):
It's perfect.

Speaker 15 (01:37:48):
It's one after another, like there's no leaky faucets right here,
there's no bears leaking through getting through the cracks right here.
Jared Goff just setting up shot and making one good
throw after another, like right on the money, Like it's
amazing that he misses jameson Williams on this throw because
here it is like the Lions are in attack mode again.

Speaker 6 (01:38:10):
I mean, is he facetiming his wife right now? He's
got time to snapchat, check his emails, you name it.

Speaker 15 (01:38:16):
Like, I'm amazed that he missed that throw to jameson
that could have been easy. But even like this right here,
this throw to James and Williams, he makes up for
it again. The protection is crazy, Like just stand on
that logo of the Lions at Ford Field and make
that throw to James and Williams.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
I mean.

Speaker 15 (01:38:34):
It's an indictment on the Bear's pass rush. It's a
great story about the Lions protection and all the things
that they fixed from week one in Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Well, get the guys open.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
He was facetiming Kristen.

Speaker 6 (01:38:51):
Gee, hold the petee.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
It's awesome.

Speaker 6 (01:38:54):
It's all about a turnaround for week Wonder loves the Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Like you know what, Mas, I'm going to do a
shout out because you said the magic name Christ. Shout
out to my wife Kristen twenty eight years twenty eight
The hell was that woman thinking, Jesu?

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
She needs justice?

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
Yeah, she'd probably write some.

Speaker 4 (01:39:19):
Christ to look out all right, So Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Guys's press conference yesterday, and Steve, this is such a
waste of a question.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
I get it, Carlos, but deep down inside, you know
what a waste of a question.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
Carlos did talk to Ben Johnson earlier in the week.
He did. Now he's talking to Stevie.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Carlos talking to Steve about his job security.

Speaker 22 (01:39:41):
You do you feel that urgency and pressure if you
don't make the playoffs this year? You know, Chris might
make a change.

Speaker 7 (01:39:48):
Well, Carlos, I see progress in the organization. I look
at it differently than you look at it. You just
want us to make the playoffs, which is fine. I'm
not gonna argue with you about that. I look at
the young players coming into the organization. I look at
the young players playing on the Detroit Red Wings today.

(01:40:11):
I'm hopeful that maybe one or two of them at
some point, if not at the start, get into our
lineup here. So at some point during the season, and
we continue to build a young core that that eventually
is here for a long time and competes on a
regular basis to make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
So that's what we're trying to do.

Speaker 7 (01:40:33):
Chris and I have spoken, and going back to when
he hired me, that it's going to take a long time,
and we're going to be patient and and we're going
to be you know, allow our young players to develop.
We're going to rely heavily on the draft and hopefully
over time these young players that we draft turn into
NHL players. So how many years is it's supposed to take,

(01:40:56):
I don't know. Is it four, is it five, is
it ten? Ultimately its ownership's decision when they feel that
they're not happy with the direction of the club or
the plan, that that's their decision. But Chris and I
have spoken about it, and he's understood the process and
where we're at. And again I'm not going to speak

(01:41:17):
for him, but you know, we're not completely tone deaf obviously, Carlos.
We know they're at the expectations and the hopes for
our fan base and for the media as well. But
we'll continue with the process and look for opportunities, as
I said, to expedite it, whether that's through trade or

(01:41:37):
free agency. But we'll continue with doing what we have
to do. And ultimately, my job is to do what's
right for the organization and I will continue to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
Four or five or ten.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
You guys can guard. You guys can get mad at Carlos.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
And I think Carlos Moneses free press.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Carlos was standing here right now and I looked at
him during the break and I said, Carlos, I Understan,
you have to do a job, but you also understand
that is a useless question.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
He'd probably say, yes.

Speaker 6 (01:42:05):
I think he's hot take guy, because after week one
he put out the article that oh our.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Brad and Dan seats heating up, Like, well, that's what
he does that, it's his it's his bit, but deep
down inside he knows there's nothing less.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
There is zero percent chance that Steve Eisman loses.

Speaker 6 (01:42:24):
His based on who he is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
Zero person like it.

Speaker 6 (01:42:27):
You cannot like it. Based on who this man is
and what he did for this city, he's going to
get the maximum amount of leads.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Do you know when Steve Heisman leaves the Detroit Red Wings?
When he chooses to leave the Detroit Red Wings, I
firmly believe that I cannot see this franchise, especially what
he means to his late father, Chris's late father and
his mother, and.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
What he means to Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
I cannot envision a scenario where Steve Eiserman is asked
to step down.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
I cannot.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
I can't fathom it. Short of something catastrope. I won't
even put it out in the areas, Okay, I can't.
I cannot think of a scenario. So I know there's frustration.
I know that red wing fans are really divided right
now because there are a lot of people that are frustrated,
and rightfully so, because I think this, this has took

(01:43:17):
taken longer than a lot of people thought. You've watched
teams kind of blow past them in the process, and
then you have the other people that are saying relaxed,
calm et cetera, et cetera. But I think it's the
kick the can down the scenario. Don't worry, wait till
you see what's next. Okay, There's always something next.

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
Is Madonca playing for them right always?

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Max Clark who get called up sometimes, don't worry, It's
always something next.

Speaker 3 (01:43:43):
And what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
I want to be blown away and wowed about what's here, okay,
and and Casper that that's my number one guy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
I honestly, right now, I want to see the jump
that he takes this year. Okay, that's not.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
To say that there isn't still a level for a
guy like Cider and a guy like Raymond, but they've
kind of plateaued the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
If we're being honest, right, we thought the jump would happen.
It hasn't happened.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
So, Carlos, you know, deep down inside, I'm never gonna
begrudge a dude for doing his job. That question has
to be asked, whether you want it to admit it
or not. But whether you want to admit it or not,
it's also a useless question. Isn't going anywhere unless he wants.

Speaker 5 (01:44:22):
To Wings in Traverse City today to start camp. You've
been to a few adults.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
Yeah, it's fun. It's fun up there. Such a gosh.
I love that area.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Beautiful era, beautiful area. All Right, one more thing, and
I agree with this logic. I agree that the Red
Wings aren't in the place that the Lions are. Okay,
let me use an example. Trey Hendrickson, the Bengals are
out of it. Okay, what do you want me to
give you for a rental? I know there's no way
in hell we're signing this guy at the end of

(01:44:51):
the year.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
I know that, Okay, it just you can't fit him in.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
But would I give up multiple first round picks for
a guy like Trey Hendrickson to give yourself a chance
to get that Super Bowl? I would. I'm not sure
if this franchise, well, that's the epitome of a rental.
The Red Wings aren't in that position yet to go
get a rental. Steve Eiserman talks about that.

Speaker 22 (01:45:12):
Can you tell us? Can you explain? I mean, it
seems like what you're talking about is dynasty building. I
think a lot of general managers think that way. I
want to build something sustainable. Is it now just the
time to consider just getting into the playoffs something that
might buy you a little bit more time by you
sort of more buying from fans, from media, get people
off your back.

Speaker 7 (01:45:35):
While you talk about dynasties, like how many dynasties truly
are there? You know, I'm not trying to build the dynasty.
If that ever happens, God will all be thrilled. Trying
to build a team that competes for a Stanley Cup
and can win a Stanley Cup. So you know, again,

(01:45:57):
I'm going to do what I what I think is right.
And you know, with each draft, with each free agency period,
with each trade deadline, with the goal of trying to
improve our team, there is great value, no question in
making the playoffs. But but you know, if we go
back to the last year's trade deadline to which the

(01:46:18):
opportunity wasn't even there to do it, but to trade
first round picks for rentals and things like that with
older players.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
He's not wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
We've changed the definition of dynasty in our lifetime, okay,
and I can speak from Mas and I perspective. You
had the Habs win four in a row with a
guy by the name of Scotti Bowman. You had the
Islanders win for in a row right after that, Okay,
then you had the Oilers win four out of five
and five out of seven.

Speaker 4 (01:46:46):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
We're living in an era now where the Pittsburgh Penguins
might win a couple in a row, the Tampa Lightning
might win a couple in a row. The Florida Panthers
have won a couple in a row. If they make
it three, we might have to revisit the conversation, right,
But that's the era that we live in now.

Speaker 4 (01:47:02):
Okay, with cost circuit that's a dynasty.

Speaker 3 (01:47:05):
Now, yeah, that's a dynasty.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
So he's not wrong there, and I also agree with him.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
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is the hot free agent and he can go to
July one, and I tell kg KG, we really want
you to be a Detroit red Wing. Okay, okay, we're
making this deal for you, but I want to make
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(01:47:32):
lock you up long term.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Yeah, man, I'm in.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Okay, then I make the deal. Okay, but for just
for a rental. If you tell me two months later,
Hey man, I know all the capital you gave up,
but I gotta go. No, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
I'm not making that deal, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
If you tell me I got a chance. All right,
let's sit down right now, let's start negotiating a long
term We're gonna give you everything that you want. We
want you to be a Detroit red Wing. I make
that deal. But if you're gonna go test free agency
in three in three weeks, would I do?

Speaker 6 (01:48:00):
What's the point?

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
I'm in a ducking loaded potato yes, lord.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Yes, yes, I am so in.

Speaker 6 (01:52:40):
I've never had tra duck in.

Speaker 10 (01:52:42):
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Speaker 7 (01:52:48):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
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I've never been with a city with better cuisine ever.
It is absolutely phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
And man, now you're gonna make me go to New
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Speaker 6 (01:53:08):
I don't want to go too.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
That is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
I'm in, I am in.

Speaker 9 (01:53:14):
I just gotta wonder what the price is on this
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Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Man?

Speaker 6 (01:53:23):
Is that good potato?

Speaker 19 (01:53:26):
Is?

Speaker 3 (01:53:27):
Duck is one of those things? Oh man, you gotta
do it right.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
You got it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
You gotta do duck right, same thing with lamb.

Speaker 6 (01:53:32):
You ever cooked the duck?

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
I have not done duck now. No, that was the
first thing that popped through my mind. If my buddy
Mike is watching, Mike, we gotta do a duck, we
got it. My family would kill me if I went
away from the Cajun turkey.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
Like legitimately.

Speaker 17 (01:53:50):
His eye.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
Don't you need the original turkey?

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Though?

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
Like, don't you like you need like.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
Tomato?

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Everybody destroys the cage in first, and it's like, all right, well,
I guess I'll go back to Grandma's turkey.

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
Yeah, it always is second choice.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
At least it might do you fry him?

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
I have in the past. I haven't the I'm telling
you my my family swears by it. The smoke Cajun turkey.
It just doesn't get better than that. In my one
man's opinion, doesn't nothing get better.

Speaker 6 (01:54:21):
Than that rock with me, Shine Cage.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
I could try it. I could try it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
That's a lot of effort, though, dude, I'm willing to
do it. I'm willing to put in the word yeah,
that's that's a lot of effort, but I'm I'm willing
to try that. I can do that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:41):
I'll take one of those costco rot chickens phenomenal, They're good.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
I'm not gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
I'll take my own first, but if I like, I'll
grab one of those.

Speaker 6 (01:54:56):
In destroy used to corner game here back in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:55:01):
Oh yeah, girl, the cooker one isn't bad either.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
Get that little it's like eight bucks or whatever. Not
even I can destroy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
One of those like that easy.

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
That's a good postgame meal for justice. You go straight.
I can get some justice and grab a turkey. There
might be more justice went by the time I'm done.

Speaker 17 (01:55:23):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:55:29):
Just a couple of guys messing around.

Speaker 9 (01:55:30):
Just a couple of guys messing around, That's all it is. Mass.

Speaker 10 (01:55:34):
I know you got your fandom of many teams out
there as well too, but I know you wouldn't go
this far like this fan did because apparently he has
given up his Dallas.

Speaker 9 (01:55:46):
And switched to the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (01:55:49):
He switched it to the Chiefs.

Speaker 10 (01:55:51):
He switching to the Chiefs. And he got a tattoo
covering up his Dallas cow tattoo of the Chief's low.

Speaker 6 (01:55:59):
So it's a lot of pain. But he's getting the
actual chief on his back. That's not the chief's logo. Well, yeah,
actual chief.

Speaker 9 (01:56:07):
He had an actual chief.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
That's awful.

Speaker 9 (01:56:14):
You went from a cowboy to a chief.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
Wow, I'm mad.

Speaker 6 (01:56:17):
That looked like mass from the back though, what that
maybe mass man, you don't have.

Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
No mass.

Speaker 6 (01:56:26):
Probably got a tramp step somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:56:28):
I got no tax.

Speaker 6 (01:56:29):
Has got a tramp step from his club.

Speaker 4 (01:56:32):
Wow, look at chief man. Yeah, club tramp step.

Speaker 6 (01:56:39):
They had to shave his back just to do the
Jesus Man.

Speaker 9 (01:56:45):
Okay, but yep, he has transitioning over into a Chiefs fan.

Speaker 10 (01:56:49):
So that's a transition, true transition. And finally, I will
and what's training with this? This is why you always
go to planning fitness because these other gyms they just
give you a hassle.

Speaker 9 (01:57:03):
You can do it so far?

Speaker 4 (01:57:10):
Know how much weight was he doing? Concussion batman?

Speaker 6 (01:57:13):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
The way there is a laws soon coming justice.

Speaker 9 (01:57:20):
See that's why I should have went the planets on
the table.

Speaker 6 (01:57:23):
No, I'm calling Ben Johnson, boy Jesus, top dog somebody,
Oh my god, top dog.

Speaker 3 (01:57:30):
Somebody's gonna pick somebody, get.

Speaker 4 (01:57:32):
Called, oh my god, top dog.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
Law a w before we get out of here. Two things, mas,
have a great weekend. We'll see you again Tuesday. Right, yes, sir, okay?
Do the Tigers win today? Starting with kg kg yes,
mass JB no yes, two yes, it's two nose.

Speaker 3 (01:57:53):
What's the line tonight? Bill's dolphins twelve all right.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Bills all day long.

Speaker 4 (01:58:00):
Dolphins come on to cover the spread. Yeah, bills, bills
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Man's have a great weekend, have a great time with
your your daughter. Social you can't put a price.

Speaker 4 (01:58:12):
And then Titans Colt just all I ask.

Speaker 3 (01:58:16):
I don't ask for much. Send me a picture and
let me know if the crane is there or not.

Speaker 4 (01:58:20):
You got it. It is there.

Speaker 5 (01:58:23):
Now maybe if you're good, I'll bring that possible. I'll
bring you home with Diego Pavia T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
And I'd wear it with pride. Sure all will see
you guys, come out in peace,
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