July 19, 2025 • 32 mins
In this conversation, Elizabeth and Sam discuss the recent tragic shooting incident involving Minnesota lawmakers. They delve into the background of the shooter, exploring his mental health issues, political affiliations, and the impact of conspiracy theories. The discussion also touches on the aftermath of the incident, including the effects on the shooter's family and the legal proceedings that follow.
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Hey everybody. I want to introduce you to a new
segment we're calling Political Retrograde.
The host for this is going to beElizabeth Greer.
So this is a new thing she's doing.
She's doing all the research. We wanted to tie politics with
true crime so that we could bothwork with something.
We're passionate. About Yeah, For all of those
listeners like me who care less about the politics and more
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about the true crime, this one'sfor you all.
Right. So what are you presenting for
our first? Episode.
Yeah. So for our first episode, I
thought that we would keep it a little more current than biggest
and most recent crime was the shootings of the Minnesota
lawmakers, the state Representative Melissa Hortman
and her husband and tragically their golden retriever, as well
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as Senator John Hoffman and his wife, who were wounded.
So I guess we'll just get into it, yeah.
Tell us what happened. All right, so start some
background. So the shooter's name was Vance
Boulter. He was 57 and he's from Green
Isle, MN. He's married, father of five.
I found that he was of the Christian faith, but also very
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intolerant of the LGBTQA Plus committee.
For a while, he was enrolled at Christ for the Nations Institute
in Dallas. That was from 1988 until 1990,
when he graduated with a diplomain practical theology and
leadership and pastoral. But according to a statement
from the school that they haven't had any contact with him
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since what he went to school for.
It offers programs and certificates to students
interested in evangelical ministry and missionary work.
The institute is not accredited and it is rooted in Pentecostal
tradition and seeks mostly from the Holy Spirit and the study of
the Bible. As far as what he did for a
living, there's a lot of different things.
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They there was some talk about him running a security company.
He has a history, decades long history of working in the food
industry. Apparently he quit the food
industry to work on agriculturalprojects in Central Africa.
He's kind of a oddball. He then has history of a 711
manager and a airport gas station manager.
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That's. Right from Minnesota.
Yeah. And then also he listed on some
resume at some point that in 2017 he was an executive at an
energy company. I know all over the map, but the
most recent one is that he worked for funeral homes on the
side and his job was removing dead bodies from, you know,
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wherever, like funeral or nursing homes, things like that.
He would do whatever he had to, to, quote, pay the bills.
So aside from that, we know thathe and his wife were avid
doomsday preppers and that he had left instructions for what
he called a bailout plan and that involved traveling to his
mother in law's home in Spring Brook, Wisconsin.
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And this was in the event of exigent circumstances.
So more about him. And here in Iowa, we register or
typically declare a party when we vote.
A lot of people were saying thathe was a Democrat.
Well, in Minnesota, voters don'tdeclare affiliation with
register. So in 2016, there was a report
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that on his work board that he was none for political party.
In 2020 he listed no party preference, however one of his
close friends and roommate he was renting a small room from
came out and said that yes, he was a Trump supporter and was
specifically anti abortion and that was the thing he was most
passionate about. On June 13th, he prepaid his
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friend four months of rent, which was pretty cheap because
he was just renting one room. It's about $220 a month.
And why was he renting a room ifhe had a wife and kids?
I'm not sure. I think he or.
Were they located somewhere else?
Yeah, I don't know because they talked about his wife and kids,
but then he was like also with this guy all the time that spoke
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out after the events. So I don't know.
I couldn't find a lot about why he, yeah, wasn't living with his
wife. But there's also every day
there's more coming out. So I'm kind of interested to see
if any of that comes to light. Yeah.
So the morning of, he sent a text to some of his friends that
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just said be dead shortly. They were like, hey, what?
What do you mean be dead shortly?
He's like, I began to plan. I don't want to say any more and
implicate you in any way. You guys don't know anything
about this, but I love you guys.And I'm sorry for all the
trouble this has caused. So it was, it was incredibly
premeditated. So Bolter disguises himself as
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law enforcement and the 1st place he went is the home of
Senator Hoffman. This was about this is very
early in the morning, around 2:00 AM, two to 3:00 AM.
Bolter knocked on the door. He announced himself as the
officer. Hoffman's adult daughter was
home. Her name is Hope.
She opened the door to answer itand the senator noticed
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immediately that he had a gun and he started firing.
The senator charged him. He was shot 9 times and then his
wife was shot 8 times trying to shut the door.
When they answered the door, he was in a face mask, but he had
all the police gear on. So the dog was also
unfortunately shot in this incident.
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And, yeah, Hope was uninjured. Yeah, she was able to call 911.
But then Walter left. He traveled to homes of two
other elected officials, the first one being unrest, which
came out later. But he was out there.
He was staked out in front of her house, and he wasn't getting
an answer. He was knocking, but she wasn't
there. She came out later and said she
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was on vacation. So John Hoffman and his wife
both survived the shooting at 2:24 AM.
The city that he would then wentto was Maple Grove.
That was at 2:36 AM. New Hope, a neighboring town,
was also the home of a state lawmaker and they dispatched an
officer to watch the previously mentioned lawmakers home.
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So they sent someone to stake out the house because they knew
that if they shot Hoffman, they were probably going to get his
partner there. A police officer saw Bolter's
vehicle, but she had mistakenly identified it for a police
vehicle, so she drove up thinking someone else had been
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dispatched and the situation wasunder control.
She approached the vehicle and her car rolled down the window.
Tried to talk to him but he never made eye contact, just
kept staring straight so no one ever ended up surveilling the
situation. The officer proceeded down the
road to the senators home to keep watch.
At this time, Walter quietly left the scene, not exactly sure
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where. Then both went to Brooklyn Park.
A lot like New Hope, it was a neighboring town home to another
lawmaker, State Representative Melissa Hortman.
The Brooklyn Police Department dispatched two officers to the
home of Melissa Hortman. Upon arrival, the officers
observed Bolter's vehicle in thedriveway and Bolter himself a
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few feet from the door. When Bolter noticed the
officers, he reportedly opened fire, burst into the home of the
representatives, shot and killedboth Melissa Hortman and her
husband, and burst out of the back of the house, fleeing on
foot. So from here divulged into a 2
day manhunt, it's not really clear what he was doing for
these two days. He was ultimately arrested
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without incident near his farm in Green Isle, MN.
See, I saw a conflicting report saying that he had like a
shootout with police at the Holtman's and they caught him
from there. And that's what was so confusing
to me about this was that it seems like the initial.
Reports weren't, yeah, no, they were not accurate.
I think they were maybe like worried that it was, I think
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they were worried because he wasthat large and he had just
murdered two people and tried tokill two more people.
When he they did catch him and they found his car, they found
four AK 40 sevens, 2 of them being illegally modified.
They also found a text he sent to his wife after the incident.
And all it said was prepare for war I I tried to look into why,
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what are what were the motives? There's really not a lot.
There's nothing definitive. I mean, he's he is still alive
to this day. They just buried the two that
unfortunately did not survive. And the other ones are
recovering. They've been teach discharged.
They they're in rehab. They're hoping to make a full
recovery. So like I said, motives, we
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don't really know. We know that he served on a
state economic board with State Senator John Hoffman.
He was one of the victims. However, there's no record that
they knew each other. Walter was also appointed to the
panel, the Minnesota Governor's Work Force Development Board, in
2016 by a Democratic former governor, Mark Dayton.
Just to put into perspective, the board has 41 members
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appointed by the governor and its members try to improve
business development in the state.
He was later reappointed by Governor Tim Waltz, who was also
a Democrat. Mr. Bolter and Mr. Hoffman
attended a virtual meeting together in 2022 for a
discussion about the job market and the aftermath of the COVID
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pandemic. Minutes from the meeting show
officials said that they did notknow if they had any kind of
relationship. Members would report that it
would be easy to not know each other.
With 41 members on the board, itcould be easy to never really
cross paths. And it's also clear that to
recently reported extreme financial challenges as well as
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mental health challenges. So part of me maybe thinks that
has something to do with why he was live renting one room from
some guy. He was also found out of a hit
list of 45 people, all of them being Democrats.
It's hard to say. It sounds from all the research
it's looking like the most likely scenario is that he was.
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This was all for anti abortion in addition to him just kind of
being crazy and not being able to handle it.
So this guy got really, really into Alex Jones.
Alex Jones, if you don't know, he's a conspiracy theorist.
He hosts the Alex Jones Show. He has the longest running
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online news and political talk show, but he also is the founder
of Infowars and banned video websites that promote conspiracy
theories and fake news. So there's a lot of accusations
that Vance Boulter, the shooter,got pretty much obsessed with
Alex Jones and became indoctrinated into his beliefs,
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which also are anti abortion andpretty serious conspiracy
theories and some pretty dark stuff.
And from there he kind of just went off the deep end and
committed these murders. I know that he had his first
appearance in front of the judgeand the only thing he said was
that he's looking forward to thetruth of what happened that day
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So do you think he worked with or for politicians just because
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it just happened to be Democratsthat were in charge?
Like it has nothing to do with the actual people he worked
with, he was just trying to get into politics.
I definitely think he was interested in politics, but he
was just fine working alongside Democrats.
Every time he was voted onto a board or some form of politics,
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it was by a Democrat. But I don't know, he, he lost
it. I mean, he, he really supported
Alex Jones. And now that with the whole
thing, all the things coming outabout Alex Jones saying Sandy
Hook didn't happen, oh, yeah. And that something else happened
to all of those kids. And like, is it cute?
Like now Alex Jones's followers are like coming after the
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parents of the Sandy Hook victim, saying what actually
happened to your kid? What'd you do to your kid?
Where's your kid? And to me, that is one of the
most egregious things, yeah. That's so sometimes.
Alex Jones actually seems to be correct in some of his.
Conspiracy theories predicted 911.
Some of them do have Sandy, I will say that.
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But that Sandy Hook thing is? Wild.
Especially with everything that just happened in Texas.
Yes. Like it's gross.
Do you think Bolter was in a better mental space when he
worked with politicians and thenjust kind of spiraled?
Maybe in the beginning or maybe this is the politicians worked
with. I mean the politicians like in
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being in that that world drove him to yeah, his he clearly out
of fragile mental health to begin with, but I don't I don't
know. He has been charged federally
with stalking and murdering the Minnesota House Representative
Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, and stalking and
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shooting Minnesota State SenatorJohn Hoffman and his wife.
I can't believe they survived after being shot.
That's crazy. I know, I know.
The wife was shot through the door as she was trying to shut
it, so hopefully that helps. It's amazing to me that the
daughter never got shot. Yeah.
And the and somehow the dog. Did I know?
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And I like to think that maybe the dog tried to protect.
Right. And then it got in the way or.
Something and and yeah, and that's, that's why it is.
Yeah. There's no, I mean, there hasn't
been a clear motive. We don't know for sure why he
did it. I will be interested to see what
he says in court. Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't
he have? Wasn't there confusion about the
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manifesto? Because he had writings, but it
wasn't a manifesto, it was just one of them scribbling.
So he had all over the place. From what I found, he had at
least more than one journal of just like proof that he was
stalking the victims that he eventually shot.
Like their days, their routines,where they like to eat when they
went to work, things like that. But there's not been like a true
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manifesto come out of why he wasdoing it.
But it was the journals were basically just his plan from his
studies I guess. Keeping track of himself.
Yeah, it was research on his victims.
This was this was days, if not weeks or months premeditated.
OK. So what about his wife and kids?
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Like I know his wife was right included in the end of the world
planning. Does she know anything about his
plans to do this? Do you know?
I don't know. I know that when he was seen in
court, he told the judge he hadn't slept in 12 to 14 days,
which I don't. I mean, he says that his lights
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have been kept on in his cell around the clock, and he doesn't
have a pillow. He said there's loud noises
constantly around him. He's also done a really good job
of painting himself as the victim.
Cameras from his cell show on multiple occasions him resting
peacefully. Oh, really?
Yeah. They the well.
You kill people and you go to prison.
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I'm sorry you're not going to. Yeah.
No, you're down. On vacation.
But the sheriff's sheriff officehas come out and said he's being
treated like every other inmate and that it's too late now to
complain about the conditions inwhich he would he put himself
in. So yeah, he.
How old were the kids? Are the kids?
I don't know. I mean, I can look that.
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Up. It's not that important, I was
just wondering. I know it's weird. 55 kids,
Different homes. Yeah, Five kids.
I. Had no, I knew he well, I I did
recently learn he was married and I was that surprised me and
then I don't think I knew until you just told me today that he
hits five of them wild. Yeah, Bolter said also said to
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the judge. I think Minnesotans want to know
what's going on. So I'm not sure what's going on.
I don't know if they think maybesome other people were involved.
So it is wild that, and this is a conspiracy that has been
mentioned, it is wild that Wallshad that employee that was
guilty of the Tesla vandalism and now this guy.
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But as you explained it, he was actually hired by the previous
governor and really didn't even meet Walls, you know?
Yeah. There's probably nothing there,
just the coincidences. It's like he has ties to
politicians but like, not in real ways.
Right, Easily. I mean anyone, anyone can go to
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an event and shake hands with somebody and talk to them.
That doesn't mean that they're really doing a lot of work or
involved in the day-to-day process of it.
Yeah, I mean, at one point he was doing very well because he
and his wife owned a 3800 squarefoot house and just about an
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hour from downtown Minneapolis. They bought it in 2023 for more
than half $1,000,000. John Hoffman and Yvette Hoffman
were the two that didn't survive, but he, I mean they
were only, that's only 5 people on his list of 41 that he got.
It doesn't sound like he was ever a threat to the public, but
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he did take some had weird tripsto Africa like in 2022 and 2023
where he raved about, you know, anti abortion and anti-gay and
had signs like no kings and things like that.
Oh, that's right. I did hear that he had the no
kings. What?
I just think this guy's just whacked out.
Yeah. No, son, there's no.
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Because yeah, he's a Trump supporter, but he worked for
Democrats. He's anti abortion but he had no
kings Flyers. It just unfortunately sounds
like untreated mental illness. And everyone, everyone that knew
him prior to this was shocked that he had committed the
crimes. One of his friends came out and
said, you know, I would have been as shocked as if they said
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that he had gotten hit by lightning.
Wow. Yeah, so weird.
Yeah, I mean, I, I think his mental health.
So he is a married father of five, but often stayed at his
friend's house in Minneapolis toshorten his commute to work.
That's why he was paying $220 a month.
His friend was Carlson, and he came out and said that in
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hindsight he thinks he was a very sick man and needed help,
even if those around him didn't realize it.
OK, Yeah, Yeah, maybe he hit it well, and that would make sense
if the guy that he was renting aroom from, he probably saw him
on a more regular basis than anyone else.
Yeah, I don't, I know that he had been struggling to find work
in February. He had been or he had quit his
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job from with the Funeral Home that his job is like to be on
call and come remove bodies. So he was, he was, he had been
really struggling financially. But to me that doesn't make
sense because he has a half $1,000,000 house.
Yeah, that's strange. I'm sure that job escorting the
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bodies for nursing homes was notgood for his mental health
either if you're already in a sensitive state.
Yeah, He wanted to go to Africa,into like the Congo and be a
missionary there about Jesus. He had apparently done this a
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few times in the past, one time in the 90s.
He was caught by security forcesafter sneaking into Gaza to
preach Christianity on a trip toIsrael.
Yeah. So yeah, no business being
there. And he tried to sneak in to
preach Christianity. Yeah.
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So then when he became a Christian, he burnt all of his
belongings. He had a lot of karate and
martial arts weapons, and he gotrid of anything that distracted
him from religion. So he was very, he was very
involved with the church. Yeah.
Has the church come out and saidanything?
And hasn't responded to the church that he went to in
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Minneapolis, hasn't responded toany emails.
But they did issue just like a blanket statement saying that
the shootings are the opposite of what Jesus taught his
followers to do. When did you say?
The trial date was. They haven't set 1 yet.
This man was just living a normal life.
That's so weird. I'm going to guess there's going
to be MK Ultra theories flying around.
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Absolutely. He Yeah, it was.
I mean, it is weird that something like that just
happens. But if you if you look at his
past actions and his job and stability, you know, usually if
somebody can't hold down a job, that's an indicator that
something's going. On right and and like late, like
right before the on Saturday when these events happened, he
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texted the guy he was renting the room from Carlson and he
just warned him. He said going to be gone for a
while and may be dead shortly asI said earlier.
So the the friend got worried and thought he was suicidal and
was going to try to commit suicide.
Really to the point that he called the police and the police
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allegedly at 1st and it seemed too interested until they
connected the messages to the shootings.
Yeah, I don't know it the the friend.
Yeah, the friend that came out too says, you know, like he had
everything. I don't know why he did this,
but whatever financial issues hewas having, maybe, maybe
everyone else was unaware. Allegedly, the wife and her
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children are shocked by her husband's alleged involvement in
a recent attack on the Minnesotalawmakers.
So she's claiming not to know anything.
But yeah, she was a doomsday prepper, too.
So, like, part of me is like, what did you know?
I don't know. I can't imagine a world in where
I don't know a whole other side of my husband's life.
Yeah, yeah. I guess that's why him staying
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elsewhere for work, he had the opportunity to do that because
there's. So.
Kyle, even though we work different shifts, like there's
like, I know. Yeah, like you'd know if he was
planning a mass murder. Yeah, so, OK, so I did find
something about his wife other than her claiming to be shocked
and that she had no idea about any of this.
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She says that the violence doesn't align with their
family's beliefs or Christian faith, obviously, and that her
kids met with her and her kids met with the police at a gas
station a few hours after the killings.
They searched her vehicle and they found a safe, the whole
family's passports, $10,000 in cash along with two guns.
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So and but she hasn't been charged with anything.
So she, I mean, obviously she knew something was happening,
but maybe not. Well, I don't know.
In my family car, I guess I don't take.
I don't just have a safe with myentire family's passports and
$10,000. Yeah, so.
Yeah. I mean, what did she think was
happening? If there's nothing on the news
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to indicate that you need to leave the area for, I don't
know, a natural disaster in Minnesota, why do you have all
that in your in your? Vehicle I don't.
Just cause your husband told youto?
Yeah. And you have no questions about
it. Oh OK, honey, sounds good.
Yeah. So he, yeah, he has 55 kids,
four daughters, a son, and they're homeschooled, which also
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seems to be a trend. I hate to say that, but I think
when you homeschool children, itreminds me of like other
countries where they don't have any access other than to what
they're given, right? So I mean, the kids like aren't
they're not adults by any means.I think maybe a couple of them,
but. Hopefully they have some stable
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family willing to take them in. Man, I hope so.
That's yeah. Taking on five kids is a lot.
I feel really bad. For them, the wife's version of
events are She got a call from the police that morning.
She drove to meet the agents at a nearby gas station.
She she didn't get pulled over. She parked and waited for the
agents to arrive. Voluntarily agreed to answer
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questions, provide all items requested, and cooperate with
all searches. She didn't really do anything
wrong unless she knew that was his plan.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she suspected something was up.
Yeah, but she might not have known that was his plan.
I agree. And there's a world, you know,
there's a situation where maybe he put all the things in the
car. Yeah, somewhere.
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Like I didn't say where in the car they were found, but they
could have been hidden like in with the spare tire or under
some seats or. Something or maybe she's maybe
she's just like my husband's like losing it and I'm just
whatever He tells me the end of the world's coming.
I'm going to just do this. So it makes him feel better that
we're prepared. And yeah, her.
Statement was we are appalled and horrified by what occurred
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in our hearts are incredibly heavy for the victims of this
unfathomable tragedy. Now, I understand that she
didn't do anything wrong technically, but I have a hard
time just believing that she wascompletely, that she had no
culpability in the matter, you know?
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You know, like when the Gilgo Beach murders came out recently
and they found out who did it, the wife like kind of alluded
to. Like you can be denied.
Like you can put yourself in denial.
Like women do it when their husbands have affairs or vice
versa where you just pretend everything's fine.
So he because he had firearms, but he could have had those in
that room with the roommate, butwouldn't someone have seen like,
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OK, this guy's clearly breaking mentally like maybe he needs to
be hospitalized. I do understand how having two
homes would make things easier to cover up severe mental
illness. However, that also implies that
he knew what he was doing is something he shouldn't have been
doing if he was hiding it. So also, wouldn't you just know
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your husband's having a mental break?
I don't, I don't know the, the wife, her name's Jenny.
She said she was sorry that she doesn't know this person that
did it, like, you know, saying she doesn't know her her husband
could do it. And then she she actually
thanked law enforcement for catching him and protecting
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others from future harm. Vance Bolter he did when he
texted the group. He just said dad went to war
last night and then said the thing about not wanting to
implicate anybody. He texted his wife separately
and said words are not going to explain how sorry I am for the
situation. There's going to be some people
coming to the house armed and trigger happy and I don't want
you guys around then. I mean, they found the stuff for
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doomsday preppers. They had a backup bailout plan,
but that was supposedly only in the event of the end of the
world, not for him to do this right.
Which there are a lot of people that do prepare for stuff like
like especially, you know, like.COVID.
Well, Y2 Ki know people who started prepping for Y2K and
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then just never stopped because they're like, well, I've already
dedicated this little area in mybasement.
They just eat it, replenish it, and.
Whatever. I'm not a prepper.
Yeah, right. I'm not, I'm not a prepper.
If I, if someone was like, hey, do you want my bunker full of
stuff? I'd obviously take it because
what the fuck. But I'm, I'm just too lazy.
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And honestly, I've seen so many zombie movies.
Like if I'm gonna go, I don't know if I'm gonna fight, I might
just go out. Like, let's be real.
Do it. I don't want to live in that
world. Come I.
End up not being able to stay intheir own home anyway.
Well, it's. Up on the streets and the heat.
Yeah, fighting of zombies. What's the point?
We're all gonna be homeless. I don't think I would really get
that far ahead. Yeah, just it's really just too
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much work. That's why I'm not a prepper.
Yeah. No, I don't think the doomsday
prepper is, you know, resulting in him killing people.
I think he was a paranoid man for a long time.
Yeah I agree it could have started with the doomsday
prepping and then spiral. Yeah, right.
And then which a lot of it does.Yeah.
And then like him going to Africa in the Congo to like
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preach about about Jesus and about anti abortion, which the
whole point of being anti abortion is because people who
are anti abortion believe it's murder, right?
Yeah. But then he went and murdered
two people and tried to kill twomore.
Meanwhile and a dog got 5 effingkids at home and should be
working to pay for them. Yeah, instead of taking dead
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bodies around. Yeah, or instead of going to
Africa to reach anti abortion, take care of your five kids at
home. Like, yeah, if you're having
financial struggles, maybe now'snot the time to go to Africa and
do that. So just, I mean, it all just
sounds like just severe mental illness.
You know, I'm really trying to figure out, I want to know what
his wife did because. Well, yeah, because running a
(30:22):
711 or any of those other jobs and I'm not trying to downgrade.
Those jobs, no, but it would be hard to own a half $1,000,000.
House on that exactly. Yeah.
I don't know, maybe they were house.
Poor. OK, well, they did.
They did try to start a securitycompany.
They were going to call it Praetorian Guard Security
(30:42):
Services. And Jenny was the CEO and Vance
was director of security patrols.
Yeah, but you can just start anyold business and give yourself a
fancy name and. Yeah, right.
If you get an LLC, you don't even need an LLC.
Great. Yeah, I don't know, a couple
days a week. He stayed with his friend
Carlson in the city, but other than that, he stayed out in his
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half $1,000,000 house. So he must have been like, I
don't know if he's between jobs trying to get the security
company up and running, but it was clearly failing.
And he was in a ton of financialstress and a lot of debt because
of it. Yeah, But yeah, that guy, that
guy sucks. He's yeah, very senseless.
(31:23):
Very senseless killing. Well, yeah, I guess we'll hear
more about it later. And do you have any idea what
you will be doing next week or not next week, but.
Next month, yes, Next month. I don't know if any, I don't
know when we'll get this out. But as these come out, if
listeners have a request, I think we'll eventually kind of
get into some of the big juicy ones like the Kennedys.
(31:45):
Yeah. But we're definitely going to
have to break that down into parts because that is huge.
Yeah, yeah. Treasure trove.
We could do one whole series just about Marilyn Monroe,
right? So, yeah, we'll see.
Maybe I'll provide a little update on this one next month if
there's if anything new comes out.
And then, yeah, we'll get in. This is our first one.
(32:06):
So thanks, everyone, for sticking with us.
It'll get better as we go. Yeah, yeah.
Well, next time I'll lock the cat up.
I mean, I don't think he did 2. No, he's sleeping, look at him.
Shout out to Steve for being a good boy.
OK, alright. Thank you so much.
Yeah, alright, bye, I. Feel like we need like A tag
line.
Hey everybody. I want to introduce you to a new
segment we're calling Political Retrograde.
The host for this is going to beElizabeth Greer.
So this is a new thing she's doing.
She's doing all the research. We wanted to tie politics with
true crime so that we could bothwork with something.
We're passionate. About Yeah, For all of those
listeners like me who care less about the politics and more
(00:32):
about the true crime, this one'sfor you all.
Right. So what are you presenting for
our first? Episode.
Yeah. So for our first episode, I
thought that we would keep it a little more current than biggest
and most recent crime was the shootings of the Minnesota
lawmakers, the state Representative Melissa Hortman
and her husband and tragically their golden retriever, as well
(00:55):
as Senator John Hoffman and his wife, who were wounded.
So I guess we'll just get into it, yeah.
Tell us what happened. All right, so start some
background. So the shooter's name was Vance
Boulter. He was 57 and he's from Green
Isle, MN. He's married, father of five.
I found that he was of the Christian faith, but also very
(01:18):
intolerant of the LGBTQA Plus committee.
For a while, he was enrolled at Christ for the Nations Institute
in Dallas. That was from 1988 until 1990,
when he graduated with a diplomain practical theology and
leadership and pastoral. But according to a statement
from the school that they haven't had any contact with him
(01:39):
since what he went to school for.
It offers programs and certificates to students
interested in evangelical ministry and missionary work.
The institute is not accredited and it is rooted in Pentecostal
tradition and seeks mostly from the Holy Spirit and the study of
the Bible. As far as what he did for a
living, there's a lot of different things.
(02:00):
They there was some talk about him running a security company.
He has a history, decades long history of working in the food
industry. Apparently he quit the food
industry to work on agriculturalprojects in Central Africa.
He's kind of a oddball. He then has history of a 711
manager and a airport gas station manager.
(02:22):
That's. Right from Minnesota.
Yeah. And then also he listed on some
resume at some point that in 2017 he was an executive at an
energy company. I know all over the map, but the
most recent one is that he worked for funeral homes on the
side and his job was removing dead bodies from, you know,
(02:45):
wherever, like funeral or nursing homes, things like that.
He would do whatever he had to, to, quote, pay the bills.
So aside from that, we know thathe and his wife were avid
doomsday preppers and that he had left instructions for what
he called a bailout plan and that involved traveling to his
mother in law's home in Spring Brook, Wisconsin.
(03:07):
And this was in the event of exigent circumstances.
So more about him. And here in Iowa, we register or
typically declare a party when we vote.
A lot of people were saying thathe was a Democrat.
Well, in Minnesota, voters don'tdeclare affiliation with
register. So in 2016, there was a report
(03:28):
that on his work board that he was none for political party.
In 2020 he listed no party preference, however one of his
close friends and roommate he was renting a small room from
came out and said that yes, he was a Trump supporter and was
specifically anti abortion and that was the thing he was most
passionate about. On June 13th, he prepaid his
(03:53):
friend four months of rent, which was pretty cheap because
he was just renting one room. It's about $220 a month.
And why was he renting a room ifhe had a wife and kids?
I'm not sure. I think he or.
Were they located somewhere else?
Yeah, I don't know because they talked about his wife and kids,
but then he was like also with this guy all the time that spoke
(04:13):
out after the events. So I don't know.
I couldn't find a lot about why he, yeah, wasn't living with his
wife. But there's also every day
there's more coming out. So I'm kind of interested to see
if any of that comes to light. Yeah.
So the morning of, he sent a text to some of his friends that
(04:34):
just said be dead shortly. They were like, hey, what?
What do you mean be dead shortly?
He's like, I began to plan. I don't want to say any more and
implicate you in any way. You guys don't know anything
about this, but I love you guys.And I'm sorry for all the
trouble this has caused. So it was, it was incredibly
premeditated. So Bolter disguises himself as
(04:58):
law enforcement and the 1st place he went is the home of
Senator Hoffman. This was about this is very
early in the morning, around 2:00 AM, two to 3:00 AM.
Bolter knocked on the door. He announced himself as the
officer. Hoffman's adult daughter was
home. Her name is Hope.
She opened the door to answer itand the senator noticed
(05:19):
immediately that he had a gun and he started firing.
The senator charged him. He was shot 9 times and then his
wife was shot 8 times trying to shut the door.
When they answered the door, he was in a face mask, but he had
all the police gear on. So the dog was also
unfortunately shot in this incident.
(05:39):
And, yeah, Hope was uninjured. Yeah, she was able to call 911.
But then Walter left. He traveled to homes of two
other elected officials, the first one being unrest, which
came out later. But he was out there.
He was staked out in front of her house, and he wasn't getting
an answer. He was knocking, but she wasn't
there. She came out later and said she
(06:00):
was on vacation. So John Hoffman and his wife
both survived the shooting at 2:24 AM.
The city that he would then wentto was Maple Grove.
That was at 2:36 AM. New Hope, a neighboring town,
was also the home of a state lawmaker and they dispatched an
officer to watch the previously mentioned lawmakers home.
(06:23):
So they sent someone to stake out the house because they knew
that if they shot Hoffman, they were probably going to get his
partner there. A police officer saw Bolter's
vehicle, but she had mistakenly identified it for a police
vehicle, so she drove up thinking someone else had been
(06:45):
dispatched and the situation wasunder control.
She approached the vehicle and her car rolled down the window.
Tried to talk to him but he never made eye contact, just
kept staring straight so no one ever ended up surveilling the
situation. The officer proceeded down the
road to the senators home to keep watch.
At this time, Walter quietly left the scene, not exactly sure
(07:09):
where. Then both went to Brooklyn Park.
A lot like New Hope, it was a neighboring town home to another
lawmaker, State Representative Melissa Hortman.
The Brooklyn Police Department dispatched two officers to the
home of Melissa Hortman. Upon arrival, the officers
observed Bolter's vehicle in thedriveway and Bolter himself a
(07:29):
few feet from the door. When Bolter noticed the
officers, he reportedly opened fire, burst into the home of the
representatives, shot and killedboth Melissa Hortman and her
husband, and burst out of the back of the house, fleeing on
foot. So from here divulged into a 2
day manhunt, it's not really clear what he was doing for
these two days. He was ultimately arrested
(07:51):
without incident near his farm in Green Isle, MN.
See, I saw a conflicting report saying that he had like a
shootout with police at the Holtman's and they caught him
from there. And that's what was so confusing
to me about this was that it seems like the initial.
Reports weren't, yeah, no, they were not accurate.
I think they were maybe like worried that it was, I think
(08:12):
they were worried because he wasthat large and he had just
murdered two people and tried tokill two more people.
When he they did catch him and they found his car, they found
four AK 40 sevens, 2 of them being illegally modified.
They also found a text he sent to his wife after the incident.
And all it said was prepare for war I I tried to look into why,
(08:35):
what are what were the motives? There's really not a lot.
There's nothing definitive. I mean, he's he is still alive
to this day. They just buried the two that
unfortunately did not survive. And the other ones are
recovering. They've been teach discharged.
They they're in rehab. They're hoping to make a full
recovery. So like I said, motives, we
(08:56):
don't really know. We know that he served on a
state economic board with State Senator John Hoffman.
He was one of the victims. However, there's no record that
they knew each other. Walter was also appointed to the
panel, the Minnesota Governor's Work Force Development Board, in
2016 by a Democratic former governor, Mark Dayton.
Just to put into perspective, the board has 41 members
(09:19):
appointed by the governor and its members try to improve
business development in the state.
He was later reappointed by Governor Tim Waltz, who was also
a Democrat. Mr. Bolter and Mr. Hoffman
attended a virtual meeting together in 2022 for a
discussion about the job market and the aftermath of the COVID
(09:39):
pandemic. Minutes from the meeting show
officials said that they did notknow if they had any kind of
relationship. Members would report that it
would be easy to not know each other.
With 41 members on the board, itcould be easy to never really
cross paths. And it's also clear that to
recently reported extreme financial challenges as well as
(10:03):
mental health challenges. So part of me maybe thinks that
has something to do with why he was live renting one room from
some guy. He was also found out of a hit
list of 45 people, all of them being Democrats.
It's hard to say. It sounds from all the research
it's looking like the most likely scenario is that he was.
(10:24):
This was all for anti abortion in addition to him just kind of
being crazy and not being able to handle it.
So this guy got really, really into Alex Jones.
Alex Jones, if you don't know, he's a conspiracy theorist.
He hosts the Alex Jones Show. He has the longest running
(10:45):
online news and political talk show, but he also is the founder
of Infowars and banned video websites that promote conspiracy
theories and fake news. So there's a lot of accusations
that Vance Boulter, the shooter,got pretty much obsessed with
Alex Jones and became indoctrinated into his beliefs,
(11:07):
which also are anti abortion andpretty serious conspiracy
theories and some pretty dark stuff.
And from there he kind of just went off the deep end and
committed these murders. I know that he had his first
appearance in front of the judgeand the only thing he said was
that he's looking forward to thetruth of what happened that day
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So do you think he worked with or for politicians just because
(12:31):
it just happened to be Democratsthat were in charge?
Like it has nothing to do with the actual people he worked
with, he was just trying to get into politics.
I definitely think he was interested in politics, but he
was just fine working alongside Democrats.
Every time he was voted onto a board or some form of politics,
(12:52):
it was by a Democrat. But I don't know, he, he lost
it. I mean, he, he really supported
Alex Jones. And now that with the whole
thing, all the things coming outabout Alex Jones saying Sandy
Hook didn't happen, oh, yeah. And that something else happened
to all of those kids. And like, is it cute?
Like now Alex Jones's followers are like coming after the
(13:17):
parents of the Sandy Hook victim, saying what actually
happened to your kid? What'd you do to your kid?
Where's your kid? And to me, that is one of the
most egregious things, yeah. That's so sometimes.
Alex Jones actually seems to be correct in some of his.
Conspiracy theories predicted 911.
Some of them do have Sandy, I will say that.
(13:37):
But that Sandy Hook thing is? Wild.
Especially with everything that just happened in Texas.
Yes. Like it's gross.
Do you think Bolter was in a better mental space when he
worked with politicians and thenjust kind of spiraled?
Maybe in the beginning or maybe this is the politicians worked
with. I mean the politicians like in
(13:59):
being in that that world drove him to yeah, his he clearly out
of fragile mental health to begin with, but I don't I don't
know. He has been charged federally
with stalking and murdering the Minnesota House Representative
Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, and stalking and
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shooting Minnesota State SenatorJohn Hoffman and his wife.
I can't believe they survived after being shot.
That's crazy. I know, I know.
The wife was shot through the door as she was trying to shut
it, so hopefully that helps. It's amazing to me that the
daughter never got shot. Yeah.
And the and somehow the dog. Did I know?
(14:42):
And I like to think that maybe the dog tried to protect.
Right. And then it got in the way or.
Something and and yeah, and that's, that's why it is.
Yeah. There's no, I mean, there hasn't
been a clear motive. We don't know for sure why he
did it. I will be interested to see what
he says in court. Correct me if I'm wrong, didn't
he have? Wasn't there confusion about the
(15:03):
manifesto? Because he had writings, but it
wasn't a manifesto, it was just one of them scribbling.
So he had all over the place. From what I found, he had at
least more than one journal of just like proof that he was
stalking the victims that he eventually shot.
Like their days, their routines,where they like to eat when they
went to work, things like that. But there's not been like a true
(15:26):
manifesto come out of why he wasdoing it.
But it was the journals were basically just his plan from his
studies I guess. Keeping track of himself.
Yeah, it was research on his victims.
This was this was days, if not weeks or months premeditated.
OK. So what about his wife and kids?
(15:47):
Like I know his wife was right included in the end of the world
planning. Does she know anything about his
plans to do this? Do you know?
I don't know. I know that when he was seen in
court, he told the judge he hadn't slept in 12 to 14 days,
which I don't. I mean, he says that his lights
(16:08):
have been kept on in his cell around the clock, and he doesn't
have a pillow. He said there's loud noises
constantly around him. He's also done a really good job
of painting himself as the victim.
Cameras from his cell show on multiple occasions him resting
peacefully. Oh, really?
Yeah. They the well.
You kill people and you go to prison.
(16:29):
I'm sorry you're not going to. Yeah.
No, you're down. On vacation.
But the sheriff's sheriff officehas come out and said he's being
treated like every other inmate and that it's too late now to
complain about the conditions inwhich he would he put himself
in. So yeah, he.
How old were the kids? Are the kids?
I don't know. I mean, I can look that.
(16:49):
Up. It's not that important, I was
just wondering. I know it's weird. 55 kids,
Different homes. Yeah, Five kids.
I. Had no, I knew he well, I I did
recently learn he was married and I was that surprised me and
then I don't think I knew until you just told me today that he
hits five of them wild. Yeah, Bolter said also said to
(17:12):
the judge. I think Minnesotans want to know
what's going on. So I'm not sure what's going on.
I don't know if they think maybesome other people were involved.
So it is wild that, and this is a conspiracy that has been
mentioned, it is wild that Wallshad that employee that was
guilty of the Tesla vandalism and now this guy.
(17:35):
But as you explained it, he was actually hired by the previous
governor and really didn't even meet Walls, you know?
Yeah. There's probably nothing there,
just the coincidences. It's like he has ties to
politicians but like, not in real ways.
Right, Easily. I mean anyone, anyone can go to
(17:57):
an event and shake hands with somebody and talk to them.
That doesn't mean that they're really doing a lot of work or
involved in the day-to-day process of it.
Yeah, I mean, at one point he was doing very well because he
and his wife owned a 3800 squarefoot house and just about an
(18:17):
hour from downtown Minneapolis. They bought it in 2023 for more
than half $1,000,000. John Hoffman and Yvette Hoffman
were the two that didn't survive, but he, I mean they
were only, that's only 5 people on his list of 41 that he got.
It doesn't sound like he was ever a threat to the public, but
(18:39):
he did take some had weird tripsto Africa like in 2022 and 2023
where he raved about, you know, anti abortion and anti-gay and
had signs like no kings and things like that.
Oh, that's right. I did hear that he had the no
kings. What?
I just think this guy's just whacked out.
Yeah. No, son, there's no.
(19:00):
Because yeah, he's a Trump supporter, but he worked for
Democrats. He's anti abortion but he had no
kings Flyers. It just unfortunately sounds
like untreated mental illness. And everyone, everyone that knew
him prior to this was shocked that he had committed the
crimes. One of his friends came out and
said, you know, I would have been as shocked as if they said
(19:23):
that he had gotten hit by lightning.
Wow. Yeah, so weird.
Yeah, I mean, I, I think his mental health.
So he is a married father of five, but often stayed at his
friend's house in Minneapolis toshorten his commute to work.
That's why he was paying $220 a month.
His friend was Carlson, and he came out and said that in
(19:45):
hindsight he thinks he was a very sick man and needed help,
even if those around him didn't realize it.
OK, Yeah, Yeah, maybe he hit it well, and that would make sense
if the guy that he was renting aroom from, he probably saw him
on a more regular basis than anyone else.
Yeah, I don't, I know that he had been struggling to find work
in February. He had been or he had quit his
(20:08):
job from with the Funeral Home that his job is like to be on
call and come remove bodies. So he was, he was, he had been
really struggling financially. But to me that doesn't make
sense because he has a half $1,000,000 house.
Yeah, that's strange. I'm sure that job escorting the
(20:29):
bodies for nursing homes was notgood for his mental health
either if you're already in a sensitive state.
Yeah, He wanted to go to Africa,into like the Congo and be a
missionary there about Jesus. He had apparently done this a
(20:50):
few times in the past, one time in the 90s.
He was caught by security forcesafter sneaking into Gaza to
preach Christianity on a trip toIsrael.
Yeah. So yeah, no business being
there. And he tried to sneak in to
preach Christianity. Yeah.
(21:12):
So then when he became a Christian, he burnt all of his
belongings. He had a lot of karate and
martial arts weapons, and he gotrid of anything that distracted
him from religion. So he was very, he was very
involved with the church. Yeah.
Has the church come out and saidanything?
And hasn't responded to the church that he went to in
(21:33):
Minneapolis, hasn't responded toany emails.
But they did issue just like a blanket statement saying that
the shootings are the opposite of what Jesus taught his
followers to do. When did you say?
The trial date was. They haven't set 1 yet.
This man was just living a normal life.
That's so weird. I'm going to guess there's going
to be MK Ultra theories flying around.
(21:56):
Absolutely. He Yeah, it was.
I mean, it is weird that something like that just
happens. But if you if you look at his
past actions and his job and stability, you know, usually if
somebody can't hold down a job, that's an indicator that
something's going. On right and and like late, like
right before the on Saturday when these events happened, he
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texted the guy he was renting the room from Carlson and he
just warned him. He said going to be gone for a
while and may be dead shortly asI said earlier.
So the the friend got worried and thought he was suicidal and
was going to try to commit suicide.
Really to the point that he called the police and the police
(22:41):
allegedly at 1st and it seemed too interested until they
connected the messages to the shootings.
Yeah, I don't know it the the friend.
Yeah, the friend that came out too says, you know, like he had
everything. I don't know why he did this,
but whatever financial issues hewas having, maybe, maybe
everyone else was unaware. Allegedly, the wife and her
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children are shocked by her husband's alleged involvement in
a recent attack on the Minnesotalawmakers.
So she's claiming not to know anything.
But yeah, she was a doomsday prepper, too.
So, like, part of me is like, what did you know?
I don't know. I can't imagine a world in where
I don't know a whole other side of my husband's life.
Yeah, yeah. I guess that's why him staying
(23:25):
elsewhere for work, he had the opportunity to do that because
there's. So.
Kyle, even though we work different shifts, like there's
like, I know. Yeah, like you'd know if he was
planning a mass murder. Yeah, so, OK, so I did find
something about his wife other than her claiming to be shocked
and that she had no idea about any of this.
(23:46):
She says that the violence doesn't align with their
family's beliefs or Christian faith, obviously, and that her
kids met with her and her kids met with the police at a gas
station a few hours after the killings.
They searched her vehicle and they found a safe, the whole
family's passports, $10,000 in cash along with two guns.
(24:09):
So and but she hasn't been charged with anything.
So she, I mean, obviously she knew something was happening,
but maybe not. Well, I don't know.
In my family car, I guess I don't take.
I don't just have a safe with myentire family's passports and
$10,000. Yeah, so.
Yeah. I mean, what did she think was
happening? If there's nothing on the news
(24:29):
to indicate that you need to leave the area for, I don't
know, a natural disaster in Minnesota, why do you have all
that in your in your? Vehicle I don't.
Just cause your husband told youto?
Yeah. And you have no questions about
it. Oh OK, honey, sounds good.
Yeah. So he, yeah, he has 55 kids,
four daughters, a son, and they're homeschooled, which also
(24:51):
seems to be a trend. I hate to say that, but I think
when you homeschool children, itreminds me of like other
countries where they don't have any access other than to what
they're given, right? So I mean, the kids like aren't
they're not adults by any means.I think maybe a couple of them,
but. Hopefully they have some stable
(25:13):
family willing to take them in. Man, I hope so.
That's yeah. Taking on five kids is a lot.
I feel really bad. For them, the wife's version of
events are She got a call from the police that morning.
She drove to meet the agents at a nearby gas station.
She she didn't get pulled over. She parked and waited for the
agents to arrive. Voluntarily agreed to answer
(25:35):
questions, provide all items requested, and cooperate with
all searches. She didn't really do anything
wrong unless she knew that was his plan.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she suspected something was up.
Yeah, but she might not have known that was his plan.
I agree. And there's a world, you know,
there's a situation where maybe he put all the things in the
car. Yeah, somewhere.
(25:57):
Like I didn't say where in the car they were found, but they
could have been hidden like in with the spare tire or under
some seats or. Something or maybe she's maybe
she's just like my husband's like losing it and I'm just
whatever He tells me the end of the world's coming.
I'm going to just do this. So it makes him feel better that
we're prepared. And yeah, her.
Statement was we are appalled and horrified by what occurred
(26:17):
in our hearts are incredibly heavy for the victims of this
unfathomable tragedy. Now, I understand that she
didn't do anything wrong technically, but I have a hard
time just believing that she wascompletely, that she had no
culpability in the matter, you know?
(26:38):
You know, like when the Gilgo Beach murders came out recently
and they found out who did it, the wife like kind of alluded
to. Like you can be denied.
Like you can put yourself in denial.
Like women do it when their husbands have affairs or vice
versa where you just pretend everything's fine.
So he because he had firearms, but he could have had those in
that room with the roommate, butwouldn't someone have seen like,
(27:05):
OK, this guy's clearly breaking mentally like maybe he needs to
be hospitalized. I do understand how having two
homes would make things easier to cover up severe mental
illness. However, that also implies that
he knew what he was doing is something he shouldn't have been
doing if he was hiding it. So also, wouldn't you just know
(27:28):
your husband's having a mental break?
I don't, I don't know the, the wife, her name's Jenny.
She said she was sorry that she doesn't know this person that
did it, like, you know, saying she doesn't know her her husband
could do it. And then she she actually
thanked law enforcement for catching him and protecting
(27:50):
others from future harm. Vance Bolter he did when he
texted the group. He just said dad went to war
last night and then said the thing about not wanting to
implicate anybody. He texted his wife separately
and said words are not going to explain how sorry I am for the
situation. There's going to be some people
coming to the house armed and trigger happy and I don't want
you guys around then. I mean, they found the stuff for
(28:12):
doomsday preppers. They had a backup bailout plan,
but that was supposedly only in the event of the end of the
world, not for him to do this right.
Which there are a lot of people that do prepare for stuff like
like especially, you know, like.COVID.
Well, Y2 Ki know people who started prepping for Y2K and
(28:33):
then just never stopped because they're like, well, I've already
dedicated this little area in mybasement.
They just eat it, replenish it, and.
Whatever. I'm not a prepper.
Yeah, right. I'm not, I'm not a prepper.
If I, if someone was like, hey, do you want my bunker full of
stuff? I'd obviously take it because
what the fuck. But I'm, I'm just too lazy.
(28:55):
And honestly, I've seen so many zombie movies.
Like if I'm gonna go, I don't know if I'm gonna fight, I might
just go out. Like, let's be real.
Do it. I don't want to live in that
world. Come I.
End up not being able to stay intheir own home anyway.
Well, it's. Up on the streets and the heat.
Yeah, fighting of zombies. What's the point?
We're all gonna be homeless. I don't think I would really get
that far ahead. Yeah, just it's really just too
(29:17):
much work. That's why I'm not a prepper.
Yeah. No, I don't think the doomsday
prepper is, you know, resulting in him killing people.
I think he was a paranoid man for a long time.
Yeah I agree it could have started with the doomsday
prepping and then spiral. Yeah, right.
And then which a lot of it does.Yeah.
And then like him going to Africa in the Congo to like
(29:39):
preach about about Jesus and about anti abortion, which the
whole point of being anti abortion is because people who
are anti abortion believe it's murder, right?
Yeah. But then he went and murdered
two people and tried to kill twomore.
Meanwhile and a dog got 5 effingkids at home and should be
working to pay for them. Yeah, instead of taking dead
(29:59):
bodies around. Yeah, or instead of going to
Africa to reach anti abortion, take care of your five kids at
home. Like, yeah, if you're having
financial struggles, maybe now'snot the time to go to Africa and
do that. So just, I mean, it all just
sounds like just severe mental illness.
You know, I'm really trying to figure out, I want to know what
his wife did because. Well, yeah, because running a
(30:22):
711 or any of those other jobs and I'm not trying to downgrade.
Those jobs, no, but it would be hard to own a half $1,000,000.
House on that exactly. Yeah.
I don't know, maybe they were house.
Poor. OK, well, they did.
They did try to start a securitycompany.
They were going to call it Praetorian Guard Security
(30:42):
Services. And Jenny was the CEO and Vance
was director of security patrols.
Yeah, but you can just start anyold business and give yourself a
fancy name and. Yeah, right.
If you get an LLC, you don't even need an LLC.
Great. Yeah, I don't know, a couple
days a week. He stayed with his friend
Carlson in the city, but other than that, he stayed out in his
(31:02):
half $1,000,000 house. So he must have been like, I
don't know if he's between jobs trying to get the security
company up and running, but it was clearly failing.
And he was in a ton of financialstress and a lot of debt because
of it. Yeah, But yeah, that guy, that
guy sucks. He's yeah, very senseless.
(31:23):
Very senseless killing. Well, yeah, I guess we'll hear
more about it later. And do you have any idea what
you will be doing next week or not next week, but.
Next month, yes, Next month. I don't know if any, I don't
know when we'll get this out. But as these come out, if
listeners have a request, I think we'll eventually kind of
get into some of the big juicy ones like the Kennedys.
(31:45):
Yeah. But we're definitely going to
have to break that down into parts because that is huge.
Yeah, yeah. Treasure trove.
We could do one whole series just about Marilyn Monroe,
right? So, yeah, we'll see.
Maybe I'll provide a little update on this one next month if
there's if anything new comes out.
And then, yeah, we'll get in. This is our first one.
(32:06):
So thanks, everyone, for sticking with us.
It'll get better as we go. Yeah, yeah.
Well, next time I'll lock the cat up.
I mean, I don't think he did 2. No, he's sleeping, look at him.
Shout out to Steve for being a good boy.
OK, alright. Thank you so much.
Yeah, alright, bye, I. Feel like we need like A tag
line.
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