From Strength to Mindset: How Total Empowerment Training Shapes Young Athletes

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Foreign.
This is Sharpening youg Edgewith Chuck and Eric.
Today's guest is Tony Cosenza,widely known as Coach Tone.
And he's a seasoned fitnessprofessional with extensive experience

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spanning decades in the healthand fitness industry.
And now our interview withTony Cosenza.
Welcome to episode two ofSharpening youg Edge, presented by
CV3 Hockey Development.
I'm Chuck Vertolino along withmy co host Eric Malanson.

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And with us today, we have theowner of Total Empowerment Training
on Long Island.
And notice I did say on Longisland and not in.
That's a big no, no for peopleon Long Island.
It's on Long island, not in.
But.
But he owns a TotalEmpowerment training on Long Island.
Tony Cassenza.
Tony, thanks for joining us onepisode two.

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My pleasure, my pleasure.
Good to be here, Tony.
Interesting times for hockeyfans in Long island, right?
With Schaefer coming on boardand netting his first point.
What, last night, right?
Oh, yeah.
Pretty.
You did it.
Pretty legit.
You did it.
You said in.
Yeah, you said in.
There we go.
See?
Educated.

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He did.
You can always tell whensomeone's not from Long island when
they say in Long Island.
I will tell you, that is thefirst time I've actually heard somebody
say in Long Island.
Oh, well, first for everybody.
Not to embarrass you, Eric.
No, I don't get embarrassed,but it's a learning experience.
It's all about development.

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Yeah.
So electric times on Longisland for those fans.
How did you fall in love with hockey?
And, you know, when was that?
When was there a point whereyou fell in love with hockey?
I fell in love with hockey,you know, around 8 years old.
I remember I got my firstChicago skates and I had balance

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and, you know, growing up,pretty athletic, being on those skates
felt so free that once I gotthe stick, it just made sense to
me.
It all clicked.
It was just one of those gamesthat just lit me up, you know, the
speed, the intensity, team energy.
It hooked me right away.
I just loved, you know, inthat in street, once I got the ball,
we played with the ball, thenit evolved into like an electrical

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tape, you know, like for a puck.
But I just loved, you know,trying to get creative and scoring
goals and, you know, mirroringGretzky after watching, you know,
how he passes and everything.
And I just tried to, I don'tknow, it was.
We played all year round.
And the one thing I lovedabout it is that it pushes you, like,

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not only physically, butmentally, you know, for that creativity,
it's the emotion Excitementafter scoring or hitting a nice pass
or, you know, even backchecking and, you know, stealing
the ball at the time or thepuck was amazing.
So, you know, I don't know, it's.

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It's lessons and stuff thatyou learn, you know, like, such as
discipline of resilience andhow to handle wins and losses.
It shapes you.
I feel, as a person shaped meanyway, but it made me so competitive.
I just wanted to be like as.
I wanted to be better than Iwas every day when I was on it, the
street, and then eventuallythe ice.
But that's how I fell in lovewith it.

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That's awesome.
I mean, there's no bettergame, right, than hockey.
No, Call me biased, right.
But I think it teaches kids,teaches everybody a whole lot life
skills and everything else.
Right.
I think, you know, it's thatit's that one remaining game where
it's, it's, it's encouraged to fight.
Right.
And you only get five minutesfor it.
Whereas, you know, you snatchsomebody's chain in the NFL, you're,

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you're getting fined and games missed.
Yeah, it's definitely aninteresting culture, and it's.
It's the greatest game on the planet.
Yeah, it's a little bit of a backstory.
I met Tony about five yearsago on Long island when our sons
played together for springtravel hockey.
Tony, how has your interest inhockey re energized since you had

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your son Anthony and speak alittle bit more about his hockey
journey and how you currentlystay involved with him on the ice?
So that's, you know, it's sointeresting, Chuck, because I just
found his first team pictureof the Mavericks.
And I remember when he firststarted, my intention was just to

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get him involved in sports andto keep him active, you know, mostly
intending for to be physically strong.
So, you know, I was happy thathe was going to learn a team aspect.
But, you know, he was six whenhe started, or he had his first lessons
at five, but I think he wassix when he first started the playing.
And I remember the one summerwhere I play softball every weekend

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and I went to all this wintergames, but sometimes I had conflicts
over the summer.
And you had decided to coachthis summer team and he played with
your son.
And my wife called me up andsaid, anthony has, like five goals.
And I'm like, get the heck outof here.
And she's like, no, he reallydid, because, you know, we took it
seriously, like, you want tosupport him, but we just didn't know

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where it was going to go.
And I didn't want to pressurehim, telling him how I played hockey
and, you know, whatever itwas, I kind of wanted him to feel,
you know, find himself andjust, like, feel his way.
And she's like, no, him andCharles are like the dynamic duo
out there.
So I said, I remember leavingthe game, and I said, I got to watch
the rest of the game.
So because it was atNewbridge, the arena in Free Pine,

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Belmore, and I went to thegame, and sure enough, I'm like,
what?
It's just something happenedthat clicked.
So he came off telling me howmuch he loved it.
And in watching him fall inlove with the game has just reignited
my passion tenfold.
His journey, you know, fromthen until now has been amazing.
You know, from learning toskate to becoming the player he is,

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you know, through greatcoaches like yourself.
Been incredible to watch.
So just by being at the gameswith him, you know, cheering him
on, but more importantly, bysupporting his development off the
ice, not only as a father, butas a friend and a coach, because
I believe, you know, in thesedays, we wear different hats, much
more.
You know, I grew up with, youknow, another great father.

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He was amazing, but he made it clear.
He's like, listen, I'm your father.
Your friends are out there.
And there were times where Ikind of needed a friend, and it wasn't
really there until I got alittle older, where my dad wanted
to kind of bond with me on thefriendship level, but he was there
to teach me right and wrongand, you know, grow up with, you
know, teach us his, you know,core values.
But for me, it's.
I like to be a father, afriend, and a coach, and I help him

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with his mindset for thegames, leadership and accountability.
In a soft way, though, not sohard on him.
It's just been so special toshare the game that we both love
and use it as a way to bond.
It's really been amazing.
That's awesome.
I can 100% relate on that.
I moved away from hockey, justtraveling to locations that there

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weren't a lot of hockey going on.
And then once I had my kidsand got them on skates, man, my energy
just went through the roof.
My passion was found again,renewed, and I would much rather,
I found myself, you know, muchrather wanting to watch them play
or even practice than play myself.
There's no better joy I getfrom that.
So that's awesome.
You know, you talked about hison ice development, his off ice development,

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whether that's in the gym orwhatever, but you know, can you talk
to us a little bit about whenyou found your love of fitness and
strength training and humanperformance and what led you to really
opening the facility you're at now?
Yeah.
So this could be a podcast onits own, but I'll give you the short
version as much as I could forthe listener's sake.

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But I've been in the fitnessindustry for years.
I always wanted as a kid to be Superman.
That was like my, my dream.
And growing up, you know, Irealized that I'm not going to fly
unless, you know, I guesswatching Michael Jordan, quote unquote
fly, I said, you know, maybe Ican jump as, as high and as long
as him to be considered flying.

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But I've been in the fitnessindustry for years, ever since I
was 17 years old.
When I graduated high school,I was hired at a gym based on my
energy.
The, the owner pulled me asideand said, you know what, I want you
to work here.
I don't know what you're doingfor work, but whatever you're doing,
quit and work here.
You're always smiling andyou're always, you know, happy.
So I want that.

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So I learned the business fromthat and I loved helping people.
And as my career, I continuethat career through college and got
into management and thenworking for major organizations in
Manhattan and then intopartnership and then finally on my
own where I owned theCrossFit, trained athletes and multiple

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certifications of CrossFitkettlebell training.
I decided that, you know, alot of this like, you know, the physical
fitness helps with mindset.
So I really wanted to diveinto how to have a resilient mindset,
strength and mindsets.
You know, people like TonyRobbins, Bruce Schneider, Luke Iorio,
and especially Joseph Russo,you know, that inspired me.

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I decided to become acertified professional coach through
IPEC and learned energy, leadership.
But what inspired me to startTotal Empowerment training was seeing
the gap in like the youth development.
The kids were getting skillstraining, but not the mindset leadership.
And for hockey, the off icedevelopment that they truly needed.
So I wanted to create aprogram that trains athletes from

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the inside out.
Physically strong, mentallytough and emotionally resilient.
That's awesome.
Perfect answer.
Especially the last part.
That's fantastic.
Yeah, I mean, I think there isobviously a growing fitness industry.
Right.
It's like a, it's a tremendous industry.
Everybody's got a platform nowthough, right.
So there's also just as muchmisinformation out there.

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But I think finding a goodquality strength coach is something
that I know I've Looked for inmy boys is I valued the human performance
thing that, you know, I wasfirst exposed to it in special operations,
where our strength coacheswere former NFL or collegiate Division
1 strength coaches.
They brought a totallydifferent training experience to

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us and a focus and a love for that.
So that's awesome.
And I commend you for tryingto instill that in some of the kids
today.
I think it's huge.
You talked about the metalpiece leadership.
I mean, I get all wrapped intotraining, especially if you can find
a quality strength coach.
My oldest boy lives inMassachusetts now.
He's fortunate enough to trainunder Mike Boyle.
So I'm extremely jealous.
But I know he.

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I know he's getting a great product.
You know, he's going to have agreat experience in there, and he
has his training accelerated,so he can do wonders for kids.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, just onething that just came to me as you're
talking, I remember actuallygoing in and I'm, you know, 59 on
paper, but not 5 9.

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And I was at the time, I think190 pounds.
And I remember going under a barbell.
375.
And I remember talking tomyself, you know, and I would say
things that had a, you know,stay focused.
You know, people watching.
You're gonna, you know, you'rehere to inspire others.
Because, you know, I worked atthe gym and I knew that people were
watching me, like, oh, therehe goes.

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Like, what is he gonna do?
I remember the muscle mindconnection that I used to actually
tell myself, and I would tellpeople, and I didn't really know
that I was actually working ontheir mental strength.
I would just say to them,like, think about doing what you're
doing.
See yourself doing it.
Feel what that feels like.
Get under the bar and do it.
And I said, let's go.
And I would spot them.

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And I remember, you know,feeling that.
So it's.
It's interesting thatliterally just came to me now on
the podcast, so I may havebeen doing this longer than I have
been certified for.
This podcast.
Tony encompasses all aspectsof development.
Mental, physical, on, off ice.

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You touched upon it a littlebit earlier, but can you.
Can you go into a little moredetail about how you would describe
total empowerment's training'sphilosophy or approach when specifically
developing young athletes.
Yeah.
So as a company, we believethat every child already has a greatness

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inside of them.
And I felt that, you know, Ifeel like I have that connection
with everyone that I meet.
I just.
I see their potential.
I can't really Describe it.
It's just a, it's a connectionthat I, that I have.
And so I like.
My philosophy is aboutunlocking that through a combination
of physical fitness, themindset, coaching and leadership

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training.
In CrossFit, they have the 10general physical skills.
So I blend the 10 generalphysical skills such as like speed,
agility, balance, strengthwith what I call the empowerment
essentials.
With the empowermentessentials, there are things I created
such as confidence, awareness,authenticity, being 100% energetically

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engaged.
So I create a program based onthe general physical skills and the
essentials, combine it anddeliver the product.
So it's not just aboutcreating better athletes for me,
but it's about helping kidsthrive in life.
And I feel like this is whatseparates me because they're not
just taking this here or onthe ice, off the ice, on the field,

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it's in life, building thatconfidence, that strong core, you
know, with my philosophy is,you know, core to extremity.
So it's not just your physicalcore, it's also that emotional core,
that mindset, that strength,the inner strength, the inner man
or the inner woman in you, whoever.
We're training here to developthat and that, that carries with

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you throughout school and thenwhen you get older, throughout work
and you know, as a parent,eventually as a friend.
So it's, it's, it's somethingthat is, I feel really connected
to.
That's good points.
And so I wanted to circle backand, and touch on, just make a comment
about one thing you said.
That's, that's definitely.
I'm going to take away with methe, the here that first boss letting

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you know that, hey, you'rehere to inspire others and I think
that's awesome.
Think that kids need to kindof approach as they get older, approach
the game that way.
Right.
Like they're here to expirethe next generation.
You know, there's a greatleadership book about the All Blacks
called Legacy, right.
The New Zealand rugby teamwhere it talks about, you know, plant
seeds for trees that you'llnever see grow.
And I think, you know, thatkind of touches on that quote as

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well as, you know, your entire philosophy.
So when you speak to specificoff ice training and for me, off
ice means the physical, themental, nutrition, sleep, all of
those kind of humanperformance factors.
You have parents now that overthe summer will shell out tens of

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thousands of dollars fortravel and et cetera for their kids
to go play in everytournament, but they won't shell
out the 500 or $1,000 a monthfor their Kids, kid, to find a quality
trainer or a mentalperformance coach or what have you.
So from coach Tone's point ofview, why is off ice training such
a critical part of that, youknow, for US Hockey players development,

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but really, as a.
You could take it a stepfurther as a child, as a young adult,
you know, overall development.
Yeah, I mean, you.
You touched on it.
I mean, you mentioned, youknow, the on ice training.
Right.
It builds skills, and that'svery important.
But off ice training, itbuilds the engine, you know, speed,
strength, power, and resilience.

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It all comes from what playersdo away from the rink, in my opinion.
And my program, you know,stands out because we don't just
focus on workouts.
We integrate mindset,accountability, and leadership.
That way, when a player hitsthe ice, they're not just faster
and stronger, they're mentallysharper, more confident.
I have kids that on the ice,at times, they're might be a little

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bashful or afraid to go intothe boards because now, you know,
hockey's getting, you know,they say there's no checking, but
there's checking.
There's checking at all age groups.
You know, sorry, refs, I know you're.
I know some.
There's.
There's contact.
I mean, there's contact.
There's a.
There's clean contact, andthen there's.
Oh, my gosh, did he just do that?
Contact.

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So a big win is actuallyworking with someone who's, you know,
timid even on the ice.
And the coaches are doingtheir best to say, you got to go
in.
And they're showing andthey're doing, but there's something
holding that kid back.
And what I teach is how to goin, in that boards.
Even it's off ice training,but we're still doing it.
And there's a particularexercise that I do where I literally

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take out a pad, all right.
And I'll have them run intothe pad.
But it's.
I.
What I do is I watch how theyhit the pad.
Are they hitting the pad andthey're continuing to go forward,
or are they hitting the padand bouncing off and just running?
So I added a little bit of alittle gist to it, a little shove
back to see, and some of thesekids almost fell back.
And I said, listen, that's,you know, and I believe how you do

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anything is how you do everything.
So if I'm watching theirbehavior going into the pad and they're
not going through that pad tocome and get the puck, you know,
there's a virtual puck behindme or even if I take a puck and throw
it behind me and say, get thepuck, I want to see what they're
doing before I correct them,before I even tell them how to do
it or show them how to getthrough the puck.
And I'm not, you know,teaching like how to kill the guy,

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but just it's, it's to getthrough that, to get through that
fear and to, to believe in themselves.
Because all these kids that Iwork with have the ability to do
it.
I mean, they're capable.
But I think that's one waythat, you know, that is I've developed
on how to really see, youknow, how to strengthen their mindsets
and kind of build that courageto kind of get through and get that

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puck, quote, unquote, you know.
Yeah.
Going into the boards.
Oh, absolutely.
And you know, I've never seenthe data or the studies, but I've
heard them quoted often thatthe biggest loss of registration
for USA Hockey is when thekids make that leap from pee wee
to bantam.
Right.
When they start hitting.

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And I would almost beinterested to look at those and pull
those kids that decided tokind of self select out of that because
they didn't like the contactand the checking.
How many of those had had someprevious level of, you know, training,
whether that be in the gym orsome form of off ice.
Right.
That prepares them just likeyou are right now.

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So I think that's awesome.
Yeah.
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I want to focus now just alittle bit on the physical quality.

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So if you ask a hundreddifferent people, you might get a
hundred different answers on this.
But in your opinion, whatphysical traits or qualities should
youth players focus onimproving the most specific to hockey?
Speed, strength, mobility and balance.

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And why do you think that you're.
You all right, I know it's a,it's a loaded question.
No, no, it is.
But you know what, I'm gladyou asked it because it is.
This is something that, when Iwas developing the program, you know,
I'm like, should I follow this?
Should I look at this theory?
Should I look into this?
This guy's saying this, thisgirl saying that.
This one's saying this, this,this, you know, niche is saying to

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do that.
I said, you know, what I wantto observe.
So what I did was I tried mybest to just be open minded and to
see, like, what these kids do,how they behaved and like what made
someone better at my programor what skills and qualities that
these people had, like thesekids had.
So for me, after doing, youknow, about a year and a half of

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research and just, you know,creating programs and adjusting,
you know, according to the,the overall group of the class, I
feel like for the youngplayers, the foundation is built
on power, speed and strength.
I feel like those are thethree pillars that drive all athletic
movement.
You know, we build strengthand power first as a company and
as my program, because I feelthey create the base for speed, agility

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and confidence.
So, like, when an athletefeels strong, they move with more
intention and belief.
So the strength andconditioning, like, oh, I know it's
vague in general, but I reallyfeel like if, you know, it's, it's
can be fast, but if you'restrong, you know, we can always teach
you to be much faster.
I just feel it's like a veryimportant quality to have as a youth,

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you know, and then at the sametime, you know, as, you know, we're
not just training muscles, youknow, we're Training mindsets.
So confidence and fearless andfearless engagement mirror the physical
training.
And I feel like an athletemust believe before they can achieve.
And I guess that takes me backto the previous question of remembering
that, you know, I'm going tolift this weight, you know, people

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are watching me.
You got to get this up likeit's focus time and you know, having
that great self talking andyou know, training somebody to lift
that, that heavy load.
So when you combine thatphysical power with the inner belief,
I think that's where the trueperformance comes from in those physical
qualities.
Going with the theme thatwe've been talking about here.
Now when you're training theseplayers, obviously it's a different

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focus when they're out ofseason vice in season.
Right.
So I think a lot of kids arekind of wrapped around the axle that
they've got to continue to seethese games no matter what's happening
during the season off, youknow, in season, wherever they're
at.
How do you keep kids motivatedwhen they're training with you specifically
in season and they may not beseeing the same level of gains that

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they saw over the summer.
Right.
When they're on a totallydifferent program, how do you keep
them motivating?
What is your words of adviceto them and how do you approach that?
Well, we try to set intentionsfor every session so the kids know
what they're focusing on.
And I try to remind them thatprogress is about consistency, not

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instant results.
So I'll use fun games,challenges, mindset tools like commitment
cards and confidence depositsto keep it engaging.
And I feel like the key isshowing them like small wins along
the way.
And once they feel it, themotivation builds naturally.
So for example, I'll rememberand I'll, you know, people say, do
you track their progress?

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I mean parents, yeah, ofcourse I track that progress, every
single one of them.
In addition, I track progressnot only for the physical markers
that we have that are obvious,such as, you know, how many push
ups sit up, squats, Superman'scan they do in a minute, broad jump,
we do a tenure dash speed.
So to just see how quicklythey're, they're moving and then

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eventually we'll move thatback and we'll get like, how fast
are they accelerating?
10 yards.
How fast are they acceleratingfrom 10 yards to 20 yards?
But I remember a kid gettingthe perfect push up or I remember
a kid, you know, doing anytype of form correctly, you know,
like squatting when they havetight ankles and it's been like,

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you know, two, three weeks andthey're not sitting, you know, trying
to sit down on their butts,and it's pushing back and hinging,
not working.
You know, squatting on theirtoes versus their heels where they're
supposed to.
And I'll remember and I'llpoint it out in the class and say,
hey, so and so.
You know, let's stop for a moment.
Let's give everybody.
Let's give so and so theattention right here.
He just did his first perfect squat.
Hey, get in the center.
Let's show everybody.

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And they really feeleveryone's clapping.
So it.
It creates and sets the tone.
And a lot of kids look, youknow, they look for it.
I also hold, like, athlete ofthe month, you know, and what I do
is I have, like, a sweatshirtor, like, what kids are mostly talking
about is ultra rare.
So I'll be like, this is oneof one, you know, or I try to get
them, like, you know, adifferent type of shirt each month

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to keep them motivatedbecause, you know, everybody wants
that shirt.
You know, I remember Anthonyskating with Chuck, you know, and
his camps, and, you know,Chuck doing something similar.
But I think, you know, it'sreally important.
And also bringing the child tothe parent at the end when it's pickup
time and letting them know howgreat the kid did.

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And I'll tell them, like,listen, I want to know, you know,
when you go home, you know, doa few of these movements throughout
the week.
Send me a text on how he did,you know, or how she did.
And they look forward tocoming to the next class to tell
me, like, hey, Tony, Tony, Idid 10 push ups.
Ask my dad.
And I said, did he?
Yeah, he really did.

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And then the kid will comeaway, like, all right.
He did like eight and a half.
But we counted the next twoand said, all right, listen, let's
get.
That's great.
I mean, eight and a half.
I mean, he was barely doingone, so we keep him motivated.
That plus I'm pretty motivated myself.
I mean, I mean, I'm lit upwith these classes, so I. I just
have really.
I have a lot of fun.
I, you know, I know they say,like, you know, it's not work when
you're doing what you love.

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I mean, I genuinely love doing this.
I get excited by programming.
So when I'm demoing, even at46 years old, it's.
I feel like I'm Barry Sandersgoing through these obstacles.
I create and, you know, do myhead fakes for when we play the father
son game.
When I'm going up AgainstChuck, you know, I gotta go.
You know, I gotta really, youknow, work on my moves when I go

(27:34):
up against him now.
But it's.
It's just a lot of fun for me.
And we usually end eachsessions with like a.
We call it like a deke session.
So I'll set up an offensiveline, a defense line, and then they
come up and when you get tothe cone, you gotta kind of fake
out your opponent while, like,right as you get to the cone and
commit to a movement, committo a side, and it's really cool.

(27:55):
These kids, they love it, theylook forward to it.
You know, there's sometimesthe kids act up, but you know it.
Within a couple of minutes,everybody's back engaged because
the general energy of thegroup is pretty high fun and positive.
That's awesome.
I mean, making it fun andshowing them, you know, that everything
they get from working out andtaking care of themselves, physically,

(28:18):
mentally, it's huge.
I think you're changing lives, right?
You probably don't hear thatenough, but you truly are.
And I think that we still havesome folks out there, like some of
my kids, PE teachers are like,why are you working out?
You're going to stunt your growth.
And I'm like, wow, that's beendisproven so many times, so many
years ago, that maybe that'swhy we're in this epidemic now or

(28:40):
we have a relatively obese society.
But I think you're doing yourpart, obviously, to make working
out fun again and to make surethey're doing it the right way.
Right.
So we don't have folks gettingout, getting injured.
You know, the other thing thatyou kind of brought up in my mind
is like, the aggregation ofmarginal gains.
And, you know, I'm notsomebody that coined that term.

(29:02):
That was David Brailsford.
And if nobody on this podcastis familiar listening with him, I
would encourage you all tolook it up.
There's like a five minutelong YouTube video about his whole
theory on the aggregation ofmarginal gains and how 1% better
every day is way better thanjust doing a little bit here or there.
Yeah, I think all the thingsyou're doing is definitely that aggregation

(29:24):
of gains.
You read my mind, Eric.
I was going to bring that upas well.
That's a big message I sendkids, especially at the younger ages.
I ask them how many peoplethink they're gonna leave this lesson
or this clinic or this campand you're gonna be Connor McDavid.
And none of these kids raisedtheir hand.
And I try to Send the messageto them that, look, it's, it's okay

(29:48):
to fall down.
It's.
It's okay.
Just don't get discouraged.
Just come here, have fun andjust focus on getting a little bit
better each time you're on the ice.
And that's, that's what Itruly love to tell them and express
to them and the parents.
And that's my philosophy atCV3 with the development of children.

(30:10):
It's not a, oh, you're asuperstar at 10 years old, you're
going to the NHL.
It's.
No, it's keeping them involvedwith the love of the game and showing
them their little gains.
Just get a little bit bettereach time and have fun.
Don't get discouraged by whenyou fall down.
So I'm glad you brought thatup, Eric.
I'm glad that you incorporatethat into your training.

(30:32):
Tony as well.
Thank you.
Yeah, I mean I remember yourclinics and you know, Anthony loved
going.
You know, it's justunfortunate you're not in the same,
you're not on Long islandanymore, but you'll always be in.
Our hearts shifting a little bit.
Something I see a lotpersonally and I hear stories of
is athletes 8 to 10 years oldgetting injured, pulling groins.

(30:57):
And that's something that,that was unheard of when we played
hockey.
Do you think it's due to overtraining on the ice, they're on the
ice too much?
Or is it, are there somecommon misconceptions or training
mistakes you see with youthplayers or parents off the ice?
You know, you are right.

(31:18):
I mean I've been asked tostretch kids prior, before the game,
after the game, you know, inthat age range, usually from like,
like nine and a half to 12.
And I remember, I think backto myself and I'm, I never needed
this, you know, and I playedso many sports.
But I feel like amisconception that, that I hear about

(31:42):
like strength and conditioningand everything is like one is lifting,
stunts, growth.
I don't know if it does.
I really don't.
I've read that it does andI've read that it doesn't.
In my opinion, you know, thesekids, they, they're carrying around
£50.
School, school bags allthroughout the day.
So I feel like if that was thecase, you know, and you know, my

(32:02):
son says he has a locker, butnone of the kids use the locker.
They put all their bag, alltheir books in their bag.
I would think that that wouldhave somewhat of an effect.
Now I also don't feel thatthey should Be learning how to, you
know, deadlift a millionpounds just yet or squat, you know,
a house on their back at 9 and 10.
I feel like it's done inmoderation, but you know, I personally
don't use weights until theyget a little bit older somewhere.

(32:24):
You know, salt lightweights,maybe at, you know, 12 depending
upon what it is.
But I'm talking like 5 poundshere, 10 pounds here.
Nothing crazy but I just, youknow, I, I feel, and I'm not, you
know, I don't want to be factchecked but my own opinion, I feel
that, you know, that the big,that lifting sounds gross.
I don't know if that how truethat is.
I think age appropriatestrength training is safe and actually

(32:44):
reduces injury, to be honestwith you, because you're teaching
the proper movement and youwant to instill that in the athlete.
Another misconception is thatthinking that only on ice time matters
when really off ice trainingis where players build the foundation
for speed and power.
We talked about that, youknow, in a few questions earlier.
Where parents are willing tospend thousands of on ice training,

(33:05):
but they tend to leave out theoff ice.
I often see too some kids whenthey actually part of their team
practice where it's, you know,on ice and they'll get like two or
five sessions during a weekand some will go, but they'll choose
to sit out.
And again only comparing who Iam and knowing the benefit and this
is my industry.
But as, as, as when I was akid, I would have loved to work out

(33:29):
before, you know, practice.
I thought, you know, I shouldthink that was so cool.
You know, I, I don't know ifthe fact that I want to be Superman
had anything to do with it,but I see that now and I said, man,
this is so freaking cool.
You have all of thisaccessible and you're not taking
advantage of it and theparents aren't really pushing that
part.
They'll wait and they'llspend, you know, hundreds and hundreds

(33:52):
of dollars on the, on the skills.
Again, it's very important.
But they, you know, I thinkoff ice training is where they build
the foundation for whatthey're searching for.
Speed and power.
I mean those are the mainthings you need to be a, a really,
really effective and greatathlete and hockey player.
Aside from, you know, financially.
Right.
Because that's what we do forour kids.

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How best can a parent supporttheir kids off ice development, you
know, without making it more,more of a precious situation for
them?
I think that parents need totell the kids that they're worth
is not defined by theirperformance, and they need to encourage
the effort, their effort over outcome.

(34:36):
They need to celebrate theirenergy, their attitude and their
commitment rather.
Rather than just stats, ratherthan goals, assists, whatever, you
know, they're fun.
It's great to see your kidsscore or, you know, assist or even
back check and break up a play.
But I think parents, what we.
Because we, you know, I mean,you know, at times that, you know,
we.

(34:57):
I'm a culprit for it too,sometimes, you know, but we have
to create space.
I do the best I can to createspace for my son to enjoy the game.
I feel like you need to bepresent, peaceful and positive.
That's one thing that I set anintention for myself.
It's tough because it's really.
It's really.
It's intense.
But with, you know, practice,you'll get there.

(35:19):
So when the parents focus onwho their kids are becoming, you
know, confident, resilient,disciplined, you know, whether it's
on or off the ice, as far assupporting, I think the, you know,
the kids really thrive then.
That's awesome.
I think, you know, giving themthe environment to which they can,
you know, prescribe to andthrive in is huge for our kids.
That's awesome that you'redoing that.
And you're just as much, youknow, helping those parents along

(35:41):
too.
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
So I've already mentioned thatI know.
Know you personally, Tony, andI can 100% attest to the fact that
you are truly passionate about.
About what you do.
And anyone that anyone thathas met you can back me up with that.
At the end of the day, whenyou put your head on the pillow,

(36:02):
what makes you feel mostaccomplished when working with these
young athletes that comethrough your doors?
I think that I gave my all andto see, you know, celebrating a small
win for them really makes mefeel accomplished.
Because you're, you know, I'malso getting a ton of feedback from
parents on their kid, andsometimes, you know, they pull you

(36:24):
aside and, you know, they getreally friendly with you, and then
they'll say something aboutthat kid that it's like, you know,
my kid's a little bit likethis, and he could be a little bit
of blah, blah, whatever.
So, like, it's only naturalthat my mind is like.
Like, at first I'm trying notto judge the parent because I'm like,
well, you know, this is kindof your job, you know, But I'm like,
all right, listen, here's anopportunity for me to do exactly
what it is that I'm going todo and to see just, you know, the

(36:48):
journey of, for them, how theyprogress and knowing that.
I mean, I've had kids, I'vebeen doing this for, officially I've
been doing it for like alittle over three years, like working
with youth.
But technically since Istarted promoting myself with it
has been about a year and ahalf and is, or almost two years
rather.
And it's been great.
So to see like these core kidsgoing from a 12 inch box jump to

(37:11):
a 42 inch box jump and he's 12years old, to getting a call from
his father saying how muchstronger he is, his upper body.
And these are all the goalsthat, you know, the parents wanted
for the kid.
But I asked the kid, like,what, what do you want?
Like what do you want?
I know what you know, so yourdad wants, I know what, you know,
your mom wants, what is itthat you want?
And you know, we work on it.
Most of the time they're inline, most of the time they're aligned.

(37:31):
You know, it is just seeingthe kids light up for achieving something
they never thought they can do.
There's, there's a lot ofsecond guessing when doing some of
the movements and box jumps in particular.
You know, kids, you know,they're jumping up 24 inches and
it's all right, let's, let'sput another three inches on and they're
like, oh no.
So there are times where likewe scale it so they can see it, they

(37:54):
can feel it, you know, I'llhelp them up in a way.
And then, you know, going backhome and having their parents text
me saying, hey, I heard, youknow, my daughter just jumped up
a 27 inch box or a 30 inch box jump.
And that was amazing because Iremember the first class, she wouldn't
do 12.
She was scared that she wasgonna, you know, fall forward or
whatever it was.
It's really that, that feelingI get seeing like the progress of

(38:19):
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yeah, one thing I wanted tohighlight that you said there and
a lot of coaches I don't seeit nowadays and maybe this is my
full time job as a teachercoming out.
But it's when you said, okay,I know what the parents want, but

(40:55):
what do the kids want?
And I feel like it's reallyimportant as a coach to connect to
the kid, get to know the kidrather than just assuming what we
think we want to do as a teamor they want to do.
And where they should be isjust connect with the kid and ask

(41:16):
them what they want out of this.
So it makes a good connection.
And I feel personally that itmakes the kid more motivated to go
out and work and get betterand develop.
Yeah, I mean, you know, you doget, you know, as much as I love
kids and I want to helpparents as much, the one thing that

(41:37):
I try to explain to parents,too, is that, you know, we're going
to get your kids to the goalsas long as they're bought in and
they're not being dropped offhere to be babysat.
Because it's really, you know,it does take.
You know, some kids are on afence at first, and they're not too
sure what to expect, andthat's okay, but to fill in the hour

(41:57):
for whatever.
And, you know, sometimes thekids are like, you know, this is
not what I wanted to do.
Mom.
Mom, you know, or dad.
Dad, whatever.
It gets a little tough.
So we try to explain that,listen, we're not babysitters.
You know, I'm gonna give myall, but there are times where, you
know, some kids don't want toparticipate in a very hard time.
And I'll give everything I canin my toolbox.

(42:19):
And, you know, they'll.
I'll just have to sit them outand say, listen, sit down and maybe
you'll see what we're doing.
And if you feel inspired tojump in, go ahead.
If not, you know, it is whatit is.
You're going to, you know, sitthere and watch.
And then I'll, you know, tellthe parents, like, listen, maybe
right now is not the righttime, but it's a very rare, you know,
moment that this happens.
This doesn't happen often, butit is important, I think, for.

(42:42):
For parents to know it's not,you know, you don't want to really
take your kid and say, here, you.
You know, he's wild at home,and, you know, you got to do something.
You know, you do it.
So it's.
It can be a little crazy.
I'm sure you've dealt withsome, you know, some instances like
that, too, Chuck, you know, onthe ice or whatever, where.
But, you know, I've seen youhandle it, too.
I mean, you handle it withgrace and, you know, you just gotta

(43:03):
be the best that you can whensomething like this happens.
Yeah.
Replaying a story of a younglacrosse player that played for me
and I had in my head, butwe'll skip that for.
For the betterment of the.
The group and time here.
But we're in a prettyinteresting time where everybody's

(43:24):
got a device in their hand, alaptop in their bag, right?
Everybody's on social media.
And while it can be a goodtool, right.
There's also a lot of badthings that have come out of it,
right?
So there's a lot of, you know,fitness industry has taken off because
everybody's got this platformand everybody's a coach.
And there's tons of trends andtons of innovation, some positive,

(43:47):
some negative.
You know, what are thepositive trends or innovations or
what's that next Ridgeline orthat next hill that's going to shape
the next generation of hockey training?
Or are we already there?
Are we just kind ofreinventing the wheel, making it,
you know, final 1% better here?
There?
Yeah, I think there's sometruth in it.
I think we're getting there.

(44:08):
But I think the biggest shiftis toward complete athlete development,
combining mental, physical andemotional training.
I think technology will play arole, you know, tracking progress
and analyzing movement.
You know, I think at the endof the day, mindset and energy are
what separate good from greatfor us.

(44:28):
The next step is expandinglike my captain's program, Captain's
Academy.
I haven't really come up withan exact name for it yet, but it's
a year long leadership anddevelopment journey for kids who
want to grow as athletes andleaders on and off the ice or the
field.
Where we like, as mentionedearlier, combining all the empowerment
essentials and the 10 generalphysical skills throughout the entire

(44:50):
year, broken down into fourquarters of programming with videos
and action steps, workouts, journaling.
So it's, it's really, it's,it's really awesome.
So I guess with that, what's,what's next for you, your, your mission,
what's next for your facility?
Are there any big improvementson the horizon or things that you,

(45:10):
you want to share with, withthe listeners here?
Just, you know, I'm reallypassionate about what it is that
I do.
This kind of fell onto my lap,you know, during COVID where I decided
to pivot and work with kidsbased on all of the unique news that
we were seeing.
And so I, you know, it wassomething that, you know, hit me

(45:32):
inside that was like, listen,you know, you want to make sure that
your kid is resilient and thathe's healthy.
And that's how I started training.
So I think what I justmentioned as far as the captain's
program, is really what'spulling me forward, giving a lot
of time.
I have several kids in it nowand it's just amazing.

(45:52):
And it's, it's individualized,so we have separate calls and you
know, each program is customto the kid when it comes to their
workout space because it's alot of virtual training in addition
to, you know, attending my class.
There's like some stuff thatthey get to do at home.
The parents are involvedbecause it's just now evolving into

(46:13):
like a captain's program, notjust for the kid, but how to be a
captain as a parent, you know,how are you going to captain your,
your kid?
How are you going to be acaptain to the kids?
And I think a lot of what wetalked about earlier where, you know,
as parents, where there aretimes where we need to be, you know,
leaders is what we want to be, right?
But there are times we need to manage.
There are times we have to bea boss and we don't want to.

(46:33):
There are times that we wantto be their friend.
There's a times we need to betheir coach.
And you know, for leadership,it's not just about getting people
to follow you, it's aboutgoing first.
And I think parents need to go first.
So this is all kind of fullcircle and what I created in this
development and it just kindof happens.

(46:54):
It's, you know, that, youknow, I don't know, it's just, I
don't know, just the way it'sjust evolved organically and I really
enjoy working on it.
Like every single minutemoment I get to work on these programs
or, you know, in specific,particular the captain's program
just.
It really pulls me, man.
I love it.
Yeah.

(47:14):
You mentioned the captain'sprogram a couple times that you created.
Whether it's in the captain'sprogram or in total empowerment training
or even at the rink, if youcould give one specific piece of
advice to, let's just say a 12year old, right, of hockey player
who dreams of playing collegeor pro hockey, what would, what would

(47:38):
coach tone tell them?
One piece.
I would say to fall in lovewith the process, not just the outcome.
You know, be the hardestworker, stay consistent, always bring
your best energy.
Because if you stay focused onwho you're becoming every day, the
results will follow.
That's what I would leave.

(47:59):
That's the advice I would givea 12 year old.
That's awesome.
Be the hardest worker in the room.
It's what I tell my kids, right?
There's no friends between thewhistles, Right.
Teammates are not.
You're there to competebecause if you're gonna take shift
off, you're gonna take a drilloff, you're not just impacting yourself,
you're impacting your team, right?
So the sooner you can realizethat, the better.

(48:21):
And it's falling in love withthe process, you know, because a
lot of kids see, you know,someone doing something and whatever
and I want to get there, Iwant to get there.
But you know, when you fall inlove with the process people.
Those kids usually get therebecause they, they love the process
or they're doing the workbehind closed doors that nobody's
watching.
You know, when no one'swatching, they're putting in the

(48:41):
extra work, they're takingshots at home, you know, they're
doing push ups when, you know,between commercials or, you know,
during, you know, watching TVshows or whatever it is.
You know, another likemotivational thing you can do with
that to kind of get themmotivated is, you know, hey, dad,
can I get some time on my iPador whatever it is?
It's like, yeah, sure, bangout, you know, 50 push ups.
I'll give you 10 minutes, youknow, or read, you know, 20 pages

(49:05):
and you'll get 10 minutes here.
You know, something to make itlike, you know, fun in a sense.
But they gotta, they gottawork for it.
And I really think, you know,I mean, so much more is coming to
me, but let's just stick withthat for time's sake.
But I think the first thingwas for sure falling in love with
the process and definitelybeing the hardest worker.
You know, you gotta, asparents, I think for us to help with,

(49:25):
you know, this advice is togently hold kids accountable to their
commitments.
So when they stay consistentand they want to be the hardest worker,
you can remind like, hey,remember that commitment you made
the other day?
You wanted to take, you know,50 shots, you know, before, you know,
bedtime.
Where are you on that today?
Oh, I took 25.
Oh, great.
I can't wait to see how thenext 25 are going to look.

(49:46):
You know, I can't wait towatch you stuff like that.
You know, you don't reallypressure them.
But, you know, little, littlegentle nudge is okay.
I feel, you know, you don'twant to really, you know, get mad
at them if they don't holdthemselves in a commitment or whatever.
But it's part of us being acaptain too.
You know, we got to let themknow that we support them and that
it's important to stick totheir commitments.

(50:07):
Yeah, I mean, I swear themessage I tell my kids, I'm like,
look, I will logistically andfinancially support you however I
can, but you got to be willingto put the work in.
And you know, something that'shelped me is, you know, all this,
these, these video clips andpodcasts like this where they have
these high level athletes on.
So you get kind of a glimpsebehind the curtain to some of the
bedards and the McDavid.

(50:28):
So when they are saying, like,I want to Be the next Connor Bedard.
I'm like, all right, dude,listen up.
Here's what it takes.
Listen to what he did when hewas a kid.
That's.
That's what he's doing.
I'm not saying you have to dothat, but that's what it took to
get there.
So if you want to be greatsomeday, you got to put the work
in.
Right?
I just wanted to interject and say.
Yeah, I'm sure Eric wouldagree with me when I say this.

(50:51):
And a lot of people I know inprofessional hockey, whether they're
GMs, junior coaches, juniorGMs, college coaches, D1 coaches,
and I ask them, what do youlook for in a player?
And they all give me the same answer.
The hardest worker in theroom, the one who comes with his

(51:13):
lunch pail every day, puts thework in and has that compete level.
Not one of them says thehighest scorer.
Mm.
Right.
They say that.
The one that comes and competes.
So it's pretty cool that youinstill that with your young athletes
as well.
Tony.
Thank you.
Tell them, like, be that.

(51:34):
Try hard.
Right?
That's not a derogatory term.
You know, you go out there andbe the one that's earning and making.
Making those players earnevery single inch that they're going
to try to get on you.
You know, we've covered a lottoday, Tony.
A ton.
Is there anything that we, youknow, didn't ask you about specifically
or that you wanted to bring upor you wanted to highlight?
Could be anything, really.
No, I think we covered it.

(51:54):
You know, I'm just, you know,I'm thankful for you guys, because
the mission, you know, goesbeyond hockey.
Obviously.
You know, I do want to buildstrong athletes, but, you know, more
importantly, I want to buildstrong people.
Kids who know their worth,lead with confidence, bring out the
best in others and that, youknow, my true inspiration for this
was my own son.
Both of them, both kids.

(52:15):
You know, my youngest wasborn, you know, in August, you know,
right before COVID And if itwasn't for Covid, I probably would
not have gotten this idea tokeep him active.
You know, I have my certaintake on the news.
You know, some of my friendsare like, did you see that on the
news?
I'm like, I have no idea whatyou're talking about because I don't
really watch it.
So, you know, I'm not sayingyou should or shouldn't watch it,

(52:38):
but in my world, I don't,because it's what I've seen when
I have watched it.
Is nothing truly that positive?
So it's like, you know, whatcan I do?
And just seeing him, you know,develop and evolve into the young
man he's becoming on and offthe ice, it's such a joy to see the
leadership, you know, justcoming out from him, you know, and

(53:01):
like, I have so many, justincredible moments that we share
together on and off the ice.
You know, he is a very hard worker.
I would say that he prettymuch puts a lot of what I teach into
action.
And I, you know, it's, it's,it's been a joy.
So he likes to encourage kids.
He gets excited, too, fortheir successes.
You know, he got, he got alongreally well with Charles's.

(53:24):
With Charles, so Chuck's son.
And, you know, it's.
And I think he could vouch forthat as well.
Yeah, I, I mean, I thinkthat's it.
It's just, it's.
It's a blessing to do what I do.
I love it and I really amgrateful for this, for this call.
You know, I did everything Icould to squeeze it in, and I'm just

(53:45):
glad you guys are patient with me.
I know Chuck was following upwith me a lot, and I'm like, I can't
answer this.
I can read it, but I couldn'ttake any action on it at the moment.
But I do appreciate, he'salways so patient, and I do appreciate
the follow up.
It was a lot of fun to, to beon this podcast with you guys, for
sure.
No, we know you're a busy man.
We appreciate you squeezing us in.
I know personally what totalempowerment training is all about

(54:06):
and people listening haveheard it from you.
But for players, parents, orcoaches who want to see more of what
Coach Tony and, and totalempowerment training, what, what
it's all about, how can theyreach out to you or follow along
with you?
Maybe on social media, theycan visit.
Ourwebsite@totalempowerment.com they

(54:29):
can follow us on Instagram@totalempowerment training.
And the YouTube channel is atotal empowerment training.
Or they can emaildirectly@tonyotalempowerment.com awesome.
All right, one, one finalquestion for you.
It's something we ask all our guests.
So, okay, what is yourdevelopment or definition of development?
And that can be mental,physical, it can be a combination

(54:51):
thereof.
What is your definition of development?
All right, now that you threwthe mental feels, let me see what
I could come up with here.
Development, Development.
My definition of developmentwould be growth from the inside out.
It's building your body,sharpening your mind strengthening
your spirit and learning toshow up as your best self.

(55:12):
For athletes, that meansbecoming faster, stronger and smarter,
I think, and, but also moreconfident, resilient and replaced
and empowered.
I like it.
Quote him.
Put it on a T shirt.
Put it on a T shirt.
Yeah, sellthem@totalempowerment.com I gotta
tell you.
If you ask me again, Iwouldn't remember what the hell I
just said.
So, you know, I, I have myeyes closed with a lot of these questions,

(55:35):
so try not to get any distracted.
But you guys have been great, man.
This is a really, this is alot of fun.
It really was.
Well, we, like Eric said, weappreciate you coming on, spending
some time with us and givingsome information out to, to our audience.
So once again, Tony, again,thanks for joining us.

(55:55):
Yeah, thanks Tony.
This was a huge, you know, Itruly mean it when I say it that
you're, you're changing livesand you're, you're making kids lives
better.
So any, you know, anybody thatkind of dedicates their time to making
kids better, better people,better athletes, and just feel better
about themselves, I thinkthat's awesome.
And it's, it's kind of a, youknow, one of the unsung professions

(56:18):
out there.
So, you know, thanks for allyou do for the kids.
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may be interested and benefitfrom this podcast.
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