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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Sherpa Leadership Podcast, where we're
here to help you climb higherin life and leadership.
Whether you're an entrepreneur,business owner or leading a
team, this podcast is designedto give you practical leadership
tools, frameworks andreal-world insights to help you
grow.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome to Episode 0 of the Sherpa Leadership Podcast
, where we help you climb higherin life and leadership.
I'm here with my good friendReed Moore and I'm Chase
Williams.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Hey everybody, so glad that you joined us for this
.
This is Episode 0, where we'rejust going to kind of share our
heart, share our mind about thereason that we're doing this
podcast and and we're justexcited to get into it.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah.
So, reed, tell me what's reallyyour heart behind putting
together a leadership podcast.
There's plenty of them outthere.
This isn't the first one.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
No, it's definitely not.
You know, one of the thingsI've learned over the years is
leadership is one of thosetopics that is really attractive
to a lot of people and I lovetalking about, I'm passionate
about helping leaders, all ofthose things.
But one of the things that I'verealized over the years is that
people that feel called toleadership and end up in what we
call organizational leadership,they have a hard road ahead of

(01:20):
them and there's lots of skills,there's lots of pain and there
can be a lot of loneliness, andthis podcast really is designed
to speak to people who carry theweight of leadership, to just
help them climb higher and tomaybe lighten their load.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
So I want to come back to this idea of
organizational leadership andwe'll unpack that a little bit
more, but I would say part of myheart behind it is the world is
starving for great leaders.
Yes, right, like we've justgone through an election cycle,
right, and it seems to besimilar in a lot of ways every
four years in America, right,and yet you don't have to look
very far, whether it's politicsor business, or church or

(01:59):
community, family, yeah, torealize that great leadership is
super important and it can behard to find.
Yes, and so my heart, really,as a leader that's developing
myself alongside of you, is tohelp other leaders that really
feel a calling to lead well, tohave some resources, some tools,

(02:19):
shared experiences, failures,wins, all the things that go
along with that experience tojust help them get there in a
maybe a little less painful way.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah.
So you know, if you look atsome of the traditional
definitions of leadership, right, john Maxwell is famous for
saying leadership is influence,nothing more, nothing less.
And that's so great.
The challenge is, if you'regoing to lead over a long period
of time with people like youare with your kids and like you
are inside of a business or anon-profit, is that leadership

(02:52):
is not just influence.
It's the ability to keep andsustain influence by being
consistent and growing andleading yourself first over a
long period of time and thenbeing able to lead other people.
Well, and because, if not, youerode influence over time.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Sure.
And of course, I want to askyou about this idea of the
difference of organizationalleadership as we think about it
and just influence you mentionedit there for Maxwell because
we're kind of in this era ofinfluencing.
Yes, we joke about it once in awhile back and forth, but
there's lots of mediums and lotsof people that desire to
influence others and that's nota bad thing, right.

(03:30):
It's just not the same as beingface to face, belly to belly,
over a long period of time withpeople in an organization, part
of a team, a family or otherwise.
There are some really keydifferences, I think, that make
that a topic in and of itself.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah.
So when I think aboutorganizational leadership, I
think about this internaldialogue that I have, and that
is I want those that are closestto me to think the most of me
when it comes to my leadership,and for me, my experience is
that's a high bar, right, I canjump on Instagram or I can jump
on a stage and I can have peoplewalk away saying, wow, that
guy's a phenomenal leader, sure,right.
But what I actually want is mywife and my kids to say, wow, my

(04:14):
dad is a phenomenal leader,because I know that they're
going to see me at my worst.
Yeah, they're going to see mewhen I'm not a good leader.
And if, if they at the end ofyou know when I breathe my last,
they look back and they're likelook at dad's leadership legacy
at home, right.
And then I have that with mybusiness partners and people
that are in my company, and soon and so forth.
For me, that's that's kind ofthe essence of organizational

(04:35):
leadership, because you can'tfake it with your kids, you
can't fake it with your spouse,right?
There's too many touch pointsover too long of a period of
time.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
That's right, and you can't fake it with the people
that you work alongside everyday over a long period of time.
As another example, yeah, itreally speaks a little bit to
the naming of the podcast SherpaLeadership Podcast.
Right, the idea of a Sherpa isa guide who takes you to the top
of the mountain Right.
Sherpa is a guide who takes youto the top of the mountain
Right Safely and then back downsafely, and the reason they can
do that is they go with you, yes, and they've been there before

(05:06):
and they know the pitfalls andthe places where you can slip
and die.
If you're thinking aboutmountain climbing, leadership
might not be quite thattreacherous but it can feel that
way, right, Sure can.
So a Sherpa has been there, hastaken the licks, gone through
the crucible and can help youget there safely.
It's not someone who just staysdown at base camp and points to
the top of the mountain andsays go up there.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yes, yeah Right, it's very different.
That's more like in theory.
You should take that route Verydifferent.
It's like actually that route'sthe worst, because I almost
died there.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, so talk to us.
Read about this idea that partof good organizational
leadership is first leadingyourself.
Well, what does that mean toyou?

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, so my experience has been that it is
so much easier to see challengesand faults in other people, and
it's so much easier to helpthem with those things, than it
is to be able to look in themirror, to be able to accept
feedback, to be able to haveother people speak into your
life and then to make thosechanges right.
I'm the hardest person in mylife to lead by a landslide Me,

(06:07):
too.
One of the houses that we usedto own had this big, beautiful
tree out front and it wasprobably 120, 130 feet tall and
three people, arm to arm, justreached around, arms around.
It was amazing.
We had a windstorm one night andwe heard this giant crash and
we woke up in the morning andthis giant, perfect, beautiful,
strong tree had broken in halfand, and, like it, went down the

(06:29):
gully and unfortunately itdidn't land on the house.
We walked around the back side.
Guess what we saw in the middleof that tree.
What's that?
It was punk.
Okay, it was rotten at the core.
Yeah, it looked great, but whenthere was too much pressure it
broke, and it broke in a violentway that if it was on the other
side of our house, it wouldhave crushed the house.

(06:49):
Yeah Right, that's the ideahere, is that nobody gets to see
whether I'm leading myself wellor not.
But I know, yeah, and if I canfight that and then I can fight
for leading the people closestto me, first, the actual ripple
effect across the community,across the country, across the
world can be profound.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, and my hallucination around this too,
reid, is that when people aredeciding whether they will allow
you to lead them or not becausethat's a choice that you have
to earn right there are some keythings that they think about,
either consciously orsubconsciously that they look at
.
One of the most famous ones wetalk a lot about is do you care
about me?
Right, right, that's animportant one, but I believe

(07:30):
another one that they actuallythink about is can you help me?
Yeah, do you do?
Do?
Are you a person that hascharacter and has capability and
has capacity?
However, you might think of that, that, that you can actually
help me get where I'm going, andI would be willing to follow
you.
And so, if you're not first, asa leader, building a strong
foundation of those things, mygut tells me that a lot of

(07:55):
people are going to see throughthat right, unlike the tree
story that you shared, it had tofall over before you saw the
punky wood in the middle.
I think people can see throughthat right, if you're working
really hard to lead someone, butthey're kind of paying close
attention to how well you leadyourself, they start to question
if you're the right person tofollow.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, and really talented people are going to.
You could say really talentedpeople.
You might tell yourself thatyou're hiring them, but there's
the other side of that coin andthey are hiring you to get them
where they want to go in theirlives.
And if where they want to go intheir lives is somewhere in the
world of wealth and wholeness,it's somewhere around the world

(08:35):
of building a big life.
They're going to be looking toyou to model that.
It doesn't mean you need to beperfect.
It doesn't mean you need to beon that journey actively.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
So what does it look like to focus on leading
yourself first right, and wekind of we kind of pull this out
of what we call the I serveleadership model, and we'll go
through that from time to time.
We won't cover it all on theepisode zero, but the first, the
first letter in the acronym I,is individual performance and
results.
So tell us what that looks likepractically.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, so.
So in in kind of leadershipconversations there's, there's
something that's really, youknow, pretty prolific and it's
an important idea, and that iswork on your strengths, not your
weaknesses.
And that's true to a point, butas an organizational leader,
you'll find that your weaknessescan quite readily undermine
your strengths, and so they dohave to be worked on.

(09:23):
And so, when we look at the Iserve model, there's just this
handful of things that everyleader needs to continue to grow
, and the first one isindividual performance and
results, which we'll talk aboutin our next episode, right, and
there's all these other elements, right, see and shape the
future as a leader, engage anddevelop others, reinvent
continuously, value results andrelationships and ultimately

(09:43):
embody the values.
Right, what you see is what youget, yeah, and so we're going
to spend time really thinkingthrough these different elements
of this model, and and andbeing sherpa is as best we know
how sure and bringing people onthat are seasoned, matured
leaders to be able to help sharetheir story about what it looks
like to to climb this mountainof leadership okay.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
So, reed, let me ask you a tough question.
Yeah, Anyone watching thispodcast episode zero of the
Sherpa Leadership Podcast thatmight be considering or
wondering if we would be twogood Sherpas for their
leadership journey.
What would you tell them?

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I think the classic answer that I've learned is I
don't know that you should Fair,and if you decide that maybe
it's worth listening, fair, andif you decide that maybe it's
worth listening, what I wouldsay is that I've had the
opportunity to be in businesswith people that have been in my
world for over a decade lots ofthem and if you get a chance to

(10:41):
meet my kids, you're going tosee kids that maybe exemplify
some of some of these differentcharacter tendencies and
hopefully they would say whatyou see is what you get with my
dad different charactertendencies and hopefully they
would say what you see is whatyou get with my dad.
And I've been able to, throughpain, through failure, produce
results in the business spacefor going on over 20 years now
Well, actually 25 years now andso I would just say I'm a pretty
obsessive journeyer and thethings that I've learned I have

(11:01):
an ability to kind ofencapsulate and and turn around
and maybe hand them off tosomebody else, uh, in a way that
makes their journey a littlebit easier.
Right, maybe, maybe I, I, Iwent up the mountain.
It was really not the best wayto do it, so next time up I've
learned a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, I would say something similar.
Right, like I, I would considermyself still on the journey,
right, we both are so.
So if you're thinking ofclimbing, you know, from a
perspective of leadership, we'reboth still climbing on a daily
basis.
Right, this isn't a position ofwe've arrived and now we're
going to share everything withyou.
It's like we still learn today.
We learned yesterday, we'regoing to learn tomorrow too, and

(11:40):
and share those stories, sharethose wins, but also those dark
moments of leadership that werelegitimate failures and mistakes
that we learned from.
Yeah, right, I didn't get thisgray hair for nothing.
Right, this bald head fornothing?
At least I don't.
I don't think I got it yeah,yeah.
And, you know, I ultimately, Ithink that I believe that a lot
of us feel called to leadership.

(12:01):
Yes, right, it's more than justsomething we want, it's
something that we feel called to.
So I have a real passion for,you know, sharing everything I
can in a way that hopefullypeople can understand, through
examples, through story.
We're going to bring someamazing leaders as guests on
this podcast that we get tointeract with and be in
relationship with, to sharetheir stories and their failures

(12:23):
and their wins, so it won'tjust be the two of us all the
time, right, I'm fond of sayingthat if people are following you
, you don't actually get thechoice of whether you're a
leader or not.
Yeah, if people are followingyou, you're already a leader.
Right, the choice you get ishow good of a leader you'll be
and how much effort you give indeveloping your leadership.
Yeah, and so that's somethingthat I'm really passionate about

(12:45):
delivering any value that Ipossibly can man so good.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I love that, and there's a weight, and that's the
idea is we want to lighten thatweight, we want to make you
stronger to carry that weight.
Craig Groeschel says somethingthat I just love, and that is
everybody deserves to be ledwell, yeah, and that really
captures the heartbeat of whatwe're setting out to do here.
Love it, hey guys.
Thank you so much for joiningus for episode zero.
I'm really excited about thefirst episode we're going to
talk about.

(13:09):
Individual performance andresults is a foundational
principle for you to be able tolead well.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Thanks for listening to the Sherpa Leadership Podcast
.
If today's episode inspired you, don't forget to subscribe,
leave a review or share withyour favorite leader.
You can find more tools andresources on
sherpaconsultinggroupcom.
Remember, leadership is ajourney and every step you take
matters.
Keep climbing.
We'll see you next time.
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