May 4, 2025 • 35 mins
SHOW PONY Ep. 4 – John Flies Across the Country to Stand Outside a Gym John has completely snapped.
Fueled by a Bravo fitness obsession 20 years in the making, he impulsively travels cross-country just to loiter outside Sky Sport & Spa — the hallowed ground of Workout. Overwhelmed by his own madness, he calls Andy Cohen’s assistant (also a trusted lifelong lesbian) to emotionally process this very public, very personal spiral. 💥 It’s an episode full of bad decisions, emotional damage, and gym-based delusion.
New episodes every Monday! Listen wherever podcasts rot your brain. #WorkoutBravo #SkySportSpa #RealityMeltdown #ShowPonyPodcast
Fueled by a Bravo fitness obsession 20 years in the making, he impulsively travels cross-country just to loiter outside Sky Sport & Spa — the hallowed ground of Workout. Overwhelmed by his own madness, he calls Andy Cohen’s assistant (also a trusted lifelong lesbian) to emotionally process this very public, very personal spiral. 💥 It’s an episode full of bad decisions, emotional damage, and gym-based delusion.
New episodes every Monday! Listen wherever podcasts rot your brain. #WorkoutBravo #SkySportSpa #RealityMeltdown #ShowPonyPodcast
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hello, Hello, Who will watch my doggies while I'm in
Palm Springs training a hot, horny client who wants my body?
Do you think you can hold down the fort at
Skysport and Spa while I'm in Palm Springs training a client?
If you throw a party at my house while I'm
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out of town, You're out of here.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Your ass is grass Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Welcome to show Pony a relentless look at the shows
that shape us.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm John Hill.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I've reached episode four of the Bravo classic hit from
two thousand and six, Workout with Jackie Warner. My entire
world has been taken over by sky Sport and Spa.
It's consumed me and it now controls my life. This
episode is very special, and I'm still recovering from what
has transpired over the past week. I recently had to
go to LA for an acting job. I was only
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there for forty eight hours. I had one night to
get a good night's sleep to rest for the big
job I was out there for. With the spirit of
Jackie Warner and the soul of sky Sport and Spa, well,
let's just say they had other plans. I'm only in
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Los Angeles for twenty four hours for a job, and
I couldn't sleep. It was like a lesbian sirens song
calling to me. It was the spirit of Jackie Warner
begging me, pleading with me to come here. It's like
a lesbian version of the Telltale Heart by Egar Ell
and Poe. I just couldn't stop hearing the heartbeat of
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sky Sport and Spa. I'm probably gonna get in trouble
for trespassing. So we're on the corner of Wilshire Boulevard
in Los Enega. There it is eighty five hundred Wilshire Boulevard.
I'm looking up. God, I would love to see this
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place in the daytime. So much history here. It really
is a gorgeous building. It's a testament to the architecture
of Los Angeles, which is in and of itself quite impressive.
There it is sky Sport and Spa. This is where
it all took place. This is where everything happened, all
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of it. Brian Peeler, Rebecca Erica even Zen, and Jackie
you herself, all the pounds that were shed. Clients would
walk in here, they would go upstairs in the elevators
and then they would work out. They would sweat and
they would work out there, and there's a cop approaching.
(02:53):
A cop just stopped me and interrogated me and said, what.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
God, I should have left the camera running, so fuck
and stupid standing here. I do feel like I understand
Jackie a little bit better. Okay, I'm gonna get shot.
I came here for answers, and now I feel like
all I have is questions. I came here to understand Jackie.
I came here to walk where she walked. It was
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unsettling knowing how much history had taken place in that
very building. I really need to sit with this. I
need to find a lesbian who knows me. I need
to find a lesbian who lives in LA who can
put this all into perspective. I need to find a
lesbian who can help me process all that I'm feeling.
(03:41):
I need. Darren Karp, Hi, Snoopy, welcome back to show Pony.
Hi Darren karp, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Thanks for having me?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Thank you for seeing me on this early morning of Coak.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I love being your airport stop.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, okay, so I told you I went. I had
a late night. I went to Skysport and spa to
just walk on the.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Hollow on the ground reporting. Yeah, a cop.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Drove by, and I'm so stupid for cutting the camera
that I got, but I got scared that I was
going to but I should have left it on if
a cop.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Pulls, you ever leave the case the camera?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So dumb, but I cut it right.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So don't talk to cops number one rule. Sorry, I'm
true crime, but I was.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
There was nobody around. It was three and thirty in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's probably why they were like, who's this suspicious?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I had a light, I had a l gotch and
a light on the phone and I have my mic
and I'm what's in the building?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Row a bank?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So this cop car pulls up and he's like you okay, sir.
I was like just filming a flog and he's like
about what I was like a business in here, and
he was like the bank. And then I was like,
oh my god, he thinks I'm like casing the bank
to rob it, like and and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
No, Skysport and spa it was a gym. And I
started blame, oh my god, you explain you're like download
my podcast? Wait did he like know that?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And I was like no skytspots, I was a gym
on the roof and he's like okay, and then drove off.
But I was shaken because like no.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
One, anytime there's a cop ner, you're just getting visibly nervous. Anyone,
anyone would, anyone would, especially here.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I wanted to sense the presence of Jackie. I wanted
to stand where she stood. Yeah, I wanted to feel
the earth beneath my feet and then know how many
goals were set and.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Met, Well, how many calories gained and lost over him?
Did you want to hook up with a girl like
in that moment, yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I feel like a person in crisis in a way.
I'm like, can I come over and talk about it?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You're like nine am, workout, but like you asked me
at like three pm the day before that, You're like, no,
it's last minute. But you're the only dyke I know
that lives on the West Side. That's basically what it was,
and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I needed someone who can ground me, who I've found
for a decade or longer, even fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Fifteen years, I think, yeah, twenty eleven is when I
started with Andy. But am I considered an La lesbian
because I've only been here. It's been less than two
years for me.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Because your partner is someone I.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Know, and she's an La lesbian.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, Okay, she's so important. She's upstairs sleeping.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
She really missed John so much so that she'd.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Take a nap. Tell him, I said, Hi, But I
feel like I am in the home of greatness, the
Jackie warners of our time. I mean, if I was gay,
how old was Darren Carp in two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I was graduating. I was a freshman in college, so
I was eighteen years old.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
First of all, Darren Carp, tell the people how they
know you.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes, you probably know me through John and Andy. You
probably know me as Andy's assistant because they've been with
Andy for fourteen years. I've been with him since twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
But you're still standing.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm still standing. Yeah, I'm I'm like one of the
longest running women in his life that isn't related to
him my blood. Yeah. I always feel like the gayness
actually helped us. Gay in lesbians can judge each other. Really,
you know you're wearing that, you know without insulting.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Do you ever tell him, like, why do you wear
that outfit.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
He wears those air the White Air Jordan's you hate those,
but I like those. I understand, but they're so hetero.
I actually like them, but they're so hetero. In the
they he's in his sweatsuit, which.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I think those are hot. This is about him about
check No, but this.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
But close enough because the style and Jackie Warner really
made me want to be straight. In this episode, I
got to say, so.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
You're in college, you're watching, and you watched it in
real time.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I watched it in real time, not every season.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I know I need to watch the L word, which
I will go back and away.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That is the biggest misstep from you, Like, it's actually
insulting that you haven't seen it a because you love lesbians.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Maybe that's what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's been what's wrong. I feel like you you missed
like eight grades in college. Are you smart? Yes, but
you're not an intellect unless you've seen the L word.
I texted you yesterday is like Jackie Warner show Shane, like,
you need to see the L word in order to
understand this reference. So I was graduating high school into
college and at this time in two thousand and six,
(08:04):
I mean obviously gay's gonna get married. We were still
in the bush years. You know, I was supportive parents,
I had supportive parents.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I love that she shows that Bravo knew to share
this honest struggle about a disapproving parent. Yeah, and even
in this episode, episode four, we'll skip to it. But
like Sarah, her rich client who's flaying.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Her definitely also gay. Let's be frank about Sarah. Come on, girl,
like you're not stopping your husband.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But they have that conversation about like, being gay is
not a choice. I'm like, oh right, people were having
that like, yeah, debate at dinner.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well. I love that the woman was like, so, why
are you a lesbian trauma? I was like, I can't
even blame someone for thinking that, especially back in two
thousand and six, Like it's almost a legitimate question. Now
it would be absurd to ask that, right, Like it's absurd.
And I like the Jackie cam on camera being like, hey,
it's not a choice, because I will say, we have
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sort of reverted into this backwards culture now with young
people thinking that it sort of is a choice. That
people are like like jo Josie was no longer a lesbian.
Oh I didn't know that you couldn't be no longer
a lesbian. So I'm glad that Jackie came on. It
was such an interesting conversation to kind of see her.
If the cameras weren't there, one hundred percent, they would
have hooked up. And I don't care what Jackie says.
She's like, I don't cheat on my partner. I'm so jealous, snoopy,
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do you have to play with that? Sorry? My dog
is playing with the like tinfoil. Basically, they would have
hooked up, and Jackie being so flirtatious and.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So like, do you think it was for the cameras
or do you think they were I think that's Jackie.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I think it's jack I think that's how women, these
gay women. I think she gained power with that. I'm
not blaming her. I do the same thing where sometimes,
especially in my younger career, I was very flirtatious forward
in order to be more approachable with women. And that
sounds a little crazy, but I think the meanest people
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to me in my life have been women. I'll say
that the least supportive women people in my life have
been women. So I think that sometimes with firtation it's like, no,
I'm attracted to you, girl, I'm not looking at your
guy like I'm attracted to you. And then it kind
of disarms the woman a little bit, and you could
tell that's what was happening here.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
These are the dynamics that I didn't know really existed
between people. I think Jackie's business model was kind of
like sex cells like it back then.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
It's like, don't she want to be one of us?
Look at my box? You want to look like me,
You want to be you want to be one of
the cool kids. And I don't think she was telling
false premise, Like I didn't get the idea that she
was like evil. I just got the idea. It's like, yeah,
that's probably how she got Okay, let's talk about it
so far.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So basically, yeah, the whole main a story, I would say,
is Jackie going to Palm Springs with Sarah, who is
a rich married woman married to her cattle rancher.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Who doesn't know that she's wants to hug up with
a woman, but she absolutely does. She does.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
She does, That's why she was there. She doesn't want
to do bench dips. While Jackie holds her ankles, she's.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Like, I have no try as what am I to do?
But Jackie with the camo pants.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The jeans are so low that that's such a look.
That ass crack is just always.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The other woman. Angela had to pull up her pants
and I was like, wow, we really come far and
also full circle because that's back now, it's back, It's
back twenty years religion bootcut. I appreciated the look and
was very Shane from Elward, very you know.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Who I loved on the sorry to go off topic,
Miya Kirshner.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Miya Kirshner was did she become crazy? Yeah, she becomes
crazy and she becomes but in real life she became Oh,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
In real life, I think like workout, there wasn't anything.
We remember these shows so vividly because we were gay
kids from somewhere else watching like, oh, this is La
lesbians and it was so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Did you watch it in real time?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
No, I've never watched it. What's my first time?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
This isn't it rewatch, it's they watch? Wow, Okay, you
really don't like lesbians. You don't watch any lesbian content.
Like the mid two thousands, it was like lesbians dominated
the culture. I watched k Sweetie am my hair.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
How much do you think Jackie made on that trip?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Does she say? That's what I want to know, because okay,
she gets.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Twenty five hundred.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
How much does she charged per session? Do you think?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
She says in the beginning four hundred, But I don't
believe it.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Four hundred. I think that seems love Snoopy. I know, yeah, Snoopy.
Snoopy could afford it. Snoopy could afford it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
At the beginning of episode one, they say that Tests
is flying from Texas for twenty five hundred dollars for
the week to two hour sessions every day. You can
start to hear it when she's when she tells Tests
in this episode, you are gaining weight because it's muscle.
You're losing your fat.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's about how you. That was really eye opening, though,
because she was like, why am I gaining? And I
literally said, Snoopy, do you have to do that? I said, muscle?
You will muscle ways more than fat. Like you know,
I'm trying to get her. Came here, baby, come here,
I know you want to play. We're just recording right now.
Come here, We're going to record together. We're gonna talk
about muscle.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
She is the cutest like that, those kinds of conversations,
which I mean I was working out at this time.
I'm at crunch.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
No, I've only known you for fourteen years, but you've
always been so fit. Not when I was sho Okay,
maybe not when you were doing to fenty, but like
even then, I was like, John Hill's body is insane.
And maybe it's also because you just show your penis
like on Instagram all the time. So I'm like, oh,
I definitely know the shape of John Hill's penis, and
that's fine. I'm glad I do. And I've seen every
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crevice of your body, I'm sure, just from Instagram and like,
God bless, because like you look amazing, God bless. Listen.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Have you seen the whale with Brendan face?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, so like if you compare yourself to.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
That when I was high on finanal for years, Like
I what year are we talking? Yeah, twenty thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
For early days, I feel like I saw you and
I was like, I kept the I was half asleep,
but you kept a low profile. But I've always thought
you looked amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
When I got sober, I was forty three and so,
and I hadn't like taken my shirt off in twenty years,
and so I was kind of like, really, I'm going
to just get my life now. I mean, it's the
wave is I'll put sure. Yeah, Yet I don't want
to be a fifty year old person with VPL. I mean,
I will say it sells tickets to my shows. Listen,
(14:08):
why not they always say, like the trainer, their body
is their billboard. That's true, it's an advertisement. Like don't
you want to look like this buying they're selling you.
They want you to buy it.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I mean, you don't want like an obese trail I wouldn't.
I mean, to be fair, like I wouldn't want like
an unhealthy doctor right to see me, you know, like
if I mean, if you're going to train me, like
I want abs and I want I want the tongue.
So I get it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's just, you know, let's talk about the other people
in Sky's Sports. So she snaps it Doug for wearing
jeans in the gym. He's like, what, I'm just stopping
by to train one person that I'm out.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I love Doug. Yeah, I like Doug.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Jackie tells Erica, you have to take the reins while
I'm in Pump Springs.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, training, I kind of like Erica.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
She cracked the what I love Erica? I mean, so
there's Erica juxtaposed with Rebecca, who you know becomes Jackie's
girlfriend in season two.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yes, that's right. Who makes sense? Makes sense that she does.
I forgot that she did until I saw her and
I was like, how do I know her? And then
I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
She watched the last episode and dmned Jess And so
when season two happens, that's going to be the premiere?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Did she dm just like upset? No, she was like whatever,
She's like, give me to Oh you're in the inn.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I DMed Jesse and he didn't right back. But that's fine.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He's probably like, this is a time in my life.
I would like he has a podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
And also, let me just say good on Bravo for
kind of being ahead of the curve, which just gay
culture and gay people and not really making it a thing.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
They're like tonguing down at restaurants and they're having real
like even though it's heightened and it's crazy Jackie and Mimi,
that drama, it's very outward like so much like soapy.
They're addicted to the drama.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Which is a common theme.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Is that what happens?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Is it common theme? I mean not with everyone, not
with my fiance, and not to drama, but certainly girls
I've dated, I'm like, oh, they just like that hot
of and maybe there is a little like penis envy
going on there, you know, like a little bit of
a dominating.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
How does penis envy work?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I mean I think it's is it literal or is it?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I think it's more like, yeah, I think it's more
like physiological territory. Yeah, Like I don't have that. I
would not want a thing like that around. I'm really sad.
I'm really good where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You don't want that. Jody Wattley comes back in this episode.
She's recovered from seeing.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
The Dick pic. And episode one, thank god, there's.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Jackie in Pump Springs training this rich, horny married woman
and the money Erica taking the reins at Skysport and
trying to keep everyone in line.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And then she's really pretty. She's beautiful. She's really like
underrated in that show because she actually has such a
gorgeous face and I gotta be honest as someone who's
worked for someone powerful, right, I would be the same
way where I'm like, don't have your dog shit in
the gym, like like no, like the boss can the
boss can do it. Not you Andy can shit in
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the gym, but you cannot fucking shit in the gym.
Like totally I got her whole thing.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And then the other kind of like c story I
guess is Jesse Jackie says, will you take care of
my dog the house, which is she could have just
asked someone more responsible.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
She could have just gone with the dog. So the
dogs are like two and a half pounds and she
was lying on a private.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Plane in the way of her lesbian adventure.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Totally true, I get that. But like classic house party.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Okay, So when we're in Palm Springs, she's talking to Sarah.
They've trained a little bit, they flirt all the way there,
and then Jackie says, Paul McCartney is a client.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That's what she casually dropped that. She was like, you know,
all my all my clients like Paul McCartney and like Linda,
and I was like no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no, there's no one after Paul McCartney, and
I was like, you trained Paul McCartney. That was like,
I don't believe it. I don't, I can't, Snoopy, I'm
going to I'm gonna murder you. Sorry, john No, I
want to hold her. Go ahead. She's so good, Johnny
(18:01):
told you. And also was she allowed to say that,
because I feel like Paul McCartney would have been like,
absolutely not. Don't tell people. He was just back in
the day. Like I'm coming at it from a twenty
twenty five perspective of being like, oh my god, what
are the socials gonna say? Like, well, there was none
of that was no social and like there was no
feedback loop of everyone commenting on everything.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
He probably she probably did train him at one point
and then just like I said that, I believe it.
There's a kernel of truth there, but I can't. I
just can't see Paul McCarney showing up to Sky Sporting
Spot and doing like burpies on about.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I Also, let's take Equinox, because that's like an like
it's accessible enough. Jackie's gym does not look that great,
like it does not like have the like the state
of the art equipment. I mean granted I understand it's
two thousand and six, but like, just it's basically the
gym at like it could be my apartment, yes, on
a cruise ship maybe, like yes, hotel, hotel. So I
(18:50):
was like, is this what I'm paying four hundred dollars for?
Like I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Thaking for the experience. You're paying to see the attention
my trainer is this celebrity in Beverly Hills. Marcy Klein
had an idea once that I still think to this
day is the funniest idea. She wanted to do a
show called Celebrity Trainer. But it's it's the celebrity comes
to you and trains you, like each week it's a newslet.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Like Paul McCarty is going to come and train me.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, tell you his workout.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Anyway, thought was good.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I would love that Sarah and Jackie work out in
Palm Springs and then they have this long ass dinner
they talk about, Yeah, why'd you become a lesbian? Being
a lesbian is not a choice, whatever that.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Stuff, And that was good. That was good conversation.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That was good, And I wonder if Sarah brought that
up or suggested that being gay's a choice because.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
She's considered choosing. She's she thinks Jackie looks good. Yeah,
she literally just chose.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And then and then I turn on Sarah because she
starts to say, well, what would MEMI do if you
kissed another or what would you do if you saw
me me kissing another girl? And she's I could kill
her and I'd kill the other one. Yeah, I loved
that Jackie said that, And then Sarah I was like,
would you find it hot if Mimi had sex with
another girl you watched?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
And I'm like, wait, and I'm like, she's your trainer.
By the way, it's one thing to flirt, and it
was blatant, and if I was Mimi watching that episode,
I would have been pissed. And it's not that Jackie
didn't answer correctly, but Jackie was also leaning into it too,
like she could have been like, hey, that's inappropriate, and
I understand you're not going to say you're client now,
like she is in the service industry.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
In a way, I'm giving into the fantasy of this
show and I'm believing at all. But also in the
back of my mind is I was a reality TV
producer for so long.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, that I know.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
The logline of episode four was Jackie goes to Pump
Springs with a flirtatious client. Jackie, I mean, Mimi gets jealous.
Can Erica hold the fort down? Will Jesse survive the
night and throw a party? Those are the bullet points, right, And.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
We all know he wasn't going to sit quietly at
home with the dogs like he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
They don't script these things out, but they do give up.
You're a story producer saying what do we think could
happen this time?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You're put in a position under which storyline is going
to happen.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
You guide people to, you know, and those are very
fair things to track. But like, definitely, I think Jackie
knowing that, it's like, oh, well, I'm on this trip
with this flirtatious client. I thought they were going to kiss.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I thought at the end of the night, Jackie's putting
her Yeah, Jackie's putting her arm around her. She's like, oh,
I'll walk you to your corridor.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
They get like really really graphic or not graphic, but
also and then she's like she's like, yeah, you'd be
crying in the end, She's like, I wouldn't be crying
She's like, no, you'd be clenching.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
My god, and then never even said that to my fiance.
Episode said clutching, but I heard clenching. I don't think
it would have been clutching. And then I'm like, but
what is either of those? What does either that mean? Also,
like I'm surprised she did that.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He has a mom and a wife to put on
national TV.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That like know, but back then, Like I know, but
back then you could really you could be on TV
and almost be anonymous back then, right, you can't walk
out on the street and be anonymous anymore. Right now
we have too my feedback going on, And that's like,
honestly what I learned, because I think that Jackie could
exist in that world, especially as a gay woman. Bravo
could exist in that without a million comments right of
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all these hateful things, Like she could kind of dominate
because she didn't have to hear from the Peanut gallery
every two seconds.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
There isn't innocence about the show and the time periods
that time there were no iPhones. You're looking at flip.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Phones, and we could actually enjoy the moment. They're living
their lives and they're for themselves.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It is It's almost like watching a kid and they
don't know that you're watching them and they're doing something
stupid and you're laughing at it. It's like they don't realize.
You know, now, they would sensor all they would.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
They would sense some one hundred and Jackie would never
have flirted in that way so blatantly.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
When Jackie's working out with Sarah Mumsprings, She's like, oh
my god, you can totally see down my pants right now.
I know.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I saw that. I was like, wait, and they turned
the camera angle to like face her directly, and I
was like, was at an edit like they actually saw
her from behind? And then you know, I.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Imagine, oh my god, I can't believe you can totally
see my dick right now.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What Like, but twenty years ago you could kind of
say that, I mean, would you Is there anything you've
ever done that would be like ikey? I'm sure there
are things that I've said that would have been ikey
back in the days.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'm sure that when people came to watch Wrappins live,
I'd be like nice tits. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I mean, there are definitely moments where I'm like, there's
nothing specific that I mean, women have it a little
bit less, I think because we're considered less predatory, Like
it's just less threatening.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
When you're conditioned to your whole life to be away.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Be small and be and be small like we really
have like how can I fit in this space? And
like as an adult now I really see it, like
I have tried so hard not to take up space.
You know, Katy Perry taught you to take us space,
and then Katie Perry taught me a lot of things.
But yeah, I mean, I'm sure there are things that
I had said that if I was, like if I
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was a dude, that wouldn't fly. But at the same time,
I can't tell you. Even in my early days, I
remember doing I'm not going to tell you that. I'll
tell you afterwards. I'm want to tell you the famous guy.
But I was doing and it's not Andy, But I
was working on a game show. I was like helping
the host and we were talking all set or something,
and I was like, oh, yeah, I'm gay talking to
a girl and he's like, what a waste for men?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, you know people told me that all my life
and you're like you're like, oh, okay, I thank you.
For like valuing me based on absolute fucking nothing.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So Jackie and Sarah don't hook up, not that we
know of, but I was shocked that they didn't. And
then we cut to Jesse at Jackie's house.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
The dogs are so cute, you know, they re mind
me of PD.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Me and Jackie have the same type of people always
say you have a type a dog, you have a
type of person you want a date, and a type
of dog that you want to have, And really I
have a type and it's that type, like a small,
short haired little.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Okay, but Snoopy's fitting that category, right. I love all dogs.
And like even with Jackie who's six or five, her
just like picking up her dog. I was like, dude,
just so cute. Yeah, although I would in La thinking
about it now, like they're gonna be eaten by coyotes.
Like I'd never let my dog out. I'd never let
my dog down in a yard ever ever. Ever. In La,
you're pretty safe here by the water, and I live
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in an apartment on a terrace.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Coyotes can't swim. I see them roaming in my neighborhood
sometimes owls. You know, when I lived with Kate French
from word. We we lived on Stanley and we would
walk our dogs and a little baby, cute little coyote
would come down and we would always be like, oh
my god, there's a cute little coyote. And we found
out later that that's how the coyotes system works. They
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send the cute little one down to the neighborhoodsco poor
little baby Cuti's back up to the day.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They are that smart to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yes, they it's like a known thing, like they send
the cute, little, adorable, petible coyote down and they just
kind of stand there unassuming, so that your dog will go,
oh a friend, and they going.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Snoopy. We are never you know what's Hollywood, don't ever
go you can eat me. Yeah. See look how tiny
snoopy looks in your arms?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay, really quick side note. Do you know the story
of Lena Dunham and her dog Lammy. She adopted a
dog and they have Snoopy is away cute.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah you better say that, you better be comparing. Oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
But then she gave she gave Lammy back because it's
it's like she couldn't train it or it was.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Oh yes, she get and then she got ship on
and dreamed apart because she was like, my dog's are red.
That's the thing. If you're gonna be loud about what
you're doing to be a good person, and then you
reverse that you do with you what do you say? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
We do?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Do you let her lick your mouth? Sometimes?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I do?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I'm sorry, but like people.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Say, it's a white people thing too, like people they
probably do one person to let your dogs sleep in.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You see that that dog's mouths are cleaner than any
other like type of thing. Oh so we want like
we bathe her regularly. We always wash her paws. I
wipe her buttthole like she's taken care of. I.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Even if Pete doesn't get clean, I let him French.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
She gets really jealous. If Nadine and I are kissing,
she gets in and she wants to kiss. She's a
little Jackie in that way.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
This show has turned me into a lesbian, thank.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
God, because we were like waiting for you to come around,
because like, you are a big well I always so
lesbians love you. You're a lesbian magnam in Indigo Girls
were my first band. Oh speaking of lesbians, Oh my god,
my lesbian's coming down. Speaking of a jack Like I'm
saying this right now, I think Nadine not Yes, did
you have Jackie as a trainer? Yes? Okay, so my
(27:35):
fiance got trained by Jackie. You gotta get on the
mic now to just like say it, because.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
We've been waiting to recruit you to lesbian for a while.
You are lesbian, Maggie, always have lesbian friends. That's why
I was personally offended that you hadn't seen il word,
because I was like, John, this seems like something you
would have watched in real time, because I feel like
you've always.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Later look case in point this show, and like, I
think it's perfect timing because when I would have watched
it back then, I wouldn't have appreciated it like I.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Would like you probably would have been like, I didn't
watch how about this?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I didn't watch.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
You're gonna Watchquar's Phone now.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I didn't watch any of this ship. I was busy.
It was busy.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh you were see Oh you were busy being the
fende and all that stuff. Okay, I will say for
all John Hill fans out there, John Hill was there
when I went through a really hard time with one
of my exes very very very very very difficult times.
Something terrible happened to me and John Hill and Andy,
but John specifically because John went through something similar. Uh,
(28:37):
you just say, I went into Dandy's office and you
just hugged me, and it was like the best hug
I've ever received and I can still recall it. So, lesbians,
you're on. You're in our group. Yeah, you know, and
it's hard for a game and to like break that barrier,
but like you're one of us.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Girl, Okay, speed round?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Lesbian quiz In drywall construction, what does mudding refer to?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Oh my god, we're going right? Instrument mudding and drywall
construction means multiple choice?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, painting over drywall. Smoothing tape seems with joint compound,
laying down moisture barriers or removing old sheet rock? Mudding?
What does it refer to?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And as you see moisture barriers? Wrong, you're straight? Correct answer.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Smoothing tape seems with joint compound.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Okay, should have known. Uh, these will be easier.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Lesbian meme culture often jokes that early signs she's gay
include an intense childhood obsession with which animated.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Movie which animated movie.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Mulan, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, or Finding Nemo.
Oh my god, I didn't know this.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I have absolutely no idea finding Nemo Mulan I've never
seen so yeah, that's why I was like, oh, maybe,
oh you're losing.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Wow, that's like the whole ratitude thing. Have you heard
about that, the gay guys putting on ratitude to hook up?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It has been that's what gay men put on their
TV to hook it. It happened to me.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Once you guys are ready to go at.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Any given time, do you need a fucking animated rat
to like encourage the penie move?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Like?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I don't understand, like you guys are ready to go?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I honestly do not understand it. I just know that
it happened to me in the wild Ones.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yes, And did you say at the Tower Hotel? And
did you say? Sure? Why are we putting on ratitude?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I laughed at him and he didn't really register.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
He didn't think that was like weird. Did gratitude like
get you in the moon?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
But the guy I just have to know, he was
in a cratchuwi aide he was.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
He was kind of a loser. Oh, well, and he
kind of like passed out during Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
That's nice sex. The gratitude wasn't doing it.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
For him, so he passed out, and I was like,
how do I get the fuck out of here?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And I just watched the rest of RATEGORY and I
was like, wait, this is really good. I was like,
I'm not gonna leave like we rented it. I'm gonna okay,
I'll cut this out.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
But it's the guy who designed Wow, which looks stupid.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Why aren't you writing a book?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Maybe I will? What specific piece of outdoor equipment do
many lesbians jokingly consider a love language to own or share? Poddleboard, hatchet, camp, stover.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Hammock hammock, Yes, okay, thank god?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
What brand of rugged sandals is considered lesbian footwear even
if you don't camp Birkenstock, Crocs, Tiva or.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Choco Birkenstock obviously, but I mean Tiva too is up there? Yeah?
Tiva is up there because Birkanstock is like cute and cool.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Now, name one super room model besides the outback commonly
bought by lesbians.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I don't know, Forester cross track, Oh okay, the fact
that you know what it haven't seen Elbert like, it's
insulting to you. You're gayer than me.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
What tool is used to check if a wall is
vertically straight? What?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
What? Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
What what do you use to check if a wall
is vertically Oh?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
You use a What the hell is it? I have
one A level, A level, A level. Thank you? So
I couldn't think of that. I was like, I know
I have. It has a little liquid in it. Okay,
one more. I'm glad that lesbian doesn't have to do
with hanging shit. By the way, I wouldn't fucking mulan.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Great which pop stars famously said, I'm not a lesbian,
but my girlfriend is Lady Gaga pink or Miley.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Cyrus pink or Pink Pink Pink.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
What year to Ellen Ellen come out both on her
sitcoment in real life?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Oh, she came out on her sidcome in the nineties,
ninety six, close ninety seven, and then she didn't work
for three years, famously didn't work for three years. She
got canceled twice. I'm sorry, I'm not a I'm not
a I'm not a Ellen hating lesbian. I'm not. I
give it up to her. I think if she was
a dude, no one would have said anything. That's my
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personal opinion. I really don't think. I think she got
canceled twice for ye know. I mean, like anyone can
be a bitch at any given day. You think it's
like she's I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Go a daily hour long talk show with a million.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
People and you're just ad revenue and you're just a product,
and it's just like it's a grind and like she
should never have done the be kind thing because then
everyone always expects you to be be kind, like it
sets you up, like no one can be kind all
the time. But like, I don't know, I give it
up to her, like she lost her job for the culture,
Well this is.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Your moment during carr final thoughts on episode for.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
It made me want to continue the season. I wanted
to see what happened with Mimi and Jackie, even though
I know that they break up. It made me want
to watch with my fiance because I was like, what
were you doing at that time that she hang with me?
She was hanging out, she was hanging out with John,
she was out, she was in La Gay and I
was a baby, and like figuring out It made me
want to watch with her, just like the Outfits alone,
(33:53):
and now that I'm in LA I feel connected. Yeah,
I feel I feel like I'm part of it now,
So yeah, I kind of I want to do that. Wow. Yeah,
thank you so much. Thanks for working me out too, Okay,
love you, I love you.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Thank you for joining us for this very special, emotional
episode of Show Pony, a relentless look at the shows
that shape us. I'm your host, John Hill. Show Pony
is created and produced by me and funded by you
members of the Patreon and also by Recess Sparkling Water,
infused with New Tropics and HEMP. Get engaged, like, subscribe, comment,
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do all the shit, get your head in the game,
and join us. There's only two more episodes left in
season one of Workout, so we're ramping up to the
big finale.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Stay with us.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I'll see you next time.
Hello, Hello, Who will watch my doggies while I'm in
Palm Springs training a hot, horny client who wants my body?
Do you think you can hold down the fort at
Skysport and Spa while I'm in Palm Springs training a client?
If you throw a party at my house while I'm
(00:29):
out of town, You're out of here.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Your ass is grass Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Welcome to show Pony a relentless look at the shows
that shape us.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm John Hill.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I've reached episode four of the Bravo classic hit from
two thousand and six, Workout with Jackie Warner. My entire
world has been taken over by sky Sport and Spa.
It's consumed me and it now controls my life. This
episode is very special, and I'm still recovering from what
has transpired over the past week. I recently had to
go to LA for an acting job. I was only
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there for forty eight hours. I had one night to
get a good night's sleep to rest for the big
job I was out there for. With the spirit of
Jackie Warner and the soul of sky Sport and Spa, well,
let's just say they had other plans. I'm only in
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Los Angeles for twenty four hours for a job, and
I couldn't sleep. It was like a lesbian sirens song
calling to me. It was the spirit of Jackie Warner
begging me, pleading with me to come here. It's like
a lesbian version of the Telltale Heart by Egar Ell
and Poe. I just couldn't stop hearing the heartbeat of
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sky Sport and Spa. I'm probably gonna get in trouble
for trespassing. So we're on the corner of Wilshire Boulevard
in Los Enega. There it is eighty five hundred Wilshire Boulevard.
I'm looking up. God, I would love to see this
(02:12):
place in the daytime. So much history here. It really
is a gorgeous building. It's a testament to the architecture
of Los Angeles, which is in and of itself quite impressive.
There it is sky Sport and Spa. This is where
it all took place. This is where everything happened, all
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of it. Brian Peeler, Rebecca Erica even Zen, and Jackie
you herself, all the pounds that were shed. Clients would
walk in here, they would go upstairs in the elevators
and then they would work out. They would sweat and
they would work out there, and there's a cop approaching.
(02:53):
A cop just stopped me and interrogated me and said, what.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Are you doing here?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
God, I should have left the camera running, so fuck
and stupid standing here. I do feel like I understand
Jackie a little bit better. Okay, I'm gonna get shot.
I came here for answers, and now I feel like
all I have is questions. I came here to understand Jackie.
I came here to walk where she walked. It was
(03:20):
unsettling knowing how much history had taken place in that
very building. I really need to sit with this. I
need to find a lesbian who knows me. I need
to find a lesbian who lives in LA who can
put this all into perspective. I need to find a
lesbian who can help me process all that I'm feeling.
(03:41):
I need. Darren Karp, Hi, Snoopy, welcome back to show Pony.
Hi Darren karp, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Thanks for having me?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Thank you for seeing me on this early morning of Coak.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I love being your airport stop.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, okay, so I told you I went. I had
a late night. I went to Skysport and spa to
just walk on the.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Hollow on the ground reporting. Yeah, a cop.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Drove by, and I'm so stupid for cutting the camera
that I got, but I got scared that I was
going to but I should have left it on if
a cop.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Pulls, you ever leave the case the camera?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
So dumb, but I cut it right.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
So don't talk to cops number one rule. Sorry, I'm
true crime, but I was.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
There was nobody around. It was three and thirty in
the morning.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
That's probably why they were like, who's this suspicious?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I had a light, I had a l gotch and
a light on the phone and I have my mic
and I'm what's in the building?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Row a bank?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
So this cop car pulls up and he's like you okay, sir.
I was like just filming a flog and he's like
about what I was like a business in here, and
he was like the bank. And then I was like,
oh my god, he thinks I'm like casing the bank
to rob it, like and and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
No, Skysport and spa it was a gym. And I
started blame, oh my god, you explain you're like download
my podcast? Wait did he like know that?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And I was like no skytspots, I was a gym
on the roof and he's like okay, and then drove off.
But I was shaken because like no.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
One, anytime there's a cop ner, you're just getting visibly nervous. Anyone,
anyone would, anyone would, especially here.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I wanted to sense the presence of Jackie. I wanted
to stand where she stood. Yeah, I wanted to feel
the earth beneath my feet and then know how many
goals were set and.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Met, Well, how many calories gained and lost over him?
Did you want to hook up with a girl like
in that moment, yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
I feel like a person in crisis in a way.
I'm like, can I come over and talk about it?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
You're like nine am, workout, but like you asked me
at like three pm the day before that, You're like, no,
it's last minute. But you're the only dyke I know
that lives on the West Side. That's basically what it was,
and that's fine.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I needed someone who can ground me, who I've found
for a decade or longer, even fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Fifteen years, I think, yeah, twenty eleven is when I
started with Andy. But am I considered an La lesbian
because I've only been here. It's been less than two
years for me.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Because your partner is someone I.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Know, and she's an La lesbian.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, Okay, she's so important. She's upstairs sleeping.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
She really missed John so much so that she'd.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Take a nap. Tell him, I said, Hi, But I
feel like I am in the home of greatness, the
Jackie warners of our time. I mean, if I was gay,
how old was Darren Carp in two thousand and six.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I was graduating. I was a freshman in college, so
I was eighteen years old.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
First of all, Darren Carp, tell the people how they
know you.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes, you probably know me through John and Andy. You
probably know me as Andy's assistant because they've been with
Andy for fourteen years. I've been with him since twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
But you're still standing.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I'm still standing. Yeah, I'm I'm like one of the
longest running women in his life that isn't related to
him my blood. Yeah. I always feel like the gayness
actually helped us. Gay in lesbians can judge each other. Really,
you know you're wearing that, you know without insulting.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Do you ever tell him, like, why do you wear
that outfit.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
He wears those air the White Air Jordan's you hate those,
but I like those. I understand, but they're so hetero.
I actually like them, but they're so hetero. In the
they he's in his sweatsuit, which.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I think those are hot. This is about him about
check No, but this.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
But close enough because the style and Jackie Warner really
made me want to be straight. In this episode, I
got to say, so.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
You're in college, you're watching, and you watched it in
real time.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I watched it in real time, not every season.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I know I need to watch the L word, which
I will go back and away.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
That is the biggest misstep from you, Like, it's actually
insulting that you haven't seen it a because you love lesbians.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Maybe that's what's wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It's been what's wrong. I feel like you you missed
like eight grades in college. Are you smart? Yes, but
you're not an intellect unless you've seen the L word.
I texted you yesterday is like Jackie Warner show Shane, like,
you need to see the L word in order to
understand this reference. So I was graduating high school into
college and at this time in two thousand and six,
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I mean obviously gay's gonna get married. We were still
in the bush years. You know, I was supportive parents,
I had supportive parents.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
I love that she shows that Bravo knew to share
this honest struggle about a disapproving parent. Yeah, and even
in this episode, episode four, we'll skip to it. But
like Sarah, her rich client who's flaying.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Her definitely also gay. Let's be frank about Sarah. Come on, girl,
like you're not stopping your husband.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But they have that conversation about like, being gay is
not a choice. I'm like, oh right, people were having
that like, yeah, debate at dinner.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Well. I love that the woman was like, so, why
are you a lesbian trauma? I was like, I can't
even blame someone for thinking that, especially back in two
thousand and six, Like it's almost a legitimate question. Now
it would be absurd to ask that, right, Like it's absurd.
And I like the Jackie cam on camera being like, hey,
it's not a choice, because I will say, we have
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sort of reverted into this backwards culture now with young
people thinking that it sort of is a choice. That
people are like like jo Josie was no longer a lesbian.
Oh I didn't know that you couldn't be no longer
a lesbian. So I'm glad that Jackie came on. It
was such an interesting conversation to kind of see her.
If the cameras weren't there, one hundred percent, they would
have hooked up. And I don't care what Jackie says.
She's like, I don't cheat on my partner. I'm so jealous, snoopy,
(09:22):
do you have to play with that? Sorry? My dog
is playing with the like tinfoil. Basically, they would have
hooked up, and Jackie being so flirtatious and.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
So like, do you think it was for the cameras
or do you think they were I think that's Jackie.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I think it's jack I think that's how women, these
gay women. I think she gained power with that. I'm
not blaming her. I do the same thing where sometimes,
especially in my younger career, I was very flirtatious forward
in order to be more approachable with women. And that
sounds a little crazy, but I think the meanest people
(09:57):
to me in my life have been women. I'll say
that the least supportive women people in my life have
been women. So I think that sometimes with firtation it's like, no,
I'm attracted to you, girl, I'm not looking at your
guy like I'm attracted to you. And then it kind
of disarms the woman a little bit, and you could
tell that's what was happening here.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
These are the dynamics that I didn't know really existed
between people. I think Jackie's business model was kind of
like sex cells like it back then.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
It's like, don't she want to be one of us?
Look at my box? You want to look like me,
You want to be you want to be one of
the cool kids. And I don't think she was telling
false premise, Like I didn't get the idea that she
was like evil. I just got the idea. It's like, yeah,
that's probably how she got Okay, let's talk about it
so far.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So basically, yeah, the whole main a story, I would say,
is Jackie going to Palm Springs with Sarah, who is
a rich married woman married to her cattle rancher.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Who doesn't know that she's wants to hug up with
a woman, but she absolutely does. She does.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
She does, That's why she was there. She doesn't want
to do bench dips. While Jackie holds her ankles, she's.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Like, I have no try as what am I to do?
But Jackie with the camo pants.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The jeans are so low that that's such a look.
That ass crack is just always.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The other woman. Angela had to pull up her pants
and I was like, wow, we really come far and
also full circle because that's back now, it's back, It's
back twenty years religion bootcut. I appreciated the look and
was very Shane from Elward, very you know.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Who I loved on the sorry to go off topic,
Miya Kirshner.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Miya Kirshner was did she become crazy? Yeah, she becomes
crazy and she becomes but in real life she became Oh,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
In real life, I think like workout, there wasn't anything.
We remember these shows so vividly because we were gay
kids from somewhere else watching like, oh, this is La
lesbians and it was so fascinating.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Did you watch it in real time?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
No, I've never watched it. What's my first time?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
This isn't it rewatch, it's they watch? Wow, Okay, you
really don't like lesbians. You don't watch any lesbian content.
Like the mid two thousands, it was like lesbians dominated
the culture. I watched k Sweetie am my hair.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
How much do you think Jackie made on that trip?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Does she say? That's what I want to know, because okay,
she gets.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Twenty five hundred.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
How much does she charged per session? Do you think?
Speaker 1 (12:10):
She says in the beginning four hundred, But I don't
believe it.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Four hundred. I think that seems love Snoopy. I know, yeah, Snoopy.
Snoopy could afford it. Snoopy could afford it.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
At the beginning of episode one, they say that Tests
is flying from Texas for twenty five hundred dollars for
the week to two hour sessions every day. You can
start to hear it when she's when she tells Tests
in this episode, you are gaining weight because it's muscle.
You're losing your fat.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
It's about how you. That was really eye opening, though,
because she was like, why am I gaining? And I
literally said, Snoopy, do you have to do that? I said, muscle?
You will muscle ways more than fat. Like you know,
I'm trying to get her. Came here, baby, come here,
I know you want to play. We're just recording right now.
Come here, We're going to record together. We're gonna talk
about muscle.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
She is the cutest like that, those kinds of conversations,
which I mean I was working out at this time.
I'm at crunch.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
No, I've only known you for fourteen years, but you've
always been so fit. Not when I was sho Okay,
maybe not when you were doing to fenty, but like
even then, I was like, John Hill's body is insane.
And maybe it's also because you just show your penis
like on Instagram all the time. So I'm like, oh,
I definitely know the shape of John Hill's penis, and
that's fine. I'm glad I do. And I've seen every
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crevice of your body, I'm sure, just from Instagram and like,
God bless, because like you look amazing, God bless. Listen.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Have you seen the whale with Brendan face?
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, so like if you compare yourself to.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
That when I was high on finanal for years, Like
I what year are we talking? Yeah, twenty thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
For early days, I feel like I saw you and
I was like, I kept the I was half asleep,
but you kept a low profile. But I've always thought
you looked amazing.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
When I got sober, I was forty three and so,
and I hadn't like taken my shirt off in twenty years,
and so I was kind of like, really, I'm going
to just get my life now. I mean, it's the
wave is I'll put sure. Yeah, Yet I don't want
to be a fifty year old person with VPL. I mean,
I will say it sells tickets to my shows. Listen,
(14:08):
why not they always say, like the trainer, their body
is their billboard. That's true, it's an advertisement. Like don't
you want to look like this buying they're selling you.
They want you to buy it.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I mean, you don't want like an obese trail I wouldn't.
I mean, to be fair, like I wouldn't want like
an unhealthy doctor right to see me, you know, like
if I mean, if you're going to train me, like
I want abs and I want I want the tongue.
So I get it.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's just, you know, let's talk about the other people
in Sky's Sports. So she snaps it Doug for wearing
jeans in the gym. He's like, what, I'm just stopping
by to train one person that I'm out.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I love Doug. Yeah, I like Doug.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Jackie tells Erica, you have to take the reins while
I'm in Pump Springs.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, training, I kind of like Erica.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
She cracked the what I love Erica? I mean, so
there's Erica juxtaposed with Rebecca, who you know becomes Jackie's
girlfriend in season two.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yes, that's right. Who makes sense? Makes sense that she does.
I forgot that she did until I saw her and
I was like, how do I know her? And then
I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
She watched the last episode and dmned Jess And so
when season two happens, that's going to be the premiere?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Did she dm just like upset? No, she was like whatever,
She's like, give me to Oh you're in the inn.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I DMed Jesse and he didn't right back. But that's fine.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
He's probably like, this is a time in my life.
I would like he has a podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
And also, let me just say good on Bravo for
kind of being ahead of the curve, which just gay
culture and gay people and not really making it a thing.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
They're like tonguing down at restaurants and they're having real
like even though it's heightened and it's crazy Jackie and Mimi,
that drama, it's very outward like so much like soapy.
They're addicted to the drama.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Which is a common theme.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Is that what happens?
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Is it common theme? I mean not with everyone, not
with my fiance, and not to drama, but certainly girls
I've dated, I'm like, oh, they just like that hot
of and maybe there is a little like penis envy
going on there, you know, like a little bit of
a dominating.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
How does penis envy work?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I mean I think it's is it literal or is it?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I think it's more like, yeah, I think it's more
like physiological territory. Yeah, Like I don't have that. I
would not want a thing like that around. I'm really sad.
I'm really good where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
You don't want that. Jody Wattley comes back in this episode.
She's recovered from seeing.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
The Dick pic. And episode one, thank god, there's.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Jackie in Pump Springs training this rich, horny married woman
and the money Erica taking the reins at Skysport and
trying to keep everyone in line.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
And then she's really pretty. She's beautiful. She's really like
underrated in that show because she actually has such a
gorgeous face and I gotta be honest as someone who's
worked for someone powerful, right, I would be the same
way where I'm like, don't have your dog shit in
the gym, like like no, like the boss can the
boss can do it. Not you Andy can shit in
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the gym, but you cannot fucking shit in the gym.
Like totally I got her whole thing.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
And then the other kind of like c story I
guess is Jesse Jackie says, will you take care of
my dog the house, which is she could have just
asked someone more responsible.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
She could have just gone with the dog. So the
dogs are like two and a half pounds and she
was lying on a private.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Plane in the way of her lesbian adventure.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Totally true, I get that. But like classic house party.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Okay, So when we're in Palm Springs, she's talking to Sarah.
They've trained a little bit, they flirt all the way there,
and then Jackie says, Paul McCartney is a client.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
That's what she casually dropped that. She was like, you know,
all my all my clients like Paul McCartney and like Linda,
and I was like no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no no, there's no one after Paul McCartney, and
I was like, you trained Paul McCartney. That was like,
I don't believe it. I don't, I can't, Snoopy, I'm
going to I'm gonna murder you. Sorry, john No, I
want to hold her. Go ahead. She's so good, Johnny
(18:01):
told you. And also was she allowed to say that,
because I feel like Paul McCartney would have been like,
absolutely not. Don't tell people. He was just back in
the day. Like I'm coming at it from a twenty
twenty five perspective of being like, oh my god, what
are the socials gonna say? Like, well, there was none
of that was no social and like there was no
feedback loop of everyone commenting on everything.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
He probably she probably did train him at one point
and then just like I said that, I believe it.
There's a kernel of truth there, but I can't. I
just can't see Paul McCarney showing up to Sky Sporting
Spot and doing like burpies on about.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I Also, let's take Equinox, because that's like an like
it's accessible enough. Jackie's gym does not look that great,
like it does not like have the like the state
of the art equipment. I mean granted I understand it's
two thousand and six, but like, just it's basically the
gym at like it could be my apartment, yes, on
a cruise ship maybe, like yes, hotel, hotel. So I
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was like, is this what I'm paying four hundred dollars for?
Like I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Thaking for the experience. You're paying to see the attention
my trainer is this celebrity in Beverly Hills. Marcy Klein
had an idea once that I still think to this
day is the funniest idea. She wanted to do a
show called Celebrity Trainer. But it's it's the celebrity comes
to you and trains you, like each week it's a newslet.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Like Paul McCarty is going to come and train me.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, tell you his workout.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Anyway, thought was good.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I would love that Sarah and Jackie work out in
Palm Springs and then they have this long ass dinner
they talk about, Yeah, why'd you become a lesbian? Being
a lesbian is not a choice, whatever that.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Stuff, And that was good. That was good conversation.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That was good, And I wonder if Sarah brought that
up or suggested that being gay's a choice because.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
She's considered choosing. She's she thinks Jackie looks good. Yeah,
she literally just chose.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And then and then I turn on Sarah because she
starts to say, well, what would MEMI do if you
kissed another or what would you do if you saw
me me kissing another girl? And she's I could kill
her and I'd kill the other one. Yeah, I loved
that Jackie said that, And then Sarah I was like,
would you find it hot if Mimi had sex with
another girl you watched?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
And I'm like, wait, and I'm like, she's your trainer.
By the way, it's one thing to flirt, and it
was blatant, and if I was Mimi watching that episode,
I would have been pissed. And it's not that Jackie
didn't answer correctly, but Jackie was also leaning into it too,
like she could have been like, hey, that's inappropriate, and
I understand you're not going to say you're client now,
like she is in the service industry.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
In a way, I'm giving into the fantasy of this
show and I'm believing at all. But also in the
back of my mind is I was a reality TV
producer for so long.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, that I know.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
The logline of episode four was Jackie goes to Pump
Springs with a flirtatious client. Jackie, I mean, Mimi gets jealous.
Can Erica hold the fort down? Will Jesse survive the
night and throw a party? Those are the bullet points, right, And.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
We all know he wasn't going to sit quietly at
home with the dogs like he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
They don't script these things out, but they do give up.
You're a story producer saying what do we think could
happen this time?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You're put in a position under which storyline is going
to happen.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
You guide people to, you know, and those are very
fair things to track. But like, definitely, I think Jackie
knowing that, it's like, oh, well, I'm on this trip
with this flirtatious client. I thought they were going to kiss.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I thought at the end of the night, Jackie's putting
her Yeah, Jackie's putting her arm around her. She's like, oh,
I'll walk you to your corridor.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
They get like really really graphic or not graphic, but
also and then she's like she's like, yeah, you'd be
crying in the end, She's like, I wouldn't be crying
She's like, no, you'd be clenching.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
My god, and then never even said that to my fiance.
Episode said clutching, but I heard clenching. I don't think
it would have been clutching. And then I'm like, but
what is either of those? What does either that mean? Also,
like I'm surprised she did that.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
He has a mom and a wife to put on
national TV.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That like know, but back then, Like I know, but
back then you could really you could be on TV
and almost be anonymous back then, right, you can't walk
out on the street and be anonymous anymore. Right now
we have too my feedback going on, And that's like,
honestly what I learned, because I think that Jackie could
exist in that world, especially as a gay woman. Bravo
could exist in that without a million comments right of
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all these hateful things, Like she could kind of dominate
because she didn't have to hear from the Peanut gallery
every two seconds.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
There isn't innocence about the show and the time periods
that time there were no iPhones. You're looking at flip.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Phones, and we could actually enjoy the moment. They're living
their lives and they're for themselves.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It is It's almost like watching a kid and they
don't know that you're watching them and they're doing something
stupid and you're laughing at it. It's like they don't realize.
You know, now, they would sensor all they would.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
They would sense some one hundred and Jackie would never
have flirted in that way so blatantly.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
When Jackie's working out with Sarah Mumsprings, She's like, oh
my god, you can totally see down my pants right now.
I know.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I saw that. I was like, wait, and they turned
the camera angle to like face her directly, and I
was like, was at an edit like they actually saw
her from behind? And then you know, I.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Imagine, oh my god, I can't believe you can totally
see my dick right now.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
What Like, but twenty years ago you could kind of
say that, I mean, would you Is there anything you've
ever done that would be like ikey? I'm sure there
are things that I've said that would have been ikey
back in the days.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'm sure that when people came to watch Wrappins live,
I'd be like nice tits. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I mean, there are definitely moments where I'm like, there's
nothing specific that I mean, women have it a little
bit less, I think because we're considered less predatory, Like
it's just less threatening.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
When you're conditioned to your whole life to be away.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Be small and be and be small like we really
have like how can I fit in this space? And
like as an adult now I really see it, like
I have tried so hard not to take up space.
You know, Katy Perry taught you to take us space,
and then Katie Perry taught me a lot of things.
But yeah, I mean, I'm sure there are things that
I had said that if I was, like if I
(23:53):
was a dude, that wouldn't fly. But at the same time,
I can't tell you. Even in my early days, I
remember doing I'm not going to tell you that. I'll
tell you afterwards. I'm want to tell you the famous guy.
But I was doing and it's not Andy, But I
was working on a game show. I was like helping
the host and we were talking all set or something,
and I was like, oh, yeah, I'm gay talking to
a girl and he's like, what a waste for men?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Well, you know people told me that all my life
and you're like you're like, oh, okay, I thank you.
For like valuing me based on absolute fucking nothing.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
So Jackie and Sarah don't hook up, not that we
know of, but I was shocked that they didn't. And
then we cut to Jesse at Jackie's house.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
The dogs are so cute, you know, they re mind
me of PD.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Me and Jackie have the same type of people always
say you have a type a dog, you have a
type of person you want a date, and a type
of dog that you want to have, And really I
have a type and it's that type, like a small,
short haired little.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Okay, but Snoopy's fitting that category, right. I love all dogs.
And like even with Jackie who's six or five, her
just like picking up her dog. I was like, dude,
just so cute. Yeah, although I would in La thinking
about it now, like they're gonna be eaten by coyotes.
Like I'd never let my dog out. I'd never let
my dog down in a yard ever ever. Ever. In La,
you're pretty safe here by the water, and I live
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in an apartment on a terrace.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Coyotes can't swim. I see them roaming in my neighborhood
sometimes owls. You know, when I lived with Kate French
from word. We we lived on Stanley and we would
walk our dogs and a little baby, cute little coyote
would come down and we would always be like, oh
my god, there's a cute little coyote. And we found
out later that that's how the coyotes system works. They
(25:36):
send the cute little one down to the neighborhoodsco poor
little baby Cuti's back up to the day.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They are that smart to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yes, they it's like a known thing, like they send
the cute, little, adorable, petible coyote down and they just
kind of stand there unassuming, so that your dog will go,
oh a friend, and they going.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Snoopy. We are never you know what's Hollywood, don't ever
go you can eat me. Yeah. See look how tiny
snoopy looks in your arms?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Okay, really quick side note. Do you know the story
of Lena Dunham and her dog Lammy. She adopted a
dog and they have Snoopy is away cute.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah you better say that, you better be comparing. Oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
But then she gave she gave Lammy back because it's
it's like she couldn't train it or it was.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Oh yes, she get and then she got ship on
and dreamed apart because she was like, my dog's are red.
That's the thing. If you're gonna be loud about what
you're doing to be a good person, and then you
reverse that you do with you what do you say? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:40):
We do?
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Do you let her lick your mouth? Sometimes?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
I do?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
I'm sorry, but like people.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Say, it's a white people thing too, like people they
probably do one person to let your dogs sleep in.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
You see that that dog's mouths are cleaner than any
other like type of thing. Oh so we want like
we bathe her regularly. We always wash her paws. I
wipe her buttthole like she's taken care of. I.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Even if Pete doesn't get clean, I let him French.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
She gets really jealous. If Nadine and I are kissing,
she gets in and she wants to kiss. She's a
little Jackie in that way.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
This show has turned me into a lesbian, thank.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
God, because we were like waiting for you to come around,
because like, you are a big well I always so
lesbians love you. You're a lesbian magnam in Indigo Girls
were my first band. Oh speaking of lesbians, Oh my god,
my lesbian's coming down. Speaking of a jack Like I'm
saying this right now, I think Nadine not Yes, did
you have Jackie as a trainer? Yes? Okay, so my
(27:35):
fiance got trained by Jackie. You gotta get on the
mic now to just like say it, because.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
We've been waiting to recruit you to lesbian for a while.
You are lesbian, Maggie, always have lesbian friends. That's why
I was personally offended that you hadn't seen il word,
because I was like, John, this seems like something you
would have watched in real time, because I feel like
you've always.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Later look case in point this show, and like, I
think it's perfect timing because when I would have watched
it back then, I wouldn't have appreciated it like I.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Would like you probably would have been like, I didn't
watch how about this?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I didn't watch.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
You're gonna Watchquar's Phone now.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I didn't watch any of this ship. I was busy.
It was busy.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Oh you were see Oh you were busy being the
fende and all that stuff. Okay, I will say for
all John Hill fans out there, John Hill was there
when I went through a really hard time with one
of my exes very very very very very difficult times.
Something terrible happened to me and John Hill and Andy,
but John specifically because John went through something similar. Uh,
(28:37):
you just say, I went into Dandy's office and you
just hugged me, and it was like the best hug
I've ever received and I can still recall it. So, lesbians,
you're on. You're in our group. Yeah, you know, and
it's hard for a game and to like break that barrier,
but like you're one of us.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Girl, Okay, speed round?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Lesbian quiz In drywall construction, what does mudding refer to?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Oh my god, we're going right? Instrument mudding and drywall
construction means multiple choice?
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Yeah, painting over drywall. Smoothing tape seems with joint compound,
laying down moisture barriers or removing old sheet rock? Mudding?
What does it refer to?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
And as you see moisture barriers? Wrong, you're straight? Correct answer.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Smoothing tape seems with joint compound.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Okay, should have known. Uh, these will be easier.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Lesbian meme culture often jokes that early signs she's gay
include an intense childhood obsession with which animated.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Movie which animated movie.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Mulan, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, or Finding Nemo.
Oh my god, I didn't know this.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I have absolutely no idea finding Nemo Mulan I've never
seen so yeah, that's why I was like, oh, maybe,
oh you're losing.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Wow, that's like the whole ratitude thing. Have you heard
about that, the gay guys putting on ratitude to hook up?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
It has been that's what gay men put on their
TV to hook it. It happened to me.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Once you guys are ready to go at.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Any given time, do you need a fucking animated rat
to like encourage the penie move?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Like?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I don't understand, like you guys are ready to go?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
I honestly do not understand it. I just know that
it happened to me in the wild Ones.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yes, And did you say at the Tower Hotel? And
did you say? Sure? Why are we putting on ratitude?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I laughed at him and he didn't really register.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
He didn't think that was like weird. Did gratitude like
get you in the moon?
Speaker 1 (30:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
But the guy I just have to know, he was
in a cratchuwi aide he was.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
He was kind of a loser. Oh, well, and he
kind of like passed out during Oh.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
That's nice sex. The gratitude wasn't doing it.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
For him, so he passed out, and I was like,
how do I get the fuck out of here?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And I just watched the rest of RATEGORY and I
was like, wait, this is really good. I was like,
I'm not gonna leave like we rented it. I'm gonna okay,
I'll cut this out.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
But it's the guy who designed Wow, which looks stupid.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Why aren't you writing a book?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Maybe I will? What specific piece of outdoor equipment do
many lesbians jokingly consider a love language to own or share? Poddleboard, hatchet, camp, stover.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Hammock hammock, Yes, okay, thank god?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
What brand of rugged sandals is considered lesbian footwear even
if you don't camp Birkenstock, Crocs, Tiva or.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Choco Birkenstock obviously, but I mean Tiva too is up there? Yeah?
Tiva is up there because Birkanstock is like cute and cool.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Now, name one super room model besides the outback commonly
bought by lesbians.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I don't know, Forester cross track, Oh okay, the fact
that you know what it haven't seen Elbert like, it's
insulting to you. You're gayer than me.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
What tool is used to check if a wall is
vertically straight? What?
Speaker 2 (31:57):
What? Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
What what do you use to check if a wall
is vertically Oh?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
You use a What the hell is it? I have
one A level, A level, A level. Thank you? So
I couldn't think of that. I was like, I know
I have. It has a little liquid in it. Okay,
one more. I'm glad that lesbian doesn't have to do
with hanging shit. By the way, I wouldn't fucking mulan.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Great which pop stars famously said, I'm not a lesbian,
but my girlfriend is Lady Gaga pink or Miley.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Cyrus pink or Pink Pink Pink.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
What year to Ellen Ellen come out both on her
sitcoment in real life?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Oh, she came out on her sidcome in the nineties,
ninety six, close ninety seven, and then she didn't work
for three years, famously didn't work for three years. She
got canceled twice. I'm sorry, I'm not a I'm not
a I'm not a Ellen hating lesbian. I'm not. I
give it up to her. I think if she was
a dude, no one would have said anything. That's my
(32:55):
personal opinion. I really don't think. I think she got
canceled twice for ye know. I mean, like anyone can
be a bitch at any given day. You think it's
like she's I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Go a daily hour long talk show with a million.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
People and you're just ad revenue and you're just a product,
and it's just like it's a grind and like she
should never have done the be kind thing because then
everyone always expects you to be be kind, like it
sets you up, like no one can be kind all
the time. But like, I don't know, I give it
up to her, like she lost her job for the culture,
Well this is.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Your moment during carr final thoughts on episode for.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
It made me want to continue the season. I wanted
to see what happened with Mimi and Jackie, even though
I know that they break up. It made me want
to watch with my fiance because I was like, what
were you doing at that time that she hang with me?
She was hanging out, she was hanging out with John,
she was out, she was in La Gay and I
was a baby, and like figuring out It made me
want to watch with her, just like the Outfits alone,
(33:53):
and now that I'm in LA I feel connected. Yeah,
I feel I feel like I'm part of it now,
So yeah, I kind of I want to do that. Wow. Yeah,
thank you so much. Thanks for working me out too, Okay,
love you, I love you.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Thank you for joining us for this very special, emotional
episode of Show Pony, a relentless look at the shows
that shape us. I'm your host, John Hill. Show Pony
is created and produced by me and funded by you
members of the Patreon and also by Recess Sparkling Water,
infused with New Tropics and HEMP. Get engaged, like, subscribe, comment,
(34:31):
do all the shit, get your head in the game,
and join us. There's only two more episodes left in
season one of Workout, so we're ramping up to the
big finale.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Stay with us.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
I'll see you next time.
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