It’s the Workout Season 1 finale, and everything goes off the rails. Jackie Warner was scheduled to appear on the podcast. Instead, she sent a shocking text (which we reenact in full). Then a parade outside destroyed our audio setup. Somehow, John Hill and Eric Maxwell powered through—spiraling live, trying to recap the finale and stay emotionally upright. Enter Broadway star and Bravo legend Natalie Joy Johnson, who shows up to deliver JOVANI realness and dish on borrowing dresses from Countess Luann herself. Together, we try to make sense of the season's end—and the glorious mess it took to get here. Follow @johnhilljohnhill + @njjisrelentless + @elephanteric
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Workout as a show about Jackie Warner, a trainer in
LA I had a.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Vision of a gem high in the sky, different from
anything anybody had ever seen before.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
But what happened to Jackie Warner when I started this podcast,
I have no idea where it would be me. I
don't want democracy to end precy. What happens to Sky
important spa. My entire world is changing.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Two years ago, when I filmed this incredible rooftop space,
I transformed it into an elite penthouse gym called sky
Sport and spam. I knew as soon as made me
ask the question would you come to our ceremony? What
my mother will said, there's always a discomfort level mixing
gay people with Christians.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Do you think there was for the cameras or do
you think they were? I think that's Jackie. I think
it's stretched.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I think that's how women gay women.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I think she gained power with that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'm not blaming her. I did the same thing.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Stop its she bit me so hard it physically hurts
so much. Talking about Jackie Warner's show Workout, your guest
very casually said how much Jackie Warner hated me?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
And I was like, really, wanting to dig into that
and now. And then I had John text his guest
to say, why did you why did she hate Andy?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
And the guest is now totally backing down from that.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Claim or the series. And then six, I want to
get Jackie on here. Do you think I can? I
think she's gettable.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I make a video that.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Says the mic does not belong in the me out pocket?
Do you hear how loud it is? Okay, So what
has happened is I was supposed to interview my friend Natalie.
She watched the finale, she was on her way down here.
We get here. I don't know if it's reading through
the mics, but there's a parade outside and the audio
(01:54):
would be so mess up. I'll show some footage of
it right now, right now, Okay, now we're back.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Are you recording?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah? Eric was just hanging out here. You came over
to play with my meal pocket for a while. I
didn't want to see.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Your me pocket and I was not disappointed.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Meot pocket for the I really hope this is coming
through the audio opiso. I didn't know what to do
for the wait, okay, just to set the scene a
little bit more, Eric's over here hanging out, playing with
my meal pocket. More on that in a second. Natalie
(02:42):
was supposed to come here and we were supposed to
do episode six of Workout Season one finale episode lots
of pressure, and she was just going to do like
a quickie recap of the plot of this episode. And
then tomorrow Jackie Warner was supposed to be interviewed. I
was bomb dropped. Yeah, like so like tonight was going
to be spent editing me and Natalie. I was just
gonna make a template for the rest of the episode,
(03:02):
and then Slot Jackie's interview in quickly no edits upload
it Sunday night, Monday morning, because I can't say something
about a slot right, all of you are waiting with
bated breath. Yes, you can't say something of us. It's
a lot of slot. The moment has passed. But I
was gonna we get it. So we were just at
a event and I got a text from Jackie saying,
(03:22):
like you can paraphrase, do you want to put a
wig on? And you read it? Do you have a wig? Yeah?
Is this an invasion of her privacy? No, it's a recreation, Jackie.
If you're watching this, it's with love. Okay, you look
Jerry a little bus cheers mind an open mind. Eric
(03:44):
will read the text that I just got from Jackie
Warner in preparation for her appearance on this show tomorrow.
Go good morning.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So I took work off yesterday and today because I
have a full on flu which I caught for my
hairdresser in bed.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Fever, aches, no sleep.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
So if you have a creative way to push interview
to another day, that would be helpful, Like maybe tease
hard on Monday. Say I have the flu and we
do upcoming week. I would rally, but my personality is
so flat right?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Which? Now?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Is there an alternative? I can also text you tomorrow
am in case I feel better. Sorry, I'm really looking forward.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
To this XJ. What did I say back?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Should I take the weg off to say that do
not worry about it. We can do today. Do it
when you're feeling better. I'll do it as a bonus episode,
which might even work better.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
All good?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So sorry you're sick, sad face.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Wait, so you're saying I said grammatically incorrect run on sentence. Yeah,
do not worry about it. We can today, do it
when you're feeling better. I meant totally do it when
you're feeling bad. Oh my god, I'm so embarrassed. This
is dementia at work. Okay, now what does she say?
I have to put it back on? Okay, hold on?
Oh great?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
IM never get six. So I'm pretty grumpy about it.
Will you let me know about when you'd like to
do it? Thanks so much. I think it was gonna
be a smiling but it's one parenthese.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay, so we both have dementia. Okay, Now what did
I say about baby makes three?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I will make time for you whenever you're better. I'll
be out of town most of next week, but maybe
next weekend or this Monday evening if you feel amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
How do you think I'm doing communicating? Pretty good? Okay?
That was great.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Ruin my hair for that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Outer Critics Circle Award for you. So what you've missed
in this season? Eric, Mimi and Jackie have a fight. Jackie,
jack I guess I'm gonna tell you I don't care
anything I'm telling me. I'm not interested in. The editing
(05:56):
is kind of everything.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Fare.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
When I was two through my first class.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Trainers, she humiliated me in front of my staff and
my friends.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
How much do I have to put up with?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I'm done. It's over. I'm finished with this relationship. I'm
finished with Mimi. I want to move up and not
continue chasing my tail in this dramatic ridiculousness.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Anyway, I.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Told you.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
We haven't choked and punched all week. Okay, then this
is this. This is the season one wrap up, So
basically I'll just fast forward through you. A new day
is dawning. Six weeks later. She's broken up with me.
She's hugging her dog, she's got that haircut, black and
white recap of the relationship of her and Mimi rolling
around in bed. She's wearing that eponine hat is so long.
(06:49):
Getting out of that really a little follering on. Now
she's back on our Harley.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I know that you have to be a certain type
of person to date me. I'm controlling, I have a
strong on ego, and I'm flirtatious. I like my sexual power.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I kid apologize for those things. So she's back
on her Harley. She goes to the gym by a
twenty six year old girl. She's not being waid on
by a twenty six year old emuse. Twenty six I
know ten years younger. Okay, now this is interesting. The
first thing we see in this there's one minute left
in the episode. What you just saw at that club
(07:28):
was Rebecca watching this and saying, wow, watching their toxic
relationship is so busted if and we know that she
later falls in love with Rebecca in the next season,
And the first thing we see is Rebecca walking in
with hugging her. Oh, you guys broke up. That's yad.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Now I can really take the energy that was being
drained from the relationship, drained and expand, expand.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Now Sky's the limit for me.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Sky's the limit. It's a pun of sky sport. That
could have been the title of the show. Show what'd
you think of the finale? The last five minutes, The
last five minutes Jackie getting punched and choked and slapped
and bit and call that Tuesday lesbian chaos. Okay, well,
wish me luck when I finally do interview Jackie, and
I guess hopefully when this parade passes by. Natalie, the
(08:19):
parade passes by, we gotta go bye. I have to
go booth this recess.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
She's lending me her Giovanni dresses.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
And also how do I fit into Countess Luandela Septs
Giovanni dress?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So do we just hold it like this the whole time?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Sorry, No, it's fine. I just want to know what
we have to do. No, this is hilarious and I
love it.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Okay, first of all, are we recording already? We are recording?
Oh sorry, Natalie Joy Johnson, welcome to show, pony.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Ah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
No. First of all, you were just telling me that
you inherited some Countess luand Giovanni dresses.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well they're just currently on loan and honestly, like if.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
She wants some back, well look.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
There, I mean, look, this was her opening opening gown
for all of her shows for many years. So like,
I just can't even believe I'm getting to wear them.
I'm just like I've already the worst case scenario in
my head, like, oh my god, like what happens if
it gets like I will not I will not check
that baggage that will be on my person at all times,
(09:29):
you know what I mean, And it will get dry
cleaned and all of that stuff. But oh my god'
on the plane with it as an imask one million percent?
Like actually, could just I mean the one they're both
Giovanni's obviously, and the one is so beaded for life
that I could just actually lay it on me as
a weighted blanket, which would be great for the flight.
So there we go.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That's nice. I mean, at this point, your cabaret colleagues,
Nataliejeory Johnson, a cabaret superstar, I would say.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I really can't believe it. I really, colleagu Patriots, I
really can't. I mean, like, we share the same musical director,
so it is true. We are sisters see the Skin
of Ryan Ash.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, shout out to Brian who's also sometimes my musical director.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, we're all sisters of the skin.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You know what I love is that you've come to
this show kind of giving like a reinvention of Jackie Warner's.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I'm not gonna lie. Look when I was watching it
in the rewatch and the shortness of the hair, just
the fact that I constantly play lesbians, you know, both
on stage and occasionally off. You know, there's I can't
not see. I can't not see a comparison. And I also, yeah,
I can't also not go back to the time that
(10:39):
I watched that show when it was like on you
did watch of course was early Bravo. Also, I'm wondering,
how did you come to it because you've gone deep
obviously I've done my own show Pony, Yeah, research, and
you've gone in a deep dive. So how did that
all kind of what was your tipping point where you're like,
let me do well.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I was going to do Tabitha.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I was going to do I'm Tabitha. I mean, I'm
tyking Ova and.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
By the way, I will eventually do Oh you have to.
And I said that to my friend Elizabeth and she
was like, no, She's like, start with workout, and there
was something about the way she said it. I was like,
and I had never seen work I'd seen every episode
of Tabitha, so I was like, maybe I'll watch something
that I've never seen. But I didn't scrowl about because
I was producing reality TV in LA in two thousand
and six. I was there. I knew people who knew her,
friends of mine would be like, oh, Jackie Warners at
(11:28):
the Abbey whatever. But I never watched the actual show,
and I wanted to kind of travel back to that
time in my life in LA which it is a
trip to watch.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Oh, I bet. And it's also like the perfect way
in because it's like six episodes to start. You're like, boom,
are you doing the other seasons?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I think yes, because then it'll be this show Pony season.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You can ride her to the end.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah. And so I'm in talks with Jackie. So the
reason you're here today right now, yesterday there was a parade.
It ruined my plans for.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
We were supposed to do this yesterday. But it was literally.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It was so crazy crazy it sounded like it was
in the apartment.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I literally listened to your previous episode with the blind
date Loved and literally a siren went by and I
was like, girl, if that was the parade that siren
was So that was one siren and it was loud.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
So I edited in a little bit of the footage
into this what you're watching right now. You'll be able
to hear it and you will be shocked. It sounded
like it was in I don't even know what kind
of pred it was. Anyway back to this for us,
I was gonna say I saw a play last night,
or I saw twnights ago. The last membo of the Apocalypse,
which you should see, is really good. You could be
in it. Actually, wow, you should be. And it's all
about two thousand and six, and this like pop culture
(12:36):
moment that happens there and all the kids were dying laughing,
and I was laughing because I loved it. But I
was like, oh, this is for me. Two thousand and
six is so fresh in my memory that it's like, oh,
that was that was just the other day.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
My date was nine. I know, hilarious. Huh hilarious.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That is a siren. We were all for it when
I first into this farm and he was like, it's
very loud. I'm like, I'm not going to care, and
I don't care, but that is loud.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
But the listeners might the listeners and watchers. That's right.
Wait a second, So two thousand and six remind me
because I don't remember, and I don't know if you
know this, but I kind of feel.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Like you do.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
What year did OC start? So OC had already been happening, right,
like I think.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It is six, maybe oh five.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Okay, right around the same time. One thing that I
was struck with while revisiting sky Sport was how tragic
the lighting was. The lighting is so fucking bad.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
It looks brown.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
It is, so I'm like, yeah, this does not look
like a hot place to work out. Actually, it looks
like you need to clean a lens and throw a
light on it.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Now.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Look, people didn't have ring lights everywhere. People weren't Kyle.
Weren't Kyle putting full lighting up in her kitchen, right,
doesn't Kyle have lights in her house?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm sure there was no There were flip phones. Correct,
the cameras they use, the cameras they used to shoot
this show, I also used to use. They're not They're
not like HD. You I remember HD kind of like
got invented around this time. It's like, ooh, HD, everything's
moving into but like it was SD standard. This ship
(14:16):
is so standard it's grainy.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, but even still they did manage. They found their
light every now and then, like they found the hero
shots of Jackie on the roof at Sunset Magic.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Outside use she has that outside space, which is great,
but like all of that indoor shit is so poorly
lit sadly.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Back in the day, like sky Sports and probably we've
been talking about this, like it looks it's just like
it looks like a hotel too. It's just no offense. Jackie,
we love you, but like.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
But also cutting edge at the time, I'm sure and
like you know, having like it be private and like
pitchlsei and all of that.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Wait, just to circle back to what we were saying
here today, because Jackie and I were supposed to be interviewed.
I was nerving her today and she got the flu.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
So we are sending you well wishes, get better, feel better, queen,
because we need to touch down with you.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, and so it is so curious. It all worked
out great because she and I will I'll do it
as a bonus episode or something. It'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And also, thank god you are done with Mimi. Oh
I can't. I mean, even though they're not totally done.
I love when she was like, you know that whole
adage about lesbians being together for like two months and
breaking up for fourteen years. I'm like, that's hysterical. Also,
Mimi was like twenty four twenty six, right, and they
(15:41):
started dating when she was like twenty two, right, And
so when I realized that also, because I don't think
I clocked that until like, I don't think I clocked
that episode one. I think I clocked it like five
where I was like, well, no, wonder. Also, you're like
solidly ten years older than her, and she's a crazy mess.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Not to jump around, but I feel like one note
about Jackie is that if I were me me, I
would be angry that my girlfriend went on three dates
on television as well. Sure, and if I'm Jackie this
and whatever hindsight is twenty twenty, everyone's relationship is its
own thing. They were, and I'm so glad the drama
(16:21):
was there. It was very exciting to watch, but like, sure,
if you're looking at who's more in the wrong, Like
Jackie was like, well, I don't feel supported by you,
and that's horrible, and it's like, okay, but in the
grand scheme of who's doing worst shit cheating on she
fucked a girl in l Coyote.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I listened to that on the Blind Daid episode and
I was like, well, I mean, I have sucked a
dick in Ariba Rebet, But did you have.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
A boyfriend at the time. No?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
See no, And my metro card got stolen out of
like my bag while I was in the bathroom. Yeah,
to deal with that. I think that was also circa
two thousand and six, so ah, and I was like, well,
how am I gonna get home?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah? How did you?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Honey? I had a mama and I figured it out.
You know what I'm saying. I had a mama, Margarita,
and I got my ass home.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So you really have me Listen. I love the Jackie
head sex with that girl in the bathroom and there's
no lock on that door.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Honey, that's probably part of the of you, I know,
are we gonna get caught?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I mean means the beginning of this. Let's just go
through the bullet points. Let's do the beginning. The episode
starts with the fallout of Mimi biting Jackie. The whole
biting thing.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, it's too much, too much.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Jackie says, it cost her to a breakout into a
breakdown in tears. It hurts so by the physical pain
of the bite hurts, so better break down in tears,
and Mimi has.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And of course Mamie is like twenty six at the time.
She's being just like young and insane. Yeah, I mean,
weren't we all young and insane?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yes, but Jackie is like, I'm trying to be a
grown up.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
The big one of the so like one of the
main stories of the episode, I would say, so it's
mem and Jackie's relationship is the kind of a story.
But the b story, the through line is that she
has a new fashion line called Lift. That's right, and
I'm gonna put up some photos in here. So there's
like it's very like burr lap canvas rugged like Journeys
that store Journeys kind of fashion or like Buckle.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Remember back in the day, I mean, I love Journeys
because I love honestly, their's shoe selection too. To this day,
I will go and buy a shoe, like a really
cute pair of vans. They'll have them or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Well, maybe you should buy some items from Lyft.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
If it was still available. I mean maybe I would
be interested. She's like that, Wait, this is the same
fashion show where what's her name?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Zen?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I was gonna say, Fern rips the shirt off? Yeah yeah, yeah,
that wasn't the fashion line though the shirts on top
or were they also in the line.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
So at the end of the episode, they have my
question really.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Quick day to night about working out. Also, are you
going to like, I know, I want to wear that
sweaty sweaty like two shows, you're gonna wear that like
bra top as a top when it's just been sweated in.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Okay, but think about it now, maybe if you're a trainer.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Maybe if you're a trainer and you're not like working
out the whole day so you're lightly sweated in.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Maybe she meant what she was getting at is it
works for both like working out and going.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Maybe it could be like you're going on a hike
and you're wearing it looking hot on the hike, but
then you're going and have drinks after. Is that like
a thing?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I don't think she literally means wear it to work
out and then go to a club. I think she
means the style is so cool you could either wear
it to the gym and then you wash it and
then like you wear it another time out of the club.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Okay, but I kind of like the I kind of
like the active outside to like drinks outside.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
If you feel like that she was ahead of her time,
because what happened.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
That every time ahead of a time? Go go go
jack You know what they say, work out a jackie.
You're making some day. Shout out of Jackie. You're doing fine,
you and your lift. We're ahead of your time. Go
go go go.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Ah, sorry tu, because what happened after this was ath
leisure and we all are wearing shit you can kind
of wear to the brunch and kind of where to
the gym, So I think she was right on them.
She was also right about boot camp being the way
of the future. She was right, and so she's Yeah,
(20:35):
she interviews with this lady who comes in like at leisure.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
See, now that you say it that way, I totally
get it, which essentially is you can wear it on
the hike and then wear it.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
To and we're both wearing it now.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, way to go, Jackie. I really
can't wait for you to connect with her. Well, how excited.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
If you have any questions, text me them because I'll wait.
I'm trying to pull together the best things to ask
her because my questions are kind of like, how big
was Doug's dick? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Rip, Doug Rip, that's so sad.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Also, Natalie, I don't know who it is, but another
trainer passes away and I don't know who it is, Yeah,
but I know they're like two trainers die.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
In the course of the series.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't know which one.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Wait, oh wait, Doug died during the series. Yeah, I
don't remember that. I don't remember that, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
In season two and you know that Rebecca and Jackie
become girlfriends. No, okay, So back to this episode, the whole.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Party, and I want all of the Julian Michaels. I
want everything, so I can't I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
You should listen to see episode three of this show,
and when we talk all about Julian Michaels, that's all
in there. You know they started skysporting spot together, and
you know that Jackie gave biggest Loser Jillian's name. They're like,
She's like, you should have to you should have Jillian.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Go, go, go go.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Jillian is on my shit list for the things that
she says on the internet these days.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Wow, woof, woof.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, she does not like she wants to keep that
tea out of LGBT. Let's just say that she is
not a friend of us.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I don't understand that. But that's a podcast another time.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
But like the whole time, So Mimi and Jackie are
breaking up. It's reaching this crescendo at the fashion show
where Zen's ripping her tits and Rebecca. We haven't seen
Rebecca for four episodes. She's in episode one, Episode two,
and then she kind of disappears into this is Rebecca,
like the one who's too horny all the time? Dat
(22:34):
did you die when Jody Wattley, Jody Walling is all
over this ship.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Jody fucking Wattly, God bless her.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I mean, what is Jody Wattley's song I Feel for
You or true love?
Speaker 5 (22:45):
I'm looking for something like I'm looking for a new
love love Yay, yay, yay, looking for.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
And it's so good, such a bop. Jody Wattley, she
was the voice of a time, Honey, she definitely was,
and she was like a face of MTV.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, Jody Wattley so so hot. Rebecca shows her dick
pic that's Jody Wattle.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, the one that was over sexualized.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So they become girlfriends, well, of course they do, because
Rebecca was like had her eye on that prize since
day one.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And at the end of the episode, Jackie's like, we're
finally broken up, me and Mi me, And the first
person you see when she walks into sky Sporting Spot
is Rebecca like giving her a huge hug, like yay,
we're so happy, You're happy now, and like, I don't
know where they were in their flirtation or whatever, but
just the foreshadowing that they're going to.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Become love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
So now I do want to watch season two. There's
a success story Elena who's getting the breast reduction. Yeah,
her back doesn't hurt more thanks to Erica who's been
helping her work out.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
And that's the one whose boyfriend comes in surprise surprises her.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah. So now why do you think Elena first of all,
cut the Courtney Cox scream two bangs. She did some
bangs in this episode.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
She do like bang work in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I think she had banged the bathroom. And why she
suddenly in glam now and it's for the revealed. I
think they were like, okay, give yourself some like glamor.
And then the boyfriend called.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
On Who's to say that? I mean, do you think
they had a makeup person there doing that for her?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
No? Probably not at that time. I don't think they did.
Jackie's on the phone, and this is when she's like,
if anyone has a right to be mad, it's me.
But it's like you did just cheat on her? But whatever.
Then she goes to a bar called Horse to play
pool with her best friend, and then they go back
to the fashion line and Jackie's sketching, which I thought
(24:36):
was cute. Do you think that was I mean, Jackie's
like sketching fashion I didn't. I didn't know if that
was like placed there or if I bought it, Like
does she draw? That's a question I'll ask her.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Right, yeah. Yeah. Also, just really quickly, this is such
a this is such a random thought. But I recently
went down a little bit of a rabbit hole because
I was talking about fashion plates too.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I used to love fashion plates. My sister had them,
and you it's like when you go to a gravestone and.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
You etch it and then you can use the other
side because it had the patterns on the other side
if you want to get texture to that denim skirt
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I loved fashion plates and I loved shrinky.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Inks, shrinkys then put it in and then that smurf
is actually smurf sized when it comes out. I fucking
loved a shrinkydk, which I'm sure we could find on
like eBay.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
You know, I'm sure, Oh my god, let's do shrinky
dings and also fashion plates. Because I looked that up.
I was like that is actually like a toy I
would want now to play with as fashion plates.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
People have adult coloring books like Shrinky Dinks and fucking
fashion plates.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Anyway, So maybe when you ask her if she drew,
ask her if she ever played with fashion plates.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
She goes and gets a haircut.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
We're shrinky Inks?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Did you ever play with shrinky Inks? She gets a
haircut from Jonathan Anton?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Oh, I loved that.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I never watched blowout either.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Oh, I think I watched a little bit of blowout.
I don't quite remember. That is as much as has work.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Out, but I go out workout now of course.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Like being the daughter of a hairdresser and spending my
entire like just life growing up in a salon, I
just always love a little peak behind that curtain. But
he was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
He also I remember him looking so in my mind's
eye back then, I was like, woof that guy, like
it really has a face going. But in this episode,
I thought he was so handsome and looked great.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
So handsome. We're also used now to insane faces. I'm like, okay,
maybe we all look like we're used to insane faces.
And he actually pretty had Like what did you think
was insane about his face. Before that it was like
too much work done, or yes.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It looked a little like something, but in this episode
it looks fine.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, well babe a SD first of all, not.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
HD and B not like and also twenty years ago, exactly,
I'm letting all my boatoks wear off. It's almost all gone,
model walks. Zen is nervous. So Zen in the last
episode felt fat and depressed. So now she's back in
her because she lost five pounds. That's the other thing.
Like back then, the discussion of weight was so still
kind of disordered. We hadn't learned that it's not healthy
(27:08):
to say congratulations, you lost ten pounds.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, as somebody who has just lost like, let's say,
thirty eight pounds. Dam off of we govie. Okay. It's
very interesting and weird now to be walking through the
world in a body that like, nobody, none of my friends,
none of my family.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Has ever seen No they said that that like people
got mean, but I hope not.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I hope not. But it is also very interesting because
I still do hear people be like, oh my god,
you look amazing, and I can't help but in my
mind be like, yeah, because I just fucking lost thirty
eight pounds.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
The difference is they're not saying you look amazing because
you're skinny. You just look like tight and right. If
you got skinny, they're not not right. I had such
disordered eating and body shoes for so long, still do.
But when I learned that like working out, I was
working out so much and torturing myself and not eating
(28:10):
properly that I was making no progress. And because I
thought if I eat something bad, I have to work
out like crazy to burn it off, or I have
to work out really hard on Thanksgiving Day so I
can eat all day, and it doesn't. Once I realize
it all kind of works together. You strength train smartly,
then you don't have to do it seven days a week.
You don't have Once I realized that stuff, the goals
(28:33):
kind of changed. And when I realized that being nicer
and kinder to yourself really is how you make the
most processed and sleeping more and look at the whole thing,
I got healthier. Yeah. And also, when we're attracted to someone,
we're not attracted to them being only small. We're attracted
to them looking healthy and vibrant and young. The thing
(28:55):
is we can do whatever we want from here on out,
but like we will never look, will never have that youthful.
Even if someone doesn't have your like beautiful jeans but
they're twenty, there's something that's like, well, and it's.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
So interesting because obviously now I just see it in
such a different way when you're on the train and
there is literally a girl that is twenty years old
and you're just like, oh, hey, that skin is just
a skin poppin for days. Yeah, you are giving me
like plump colla jem that you know.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
That's why I use the mask to pump the collegeen
and I did a Morpheus a laser. Anyway, back to
the episode, they have their Jody Wattley event kind of
uneventful but gay for Jody, she looks great. She's also
one that she's like, I want to lose ten pounds
before my thing. I do want to be a lesbian
at some point in my life. Because there was something
so cool about seeing Jackie and Mimi who are about
to break up, but they're at home and they're like
(29:49):
doing their makeup before they go out, and it was like,
is this what lesbians do? They're just like beating their
face and like putting lipstick on and just like they're
both in the mirror like ah yeah her, and it's like,
I just gay guys. I guess they do the same thing.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I was going to say, I guess every couple. I
guess every couple does, but get ready together, specifically.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Girls in their makeup in the mirror, like.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
You're just putting on like a tinted guys are.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Doing a quick They're not like conjuring and shadowing and highlighting,
but like they were, they were really doing it well.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
And they were doing two thousand and six makeup also, and.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
They were on TV. Mimi says, She's like, I want
to see actions, not just words, and she's right, Jackie's
been cheating. I mean, takes her tits out.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
How would Jackie feel if Mimi had been dating anybody?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Exactly? Her head would explode exactly. It was a lot
of games and like, again, no judgment, I have played
all the games. And then she slaps her on the
face and even though it was a play she meant it.
I think is a playful step. And she slap and
she's drunk. Don't ever slap a face. If anyone were
(30:57):
to touch my face, I call the cop like it
would be done. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And this is also after like history of like biting
and all. It's not cute.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Jackie says. She's like I've been pinched and choked and
punched all week.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, girl, get out, get leave. Yeah, neither of you
are happy in this situation.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I hate that kind of person who does something like that,
like slaps the little face and its like oh whatever,
which is like a no, no, no, don't It doesn't
matter how hard it is. Don't ever slap a face.
Going up in a house with sisters only and a mom,
it was very much like any like anything rough could
end up with someone like getting hurt, so like I
(31:37):
don't ever lay hands.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, it's not the answer. Violence is not the answer.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
That's why I have so much rate. Maybe I should
try to like punch a pillow she slaps, and then
Mimi throws a drink, which is like now become reality
show currency. I mean, that's really I wonder if they
were who was the first person to throw a drink
on TV? You should find that out. Yah, wonder the
first person was in reality TV?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Because now, I mean, it is the moment we all
think of a drink, we all think of Amsterdam, Kim Richards, Lisa, Rinna,
There's there's there are those moments.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
We did it on the A List Dallas. Which one
was that show? The A List?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
But who did it? James threw a drink on maybe
Levi or Taylor, I don't remember. We were on a
roof and I was wearing hot pink shoes and the
camera pans out because a fight breaks out and I'm
holding one of them back in my pink ugly outlet
malls are on Bilo's Dallas for posterity.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
We love to see it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And then we followed James around after throwing the drink.
They were they had been up all night. We shot
them at a gay bar the night before we were
in Austin. It was brunch. It was bottomless moment.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
They were just so like and by bottomless we mean
bottom bottoms.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Anyways, throwing a drink and then hold.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
On again like ahead of their time. They really were
just popping all.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Of these Reacheckie is such a star. Absolutely, the voice,
the look, even her responses to things is very much
like aspirational, like I want to be the person, even
though she's doing messy things in her relationship at work,
she's doing, she's saying the things you want a boss
to say. She's like measured, she's fair with her mom.
She's not a bitch to her mom. She's like, Wow,
you don't support my lifestyle, but out of respect, sure
(33:28):
come visit.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, I mean that. Really. Relationship is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
And I love that they put it on TV. It
was so long ago we were only having the conversation.
I'm glad they put it out there. And then they
break up officially. Then we have a six weeks later
and then she's like, my life has gotten great, and
then we have kind of a super tease for what
will be season two, I guess, and she's on the
roof and she's like, Sky's the limit. I was thinking
because it's a pun, but I was thinking maybe it
(33:54):
should have been Sky's not the limit because she can
have a clothing line, and that's right. Anyway, Okay, do
you want to do a little lesbian quiz? Yes? Okay,
you may not know any of these well, but we'll
just process it together. What year to the L word premiere?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I have no idea two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I'll give you a hint. We were working together thousand
and four. Yeah, which longtime A List actress played a
lesbian nun and a lesbian housewife within five years? Say
it again, which longtime A list actress played a lesbian
nun and a lesbian housewife within five years?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I have no idea, katee oh oh.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Who's the most googled lesbian couple of the last decade?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Why did Ellen de generous?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
That's correct?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, good, good, good?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I mean now, I would hope it would be Kristen
Stewart and her cute wife. How many Grammy Awards has
lesbian legend Katie Lang? One? Three, four gs? What car brand?
What car brand has the strongest? Correct? According to you gov?
What percentage of lesbians reported using power tools within the
(35:04):
past year sixty six? How many cats does the.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Average sixty six actually like? Make it makes much more sense.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
How many cats does the average lesbian own?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Cats are bussies? I want to say three, but I
think that's wrong, so I'm going to go with two
one point four? All right?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Uh? What's the average age a lesbian realizes she's gay?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Twenty nine?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Nineteen?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Oh, I was just in that life lesbian trope.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
What's the average age she tells someone twenty six twenty one. Damn?
What percentage of lesbian porn viewed by women stars performers
who are actually straight?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I don't know. That's tough because I think the women
want to actually see women that enjoy it and that
aren't just like But that's also maybe just me is
like my confirmation bias, right right, because I'm going to
want to watch I'm an amateur girl. I want to
actually watch people that are like having fun so much better. So,
(36:10):
but I don't know what. So now, with that in mind,
I want to say, like, only like maybe thirty percent
of those gals are watching it, but it's probably more.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's ninety nine. What's the average number of sexual partners
lesbian's report over a lifetime?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Oh, that's an interesting question. I want to say, like
I want to shoot for the I want to say
sky's the limit? But but why do I want to say.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Like thirteen seven?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Okay? I originally originally wanted to be like forty nine.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Do you know your body count?
Speaker 4 (36:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Do you no?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
But yeah, I don't. I'm trying to think of it.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
If I had to like put myself in like a category,
maybe I could, But it would take some time. I'd
rather like take a little time and like do a
little mask.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Me and Mark we're talking about it. We're trying to think,
like what's a ballpark?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And I think we.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Were saying like like around one fifty or two hundred.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, that doesn't like gay man in your forties, that
doesn't seem insane.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
To me, But like two hundred, I mean I'm counting
like blow jobs.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, and you're also counting how many years of fucking?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I think two hundred, But like I also went long
periods of time without so like.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, and then you have slight phases and you're a
gay man.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
But even though slowly phases, I'm not racking up like
fifty people.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
It's like you're not going on an Atlanta's cruise and
putting a full tally of the loads on your ass
then taking a picture of it and putting it on
the telegram group.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
And saying inside.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
And can one oh four bring snacks you know now
receiving which, by the way, I'm going on a gay
cruise next week. No happy birthday to me.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Are you performing?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I'm so. At what point will Brian hire me to
do an atlantoscos when I get an act together that's entertaining, you.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Have to just get like a tight, like a tight
little forty five yeah type.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I'm closed to that. Bing bang bong my inside. That's
my favorite nighors date of Brian someone on the Atlantists
discord Road. I need someone to come over here and
bing bang bong my.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Honey. There is a lid for every pot. We come
up with the type forty so we can go together
and then you could get your you could get your
insights bing banged and bomb.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Being bang bong my inside. What's a chapstick lesbian.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
That I don't know? That means like to me, somebody
that would maybe be working like a like a butchy,
like non vine kind of vibe, low.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Maintenance, casual, someone who's not super film, not super butch.
I feel like, I you got it. What are your
final thoughts on workout? And will you continue watching as
I progress?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well, yeah, for sure. Then I can be up to
date on show Pony and you know, like, look, it
doesn't take much for me to get deep into a
reality like rewatch. So I wound up watching. Honestly, I
think it was until the final season A full rony
watch Rewatch, which like took some time but like it's
(39:25):
a lot, but you know, I'm down.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I'm going to do workout Tabatha, but I also Tabitha.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
And I'm tyking out.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Once I'm done with workout, I'm going to start the
nnical show.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Oh my god, yes you have to do.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
That was the first one really for me.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
And that one is going to be such an interesting
and honestly like hard watch I think, which is, let's
be honest, not not your brand that we can get
like very funny and campion over the top, but really
touch on the humanity. And there's a lot of humanity
happening in her show, whether it's like tragic, but also
(40:08):
like she was this like vulnerable, I love, kind of broken,
kind of amazing strong, like multifaceted like human and woman,
you know. So yes, ooh, I'm very into that.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Send me some questions for Jackie that you want to
know because I might even shrinky Dank? Do you like
shrinky Danks?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
What was your like eighties go to did you use
gut and shape?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Girl? You know?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
What was your eighties toy that you enjoyed?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I wanted to this is good. I wanted to finish
the season one, to wrap it up and then really
pool my thoughts, get my thoughts together with her, and
then just like do a nice long interview. But it
is over zoom and I hate doing a zoom interview. Listen,
it's Jackie, it's our star.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Well, and you also still got to have like FaceTime.
It's not like you aren't, You're just doing it over
the phone.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Okay, now, Geor Johnson, we're gonna get out of here.
I'm gonna go work out, work out, and you're gonna
go work out in the theater space.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Honey, the sky's the limit.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I love you. You're the best. Thanks for having me
on the show, Pony, so proud of you. Always tears
now I've ever relentless, babe.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I want to thank my guest Natalie Joy Johnson and
Eric Maxwell for coming together for this chaotic and somewhat
haphazard finale episode. I can't believe we've made it to
the end of season one of Workout. When I started
this podcast, I didn't know where it would lead me
(41:44):
and I am a changed man. I have two seasons
left to go. I'm in contact with Jackie. We're texting
back and forth, the mystery continues to unfold, the most
important thing I've learned from Jackie this season is to
be true to yourself, to follow your heart, to know
what you stand for, and if you want to go
to a strip club with your employees, you go. I'm
(42:07):
John Hill. This is Show Pony, a relentless look at
the shows that shape us. Like subscribe, get engaged, join
the Patreon. More to come. We'll see you next time.
Workout as a show about Jackie Warner, a trainer in
LA I had a.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Vision of a gem high in the sky, different from
anything anybody had ever seen before.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
But what happened to Jackie Warner when I started this podcast,
I have no idea where it would be me. I
don't want democracy to end precy. What happens to Sky
important spa. My entire world is changing.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Two years ago, when I filmed this incredible rooftop space,
I transformed it into an elite penthouse gym called sky
Sport and spam. I knew as soon as made me
ask the question would you come to our ceremony? What
my mother will said, there's always a discomfort level mixing
gay people with Christians.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Do you think there was for the cameras or do
you think they were? I think that's Jackie. I think
it's stretched.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I think that's how women gay women.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I think she gained power with that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I'm not blaming her. I did the same thing.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Stop its she bit me so hard it physically hurts
so much. Talking about Jackie Warner's show Workout, your guest
very casually said how much Jackie Warner hated me?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
And I was like, really, wanting to dig into that
and now. And then I had John text his guest
to say, why did you why did she hate Andy?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
And the guest is now totally backing down from that.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Claim or the series. And then six, I want to
get Jackie on here. Do you think I can? I
think she's gettable.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I make a video that.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Says the mic does not belong in the me out pocket?
Do you hear how loud it is? Okay, So what
has happened is I was supposed to interview my friend Natalie.
She watched the finale, she was on her way down here.
We get here. I don't know if it's reading through
the mics, but there's a parade outside and the audio
(01:54):
would be so mess up. I'll show some footage of
it right now, right now, Okay, now we're back.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Are you recording?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah? Eric was just hanging out here. You came over
to play with my meal pocket for a while. I
didn't want to see.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Your me pocket and I was not disappointed.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Meot pocket for the I really hope this is coming
through the audio opiso. I didn't know what to do
for the wait, okay, just to set the scene a
little bit more, Eric's over here hanging out, playing with
my meal pocket. More on that in a second. Natalie
(02:42):
was supposed to come here and we were supposed to
do episode six of Workout Season one finale episode lots
of pressure, and she was just going to do like
a quickie recap of the plot of this episode. And
then tomorrow Jackie Warner was supposed to be interviewed. I
was bomb dropped. Yeah, like so like tonight was going
to be spent editing me and Natalie. I was just
gonna make a template for the rest of the episode,
(03:02):
and then Slot Jackie's interview in quickly no edits upload
it Sunday night, Monday morning, because I can't say something
about a slot right, all of you are waiting with
bated breath. Yes, you can't say something of us. It's
a lot of slot. The moment has passed. But I
was gonna we get it. So we were just at
a event and I got a text from Jackie saying,
(03:22):
like you can paraphrase, do you want to put a
wig on? And you read it? Do you have a wig? Yeah?
Is this an invasion of her privacy? No, it's a recreation, Jackie.
If you're watching this, it's with love. Okay, you look
Jerry a little bus cheers mind an open mind. Eric
(03:44):
will read the text that I just got from Jackie
Warner in preparation for her appearance on this show tomorrow.
Go good morning.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
So I took work off yesterday and today because I
have a full on flu which I caught for my
hairdresser in bed.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Fever, aches, no sleep.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
So if you have a creative way to push interview
to another day, that would be helpful, Like maybe tease
hard on Monday. Say I have the flu and we
do upcoming week. I would rally, but my personality is
so flat right?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Which? Now?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Is there an alternative? I can also text you tomorrow
am in case I feel better. Sorry, I'm really looking forward.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
To this XJ. What did I say back?
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Should I take the weg off to say that do
not worry about it. We can do today. Do it
when you're feeling better. I'll do it as a bonus episode,
which might even work better.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
All good?
Speaker 4 (04:39):
So sorry you're sick, sad face.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Wait, so you're saying I said grammatically incorrect run on sentence. Yeah,
do not worry about it. We can today, do it
when you're feeling better. I meant totally do it when
you're feeling bad. Oh my god, I'm so embarrassed. This
is dementia at work. Okay, now what does she say?
I have to put it back on? Okay, hold on?
Oh great?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
IM never get six. So I'm pretty grumpy about it.
Will you let me know about when you'd like to
do it? Thanks so much. I think it was gonna
be a smiling but it's one parenthese.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Okay, so we both have dementia. Okay, Now what did
I say about baby makes three?
Speaker 4 (05:14):
I will make time for you whenever you're better. I'll
be out of town most of next week, but maybe
next weekend or this Monday evening if you feel amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
How do you think I'm doing communicating? Pretty good? Okay?
That was great.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Ruin my hair for that.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Outer Critics Circle Award for you. So what you've missed
in this season? Eric, Mimi and Jackie have a fight. Jackie,
jack I guess I'm gonna tell you I don't care
anything I'm telling me. I'm not interested in. The editing
(05:56):
is kind of everything.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Fare.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
When I was two through my first class.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Trainers, she humiliated me in front of my staff and
my friends.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
How much do I have to put up with?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I'm done. It's over. I'm finished with this relationship. I'm
finished with Mimi. I want to move up and not
continue chasing my tail in this dramatic ridiculousness.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Anyway, I.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Told you.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
We haven't choked and punched all week. Okay, then this
is this. This is the season one wrap up, So
basically I'll just fast forward through you. A new day
is dawning. Six weeks later. She's broken up with me.
She's hugging her dog, she's got that haircut, black and
white recap of the relationship of her and Mimi rolling
around in bed. She's wearing that eponine hat is so long.
(06:49):
Getting out of that really a little follering on. Now
she's back on our Harley.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I know that you have to be a certain type
of person to date me. I'm controlling, I have a
strong on ego, and I'm flirtatious. I like my sexual power.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I kid apologize for those things. So she's back
on her Harley. She goes to the gym by a
twenty six year old girl. She's not being waid on
by a twenty six year old emuse. Twenty six I
know ten years younger. Okay, now this is interesting. The
first thing we see in this there's one minute left
in the episode. What you just saw at that club
(07:28):
was Rebecca watching this and saying, wow, watching their toxic
relationship is so busted if and we know that she
later falls in love with Rebecca in the next season,
And the first thing we see is Rebecca walking in
with hugging her. Oh, you guys broke up. That's yad.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Now I can really take the energy that was being
drained from the relationship, drained and expand, expand.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Now Sky's the limit for me.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Sky's the limit. It's a pun of sky sport. That
could have been the title of the show. Show what'd
you think of the finale? The last five minutes, The
last five minutes Jackie getting punched and choked and slapped
and bit and call that Tuesday lesbian chaos. Okay, well,
wish me luck when I finally do interview Jackie, and
I guess hopefully when this parade passes by. Natalie, the
(08:19):
parade passes by, we gotta go bye. I have to
go booth this recess.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
She's lending me her Giovanni dresses.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
And also how do I fit into Countess Luandela Septs
Giovanni dress?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So do we just hold it like this the whole time?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Sorry, No, it's fine. I just want to know what
we have to do. No, this is hilarious and I
love it.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Okay, first of all, are we recording already? We are recording?
Oh sorry, Natalie Joy Johnson, welcome to show, pony.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Ah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
No. First of all, you were just telling me that
you inherited some Countess luand Giovanni dresses.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Well they're just currently on loan and honestly, like if.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
She wants some back, well look.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
There, I mean, look, this was her opening opening gown
for all of her shows for many years. So like,
I just can't even believe I'm getting to wear them.
I'm just like I've already the worst case scenario in
my head, like, oh my god, like what happens if
it gets like I will not I will not check
that baggage that will be on my person at all times,
(09:29):
you know what I mean, And it will get dry
cleaned and all of that stuff. But oh my god'
on the plane with it as an imask one million percent?
Like actually, could just I mean the one they're both
Giovanni's obviously, and the one is so beaded for life
that I could just actually lay it on me as
a weighted blanket, which would be great for the flight.
So there we go.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That's nice. I mean, at this point, your cabaret colleagues,
Nataliejeory Johnson, a cabaret superstar, I would say.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I really can't believe it. I really, colleagu Patriots, I
really can't. I mean, like, we share the same musical director,
so it is true. We are sisters see the Skin
of Ryan Ash.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, shout out to Brian who's also sometimes my musical director.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I mean, we're all sisters of the skin.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You know what I love is that you've come to
this show kind of giving like a reinvention of Jackie Warner's.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I'm not gonna lie. Look when I was watching it
in the rewatch and the shortness of the hair, just
the fact that I constantly play lesbians, you know, both
on stage and occasionally off. You know, there's I can't
not see. I can't not see a comparison. And I also, yeah,
I can't also not go back to the time that
(10:39):
I watched that show when it was like on you
did watch of course was early Bravo. Also, I'm wondering,
how did you come to it because you've gone deep
obviously I've done my own show Pony, Yeah, research, and
you've gone in a deep dive. So how did that
all kind of what was your tipping point where you're like,
let me do well.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I was going to do Tabitha.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I was going to do I'm Tabitha. I mean, I'm
tyking Ova and.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
By the way, I will eventually do Oh you have to.
And I said that to my friend Elizabeth and she
was like, no, She's like, start with workout, and there
was something about the way she said it. I was like,
and I had never seen work I'd seen every episode
of Tabitha, so I was like, maybe I'll watch something
that I've never seen. But I didn't scrowl about because
I was producing reality TV in LA in two thousand
and six. I was there. I knew people who knew her,
friends of mine would be like, oh, Jackie Warners at
(11:28):
the Abbey whatever. But I never watched the actual show,
and I wanted to kind of travel back to that
time in my life in LA which it is a
trip to watch.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Oh, I bet. And it's also like the perfect way
in because it's like six episodes to start. You're like, boom,
are you doing the other seasons?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
I think yes, because then it'll be this show Pony season.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You can ride her to the end.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah. And so I'm in talks with Jackie. So the
reason you're here today right now, yesterday there was a parade.
It ruined my plans for.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
We were supposed to do this yesterday. But it was literally.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It was so crazy crazy it sounded like it was
in the apartment.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I literally listened to your previous episode with the blind
date Loved and literally a siren went by and I
was like, girl, if that was the parade that siren
was So that was one siren and it was loud.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
So I edited in a little bit of the footage
into this what you're watching right now. You'll be able
to hear it and you will be shocked. It sounded
like it was in I don't even know what kind
of pred it was. Anyway back to this for us,
I was gonna say I saw a play last night,
or I saw twnights ago. The last membo of the Apocalypse,
which you should see, is really good. You could be
in it. Actually, wow, you should be. And it's all
about two thousand and six, and this like pop culture
(12:36):
moment that happens there and all the kids were dying laughing,
and I was laughing because I loved it. But I
was like, oh, this is for me. Two thousand and
six is so fresh in my memory that it's like, oh,
that was that was just the other day.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
My date was nine. I know, hilarious. Huh hilarious.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
That is a siren. We were all for it when
I first into this farm and he was like, it's
very loud. I'm like, I'm not going to care, and
I don't care, but that is loud.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
But the listeners might the listeners and watchers. That's right.
Wait a second, So two thousand and six remind me
because I don't remember, and I don't know if you
know this, but I kind of feel.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Like you do.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
What year did OC start? So OC had already been happening, right,
like I think.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It is six, maybe oh five.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Okay, right around the same time. One thing that I
was struck with while revisiting sky Sport was how tragic
the lighting was. The lighting is so fucking bad.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
It looks brown.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
It is, so I'm like, yeah, this does not look
like a hot place to work out. Actually, it looks
like you need to clean a lens and throw a
light on it.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Now.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Look, people didn't have ring lights everywhere. People weren't Kyle.
Weren't Kyle putting full lighting up in her kitchen, right,
doesn't Kyle have lights in her house?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I'm sure there was no There were flip phones. Correct,
the cameras they use, the cameras they used to shoot
this show, I also used to use. They're not They're
not like HD. You I remember HD kind of like
got invented around this time. It's like, ooh, HD, everything's
moving into but like it was SD standard. This ship
(14:16):
is so standard it's grainy.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, but even still they did manage. They found their
light every now and then, like they found the hero
shots of Jackie on the roof at Sunset Magic.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Outside use she has that outside space, which is great,
but like all of that indoor shit is so poorly
lit sadly.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Back in the day, like sky Sports and probably we've
been talking about this, like it looks it's just like
it looks like a hotel too. It's just no offense. Jackie,
we love you, but like.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
But also cutting edge at the time, I'm sure and
like you know, having like it be private and like
pitchlsei and all of that.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Wait, just to circle back to what we were saying
here today, because Jackie and I were supposed to be interviewed.
I was nerving her today and she got the flu.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
So we are sending you well wishes, get better, feel better, queen,
because we need to touch down with you.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, and so it is so curious. It all worked
out great because she and I will I'll do it
as a bonus episode or something. It'll be fine.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And also, thank god you are done with Mimi. Oh
I can't. I mean, even though they're not totally done.
I love when she was like, you know that whole
adage about lesbians being together for like two months and
breaking up for fourteen years. I'm like, that's hysterical. Also,
Mimi was like twenty four twenty six, right, and they
(15:41):
started dating when she was like twenty two, right, And
so when I realized that also, because I don't think
I clocked that until like, I don't think I clocked
that episode one. I think I clocked it like five
where I was like, well, no, wonder. Also, you're like
solidly ten years older than her, and she's a crazy mess.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Not to jump around, but I feel like one note
about Jackie is that if I were me me, I
would be angry that my girlfriend went on three dates
on television as well. Sure, and if I'm Jackie this
and whatever hindsight is twenty twenty, everyone's relationship is its
own thing. They were, and I'm so glad the drama
(16:21):
was there. It was very exciting to watch, but like, sure,
if you're looking at who's more in the wrong, Like
Jackie was like, well, I don't feel supported by you,
and that's horrible, and it's like, okay, but in the
grand scheme of who's doing worst shit cheating on she
fucked a girl in l Coyote.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I listened to that on the Blind Daid episode and
I was like, well, I mean, I have sucked a
dick in Ariba Rebet, But did you have.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
A boyfriend at the time. No?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
See no, And my metro card got stolen out of
like my bag while I was in the bathroom. Yeah,
to deal with that. I think that was also circa
two thousand and six, so ah, and I was like, well,
how am I gonna get home?
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah? How did you?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Honey? I had a mama and I figured it out.
You know what I'm saying. I had a mama, Margarita,
and I got my ass home.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
So you really have me Listen. I love the Jackie
head sex with that girl in the bathroom and there's
no lock on that door.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Honey, that's probably part of the of you, I know,
are we gonna get caught?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I mean means the beginning of this. Let's just go
through the bullet points. Let's do the beginning. The episode
starts with the fallout of Mimi biting Jackie. The whole
biting thing.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yeah, it's too much, too much.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Jackie says, it cost her to a breakout into a
breakdown in tears. It hurts so by the physical pain
of the bite hurts, so better break down in tears,
and Mimi has.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And of course Mamie is like twenty six at the time.
She's being just like young and insane. Yeah, I mean,
weren't we all young and insane?
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yes, but Jackie is like, I'm trying to be a
grown up.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
The big one of the so like one of the
main stories of the episode, I would say, so it's
mem and Jackie's relationship is the kind of a story.
But the b story, the through line is that she
has a new fashion line called Lift. That's right, and
I'm gonna put up some photos in here. So there's
like it's very like burr lap canvas rugged like Journeys
that store Journeys kind of fashion or like Buckle.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Remember back in the day, I mean, I love Journeys
because I love honestly, their's shoe selection too. To this day,
I will go and buy a shoe, like a really
cute pair of vans. They'll have them or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Well, maybe you should buy some items from Lyft.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
If it was still available. I mean maybe I would
be interested. She's like that, Wait, this is the same
fashion show where what's her name?
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Zen?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I was gonna say, Fern rips the shirt off? Yeah yeah, yeah,
that wasn't the fashion line though the shirts on top
or were they also in the line.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
So at the end of the episode, they have my
question really.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Quick day to night about working out. Also, are you
going to like, I know, I want to wear that
sweaty sweaty like two shows, you're gonna wear that like
bra top as a top when it's just been sweated in.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Okay, but think about it now, maybe if you're a trainer.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Maybe if you're a trainer and you're not like working
out the whole day so you're lightly sweated in.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Maybe she meant what she was getting at is it
works for both like working out and going.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Maybe it could be like you're going on a hike
and you're wearing it looking hot on the hike, but
then you're going and have drinks after. Is that like
a thing?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I don't think she literally means wear it to work
out and then go to a club. I think she
means the style is so cool you could either wear
it to the gym and then you wash it and
then like you wear it another time out of the club.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Okay, but I kind of like the I kind of
like the active outside to like drinks outside.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
If you feel like that she was ahead of her time,
because what happened.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
That every time ahead of a time? Go go go
jack You know what they say, work out a jackie.
You're making some day. Shout out of Jackie. You're doing fine,
you and your lift. We're ahead of your time. Go
go go go.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Ah, sorry tu, because what happened after this was ath
leisure and we all are wearing shit you can kind
of wear to the brunch and kind of where to
the gym, So I think she was right on them.
She was also right about boot camp being the way
of the future. She was right, and so she's Yeah,
(20:35):
she interviews with this lady who comes in like at leisure.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
See, now that you say it that way, I totally
get it, which essentially is you can wear it on
the hike and then wear it.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
To and we're both wearing it now.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, way to go, Jackie. I really
can't wait for you to connect with her. Well, how excited.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
If you have any questions, text me them because I'll wait.
I'm trying to pull together the best things to ask
her because my questions are kind of like, how big
was Doug's dick? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Rip, Doug Rip, that's so sad.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Also, Natalie, I don't know who it is, but another
trainer passes away and I don't know who it is, Yeah,
but I know they're like two trainers die.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
In the course of the series.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't know which one.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Wait, oh wait, Doug died during the series. Yeah, I
don't remember that. I don't remember that, Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
In season two and you know that Rebecca and Jackie
become girlfriends. No, okay, So back to this episode, the whole.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Party, and I want all of the Julian Michaels. I
want everything, so I can't I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
You should listen to see episode three of this show,
and when we talk all about Julian Michaels, that's all
in there. You know they started skysporting spot together, and
you know that Jackie gave biggest Loser Jillian's name. They're like,
She's like, you should have to you should have Jillian.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Go, go, go go.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Jillian is on my shit list for the things that
she says on the internet these days.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Wow, woof, woof.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, she does not like she wants to keep that
tea out of LGBT. Let's just say that she is
not a friend of us.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I don't understand that. But that's a podcast another time.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
But like the whole time, So Mimi and Jackie are
breaking up. It's reaching this crescendo at the fashion show
where Zen's ripping her tits and Rebecca. We haven't seen
Rebecca for four episodes. She's in episode one, Episode two,
and then she kind of disappears into this is Rebecca,
like the one who's too horny all the time? Dat
(22:34):
did you die when Jody Wattley, Jody Walling is all
over this ship.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Jody fucking Wattly, God bless her.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I mean, what is Jody Wattley's song I Feel for
You or true love?
Speaker 5 (22:45):
I'm looking for something like I'm looking for a new
love love Yay, yay, yay, looking for.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
And it's so good, such a bop. Jody Wattley, she
was the voice of a time, Honey, she definitely was,
and she was like a face of MTV.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Yeah, Jody Wattley so so hot. Rebecca shows her dick
pic that's Jody Wattle.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, the one that was over sexualized.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
So they become girlfriends, well, of course they do, because
Rebecca was like had her eye on that prize since
day one.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And at the end of the episode, Jackie's like, we're
finally broken up, me and Mi me, And the first
person you see when she walks into sky Sporting Spot
is Rebecca like giving her a huge hug, like yay,
we're so happy, You're happy now, and like, I don't
know where they were in their flirtation or whatever, but
just the foreshadowing that they're going to.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Become love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
So now I do want to watch season two. There's
a success story Elena who's getting the breast reduction. Yeah,
her back doesn't hurt more thanks to Erica who's been
helping her work out.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
And that's the one whose boyfriend comes in surprise surprises her.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah. So now why do you think Elena first of all,
cut the Courtney Cox scream two bangs. She did some
bangs in this episode.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
She do like bang work in the bathroom.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I think she had banged the bathroom. And why she
suddenly in glam now and it's for the revealed. I
think they were like, okay, give yourself some like glamor.
And then the boyfriend called.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
On Who's to say that? I mean, do you think
they had a makeup person there doing that for her?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
No? Probably not at that time. I don't think they did.
Jackie's on the phone, and this is when she's like,
if anyone has a right to be mad, it's me.
But it's like you did just cheat on her? But whatever.
Then she goes to a bar called Horse to play
pool with her best friend, and then they go back
to the fashion line and Jackie's sketching, which I thought
(24:36):
was cute. Do you think that was I mean, Jackie's
like sketching fashion I didn't. I didn't know if that
was like placed there or if I bought it, Like
does she draw? That's a question I'll ask her.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Right, yeah. Yeah. Also, just really quickly, this is such
a this is such a random thought. But I recently
went down a little bit of a rabbit hole because
I was talking about fashion plates too.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I used to love fashion plates. My sister had them,
and you it's like when you go to a gravestone and.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
You etch it and then you can use the other
side because it had the patterns on the other side
if you want to get texture to that denim skirt
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I loved fashion plates and I loved shrinky.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Inks, shrinkys then put it in and then that smurf
is actually smurf sized when it comes out. I fucking
loved a shrinkydk, which I'm sure we could find on
like eBay.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
You know, I'm sure, Oh my god, let's do shrinky
dings and also fashion plates. Because I looked that up.
I was like that is actually like a toy I
would want now to play with as fashion plates.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
People have adult coloring books like Shrinky Dinks and fucking
fashion plates.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Anyway, So maybe when you ask her if she drew,
ask her if she ever played with fashion plates.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
She goes and gets a haircut.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
We're shrinky Inks?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Did you ever play with shrinky Inks? She gets a
haircut from Jonathan Anton?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Oh, I loved that.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I never watched blowout either.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Oh, I think I watched a little bit of blowout.
I don't quite remember. That is as much as has work.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Out, but I go out workout now of course.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Like being the daughter of a hairdresser and spending my
entire like just life growing up in a salon, I
just always love a little peak behind that curtain. But
he was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
He also I remember him looking so in my mind's
eye back then, I was like, woof that guy, like
it really has a face going. But in this episode,
I thought he was so handsome and looked great.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
So handsome. We're also used now to insane faces. I'm like, okay,
maybe we all look like we're used to insane faces.
And he actually pretty had Like what did you think
was insane about his face. Before that it was like
too much work done, or yes.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It looked a little like something, but in this episode
it looks fine.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, well babe a SD first of all, not.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
HD and B not like and also twenty years ago, exactly,
I'm letting all my boatoks wear off. It's almost all gone,
model walks. Zen is nervous. So Zen in the last
episode felt fat and depressed. So now she's back in
her because she lost five pounds. That's the other thing.
Like back then, the discussion of weight was so still
kind of disordered. We hadn't learned that it's not healthy
(27:08):
to say congratulations, you lost ten pounds.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, as somebody who has just lost like, let's say,
thirty eight pounds. Dam off of we govie. Okay. It's
very interesting and weird now to be walking through the
world in a body that like, nobody, none of my friends,
none of my family.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Has ever seen No they said that that like people
got mean, but I hope not.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I hope not. But it is also very interesting because
I still do hear people be like, oh my god,
you look amazing, and I can't help but in my
mind be like, yeah, because I just fucking lost thirty
eight pounds.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
The difference is they're not saying you look amazing because
you're skinny. You just look like tight and right. If
you got skinny, they're not not right. I had such
disordered eating and body shoes for so long, still do.
But when I learned that like working out, I was
working out so much and torturing myself and not eating
(28:10):
properly that I was making no progress. And because I
thought if I eat something bad, I have to work
out like crazy to burn it off, or I have
to work out really hard on Thanksgiving Day so I
can eat all day, and it doesn't. Once I realize
it all kind of works together. You strength train smartly,
then you don't have to do it seven days a week.
You don't have Once I realized that stuff, the goals
(28:33):
kind of changed. And when I realized that being nicer
and kinder to yourself really is how you make the
most processed and sleeping more and look at the whole thing,
I got healthier. Yeah. And also, when we're attracted to someone,
we're not attracted to them being only small. We're attracted
to them looking healthy and vibrant and young. The thing
(28:55):
is we can do whatever we want from here on out,
but like we will never look, will never have that youthful.
Even if someone doesn't have your like beautiful jeans but
they're twenty, there's something that's like, well, and it's.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
So interesting because obviously now I just see it in
such a different way when you're on the train and
there is literally a girl that is twenty years old
and you're just like, oh, hey, that skin is just
a skin poppin for days. Yeah, you are giving me
like plump colla jem that you know.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
That's why I use the mask to pump the collegeen
and I did a Morpheus a laser. Anyway, back to
the episode, they have their Jody Wattley event kind of
uneventful but gay for Jody, she looks great. She's also
one that she's like, I want to lose ten pounds
before my thing. I do want to be a lesbian
at some point in my life. Because there was something
so cool about seeing Jackie and Mimi who are about
to break up, but they're at home and they're like
(29:49):
doing their makeup before they go out, and it was like,
is this what lesbians do? They're just like beating their
face and like putting lipstick on and just like they're
both in the mirror like ah yeah her, and it's like,
I just gay guys. I guess they do the same thing.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I was going to say, I guess every couple. I
guess every couple does, but get ready together, specifically.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Girls in their makeup in the mirror, like.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
You're just putting on like a tinted guys are.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Doing a quick They're not like conjuring and shadowing and highlighting,
but like they were, they were really doing it well.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
And they were doing two thousand and six makeup also, and.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
They were on TV. Mimi says, She's like, I want
to see actions, not just words, and she's right, Jackie's
been cheating. I mean, takes her tits out.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
How would Jackie feel if Mimi had been dating anybody?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Exactly? Her head would explode exactly. It was a lot
of games and like, again, no judgment, I have played
all the games. And then she slaps her on the
face and even though it was a play she meant it.
I think is a playful step. And she slap and
she's drunk. Don't ever slap a face. If anyone were
(30:57):
to touch my face, I call the cop like it
would be done. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
And this is also after like history of like biting
and all. It's not cute.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Jackie says. She's like I've been pinched and choked and
punched all week.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, girl, get out, get leave. Yeah, neither of you
are happy in this situation.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I hate that kind of person who does something like that,
like slaps the little face and its like oh whatever,
which is like a no, no, no, don't It doesn't
matter how hard it is. Don't ever slap a face.
Going up in a house with sisters only and a mom,
it was very much like any like anything rough could
end up with someone like getting hurt, so like I
(31:37):
don't ever lay hands.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, it's not the answer. Violence is not the answer.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
That's why I have so much rate. Maybe I should
try to like punch a pillow she slaps, and then
Mimi throws a drink, which is like now become reality
show currency. I mean, that's really I wonder if they
were who was the first person to throw a drink
on TV? You should find that out. Yah, wonder the
first person was in reality TV?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Because now, I mean, it is the moment we all
think of a drink, we all think of Amsterdam, Kim Richards, Lisa, Rinna,
There's there's there are those moments.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
We did it on the A List Dallas. Which one
was that show? The A List?
Speaker 2 (32:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
But who did it? James threw a drink on maybe
Levi or Taylor, I don't remember. We were on a
roof and I was wearing hot pink shoes and the
camera pans out because a fight breaks out and I'm
holding one of them back in my pink ugly outlet
malls are on Bilo's Dallas for posterity.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
We love to see it.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And then we followed James around after throwing the drink.
They were they had been up all night. We shot
them at a gay bar the night before we were
in Austin. It was brunch. It was bottomless moment.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
They were just so like and by bottomless we mean
bottom bottoms.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Anyways, throwing a drink and then hold.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
On again like ahead of their time. They really were
just popping all.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Of these Reacheckie is such a star. Absolutely, the voice,
the look, even her responses to things is very much
like aspirational, like I want to be the person, even
though she's doing messy things in her relationship at work,
she's doing, she's saying the things you want a boss
to say. She's like measured, she's fair with her mom.
She's not a bitch to her mom. She's like, Wow,
you don't support my lifestyle, but out of respect, sure
(33:28):
come visit.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, I mean that. Really. Relationship is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
And I love that they put it on TV. It
was so long ago we were only having the conversation.
I'm glad they put it out there. And then they
break up officially. Then we have a six weeks later
and then she's like, my life has gotten great, and
then we have kind of a super tease for what
will be season two, I guess, and she's on the
roof and she's like, Sky's the limit. I was thinking
because it's a pun, but I was thinking maybe it
(33:54):
should have been Sky's not the limit because she can
have a clothing line, and that's right. Anyway, Okay, do
you want to do a little lesbian quiz? Yes? Okay,
you may not know any of these well, but we'll
just process it together. What year to the L word premiere?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I have no idea two thousand and one.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I'll give you a hint. We were working together thousand
and four. Yeah, which longtime A List actress played a
lesbian nun and a lesbian housewife within five years? Say
it again, which longtime A list actress played a lesbian
nun and a lesbian housewife within five years?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
I have no idea, katee oh oh.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Who's the most googled lesbian couple of the last decade?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Why did Ellen de generous?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
That's correct?
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Okay, good, good, good?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I mean now, I would hope it would be Kristen
Stewart and her cute wife. How many Grammy Awards has
lesbian legend Katie Lang? One? Three, four gs? What car brand?
What car brand has the strongest? Correct? According to you gov?
What percentage of lesbians reported using power tools within the
(35:04):
past year sixty six? How many cats does the.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Average sixty six actually like? Make it makes much more sense.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
How many cats does the average lesbian own?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Cats are bussies? I want to say three, but I
think that's wrong, so I'm going to go with two
one point four? All right?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Uh? What's the average age a lesbian realizes she's gay?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Twenty nine?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Nineteen?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Oh, I was just in that life lesbian trope.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
What's the average age she tells someone twenty six twenty one. Damn?
What percentage of lesbian porn viewed by women stars performers
who are actually straight?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I don't know. That's tough because I think the women
want to actually see women that enjoy it and that
aren't just like But that's also maybe just me is
like my confirmation bias, right right, because I'm going to
want to watch I'm an amateur girl. I want to
actually watch people that are like having fun so much better. So,
(36:10):
but I don't know what. So now, with that in mind,
I want to say, like, only like maybe thirty percent
of those gals are watching it, but it's probably more.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's ninety nine. What's the average number of sexual partners
lesbian's report over a lifetime?
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Oh, that's an interesting question. I want to say, like
I want to shoot for the I want to say
sky's the limit? But but why do I want to say.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Like thirteen seven?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Okay? I originally originally wanted to be like forty nine.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Do you know your body count?
Speaker 4 (36:43):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Do you no?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
But yeah, I don't. I'm trying to think of it.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
If I had to like put myself in like a category,
maybe I could, But it would take some time. I'd
rather like take a little time and like do a
little mask.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Me and Mark we're talking about it. We're trying to think,
like what's a ballpark?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
And I think we.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Were saying like like around one fifty or two hundred.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, that doesn't like gay man in your forties, that
doesn't seem insane.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
To me, But like two hundred, I mean I'm counting
like blow jobs.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, and you're also counting how many years of fucking?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I think two hundred, But like I also went long
periods of time without so like.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, and then you have slight phases and you're a
gay man.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
But even though slowly phases, I'm not racking up like
fifty people.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
It's like you're not going on an Atlanta's cruise and
putting a full tally of the loads on your ass
then taking a picture of it and putting it on
the telegram group.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
And saying inside.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
And can one oh four bring snacks you know now
receiving which, by the way, I'm going on a gay
cruise next week. No happy birthday to me.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Are you performing?
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I'm so. At what point will Brian hire me to
do an atlantoscos when I get an act together that's entertaining, you.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Have to just get like a tight, like a tight
little forty five yeah type.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I'm closed to that. Bing bang bong my inside. That's
my favorite nighors date of Brian someone on the Atlantists
discord Road. I need someone to come over here and
bing bang bong my.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Honey. There is a lid for every pot. We come
up with the type forty so we can go together
and then you could get your you could get your
insights bing banged and bomb.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Being bang bong my inside. What's a chapstick lesbian.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
That I don't know? That means like to me, somebody
that would maybe be working like a like a butchy,
like non vine kind of vibe, low.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Maintenance, casual, someone who's not super film, not super butch.
I feel like, I you got it. What are your
final thoughts on workout? And will you continue watching as
I progress?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Well, yeah, for sure. Then I can be up to
date on show Pony and you know, like, look, it
doesn't take much for me to get deep into a
reality like rewatch. So I wound up watching. Honestly, I
think it was until the final season A full rony
watch Rewatch, which like took some time but like it's
(39:25):
a lot, but you know, I'm down.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I'm going to do workout Tabatha, but I also Tabitha.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
And I'm tyking out.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Once I'm done with workout, I'm going to start the
nnical show.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Oh my god, yes you have to do.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
That was the first one really for me.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
And that one is going to be such an interesting
and honestly like hard watch I think, which is, let's
be honest, not not your brand that we can get
like very funny and campion over the top, but really
touch on the humanity. And there's a lot of humanity
happening in her show, whether it's like tragic, but also
(40:08):
like she was this like vulnerable, I love, kind of broken,
kind of amazing strong, like multifaceted like human and woman,
you know. So yes, ooh, I'm very into that.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Send me some questions for Jackie that you want to
know because I might even shrinky Dank? Do you like
shrinky Danks?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
What was your like eighties go to did you use
gut and shape?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Girl? You know?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
What was your eighties toy that you enjoyed?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I wanted to this is good. I wanted to finish
the season one, to wrap it up and then really
pool my thoughts, get my thoughts together with her, and
then just like do a nice long interview. But it
is over zoom and I hate doing a zoom interview. Listen,
it's Jackie, it's our star.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Well, and you also still got to have like FaceTime.
It's not like you aren't, You're just doing it over
the phone.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Okay, now, Geor Johnson, we're gonna get out of here.
I'm gonna go work out, work out, and you're gonna
go work out in the theater space.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
Honey, the sky's the limit.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
I love you.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
I love you. You're the best. Thanks for having me
on the show, Pony, so proud of you. Always tears
now I've ever relentless, babe.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
I want to thank my guest Natalie Joy Johnson and
Eric Maxwell for coming together for this chaotic and somewhat
haphazard finale episode. I can't believe we've made it to
the end of season one of Workout. When I started
this podcast, I didn't know where it would lead me
(41:44):
and I am a changed man. I have two seasons
left to go. I'm in contact with Jackie. We're texting
back and forth, the mystery continues to unfold, the most
important thing I've learned from Jackie this season is to
be true to yourself, to follow your heart, to know
what you stand for, and if you want to go
to a strip club with your employees, you go. I'm
(42:07):
John Hill. This is Show Pony, a relentless look at
the shows that shape us. Like subscribe, get engaged, join
the Patreon. More to come. We'll see you next time.
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