August 18, 2025 • 44 mins
It’s a sunny Hollywood backyard chat with Too Niche? host and vintage Bravo expert Elizabeth Kott — the woman who convinced me to start Show Pony in the first place. Elizabeth worked with Rachel Zoe back in the day (yes, she shares what it was like to work for her), and she knows the Bravo era, LA culture, and reality TV from the inside out. This episode is a double-header:
- Workout Season 3, Episode 2 Recap – Jackie Warner, Sky Sport & Spa, and all the Bravo chaos of 2007.
- Netflix’s The Biggest Loser Documentary (“Fit for TV?”) – how reality TV mocked fat people and why cruelty passed as entertainment.
- I spill tea on producing Tori Spelling’s reality show and the behind-the-scenes of negotiating brand deals in reality TV.
- The disgusting state of LA’s The Grove — how it’s turned into a dystopian influencer catwalk where everyone dresses like a whore (thank you, social media).
- The toxic state of online culture and unattainable beauty standards that keep recycling from one era to the next.
- LA then vs. now: from Rachel Zoe’s fashion reign to Jackie Warner’s fitness empire to today’s influencer mess.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hello. If this podcast was a baby, she'd be able
to vote by now. Happy birthday, Happy eighteenth episode to
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my little baby Show Pony. Today, I have the distinct
pleasure of welcoming the woman who helped create this podcast,
the woman who sparked the creation, Elizabeth Cott, of the
World's Coolest Podcast to niche. You know it's not too niche,
my dick. No, but really though, Andy and I are
on vacation for the next few weeks, so I know
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you haven't been able to get my up to the
minute breaking headlines on Serious XM. But rest assured the
world is still crazy. Jason Momoa almost drowned. Calvin Harris
posted a picture of his cock. Scientists are saying that
if you want to get rid of ants in your yard,
just go out and piss on the ant hills. Just
go out on your lawn and take a big piss,
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a big daddy piss right all over all the ant hills.
I think scientists are playing with us. They found woodchips
and cookies. I had to find out about Little Tay,
and I wish I hadn't. The World's Ugliest Dog winner
is actually very cute. People are odeing on Cradam from
gas stations. All that, plus the alien spaceship that's coming
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our way is still on course to reach us by November,
so you know what that means. I'm going to have
about two months to get all the pumpkin spice in
La pumped inside of me before the aliens suck me
up into their spaceship and probe me. Let's get started.
Shall we enjoy my backyard Bravo break Fuck you fucking asshole.
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I'm gonna fuck fucking die sorry about that. Let's get started.
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Shall we enjoy my backyard Bravo breakdown with two Niches
own Elizabeth Kott. We cover everything from the Biggest Loser
documentary on Netflix to this episode of Workout, which is
season three, episode two, and I have a special surprise
in store for you after this episode, so make sure
to stay tuned. Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, Elizabeth Kott. Welcome to the show.
We're starting Surprise, We've started Surprise. Hi, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Wait. I have to differentiate every time I speak to
someone that I'm friends with, truly truly friends with that
now we're performing on the podcast, so I don't want
to say anything that is for off air. Okay, welcome
to the show Things you Should Know About Elizabeth Kott.
(03:28):
You're the first person who introduced me to podcasts ever.
Your first podcast that's so retrograde was Iconic, Trailblazing, legendary
and now too Niche now to Nie, the best title
of any podcasts and the best podcast thank you, and
the prettiest host. Oh well, I'm trying to leave my
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feet out so that I.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Might do a shoes off moment too.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm inspired if you do shoes off, yeah, we'll get
more attention. Okay, do you mind that like old men
are jerking off to your feet because you know, I
have so many old men watching this show on YouTube.
Of that? Are you on wiki feed? I'm not hold
for plane. Are you sure you're not on wiki.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Feet I've never checked, but you're on it.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm sure you're on it. I'm on it okay. And
I don't even have my feet out that much. Okay,
you're also this is huge. Elizabeth Cott is the first
person who mentioned workout to me. We were going to
see Beyonce at Christmas or no, this was this past year.
We were going to see that movie. No, we were
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going to see one one fine day or one of
them days. We were going to see one of them
days and we were in the Americana Parking garage. I said,
I want to do a show, a vintage Bravo rewatch,
and I'm going to start with Tabitha. And you turn
to me in my car. I'll never forget it, and
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you were like, you should start with workout.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's right. And here we are.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Here, we are three babies, eighteen episodes and we're in
the middle of almost in the middle of season three. Yeah,
before we jump into what this is episode two that
we're on. Now, take me back. First of all, Elizabeth,
you're you were you are from Vintage Bravo World, You're
from rachel Zo. Take me back to that era in
LA and and just give me your workout logline.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Okay, So, first of all, be living in LA while
these shows were on was so important. It was so cool.
I remember seeing Jackie I called Workout Jackie's Gym, That's
what the show is called to me, and I remember
seeing her. I can't remember if it was at Hugo's,
but I want to say it might have been at
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that Crunch gym outside that Crunch sunset and San Vicente.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yes, that like that sunset five.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yes, that area. I think that's where I might have
seen her, and I was so excited. I just loved.
I mean that era. The million Dollar Decorator was the
bat like, I just love all of these.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Was million dollar Decorator around the same time. Why do
I feel that that was later? I guess it was
the Mary McDonald's one. Yeah, you're right because season three
of workout where we are two thousand and nine ish,
because the season one was two thousand and six, season
two and seven, So yeah, eight nine, I guess that's right.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah. I want to get my phone because I know
we have notes.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Oh yeah, we have notes. I took notes on the
episode and my phone is being used to record this,
so Elizabeth is going to step in as the lead
holder of the notes. And because my memory can't be
counted on for shit, I also took note in this
is like a double header or triple header in addition
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to covering. I don't love to recap, but I just
hit the highlights. People who gives a shit? We're talking
about the concept in general. But we did watch and
took take notes on episode two. But you mentioned have
you watched the Biggest Loser documentary on Netflix. I hadn't
even heard of it. I turned on Netflix. It just
came out.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It just came out. I've just starved for content, so
like anything, right, I'm just like, give me something, even
though like I barely cared about it. But what was
so interesting is I was reminded of your episode with
Jackie and how she had a lot of tea around
Jillian Michaels that I found to be quite piping. And
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then a lot of what she said in terms of
Jillian's personality was very much reflected in this documentary, and
I felt like I had like an inside eye having
listened to your show.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I have to be careful about how I slept. I
had a nightmare about this. I had a nightmare about
you and I recording this podcast right now and me
being too mean to Jillian. Okay, I hate her, so
you sitting here doesn't mean you co sign what I'm saying.
But she's such a piece of shit because of this
like anti gay stuff. She's doing this like pride. I
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hate gay pride. Pride. We should do a way with
gay pride like this anti gay being a rich lesbian
gay hating Maga type really upsets me and I hate her. Okay,
I'm sorry, Julian, and I hope you have light and
peace in your life. But watching this documentary The Biggest
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Loser on Netflix, what is it? Is there a name
to the documentary called fat TV fit for TV?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I don't know. I don't retain that.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well, it is kind of crazy. It's crazy timing because
here we are at episode two and the entire episode
is a huge redirect. You can one thing Jackie said
on this show is that in season three she really
wanted to show that life coaching like changing people's lives.
And you can tell the trend was because Biggest Loser
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was big.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
This episode went full on Biggest Loser. They had the
same Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Doctor Oh, I wrote his name down Vhongwei Shwangwei.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Let's see here.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
My not is a very stream of consciousness. Might just
are like, yeah, that sucks. It was Ving.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Shwei doctor h is what I wrote down.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, but well anyway, I wrote down, how are you
going to come in here and call people fat and
look at pictures of them in the fetal position and
then say they have backfat and all this stuff with
hair like that he looks like shit he had with
a wig like that. You're going to come in here
and criticize people's appearances.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, no, it it was this format pivot. Granted I
only remember watching the show like in its original airing. Yeah,
so I don't, but I assume that it was a
very jarring shift.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It was a drawing shift, and it made me bummed
because I know you're not sitting at home watching Workout again.
You watched it when it aired, but it's not like
this usually. And this is also the episode where they
take a lesbian cruise and I was just like, all
we want is the lesbian cruise. We don't need this,
we don't need this other stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And the messus.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yes, JD, who's very familiar to me, I feel like
we met at some point, felt familiar.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
To me too. It's just there's something about this show
feels such an la time capsule, I know, and it's
it makes me very nostalgic.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Me too. When it first started, there were no iPhones,
so I'm thinking back to that time. I didn't even know.
It's crazy. And the places they go to, like the
last episode they went to Geisha House, right, do you
remember Geisha House, they went some they went to blowfish Sushi.
This episode, I remember I hadn't thought about in so long.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And also it's almost like, and you know sky livensports
small business, small business, we don't have that anymore. No,
it's truly like venture capitalism has taken over Los Angeles
in a way. And I've been thinking about this and
I feel the best example, I'm working this thought out
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in real time. So but it's like the the air
wonification of every neighborhood. That's capitalism, money being like infused exactly,
and it just feels a little dystopian. I granted I
will hit the hot bar. I'm not above it. I
go every day. But it's just there's just this different shift,
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and it's that it's there's no Skylab in sports essence,
in anything anymore.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
We need Jackie to come back? Do we need her
to clean up lay get us in shape. The other
thing that's happening is you can tell that Jackie was
urged or felt cheered on, and maybe looking at Jillian
like to be a hard ass or to be a
This was around the trend of trainers should be bullies
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and kick your ass and make you and now it's
just the opposite. Like even at Barry's boot camp, they
will say, if you don't feel like doing this, you
you do whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Wow, I need to go back to Barrys right.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Now, because that was the thing you always felt kind
of like, Wow, I'm going to throw up. It doesn't
matter how great of shape you're in. At the end
of Barries, you're like, I am dying, and it's not
that's not their You might still feel that way, but
it's not their moo. They're not screaming at you. And
back to Jillian. They're showing clips. We're jumping back now
to the Biggest Loser documentary. They're so mean to these people,
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they're so they're they're mocking them, ridiculing. And I never
watched one episode of Biggest Loser. I still have never
watched it.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I don't think I didn't want to watch that, but
it was But it was at the time where shows
like that were still so meshed in our culture. We
still like I knew who Jillian Michaels was, I knew
who Bob Bob was. You know, it just was in
the mix in a way that was unavoidable. But I mean,
it's just it was also just such a different time
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for reality television. It just Yes, the snapshot of this
era is yes, really, I'm mesmerized by it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Watching the executive producers talk about how they formulated the show,
the guy's inception about seeing someone who needed help, and
hearing I've worked with producers like this. I've worked on big,
massive reality shows, and that is the way they talk,
and they they they're not bad people, but they're a
certain type and they're thinking, we need to shock, we
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need to have sensationalism, and then they can kind of
be like, well, I mean it was a big hit.
They're not really thinking I'm sorry, that was so mean.
I want to hear someone say I feel bad about
what we did.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Well. I don't know if you made it to the end,
but one of the contestants had said, like, I wish
there would have been sort of like an aftercare program
for contestants in which they provided mental health care, sort
of like an upkeep, like just some sort of so
you just weren't like up, up, up, and then just
full dip and you were thanks for your time, your devices, right, Yeah,
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And then the producer said, we're a television production company,
like we make television. We're not. That's not our responsibility.
But I see it from both sides. So as a
as a seasoned TV producer, what is your thought?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
That's that's how it is. I worked on Dance Your
Ass Off, which was a weight loss show with dance.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Dancing with the Stars mixed with.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Biggest Loser, and it was and Lisa and Walter created
the show. She's now on ABBED Elementary, and her thought
was always, if we're gonna do Biggest Loser, if we're
gonna do extreme weight loss, why don't we do it.
They're dancing, they're learning a skill, they're having fun. But
these people were only losing like five ten pounds. We
weren't losing one hundred and forty. And the vibe on
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set was a lot more kind and gentle and more
about having fun and celebrating personalities. No one was going
to the hospital. No one was saying, hey, like, sprinkle
a little ephedrine in your gatorade. You know, it wasn't
really happening like that. But on the same hand, it
the health was a different department. They hired a nurse,
(15:26):
they hired a medic, and we didn't really talk to them.
We were leaning back, showed those tootsies. Oh hold for
helicopter East la Is. By the way, we are at
my other rich export at Elysabith's house. Welcome to my home.
(15:49):
After this, we're going to skinny dip in the pool.
We're my other rich boyfriend's rich ex boyfriend's house. Where
was I What was I saying? Oh?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
What network? Was Dance your ass off?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
On? Off? Was on Oxygen? Marissa Jerman Oker hosted season
one and Melb hosted season two. Wow, and then it
was over Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
R ip Oxygen.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I know it's just like crime. Yeah. Crime. They used
to say their brand in their brand book was fat,
black and gay, and I always thought that was the
best branding.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, very forward.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And that's also what my that's what I want to watch.
I want to watch the things that are being targeted
for fat, black and gay. Yeah, that's my those are
my three interests. But that was that. I mean watching
the documentary. There's I only saw episode one or I
don't know if I even finished it, but I guess
there's more episodes company.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Okay, I finished it off last night, but there's you know,
we're starved for content, so it wouldn't be something that
I would like run to other than the fact that
there was nothing else to watch.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Well, and it's perfect time because we're talking about workout.
Yeah okay, So on two niche, your brilliant format is
you do different halls each week. From halls, okay, so
what is the new pivot? Okay?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
The new pivot is focusing on people who So it
used to be a niche topic and we would like
go deep on it. Now I bring in somebody who
is an expert in their niche and.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
We go deep, got it, got it, got it, got it?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So but because I really also like to weave in
like how did you find your path? Because you know me,
I'm always like really inspired and want the tea on
like how somebody found their way to their niche?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Well, I was going to say, what could we haul
from this episode? Okay, if you were going to do
a hall, what would we haul from this episode? I
would start with the dietician, the doctor's wig, the.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Doctor's wig, and then we need to get into Sunfair
because Sunfair their meal plan that they sponsored all of
the Skylab contestants. What are they their clients? Clients?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Sunfair is still alive and well, and their food is delicious.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I remember it. I remember hearing about it. The guy
comes in, he's a represented from Sunfair, and in my
notes I write, I don't I don't want to hear
about it. I want to get to lesbian Cruz, you
want to get to lesbian There was too much help.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, but Sunfair. It was so happy to report they're
still around. My neighbor gets them and he goes to
New York a lot, so he'll always be like, Elizabeth,
you can have it.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And is it just organic?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
It's locale prepared food that's like protein heavy.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
That's great. Maybe I should do Sunfair good.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It tastes really good. It doesn't look amazing like when
you get it.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
They never do, but it's delish.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
And I was like, Sunfair, Yes, I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Going to try Sunfair. I was paying for catered fit
and no shade. I mean, they really did well for
a few months, but I got really tired of it.
I did factor meals and the sodiums too much. So
maybe Sunfair is.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
The way to go, way to go. And I was
tickled to know that they've been around as long as
they have.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Jackie all So said she she thinks that the show
was canceled because nobody wanted to see people work out.
They just wanted the drama, the personal life and stuff
like that. And I, since we're in the moment and
I hadn't even gotten to season three, I was to
only in season one at the time, I was like,
that is what we want totally. And I know your
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business is that you want to help people, but your
television entertainment, uh persona or your viability is that you're
a hot lesbian who is also like slightly toxic adjacent.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, she's also kissing everybody she's kissing a point to
get into that. In this episode, they really.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Say it too. Not only does she have an affair
with Rebecca, they say, if you're hired, it should be
in your contract that you have to kiss Jackie. That
is a.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Lawsuit, right, you know, I just love that that could
be said just all willy nilly back at bloish.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah right, they said that it comes out that she
kissed Augustina, who's a brand new employee.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, and double make care.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And Jackie says, well, I hope that everyone here hooks
up all week, and I like it's you know, Lizo
was taken to court because her backup answer says that
she was egging them on sexually at strip clubs and stuff,
and Jack came into the strip club with people she took.
She's taking these straight girls on a lesbian cruise, saying
I want you to hook up and let chaos in unfold.
It's amazing next week and I look back at it
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with forgiveness. Actually, I think they were responding to the
world at the moment. I think if they were on
TV right now, they wouldn't be saying that shit, not
because they don't they want to and they can't, but
because it's just not where we are.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And there's also the thing that worked about that show
in that particular time frame time period was that it
was an interesting setup. What are hot trainers in LA like?
What is their life like? That seems so amazing. Now
we can just get on TikTok and get a dose
so that when ever, but this is like a slice
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of life experience that a lot of people I think
found intriguing. That isn't probably wouldn't scratch an itch in
this era.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Do you follow a lot of fitness influencer types?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think because like post being you know so immeshed
in the wellness world. I don't really follow much of
any of it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah I have, I've started unfollowing. You know. When I
got sober, I really wanted to get in shape and
change my health profile as it were, and I saturated
my feed with these bodybuilders and you know a lot
of like straight toxic masculinity bros. And they you know
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who gave me that tip was Ryan Surhan. He was like,
I follow squat. He's like, I follow squat techniques. That's
what he follows. So he has a great ass and
he does squats well. And I was like, oh, if
I saturate my feed, I will become what I'm looking
at always, which is good in some ways, but after
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too long it takes.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
A toxic toll totally. But you were like vision boarding it.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I was, It's exactly right. I was vision boarding it.
And once I realized I don't want to fill my
feed with the reminder to I don't know. It's not
that it's like, you know, the classic unattainable beauty standards,
and like I think for girls, it's worse for guys.
It's like, Okay, I want to do a squat like that.
I want to ask like that guy, I'll do this
workout for girls and beauty. You know, I think it's worse.
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I think it's harder.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
That's accurate, Yeah, I would say, yeah. I try to
just follow friends and their stuff that they're supporting or
that they're doing to support them, and then like cooking
things and astrology stuff. But it's harder and harder to
follow our friends. Now, we were talking about that earlier.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
The algorithm doesn't want you to see your friends makes
me sad. I don't know what I'm looking at and.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It's not what I want to be seeing. That's that's
the problem. If it was I'm seeking Instagram specific, it's TikTok.
I feel like knows my soul and they're like, we're
just going to give you what you need right now. Instagram,
on the other hand, is they have shot the bed.
In my opinion, they've gone the wrong route. Need They
are trying to be something that they aren't, that no
one wants from them, and it's messy and I don't
(23:25):
like it. And that's my stance.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
How crazy is it that they didn't have social media
on workout?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's amazing. So when I worked for Rachel, we ran
her social media, so we tweeted for her. And at
the time there was Facebook, and then there was a
thing called Posteris that was pre that basically was like
a blog where you could from your phone post photos,
posterist posterss okay, and so that was pre Instagram.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
How was Rachel to work for.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
She was great?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Okay, all right, No, I mean excited.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I am excited for Beverly Hills. I think that. No,
I really it was the best opportunity. I was hired
by Rachel to run her brand when I was twenty
four years old. It was myself and one other higher
and essentially she had had some negative press with like
the I think like with her clients being super skinny
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and all of this, right, so they wanted to create
a hub of information for her where she could express
her expertise and really, I think control the narrative. More smart,
very smart. And Roger had been an investor in a
website called Who What Where, which has become, you know,
a massive brand, but at the time it was a
(24:44):
blog where it was featuring a daily in your inbox,
like what celebrities were wearing on the red carpet, or
like a hop ratsy or whatever. So the whole idea
and to maximize ad dollars, was to do a daily
newsletter in your inbox and it would be one item
that Rachel thinks is cool and then essentially a dupe,
so a more affordable thing. Excuse me. That was in
(25:06):
the same light, so we conceptualize that. I ran it.
It was amazing. It was amazing, and I think the
biggest thing. You know, a lot of times when you're young,
people want to say, like, you don't know what you're
talking about, but I was her demographic, yeah, and I
was able to really harness that and help build something
and it was so cool. I didn't really interface with
her that much. It was more day to day with Roger.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Right, what do you think it's going to be like
on Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I mean, it's fascinating. I know, I feel I saw
this and I agree with it. Recession indicator, yeah, very much,
very much. But I think that Beverly Hills needed some
life support and I think that she is the perfect
thing to just like amphetamine boost make it interesting, right,
(25:56):
So I'm excited for that. I think she certainly probably
has a story to tell, and I hope she gets
into it. But I also think it's going to be
interesting her going from being an executive producer on her
own show to not. But I don't know what the
deal is that she has with being able to I mean,
you could probably speak more to how that could go,
but you know, not being able to control the narrative
(26:18):
traditionally as a housewife. But maybe she I don't know,
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
That's an interesting thought. Yeah, I mean, no housewife will
ever be an ep SO and that's kind of the
gig exactly. But she's savvy enough to I think people
now they can control the narrative as best they can
by not saying anything they don't want to say. And
it's also the downfall of reality is people being too
(26:44):
censored but measured. You're happening with New York and I.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Mean, we're never going to have it. Social media has
ruined the reality TV space. We're never going to have
it like we had it, and I think we just
need to like go with it and let it evolve
into like what it is, which apparently is an opportunity
for people whose star might be sunsetting to come back
and like be back in the zeitgeist. Especially but I
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do have a bit of Rachel Zoe project related tea
that goes back to workout that I think might be
little known.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Tell us the tea Erica Jane then Erica.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Jane No Erica Erica on workout? Do you know where
her sister is?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Taylor Jacobson, Rachel Zoe's assistant, the blund No.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Way right, Wow, what a small world.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That a small world. Taylor told me that, and I
remember being like.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
What, I had no idea when I.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Feel like this is very little known information. But they
talk the same.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I have really come to like Erica this season. The
first couple of seasons she was a little bit like
you're something. Now I think she's hilarious. She's kind of
dry I and she's great.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Very similar to Taylor. Yeah, and I loved Taylor. I
loved Brad. They were a blast.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh yeah. And Brad is like coming into his porn
stash seventies like Magnum p I Daddy Daddy phase. Hopefully
we all do well. I was telling you that I
have speaking of stash, are you you want to move
out of the sun for a second. Okay, we'll do
like we'll do like seven more minutes and then we'll
get you back inside because she has beautiful skin, fair skin,
(28:29):
And I just did a chemical peel. I can't be
crusting out, Oh you can't. I have scrubbed my Instagram
of slutty porny, projecting that to the okay, to the world.
And so when I saw that, I was like, you
know what, We're all kind of doing it. And the
impetus when you feel like you look good is just
to like throw it out there.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I can't wait to get to my slutty porny era.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
No, you don't need to get there, La. That's the thing, LA.
And social media has turned everyone into a dirty whore.
I was at the I was at the Grove yesterday
and every single person there was dressed like not just
a whore, a street walking slut, a street walker. Something
Sam Pancakes said to me that I'll never forget. There
is a difference between an outfit and a get up.
(29:16):
These girls were in get ups. It was strings and
straps and thongs. And they're at the goddamn mall. Yeah,
they're going in the Max Store with get ups on.
They're in a get up like I saw some get ups.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, it's tragic. Out there.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's bad, but I think like the grove has exploded
because of TikTok. It's re exploded. It's exploded. That's many
explosions over the years, and it's in one right now.
I don't know when the last time is you went there.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I haven't been since the Newsara.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Two weeks ago. I went with Carrie and Laura to
see weapons. There was a line from the Grove ballet
on the Grove Drive all the way down to Third,
all the way up Fairfax and a round Beverly for
a sixteen year old TikToker sweatshirt line called like Pink
(30:06):
Puffy Paint Power And it was the ugliest shit I've
ever seen and the nastiest people in a bunch of
fucking get ups. And I was like, this is the apocalypse.
That was by the way, seven am, I sent a
video I was going to the gym. I was like,
what is happening? We're supposed to see this movie later
today and this better be cleared out by the time
we get there. It wasn't. I don't know. I just
(30:29):
La and everyone dresses like from.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
A weird zone. Right now. La is in a weird shift.
The shift in the entertainment industry is somebody had asked me,
because you know, I'm from Michigan and I was just
there for a month, and someone had asked, like, what
changed in Detroit? And I said it was the car industry.
And I said, similar to like, what's happening here?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, it's freaky and dark, but we are the light.
Let's wrap up the episode. If we're gonna haul other stuff,
we would do the Olivia lesbian Cruisie Is.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I was like, to go on this cruise.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
They showed, They show Jackie to her room. She's in
like the presidential suite or whatever, and she says, I
was expecting a tiny little box and I was like,
of course, that's what you expect to hear on a
lesbian cruise. Like, don't make that show.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
But this that's funny. But this to me is like
did you see for instance? Also I would I would
haul to the Sunfair is the product placement, but it
was propel, the propel exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Pelle finally got a credit. The early episodes. I was like, damn,
they're littering propel everywhere. And finally at the end credits,
it says promotional consideration.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
And the cruises, but you could tell. But I like
that these are like smaller brands. It reminds me of
when drag Race had the Interior Illusions out and Interior
Illusion is an interior design store in West Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
When it was just like kind of scrappier and sort
of like throwing stuff of.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
And I love that. Whoever's getting that, sure, but I
just like it was so much more scrappy is the
word that that comes to mind. Yeah, And I love
that because it's we didn't have as much proof of concept.
It was just we're just changing stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Toy spelling. When I produced her show, there were brands
throwing shit at us left and right. We didn't even
have to give a credit. They just wanted it in
the shot caffeinated vodka. What is that weight loss Nutri system?
She was supposed to She was paid a million dollars
I think to lose baby weight or something by the
(32:32):
end of a certain time and only by Nutri system.
She didn't do it in time or something, so she
put on a sauna suit and just was doing wind
sprints in Temecula to make that baby weight so she
could get the million dollars and I was like, this
is a harbinger of the end times toy. And then
I took home all the nutri system. I was like,
I'll take it. And that shit has a shelf life
(32:54):
of five hundred years.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Get it out.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
What else do we call? The big drama comes when
Jackie is on the cruise and crashes Rebecca's boot camp.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I love see. I loved this because the one thing
I cringed, well, just you know this, but like I
only had the lens through working for Rachel and my
side was digital, so we didn't really have the cameras
around us. But I was privy to watching the producer
come in and say, okay, Roja, you're gonna walk in
(33:28):
and you're gonna talk about this, and so at a
very young age, I was able to know how these
things were set up right, but not everybody has, you know,
a lens to so to me, I felt like, I mean,
the camera was behind the bar right that you could
tell the producer was like, weren't you so upset about
her crashing the thing? And you know, so those those
(33:51):
are the things that exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I also think the actual crashing the boot camp was
not set up or fake, but I think they were
like Jackie was the star. They were like, you'll surprise
the ladies in boot camp. It seemed like a natural
thing to do, and then it was built out to
be drama. Also, these girls are on a trip on
a lesbian cruise for a week. By the way, that's
(34:14):
six days too long. Maybe one day on a cruise.
I will never go on a cruise. No, like they
had to come up with some sort of drama and
they cliff hang it on. Oh, they're mad at Jackie
for crashing the book and who gives a shit. Did
you watch the Poop Cruise documentary on Netflix? No?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I couldn't. I watched the trailer.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
And I said, nope, I have never been on a cruise.
I will never go on a cruise. And especially after
watching the Poop Cruise documentary, that's never going to check.
You're never gonna get me on a boat where I
can't escape.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It's terrifying. I think about remember that story during COVID,
how these cruise ships were just like they couldn't bring
them back.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Nope, and you're stuck on a cruise in a little
coffin cabin with peop. Well, you may hate.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I can't be that close to people. Like imagine all
those people in get ups at the grove and you're
stuck with them on a boat. I would jump, I
would jump.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
The grove is so cruise adjacent.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It's cruise, it's a landlocked.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
It's people going for the buffet.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
It's Noah's disgusting arc.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, it's bad the buffet, But I do love it
during Christmas when it's nos I will say that to
me when for Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Remember, I mean it has a special place in my heart.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, but it needs you need to go on like
a Wednesday morning.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
We also went Christmas Day to Beyonce the year her
movie that was a nice That was the Americana though, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Which is the same thing.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I know, its.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Property, They're giving the same energy, but the holiday energy.
That's when I'll say okay. But there were I remember
being shocked at how many people, Like every store was
closed and there were just people walking around.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Also, we were shocked yesterday looking all these horrors people are.
They just go there and they lay out on the
grass and just lie down on the floor of that
because it's they think it's nice. It's not as disgusting.
Dogs are pissing there. It's a dog park, by the way,
everyone brings their dog. I have the most well behaved
dog in the world. I don't bring him because I'm
(36:14):
respectful and I'm courteous, but people are bringing their dogs also.
I don't know if I've ever said this on this podcast,
but the grove resides on top of a methane reserve.
And if you look in the movie theaters, there's these
little sensors for methane because it's basically the Thebria's harpits
and at any moment, it is possible that the grove
can just explode in a bomb of farts. A methane
(36:38):
is fart gas. And so when I look at these people,
when I look at these people wheeling their babies and strollers,
bringing their dogs laying on the ground, I'm like, you're
trapesing around over just a fart tank and we're all
going to explode and die. It does. It has a
dark energy, like fossils are buried in the tar. Anyway,
(37:01):
the grove shout out to the grove sponsor us, if
you like, let's wrap up so we can get you
out of the sun. Okay, what what are what are
our final thoughts? On Workout Episode two, Season three.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I just felt like it was a real combo. It
was giving us and drama and drama.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
It was giving us weight loss.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Biggest Loser, It was giving us a time capsule of la.
It was a joy and I it made me really
nostalgic for the format, the era, the haircut that Jackie has.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You know, all of her haircut has fallen.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Now it's it's a little less severe.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yes, it's good.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I've been saying it a little less Sally Hirshberger and
a little more Sally Hershberger.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, exactly, and then send us out with a final thought. Also,
Elizabeth teaches a course or guides a course. How do
you refer to it?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
As I would say, iach it at this point like
a spa.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, I really creative.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Create the container and then let people do their own thing.
But I'm always there for them to talk it through.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I took Elizabeths course, The Artist's Way, her Artist's Way course,
the first one you did, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
So's It's now called Club Artist's Wall, Club Artists Way.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
It changed my life. I wouldn't be here without it.
It changed the course of my life and I need
to do it again because I've lost my way Artist Artist.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Then three times a year, it's a thirteen weeks experience
where each week we meet on Zoom and we talk
through the book The Artist Way, which is a twelve
week pro process essentially where you discover your creativity.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
You don't have to be any certain thing. Anybody can
do it, but it really just gets you in touch
with the voice that for me, I had stopped listening
to because I think I should be this in life,
I should be working more at this, I should be
doing this. This is what people think of me, so
I should give them this. It removes all of that shit.
You get back to one on one stuff. It's easy
(39:05):
stuff to do. You write in the morning, you spend
a little time with yourself. That's pretty much the action.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
It's really I think there's this the and it's a cult,
and it's a cult, but you know, it's like really
about setting personal goals for yourself. Once you have those
private victories, as they say in some habits for highly
successful people, once you have those private victories, the public
victories start to happen. And it's really a way of
(39:31):
showing up for yourself and setting these little goals and
starting to work that muscle of like, oh, I can
set my mind to something and achieve it. And maybe
that's just like writing in the morning. Maybe that's just
taking myself on an artist state. Maybe that's just showing
up to this call and like participating in the conversation.
But you just move out of your comfort zone. The
ego always wants to keep us safe. We never want
to try something new because we're like this. And then
(39:53):
once we can do that, we relax into it, relax
into life a bit more, and then just the magic
starts happening.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Your life will change. There's a moment in the chorus
where it says, Okay, around this time, the music you
like will sound different, the food you like will taste different,
and the clothes you're wearing may feel like they fit differently.
And right when that happened, that did happen just because
you're starting to be honest with yourself about things that
you stopped being honest with yourself about that you're scared
(40:20):
to admit. You know, you're asking yourself these tough questions
that aren't that tough, they feel tough because we've stopped
asking them, like what do I like? What do I want?
We stopped asking ourselves that we're doing of color? See
I don't even.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Know right, Like just these things of like what makes
you happy? What do you like doing? Like just these
things where it's inviting you to sit down and write
that out and talk and then I create a space
where people can talk about this.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
When I did it for each other, I wrote, I
started performing my solo show, which I did for I'm
still doing and have done for two and a half years.
I booked a gig in a ers room on a
TV show that got picked up, and then did a
voice for that same show. Just all the things. I
credit the artist's way, and especially specifically your course with
(41:10):
changing the course of my life. And it really all
it was is just getting me back to things I
had forgotten.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
And it's just a challenging process to do by yourself.
So many people make it to week three, week four
and stop because they have nothing holding them accountable. And
the method that I use, like really brings people together
and people enjoy.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I'm gonna kill whoever has that motor? Why would you
ever have a motor that loud? Who is I want
to know the personality type small dick. What if it's
a lesbian big dick.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Okay, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
There's a transphobic joke. Jesse has made them twice about Jackie,
like referring to her like having a penis, and it's
another example.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, you can't make they don't make good to me anymore.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Come on, it's bad.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
I don't know. It's really again a time capsule, but
to your point, just like being able to show up
for yourself and this container where it really people are
excited to show up and talk. And I just think
that hosting podcasts for as long as I have really
primed and also communicating ideas that we're all about self
(42:21):
betterment because I, you know, I talk a lot about
wellness and you know all the fun things that bring
us joy. So like being able to take those ideas
and just like create conversation around this one thing and
bettering our creativity. And then I started Studio Hours, which
is for anyone who's done the artist way before. It
sort of continues that without diving back into the book
(42:42):
so much, but taking like the greatest hits and like
keeping the conversation and the accountability going.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
So wow, it's cool I feel so lucky to be
your friend.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
I feel so lucky to be your friend, so grateful
for you. I love you, Thanks for having.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Me, thank you for doing it, and please.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Come back anytime.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I love you so much. Go listen to a niche.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
That was great.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
You're just the best. Welcome back. Here's the surprise. Next week,
I'm going to do a bottle episode. I'm going to
depart from workout, just to stretch out the season just
a little bit longer because we're almost to the finish line.
Danny Pellegrino is going to be on an episode in
the next couple of weeks, but I'm going to take
a departure. And I know it's random, but next week
(43:28):
I'm going to do a show Pony exclusive review of
one of my favorite films of all time, Basic Instinct two.
If you have any thoughts, feelings, concerns, questions, or answers,
go ahead and send them my way. There's this one
part where Sharon Stone walks out of her room and
(43:49):
her kimono opens and one titty falls out, but it's
meant to be sexy, but it's not. She also gets
fingered in a car. All right, anyway, I digress, stay tuned,
Tell your friends about the podcast, share it, subscribe it,
link it, do whatever. I need more people to listen.
I'm just gonna be honest. Okay, help a bitch out.
(44:11):
See you next week. Everybody watch Based Against You two.
If you like my haircut,
Hello. If this podcast was a baby, she'd be able
to vote by now. Happy birthday, Happy eighteenth episode to
(00:33):
my little baby Show Pony. Today, I have the distinct
pleasure of welcoming the woman who helped create this podcast,
the woman who sparked the creation, Elizabeth Cott, of the
World's Coolest Podcast to niche. You know it's not too niche,
my dick. No, but really though, Andy and I are
on vacation for the next few weeks, so I know
(00:53):
you haven't been able to get my up to the
minute breaking headlines on Serious XM. But rest assured the
world is still crazy. Jason Momoa almost drowned. Calvin Harris
posted a picture of his cock. Scientists are saying that
if you want to get rid of ants in your yard,
just go out and piss on the ant hills. Just
go out on your lawn and take a big piss,
(01:14):
a big daddy piss right all over all the ant hills.
I think scientists are playing with us. They found woodchips
and cookies. I had to find out about Little Tay,
and I wish I hadn't. The World's Ugliest Dog winner
is actually very cute. People are odeing on Cradam from
gas stations. All that, plus the alien spaceship that's coming
(01:34):
our way is still on course to reach us by November,
so you know what that means. I'm going to have
about two months to get all the pumpkin spice in
La pumped inside of me before the aliens suck me
up into their spaceship and probe me. Let's get started.
Shall we enjoy my backyard Bravo break Fuck you fucking asshole.
(01:58):
I'm gonna fuck fucking die sorry about that. Let's get started.
(02:19):
Shall we enjoy my backyard Bravo breakdown with two Niches
own Elizabeth Kott. We cover everything from the Biggest Loser
documentary on Netflix to this episode of Workout, which is
season three, episode two, and I have a special surprise
in store for you after this episode, so make sure
to stay tuned. Enjoy.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, Elizabeth Kott. Welcome to the show.
We're starting Surprise, We've started Surprise. Hi, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Wait. I have to differentiate every time I speak to
someone that I'm friends with, truly truly friends with that
now we're performing on the podcast, so I don't want
to say anything that is for off air. Okay, welcome
to the show Things you Should Know About Elizabeth Kott.
(03:28):
You're the first person who introduced me to podcasts ever.
Your first podcast that's so retrograde was Iconic, Trailblazing, legendary
and now too Niche now to Nie, the best title
of any podcasts and the best podcast thank you, and
the prettiest host. Oh well, I'm trying to leave my
(03:50):
feet out so that I.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Might do a shoes off moment too.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm inspired if you do shoes off, yeah, we'll get
more attention. Okay, do you mind that like old men
are jerking off to your feet because you know, I
have so many old men watching this show on YouTube.
Of that? Are you on wiki feed? I'm not hold
for plane. Are you sure you're not on wiki.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Feet I've never checked, but you're on it.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm sure you're on it. I'm on it okay. And
I don't even have my feet out that much. Okay,
you're also this is huge. Elizabeth Cott is the first
person who mentioned workout to me. We were going to
see Beyonce at Christmas or no, this was this past year.
We were going to see that movie. No, we were
(04:34):
going to see one one fine day or one of
them days. We were going to see one of them
days and we were in the Americana Parking garage. I said,
I want to do a show, a vintage Bravo rewatch,
and I'm going to start with Tabitha. And you turn
to me in my car. I'll never forget it, and
(04:55):
you were like, you should start with workout.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
That's right. And here we are.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Here, we are three babies, eighteen episodes and we're in
the middle of almost in the middle of season three. Yeah,
before we jump into what this is episode two that
we're on. Now, take me back. First of all, Elizabeth,
you're you were you are from Vintage Bravo World, You're
from rachel Zo. Take me back to that era in
LA and and just give me your workout logline.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Okay, So, first of all, be living in LA while
these shows were on was so important. It was so cool.
I remember seeing Jackie I called Workout Jackie's Gym, That's
what the show is called to me, and I remember
seeing her. I can't remember if it was at Hugo's,
but I want to say it might have been at
(05:45):
that Crunch gym outside that Crunch sunset and San Vicente.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yes, that like that sunset five.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yes, that area. I think that's where I might have
seen her, and I was so excited. I just loved.
I mean that era. The million Dollar Decorator was the
bat like, I just love all of these.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Was million dollar Decorator around the same time. Why do
I feel that that was later? I guess it was
the Mary McDonald's one. Yeah, you're right because season three
of workout where we are two thousand and nine ish,
because the season one was two thousand and six, season
two and seven, So yeah, eight nine, I guess that's right.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah. I want to get my phone because I know
we have notes.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Oh yeah, we have notes. I took notes on the
episode and my phone is being used to record this,
so Elizabeth is going to step in as the lead
holder of the notes. And because my memory can't be
counted on for shit, I also took note in this
is like a double header or triple header in addition
(06:48):
to covering. I don't love to recap, but I just
hit the highlights. People who gives a shit? We're talking
about the concept in general. But we did watch and
took take notes on episode two. But you mentioned have
you watched the Biggest Loser documentary on Netflix. I hadn't
even heard of it. I turned on Netflix. It just
came out.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It just came out. I've just starved for content, so
like anything, right, I'm just like, give me something, even
though like I barely cared about it. But what was
so interesting is I was reminded of your episode with
Jackie and how she had a lot of tea around
Jillian Michaels that I found to be quite piping. And
(07:28):
then a lot of what she said in terms of
Jillian's personality was very much reflected in this documentary, and
I felt like I had like an inside eye having
listened to your show.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I have to be careful about how I slept. I
had a nightmare about this. I had a nightmare about
you and I recording this podcast right now and me
being too mean to Jillian. Okay, I hate her, so
you sitting here doesn't mean you co sign what I'm saying.
But she's such a piece of shit because of this
like anti gay stuff. She's doing this like pride. I
(08:05):
hate gay pride. Pride. We should do a way with
gay pride like this anti gay being a rich lesbian
gay hating Maga type really upsets me and I hate her. Okay,
I'm sorry, Julian, and I hope you have light and
peace in your life. But watching this documentary The Biggest
(08:25):
Loser on Netflix, what is it? Is there a name
to the documentary called fat TV fit for TV?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I don't know. I don't retain that.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well, it is kind of crazy. It's crazy timing because
here we are at episode two and the entire episode
is a huge redirect. You can one thing Jackie said
on this show is that in season three she really
wanted to show that life coaching like changing people's lives.
And you can tell the trend was because Biggest Loser
(08:56):
was big.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
This episode went full on Biggest Loser. They had the
same Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Doctor Oh, I wrote his name down Vhongwei Shwangwei.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Let's see here.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
My not is a very stream of consciousness. Might just
are like, yeah, that sucks. It was Ving.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Shwei doctor h is what I wrote down.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, but well anyway, I wrote down, how are you
going to come in here and call people fat and
look at pictures of them in the fetal position and
then say they have backfat and all this stuff with
hair like that he looks like shit he had with
a wig like that. You're going to come in here
and criticize people's appearances.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, no, it it was this format pivot. Granted I
only remember watching the show like in its original airing. Yeah,
so I don't, but I assume that it was a
very jarring shift.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It was a drawing shift, and it made me bummed
because I know you're not sitting at home watching Workout again.
You watched it when it aired, but it's not like
this usually. And this is also the episode where they
take a lesbian cruise and I was just like, all
we want is the lesbian cruise. We don't need this,
we don't need this other stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And the messus.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yes, JD, who's very familiar to me, I feel like
we met at some point, felt familiar.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
To me too. It's just there's something about this show
feels such an la time capsule, I know, and it's
it makes me very nostalgic.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Me too. When it first started, there were no iPhones,
so I'm thinking back to that time. I didn't even know.
It's crazy. And the places they go to, like the
last episode they went to Geisha House, right, do you
remember Geisha House, they went some they went to blowfish Sushi.
This episode, I remember I hadn't thought about in so long.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
And also it's almost like, and you know sky livensports
small business, small business, we don't have that anymore. No,
it's truly like venture capitalism has taken over Los Angeles
in a way. And I've been thinking about this and
I feel the best example, I'm working this thought out
(11:10):
in real time. So but it's like the the air
wonification of every neighborhood. That's capitalism, money being like infused exactly,
and it just feels a little dystopian. I granted I
will hit the hot bar. I'm not above it. I
go every day. But it's just there's just this different shift,
(11:33):
and it's that it's there's no Skylab in sports essence,
in anything anymore.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
We need Jackie to come back? Do we need her
to clean up lay get us in shape. The other
thing that's happening is you can tell that Jackie was
urged or felt cheered on, and maybe looking at Jillian
like to be a hard ass or to be a
This was around the trend of trainers should be bullies
(12:01):
and kick your ass and make you and now it's
just the opposite. Like even at Barry's boot camp, they
will say, if you don't feel like doing this, you
you do whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Wow, I need to go back to Barrys right.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Now, because that was the thing you always felt kind
of like, Wow, I'm going to throw up. It doesn't
matter how great of shape you're in. At the end
of Barries, you're like, I am dying, and it's not
that's not their You might still feel that way, but
it's not their moo. They're not screaming at you. And
back to Jillian. They're showing clips. We're jumping back now
to the Biggest Loser documentary. They're so mean to these people,
(12:38):
they're so they're they're mocking them, ridiculing. And I never
watched one episode of Biggest Loser. I still have never
watched it.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I don't think I didn't want to watch that, but
it was But it was at the time where shows
like that were still so meshed in our culture. We
still like I knew who Jillian Michaels was, I knew
who Bob Bob was. You know, it just was in
the mix in a way that was unavoidable. But I mean,
it's just it was also just such a different time
(13:08):
for reality television. It just Yes, the snapshot of this
era is yes, really, I'm mesmerized by it.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Watching the executive producers talk about how they formulated the show,
the guy's inception about seeing someone who needed help, and
hearing I've worked with producers like this. I've worked on big,
massive reality shows, and that is the way they talk,
and they they they're not bad people, but they're a
certain type and they're thinking, we need to shock, we
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need to have sensationalism, and then they can kind of
be like, well, I mean it was a big hit.
They're not really thinking I'm sorry, that was so mean.
I want to hear someone say I feel bad about
what we did.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Well. I don't know if you made it to the end,
but one of the contestants had said, like, I wish
there would have been sort of like an aftercare program
for contestants in which they provided mental health care, sort
of like an upkeep, like just some sort of so
you just weren't like up, up, up, and then just
full dip and you were thanks for your time, your devices, right, Yeah,
(14:15):
And then the producer said, we're a television production company,
like we make television. We're not. That's not our responsibility.
But I see it from both sides. So as a
as a seasoned TV producer, what is your thought?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
That's that's how it is. I worked on Dance Your
Ass Off, which was a weight loss show with dance.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Dancing with the Stars mixed with.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Biggest Loser, and it was and Lisa and Walter created
the show. She's now on ABBED Elementary, and her thought
was always, if we're gonna do Biggest Loser, if we're
gonna do extreme weight loss, why don't we do it.
They're dancing, they're learning a skill, they're having fun. But
these people were only losing like five ten pounds. We
weren't losing one hundred and forty. And the vibe on
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set was a lot more kind and gentle and more
about having fun and celebrating personalities. No one was going
to the hospital. No one was saying, hey, like, sprinkle
a little ephedrine in your gatorade. You know, it wasn't
really happening like that. But on the same hand, it
the health was a different department. They hired a nurse,
(15:26):
they hired a medic, and we didn't really talk to them.
We were leaning back, showed those tootsies. Oh hold for
helicopter East la Is. By the way, we are at
my other rich export at Elysabith's house. Welcome to my home.
(15:49):
After this, we're going to skinny dip in the pool.
We're my other rich boyfriend's rich ex boyfriend's house. Where
was I What was I saying? Oh?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
What network? Was Dance your ass off?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
On? Off? Was on Oxygen? Marissa Jerman Oker hosted season
one and Melb hosted season two. Wow, and then it
was over Wow.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
R ip Oxygen.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I know it's just like crime. Yeah. Crime. They used
to say their brand in their brand book was fat,
black and gay, and I always thought that was the
best branding.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, very forward.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
And that's also what my that's what I want to watch.
I want to watch the things that are being targeted
for fat, black and gay. Yeah, that's my those are
my three interests. But that was that. I mean watching
the documentary. There's I only saw episode one or I
don't know if I even finished it, but I guess
there's more episodes company.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Okay, I finished it off last night, but there's you know,
we're starved for content, so it wouldn't be something that
I would like run to other than the fact that
there was nothing else to watch.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Well, and it's perfect time because we're talking about workout.
Yeah okay, So on two niche, your brilliant format is
you do different halls each week. From halls, okay, so
what is the new pivot? Okay?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
The new pivot is focusing on people who So it
used to be a niche topic and we would like
go deep on it. Now I bring in somebody who
is an expert in their niche and.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
We go deep, got it, got it, got it, got it?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So but because I really also like to weave in
like how did you find your path? Because you know me,
I'm always like really inspired and want the tea on
like how somebody found their way to their niche?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Well, I was going to say, what could we haul
from this episode? Okay, if you were going to do
a hall, what would we haul from this episode? I
would start with the dietician, the doctor's wig, the.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Doctor's wig, and then we need to get into Sunfair
because Sunfair their meal plan that they sponsored all of
the Skylab contestants. What are they their clients? Clients?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Sunfair is still alive and well, and their food is delicious.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I remember it. I remember hearing about it. The guy
comes in, he's a represented from Sunfair, and in my
notes I write, I don't I don't want to hear
about it. I want to get to lesbian Cruz, you
want to get to lesbian There was too much help.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, but Sunfair. It was so happy to report they're
still around. My neighbor gets them and he goes to
New York a lot, so he'll always be like, Elizabeth,
you can have it.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And is it just organic?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
It's locale prepared food that's like protein heavy.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
That's great. Maybe I should do Sunfair good.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
It tastes really good. It doesn't look amazing like when
you get it.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
They never do, but it's delish.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
And I was like, Sunfair, Yes, I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Going to try Sunfair. I was paying for catered fit
and no shade. I mean, they really did well for
a few months, but I got really tired of it.
I did factor meals and the sodiums too much. So
maybe Sunfair is.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
The way to go, way to go. And I was
tickled to know that they've been around as long as
they have.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Jackie all So said she she thinks that the show
was canceled because nobody wanted to see people work out.
They just wanted the drama, the personal life and stuff
like that. And I, since we're in the moment and
I hadn't even gotten to season three, I was to
only in season one at the time, I was like,
that is what we want totally. And I know your
(19:20):
business is that you want to help people, but your
television entertainment, uh persona or your viability is that you're
a hot lesbian who is also like slightly toxic adjacent.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, she's also kissing everybody she's kissing a point to
get into that. In this episode, they really.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Say it too. Not only does she have an affair
with Rebecca, they say, if you're hired, it should be
in your contract that you have to kiss Jackie. That
is a.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Lawsuit, right, you know, I just love that that could
be said just all willy nilly back at bloish.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Yeah right, they said that it comes out that she
kissed Augustina, who's a brand new employee.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, and double make care.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
And Jackie says, well, I hope that everyone here hooks
up all week, and I like it's you know, Lizo
was taken to court because her backup answer says that
she was egging them on sexually at strip clubs and stuff,
and Jack came into the strip club with people she took.
She's taking these straight girls on a lesbian cruise, saying
I want you to hook up and let chaos in unfold.
It's amazing next week and I look back at it
(20:26):
with forgiveness. Actually, I think they were responding to the
world at the moment. I think if they were on
TV right now, they wouldn't be saying that shit, not
because they don't they want to and they can't, but
because it's just not where we are.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
And there's also the thing that worked about that show
in that particular time frame time period was that it
was an interesting setup. What are hot trainers in LA like?
What is their life like? That seems so amazing. Now
we can just get on TikTok and get a dose
so that when ever, but this is like a slice
(21:02):
of life experience that a lot of people I think
found intriguing. That isn't probably wouldn't scratch an itch in
this era.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Do you follow a lot of fitness influencer types?
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think because like post being you know so immeshed
in the wellness world. I don't really follow much of
any of it.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah I have, I've started unfollowing. You know. When I
got sober, I really wanted to get in shape and
change my health profile as it were, and I saturated
my feed with these bodybuilders and you know a lot
of like straight toxic masculinity bros. And they you know
(21:47):
who gave me that tip was Ryan Surhan. He was like,
I follow squat. He's like, I follow squat techniques. That's
what he follows. So he has a great ass and
he does squats well. And I was like, oh, if
I saturate my feed, I will become what I'm looking
at always, which is good in some ways, but after
(22:10):
too long it takes.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
A toxic toll totally. But you were like vision boarding it.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I was, It's exactly right. I was vision boarding it.
And once I realized I don't want to fill my
feed with the reminder to I don't know. It's not
that it's like, you know, the classic unattainable beauty standards,
and like I think for girls, it's worse for guys.
It's like, Okay, I want to do a squat like that.
I want to ask like that guy, I'll do this
workout for girls and beauty. You know, I think it's worse.
(22:37):
I think it's harder.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
That's accurate, Yeah, I would say, yeah. I try to
just follow friends and their stuff that they're supporting or
that they're doing to support them, and then like cooking
things and astrology stuff. But it's harder and harder to
follow our friends. Now, we were talking about that earlier.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
The algorithm doesn't want you to see your friends makes
me sad. I don't know what I'm looking at and.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
It's not what I want to be seeing. That's that's
the problem. If it was I'm seeking Instagram specific, it's TikTok.
I feel like knows my soul and they're like, we're
just going to give you what you need right now. Instagram,
on the other hand, is they have shot the bed.
In my opinion, they've gone the wrong route. Need They
are trying to be something that they aren't, that no
one wants from them, and it's messy and I don't
(23:25):
like it. And that's my stance.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
How crazy is it that they didn't have social media
on workout?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
It's amazing. So when I worked for Rachel, we ran
her social media, so we tweeted for her. And at
the time there was Facebook, and then there was a
thing called Posteris that was pre that basically was like
a blog where you could from your phone post photos,
posterist posterss okay, and so that was pre Instagram.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
How was Rachel to work for.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
She was great?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Okay, all right, No, I mean excited.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I am excited for Beverly Hills. I think that. No,
I really it was the best opportunity. I was hired
by Rachel to run her brand when I was twenty
four years old. It was myself and one other higher
and essentially she had had some negative press with like
the I think like with her clients being super skinny
(24:22):
and all of this, right, so they wanted to create
a hub of information for her where she could express
her expertise and really, I think control the narrative. More smart,
very smart. And Roger had been an investor in a
website called Who What Where, which has become, you know,
a massive brand, but at the time it was a
(24:44):
blog where it was featuring a daily in your inbox,
like what celebrities were wearing on the red carpet, or
like a hop ratsy or whatever. So the whole idea
and to maximize ad dollars, was to do a daily
newsletter in your inbox and it would be one item
that Rachel thinks is cool and then essentially a dupe,
so a more affordable thing. Excuse me. That was in
(25:06):
the same light, so we conceptualize that. I ran it.
It was amazing. It was amazing, and I think the
biggest thing. You know, a lot of times when you're young,
people want to say, like, you don't know what you're
talking about, but I was her demographic, yeah, and I
was able to really harness that and help build something
and it was so cool. I didn't really interface with
her that much. It was more day to day with Roger.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Right, what do you think it's going to be like
on Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I mean, it's fascinating. I know, I feel I saw
this and I agree with it. Recession indicator, yeah, very much,
very much. But I think that Beverly Hills needed some
life support and I think that she is the perfect
thing to just like amphetamine boost make it interesting, right,
(25:56):
So I'm excited for that. I think she certainly probably
has a story to tell, and I hope she gets
into it. But I also think it's going to be
interesting her going from being an executive producer on her
own show to not. But I don't know what the
deal is that she has with being able to I mean,
you could probably speak more to how that could go,
but you know, not being able to control the narrative
(26:18):
traditionally as a housewife. But maybe she I don't know,
I'm excited.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
That's an interesting thought. Yeah, I mean, no housewife will
ever be an ep SO and that's kind of the
gig exactly. But she's savvy enough to I think people
now they can control the narrative as best they can
by not saying anything they don't want to say. And
it's also the downfall of reality is people being too
(26:44):
censored but measured. You're happening with New York and I.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Mean, we're never going to have it. Social media has
ruined the reality TV space. We're never going to have
it like we had it, and I think we just
need to like go with it and let it evolve
into like what it is, which apparently is an opportunity
for people whose star might be sunsetting to come back
and like be back in the zeitgeist. Especially but I
(27:12):
do have a bit of Rachel Zoe project related tea
that goes back to workout that I think might be
little known.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Tell us the tea Erica Jane then Erica.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Jane No Erica Erica on workout? Do you know where
her sister is?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
No?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Taylor Jacobson, Rachel Zoe's assistant, the blund No.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Way right, Wow, what a small world.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
That a small world. Taylor told me that, and I
remember being like.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
What, I had no idea when I.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Feel like this is very little known information. But they
talk the same.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I have really come to like Erica this season. The
first couple of seasons she was a little bit like
you're something. Now I think she's hilarious. She's kind of
dry I and she's great.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Very similar to Taylor. Yeah, and I loved Taylor. I
loved Brad. They were a blast.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Oh yeah. And Brad is like coming into his porn
stash seventies like Magnum p I Daddy Daddy phase. Hopefully
we all do well. I was telling you that I
have speaking of stash, are you you want to move
out of the sun for a second. Okay, we'll do
like we'll do like seven more minutes and then we'll
get you back inside because she has beautiful skin, fair skin,
(28:29):
And I just did a chemical peel. I can't be
crusting out, Oh you can't. I have scrubbed my Instagram
of slutty porny, projecting that to the okay, to the world.
And so when I saw that, I was like, you
know what, We're all kind of doing it. And the
impetus when you feel like you look good is just
to like throw it out there.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I can't wait to get to my slutty porny era.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
No, you don't need to get there, La. That's the thing, LA.
And social media has turned everyone into a dirty whore.
I was at the I was at the Grove yesterday
and every single person there was dressed like not just
a whore, a street walking slut, a street walker. Something
Sam Pancakes said to me that I'll never forget. There
is a difference between an outfit and a get up.
(29:16):
These girls were in get ups. It was strings and
straps and thongs. And they're at the goddamn mall. Yeah,
they're going in the Max Store with get ups on.
They're in a get up like I saw some get ups.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, it's tragic. Out there.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's bad, but I think like the grove has exploded
because of TikTok. It's re exploded. It's exploded. That's many
explosions over the years, and it's in one right now.
I don't know when the last time is you went there.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I haven't been since the Newsara.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Two weeks ago. I went with Carrie and Laura to
see weapons. There was a line from the Grove ballet
on the Grove Drive all the way down to Third,
all the way up Fairfax and a round Beverly for
a sixteen year old TikToker sweatshirt line called like Pink
(30:06):
Puffy Paint Power And it was the ugliest shit I've
ever seen and the nastiest people in a bunch of
fucking get ups. And I was like, this is the apocalypse.
That was by the way, seven am, I sent a
video I was going to the gym. I was like,
what is happening? We're supposed to see this movie later
today and this better be cleared out by the time
we get there. It wasn't. I don't know. I just
(30:29):
La and everyone dresses like from.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
A weird zone. Right now. La is in a weird shift.
The shift in the entertainment industry is somebody had asked me,
because you know, I'm from Michigan and I was just
there for a month, and someone had asked, like, what
changed in Detroit? And I said it was the car industry.
And I said, similar to like, what's happening here?
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, it's freaky and dark, but we are the light.
Let's wrap up the episode. If we're gonna haul other stuff,
we would do the Olivia lesbian Cruisie Is.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I was like, to go on this cruise.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
They showed, They show Jackie to her room. She's in
like the presidential suite or whatever, and she says, I
was expecting a tiny little box and I was like,
of course, that's what you expect to hear on a
lesbian cruise. Like, don't make that show.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
But this that's funny. But this to me is like
did you see for instance? Also I would I would
haul to the Sunfair is the product placement, but it
was propel, the propel exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Pelle finally got a credit. The early episodes. I was like, damn,
they're littering propel everywhere. And finally at the end credits,
it says promotional consideration.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
And the cruises, but you could tell. But I like
that these are like smaller brands. It reminds me of
when drag Race had the Interior Illusions out and Interior
Illusion is an interior design store in West Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
When it was just like kind of scrappier and sort
of like throwing stuff of.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
And I love that. Whoever's getting that, sure, but I
just like it was so much more scrappy is the
word that that comes to mind. Yeah, And I love
that because it's we didn't have as much proof of concept.
It was just we're just changing stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Toy spelling. When I produced her show, there were brands
throwing shit at us left and right. We didn't even
have to give a credit. They just wanted it in
the shot caffeinated vodka. What is that weight loss Nutri system?
She was supposed to She was paid a million dollars
I think to lose baby weight or something by the
(32:32):
end of a certain time and only by Nutri system.
She didn't do it in time or something, so she
put on a sauna suit and just was doing wind
sprints in Temecula to make that baby weight so she
could get the million dollars and I was like, this
is a harbinger of the end times toy. And then
I took home all the nutri system. I was like,
I'll take it. And that shit has a shelf life
(32:54):
of five hundred years.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Get it out.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
What else do we call? The big drama comes when
Jackie is on the cruise and crashes Rebecca's boot camp.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I love see. I loved this because the one thing
I cringed, well, just you know this, but like I
only had the lens through working for Rachel and my
side was digital, so we didn't really have the cameras
around us. But I was privy to watching the producer
come in and say, okay, Roja, you're gonna walk in
(33:28):
and you're gonna talk about this, and so at a
very young age, I was able to know how these
things were set up right, but not everybody has, you know,
a lens to so to me, I felt like, I mean,
the camera was behind the bar right that you could
tell the producer was like, weren't you so upset about
her crashing the thing? And you know, so those those
(33:51):
are the things that exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I also think the actual crashing the boot camp was
not set up or fake, but I think they were
like Jackie was the star. They were like, you'll surprise
the ladies in boot camp. It seemed like a natural
thing to do, and then it was built out to
be drama. Also, these girls are on a trip on
a lesbian cruise for a week. By the way, that's
(34:14):
six days too long. Maybe one day on a cruise.
I will never go on a cruise. No, like they
had to come up with some sort of drama and
they cliff hang it on. Oh, they're mad at Jackie
for crashing the book and who gives a shit. Did
you watch the Poop Cruise documentary on Netflix? No?
Speaker 3 (34:29):
I couldn't. I watched the trailer.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
And I said, nope, I have never been on a cruise.
I will never go on a cruise. And especially after
watching the Poop Cruise documentary, that's never going to check.
You're never gonna get me on a boat where I
can't escape.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It's terrifying. I think about remember that story during COVID,
how these cruise ships were just like they couldn't bring
them back.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Nope, and you're stuck on a cruise in a little
coffin cabin with peop. Well, you may hate.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I can't be that close to people. Like imagine all
those people in get ups at the grove and you're
stuck with them on a boat. I would jump, I
would jump.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
The grove is so cruise adjacent.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
It's cruise, it's a landlocked.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
It's people going for the buffet.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
It's Noah's disgusting arc.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, it's bad the buffet, But I do love it
during Christmas when it's nos I will say that to
me when for Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Remember, I mean it has a special place in my heart.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, but it needs you need to go on like
a Wednesday morning.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
We also went Christmas Day to Beyonce the year her
movie that was a nice That was the Americana though, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Which is the same thing.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I know, its.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Property, They're giving the same energy, but the holiday energy.
That's when I'll say okay. But there were I remember
being shocked at how many people, Like every store was
closed and there were just people walking around.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Also, we were shocked yesterday looking all these horrors people are.
They just go there and they lay out on the
grass and just lie down on the floor of that
because it's they think it's nice. It's not as disgusting.
Dogs are pissing there. It's a dog park, by the way,
everyone brings their dog. I have the most well behaved
dog in the world. I don't bring him because I'm
(36:14):
respectful and I'm courteous, but people are bringing their dogs also.
I don't know if I've ever said this on this podcast,
but the grove resides on top of a methane reserve.
And if you look in the movie theaters, there's these
little sensors for methane because it's basically the Thebria's harpits
and at any moment, it is possible that the grove
can just explode in a bomb of farts. A methane
(36:38):
is fart gas. And so when I look at these people,
when I look at these people wheeling their babies and strollers,
bringing their dogs laying on the ground, I'm like, you're
trapesing around over just a fart tank and we're all
going to explode and die. It does. It has a
dark energy, like fossils are buried in the tar. Anyway,
(37:01):
the grove shout out to the grove sponsor us, if
you like, let's wrap up so we can get you
out of the sun. Okay, what what are what are
our final thoughts? On Workout Episode two, Season three.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
I just felt like it was a real combo. It
was giving us and drama and drama.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
It was giving us weight loss.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Biggest Loser, It was giving us a time capsule of la.
It was a joy and I it made me really
nostalgic for the format, the era, the haircut that Jackie has.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You know, all of her haircut has fallen.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Now it's it's a little less severe.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yes, it's good.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
I've been saying it a little less Sally Hirshberger and
a little more Sally Hershberger.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, exactly, and then send us out with a final thought. Also,
Elizabeth teaches a course or guides a course. How do
you refer to it?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
As I would say, iach it at this point like
a spa.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, I really creative.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Create the container and then let people do their own thing.
But I'm always there for them to talk it through.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I took Elizabeths course, The Artist's Way, her Artist's Way course,
the first one you did, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
So's It's now called Club Artist's Wall, Club Artists Way.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
It changed my life. I wouldn't be here without it.
It changed the course of my life and I need
to do it again because I've lost my way Artist Artist.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Then three times a year, it's a thirteen weeks experience
where each week we meet on Zoom and we talk
through the book The Artist Way, which is a twelve
week pro process essentially where you discover your creativity.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
You don't have to be any certain thing. Anybody can
do it, but it really just gets you in touch
with the voice that for me, I had stopped listening
to because I think I should be this in life,
I should be working more at this, I should be
doing this. This is what people think of me, so
I should give them this. It removes all of that shit.
You get back to one on one stuff. It's easy
(39:05):
stuff to do. You write in the morning, you spend
a little time with yourself. That's pretty much the action.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
It's really I think there's this the and it's a cult,
and it's a cult, but you know, it's like really
about setting personal goals for yourself. Once you have those
private victories, as they say in some habits for highly
successful people, once you have those private victories, the public
victories start to happen. And it's really a way of
(39:31):
showing up for yourself and setting these little goals and
starting to work that muscle of like, oh, I can
set my mind to something and achieve it. And maybe
that's just like writing in the morning. Maybe that's just
taking myself on an artist state. Maybe that's just showing
up to this call and like participating in the conversation.
But you just move out of your comfort zone. The
ego always wants to keep us safe. We never want
to try something new because we're like this. And then
(39:53):
once we can do that, we relax into it, relax
into life a bit more, and then just the magic
starts happening.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Your life will change. There's a moment in the chorus
where it says, Okay, around this time, the music you
like will sound different, the food you like will taste different,
and the clothes you're wearing may feel like they fit differently.
And right when that happened, that did happen just because
you're starting to be honest with yourself about things that
you stopped being honest with yourself about that you're scared
(40:20):
to admit. You know, you're asking yourself these tough questions
that aren't that tough, they feel tough because we've stopped
asking them, like what do I like? What do I want?
We stopped asking ourselves that we're doing of color? See
I don't even.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Know right, Like just these things of like what makes
you happy? What do you like doing? Like just these
things where it's inviting you to sit down and write
that out and talk and then I create a space
where people can talk about this.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
When I did it for each other, I wrote, I
started performing my solo show, which I did for I'm
still doing and have done for two and a half years.
I booked a gig in a ers room on a
TV show that got picked up, and then did a
voice for that same show. Just all the things. I
credit the artist's way, and especially specifically your course with
(41:10):
changing the course of my life. And it really all
it was is just getting me back to things I
had forgotten.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
And it's just a challenging process to do by yourself.
So many people make it to week three, week four
and stop because they have nothing holding them accountable. And
the method that I use, like really brings people together
and people enjoy.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
I'm gonna kill whoever has that motor? Why would you
ever have a motor that loud? Who is I want
to know the personality type small dick. What if it's
a lesbian big dick.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Okay, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
There's a transphobic joke. Jesse has made them twice about Jackie,
like referring to her like having a penis, and it's
another example.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, you can't make they don't make good to me anymore.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Come on, it's bad.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
I don't know. It's really again a time capsule, but
to your point, just like being able to show up
for yourself and this container where it really people are
excited to show up and talk. And I just think
that hosting podcasts for as long as I have really
primed and also communicating ideas that we're all about self
(42:21):
betterment because I, you know, I talk a lot about
wellness and you know all the fun things that bring
us joy. So like being able to take those ideas
and just like create conversation around this one thing and
bettering our creativity. And then I started Studio Hours, which
is for anyone who's done the artist way before. It
sort of continues that without diving back into the book
(42:42):
so much, but taking like the greatest hits and like
keeping the conversation and the accountability going.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
So wow, it's cool I feel so lucky to be
your friend.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
I feel so lucky to be your friend, so grateful
for you. I love you, Thanks for having.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Me, thank you for doing it, and please.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Come back anytime.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I love you so much. Go listen to a niche.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
That was great.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
You're just the best. Welcome back. Here's the surprise. Next week,
I'm going to do a bottle episode. I'm going to
depart from workout, just to stretch out the season just
a little bit longer because we're almost to the finish line.
Danny Pellegrino is going to be on an episode in
the next couple of weeks, but I'm going to take
a departure. And I know it's random, but next week
(43:28):
I'm going to do a show Pony exclusive review of
one of my favorite films of all time, Basic Instinct two.
If you have any thoughts, feelings, concerns, questions, or answers,
go ahead and send them my way. There's this one
part where Sharon Stone walks out of her room and
(43:49):
her kimono opens and one titty falls out, but it's
meant to be sexy, but it's not. She also gets
fingered in a car. All right, anyway, I digress, stay tuned,
Tell your friends about the podcast, share it, subscribe it,
link it, do whatever. I need more people to listen.
I'm just gonna be honest. Okay, help a bitch out.
(44:11):
See you next week. Everybody watch Based Against You two.
If you like my haircut,
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