June 23, 2025 • 42 mins
This episode of Show Pony was barely supposed to happen. I flew out of town for a wedding, missed my production window, had no guest, and decided to record the episode as soon as I landed—delirious at midnight—with Show Pony fave Eric Maxwell. What starts as a late-night mess spirals into gay chaos: relationship drama, Bravo memories, and yes, a live trial of a blowjob throat spray. Then things take a turn: I realize a real-life Bravo executive, Erica Forstadt, is also at the wedding. So I track her down, mic her up, and get a rare behind-the-scenes look at the network that gave us Workout, Top Chef, and everything in between. Unfiltered, unplanned, and deeply Show Pony.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hi, I'm John Hill. Welcome to Show Pony, a relentless
look at the shows that shape us.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I haven't really said.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
That tagline in a long time. I'm on episode three.
Am I on episode three? I'm on episode three of
season two, and to be totally honest, for this episode,
I didn't know who my guess was going to be.
I'd like to introduce you to my baby. This is
my son, Pete. Say hello, m your breath smells like
(00:51):
a delicious rotten piece of tuna. Girl, girl, Oh my god? Uh,
people are watching? Why are you behaving such a bad boy?
The first half of this episode, I recapped the This
episode is a little disjointed. I had to travel out
(01:15):
of town for a wedding when I normally would be
editing Show Pony, so I didn't know who my guest
was going to be. I didn't know what this episode
was going to end up being, but I wound up
with not only.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
A guest, but two great guests.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
The first one for the first half of the episode.
I recap episode three with Eric, who's been on the
show multiple times. I landed from my flight, I went
straight to his house and immediately podcasted delirious at midnight,
and then I realized my friend Erica was going to
be at the same wedding I was going to, and
she is a Bravo Network executive, so I sat her
(01:47):
down at the wedding in between events. Are you done?
Are you quite finished? I sat down with Erica to
talk about what it's like to be a Bravo Network
executive on early Bravo shows like Workout, Here's part one,
Enjoy What does that do?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's just like, I'll let you have to take a
shuttle to a remote lot, and I think it's temporary,
but I'm pissed.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I've never done that before. Well I think it's brand new.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I was mad.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So you have to wait in line for a cab
and there's something like scary about that because there's all
these fucking children.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Anyway, I'm so happy to see you. This episode is
going to be so messed up because I forgot my laptop,
so I can't even edit this for next week. So Eric,
we're roughing it. I've forced you to do this with me.
I've just landed and it's like midnight. What time is
it eleven?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
There's still something crazy about I always have to ask
if we're recording this. Yes, it's already happening. It's happening.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's happening, is anyway? I said, Eric, last minute, if
you're bored, or if you have extra time, because I
know it's like a school night for you. I was like, well,
maybe you'll be at home waiting for me to arrive,
making your home beautiful for me. So I thought maybe
he wants ass up, no words, lights off. I thought
(03:21):
maybe you would want to throw one workout? Season two,
episodes three. That's my dishwash?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Sounds a treasure?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
The bumbing.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
This sounds like someone's flushing your vagina.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It well, I don't even know if the mics would
pick it up, but they won't know.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But we hear it.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well, you can't hear it.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It's a gurgling.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
This always happens. This has happened the past couple of
times when you record. We have been like interrupted by things.
This isn't as fun as a parade. Though the parade
was bad.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I'm delirious girl. So I was on this play. I
watched I was the second half of Contact. Contact is
a great movie to watch on the plane. Did you
ever see Contact? With Jodie Foster, Matthew McConaughey. I get
in trouble for saying Carl Sagan produced it. It's based
on like one of his books. It's so good, please
watch it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Katia famously loves it's the movie Contact because she like
has a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, I have brain splints.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, I'm watching Contact.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I told you that when when Billy Joel got diagnosed
with that awful, awful oh no, and I was like,
I have that.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Oh, I have all of it. I think I have
it anyway, So yeah, I watched Contact. I cried, and
then I watched Blade Runner.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You cried.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I watched Contact on the way home two weeks ago.
I watched him the way here tonight. Both times cried, Okay,
should we talk about workout? Oh my gosh, this is
this is just a freebie. I guess like this episode
will probably end up being the best episode we've ever done.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's a surprise and delight.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But right now I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I watched ninety eight percent of the episode.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So you didn't finish no, Oh, okay, you came, you
were here, I came. Oh, I came, all right, I
did have a hookup yesterday. I believe it. Yeah, do
you see me as like a huge whore? You know, well,
you have some real horror friends who are really bad.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
We've talked about this a little bit too, with like
the stigma SOS, and I'm like, I wouldn't consider my
cellf one, but.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
No shame in the game. No, Well, let's I'm making
up for lost time because there were so many years
where I wasn't where you had those wooden teeth. I
still have those. This episode opens with the bros on
the terrace outside. This episode opens a Jackie polishing her
wooden teeth. Oh, Jackie polishing her lesbian wood Oh. Brian
and Doug are on the terrorists. Brian says he has
(05:45):
anger issues and went to psychiatrist as a kid. Maybe
feel for him. The worst he gets, the hotter he gets.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
To me, Brian, I'm kind of out of it. I'm
out of the fantasy.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I love it. Okay, stands up from the conversation with Doug.
He walks away and you can see that huge tank ass.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It's just he waddles away.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Such a nice spot. Yeah, okay, so you didn't see
the last episode, but you basically get the gist.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Basically, Rebecca, I have an idea of what's going Rebecca's.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Horned up for women. Yes, So Peeler and Jackie had
a big fight in the last episode. He called her
a bit. She says, you're worthless and then so now
they have this apology.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Didn't she say he like wasn't he either wasn't a
real trainer or he wasn't a bodybuilder.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Bodybuilder?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, I would use a bodybuilder. And he's work with you. Whatever, bitch,
I'm brilliant.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
He's Maganow. So this whole thing in season two, she's
trying to establish that sky So there's sky Sport and Spot.
Now she's saying, a part of that is sky Lab.
You're going to take nine people and intensively change their
lives in two weeks. Her whole thing is like, I
can do it in two weeks. She sits down with Jesse,
who is a chef who I'm also in talks with.
(06:57):
Jesse's going to come on the show next week. Hey,
on a scale of one to rip, Van we Gole,
how tired are you right now?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Do I look like I'm dozing off?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But I mean I'm tired? Are you dozing off. This
is like a normal time of for bed. Yeah, okay,
we'll do this.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
For ten minutes and we'll go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I'm fine, Yeah, I'm awake.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I mean, I'm not alarmed that you look tired. I'm
just genuinely just as your friend who's forcing you to
podcast with me. The second I walk in the door,
I'm wondering how annoyed and tired you are.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I knew what I was in for when you give
me a heads up, so I was like, I have
to like zip.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It up and get it together.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I have no notes on your performance. I have no notes.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I'm not saying that because I'm brought up anything other
than what competitive dance from like the age of six.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I just have to turn it on.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Anyway. I felt really bad for this one girl, Laurie,
who couldn't plank, I know, and I thought it was
really mean.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So she actually was doing really well, but she wasn't
doing it too full completion. And so Jack was like,
that's where it really counts is when you're at failure.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
That's true, the change happens when you push through the
moment you can't. But I also think that this person,
so she's got all the clients out on the terrace
doing planks. This is the beginning of their boot camp.
Someone named Laurie is having a hard time doing the planks.
But Laurie weighs two hundred and eighty pounds at this moment,
and she's out of shape and she hasn't worked out before.
She can't even step up onto the box and.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They want her to lose two hundred and fifty pounds
in two weeks.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So like, of course she can't plank.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I don't plank to full completion at Barrie's. A lot
of times you might be the tired one. I am
the I'm not saying I'm not.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I just want to you just want to assess my vitality.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah. The big headline in this episode especially is that
Rebecca's fully horned for lesbian puss.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
She's she comes.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Over to Jackie's house and then they do foot play
without it not even five minutes in the house and
with a bunch of shoes and slippers, different shoes options
bear lesbian feet kinky.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Like she said, what if I had a foot fetish?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Was like had and I don't. I hate feet, but
I was like some pervert was joking to this joking,
jolking is joking is like when you stroke it to
the side.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I've seen that happen before.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You live in Bushwick.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
That's where we are, Bushwick, Brooklyn, United States. This is
like the Bushwick Ridgewood borders. When I'm feeling creative, I.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Can be like Bushwood Bushwood.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yep, sure is.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And then Jackie says, I love dirty dogs smell. She says,
they smell like corn chips. All dogs smell like corn chips.
They smell like free dos.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, they do smell like free do's.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, their paws especially, but that's their natural smell. But
a dirty dog is something different. So they're like, let's
bathe the dog, a good lesbian an activity. They put
the dogs in. I love those dogs. They are so.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Cute when they know they're going into.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
The water, so they start pre Have you ever walked
somewhere that has to smell. There's no dogs around, but
a smell has activated that this is what a dog
smells like. Like I'll be on the street or like
going into the subway and it'll be a waft of
like something kind of foul smelling, and then immediately I go,
this is a dog.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Smell dog, but there's no dog around.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well, I was on the plane tonight and I a
smell triggered. You know, how do you ever gone to Europe?
I've been to Europe. You know how the whole continent
of Europe smells like a huge giant fart from a brewery,
like a brewer's east fart. Like when you landed Heathrow.
It smells like someone went to a brewery and queafed. Okay, well, anyway,
(10:49):
my plane smelled like that, and I wasn't in London.
I think I only want to do podcasts when I'm
sleep deprived in your area and I don't know where
I am. Just to cut to the end of the oppose.
So the episode ends on Zen doing a stand up
routine at the laugh Factory and it's bad stand up. Okay,
we'll get there. Jackie says she needs to socialize, she
(11:10):
needs she's the dove that the producers had her put
over it.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
My therapist told me I should have a sexy, fun
slumber party.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
They plan a slumber party, girls night, Laurie and Doug
go on the roof. I this this scene between Laurie
and Doug Laurie again of Camp Plank fame. This conversation
was the best fitness related conversation that has been on
Workout the series.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yet he really enters her soul with that conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well you can tell she was like, my dad told
me I would if I was fat, No man would
ever love me. She just got a relation at age six.
He was talking to her like a dad and he
was like, you're gonna do good for me. It like
really touched me. It made me sad and maybe also want.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
To slobber Doug's I was gonna say I would lay
some flowers down at that grave for that.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Wait, I put a note in here.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Look look at the last note on the notes. Read
it out loud z oh. Next on Doug goes.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Into a cult. Should I do the next episode from.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Doug's Should I find his grave? Would people think that
was insensitive?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
His family?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Maybe? Oh yeah, I forget about it, but.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The fans would love it.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But like if I say, like, yes, this might seem sacrilegious.
But here I am at Doug's grave. He was a
very touch If you plank on it, if I plank
on it, what if I okay? Oh oh no, Sen's
a comedian.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Zen says she's a comedian, and I knew it when
she said it. She was like, you guys, I'm going
to be doing stand up and it's like.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You had to talk with a producer.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
How many times has this exact thing happened in a
reality yeah show? They go to a stand up and
it's like, I'm gonna roast all you guys. Yeah, that
happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Tiffany who is Tiffany shows up? She's this a horny
lesbian who's Jackie's randomly dating. I thought we're on the
Rebecca train. Then this girl, Yeah, she comes out of
nowhere gorgeous though. Yeah, she was serving you lip stick hunty.
She was given lob Yeah, and she hates mem which
I think is cute. And she's a teeny tiny little purse. Yep.
They go to the batting cage. If I was to
(13:23):
say to chat Gibt, make me the horniest diikiest lesbian
episode of reality TV, you can give me it would
be foot fetish foot play, batting cage, make out in
a bathroom with a sex toy slumber party, toy party,
(13:45):
and a trainer does stand up for fun.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, those are the lesbian tropes. Well, at the slumber party,
they rub something on their bodies.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So let's get there. Oh, sensual explosion cream is what
the cream was called. I believe you were right. Have
some of that, go get it, let's rub it all.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's different.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
What do you have? I have? Speak up into your
mic I have.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I'll get it. I'll let the children need to hear.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I've never I can't believe in showing you this. You
have shown me this deep throat oral.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
No, I don't know why I bought that oral?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And should we do it right now? And see if
we can talk? Do you dare me to do a
little bit? Yeah? You can? Should do a bump?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Can you open it?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Why because my hands are smaller?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Okay, you do some first, you'll put some in your will.
I bought it in your pussy.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Pretend we're to lesbian slumber party. Don't do too much.
I don't take you to the hospital. Oh, not too much,
that's too much. So the idea. The idea is this
will anesthetize your throat so you can suck quawk.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Ah, my lips are numb.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Oh my god. We shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Oh, it's gross.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I did a tiny little sprits. You did a bunch
of squirts. Are we going to be able to pod? Quick?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Give me that we both wake up?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Dad?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Numb, numb, that's triggering.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Okay, uh yeah, Rebecca likes the big long tongue. This
woman is showing them sex toys. It's supposed to be titillating.
I'm sure that some gross, disgusting man in bush lay
in it was jelking the Bushwick Bridgewood Border, Bushwood. My
(16:04):
lips are still numb. My throat is numb.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I could give some cream I missed, so it's like
I could be the epicenter of a boucocky circle.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Good, I, you're gonna be not really here? Quick and
my grandmother's ashes.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Wait back to the party before I move on too
much further. They go into the bathroom and rub the
explosion cream on each other's pussies behind closed doors technical
term being pussies. They go Jackie has now fucked a
random girl who she never saw before. Since in the
l Coyote bathroom, she's now rubbing explosion cream with an
(16:48):
employee on her vagina behind closed doors with the cameras rolling.
That's the other thing, Rebecca's her employee, and that seems
like Brian does kind of nail it. He's like, this
is so unethical, this seems inappropriate because he's ass.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He's definitely jass.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I want him to be my employee. I want to
go to Doug's grave. Do you want to go ahead
and explain Zen's shtick.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
It's like the drag Race reading challenge, but if it
didn't have to be funny, if there were no jokes
and you.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Didn't have to laugh.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
So she's like, Jesse's got a shirt on. Uh oh Jackie.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
One time she had a bad hair day, but she
stared at it and it got better.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's pretty tough. It's like very tough.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
They go to sushi Dan Now I think it's rock
and crazy rock and sushi, and it's that kind of
sushi that's not it's very much like rock shrimp with
tempura with ten different kinds of mayonnaise and some eels
sprinkled in the like cream cheese, hobn europeppers and some
cream cheese.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's just when sushi has cream cheese. I can't get
into it right, it's just so.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But when you come to lall to get a crazy
rock and sushi, and we get you a pool of
mayonnaise to jump into some with some.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Blue crab mayonnaise. I love, I love mannaise my throat.
I'm just recovering right now.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
This was stupid, but I'm glad we did it for
the stunt. I mean, this is going to be the
thumbnail going in. Okay, let's let's wrap it up and
go to sleep. I love that Zen finishes laugh factory
comes to sushi. Dan rounds the corner and sees Jackie
and Rebecca tonguing down. I also think that admitting that
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you like dirty dog smell is the grossest revelation of
this episode, really, even grosser than Zen being a stand
up comedian. What's one revelation you had this week about life?
What did you realize about yourself or the world?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Old?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Sleep is important. Sleep is crucial.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Because I was so sleep deprived on Monday, I was like,
I can't do this anymore, Like I can't, I can't
fake it.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I am like a big baby and I need to sleep.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It's it's my greatest indulgence. What should we tell people
to watch?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
What should we tell people to watch?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Watching the Valley?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I am watching the valley, but you're not caught up.
I'm not caught up.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay. Should we go to bed?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, I'm sleepy.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
All right, I'll figure something else out for the rest
of this episode, and it's going to be great.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, I love you so much.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
The rest is still unwritten.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
This worked out perfect.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
The rest is still unclinton. I'm sorry. Wow, it's the
numbing spray. It's the numbing spray.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's number Amygdala.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Ignore her. She sprays she's.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Gay. It don't spray.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
It is it on? It's on?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, blue light Erica forstat Welcome to the show. Okay, now,
let's just tell everybody where we are we're at.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Where are we We are in a public space?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Is where we are?
Speaker 6 (20:07):
We are at High Agency in Somewheresville, New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Okay, and listen here Morristown, right, Okay, good? This is
nice of a friend where every wedding. Thank you for
letting me take you away from your Saturday afternoon nap.
It's raining, it's cozy, you should be relaxing. You live
in La Thank you. I appreciate that. I'd rather be
with you. That's why I have you here now. Because
we're both at this wedding and I just want. We
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live in LA but we never see each other. That's
the way LA is.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
It is, but it shouldn't be, and it's truly the
way it is.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
If we were in New York. I feel like we
see each other all the time. Okay, a little backstory, Erica,
you are a high powered, high important executive at NBC.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Universal a lot of high stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Namely Ravo. I gotta sell it. I gotta gotta talk
with you. I appreciate that, so I guess you up.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
I am. I do work at Bravo. I'm a senior
vice president of current production.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
That's huge.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
I scripted, you know it is. It is my dream job.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Honestly, you always say that's true.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
It's listen, I've worked at well, I've also, I mean,
I've had a lot of different dream jobs. And I've
now been at Bravo for nine years, which is a
long It's actually surpassed my other longest job, which is
at MTV MTV seven.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
And a half year.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What were your shows at MTV?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I primarily did the show Diary. I don't know if
you remember, right, but you think you know, but you have.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You have no idea?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
In my twenties, I ran.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Raised this up two inches?
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Okay, yeah, happy, yes.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
In my twenties I ran after rock stars. I was
a one man band. I carried around at PD.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
One fifties so fucking cool, and.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
A Nikon and seventy.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So what years are we talking?
Speaker 6 (21:52):
The first one I did was in two thousand and it
was with the Backstreet Boys and we went around the
world in one hundred hours.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I think I remember this.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
We were on the show of Iran's Plane. It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So you were at the front lines of reality TV
at the beginning. What was your first Bravo show?
Speaker 5 (22:07):
You worked on the first show.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
So when I got hired at Bravo, they gave me
three shows. There was like a ninety day period of like,
do we like her hold for audio?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Okay? Holding?
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Well, okay, so we'll go back, but like, okay, we'll
get there.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Currently your Beverly Hills bend from Rules the Valley, so no.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
No Beverly Hills.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
So currently I am Vanderpump Rules the Valley.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
The new valley that is about to.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Come out Shaw's Valley.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
It's called Persian Style, right.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
It has some of the OG's from Shaws and then
I have Next Gen NYC.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, and Real Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Both those are the best.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah, they're really great. But when I've done a bunch
of shows now at Bravo over the years, so I've
had Real Housewives with Beverly Hills, Real Housewives of Orange County,
Ladies of London, Southern Charm.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Everything, and Vanderpulp was a big one for you.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Vanderbump was a huge one because I came in season ten,
that was my first season starting it.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
And that is the scandalball season.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
So it was.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Kind of it's your fault, you made it happen.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
It's real life, right, right, Well, it reminds me of Workout.
So you didn't you didn't watch this episode, right, It's fine, watch.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
The first ten minutes of it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Well, okay, did you watch Workout when it was on?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Well, let me tell you. So when I interviewed at Bravo,
they were like, so, what Bravo shows do you watch?
Speaker 6 (23:32):
And I said, the better question is which Bravo shows
don't I watch? So I've been a Bravo fan from
they get like, from the time that they.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Were playing opera.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Yes, I am not kidding, Like I watched from day one.
I was super served brought to whatever new show came out.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I was a gallery girls. Sure, sure, sure, Princesses of
Long Island.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Absolutely, how about a game of crowns?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Game of crowns one hundred?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
All of them?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
I mean seriously, NYC prep I was like, spoke to
me because I grew up in so all of them
and I totally loved Workout when it came out, and
I absolutely, I mean I've watched every single Bravo show
there ever was, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well what about that time? So we had like flipping
out of their children, A lot of nightmare children find me.
Whenever I'm trying to have a moment of peace, someone
has a baby and ruins it.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Speaking to somebody who has chosen not to have children.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Anyway, So back to work out around that time two
thousand and six. Just what is your as a professional?
What they didn't have iPhones? They were shooting on a
PDX one hundred. Whatever you say. The cameras are so okay, Well,
season two is better than season one. Season one looks
like it's through a bur laps at.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Oh really ugly because season two.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It looks better. They were trying.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Well listen, it wasn't an HD right at the time.
I mean, and you can tell right now, like how
low res.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And the color is ugly, it's like all brown.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
She's still beautiful stars. She is a total total.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
She leaps off the screen completely.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I do.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
I mean, I'm sure you've already talked about it. But
because I only watched the first ten minutes to prepare myself,
the pre Vaughn told me everything exciting, right, but I
need to talk about the open and the open song
with Yeah, there are no no.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Theme songs anymore.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Bravo then had theme songs for the last show that
I think really has like a true catchy theme song
is vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Right, of course, what else is there?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Their Summerhouse has one, but it's just kind of now.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That Southern Arm. I don't love that.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, Southern Charm has one.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Yeah, the do Yeah, but it's kind of we've stopped
doing that. So because people don't necessarily need to watch
a thirty second or fifteen second open, they just get
into the show they're streaming.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Also, so maybe there's doing the skip.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Yeah, I but that beginning I know is epic.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
My big question for you is in the realm of
a workplace docu soap, an employer, this was a scandabal.
For the scandabal she's dating. She starts dating Rebecca, who
last season wasn't even a lesbian or dating women. She
had a boyfriend with a big dick. She shows the
dick pict to Jody Watley. That was the whole thing.
Jerty Watley's all through the show. She's in it. She
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has a big storyline.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
But seriously, like, don't ship where you wait?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I mean, I thought that that was rule number one.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well, and we like it for the TV of it,
Like no one would think of No producer would be like, hey,
you know, it would be great if you turn into
a lesbian started dating Jackie.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That literally and I'm not just saying that doesn't happen.
And like Sigma Scandal, it's like no one said, hey,
you know, it would be really great if you guys had.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
This big real life.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
It's real, right, Real life is more interesting than something
you could write.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But I think something in the back of Rebecca's head
was like, because Jackie said they were all they were actors,
not in a shady way, they were trainer and actors
and they want to be on TV and they cast them,
they cast them well.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And I think Rebecca was like she was in two
out of the six episodes last season, and I think
she was like, oh, think she generally liked her. But
I think when the cameras turn on.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Doesn't that mean to her?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Like to you Jackie, Jackie who I.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Think it was mutually beneficial.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
You don't think like you don't think Jackie actually fell
for her?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And no, I think I think they both feel for
each other, but I think they both helped them.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, Jackie had only nice things to say about Rebecca.
They're still friends.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Okay, good, we'll see Okay.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
As a network executive, yeah, that depresses me. Yeah, because
I would like it to be real and I normally
can sniff out what is fake.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I think it's both real and they thought, hey, here's
an opportunity.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Well here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
As again as the network executive, like you know, we
on a daily basis get hot sheets and we do
weekly calls for the production company where they tell us
what is going on. Yeah, you know, you can sniff
through something fake.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I used to write hot sheets, right, and.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
So we would have the conversation and I would say
to the showrunner like, I don't know, this is feeling like.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Made for TV? Is it made for TV?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Right?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
And if they would say yes.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Because the the showrunners are honest and thank god because
the people little backfire.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
If you try to manufacture something fake, it backfire.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
And even if well, like there's a possibility that the
showruners had nothing to do with what Jackie totally and.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I don't think they did. I think they came up with.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
It, right, But that doesn't mean that they couldn't sniff
it out and think it was fake, right, right, So
as atwork network executive, I would have been like, make.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Them stop or don't follow that? Yeah, exactly, don't encourage them.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Turn the camera in a different direction. We shoot a
long period of time. There's a lot of production companies
and a lot of shows that are on a much
shorter time schedule. Yeah, when you're on a short schedule,
you have to make stuff happen, which means it's not
necessarily true and it is overly produced. They have to
be themselves And what we tell people is you have
to think out right.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
So anything I'm going to hold forth.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Hold for sound. It's a wedding weekend, it's raining outside,
there are people. We're basically at a mall.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Basically, oh my, oh my.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
God, we're at a nursing home.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yes, okay, my home. I mean I am seventy five.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Same. Yeah, this is a sexy lesbian l word.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
And let's talk about how fact how like ahead of
its time?
Speaker 6 (29:29):
This show totally I mean, that's the other thing that
I love about Bravo is unapologetically unafraid to just be
who exactly Bravo.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
This wasn't on TV anywhere else, and in a weird way,
especially like Lesbian's there. In the first episode, they're tonguing
down at dinner and they're not cutting away now, I
think they would like cut away quicker.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
I think every straight woman ever watched Workout and was like.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Wait, am I god to I think people want to
be like her? Yeah, I don't know, can.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I tell you?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So?
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Within the first ten minutes that I watched, I was
really interested in how quick the conflict resolution happened.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
It was amazing.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I forget the.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Guy that Brian, he called her a bitch. In the last.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Episode, he goes in.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
They have a conversation that lasts maybe like a minute
and a half and they were like.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Good, we're over it.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And that would have lasted episodes season. Yeah, sure, Brian.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I worked on the season of Beverly Hills where.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
It was Lucy Lucy Apple juice.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
This was an entire season and I can't.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Even tell you what that drama was about a dog
that got returned adopted. The return Well that is that
is pretty serious. I mean, but like on hot can
you imagine the person write the hot sheets Lucy Lucy
Apple Still. I used to write them for Project Runway,
and I didn't really understand the job. Yeah, I had
Project I probably you probably read my hot sheets. I
was season five.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Oh you were the other one. I came on Project
Runway when it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Came back to Bras Oh okay, okay. I was before
it went to Like, yeah, I used to write the
hot sheets and I didn't know that I could kind
of edit my own self, like I could skip a
couple of minutes, but I would write every single minute
of the timecode what was happening? I like logged it.
Oh my god, I was going crazy. I was also
on all that was crushed up and ingested.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
It was like the most meticulous hot sheets ever.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I found a keyboard shortcut that I could just hit
one keyboard and I wouldn't have to look at the time.
It would put the time code in, so here's what's happening,
here's what's happening. And they would just get these kind
of like live logged it, and I was like, this
is gonna be good. I'm going to be doing double
the work. They don't even need a logger. They needed
a logger. You needed logs on the footage, not just
real time.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Well, I'm going to take shout out to Michael Back,
who does the best hot sheets. Love my team does
the best hot sheets because they're probably funny. Well they're funny,
but they also do bullets at the top of what
happens in each scene, so it's like the highlights and
then it goes.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
After all you need the nitty gritty, right.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
And then it goes into the nitty gritty. So I'm
just like, good to know.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Okay, Well, just as we've said it. The big stories,
Jackie is starting Skylab where she's getting several people together
to do hardcore intensive two week training, and one girl
can't do a plank.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
The plank situation.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
But the girl's just starting out.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
True, but there was a lot of planks that looked
like downward dog to me.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Oh yeah, I was like.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
She was patient with them as far as the trainer.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Goes, well, back in those days, it was kind of
like boot camp was starting up, so it's like, you
want a hard ass trainer to kick your ass. Now,
even when I go to Berri's, they're like, if at
any point you don't want to do anything, this is
all you. And I'm like, it's called Gray's boot Camp.
We came to get beaten. Zen is going to do
stand up comedy and then at the stand up show.
(32:56):
This is the second time Jackie has had sex in
a bathroom. She had sex in the l Coyote bathroom
last season, and she had sex in the bathroom of
Sushi Dan, which is now Crazy Rock and Sushi Wow.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
This is why every woman thought that perhaps.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
They were like, as a gay guy, like people are
going in the bathrooms all the time because guys can
just do that, But I didn't know women were.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
I mean, we're just as sexual.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I know, I know it's but it's always very like
clutching my pearls. I didn't really.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, I mean, I mean I would expect girls to
be hooking with a bathroom like at a bar when
everyone's wasted.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But crazy rock and sushi. I don't know it. Just
El Coyote. I love it.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well. I did some stats. Let's see, well about public sex.
Do you think men or women report to have had
more public sex? Women or men?
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Women?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yes, fifty five percent of women said they've had sex
in a public space.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
You know why because women are more proud of it.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, it's an achievement.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, they're like, you know what I did that?
Speaker 4 (34:09):
I guess and men are like, no, no, no, I'm not
going to talk about it.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
You know why because it was an illicit mode, right,
and it was probably something I shouldn't be doing, and
so I'm not going to admit to it.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
My god, am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
You're so right?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
I'm so right.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
See, I don't have the insight into the straight guy,
like gay guys are like, yeah, they're always having sex. Wow, okay, yeah,
fifty five percent of women forty eight percent of men.
What do you think the places are that people report
having sex in public? What are the public places most reported?
Definitely bathrooms bathrooms is number three?
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Ohays, number three, okay, number one public parks, yeah, parks, okay, parks.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
And then what's number two?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Fields list there's a lot of fields forests.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Still that's like where you get killed.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
No, we also get that's a bad books.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Yeah, that's a horror movie.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Box beaches chopped beaches is a big one.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Uncomfortable, the sands not fun.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Yes, and.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Car, I think cars. What you live in LA?
Speaker 6 (35:17):
I know, I know, I know, but you have to
also remember I grew up in New York City.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I didn't move to LA until fifteen years.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
Okay, okay, we didn't have a mature relationship with public sex.
Yeah no, I well, you and I had an issue
with your car. You had a Mini Cooper and we
went to Cafe Gratitude.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Band of White.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
We went to Cafe Gratitude.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
We had a lovely meal.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I had a lovely meal. We went back to your car.
This is before the pandemic. Back to your car and
there was someone had taken a rock and smashed your window.
And we looked around and there was there was We're
in a parking garage, right and there was an unhoused
going through it and we were like, hey, did you
(36:01):
see what happened to the car? And he like was
basically holding a rock. Yeah, He's like no, And then
they were like we need to We're like, what's your name?
And he told us his name was Vana White.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, and you got burgled.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
But I may we both laughed over it because it
was so absurd and ridiculous. I think I was at
first shocked, and then when he said Dana White, I
was like, Oh, of course.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Than a white.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Vana White vandalized your minia paper. Okay. I think that
is all the stats. And then Jesse's a chef and
she's going to start giving these people fifteen hundred calories
a day or thirteen hundred calories a day, and then
she brings everyone to her house. Jackime talking about brings
over to her house to give them a healthy recipe
and it's a shake with weigh protein flex seed. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Can we talk about the egg and the what you
can have an egg? And what she.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Tells tests in season one you can have one egg,
a hard boiled egg, and one small.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Apple all day or as a snack.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I don't think all day. I think it just means
that's that's a healthier option than the Lumberjack breakfast.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
I just ate anyway wait a way protein.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Wave protein, flax seed, frozen strawberries. I'm gonna sound good,
I know, but she sent me it sound like as
a revolutionary Well maybe at the.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Time it was.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
I mean, now everybody talks about way Protein, but it
was like, oh, I think.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
So, what is there something that's ever happened on a
reality show that made you want to quit working in
the industry. You don't have to say what it is, yes, okay, yes, all.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
Right, yes, I mean, look, I'm not going to I'll
tell you about it of okay, okay. And I don't
know if it was working in the industry. I actually
never felt like I'm going to get out of this industry.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Right, you love it?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Well?
Speaker 6 (37:50):
I love what I do. I feel, you know, I
kind of fell into it. It wasn't something that I
thought like. I never was like I'm going to do unscripted.
Wanted to be a filmmaker. And when I got out
of college with an undergrad TV and film degree, I
was like, I want to go to graduate film school.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I want to go to Tish and I want.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
To be Spike Lee.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Right, like great how many few Spike Lee's are there
that actually go and make a college film that's going
to be She's got to have it.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
And then it's like very Spike Lee and they got right.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
And at the time, I remember being like, I'm going
to go to film school and my father said to me,
and I think it was like the best advice I
was ever given was like, if you want to be
a lawyer, you have to go to law school, right,
If you want to be a filmmaker, get a job
and see if you like yeah, And so that was it.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
That's how I fell in.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You learn by doing. I know, I do TV jobs,
filmmaking jobs, like this is a great success story. It's
not Spike Lee filmmaking that you wanted to do, but
this is like, think of the jobs that are options
for people who want to work in TV. There's not
a lot of those either. Right now, you're really killing it, Listen.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
I'm really grateful.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
It's a time where it's really difficult in the industry
and really scary.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
And so I'm like.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
What's your favorite Bravo show to watch if you didn't
work there?
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (39:05):
God, well, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
I love yeah, I love Real Housewives of New York. Yeah,
Summerhouse this past week.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
I thought that was great.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I am a true Bravo fan where.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
I will call a different executive if I don't work
on the show and I'm like, can I get access?
And I will plow through an entire season. So I've
seen like the first eleven episodes of Miami this season.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Oh, great, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I love those guys.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I just I'm a huge fan
of all the shows.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
I'm really grateful.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
I you know, very few and far between do you
get to work at a place to actually watch the stuff?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Totally? Okay, let's go to this wedding. What's your favorite
reality show of all time?
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (39:48):
My god, first you tell me yours. I have to
think about it. What is my favorite reality show of
all time?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
My favorite reality show of all time would probably be
historically speaking, probably Ena Nicole, and I think that's the
second show I'm going to do for this show.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
Yeah, I mean there's a throwback of an old Brava
one similar to Anna Nicole, the Whitney Houston Bobby Brown show.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Okay that they'refinitely doing the drugs fully the camera was
on them while they were doing it.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
It was pretty crazy. I mean talk about bravery.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I love hey Paula.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Oh my god, Hey Paula, and.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Like amazing Race. I take it back. My favorite reality
show is Traders.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Traders is so fantastic and Alan Comming is such a gift.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
You have to watch the UK version though. I love
Alan Comming, but that host she's this woman, this like
goth emo British woman. She's so good. Okay, I will
let you go take your nap.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
I feel like we should end with a.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Throwback to Gratitude, okay, and I'm going to say, John, Yes, you.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Are powerful.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Erica, you are insightful. When you go to Cafe Gratitude,
you have to fucking order like that.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Well the things that you order are actually they are
that what they are called.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I'll have. I am grateful.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I will have the I'm grateful.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
You are you are grateful? Yeah? I love you all right,
I love you. I love you right back. Thank you
for joining us. Pete and I both send our love.
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support us on the Patreon, do it for me, do
it for Pete, do it for us. Next week I'll
be on episode five, which is halfway through season two,
and special announcement, big news, Jeff Lewis will be making
his show Pony debut on that episode, so mark so
mark your calendars, set aside the day to just sit
(42:07):
back and goon.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
We'll see you next week.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
M M. Goodbye, h
Hi, I'm John Hill. Welcome to Show Pony, a relentless
look at the shows that shape us.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I haven't really said.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
That tagline in a long time. I'm on episode three.
Am I on episode three? I'm on episode three of
season two, and to be totally honest, for this episode,
I didn't know who my guess was going to be.
I'd like to introduce you to my baby. This is
my son, Pete. Say hello, m your breath smells like
(00:51):
a delicious rotten piece of tuna. Girl, girl, Oh my god? Uh,
people are watching? Why are you behaving such a bad boy?
The first half of this episode, I recapped the This
episode is a little disjointed. I had to travel out
(01:15):
of town for a wedding when I normally would be
editing Show Pony, so I didn't know who my guest
was going to be. I didn't know what this episode
was going to end up being, but I wound up
with not only.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
A guest, but two great guests.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
The first one for the first half of the episode.
I recap episode three with Eric, who's been on the
show multiple times. I landed from my flight, I went
straight to his house and immediately podcasted delirious at midnight,
and then I realized my friend Erica was going to
be at the same wedding I was going to, and
she is a Bravo Network executive, so I sat her
(01:47):
down at the wedding in between events. Are you done?
Are you quite finished? I sat down with Erica to
talk about what it's like to be a Bravo Network
executive on early Bravo shows like Workout, Here's part one,
Enjoy What does that do?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's just like, I'll let you have to take a
shuttle to a remote lot, and I think it's temporary,
but I'm pissed.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I've never done that before. Well I think it's brand new.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I was mad.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
So you have to wait in line for a cab
and there's something like scary about that because there's all
these fucking children.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Anyway, I'm so happy to see you. This episode is
going to be so messed up because I forgot my laptop,
so I can't even edit this for next week. So Eric,
we're roughing it. I've forced you to do this with me.
I've just landed and it's like midnight. What time is
it eleven?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
There's still something crazy about I always have to ask
if we're recording this. Yes, it's already happening. It's happening.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
It's happening, is anyway? I said, Eric, last minute, if
you're bored, or if you have extra time, because I
know it's like a school night for you. I was like, well,
maybe you'll be at home waiting for me to arrive,
making your home beautiful for me. So I thought maybe
he wants ass up, no words, lights off. I thought
(03:21):
maybe you would want to throw one workout? Season two,
episodes three. That's my dishwash?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Sounds a treasure?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
The bumbing.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
This sounds like someone's flushing your vagina.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It well, I don't even know if the mics would
pick it up, but they won't know.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
But we hear it.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well, you can't hear it.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It's a gurgling.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
This always happens. This has happened the past couple of
times when you record. We have been like interrupted by things.
This isn't as fun as a parade. Though the parade
was bad.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
I'm delirious girl. So I was on this play. I
watched I was the second half of Contact. Contact is
a great movie to watch on the plane. Did you
ever see Contact? With Jodie Foster, Matthew McConaughey. I get
in trouble for saying Carl Sagan produced it. It's based
on like one of his books. It's so good, please
watch it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Katia famously loves it's the movie Contact because she like
has a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, I have brain splints.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, I'm watching Contact.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I told you that when when Billy Joel got diagnosed
with that awful, awful oh no, and I was like,
I have that.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Oh, I have all of it. I think I have
it anyway, So yeah, I watched Contact. I cried, and
then I watched Blade Runner.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You cried.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I watched Contact on the way home two weeks ago.
I watched him the way here tonight. Both times cried, Okay,
should we talk about workout? Oh my gosh, this is
this is just a freebie. I guess like this episode
will probably end up being the best episode we've ever done.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's a surprise and delight.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But right now I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I watched ninety eight percent of the episode.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So you didn't finish no, Oh, okay, you came, you
were here, I came. Oh, I came, all right, I
did have a hookup yesterday. I believe it. Yeah, do
you see me as like a huge whore? You know, well,
you have some real horror friends who are really bad.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
We've talked about this a little bit too, with like
the stigma SOS, and I'm like, I wouldn't consider my
cellf one, but.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
No shame in the game. No, Well, let's I'm making
up for lost time because there were so many years
where I wasn't where you had those wooden teeth. I
still have those. This episode opens with the bros on
the terrace outside. This episode opens a Jackie polishing her
wooden teeth. Oh, Jackie polishing her lesbian wood Oh. Brian
and Doug are on the terrorists. Brian says he has
(05:45):
anger issues and went to psychiatrist as a kid. Maybe
feel for him. The worst he gets, the hotter he gets.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
To me, Brian, I'm kind of out of it. I'm
out of the fantasy.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I love it. Okay, stands up from the conversation with Doug.
He walks away and you can see that huge tank ass.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It's just he waddles away.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Such a nice spot. Yeah, okay, so you didn't see
the last episode, but you basically get the gist.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Basically, Rebecca, I have an idea of what's going Rebecca's.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Horned up for women. Yes, So Peeler and Jackie had
a big fight in the last episode. He called her
a bit. She says, you're worthless and then so now
they have this apology.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Didn't she say he like wasn't he either wasn't a
real trainer or he wasn't a bodybuilder.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Bodybuilder?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, I would use a bodybuilder. And he's work with you. Whatever, bitch,
I'm brilliant.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
He's Maganow. So this whole thing in season two, she's
trying to establish that sky So there's sky Sport and Spot.
Now she's saying, a part of that is sky Lab.
You're going to take nine people and intensively change their
lives in two weeks. Her whole thing is like, I
can do it in two weeks. She sits down with Jesse,
who is a chef who I'm also in talks with.
(06:57):
Jesse's going to come on the show next week. Hey,
on a scale of one to rip, Van we Gole,
how tired are you right now?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Do I look like I'm dozing off?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
But I mean I'm tired? Are you dozing off. This
is like a normal time of for bed. Yeah, okay,
we'll do this.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
For ten minutes and we'll go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I'm fine, Yeah, I'm awake.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I mean, I'm not alarmed that you look tired. I'm
just genuinely just as your friend who's forcing you to
podcast with me. The second I walk in the door,
I'm wondering how annoyed and tired you are.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I knew what I was in for when you give
me a heads up, so I was like, I have
to like zip.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It up and get it together.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I have no notes on your performance. I have no notes.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I'm not saying that because I'm brought up anything other
than what competitive dance from like the age of six.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I just have to turn it on.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Anyway. I felt really bad for this one girl, Laurie,
who couldn't plank, I know, and I thought it was
really mean.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So she actually was doing really well, but she wasn't
doing it too full completion. And so Jack was like,
that's where it really counts is when you're at failure.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
That's true, the change happens when you push through the
moment you can't. But I also think that this person,
so she's got all the clients out on the terrace
doing planks. This is the beginning of their boot camp.
Someone named Laurie is having a hard time doing the planks.
But Laurie weighs two hundred and eighty pounds at this moment,
and she's out of shape and she hasn't worked out before.
She can't even step up onto the box and.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
They want her to lose two hundred and fifty pounds
in two weeks.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So like, of course she can't plank.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I don't plank to full completion at Barrie's. A lot
of times you might be the tired one. I am
the I'm not saying I'm not.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I just want to you just want to assess my vitality.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah. The big headline in this episode especially is that
Rebecca's fully horned for lesbian puss.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
She's she comes.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Over to Jackie's house and then they do foot play
without it not even five minutes in the house and
with a bunch of shoes and slippers, different shoes options
bear lesbian feet kinky.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Like she said, what if I had a foot fetish?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Was like had and I don't. I hate feet, but
I was like some pervert was joking to this joking,
jolking is joking is like when you stroke it to
the side.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I've seen that happen before.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
You live in Bushwick.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
That's where we are, Bushwick, Brooklyn, United States. This is
like the Bushwick Ridgewood borders. When I'm feeling creative, I.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Can be like Bushwood Bushwood.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yep, sure is.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And then Jackie says, I love dirty dogs smell. She says,
they smell like corn chips. All dogs smell like corn chips.
They smell like free dos.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, they do smell like free do's.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, their paws especially, but that's their natural smell. But
a dirty dog is something different. So they're like, let's
bathe the dog, a good lesbian an activity. They put
the dogs in. I love those dogs. They are so.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Cute when they know they're going into.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
The water, so they start pre Have you ever walked
somewhere that has to smell. There's no dogs around, but
a smell has activated that this is what a dog
smells like. Like I'll be on the street or like
going into the subway and it'll be a waft of
like something kind of foul smelling, and then immediately I go,
this is a dog.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Smell dog, but there's no dog around.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well, I was on the plane tonight and I a
smell triggered. You know, how do you ever gone to Europe?
I've been to Europe. You know how the whole continent
of Europe smells like a huge giant fart from a brewery,
like a brewer's east fart. Like when you landed Heathrow.
It smells like someone went to a brewery and queafed. Okay, well, anyway,
(10:49):
my plane smelled like that, and I wasn't in London.
I think I only want to do podcasts when I'm
sleep deprived in your area and I don't know where
I am. Just to cut to the end of the oppose.
So the episode ends on Zen doing a stand up
routine at the laugh Factory and it's bad stand up. Okay,
we'll get there. Jackie says she needs to socialize, she
(11:10):
needs she's the dove that the producers had her put
over it.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
My therapist told me I should have a sexy, fun
slumber party.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
They plan a slumber party, girls night, Laurie and Doug
go on the roof. I this this scene between Laurie
and Doug Laurie again of Camp Plank fame. This conversation
was the best fitness related conversation that has been on
Workout the series.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yet he really enters her soul with that conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Well you can tell she was like, my dad told
me I would if I was fat, No man would
ever love me. She just got a relation at age six.
He was talking to her like a dad and he
was like, you're gonna do good for me. It like
really touched me. It made me sad and maybe also want.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
To slobber Doug's I was gonna say I would lay
some flowers down at that grave for that.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Wait, I put a note in here.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Look look at the last note on the notes. Read
it out loud z oh. Next on Doug goes.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Into a cult. Should I do the next episode from.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Doug's Should I find his grave? Would people think that
was insensitive?
Speaker 2 (12:22):
His family?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Maybe? Oh yeah, I forget about it, but.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The fans would love it.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But like if I say, like, yes, this might seem sacrilegious.
But here I am at Doug's grave. He was a
very touch If you plank on it, if I plank
on it, what if I okay? Oh oh no, Sen's
a comedian.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Zen says she's a comedian, and I knew it when
she said it. She was like, you guys, I'm going
to be doing stand up and it's like.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You had to talk with a producer.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
How many times has this exact thing happened in a
reality yeah show? They go to a stand up and
it's like, I'm gonna roast all you guys. Yeah, that
happens all the time.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Tiffany who is Tiffany shows up? She's this a horny
lesbian who's Jackie's randomly dating. I thought we're on the
Rebecca train. Then this girl, Yeah, she comes out of
nowhere gorgeous though. Yeah, she was serving you lip stick hunty.
She was given lob Yeah, and she hates mem which
I think is cute. And she's a teeny tiny little purse. Yep.
They go to the batting cage. If I was to
(13:23):
say to chat Gibt, make me the horniest diikiest lesbian
episode of reality TV, you can give me it would
be foot fetish foot play, batting cage, make out in
a bathroom with a sex toy slumber party, toy party,
(13:45):
and a trainer does stand up for fun.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, those are the lesbian tropes. Well, at the slumber party,
they rub something on their bodies.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So let's get there. Oh, sensual explosion cream is what
the cream was called. I believe you were right. Have
some of that, go get it, let's rub it all.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's different.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
What do you have? I have? Speak up into your
mic I have.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
I'll get it. I'll let the children need to hear.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I've never I can't believe in showing you this. You
have shown me this deep throat oral.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
No, I don't know why I bought that oral?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And should we do it right now? And see if
we can talk? Do you dare me to do a
little bit? Yeah? You can? Should do a bump?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Can you open it?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Why because my hands are smaller?
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Okay, you do some first, you'll put some in your will.
I bought it in your pussy.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Pretend we're to lesbian slumber party. Don't do too much.
I don't take you to the hospital. Oh, not too much,
that's too much. So the idea. The idea is this
will anesthetize your throat so you can suck quawk.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Ah, my lips are numb.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Oh my god. We shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Oh, it's gross.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I did a tiny little sprits. You did a bunch
of squirts. Are we going to be able to pod? Quick?
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Give me that we both wake up?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Dad?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Numb, numb, that's triggering.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Okay, uh yeah, Rebecca likes the big long tongue. This
woman is showing them sex toys. It's supposed to be titillating.
I'm sure that some gross, disgusting man in bush lay
in it was jelking the Bushwick Bridgewood Border, Bushwood. My
(16:04):
lips are still numb. My throat is numb.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I could give some cream I missed, so it's like
I could be the epicenter of a boucocky circle.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Good, I, you're gonna be not really here? Quick and
my grandmother's ashes.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Wait back to the party before I move on too
much further. They go into the bathroom and rub the
explosion cream on each other's pussies behind closed doors technical
term being pussies. They go Jackie has now fucked a
random girl who she never saw before. Since in the
l Coyote bathroom, she's now rubbing explosion cream with an
(16:48):
employee on her vagina behind closed doors with the cameras rolling.
That's the other thing, Rebecca's her employee, and that seems
like Brian does kind of nail it. He's like, this
is so unethical, this seems inappropriate because he's ass.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He's definitely jass.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
I want him to be my employee. I want to
go to Doug's grave. Do you want to go ahead
and explain Zen's shtick.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
It's like the drag Race reading challenge, but if it
didn't have to be funny, if there were no jokes
and you.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Didn't have to laugh.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
So she's like, Jesse's got a shirt on. Uh oh Jackie.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
One time she had a bad hair day, but she
stared at it and it got better.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's pretty tough. It's like very tough.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
They go to sushi Dan Now I think it's rock
and crazy rock and sushi, and it's that kind of
sushi that's not it's very much like rock shrimp with
tempura with ten different kinds of mayonnaise and some eels
sprinkled in the like cream cheese, hobn europeppers and some
cream cheese.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's just when sushi has cream cheese. I can't get
into it right, it's just so.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But when you come to lall to get a crazy
rock and sushi, and we get you a pool of
mayonnaise to jump into some with some.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Blue crab mayonnaise. I love, I love mannaise my throat.
I'm just recovering right now.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
This was stupid, but I'm glad we did it for
the stunt. I mean, this is going to be the
thumbnail going in. Okay, let's let's wrap it up and
go to sleep. I love that Zen finishes laugh factory
comes to sushi. Dan rounds the corner and sees Jackie
and Rebecca tonguing down. I also think that admitting that
(18:43):
you like dirty dog smell is the grossest revelation of
this episode, really, even grosser than Zen being a stand
up comedian. What's one revelation you had this week about life?
What did you realize about yourself or the world?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Old?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Sleep is important. Sleep is crucial.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Because I was so sleep deprived on Monday, I was like,
I can't do this anymore, Like I can't, I can't
fake it.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I am like a big baby and I need to sleep.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It's it's my greatest indulgence. What should we tell people
to watch?
Speaker 2 (19:15):
What should we tell people to watch?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Watching the Valley?
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I am watching the valley, but you're not caught up.
I'm not caught up.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Okay. Should we go to bed?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, I'm sleepy.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
All right, I'll figure something else out for the rest
of this episode, and it's going to be great.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
It's going to be great.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, I love you so much.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
The rest is still unwritten.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
This worked out perfect.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
The rest is still unclinton. I'm sorry. Wow, it's the
numbing spray. It's the numbing spray.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
It's number Amygdala.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Ignore her. She sprays she's.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Gay. It don't spray.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
It is it on? It's on?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, blue light Erica forstat Welcome to the show. Okay, now,
let's just tell everybody where we are we're at.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Where are we We are in a public space?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Is where we are?
Speaker 6 (20:07):
We are at High Agency in Somewheresville, New Jersey.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Okay, and listen here Morristown, right, Okay, good? This is
nice of a friend where every wedding. Thank you for
letting me take you away from your Saturday afternoon nap.
It's raining, it's cozy, you should be relaxing. You live
in La Thank you. I appreciate that. I'd rather be
with you. That's why I have you here now. Because
we're both at this wedding and I just want. We
(20:34):
live in LA but we never see each other. That's
the way LA is.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
It is, but it shouldn't be, and it's truly the
way it is.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
If we were in New York. I feel like we
see each other all the time. Okay, a little backstory, Erica,
you are a high powered, high important executive at NBC.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Universal a lot of high stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Namely Ravo. I gotta sell it. I gotta gotta talk
with you. I appreciate that, so I guess you up.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
I am. I do work at Bravo. I'm a senior
vice president of current production.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
That's huge.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
I scripted, you know it is. It is my dream job.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Honestly, you always say that's true.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
It's listen, I've worked at well, I've also, I mean,
I've had a lot of different dream jobs. And I've
now been at Bravo for nine years, which is a
long It's actually surpassed my other longest job, which is
at MTV MTV seven.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
And a half year.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What were your shows at MTV?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I primarily did the show Diary. I don't know if
you remember, right, but you think you know, but you have.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You have no idea?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
In my twenties, I ran.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Raised this up two inches?
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Okay, yeah, happy, yes.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
In my twenties I ran after rock stars. I was
a one man band. I carried around at PD.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
One fifties so fucking cool, and.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
A Nikon and seventy.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
So what years are we talking?
Speaker 6 (21:52):
The first one I did was in two thousand and it
was with the Backstreet Boys and we went around the
world in one hundred hours.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I think I remember this.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
We were on the show of Iran's Plane. It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So you were at the front lines of reality TV
at the beginning. What was your first Bravo show?
Speaker 5 (22:07):
You worked on the first show.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
So when I got hired at Bravo, they gave me
three shows. There was like a ninety day period of like,
do we like her hold for audio?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Okay? Holding?
Speaker 7 (22:20):
Well, okay, so we'll go back, but like, okay, we'll
get there.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Currently your Beverly Hills bend from Rules the Valley, so no.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
No Beverly Hills.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
So currently I am Vanderpump Rules the Valley.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
The new valley that is about to.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Come out Shaw's Valley.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
It's called Persian Style, right.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
It has some of the OG's from Shaws and then
I have Next Gen NYC.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yeah, and Real Housewives of Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Both those are the best.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
Yeah, they're really great. But when I've done a bunch
of shows now at Bravo over the years, so I've
had Real Housewives with Beverly Hills, Real Housewives of Orange County,
Ladies of London, Southern Charm.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Everything, and Vanderpulp was a big one for you.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Vanderbump was a huge one because I came in season ten,
that was my first season starting it.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
And that is the scandalball season.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
So it was.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Kind of it's your fault, you made it happen.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
It's real life, right, right, Well, it reminds me of Workout.
So you didn't you didn't watch this episode, right, It's fine, watch.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
The first ten minutes of it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Well, okay, did you watch Workout when it was on?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Well, let me tell you. So when I interviewed at Bravo,
they were like, so, what Bravo shows do you watch?
Speaker 6 (23:32):
And I said, the better question is which Bravo shows
don't I watch? So I've been a Bravo fan from
they get like, from the time that they.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Were playing opera.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
Yes, I am not kidding, Like I watched from day one.
I was super served brought to whatever new show came out.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I was a gallery girls. Sure, sure, sure, Princesses of
Long Island.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Absolutely, how about a game of crowns?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Game of crowns one hundred?
Speaker 4 (23:59):
All of them?
Speaker 6 (24:00):
I mean seriously, NYC prep I was like, spoke to
me because I grew up in so all of them
and I totally loved Workout when it came out, and
I absolutely, I mean I've watched every single Bravo show
there ever was, so yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well what about that time? So we had like flipping
out of their children, A lot of nightmare children find me.
Whenever I'm trying to have a moment of peace, someone
has a baby and ruins it.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
Speaking to somebody who has chosen not to have children.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Anyway, So back to work out around that time two
thousand and six. Just what is your as a professional?
What they didn't have iPhones? They were shooting on a
PDX one hundred. Whatever you say. The cameras are so okay, Well,
season two is better than season one. Season one looks
like it's through a bur laps at.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Oh really ugly because season two.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It looks better. They were trying.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Well listen, it wasn't an HD right at the time.
I mean, and you can tell right now, like how
low res.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And the color is ugly, it's like all brown.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
She's still beautiful stars. She is a total total.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
She leaps off the screen completely.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
I do.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
I mean, I'm sure you've already talked about it. But
because I only watched the first ten minutes to prepare myself,
the pre Vaughn told me everything exciting, right, but I
need to talk about the open and the open song
with Yeah, there are no no.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Theme songs anymore.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Bravo then had theme songs for the last show that
I think really has like a true catchy theme song
is vander Pump Rules.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Right, of course, what else is there?
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Their Summerhouse has one, but it's just kind of now.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
That Southern Arm. I don't love that.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, Southern Charm has one.
Speaker 6 (25:39):
Yeah, the do Yeah, but it's kind of we've stopped
doing that. So because people don't necessarily need to watch
a thirty second or fifteen second open, they just get
into the show they're streaming.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Also, so maybe there's doing the skip.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Yeah, I but that beginning I know is epic.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
My big question for you is in the realm of
a workplace docu soap, an employer, this was a scandabal.
For the scandabal she's dating. She starts dating Rebecca, who
last season wasn't even a lesbian or dating women. She
had a boyfriend with a big dick. She shows the
dick pict to Jody Watley. That was the whole thing.
Jerty Watley's all through the show. She's in it. She
(26:23):
has a big storyline.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
But seriously, like, don't ship where you wait?
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I mean, I thought that that was rule number one.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Well, and we like it for the TV of it,
Like no one would think of No producer would be like, hey,
you know, it would be great if you turn into
a lesbian started dating Jackie.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That literally and I'm not just saying that doesn't happen.
And like Sigma Scandal, it's like no one said, hey,
you know, it would be really great if you guys had.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
This big real life.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
It's real, right, Real life is more interesting than something
you could write.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
But I think something in the back of Rebecca's head
was like, because Jackie said they were all they were actors,
not in a shady way, they were trainer and actors
and they want to be on TV and they cast them,
they cast them well.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And I think Rebecca was like she was in two
out of the six episodes last season, and I think
she was like, oh, think she generally liked her. But
I think when the cameras turn on.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Doesn't that mean to her?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Like to you Jackie, Jackie who I.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Think it was mutually beneficial.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
You don't think like you don't think Jackie actually fell
for her?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And no, I think I think they both feel for
each other, but I think they both helped them.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah, Jackie had only nice things to say about Rebecca.
They're still friends.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Okay, good, we'll see Okay.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
As a network executive, yeah, that depresses me. Yeah, because
I would like it to be real and I normally
can sniff out what is fake.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I think it's both real and they thought, hey, here's
an opportunity.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Well here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
As again as the network executive, like you know, we
on a daily basis get hot sheets and we do
weekly calls for the production company where they tell us
what is going on. Yeah, you know, you can sniff
through something fake.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I used to write hot sheets, right, and.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
So we would have the conversation and I would say
to the showrunner like, I don't know, this is feeling like.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
Made for TV? Is it made for TV?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Right?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
And if they would say yes.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
Because the the showrunners are honest and thank god because
the people little backfire.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
If you try to manufacture something fake, it backfire.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
And even if well, like there's a possibility that the
showruners had nothing to do with what Jackie totally and.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I don't think they did. I think they came up with.
Speaker 6 (28:26):
It, right, But that doesn't mean that they couldn't sniff
it out and think it was fake, right, right, So
as atwork network executive, I would have been like, make.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Them stop or don't follow that? Yeah, exactly, don't encourage them.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Turn the camera in a different direction. We shoot a
long period of time. There's a lot of production companies
and a lot of shows that are on a much
shorter time schedule. Yeah, when you're on a short schedule,
you have to make stuff happen, which means it's not
necessarily true and it is overly produced. They have to
be themselves And what we tell people is you have
to think out right.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
So anything I'm going to hold forth.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Hold for sound. It's a wedding weekend, it's raining outside,
there are people. We're basically at a mall.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Basically, oh my, oh my.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
God, we're at a nursing home.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Yes, okay, my home. I mean I am seventy five.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Same. Yeah, this is a sexy lesbian l word.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
And let's talk about how fact how like ahead of
its time?
Speaker 6 (29:29):
This show totally I mean, that's the other thing that
I love about Bravo is unapologetically unafraid to just be
who exactly Bravo.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
This wasn't on TV anywhere else, and in a weird way,
especially like Lesbian's there. In the first episode, they're tonguing
down at dinner and they're not cutting away now, I
think they would like cut away quicker.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
I think every straight woman ever watched Workout and was like.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Wait, am I god to I think people want to
be like her? Yeah, I don't know, can.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I tell you?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
So?
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Within the first ten minutes that I watched, I was
really interested in how quick the conflict resolution happened.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
It was amazing.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
I forget the.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Guy that Brian, he called her a bitch. In the last.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Episode, he goes in.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
They have a conversation that lasts maybe like a minute
and a half and they were like.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Good, we're over it.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
And that would have lasted episodes season. Yeah, sure, Brian.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
I worked on the season of Beverly Hills where.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
It was Lucy Lucy Apple juice.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
This was an entire season and I can't.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Even tell you what that drama was about a dog
that got returned adopted. The return Well that is that
is pretty serious. I mean, but like on hot can
you imagine the person write the hot sheets Lucy Lucy
Apple Still. I used to write them for Project Runway,
and I didn't really understand the job. Yeah, I had
Project I probably you probably read my hot sheets. I
was season five.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Oh you were the other one. I came on Project
Runway when it.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Came back to Bras Oh okay, okay. I was before
it went to Like, yeah, I used to write the
hot sheets and I didn't know that I could kind
of edit my own self, like I could skip a
couple of minutes, but I would write every single minute
of the timecode what was happening? I like logged it.
Oh my god, I was going crazy. I was also
on all that was crushed up and ingested.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
It was like the most meticulous hot sheets ever.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I found a keyboard shortcut that I could just hit
one keyboard and I wouldn't have to look at the time.
It would put the time code in, so here's what's happening,
here's what's happening. And they would just get these kind
of like live logged it, and I was like, this
is gonna be good. I'm going to be doing double
the work. They don't even need a logger. They needed
a logger. You needed logs on the footage, not just
real time.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
Well, I'm going to take shout out to Michael Back,
who does the best hot sheets. Love my team does
the best hot sheets because they're probably funny. Well they're funny,
but they also do bullets at the top of what
happens in each scene, so it's like the highlights and
then it goes.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
After all you need the nitty gritty, right.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
And then it goes into the nitty gritty. So I'm
just like, good to know.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Okay, Well, just as we've said it. The big stories,
Jackie is starting Skylab where she's getting several people together
to do hardcore intensive two week training, and one girl
can't do a plank.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
The plank situation.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
But the girl's just starting out.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
True, but there was a lot of planks that looked
like downward dog to me.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Oh yeah, I was like.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
She was patient with them as far as the trainer.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Goes, well, back in those days, it was kind of
like boot camp was starting up, so it's like, you
want a hard ass trainer to kick your ass. Now,
even when I go to Berri's, they're like, if at
any point you don't want to do anything, this is
all you. And I'm like, it's called Gray's boot Camp.
We came to get beaten. Zen is going to do
stand up comedy and then at the stand up show.
(32:56):
This is the second time Jackie has had sex in
a bathroom. She had sex in the l Coyote bathroom
last season, and she had sex in the bathroom of
Sushi Dan, which is now Crazy Rock and Sushi Wow.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
This is why every woman thought that perhaps.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
They were like, as a gay guy, like people are
going in the bathrooms all the time because guys can
just do that, But I didn't know women were.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
I mean, we're just as sexual.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I know, I know it's but it's always very like
clutching my pearls. I didn't really.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, I mean, I mean I would expect girls to
be hooking with a bathroom like at a bar when
everyone's wasted.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
But crazy rock and sushi. I don't know it. Just
El Coyote. I love it.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well. I did some stats. Let's see, well about public sex.
Do you think men or women report to have had
more public sex? Women or men?
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Women?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yes, fifty five percent of women said they've had sex
in a public space.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
You know why because women are more proud of it.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, it's an achievement.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, they're like, you know what I did that?
Speaker 4 (34:09):
I guess and men are like, no, no, no, I'm not
going to talk about it.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
You know why because it was an illicit mode, right,
and it was probably something I shouldn't be doing, and
so I'm not going to admit to it.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
My god, am I wrong?
Speaker 1 (34:21):
You're so right?
Speaker 5 (34:22):
I'm so right.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
See, I don't have the insight into the straight guy,
like gay guys are like, yeah, they're always having sex. Wow, okay, yeah,
fifty five percent of women forty eight percent of men.
What do you think the places are that people report
having sex in public? What are the public places most reported?
Definitely bathrooms bathrooms is number three?
Speaker 6 (34:43):
Ohays, number three, okay, number one public parks, yeah, parks, okay, parks.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
And then what's number two?
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Fields list there's a lot of fields forests.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
Still that's like where you get killed.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
No, we also get that's a bad books.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Yeah, that's a horror movie.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Box beaches chopped beaches is a big one.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Uncomfortable, the sands not fun.
Speaker 6 (35:11):
Yes, and.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Car, I think cars. What you live in LA?
Speaker 6 (35:17):
I know, I know, I know, but you have to
also remember I grew up in New York City.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
I didn't move to LA until fifteen years.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
Okay, okay, we didn't have a mature relationship with public sex.
Yeah no, I well, you and I had an issue
with your car. You had a Mini Cooper and we
went to Cafe Gratitude.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Band of White.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
We went to Cafe Gratitude.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
We had a lovely meal.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I had a lovely meal. We went back to your car.
This is before the pandemic. Back to your car and
there was someone had taken a rock and smashed your window.
And we looked around and there was there was We're
in a parking garage, right and there was an unhoused
going through it and we were like, hey, did you
(36:01):
see what happened to the car? And he like was
basically holding a rock. Yeah, He's like no, And then
they were like we need to We're like, what's your name?
And he told us his name was Vana White.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, and you got burgled.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
But I may we both laughed over it because it
was so absurd and ridiculous. I think I was at
first shocked, and then when he said Dana White, I
was like, Oh, of course.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Than a white.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Vana White vandalized your minia paper. Okay. I think that
is all the stats. And then Jesse's a chef and
she's going to start giving these people fifteen hundred calories
a day or thirteen hundred calories a day, and then
she brings everyone to her house. Jackime talking about brings
over to her house to give them a healthy recipe
and it's a shake with weigh protein flex seed. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Can we talk about the egg and the what you
can have an egg? And what she.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Tells tests in season one you can have one egg,
a hard boiled egg, and one small.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Apple all day or as a snack.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I don't think all day. I think it just means
that's that's a healthier option than the Lumberjack breakfast.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
I just ate anyway wait a way protein.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Wave protein, flax seed, frozen strawberries. I'm gonna sound good,
I know, but she sent me it sound like as
a revolutionary Well maybe at the.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
Time it was.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
I mean, now everybody talks about way Protein, but it
was like, oh, I think.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
So, what is there something that's ever happened on a
reality show that made you want to quit working in
the industry. You don't have to say what it is, yes, okay, yes, all.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
Right, yes, I mean, look, I'm not going to I'll
tell you about it of okay, okay. And I don't
know if it was working in the industry. I actually
never felt like I'm going to get out of this industry.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Right, you love it?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Well?
Speaker 6 (37:50):
I love what I do. I feel, you know, I
kind of fell into it. It wasn't something that I
thought like. I never was like I'm going to do unscripted.
Wanted to be a filmmaker. And when I got out
of college with an undergrad TV and film degree, I
was like, I want to go to graduate film school.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I want to go to Tish and I want.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
To be Spike Lee.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Right, like great how many few Spike Lee's are there
that actually go and make a college film that's going
to be She's got to have it.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
And then it's like very Spike Lee and they got right.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
And at the time, I remember being like, I'm going
to go to film school and my father said to me,
and I think it was like the best advice I
was ever given was like, if you want to be
a lawyer, you have to go to law school, right,
If you want to be a filmmaker, get a job
and see if you like yeah, And so that was it.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
That's how I fell in.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
You learn by doing. I know, I do TV jobs,
filmmaking jobs, like this is a great success story. It's
not Spike Lee filmmaking that you wanted to do, but
this is like, think of the jobs that are options
for people who want to work in TV. There's not
a lot of those either. Right now, you're really killing it, Listen.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
I'm really grateful.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
It's a time where it's really difficult in the industry
and really scary.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
And so I'm like.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
What's your favorite Bravo show to watch if you didn't
work there?
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (39:05):
God, well, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
I love yeah, I love Real Housewives of New York. Yeah,
Summerhouse this past week.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
I thought that was great.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
I am a true Bravo fan where.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
I will call a different executive if I don't work
on the show and I'm like, can I get access?
And I will plow through an entire season. So I've
seen like the first eleven episodes of Miami this season.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
Oh, great, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I love those guys.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I just I'm a huge fan
of all the shows.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
I'm really grateful.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
I you know, very few and far between do you
get to work at a place to actually watch the stuff?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Totally? Okay, let's go to this wedding. What's your favorite
reality show of all time?
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (39:48):
My god, first you tell me yours. I have to
think about it. What is my favorite reality show of
all time?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
My favorite reality show of all time would probably be
historically speaking, probably Ena Nicole, and I think that's the
second show I'm going to do for this show.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (40:09):
Yeah, I mean there's a throwback of an old Brava
one similar to Anna Nicole, the Whitney Houston Bobby Brown show.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Okay that they'refinitely doing the drugs fully the camera was
on them while they were doing it.
Speaker 6 (40:26):
It was pretty crazy. I mean talk about bravery.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
I love hey Paula.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
Oh my god, Hey Paula, and.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Like amazing Race. I take it back. My favorite reality
show is Traders.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
Traders is so fantastic and Alan Comming is such a gift.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
You have to watch the UK version though. I love
Alan Comming, but that host she's this woman, this like
goth emo British woman. She's so good. Okay, I will
let you go take your nap.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
I feel like we should end with a.
Speaker 6 (40:59):
Throwback to Gratitude, okay, and I'm going to say, John, Yes, you.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Are powerful.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Erica, you are insightful. When you go to Cafe Gratitude,
you have to fucking order like that.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Well the things that you order are actually they are
that what they are called.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I'll have. I am grateful.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
I will have the I'm grateful.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
You are you are grateful? Yeah? I love you all right,
I love you. I love you right back. Thank you
for joining us. Pete and I both send our love.
If you don't want Pete to starve to death, support
me on the Patreon. If you want Pete to be happy,
go like and subscribe. And follow me on all the platforms,
especially YouTube. Isn't that right, Pete? Support us on YouTube,
(41:45):
support us on the Patreon, do it for me, do
it for Pete, do it for us. Next week I'll
be on episode five, which is halfway through season two,
and special announcement, big news, Jeff Lewis will be making
his show Pony debut on that episode, so mark so
mark your calendars, set aside the day to just sit
(42:07):
back and goon.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
We'll see you next week.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
M M. Goodbye, h
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