John Hill swore he'd stop at Season 1... but the Jackie Warner obsession has fully taken over. In this explosive kickoff to Season 2 of Show Pony, John spirals deeper into Bravo madness, wandering NYC like a Sky Sport & Spa-possessed zombie—and yes, he even gets naked for the YouTube fans. Joining him is Andy's Girls host and Bravo authority Sarah Galli, who’s been decoding reality TV for a decade. Together, they unpack the cultural legacy of Workout, the unrelenting power of Jackie Warner, and what it means when Bravo takes over your soul. Subscribe, strip down, and saddle up—because Season 2 is off to an absolutely unhinged start.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Well, girl, we did it. I didn't know if I
could make it through one entire season of a TV
show without abandoning ship because this shit is a lot
of work. This shit is hard, but Workout has me
so deeply in its grasp I can't move on until
I finish the entire series. No matter where I go,
(00:37):
no matter what I do, I see Jackie. I feel her.
I feel skysport and Spat surrounding me, leading my every step.
I had intercourse last night, and I wasn't able to
achieve climax because I was wondering if Jackie's hair would
change for the next season. So because of the intensity
(00:58):
of my obsession, I'm jump right into season two with
no break. I feel like Jackie would be proud because
I've got what it takes. This season opens on text
that says dedicated to the memory of Doug, which gives
such a foreboding weight to the whole world of Workout.
(01:20):
The show looks better and bigger and brighter. They got
some new cameras, they got new lights. It doesn't look
like they filmed the entire thing through a burlap sack
like last season. Jackie has ramped up her personality leaning
into the drill sergeant role, and, in a departure from
last season, attempts a kind of loving fat shaming personality,
which I assume is a reaction to her perception that
(01:41):
that's an endearing role for her. It's not, and I
hope it doesn't last. I like Jackie when she's a
hard ass, but deep down everybody's biggest cheerleader. Jesse and
Doug are in a fight because of a misinterpretation of
something Doug said in an inner. Jesse takes it personally
(02:02):
and makes it about a supposed hierarchy in the gay community,
with fem gaze at the bottom and butch jock gaze
at the top. He calls himself gay fat when he's
afraid to take his shirt off of the beach. Jesse's
really going through it, but Doug really tries to step
in and sweetly let him see that what he meant
was a compliment. And it really makes me miss Doug.
(02:23):
Rest in peace, sweet angel, And just a personal note
for the people following along. Last week, you remember that
Jackie got COVID and had to cancel our big scheduled interview.
Well now it's rescheduled for tomorrow and at the time
of me recording this. Tomorrow is Memorial Day, so let's
hope she shows up. I wonder what she'll say. I
(02:49):
can't help, but wonder am I prepared to meet Jackie Warner?
Only God can say to help me dive into season two.
Is Sarah Gallant, the host of Andy's Girls, a Bravo podcast.
She's done for a decade with hundreds of hours of
Bravo dissection. She's a true expert and I'm going to
(03:10):
interview her in her closet, so wish me luck.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
See I don't know any of this because do I
hold it?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Hold it? You could clip it if you want, but
I like to hold it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Do you hold it?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay, Welcome to show Pony, Sarah Galley. There we are.
Everyone says that I should maybe do I should do
a better job of saying button. We're in the claw office, Yes,
Sarah Gali from Andy's Girls. Let's show everyone. Yes, the
Mike cube love that. I wish it would fit on
(03:43):
that little furry mic, but it won't.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Good Love.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
We just did your podcast we do, which I love doing.
You're a Bravo expert.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I I talk How long have you been doing Andy's Girls.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Nine years.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Holy wait.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I didn't know until I had a conversation with a
friend of mine and said, you know what, I think
it's actually been a decade, which is very very consistent
for me to not even think about it and then think,
you know what, I think I actually skipped that thing
that most people would like take a moment to focus on.
(04:20):
So yeah, I found out nine years. So ten years
in March or April.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Amazing, crazy, Yeah, congratulations, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And I I just said thank you so much for
coming on because I think I'm still recording.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Every Thank you so much for I did just do
your podcast, Yes for having me. And I also have
to say for for the viewer, do they have a name?
Pony people?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I was thinking Little Johnsters for.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
The That has to be it, right, for the little Johnsters.
I saw you in a production how many years.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Ago with Ben rimmelaur at The Two Platu and I
fell madly in love with you.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It was so funny. It was was.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
It two hand job or two man job or Octo Bottom?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It was the one about hairspray?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And which one was that one where you were like
writing a book it was, there was a different name.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
He named it. They were that I was basically like
reading an audiobook that didn't exist.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, it was really great. So I've been a fan
of yours for a while.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So it's such an that you saw that show I
was in a blackout. I don't remember those shows. I
remember that I was there, but I don't really remember
what was before I was sober.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But sometimes I think those were the most entertained. Wow,
you know that I entered. I say, I performed at
Andy's fiftieth in like an oxyconton blackout. And in that blackout,
I convinced myself that I was an insult comic and
I sang a song No, I roasted him, and then
I took the roast into the audience and I roasted
(05:58):
everyone there. Now, imagine the people who were at Andy's
fiftieth Valentino, DVF tough. I roasted them to their faces.
Alison Williams, I just I fucking went for it. Anyway,
did you watch Workout when it came on? I did.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Can we circle back to that one more time?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Did they how do they respond to the com comedic strategy.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
In the moment I was like, I killed, I have killed,
And then for years I was like so mortified, I'm
so embarrassed, and then like a year ago Andy was like,
oh no, that was the funniest thing ever.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So it was okay, yeah, we don't want to encourage.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It, but but it wasn't good. But it was like,
in terms of what I can do as a performer,
it was entertaining and funny and crazy, but like, we
don't Yeah, I don't need to do that again.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
When are you writing a book?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I wrote a book proposal and I need to kind
of do some work on it. People were interested. We
have so much to talk about. Also, there was something
on your podcast that I wanted to mention that I
couldn't on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Was it can we swear?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Can you swear on YouTube?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Not really, I'm gonna try not to you can.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I think there's something algorithmic where like if you swear
in the first like one minute, it won't push it
to people. Oh this is a cussing video, but it's.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I'm going to do it. I'm going to train myself
to not.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Just do it later. Love and don't describe graphic things.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Would have to experience them to know how to describe,
so we're good. We're okay.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Anyway, interesting you did, Sarah Galley were in your clothice,
which is I'm telling you could be a TikTok superstar.
If you just went through all this stuff and just
talk about one thing a day, you could be rich.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I'll have you help me with that, okay, my spiritual advisor.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You've talked about Bravo for a decade. Did you watch Workout?
Absolutely did in real time. I never watched it.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I remember or the Bravo of Yesteryear and like the.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It factor, like I've been that was my first.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I've been a Bravo that.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
It was so good in every time I see Jeremy Renner,
I think of like people don't even know people don't
even know what we know about Jeremy Renner from then.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That was a great show.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It was so cool.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
It was very real, very vulnerable, and it was true.
I was. I was an out of work actor at
the time when it was on, or maybe I was
in Hairsbury, but I was an actor pounding the pavement
and other thing, and I was like, this is getting
it right. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I loved it, and it was a different form of
reality TV than sometimes like what we see on Bravo.
And I think Bravo the idea of Bravo is so
much connected for good reason with like the Here and
Now the Housewives franchise all of that. But the show,
I mean, inside the Actors Studio unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So were you in high school during this? You don't
have to aid yourself, but where were you in two
thousand and six?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Oh? In elementarys?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Oh my god, you're so yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
We have a phrase on Andy Scrolls that I love
spiritual mid twenties plus.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Great, but I two thousand and six. College is yeah,
college okay.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Darren Karp was also. I think she was a freshman
in college or senior in college or something.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Love.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I've had Darren on the pod. I love Darren.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
She's so good, and she's a lesbian. We love so
Jackie's a big lesson. So basically I didn't know. I
started doing this podcast just to kind of like jump
in the waters. And I just finished season one finale,
just finished it, and I was like on a schedules'
I didn't know if I was even going to do
season two, but here we are. I decided to just
(09:41):
keep going, and there.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Are three seasons, which I didn't know until I was
on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And Doug's dead and Doug dies.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
When does Doug die? Spoiler alert?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I've known that he is going to pass I don't
know when he passes. I just know that it's in
this season at some point. And the first thing we
see when you Want season two, episode one is in
memory of Doug. And Doug's my favorite. He's so handsome, and.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I remember when that happened, like you do, I think
I did. Did you watch the show because I remembered
before you know, starting season two episode one?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Remember, I was like, somebody does and I couldn't. So
when they did the I was like, right, right right.
He was the one that everyone except I guess Jesse,
like really loved and had affection for. He had a
soulfulness and a kindness that maybe wasn't terribly.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well represented on the show.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Andy says that he did a reunion and he cried
in it because he was so touched by Doug.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I don't remember the union.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I don't either, and you can't find it. So I've
told Andy to go, Andy, go dig it up. So
they're going to dig it up for me.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I mean I remember his reunion for flipping out when
it was Jeff and Ryan like breaking up on camera.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Again, that was very intense. I feel like that was
on a couch, like he did a reunion on a couch, right,
But I don't remember the word. Oh that would be
an incredible to watch.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, so I he's I've tasked him with digging it
up out of the vault.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
He would be the one, you know, because you can't.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I looked it up. You can't find it on Amazon.
By the way, if you want to watch workout along
with me, it is ninety ninety nine for the whole season,
which I'm paying my own money.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yes, and I did not make that commitment. I thought
the one I.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Viseless, a priceless experience, and I am now considering making
that financial investment to watch what happens.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
The popularity of this podcast will make it available on peacock.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Why isn't it available? How do we make those decisions?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I thought it was so when I signed on. It's
not there. It Neither is Tabitha. I don't think I
thought she was, or maybe Tabitha is. I know, because
remember last year they probably did a big push. They
were like vintage Ravos, Peacock and I think d List
is there for sure, maybe old flipping out, but not
all of us. This is not on there.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I think Zoe's on there. Oh, I bet, because I've
caught up on Zoe and that was wild.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I did one day of work as a producer on
So it was great. My friend was a showrunner and
she was like, are you working? I need someone to
come in and I just was a field producer for
the day. We just sat around the studio and like
I shot them going about their business. I just did
one day.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
When she Quasi recently announced that Rachel, Zoe and Roger
were winning up, I thought to myself, I didn't even
know that was possible.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I know, and they've been together for one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Why break up now?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Literally like I but we'll never know because she's not
as much the you know, topic of conversation as she
once was.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But I was shocked by it.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, we were saying on your show, I would like
to do a vintage Bravo panel at Bravo Con, so
we're going to manifest that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I would love it.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I honestly think that also is such a specific concept
that I think attendees would lose their fucking minds, because
it's all lose their minds.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You can say, fucking Now, I think, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Phenomenal fucking I think that they would lose use their
minds because so many of us. I mean, it used
to be the conversation of like, who's your favorite housewife?
I've adjusted that a little and Andrew's girls, I always
say who's your spiritual housewife? Like who do you connect
with or disconnect with? Who's like someone that you love
or want to not be like it's been Shannon historically.
(13:19):
Wow where and I wrote a piece about sort of
trying to evolve out of that.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, I want you to evolve out of that. I do.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
She also happens to me in my top five and
I love her, But identifying with her is I think
extremely revealing.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Good for you for being honest about that. Yeah, yeah,
I'm trying to who mine? Would?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I should have asked you. Now we're answering. Now we're
talking about it.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
For a long time. It was Sonya, was it? Yeah?
Just yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I am I'm hoping. I'm hoping for the best for Sonya. Rita.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
She's she's I think dealing with some stuff right now,
and I'm hoping for the best for her and dinner
reservations and ambulance.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I hope she I hope she gets camped anyway back
to where I got so, I put a I was
doing this while I was doing other things. So two
thousand and seven, now we're in that. I dug deep.
I was like, where was I in two thousand and
seven and let me. I had to go into my
old AOL email address because I was like, who was
I and who was I talking to in two thousand
and seven. I have a general recollection, but like I
(14:21):
wanted to see it. Took me a minute to dig
up two thousand and seven emails, but I did it.
I spiraled, Yes, I wrote like a very I had
like a I was having breakdowns because I was producing
the first show that I had sold. I was also
field producing it. Oh my god, and I really struggled.
(14:45):
I just really struggled during that show. And I was
like emailing friends like I was. I was a crisis.
I was a chaotic crisis issue. In two thousand and seven,
I was emailing my dad back and forth like I'm depressed.
I just was depressed and anxious and it was crazy
to look back at that, like, Wow, my life was
actually I made it so much harder on myself and
I didn't have a lot of positivity anyway, that was
(15:07):
happening for me. In two thousand and seven, they have
better lighting and memory of Doug, better interview setups. They
have like a workout piece of machinery. They tried taglines,
which I noticed I did.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Not great because it didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Ifore I don't like me, you can go to hell.
That was Brian's I walked the Walk, I talked the talk.
That was Erica's. JACKI announced she's going to start sky Lab,
which is going to be if people want to come
for like a two week intensive. Don't really get it whatever.
The main thing is that at the end of the
last season she and Mimi broke up, which was the
(15:44):
big me Me threw a drink, she slapped her face.
It was very messy. So that's kind of what this episode.
We're kind of like getting the fall out of that,
and she's like, I've moved on. But then by the
end of the episode, they're in couples counseling.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And the therapist is like, why are you doing years off.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I'll say I don't like conversation. I don't like arguing.
I don't like seeing people fight. But when I was
watching them in couples counseling, I was making I was like,
this is amazing, like not amazing, enjoyable, but like they are.
It's not vague. They are actually having couples counseling and
they are really like they're having an amazing session.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
They both know they shouldn't be together.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I know, and it's strange. Jimi was twenty seven, twenty six,
Jackie was thirty seven, thirty eight or ten year difference,
and they say when they sit down, we have great
sex and that's why we're still together. But they in
the last season, I was like, they hate each other, right,
they cannot stand each other. And I remember, I don't
think I ever was the kind of person who liked
(16:44):
to spend time with someone sex or no sex with
someone I can't stand. I would rather not have sex
than be with someone I hate.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, they were leaning into the toxicity.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
In a way that was good for TV.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Good for TV it was, because she's like she's there's
like an element of not necessarily darkness but sadness.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, yeah, but she wouldn't have had that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
She could have had a different kind of it still
could have been great TV, just with her making ever
so slightly better choices for herself.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Well, I mean, I think that goes for a lot
of reality TV people. Probably, Oh, she takes him all
to the beach, Jesse takes his top off, and this
is what we do begin a body shaming, which was
it wasn't as bad in season one. She didn't call
anybody fat. I think maybe the fame of success of
season one, maybe she was hearing from people like, oh,
(17:40):
we love watching you like take people to task or something,
because this is a different side of Jackie we didn't see.
I saw her building people up. She didn't call anybody
fat or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I see.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
This is the thing of me watching the episode that
we're but not rewatching one, is I sort of only
remember her from this stage.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
She was very like just like a cheerleader for people.
She wasn't. She wasn't. I don't know. I think that
maybe she thought my bread and butter is going to
be being a hard ass or something like that because
she's doesn't. I feel bad for Jessie and he's like,
I'm not fat, I'm gay fat. He said that also
(18:19):
the word fat, like the way it's just like archaic.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, and that it's being framed in a way that
he's unsuccessful or that he would be unsuccessful as a
trainer to not look a very specific way. And what
you just said is interesting because I wonder for Jackie,
so much of the episode, the sort of reintroduction to
her is I'm very busy, I'm very successful, and I'm
(18:44):
looking to grow. And obviously she seemed to make the
decision that growth for her in the world of personal
training is directly correlated to weight loss.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Right, So that I think is this is during the
era of Biggest Loser. This is I was saying, and
I think three with Jess. Americans at this time wanted
to see fat people dropping pounds fast like that was
the entertainment. People were getting on their couches to be like,
who was my biggest loser. I didn't watch those shows,
but I did produce Dance Your Ass Off, which was
(19:16):
about people losing weight what dancing Lisa Walter Lisa and Walter.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Was my creator and head judge Elementary YEP.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Marissa Jarrett Winoker was the original host that Melb was
the season I produced. It was actually well, but the
thing is like a lot of them did slim down,
but you can't. You're not losing one hundred pounds by
doing the chalk shop right now. I don't know how
they were doing on the Biggest Loser, but I think
(19:47):
that was like months and months and months. This was
a couple a few months, but they were losing. The
network would always say, I do remember this. It was
on Oxygen and the network would always say five pounds
isn't a lot. They need to lose like fifty pounds.
And we were like, they're doing the waltz.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
They're doing the foxtrot. Like they're not losing seventy five pounds.
They're gonna lose fifteen in two months.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Phenomena.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And that's also I did like Lisa and Walter was great.
She was like, this is a healthier alternative Biggest Loser.
They're enjoying, they're doing something fun, we love dancing. They're
gonna get a little bit more in shape. Great. I
did they and they didn't do humiliating things, and they
didn't like they were It was an okay show. But
that's where we were at the time.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Wow, where was Richard Simmons during the time of workout?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I was taking his aerobic class. Shut up at Slimmons
from him?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Shut up? Yes see, that's a bucket list. That's a
bucket list.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Ricky Lake took me to Slimmons. She was friends with him,
and she was like, do you want to go to
Richard Simmons And I was like, oh, yeah, I'll get
my leg warmers and we'll dress up. She's like, no,
it's not like that, it's real, and she was right,
and I went religiously have died twice a week. It
was the most touching. He truly wanted people to get healthy.
(21:08):
Do you know this? Women who were like three hundred
four hundred pounds would sit in the back and they
would he would say, don't be embarrassed to come to class,
even if you can't walk, come to class and just
hang out with us and envision yourself doing what we're
doing and you'll eventually be able to And it was true.
They'd be like, Rose did her first sit up today,
(21:30):
and it was like it was really touching. I would
have they would sit in the back and they would
sit on chairs in their workout gear, and they would
and they would kind of like rock during the sit ups,
and they would kind of like do arms when they could,
and He's like, just keep doing that and eventually you'll
get to the point to stand up.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
There is a I don't know how culture looks at
Richard Simmons, now I do with a lot of just
like love. He's just seemed like a genuine lovely person.
And that's an example of someone talking about health, and
maybe health with weight loss at the forefront, but practice
through joy where holds it about shaming people, where it
(22:09):
was genuinely about experiencing something in the experience, not necessarily
being like weight loss at the forefront.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Right, Well, he was just the greatest anyway, that's what
he was doing. Let's just go through the big ones.
There's a new African American trainer named Greg who's dating
Zen Ellen kay Is on this show. Do you know
who Ellen kay is? I don't think she's on this episode.
She's the blonde who is working out.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Oh from Ryan Seacrest. Yes, she's still a part of
his show.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
No, she hosts her own show, The Ellen k Show,
And I know her and I love Ellen kay.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Her face sound it looked so familiar.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Okay. She I produced a show called oh My God,
The Proposal, which was Mike. What's the guy? Same Mike Flice,
the guy who created The Best Heidi's brother. Yeah, Mike
Flie did a show. It was one season hosted by
Jesse Palmer. Okay, do you watch Bachelor? Okay, he was
a bachelor. He's now like on Today's show or something. Okay,
(23:09):
he was the host. It was oh my God, a
woman in a shielded cage, right and a shielded pod.
They called it a bachelorette, right and a pod.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Love is blind?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Uh huh, it is. Love is blind, but it's marriage
is blind. So these guys would merit the first sight.
It's that. It was literally that these guys would come
down and they'd say, hey, I'm so and so from
Santa Monica. I love football, and they walk off and
she'd be like, Okay, I want to see these these
these they can't see.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Her, but she can see them.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
She can see them, and she's whittling them down and
then by the end one of them has to propose marriage.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
End of the episode or end of the season.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
The episode. Every episode was a different Bachelor Bachelorette?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Did they get married on camera? Was it like marriages
in forty five?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That's why this show only went one season. It was flying.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It doesn't mean anything because we could end this proposal immediately.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
After and how are you proposing to someone like you
haven't seen? It was crazy? Look it up? And ellen
K and I worked together because I wrote the copy
that this like comedic kind of there's a super cut
up and it's really funny that they did on some
late night shows, and ellen K read the copy in
a very like presenter voice, like it was a pageant. Anyway,
(24:23):
it's nice to see her. Oh, this was okay. The
saddest part was when Doug's X comes in kid Jo
Kiddy failure and then.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know that Doug's also going to pass.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And like, I have so many questions. By the way,
side note, do you know that another trainer? Yes, so
there's two. I don't know if I don't know someone.
They were like to it. I was like, don't we
not google it? I don't want to. I want to
react in real time.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Oh dies on the show?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Who I think on the show, but like somebody maybe
besides Doug, doesn't I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
A second death. But this was a thousand shows ago,
seven hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Years ago, seven hundred episodes ago, right, exactly. That's really sad.
It was really sweet. He's trying to help him get
healthy so that he can get a kidney drink.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And they were together for fourteen years.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And they had so much drama and that he used
to fight. It was it made me really like love them.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, you know, I hope he's doing okay. I hope
he's still with us.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I hope so too. I mean, or only an episode one,
so maybe maybe, maybe maybe the kidney solved it all.
I thought Dog was going to say he has kidney failure,
so I'm going to give him.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
The kidney we were watching.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It's just going to make him do some weights.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, but he might not have matched.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Exactly would you give a kidney to something?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But I have stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I have a nervous system disorder that almost killed me.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I don't want your kidneys, you.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I refuse to give them or honestly anything that you
can see here, including various parts of my body.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But I love other people who do that. And the
nice thing about a kidney donor is like living kidney donor.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
You got a couple, right, bog don't get any ideas
I'm not giving any of mine. I'm not giving nothing.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Well, I just think and again I fully support it. Well,
that's the thing is like you never know, you never know.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I also think it. I've heard it really hurts to donate.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's worse for the donor, right, But again, I fully
support it. And I think everyone.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Should give a kidney, just not maybe one day to
me honestly, but like just not specifically.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Want your kidney, but I don't want to give you mine.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I will visit you in the hospital or send you
a really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Text totally, or if you're singing to Gomez, unfollow you
on Twitter follow. She unfollowed her kidney donor, Francisca.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I think she just this is so terrible because I
like don't understand really the basics of the sort of
headlines of their celebrity. But I do know that she did.
According to people, she did actually just unfollow her best
friend whose name I forget. Her best friend went to
dinner with Benny Blanco and then Selena unfollowed her.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Okay, well, blaze through these and I'll play this like
tiny little game, and then we have to go because
I'm going to look at apartments.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
In New York happening today.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, I was gonna go run past one love. Jackie
goes to the salon with the whole there's this whole
like be story about Doug and Jesse being in a
fight because of interviews they both did post season one
and like success of the show. Doug says in a
complimentary way, Jesse reminds me of jack from Will and Grace,
which you mean is a compliment. Jesse took it to
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mean there's a hierarchy and like butch gay guys are
better than flaming, or he took it to me and
he was flaming because he goes I like to be
a positive gay role model. It wasn't about Jesse. I
am on team Doug. But they take it really and
Jackie doesn't help, like they take it all the way
to this event for lesbigay. What is the event for
lesbian and gays?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I just remember they were donating their work session. Yeah,
it showed a clip.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Of the show, so that is the thing I do.
I have been saying with her mom when her mom
on the show that conversation, say what you about Jackie
and the whole thing, But the fact that they were
having that conversation on mainstream TV at that time is major.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, but I yes, absolutely totally agree, and also being
at that kind of event, and if she didn't know
that clip was being used, it's like you're clinking glasses eating,
you know, someone always references it as a rubber chicken dinner,
but like you're eating like fancy food.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Maybe it's a little bit of a celebratory vibe.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And that is the clip that's shown.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That's just but that's what you do when you sign
up for reality to me, But I do also think like,
and maybe that's the reason she's there because of how
it connected with so many people, But also that's tough
to be in a room of folks and like this
is the innermost vulnerable part.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Of your experience on the show. And that's what I
get it. But I also think I empathize with her.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I have to imagine that they said in some she
may not have known they were going to show that,
which would have been so embarrassing, But also it did air,
and I think they probably said, like, your show is
doing so much for the community. We're gonna honor you
in some way. And then she did even say she's
like this. It was uncomfortable and.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Also probably helpful for her that the overwhelming response, as
she said, and as I think I remember from the audience,
was like we are we are here for you.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So she she had a different kind of family with
the audience, totally not same thing.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, chosen family. Yeah. She rents a room
so they can kind of hang out and drink during
and before and middle and after the party. The fight
between Doug and Jesse kind of pops off. Then they
go to couples therapy. We can wrap up the episode.
They go to a couples therapy her and Mimi and
have this huge explosion. And again I wasn't entertained in
(29:58):
a joyful way. I was riveted by watching them hash
their shit out. Sometimes on Delta, I'll watch the show
Couple Therapy. I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I am so behind on Couple Therapy, but I think
it's like, literally the probably the number one best show
on TV.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Okay, I'm gonna give you a litle quiz about two
thousand and.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Seven, just see so young barely remember.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
What reality composition showed debut in two thousand and seven,
where contestants lived in a kid run Old West style
town with no adults present. What kid Nation?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Okay, how did that go for everyone?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I think it was larkly panned who was the surprise
winner of Big Brother eight in two thousand and seven,
being out fan favorite Danielle Donado.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I'm not a Big Brother person.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Evil Dick which was that their name? Evil Dick Love,
which iconic Babbo show ended in two thousand and seven
after its fourth season and featured party planner Preston Bailey
and celebrity weddings. Oh, I never heard of the show.
I know who's it? Anyway?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I don't think I watched this single either.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Who was named People Magazine Sexies Man Alive in two
thousand and seven.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Kind of a hint.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
He has a Catholic prayer.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
App now, Mark Wahlbert, No.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I got it wrong. It's Matt Damon. I get them,
I get them confused. I'm sorry. Matt Damon is a hero.
What are you?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Oh my god? Shout out to Boston, Shout out to
New England. That was tough. You should, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
If I could make a special request fine Project Green
and the fie of it all and thinking about fie
of it all now versus then when it was cringe.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Then Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Oh okay, so such an incredible.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So I know this is what I've been talking about
doing after workout instead of going straight to Tabitha. I
think I'm gonna do Anonicole. Okay, I know, just because
I really want to, and there's not like I would
have to kind of force myself to do other shows
even though I would like them. But I love Anonicle
and I loved that show.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I honestly also love the idea of the first two
shows not being right.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I yeh.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I was probably with Jason and trying to build a brand.
What MTV show in two thousand and seven had contestants
Pica Date based solely on viewing their bedrooms and dirty laundry?
I don't remember any of the room raiders? Okay, which
reality of Jason Starr and tabloid figure died of an
overdose at the Seminole hard Rock Hotel in February two
thousand and seven. I just said her name?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Was it Anacol? She died where at.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The hard Rock hotel.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I was right after her son, Wasn't it like the
week her son died? I might be making that up.
It was like shortly after her son passed away.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Daniel, and I think I went to that hard rock
like a month later for some ree respect. No, I
was like stuck there for some reason.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
We had place to get stuck.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
No, it was actually a nightmare. It's a whole other story.
I think I might have for the book. Me and
Ben almost did that in that show that you saw
to do Blex. I had a whole.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Story about it, about oh, about the hotel.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
About being stuck in Florida. I was hired to be
an in flight magazine travel writer for an airplane. They
flew me to the Dominican Republic to do a story,
and then the airline went out of business while I
was in the Dominican Republic and I had to call
myself back to America, and I could only get as
far as Florida and then got to New York. I
don't remember how. I do remember how Mark Shaman's father
(33:17):
had passed and he was driving through and said I'll
pick you up. And I went to his dad's shiva,
and then the apartment. I mean, then the funeral, and
then he flew me home to New York. And then
I flew his cat to la as a thank you,
and I gave the cat a human ambient in the
plane because she was making such a fucking racket she
was making people were sulmer out at me, and so I.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Was like, God, damn it.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I shoved the ambient human ambient down her mouth, and
I was like, I don't care if she dies. I
want her to shut up. And she slept the entire time,
and she lived for like four more years, maybe two years,
two more years, three more.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Did you tell Mark Shaman just now I did, ahead
of everything.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I'm sure he would be thrilled that she had an ambient?
Can I just say Jackie got her DUI because she
was on ambient keep going?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
So we want to stay away from ambien.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I used to take ambient to go dance. I used
to crush it up and stort it and go to splash.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
But doesn't it take you out?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, but that's the fun.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Wait, what were you taking with the ambient?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Alcohol and other pills? Whatever I could find?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
So what was the It was just to elicit a
dramatic perspective.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
It makes you fucked up. That's why people get in
trouble on it all the time. So it's not great
to take.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I've never taken.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
It, and I'm about to go on a flight, and
I when I was thinking it was going to be
an overnight, I was like, I really should take something,
but I've only taken melos.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Maybe, or just I've never taken santax. Shouldn't ever take sanax.
That was the that was worse than fentanyl for me.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Which I've also not to my knowledge taken. But I'm
my concern with if I took one of them. I
really feel in my core being, having never taken any
of it, that I would try to open a door.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
And I just don't want to go viral in that way.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
This is something in me I know I'm gonna try,
which I would never do, but I think I just.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Have this paranoia that I might try to open a door.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's how I feel about hallucinogens, which I never did.
I if I did LSD or acid or something, I'd
be like, oh no, I can fly, let me jump
off this building.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Also, has anyone ever had like an allergy to the
mushrooms when they're taking shrooms because I think that would
be my story.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Probably you don't need to do any of it. I'm
telling you stay away from drugs. Who won American Idol
in two thousand and seven Season six Jordan Sparks which
Celebrity was released from jail in two thousand and seven
after serving time for violating probation. O. J. Simpson Paris Hilton, Close,
Very Close, which Disney Channel movie, the second Innis franchise,
broke cable TV viewership records when it premiered in August
(35:45):
two thousand and seven. Clue School Musical Too. I thought
you that Clue the movie.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Like High School Musical on Ice in Argentina.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I saw in La but I loved it.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I enjoyed. A friend of mine was stripping one of
the dancers skater skater ensemble members.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
When the Richard sisters were on Celebrities Skater or they
were divers, which Bethony Frankel was a skater.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
And her spin off was I think right didn't involve
a lot of her stress with the skating.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That's so stupid.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I can't believe they were celebrity div What.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Song was the top Billboard Hot one hundred single of
two thousand and seven. She's currently on tour at Medlife Beyonce.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Correct, what was the song?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
It's one word he replaceable?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Oh, Sarah, I want not to remember.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
However, we do, we do acknowledge the people here. Tell
them where they can find you.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You can find me on Instagram at Dame CALLI listen
to my podcast and maybe one day watch it, which
is all about the psychology behind Bravo and other.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Forms of TV. Wherever you listen to your favorite podcast.
Did I say Dame Gally on Instagram?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, we're going to get you. We're going to get
you on video.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I'm on you video.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
It's you. It's what you need to do at your decade.
Mark be like, y'all, we're launching.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Honestly for a show that's all about weight loss, the
body dysmorphia of it all.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
In filming video is not ideal for me, think, but
I think it'd be helpful.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I think, yeah, but it's like radical whatever the fuck
exposure therapy.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I don't want that, but like start small. I think
you should do your show on YouTube. Okay, and you
the thing is the great thing. You control what goes
out and if you don't like the way it looks.
You don't upload it.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
And I'm telling you, I will tell you what to
do in this room, okay, so that you feel like
you look adorable.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Well that's the other thing is I don't know, and
I don't know how to use this space. And I
don't know if viewers can see this wall. But I
have a wall of like Bravo stuff and other stuff
that was I think in vision to be the wall
if I did video, but then I just personally when
I'm on a zoom, like seeing my dresses and shoes
in the background colorful.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That's my thing.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
So I and also that doesn't have a single thing
that says Andy Scrolls. But if people can see it,
which I don't think that they can. There are are
tropical jelly beans that Kelly Klorn Ben Simone signed at
a live show she did for Andy Scrolls, and those
stay with me. And also memories of my Dad box
filled with memories and I have put literally nothing inside
of it. Someone sent it to me and I don't
(38:14):
know what to do with it. So it's an empty
box of memories.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
If I'm experimenting, I'm experimenting now with like, if I
were shooting your show, please, this is the framing I
would use, and like.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
You'll show that to me. It's like, oh, we're going low.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
No, I'm just like, I think it's such a great look.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Okay, I think I've been hunched over the entire time.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I would put something like a plant behind you there.
I can't see the book.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I have a dead plant we can put there.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Or some sort of just a colorful vase something there.
Just a tall thing to fill that space. Okay, maybe
even like one of those lights that you don't plug in,
but it like sucks to the top and you just
touch it and kind of glow. You're going. I'm telling you,
I can set dress this set.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Would love it.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You really should. And you can film it one shot
like this union two cams. Just do one and then
I can help you. Thank you, I've inspired it. Thank you,
Thank you for joining us. Thank you for joining us.
For Show Pony episode seven, covering Workout Season two. Don't
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Well, girl, we did it. I didn't know if I
could make it through one entire season of a TV
show without abandoning ship because this shit is a lot
of work. This shit is hard, but Workout has me
so deeply in its grasp I can't move on until
I finish the entire series. No matter where I go,
(00:37):
no matter what I do, I see Jackie. I feel her.
I feel skysport and Spat surrounding me, leading my every step.
I had intercourse last night, and I wasn't able to
achieve climax because I was wondering if Jackie's hair would
change for the next season. So because of the intensity
(00:58):
of my obsession, I'm jump right into season two with
no break. I feel like Jackie would be proud because
I've got what it takes. This season opens on text
that says dedicated to the memory of Doug, which gives
such a foreboding weight to the whole world of Workout.
(01:20):
The show looks better and bigger and brighter. They got
some new cameras, they got new lights. It doesn't look
like they filmed the entire thing through a burlap sack
like last season. Jackie has ramped up her personality leaning
into the drill sergeant role, and, in a departure from
last season, attempts a kind of loving fat shaming personality,
which I assume is a reaction to her perception that
(01:41):
that's an endearing role for her. It's not, and I
hope it doesn't last. I like Jackie when she's a
hard ass, but deep down everybody's biggest cheerleader. Jesse and
Doug are in a fight because of a misinterpretation of
something Doug said in an inner. Jesse takes it personally
(02:02):
and makes it about a supposed hierarchy in the gay community,
with fem gaze at the bottom and butch jock gaze
at the top. He calls himself gay fat when he's
afraid to take his shirt off of the beach. Jesse's
really going through it, but Doug really tries to step
in and sweetly let him see that what he meant
was a compliment. And it really makes me miss Doug.
(02:23):
Rest in peace, sweet angel, And just a personal note
for the people following along. Last week, you remember that
Jackie got COVID and had to cancel our big scheduled interview.
Well now it's rescheduled for tomorrow and at the time
of me recording this. Tomorrow is Memorial Day, so let's
hope she shows up. I wonder what she'll say. I
(02:49):
can't help, but wonder am I prepared to meet Jackie Warner?
Only God can say to help me dive into season two.
Is Sarah Gallant, the host of Andy's Girls, a Bravo podcast.
She's done for a decade with hundreds of hours of
Bravo dissection. She's a true expert and I'm going to
(03:10):
interview her in her closet, so wish me luck.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
See I don't know any of this because do I
hold it?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Hold it? You could clip it if you want, but
I like to hold it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Do you hold it?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay, Welcome to show Pony, Sarah Galley. There we are.
Everyone says that I should maybe do I should do
a better job of saying button. We're in the claw office, Yes,
Sarah Gali from Andy's Girls. Let's show everyone. Yes, the
Mike cube love that. I wish it would fit on
(03:43):
that little furry mic, but it won't.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Good Love.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
We just did your podcast we do, which I love doing.
You're a Bravo expert.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I I talk How long have you been doing Andy's Girls.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Nine years.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Holy wait.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I didn't know until I had a conversation with a
friend of mine and said, you know what, I think
it's actually been a decade, which is very very consistent
for me to not even think about it and then think,
you know what, I think I actually skipped that thing
that most people would like take a moment to focus on.
(04:20):
So yeah, I found out nine years. So ten years
in March or April.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Amazing, crazy, Yeah, congratulations, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
And I I just said thank you so much for
coming on because I think I'm still recording.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Every Thank you so much for I did just do
your podcast, Yes for having me. And I also have
to say for for the viewer, do they have a name?
Pony people?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I was thinking Little Johnsters for.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
The That has to be it, right, for the little Johnsters.
I saw you in a production how many years.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Ago with Ben rimmelaur at The Two Platu and I
fell madly in love with you.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It was so funny. It was was.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
It two hand job or two man job or Octo Bottom?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It was the one about hairspray?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And which one was that one where you were like
writing a book it was, there was a different name.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
He named it. They were that I was basically like
reading an audiobook that didn't exist.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, it was really great. So I've been a fan
of yours for a while.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So it's such an that you saw that show I
was in a blackout. I don't remember those shows. I
remember that I was there, but I don't really remember
what was before I was sober.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But sometimes I think those were the most entertained. Wow,
you know that I entered. I say, I performed at
Andy's fiftieth in like an oxyconton blackout. And in that blackout,
I convinced myself that I was an insult comic and
I sang a song No, I roasted him, and then
I took the roast into the audience and I roasted
(05:58):
everyone there. Now, imagine the people who were at Andy's
fiftieth Valentino, DVF tough. I roasted them to their faces.
Alison Williams, I just I fucking went for it. Anyway,
did you watch Workout when it came on? I did.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Can we circle back to that one more time?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Did they how do they respond to the com comedic strategy.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
In the moment I was like, I killed, I have killed,
And then for years I was like so mortified, I'm
so embarrassed, and then like a year ago Andy was like,
oh no, that was the funniest thing ever.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So it was okay, yeah, we don't want to encourage.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It, but but it wasn't good. But it was like,
in terms of what I can do as a performer,
it was entertaining and funny and crazy, but like, we
don't Yeah, I don't need to do that again.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
When are you writing a book?
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I wrote a book proposal and I need to kind
of do some work on it. People were interested. We
have so much to talk about. Also, there was something
on your podcast that I wanted to mention that I
couldn't on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Was it can we swear?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Can you swear on YouTube?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Not really, I'm gonna try not to you can.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I think there's something algorithmic where like if you swear
in the first like one minute, it won't push it
to people. Oh this is a cussing video, but it's.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I'm going to do it. I'm going to train myself
to not.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Just do it later. Love and don't describe graphic things.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Would have to experience them to know how to describe,
so we're good. We're okay.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Anyway, interesting you did, Sarah Galley were in your clothice,
which is I'm telling you could be a TikTok superstar.
If you just went through all this stuff and just
talk about one thing a day, you could be rich.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I'll have you help me with that, okay, my spiritual advisor.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You've talked about Bravo for a decade. Did you watch Workout?
Absolutely did in real time. I never watched it.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I remember or the Bravo of Yesteryear and like the.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
It factor, like I've been that was my first.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I've been a Bravo that.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
It was so good in every time I see Jeremy Renner,
I think of like people don't even know people don't
even know what we know about Jeremy Renner from then.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That was a great show.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
It was so cool.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
It was very real, very vulnerable, and it was true.
I was. I was an out of work actor at
the time when it was on, or maybe I was
in Hairsbury, but I was an actor pounding the pavement
and other thing, and I was like, this is getting
it right. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
I loved it, and it was a different form of
reality TV than sometimes like what we see on Bravo.
And I think Bravo the idea of Bravo is so
much connected for good reason with like the Here and
Now the Housewives franchise all of that. But the show,
I mean, inside the Actors Studio unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So were you in high school during this? You don't
have to aid yourself, but where were you in two
thousand and six?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Oh? In elementarys?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Oh my god, you're so yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
We have a phrase on Andy Scrolls that I love
spiritual mid twenties plus.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Great, but I two thousand and six. College is yeah,
college okay.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Darren Karp was also. I think she was a freshman
in college or senior in college or something.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Love.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I've had Darren on the pod. I love Darren.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
She's so good, and she's a lesbian. We love so
Jackie's a big lesson. So basically I didn't know. I
started doing this podcast just to kind of like jump
in the waters. And I just finished season one finale,
just finished it, and I was like on a schedules'
I didn't know if I was even going to do
season two, but here we are. I decided to just
(09:41):
keep going, and there.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Are three seasons, which I didn't know until I was
on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And Doug's dead and Doug dies.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
When does Doug die? Spoiler alert?
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I've known that he is going to pass I don't
know when he passes. I just know that it's in
this season at some point. And the first thing we
see when you Want season two, episode one is in
memory of Doug. And Doug's my favorite. He's so handsome, and.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I remember when that happened, like you do, I think
I did. Did you watch the show because I remembered
before you know, starting season two episode one?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Remember, I was like, somebody does and I couldn't. So
when they did the I was like, right, right right.
He was the one that everyone except I guess Jesse,
like really loved and had affection for. He had a
soulfulness and a kindness that maybe wasn't terribly.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well represented on the show.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Andy says that he did a reunion and he cried
in it because he was so touched by Doug.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I don't remember the union.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I don't either, and you can't find it. So I've
told Andy to go, Andy, go dig it up. So
they're going to dig it up for me.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I mean I remember his reunion for flipping out when
it was Jeff and Ryan like breaking up on camera.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Again, that was very intense. I feel like that was
on a couch, like he did a reunion on a couch, right,
But I don't remember the word. Oh that would be
an incredible to watch.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, so I he's I've tasked him with digging it
up out of the vault.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
He would be the one, you know, because you can't.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I looked it up. You can't find it on Amazon.
By the way, if you want to watch workout along
with me, it is ninety ninety nine for the whole season,
which I'm paying my own money.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yes, and I did not make that commitment. I thought
the one I.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Viseless, a priceless experience, and I am now considering making
that financial investment to watch what happens.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
The popularity of this podcast will make it available on peacock.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Why isn't it available? How do we make those decisions?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I thought it was so when I signed on. It's
not there. It Neither is Tabitha. I don't think I
thought she was, or maybe Tabitha is. I know, because
remember last year they probably did a big push. They
were like vintage Ravos, Peacock and I think d List
is there for sure, maybe old flipping out, but not
all of us. This is not on there.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I think Zoe's on there. Oh, I bet, because I've
caught up on Zoe and that was wild.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I did one day of work as a producer on
So it was great. My friend was a showrunner and
she was like, are you working? I need someone to
come in and I just was a field producer for
the day. We just sat around the studio and like
I shot them going about their business. I just did
one day.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
When she Quasi recently announced that Rachel, Zoe and Roger
were winning up, I thought to myself, I didn't even
know that was possible.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
I know, and they've been together for one hundred years.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Why break up now?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Literally like I but we'll never know because she's not
as much the you know, topic of conversation as she
once was.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But I was shocked by it.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, we were saying on your show, I would like
to do a vintage Bravo panel at Bravo Con, so
we're going to manifest that.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I would love it.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I honestly think that also is such a specific concept
that I think attendees would lose their fucking minds, because
it's all lose their minds.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You can say, fucking Now, I think, okay.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Phenomenal fucking I think that they would lose use their
minds because so many of us. I mean, it used
to be the conversation of like, who's your favorite housewife?
I've adjusted that a little and Andrew's girls, I always
say who's your spiritual housewife? Like who do you connect
with or disconnect with? Who's like someone that you love
or want to not be like it's been Shannon historically.
(13:19):
Wow where and I wrote a piece about sort of
trying to evolve out of that.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yes, I want you to evolve out of that. I do.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
She also happens to me in my top five and
I love her, But identifying with her is I think
extremely revealing.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Good for you for being honest about that. Yeah, yeah,
I'm trying to who mine? Would?
Speaker 2 (13:38):
I should have asked you. Now we're answering. Now we're
talking about it.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
For a long time. It was Sonya, was it? Yeah?
Just yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I am I'm hoping. I'm hoping for the best for Sonya. Rita.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
She's she's I think dealing with some stuff right now,
and I'm hoping for the best for her and dinner
reservations and ambulance.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I hope she I hope she gets camped anyway back
to where I got so, I put a I was
doing this while I was doing other things. So two
thousand and seven, now we're in that. I dug deep.
I was like, where was I in two thousand and
seven and let me. I had to go into my
old AOL email address because I was like, who was
I and who was I talking to in two thousand
and seven. I have a general recollection, but like I
(14:21):
wanted to see it. Took me a minute to dig
up two thousand and seven emails, but I did it.
I spiraled, Yes, I wrote like a very I had
like a I was having breakdowns because I was producing
the first show that I had sold. I was also
field producing it. Oh my god, and I really struggled.
(14:45):
I just really struggled during that show. And I was
like emailing friends like I was. I was a crisis.
I was a chaotic crisis issue. In two thousand and seven,
I was emailing my dad back and forth like I'm depressed.
I just was depressed and anxious and it was crazy
to look back at that, like, Wow, my life was
actually I made it so much harder on myself and
I didn't have a lot of positivity anyway, that was
(15:07):
happening for me. In two thousand and seven, they have
better lighting and memory of Doug, better interview setups. They
have like a workout piece of machinery. They tried taglines,
which I noticed I did.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Not great because it didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Ifore I don't like me, you can go to hell.
That was Brian's I walked the Walk, I talked the talk.
That was Erica's. JACKI announced she's going to start sky Lab,
which is going to be if people want to come
for like a two week intensive. Don't really get it whatever.
The main thing is that at the end of the
last season she and Mimi broke up, which was the
(15:44):
big me Me threw a drink, she slapped her face.
It was very messy. So that's kind of what this episode.
We're kind of like getting the fall out of that,
and she's like, I've moved on. But then by the
end of the episode, they're in couples counseling.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And the therapist is like, why are you doing years off.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I'll say I don't like conversation. I don't like arguing.
I don't like seeing people fight. But when I was
watching them in couples counseling, I was making I was like,
this is amazing, like not amazing, enjoyable, but like they are.
It's not vague. They are actually having couples counseling and
they are really like they're having an amazing session.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
They both know they shouldn't be together.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I know, and it's strange. Jimi was twenty seven, twenty six,
Jackie was thirty seven, thirty eight or ten year difference,
and they say when they sit down, we have great
sex and that's why we're still together. But they in
the last season, I was like, they hate each other, right,
they cannot stand each other. And I remember, I don't
think I ever was the kind of person who liked
(16:44):
to spend time with someone sex or no sex with
someone I can't stand. I would rather not have sex
than be with someone I hate.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, they were leaning into the toxicity.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
In a way that was good for TV.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I don't know how.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Good for TV it was, because she's like she's there's
like an element of not necessarily darkness but sadness.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, yeah, but she wouldn't have had that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
She could have had a different kind of it still
could have been great TV, just with her making ever
so slightly better choices for herself.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Well, I mean, I think that goes for a lot
of reality TV people. Probably, Oh, she takes him all
to the beach, Jesse takes his top off, and this
is what we do begin a body shaming, which was
it wasn't as bad in season one. She didn't call
anybody fat. I think maybe the fame of success of
season one, maybe she was hearing from people like, oh,
(17:40):
we love watching you like take people to task or something,
because this is a different side of Jackie we didn't see.
I saw her building people up. She didn't call anybody
fat or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I see.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
This is the thing of me watching the episode that
we're but not rewatching one, is I sort of only
remember her from this stage.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
She was very like just like a cheerleader for people.
She wasn't. She wasn't. I don't know. I think that
maybe she thought my bread and butter is going to
be being a hard ass or something like that because
she's doesn't. I feel bad for Jessie and he's like,
I'm not fat, I'm gay fat. He said that also
(18:19):
the word fat, like the way it's just like archaic.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Yeah, and that it's being framed in a way that
he's unsuccessful or that he would be unsuccessful as a
trainer to not look a very specific way. And what
you just said is interesting because I wonder for Jackie,
so much of the episode, the sort of reintroduction to
her is I'm very busy, I'm very successful, and I'm
(18:44):
looking to grow. And obviously she seemed to make the
decision that growth for her in the world of personal
training is directly correlated to weight loss.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Right, So that I think is this is during the
era of Biggest Loser. This is I was saying, and
I think three with Jess. Americans at this time wanted
to see fat people dropping pounds fast like that was
the entertainment. People were getting on their couches to be like,
who was my biggest loser. I didn't watch those shows,
but I did produce Dance Your Ass Off, which was
(19:16):
about people losing weight what dancing Lisa Walter Lisa and Walter.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Was my creator and head judge Elementary YEP.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Marissa Jarrett Winoker was the original host that Melb was
the season I produced. It was actually well, but the
thing is like a lot of them did slim down,
but you can't. You're not losing one hundred pounds by
doing the chalk shop right now. I don't know how
they were doing on the Biggest Loser, but I think
(19:47):
that was like months and months and months. This was
a couple a few months, but they were losing. The
network would always say, I do remember this. It was
on Oxygen and the network would always say five pounds
isn't a lot. They need to lose like fifty pounds.
And we were like, they're doing the waltz.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
They're doing the foxtrot. Like they're not losing seventy five pounds.
They're gonna lose fifteen in two months.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Phenomena.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
And that's also I did like Lisa and Walter was great.
She was like, this is a healthier alternative Biggest Loser.
They're enjoying, they're doing something fun, we love dancing. They're
gonna get a little bit more in shape. Great. I
did they and they didn't do humiliating things, and they
didn't like they were It was an okay show. But
that's where we were at the time.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Wow, where was Richard Simmons during the time of workout?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I was taking his aerobic class. Shut up at Slimmons
from him?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Shut up? Yes see, that's a bucket list. That's a
bucket list.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Ricky Lake took me to Slimmons. She was friends with him,
and she was like, do you want to go to
Richard Simmons And I was like, oh, yeah, I'll get
my leg warmers and we'll dress up. She's like, no,
it's not like that, it's real, and she was right,
and I went religiously have died twice a week. It
was the most touching. He truly wanted people to get healthy.
(21:08):
Do you know this? Women who were like three hundred
four hundred pounds would sit in the back and they
would he would say, don't be embarrassed to come to class,
even if you can't walk, come to class and just
hang out with us and envision yourself doing what we're
doing and you'll eventually be able to And it was true.
They'd be like, Rose did her first sit up today,
(21:30):
and it was like it was really touching. I would
have they would sit in the back and they would
sit on chairs in their workout gear, and they would
and they would kind of like rock during the sit ups,
and they would kind of like do arms when they could,
and He's like, just keep doing that and eventually you'll
get to the point to stand up.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
There is a I don't know how culture looks at
Richard Simmons, now I do with a lot of just
like love. He's just seemed like a genuine lovely person.
And that's an example of someone talking about health, and
maybe health with weight loss at the forefront, but practice
through joy where holds it about shaming people, where it
(22:09):
was genuinely about experiencing something in the experience, not necessarily
being like weight loss at the forefront.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Right, Well, he was just the greatest anyway, that's what
he was doing. Let's just go through the big ones.
There's a new African American trainer named Greg who's dating
Zen Ellen kay Is on this show. Do you know
who Ellen kay is? I don't think she's on this episode.
She's the blonde who is working out.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Oh from Ryan Seacrest. Yes, she's still a part of
his show.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
No, she hosts her own show, The Ellen k Show,
And I know her and I love Ellen kay.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Her face sound it looked so familiar.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Okay. She I produced a show called oh My God,
The Proposal, which was Mike. What's the guy? Same Mike Flice,
the guy who created The Best Heidi's brother. Yeah, Mike
Flie did a show. It was one season hosted by
Jesse Palmer. Okay, do you watch Bachelor? Okay, he was
a bachelor. He's now like on Today's show or something. Okay,
(23:09):
he was the host. It was oh my God, a
woman in a shielded cage, right and a shielded pod.
They called it a bachelorette, right and a pod.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Love is blind?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Uh huh, it is. Love is blind, but it's marriage
is blind. So these guys would merit the first sight.
It's that. It was literally that these guys would come
down and they'd say, hey, I'm so and so from
Santa Monica. I love football, and they walk off and
she'd be like, Okay, I want to see these these
these they can't see.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Her, but she can see them.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
She can see them, and she's whittling them down and
then by the end one of them has to propose marriage.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
End of the episode or end of the season.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
The episode. Every episode was a different Bachelor Bachelorette?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Did they get married on camera? Was it like marriages
in forty five?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
That's why this show only went one season. It was flying.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It doesn't mean anything because we could end this proposal immediately.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
After and how are you proposing to someone like you
haven't seen? It was crazy? Look it up? And ellen
K and I worked together because I wrote the copy
that this like comedic kind of there's a super cut
up and it's really funny that they did on some
late night shows, and ellen K read the copy in
a very like presenter voice, like it was a pageant. Anyway,
(24:23):
it's nice to see her. Oh, this was okay. The
saddest part was when Doug's X comes in kid Jo
Kiddy failure and then.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know that Doug's also going to pass.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And like, I have so many questions. By the way,
side note, do you know that another trainer? Yes, so
there's two. I don't know if I don't know someone.
They were like to it. I was like, don't we
not google it? I don't want to. I want to
react in real time.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Oh dies on the show?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Who I think on the show, but like somebody maybe
besides Doug, doesn't I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
A second death. But this was a thousand shows ago,
seven hundred.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Years ago, seven hundred episodes ago, right, exactly. That's really sad.
It was really sweet. He's trying to help him get
healthy so that he can get a kidney drink.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And they were together for fourteen years.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
And they had so much drama and that he used
to fight. It was it made me really like love them.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, you know, I hope he's doing okay. I hope
he's still with us.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I hope so too. I mean, or only an episode one,
so maybe maybe, maybe maybe the kidney solved it all.
I thought Dog was going to say he has kidney failure,
so I'm going to give him.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
The kidney we were watching.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
It's just going to make him do some weights.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, but he might not have matched.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Exactly would you give a kidney to something?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But I have stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I have a nervous system disorder that almost killed me.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I don't want your kidneys, you.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I refuse to give them or honestly anything that you
can see here, including various parts of my body.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
But I love other people who do that. And the
nice thing about a kidney donor is like living kidney donor.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
You got a couple, right, bog don't get any ideas
I'm not giving any of mine. I'm not giving nothing.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Well, I just think and again I fully support it. Well,
that's the thing is like you never know, you never know.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I also think it. I've heard it really hurts to donate.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's worse for the donor, right, But again, I fully
support it. And I think everyone.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Should give a kidney, just not maybe one day to
me honestly, but like just not specifically.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Want your kidney, but I don't want to give you mine.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I will visit you in the hospital or send you
a really beautiful.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Text totally, or if you're singing to Gomez, unfollow you
on Twitter follow. She unfollowed her kidney donor, Francisca.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I think she just this is so terrible because I
like don't understand really the basics of the sort of
headlines of their celebrity. But I do know that she did.
According to people, she did actually just unfollow her best
friend whose name I forget. Her best friend went to
dinner with Benny Blanco and then Selena unfollowed her.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Okay, well, blaze through these and I'll play this like
tiny little game, and then we have to go because
I'm going to look at apartments.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
In New York happening today.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, I was gonna go run past one love. Jackie
goes to the salon with the whole there's this whole
like be story about Doug and Jesse being in a
fight because of interviews they both did post season one
and like success of the show. Doug says in a
complimentary way, Jesse reminds me of jack from Will and Grace,
which you mean is a compliment. Jesse took it to
(27:37):
mean there's a hierarchy and like butch gay guys are
better than flaming, or he took it to me and
he was flaming because he goes I like to be
a positive gay role model. It wasn't about Jesse. I
am on team Doug. But they take it really and
Jackie doesn't help, like they take it all the way
to this event for lesbigay. What is the event for
lesbian and gays?
Speaker 2 (27:57):
I just remember they were donating their work session. Yeah,
it showed a clip.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Of the show, so that is the thing I do.
I have been saying with her mom when her mom
on the show that conversation, say what you about Jackie
and the whole thing, But the fact that they were
having that conversation on mainstream TV at that time is major.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah, but I yes, absolutely totally agree, and also being
at that kind of event, and if she didn't know
that clip was being used, it's like you're clinking glasses eating,
you know, someone always references it as a rubber chicken dinner,
but like you're eating like fancy food.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Maybe it's a little bit of a celebratory vibe.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And that is the clip that's shown.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
That's just but that's what you do when you sign
up for reality to me, But I do also think like,
and maybe that's the reason she's there because of how
it connected with so many people, But also that's tough
to be in a room of folks and like this
is the innermost vulnerable part.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Of your experience on the show. And that's what I
get it. But I also think I empathize with her.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I have to imagine that they said in some she
may not have known they were going to show that,
which would have been so embarrassing, But also it did air,
and I think they probably said, like, your show is
doing so much for the community. We're gonna honor you
in some way. And then she did even say she's
like this. It was uncomfortable and.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Also probably helpful for her that the overwhelming response, as
she said, and as I think I remember from the audience,
was like we are we are here for you.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So she she had a different kind of family with
the audience, totally not same thing.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, chosen family. Yeah. She rents a room
so they can kind of hang out and drink during
and before and middle and after the party. The fight
between Doug and Jesse kind of pops off. Then they
go to couples therapy. We can wrap up the episode.
They go to a couples therapy her and Mimi and
have this huge explosion. And again I wasn't entertained in
(29:58):
a joyful way. I was riveted by watching them hash
their shit out. Sometimes on Delta, I'll watch the show
Couple Therapy. I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
I am so behind on Couple Therapy, but I think
it's like, literally the probably the number one best show
on TV.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Okay, I'm gonna give you a litle quiz about two
thousand and.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Seven, just see so young barely remember.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
What reality composition showed debut in two thousand and seven,
where contestants lived in a kid run Old West style
town with no adults present. What kid Nation?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Okay, how did that go for everyone?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I think it was larkly panned who was the surprise
winner of Big Brother eight in two thousand and seven,
being out fan favorite Danielle Donado.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
I'm not a Big Brother person.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Evil Dick which was that their name? Evil Dick Love,
which iconic Babbo show ended in two thousand and seven
after its fourth season and featured party planner Preston Bailey
and celebrity weddings. Oh, I never heard of the show.
I know who's it? Anyway?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
I don't think I watched this single either.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Who was named People Magazine Sexies Man Alive in two
thousand and seven.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Kind of a hint.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
He has a Catholic prayer.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
App now, Mark Wahlbert, No.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
I got it wrong. It's Matt Damon. I get them,
I get them confused. I'm sorry. Matt Damon is a hero.
What are you?
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Oh my god? Shout out to Boston, Shout out to
New England. That was tough. You should, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
If I could make a special request fine Project Green
and the fie of it all and thinking about fie
of it all now versus then when it was cringe.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Then Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Oh okay, so such an incredible.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
So I know this is what I've been talking about
doing after workout instead of going straight to Tabitha. I
think I'm gonna do Anonicole. Okay, I know, just because
I really want to, and there's not like I would
have to kind of force myself to do other shows
even though I would like them. But I love Anonicle
and I loved that show.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I honestly also love the idea of the first two
shows not being right.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I yeh.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
I was probably with Jason and trying to build a brand.
What MTV show in two thousand and seven had contestants
Pica Date based solely on viewing their bedrooms and dirty laundry?
I don't remember any of the room raiders? Okay, which
reality of Jason Starr and tabloid figure died of an
overdose at the Seminole hard Rock Hotel in February two
thousand and seven. I just said her name?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Was it Anacol? She died where at.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The hard Rock hotel.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I was right after her son, Wasn't it like the
week her son died? I might be making that up.
It was like shortly after her son passed away.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Daniel, and I think I went to that hard rock
like a month later for some ree respect. No, I
was like stuck there for some reason.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
We had place to get stuck.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
No, it was actually a nightmare. It's a whole other story.
I think I might have for the book. Me and
Ben almost did that in that show that you saw
to do Blex. I had a whole.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Story about it, about oh, about the hotel.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
About being stuck in Florida. I was hired to be
an in flight magazine travel writer for an airplane. They
flew me to the Dominican Republic to do a story,
and then the airline went out of business while I
was in the Dominican Republic and I had to call
myself back to America, and I could only get as
far as Florida and then got to New York. I
don't remember how. I do remember how Mark Shaman's father
(33:17):
had passed and he was driving through and said I'll
pick you up. And I went to his dad's shiva,
and then the apartment. I mean, then the funeral, and
then he flew me home to New York. And then
I flew his cat to la as a thank you,
and I gave the cat a human ambient in the
plane because she was making such a fucking racket she
was making people were sulmer out at me, and so I.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Was like, God, damn it.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
I shoved the ambient human ambient down her mouth, and
I was like, I don't care if she dies. I
want her to shut up. And she slept the entire time,
and she lived for like four more years, maybe two years,
two more years, three more.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Did you tell Mark Shaman just now I did, ahead
of everything.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
I'm sure he would be thrilled that she had an ambient?
Can I just say Jackie got her DUI because she
was on ambient keep going?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
So we want to stay away from ambien.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I used to take ambient to go dance. I used
to crush it up and stort it and go to splash.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
But doesn't it take you out?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, but that's the fun.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Wait, what were you taking with the ambient?
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Alcohol and other pills? Whatever I could find?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
So what was the It was just to elicit a
dramatic perspective.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
It makes you fucked up. That's why people get in
trouble on it all the time. So it's not great
to take.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I've never taken.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
It, and I'm about to go on a flight, and
I when I was thinking it was going to be
an overnight, I was like, I really should take something,
but I've only taken melos.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Maybe, or just I've never taken santax. Shouldn't ever take sanax.
That was the that was worse than fentanyl for me.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Which I've also not to my knowledge taken. But I'm
my concern with if I took one of them. I
really feel in my core being, having never taken any
of it, that I would try to open a door.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
And I just don't want to go viral in that way.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
This is something in me I know I'm gonna try,
which I would never do, but I think I just.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Have this paranoia that I might try to open a door.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
That's how I feel about hallucinogens, which I never did.
I if I did LSD or acid or something, I'd
be like, oh no, I can fly, let me jump
off this building.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Also, has anyone ever had like an allergy to the
mushrooms when they're taking shrooms because I think that would
be my story.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Probably you don't need to do any of it. I'm
telling you stay away from drugs. Who won American Idol
in two thousand and seven Season six Jordan Sparks which
Celebrity was released from jail in two thousand and seven
after serving time for violating probation. O. J. Simpson Paris Hilton, Close,
Very Close, which Disney Channel movie, the second Innis franchise,
broke cable TV viewership records when it premiered in August
(35:45):
two thousand and seven. Clue School Musical Too. I thought
you that Clue the movie.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Like High School Musical on Ice in Argentina.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I saw in La but I loved it.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I enjoyed. A friend of mine was stripping one of
the dancers skater skater ensemble members.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
When the Richard sisters were on Celebrities Skater or they
were divers, which Bethony Frankel was a skater.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
And her spin off was I think right didn't involve
a lot of her stress with the skating.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That's so stupid.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I can't believe they were celebrity div What.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Song was the top Billboard Hot one hundred single of
two thousand and seven. She's currently on tour at Medlife Beyonce.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Correct, what was the song?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
It's one word he replaceable?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Oh, Sarah, I want not to remember.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
However, we do, we do acknowledge the people here. Tell
them where they can find you.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You can find me on Instagram at Dame CALLI listen
to my podcast and maybe one day watch it, which
is all about the psychology behind Bravo and other.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Forms of TV. Wherever you listen to your favorite podcast.
Did I say Dame Gally on Instagram?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, we're going to get you. We're going to get
you on video.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I'm on you video.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
It's you. It's what you need to do at your decade.
Mark be like, y'all, we're launching.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Honestly for a show that's all about weight loss, the
body dysmorphia of it all.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
In filming video is not ideal for me, think, but
I think it'd be helpful.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I think, yeah, but it's like radical whatever the fuck
exposure therapy.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I don't want that, but like start small. I think
you should do your show on YouTube. Okay, and you
the thing is the great thing. You control what goes
out and if you don't like the way it looks.
You don't upload it.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
And I'm telling you, I will tell you what to
do in this room, okay, so that you feel like
you look adorable.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Well that's the other thing is I don't know, and
I don't know how to use this space. And I
don't know if viewers can see this wall. But I
have a wall of like Bravo stuff and other stuff
that was I think in vision to be the wall
if I did video, but then I just personally when
I'm on a zoom, like seeing my dresses and shoes
in the background colorful.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
That's my thing.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
So I and also that doesn't have a single thing
that says Andy Scrolls. But if people can see it,
which I don't think that they can. There are are
tropical jelly beans that Kelly Klorn Ben Simone signed at
a live show she did for Andy Scrolls, and those
stay with me. And also memories of my Dad box
filled with memories and I have put literally nothing inside
of it. Someone sent it to me and I don't
(38:14):
know what to do with it. So it's an empty
box of memories.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
If I'm experimenting, I'm experimenting now with like, if I
were shooting your show, please, this is the framing I
would use, and like.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
You'll show that to me. It's like, oh, we're going low.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
No, I'm just like, I think it's such a great look.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Okay, I think I've been hunched over the entire time.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I would put something like a plant behind you there.
I can't see the book.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I have a dead plant we can put there.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Or some sort of just a colorful vase something there.
Just a tall thing to fill that space. Okay, maybe
even like one of those lights that you don't plug in,
but it like sucks to the top and you just
touch it and kind of glow. You're going. I'm telling you,
I can set dress this set.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Would love it.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
You really should. And you can film it one shot
like this union two cams. Just do one and then
I can help you. Thank you, I've inspired it. Thank you,
Thank you for joining us. Thank you for joining us.
For Show Pony episode seven, covering Workout Season two. Don't
forget to share this episode with your friends, and if
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