June 2, 2025 • 40 mins
Jackie Warner. Bravo icon. Fitness pioneer. Reality TV legend. This is the conversation I never thought I’d get. After weeks of planning, last-minute chaos nearly derailed everything — first a parade ruined the audio, then Jackie got COVID, mercury was in retrograde and the mics we sent to Jackie refused to work.
So I did what I had to: I mic’d my laptop speaker. And myself. What you’re about to hear is raw, imperfect, and completely real. We talk about Workout, fame, Jillian Michaels, her mother, Sky Sport & Spa, and the truth about where Jackie is now.
It’s not polished.
It’s not filtered.
But what she told me was better than I could have ever hoped.
It’s Jackie Warner, finally speaking.
So I did what I had to: I mic’d my laptop speaker. And myself. What you’re about to hear is raw, imperfect, and completely real. We talk about Workout, fame, Jillian Michaels, her mother, Sky Sport & Spa, and the truth about where Jackie is now.
It’s not polished.
It’s not filtered.
But what she told me was better than I could have ever hoped.
It’s Jackie Warner, finally speaking.
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi, good evening, and welcome to a special episode of
Show Pony. I'm back in Los Angeles. I've been in
New York for a few months, and I should be asleep.
I should be cleaning my house. I've been saging and
lighting candles because the horror that sub let my apartment
left it in shambles. So I'm trying to spiritually cleanse.
But enough about the wonderful things going on in my life.
(00:30):
Right now, let's talk about why we're all here. This
is the Jackie Warner interview. There are moments in one's
career that arrive like an avalanche, inevitable, divine, catastrophic. The
interview you were about to see is one of them.
Jackie Warner a reality TV legend, a sapphig sculptor of
flesh and dreams, and icon worshiped and yet shrouded in mystery.
(00:54):
For weeks, I've been asking the question, where is Jackie Warner?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I found her. However, to capture the interview was a
technical shit show, or, to put it in documentary language,
a pigfuck. We mailed Jackie two microphones, which she couldn't
figure out how to use. She claims she has not
opened her laptop in ten years, so I might myself.
I put another tiny microphone on the laptop speaker, and
(01:22):
I turned the camera toward the laptop, and I just
recorded our FaceTime interview. The execution of the interview is raw.
It is against nature, It is not of God. But
it is one thing that Jackie herself knows a lot about.
It's real. She was late, saying that because she had
(01:45):
contracted a disease known as coronavirus the week prior, she
needed some time to lie down before the interview. So
I waited. I waited what felt like an eternity. I
considered abandoning the project, but then Jackie materialized. She appeared present,
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yet pixelated, her trademark short butch Ryan Cabrera esque spiky
frosted tips now grown out, like as if an amish
young lady was experimenting with beechy waves, but still the
same Jackie, the smile, the boys, and let's just say
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she was ready to talk without further ado. Jackie Warner. Hello, Hello,
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do you lord watch over me as I interview jack Warner?
So Jackie's running late. We've been emailing all morning about
the equipment. She sent this photo of what looks like
a couple of mics. Oh well, okay, I'm just gonna
let things run.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
She can.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Get in touch.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
When she gets in touch, I want to get the
Chris Jenner. It's not much.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
It's just this, that's all.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
It is.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Just that.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Should I get jawfiller?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Okay, we're just gonna make FaceTime work. Cross your fingers.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
She's facetiming me.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Oh shit, okay, Hi. I love the long hair.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Thank you. I could wear it up if you want that.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
No, I love it just as you there.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
There's the light. There's like this little beauty light that
comes on you.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Really it looks fine, does it? Yeah? I can see
you very clearly. I think this is fine.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Hi, let's just do it now.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Like I also, okay, we're gonna eventually meet in person,
so this will be just a pre lim check INCHA.
So you're in Ohio.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I'm not only in Ohio. I have dominated Ohio, Ohio.
I cannot even tell you how happy I am here.
It's like night and day. See, when a woman turns
fifty of the AFICI needs to let go and she
needs to move out of Los Angeles. The reason we
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see so many of these actors that we love, these
actresses destroying their face, those with plastic surgery, is because
they live in LA I have not had an injection.
I have not had bomtops in six years. Wow, and
my face is fat because I'm still I gave like
forty pounds, but I lost it. I lost it. You
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look good, but my face has remain fat. And I
gotta tell you a little fat face is probably good
as you as you get older.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Everybody says that, like you want to have a fuller face.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Anybody that loses weight, Right, if you lose forty to
fifty pounds in three months, your skin is not going
to snap back. And if you're over, if you're in
your sixties or seventies, like Sharon Osbourne or Oprah or
some of these other women, you don't have the elasticity,
(05:51):
you don't have the collagen.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Wait, before I get ahead of myself, let me ask
you just some preliminary things to get out of the way.
How did work out first come to you? Who pitched
it to you? Did you pitch it?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
No? I did not, Okay, Just to let you know,
I have never sought out being on TV. Okay, not
for Workout, not for Thintervention, and not even for the
show that I'm working on now. It's a little uncomfortable
for me, to be honest, to be in front of
the camera. I know that's really weird. But so I
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never like, oh, I got to get back on TV.
You know, it's always the one bringing me a project. Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And who brought workout to you?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Okay? Well, a woman, a executive producer for Mentor and
Mentorn is a British production company, and they had a
really successful show called Workout and it was in a gym,
and it was not like our workout here in America.
It was very much each trainer had the same camera
time and a lot of the drama occurred in the gym. Okay,
(07:01):
so that wouldn't have gone here anyway. People do not
like to watch people working out. I got that message
out and clear after Workout. But but bottom line is
the executive producer wanted to rent my space because I
built this beautiful glass and clothed penthouse gym.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, and I put.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
All my money into it. I put all my savings
that it was doing so well, and I would hire
the most drop dead gorgeous trainers. No, trainers looked like
our trainer. Yeah, and they some of them would have
the experience. They just come in and I would say, okay,
are you passionate, Yeah, you're gorgeous. I'm going to train you.
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And I would just train them how to train.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Anybody who on the first season was was that or
was there anyone in the first season like that?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Everybody on the first season was like that, except the
actual trainer would have been that. Yeah, I mean the
trainers were cast.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, these are.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
People that really wanted to be famous and actors more
than anything else. And you know, it's Los Angeles, so sure,
I'll pick a couple of clients on the side, degenerate
some money. You know, being a trainer in LA is
like being a waiter looking for your big break, right right, Okay,
So Amy took brought and we were negotiating my office,
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and they just wanted to shoot like a little pilot
or a little you know, zippy real and my gym
and Amy kept looking at me very funny, and she's like,
oh my god, oh my god, you've got a lesbian.
You're a lesbian. You've got a girlfriend. You owned the gym,
your this is your third successful business. You're a millionaire,
You're this, you're that. And she's like, hold everything, We're
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not doing that show. And she took I have to
thank her. She took like a little handycam and just
followed me around for one day. Wow, like like no makeup,
not even remembering she was there, just betraying me, walking
in the office, me with Mimi, me with you know,
just just a day in the life of us.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And at that point, did you have any expectation that
it would become anything?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, this just seemed like another little, fun, little thing
I was doing. Yeah. Yeah, but Lauren's elastik who you know?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I know Lauren Ravo.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Really, she's a nice woman. She called me out of
the blue, she called me, she goes, we're going to
green light the show. We're going to pick up the show.
And then Amy was the person that I only felt
comfortable with her on set. So she, this poor woman
every single day was like my whisper. And because it's
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very uncomfortable doing a reality show. There's a lot of
very uncomfortable things that are asked of you, yeah, and
that are suspected of you. And she thankfully was there every.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Single scene was what was the hardest part, like being vulnerable,
because I have to say that first season conversations that
you're having are conversations no one was having on TV.
Difficult conversations with your mom like these were. How did
you did you feel like you had done something brave
or courageous or how did you have the balls to
do that?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I guess I just.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I never thought about it. I tried to be genuine.
I tried to just be comfortable knowing that there's like
four cameras, you know, in your car and your office
and your house everywhere, and getting over that self. I'm
a self conscious person, or I used to be. Not anymore,
but I used to be. I wouldn't call it shyness,
(10:39):
but my whole life I've been very self conscious. M hm.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You're so watchable and so interesting and I love the
you know, even this stuff with mem like these things that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Nowadays on a reality show, people would really be performing
these things, but there's not a sense that you're performing
any of it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You're really being documented.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Reality has changed. It's a whole different game. Even with
this show. They just you know, the thing is is
that people are acting so much. So. Remember we did
have social media back then, exactly. I remember telling all
my trainers, please don't read the blogs. Robert would make
us do blogs every Friday, never read them. And I
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would tell all my trainers, poor little Rebecca. Rebecca and
I are still really good friends, but I would tell
all my trainers, don't read the blogs. Do not look
at yourself at all.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, it starts to change, you start to change how
you present yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, of course you do.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
So.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Bottom line is social media has turned every person, even
the most average of people, into actors.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I cannot stand social media because I don't need to
see a bunch of people that have stopped their camera, cried,
stopped it again.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Cried from this at right, stopped it.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean, I hate that.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
This is why I like season one especially. I just
started season two.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Season one, it's very like innocent. You guys are very innocent.
You're just living your lives. You're not trying to perform.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Oh look at the dog.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Who is that?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Joey?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Oh God, Jackie, come to baby, come here, we have
the little joy.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh my god, who's that?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
This is Joey?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
My dog looks exactly like the one right behind you.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Oh my god, you're looking at my You could see
my baby.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
No, I just see this teeny little face.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, these are my babies. This is my newest she's
Oh god, she's such a deep and she breaks everything
that's valuable to me. She will find it and she
will destroy it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You have the dogs in the first season and they
look like my dog is a puppy p Yes, I.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Love a dog for seventeen and a half years. He
grew up in the gym.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I could have talked to Jackie all day about doggies,
but I knew I needed to get back to work out.
I wanted to know how much story producing went in
the field before each shoot.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, we were nobody. We weren't rehearsed, is what you're
trying to say. Nobody was rehearsed. Oh what a weird
blue light. That's because my TV is okay close professional
and John.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I like it. Were you consulted about the storyline though?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Were they saying, you know, we're really into this drama
you're having with Mimi, so let's dig deeper, or how
did they produce you?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Here's this was all they would say. They would say Okay,
so MEI is not going to show up. Maybe he's
not showing up because maybe there's having a tant mapter
temper tamper. Yeah, she's not. Like what was going on,
You've got to understand. Me and I pretty much broke
it up, and then the show it was forced that
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we had.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
To kind of make it together, got it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And Mimi and such a horrific.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I know, you guys, you couldn't stand each other.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
We hate each other, Like I couldn't even standard being
in my living room.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I you you could tell.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
But it was like, listen, I just started season two
and you guys go to a couple's therapy, which was
crazy because you're already broken up.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Now it seems like a couple.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Of times she never shows up again.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Well that the last scene a couple's therapy was very
was also very real.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I made notes.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I was like, this is this is not performed either.
You guys are really hashing it out, yes.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Hashing it out in a way that was just we
weren't hashing it out behind scene.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Right, We were showing up, yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
To shoot something without hashing it out or having a
real relationship anymore behind the camera, right, So when you
had seen me in a therapist office. That was the
first therapist I've seen and talked to about these things.
I cried every therapy session. I was so frustrated, you know,
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so frustrated with the emotional exhaustion, a unhealthy relationship, you know,
trying to continue that.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I was glad to see you get out of it
because it was like, we need you to get on.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And get happy.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I'm so used to seeing Jackie on TV. This new chapter,
this new Jackie two point Ohio was so foreign to me.
I need to know more.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And so you're in is your mom in Ohio?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Too?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
How's your How's it going with your mom?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I'll tell you what happened. My mother and I were
not close. I never would come home when I moved
to LA. When I drove across the country by myself
and moved to LA at eighteen, I looked back. I
did not come home hardly for Christmases. I did not
want anything to do with my family. I was gone
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in every sense of that word. Now, when I turned
about forty five forty six, I had a change of
heart and I said, Okay, I need a mom. I
actually need a mother. So I'm going to forgive my
mother for everything. I am going to let go and
I'm going to see how she is with me now. Well,
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she apologized for my childhood and she was incredible. She
took every thing that I gave her and handled it
with grace and apologies. And that's what it takes to
forgive and said, you know, I regret this and I
love you. She was there for me. She would fly
out and visit me and was there for me emotionally.
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She wasn't so freaked out about the gay situation. She
would yet, well she wasn't so anti or pestering me
about it. So literally, at like forty six years old,
I fell in love with my mother, and then she
became my most beloved And so when I turned like
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fifty to fifty one, I was like, I'm not thriving
in la, I'm shutting down.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I love hearing you say this.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
She was only eighteen when she had me, John right, Yeah,
and she was a beautiful woman. Yeah, And he was
not up to having a child.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
So I was just completely ignored, completely ignored through my
entire childhood. And so of course you know there's no bonding, right,
And they say that if you don't bond with your
mother that that's like can do some serious psychopathic damage.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes, I don't have that.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I that I'm not a narcissist. I'm not a psychopath.
But it did cause me to seek out very toxic
relationships with women.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Sure, how did she react to seeing herself on TV
talking about it?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
The lesbians loved my mother, Yeah, and they love her.
I used to go all over the country and they'd
pay me like cash just to do like photo ops
at bars or whatever. Yeah, and I took her. I
had one in Columbus, so I flee from LA. I said, Mom,
do you want to come to this lesbian bar and Columbus. Oh,
I don't know. Well, they liked me, maybe they were.
And so we drove from Dayton, which is where I lived,
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to Columbus and we went to this lesbian bar.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
The line for.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
My mother was longer than for me. Yeah, and she
came alive that lasting hugging pictures. Ah. And see, I
had to see my mother that way too, being receptive
and being loving to people that she didn't necessarily understand.
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But she took that, you know, and she was gracious.
She was gracious.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, Now that I had a sense of what life
was like for Jackie two point Ohio. I wanted to
circle back to a little nugget she dropped earlier in
the interview. Tell me about what's a regular day like
for you in Ohio. Now, you're still training people all
the time.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I do tons of life coaching. We've moved from what
I consider myself. This is where my I'm a little
ego based, but you know I've been training for twenty
six years now. Yeah, there's nothing I don't know about
the body, physical, fitness, physiology, anatomy, and food. I know
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every single thing about food and I life coach now
because I moving here and I gained a bunch of weight.
I moved here the week before coronavirus hit. I couldn't
even see a house or nobody would showed me an
apartment or a house or anything. I lived with my
parents for nine months and I loved it. So so
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coronavirus hit and I the gyms closed and it it
messed me up. And so no gym, no workouts. I
started eating like treats, candy rich.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
This was all of us though, Like we all got crazy.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Honey. I went from one hundred and forty two whatever
four years ago to one hundred and eighty six.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I blew up, What did you do if there were
no gems? What did you do?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Okay, that's why I came up.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
But I was fast for like three and a half years.
And what's so crazy is I needed to go through that.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I was going to say, you had.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You had spent so many years without a break and
with with only like per perfect diet, perfect exercise, like
you probably needed to fucking relax.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I needed to relax. I rebelled. I just said nope,
I don't even want to move. But the issue. Within
two years, my health had so declined that I said
to myself, like, okay, what are you doing, Jackie?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And what about life coaching? What sort of stuff are
you helping people within that area?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Everything? I mean, none of my clients will do anything
without me because of my life experience. Yes, I help
people start businesses, I help people start dating, I help
people get out of negative relationships, everything sending emails to
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your attorney. And also I'm a control free so I
want to control every aspect of their life and it
goes better for them and they see that that goes better.
But I have a lot of life.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Experience, and I need your help. I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna hire you.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And also metaphysics. I've mastered metaphysics. When I work with
a client, I tell them right up front, Okay, we're
working with the physical. You're not consuming garbage, You're giving
your body the right fuel. Like who doesn't want I'm
going to say something to you when you walk out
the door. You can affect one thousand people a day
(22:10):
with your own energy, Okay, And I teach people how
do you do that? And then you become in a
situation that you can control every single person around you. Yeah,
and a good manipulation for good right, It doesn't matter
how you look if your energy is positive, good, friendly, happy,
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and you genuinely can connect with a person to you know,
so they see that you care. So I teach a
lot of that. How to walk with your chest out,
shoulders back, how to give eye contact, how to be gracious.
You wouldn't believe how many people are toxic.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
No, I do.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Yeah, but they need to learn how to remove.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
That with life coaching and everything. Would you ever open
a gym again or a facility?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
No? I polished myself, and I've become such a very tight,
great video trainer now that all my clients get fantastic results. Fantastic.
So I'm expanding that life coaching business and I'm getting
like a local publicist maybe. And I also want to
get into medical specialties nice because I deal with Alzheimer's patients. Listen,
(23:23):
Harvard just reported that you can reverse dementia and alzheimer
with exercise and diet. Wow, we're not talking about stopping it.
I'm not reversing Alzheimer's. Now, Why is it that study
that came out last year screened from the top of
the roofs. Why is it on every media everywhere? You
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tell me it's weird because it's suppressed.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, why it's.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Suppressed because then you're not going to take the thousand
dollars a month Alzheimer's mad. Oh, we're not going to
The money is not going to put be put into
Alzheimer's studies anymore. There's no the health insurance is not
going to be part of that, and the doctors are
not going to make that money. Cancer was cured at
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least twenty to twenty five cancers were curable twenty years ago. Wow,
but we don't see that it's totally curable. And that's
you to say, I'm kind of intrigued with that. I
don't just want you to have a better energy, better life.
I really really want for you to not be sick. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Does it make me a bad person that, even though
I can see a future ahead for Jackie as kind
of an Aaron Brockovich taking on the pharmaceutical industry, that
I still just kind of wanted more tea from workout.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Who do you talk to from the show? If anyone?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Rebecca?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, And so this is something that I do know.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I watched the first season she just working there, but
then second season feelings developed.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Is that correct? Well?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
It was interesting. She has this boyfriend and we were
on a hiatus. We had like a two month hiatus,
and she just was coming around a long. We started
hanging out, getting our nails done together, going to the
gym together, that kind of thing I had. I wasn't trying,
but I think I'm a really fun girl, and whenever
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I go out with my friends or potential dates, but
even with my friends, I always try to plan really fun,
exciting things. So I kind of inadvertently whind and dine
to her, took her to the track, took her here,
took her there, you know, and her she was financially
(25:50):
really poor at that time, and so I just unofficially
wined and diner and he caught feelings for me. Wow,
I'm like, really some very strong feelings. And so we
just kind of like kept it very light and airy
and fun. And I got to tell you, that was
like the funnest I've had dating somebody for a long time,
(26:12):
because it's always sweet with us.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, I knew I should probably let sleeping dikes lie,
but I couldn't resist just asking her a little bit
about her ex girlfriend and former nemesis, Jillian Michaels.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
So you and you and Jillian were girlfriends, and just
told me that you you started skysport and spot together.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
No, here's what happened. I had my first kim lift
and I'd gotten a Jill a job at ICM, which
was a big three of the agents talent agents. Yeah,
so I trained and my gym's I always trained like
tons of agents, and Jill got I got our job
(26:53):
working in the commercial department, which is like on the
lowest level, and then she worked her way up to writers,
then a junior assistant, and then just a very bad
thing happened there. Jill is chaos too, chaos and just anger, negativity.
(27:13):
I can't even tell you that more, but it's true.
Something very bad happened and she was let go. And
I hired her as a trainer because Jill and I
trained together all the time. When we met as a
trainer for my first gym, Lyft, okay, she's incredibly loud
and obnoxious, so she was like, you know, it was
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a small gym. And then I left Lyft and I
started sky Sport, and she verbatim said to me, if
you don't make me a partner at sky Sport, I'm
going to destroy you.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Oh my god, I am going.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
To take you down. I will take every client from you.
I will steal everybody from you. I will destroy you.
And here's the thing she can do that. Okay, Jill
is a very powerful energy, and if she wants to
destroy your life, she can do it. And I knew
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that I'm too like nice and easygoing and oh you know,
I can't handle that kind of wow.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And so so you jumped into business together on.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Jump with a business and name alone.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
But I ram that business. I put the trees in,
I m painted signs, I raised all the money. She
put in ten thousand, I put in ninety. You know.
But I made her on paper a partner because I
was terrifying her, and she ended up threatening to sue me.
She said if you if you don't, I'm gonna come
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in and break into the office every day and write
fifty thousand dollars checks to me unless you pay me off.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Geezes, did even any of the management or anything. I
also heard that you were approached about Biggest Loser first
and then you suggested her.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah, it was the opportunity came to me. And I
had just opened Skysport and put all my life savings
into it. So I had put everything into this business.
And then Biggest Loser came and yes was offered to me,
and I had to have a come to Jesus conversation.
I was like, I cannot leave my business. Who's gonna
run at Jill?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
No, Well, in the way we kind of got her off.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
It got her off your back or got her out
of your hair to get her over on Biggest Loser.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Think it did, but it did.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
So Basically, I said, I can't. I'm gonna put Jillian
up for it.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, And I put Jillian up for.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
It and she got it.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
And Jill used to like spit and curse at her
clients and they would fall off the treads and they
would sob and they'd throw up in buckets.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
And then I helped her. She hates my gut. She
hates my gut so much. But I have created every
opportunity that girl has ever had that is not coming
from conceit, whether it was her first job in the
industry or protecting her from something horrible she did and
getting her out of it. Never if I had a
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thank you. And remember we did also date for six years.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I mean, you said at the beginning of when we
started talking, like being feeling ignored as a kid drove
you into chaotic, toxic relationships with women, So like, yeah,
that would be a big one.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Good in the beginning, you know, it was fun in
the beginning as we were getting to know each other.
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Are you dating now?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
No?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Here's the thing. I've lived here for four years and
I've yet to see a woman that I find attractive.
I think my bar is La bar right, right right,
And I am so happy and so you know, I
want to expand much and I want to write another book,
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and I want to do all these things. And a
lot of people are like, oh, Jackie's not on TV anywhere.
I never cared about being on TV in the first place.
I never wanted to be famous being having money, which
I still do. I still have money. I haven't lost
all my money. I as Jess probably told you, I
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all through my life, I've made really good deals and
owned business, had a lot of money, and then invested
poorly and lost it all and said oh well, and
then made a lot then lost it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
So I'm not money motivated.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
You want to help people.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
No, being on camera nothing can compare for me to
the high and the great self esteem I have because
I'm doing this with other people. I mean, all it
does is creates great self esteem.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I do well. And now I have to let you go.
But I could talk to you all time. I just did.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I kind of give you the you know, the information
we didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Talk about workout season one. That's okay. I mean, here's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I mean, I'm really obsessed with Doug and I know
he passes away, and I'm so sad already the way.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
When I came home to Ohio that episode, my father's great.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Well, I'm not even there yet. I'm only on episode
and between one and two. On season two, and the
beginning of the season opens with in memory of Doug
and it's like, oh, so I know it's coming.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
On season three, to defend myself.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, I.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Was really screwed over. Okay, and it nearly ruined my reputation.
I was one of the number one recognized and important
fitness people.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, I remember, I remember what about it.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I mean, I'll find out because I'm watching it.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
But you're gonna find out. But I was completely the
way they cut it. They lie. They attacked me on
camera about something that they said happened off camera that
never happened. And it was because this guy, Billy they
put Bravo pushed this this straight man and in my opinion,
this is my opinion, I when it gets to sexist homophobe.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Wow, that is my opinion.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
He did not get me, He didn't want to get me.
He never cared or tried to understand me at all.
The last two scenes that we have two women, and
he sent horrible stuff to Bravo, and I remember screaming
at Andy. I was in Vegas to do something, and
I remember Corey and Andy and the executives. I said,
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why would you do this? Why would you believe that
I would be so horrible like this? Like why would
you accept his version of what happened? I said, I
did the most vulnerable, incredible life coaching in season three
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that no one got to see because he never put
it together and sent it to Bravo. And when Bravo
would say there's got to be more than this, like
why is this so negative, Billy would say, this is
all we have, which is a lie. Oh shit, you
can tell I'm still very upset about it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, well even years later because.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I don't talk about it, but if you bring it up,
I'm upset about it. So with season three, we got
to have a chit chat and I can blow my blow,
tell you what was a lie? What was the truth?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Okay, Well, get I'll get there like beginning of July.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So, oh my god. That means I have to really
get myself in the gym, because I know that you
are very fit.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I try. I'm the same as you though I was
very unhealthy.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
For a really long time and got in shape when
I when I turned forty three, I really changed everything around.
I realize here that we're about to wrap up, and
I still haven't asked her about Andy. And he asked
me verbatim, to ask her point blank why she hated him.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
What other memories do you have of Andy from those days?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Not a whole lot. I mean he was in New York.
I'm in LA. Not a whole lot. I think the
male the good looking male cast, you know, they definitely
had an easier times my opinion.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Andy's human, uh huh.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
And I think I treated the female cast members a
lot better than males, and I think Andy treated the
male cast members better.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Okay, that's fair enough, I get it. Yeah. Do you
ever where's Jesse? Now? Do you ever talk to Jesse?
Speaker 4 (35:51):
No? I think I did his podcast for like two seconds,
like some years ago, before I moved here. He always
kind of struggled with his weight. I was like his saying,
and now he's got like full acceptance and he's gotten
zin and all that.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
We had a side conversation about her upcoming TV projects
that she's working on. But I don't want to spoil
anything for Jackie, any announcement she might have coming up.
So I did through out there that we would love
to see her love life continue. I would like to
follow that in Ohio watching her look for love. I
would love to see you fall in love meet someone,
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you know. I know it's not necessarily happening in Ohio
right now, but I see it for you at some point.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yes, the person that I've become would demand quite a lot.
I never want to sit across the table again and.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Be bored, right.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I want a dynamic, charismatic woman. I want a girl
that people glob on too.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, they do.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
That with me, and I also want that in a partner.
Now is the first time in my life that I
have set that perimeter. Yeah, if you are born, if
you are not charismatic, I will not befriend you even
I will not even be a friend. I will certainly
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not be a girlfriend, but not be a friend. Do
I really need to go out? Put makeup on it,
and I get dressed up and go to Dayton, No,
to Dayton and sit at a straight bar, no, you know,
for two hours, or at a straight restaurant with a
person that just does not bring the energy.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
No, No, I have.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
My clients, my relationships where they know everything about me,
I know everything about them. Yeah, it's a whole different
way of being. And this is my this is my
sweet spot. This is the love that I have right now.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Is that well, it definitely shows.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It seems like you you know exactly what you're good
at and what you have to offer, and people are
lucky to be able to get in touch with you.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
But thank you for taking the time.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
We have the whole We have to have a whole
other session about all this all this shit.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
But now that we know that we can do this
on phone. Yeah, the environment a little nicer for you.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
We'll use the real mic next time.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Okay, the real mic has to plug.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Into the computer.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Computer and I have to figure out why.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
You have a couple of months just like you know,
ask us.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Okay, but if you ever even.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Want to do like quick little bit, yeah I do
not even like just no hair.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Makeup, just like, hey, your ample if you want to
do that, just to say, okay, what was Rebecca wanting there?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Okay, feel free to do that.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
We'll just do like any kind of you know, not planning,
but just a little quick FaceTime.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, listen, careful what you wish for, because I might
stalk you.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I know that there's a lot of people love the workout.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
They love it.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
A lot of people love to work out.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, people are obsessed, like so many people are coming
out of the woodwork like with questions and stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
So this is the beginning of a whole renaissance, hopefully
for you and the show of course.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
All right, yay you too, Thank you so much. Okay, bye,
did any of that record?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Did any of that record? I'm scared to look. Oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Thank you for joining me for this special episode of
Show Pony. We will be back next week and I
will be covering episode two of season two. And now
that I know Jackie on a personal level, I think
things are gonna get interesting. Send this around to your friends,
Join the Patreon, make sure to be following me on
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you're not watching all these episodes, you are missing out
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Little johnsts hoofs up. See you next week.
Hi, good evening, and welcome to a special episode of
Show Pony. I'm back in Los Angeles. I've been in
New York for a few months, and I should be asleep.
I should be cleaning my house. I've been saging and
lighting candles because the horror that sub let my apartment
left it in shambles. So I'm trying to spiritually cleanse.
But enough about the wonderful things going on in my life.
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Right now, let's talk about why we're all here. This
is the Jackie Warner interview. There are moments in one's
career that arrive like an avalanche, inevitable, divine, catastrophic. The
interview you were about to see is one of them.
Jackie Warner a reality TV legend, a sapphig sculptor of
flesh and dreams, and icon worshiped and yet shrouded in mystery.
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For weeks, I've been asking the question, where is Jackie Warner?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Well?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I found her. However, to capture the interview was a
technical shit show, or, to put it in documentary language,
a pigfuck. We mailed Jackie two microphones, which she couldn't
figure out how to use. She claims she has not
opened her laptop in ten years, so I might myself.
I put another tiny microphone on the laptop speaker, and
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I turned the camera toward the laptop, and I just
recorded our FaceTime interview. The execution of the interview is raw.
It is against nature, It is not of God. But
it is one thing that Jackie herself knows a lot about.
It's real. She was late, saying that because she had
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contracted a disease known as coronavirus the week prior, she
needed some time to lie down before the interview. So
I waited. I waited what felt like an eternity. I
considered abandoning the project, but then Jackie materialized. She appeared present,
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yet pixelated, her trademark short butch Ryan Cabrera esque spiky
frosted tips now grown out, like as if an amish
young lady was experimenting with beechy waves, but still the
same Jackie, the smile, the boys, and let's just say
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she was ready to talk without further ado. Jackie Warner. Hello, Hello,
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do you lord watch over me as I interview jack Warner?
So Jackie's running late. We've been emailing all morning about
the equipment. She sent this photo of what looks like
a couple of mics. Oh well, okay, I'm just gonna
let things run.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
She can.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Get in touch.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
When she gets in touch, I want to get the
Chris Jenner. It's not much.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
It's just.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
It's just this, that's all.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
It is.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Just that.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Should I get jawfiller?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Okay, we're just gonna make FaceTime work. Cross your fingers.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
She's facetiming me.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (03:54):
Oh shit, okay, Hi. I love the long hair.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Thank you. I could wear it up if you want that.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
No, I love it just as you there.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
There's the light. There's like this little beauty light that
comes on you.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Really it looks fine, does it? Yeah? I can see
you very clearly. I think this is fine.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Hi, let's just do it now.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Like I also, okay, we're gonna eventually meet in person,
so this will be just a pre lim check INCHA.
So you're in Ohio.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I'm not only in Ohio. I have dominated Ohio, Ohio.
I cannot even tell you how happy I am here.
It's like night and day. See, when a woman turns
fifty of the AFICI needs to let go and she
needs to move out of Los Angeles. The reason we
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see so many of these actors that we love, these
actresses destroying their face, those with plastic surgery, is because
they live in LA I have not had an injection.
I have not had bomtops in six years. Wow, and
my face is fat because I'm still I gave like
forty pounds, but I lost it. I lost it. You
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look good, but my face has remain fat. And I
gotta tell you a little fat face is probably good
as you as you get older.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Everybody says that, like you want to have a fuller face.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Anybody that loses weight, Right, if you lose forty to
fifty pounds in three months, your skin is not going
to snap back. And if you're over, if you're in
your sixties or seventies, like Sharon Osbourne or Oprah or
some of these other women, you don't have the elasticity,
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you don't have the collagen.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Wait, before I get ahead of myself, let me ask
you just some preliminary things to get out of the way.
How did work out first come to you? Who pitched
it to you? Did you pitch it?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
No? I did not, Okay, Just to let you know,
I have never sought out being on TV. Okay, not
for Workout, not for Thintervention, and not even for the
show that I'm working on now. It's a little uncomfortable
for me, to be honest, to be in front of
the camera. I know that's really weird. But so I
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never like, oh, I got to get back on TV.
You know, it's always the one bringing me a project. Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And who brought workout to you?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Okay? Well, a woman, a executive producer for Mentor and
Mentorn is a British production company, and they had a
really successful show called Workout and it was in a gym,
and it was not like our workout here in America.
It was very much each trainer had the same camera
time and a lot of the drama occurred in the gym. Okay,
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so that wouldn't have gone here anyway. People do not
like to watch people working out. I got that message
out and clear after Workout. But but bottom line is
the executive producer wanted to rent my space because I
built this beautiful glass and clothed penthouse gym.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, and I put.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
All my money into it. I put all my savings
that it was doing so well, and I would hire
the most drop dead gorgeous trainers. No, trainers looked like
our trainer. Yeah, and they some of them would have
the experience. They just come in and I would say, okay,
are you passionate, Yeah, you're gorgeous. I'm going to train you.
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And I would just train them how to train.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Anybody who on the first season was was that or
was there anyone in the first season like that?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Everybody on the first season was like that, except the
actual trainer would have been that. Yeah, I mean the
trainers were cast.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, these are.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
People that really wanted to be famous and actors more
than anything else. And you know, it's Los Angeles, so sure,
I'll pick a couple of clients on the side, degenerate
some money. You know, being a trainer in LA is
like being a waiter looking for your big break, right right, Okay,
So Amy took brought and we were negotiating my office,
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and they just wanted to shoot like a little pilot
or a little you know, zippy real and my gym
and Amy kept looking at me very funny, and she's like,
oh my god, oh my god, you've got a lesbian.
You're a lesbian. You've got a girlfriend. You owned the gym,
your this is your third successful business. You're a millionaire,
You're this, you're that. And she's like, hold everything, We're
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not doing that show. And she took I have to
thank her. She took like a little handycam and just
followed me around for one day. Wow, like like no makeup,
not even remembering she was there, just betraying me, walking
in the office, me with Mimi, me with you know,
just just a day in the life of us.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And at that point, did you have any expectation that
it would become anything?
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, this just seemed like another little, fun, little thing
I was doing. Yeah. Yeah, but Lauren's elastik who you know?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I know Lauren Ravo.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Really, she's a nice woman. She called me out of
the blue, she called me, she goes, we're going to
green light the show. We're going to pick up the show.
And then Amy was the person that I only felt
comfortable with her on set. So she, this poor woman
every single day was like my whisper. And because it's
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very uncomfortable doing a reality show. There's a lot of
very uncomfortable things that are asked of you, yeah, and
that are suspected of you. And she thankfully was there every.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Single scene was what was the hardest part, like being vulnerable,
because I have to say that first season conversations that
you're having are conversations no one was having on TV.
Difficult conversations with your mom like these were. How did
you did you feel like you had done something brave
or courageous or how did you have the balls to
do that?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I guess I just.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I never thought about it. I tried to be genuine.
I tried to just be comfortable knowing that there's like
four cameras, you know, in your car and your office
and your house everywhere, and getting over that self. I'm
a self conscious person, or I used to be. Not anymore,
but I used to be. I wouldn't call it shyness,
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but my whole life I've been very self conscious. M hm.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
You're so watchable and so interesting and I love the
you know, even this stuff with mem like these things that.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Nowadays on a reality show, people would really be performing
these things, but there's not a sense that you're performing
any of it.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You're really being documented.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Reality has changed. It's a whole different game. Even with
this show. They just you know, the thing is is
that people are acting so much. So. Remember we did
have social media back then, exactly. I remember telling all
my trainers, please don't read the blogs. Robert would make
us do blogs every Friday, never read them. And I
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would tell all my trainers, poor little Rebecca. Rebecca and
I are still really good friends, but I would tell
all my trainers, don't read the blogs. Do not look
at yourself at all.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, it starts to change, you start to change how
you present yourself.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, of course you do.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
So.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Bottom line is social media has turned every person, even
the most average of people, into actors.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I cannot stand social media because I don't need to
see a bunch of people that have stopped their camera, cried,
stopped it again.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Cried from this at right, stopped it.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean, I hate that.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
I hate it.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
This is why I like season one especially. I just
started season two.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Season one, it's very like innocent. You guys are very innocent.
You're just living your lives. You're not trying to perform.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Oh look at the dog.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Who is that?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Joey?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Oh God, Jackie, come to baby, come here, we have
the little joy.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh my god, who's that?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
This is Joey?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
My dog looks exactly like the one right behind you.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Oh my god, you're looking at my You could see
my baby.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
No, I just see this teeny little face.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah, these are my babies. This is my newest she's
Oh god, she's such a deep and she breaks everything
that's valuable to me. She will find it and she
will destroy it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
You have the dogs in the first season and they
look like my dog is a puppy p Yes, I.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Love a dog for seventeen and a half years. He
grew up in the gym.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I could have talked to Jackie all day about doggies,
but I knew I needed to get back to work out.
I wanted to know how much story producing went in
the field before each shoot.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, we were nobody. We weren't rehearsed, is what you're
trying to say. Nobody was rehearsed. Oh what a weird
blue light. That's because my TV is okay close professional
and John.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I like it. Were you consulted about the storyline though?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Were they saying, you know, we're really into this drama
you're having with Mimi, so let's dig deeper, or how
did they produce you?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Here's this was all they would say. They would say Okay,
so MEI is not going to show up. Maybe he's
not showing up because maybe there's having a tant mapter
temper tamper. Yeah, she's not. Like what was going on,
You've got to understand. Me and I pretty much broke
it up, and then the show it was forced that
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we had.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
To kind of make it together, got it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
And Mimi and such a horrific.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I know, you guys, you couldn't stand each other.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
We hate each other, Like I couldn't even standard being
in my living room.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I you you could tell.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
But it was like, listen, I just started season two
and you guys go to a couple's therapy, which was
crazy because you're already broken up.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Now it seems like a couple.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Of times she never shows up again.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Well that the last scene a couple's therapy was very
was also very real.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I made notes.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I was like, this is this is not performed either.
You guys are really hashing it out, yes.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Hashing it out in a way that was just we
weren't hashing it out behind scene.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Right, We were showing up, yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
To shoot something without hashing it out or having a
real relationship anymore behind the camera, right, So when you
had seen me in a therapist office. That was the
first therapist I've seen and talked to about these things.
I cried every therapy session. I was so frustrated, you know,
(15:17):
so frustrated with the emotional exhaustion, a unhealthy relationship, you know,
trying to continue that.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I was glad to see you get out of it
because it was like, we need you to get on.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And get happy.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I'm so used to seeing Jackie on TV. This new chapter,
this new Jackie two point Ohio was so foreign to me.
I need to know more.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And so you're in is your mom in Ohio?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Too?
Speaker 2 (15:46):
How's your How's it going with your mom?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I'll tell you what happened. My mother and I were
not close. I never would come home when I moved
to LA. When I drove across the country by myself
and moved to LA at eighteen, I looked back. I
did not come home hardly for Christmases. I did not
want anything to do with my family. I was gone
(16:10):
in every sense of that word. Now, when I turned
about forty five forty six, I had a change of
heart and I said, Okay, I need a mom. I
actually need a mother. So I'm going to forgive my
mother for everything. I am going to let go and
I'm going to see how she is with me now. Well,
(16:32):
she apologized for my childhood and she was incredible. She
took every thing that I gave her and handled it
with grace and apologies. And that's what it takes to
forgive and said, you know, I regret this and I
love you. She was there for me. She would fly
out and visit me and was there for me emotionally.
(16:54):
She wasn't so freaked out about the gay situation. She
would yet, well she wasn't so anti or pestering me
about it. So literally, at like forty six years old,
I fell in love with my mother, and then she
became my most beloved And so when I turned like
(17:15):
fifty to fifty one, I was like, I'm not thriving
in la, I'm shutting down.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I love hearing you say this.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
She was only eighteen when she had me, John right, Yeah,
and she was a beautiful woman. Yeah, And he was
not up to having a child.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
So I was just completely ignored, completely ignored through my
entire childhood. And so of course you know there's no bonding, right,
And they say that if you don't bond with your
mother that that's like can do some serious psychopathic damage.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes, I don't have that.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I that I'm not a narcissist. I'm not a psychopath.
But it did cause me to seek out very toxic
relationships with women.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Sure, how did she react to seeing herself on TV
talking about it?
Speaker 4 (18:12):
The lesbians loved my mother, Yeah, and they love her.
I used to go all over the country and they'd
pay me like cash just to do like photo ops
at bars or whatever. Yeah, and I took her. I
had one in Columbus, so I flee from LA. I said, Mom,
do you want to come to this lesbian bar and Columbus. Oh,
I don't know. Well, they liked me, maybe they were.
And so we drove from Dayton, which is where I lived,
(18:34):
to Columbus and we went to this lesbian bar.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
The line for.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
My mother was longer than for me. Yeah, and she
came alive that lasting hugging pictures. Ah. And see, I
had to see my mother that way too, being receptive
and being loving to people that she didn't necessarily understand.
(19:00):
But she took that, you know, and she was gracious.
She was gracious.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, Now that I had a sense of what life
was like for Jackie two point Ohio. I wanted to
circle back to a little nugget she dropped earlier in
the interview. Tell me about what's a regular day like
for you in Ohio. Now, you're still training people all
the time.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I do tons of life coaching. We've moved from what
I consider myself. This is where my I'm a little
ego based, but you know I've been training for twenty
six years now. Yeah, there's nothing I don't know about
the body, physical, fitness, physiology, anatomy, and food. I know
(19:43):
every single thing about food and I life coach now
because I moving here and I gained a bunch of weight.
I moved here the week before coronavirus hit. I couldn't
even see a house or nobody would showed me an
apartment or a house or anything. I lived with my
parents for nine months and I loved it. So so
(20:04):
coronavirus hit and I the gyms closed and it it
messed me up. And so no gym, no workouts. I
started eating like treats, candy rich.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
This was all of us though, Like we all got crazy.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Honey. I went from one hundred and forty two whatever
four years ago to one hundred and eighty six.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I blew up, What did you do if there were
no gems? What did you do?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Okay, that's why I came up.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
But I was fast for like three and a half years.
And what's so crazy is I needed to go through that.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I was going to say, you had.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You had spent so many years without a break and
with with only like per perfect diet, perfect exercise, like
you probably needed to fucking relax.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
I needed to relax. I rebelled. I just said nope,
I don't even want to move. But the issue. Within
two years, my health had so declined that I said
to myself, like, okay, what are you doing, Jackie?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
And what about life coaching? What sort of stuff are
you helping people within that area?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Everything? I mean, none of my clients will do anything
without me because of my life experience. Yes, I help
people start businesses, I help people start dating, I help
people get out of negative relationships, everything sending emails to
(21:33):
your attorney. And also I'm a control free so I
want to control every aspect of their life and it
goes better for them and they see that that goes better.
But I have a lot of life.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Experience, and I need your help. I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna hire you.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And also metaphysics. I've mastered metaphysics. When I work with
a client, I tell them right up front, Okay, we're
working with the physical. You're not consuming garbage, You're giving
your body the right fuel. Like who doesn't want I'm
going to say something to you when you walk out
the door. You can affect one thousand people a day
(22:10):
with your own energy, Okay, And I teach people how
do you do that? And then you become in a
situation that you can control every single person around you. Yeah,
and a good manipulation for good right, It doesn't matter
how you look if your energy is positive, good, friendly, happy,
(22:32):
and you genuinely can connect with a person to you know,
so they see that you care. So I teach a
lot of that. How to walk with your chest out,
shoulders back, how to give eye contact, how to be gracious.
You wouldn't believe how many people are toxic.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
No, I do.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
Yeah, but they need to learn how to remove.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
That with life coaching and everything. Would you ever open
a gym again or a facility?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
No? I polished myself, and I've become such a very tight,
great video trainer now that all my clients get fantastic results. Fantastic.
So I'm expanding that life coaching business and I'm getting
like a local publicist maybe. And I also want to
get into medical specialties nice because I deal with Alzheimer's patients. Listen,
(23:23):
Harvard just reported that you can reverse dementia and alzheimer
with exercise and diet. Wow, we're not talking about stopping it.
I'm not reversing Alzheimer's. Now, Why is it that study
that came out last year screened from the top of
the roofs. Why is it on every media everywhere? You
(23:47):
tell me it's weird because it's suppressed.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, why it's.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Suppressed because then you're not going to take the thousand
dollars a month Alzheimer's mad. Oh, we're not going to
The money is not going to put be put into
Alzheimer's studies anymore. There's no the health insurance is not
going to be part of that, and the doctors are
not going to make that money. Cancer was cured at
(24:16):
least twenty to twenty five cancers were curable twenty years ago. Wow,
but we don't see that it's totally curable. And that's
you to say, I'm kind of intrigued with that. I
don't just want you to have a better energy, better life.
I really really want for you to not be sick. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Does it make me a bad person that, even though
I can see a future ahead for Jackie as kind
of an Aaron Brockovich taking on the pharmaceutical industry, that
I still just kind of wanted more tea from workout.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Who do you talk to from the show? If anyone?
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Rebecca?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, And so this is something that I do know.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I watched the first season she just working there, but
then second season feelings developed.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Is that correct? Well?
Speaker 4 (25:06):
It was interesting. She has this boyfriend and we were
on a hiatus. We had like a two month hiatus,
and she just was coming around a long. We started
hanging out, getting our nails done together, going to the
gym together, that kind of thing I had. I wasn't trying,
but I think I'm a really fun girl, and whenever
(25:29):
I go out with my friends or potential dates, but
even with my friends, I always try to plan really fun,
exciting things. So I kind of inadvertently whind and dine
to her, took her to the track, took her here,
took her there, you know, and her she was financially
(25:50):
really poor at that time, and so I just unofficially
wined and diner and he caught feelings for me. Wow,
I'm like, really some very strong feelings. And so we
just kind of like kept it very light and airy
and fun. And I got to tell you, that was
like the funnest I've had dating somebody for a long time,
(26:12):
because it's always sweet with us.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, I knew I should probably let sleeping dikes lie,
but I couldn't resist just asking her a little bit
about her ex girlfriend and former nemesis, Jillian Michaels.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
So you and you and Jillian were girlfriends, and just
told me that you you started skysport and spot together.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
No, here's what happened. I had my first kim lift
and I'd gotten a Jill a job at ICM, which
was a big three of the agents talent agents. Yeah,
so I trained and my gym's I always trained like
tons of agents, and Jill got I got our job
(26:53):
working in the commercial department, which is like on the
lowest level, and then she worked her way up to writers,
then a junior assistant, and then just a very bad
thing happened there. Jill is chaos too, chaos and just anger, negativity.
(27:13):
I can't even tell you that more, but it's true.
Something very bad happened and she was let go. And
I hired her as a trainer because Jill and I
trained together all the time. When we met as a
trainer for my first gym, Lyft, okay, she's incredibly loud
and obnoxious, so she was like, you know, it was
(27:33):
a small gym. And then I left Lyft and I
started sky Sport, and she verbatim said to me, if
you don't make me a partner at sky Sport, I'm
going to destroy you.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Oh my god, I am going.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
To take you down. I will take every client from you.
I will steal everybody from you. I will destroy you.
And here's the thing she can do that. Okay, Jill
is a very powerful energy, and if she wants to
destroy your life, she can do it. And I knew
(28:13):
that I'm too like nice and easygoing and oh you know,
I can't handle that kind of wow.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And so so you jumped into business together on.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Jump with a business and name alone.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
But I ram that business. I put the trees in,
I m painted signs, I raised all the money. She
put in ten thousand, I put in ninety. You know.
But I made her on paper a partner because I
was terrifying her, and she ended up threatening to sue me.
She said if you if you don't, I'm gonna come
(28:49):
in and break into the office every day and write
fifty thousand dollars checks to me unless you pay me off.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Geezes, did even any of the management or anything. I
also heard that you were approached about Biggest Loser first
and then you suggested her.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah, it was the opportunity came to me. And I
had just opened Skysport and put all my life savings
into it. So I had put everything into this business.
And then Biggest Loser came and yes was offered to me,
and I had to have a come to Jesus conversation.
I was like, I cannot leave my business. Who's gonna
run at Jill?
Speaker 2 (29:24):
No, Well, in the way we kind of got her off.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
It got her off your back or got her out
of your hair to get her over on Biggest Loser.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Think it did, but it did.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
So Basically, I said, I can't. I'm gonna put Jillian
up for it.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, And I put Jillian up for.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
It and she got it.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
And Jill used to like spit and curse at her
clients and they would fall off the treads and they
would sob and they'd throw up in buckets.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
And then I helped her. She hates my gut. She
hates my gut so much. But I have created every
opportunity that girl has ever had that is not coming
from conceit, whether it was her first job in the
industry or protecting her from something horrible she did and
getting her out of it. Never if I had a
(30:14):
thank you. And remember we did also date for six years.
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I mean, you said at the beginning of when we
started talking, like being feeling ignored as a kid drove
you into chaotic, toxic relationships with women, So like, yeah,
that would be a big one.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Good in the beginning, you know, it was fun in
the beginning as we were getting to know each other.
It was fun.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Are you dating now?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
No?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Here's the thing. I've lived here for four years and
I've yet to see a woman that I find attractive.
I think my bar is La bar right, right right,
And I am so happy and so you know, I
want to expand much and I want to write another book,
(31:01):
and I want to do all these things. And a
lot of people are like, oh, Jackie's not on TV anywhere.
I never cared about being on TV in the first place.
I never wanted to be famous being having money, which
I still do. I still have money. I haven't lost
all my money. I as Jess probably told you, I
(31:26):
all through my life, I've made really good deals and
owned business, had a lot of money, and then invested
poorly and lost it all and said oh well, and
then made a lot then lost it.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
You know.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
So I'm not money motivated.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
You want to help people.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
No, being on camera nothing can compare for me to
the high and the great self esteem I have because
I'm doing this with other people. I mean, all it
does is creates great self esteem.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I do well. And now I have to let you go.
But I could talk to you all time. I just did.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I kind of give you the you know, the information
we didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Talk about workout season one. That's okay. I mean, here's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I mean, I'm really obsessed with Doug and I know
he passes away, and I'm so sad already the way.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
When I came home to Ohio that episode, my father's great.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Well, I'm not even there yet. I'm only on episode
and between one and two. On season two, and the
beginning of the season opens with in memory of Doug
and it's like, oh, so I know it's coming.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
On season three, to defend myself.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, I.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Was really screwed over. Okay, and it nearly ruined my reputation.
I was one of the number one recognized and important
fitness people.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, I remember, I remember what about it.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I mean, I'll find out because I'm watching it.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
But you're gonna find out. But I was completely the
way they cut it. They lie. They attacked me on
camera about something that they said happened off camera that
never happened. And it was because this guy, Billy they
put Bravo pushed this this straight man and in my opinion,
this is my opinion, I when it gets to sexist homophobe.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Wow, that is my opinion.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
He did not get me, He didn't want to get me.
He never cared or tried to understand me at all.
The last two scenes that we have two women, and
he sent horrible stuff to Bravo, and I remember screaming
at Andy. I was in Vegas to do something, and
I remember Corey and Andy and the executives. I said,
(33:42):
why would you do this? Why would you believe that
I would be so horrible like this? Like why would
you accept his version of what happened? I said, I
did the most vulnerable, incredible life coaching in season three
(34:02):
that no one got to see because he never put
it together and sent it to Bravo. And when Bravo
would say there's got to be more than this, like
why is this so negative, Billy would say, this is
all we have, which is a lie. Oh shit, you
can tell I'm still very upset about it.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, well even years later because.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I don't talk about it, but if you bring it up,
I'm upset about it. So with season three, we got
to have a chit chat and I can blow my blow,
tell you what was a lie? What was the truth?
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Okay, Well, get I'll get there like beginning of July.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So, oh my god. That means I have to really
get myself in the gym, because I know that you
are very fit.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
I try. I'm the same as you though I was
very unhealthy.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
For a really long time and got in shape when
I when I turned forty three, I really changed everything around.
I realize here that we're about to wrap up, and
I still haven't asked her about Andy. And he asked
me verbatim, to ask her point blank why she hated him.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
What other memories do you have of Andy from those days?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Not a whole lot. I mean he was in New York.
I'm in LA. Not a whole lot. I think the
male the good looking male cast, you know, they definitely
had an easier times my opinion.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Andy's human, uh huh.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
And I think I treated the female cast members a
lot better than males, and I think Andy treated the
male cast members better.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Okay, that's fair enough, I get it. Yeah. Do you
ever where's Jesse? Now? Do you ever talk to Jesse?
Speaker 4 (35:51):
No? I think I did his podcast for like two seconds,
like some years ago, before I moved here. He always
kind of struggled with his weight. I was like his saying,
and now he's got like full acceptance and he's gotten
zin and all that.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
We had a side conversation about her upcoming TV projects
that she's working on. But I don't want to spoil
anything for Jackie, any announcement she might have coming up.
So I did through out there that we would love
to see her love life continue. I would like to
follow that in Ohio watching her look for love. I
would love to see you fall in love meet someone,
(36:24):
you know. I know it's not necessarily happening in Ohio
right now, but I see it for you at some point.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yes, the person that I've become would demand quite a lot.
I never want to sit across the table again and.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Be bored, right.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
I want a dynamic, charismatic woman. I want a girl
that people glob on too.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, they do.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
That with me, and I also want that in a partner.
Now is the first time in my life that I
have set that perimeter. Yeah, if you are born, if
you are not charismatic, I will not befriend you even
I will not even be a friend. I will certainly
(37:11):
not be a girlfriend, but not be a friend. Do
I really need to go out? Put makeup on it,
and I get dressed up and go to Dayton, No,
to Dayton and sit at a straight bar, no, you know,
for two hours, or at a straight restaurant with a
person that just does not bring the energy.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
No, No, I have.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
My clients, my relationships where they know everything about me,
I know everything about them. Yeah, it's a whole different
way of being. And this is my this is my
sweet spot. This is the love that I have right now.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Is that well, it definitely shows.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It seems like you you know exactly what you're good
at and what you have to offer, and people are
lucky to be able to get in touch with you.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
But thank you for taking the time.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
We have the whole We have to have a whole
other session about all this all this shit.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
But now that we know that we can do this
on phone. Yeah, the environment a little nicer for you.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
We'll use the real mic next time.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Okay, the real mic has to plug.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Into the computer.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Computer and I have to figure out why.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
You have a couple of months just like you know,
ask us.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Okay, but if you ever even.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Want to do like quick little bit, yeah I do
not even like just no hair.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Makeup, just like, hey, your ample if you want to
do that, just to say, okay, what was Rebecca wanting there?
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Okay, feel free to do that.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
We'll just do like any kind of you know, not planning,
but just a little quick FaceTime.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Well, listen, careful what you wish for, because I might
stalk you.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
I know that there's a lot of people love the workout.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
They love it.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
A lot of people love to work out.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, people are obsessed, like so many people are coming
out of the woodwork like with questions and stuff.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
So this is the beginning of a whole renaissance, hopefully
for you and the show of course.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
All right, yay you too, Thank you so much. Okay, bye,
did any of that record?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Did any of that record? I'm scared to look. Oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Thank you for joining me for this special episode of
Show Pony. We will be back next week and I
will be covering episode two of season two. And now
that I know Jackie on a personal level, I think
things are gonna get interesting. Send this around to your friends,
Join the Patreon, make sure to be following me on
Spotify and Apple, and subscribe on the YouTube channel. If
(39:55):
you're not watching all these episodes, you are missing out
on some Peabody Award quality editing that I am doing
myself with my own two goddamn hands. Thanks for watching,
Little johnsts hoofs up. See you next week.
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