April 28, 2025 • 32 mins
In Episode 3 of Show Pony, John Arthur Hill teams up with legendary pop culture detective and professional lesbian historian Jess Rothschild (Hot Takes and Deep Dives) to solve the greatest mystery of our time: Where is Jackie Warner? What starts as a Bravo rewatch turns into a dark, gripping, borderline obsessive investigation — complete with pulse-pounding theories, shocking revelations, and absurdly serious commentary on a very unserious subject. If you love true crime vibes, Bravo nostalgia, dark humor, and unhinged queer storytelling, this episode is your new crime scene. New episodes of Show Pony drop every Monday night — subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, and follow @showponytv for behind-the-scenes mayhem.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Jackie Warner, celebrity fitness guru, Bravo reality star, lesbian icon.
But what happened to Jackie Warner? When I started this podcast,
I had no idea where it would mean me. I
began watching Workout season one, and now three episodes in
my entire world is changing. This show is powerful. It
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gets under your skin. I think about it, I dream
about it. I've begun looking at women as if I
myself am a fierce lesbian hot on the hunt. I've
begun wearing high tea back thongs and bootcut true religion genes.
And when my hair grows out and I can cut tips,
you'd best believe they'll be frosted. Workout has challenged everything
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I thought I knew behind the Veneer, a sexy reality
drama and the chaotic antics of two thousand and six
La Liza mystery so compelling it has robbed me of
my sanity, my serenity. Now I'm on a mission to
find Jackie Warner. But how I'm not an investigative journalist.
I'm merely a horse hung confident king who loves donuts
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and diet coke. So to get serious, I'm going to
talk to someone who knows the layered, lush and labial
lesbian zeitgeist inside and literally out. A professional lesbian, a
one woman hive mind of Sapphix Seduction. Welcome to show Pony,
a relentless look at the shows that shape us. It's
time to dive into the mysterious folds of Workout Season one,
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episode three. Let's begin some of these things. Hey, wait
a minute, what is she doing? I think I've dropped
some M and ms in my crotch and they melted,
so she might be looking chocolate. But we'll see if
she survives.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That could be the cliphanger.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Make it?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, well no, put that as the little teaser. You
know how they do that?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Now at the do it makes chocolate? Will it live?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
At the beginning of YouTube days? You have to watch
that torture seven minute. Yeah, it's called the hook.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I don't do the hook yet, don't do bother Maybe
we should do that. Welcome back to show Putting. I'm
here with my good friend Jess Rothschild. Hi. Thank you
for doing this.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Hi, this is the role I was born to play.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So, as you know, I've been watching work Out. I
never have watched it before.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It was it's unbelievable to me, because this is the
crown jewel in the Bravo in the early Bravo era.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, put me in the place of what was going
on in the lesbian realm of consciousness in two thousand
and six.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Thank you for asking that.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I would say, where were we, what were we doing?
What were we wearing?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
In two thousand and six, we were two seasons in
to the L Word airing, damn, So we are deep
in the lesbian zeitgeist. So what we're wearing. We have
a lot of girls thinking their shane from the L word,
which means we've got short, shaggy hair like the Sally
Hirschberger haircut. We're wearing a lot of vests, a lot
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a lot of like low rise jeans. I mean that
the L word that's really the center of the zion.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I didn't even think of that way.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Can I tell you something exactly why.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
This show popped off?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Probably go ahead, yes, And two days ago I'm going
for a walk out. I'm standing outside Cafe Clooney. Jennifer
Beals and Jennifer Bials and the creator of the L word,
Eileen Chaicken are standing like there's only the three of
us on the street. Cubby hole is right opposite and
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I guess they were going to breakfast and I snuck
a little video. Yeah, so we can embed that in
this if you would like.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Please. My old roommate was on The L Word. Her
name is Kate Frindch. She's beautiful. She played them.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You think I don't know who Kate friend role.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Was like the most beautiful lesbian in town.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
She was heavily. She a major role in the fifth season.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
She was great.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I still know you should go back. Okay, after this,
you turned this into in the Lward recap show.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Fine, so you're into the L word. Lesbian's are kind
of popping off.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, okay, we have to bring somebody into the conversation. Yes,
Jillian Michaels, We need to bring her in.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
She was before Jackie. Right.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Do you know that Jillian Michaels and Jackie Warner dated
for six years?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Tell me about that. They dated for six before workout.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
They owned sky Sport and Spot together.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
No, yes, oh my god, for six years.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Six years they lived together. There was a storyline on
The L Word that was like about like a rival
two rival lesbian nightclub promoters, and it was based on them.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh my god. Yeah, was their breakup nasty?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Horrendous? Oh god, which Jackie goes into detail, like she
told me that.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So you interview Jackie before for.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Your podcast five times.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Wow, you're an expert.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I could write a book.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I need to know where she is. Let's get organized. So,
first of all, Hot Takes and Deep Dives is the podcast,
and you've been on it. I know. I feel like
we've The most we've talked is when we've been on
your podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
No, we've gotten.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Closed, I know, but like I thrive on the mic.
So people can listen to the Jackie interviews on that podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Oh yeah, were you.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hearing of the Jillian Michaels Jackie Warner's stuff? No no, no,
the world didn't in the lesbian drama.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
No no no, she broke it on my show like
she told it and then like I got a lot
of press from it. So that's how it like explodes.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Okay, so tell me in a we can listen to
the full episode.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Please the episode. So they met, so they worked together,
and according to Jackie, she's the one who got Jillian
into fitness, into like training to Jackie, according to Jackie, yeah, yeah,
she's the one who got Jillian into training, and basically
they were really into I'm like, what did you guys
do together? They used to spin together. They were like hardcore,
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like workout fuck buddies. But they weren't in a relationship.
But it seems to be seemed to be a very
volatile relationship. Sure, I mean, according to Jackie, like Jillian's wild.
According to Jackie, Gillian would allegedly spit on people.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I mean, I see it. Yeah, Andy wrote about her
in his book. He's always said like she was the
worst person that was ever on watch Wappons Live. Do
we know why? I forget why. I forget what it was,
but I think she was rude to staff maybe.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And she's a big Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well that's another podcast. So Jackie, though at this point,
is a hot lesbian.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So this is what, So this is what. These are
the key facts you need to know. They opened Skysport
and Spot together. Yeah, and then they wanted Jackie for
Biggest Loser, but she had just opened up the gym,
so she's like, I don't want to do that, so
she recommended Jillianto.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The mid No and Biggest Loser. I was thinking, Hey,
throughout this episode, like there's this woman tests who comes
and she's overweight, and the way we talk about fitness
has come so far. You know that what they tell
them to eat, she tells her at one point in
this episode eat one hardbelled egg and a small apple.
Just the way they talk about it is very interesting.
But this is what we were Americans wanted to see
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fat people lose weight fast, and they wanted to see transformation.
The Swan was on. Yes, I'm trying to put in
context how Workout happened. I want to know. So Jackie
was on Blowout. She she was I read on some
thread like that that was her first thing on Bravo
was she was a guest to me. She would go
in to get her hair done on Blowout, which I
need to find that episode because I want to know, like,
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what was this is a reel for Workout? Who was
the producer that took it to Bravo? Do you know this?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
This is all in the first the first time I entered,
she told that whole story that basically they came to
her because she had this like gorgeous gym, and I
think they wanted to do something about the gym. But
then they were so fascinated by her that they were like, actually,
we just want to fall right.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well, you know, flipping out happened because Jenny made a
sizzle reel about her life and they were like, this
crazy boss you have, what's up with him? I'm just
fascinated by the way sizzles work. Yeah, sizzle reel. So
you watched Workout as a viewer as it was airing
in real time and you were living in New York. Oh,
yeah there was I guess MySpace. Facebook wasn't even really
happening yet. Where was the lesbian gossip tr Oh.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Thank you for asking, Friendster, I'll tell you where it was. Okay,
there's a corner of the Internet.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I've talked about this on Hobcakes. There's a corner of
the Internet called el chat, and it looks like it
looks like it was built in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Chance, so you were like, what is the tea on
the famous lesbian And.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It's all just like anonymous lesbians gossiping and this would
it still runs today? That was the Reddit?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Well, it was data Lounge. There's a thing called data
Orange for gay guys.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's Jada Lounge, which was mean you go.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
In there and be like, oh John, when I was
in harrispreap, oh John, I had sexed with me as
a small dick, like all these horrible rumors.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
After Ellen was the big like lesbian website that was
the big thing at the time, and then later in
two thousand and nine, I was a founding writer of
this others this independen I'm very like professional lesbian. I
was a founding writer of the alternative sort of like
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the Brooklyn version was called Autostrato.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I know this, of course, and it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Still exists today. Yeah, so I was recapping a lot
of like whenever Rose O'donnald would go on the Howard
Stern Show, I would record like illegally, like bootleg the
thing off of Sirius and like rip the audio. It's
probably still up there.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
The police are coming right now to the rest in
Sydney to jail. So that's what the King for your service, though,
was Jackie considered a hostful sex object. Imagine, she is
very sexy.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
She's got that Madonna body, like that perfect the perfect
muff where she's not too skinny, where she doesn't look
like she doesn't look like she's a eating disorder. She's
like the proper ratio. She has the perfect physique.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
So she was thirty seven when she shot this. I
think like thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Thirty eight, that's you're in your prime.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's when you're in your prime.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Oh wait, I have another bit of workout, ton Okay,
so you'll really appreciate this a little peak behind the curtain.
I'm working on a not a workout, but I'm working
on a fitness related uh documentary series which John is
part of.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
John is part of it.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I can't say what exactly it is, but it is
like so sweet spot pop culture of a certain era,
much like this. Yes, like people are going to be
very interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah. And the instructor who was my pyotal like spiritual awakening.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Like instructor we can say psychic.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah we're talking about so yes, the thing is about soulcych.
The instructor who was like my like the person who
like hooked me and like where I found my community.
Her name is Stevie Braids.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yes, I know Stevie from See Lesbian.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
She's not gay? Can you believe it?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Are you sitting down? So she lived there, so she
moved here for soul cycle. She was recruited. She was
a trainer at Sky Sport and Spa and she didn't
want to be on reality TV, so she's working there.
So I had my eyes darting around, where is she?
Where's Stevie?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, my old trainer, Craig was on workout or he
was onvention. Craig Ramsey, he's my old trainer friend. He's
a Broadway guy. He was my just actual trainer at
golds Gym in La. Is he on workout or intervention?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Intervention?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Okay? He's a great guy. The thing about Jackie that
I love is that all through this episode when her
mom's there, she's very patient. Jackie's very good, and she
says something interesting. She's like, I handle my mom the
way I've always handled my mom, which is just to
be patient and be nice. When I was in my
thirties and twenties in LA and my mom would come.
It's frustrating because you're being the bigger person by saying like,
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it's okay, you want to prove my lifestyle, but sure
you can be a part of my life. That's a
hard thing for someone who is the junior person in
the relationship to do. She says, I just want my
mom to be able to talk to her, and that's
what I've always said. I didn't care. I didn't need
my mom to have an answer. I didn't my mom
to have the fix. But I wanted to be able
to be like, here's what I'm struggling with, and her'd
be like, oh, I get that, let's figure it out together.
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But that wasn't an option. I don't know. I was
very touched by Hi.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I totally forgot the scene where Jackie and Mimi are painting.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Okay, wait, I have to issue an apology because on
the last episode I mercilessly mocked the painting that Mimi
gives Jackie. And it wasn't until this episode that I
realized that Mimi painted it herself. She didn't say, oh,
you painted this for me. She goes, oh, thanks. Now
I think it's a beautiful painting because she painted it,
and I apologize for that. Now I think it's beautiful
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and I want one. Let me go through like this story. Yeah, please,
we're recovering from Mimi walking out. In last episode, we
set up that Jackie's mom is coming. Her name's Karen,
lives in Ohio. She's coming to visit. She's worried about
her mom's visit. I'm glad. Also, they front loaded this
story in Workout season one. This conversation wasn't happening in
real time on television, disapproving parent, gay kid out loud
(13:15):
and proud, like this was a major discussion to be having.
I think on reality TV. Yeah, there was discussion about
being gay, but this exact dynamic.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
For it, like a Christian more.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, I hate the word edgy, but it was an
edgier show. Also, these girls are kissing, they're hunguing at
the table and she's like, I'm gonna freeze my fucking egg.
She's like, I'm going to carry your baby anyway. She
says all through the episode, I am so focused on
my career. I don't want my mom to distract me.
Tests we already mentioned that one boiled egg and one
small apple is the suggested diet for her, and so
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that orgastric bypass.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It made me think. It made me think of a
Exampit me too.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
This was an example of the conversation of the general
population was like, there's a weight problem. What are my solutions?
Ill you? I did a bump of ozmpic. No, yeah,
I did.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
You did a bump.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I did a bump of ozempic when like a year
and a half ago, Oh my gosh, I went to
this doctor and he was like, I'm going to put
you on all this longevity mets. I had turned forty five,
and he's like, my dad had died of you know,
he had a horrible dementia. And he's like, we're going
to put you on all this longevity like biohacking stuff, heptides, peptides, peptides,
and you know, we're going to put you on ozempic.
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And I was like, I don't need to go on
no ozempic. I know. It's like I don't want to
be on that, like I'm in shape. And he was like, no, no,
it's not for that. It's for longevity. It's to prevent Alzheimer's.
It's all this good stuff. Everyone's going to be on
it eventually, and I was like, no, I don't want that.
And then a month went by. I had a moment
where I felt fat over the holidays and I go, hey,
remember what you said. I was to try it, so
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what were the effects? Okay, really quick and they'll get
back to work out.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
No, this is the most interesting part.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I have disordered eating, so like me too, I am,
I was orthorexic for a long time. Anything that goes
in has to be processable. You have to go work
out so you can earn the calories you eat. It
was just it's my.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Mind was I'm very similar.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, yeah, So my issues around food, I wrangled them
in on my own. But my food noise, as they say,
was always there. So like even though I was in
great shape, my mind was always on, like, oh can
I can I get a brownie today at four pm?
If I have worked out and don't CrossFit and done this,
and then if I have this for dinner? Can I
have that brown It just was a lot. So when
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I took the Olympic, that went away, and for someone
like me who was obsessive about food, it was the
biggest sigh of relief.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Whow but with one bump.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
One bump, I mean I did it for like a month.
But for me, the danger that and this is just
my experience, I'm not a doctor, It was dangerous to
someone with disorder eating because the relief I felt from
that was dangerous because then I never wanted to eat
and I stopped thinking about food entirely, and that made me.
I was like, thank God, I don't have to worry
about this anymore. And I lost my I lost I
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had spent three years in the gym making so building
so much muscle. It went away in like two months.
I gained it back.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
So it was emotionally messed with me. And I think
that if people are going to do ozimpic, they need
to just be talking about it with their therapist, with
a friend, wow, just so that they're aware of the changes,
because it's a big change in your mind.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Ozembic is also yea assol dials down the need for alcohol.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's the other thing like it did. I don't really
have cravings anyway, but like your urge to be compulsive
is a little bit like calm down. So it's interesting anyway, Jackie,
now we get to the art class. Go, okay, they
met in art. Jackie met in art class.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That was an iconic revelation, very less.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And I can still see it. Oh, it's so oward.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Jackie has an art suo in her house now in Ohio.
So like that, we've got consistency there.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
When are we going to talk about the fact that
Jackie lives in Ohio. Can you tell me? Okay, let's
just get through the episode then we'll because I want
to that's what I want to know most about Jackie
wants to freeze her eggs.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
It's kind of sexy. When she painted like the whiskers
on her I was into that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's a difference between I think like lesbian romance. I
don't like a playful don't paint on my face, and
it made.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Me like be like, oh, I want someone I know.
I did have the pang of like.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
One that's healthy. I would have been like, I'm never
speaking to you again. Don't paint my face.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, she did say she mentioned that they're acrylic.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, it was cute. Karen makes a sex change joke.
Jackie's like, I want to tell you something. She's like,
you're not having a sex change, are you again? I
was expecting to be kind of angered and enraged by
Karen this whole episode, and there was a part of
me that was, But for the most part I appreciated
her bravery to go on TV and be authentically open
about where she stood on this kind of stuff, and
then by the end of the episode, not to skip ahead.
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They're sitting there at the dinner table and she is
being attacked by like ten gay people. And even though
I want to shake her and be like, you're so stupid,
why can't you just drop it? It's not a nice
dynamic anyway. I thought it was very big of Jackie
and her to let this be shown. Conversations we were
not was.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Not legal yet.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, they really went for it.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
You know what they never say and workout?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
And also like what they're serving like velveta cheese soup.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Guess what Mimi did for a living?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Oh, I can guess this not a stylist. Oh wow,
I don't know. She's not very personable.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
What does she spin instructor?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Oh? Of course that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And according to Jackie, her class was the best.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'm sure it was. Where was it cycle house?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I don't know. I should tell I Will wasn't invented.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
To Mimi wants to carry Jackie's baby is the Revelations
dinner table, which is like, also, if I'm a mom,
I'm doing my best to be open minded. And this
girl says, I'm not only a lesbian, I'm gonna have
a baby with your daughter, and I'm gonna carry it.
I would be like, all right, can you guys calm down?
Tests comes back, she vomits. Karen goes with Jackie to
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the fertility clinic. The doctor says, we're gonna stick a
needle in your vagina, and I freeze framed the moment
Jackie heres, They're gonna put a needle in your vagina
just to rap it on. Karen. This is just a
quick one about famous Karen's name. That Karen. This model
Karen was in Dumb and Dumber and is also famous
for having lupus. Karen Duffy. You're not gonna know a
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lot of these, but this.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Is lesbee and trivia. Would I need less trivia?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I almost I almost did that. Okay, we'll do a
bonus episode only on lesbian trivia. This psychoanalyst Karen in
the early nineteen hundreds is credited with founding feminist psychology
in response to Freud's theory of penis envy. Glorious Dinas
Karen Horny Horny, this dreamy interer exic song Tress was
also a super badass drummer.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Oh this I know Karen Carpenter Boom.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
This Karen once had a piece of poop thrown on
her face at a skating rink in San Antonio, Texas.
My mom, Okay, I want to hear more. How did
you locate Jackie and how did you get to her?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
A A lot of fucking work.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I bet it works. I'm gonna just you do it.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You are going to reap the benefits of the hard work.
So the time period is summer twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Not a good time period.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Cut to July twenty twenty. Okay. I had been doing
my podcast for a while and Jackie Warner was my
number one dream guest.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Naturally auto straddle.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I'm clicking on the website, I'm emailing through the form.
It's going absolutely nowhere.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
She was your number one guest. Just why?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Because I loved lesbian shit and Bravo. I majored in
the lesbian Internet and it was like that is like
Bravo Iconography or like those shows. She was my big
fish was Jackie Warner? Couldn't find her?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Cut too, I'm on Fire Island. Okay, shout out. I'm
in the pines. I'm talking to my friend about how
I need Jackie Warner.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You're in the pines, not Cherry Grove I was in
the pines.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Wow, okay, I was like, I gotta try one more time,
and this time I called the number. There was a
number on her website and so I called it and
I texted it like maybe two weeks prior. And then
I was like talking about it. I look at my phone.
I'm walking on the boards and it's like, hey, this
is Jackie Warner. And I'm like, everything must stop right now.
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I'm like, God has just like spoken to I was like,
oh my God, HI, Like, I would love to interview
you because this was this is the number that you
would text or call if you want to break a session.
But no, I got aul terror or motive. So we
set it up and we did the damn thing.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And this is over.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
She loves me.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And so what did she tell you? Just to recap Right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Before the pandemic, she coincidentally had decided to leave LA
and move home to Ohio.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Why did she move back to Ohio?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Number one, I think she blew through all her money.
She's very reckless with money. I hope she's not listening
to this, but she says it in the podcast.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I listening to this. I love you. Jackie.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
She told me in the first interview that she would
like take a limo to the grocery store girl, And
I was like, why why would you do that? She's
like because I could. Like she said, she like made
and lost a million dollars like ten times over throughout
her life.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Isn't that just the way? That is the way, either
good saver or you're not. I'm working my way up
to being good saver. But I don't take a limit
at the grocery store. Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
So she was, So she lost a lot of money.
And then do you remember the inciting incident of the
dui rs.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I don't even know about the du rs. I'm literally trying.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
To do everything and cut right to this. This was
like twenty eleven, twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So what happened? She got a dui This is what happened.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So that hits the news and you don't really hear
much about. I mean, there was a whole thing, and
then the UI was in La yes, okay, And then
of course I was like, that was headline news in
my life.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Sure, and then auto Shuttle feature.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Years went by and you don't really hear about Jackie.
And then I find out that she's back in Ohio.
In our second interview, I think I finally got around
to like, so why do you wind up leaving La?
Like it's like, yeah, yeah, what circled around and she
was like, to be honest, she was like, I never
talk about this, but the d y arrest ruined my career.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That'll do it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
She was taking Ambient to sleep and she drove in
an ambient blackout. She drove to seven eleven to like
get chips, and she was like inner, like panties and
like flip flops, like half naked, and I think she
like tried to like there was an altercation I think
with a police over mugshot TMZ, the whole thing and that,
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like if you're a fitness and wellness expert, like she
was the go to person to be in a comment
in all the magazines like Get Healthy.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Oh Man, Ambient is such a such a bitch. I
used to take Ambient to go party.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Wouldn't it make you fall asleep?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah? But I have like I think the opposite reaction.
It just makes you high. If I was bored, I
would just like take an ambient and see what happens.
I was a pill popper. I would find pills on
the street and I don't know what the words take them,
So pill on the subway. Oh cool, thanks the universe
gave me a pill, Like I was crazy. Remember all
the times when people were taking ambient and tweeting like
Christian Scheno with yes.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Wasn't that what? Famously Brose blamed her tweet on Oh yeah,
she said she was altered.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I don't know, but that sounds about right anyway. Don't
do ambient and don't put it up your butt a
DOUI that is it's traumatic? Yeah, okay, that does it?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So that is Ultimately.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Her mom lives at Karen from this episode lives in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
This is where she's Basically she has an incredible relationship
with her parents. Like now, like when you talk to her,
she's like, I'm growing over my parents for dinner. Like
she's like, she's like, I don't curse. She's like they're
Mormon and so like she lives very close to her
parents and like they have this beautiful relationship.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Mimi is still a spin instructor.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I don't know what Mimi's profession is.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, that could be a.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Follow up project.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
She should work for Doge. You know, like I could
see Mimi coming into like the Ministry of Health or
the Department of Education being like, you know what, everything out.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I could see Mimi being an instructor at rumble Boxing.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yes, right, the freezing the eggs thing. Would you ever
let a girlfriend carry your baby?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
It's called reciprocal IVF.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Reciprocal IVF.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Now it's when somebody else's carrying when your partner can.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Sure, Okay, I mean I get the desire. I get why.
It's because it's like you're both having a baby.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I don't want any baby me either. This is what
I want.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
This is all I want.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Hello, should we clone her for fifty grand? You want
to go in and meet twenty twenty one weekn clone her?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, let's clone you. Let's see. There's not a whole
lot of interaction with the other cast members. I mean,
I know that Doug.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Who is your favorite?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Oh wait, what about Doug Passes? I know he was
my favorite. Though.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I wanted to ask which of the trainers is most
intriguing to you?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Doug number one? Intriguing that I want to hook up
with him?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yes, we're just like storyline or like, who do you
think is funny.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I really love Brian Peeler.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Peeler, I do.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Is Rebecca in season one?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yes, and I know that that you looked ahead. The
initial Google is like, oh, and then she dates Rebecca,
So I'm seeing this all happen well in like the
first episode.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Can I come back for that for that episode?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, I would like it. Yes, There's only six episodes
in season once, so I'll be in season two in
three weeks. Is Rebecca still around?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
She's still alive?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Okay, good, thank god she's still around. I know.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Oh, Jesse was my favorite. I always to think he
was so cute.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
He is cute. Not my type. Doug's more my type,
and then Brian's my type. Next. I have a friend,
a good friend of mine who when I started doing
this show, he called and he was like, oh my god,
I have to tell you my workout story. He went
out on a date with Jesse. Jesse blew him and
while he was blowing him, a Bowflex commercial came on
and one of the other trainers from Workout was in
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the commercial, so he felt like he was having a
three way with the trainers.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Okay, so I'm episode three, Season one workout. I have
a lot ahead of me, But what should I look
out for as I as I move forward?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You want to keep an eye on Rebecca?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Do you want to keep an eye on Rebecca? I
think I remember loving season three. I think it just
gets better and better.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, Andy was an executive on this, and so I'm
gonna get him.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I believe Jackie hed I'm sure you're going to get
him on it.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, oh yes, So I think I want to do
maybe episode five Andy talking about the season or the series,
and then six. I want to get Jackie on here.
Do you think I can?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I think she's gettable. What if we take in this
epic trip?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Let's go? Can we? But listen, I have rules, I
have demands.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Okay, what are the demands?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Demands are?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
What do we drive or fly? I think we're flying
to like a one hour flight?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
We're flying forty eight hours max.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I think we can keep it to twenty four.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, like I'm not. I'm getting in and getting the
fuck out, But I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Where are we staying.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Fucking super eight bitch? The Motel six a roadside close
to the airport. Getting out? What's city in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
What's the capital of Ohio, Des Moines.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I don't know, all right, I need to Ohio city.
I got Columbus, Cleveland, I don't know Chicago, that's Illinois.
I'll find out date Ohio.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I've never been to. I've driven through.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
This is the funniest conversation two people.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
There's something.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Okay, we're gonna figure this out. Let us know in
the comments what you would like to see us do
with Jackie Warner in.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Honor of that was a production meeting.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
People want to know.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
No, no, no, don't cut a thing.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
No, do not cut a thing. I'm not cutting a
second of this. In honor of Jackie. You're gonna hate this.
In honor of Jackie freezing her eggs, I made a
little game called what's colder? A glass of water or water?
Found water, glass of water correct school cafeteria milk or
a bottle of water from a vetting machine?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
What's colder? Bottle of water from a vending machine.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Air outside on a fall morning, or air from.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
An air conditioner vent air conditioner.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yes, popsicle or ice cream cone?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Popsicles in the freezer? Can we just do lesbian trivia
next time? So make something up. I thought it would
be one question.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I thought it would be two on the nose.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
What's your favorite lesbian movie?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
The first thing that came to my mind just now
was Boys on the Side, but that's not Drew Barrymore.
Drew Barrymore and also Whoopi Goldberg as les Me. The
first line in that movie is go back to Pakistan.
She tells it to a cab driver. It's awful.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I can't believe you've never watched the L word. This
will be the greatest gift you could ever give yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I love lesbian drama.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
This is like actual, like fucking strap off, like your
trap off. It's nuts.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Wow. Okay, I have a lot to think about Jess Rothschild.
You've given me a lot. I feel almost nervous. I
knew there was something here with workout, but I didn't
know it was a port major. Yeah. Well, if you
want to hear a lot about Jackie in the time
between before NAT, between now and when Jess and I
go to Ohio to meet her in person and shoot
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an amazing interview with her, Listen to hot Takes and
deep Dives Jess Podcasts for what five interviews Jackie Wow
bye bye. Thank you for joining us. What do you
have any do you have any final thoughts on lesbians? Okay,
thank you so much. Thanks for playing the games. Next time,
I mean it should have been lesbian trivia bonus. Come
(30:14):
on to do a bonus and we'll do lesbian trivia.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I'll run circles around you.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I'm sure you will. Who's your favorite lesbian singer?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Favorite lesbian singer? It's not like Katie Lying and that shit.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Chapel Roone.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
No favorite lesbian sing I mean Chapman. I gotta say
Melissa etherchs Bangers.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, I just saw her in concert.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
What's your favorite?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So well? I sang come to My Window from my
six Flags audition and.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You talk about in your show. Okay, pick another song,
bring Me Some Water amazing. That's an amazing song as.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
A version of bring Me Some Water with Sophie B.
Hawkins from BH one Live Storytellers.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You know Sophie B. Hawkins dated Rosie O'donnald Did you
know that? Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I didn't know that. But Sophie Hawkins put a fertilized
embryo in her at fifty and I think everything went fine,
but I was thinking about that during Jackie's.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Something I want you to freeze in the eggs, something
I want you to think about. Do you think like
Jackie had a baby. Do you think she did freeze
or eggs? Do you think like what happened Jackie's fertility journey?
Just something to think about.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I haven't thought about it. Wait, this whole episode was
about it. I know. I kind of want to say
she did nothing with those eggs and they were never
made into kids, because I think we know. I think
I wouldn't even Oh shit, she has kids, where's her kids?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
She doesn't. But it's a whole it's an interesting Yeah,
it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I couldn't really see it didn't really seem in the
universe was pointing me the direction of like these are
going to become individual entities that we will know and love.
But again, I'm like you, when I'm seeing these journeys
of having kids, I'm like, that's your fucking funeral. I
don't want to. I don't want to be a part
of any child's journey. Okay, follow Jess.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Just X and y see it's all happening.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
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Show Pony Pumped our companion after show fitness podcast until
next week. I'm John Hill. This is Show Pony. What's up?
Are you a big fan of Jackie Warner? Where were
you in two thousand and six? What are your thoughts
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on lesbianism
Jackie Warner, celebrity fitness guru, Bravo reality star, lesbian icon.
But what happened to Jackie Warner? When I started this podcast,
I had no idea where it would mean me. I
began watching Workout season one, and now three episodes in
my entire world is changing. This show is powerful. It
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gets under your skin. I think about it, I dream
about it. I've begun looking at women as if I
myself am a fierce lesbian hot on the hunt. I've
begun wearing high tea back thongs and bootcut true religion genes.
And when my hair grows out and I can cut tips,
you'd best believe they'll be frosted. Workout has challenged everything
(00:57):
I thought I knew behind the Veneer, a sexy reality
drama and the chaotic antics of two thousand and six
La Liza mystery so compelling it has robbed me of
my sanity, my serenity. Now I'm on a mission to
find Jackie Warner. But how I'm not an investigative journalist.
I'm merely a horse hung confident king who loves donuts
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and diet coke. So to get serious, I'm going to
talk to someone who knows the layered, lush and labial
lesbian zeitgeist inside and literally out. A professional lesbian, a
one woman hive mind of Sapphix Seduction. Welcome to show Pony,
a relentless look at the shows that shape us. It's
time to dive into the mysterious folds of Workout Season one,
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episode three. Let's begin some of these things. Hey, wait
a minute, what is she doing? I think I've dropped
some M and ms in my crotch and they melted,
so she might be looking chocolate. But we'll see if
she survives.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
That could be the cliphanger.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Make it?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, well no, put that as the little teaser. You
know how they do that?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Now at the do it makes chocolate? Will it live?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
At the beginning of YouTube days? You have to watch
that torture seven minute. Yeah, it's called the hook.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I don't do the hook yet, don't do bother Maybe
we should do that. Welcome back to show Putting. I'm
here with my good friend Jess Rothschild. Hi. Thank you
for doing this.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Hi, this is the role I was born to play.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So, as you know, I've been watching work Out. I
never have watched it before.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
It was it's unbelievable to me, because this is the
crown jewel in the Bravo in the early Bravo era.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yeah, put me in the place of what was going
on in the lesbian realm of consciousness in two thousand
and six.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Thank you for asking that.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I would say, where were we, what were we doing?
What were we wearing?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
In two thousand and six, we were two seasons in
to the L Word airing, damn, So we are deep
in the lesbian zeitgeist. So what we're wearing. We have
a lot of girls thinking their shane from the L word,
which means we've got short, shaggy hair like the Sally
Hirschberger haircut. We're wearing a lot of vests, a lot
(03:10):
a lot of like low rise jeans. I mean that
the L word that's really the center of the zion.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I didn't even think of that way.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Can I tell you something exactly why.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
This show popped off?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Probably go ahead, yes, And two days ago I'm going
for a walk out. I'm standing outside Cafe Clooney. Jennifer
Beals and Jennifer Bials and the creator of the L word,
Eileen Chaicken are standing like there's only the three of
us on the street. Cubby hole is right opposite and
(03:41):
I guess they were going to breakfast and I snuck
a little video. Yeah, so we can embed that in
this if you would like.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Please. My old roommate was on The L Word. Her
name is Kate Frindch. She's beautiful. She played them.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You think I don't know who Kate friend role.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Was like the most beautiful lesbian in town.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
She was heavily. She a major role in the fifth season.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
She was great.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I still know you should go back. Okay, after this,
you turned this into in the Lward recap show.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Fine, so you're into the L word. Lesbian's are kind
of popping off.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Well, okay, we have to bring somebody into the conversation. Yes,
Jillian Michaels, We need to bring her in.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
She was before Jackie. Right.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Do you know that Jillian Michaels and Jackie Warner dated
for six years?
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Tell me about that. They dated for six before workout.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
They owned sky Sport and Spot together.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
No, yes, oh my god, for six years.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Six years they lived together. There was a storyline on
The L Word that was like about like a rival
two rival lesbian nightclub promoters, and it was based on them.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh my god. Yeah, was their breakup nasty?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Horrendous? Oh god, which Jackie goes into detail, like she
told me that.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So you interview Jackie before for.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Your podcast five times.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Wow, you're an expert.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I could write a book.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I need to know where she is. Let's get organized. So,
first of all, Hot Takes and Deep Dives is the podcast,
and you've been on it. I know. I feel like
we've The most we've talked is when we've been on
your podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
No, we've gotten.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Closed, I know, but like I thrive on the mic.
So people can listen to the Jackie interviews on that podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Oh yeah, were you.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hearing of the Jillian Michaels Jackie Warner's stuff? No no, no,
the world didn't in the lesbian drama.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
No no no, she broke it on my show like
she told it and then like I got a lot
of press from it. So that's how it like explodes.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Okay, so tell me in a we can listen to
the full episode.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Please the episode. So they met, so they worked together,
and according to Jackie, she's the one who got Jillian
into fitness, into like training to Jackie, according to Jackie, yeah, yeah,
she's the one who got Jillian into training, and basically
they were really into I'm like, what did you guys
do together? They used to spin together. They were like hardcore,
(06:06):
like workout fuck buddies. But they weren't in a relationship.
But it seems to be seemed to be a very
volatile relationship. Sure, I mean, according to Jackie, like Jillian's wild.
According to Jackie, Gillian would allegedly spit on people.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I mean, I see it. Yeah, Andy wrote about her
in his book. He's always said like she was the
worst person that was ever on watch Wappons Live. Do
we know why? I forget why. I forget what it was,
but I think she was rude to staff maybe.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And she's a big Trump supporter.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well that's another podcast. So Jackie, though at this point,
is a hot lesbian.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So this is what, So this is what. These are
the key facts you need to know. They opened Skysport
and Spot together. Yeah, and then they wanted Jackie for
Biggest Loser, but she had just opened up the gym,
so she's like, I don't want to do that, so
she recommended Jillianto.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
The mid No and Biggest Loser. I was thinking, Hey,
throughout this episode, like there's this woman tests who comes
and she's overweight, and the way we talk about fitness
has come so far. You know that what they tell
them to eat, she tells her at one point in
this episode eat one hardbelled egg and a small apple.
Just the way they talk about it is very interesting.
But this is what we were Americans wanted to see
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fat people lose weight fast, and they wanted to see transformation.
The Swan was on. Yes, I'm trying to put in
context how Workout happened. I want to know. So Jackie
was on Blowout. She she was I read on some
thread like that that was her first thing on Bravo
was she was a guest to me. She would go
in to get her hair done on Blowout, which I
need to find that episode because I want to know, like,
(07:42):
what was this is a reel for Workout? Who was
the producer that took it to Bravo? Do you know this?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
This is all in the first the first time I entered,
she told that whole story that basically they came to
her because she had this like gorgeous gym, and I
think they wanted to do something about the gym. But
then they were so fascinated by her that they were like, actually,
we just want to fall right.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well, you know, flipping out happened because Jenny made a
sizzle reel about her life and they were like, this
crazy boss you have, what's up with him? I'm just
fascinated by the way sizzles work. Yeah, sizzle reel. So
you watched Workout as a viewer as it was airing
in real time and you were living in New York. Oh,
yeah there was I guess MySpace. Facebook wasn't even really
happening yet. Where was the lesbian gossip tr Oh.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Thank you for asking, Friendster, I'll tell you where it was. Okay,
there's a corner of the Internet.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I've talked about this on Hobcakes. There's a corner of
the Internet called el chat, and it looks like it
looks like it was built in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Chance, so you were like, what is the tea on
the famous lesbian And.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It's all just like anonymous lesbians gossiping and this would
it still runs today? That was the Reddit?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Well, it was data Lounge. There's a thing called data
Orange for gay guys.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
It's Jada Lounge, which was mean you go.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
In there and be like, oh John, when I was
in harrispreap, oh John, I had sexed with me as
a small dick, like all these horrible rumors.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
After Ellen was the big like lesbian website that was
the big thing at the time, and then later in
two thousand and nine, I was a founding writer of
this others this independen I'm very like professional lesbian. I
was a founding writer of the alternative sort of like
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the Brooklyn version was called Autostrato.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I know this, of course, and it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Still exists today. Yeah, so I was recapping a lot
of like whenever Rose O'donnald would go on the Howard
Stern Show, I would record like illegally, like bootleg the
thing off of Sirius and like rip the audio. It's
probably still up there.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
The police are coming right now to the rest in
Sydney to jail. So that's what the King for your service, though,
was Jackie considered a hostful sex object. Imagine, she is
very sexy.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
She's got that Madonna body, like that perfect the perfect
muff where she's not too skinny, where she doesn't look
like she doesn't look like she's a eating disorder. She's
like the proper ratio. She has the perfect physique.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
So she was thirty seven when she shot this. I
think like thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Thirty eight, that's you're in your prime.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's when you're in your prime.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Oh wait, I have another bit of workout, ton Okay,
so you'll really appreciate this a little peak behind the curtain.
I'm working on a not a workout, but I'm working
on a fitness related uh documentary series which John is
part of.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's so good.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
John is part of it.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I can't say what exactly it is, but it is
like so sweet spot pop culture of a certain era,
much like this. Yes, like people are going to be
very interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah. And the instructor who was my pyotal like spiritual awakening.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Like instructor we can say psychic.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah we're talking about so yes, the thing is about soulcych.
The instructor who was like my like the person who
like hooked me and like where I found my community.
Her name is Stevie Braids.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Yes, I know Stevie from See Lesbian.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
She's not gay? Can you believe it?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Are you sitting down? So she lived there, so she
moved here for soul cycle. She was recruited. She was
a trainer at Sky Sport and Spa and she didn't
want to be on reality TV, so she's working there.
So I had my eyes darting around, where is she?
Where's Stevie?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, my old trainer, Craig was on workout or he
was onvention. Craig Ramsey, he's my old trainer friend. He's
a Broadway guy. He was my just actual trainer at
golds Gym in La. Is he on workout or intervention?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Intervention?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Okay? He's a great guy. The thing about Jackie that
I love is that all through this episode when her
mom's there, she's very patient. Jackie's very good, and she
says something interesting. She's like, I handle my mom the
way I've always handled my mom, which is just to
be patient and be nice. When I was in my
thirties and twenties in LA and my mom would come.
It's frustrating because you're being the bigger person by saying like,
(11:58):
it's okay, you want to prove my lifestyle, but sure
you can be a part of my life. That's a
hard thing for someone who is the junior person in
the relationship to do. She says, I just want my
mom to be able to talk to her, and that's
what I've always said. I didn't care. I didn't need
my mom to have an answer. I didn't my mom
to have the fix. But I wanted to be able
to be like, here's what I'm struggling with, and her'd
be like, oh, I get that, let's figure it out together.
(12:20):
But that wasn't an option. I don't know. I was
very touched by Hi.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I totally forgot the scene where Jackie and Mimi are painting.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Okay, wait, I have to issue an apology because on
the last episode I mercilessly mocked the painting that Mimi
gives Jackie. And it wasn't until this episode that I
realized that Mimi painted it herself. She didn't say, oh,
you painted this for me. She goes, oh, thanks. Now
I think it's a beautiful painting because she painted it,
and I apologize for that. Now I think it's beautiful
(12:51):
and I want one. Let me go through like this story. Yeah, please,
we're recovering from Mimi walking out. In last episode, we
set up that Jackie's mom is coming. Her name's Karen,
lives in Ohio. She's coming to visit. She's worried about
her mom's visit. I'm glad. Also, they front loaded this
story in Workout season one. This conversation wasn't happening in
real time on television, disapproving parent, gay kid out loud
(13:15):
and proud, like this was a major discussion to be having.
I think on reality TV. Yeah, there was discussion about
being gay, but this exact dynamic.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
For it, like a Christian more.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, I hate the word edgy, but it was an
edgier show. Also, these girls are kissing, they're hunguing at
the table and she's like, I'm gonna freeze my fucking egg.
She's like, I'm going to carry your baby anyway. She
says all through the episode, I am so focused on
my career. I don't want my mom to distract me.
Tests we already mentioned that one boiled egg and one
small apple is the suggested diet for her, and so
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that orgastric bypass.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It made me think. It made me think of a
Exampit me too.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
This was an example of the conversation of the general
population was like, there's a weight problem. What are my solutions?
Ill you? I did a bump of ozmpic. No, yeah,
I did.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
You did a bump.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I did a bump of ozempic when like a year
and a half ago, Oh my gosh, I went to
this doctor and he was like, I'm going to put
you on all this longevity mets. I had turned forty five,
and he's like, my dad had died of you know,
he had a horrible dementia. And he's like, we're going
to put you on all this longevity like biohacking stuff, heptides, peptides, peptides,
and you know, we're going to put you on ozempic.
(14:28):
And I was like, I don't need to go on
no ozempic. I know. It's like I don't want to
be on that, like I'm in shape. And he was like, no, no,
it's not for that. It's for longevity. It's to prevent Alzheimer's.
It's all this good stuff. Everyone's going to be on
it eventually, and I was like, no, I don't want that.
And then a month went by. I had a moment
where I felt fat over the holidays and I go, hey,
remember what you said. I was to try it, so
(14:48):
what were the effects? Okay, really quick and they'll get
back to work out.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
No, this is the most interesting part.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
I have disordered eating, so like me too, I am,
I was orthorexic for a long time. Anything that goes
in has to be processable. You have to go work
out so you can earn the calories you eat. It
was just it's my.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Mind was I'm very similar.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, yeah, So my issues around food, I wrangled them
in on my own. But my food noise, as they say,
was always there. So like even though I was in
great shape, my mind was always on, like, oh can
I can I get a brownie today at four pm?
If I have worked out and don't CrossFit and done this,
and then if I have this for dinner? Can I
have that brown It just was a lot. So when
(15:27):
I took the Olympic, that went away, and for someone
like me who was obsessive about food, it was the
biggest sigh of relief.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Whow but with one bump.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
One bump, I mean I did it for like a month.
But for me, the danger that and this is just
my experience, I'm not a doctor, It was dangerous to
someone with disorder eating because the relief I felt from
that was dangerous because then I never wanted to eat
and I stopped thinking about food entirely, and that made me.
I was like, thank God, I don't have to worry
about this anymore. And I lost my I lost I
(16:01):
had spent three years in the gym making so building
so much muscle. It went away in like two months.
I gained it back.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
So it was emotionally messed with me. And I think
that if people are going to do ozimpic, they need
to just be talking about it with their therapist, with
a friend, wow, just so that they're aware of the changes,
because it's a big change in your mind.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Ozembic is also yea assol dials down the need for alcohol.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
That's the other thing like it did. I don't really
have cravings anyway, but like your urge to be compulsive
is a little bit like calm down. So it's interesting anyway, Jackie,
now we get to the art class. Go, okay, they
met in art. Jackie met in art class.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That was an iconic revelation, very less.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
And I can still see it. Oh, it's so oward.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Jackie has an art suo in her house now in Ohio.
So like that, we've got consistency there.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
When are we going to talk about the fact that
Jackie lives in Ohio. Can you tell me? Okay, let's
just get through the episode then we'll because I want
to that's what I want to know most about Jackie
wants to freeze her eggs.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
It's kind of sexy. When she painted like the whiskers
on her I was into that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's a difference between I think like lesbian romance. I
don't like a playful don't paint on my face, and
it made.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Me like be like, oh, I want someone I know.
I did have the pang of like.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
One that's healthy. I would have been like, I'm never
speaking to you again. Don't paint my face.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, she did say she mentioned that they're acrylic.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, it was cute. Karen makes a sex change joke.
Jackie's like, I want to tell you something. She's like,
you're not having a sex change, are you again? I
was expecting to be kind of angered and enraged by
Karen this whole episode, and there was a part of
me that was, But for the most part I appreciated
her bravery to go on TV and be authentically open
about where she stood on this kind of stuff, and
then by the end of the episode, not to skip ahead.
(17:45):
They're sitting there at the dinner table and she is
being attacked by like ten gay people. And even though
I want to shake her and be like, you're so stupid,
why can't you just drop it? It's not a nice
dynamic anyway. I thought it was very big of Jackie
and her to let this be shown. Conversations we were
not was.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Not legal yet.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, they really went for it.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
You know what they never say and workout?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
And also like what they're serving like velveta cheese soup.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Guess what Mimi did for a living?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Oh, I can guess this not a stylist. Oh wow,
I don't know. She's not very personable.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
What does she spin instructor?
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Oh? Of course that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And according to Jackie, her class was the best.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'm sure it was. Where was it cycle house?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I don't know. I should tell I Will wasn't invented.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
To Mimi wants to carry Jackie's baby is the Revelations
dinner table, which is like, also, if I'm a mom,
I'm doing my best to be open minded. And this
girl says, I'm not only a lesbian, I'm gonna have
a baby with your daughter, and I'm gonna carry it.
I would be like, all right, can you guys calm down?
Tests comes back, she vomits. Karen goes with Jackie to
(18:49):
the fertility clinic. The doctor says, we're gonna stick a
needle in your vagina, and I freeze framed the moment
Jackie heres, They're gonna put a needle in your vagina
just to rap it on. Karen. This is just a
quick one about famous Karen's name. That Karen. This model
Karen was in Dumb and Dumber and is also famous
for having lupus. Karen Duffy. You're not gonna know a
(19:13):
lot of these, but this.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Is lesbee and trivia. Would I need less trivia?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I almost I almost did that. Okay, we'll do a
bonus episode only on lesbian trivia. This psychoanalyst Karen in
the early nineteen hundreds is credited with founding feminist psychology
in response to Freud's theory of penis envy. Glorious Dinas
Karen Horny Horny, this dreamy interer exic song Tress was
also a super badass drummer.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Oh this I know Karen Carpenter Boom.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
This Karen once had a piece of poop thrown on
her face at a skating rink in San Antonio, Texas.
My mom, Okay, I want to hear more. How did
you locate Jackie and how did you get to her?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
A A lot of fucking work.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I bet it works. I'm gonna just you do it.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You are going to reap the benefits of the hard work.
So the time period is summer twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Not a good time period.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Cut to July twenty twenty. Okay. I had been doing
my podcast for a while and Jackie Warner was my
number one dream guest.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Naturally auto straddle.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I'm clicking on the website, I'm emailing through the form.
It's going absolutely nowhere.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
She was your number one guest. Just why?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Because I loved lesbian shit and Bravo. I majored in
the lesbian Internet and it was like that is like
Bravo Iconography or like those shows. She was my big
fish was Jackie Warner? Couldn't find her?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Cut too, I'm on Fire Island. Okay, shout out. I'm
in the pines. I'm talking to my friend about how
I need Jackie Warner.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
You're in the pines, not Cherry Grove I was in
the pines.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Wow, okay, I was like, I gotta try one more time,
and this time I called the number. There was a
number on her website and so I called it and
I texted it like maybe two weeks prior. And then
I was like talking about it. I look at my phone.
I'm walking on the boards and it's like, hey, this
is Jackie Warner. And I'm like, everything must stop right now.
(21:14):
I'm like, God has just like spoken to I was like,
oh my God, HI, Like, I would love to interview
you because this was this is the number that you
would text or call if you want to break a session.
But no, I got aul terror or motive. So we
set it up and we did the damn thing.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And this is over.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
She loves me.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
And so what did she tell you? Just to recap Right.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Before the pandemic, she coincidentally had decided to leave LA
and move home to Ohio.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Why did she move back to Ohio?
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Number one, I think she blew through all her money.
She's very reckless with money. I hope she's not listening
to this, but she says it in the podcast.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I listening to this. I love you. Jackie.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
She told me in the first interview that she would
like take a limo to the grocery store girl, And
I was like, why why would you do that? She's
like because I could. Like she said, she like made
and lost a million dollars like ten times over throughout
her life.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Isn't that just the way? That is the way, either
good saver or you're not. I'm working my way up
to being good saver. But I don't take a limit
at the grocery store. Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
So she was, So she lost a lot of money.
And then do you remember the inciting incident of the
dui rs.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I don't even know about the du rs. I'm literally trying.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
To do everything and cut right to this. This was
like twenty eleven, twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So what happened? She got a dui This is what happened.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So that hits the news and you don't really hear
much about. I mean, there was a whole thing, and
then the UI was in La yes, okay, And then
of course I was like, that was headline news in
my life.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Sure, and then auto Shuttle feature.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Years went by and you don't really hear about Jackie.
And then I find out that she's back in Ohio.
In our second interview, I think I finally got around
to like, so why do you wind up leaving La?
Like it's like, yeah, yeah, what circled around and she
was like, to be honest, she was like, I never
talk about this, but the d y arrest ruined my career.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
That'll do it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
She was taking Ambient to sleep and she drove in
an ambient blackout. She drove to seven eleven to like
get chips, and she was like inner, like panties and
like flip flops, like half naked, and I think she
like tried to like there was an altercation I think
with a police over mugshot TMZ, the whole thing and that,
(23:25):
like if you're a fitness and wellness expert, like she
was the go to person to be in a comment
in all the magazines like Get Healthy.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Oh Man, Ambient is such a such a bitch. I
used to take Ambient to go party.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Wouldn't it make you fall asleep?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah? But I have like I think the opposite reaction.
It just makes you high. If I was bored, I
would just like take an ambient and see what happens.
I was a pill popper. I would find pills on
the street and I don't know what the words take them,
So pill on the subway. Oh cool, thanks the universe
gave me a pill, Like I was crazy. Remember all
the times when people were taking ambient and tweeting like
Christian Scheno with yes.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Wasn't that what? Famously Brose blamed her tweet on Oh yeah,
she said she was altered.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I don't know, but that sounds about right anyway. Don't
do ambient and don't put it up your butt a
DOUI that is it's traumatic? Yeah, okay, that does it?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
So that is Ultimately.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Her mom lives at Karen from this episode lives in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
This is where she's Basically she has an incredible relationship
with her parents. Like now, like when you talk to her,
she's like, I'm growing over my parents for dinner. Like
she's like, she's like, I don't curse. She's like they're
Mormon and so like she lives very close to her
parents and like they have this beautiful relationship.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Mimi is still a spin instructor.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I don't know what Mimi's profession is.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Okay, that could be a.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Follow up project.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
She should work for Doge. You know, like I could
see Mimi coming into like the Ministry of Health or
the Department of Education being like, you know what, everything out.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I could see Mimi being an instructor at rumble Boxing.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yes, right, the freezing the eggs thing. Would you ever
let a girlfriend carry your baby?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
It's called reciprocal IVF.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Reciprocal IVF.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Now it's when somebody else's carrying when your partner can.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Sure, Okay, I mean I get the desire. I get why.
It's because it's like you're both having a baby.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I don't want any baby me either. This is what
I want.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
This is all I want.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Hello, should we clone her for fifty grand? You want
to go in and meet twenty twenty one weekn clone her?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, let's clone you. Let's see. There's not a whole
lot of interaction with the other cast members. I mean,
I know that Doug.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Who is your favorite?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Oh wait, what about Doug Passes? I know he was
my favorite. Though.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
I wanted to ask which of the trainers is most
intriguing to you?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Doug number one? Intriguing that I want to hook up
with him?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yes, we're just like storyline or like, who do you
think is funny.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I really love Brian Peeler.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Peeler, I do.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I love him.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Is Rebecca in season one?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yes, and I know that that you looked ahead. The
initial Google is like, oh, and then she dates Rebecca,
So I'm seeing this all happen well in like the
first episode.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Can I come back for that for that episode?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, I would like it. Yes, There's only six episodes
in season once, so I'll be in season two in
three weeks. Is Rebecca still around?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
She's still alive?
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Okay, good, thank god she's still around. I know.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Oh, Jesse was my favorite. I always to think he
was so cute.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
He is cute. Not my type. Doug's more my type,
and then Brian's my type. Next. I have a friend,
a good friend of mine who when I started doing
this show, he called and he was like, oh my god,
I have to tell you my workout story. He went
out on a date with Jesse. Jesse blew him and
while he was blowing him, a Bowflex commercial came on
and one of the other trainers from Workout was in
(26:30):
the commercial, so he felt like he was having a
three way with the trainers.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Okay, so I'm episode three, Season one workout. I have
a lot ahead of me, But what should I look
out for as I as I move forward?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You want to keep an eye on Rebecca?
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Do you want to keep an eye on Rebecca? I
think I remember loving season three. I think it just
gets better and better.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, Andy was an executive on this, and so I'm
gonna get him.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I believe Jackie hed I'm sure you're going to get
him on it.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, oh yes, So I think I want to do
maybe episode five Andy talking about the season or the series,
and then six. I want to get Jackie on here.
Do you think I can?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I think she's gettable. What if we take in this
epic trip?
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Let's go? Can we? But listen, I have rules, I
have demands.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Okay, what are the demands?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Demands are?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
What do we drive or fly? I think we're flying
to like a one hour flight?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
We're flying forty eight hours max.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I think we can keep it to twenty four.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, like I'm not. I'm getting in and getting the
fuck out, But I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Where are we staying.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Fucking super eight bitch? The Motel six a roadside close
to the airport. Getting out? What's city in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
What's the capital of Ohio, Des Moines.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I don't know, all right, I need to Ohio city.
I got Columbus, Cleveland, I don't know Chicago, that's Illinois.
I'll find out date Ohio.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
I've never been to. I've driven through.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
This is the funniest conversation two people.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
There's something.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Okay, we're gonna figure this out. Let us know in
the comments what you would like to see us do
with Jackie Warner in.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Honor of that was a production meeting.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
People want to know.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
No, no, no, don't cut a thing.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
No, do not cut a thing. I'm not cutting a
second of this. In honor of Jackie. You're gonna hate this.
In honor of Jackie freezing her eggs, I made a
little game called what's colder? A glass of water or water?
Found water, glass of water correct school cafeteria milk or
a bottle of water from a vetting machine?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
What's colder? Bottle of water from a vending machine.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Air outside on a fall morning, or air from.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
An air conditioner vent air conditioner.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yes, popsicle or ice cream cone?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Popsicles in the freezer? Can we just do lesbian trivia
next time? So make something up. I thought it would
be one question.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I thought it would be two on the nose.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
What's your favorite lesbian movie?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
The first thing that came to my mind just now
was Boys on the Side, but that's not Drew Barrymore.
Drew Barrymore and also Whoopi Goldberg as les Me. The
first line in that movie is go back to Pakistan.
She tells it to a cab driver. It's awful.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I can't believe you've never watched the L word. This
will be the greatest gift you could ever give yourself.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I love lesbian drama.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
This is like actual, like fucking strap off, like your
trap off. It's nuts.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Wow. Okay, I have a lot to think about Jess Rothschild.
You've given me a lot. I feel almost nervous. I
knew there was something here with workout, but I didn't
know it was a port major. Yeah. Well, if you
want to hear a lot about Jackie in the time
between before NAT, between now and when Jess and I
go to Ohio to meet her in person and shoot
(29:52):
an amazing interview with her, Listen to hot Takes and
deep Dives Jess Podcasts for what five interviews Jackie Wow
bye bye. Thank you for joining us. What do you
have any do you have any final thoughts on lesbians? Okay,
thank you so much. Thanks for playing the games. Next time,
I mean it should have been lesbian trivia bonus. Come
(30:14):
on to do a bonus and we'll do lesbian trivia.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I'll run circles around you.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I'm sure you will. Who's your favorite lesbian singer?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Favorite lesbian singer? It's not like Katie Lying and that shit.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Chapel Roone.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
No favorite lesbian sing I mean Chapman. I gotta say
Melissa etherchs Bangers.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, I just saw her in concert.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
What's your favorite?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So well? I sang come to My Window from my
six Flags audition and.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
You talk about in your show. Okay, pick another song,
bring Me Some Water amazing. That's an amazing song as.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
A version of bring Me Some Water with Sophie B.
Hawkins from BH one Live Storytellers.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You know Sophie B. Hawkins dated Rosie O'donnald Did you
know that? Did you know that?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I didn't know that. But Sophie Hawkins put a fertilized
embryo in her at fifty and I think everything went fine,
but I was thinking about that during Jackie's.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Something I want you to freeze in the eggs, something
I want you to think about. Do you think like
Jackie had a baby. Do you think she did freeze
or eggs? Do you think like what happened Jackie's fertility journey?
Just something to think about.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I haven't thought about it. Wait, this whole episode was
about it. I know. I kind of want to say
she did nothing with those eggs and they were never
made into kids, because I think we know. I think
I wouldn't even Oh shit, she has kids, where's her kids?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
She doesn't. But it's a whole it's an interesting Yeah,
it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I couldn't really see it didn't really seem in the
universe was pointing me the direction of like these are
going to become individual entities that we will know and love.
But again, I'm like you, when I'm seeing these journeys
of having kids, I'm like, that's your fucking funeral. I
don't want to. I don't want to be a part
of any child's journey. Okay, follow Jess.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Just X and y see it's all happening.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Okay, Roschat will see you very soon. Thank you for
joining me show Pony is created and produced by me,
John Hill, and supported by you members of the Patreon. Like, comment, subscribe,
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(32:21):
Show Pony Pumped our companion after show fitness podcast until
next week. I'm John Hill. This is Show Pony. What's up?
Are you a big fan of Jackie Warner? Where were
you in two thousand and six? What are your thoughts
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