Ep. 4: Culture and Culture Vulture

"Culture and Culture Vulture" is where Black, Brown, White and everything in between gets unpacked, celebrated, and challenged — because everyone’s an expert on culture until it’s time to respect it. Aster and SeVen break down the concept of culture, mentioning its highs and lows, who’s creating, who’s copying, and who’s cashing in (spoiler: it’s not them). They also question why people of certain cultures receive more backlash or are judged for wearing attire or hairstyles not typically part of other cultures. Race, identity, trends, theft — all the things people pretend not to notice. This episode is unfiltered and unbothered.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello and welcome to the Sofa Talk podcast. I'm your
co host.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Astor and I'm your co host seven.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Let's talk it out and lounge it up. We appreciate
you listening. This is episode four. In the title of
today's episode is culture and culture Vulture. Today we're going
to talk about two ideas that are swirling around in
cultural conversations this month, culture itself and the concept of

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the culture vulture. Now why are we talking about this
right now, especially with independence today this month. Well, it's
all tied to the larger ideas of freedom, identity and
who gets to define culture and how stick around because
we're sitting deep into how these concepts connect. Welcome back.

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station is Freaker. So we're talking about culture and culture vulture.
So I'm gonna start off what we usually do, a
Q and A. I am going to act seven. When
he thinks of the word culture. What does culture.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Mean to you? Seven? Culture?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
What culture means to me is, I think it's more
of like a group of people that have created something
that belongs to those groups of people, and it becomes
a thing of its own and often celebrated. It's always
seen and it's always heard. Culture also has an influence

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on others, which makes people see and hear about it
and making other people want to join. Culture goes back
from the beginning of time to like the older days.
It has value, it has experience. It also is a
social behavior too. It's talked about like in action that's

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not done. It has become a habit for individuals in groups. Cookouts,
barbecues are like some examples of black people do. Everyone
has their own culture. It's a thing that carries on
and it becomes a lifestyle. That's what I pretty much
think about. You know when if somebody when you ask

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me what culture means me, that's pretty much what I think.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Would you define it? Okay, So what about this whole thing,
this culture vulture? When what you think about culture vulture?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
So yeah, don't get a little crazy culture vulture. I
think I think personally culture vulture is there's a culture
and it's and it's it's like take your time.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I'm trying to think, take your time, you'll be patient.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I think culture vulture means just like, uh, somebody that's
not part of a part of a culture, and they're
kind of like biting somebody else's culture, copying, uh, copying
their culture, making it their own as if they invented it.
But what I will what I will say is is

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that I also believe if you're going to be part
of the culture, I feel you always should represent it
when it's appropriate or at appropriate.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Times, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Like I don't want people to, like, say, for my culture,
for instance, I don't want people just to do it
for a benefit of something or you know, or to
fit in or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
I would want people to like the culture that's their thing.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
They want to celebrate it, they want to enjoy it
and brace it or whatever represent it, but not just
when it's like beneficial or to make fun or mockery
of it or something like that. So like that's kind
of like my whole view on like culture vulture. It's
like you know, people biting, biting somebody else's culture and

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kind of like kind of making it their own and
then also kind of making a mockery of it also too.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Can you tell people what is your culture background? Because
remember we're not you can't see us. What culture you
come from?

Speaker 2 (04:58):
What are you? I'm from the black culture.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
My culture surround uh music, love, fashion, food, art that
comes from my people, our backgrounds. We kind of you know,
no offense to any other cultures, but I kind of
feel like we kind of are transsetters.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
I feel like we said our own trends. A lot
of people like it, a lot of people don't. But
I feel like we kind of like start a lot
of things and people kind of jump on it and
kind of like make it of their own or they
kind of just embrace it.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
It becomes it becomes a part of them. Yep mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Absolutely, So astor.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
What is your definition of culture? What does culture mean
to you? Excuse me? What does culture mean to you?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Okay? When I think of culture, I think of it
as a group of people born into it or brought
up into it. It's a sense of belonging with practices
and viewpoints that are very similar. It is also a
way people can embrace their identity and roots, knowing where
they come from and where they're going. It promotes a

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sense of pride to be identified as part of that culture.
Culture also embodies a sense of richness, And when I
talk about richness, I'm not speaking about money or wealth.
I'm speaking on good quality and being fulfilled. That's what
I define the sense of richness as.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Okay, what about culture vulture?

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Okay, culture vulture it's pretty much sums up what you said.
I'm gonna add on a little bit sid with a
little twist. I feel a culture vulture is people who
are typically not a part of that cultural upbringing or group,
but use it when it benefits them without really having
a clue you know what's going on behind that.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Culture right exactly?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
You see what I'm saying. Sometimes it deals with being
a social lighte and who are the socialites y'all those
social media influencers, those celebrities out there, those advertisers, those sponsors.
You know. It deals with that people have that nightlife,
that club and atmosphere, you know, social media following things

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like that. So the social lights I think are part
of that. They're taking away from that culture they are
not a part of, and copying certain things that interest them.
That can benefit them, Okay at the end of it.
So that's what my definition of culture. Culture is got you.
So you know us, we're here to educate, cite our sources.

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So we're going to do a little read in time,
all right, now, so let's see what culture is. So
this information was provided by Merriam Webster's Dictionary Online and culture.
We're not going to read all of it. We're gonna
just read like the first part of it. So culture

(08:11):
one A the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits
of a racial, religious, or social group. Also the characteristic
features of everyday existence, such as diversions or a way
of life shared by people in a place or time.
B the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices

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that characterizes an institution or organization. C The set of values, conventions,
or social practices associated with a particular field, activity, or
societal characteristic. D The integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief,

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and behavior that depends upon the capacity for learning and
transmitting knowledge to succeeding generations. So I'm going to stop
it there. So that's what pretty much is defined as culture. Again,
according to Merriam Webster's Dictionary Online. Now you know, we
got to define culture vulture. And you know Merriam Webster's

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dictionary is not going to have the culture vulture in it.
So guess where we got this information from? Good old
Urban Dictionary. You know they're going to define it for us. So,
a culture vulture, according to Urban Dictionary, a person or

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organization making profit using unhonorable practices from a culture they
do not care. For example of music, major record labels
signing the latest Bible rapper exploiting them for the max
returns even if they're ne as it sucks. Example in
TV shows movies creating and popularizing a gay character in

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the pursuit of the LGBT communities cash example, and video
games selling DLC for the same price of a full game,
selling micro transactions items that should be in a game
for free to start with, and selling to pay pay
to win items that will give players a huge advantage

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over other gamers in a competitive environment. These people do
not understand hip hop culture. They just want to make
a profit from it. Bunch of corporate culture vultures. And
this looks like it's by Esco Boy, August six, twenty eighteen.
Then there's another definition that I thought was pretty interesting.

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Excuse me all. A culture vulture is a practitioner of
cultural appropriation. A culture vulture is an inauthentic individual who
attempts to identify with aspects of another culture and claimant
as their own. They do this by mimicking aspects of

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culture that belong to another group of people and not
giving credit where credit is due, which creates the illusion
that the aspect of culture they are mimicking is authentic
to them. They also do this by claiming that certain
aspects of another group of people's culture originated with them,

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with no historical proof to back their claims. Quote, if
you were so proud of being white, you take more
pride in white culture versus being a culture vulture and
attempting to assume the cultural identity of others through mimicking,
through mimicking, I'm sorry, through mimicking them, and citing your

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signature on other people's work. Was by New Age Definitions,
November twentieth, twenty sixteen. So those are just a few
examples of cultural grocure, and it pretty much related to
what seven and I both had mentioned. Yeah, so just
an idea of that. So it looks like here, I

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want to make a comment in reference to this, and
it's not too like bash racial bash anybody here. Our
viewers are people from different backgrounds this podcast here. As
we mentioned in the debut of Sofa Talk with our introduction,
we want to educate people so that people could have

(12:43):
a way of thinking outside the box and see things
from a different lens. So just keep that in mind.
You may know somebody who is of a different racial
background than you or ethnicity. You know, you may have
a friend, family member, co worker, associate, a partner you
know that is of a different racial background or ethnicity

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than you. So just keep this in mind when you
hear these topics. If you're not, you know, part of
this racial makeup. So this July, in honor of Independence
Day is the perfect time to discuss culture and culture.
Culture we can reflect on who we are as a
nation and the values that shape our identity based on freedom, liberty,

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and independence. Remember that. So we're going to start off
with some open discussions, y'all keep up with us. These
topics are going to be based on culture and culture vulture,
which is our main topic. They may be all over
the place, but remember it's based on culture and culture vulture.
All things tied to it. So here's something too. This

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is personal. If you didn't know, if you can't tell
I am an African American woman or a black woman,
and I have to jokingly say that it is because
all my life I've been told by people of my culture,
the black community, that I talk white or I act white,

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which I think I'm proper I speak proper English. I've
been told that, and it was from people in my community.
So y'all not exempt either with this culture stuff. Y'all,
y'all you know, y'all attack me based on my voice.
So that's why I had to tell y'all, I am
a black woman. Don't leave the station, like I said,
keep on listening to us, get educated and learn something new.

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So they would talk about me acting white, talking white,
you know, and that was you know, it makes you
kind of like, oh my gosh, it kind of makes
you feel some kind of way. At that time, I
was younger, but as an adult, I embrace it. Now
I embrace it. It's got it's got me foreign life. Obviously,
I've been told I have a nice voice. I can

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speak to people with different racial backgrounds, you know, So
that's a good thing. It carries me a long way. So,
like I said before, you know, it does when you
hear that comment, it makes you feel some kind of way.
I'm not sure if any other black people out there,
have you all went through that. There's a couple of
people too, I'm sure that went through whether you're a
male or a female, where you were told you act white,

(15:20):
you talk white. You know, they try to make you
feel different and things like that. And it could be
from people from who our community, our culture bashing us
like that. So I do want to mention that I
remember back in high school, I'm going back in time here,
there was a white boy that we would hang out
with and I had a crush on him too, very

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cute white boy. He was down with our culture. He
was like usually he was usually white, the only white
boy in our circle. And then he had another friend
who was white too. He called himself white chocolate, like
white chocolate. I had a crush on him too, y'all,
don't judge me. He will call himself white chocolate. And
you know, but like I said, the white boy, he
would wear corn rows, you know, listen to our music,

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be down with us, and he'd just fit in. You know,
you know, we didn't see brace you know, culture or anything
like that. He fitted in with us. We had a
good time just even thinking about the memories back then.
I'm smiling very hard, you know with that. So but
when he was doing the corn rows and hanging out
with us, listening to, you know, our music, we need
to say, oh, he's trying to be black quote unquote

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trying to be black or you know, trying to go
against his culture. He belonged, you know what I'm saying.
I felt like he belonged. So that's pretty interesting. And
then I had a best friend back in high school,
one of my best friends. She was she was a
white girl. They thought she was biracial. She had tan skin, nice,

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pretty curly hair, hazel colored eyes. But with her, she
also she could do corn rows. She would cornrow my
hair and she would cornbro the guys that'd be hung out.
She would corn row there here too. And they was like,
you know, talking to her like you've been in with us,
you know what. We never segregated her anything like her
like that. She was always a part of us and
we didn't see race also with her, she was always

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a part of us. We have we had good times. Man,
we had good times. I also wanted to mention that,
speaking of what I mentioned about how the black community
attacked me based on how I speak. Back in high school,
I wore clothes that were considered quote unquote preppy. I
had a fashion style that was similar to Stacy Dash
from the movie Clueless. So like a lot of bright colors,

(17:29):
pink and bubbly looking, bubblegum looking. I also wore color
contacts so it matched my clothes. So like if I
had blue outfed on our blue contacts, green would wear
green contacts. But I mean, like, let me make this clear,
I never want to be white. That was a fashion statement.
That was my choice of how I want to look
and you know, express myself, and I'm entitled to that. Also,

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I had to put that in there, so, you know,
just to keep that fair. There was also a girl,
a classmate of ours, that she was white and she
would wear the dreadlocks. I thought it was cute. I
never heard people talk about her though about her wearing
those dreadlocks. You can consider her like a millennial hippie.

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And I've been seeing that trend lately, even recently. I
went to the store last week, and I saw a couple.
They were white, and they had those those dreadlocks in
their hair too. So I mean, where it, that's your style,
that's what you feel like.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Where it.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
It does look cool, it does look meat. I don't
see anything wrong. We'll be discussing that further on in
the show as we go on. But I did see that,
and notice that. Let's see, when I had a client
a few months ago, she was talking about growing up
in New York and how she missed New York and
how it was their culture. You know, she was like

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the teacher they had during her high school year, he
was so cool. Shit, he was white, but she said, man,
and there was white students also. She was like, you
just don't understand. That's our culture, that's our people, New York.
We had a good time. So that's there, you know,
how the way they had their accents and what they
participated and their beliefs and everything like that. Speaking of
her culture, I could tell when she spoke about it,

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her eyes lightened, her voice filled with enthusiasm, with her
speaking highly of New York and the people also with
different racial backgrounds, you know, just in that culture, their
New York culture, she's like, we have fun and she
missed it. She said she missed it. I thought that
was interesting.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
You know.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I kind of I had my fair share with different
cultures also too, and I have I have mixed, crowded friends.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I'm in it.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Well, for one, I'm in a biracial relationship, and then
I've had black friends, white friends, you know, different, you know,
other races of friends and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
And what I will say is is.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
When I've gotten around their their people, their cultures or whatever,
how they were raised and all that, because some of
them they're like, you know, we have to do this
when we come their house, Like some people you have
to take your shoes off, or sit a certain way
at the table, you have to eat your food first,
maybe before you drink, but you know, just a little
simple stuff like that. But I actually enjoyed it. I've

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enjoyed kind of just being able to be outside of
my normal and kind of see how other people and
how their families and what their cultures bring, how they
celebrate things, how they do things.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I kind of always enjoyed that I had a buddy that.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I think it was Ganeseese or something like that, and
when we go like when a group of us will
go out, like the Fellas and all that, we would
they would drink guinness.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
And I hated it.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
And he had told me one time, he had pulled
me to the side and he was like, man, you
have to drink it. You have to drink it, because
if you don't drink it, it's a sign of disrespect.
Why sign of disrespect. And if they pass you.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
You know what I'm talking about, guys, you know you.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Can you cannot turn that down.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
And I actually wasn't doing that at that time, so
I you know, I had to fake puff, you know,
had to take a fake puff and pass or whatever.
But you know, he explained that to me, like, you know,
just the culture solf to turn it down, it's like
a sign of disrespect. So I learned that, and just
you know, even my white friends and stuff like that,
and we've just always had time when we would go

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go over to their homes or be around their families
or birthday parties, events, cookouts or whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
It was just a good vibe.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
And when they would come to mind or be around
my people and stuff like, it was just a good time.
They picked jumped right in and enjoy, you know, our culture,
what we do, the music we eat, I mean, the
music we listen to, the who we eat, you know,
how we dance, how we party, and then the same
with them or whatever. So I haven't really had any
bad issues or had any bad experiences with like culture

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or being a culture or dealing with culture.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Vultures in my everyday life. No, I haven't. I see
more of it on like.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
TV or social media, social media and stuff like that,
especially with the celebrities and all of that. I see
a lot more of that dated outside my race. I
kind of done that for a long time, on and
off or whatever. There is a different there's a difference

(22:35):
cultural culture difference definitely when it's it's your friend, and
then it's when it or if it's your boyfriend or girlfriend. Yes,
I will say that it is totally totally different, you know,
and there's certain things or whatever. But it wasn't nothing
that couldn't handle. But I just looked at it like, oh, okay,
so I see you know, this is how y'all do,

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and then you know it's vice versa or whatever. But
I'm type of person I like to meet people in
the middle, so I can adapt if you can adapt
to me, I can adapt to you.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
And you could compromise you.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
I could compromise. Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
I want to add on to him because you know
the dating outside the race thing. You know, I've been
attracted to white you know, white ways back in the past.
You know, I'm single right now, and if I had
to date outside my race, whether it be white person,
a Spanish person, an Asian person, anybody outside of the
black race, I thought about that because cultural differences do

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play a big This is my opinion, y'all. It does
play a big part in relationships. It can either make
it or break it. Now, I'm not going to criticize
it negatively because also too, when you deal with people
from a different culture, as seven have mentioned, you're learning,
it's a learning experience. But then sometimes people are set

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in their ways, whether it's the Black culture, the white culture,
the Asian culture, the Spanish culture, you know, any other culture.
They're set in their ways, and you have to adapt.
When you're dating somebody, especially married, you're married into the family,
you have to marry into the culture. I remember back
in the day, my best friend was married and I

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spoke to his wife's mother. Listen to what she told me, y'all.
She told me, if you were to ever date, and
this is no offense to anybody, but this is through experience,
what she knows up or heard of or been around.
She said, if you were to ever date an African person,

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you might as well date outside your race. And I
was like, what you know? It was taken aback by that.
She said, date outside your race. She said, because again
with culture, we may be the same color, we may
be the same you know, black or whatever, same racial
background or makeup. But she said their culture is different

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from how Americans operate. So you see what she was saying.
So it doesn't even matter based on your race or
your racial background, she said, skin color pretty much. Their
viewpoints are different. She said, you will have a hard time,
is what she told me. She said, you might as
well date outside your race and stay away from that.
So I was like, Okay, that don't mean I'm gonna

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listen to I could marry African man?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
You don't you known?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Saying you don't know? But she she like warned me,
and she had passion in her eyes when she told
me this. She was serious, said no joking, she was serious.
It must have been when her daughter went through because
her daughter was dating an African man and had a
baby by him, and I don't know what happened. I
get too deep into it, but you know what I'm
saying that you know that ain't my business, but obviously
there was something that went on that she wasn't happy

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about and that she felt that I need to know,
stay away from it. But like I said, I can
do what I want to do. I can tell you
I want to date. But you know what I'm saying,
And I know African people and they're they're cool people.
I love the culture. So yeah, so I just ended
on that newe. I'm in that part right there.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I personally believe like you don't have to agree with everything,
but it's all about respect at the end of the day.
I personally feel loans, you respect people. That's all matters.
You know, whoever you like, whoever you love, whoever you're
in a relationship with, that's between YouTube, you know what
I'm saying, And then you you guys can if y'all
got a strong union like that, and y'all can work

(26:20):
out all the other kings. But it's not about everybody
else and what they think or how they were raised
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's about y'all too, or that exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
It may not be exactly exactly, just because somebody else
had a bad experience or they just don't agree on
those type of situations or whatever. That's what my That
may not work out for them. That doesn't mean it's
not going to work out for you. But at the
end of the day, it's all about respect and that
couple bones.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
They have their love and they're and it's strong, and
they accept one another.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
They can work through all you know, the culture stuff
and backgrounds and all that.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I personally believe that and I.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Feel so too. It's all about compromising and relationships.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
You got to make it agreement to meet each other.
And yeah, you got to meet each other right in
the middle.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
You know what I'm saying. Either way culture or not,
you know, same culture, different, you know, you got to
meet each other in the middle pretty much. Excuse me, all,
I don't know what's going on. Excuse me, it's burping
Funky dan Eva. I don't know too much about Funky
dan Eva, but I know I came across the video
this was really interesting, and I said, I want to
share this with the podcast. When we discuss this culture

(27:30):
and culture vulture topic, Funcky Dniva mentioned that he feels
that gay men feel like women are taking their words
for the gay culture. I said, wow, interesting, So then
we have that culture. See, culture comes in so many forms, uh,
different varieties and things like that. So with the gay culture,

(27:50):
they feel that they created these these words and these lingos,
but now women are trying to take what they're what
they're doing. Is that cultural appropriation? I mean, I don't know,
but the culture, you.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Know, they can be culture vulture taking as theirs or
something like that. I saw something recently and it's one
of those celebrities or what do you call the public figures,
you know, because they either they're on podcasts or been
on TV shows, they got a platform.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
But they were saying something in the likes.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Of where it was something about the LBGTQ community and
straight people and they were.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Saying something about that.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
The lgbt Q plus community don't support any other culture,
any other community. And then the person was saying, when
it comes to their culture or their community being supported,
they're not getting it by their peers. They're not getting it,
I mean not their peers. Excuse me, but they're not
getting it by the other cultures, like the in the

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other groups of people that they have supported. They use example,
I think it was when Breonna Taylor was murdered and
I think George Floyd and they had said something. I
forgot who the person was, Guys, I'm sorry, but the
person has said something of the likes of it didn't
matter if you were black or you were white, if

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you were gay, or if you were straight, we all
was there supporting that situation. He was also the person
was also kind of taking it directing it towards the
black community because those were two situations that happened within
the black community that really struck us because a lot
of you know, racial.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Things have been going on in the world.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yes, and so what the person was saying was we
all rallied up together when those situations had came up,
and it didn't matter if you were gay or straight,
we were all there supporting the situation. But she the
person has said, if if a transgender is murdered or
a gay person is murdered, or something bad happens to

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any of those people that part of that community, they're.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Not getting the same support.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Wow with their culture.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
For their culture, but they said we accept everybody.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
People want to.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Come into our or said they want to come to
our clubs or our our whatever type of things that
we're having. We're always welcome, welcoming. We're always welcoming. And
like we said on the one.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Episode NAVI, you haven't listened to it, go listen to it.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Yeah, when we were talking about Pride Month and we
were saying, we've been places where people knew that we
were heterosexuals, we were straight people, and they were like,
come on, you know, ask but they as far as
they're concerned, we were neither a couple or friends, but
they were like, come come, you know, enjoy us, party with.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Us or whatever. It wasn't like, oh y'all don't belong here,
you know what I mean, or you know, none of
that type of stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
So when I had saw that that video clip, it
just made me think, you know, the person was saying,
is like, is it a thing of being called out
or being scared of what other people want to think?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
If you're out there supporting.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Or you know, supporting the rights of you know, of
the lbgt Q plus community or whatever, you know, what
what is it? Because now you see. There is a lot,
especially with the celebrities. I can't say with the every
day people, I don't know too much, but I will
say what we like see on social media. A lot
of them have a huge following from the lbgt Q

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plus community, and they all support it. I don't know
if it's because of money. I don't really know if
it's pure or not whatever, but they are showing support.
You know, people come to the shows. I remember a
couple of years back, the R and B singer Tank,
he had performed at a Pride event, you know, people
trying to call him out about it, but He's like, listen,

(31:54):
they listen to my music, they like my music.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
I'm going to perform for you. So it's about everybody,
you know.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
And so when I just saw that, it just kind
of made me feel some type of way because I
just feel like, you know, we as a people, we
got to support one another regardless what's your sexual preferences.
I think that's so stupid, And like I've said before,
I'm I'm down and cool with everybody. I don't care white, black, purple, green, gay, straight,
whatever you are, lesbian, any whatever. I don't care about

(32:27):
none of that. I feel like all of us and
people should be celebrated, have a good time, live your life,
live true, your true authentic self.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yep, and just keep it pushing man. That's that's what
I think of all that.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
So it kind of kind of goes back to the
culture thing too, and you know the lbgt the lbgt
Q plus community feeling that their culture is not being supported,
but they have supported other cultures and all that stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
So that kind of just a little bit tied into that.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
I will say, Funky Don Diva is if you guys
don't know who he is, he has a podcast, He's
been on a couple of reality TV shows, co hosts
a couple of podcasts.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I think he was on t G I F he
was or a.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Brief period with Claudia or Jordan's and our Reynolds and
they did pretty good with that or whatever. And you
know he's an advocate also too. Yeah, and he's been
on a couple of shows and stuff like that. Has
a platform.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
So if you guys were wondering, he did.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
And I've seen several celebrities have made, you know, similar
comments like that.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Especially the male the black gay males have feeled that.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
A lot of females are now are taking their lingo
and all of that, and they they're feeling some type
of way about it because they saying a lot of
those words or maybe gestures or whatever had came from them. Whatever,
So you know, give credit words, do whatever. I agree
it is here, whatever you know, it is.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
What it is.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
But I've seen a few of them, especially on social media,
say like, no, like I think it's this new thing
called clockett and you do this little thing with your fingers,
fingers with the fingers and all that, and they're saying,
like all the girls and my daughter even does it
clockett daddy, and you know all that stuff like that.
I've seen the celebrities say like, do y'all even know

(34:24):
where that came from? Like that that's part of you know,
the community or whatever. But anybody else that doesn't really
know too much about the community, don't think. You know, girls,
some young girls, some ig models or TikTokers came up
with clockett or the little hand gester, and from what
I've seen.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Is definitely came from the lbgt Q plus community.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Huh, that's an interesting topic. I'm glad we brought that
up because you know, we we tend to ignore gay
culture anything. Yeah, so I'm glad you did mention that, yep,
to educate us. I know two seven have mentioned to
me about white creators and also gay black men speaking

(35:05):
of this the culture with the gay culture, they're making
black women look bad, portraying us negatively.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
And this is just this is just my personal view, guys.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
And my thing is is that, you know, everything's about
entertainment and money these days.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
You know, I totally understand, you know, completely understand that.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
But I think it's gotten to a point where and yeah,
you know, some content creators or even comedians or whatever,
because you know, we have white chicks and the Wayne's
brothers dressed up as white women and all that.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
It was funny. It's still a classic movie still today
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
But now it's becoming more common where we're also seeing
a lot of white, gay male content creators and they're
doing funny skits. A lot of it is hilarious, y'all.
The Ship is funny. I want to I'm on most
mostly all the platforms, so I follow a lot of
the Ship and it's hilarious. It gets you through the
work day or even when you feel some type of

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way you click on it, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Whatever, whatever.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
But I also kind of feel like it's starting to
make a mockery of the black because a lot of
the things that they are acting out and doing that
is that that we are laughing at is the everyday
black woman's life, part of their you know, daily struggles,
some of the stuff they you know, and not everybody

(36:31):
represents themselves the best way they should. And you know,
this goes every every extent. We all people have to involve,
we all got certain things to work on, work on.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
But when I I've recently, I.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Just been feeling like certain things have been made of
a mocker, been made of a mockery.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
And it's kind of like when.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
You see these people, it's like, Okay, I would kind
of understand if they dated outside their raised so they're
kind of more into the cultural day. But some of
these people never even dated a black person before, or
maybe a Latina or Asian or a Hispanic or something
like that. And then you'll look on their profiles and

(37:11):
these are like the all white American dream family, and
so it's kind of like, how did you learn about this?
Like how was like, how did.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
You you know, how did you get comfortable.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
It's like if you were kind of raised in you know,
white America and you know, brought up a certain way
and all that, and now you're on social.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Media making a healty dollar.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Cure black culture or women that are struggling in the hood.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
You know, There's this.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
One guy that I followed on tiktik and he acts
like a ghetto server and he comes off as a
black woman from the hood that has long nails, has
a bonding and it's him and his daughter making a
mocker and the daughter pulls up in their little drive
through and like, you know, talking ghetto lingo and the

(38:06):
fingernails and all that stuff like that, and yeah, it's funny,
but then once again it's kind of like, yeah, it's entertaining,
but it's also.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Like, y'all making fun of some of how these people are.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
And yes, I know some people don't conduct themselves the
best way, but some people that's all they know because
once again, y'all, that's their culture, that was how they
brought up, that's what they know, or that's wherever area
they're from, that's how they talk or.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Carry theirselves that way. So to see somebody that's not really,
that's not part of your culture or your ethnicity. It'll
make you.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Kind of be like, well, damn, you know, are y'all
making fun of us or or y'all y'all just like
the culture or whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
It's kind of like a big question mark with that.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Can I add on to that? I'm going to add
on to that. That was good because a lot of
times people might blame us, our culture, our race for
putting ourselves out there. Absolutely, so then that's giving people,
what they usually say, everybody a reason for them to
judge you and talk about you and make a joke
out of you.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
And that's funny you say that because I remember years
ago the comedian Monique has said, Monique to the black women,
stop coming out and Bonnie, y'all night pants and slippers,
even if you pick the kids at the store, even
if you run it into you know, I'm picking kids

(39:34):
up from school or running into the market or just
running the areas, you know, because people see that and
they think something of that. And she was pretty much saying, how,
you know, the black women are queens. So she's a
black woman her throat absolutely so she feels she carries
herself a certain way as a black woman, and she
wants the other black women to carry themselves and be
represented and look accordingly, you know, a certain way. And

(39:57):
so that kind of like made sense. And now you
see a lot of it, especially content creators, even some
of the black male the black gay males. You know,
they they're making, you know, they're making from the black
But I feel like it's more they black gay males
might get more of a past because once again, we

(40:20):
come from a black woman.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
We know, what do you call that? That's a always
good stuff with it. What's it called?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
It's on or something like that.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, it's you know, it's like, damn if you do,
you don't those type of things.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
But I've just kind of noticed that recently that is
becoming more of a you know, a thing. It's like, yes,
entertain it's funny, we like it and all, but you know,
are people getting offended? We are recently?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, yeah, recently. You know, with my nerves, I am.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Sing people making the mobbery of the Nissangan Ultima and
that the Nie Altima is the hood car. The ghetto
black girl drives the hood Ultima, and most of the
Nissan Altima's are beat up, banged up, got bad transmissions.
They even were doing skits where uh, black women were

(41:15):
coming into dealerships getting Nissigned Altimas with thirty percent interest
rates in using their EVT car.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
They're looking at us.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
And I personally was offended because I said, not everybody
that has a Nissign Ultima has a thirty percent interest rate, exactly.
Not everybody that has a Nissan Ultima comes to the
dealership in a bonnet or sweatpants.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
That not every Nissigned Ultima owner is black, okay or
from the hood.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Okay, thank you, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
So I was just like, it's a bunch of you guys,
if y'all want to see them, and it's the AI stuff,
and yeah, some of it's funny, and like the first
couple of videos I saw this ship is funny because
if you do see a Nissigan Ultima, they are some most.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Of and they're newer ones. They're beat up. You're like,
what the hell happen? But I just don't think that
that's fair to kind of put that on black or
black females.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
That that's only the high end card that they can get,
or if they're or if those of lower income or
those of lower income that or they're not smart enough
so they're signing car deals with thirty or they're going
in there trying to use food stamps to purchase a vehicle.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Or ignorant.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
It's ignorant. But my thing is what black woman is
going to be accepting of doing that role play, doing
that role play. I'm just keeping it real. The lady
who's doing that role play of this Nissan Ultimate addressed
in that attire, Why is she doing that if it's
making a well, it's.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Not an act.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
These are ais like those are those are as?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yo?

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Are different people that are okay, yeah, it's different characters
Black people that they're having looks like ses the salesman's
are white.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Come on, people, all of us, we have to both races.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
We gotta do better. We have to do better. We
have to do better. Uh. Speaking of culture, let's go
with this now. Ah. Beyonce faced a lot of heat
when she did The Cowboy Carter. She was considered not
a country artist, even though that album genre was considered

(43:27):
to be country, So she received a lot of a
lot of negative press from that. I'm not gonna say
too much on that I kind of have opinions with that.
I'm gonna kind of keep them to myself a little bit.
I don't want to fend the Bee Hive or of
anything like that.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I definitely say this, I love music. I love cultures.
Y'all heard that.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
I said, I love cultures, all different cultures. The whole
Beyonce thing, I think it was blown out of proportion.
I think it's blown out proportion because she is a megastar.
She is up there one of our best performers, you know,
hands down, she's one of our best performers, and we
have to give that to her. And the thing about
it is what people don't understand. Beyonce is not going

(44:13):
in saying that she's a country music artist. She started
from pretty much R and B pop and that's always
been her thing.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
But now she's just kind of jumping into the country lane.
But that doesn't make her a country artist. And I
think that's what people fail to realize. She's still Beyonce.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
She's still and a lot of the country songs that
were on the Cowboy Carter album they were you can
hear a little bit of the country in it, definitely
with the sounds and all that and the beats and
all that, But those were a lot of black lyrics,
R and B lyrics. Personally, that's what I got from it.

(44:52):
I wouldn't say that she was trying to be something
that she's not.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
No, and I'm gonna also say this too, I'm sorry
if I ruffle feathers here. When the country artists or
that culture was talking about that, I don't think what
they said was racist. And I said what I said
it was not racist. Well, the stereotype of herd was
not racist because there was other black country artists that

(45:17):
were they felt authentic with their music being a country artists.
They celebrated and supported those people.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Well, if if anything is because we are living in
a sensitive time with racism and all of that, and
I think when those type of comments are being made
like that, people are going to take offense to it.
But think about this when other races, we're gonna say white,

(45:44):
Hispanic age and whatever, what Indian, all of the other
raceists when they come in to more of the urban
or black culture say, for instance, we could use music
for instance, or whatever we're celebrating, we celebrate them, We
buy their music, we go to their concerts, we go
to their shows.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
We're not saying that they're trying to be us. We
I've never heard any.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Black person say, I'll use Justin Timberlake because the black
people love them. And he's come from he came from
a pop band, a boy pop pop band, bubble dumb
band and sync.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I never heard and this is this, this is my opinion.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
I never heard one black person say, oh, he's trying
to be down or he's trying to be black.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
I've heard, I've heard culture.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I've heard just culture. I have.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I have, I've heard some.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I haven't that I haven't. His music is good, he
does good music.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
It's catchy, it's R and B, it's a little pop,
it's a little bit of everything. But I I just
I personally know from my experience or my views, when
other when other races or cultures have tapped into our scene,
our genres, our genres, there you go, I felt like
it was celebrated and accepted.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
That is true. So I do think that the black
culture does accept people who are opposite race that follow
within our genre. We're usually more accepting them. Yeah, they
go to the BT Awards, Remember they go to our
awards and hip hop Awards. We don't shun them out.
They're having a good time in the audience. We all
dance and singing things like that. They're having a good time.

(47:21):
But let me make this comment because we made a
post on our social media channels last year and it
was saying how music is not based on a particular race.
Let's let that sink in right, sync that in it
is not based on a particular race. We all can
embrace whatever we want to listen to exactly, you know
what I'm saying, and listen to what we want to

(47:41):
listen to, no matter what our racial background is or
who we are, we can listen to it. I had
to add that on there.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I agree. I agree.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
That's like people saying, well, I'm not going to go
see that movie because most of the actors.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Are white in it, you know, something like that.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
How many black women or different race women besides white
women love Brian Pitt or Tom.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Cruise and all that. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (48:03):
How many white women or white men or other races
besides the black have sat in the audience of Oprah
Winfrey show.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
So it's like people got to stop that. People got
to stop that. Celebrate the culture, celebrate, joy them, respect them,
and and that's how I just that's just personally how
I look at it.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
That's how I look at it personally.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
But I'm not I'm just saying, speaking for myself being
a black, a black male, I'm open to different cultures
and races, and I don't have a problem with anybody
that wants to tap into my culture or my race background,
or my heritage or anything like that. I have no
problem with that, Longs as it is. Like I said earlier,

(48:46):
when me you was having a private discussion, I said, Longs,
it's appropriate. And you know people are not trying to
do it for like come ups or out or making a.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Mockery or getting money.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Like, that's that's my
only issue. But other than that, if.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
You love it, if you like it, I love it.
And that's just that's just how I'm I'm with it.
I like for everybody to be celebrated, every race, every sex, whatever,
everybody should be celebrated. And your culture is your culture,
and everybody should respect And if you want to take in,
you know, other people's cultures, why not just be respectful

(49:23):
and do it for the right reasons.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
That's my only thing.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
And don't claim it as your owner because the culture
no matter what culture you're from. Uh, that's a question.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Well yeah, okay, so we did have this question. It's
uh it says, why is it okay to have people
from different cultures be part of the black culture, but
when the black culture steps outside, it's called out? Kind
of related to so that kind of yeah, that kind
of goes back to the beyond say thing.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
And all of that pretty much or just in general.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Will we pretty much were just speaking about you guys.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
That's that's true.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
You know what I hear people say a lot, and
please don't take this the wrong way. It be your
own people, It be your own kind that will call
you out. It won't be another race or cultures or whatever.
It will be whatever culture you're part of or your
own people that will call you out if you're stepping

(50:35):
outside of your culture and moving different ways and doing
it may not set well with them. But that's why
I also said, I'm one of the type of people
that do celebrate all the different cultures to test and
check things out and see if I like it. I
have I have I love Caribbean food. I'm not Caribbean.

(50:58):
I enjoyed the music I like. I like going to
like to the Asian uh spas, you know, for massages.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
And stuff like.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I love Chinese, I love uh the when you go
to the Mexican restaurants and they you know, everybody saw
some and dancing music. You know. Just man, That's what
I said. I just feel like people just gotta be
open minded and enjoy all these different cultures.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
It's I think it's a beautiful thing. I think it's
a beautiful.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Thing to be able to tap into other people's cultures
and enjoy it without being disrespectful, mockery or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah, and you like the phrase the cookouts tell people
about they heard y'all don't know listen to the cookouts terminology.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yeah, so guys, I'm the cookout.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
That's because you know, yes, everybody has cookouts, but you know,
the black cookouts be the lit cookouts, you know what
I mean. Like they they're the big parties, either like
a black cookout, block party or backyard or some.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Type of venue or something like that.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
And a lot of our people from our culture will
typically say, you know somebody that is outside of our culture,
but it's down for culture.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Likes that.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
We always say they definitely welcome to the cookout. I've
heard people say, like justin Timberlake, or I forgot.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
John b Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
I forgot the guy's name from Power. He plays favorite
show Tommy. His real name is Joseph, but everybody still
calls him Tommy. Tommy can come to the cookout. Tommy
can come to the cookout, you know, all that type
of stuff like that. So I like, I like that.
I think it's funny or whatever, and it's cool. It's
cool that you know our Like I said earlier, guys

(52:49):
like more the black culture is always accepting to other
people tapping into our culture and liking it, you know,
because for the longest time, because of racism and all
that stuff, and you guys know everything that happened, you know,
decades and decades ago, you know, segregation, all that stuff
like that where black people weren't celebrated, you know, or

(53:10):
we all were separated. So when we're all all of
us able to come together and we're liking one another,
we're always open arms to that. So that's when it
comes to when it says to the cookout.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
You know, different races that like you or enjoy you.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Yeah, come to the cookout. They invite it to the cookout,
Come be with the family, come be with the friends.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
So what that kind of begged to differ with that?
That term. It cringes me when I hear the cookout term.
And I'm gonna explain why. I must say, if I
could formulate my words, well would I explain this because
it's kind of hard to explain. I kind of feel
like it could be kind of offensive to the people
of the opposite culture. So if somebody could dance, Oh,

(53:55):
you could come to the cookout, you could do that line,
dance the boots on the ground line dance that's popular
now the boot's on the ground line, dan save the
Caucasian person did it or somebody else that's not of
a black race, they did it? Oh they come to
the cookout. I kind of feel like it's a disrespect.
I don't know, like it kind of downgrades that culture.
I feel so like, say they season their food, you know,

(54:16):
or they cook like how we may cook. All they
can come to the cookout. I just feel a down place,
That's my opinion. I feel like a downs plays other culture.
It can be kind of insensitive when they say that term.
That's just that's just my ave. Any question as Yeah,
it's just like it could be kind of like damn,
am I not good enough? Or is it your culture?

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Really?

Speaker 1 (54:40):
The only one who can dance? Make the season in?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
You know?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
You know what I'm saying. It's just yeah, it gets
a little cringing, It gets a little cringey. Do you
have any comments about that? Feel free to leave it.
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(55:06):
Have you been? Are you a person that's not of
the black race? And they said even at work or wherever?
Come to the cookout? How did that make you feel
hearing that? How did that make you feel good?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Question?

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Age gap relationships? So I read this somewhere. I don't
know where I read this from, but they said that
could be culture also or cultural difference. So I thought
about it long and hard without even researching anything like
I usually try to do, and I said, I could
understand where age gap could be culture because it's the
timing and generations where people were born into. So like

(55:41):
say the Generation X, their values and beliefs are different
than millennials where generation why in the gen z's, So
I could see how age gap relationships could play because
they're not going to have any similar experiences growing up
and relating to certain themes. So that's what my viewpoint

(56:04):
on that is. My takeaway for that is yeah, ye,
generations is all generations, even like our grandparents, if they're
no longer here with us, their generation, everything's just different
with age and upbringing and what they went through compared
to what we're going through now. So that's what I said,
And that goes to age gap relationships. The timing, everything's

(56:27):
usually different, wearing certain clothes that typically your kind of
people don't wear. So let's okay, let me. I got
to dive deep in this and sit deep on this
one because I got some things to stay here and
I have some extra notes I had to say because
I don't want to forget this. So we're about to

(56:48):
say with this one, Okay, this is what I want
to ask the people, and it's everybody. Why is it
when white people wear certain shirts, whether their graphic or
designer shirts, clothing, hairstyles, sneakers, boots, they're often heavily criticized.

(57:12):
I remember a couple of weeks ago my sister, she
was questioning whether she should wear this T shirt. I
think it was to a rock band from back in
the day, a popular one. I don't know. It was
a Metallica, a CDC was it?

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I got a Metallica shirt.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
I got a shirt, but see she questioned wearing it
because she's black. She don't want to be looked, you know,
at differently.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
It's fashion.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
It's fashion, right. It's sad that we come to this point.
Even we deal with the too white people, we deal
with the too on that other end too. Don't think
that you know, you all get it too. We have
to question things that we wear too. But I'm sure
you may have a little bit harder than us with
fashion and things like that.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
I got Selena's shirt, Dolly Parton, Aliyah, who else was it?
Whitney Houston my one of my close white female friends.
She wears bonnets.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
She has Whitney Houston shirts.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
All that stuff like that. People I just people, just
those labels and that small mind.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I just think I think it's stupid.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
It's like, embrace your identity, your fashion. It's just it's
not trying to be this person or be part of
that culture. It's just expression who you expressing who you are, expressing.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Who you are. You are everybody. Whatever you wear that
that's expresses who you are, what you're into. So if
you were a Metallica shirt, you might have liked that music,
or you like their pictures or whatever you like, you
know their art, So like, okay, I wear it because
I like the Metallica art. I like the Selina shirt
I saw the movie or her story was that or

(58:45):
it's just too.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Much like a fashion statement.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
It's just a fashion statement. Like come on.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
And my niece, who's a preteen, she had a Rascal
Flats T shirt. She don't know about Flascical that was
there my high school time and she don't know about it,
but she wore it because the master shorts. It looks cute,
but you know the country music group. She didn't know
who they are, but she had it on. When I
went to the fair or carnival last year I saw
young white boys that were wearing Notorious Big Best in Peace.

(59:10):
They had that shirt on and Princes rest the piece
of Prince as well. I said, Okay, you know what
I'm saying, And I said, that's kind of cute. And
they were young too, so I'm like, what they know
about I'm not saying about them wearing it because they're white,
But I said, what they know about about them? You know,
they're long long, but they know about Biggie and Prince.
I thought that was cute. But like I said, I

(59:31):
honestly feel when black people wear certain types of clothing
that's not part of our culture, we don't get criticized heavily.
I don't know if you agree with me. I mean
now I feel we don't.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
No, I don't think I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I'm you know, I'm black, but I'm that's my opinion.
I feel that we're not as heavily criticized as the
white counterparts are. I I'm gonna say that also too.
With that, let me find out because I had a
lot of things to say with that, with the wearing
of the clothes. Give me one second. Yeah, I'm sorry here, Yeah,

(01:00:07):
I just don't understand why that's always an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I remember you said something about one of the generous systems.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Oh, y'all. Y'all probably saw that they made headlines with that.
So back in twenty seventeen, Kindo and Kylie Jenner made
headlines in a negative way for a clothing line that
overlapped their faces on images of the late Notorious Vig
in the Late Tupac and Kiss. You know, the black
community wasn't going for that, and they expressed concerns citing

(01:00:32):
cultural appropriation. So I think there was some type of
legal lawsuits or things going on. Balletta Wallace, that's Notorious
Vig recidies to her mother wasn't happy of about them
doing that. So my thing is they probably could wear
the shirts with Biggie Toupac or Kiss, but not put
their faces on top of the shirt. Yeah, I don't

(01:00:55):
think would have been such a disrespect. Yeah, which I
could understand.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
That in their defense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
I think they were looking at like, we're the Biggie
in the Tupac, like you know, their sister or whatever.
You know, they're whatever they are, and so I thought
they probably thought that that was cute to do that,
but not knowing that it could offend other cultures and
other races, because those were two big black stars hip

(01:01:22):
hop artists is of the you know, of all time,
and so it was kind of like a disrespect type
of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
That's what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Because they put their images, they put their faces on
top of it. It's kind of like it's like a
power type thing too, Like I don't know if you
understand what I'm saying, like a like a power like
I'm on top of them or because when you overlap
the shirt on top of them, they're behind you, Like
so you're overshadowing. That's the word. You're overshadowing their images.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
I don't think they they I don't think it was
like that. I can see where you're coming from with that.
I personally don't think it was that. I thought they
probably thought it was cool. Honestly, I think it was
one of those things they thought was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Like, oh, we got the biggie, give me the tupox,
and but.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
We're gonna put our faces on top of there, and
that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yeah. I don't think there was no.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Party and they said it wasn't They just apologize, Yeah, apologize.
Adele also received backlash in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I think in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
August, we're wearing ban two knots, y'all. Those are the
little knots that y'all wear, y'all. They parted and really
pretty and then they twisted like little buns and so beautiful.
But that goes down, you know, back to historical times
back in Africa. Zulu. She got criticized for wearing that
and a Jamaican bikini top for a Nodding Hill carnival

(01:02:35):
and a lot of the black community thought that was
cultural appropriation. Ah, but that I'm kind of in the
mix with that. Why she was going to go to
event that celebrates Caribbean traditions. She did her hair, dressed
accordingly that they got offended by that. I like her too.

(01:02:56):
I do like her. I said about her something with her.
I like her, But I didn't think she was trying
to be black or down. That was an event. She
doesn't do it every day. She's celebrating the moment and
having a good time, y'all. Just having a good time.
That's what we need this world. Having a good time.
Ye celebrated. Yes, that's how we learned, that's how we engage,

(01:03:19):
That's how we brought in our mind in our mindsets here.
So let me see here, because like I said, we're
all over the place with these topics, and these topics
are so good. So we're trying to keep you guys,
you know, on the radar here. So let me make
sure real quick, something guys right here that ties in

(01:03:40):
with the clothing, okay, So I will let me see here.
There was also a video. This is interesting and I'm
sure some of y'all may have seen it. There was
a white lady that have beautiful corn rows in her

(01:04:02):
hair and it was with I'm assuming synthetic or human hair.
She had it braided in I think there were fulani braids,
and she was going around acting a black lady like
doing a brief interview. It was okay for her to
wear those corn rows.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
That was interesting. The black lady that she interviewed said, no,
you know, pretty much referencing. It goes back to historical
times and that's like our thing, the black culture. That's
what we do that you shouldn't wear it. I thought
they look cute.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
He hair was cute, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
I'm not gonna lie. It was very cute. So this
is what She told the black lady, the white girl
with the corn rows, if I can't wear my hair
like that, then you need to take off that wig.
She said something like that, the black lace. I could
wear whatever I want to wear, you know, kind of
rebubble back to her like, I could wear whatever I
want to wear. Okay, there's two sides to that. Let

(01:04:57):
me say something here, Okay, okay, here it goes. So
I'm going to educate people who are not of the
black race or black culture. Not all black people have
kinky texture, coily hair. Okay, even if we go natural,

(01:05:21):
we have shrinkage, which looks like an afro, you could say.
But then we could also chemically treat our hair with
hair relaxers, with silk presses, which is like a blow
dry with high heat and a flat iron that goes
with it, and all that other stuff and grease and
all that we do. That we have the Brazilian blowouts
and the carot and treatments, which is like a form
of straightening the hair also which will stretch our hair

(01:05:43):
out if is short. We also have there's something else
that we have, Dominican blowouts that we do, which is
pretty much you roll the hair go uneath the dryer.
They take a blow dryer, get them with high heat,
and they blow dry it with a round brush to
give you volume. Curls that bound in a straight look.
So let's get out that notion that black people don't

(01:06:04):
have hair, black people are bald, or black people have
short hair, because that's not the case. And usually if
our hair shorts by choice. Okay, I just want to
educate you all on that. Just keep that in mind.
So she didn't know, you know, obviously, that black women
could have long hair. I just want to make that
clear to y'all. We're here to educate. That was the
ignorant comment she made. It was a wig. It looked

(01:06:26):
like a wig. I think it was a wig. I'm
a black woman speaking of that. It was a wig,
but she didn't know. It couldn't have been a wig,
you know what I'm saying. So let's be mindful of
what we say and what we do. And then I also,
I'm gonna hit some another topic towards the end. I'm
gonna kind of skip that because I yeah, it's going

(01:06:47):
to kind of tie into what I'm just talking about.
I'm gonna head it towards the end. As we conclude
this episode, have y'all seen the meme this is crazy
y'all over ten years ago, about ten years ago of
the I Got Mixed kids haircut, And it was with
that white woman with those bobs and highlights. They were stereotyping.

(01:07:09):
They were culturally stereotyping those women as dating black men
are having mixed kids. I said, what so, you know,
I thought that was offensive, And how do we know
that that woman with that kind of haircut has mixed
kids or day's black men? They oftentimes stereotype them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Who's the lady and her and her husband? They were famous,
and she had all those.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Kids, Okay, Goslin, John and Kate plus eight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
There you go. Yes, she had the haircut. Nobody never
said was she trying to be a soul sister or
well her band was Asian but he wasn't black though.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Yeah, but but she wasn't dating a white person either,
right right, hit her with that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
But I never heard nobody say that she you know
what I mean? Like, nobody never called her out for.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
For that haircut.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
It was cute to y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Her hair haircut was cute, king. It was cute also too.
The white men are not exempted either, because if a
white man had a certain look. So let's see quote
unquote urban. You know what I mean by urban, y'all.
So when they have a certain look, they get judged
to as wanting to be down, or they may date black.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Women or system.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
So we're talking about the ones with the haircut, you know,
tapeer down, maybe the hair designs, you know, things like that,
tapeer down, the goate's. They were a certain style of
clothing and wearing chains. I guess that symbolizes being a
black culture, a black culture wearing chains or whatever, and
they want to be down. So you know, they get

(01:08:40):
backlash to the white men get backlash with that too.
Let me see here, give me a second, y'all. Also
speaking of the hair and stuff like that in style,
Asian hairstyles with the straight you know, the straight Chinese

(01:09:02):
bangs or those Asian bangs with the buns and the chopsticks.
Women who are not of the Asian racial background or race,
are we culturally appropriating or being culture vultures? Because I've
done that with the buns and the chopsticks and things
like that. I've seen white women do it, but I
feel that they don't really. I don't know when we

(01:09:24):
do it. I feel like we kind of get a
pass when we copy the Asian hairstyles, when you know,
the bun and the chopsticks and the bangs, the straight bands.
I don't know, this is my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
I don't really know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Yeah, that's what hairstyle. I just feel like women should
wear their hair however they want to and embrace it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
If I don't know, if you guys remember Bo Derek,
she had those cornbos white lady. Ye, A lot of
you guys probably don't know who she is. She was
an actress, still a loud today. Her one of her movies.
I remember she played in on Tommy Boy as the
step mom.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
That's her. So if you google her Bo Derek.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
She was famous for having the bees or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
And you know, the black people love it. The culture
loved it. She was bold and stood out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
It was beautiful and everybody's especially probably from that generation,
still talks about you know that being the iconic, you know,
the white woman with the corn rolls, and you know she.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Was known for that. I did see that online too.
Also too with anime. Anime is Japanese animation Pokemon could
be considered that. So with that being said, again, with culture,
we know people of different races or cultures they participate

(01:10:45):
with anime.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Yeah, my son does. I grew up on Pokemon all
all that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
So every race, a lot of the young kids, every race,
they the Pokemon anime. They have some of the best
video games. Oh my god, they had. There was like
when I was a kid, my uncle would have like
the cartoons like they were action figures or whatever, or superheroes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Some of the best stuff I've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Yep, they like I said, people from all backgrounds like it.
But the do the Japanese shut us out, say that's
not you shouldn't be into that. You know what I'm saying,
You shouldn't be into that. We're just trying to, like
I said, broaden your horizons here, y'all with these topics here,
let me see here. I got a lot to say, y'all.

(01:11:32):
I have a lot to say. I'm just trying to
I'm trying to wrap this up. I have a lot
to say that goes in regards to this. I remember
I worked with the lady back in the day. She
was Asian speaking of Asian. She was Asian, and she
had pretty much mentioned your culture, your black culture, y'all
got it going on. She said, y'all got it going on.

(01:11:53):
She said, y'all could dance, y'all got the music. The
list went on. She listened to so many carearctteristics and
attributes that we have. She's like, y'all got it going on.
And I wasn't even offended by hearing that. I took
that as a compliment. So I'm like, I know, we
are a big deal. And she acknowledged that we are
a big deal. So shout out to her for that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Like I said, other cultures and other races celebrating.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Yes and giving us a crop. We are a big deal.
We are a big deal. Thank you for that. Thank
you for that. And then this question I'm gonna asked
last because I'm gonna I'm gonna get to it last.
Y'all gonna want to hear this. But I feel that
usually with other cultures outside of the Black culture, Hispanics,

(01:12:44):
the Whites, and the Asians, they tend to stick together
heavily than the Black culture does. And I said it,
and a lot of people were not the only ones
who said that, or I'm not the only one who
said that this has been said for so many years now,
and I don't know what it is. You know, we
hold ourselves black as being black people and supporting one another.

(01:13:07):
We can make it so much further. You know, we
buy a lot of products.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
We're our biggest downfall when it comes to our community.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Honestly, it's kind of sad, I think, because you know,
it's always kind of been like, you know, for you know, Blacks,
you know, anybody of that race, you know, African American, Jamaicans, whatever.
It's always been just a struggle since the beginning of time.
And so it's like when certain groups of the culture

(01:13:36):
get to certain places in life, it's like, oh, you know,
you don't want somebody ahead of you, or if they're
up there, you feel they look down on you. And
I just like to see everybody in my in my
culture and my race doing well, just like everybody else.
I hate the fact that we are our biggest enemies.
We don't support each other the way that we're supposed to. Unfortunately,

(01:13:57):
I feel like a lot of that just comes from
the beginning of time. I think it comes from slavery,
you know, history, all that stuff like that. It kind
of just falls into all of that, and you know
how people were brought up back then and then they
carried on the traditions and all that stuff like that.
And now, you know, in twenty twenty five, everybody has
their own views of life and certain things and look

(01:14:20):
at things totally different from back then til now. So
it does kind of cause a division between the Black community.
I think that it sucks, but I will that's definitely
a true statement. You know, the black culture even though
we are celebrated and we try to celebrate ourselves, but
we don't celebrate one another the way we celebrate ourselves

(01:14:43):
or maybe we celebrate our favorite celebrity or something like that.
And you know, we got to stick together as people
and support one another so we all can get ahead
in life.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
You know, I agree, I agree, we'll always be behind. Yeah.
And they also say that black people have the most
uh purchasing buying power. We make up a huge amount
of consum we're consumers, yep, and then we end up
buying from other cultures, Asian people, from the beauty supply stores,
you know. So it's stuff like that. That's me, you know,

(01:15:15):
I'm saying every everyday stuff. So if we you know,
we're smart enough, we can create our own but I
don't know what happens. We don't have the willpower. I
guess you could say, you know, or we don't want
to support each other. That's another thing to supporting one another.
So that's something big on that too. Here's something too
that was interesting and I wanted to share this. I

(01:15:38):
remember when I was doing my internship and my supervisor
for my internship went over an evaluation with me. It
was my personal evaluation. This is what she said to
me that made me was like, she need to shut
the fuck up. When she mentioned this to me pretty much,
she said she noticed when I interacted with the clients
that I would call them mister miss or missus when

(01:16:02):
I address to them. So then she mentioned this to me, y'all,
she didn't know if it was culture. How to share
this with this this topic. She didn't know it was culture.
So I guess a black culture thing that we address
people that are older than us or whatever by mister
missus or miss I's manerals. Okay, so it doesn't have

(01:16:26):
to deal with me being a black woman or whatever.
But listen to this. This is a kicker, y'all. She
was doing it too. I caught her at times doing
it too, So what was I don't know? What was that?
Like sin type I've been debta against me or something.
I don't know, But she was doing it too.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
She might have thought you was trying too hard because
you already had the persona of talking white or acting white.
So with the extra mannerisms and all of that, she's
thinking like, oh, she's trying to be something that she's not,
or this is kind of fake, or do y'all really
talk like that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Like, But then she referenced cultures that that black people
do pretty much's saying that black people do that. She
didn't know, you're true black people are doing that. So
now I was like, what, Yeah, you know, y'all, I've
been through some stuff, Like I said, the jobs and stuff,
I've been through some stuff, y'all. Y'all just don't know.
And I'm trying to say it's in me, but I've
been through some stuff. I've been through some stuff. But

(01:17:15):
I thought that was just kind of weird because she
was doing it too. I just want to make that
comment so people, if you call people by mister miss
or missus, is that a cultural difference if you're black,
if you're not black, is it a respecting like A
seven mentioned? I mean, good question. I want to throw

(01:17:35):
that out there, and I want to share that. I
got stories for days, y'all. There was something else I
wanted to say, and you were about to get to
some deepness here on this topic. So Fat Joe the Rapper,
I'm sure you all know of him from the Bronx.

(01:17:57):
He was having an interview with Charlemagne the God and
Charlottage and the God mentioned Fat Joe using the N word,
and how I guess people were not too happy. They
were up in arms about it. So Vago replies back
by saying something to the fact that growing up he
thought he was black, right. He grew up in the

(01:18:18):
projects with the majority of black people, and that's where
he comes from and was born. He acknowledged his Spanish
Latino heritage, your roots, but he always thought he was black.
He was around black crowds, he fit in, they accepted him,
so that's what he felt. Culturally, he's black pretty much.

(01:18:39):
So I don't know. I thought that was pretty interesting
listening to that, you know, listening to him saying that,
because remember New York. Remember I mentioned that earlier with
one of my clients was from New York, and I
guess they don't they I guess not seeing color because
it's that New York feel y'all. Gob y'all feel it
when y'all the projects, y'all feel it's timing about race
or not, and it's about what y'all brought up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Into where we come culture.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Which i'll believed in what y'all practice. So I thought
that was interesting. I wanted to share that with y'all.
That was really good. I have another question. This is
going to hit a little bit deep here, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Do you okay I hate to ask this, but do
Black people hold onto history too much and use it
against people that participate or copy our culture? And I'm
gonna give an example, like when I mentioned the white
lady earlier that had the corn rows, and everybody was

(01:19:38):
saying that she shouldn't have worn the corn roads because
it deals back to history. There's even talks about it
online how cornrows were used historically as maps to guide
enslave people to freedom. In order to help with survival
while traveling the freedom, rice was kept in the cornrows
like weaved in or braided in. They are also communicated

(01:20:00):
with one another as their hair grew out because slaves
were required to shave their heads bald. So we go
back to history and time. This is deep. That's why
I still want to say this kind of last. That's
why a lot of the black people feel that those
hairstyles should not be represented by other cultures of a

(01:20:21):
different race because of what happens or what happened back
in history, especially with so you know, when we hear slavery,
we're still holding on to that. We're not letting go
of that. But I wonder black people is we're not
gonna ever forget it. You never forget history. You never
forget the pain or trauma that you've been through. You
would never forget that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
I think it just depends on how you were raised.
Some people were raised where history was talked about in
their home, and then there's other others where history wasn't
talked up in their home. You know, you were just
brought up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
You know, some people didn't share that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
You didn't have the great great grandparents or whatever that
has that type of information to express it to you
be a little bit more passionate about it. So that's
why it looks like, you know, some people are passive
when it comes to it, or biased or whatever, because
it all comes from where you were brought up in
the information that you were told. So some people may

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carry the history and some people don't because some people
don't know the history, you know, or it wasn't brought
up to them. They weren't brought up in learning about
history or their history.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
So that's true, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
So that question right there, you know, it's a little Do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
You think we hold onto it too much that we're
not like some do some? Do you think we are
holding that on too much where we can't let people
want to wear a certain higher style.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Yeah, I think that's stupid, But.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
There's something I found out behind that. So this is interesting.
Black people are mad at the mere fact that we
were once teased about our hairstyles or cornrows or afros
things like that, and spoken very negative negatively of having
full lips and big butts that you know, there were

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stories about that we were making jokes at circuses or
things like that with the big butt and everything like that,
and again our hair. But now we see other cultures
rocking our hairstyles, or doing enhancements like getting lip fillers
injections because the change getting hands so in enhancements, or

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doing enhancements, or doing wearing our solid clothing. I mentioned
to mimic the features of black people. I think that's
where some of this comes from, where people might be feeling.
Black people might be feeling some kind of way, and
they're also getting tired when there is a main event
in the headlines. That's tragic. They don't receive the support

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from white people who celebrate us or embrace us secretly
behind the scenes. They don't advocate for us in the public.
That's why I think that the African American community or
Black community or black culture is getting upset with don't
just use us when it's going to be convenient for you,
or be down with us or what have you, but

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not fight for us when sometime it might deal with
your people to help us out, you know. So I
think that's where the frustration comes along. It may not
be so like, oh, yeah, you're doing ourselves our music
because we have fun. Everybody knows that hip hop music
is the bid music. You know, everybody listens to it.
There's the most charreted music still to this day, R

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and B all that at all genres. So everybody's listening
to obviously, no matter what race you are. But I
think that's what's going on, and they're getting upset with that.
And my question is I always wonder, like with you
know what, the fox locks or fake dreadlocks or locks.
I always wonder if Caribbean people or people from the
islands get mad with people that tend to wear those hairstyles.

(01:23:59):
I don't think so, don't think so it does. I
don't care if you're a Black American because you're not Caribbean,
or if you're white.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
It's all part of our culture because all of us
came from Africa anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
But what but what if it's a black American, though,
I do you don't think so, they might feel like
you're imitating us. What if it's a white person doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
I doubt it because the majority of them are the stylists.
Those are the ones that are in their hair.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
They are, So I don't think that. So you don't
think so Caribbean people, Island people mine, leave us a comment,
email us, go on the website, so we talk dot com. Yeah,
let us know what you think. About that is, do
you all feel some kind of way when you see
black Americans that are not of Caribbean descent or island

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from the islands that are wearing those dreadlocks and locks
or twists. Do you get offended by that? Even I
it's a black person a white person, does that offend
you all? Good question here, So I wanted to also
say that the USA is a melting pot, and it's
so because we have people from all over that come here,
and that's how we learn culture and have cultural diversity,

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which I think is a beautiful thing. And we're able
to share cultures, which is very very nice. We can
go to the African American festivals, the Hispanic heritage festivals.
Every year, we have a Caribbean wine festival or reggae festival,
which I think is really nice, and everybody participates. The
music is going, they got the music, German, Hey, the wine.

(01:25:27):
Everything's good. The food is good, the Caribbean food is good,
and everything like that. Here's something that happened recently. There
was some newcomer that came through and he was going
to do a festival. I think he didn't have a
high turn. Now he kind of got mad because he's
really a Caribbean person promoting this event, but he feels
that a lot of the people were going to the

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white event for the Caribbean wine Fest. So he was
kind of offended by that, Like, you know, I'm the culture.
I do this, but you're going to people who are
not really part of the culture. That's kind of like
using our culture but don't really know it, but getting
you know, getting paid off of it. But I'm like
the real deal. He was offended, so I thought I

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had to share that. I said, I kind of see
where he's coming from from that. I can understand that,
you know, not getting to support, but he's the real deal.
But y'all going to go pay you know, the person
who's not of our culture, you know, because biding our
culture that money and participate and have a bigger turnout
and more support. I don't know that's what he said.

(01:26:32):
It was good. I just want to highlight that dressing
up for Halloween is that some people receive backlash for
doing that. Your girl Beyonce was one of them when
she dressed up as Pamela Anderson, a black woman dressed

(01:26:53):
up as a white woman. People tend to they tend to.
You know, I'm saying they tend to get upset with that.
I remember Miley Cyrus just as a little kid. I
think it's cute. Halloween time, express yourself has fun.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
I think people taking it to they're taking it too far.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
I think I think it's fun.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Being way too since that somebody's not you know, dressing
up as a KKK, dressing up as a black face
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, it's a fun time dress up.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Being a character.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Like people just being too sense of and just putting
too much thought into something that only literally lasts for
a couple of.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Hours, yes, or day? Yeah, day that people do better.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
What about what the movie you mentioned earlier, White Chicks?
What about what the movie White Chicks?

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
What about it?

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
They did receive some criticism, I think, you know, because
of the black and dressing up as white women. You know,
what do you think about that? Was that acceptable to
do culturally?

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Listen, the movie was funny movie they had when they
had white people in it. We will celebrate it all around.
There are some people that a little sensitive to it,
but it's comedy. You know, that's just like a woman,
you know, women being upset with like Tyler Perry or
Martin Lawrence or some of the guys that have played

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women characters dress up as women, it is like, oh,
he's nobody's not being sensitive to that. So that whole,
the whole black and white thing, it's all just entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
People gotta stop being sensitive. That's that's that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
Yeah, just have fun, enjoy the moment where what you
want to wear, and that's it, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
True authentic self, that's what all matters.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
That's all that matters. And another part I want to
ask you, I'm gonna mention these people are the b
C Boys, R I P to M C A and
eminem consider culture vultures and hip hop and rap culture.
And I use these as examples because they were you know,
they were mega artists that were influential to the rap
and hip hop industry. What people considered them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
They were good though.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
The BAC Boys, oh my gosh, they were just good
that that that's what worked well for them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
They knew they couldn't be country singers. They know they
couldn't be pop stars.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
You know, it's all about knowing where you fit in
at And with those guys that went into that laneness,
because that's what worked for them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
That was their craft.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
That was they liked the art, they liked everything behind it,
and they were good at it. So I wouldn't call
them culture vultures. And it's something that didn't start and
then stop, you know what I mean. You have celebrities
that kind of like maybe started on the more urban
side of certain things, film or music or arts or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
It would just say arts, and then they transitioned over and.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
It was kind of like you some people will question, like, well,
then you kind of use the culture to kind of
work your way up, and then when you got to
a certain place, it was like you were no longer
serving the culture no more.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
You were going for more of the.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
Higher ups or not even saying like the culture is
not higher up, but just a different going into a
different direction, and it kind of looked like, you know,
you were no longer part of the culture. So those
type of people that you'll call culture vultures, the ones
that kind of jump on, jump on when it's beneficial
to them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
But it goes back to what they were talking about.
They were always consistent, those guys boys and.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
With the culture, with the culture, and you could tell
they had a passion for it. You can tell they
liked it. Yeah, you could tell they liked it. So
so here's a good question how black people are depicted
and represented it in the media for entertainment. Is this
really our culture? I know seven months to know is

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this really? Or we mentioned that earlier, how we're negatively portrayed.
Is this what we have become as a black culture?

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Honestly, I have to say yes and no. It's kind
of like it's it's it's a yes and no type
of thing, because not all of it is what everything
you see is not always the truth, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
So I don't want to say that that's what it
has became.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
But the more that it's put out there and people
are sharing it and it's blowing up, it's the more
that people want to look at the culture a certain way. Yeah,
especially if it's not being promoted in a good way,
it can turn into a negative thing. And that's why
I said, you know, when I saw the Nissigan Ultimate

(01:31:32):
Thing and all that, I said, now it's kind of
getting out of hand. First couple ones, we're funny, but
now it's dragging out, is dragging out and it's no
longer funny because this is what certain people really think of, Like,
this is just what y'all real actual views of us.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
I wonder how can we change that narrative.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
Because but you really can't because that's that's what certain
people see of the culture.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Does that mean we're going to let continue? Though?

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Does that mean that the whole culture is not that
it's like that? No, that doesn't mean that. It does
not mean that, But.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
It's like what's trending, So it's kind of just kind
of like following what's trending, what's funny, you know what's selling,
you know what's going to get people's attention. Unfortunately, but
that doesn't define the culture, not one bit. Those just
some parts of the culture that is part of the culture,
and those are things we cannot ignore. But I personally

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don't think that it's also fair to make a mockery
of it because it's those people that actually live their
lives like that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
That's all they know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
Like I said before, that's their life, that's their everyday life.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
That's how they move, that's how they wake up, that's
how they talk, that's how they carry themselves. So it
should be made fun.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Of So anybody out there that's listening, please leave a
comment again wherever you're listening to, or go on our
website spatalk dot com or email us at sofa talk
at gmail dot com to see what do you think
we can do so that we're not portrayed representative and
depicted negatively in the media or society. You not really

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don't give a damn about society anyways, but I'm just
saying they're making us look awful out here as one.
And I do want to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Say this, this whole topic wasn't a black and white topic,
absolutely not. Was different cultures.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
It just might sound a little different coming from us
because both of us are both of us are black,
so we might sound passionate in certain areas or our
views might be a little different, but this whole topic
was about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Everybody, everybody's views.

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
How everybody feels, everybody's cultures, yeah, all that stuff y,
you know, because we both believe everybody should be celebrated culture, race, sex, gender, whatever,
whatever community you part of. Everybody should just be celebrated
and live in their truth. And this is pretty much
what all this kind of died into. But unfortunately, some

(01:33:57):
things do look black and white. It does look like
that we're not racist people. Like I said, I don't
think I'm not dating in my race. I'm in a
biracial relationship, interracial excuse me, interracial relationship, have biracial children
and all of that. So that speaks enough where I stand.
But this, this topic was just a little bit for

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everybody because I'm eye opener, like we I wanted to
get everybody's opinion in their views and not just what
US black people think or what us black or white
people think, you know, Asians, Hispanics, Indians, what everybody Indians,
everybody's whole views on their cultures and what's appreciated, what's appropriate,

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what's respectful, what's celebrated and whatnot, and.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
What's not appropriate. Thank you for that, Thank you for
adding that on. So I'm going to ask you all
here here's a good question. So what are your thoughts?
How do you see the role of culture in your
own life? It doesn't matter who you are or what
culture you are. Do you think people can be culture
vultures without realizing it? Let us know in the comments

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