Ep. 7: Hair Loss, Not Self-Worth

September is Alopecia Awareness Month! Join Aster and SeVen as they sit down with a renowned hair loss specialist to shed light on the complexities of Alopecia. From personal struggles to innovative solutions, we'll dive into the emotional, psychological, and social impacts of hair loss. Tune in for an empowering conversation that debunks myths, explores the latest treatments, and celebrates the beauty of self-acceptance. Our expert shares her journey, insights, and advice for those navigating the challenges of Alopecia, and she'll discuss the future of treatment, societal perspectives, and the importance of community support. Get ready to join the movement and redefine what it means to be beautiful, bold, and bald.
For any inquiries or consultations, please feel free to email Angela Williams at [e-mail].
Follow Angela Williams at the following below. Don’t forget to check out and order from her 5-star hair product line.
SPEAK Alopecia https://www.facebook.com/people/SPEAK-Alopecia/61576251159651/
Speak_Alopecia https://www.instagram.com/speak_alopecia/
Jewelz Hair Rootz and Follicles LLC https://www.facebook.com/people/JewelZ-Hair-RootZ-and-Follicles-LLC-All-Natural-Ingredients-Product-Line/100086095159353/ 
jewelzhairrootzfollicleproduct https://www.instagram.com/jewelzhairrootzfollicleproduct/ 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, and welcome to the Sofa Talk podcast. I'm your
co host Astor and seven will not be here with
us today, so I'm going to hold down the four
for seven. Let's talk it out and lounge it up.
We appreciate you listening today's episode, and this is episode seven.
In the title of today's episode is hair loss Not

(00:26):
Self Worth? Today, we're going to talk about alopecia with
the hair loss specialists, our first special guests.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yay, welcome back.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
So as I mentioned today's a special episode, we have
an Angela Williams, a renowned hair loss specialist. Angela has
over thirty years of experience in cosmetology, fifteen years teaching
it in numerous industry credentials. If we mention all of
her credentials, we will be here all day long. She

(01:19):
also has a five star hair product line, the Slay
Me Alert. While Angela has extensive expertise education and teaches
continuing education classes and seminars for cosmetology students, her primary
focus is on maintaining and treating the scout to promote
healthy hair. She can't diagnose, but she can provide education

(01:43):
about hair loss, which is something she embraces. So thank
you so much, Angela for being with us. How about
you do us this favor. How about you tell us
about yourself some background information and you know, brag about yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Okay, sure, So again my name is Angela. Hello everyone,
Thank you for tuning in. As this is a topic
that I feel like people can take seriously. It is
a Scout condition and people usually have low self esteem issues,

(02:24):
they become distant from family and friends. But I don't
want to go ahead of myself, and so I'm going
to talk about more about that later. However, I've been
in the industry thirty about thirty three thirty four weeks
now I embraced the hair lost part of what I've
started doing. I've got in salons. I have service to

(02:51):
clients who had experienced alopecia, which has led me to
go further into educating myself on a scientific part of alopecia.
And I'll go more into that. And also, I am
a cranial prostisis specialist, which is a specialist who can

(03:12):
sell medical wigs, and that's why the medical wig is
called cranioprostessis in technical terms. Again, hair loss is one
of my specialties right now that I am moving for
going further into my career again. I embrace it, which
led me to also start a all natural hair ingredient

(03:34):
product line also. But I'll get more into that as
we want to in my the topics. We'll get more
into that. But I thank you for having me SOFA talk.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I appreciate it and thank you for being here again.
You are our first special guest, So thank you so much.
You will always remember this. So I'm going to acce
a series of questions that are related to alopecia or
hair loss. And these are some good questions, and let's
start with the first one. So, Angela, what inspired you

(04:07):
to specialize in alopecia and hair loss? Was there a
defining moment in your career that led you down this path?

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Okay, yes, so again, throughout my career at the Certified Cospontologists,
I serviced guests I called my clients guests. I serviced
guests that had that experienced alopecia. So after after experising
them and doing deep conditions and hair installations, I wanted

(04:37):
to go digger deeper into the scientific part. Even though
we learned and just talk to us in Componitlity school
and I wanted to go further with it, and I
wanted to find out what what what causes hair loss?
What are the reasons why? So I started researching the
causes and reasons people experience hair loss. So the scientific

(05:02):
part of the hair and scalp structure is learning about
the hair file cules, the derma capella, the epidermist and
finding out what targets the hair file cules for the
client or the guests to experience hair loss. So in

(05:25):
the year twenty twenty fifteen, I completed a hair loss
specialist course where I learned the trichology side of it,
and that taught me how to use a triscope to
view the hair file cules and also look for any
kind of underlying here in scout issues to give you
an example, and I do this also in the in
the salon as well. So the triscope is like an

(05:48):
X ray, Like when we go get an X ray
as we broke something, or if the doctor wants to
go find out and diagnose this properly, they give us
an X ray. The same thing with the triscope. It's
like an X ray for the scalp that tells me.
So I had a guess that I I. I had
utilized it on and and her she had her hare

(06:11):
file clus were blocked. To give an example, her flecs
were blocked. So that told me, okay, there's there's dirt,
there's oil, there's a build up that's blocking the hare
file fule to hear file cules. So that means that
there's no growth. The Here's not going to grow because
it's blocking it.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
So that's one reason why I like the triscope, and
I'm glad when I took the class that I was
so I think that was one of my my takeaways
because that was just remarkable just to see that in
the view what we don't see, but what we don't
see triscope tell tells everything. And then I document also
Document two to go back after several months and rediagnosed

(06:53):
again and see if if all the if what I'm
doing got removed, all the dirt and the oils and
the building so that the here follow cules can read
and allow here here to grow. So after I as
when I was started increasing, I was eager to learn
more about other options outside of servicing my clients my

(07:14):
guests with the here installation techniques for people who are
experiencing alopecia. So that's when I went and I completed
the cranial prostesis course again. Cranial prostesis is the medical
term for medical wigs. And one thing that after I
spoke to a couple of guests and I say to them,
I say, you know that most insurance companies will pay

(07:35):
for it. But however it is is the word way,
it's the way it's worded, so it has to be
worded correctly. Like I can't say hair loss. I had
to say alopecia in order for the insurance company to
approve it. So I'm not going to go too deep.
But however, uh, when we're when we're going into the
cranial prostes is part of it. If that's what the
guests choose to do, I recommend it, and it's recommended.

(08:00):
I don't recommend it, but it's recommended that that the
guests go to their primary physician. She refers to first
him or her to the dermatologists. The dermatologist gives them
a script. They bring me the script. I do the
I go over what we what we will look best
and accentuate and things of that nature. And then I

(08:23):
and then that's when when I astend it off, the
the the script off to the insurance company for the
guests to be covered as far as payment or the
other option is they can get reimbursed, and there's other
doesn't pay, there's other there's other options, there's other resources

(08:44):
that I also that I also let the client guests know.
But again, the the medical wig is another another alternative
outside of on here installation services. So was there a

(09:05):
defining moment in my career that led me down this path? Yes,
But what led me is seeing how people how ALP
affects women and men, and to be able to give
them different options to make them feel good about themselves.
And I'm also going to add that being that I'm
a costologist as well. When they purchase the WIG units,

(09:25):
I can style them, I can cut, and I can
style them to fit their faith. So people wouldn't even
be able to tell that if they have a WIG
unit or not to be a actually, and now they
have all these other options out Now I'm researching and
I'm wanting to go complete another course actually because there's
so many there's so many options out there where people

(09:47):
can still look and feel good about themselves.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yes, I love it. I love to hear that in
your experience, how does alopecia affect a person's identity and
self esteem? And how can treatments help in this regard?
And I have something I want to say after you speak.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Well, in my experience, I noticed they can become emotional.
I've at my vendor events, when I do my product
line and vendor events, I've met so many women who
they get a little emotional. They get emotional. They just
where they feel like there's no hope again. There, They're

(10:33):
experience little self esteem, they start to wear head coverings,
they become withdrawn from social events. And also when they
become withdrawn, and then they're saying to themselves, I wonder
if anybody can tell that. I'm if anybody can tell
they're experiencing alopecia, and then they become label bald, which
is not a technical term. I do not like that word.

(10:54):
I always say thinning, because who wants to come comes
to and who wants to come to a hair lost
specialists or hairstylist and they sit in their chair and
they say, oh my god, you're going bolved. You know
what that's gonna do to that person that is going
to really really, they're gonna be devastated because they're already
going through it. Because my position is to comfort, to

(11:17):
reassure men, and to give resources. Like I can't even
that that I hear it so many times, like oh
my gosh, you're going involved, and even though on Facebook
that I cringe every time. But anyway, that's not the
that's not the technical term unfortunately. And then depending on

(11:38):
the severe verity, there are different treatment options from scout massaging,
deepconditioning treatments, steam treatments, and also on the fraid light
that's that's for designed for the scout so that it
doesn't burn the client so they sit underneath it, depending
on how many treatments they get, and it helps to
promote hair growth to giving it to an example.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Oh that's awesome, that's awesome. Can I say something real quick?
Do you are you finished? I don't want to cut
you off, Okay, So I just wanted to share. So
the my sister and seven are classmates. They graduated in
two thousand and five, and there was one classmate they

(12:22):
had who I think she may have had alopecia. Her
scalp was I'm sorry for saying this Angela, but she
was bald. She was bald, and for her senior year picture.
For the photo shoot, I think she was going to
like she was contemplating whether or not she was gonna
wear a wig. I think that was going to be

(12:43):
an option for her to wear a wig for her
photo shoot. But then you know what, she decided, No,
I'm not gonna wear this wig. You know pretty much
this is who I am. So she you know, I
love that story. She embraced it and took the photo
confidently with her with no hair. So I just want

(13:04):
to commend her for that. And I also want to
shout out the women and commend the women that are
brave enough like her, and the ones right now that
are brave enough that are facing or battling alopecia and
they're walking out the house confidently with their head like
that with no hair on their head. So I just
wanted to shout them out. Something else that's like a

(13:28):
pet peeve of mine that I get real upset with
is like, for instance, we'll use the celebrity lebron James.
So we all saw the videos, the memes, commentary, you
know about his hairline when it was receding a couple
of years ago, and I just think that's pure ignorance,
and you know, that's a sense of its subject losing your hair,

(13:51):
and then you have the media and everybody making fun
of you, you know about that. I think that's just
messed up, you know, so that you know, let's let's
just be mindful people, you know, that's be mindful. This
is a tough, touchy subject. Let's be mindful when we have,
you know, stuff like that that arises, you know, right right, yeah,

(14:14):
you know, I.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Don't know how it affects, how it affects people mentally, Yes, yes,
it's it's a it's a touch. Even even in the
salon my ladies that I serviced, I would have them
come in like seven six o'clock, seven o'clock in the
morning before the other Sonani associates came in, just so

(14:37):
that they wouldn't feel uncomfortable. So I would already have
their hair installated, their hair installed, and then all that
if everybody else came in and was already installed, and
I would just tell it by the time everybody got
in and give an example. Because it's it's it's it's
it's a it can be, it can be a touch.
A touch, that's a touchy that's a touchy situation that

(14:59):
they deal with.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Emotionally about to say emotionally, Yes, absolutely, emotionally it's sad.
It is sad. So lets people, let's be mindful. Let's
be mindful. One of us. Yeah, it could be any
one of us.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
It would be surprised. How it doesn't like people can
start the people can start to thin in certain areas,
but that but they won't go total. They won't experience
total alopecia. But that is a alopecia still.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Exactly exactly, I'm gonna get that later. Go ahead, I'm sorry, it's.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Still a form of of alopecia. And then I want
to touch the involved. When people become involved from hair loss,
it becomes total alopecia. Oh, totalents. The hair is totally gone.
There's no more here.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
And there's like no hairful like no like little dots
on the hair. There's no like coming back from that.
It's like a smooth right, like completely smooth.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
The hair is completely gone, unfortunate smooth. So then so
I did want to touch since we're on this top
on this part of the on this topic, people don't
realize that they experienced hair lost and why they experience it.
I always use the example that when we're when we're
growing up, our parents bring us to the hair salon

(16:16):
or barbershop up until we're about eighteen. Of course, because
we're still in their household, they were still they're still
we're still under their under their hair. And so by
the time they get eighteen nineteen, what are they doing.
They're putting their own chemicals in their hair. Yeah, they're
not taking care of the hair. They're not brushing properly.

(16:39):
It's something going on that it's something that's interfering with
their hair growing. As to if they if they kind
of continue to follow the regimen, the hair regimen that
their parents had them on while they were growing up,
they wouldn't get to that point where they're starting to
do their own relations or I want my hair like this.
I've been getting my hair like this all this time,

(17:00):
and my mother always wanted me, always wanted me to
get my hair out this. Now I'm eighteen, I'm gonna
do what I want to do. And then what happens
is they start doing what they want to do, and
when they get me your forties and fifties they're sitting
in my chair, not necessarily saying sitting in my chair,
but that they're saying, now fix this. And it's because
now you've got alopia because look at all the gamas

(17:22):
that you've done to your hair for all the years.
And then another thing I don't want. I'm not going
ahead myself. But when I took the Hair Lost Specials cast,
another takeaway was that when young ladies I want to
get a chemical done, they shouldn't get a chemical done
until they turn until they have their first minstrel because

(17:44):
keep in mind that the body's still going through different changes.
You're going to chemicals in the hair, and then what
are you're doing. They're they're they're still developing, They're still
it's like giving a baby whole milk at at two
weeks old. Mm hmm, you know. I mean, so it's yeah,
it's it's a process, so you can't. So the body

(18:04):
is still going through changes, They're still going through puberty,
and then that's what happens. Then they get older and
the same same thing along with other things. But but
I just wanted to I just wanted to to put
that out there because that is important to know why
people experience the reason one reason why they do experience
it and they get to this to where they have

(18:25):
alopecia through talents. Yeah, it's just just it's like, I'm
I'm in it, so I see it and it's sad.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it really is.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
And yeah I see it, so it's sad. Yeah, but
that's why. That's why, that's why I I took the
at of specialist class all that I could be able
to educate them and then and they, yeah, to make
them feel good. And that's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, and I'm sure they say that.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, there's hope. But the thing is they have to
be consistent, have to be consistent. Whatever you choose, whatever
regimen you choose, you have to be consistent. That's the
only thing. You have to be consistent. Find somebody who
that's gonna take care of your hair and and just
be consistent that somebody's gonna help you take care of
your hair loss. But you have to be consistent for

(19:22):
to see results exactly.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's not like a one stop shop type of thing
like oh, I'm gonna go for one time visit and
I'm gonna miraculously have my hair growth back again. Growing
back again.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
I mean, I'm gonna talk more.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
I'm gonna okay, So then I'll go to the next
one because we have a couple of questions. So there
are there are several different types of alopecia, andro genetic alopecia,
alopecia ariata. Could you explain the main difference in what
causes each type for those.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
HM So, alopecia, of course is alopecia. The alopecia refers
to as hair loss. Alopecia is hair loss. Whenever you
see that alopecia is hair loss. It's a common condition
that can affect both men and women. It's not just one,
it's both men and well and children. Let's not forget
our children and children. It can manifest in various forms,

(20:19):
ranging from mild thinning to complete baldness. So that means
that if you notice a little small, a little small
amount of hair loss, go get it looked at by
a whether it's a hair loss specialist, whether it's youre
a stylist, whether it's a grmantalogist, and make sure that

(20:45):
you are treating it because if it's left untreated, it
starts to get bigger, larger, larger, than it turns into alopecia. Totalists,
That's what I want. It's always always say, son't you
see it, go get it, go, get it treated, m hm,

(21:06):
so that it doesn't start to spread. So that isn't
I'm sorry, so that it doesn't start to spread. So again,
alopicia refers to as hair loss. When you see alopecia,
that means hair loss. But there's different types and I'm
going to talk about those now. You have androi genetic alopecia.
This is the most common type. This comes from a
combination of genetics and hormones. It can lead to gradual

(21:28):
hair loss and a pattern typically seeing them males. So
this means that the male will have receiving hairlines or
they'll have it'll be trobally gone in the crown females.
The thinning is all over the scout and females, but
the man get receding hairlines. M like Lebron James, Like

(21:49):
you mentioned receding receivnes. But nowadays what they're doing with
those is I guess I see the barbers used in
the what you call it like be gene or something
like that. The feeling, yeah, the filling with That's why
I say there's so many things out there now that
people people feel good about themselves, like it's unbelievable. But

(22:10):
because they can still look young, they can still look
good and they can still feel the main thing is
feeling good where nobody notices that.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
You make it.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, that's the thing. And then I'm sorry. And then
alopecia already already yet this is an auto immune condition
where the bodies immune system starts to attack the hair fillacules.
So then it alopeciuld becomes patchy or what happens is
it becomes total hair loss. Oh, because body's immune system

(22:40):
body system cancer to give an example, because when the cancer,
that's what happens. The body starts to attack the the
immune system because the immune system gets weak, Okay. And
then as it is stronger because some people they remember
they fight cancer.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yes, And the remission in the.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Hair and I've seen this, the hair starts to grow
back fuller, yes, yeah, And I'm like, that's a blessing
because it comes. It starts to come back thicker and
fuller in some cases, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
And traction out a piecia Now tracking is caused by
excess of pulling attention on the hair. So this from
wearing tight hairstyle braiding now that the late front lace
front technique is not done correctly because we've been in
the front and with chemicals now for me, and I've

(23:40):
seen this not down to anybody, but but in me,
even me growing up, I always put the relaxer in
the front of my in the front of my hair,
on my hairline because I want my hair to be
nicest move and I was having and then that all
that breakage. If you put that first, you relax the
first round the edges, and you haven't gotten through the

(24:02):
whole process of the chemical application. Even with hair colored
the same thing. You have to be careful how you
apply it. You have to be careful how you because
it's sitting by the process it for the fifteen minutes.
It's still price process. And that's the most that's the
most sensitive cart It's our hairline that's the most sens
That's that's where I'm seeing a lot of people who
are purchasing my hair, my hairline product. They have alopecia,

(24:25):
They have alopecia. They attraction alia the majority of them, Yeah,
they attraction alopecia, but that's where it comes from. Also
when babies are little, and of course you always want
to do the little hairstyles with the ponytail holders. Yes,
you're you're putting, you're putting tension on their their hairline.
So as they as they grow up and you keep

(24:48):
putting those those nice sort of keep directs in their hair,
but you're still pulling, and you're still pulling, and you're
putting tension along their hairlines. So when they get older,
guess what's gonna happen That starts to start the thing
now not careful. So that's the reason why people are
experience tractioning alopecia, and that's a pulling attention on the

(25:08):
hair telligent f f of them. This is a temporary
condition where a large number of hair filecus enter the
resting phase. So this can lead to sudden or significant
hair loss because it is temporary. In the hair filecules
they come to they they go to a great growing stage,

(25:30):
they go to a resting stage. And and this is
why it's that, this is why it's temporary. It doesn't
last long because it isn't it is in a resting stage.
But if it's left again, if it's left untreated, it
leads to sudden insignificant hair loss because it is at

(25:50):
that resting stage. So that means that we need to shampoo,
we need to do scoblish howers, and we need to
do deep conditioners because it isn't that it's like sleeping.
So yeah, we can up to do something. So we
gotta wake it up to do something. So the here
goes through the enagen intelligence, it goes through all the
all the phases for growth, hair rows, and then it

(26:12):
goes to the resting stage. Also there's another there's another
term I wanted to tell my and on my on
my speak of Alopci page and speak out it's Alopcia
Awareness Month. So I have all the technical terms on

(26:32):
there if anybody wants to refer back, and I'll give
my social media handles at the end. But all I
have everything in detail all my pages for the month
of September being this is Alopcia Awareness. But there's an
alopcre called enagen fle them, which remember we talked about telligence,

(26:53):
but now we're going to talk about enagen and then
there's a cat in stage as well. But the enagen
that remember just can mind intelligent phase is when the
hair is resting, so the energen stages where the hair
actually should be should be growing. Now, people that experience
this during any kind of cancer treatments, and this is

(27:14):
why I want to talk about it, because this is
for people who usually go through cancer and get the chemotherapy.
This is what this is what starts to happen with them.
They start to lose hair doing the cancer treatments. And
again it is this also is temporary. This occurs when
the hair file fills are disrupted during the active phase.

(27:36):
So energen is an active phase, so it starts to grow.
So this can lead to premature or any kind of
sensational sensation of hair growth. So this is where this
comes into play because remember when people go through chemotherapy,
they start to lose hair most people, and then the
hair starts to like I said, some people are lucky,

(27:57):
are blessed, some are unfortunately. It will go through that
resting stage, but then again it takes something to wake
it up. So that's where you're going. We get the
scob massaging, the shampoo and the deep conditionings and what
and some other options depending on the the situation. M hm. Yeah.

(28:20):
And then postpartum appia post part of me. It's temporary,
of course. Yeah. Now this is a common condition that
causes hair loss after childbirth.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Now, in my years of doing being behind a chair,
I've had several women that was that we're expecting. However,
I applaud them because they came in, they got their shampoo,
they got their deep conditions done, and they take their
pre natals. I always they take the prenatals ring out
of water. So they came in and they took care

(28:52):
of their hair while they're pregnant. Somebody who who knows
they want to they want to have a baby, I
always suggests and recommend that they come in and get
the deep conditioners done, get the Scout treatments, and keep
up with them your hair regimens so that way, by
the time you do get start expecting, your hair is
already strengthened. And then you start so then your here

(29:14):
is getting stronger those hair foul you're supposed to do,
and then they're not being confused going right saying, oh
my god, what am I gonna do? What am I
gonna do? Something's going along with the lazy's body. So hm.
So this usually happens after Chadberg. But after someone has
maybe they should go to the salon and get their
deep sha improvement and deep conditions done. They say to

(29:37):
just say that they that women shouldn't get chemicals done.
I'm not gonna say it's a running to write answer,
but I've done it and my my my guests that
got chemicals while they're pregnant and before they were fine.
I'm gonna being consistent to take care of the here
to keep the hair strengthen, I'm gonna keep that hair
structure strong again. Picture is temporary, it's harmless. It's harmless,

(30:02):
so curse during the hormonal changes after giving birth. So
during pregnancy we all know the extra levels start to increase,
which which does promote hair growth. But after giving birth,
the extra the extra gen levels start to drop. So
this is when the hare starts to shed. So that's
why I say it's important to keep up with your
here regimend, get your deep conditions done, purchase up, purchase

(30:26):
the shampoo and condition that you're that your stylist uses
so that when you're home you can't get out. Or however,
if you have to shampoo your hair, at least you
have the shamful condition or that your stylist used to
keep to keep your hair and help in a healthy state.
But but it does lead to to a shedding phase,
does go through a shedding phase. And again total total

(30:49):
our PFIA totalis total totalis alipafia. We talked about that.
It's also that its complete baldness. It is a condition
characterized by the complete loss of hair on the scalt uh.
Now the cause of this is unknown, but it is
believed to be known for having like somebody has an

(31:09):
autoimmune disorder, so the bodies of musicism attacks to herophilics
like I talked about earlier. Other potential factors that may
contribute also is genetics, hormonal imbalances, stress, infections, and any
kind of medications.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Wow mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
And I see that I've seen this a lot in
the in the being in the industry, I've seen this.
This is particular one format year it is completely less
want to stop again and other other simple maincluse move
or balths no hero on the scale ye none no
no otlashes and eyebrows. They may have in other areas

(31:54):
chest legs. Dermatologists they diagnosed it, they try to diagnose it,
but it's based on when they diagnose it, based on
the physical examination in their medical history. So they check
blood work, check any kind of automedium disease disorders style
biopsy to examine the hair foul cules, any kind of
nutritional deficiencies that's going on. Make sure you get enough iron,

(32:19):
vitamin B twelve.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yes, yes, which are all future for.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
I always say what you eat, what you eat comes
out in your hair. Yeah, we'll be eating drink comes
out in here.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
And I believe too. If I'm not mistaken thyroid disorder,
I'm not sure. Okay, So okay, I'm going ahead. Okay, okay,
you're talking about you were talking about shedding a while ago.
How do you different how do you differentiate between normal
hair shehutting and actual hair laws that could indicate a

(32:53):
condition like alopation. I'm going to add on to that
after you're done.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Your so normal, So we lose, we lose, We lose
eighty years a day.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
How many hairs get it?

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Eighty? So that's normal?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Wait? Wait, can you say that one more time?

Speaker 3 (33:13):
We lose fifty to eighty heres a day, and that's normal.
Like say Franks, when you comb your hair and you
see he comb so that it's supposed to be fifty
to eighty heres they live lose. That's normal. Now outside
of that is it's not normal. So then this is

(33:34):
when so say, for instance, somebody's bedridden and they can'tnot
get to anybody to do their hair, or and they've
been bedridden for let's say five months or solf and
then they come into the salon and the hair is madden.
Now at this point you're going and you try to comb,

(33:55):
the hair is already madded. So when you try to
comb that hair, it's going to to eventually start to
disperse from the actual from the scout, of course, and
then that's when it turned into hair The hair loss
is not normal.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
To give an example because it's been mad. It has
not my conor brush through.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
I'm just bring an example, because then that turns into
of course, that turned into hair loss. The more you more,
you pull them, more you tug, it's gonna it's going
to do something to those hair fouls and it's gonna
cause some kind of damage. Wow. But yeah, normal, we
lose fifty to eighty heres a day. You actually so

(34:42):
that I remember I had a desk, bring a bag.
She had a baggie and had her hair in the baggie.
I'm going I'm losing my hair and draper up and
I turned it through the mirror and I'm doing my
hair analysis and I run my fingerstoor here and I
I say, look, there's nothing. It's normal. It's normal. And

(35:04):
if I if you were to bring that bag in
and then I ran my and then I put my
hands through your hair and then I and I see
a lot of hair in my hand. Then I'll say
that's not norm but that's normal. There's no shutting, there's
nothing going on. She's like, oh, okay, it was so
fank you about the whole bag. I was like, oh no,
so but yeah, but yeah, but that's differentiate. I mean,

(35:30):
I just copy here announces too to be able to
differentiate the two. If it's normal.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
But see, I would say she was using like precautionary measures.
She's smart by putting it on. That's smart. That was
really smart. That's something I would do. That's what I
would gather on the floor.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
And then what I'm saying to myself, I'm taking to
myself like I'm gonna help. I'm also specialized in healthy
hair care, and I'm like, you come to me every
two weeks and now I'm taking a bag my hair.
So yeah, smooth, that's cute. I think it was. It
was I can't remember. Maybe it was a style she
had and then she combed her hair. I'm not sure.
I can't remember off seeing ye, but it was just

(36:10):
when she when she saw that it was none that
she was so happy. I said, see, there's nothing that
kept on. There's nothing. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
So I want to mention over a decade ago, I
had experienced some hair loss too, and it started off
like like like the size of a dime. It was
real small or lesser than that, and it was like
in the front of my hair, by my hairline, but
not too much to the hairline. So what I did

(36:42):
I went to the dermatologist for treatment and then I
was diagnosed with sebareaic dermatitis, which is an itchy scalp condition,
which contributed to that hair loss because when you keep
on scratching one area, you're going to get hair loss.
So I was getting that. The dermatologists prescribed me a
medicare At shampoo which worked wonders and like a steroid

(37:03):
spray for my scalp. It was awesome, And I think
there's another cream she prescribed me also for me to
use in between, and that work. That cured it. That worked,
and I had hair growth back. So then recently, maybe
about a year or two ago, when I was stressed
out on my previous job and I started to lose
hair like the center of my scalp, and I think

(37:28):
that was contributed to like ex stuff for my job,
having hair loss and using ponytail drawstream ponytails. That might
have had some factors to do with it too, because
the combs the front and back, you know, scratcher scalp,
and it kind of dos traction like Angela mentioned. So
Angela had provided me with her her natural hair care line,

(37:48):
the Root Juice. We call it the Root Juice, a
cute little name, the Root Juice. So I was able
to use that and then I had hair regrowth. I'm
not lying on this shaw It worked one, it smells good,
it works, it's it's so easy and convenient to use.
I put it the droplets on my scalp, massaged it
in the hair cane right back. So that's my go

(38:10):
to source, that's my saving grace. I use it all
the time. I use it on my hairline because you know,
like if I have braids or protective styles, I might
get thinning around the hairline. That's very common, Beled. But
I even use it for that and it's been a
saving grace. So that product is amazing. Check it out, y'all.
We'll get to the end of that. But I do
want to mention that I didn't want to mention that.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
So.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
I'm going to go on to the next question. Hair
loss can have a profound emotional impact, especially for those
who experienced it suddenly, how do you support patients dealing
with the emotional toll of alopacia? You mentioned some of
that earlier.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
So I do do private consultation, and now I started
doing virtual or zoom awesome, uh if the if the
person doesn't live local, I've also started doing zoom in virtual.
But like cyber consultation, documentation to see progress after receiving

(39:14):
any kind of deep conditioning services and hair products that
will recommended. Now this is talking about in the salant atmosphere,
of course, in the trilogy lab so documentation is very
important to make sure that whatever recommendations you receive that
they are working and they're doing what they're supposed to

(39:35):
do so that time doesn't go on because I always
say that I'm not going to continue to take my
guest money. I rather like every two to three months
we'll go back and we'll reevaluate. If nothing's working, then
I'm going to refer you to your physician to get
a referral to your dermatologist. Yeah, and because that's that's

(39:56):
not what they come to me for, so so yeah,
that's that's usually that's usually how how it works far
as the emotional and physical figured out. It's a logical
impact that may have that it takes on them. Again,

(40:21):
private consultation being private, and now that's a plus because
nobody wants to you know, people, people can be cruel
and they can be cool, not because they're not educated
on it. So of course they don't. They don't think
that it's something wrong because so it's not their fault.
I'm just saying, like, where people can you know, look

(40:44):
make gestures and things like that.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Nice make means video. Yeah, we go hoole nine yards ignorance.
There's I'm gonna share something too with this one. And
I believe seven yep seven root in for this one.
Since he can't be here, But I'm gonna ask you first,
have you noticed any difference in how men and women

(41:08):
react to hair loss, both emotionally and psychologically. I can't
wait to talk about this one.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
This is good again. I see it a lot in
my vendor events when they come over to me, and
I do it. At my vendor events, I also do
a consultation to make sure that they purchase a correct product.
But when they come over to me and they and
they think. I always get men that come by and
stop buying and point to their scout and say, can
you do something for this to help it grow? And

(41:35):
then I lead them to the product that would that's
best for them. But there's no funny. But but I
see it a lot of the vendor events as well
as then it's setting, but more out in the vendor events,
because again people come to my come over to my
my dules, and they see my product line. They they

(41:57):
what catches their attiments. They see the word foul with cups.
Then product manage drills, hare loots and foul fills and
they where file fills, They're like, oh okay, or they
see that I'm going to be there when after the
promoter's post on my business and then they come over
to me and then that's when we get into the discussion.
And they always feel like there's no hope. And I
see the tears and I, you know, and I and
I and the little you know, the emotions, and they

(42:22):
they just yeah, they just feel like there's no hope.
And they always say nothing works, nothing works, and nothing works,
and then what do what does work? If they go
like go to a hair los spress or something, they
until they see the process is if they go through
the process and make sure that it's explained correctly. That's
only that's the only downfall. They have to actually go

(42:45):
into an establishment of a certified hair loss specials or
stylists that specializes in it and realize that nothing works
until the process is explained, and then they go through
the process of this can work, this can work, director
commendations and then come in and reevaluate. But they always
say that they just feel like nothing works. That's all

(43:06):
I hear. Nothing works. I went and got the injections,
I went and I took pills. I'm going to the dumba.
They always did, nothing works, nothing works, And that's a
sad part. That's a sad part. That's I mean, that's
what works coming.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I was gonna ask, do you think equally both men
and women have the same emotional like feelings behind the
hair loss or is it more so the women compared
to the men. I would think it would be the woman.
That's that's my bias.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
M h. I think they both do in their own
little way. Mm hmm, they both remember. I think women
women handle a little bit more and better because I
think that women, we can we can cover it up
with hairs, so we can, we can, we can cover

(43:56):
it up. Whereas men they either have to shave their hair,
which were just talking about that recently, they have to
shave their heads. When they start experiencing thinning or any
kind of hair loss, they have to shave their head.
And now they have out what they call the man
units now, which is really nice that even though they

(44:18):
experienced it, they could still there's still there's still other
options to still look to make them because you know,
they want to still look young and they still want
to feel good about them. So yeah, as soon as
they start with seating, they're like, oh my god, oh
like that.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
My god.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
I've had so many lovers come to me about their sons.
Oh yeah, hair loss, Yeah, hair loss because they start young,
Andy start young. But sometimes genetics stress. Remember kids, Remember
the kids go through stress in school. We all think
that they that we're not told to be stressing while
we're young. But yeah, they like they still they deal

(44:50):
with in the school school work, making good great. But
I have a yeah, I have a lot of mothers
who also approached me about the products and and let
me know that there either their husband or their son
experience it. But their statistics show that thirty thirty million
women experienced it, and out of those thirty million, forty

(45:12):
may experience it out of the experience it and then
fifty million men by the age of thirty five eighty
five percent. And I might have experience it. Experience.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
I know seven, he's not here with us today, but
he was able to write something because seven does have
He's bald. Seven is bald we called we called a baldy.
That's our little slang, a baldi. So seven is a baldy.
Seven wanted to share this that ties in with the question.
He said, I noticed my hairlines starting to fade around

(45:53):
the age of twenty three through twenty four. I wasn't
too happy about it. I was self conscious. I tried
a couple of different black hair product sprays for lineups
for my hairline and thinning areas on my scalp, but
they were messy and cost too much. I also tried
hair followicul powders and that was difficult to keep up.

(46:15):
So around twenty five, I decided to shave my head.
I felt like the ball head took my youthful look,
but I settled with it. I also tried the men's
here unit, which you mentioned a while ago, Angela. Those
were nice but very costly, and the glue made my scalpitch.
I now wear hats and turbans. I don't show my

(46:37):
baldy much unless I have to laugh out loud. I'm
still self conscious about it at my age, but I
do get compliments on my baldy, so it is what
it is. And my father also he relates to what
seven had mentioned because he experienced hair loss around that
same time too, so he mentioned to me he had

(46:59):
a hole like a headful of hair after whatever thick hair.
You know, he felt like he was the man, the shit, whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
You want to call it.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
It's Kuma language. He felt good about himself, but then
he said when he started to get the hair loss
and thinning and all that stuff, he felt ugly. And
then he also mentioned it was traumatizing to him, so
I said, oh wow, But he also made a good comment.
So he said this. He mentioned to me that as

(47:26):
he you know, aged and gotten older, he started to
see other men you know, rock their bald heads. So
then that meant like society accepted it more and it's
expected because usually when you get older, you tend to
have hair loss. So that's what made him, I guess,
embrace it and feel a little bit more confident as

(47:47):
he got as he has gotten older with that. So
I thought that was pretty interesting to mention and from
you know, different perspectives. That's all I wanted to share.
The emotional psychological.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah yeah, mm hmm, yeah that's good.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yeah, that was really good.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
He said. Yeah, they don't do it too mental men.
I just think that women just deal with them little bit.
Like I said, they just because we know how to,
We knew, but we do still look. Fashion of going
still looking and filter so that it doesn't doesn't have
too much of an impact. But it doesn't. It does
in a.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Sense, it does, and I was gonna say too. Even
with that being said, like, I always thought that men
that were baldheaded were confident. I never knew that they
were going through those issues of insecurity and more confident.
I thought, you know, they were brave too, to rock
a bald head. And honestly, I do find them attractive,
you know, you know my category and men, A man

(48:46):
with a ballhead no matter what race and a beard,
I think they look good. I think they're attractive. But
it's just interesting to know behind that. So yeah, I
wanted to add that part into Yeah that's true.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
What are some what are some of the most exciting
advancements in alopecia treatments right now? Are there any new
therapies or clinical trials on the horizon? I think I
might know one.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Well, there are different options again, like I said, the
wig enhancements, the medical wigs and here installation, non surgical
here replacement opposed to getting injections done. They're just some
amount of patreut to a few, yeah, just to name
a few.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
And I know too, I'm going to chime in on there.
I know there're steroid injections from the dermatologists like quote
a course, steroids to promote regrowth in the hair follow goals.
I know they have that too.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Yeah, so they have that, yep. So that's always an option.
I remember that.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
But a licensed person have to have to, of course,
do that a lot. Somebody who's license absolutely that's specializing
in that. So that means that as a here, I
can't do it. I'm not. I don't have the licenses
to do it. They have to go to someone who
really specialized and their years of training to do it

(50:09):
to do it. Mm hmmm. It's not like simping. You
could just stick a needle and then No, it's it's
it's intense.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Listen to that, audience, sofa talkers or audience, listen to that.
It's true. Can you talk about the role of lifestyle
and diet and managing or preventing hair loss? Are there
certain habits or nutrients that can help strengthen here?

Speaker 3 (50:32):
So I just reacon quote to the topic about this
on social media in regards to this, So it is
important for us to watch our eating habits. Now do
we do that? Some of us? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Some of us.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
No, one of them. You're gonna say by my my
Outherly clients. One thing that I admire about them, they're
here big, full, long, healthy and nails skin beautiful, and
that comes from the eat. They change their eating habits,

(51:04):
they change their I guess, not saying that they didn't
have the these habits, but as they got older, you
can tell that they took really, really really good care
of results. And that means they foiled the direction of
the dactor. Of course.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah, and it's it's like you have no choice.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
I mean, you know, different generations, you see different like
different generations. So of course, to hear themselves over the years,
we always say we are what we eat. It comes
out in our hair and scout. Unfortunately it comes out
we are. We are what we eat, So we should
watch our eating habits. What we eat and when we
drink effects the hair in the scout. I always say,

(51:42):
drink a lot of water. Water helps.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Water.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Water is as it's an essential. That's to drink too
much of it, but drink enough of it. But because
water is already we already have water in our in
our system, we should be drinking enough of it because
it showing the hair in the scout, and it does
it keeps the hair in the scout healthy just like

(52:05):
the skin. Like get the skins top moist. Same thing
with the hair and scalp. It keeps it, It keeps
it moist. It shouldn't be dry, of course, but just
watching improvant, just watching the habits the essential nutrients such
as iron, vitamin D. Yeah, it is also is also

(52:27):
good to incorporate in our in our in our daily intake.
Adequate intake of nutrients is also essential for supporting healthy
hair growth and also maintain fil cue function. Remember the
file cue played the big depart in the hair, the hairstream.
So we want to always make sure that we're cattle
and we're baby in that baby baby in our bodies

(52:49):
to take care of our hair foul cue.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Unfortunately, now the case is the clause is involved these
nutrients is a metallic metabolic process which includes any kind
of DNA sentences, cell division and protein synthuses which are
also critical for the hair, foil, food function and growth.

(53:12):
But overall that what we what we eat in our centrals,
our vitamin essentials that just give us supplements for reasons,
those are important. They keep the hair strong, they keep
the hair fil crew strong. But again we all we
eat what we take in always follow up. Like when
we have kids, we have to we have them follow
the food. That's what we should be doing also, but

(53:35):
do we do it now?

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Now we don't.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
But yeah, it's but yeah, lifestyle and diet, just changing
alcohol plays a big difference.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
To the drinkers out there.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Plays a big difference. I'm not saying not to dream,
but it plays a big difference to our in our
overall health as well.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
As Yeah, yeah, that's true. And I think also zinc
is a good factor for here, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, definitely, definitely.
There are many myths around hair loss. What are some

(54:18):
of the most common misconceptions you've encountered in your practice
that you have.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
When the client will say, look, I have no hair,
I have no hair, okay, And then I say and
then I turned to the well, of course we're at
the mirror, and I'll show them and say, look you
have you still have a little bit of funds. So
that means that there is there is room, there's room
for growth. The hair farc was still active. It's when

(54:52):
the hair when when it's when there's no hair is
one of the fact there's nothing there so that's becomes
again to I'll peach your totalents. But however, the hair
filecus they do go dormant, but then it takes something
to wake them up. It's like the do the hair

(55:12):
focles are like I was just an example of the
baby who's born who doesn't have that much hair, and
they have because that's what it looks like when somebody says, oh, gosh,
I don't have here. But then there there's a little
bit of fuzz there. There's still a little bit of
fuzz there. So that tells me that you're still active. Yes,
just something to wake them up. So you gotta go
in and always gonna do the pushbill effect wor in

(55:33):
the shampooing the pushbill effect to get up. It kind
of was that I blocking that hair file fill. They
that blocking the hair foul fuls. They have to be
the dirt oils have to be released some kind of way.
Otherwise they're gonna stay blocked and they're not gonna grow,
and they're gonna stay dormant. Yeah, so again it just
takes something to wake them. Here grow products for another

(55:54):
one I got mentioned earliest simulations got massaging. Those are
things that that wait till so that they don't they
don't stay adorn it. It's sometimes some people they don't
know what to do, so they just they just continue
to say, Okay, well it's not any hope, So I'm
just gonna let them continue to go stay like this,

(56:15):
and then what happens is it then turns into it
turns into excessive thinning. Yeah, that's what happens.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
That's why I'm like, glad we're speaking about this to
educate people. You know, it's never too late, you know,
if if if you're in that case where it can
be prevented, it's never too late, everybody, if you're going
through this right now, Yeah, never too late. People often
hear about miracle cures for hair loss. What are some

(56:51):
red flags to look out for when consuding hair loss treatments?
And I'm gonna give an example. I hate to put
their name on blast, but you are very familiar with this.
Back in the day, so commercials and infomercials they made
like probably millions of dollars. It was real game. It
was advertised for that, the miracle cure. Sorry game, but

(57:11):
it's true.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah, some of these places have to be careful. Misleading
treatment claims, guarantee results too good to be true, promises
invest in marketing mm hmm, that may not have that
may not have scientifically back treatments. Yeah, they just just
have to be careful.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Careful, Yeah, yeah, very careful. How big a role does
genetics play in alopecia and can anyone develop alopecia or
are there higher risk groups? That's a good question. I
always thought it could be hereditary from your parents or

(57:56):
your grandparents, you know, like along your genetic line.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Yeah, so yeah, that's that's first. What I was gonna
say android genetic alopeci here, which is polygenic. This is
caused by multiple genes. It's a combin this is a
combination of parental genetic variant variants. So this increases the
likelihood of developing their condition. So alopecia RADIO is also

(58:21):
linked to these genes involved in an immune response, which
is especially those within human energen human antigen complex. So
these genes create a predisposition also a kind of environmental
factors including stress, nutrition, autoimmune diesus disorders, genetics processes. They

(58:51):
also play a crucial role in triggering or influencing hair loss. Also, okay,
thank you mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Beyond medical treatments, how important is it for someone with
alopecia to find a community of people who understand their experience,
like support groups or.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Yeah, so I recommend contacting a certify here lost practitioner
join the alopecious support group. Actually, I I have a
alopecious support group on Facebook class Speak Alopecia, and I
post topics on there and there there's room for discussion

(59:40):
or if you want to, you can be anonymous and
you can ask a question on there and I'll answer it.
I respond, So you don't have to out there that
it can be anonymous and you just post a question
that you may have and out and O and I'll answer.
I'll respond back. But any kind of alopecia support groups
just my atmosphere is also nice. Whether women in there

(01:00:03):
are also experiencing it and they talk about it, the
results that they in, what they've done in the past.
So that's another thing too. The SMI depending on where
you where you go, and that's another thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Yeah, do you have any stories or feedback from patients
who found strength or healing through support groups, online communities
that you have with Facebook or working with specialists?

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
So I'm gonna use myself as a my my guests
that come to me as a specialist in that atmosphere.
I love to hear the results and the reviews I receive,
so that that I get a lot of feedback that way,
and also from my product line. That's another thing. I

(01:00:57):
just get feedback from the consumers and my guests in
the salon. That's that's that's what helps. And also on
Facebook posts. They see the Facebook and the Facebook posts
are I'm hoping that they inspire somebody because this is real.
So that's why I keep posting. Just keep on so

(01:01:18):
people can see that that I actually want to build
a community and do little groups. Eventually, I tried to
reach out and do something like that didn't but didn't
have any didn't have any luck. But I do want
to do I want to do little groups where and
we could talk about talk about our a PC where
they don't have to feel embarrassed because everybody's experiencing it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Would that, I'm sorry, would that be like a virtual
like like meet up like you all like a like
we'll say zoom or something like that, like where everybody
comes together privately. Think about that virtually?

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, I thought about that. I know I would like
to do it in in a personable setting where everybody
comes together and we show up and talk. Oh, we
meet each other. They meet each other, and that's what
I was hoping to do something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Okay, so in person or virtual options, either one will work.
That's good. That's a really good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
That's a really good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
I like it. Where do you see the future of
alopecia treatment going in the next five to ten years?
Are there any emerging technologies or breakthroughs that we should
be excited about?

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
So so, based on recent breakthroughs and statistics and ongoing research,
the future of alopecia treatment over the next five of
ten years will be defined by more targeted and effective therapies. Okay,
for example, for all the immune forms of hair loss
such as ALPC already any kind of regurnative medicine, any

(01:02:57):
kind of gene based approaches for any kind of conditions
like android genetic alopecia give an example. So hopefully this
will happen. And this is something that's been around for years,
but just nobody's never really talked about it until you
start doing it. But it's been around this that's been

(01:03:18):
around for years. I've seen their family members. I had it,
yahm and I experienced it myself. So it's been around.
It's been around.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
But I like how it's becoming more like of an
open topic to speak about now. It's not so hidden
and silent, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
And I'm starting to see women embracing their their octal talents.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
So there's a group of women on Facebook and they
actually they have a group of women who actually just
embraces their look on Facebook. And I chimed in and
I told them and specialists, I'm so happy to see this,
that's right, happy to see this like it. It became
a little bit it was, it's like beautiful. I love
to hear it. It's been around for years.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Yeah, and it will never go nowhere, unfortunately. Yeah, it
will never go nowhere. But we have treatments obviously that
will help uh try to combat this or work away
around it. For many Okay, I'm sorry for many hair
loss Okay, for many, hair loss isn't just an aesthetic concern.

(01:04:32):
It's often linked to deeper health issues. You already mentioned
some of this. Can you explain how alopecia can be
a symptom of other underlying conditions like autommune disorders. You
mentioned that earlier to kind of like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Yes, so like we would have to no, no, no, You're fine.
This this is a good this is a good one.

(01:05:05):
That's why I'm like, I'm like puzzle, like puzzle about it.
But this is a good this is a good and
a good question. So what happens is the autoimmune disorders
they start to again attack its own tissues. So then
it becomes alopeci alreadia, which is a common example when

(01:05:26):
the immune system is targeted by the here filecules, so
at leads to your loss in any any other associated conditions.
So somebody with alopecia readia, they often they often have
other auto immune conditions like diroid disease is one yes,
and also diabetes hype and diabetes is another one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Wow, diabetes is one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
I just put a post on Facebook and in regards
to thyroid thyroid and how the and how the how
hair loss affects the thyroid. So anytime someone says goes
to the facts or dermatone says I'm losing hair, first
check the thyroid, yes, thyroid, to make sure that everything's

(01:06:14):
good with the thyroid, because that's one cause of of
hair loss. Medication, i'm sorry, is another one. So always
that that's one question. And I asked my guests when
they come in and I do my consultation is if
there are any kind of medications, if they're pregnant, everything

(01:06:36):
of that nature that that's going to trigger, that's going
to trigger hair loss.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Also too, from personal experience, vitamin D I think might contribute.
I'm right, Angela, And also I'm iron Iron Iron is
a big one though, Iron I suffer from that. That
that was some some here I lost shutting and all that,
So I'm glad we're highlighting that too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Yeah, anything that attacks our immune system, it affects our hair.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Anything that attacks our immune system, that affects our hair. Yet,
so I have to say medication with medications will make
it feel better. It does, it does make it play
a big part in our hair loss. And some of
the medications. When you read the actual the fine print
when comes with their prescriptions, it'll stay in there. What

(01:07:25):
they called the side effect. Hair loss could be one
of them. It's always good to read, so you can
say that, but if you don't read it, and then
you start experiencing and saying, I don't know where it's
Atathing you're reading, you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Can say, oh, the medication exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Medications have blood pressure, medicine during medication is crossed. That's
why they say drink water with the medications too, so
you can flush.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Flush it, let it go through the body, Let it go.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
How do you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Approach treating patients with chronic forms of hair loss, especially
when it's related to an autoimmune disease. This is a
little different people of experience that first before we go on,
like with anybody with lupus or cancer, is this question
for you or.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
I did I am service one lady with cancer? Oh? Okay,
that was That's what I was speaking about. Her hair.
Her hair came in toick, her grew longer. But I did.
I did service her for a while up until unfortunately
she passed away. But but yeah, I did. I did

(01:08:29):
work with her, and she believed she was she was
my only over the years. I think she was the
only mon honesty over the years. Yeah, she was only one. Yeah,
she was the only one over the years.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Was there like any special treatments that you used for her?

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
No, she just got the conditioners, and we did a
style that didn't require any kind of heat. She just
wanted to endire like before, able to get like cron
iron and thing, you know like that. But but it didn't.
I didn't give any any styles that require heat and out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yeah heat, but she had like some like some model
form of paral loss, right mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
It wasn't. But then after after the after after she
got better and started to grow back in and yeah,
I watched I watched her go through the through the process. Yeah,
I wanted to go through the pros. Yeah, previously started
to change to gray all gray because gray doesn't have

(01:09:38):
any pigments, so he started to determine just to gray
to gray. Yeah yeah, but yeah, she was the only one.
So I think they're gonna have to make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
So what advice would you give someone just beginning to
notice signs of alopecia? How can they best navigate this
journey both emotionally and physically. We spoke about that earlier,
a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
So this is what I was. I talked about this earlier. Yeah,
when I start a small spot, make an appointment, yep,
to avoid defending area from becoming larger because it treated,
it's going to continue to grow. Set up a private consultation,
your documentation treatment in your regimen to see what the

(01:10:37):
progress is. That's what I recommend.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
And also too, I want to add on to I'm
not like Angela, but I would say, know your body.
Just know your body because you know it better than
anybody else does. So just know your body. Yep, I
add that on I'm not like Angela, but I'll add
that on. What are some of the most important things
people should consider when choosing a treatment plan for their

(01:11:04):
hair loss. You mentioned some of those two Also.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
A natural ingredient product line. Now we're now we're in
the vegan world. Yes, nice, Uh, always choose an on
natural ingredient product line. Make sure that your hair loss
goes realistic. So don't say, oh, I have I have
this hair loss going on, so it's gonna grow back
in the month. That's why when I saw my consumers,

(01:11:30):
I let them know that it depends on the situation.
Everybody is different. Yeah, so don't so I never say, oh,
you got like they some some some of my consumercy
results less than a month. However, I say, depending on
the situation. Getting on the issue. Some some see results

(01:11:52):
quicker than others. So I'm gonna say set. I'm saying
that to say, set a realistic goal, monitor and and
and monitor your progress in docum and that's what your
your certified specialists should be doing. Evidently I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Have you noticed any shifts in how society views alopecia,
especially with the rise of influencers or public figures who
openly embrace your loss. Jada Pinkett's one mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
I feel people don't take our p sciously, not knowing
how peatures in medical conditions audit immune disorder such as
our peacherre radio where the baldy's immune system attacked the
hero filecles like like I talked about earlier. So people again,
people don't take it seriously. It's out there, is real.
It's been going on for years. It's just unfortunate that

(01:12:46):
it's now coming to surface. I noticed it when I
the last a few years doing my product line, how
people want to get more educated on it because and
that's where I come in, and I want to educate
them one and I'm glad that Sofa Talk asked me
to do this podcast because people need to know. Yes,

(01:13:06):
but it doesn't define who you are. That's the thing.
It doesn't like who you are, does not don't let it.
There's options, there's so many options out here, unbelievable. It's
amazing how the times have changed few years. But I
would say, don't let it define you. Just hope. There's

(01:13:26):
so many options out here right now, there's so many recommendations,
whereas years ago, I know, growing up, there's probably was
one option and that was just way away. Yes, so
now there's so many out there where you can look
beautiful and feel so many, so many, so many. Yeah,

(01:13:48):
good question. Also also hormonal and balances. We talked about
that earlier. Medications getics. I'm just giving my always a
permanent condition, and treatments are available to help the hair,
to help restore the hair or slow down the hair loss.

(01:14:11):
So that's why it's important to consult with someone to
proper diagnose. Yes, so you can't go on YouTube and say, okay,
they said do this now, go to a specialist to listen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Listen, but she's saying.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Go to aist.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
What role, Well, I can't wait talk about this. I'm
going to chime into what role do wigs, extensions or
other non medical solutions play in helping individuals regain confidence
while managing alopecia.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
Mm hmm. Being able to pick the style and the
hair that they like, uh, to their beauty. That's that's
one thing that I do like that plays a role
in that the help regain because remember they're picking out
what they like and and and they're just coming into
a professional to get it installed. So this is the

(01:15:09):
heir they picked and then and then and then of
course they do the console before they go purchase their
hair because sometimes you have to say, no, how about
if you get this because you want it to look pretty,
you want to look nice. Yeah, men, the same thing,
they're going to get a unit that's going to the
tools to what their hair texture was, so that you know,
nobody can really you know tell you. They will be

(01:15:29):
able to tell, but at least it'll be something like
what they had, you know there there their own their texture.
So that's the that's the fun part about that is
for them to be able to pick what they like
and and have it style to essentially to still make
them feel good and we gain confidence. That's the main
thing while maintaining alopecia. Nobody won't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:50):
Nobody want to exactly, and I was going to add
that this is the old joke. So the wigs that
are out today, y'all, the wigs that are today are
not like how they were back in the days, back
in mama's days, grandma's days, great grandma's days, aunties, great on.
These wigs are looking stylish. They look natural. Now, you
know what I'm saying, You can't even tell. So that's

(01:16:12):
a good thing. I'm gonna Say'm gonna add them to that.
The wigs are not the same and they were back
in the day. They are cute, They are cute, but
they could also lead to hair loss, FYI. They could
also lead to hair loss. And just like how I'm sorry,
like Angela had mentioned with lace front wigs, those being used.

(01:16:33):
So my take on that is they're so beautiful and
they do look realistic. But my only fear with that
or concern with that is when they're being used constantly,
when you really don't have to really wear those, I
think after some time you would get a hair loss,
You would get a receding hairline as a result of
using that, and they're not properly applied on also, that

(01:16:56):
could be a contribution to the hair loss as well.
So I think that's very important, and I kind of
feel like those kind of wigs lace front wigs should
be used for people with like lupus or with the
cancer patients. That is my take for that. With the
lates front wigs, they're beautiful, but constant neans of it

(01:17:17):
if you don't need to nah, I say no.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
And oh, the last question here, y'all, how important is
self acceptance and healing? I'm sorry, I'm gonna reread that again.
How important is self acceptance in the healing process for
those with alopecia and how can individuals embrace their new
look confidently hm?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
So, of course alope support groups, watching what you eat,
contact a certified specialist m HM. Also maintaining the wig
unit of their choice, m keep of it to feel
and still listend. Yeah, that's those are always. But of

(01:18:13):
course the healing process is being able to talk about it.
You know, we talk things out, heal from it. So
the important part is that talk about it and not
to not to go through it alone. And that's why
I started that support group on Facebook under speak Alopecia. Yes,

(01:18:34):
so Alopecia Support Group is what it's called the Facebook.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Nice nice, nice. Thank you so much for answering those questions.
And I'm educating all of us and myself included on
this topic. No, thank you so much. And you're special.
You're the first. You're special. This is your time now
to brag about your hair care products real quick before
we end the show. We're about to about the show up.

(01:19:03):
Let us know about your all natural ingredient hair care
products in any of your social media handles. To shout
that out right now, in any email inquiry where people
can email you for consultations or anything like that, whether
you want to do for free or paid, you know,
go ahead now, this is your time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
So my hair, my hair loss, hair growth product line
is all natural product line. All my products promote hair growth.
They're all natural ingredients. I have three kinists who who
have listened to me and actually infused good ingredients through

(01:19:42):
by using the farmers that they use to two to
help with the process of making them the payment talks.
Sorry that helped that assist with the with the formulations.
So I have shampoos, conditioners, hair maintenance products. I have

(01:20:05):
two hair growth products. I also have hair growth products
for men. I have beard oil for men. Yeah, I
have top sellers. My product line is a five star
company right now, which is nice. You can also purchase
on Walmart dot com. Yeah, I'm local delivery, I stip Yeah.

(01:20:27):
Also I have flat irons, coral irons.

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Wow, the O, no and.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
Yeah and again hair maintenance products about about I have
about twenty twenty products, but you can. You can also
go to my Facebook page with Jewels Hair prole Cues
and my email address is Jewels the number four the
letter you at mail dot com. Again Jewels j E

(01:20:57):
W E l Z number four you at mail dot com.
My My social media handles are Jewels Hair Roots and
Filecules LLC.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Okay also too, I'm gonna mention too, I think she
loves something out. This is very important her her hair
care product line. It's catered to every single person, every race,
every age, It's catered to everybody. So I want to
mention that it's it's not just for black or African
American people. It's for every all hair types. Dis mm hm,

(01:21:40):
it's for it's for everybody, not just just one group
of people. It's for everybody that works. Also too, I'm
gonna shout this out too if you want to make
orders for your home, you know, for your own self.
I use her products for my hair at home. Any
salon people, cosmetologists, any barbers, hairstylists. She can do orders

(01:22:01):
also for you all to send to your salon. You're
gonna love the products. Cosmetology schools or barber schools. Hit
her up, you know she got bulk or she has
I'm sorry, she has bulk orders. You want to go ahead,
you know, an order from her too, So anybody commercial
you know things like that, she has bulk orders. I
think she left that out and I wanted to mention that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Thank you yea, yep, you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Yeah, I want to mention that. And I'm what I'm
going to do. I'm going to put the information in
the show description notes, so just look at that also
because we always do description notes for our episodes, so
I will put that in there as well, like her
contact information, where to follow her at or where to
find her at. So I thank you so much Angela

(01:22:45):
again for just providing us with this information in the
knowledge that you have and experience and expertise. Thank you
so much for that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
Thank you, thank you, thank you to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
You all.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Any question to just let me know be more than happy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
To answer them absolutely. And I'm gonna wrap up here, y'all.
So Seven's not here, so I have to talk on
his behalf. Thank you to everyone for following us on
social media, which is Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Thank you
so much. If you don't follow us, thank you for
the engagement you provide us on our posts, our means,

(01:23:24):
our videos. Thank you all so so much. Thank you.
And if you're not following us, if you want to
follow us, we like followers follow us there. We also
have We tell you all this every episode. We also
have our own website now you can go to Sofa
Talk so fa tawk dot com. Thank you for listening

(01:23:46):
to our special episode today, hair loss not self Worth.
Are you facing a dilemma or issue and you need
advice from seven Tone, feel free to write to the
dear Sofa Talk letter at Sofa Talk at gmail dot com.
That is s o Fa Tawk at gmail dot com

(01:24:07):
and we can see how we can help you. Our
next episode, this is going to be a touchy subject.
This is about addiction, y'all. Ver it hits close to
home with I'm sure all of us. The title will
be Faces of Addiction that will air next month in
October on either the eleventh, eighteenth, or twenty fifth, in
honor of Substance Abuse Awareness Month. Please subscribe, like, follow, share, comment,

(01:24:33):
or leave a review. Wherever you're listening, We are available
on multiple podcast directories. Remember the talk. We'll have you
talking on the sofa. Goodbye, until next time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Did the ship stitches it st