In this episode, I sit down with Jenni Finley, the energetic force behind Business by Design. You may know her fiancé and my business coach, James Wedmore, from last season’s episode. But today, Jenni shares the magic behind the scenes of the seven figure business they run together, the life they now share, and how courageous alignment unlocks your highest timeline.
If you’ve ever wondered how to bridge spiritual tools with real-world results—this one’s for you.
No gatekeeping: You’ll find all the ways to connect with Jenni (and James) in the show notes below.
What we talk about:
• Jenni's Irish and Native American heritage and growing up with an identical twin naturally connected her to spirituality from childhood
• How Jenni combines NLP, meditation techniques, and spiritual practices in Business by Design
• The power of spoon bending as a tangible demonstration that your energy affects physical reality
• Jenni and James' 20-year soulmate journey from college sweethearts to business collaborators and life partners
• The dream that revealed their soul contract
• Lightworker's role in 2025 and beyond
• Why integrating spirituality with business creates authentic alignment and prevents burnout
Links and Resources
- Jenni Finley's Instagram
- James Wedmore's Instagram
- Jenni and James on the Mind Your Business Podcast: On Dream Interpretation with Dream Expert J.M. DeBord
- Register for The Rise of the Digital CEO, James and Jenni's annual FREE 3 day event.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Next up on Soul Level , human.
The strategy is so importantand you do want a great coach
that can tell you what to do.
The strategy is like the engineand the mindset, the woo-woo,
the energy is the fuel.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's go time.
It's time to activate everybodyand get people in touch with
exactly what they're here to do,and that's why I believe in
this work so strongly, becausewe have such an aligned mission.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I had this dream where I was in an Egyptian hall
and we had a conversation thatwas about our soul contract and
we both agreed we won't betogether in every single
lifetime because we have toallow each other to grow.
But James said to me if anyoneever hurts you, I will find you.
(00:50):
And I woke up and was bawling.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You didn't come here to play safe.
You came to remember your powerand build what comes next.
I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychicmedium and intuition coach, and
this is Soul Level Human.
I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychicmedium and intuition coach, and
this is Soul Level Human thepodcast for truth tellers, cycle
breakers and soul-ledrevolutionaries.
You didn't come here to bypassthe chaos.
You came here to lead throughit.
(01:19):
You might remember, last year Ihad my business coach, james
Wedmore, on the podcast, andtoday I get to bring you the
other half of the frequency thathad my business coach, james
Wedmore, on the podcast, andtoday I get to bring you the
other half of the frequency thatchanged my business and my life
Jenny Finley.
Together, james and Jenny arethe heart of Business by Design,
a container built on strategy,service, intuition and soul.
(01:40):
Jenny brings the energeticblueprint, the deep inner work
and a presence that activateseveryone around her, with
tangible tools and realexperiences that expand what you
believe is possible.
Let's dive in.
Jenny Finley, I'm so excitedyou're here.
Welcome to Soul Level Human.
(02:01):
I'm so excited, so excited tobe here.
Let me just start by saying wehave someone in common that I
met at BBD Live in 2023, bycoincidence, right, uh-huh,
kelsey Kennedy.
Oh my gosh, I knew you weregoing to say.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Kelsey yeah.
As soon as you said that, I waslike it's going to be Kelsey
yeah, it's theater kids.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Right Theater kids.
We're just taking over theworld a little bit at a time.
It's so funny because, okay,I'm going to go into this whole
thing, but just give me a second, I'll get there.
Before I signed up for BBD, Ihadn't heard of you or James at
all.
First of all, by somecoincidence I keep saying
coincidence, because we all knowthat doesn't exist I found the
(02:40):
Mind your Business podcast and Iwas like hold on, wait a second
.
What Business and energetics?
I'm in, right.
So then I was like okay,business by design is opened.
Checking with my guides, it's ahell.
Yes, okay, great, literallygoing in blind.
Okay, it's a yes, great, let'sgo.
So I go in.
I'm also in this other programand we're like who's going to be
(03:01):
at BBD live in December?
Let's meet up.
And I hadn't done this otherprogram at all, but something
intuition also said sign up forthat program too.
So I did.
At BBD Live, in a room ofprobably about 1,000 people, I
ended up by coincidence quoteunquote sitting next to this
person who happened to be theone person who said let's meet
(03:23):
up.
This is like a group of likemaybe five people.
First of all, okay, and then,second of all.
I'm in my little line with mydrink ticket that first night,
and then this girl comes overand she's like hi, I'm Kelsey,
are you Sylvia?
She was in this group too, andwe just kind of gravitated
towards each other as if bymagic.
We're really good friends tothis day, kelsey and I, and I'm
(03:45):
even going to go see hertomorrow.
She just had a baby.
I'm so excited to get to meether.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So all of this to say there's something magical that
you guys are doing at BBD.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's a very special environment.
I look forward to that eventevery year.
James jokes like, should wekeep doing it?
And I'm like we have to keepdoing it.
It's my favorite, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You have to keep doing it.
I won't let you guys listen1-800-SYLVIA, and I will talk
you guys back into it.
Yeah, decides to not do it.
Yeah, oh my God.
So and here's my second partthat I said I was going to get
to.
I'm like I said I walked incold.
I was like this feels like ahell.
Yes, I don't know what I'm herefor.
(04:28):
I know, obviously, like I'mhere for the business, training
and whatever, but there wassomething else.
And so I walk in and here youcome in your hot pink blazer and
I was like, oh, who is this?
And everybody's like on theirfeet like yeah, jenny.
And I was like who is thisJenny chick?
And so you start talking andI'm like full body chills.
I was like, oh, so I came toBBD for James Wedmore, but I'm
(04:50):
staying for Jenny Finley.
Ah, stop it, I love it.
Full body chills, full bodychills.
Seriously, look at this, oh myGod.
So, since we're so close today,I cannot wait to just dive deep
into all the things with you.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yes, we today.
I cannot wait to just dive deepinto all the things with you.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yes, we can talk for hours.
We probably could.
We're on purpose limiting thisto like about an hour for
everybody else's sake.
I feel like we have so muchmore to go over.
But okay, just to set up thescene.
Family of origin.
Was this energetic side ofthings already in your language?
Did you discover it at somepoint?
What was that for you?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So what's become my specialty niche, which is
energetics and meditation and,in James's company, bridging the
gap between business andintuition.
It evolved over time.
My family is Irish, nativeAmerican, on both sides in fact,
(05:52):
and my mom's side of the familythe Native American heritage
was passed down and we wereencouraged to be really in touch
with our spirituality and ourintuitive nature.
And I'm an identical twin and Iyou're.
It's hard, you're hard pressed,to find identical twins that
don't have some sort of psychicexperience just naturally built
(06:15):
in.
So I think, growing up bothwith a very psychic, clairvoyant
mom in a family that has NativeAmerican heritage and is really
connected to that, uh, thatlike the connecting to spirit
and and being able tocommunicate with each other
non-verbally, plus my twinsister, and then when I grew up,
(06:38):
um, I got really interested instudying all the world religions
.
Really we were raised Christianand then I just I started
delving into all differentreligions, healing modalities,
meditation techniques, fromabout 17 to well, still present,
but like 17 to 20 yearobsession really with like how
(07:01):
many books can I read, how manyteachers can I find, what
courses can I take, whatexperiences can I have?
A kindred spirit, yeah, tounderstand, and I was really
like I dabbled in everything.
I became a Reiki master, I didmeditation schools, I studied
Buddhism.
I'm a yoga teacher.
I've read tons of books on thesubject and it's just kind of.
(07:24):
My favorite conversation is howhuman beings experience God.
That's how I approached it waslike what our spirituality is
all around, like what is thisexperience that we have of our
innate divinity?
But also how we access divinityand how we are connected.
And yet we feel separatesometimes, but we're all
(07:46):
connected, like what you startedwith when we started the call.
Just like these moments ofsynchronicity, of like what is
that?
What are the laws of theuniverse that are governing that
?
Why is energy responding tothat?
And now, since coming back intoJames's life, I work with a
shaman and I've always just beenriveted by that subject matter
in general.
(08:06):
So I'm a student of that firstand foremost.
And then, when I startedteaching yoga, I found I had a
gift for being able tocommunicate concepts to people
in a way where they weregrasping them or they were able
to connect dots.
I think that's one thing thatmy brain does really well.
(08:27):
Is I connect dots well?
I remember one of my professorsin college.
I wrote a paper on theChristian Beatitudes connecting
to the Buddhist Eightfold Path.
Oh, that's awesome.
My brain will make connections.
And so that became a strongsuit of mine, and when I decided
(08:49):
that I really wanted to hone myintuition more beyond my
immediate family, I starteddeveloping like a system for
myself of how I was expanding myintuition.
And now I teach that.
But it came out of it's thatTim Ferriss expression like
scratch your own itch.
But it came out of it's thatTim Ferriss expression like
scratch your own itch.
Everything that I teach now hascome out of, like my own
(09:11):
enchantment with that particulararena of philosophy or
spirituality.
And James and I there's such amagic to that, jenny, yeah, yeah
, I think that that's honestly.
I think it's like a hack oflike what do you want to teach
or offer people?
It's like teach them whatyou're fascinated with.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
What are you excited about?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I just had a really good conversation with a
friend and a student in businessby design about that too.
It's a concert trumpet playerand now she teaches people how
to make music synth music andshe was talking about like it
just opened a door for me when Ilearned it and I thought, oh, I
can open this door for otherpeople.
So that's really what got mestarted on it.
And James and I are collegesweethearts.
(09:46):
So the same time that I metMiss Kelsey I met James Wedmore
and ironically, james and I havehad, even though we're college
sweethearts.
So we dated really seriously inour 20s and then broke up and
we were friends for 10 years butwe were living these like oddly
parallel lives, like everythingI was learning to develop at my
(10:09):
former company he was doing inhis company and when we came
back together as a couple hejust kind of inserted me into
the business and was like whydon't you do that, do that for
me now?
So I run his marketingdepartment but I also teach at
the live events to infuse all ofthat spirituality, meditation,
all the woo-woo stuff, theintuition, just kind of like a
(10:30):
passion project, you know,turned career.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's so cool.
Yeah, that's what's so coolabout it, because I mean, you
have this whole life path rightand you're grabbing from here,
you're grabbing from there andit's just, it's this perfect,
beautiful mix of exactly whatyour medicine is for this world,
like and in in the, in thelittle capsule of business, like
, oh, you think you're taking abusiness course, here you go we
(10:53):
are, you're going to learn allthe things you need, but like
also, here's the, here's thething underneath you're also
getting, oh, so good, myfavorite thing about it is that
um cause I did a lot of thiswork when I was working for my
company in a bigger corporationand big companies.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
A lot of them have personal development departments
and because that's so essentialfor just workplace happiness
and team bonding and dynamics.
But what's so special aboutbusiness by design is that
getting to do this type of workwith entrepreneurs everyone
who's in business by designthey've produced a product
around something that theyreally feel like is their inner
(11:29):
work, usually like it's likewhat's what they're here on the
planet to deliver, and so, in away, it's like connecting people
into their dharma of likewhat's going to make you feel
the most fulfilled.
So like, of course, this workgoes so well with that, because
how could it not?
It's like kind of your soul'sexpression of what you want to
teach people and how you want tohelp.
(11:50):
So it's really a privilege toget to lead that type of work
inside of Business by Design andwhat James has created.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
That's so cool and I love too that it doesn't shy
away from the energetics and theinner work and like the
important stuff, because anybodycan teach strategy Really, like
anybody can teach funnels, likethat's the easy side.
Actually, this part is okay.
Well, how are you showing upand what impact are you having
(12:18):
and are you intentional with howyou're speaking to people and
how you're supporting themthrough anything?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And I mean that's where the magic is you know what
that brought up to me, thatI've never really connected the
dot of that before, but I thinkgrowing up my experience of
myself was that I was never theone that had all of the natural
talent or necessarily was ableto be the one in the room that
(12:44):
was the most strategic, but Icould be the one that had the
best mindset and I found thatthat gave me a leg up in so many
circumstances.
Sports comes to mindimmediately.
I remember having a moment whenI finished my high school
volleyball career.
I was the captain of a statechampionship volleyball team and
(13:06):
really had no business likebeing in that role.
You know what I mean Like whenyou look at like natural ability
, talent, height, build.
You know I wasn't the bestplayer on the team, but I
learned a lot from a young agethat your mindset, your
mentality, your attitude, howyou approach things, all of the
(13:27):
energetics around what youbelieve you can do it can
actually yield the result thatyou want.
You know so.
So I think that's like whatcame up when you said that is
that, like, the strategy is soimportant and you don't do.
You want a great coach and agreat expert that can tell you
what to do, but then the fuelthat's behind that, that is that
(13:50):
you know you need thestrategies like the engine and I
was going to say the same thingExactly.
The mindset, the, the woo, woo.
The energy is the fuel and youcan have a perfect car.
You don't have gas in the tank,it's not going anywhere.
So that's how I look at it.
Is they work so well togetherand they're both so?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
important.
That's spot on.
And, to be honest, likeeverybody's doing this, but not
consciously, like you can tellthe people who have worked on
their energy right, but they'reshowing up a little messy and
it's just a little off, like youcan tell.
And I just love how BBD givesyou the language for that and
(14:28):
also gives you the support thatyou need in that category too,
because I've never felt oh myGod, I'm going to cry.
I'm in next level this year andI had a crash out earlier this
year.
I'm in a browner body.
The world is absolutely upsidedown.
I have a background, my dad'sfrom El Salvador.
He has experiences where hisfamily was in danger, and so
(14:51):
I've been processing a lot andcoming back with this podcast
this season.
It was like, okay, can I handleall good?
So sorry, I have two and twokids.
It's crazy.
I'm sure you saw Cole climbingall over me on the last call.
That's what we're doing.
(15:14):
So I'm just like processinglayers upon layers of like grief
and terror and ancestral traumaand all of this stuff and then
going back in with the podcastagain, like can I really handle
going back in again?
What if I fail again?
What if my support systems fallapart again.
What if I?
You know what if what, if what,if what, if what if it was all
(15:35):
so loud and sitting with thecoaches?
I have no words for the supportthat I felt in that container
over and over and over again,just so consistently, and it's
been such a gift to be able tomove through so much darkness to
(15:57):
come out now the other side,and nothing on the external has
changed.
In fact, it's gotten a lotdarker since I was having those
crash outs a couple months ago,right, but now it's like oh no,
it's go time.
Oh, I'm getting full bodychills, it's go time.
It's time to activate everybodyand get people in touch with
exactly what they're here to do.
(16:18):
And that's why I believe inthis work so strongly, because
we have such an aligned mission.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, I feel we talk about this a lot that,
like I, I'm a deep believer inum.
Whatever time you chose to comeback on the to the planet.
That was not a coincidence.
So, like all of us are here tobe here in this time, however,
whatever it presents and howeverhard it may be, and it's the
(16:46):
ones that are really like hereto be in their work and help
others.
That is what we're here to doand make a difference, and
having a business on theinternet can be a really dark,
scary place.
I've constantly flabbergasted bythe comments and the energy
that people bring to theinternet.
So it does take a lot ofcourage and I think that the
(17:16):
support of having people aroundyou who are in the same business
and who are facing the samefears and doubts and concerns
and coming together and tacklingthem together it's it's the
biggest surprise benefit that Ihear over and over and over.
A business by design is thecommunity that you.
You can't appreciate how lonelyit can feel running your own
digital business when you don'thave this group of digital
(17:40):
entrepreneurs and there.
What's unique, I think, aboutit is that there are.
I was thinking about this todaybecause, as digital business
becomes.
I think we're at the edge of abubble, like we're.
It's about digital businessit's just kind of keep getting
bigger and bigger and bigger,and that there's going to be
more and more courses offeredonline and people having digital
products, and so with that isgoing to come all these
different options for how youlearn it or who you learn,
(18:04):
funnels and ad campaigns and allof the strategy from, and I
think what James has done areally good job in doing.
That's so unique is curatingthe community and attracting
incredible people together.
I'm always blown away by when Igo to a BBD event or a next
level event and there's anywherefrom 200 to 1,000 people in the
(18:27):
room, and I can't think of atime when I've bumped into a
human and been like, oh no, Ican't.
No, no, I don't talk to you.
You know what I mean there'slike a lot of amazing people in
there.
It's really special.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, with huge missions and big hearts and just
like this drive to do somethinggood in the world and
contribute in a really positiveway.
So special.
And to that let me just pivotreal quick to spoon bending,
because at BBD.
Live, we do some magical thingsin addition to learning.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Okay, honey, I'm recording a podcast.
Oh, you are?
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Hi James.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Anyway, spoon bending .
So spoon bending, okay.
So I like, I said, like samething.
I am a voracious reader, I likeresearch, I am a nerd, right,
and I love, I love finding newthings to learn, right.
So I went to BBD Live in 2023and I had never done any spoon
(19:33):
bending.
So I was like what, this isawesome.
So I went in, I did the wholething and I had this whole
push-pull I, if I don't bend it,it's going to be okay because
it doesn't mean anything aboutme and so, whatever.
So I bent it once.
Here's the spoon for anybodywho's watching on video.
Here's what I was able to do.
(19:54):
And I was so proud of myself, Iwas so grateful Falling.
I showed up, I'm doing thisthing, I'm here live and I was
happy, content.
And then we opened our eyes andwe started sharing and I
started seeing what's possibleand that's so powerful being in
rooms like that, because you canabsolutely be pleased and proud
(20:14):
and content with what you'rebringing to the table.
But there's always more tolearn, to experience, to just be
witness to, and I mean I wasseeing people like, with the
zigzags and the curlicues,that's what's possible here,
okay.
So then we came back last yearand I was like all right, I'm
going to play some more.
(20:34):
So I was able to get a zigzag.
So, okay, it's not about thespoon, it's about yourself and
it's about what you believe ispossible, right?
So cut to the crash out earlierthis year, bawling, bawling,
feeling all my feelings, beingin the fear, transmuting all the
things, just like letting ittake me over.
(20:56):
And then I was like hey, whatare you trying to teach me?
And they were like it's time toreclaim your power.
I was like, okay, great, buthow, though?
And then my eyes went to mycollection of spoons and it was
like oh, you think that you needto be in a room full of a
thousand people with loud musicand a meditative experience to
(21:18):
access that level of power?
Get up and do that right now.
And so I did.
I did this one.
Oh, my gosh, wow, I did thisone.
And then I was like okay, butthese, but these are smaller
spoons and I have smaller hands.
(21:39):
What if it was just da, da, da,da, da?
So I went down to the kitchen,yeah, and I, and I got just a
regular big spoon.
And I got just a regular bigspoon, but I bent this thing too
, like I was like no, I am goingto do it.
I did it and I was like okay,it's not the room, it's me.
Yes, yes, I am powerful.
(21:59):
Yes, I am powerful and I canaffect energy and I do create my
own reality, and it's time toremember that.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Isn't that?
So I mean, that's yeah, that'sit.
Spoonbending found me in such acrazy serendipitous way, james
and I is one of obviously one ofour favorite movies is the
Matrix of all time.
And there's that scene in theMatrix where the little boy,
when he's going to see theOracle, it's not the spoon that
(22:25):
bends, it's you that bend.
And so I love that scene.
And when James and I broke upin our late twenties, I had
moved back to Texas and I was sosad because all of my spiritual
community and teachers andthere was someone that I was
apprenticing with in Los Angelesand it was like all my network
of that I was apprenticing within Los Angeles and it was like
(22:48):
all my network of healers wereback in California and I was
just praying to the universe Godsend me my next pathway.
And my mom and I found thisflyer out one day I don't even
remember where we stumbled uponit, in the middle of the road,
as one of my friends says and itsaid spoon bending workshop.
And I look at my mom and I golike the matrix and we're like,
okay, let's go to that.
(23:10):
And the woman who was teachingit is her name is Heather Ash
and she was the apprentice ofDon Miguel Ruiz, who wrote the
four agreements and the masteryof love, those beautiful books.
And when I walked into theworkshop she.
There was only about 40 peoplethere, but she was in the middle
of the room with a fork and shewas pulling the prongs back on
(23:32):
the fork with one finger.
It was just like, and I wasjust enchanted, you know, and so
I decided that's my next personthat I'm learning from and take
her course and do firewalkingand spoon bending with her, and
that's it's so cool.
It's like a.
It comes out of the conceptthat's in almost all indigenous
(23:53):
sacred cultures that your energycan affect matter.
And whether that's learning towalk on hot coals or walk
through fire or bending metal,the spoon bending is just a
reflection of the way that we'reable to shift our energetic
state and then affect thephysical world around us.
And when I pitched, we werethrowing out crazy ideas for BBD
(24:17):
Live.
When we were coming, we hadn'tdone BBD Live in several years
because of COVID, so when wewere coming back to we're going
to do it live again, we werethrowing out like what's the
craziest, craziest ideas youcould think of?
And it was like we could have acrystal shop in the lobby.
And then I was like we could dospoon bending and James was
like wait, wait, would you wantto do spoon bending and I was
(24:38):
like, yeah, well, I mean, with athousand people, we're going to
have to warm it up over theyear and I want to experiment
with it first.
So he let me like test it outon all different groups of
people.
I think we did it like with 22people, and then we did it with
a hundred, and then we did itwith 200 and then we did it with
the whole room.
So now it's become a staple inBBD that we do that every year,
(24:59):
and every year it's just likeone of my most favorite
experiences because the energyin the room I was talking to
someone last year that said hefelt like he was getting in his
head about whether or not he wasgoing to bend the spoon.
And then he had this momentwhere he just went like you know
what, I don't even care, I'mjust going to put the spoon down
and be in this energy field.
(25:19):
And he just had the bestexperience without even touching
the spoon, because he was justresonating with the levels of
love and gratitude andpossibility that are happening
in that one hour period of timewhere we're meditating.
And yeah, it's become one of myyear highlights.
(25:42):
I think it's so fun, so cool.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's so fun and so magical and I don't want to
scare anyone off you just saidan hour of meditation.
It's not like that.
It doesn't feel like that.
It feels like you blink andthat's it.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, when I started studying meditation James and I
also, when we were 24, maybe 25,we got really into
neuro-linguistic programming,because when I start reading
books of people that seem toknow a lot about energy mindset
and peak performance, I startgoing well, now, who taught them
(26:17):
and what do they know that Idon't know?
And where did they go to school?
And neuro-linguisticprogramming emerged as the root
of some of my favorite authorsand speakers, and so I found the
founder is still teaching andwent over to London and got to
take his certification course,and when you're studying with
him, he does a lot of meditativeexperiences that are rooted in
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the neurolinguistics, inhypnosis or open eye, trance
induction, and he was able toput people in these positive
emotional states, and so I gotreally fascinated with bridging,
like how do we bring yoga andpranayama and these ancient
meditation techniques with someof the neuro-linguistic things?
(27:03):
That helps people be able tomeditate for longer periods of
time, because it feels like it'sjust like a blip.
And that's probably my mostfavorite compliment is when
people tell me I've never beenable to meditate, but I can do
your meditations.
Yeah, and I think that's whereNLP pairs so well is because the
process for spoon bending, Ithink, is just over.
(27:25):
It's about 30 minutes.
But when people I'm queuing itthe whole time and when they
come out of it they're like thatwas 30 minutes.
I thought that was there's noway.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, and so it's.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
it's really cool, that's my other.
I geek out on that of like, howcan we add in it's so good.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's just so good for longer.
Yeah, so powerful.
Okay, A hard pivot you wentover you just mentioned.
You broke up with James andthen you went on your own life
path and now you're back.
Yes, there's a lot thathappened in there, Spiritually,
I feel like.
I mean, if you're as keyed inas you are, it makes sense that
(28:03):
you were together and I couldsee from my perspective, because
I had a similar path on my end.
When there's a split and youknow this to be true how do you
reconcile the reality notmatching?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
what you know.
It's such a good conversation.
I met James when I was 20.
And since I was little, Ialways believed I would meet my
person by the time I was 21.
I think part of that was Iromanticized my parents and they
met when my mom was 21.
So I grew up with like I'mgoing to meet him when I'm 21.
(28:39):
But I also just had a knowing.
And when I met James, my twinsister set us up on a blind date
.
So my twin picked him and whenI met him I was like and that's
my husband.
But we were so young, we were incollege at the time he was like
big man on campus, one of thecool kids at the school, and he
was the president of afraternity and and I think I
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really wanted, I was so readyfor I was one of those people
where I was like I didn't careif it was he was my first
boyfriend and I did not care.
One and done.
I'm like first boyfriend, I'llmarry him.
But he was more of like atypical young man that wants to
have experiences and not be thatserious, and so that was always
our when we were younger.
That was always our challengewas I was ready for something
(29:23):
serious and he wasn't quiteready.
So then I had to grapple withwell, do I want to be with
someone who's not really ready,or is that like mean that we're
not a match?
And when, um, so we would likewe've dated in college, we broke
up and then, I think five yearslater, we started dating again.
But we had become like Monicaand Chandler, like we were like
best best friends me, james andMichael Alanis, whom I'm sure
(29:46):
you know through next level heis still one of James's coaches
and we all work together.
We would all hang out.
And then one night I was like,oh, I'm going to have to tell my
best friend that I'm in lovewith them.
And then he was like I'm inlove with you.
So it was perfect timing and itwas like so then we were dating
.
And then we broke up again,mostly because kind of similar
things.
Ironically, he told me that hedidn't.
(30:08):
He, I related to everything inmy life as a spiritual path, a
spiritual problem, and he hadtrouble doing that as a, as a
younger man, like 28.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And he was like all the way left.
Brain strategy yes.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And he was like I love the, I love you and I love
that you are that way.
I don't know that I'm evergoing to approach my life from.
I want a deep relationship withGod.
I want everything to be aspiritual path.
You know what I mean.
And so I struggled with thatbecause I really felt like if I
was going to marry someone, Iwanted to know that the
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agreement to be married was me,that person and God, and that
conversation felt like it wasn'treally present at the time.
Now that we circle back, werealized that in our youth we
actually just weren't very goodat communicating and it wasn't
actually that we had anunderstanding of why we were
breaking up.
(31:06):
So now we look back on it andwe're like we were idiots.
We never should have broken upthat was just a big
misunderstanding.
So cute, yeah, yeah.
But what happened was we wentour separate ways and it really
shook me up because, intuitively, I had so much certainty over
that's my person and I thoughtlike, well, okay, if our star
(31:26):
charts make sense, people who doour human design tell us we
make perfect sense.
People who are personalityexperts meet us and say we make
perfect sense.
So when we broke up, I was likeyou know what, maybe love isn't
real.
I literally went to a place oflike I'm done with serious love.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
What other possible conclusion is there at that
point.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, but I, but I, really in my heart, I deeply
desired to be married, to be tohave a partner, to have someone
that I'm going to walk throughlife with and not just like
someone that we live our ownseparate lives.
I and not everyone, wants this.
I wanted to be with someonethat, like we really build a
life and a career together whichI know not everyone wants and
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we meet couples all the time.
That's like I would never workwith my husband and I'm like
I've always wanted that, that'swhat I, that's what I wanted.
So I would ask, I would go onthese walks and ask my guidance
when am I going to meet myperson?
And they would say back to meyou've already met him and my
mom and I would just go throughthe Rolodex of like every male
(32:31):
that had ever.
What friend is this a friend?
Is it someone who I crossedtheir path and then we'll get
back together?
And, uh, by the time James and Ireconnected, it was.
It was so kismet.
He had exited his marriagerelationship when he married
(32:52):
someone else.
I thought he's gone forever,because I know this man.
He's so committed and he's solike his word is his bond day
that I saw he got married, I wasbawling Hysterically, had my
best friend come over and waslike I have to throw away our
first date pictures I've beenholding on to them.
Yeah, it was awful.
But then it was almost 10 yearslater to the date that he,
(33:19):
unbeknownst to me, he had lefthis marriage and then reached
out to me and said how are youdoing?
You doing okay.
And then reached out to me andsaid how are you doing?
You doing okay?
And I said no, I had gotten outof a very hurtful relationship
that I was in therapy at PTSDfor and I was like you know, I'm
using all my spiritual NLPtricks to get over this
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heartache and grief and PTSD.
And he said why don't you comeon out to Sedona?
It's like spiritual Holy land,your family's Native American.
It's Holy land for the nativeAmericans.
You're going to love it here,had you?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
not been there yet?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
No, no, he and I planned to go to Sedona in 2008.
I told him about it and wenever went.
He went on his own and in like2014 or something like that.
But no, I had never been.
But I had been dreaming aboutred rocks.
(34:13):
So what's crazy is that I washaving these intuitive dreams
where I kept seeing red rocksand I'm a big Indiana Jones fan,
so I just assumed it wasMonument Valley, the opening of
Indiana Jones' last crusade.
So I had two weeks vacation offfrom my job and I had planned
to go camp in Monument Valleywith my dog.
And then James called me andsaid do you want to come to
Sedona?
And I said aren't there redrocks in Sedona?
(34:34):
Isn't it like big red rocks?
And he was like, yeah, and I'mlike I think I've been dreaming
about that.
I'm going to come visit you intwo weeks.
And he was like Jen, I haveinvited so many friends to come
visit me in 2020.
And no one has ever said I'llbe there in 10 days.
But I remember driving out andhaving this energy hit me of
like, what do I do if I'm stillin love with this man?
(34:56):
And my mom was so cute.
She was like you just turnaround, you come back home.
Because at that time I didn'tknow what his relationship
status was.
And anyway, when we reconnectedit was like no time has passed
and we could not believe that itwas like the universe just
brought us back together.
He said he texted me randomlybecause pretty much the moment
(35:20):
that he got out of his marriagehe started seeing me in
meditation and he would hear myname and then his mom and his
sister started dreaming about meand they're super intuitive too
, which of course it makes sense.
And they were like well, weweren't going to reach out
because we knew what was goingon in his life and he's living
alone in Sedona and I'm notgoing so like powerfully.
(35:40):
And later, when we got backtogether, I asked show me like
what this soul bond is Like, howdid that come about?
And this is like getting intothe woo woo stuff.
So I assume that your listenersare in this because you're so-.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Oh, we're all about it, yep.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
But I had this dream where I was in an Egyptian like
hall and it was me, James, andwe had a boy with us that was
our child, and we had aconversation that was like about
our soul contract and we bothagreed we won't be together in
(36:23):
every single lifetime because wehave to allow each other to
have other experiences or togrow.
But James said to me if anyoneever hurts you, I will find you.
And I woke up and was bawling.
I'm keeping it together, rightnow, oh my God, because what had
happened was I had been sowounded by a man that I trusted.
(36:47):
And then the amount oh my gosh,I'm getting chills.
The amount of time that it tookfor James to reach out.
And then, when we came backtogether, I just felt like that
was.
It is the single mostmiraculous thing that has
happened in my life.
That has solidified everythingI always wanted to believe about
soul paths and your people andrelationships, and that you can
(37:11):
let go of something and if it'sreally real, it'll come back to
you.
But then also in the Alchemistthere's a beautiful line that's
like if what you found is real,if it's pure light, when you
come back to it it will be thereand it's like otherwise it's
(37:32):
just a flash and it's passing byand it's beautiful.
But if it's, if it's reallyreal, you don't have to be
worried about letting it go.
It will, it will come back atthe perfect time.
And now that we're backtogether, he and I will recount
these life events that havehappened that have really shaped
us into who we are, so that weare so much stronger and more
(37:52):
interesting and dynamic as acouple that now we're kind of
like well, I don't know that Iwould trade it.
I think that who we've becomeout of that time apart made us
stronger together.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
now it makes sense, obviously, looking back, but
damn, going through it sucks.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Oh my gosh, going through it was like I did not
understand and I really had likea, especially when you feel
like you've had thatrelationship with someone where
they're setting the standard forwhat it feels like to be
connected on a soul level.
It's very challenging to then goand date where you don't feel
(38:28):
that, because the contrast, itcreates a lot of clarity and I
think some people maybe theyhaven't experienced that level
of like.
When I'm with this person, itfeels like Everything's lit up.
Yeah yeah, james was like whenwe reconnected.
He was like it's like twohalves of a whole being back
together and he was like Ididn't even perceive the absence
(38:49):
of it, other than I used tohave these dreams that I was
wandering trying to findsomething that I couldn't quite
find, and it was like an itchthat you can't scratch and I
don't have them anymore now thatwe're back together Because it
was like that's what I wasgrasping at was energetically he
(39:09):
was on a totally differentplane because he was committed
and married to someone else andthere was no world in which that
would ever happen.
When that contract is in placeand then when that gets
dissolved and it just opens up anew world of possibilities, and
energetically we just cameright back together it was
really incredible.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
That is just incredible, like oh my gosh.
And it's so interesting toothat you're saying that you
started like not having thatshared language of intuition and
energetics and all that stuff,like it was basically like a
foreign language for him, right,and so.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I don't have a spiritual path and now and oh,
I'm never going to live outsideof California.
Now he lives in like spiritualMecca and everything is a
spiritual conversation.
He meditates more than I do nowand he probably owns more
crystals than me.
Now I mean, this is a man thatI bought.
We bought his first crystaltogether and now he's got like
(40:03):
the crystal bracelets and I meanit's who?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
even is this guy.
Wouldn't it be so much fun ifyou took like a snapshot of your
present tense and just sent itto like early 20s, you guys,
just to blow their minds alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, I know, well, I do.
It is a big lesson for me thatwhen your presence alone can
really affect people, I guess isthe way I'll summarize that.
He said that he had a momentyears ago when someone had asked
him how'd you get into all thespiritual stuff?
And he started talking about itand then, organically, he had
(40:40):
never really connected all thedots of all the places in his
life that he and I had had thesebig conversations.
I was just authenticallysharing what I was doing, and
James is a very curious personand he's obsessed with peak
performance, you know.
So when he, even when we weren'tdating, when he was looking at
(41:02):
me going, you've had all thisgrowth, what are you doing?
And I'd be like, well, I, okay,so I read this book and I've
been doing.
I got certified in yoga, I'vebeen studying this, I've been
doing this, I've been, I've beenreading about this topic and
now I'm thinking this and hewould go and try it out for
himself.
So he's recounting back like,well, I had a friend that I met
and she's really spiritual andshe was also super psychic.
(41:24):
So, like you can believe thatsomething is going on because I,
he would like lose things thatI that I should not know where
it is.
And he'd call me and go whereis this?
And I'd tell him where it was,in his parents' house, like
there's no way that she's remoteviewing, there's no way that
you can deny that that's what'shappening.
So that kind of cracked thedoor open.
(41:46):
But then there were all theseother moments where we were just
sharing with each other what wewere doing in each other's
lives and in a way, we were likedevelopment buddies for 10
years, having barely talked.
You know what I mean.
It would be like he'd text meand be like I read this book,
have you read Synchronicity Keyor something, and I'd go, oh,
I'll get it.
And then I'd start reading andbe like, oh my gosh, that was
(42:08):
awesome.
I'm going to tell him, I'mdoing this course.
And he said he started cryingbecause he realized that every
pivotal moment in his life thathad opened the door to
spirituality was me.
And looking back, it's wondrousI don't really have another
word for it other than it'smiraculous that we've been that
for each other and now we get tobe together, which is just like
(42:29):
the best.
Now we're getting married.
I can't wait the freaking bestso that for each other, and now
we get to be together, which isjust like the best.
Now we're getting married.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I can't wait the freaking best.
So excited for you guys.
20 years in the making.
You know those overnightsuccess stories, right.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Honestly, it is a message to everyone Be patient,
especially if you have it inyour heart that you really want
to be married or have arelationship that is just like
very deep on a soul level.
It's like if that's what youwant, it will.
It will find you at the perfectmoment.
I'm so grateful for all of thechapters that we were a part
(43:02):
Cause I mean foundational for meas a human being.
You know, I live in Australiaby myself for a year, so cool,
yeah.
And that wouldn't have happened, probably if we would have
stayed together in our 20s.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
See, this is so funny because you guys are like the
parallel universe version of myhusband and I, because we met at
15 and 17 in high school.
Here in LA.
I went to an all-girls Catholichigh school.
He went to public school andhis parents sent him to driver's
ed.
Our best friends met atdriver's ed, hooked us up, and
now here we are.
I'm obviously cutting out a lot, yes, cause early twenties are
(43:42):
a lot.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
That's what I wanted.
That's what I wanted.
Was I just wanted to be aperson?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I don't know, though because you had this incredible
life full of like, adventure andcuriosity and just all of these
things, and I have stayed in LAand we have been together
generally for most of that timeand now we have two kids and you
know we and we also worktogether.
For a while we were aphotography duo a lot of fun,
(44:07):
super adventurous, but together.
So it's so interesting to seethat you guys were able to be so
independent and do yourdevelopment side by side in
these parallel but separateuniverses and we have been kind
of doing this potato sack race,which has been at times more
sloppy than others, but we'reending up in generally the same
(44:30):
place and it's just sointeresting, so interesting to
me.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
We were talking about this last night at dinner.
Actually I was saying I wasreflecting on the nature of
human beings and how we reallymost of us crave an ability to
understand the infinite, butbecause we're in a finite body
and our finite brain, we can'treally grasp it.
(44:56):
You know, like to really graspthe infinite universe?
And it's expanding.
And how is it expanding?
And how can there be that ourplanet, our solar system, is
just this tiny little speck inthis huge cosmic universe, going
on and on and on to infinity?
Our brain can't even reallylike if you try to form a
(45:17):
picture of it we were talkingabout like the closest imagery
is like a sphere or like aMobius strip and it's almost.
You can't even imagine infinity.
And because of that, I thinkthere's this natural human
nature that your life is livedin the sequence of time, one
(45:38):
event at a time.
You can't go backwards.
It's not a video game.
You can't go.
Oh well, that choice didn'twork out, so I'm going to go
back and start the game over andmake a different choice and see
what that's like.
You have these choices whereyou get to choose and then
you've got to live out thatchoice for until the rest of
your life, and I think that it'sreally natural to have your
(46:00):
mind go places like, well, whatif I would have chosen something
differently then?
And what if I would have chosensomething differently here?
And would I be in a totallydifferent place if I would have
done X, y and Z?
And in my life, james was oneof those things that it was like
a moment in time where I would,in my mind, I would go back and
say, well, what would my lifebe like if we never would have
(46:23):
said we're breaking up?
And to come back together nowis one of oh, I could cry
thinking about this.
For me it's the embodiment ofthe Bible verse God makes all
things new.
That, no matter, it'simpossible to mess it up.
(46:46):
No matter what you do, nomatter what choice you make, if
you get aligned with who you areat your center and you keep
stepping into that, thatalignment will cause this, like
cosmic force of magnetism, tobring things together in your
life in a way that it was alwaysmeant to be, so that where you
(47:07):
end up, you go.
I was always meant to be onthis path, I just got chills.
It was always meant to be onthis path.
I just got chills.
It was always meant to be this.
And then you can stop secondguessing what if what if what if
what if what?
If it's like you know what,what if it's more like a detour
and you can still end up in yourdestination and there's no time
loss.
It's just like you will getthere as long as you continue to
(47:30):
do your work and align.
And I'm glad that he's learnedto really trust intuition,
because that moment of wherehe's alone in Sedona and going
through a divorce and hisex-girlfriend pops up into his
mind and he hears my name threetimes and he goes.
I think I'm going to reach outinstead of I don't know.
(47:50):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's in learning to try.
And I'm dreaming of Red Rocksgoing.
I don't know where I'm goingyet, but I'm going to go ahead
and block off this vacationbecause I think I'm supposed to
be in Red Rocks, and then thatopportunity presented itself and
I didn't go.
That's my ex-boyfriend.
I don't go.
That's my ex-boyfriend.
I don't think I should do that.
I just went.
I don't know why, but I need todo that.
(48:12):
And then you take a step and itleads you, and then you end up
where you were always meant tobe.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Exactly, exactly, and it's just moment by moment,
breadcrumb by breadcrumb, justfollowing that teeny tiny
feeling.
And some of us have otherdeveloped, more developed senses
.
But the way I teach it isintuition is a language.
It's just the fact that you canspeak the language, you can
speak it, you can listen, youcould receive information and
(48:41):
you've developed your trustmuscle over time.
That's an unstoppablecombination I like how you said
that it.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, that's a really good way to say it that it.
It is a language, and you knowwhat I think when people aren't
used to tapping into it all thetime, sometimes they expect it.
Oh, I get this ringing in myleft ear when I say something,
(49:08):
when people aren't tuned into itall the time or they're not
used to using it as a resource,then they want intuitive
guidance to be louder, moreobvious, more concrete, more
concrete.
I call it like the Looney Tunesanvil falling from the sky in
the middle of your path.
(49:29):
Don't go that way, right.
And it's much more subtle, andso it is developing a
sensitivity to it, and then youalso have to really play around
with trusting it and nottrusting it to learn to trust it
.
You learn to trust it inmoments where you didn't, and
(49:50):
then you can sell it and go well, congratulations, you're
intuitive.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, and I feel like , well, actually, that's the 3D
confirmation that people need,because, okay, here's the data
right, here's what happens whenyou trust that feeling, here's
what happens when you don't.
And it's consistent.
What are you going to choose?
Speaker 1 (50:10):
next Like avoid consequences that never would
have happened sometimes.
And then you think, well, am Ijust being anxious and crazy, or
did I actually sidestepsomething Like we were packing
for a trip?
There's a tiny example.
We were packing for a trip onetime and I generally I pack an
electric toothbrush, but I waspacking my suitcase and I got
(50:30):
this very clear pack twotoothbrushes, like pack a spare.
And I was like what I don'tthat's why?
Yeah, no, I pack an electrictoothbrush.
Why did I hear that?
I must be, this must be anxiety.
That was weird.
We go to the hotel and as I'munpacking, the toothbrush falls
(50:50):
out of my bag.
And as I'm unpacking, thetoothbrush falls out of my bag
and done, done, done onto thehotel floor.
And I am a germaphobe, so thatthing is coming nowhere near my
mouth and I just put and packtwo toothbrushes.
Now all that is transpiring.
How you are getting data fromsomething out there in the 3D
(51:11):
realm.
That hasn't quite happened yet.
That's incredible, but youlearn to trust it.
You go.
I don't know how that'shappening.
It must be that human beingsare magnetic and it's already in
the magnetic field.
It's like anything is possible,but it's also rippling out
based on your choices now.
So once you make a choice now,it's kind of like reality is
(51:34):
becoming more solidified outthere in the future.
So there's a way to tap into theimmediate future in a way that
maybe you're receiving somethingabout it and you just learn to
trust that.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
I love that so much, and let's up the ante with that
idea.
So 2025, shit's going down.
Let's up the ante with thatidea.
So 2025, shit's going down.
It's scary there If we'repaying any attention, like what
the fuck is happening, right?
And so if we're only 3D, ifwe're only left brain, if we're
only concrete, I mean, why leavethe house?
Why do anything?
(52:05):
Why try anything at this point,like there is no hope, the sky
is falling.
Let's quit now.
Let's just leave.
Energetically, everything I'mgetting is this is by design,
this is on purpose.
This time it is scary and we,the magical woo-woo lightworkers
(52:26):
out here, are being activatedto hold that vision, because
there is absolutely apossibility for this all to go
really bad.
Anything is possible.
But if we're in charge of ourenergy now, in the present, we
can absolutely collectivelymanifest the most beautiful
timeline out of this.
(52:46):
Yes, and this is what we'redoing now.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yes, yes, there's a, I feel like it's Edgar Cayce.
There's an author that's writtenabout old souls and, like the
timelines that they've, there'sa pattern of timelines where
people have certain I guess youcould say indigo kids or yeah,
(53:11):
the rainbow children, the lightbeings, have like come back into
consciousness, where there's atheory that that they, they pop
in kind of at the same eras.
So it's like Atlantis, egypt,world war two, and that now is
one of those eras.
And one of the things thathelps me in this time when
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things start getting really wildand when you start going, oh my
gosh, in 10 years are we goingto be living in a sci-fi film
and what is happening on theplanet is to remind myself that
this battle between light anddark, if you will, has always
been, and then that's part ofbeing on planet earth, that's
part of the game of planet earth, and that there there have been
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eras in time when it wasabsolutely Ooh, I'm getting
chills.
It was absolutely critical andessential that the people that
can carry the light are carryingthe light.
And, um, I joke with James allthe time that my last life was
world war two, cause I'm WorldWar II, because I just started
crying.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
We were probably all friends back then, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
I joke that I must have been dead between 1945 and
1983, when I was reborn, becausethe 70s and 60s I just I enjoy.
He loves the 70s music.
I enjoy it, but I don'tresonate with it.
But anyway, suffice it to sayit's like if you think about
what was happening on the planetcollectively in 1945 and how
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frightening and overwhelming andhow much pain and grief was
experienced in that era, we canremind ourselves we can do this
again.
You know, there's a, there was ashow, I think it was called man
in the high castle.
That was like what would havehappened to the planet if the
Nazis would have succeeded.
And it's like you we've.
(55:04):
There's always a tensionbetween what's the worst case
scenario and what's the bestcase scenario and sometimes we
get a world where we're kind oflike straddling the line of the
two.
But to remind ourselves thatthis isn't the first time that
there's been a call for like ifyou can be the one that's
bringing the light and holdingthe hope, that's what we're here
(55:26):
to do in this time, and thatwe've done it before and we can
do it again and that the lightwill prevail.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
You want to hear my theory, tell me Okay.
So in 2016, the debates, I hadthis download that we were going
to go back in to World War IIera things and I was like that
makes no sense, that's notpossible, I don't see it.
(55:53):
But it was like fact,downloaded, right, and so it was
like, okay, you're going to goback because this is your chance
to heal it.
You're going to deal with whathappened last time, but it's in
a different era, right Spiralingup, because now we have the
global connectivity in thetechnology.
(56:13):
We've had the decade plus ofawakening, we have the newer
generations coming in, alreadyawake and tapped in.
We have that rebel spiritcoming in and we are the ones
who are inheriting the planet asis.
We are not the silentgeneration.
The silent generation wassilent.
We are not.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Well.
I hope not anywhere now, youknow, with the internet.
I mean, it's a wild contrastwhen you think like there were
people navigating a global warand the only information they
had about it was what was beingprinted in the paper.
(56:54):
Right, that's like.
It's like okay, now, if theycan handle that, we can handle
it, we can, we can do this.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
We've got this.
Yes, yeah, I mean it sucks Likeit's, it is scary outside and
it is really hard, absolutelyAcknowledging that.
But I think, if we just stayfocused on all the things we
have going for us, there's noother way for this to go, and
that parallel to the resurgenceof matriarchy.
I don't see any other option.
(57:23):
There is no other way for thisto go.
The pendulum has swung and I'venever seen so much fire, so
much power, so much confidence.
This is new.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
I know I was thinking about that the other day.
What a blessing it is to livein.
I had this reflection of likeif my past life was in 1945,
it's possible that this is theonly lifetime I've had where
I've had a full-blown career.
I don't know.
It's so true, like what aprivilege to come back in this
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time when it's so encouraged anda path has been made for women
to have a career and be a mother.
And you know, you know what Imean it's like.
I know that it's trending totalk about how challenging it is
to try and be everything toeveryone, because of course,
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that is a new problem that'spresented as like.
Well, how do you experience allof those roles that female
archetype embodies?
But at the same time.
What a privilege to come back inthis time when there's more
choices available than everbefore for women to have careers
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or to be moms, or to be both.
You know what I mean.
It's also a beautiful time thathas brought its new challenges
and new conversations.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
Yeah, I think we chose to be here for this
Absolutely, and then hearkeningback to like movies and eras and
everything I mean the Force isreal.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Oh yeah, I was like when are we going to bring Star
Wars into this?
I was literally just thinking.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
What are we psychic?
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
Yeah, Absolutely.
I remember my mom in one of thetime periods that James and I
were apart.
I was dating this guy that hadnever seen Star Wars and my mom
said but honey, have youexplained to him that it's not a
movie for you, it's a way oflife.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
You're a Jedi.
What is there to not understand?
Speaker 1 (59:29):
Huge Star Wars nerd, but it's because I believe that
that film is really casting avision on what it is to be, you
know, human.
And I actually saw a reallycool non sequitur.
I saw a really cool interviewwith George Lucas recently where
someone asked him why does Yodaspeak backwards?
And he said because I knew thatI was making a film for
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children and that he is thevoice of wisdom in the series.
He's the one that imparts allof the knowledge, he is the
philosopher and he delivers theentire philosophy of the Star
Wars universe and if I just hadhim talk, people would miss it,
but if I had him talk in an oddcadence, they would have to slow
(01:00:13):
down and pay attention to whathe was saying.
So when he talks-.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
It's like time release medicine.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I was like, wow, it's kind of like trance induction
with some that's brilliant.
Yoda says backwards.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
So smart, I was like that is awesome George Lucas.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Oh my gosh yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
See, amazing.
Has he studied NLP, I wonder?
I bet he has, right.
Oh, so good.
I don't even like.
What do we even talk about next?
Like we could just stay on allday.
Yeah, is there?
Is there anything else that youwant everybody listening to
know?
Like, tune in for me for asecond If there's any one
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parting message from yourguidance, from your team, from
your soul self.
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Oh, what came up was for those listening.
If we're talking like intuitionand business, I think sometimes
people separate the two andthis is your official invitation
to practice the embodiment ofyour spirituality, your
intuition, your tuning to yourhighest self or your highest
(01:01:23):
timeline.
My friend, catherine Zinkino,always likes to say I'm tuning
to my highest possibilitytimeline.
I like that idea that, like ifwe are magnetic and our choices
are producing a new future andwe're kind of future casting all
the time with our energy, thenyou've got to align to the
timeline in which you want thesebeautiful things to unfold in
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your life and to not keep thosetotally separate.
You don't have to put businessin a box and then your
spirituality in a different box.
You can practice integratingthe two and that is really
what's going to reveal a careerpathway that feels like it is an
expression of your soul, thatit's an expression of who you
(01:02:06):
are.
It's more than just what youget up in the morning and do.
You're in alignment.
In every way.
You can't be separate.
Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yeah, it's literally just being yourself.
It's the most yourself youcould ever possibly be.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yes, yes, and how could you be designed to be
anything else?
Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Yeah, I mean, you could be brainwashed a little
bit by society, but let's justbreak that, shall we?
Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Yeah, and James has this theory that on some level
your body feels that and thatwhen you're, when you are, when
you're not in touch with what amI here to do?
Who am I here to serve, youwill experience different levels
of dissatisfaction,unfulfillment, burnout or lack
of energy because in some wayyou're not getting into the
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congruent alignment.
And that's not to say that youdon't get tired when you're in
your dharma.
Of course you can get tired,but it's like there's that
constant circling back to whatwe talked about in the beginning
the energy, the energetics, theintuition, the alignment.
That's the fuel beginning.
The energy, the energetics, theintuition, the alignment.
That's the fuel.
(01:03:13):
So if you feel like you'reconstantly running on empty,
then it's time to maybe diveinto a little bit more of the
soul level, energetics and theconversation around your path.
Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Hallelujah, amen and hallelujah.
Jenny Finley, I have kept youfor an hour and five minutes and
I'm going to let you go back toyour beautiful life.
I so, so, so appreciate you andso appreciate everything you're
doing for the world, and justall the hearts to you, my friend
.
Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Well, same my love.
Thank you so much.
What a privilege to get to talkto you today and everyone
listening, getting to listen toyou always.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Thank you for all the work that you do.
Thank you for listening to SoulLevel Human.
If this episode moved somethingin you, share it, text it to a
friend, post to your stories.
The Soul Level Revolutionspreads one brave human at a
time and your voice makes adifference.
So until next time, remember toslow down, tune in, trust your
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guidance and keep having theaudacity to choose the highest
timeline.
When you show up fully, yougive others permission to do the
same.
Make this the timeline whereyou show up.
Next up on Soul Level , human.
The strategy is so importantand you do want a great coach
that can tell you what to do.
The strategy is like the engineand the mindset, the woo-woo,
the energy is the fuel.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
It's go time.
It's time to activate everybodyand get people in touch with
exactly what they're here to do,and that's why I believe in
this work so strongly, becausewe have such an aligned mission.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I had this dream where I was in an Egyptian hall
and we had a conversation thatwas about our soul contract and
we both agreed we won't betogether in every single
lifetime because we have toallow each other to grow.
But James said to me if anyoneever hurts you, I will find you.
(00:50):
And I woke up and was bawling.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You didn't come here to play safe.
You came to remember your powerand build what comes next.
I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychicmedium and intuition coach, and
this is Soul Level Human.
I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychicmedium and intuition coach, and
this is Soul Level Human thepodcast for truth tellers, cycle
breakers and soul-ledrevolutionaries.
You didn't come here to bypassthe chaos.
You came here to lead throughit.
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You might remember, last year Ihad my business coach, james
Wedmore, on the podcast, andtoday I get to bring you the
other half of the frequency thathad my business coach, james
Wedmore, on the podcast, andtoday I get to bring you the
other half of the frequency thatchanged my business and my life
Jenny Finley.
Together, james and Jenny arethe heart of Business by Design,
a container built on strategy,service, intuition and soul.
(01:40):
Jenny brings the energeticblueprint, the deep inner work
and a presence that activateseveryone around her, with
tangible tools and realexperiences that expand what you
believe is possible.
Let's dive in.
Jenny Finley, I'm so excitedyou're here.
Welcome to Soul Level Human.
(02:01):
I'm so excited, so excited tobe here.
Let me just start by saying wehave someone in common that I
met at BBD Live in 2023, bycoincidence, right, uh-huh,
kelsey Kennedy.
Oh my gosh, I knew you weregoing to say.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Kelsey yeah.
As soon as you said that, I waslike it's going to be Kelsey
yeah, it's theater kids.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Right Theater kids.
We're just taking over theworld a little bit at a time.
It's so funny because, okay,I'm going to go into this whole
thing, but just give me a second, I'll get there.
Before I signed up for BBD, Ihadn't heard of you or James at
all.
First of all, by somecoincidence I keep saying
coincidence, because we all knowthat doesn't exist I found the
(02:40):
Mind your Business podcast and Iwas like hold on, wait a second
.
What Business and energetics?
I'm in, right.
So then I was like okay,business by design is opened.
Checking with my guides, it's ahell.
Yes, okay, great, literallygoing in blind.
Okay, it's a yes, great, let'sgo.
So I go in.
I'm also in this other programand we're like who's going to be
(03:01):
at BBD live in December?
Let's meet up.
And I hadn't done this otherprogram at all, but something
intuition also said sign up forthat program too.
So I did.
At BBD Live, in a room ofprobably about 1,000 people, I
ended up by coincidence quoteunquote sitting next to this
person who happened to be theone person who said let's meet
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up.
This is like a group of likemaybe five people.
First of all, okay, and then,second of all.
I'm in my little line with mydrink ticket that first night,
and then this girl comes overand she's like hi, I'm Kelsey,
are you Sylvia?
She was in this group too, andwe just kind of gravitated
towards each other as if bymagic.
We're really good friends tothis day, kelsey and I, and I'm
(03:45):
even going to go see hertomorrow.
She just had a baby.
I'm so excited to get to meether.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So all of this to say there's something magical that
you guys are doing at BBD.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's a very special environment.
I look forward to that eventevery year.
James jokes like, should wekeep doing it?
And I'm like we have to keepdoing it.
It's my favorite, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
You have to keep doing it.
I won't let you guys listen1-800-SYLVIA, and I will talk
you guys back into it.
Yeah, decides to not do it.
Yeah, oh my God.
So and here's my second partthat I said I was going to get
to.
I'm like I said I walked incold.
I was like this feels like ahell.
Yes, I don't know what I'm herefor.
(04:28):
I know, obviously, like I'mhere for the business, training
and whatever, but there wassomething else.
And so I walk in and here youcome in your hot pink blazer and
I was like, oh, who is this?
And everybody's like on theirfeet like yeah, jenny.
And I was like who is thisJenny chick?
And so you start talking andI'm like full body chills.
I was like, oh, so I came toBBD for James Wedmore, but I'm
(04:50):
staying for Jenny Finley.
Ah, stop it, I love it.
Full body chills, full bodychills.
Seriously, look at this, oh myGod.
So, since we're so close today,I cannot wait to just dive deep
into all the things with you.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yes, we today.
I cannot wait to just dive deepinto all the things with you.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yes, we can talk for hours.
We probably could.
We're on purpose limiting thisto like about an hour for
everybody else's sake.
I feel like we have so muchmore to go over.
But okay, just to set up thescene.
Family of origin.
Was this energetic side ofthings already in your language?
Did you discover it at somepoint?
What was that for you?
Speaker 1 (05:29):
So what's become my specialty niche, which is
energetics and meditation and,in James's company, bridging the
gap between business andintuition.
It evolved over time.
My family is Irish, nativeAmerican, on both sides in fact,
(05:52):
and my mom's side of the familythe Native American heritage
was passed down and we wereencouraged to be really in touch
with our spirituality and ourintuitive nature.
And I'm an identical twin and Iyou're.
It's hard, you're hard pressed,to find identical twins that
don't have some sort of psychicexperience just naturally built
(06:15):
in.
So I think, growing up bothwith a very psychic, clairvoyant
mom in a family that has NativeAmerican heritage and is really
connected to that, uh, thatlike the connecting to spirit
and and being able tocommunicate with each other
non-verbally, plus my twinsister, and then when I grew up,
(06:38):
um, I got really interested instudying all the world religions
.
Really we were raised Christianand then I just I started
delving into all differentreligions, healing modalities,
meditation techniques, fromabout 17 to well, still present,
but like 17 to 20 yearobsession really with like how
(07:01):
many books can I read, how manyteachers can I find, what
courses can I take, whatexperiences can I have?
A kindred spirit, yeah, tounderstand, and I was really
like I dabbled in everything.
I became a Reiki master, I didmeditation schools, I studied
Buddhism.
I'm a yoga teacher.
I've read tons of books on thesubject and it's just kind of.
(07:24):
My favorite conversation is howhuman beings experience God.
That's how I approached it waslike what our spirituality is
all around, like what is thisexperience that we have of our
innate divinity?
But also how we access divinityand how we are connected.
And yet we feel separatesometimes, but we're all
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connected, like what you startedwith when we started the call.
Just like these moments ofsynchronicity, of like what is
that?
What are the laws of theuniverse that are governing that
?
Why is energy responding tothat?
And now, since coming back intoJames's life, I work with a
shaman and I've always just beenriveted by that subject matter
in general.
(08:06):
So I'm a student of that firstand foremost.
And then, when I startedteaching yoga, I found I had a
gift for being able tocommunicate concepts to people
in a way where they weregrasping them or they were able
to connect dots.
I think that's one thing thatmy brain does really well.
(08:27):
Is I connect dots well?
I remember one of my professorsin college.
I wrote a paper on theChristian Beatitudes connecting
to the Buddhist Eightfold Path.
Oh, that's awesome.
My brain will make connections.
And so that became a strongsuit of mine, and when I decided
(08:49):
that I really wanted to hone myintuition more beyond my
immediate family, I starteddeveloping like a system for
myself of how I was expanding myintuition.
And now I teach that.
But it came out of it's thatTim Ferriss expression like
scratch your own itch.
But it came out of it's thatTim Ferriss expression like
scratch your own itch.
Everything that I teach now hascome out of, like my own
(09:11):
enchantment with that particulararena of philosophy or
spirituality.
And James and I there's such amagic to that, jenny, yeah, yeah
, I think that that's honestly.
I think it's like a hack oflike what do you want to teach
or offer people?
It's like teach them whatyou're fascinated with.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
What are you excited about?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, I just had a really good conversation with a
friend and a student in businessby design about that too.
It's a concert trumpet playerand now she teaches people how
to make music synth music andshe was talking about like it
just opened a door for me when Ilearned it and I thought, oh, I
can open this door for otherpeople.
So that's really what got mestarted on it.
And James and I are collegesweethearts.
(09:46):
So the same time that I metMiss Kelsey I met James Wedmore
and ironically, james and I havehad, even though we're college
sweethearts.
So we dated really seriously inour 20s and then broke up and
we were friends for 10 years butwe were living these like oddly
parallel lives, like everythingI was learning to develop at my
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former company he was doing inhis company and when we came
back together as a couple hejust kind of inserted me into
the business and was like whydon't you do that, do that for
me now?
So I run his marketingdepartment but I also teach at
the live events to infuse all ofthat spirituality, meditation,
all the woo-woo stuff, theintuition, just kind of like a
(10:30):
passion project, you know,turned career.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's so cool.
Yeah, that's what's so coolabout it, because I mean, you
have this whole life path rightand you're grabbing from here,
you're grabbing from there andit's just, it's this perfect,
beautiful mix of exactly whatyour medicine is for this world,
like and in in the, in thelittle capsule of business, like
, oh, you think you're taking abusiness course, here you go we
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are, you're going to learn allthe things you need, but like
also, here's the, here's thething underneath you're also
getting, oh, so good, myfavorite thing about it is that
um cause I did a lot of thiswork when I was working for my
company in a bigger corporationand big companies.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
A lot of them have personal development departments
and because that's so essentialfor just workplace happiness
and team bonding and dynamics.
But what's so special aboutbusiness by design is that
getting to do this type of workwith entrepreneurs everyone
who's in business by designthey've produced a product
around something that theyreally feel like is their inner
(11:29):
work, usually like it's likewhat's what they're here on the
planet to deliver, and so, in away, it's like connecting people
into their dharma of likewhat's going to make you feel
the most fulfilled.
So like, of course, this workgoes so well with that, because
how could it not?
It's like kind of your soul'sexpression of what you want to
teach people and how you want tohelp.
(11:50):
So it's really a privilege toget to lead that type of work
inside of Business by Design andwhat James has created.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
That's so cool and I love too that it doesn't shy
away from the energetics and theinner work and like the
important stuff, because anybodycan teach strategy Really, like
anybody can teach funnels, likethat's the easy side.
Actually, this part is okay.
Well, how are you showing upand what impact are you having
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and are you intentional with howyou're speaking to people and
how you're supporting themthrough anything?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
And I mean that's where the magic is you know what
that brought up to me, thatI've never really connected the
dot of that before, but I thinkgrowing up my experience of
myself was that I was never theone that had all of the natural
talent or necessarily was ableto be the one in the room that
(12:44):
was the most strategic, but Icould be the one that had the
best mindset and I found thatthat gave me a leg up in so many
circumstances.
Sports comes to mindimmediately.
I remember having a moment whenI finished my high school
volleyball career.
I was the captain of a statechampionship volleyball team and
(13:06):
really had no business likebeing in that role.
You know what I mean Like whenyou look at like natural ability
, talent, height, build.
You know I wasn't the bestplayer on the team, but I
learned a lot from a young agethat your mindset, your
mentality, your attitude, howyou approach things, all of the
(13:27):
energetics around what youbelieve you can do it can
actually yield the result thatyou want.
You know so.
So I think that's like whatcame up when you said that is
that, like, the strategy is soimportant and you don't do.
You want a great coach and agreat expert that can tell you
what to do, but then the fuelthat's behind that, that is that
(13:50):
you know you need thestrategies like the engine and I
was going to say the same thingExactly.
The mindset, the, the woo, woo.
The energy is the fuel and youcan have a perfect car.
You don't have gas in the tank,it's not going anywhere.
So that's how I look at it.
Is they work so well togetherand they're both so?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
important.
That's spot on.
And, to be honest, likeeverybody's doing this, but not
consciously, like you can tellthe people who have worked on
their energy right, but they'reshowing up a little messy and
it's just a little off, like youcan tell.
And I just love how BBD givesyou the language for that and
(14:28):
also gives you the support thatyou need in that category too,
because I've never felt oh myGod, I'm going to cry.
I'm in next level this year andI had a crash out earlier this
year.
I'm in a browner body.
The world is absolutely upsidedown.
I have a background, my dad'sfrom El Salvador.
He has experiences where hisfamily was in danger, and so
(14:51):
I've been processing a lot andcoming back with this podcast
this season.
It was like, okay, can I handleall good?
So sorry, I have two and twokids.
It's crazy.
I'm sure you saw Cole climbingall over me on the last call.
That's what we're doing.
(15:14):
So I'm just like processinglayers upon layers of like grief
and terror and ancestral traumaand all of this stuff and then
going back in with the podcastagain, like can I really handle
going back in again?
What if I fail again?
What if my support systems fallapart again.
What if I?
You know what if what, if what,if what, if what if it was all
(15:35):
so loud and sitting with thecoaches?
I have no words for the supportthat I felt in that container
over and over and over again,just so consistently, and it's
been such a gift to be able tomove through so much darkness to
(15:57):
come out now the other side,and nothing on the external has
changed.
In fact, it's gotten a lotdarker since I was having those
crash outs a couple months ago,right, but now it's like oh no,
it's go time.
Oh, I'm getting full bodychills, it's go time.
It's time to activate everybodyand get people in touch with
exactly what they're here to do.
(16:18):
And that's why I believe inthis work so strongly, because
we have such an aligned mission.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, I feel we talk about this a lot that,
like I, I'm a deep believer inum.
Whatever time you chose to comeback on the to the planet.
That was not a coincidence.
So, like all of us are here tobe here in this time, however,
whatever it presents and howeverhard it may be, and it's the
(16:46):
ones that are really like hereto be in their work and help
others.
That is what we're here to doand make a difference, and
having a business on theinternet can be a really dark,
scary place.
I've constantly flabbergasted bythe comments and the energy
that people bring to theinternet.
So it does take a lot ofcourage and I think that the
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support of having people aroundyou who are in the same business
and who are facing the samefears and doubts and concerns
and coming together and tacklingthem together it's it's the
biggest surprise benefit that Ihear over and over and over.
A business by design is thecommunity that you.
You can't appreciate how lonelyit can feel running your own
digital business when you don'thave this group of digital
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entrepreneurs and there.
What's unique, I think, aboutit is that there are.
I was thinking about this todaybecause, as digital business
becomes.
I think we're at the edge of abubble, like we're.
It's about digital businessit's just kind of keep getting
bigger and bigger and bigger,and that there's going to be
more and more courses offeredonline and people having digital
products, and so with that isgoing to come all these
different options for how youlearn it or who you learn,
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funnels and ad campaigns and allof the strategy from, and I
think what James has done areally good job in doing.
That's so unique is curatingthe community and attracting
incredible people together.
I'm always blown away by when Igo to a BBD event or a next
level event and there's anywherefrom 200 to 1,000 people in the
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room, and I can't think of atime when I've bumped into a
human and been like, oh no, Ican't.
No, no, I don't talk to you.
You know what I mean there'slike a lot of amazing people in
there.
It's really special.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, with huge missions and big hearts and just
like this drive to do somethinggood in the world and
contribute in a really positiveway.
So special.
And to that let me just pivotreal quick to spoon bending,
because at BBD.
Live, we do some magical thingsin addition to learning.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Okay, honey, I'm recording a podcast.
Oh, you are?
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Hi James.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Anyway, spoon bending .
So spoon bending, okay.
So I like, I said, like samething.
I am a voracious reader, I likeresearch, I am a nerd, right,
and I love, I love finding newthings to learn, right.
So I went to BBD Live in 2023and I had never done any spoon
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bending.
So I was like what, this isawesome.
So I went in, I did the wholething and I had this whole
push-pull I, if I don't bend it,it's going to be okay because
it doesn't mean anything aboutme and so, whatever.
So I bent it once.
Here's the spoon for anybodywho's watching on video.
Here's what I was able to do.
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And I was so proud of myself, Iwas so grateful Falling.
I showed up, I'm doing thisthing, I'm here live and I was
happy, content.
And then we opened our eyes andwe started sharing and I
started seeing what's possibleand that's so powerful being in
rooms like that, because you canabsolutely be pleased and proud
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and content with what you'rebringing to the table.
But there's always more tolearn, to experience, to just be
witness to, and I mean I wasseeing people like, with the
zigzags and the curlicues,that's what's possible here,
okay.
So then we came back last yearand I was like all right, I'm
going to play some more.
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So I was able to get a zigzag.
So, okay, it's not about thespoon, it's about yourself and
it's about what you believe ispossible, right?
So cut to the crash out earlierthis year, bawling, bawling,
feeling all my feelings, beingin the fear, transmuting all the
things, just like letting ittake me over.
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And then I was like hey, whatare you trying to teach me?
And they were like it's time toreclaim your power.
I was like, okay, great, buthow, though?
And then my eyes went to mycollection of spoons and it was
like oh, you think that you needto be in a room full of a
thousand people with loud musicand a meditative experience to
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access that level of power?
Get up and do that right now.
And so I did.
I did this one.
Oh, my gosh, wow, I did thisone.
And then I was like okay, butthese, but these are smaller
spoons and I have smaller hands.
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What if it was just da, da, da,da, da?
So I went down to the kitchen,yeah, and I, and I got just a
regular big spoon.
And I got just a regular bigspoon, but I bent this thing too
, like I was like no, I am goingto do it.
I did it and I was like okay,it's not the room, it's me.
Yes, yes, I am powerful.
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Yes, I am powerful and I canaffect energy and I do create my
own reality, and it's time toremember that.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Isn't that?
So I mean, that's yeah, that'sit.
Spoonbending found me in such acrazy serendipitous way, james
and I is one of obviously one ofour favorite movies is the
Matrix of all time.
And there's that scene in theMatrix where the little boy,
when he's going to see theOracle, it's not the spoon that
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bends, it's you that bend.
And so I love that scene.
And when James and I broke upin our late twenties, I had
moved back to Texas and I was sosad because all of my spiritual
community and teachers andthere was someone that I was
apprenticing with in Los Angelesand it was like all my network
of that I was apprenticing within Los Angeles and it was like
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all my network of healers wereback in California and I was
just praying to the universe Godsend me my next pathway.
And my mom and I found thisflyer out one day I don't even
remember where we stumbled uponit, in the middle of the road,
as one of my friends says and itsaid spoon bending workshop.
And I look at my mom and I golike the matrix and we're like,
okay, let's go to that.
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And the woman who was teachingit is her name is Heather Ash
and she was the apprentice ofDon Miguel Ruiz, who wrote the
four agreements and the masteryof love, those beautiful books.
And when I walked into theworkshop she.
There was only about 40 peoplethere, but she was in the middle
of the room with a fork and shewas pulling the prongs back on
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the fork with one finger.
It was just like, and I wasjust enchanted, you know, and so
I decided that's my next personthat I'm learning from and take
her course and do firewalkingand spoon bending with her, and
that's it's so cool.
It's like a.
It comes out of the conceptthat's in almost all indigenous
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sacred cultures that your energycan affect matter.
And whether that's learning towalk on hot coals or walk
through fire or bending metal,the spoon bending is just a
reflection of the way that we'reable to shift our energetic
state and then affect thephysical world around us.
And when I pitched, we werethrowing out crazy ideas for BBD
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Live.
When we were coming, we hadn'tdone BBD Live in several years
because of COVID, so when wewere coming back to we're going
to do it live again, we werethrowing out like what's the
craziest, craziest ideas youcould think of?
And it was like we could have acrystal shop in the lobby.
And then I was like we could dospoon bending and James was
like wait, wait, would you wantto do spoon bending and I was
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like, yeah, well, I mean, with athousand people, we're going to
have to warm it up over theyear and I want to experiment
with it first.
So he let me like test it outon all different groups of
people.
I think we did it like with 22people, and then we did it with
a hundred, and then we did itwith 200 and then we did it with
the whole room.
So now it's become a staple inBBD that we do that every year,
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and every year it's just likeone of my most favorite
experiences because the energyin the room I was talking to
someone last year that said hefelt like he was getting in his
head about whether or not he wasgoing to bend the spoon.
And then he had this momentwhere he just went like you know
what, I don't even care, I'mjust going to put the spoon down
and be in this energy field.
(25:19):
And he just had the bestexperience without even touching
the spoon, because he was justresonating with the levels of
love and gratitude andpossibility that are happening
in that one hour period of timewhere we're meditating.
And yeah, it's become one of myyear highlights.
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I think it's so fun, so cool.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's so fun and so magical and I don't want to
scare anyone off you just saidan hour of meditation.
It's not like that.
It doesn't feel like that.
It feels like you blink andthat's it.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, when I started studying meditation James and I
also, when we were 24, maybe 25,we got really into
neuro-linguistic programming,because when I start reading
books of people that seem toknow a lot about energy mindset
and peak performance, I startgoing well, now, who taught them
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and what do they know that Idon't know?
And where did they go to school?
And neuro-linguisticprogramming emerged as the root
of some of my favorite authorsand speakers, and so I found the
founder is still teaching andwent over to London and got to
take his certification course,and when you're studying with
him, he does a lot of meditativeexperiences that are rooted in
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the neurolinguistics, inhypnosis or open eye, trance
induction, and he was able toput people in these positive
emotional states, and so I gotreally fascinated with bridging,
like how do we bring yoga andpranayama and these ancient
meditation techniques with someof the neuro-linguistic things?
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That helps people be able tomeditate for longer periods of
time, because it feels like it'sjust like a blip.
And that's probably my mostfavorite compliment is when
people tell me I've never beenable to meditate, but I can do
your meditations.
Yeah, and I think that's whereNLP pairs so well is because the
process for spoon bending, Ithink, is just over.
(27:25):
It's about 30 minutes.
But when people I'm queuing itthe whole time and when they
come out of it they're like thatwas 30 minutes.
I thought that was there's noway.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, and so it's.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
it's really cool, that's my other.
I geek out on that of like, howcan we add in it's so good.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
It's just so good for longer.
Yeah, so powerful.
Okay, A hard pivot you wentover you just mentioned.
You broke up with James andthen you went on your own life
path and now you're back.
Yes, there's a lot thathappened in there, Spiritually,
I feel like.
I mean, if you're as keyed inas you are, it makes sense that
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you were together and I couldsee from my perspective, because
I had a similar path on my end.
When there's a split and youknow this to be true how do you
reconcile the reality notmatching?
Speaker 1 (28:19):
what you know.
It's such a good conversation.
I met James when I was 20.
And since I was little, Ialways believed I would meet my
person by the time I was 21.
I think part of that was Iromanticized my parents and they
met when my mom was 21.
So I grew up with like I'mgoing to meet him when I'm 21.
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But I also just had a knowing.
And when I met James, my twinsister set us up on a blind date
.
So my twin picked him and whenI met him I was like and that's
my husband.
But we were so young, we were incollege at the time he was like
big man on campus, one of thecool kids at the school, and he
was the president of afraternity and and I think I
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really wanted, I was so readyfor I was one of those people
where I was like I didn't careif it was he was my first
boyfriend and I did not care.
One and done.
I'm like first boyfriend, I'llmarry him.
But he was more of like atypical young man that wants to
have experiences and not be thatserious, and so that was always
our when we were younger.
That was always our challengewas I was ready for something
(29:23):
serious and he wasn't quiteready.
So then I had to grapple withwell, do I want to be with
someone who's not really ready,or is that like mean that we're
not a match?
And when, um, so we would likewe've dated in college, we broke
up and then, I think five yearslater, we started dating again.
But we had become like Monicaand Chandler, like we were like
best best friends me, james andMichael Alanis, whom I'm sure
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you know through next level heis still one of James's coaches
and we all work together.
We would all hang out.
And then one night I was like,oh, I'm going to have to tell my
best friend that I'm in lovewith them.
And then he was like I'm inlove with you.
So it was perfect timing and itwas like so then we were dating
.
And then we broke up again,mostly because kind of similar
things.
Ironically, he told me that hedidn't.
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He, I related to everything inmy life as a spiritual path, a
spiritual problem, and he hadtrouble doing that as a, as a
younger man, like 28.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
And he was like all the way left.
Brain strategy yes.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And he was like I love the, I love you and I love
that you are that way.
I don't know that I'm evergoing to approach my life from.
I want a deep relationship withGod.
I want everything to be aspiritual path.
You know what I mean.
And so I struggled with thatbecause I really felt like if I
was going to marry someone, Iwanted to know that the
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agreement to be married was me,that person and God, and that
conversation felt like it wasn'treally present at the time.
Now that we circle back, werealized that in our youth we
actually just weren't very goodat communicating and it wasn't
actually that we had anunderstanding of why we were
breaking up.
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So now we look back on it andwe're like we were idiots.
We never should have broken upthat was just a big
misunderstanding.
So cute, yeah, yeah.
But what happened was we wentour separate ways and it really
shook me up because, intuitively, I had so much certainty over
that's my person and I thoughtlike, well, okay, if our star
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charts make sense, people who doour human design tell us we
make perfect sense.
People who are personalityexperts meet us and say we make
perfect sense.
So when we broke up, I was likeyou know what, maybe love isn't
real.
I literally went to a place oflike I'm done with serious love.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
What other possible conclusion is there at that
point.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Yeah, but I, but I, really in my heart, I deeply
desired to be married, to be tohave a partner, to have someone
that I'm going to walk throughlife with and not just like
someone that we live our ownseparate lives.
I and not everyone, wants this.
I wanted to be with someonethat, like we really build a
life and a career together whichI know not everyone wants and
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we meet couples all the time.
That's like I would never workwith my husband and I'm like
I've always wanted that, that'swhat I, that's what I wanted.
So I would ask, I would go onthese walks and ask my guidance
when am I going to meet myperson?
And they would say back to meyou've already met him and my
mom and I would just go throughthe Rolodex of like every male
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that had ever.
What friend is this a friend?
Is it someone who I crossedtheir path and then we'll get
back together?
And, uh, by the time James and Ireconnected, it was.
It was so kismet.
He had exited his marriagerelationship when he married
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someone else.
I thought he's gone forever,because I know this man.
He's so committed and he's solike his word is his bond day
that I saw he got married, I wasbawling Hysterically, had my
best friend come over and waslike I have to throw away our
first date pictures I've beenholding on to them.
Yeah, it was awful.
But then it was almost 10 yearslater to the date that he,
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unbeknownst to me, he had lefthis marriage and then reached
out to me and said how are youdoing?
You doing okay.
And then reached out to me andsaid how are you doing?
You doing okay?
And I said no, I had gotten outof a very hurtful relationship
that I was in therapy at PTSDfor and I was like you know, I'm
using all my spiritual NLPtricks to get over this
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heartache and grief and PTSD.
And he said why don't you comeon out to Sedona?
It's like spiritual Holy land,your family's Native American.
It's Holy land for the nativeAmericans.
You're going to love it here,had you?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
not been there yet?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
No, no, he and I planned to go to Sedona in 2008.
I told him about it and wenever went.
He went on his own and in like2014 or something like that.
But no, I had never been.
But I had been dreaming aboutred rocks.
(34:13):
So what's crazy is that I washaving these intuitive dreams
where I kept seeing red rocksand I'm a big Indiana Jones fan,
so I just assumed it wasMonument Valley, the opening of
Indiana Jones' last crusade.
So I had two weeks vacation offfrom my job and I had planned
to go camp in Monument Valleywith my dog.
And then James called me andsaid do you want to come to
Sedona?
And I said aren't there redrocks in Sedona?
(34:34):
Isn't it like big red rocks?
And he was like, yeah, and I'mlike I think I've been dreaming
about that.
I'm going to come visit you intwo weeks.
And he was like Jen, I haveinvited so many friends to come
visit me in 2020.
And no one has ever said I'llbe there in 10 days.
But I remember driving out andhaving this energy hit me of
like, what do I do if I'm stillin love with this man?
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And my mom was so cute.
She was like you just turnaround, you come back home.
Because at that time I didn'tknow what his relationship
status was.
And anyway, when we reconnectedit was like no time has passed
and we could not believe that itwas like the universe just
brought us back together.
He said he texted me randomlybecause pretty much the moment
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that he got out of his marriagehe started seeing me in
meditation and he would hear myname and then his mom and his
sister started dreaming about meand they're super intuitive too
, which of course it makes sense.
And they were like well, weweren't going to reach out
because we knew what was goingon in his life and he's living
alone in Sedona and I'm notgoing so like powerfully.
(35:40):
And later, when we got backtogether, I asked show me like
what this soul bond is Like, howdid that come about?
And this is like getting intothe woo woo stuff.
So I assume that your listenersare in this because you're so-.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Oh, we're all about it, yep.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
But I had this dream where I was in an Egyptian like
hall and it was me, James, andwe had a boy with us that was
our child, and we had aconversation that was like about
our soul contract and we bothagreed we won't be together in
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every single lifetime because wehave to allow each other to
have other experiences or togrow.
But James said to me if anyoneever hurts you, I will find you.
And I woke up and was bawling.
I'm keeping it together, rightnow, oh my God, because what had
happened was I had been sowounded by a man that I trusted.
(36:47):
And then the amount oh my gosh,I'm getting chills.
The amount of time that it tookfor James to reach out.
And then, when we came backtogether, I just felt like that
was.
It is the single mostmiraculous thing that has
happened in my life.
That has solidified everythingI always wanted to believe about
soul paths and your people andrelationships, and that you can
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let go of something and if it'sreally real, it'll come back to
you.
But then also in the Alchemistthere's a beautiful line that's
like if what you found is real,if it's pure light, when you
come back to it it will be thereand it's like otherwise it's
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just a flash and it's passing byand it's beautiful.
But if it's, if it's reallyreal, you don't have to be
worried about letting it go.
It will, it will come back atthe perfect time.
And now that we're backtogether, he and I will recount
these life events that havehappened that have really shaped
us into who we are, so that weare so much stronger and more
(37:52):
interesting and dynamic as acouple that now we're kind of
like well, I don't know that Iwould trade it.
I think that who we've becomeout of that time apart made us
stronger together.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
now it makes sense, obviously, looking back, but
damn, going through it sucks.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Oh my gosh, going through it was like I did not
understand and I really had likea, especially when you feel
like you've had thatrelationship with someone where
they're setting the standard forwhat it feels like to be
connected on a soul level.
It's very challenging to then goand date where you don't feel
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that, because the contrast, itcreates a lot of clarity and I
think some people maybe theyhaven't experienced that level
of like.
When I'm with this person, itfeels like Everything's lit up.
Yeah yeah, james was like whenwe reconnected.
He was like it's like twohalves of a whole being back
together and he was like Ididn't even perceive the absence
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of it, other than I used tohave these dreams that I was
wandering trying to findsomething that I couldn't quite
find, and it was like an itchthat you can't scratch and I
don't have them anymore now thatwe're back together Because it
was like that's what I wasgrasping at was energetically he
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was on a totally differentplane because he was committed
and married to someone else andthere was no world in which that
would ever happen.
When that contract is in placeand then when that gets
dissolved and it just opens up anew world of possibilities, and
energetically we just cameright back together it was
really incredible.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
That is just incredible, like oh my gosh.
And it's so interesting toothat you're saying that you
started like not having thatshared language of intuition and
energetics and all that stuff,like it was basically like a
foreign language for him, right,and so.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I don't have a spiritual path and now and oh,
I'm never going to live outsideof California.
Now he lives in like spiritualMecca and everything is a
spiritual conversation.
He meditates more than I do nowand he probably owns more
crystals than me.
Now I mean, this is a man thatI bought.
We bought his first crystaltogether and now he's got like
(40:03):
the crystal bracelets and I meanit's who?
Speaker 2 (40:06):
even is this guy.
Wouldn't it be so much fun ifyou took like a snapshot of your
present tense and just sent itto like early 20s, you guys,
just to blow their minds alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, I know, well, I do.
It is a big lesson for me thatwhen your presence alone can
really affect people, I guess isthe way I'll summarize that.
He said that he had a momentyears ago when someone had asked
him how'd you get into all thespiritual stuff?
And he started talking about itand then, organically, he had
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never really connected all thedots of all the places in his
life that he and I had had thesebig conversations.
I was just authenticallysharing what I was doing, and
James is a very curious personand he's obsessed with peak
performance, you know.
So when he, even when we weren'tdating, when he was looking at
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me going, you've had all thisgrowth, what are you doing?
And I'd be like, well, I, okay,so I read this book and I've
been doing.
I got certified in yoga, I'vebeen studying this, I've been
doing this, I've been, I've beenreading about this topic and
now I'm thinking this and hewould go and try it out for
himself.
So he's recounting back like,well, I had a friend that I met
and she's really spiritual andshe was also super psychic.
(41:24):
So, like you can believe thatsomething is going on because I,
he would like lose things thatI that I should not know where
it is.
And he'd call me and go whereis this?
And I'd tell him where it was,in his parents' house, like
there's no way that she's remoteviewing, there's no way that
you can deny that that's what'shappening.
So that kind of cracked thedoor open.
(41:46):
But then there were all theseother moments where we were just
sharing with each other what wewere doing in each other's
lives and in a way, we were likedevelopment buddies for 10
years, having barely talked.
You know what I mean.
It would be like he'd text meand be like I read this book,
have you read Synchronicity Keyor something, and I'd go, oh,
I'll get it.
And then I'd start reading andbe like, oh my gosh, that was
(42:08):
awesome.
I'm going to tell him, I'mdoing this course.
And he said he started cryingbecause he realized that every
pivotal moment in his life thathad opened the door to
spirituality was me.
And looking back, it's wondrousI don't really have another
word for it other than it'smiraculous that we've been that
for each other and now we get tobe together, which is just like
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the best.
Now we're getting married.
I can't wait the freaking bestso that for each other, and now
we get to be together, which isjust like the best.
Now we're getting married.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I can't wait the freaking best.
So excited for you guys.
20 years in the making.
You know those overnightsuccess stories, right.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Honestly, it is a message to everyone Be patient,
especially if you have it inyour heart that you really want
to be married or have arelationship that is just like
very deep on a soul level.
It's like if that's what youwant, it will.
It will find you at the perfectmoment.
I'm so grateful for all of thechapters that we were a part
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Cause I mean foundational for meas a human being.
You know, I live in Australiaby myself for a year, so cool,
yeah.
And that wouldn't have happened, probably if we would have
stayed together in our 20s.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
See, this is so funny because you guys are like the
parallel universe version of myhusband and I, because we met at
15 and 17 in high school.
Here in LA.
I went to an all-girls Catholichigh school.
He went to public school andhis parents sent him to driver's
ed.
Our best friends met atdriver's ed, hooked us up, and
now here we are.
I'm obviously cutting out a lot, yes, cause early twenties are
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a lot.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
That's what I wanted.
That's what I wanted.
Was I just wanted to be aperson?
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I don't know, though because you had this incredible
life full of like, adventure andcuriosity and just all of these
things, and I have stayed in LAand we have been together
generally for most of that timeand now we have two kids and you
know we and we also worktogether.
For a while we were aphotography duo a lot of fun,
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super adventurous, but together.
So it's so interesting to seethat you guys were able to be so
independent and do yourdevelopment side by side in
these parallel but separateuniverses and we have been kind
of doing this potato sack race,which has been at times more
sloppy than others, but we'reending up in generally the same
(44:30):
place and it's just sointeresting, so interesting to
me.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
We were talking about this last night at dinner.
Actually I was saying I wasreflecting on the nature of
human beings and how we reallymost of us crave an ability to
understand the infinite, butbecause we're in a finite body
and our finite brain, we can'treally grasp it.
(44:56):
You know, like to really graspthe infinite universe?
And it's expanding.
And how is it expanding?
And how can there be that ourplanet, our solar system, is
just this tiny little speck inthis huge cosmic universe, going
on and on and on to infinity?
Our brain can't even reallylike if you try to form a
(45:17):
picture of it we were talkingabout like the closest imagery
is like a sphere or like aMobius strip and it's almost.
You can't even imagine infinity.
And because of that, I thinkthere's this natural human
nature that your life is livedin the sequence of time, one
(45:38):
event at a time.
You can't go backwards.
It's not a video game.
You can't go.
Oh well, that choice didn'twork out, so I'm going to go
back and start the game over andmake a different choice and see
what that's like.
You have these choices whereyou get to choose and then
you've got to live out thatchoice for until the rest of
your life, and I think that it'sreally natural to have your
(46:00):
mind go places like, well, whatif I would have chosen something
differently then?
And what if I would have chosensomething differently here?
And would I be in a totallydifferent place if I would have
done X, y and Z?
And in my life, james was oneof those things that it was like
a moment in time where I would,in my mind, I would go back and
say, well, what would my lifebe like if we never would have
(46:23):
said we're breaking up?
And to come back together nowis one of oh, I could cry
thinking about this.
For me it's the embodiment ofthe Bible verse God makes all
things new.
That, no matter, it'simpossible to mess it up.
(46:46):
No matter what you do, nomatter what choice you make, if
you get aligned with who you areat your center and you keep
stepping into that, thatalignment will cause this, like
cosmic force of magnetism, tobring things together in your
life in a way that it was alwaysmeant to be, so that where you
(47:07):
end up, you go.
I was always meant to be onthis path, I just got chills.
It was always meant to be onthis path.
I just got chills.
It was always meant to be this.
And then you can stop secondguessing what if what if what if
what if what?
If it's like you know what,what if it's more like a detour
and you can still end up in yourdestination and there's no time
loss.
It's just like you will getthere as long as you continue to
(47:30):
do your work and align.
And I'm glad that he's learnedto really trust intuition,
because that moment of wherehe's alone in Sedona and going
through a divorce and hisex-girlfriend pops up into his
mind and he hears my name threetimes and he goes.
I think I'm going to reach outinstead of I don't know.
(47:50):
That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's in learning to try.
And I'm dreaming of Red Rocksgoing.
I don't know where I'm goingyet, but I'm going to go ahead
and block off this vacationbecause I think I'm supposed to
be in Red Rocks, and then thatopportunity presented itself and
I didn't go.
That's my ex-boyfriend.
I don't go.
That's my ex-boyfriend.
I don't think I should do that.
I just went.
I don't know why, but I need todo that.
(48:12):
And then you take a step and itleads you, and then you end up
where you were always meant tobe.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Exactly, exactly, and it's just moment by moment,
breadcrumb by breadcrumb, justfollowing that teeny tiny
feeling.
And some of us have otherdeveloped, more developed senses
.
But the way I teach it isintuition is a language.
It's just the fact that you canspeak the language, you can
speak it, you can listen, youcould receive information and
(48:41):
you've developed your trustmuscle over time.
That's an unstoppablecombination I like how you said
that it.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, that's a really good way to say it that it.
It is a language, and you knowwhat I think when people aren't
used to tapping into it all thetime, sometimes they expect it.
Oh, I get this ringing in myleft ear when I say something,
(49:08):
when people aren't tuned into itall the time or they're not
used to using it as a resource,then they want intuitive
guidance to be louder, moreobvious, more concrete, more
concrete.
I call it like the Looney Tunesanvil falling from the sky in
the middle of your path.
(49:29):
Don't go that way, right.
And it's much more subtle, andso it is developing a
sensitivity to it, and then youalso have to really play around
with trusting it and nottrusting it to learn to trust it
.
You learn to trust it inmoments where you didn't, and
(49:50):
then you can sell it and go well, congratulations, you're
intuitive.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, and I feel like , well, actually, that's the 3D
confirmation that people need,because, okay, here's the data
right, here's what happens whenyou trust that feeling, here's
what happens when you don't.
And it's consistent.
What are you going to choose?
Speaker 1 (50:10):
next Like avoid consequences that never would
have happened sometimes.
And then you think, well, am Ijust being anxious and crazy, or
did I actually sidestepsomething Like we were packing
for a trip?
There's a tiny example.
We were packing for a trip onetime and I generally I pack an
electric toothbrush, but I waspacking my suitcase and I got
(50:30):
this very clear pack twotoothbrushes, like pack a spare.
And I was like what I don'tthat's why?
Yeah, no, I pack an electrictoothbrush.
Why did I hear that?
I must be, this must be anxiety.
That was weird.
We go to the hotel and as I'munpacking, the toothbrush falls
(50:50):
out of my bag.
And as I'm unpacking, thetoothbrush falls out of my bag
and done, done, done onto thehotel floor.
And I am a germaphobe, so thatthing is coming nowhere near my
mouth and I just put and packtwo toothbrushes.
Now all that is transpiring.
How you are getting data fromsomething out there in the 3D
(51:11):
realm.
That hasn't quite happened yet.
That's incredible, but youlearn to trust it.
You go.
I don't know how that'shappening.
It must be that human beingsare magnetic and it's already in
the magnetic field.
It's like anything is possible,but it's also rippling out
based on your choices now.
So once you make a choice now,it's kind of like reality is
(51:34):
becoming more solidified outthere in the future.
So there's a way to tap into theimmediate future in a way that
maybe you're receiving somethingabout it and you just learn to
trust that.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
I love that so much, and let's up the ante with that
idea.
So 2025, shit's going down.
Let's up the ante with thatidea.
So 2025, shit's going down.
It's scary there If we'repaying any attention, like what
the fuck is happening, right?
And so if we're only 3D, ifwe're only left brain, if we're
only concrete, I mean, why leavethe house?
Why do anything?
(52:05):
Why try anything at this point,like there is no hope, the sky
is falling.
Let's quit now.
Let's just leave.
Energetically, everything I'mgetting is this is by design,
this is on purpose.
This time it is scary and we,the magical woo-woo lightworkers
(52:26):
out here, are being activatedto hold that vision, because
there is absolutely apossibility for this all to go
really bad.
Anything is possible.
But if we're in charge of ourenergy now, in the present, we
can absolutely collectivelymanifest the most beautiful
timeline out of this.
(52:46):
Yes, and this is what we'redoing now.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yes, yes, there's a, I feel like it's Edgar Cayce.
There's an author that's writtenabout old souls and, like the
timelines that they've, there'sa pattern of timelines where
people have certain I guess youcould say indigo kids or yeah,
(53:11):
the rainbow children, the lightbeings, have like come back into
consciousness, where there's atheory that that they, they pop
in kind of at the same eras.
So it's like Atlantis, egypt,world war two, and that now is
one of those eras.
And one of the things thathelps me in this time when
(53:33):
things start getting really wildand when you start going, oh my
gosh, in 10 years are we goingto be living in a sci-fi film
and what is happening on theplanet is to remind myself that
this battle between light anddark, if you will, has always
been, and then that's part ofbeing on planet earth, that's
part of the game of planet earth, and that there there have been
(53:56):
eras in time when it wasabsolutely Ooh, I'm getting
chills.
It was absolutely critical andessential that the people that
can carry the light are carryingthe light.
And, um, I joke with James allthe time that my last life was
world war two, cause I'm WorldWar II, because I just started
crying.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
We were probably all friends back then, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (54:19):
I joke that I must have been dead between 1945 and
1983, when I was reborn, becausethe 70s and 60s I just I enjoy.
He loves the 70s music.
I enjoy it, but I don'tresonate with it.
But anyway, suffice it to sayit's like if you think about
what was happening on the planetcollectively in 1945 and how
(54:42):
frightening and overwhelming andhow much pain and grief was
experienced in that era, we canremind ourselves we can do this
again.
You know, there's a, there was ashow, I think it was called man
in the high castle.
That was like what would havehappened to the planet if the
Nazis would have succeeded.
And it's like you we've.
(55:04):
There's always a tensionbetween what's the worst case
scenario and what's the bestcase scenario and sometimes we
get a world where we're kind oflike straddling the line of the
two.
But to remind ourselves thatthis isn't the first time that
there's been a call for like ifyou can be the one that's
bringing the light and holdingthe hope, that's what we're here
(55:26):
to do in this time, and thatwe've done it before and we can
do it again and that the lightwill prevail.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
You want to hear my theory, tell me Okay.
So in 2016, the debates, I hadthis download that we were going
to go back in to World War IIera things and I was like that
makes no sense, that's notpossible, I don't see it.
(55:53):
But it was like fact,downloaded, right, and so it was
like, okay, you're going to goback because this is your chance
to heal it.
You're going to deal with whathappened last time, but it's in
a different era, right Spiralingup, because now we have the
global connectivity in thetechnology.
(56:13):
We've had the decade plus ofawakening, we have the newer
generations coming in, alreadyawake and tapped in.
We have that rebel spiritcoming in and we are the ones
who are inheriting the planet asis.
We are not the silentgeneration.
The silent generation wassilent.
We are not.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Well.
I hope not anywhere now, youknow, with the internet.
I mean, it's a wild contrastwhen you think like there were
people navigating a global warand the only information they
had about it was what was beingprinted in the paper.
(56:54):
Right, that's like.
It's like okay, now, if theycan handle that, we can handle
it, we can, we can do this.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
We've got this.
Yes, yeah, I mean it sucks Likeit's, it is scary outside and
it is really hard, absolutelyAcknowledging that.
But I think, if we just stayfocused on all the things we
have going for us, there's noother way for this to go, and
that parallel to the resurgenceof matriarchy.
I don't see any other option.
(57:23):
There is no other way for thisto go.
The pendulum has swung and I'venever seen so much fire, so
much power, so much confidence.
This is new.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
I know I was thinking about that the other day.
What a blessing it is to livein.
I had this reflection of likeif my past life was in 1945,
it's possible that this is theonly lifetime I've had where
I've had a full-blown career.
I don't know.
It's so true, like what aprivilege to come back in this
(57:56):
time when it's so encouraged anda path has been made for women
to have a career and be a mother.
And you know, you know what Imean it's like.
I know that it's trending totalk about how challenging it is
to try and be everything toeveryone, because of course,
(58:16):
that is a new problem that'spresented as like.
Well, how do you experience allof those roles that female
archetype embodies?
But at the same time.
What a privilege to come back inthis time when there's more
choices available than everbefore for women to have careers
(58:36):
or to be moms, or to be both.
You know what I mean.
It's also a beautiful time thathas brought its new challenges
and new conversations.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
Yeah, I think we chose to be here for this
Absolutely, and then hearkeningback to like movies and eras and
everything I mean the Force isreal.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Oh yeah, I was like when are we going to bring Star
Wars into this?
I was literally just thinking.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
What are we psychic?
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (59:08):
Yeah, Absolutely.
I remember my mom in one of thetime periods that James and I
were apart.
I was dating this guy that hadnever seen Star Wars and my mom
said but honey, have youexplained to him that it's not a
movie for you, it's a way oflife.
Speaker 2 (59:25):
You're a Jedi.
What is there to not understand?
Speaker 1 (59:29):
Huge Star Wars nerd, but it's because I believe that
that film is really casting avision on what it is to be, you
know, human.
And I actually saw a reallycool non sequitur.
I saw a really cool interviewwith George Lucas recently where
someone asked him why does Yodaspeak backwards?
And he said because I knew thatI was making a film for
(59:51):
children and that he is thevoice of wisdom in the series.
He's the one that imparts allof the knowledge, he is the
philosopher and he delivers theentire philosophy of the Star
Wars universe and if I just hadhim talk, people would miss it,
but if I had him talk in an oddcadence, they would have to slow
(01:00:13):
down and pay attention to whathe was saying.
So when he talks-.
Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
It's like time release medicine.
Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I was like, wow, it's kind of like trance induction
with some that's brilliant.
Yoda says backwards.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
So smart, I was like that is awesome George Lucas.
Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Oh my gosh yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
See, amazing.
Has he studied NLP, I wonder?
I bet he has, right.
Oh, so good.
I don't even like.
What do we even talk about next?
Like we could just stay on allday.
Yeah, is there?
Is there anything else that youwant everybody listening to
know?
Like, tune in for me for asecond If there's any one
(01:00:56):
parting message from yourguidance, from your team, from
your soul self.
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Oh, what came up was for those listening.
If we're talking like intuitionand business, I think sometimes
people separate the two andthis is your official invitation
to practice the embodiment ofyour spirituality, your
intuition, your tuning to yourhighest self or your highest
(01:01:23):
timeline.
My friend, catherine Zinkino,always likes to say I'm tuning
to my highest possibilitytimeline.
I like that idea that, like ifwe are magnetic and our choices
are producing a new future andwe're kind of future casting all
the time with our energy, thenyou've got to align to the
timeline in which you want thesebeautiful things to unfold in
(01:01:44):
your life and to not keep thosetotally separate.
You don't have to put businessin a box and then your
spirituality in a different box.
You can practice integratingthe two and that is really
what's going to reveal a careerpathway that feels like it is an
expression of your soul, thatit's an expression of who you
(01:02:06):
are.
It's more than just what youget up in the morning and do.
You're in alignment.
In every way.
You can't be separate.
Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Yeah, it's literally just being yourself.
It's the most yourself youcould ever possibly be.
Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yes, yes, and how could you be designed to be
anything else?
Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Yeah, I mean, you could be brainwashed a little
bit by society, but let's justbreak that, shall we?
Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Yeah, and James has this theory that on some level
your body feels that and thatwhen you're, when you are, when
you're not in touch with what amI here to do?
Who am I here to serve, youwill experience different levels
of dissatisfaction,unfulfillment, burnout or lack
of energy because in some wayyou're not getting into the
(01:02:53):
congruent alignment.
And that's not to say that youdon't get tired when you're in
your dharma.
Of course you can get tired,but it's like there's that
constant circling back to whatwe talked about in the beginning
the energy, the energetics, theintuition, the alignment.
That's the fuel beginning.
The energy, the energetics, theintuition, the alignment.
That's the fuel.
(01:03:13):
So if you feel like you'reconstantly running on empty,
then it's time to maybe diveinto a little bit more of the
soul level, energetics and theconversation around your path.
Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Hallelujah, amen and hallelujah.
Jenny Finley, I have kept youfor an hour and five minutes and
I'm going to let you go back toyour beautiful life.
I so, so, so appreciate you andso appreciate everything you're
doing for the world, and justall the hearts to you, my friend
.
Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Well, same my love.
Thank you so much.
What a privilege to get to talkto you today and everyone
listening, getting to listen toyou always.
Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Thank you for all the work that you do.
Thank you for listening to SoulLevel Human.
If this episode moved somethingin you, share it, text it to a
friend, post to your stories.
The Soul Level Revolutionspreads one brave human at a
time and your voice makes adifference.
So until next time, remember toslow down, tune in, trust your
(01:04:09):
guidance and keep having theaudacity to choose the highest
timeline.
When you show up fully, yougive others permission to do the
same.
Make this the timeline whereyou show up.
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