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Dr. Katie Rose's journey from conventional medicine to soul-led fertility practice began with her own health crisis at age 20. When a nurse secretly pulled her aside and whispered "you need to see a naturopathic doctor," Katie's life changed forever. Despite being on track for traditional medical school and facing skepticism from peers who thought she was "too smart" to choose an alternative path, she followed her intuition into naturopathic medicine—the first time she felt truly seen in a healthcare setting.
What started as a scientific approach to healing gradually expanded as Katie worked with fertility patients. Witnessing what seemed like miracles daily opened her to spiritual dimensions she hadn't previously acknowledged. The turning point came in 2020 when a patient's miscarriage affected her so deeply that she could barely function. This led her to explore spiritual connections to fertility and ultimately receive a profound message during meditation: "You are here to help the souls come through who will heal this planet."
Today, Dr. Katie blends medical expertise with hypnotherapy, nervous system regulation, and soul-level care. She creates a safe space for those trying to conceive by addressing not just physical factors but emotional and spiritual dimensions as well. Her philosophy centers on the understanding that our bodies need to feel safe to conceive, though what creates that safety varies widely between individuals.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Next up on Soul Level , human, and I was only 20 years
old and feeling like I don'tknow that I can live like this,
and an angel of a human being, anurse at my primary care
doctor's office pulled me asideand was like you are too young
to be going down this chronichealth path.
You have to go see anaturopathic doctor.
All of our patients who see oneare healthier.
(00:21):
Don't tell anyone.
I told you this.
She literally pulled me intolike a dark side room that was
like Contraband secretinformation and wrote it on a
Post-it.
I was like, clearly this isn'tgoing in my chart.
Note how interesting Part ofthe light switch that I had in
2020 was being in this deep,transcendental, meditative state
(00:41):
.
I heard in my mind you are hereto help the souls come through
who will heal this planet.
And it was like part of me andI'll probably get pretty
emotional talking about it.
It's like part of me is likethat's a really big fucking job,
like why me and I am skilled atit and I am equipped for it.
And I'm also struggling withthe human side of me, who's
(01:03):
witnessing the suffering andbeing like, really, this is what
we're doing.
I hate this timeline.
What I love about James andJenny and the approach to
business that they take is thatit's so similar to how I
approach fertility, becausethey're looking at a business
holistically.
The strategy is reallyimportant.
You can be successful with that.
But when you combine strategywith releasing limiting beliefs,
(01:26):
following your soul's path,regulating your nervous system,
then we have so much moreopportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And so much more magic too.
You didn't come here to playsafe.
You came to remember your powerand build what comes next.
I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychicmedium and intuition coach, and
this is Soul Level Human thepodcast for truth-tellers,
cycle-breakers and soul-ledrevolutionaries.
You didn't come here to bypassthe chaos.
(01:53):
You came here to lead throughit.
Today, I'm joined by Dr KatieRose, licensed naturopathic
physician, and your new TTC BFFthat's trying to conceive.
For those of you just enteringthe chat, Dr Katie specializes
(02:14):
in fertility and has helpedhundreds of couples get pregnant
by blending medical insightwith intuitive healing, hypnosis
, nervous system work and soullevel care.
We talk about spirit babies,the complications of medicine in
a post-Roe world, what happenswhen we finally learn to listen
to our body, and why yourintuition deserves a seat at the
(02:36):
table, especially in medicine.
Let's drop in.
Dr Katie Rose is on my very ownpodcast and I'm so happy to
have her.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited tobe here.
Sylvia, Thanks for coming on.
I want to let everyone know.
The amount of technicaldifficulties we just had is
(02:56):
absolutely insane, and I don'tusually have them, which is so
funny.
I think we tried to log inthree different times and at one
point it was like oh, I hearyou, I see you.
And you said to me I hear you,I see you.
And I was like oh no, that wasa necessary message, for right
now I hear you, I see you.
So for everybody listeningright now, if you could just
(03:18):
absorb that message into yourcells right now, I hear you, I
see you and thank you for beinghere.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, it's interesting when we have to
overcome a bit to get themessage out.
Interesting pattern to observe.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, I don't believe in mistakes and coincidences,
so I just with technicalrandomness that happens, I'm
always like, oh, there'ssomething in this for me.
Okay, cool, thank you.
And here we are it worksperfectly True of so many things
in life.
That's the truth, if we chooseto see it that way.
Anyway, we always have a choice, right?
We do.
So let's start with just you.
(04:01):
Tell me a little bit about whatyou do in the world, how you
help people.
Let's start there.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh goodness, I am a licensed naturopathic doctor,
hypnotherapist and life coachand I came to this world because
I had my own health strugglesin my early 20s.
In college I was getting sickfrequently and it started as
like getting a sinus infectionand then pneumonia and then
(04:28):
urinary tract infections, and itjust was like over and over and
over again rounds and rounds ofantibiotics and finally coming
to a point where I wassymptomatic but no detectable
infections were present.
And I was only 20 years old andfeeling like I don't know that
I can live like this.
And an angel of a human being,a nurse at my primary care
(04:51):
doctor's office pulled me asideand was like you are too young
to be going down this chronichealth path.
You have to go see anaturopathic doctor.
All of our patients who see oneare healthier.
Don't tell anyone.
I told you this.
She literally pulled me intolike a dark side room room that
was like contraband.
Secret information and likewrote it on a post-it.
I was like clearly this isn'tgoing in my chart note.
(05:12):
Uh, how interesting, yeah.
And it took me a while to sitwith that information because I
didn't know what a naturopathwas.
I had been raised in anopen-minded but very scientific
medical family and so I was likeI don't even know what that
word means.
I'm going to need to sit withit.
(05:33):
And when I finally did followthat instruction and go see a
naturopath, it changed my life.
It was the first time in amedical setting and I'd had a
lot of experience at that pointsitting with someone who really
saw me and heard me and askedbetter questions and spent more
time investigating to reallyunderstand what was happening at
(05:55):
a root cause level, and it wasthe first time in two years that
I started finding relief.
So here I had been on a pathtowards traditional medical
school.
I was in pre-med in college.
I was actually at the point Isaw this naturopath in the
process of medical schoolapplications.
You go through a couple ofrounds to pick your final school
(06:15):
or they pick you, and I wasstruggling to write my essays,
finding myself being like, forthe first time, having this
writer's block that like I don'tknow that I actually want this
path and maybe I'm actuallymeant to go down this
naturopathic medicine path, andeven though all of my friends
(06:37):
were going to traditionalmedical school and thought I was
just being so weird and I heardall the variations of like but
you're too smart for that.
Like, oh, you're just gonna be ahippie doctor.
Like, what are you doing?
And I was like, yeah, you guys,I know, but like it was the
(06:57):
first time that I recallconsciously like really needing
to listen and follow myintuition, like for my own
health and wellbeing.
I had to follow this path, eventhough it felt completely
illogical.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What did that feel like in your body?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Oh, it was a combination of like deep
discomfort but knowing.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Ooh yeah, deep discomfort, but knowing Like
okay, I me too it was like here.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I've been with this school of fish this whole time,
Literally the image I had in mymind Keep going.
I've been with this school offish and I've always been like
maybe a different color of fishand felt like a little bit of an
outsider, but like I go withthem.
And now I have to break awayfrom this school of fish that
I've been comfortable in.
But even though it wascomfortable, it was like this
(07:49):
isn't me and maybe this is whymy body has been reacting the
way it has for so long.
Is there's just so much that Ihave masked and not listened to
up to this point?
And it wasn't just an infection, right, it wasn't just
something you could give anantibiotic and call it a day.
(08:10):
It was like this was deep body,knowing that something needs to
change.
And that was one of the firstthings that happened in my life.
That was uncomfortable but hadto happen.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Wow.
So your body is speaking to youall the time and the
traditional approach is thesnooze button right Shut up, sit
down, be smaller, get over it,let's go.
And you couldn't hold thatanymore.
It was like an overflowingbucket, right.
So then this angel nurse all ofa sudden drops this information
(08:44):
in your lap and your entirelife changes.
What?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
It did.
And you know, thankfully I hadfamily who was supportive enough
to go like, okay, we don'tfully understand it, but like,
do what you got to do.
And I went to naturopathicschool.
I went to naturopathic school.
I found myself after finishingschool and starting in a very
(09:08):
interesting practice.
That was a very masculine-ledpractice, focusing on internal
medicine from a root cause angle.
I found this situation where apatient was sitting in the
waiting room crying.
I was done with my shift, I wasdone for the day, I'd finished
all my chart notes.
The doctor who she was supposedto see was running an hour
(09:29):
behind, so she'd been sitting inthe waiting room for an hour.
I could see she was upset and Icaught the doctor in the
hallway and I said, hey, thiswoman's been sitting here for an
hour.
She's crying.
And he was like, oh, I don't docrying, you deal with her.
Oh, my God, like happily, redflag, I will happily see her.
(09:50):
Not deal with her, I willhappily see her.
And it turned out that she hadjust suffered a miscarriage and
had been diagnosed withHashimoto's and she wanted to
get pregnant and stay pregnant.
And that was my first case withworking with someone who was
struggling with fertility issuesand when she, very shortly
(10:12):
after, got pregnant, doing whatI had put in her plan, I was
like, oh, oh, this is where I'msupposed to be.
And even though it's one of themore challenging areas to work
with because we don't haveguarantees, we can't guarantee
that someone will come away witha baby, it's an opportunity to
support people on a deeper levelthat they've never experienced
(10:34):
before.
So I was called, through thatinitial case, to expand my
learning of fertility andrecurrent pregnancy loss and
have, for the last 11 years,specialized in the fertility
area and, as you know, becausewe've talked off camera about it
, there's so much soul levelintervention that has occurred
(11:00):
along the way that has made merealize like, oh, this also
isn't just about the physicalroot cause.
There's mental, emotional andspiritual pieces of this that
have to be acknowledged as well.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
What was that evolution like?
Because obviously you're on ajourney, right?
It's not like well, I don'tknow.
Was it a light switch moment orwas it a gradual understanding
of oh, there's more here.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
There was a gradual understanding.
I will say like I came intomedical practice.
Maybe I wouldn't call myself anatheist but agnostic.
I'm like I was raised Catholicand went to Episcopalian and
Catholic schools.
Very much had like religionshoved down my throat and I'm
the type of person who tends tolearn things the hard way, and
(11:43):
so I was like nope.
I reject this.
That teenager, you know,18-year-old Katie, was like no.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'm not having any of this be happening.
Fuck this, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
So by the time I came into medical practice, I very
much was thinking about thingsfrom a very scientific level
only.
And the reality is, when you'reworking with fertility this is
not just about an egg and asperm meeting and fertilizing
and creating an embryo you areinviting a whole other human
(12:17):
into this world.
Another soul will come intothis body that's being created,
and I don't know that you canescape working in that field
without feeling like there aremiracles every single day.
And even us right here, adults,we don't always pause to think
about it Like we are living,breathing miracles every single
(12:38):
one of us.
Just the fact that an embryocan go from two separate cells
to a little clump of cells, to afull human like it can really
blow your mind.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It really does If you slow down and think about it
for sure it really does Like.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
The fact that any of it is possible is like what?
So I think that was maybe myfirst like okay, we're dealing
with something more than I wasmaybe ready or comfortable with
at that immature time of my life.
And the more couples that Iworked with and the more
scenarios that I observed wherepeople who had been trying for
(13:19):
10 years, who had neverconceived or had had multiple
pregnancy losses, wereconceiving and having a healthy
baby, it was like no, there'smore here.
And when it really hit me wasprobably around 2020, had
nothing to do with pandemic.
I know a lot of people had wildstuff come through at that
point, but I had a patient whosuffered a later first trimester
(13:44):
miscarriage and it shook memore than previous losses had.
I found myself just barely ableto get out of bed for a couple
of days after that particularpatient's loss and, as it
happened, I was in thismastermind group with other
healthcare providers and theperson who ran the group had,
(14:06):
just for fun, brought anintuitive in to do a New Year's
Eve session with everyone andeven though it was supposed to
be for fun, she like picked upon this grief that I had and I
had my camera off.
But she was like whoa, I amjust picking up like this, this
(14:26):
huge amount of grief and I'mcurious about what might be
going on that I can support youwith.
So I gave her just a verylittle background and she said I
feel very compelled to tell youto read the book Spirit Babies
by Walter McKechnie.
That was literally my nextquestion.
Yep, yeah, and just know thatthere's larger things at play
(14:49):
that you had no control over,because, of course, as the
practitioner, it's like I'mwondering is there anything else
we could have done to prevent?
this I know it's no one's fault,but was there something I
missed that I could haveprevented this from happening
for her?
And reading Spirit Babies wasso comforting on a soul level
(15:11):
that was like, even if you don'tbelieve in psychic activity or
connection with spirits, it waslike this is comforting and now
I have a stepping stone intothat world and that really took
off from there with bringingspirituality into my practice
and learning more about my ownhuman design and how that
(15:31):
relates to spirituality, andtrusting some of the intuitive
hits that I've received over theyears that I had tended to
ignore because they weren'tabout me right.
I was like, when it came to meand my own body, I feel pretty
confident in listening andfollowing that instruction.
But when I would have a dreamabout a patient, I'd be like, oh
, that's weird dreams, shovethat away in a little yeah, and
(15:54):
now going like, oh no, there'sactually a lot more wisdom in
that that I can be providing forpeople as well.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's like you're the translator.
You're literally the mediumbetween two worlds.
You have this education, thisfoundation of understanding of
the science, how this worldactually works, with the 3D and
the building blocks andeverything, and you also have
this beautiful connection thatyou've started to really develop
and lean into and you could nothave predicted that when you
(16:24):
first started out on yourjourney back in pre-med.
I mean if you took a snapshotof your current life and sent it
back to teenager you.
I feel like your mind would beblown.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, and I do some work with that, with connection
to past self and future self.
Tell me please, so it was.
This is always a fun storybecause I call it my
breakthrough moment, because itwas like literal, physical and
emotional, spiritual Tell meabout this.
So a few years ago, four yearsago or so, I'd had quite an
(16:54):
exhausting series of events ofour family having COVID and then
stomach flu and my husbandgoing out of town for a
conference.
And the kids were little atthis point, like five and two,
four and one somewhere aroundthere, and I hadn't slept in
about four days.
The kids were well again, but Iwas not.
I was on the tail of the stomachflu and trying to get their
(17:16):
lunches together for preschool,and one of them is like tugging
on my arm.
The other one is like,hollering at me from the other
end of the house and I was justlike I can't, like I just like
toss the peanut butter down onthe counter.
I ran to my bedroom, slammed thedoor and kicked a hole in the
wall Like I threw a full ontemper tantrum and I was like,
(17:41):
okay, it's time I startlistening to things differently
and start doing some thingsdifferently, because I think we
are all at risk of just fallinginto day-to-day life and
busyness and not intentionallyslowing down.
And so when I look back at thattime, I was like there's
probably six months that I justhad not very intentionally
slowed down for myself and,knowing what I know, I was like,
(18:05):
okay, like I know, this is asign that I need to be doing
some things differently.
But I didn't know what thatlooked like and I had tried
going to therapy and I was like,oh my God, this is frustrating
as hell because we're justtalking about things in circles
and like I am ready to just shedlayers, like I could feel like
I was crawling out of my skin.
(18:25):
Yes, and I ended up comingacross a podcast that I had
listened to for years before andit had always been very much in
my realm of like gut health andhormones, and I started
listening to it.
I was like, oh, this they'vechanged.
They are now talking about likedeep transformation and like
hard life events that led tomassive growth.
(18:49):
And for anyone who may bewondering what podcast are you
talking about?
It used to be called the ZestyGinger podcast and I think maybe
now it's just becoming Zesty.
Megan Blacksmith was talkingabout something on that podcast
that I was just like this ishitting every note that I've
been trying to hear but couldn'tquite allow through and she was
(19:12):
leading a hypnosis training andI just intuitively knew I was
like I have to do this this is ayes, if nothing else, this is
for me to show up as the bestversion of myself, as the best
parent I to show up as the bestversion of myself, as the best
parent I can be, as the bestleader of my family that I can
be, and help.
Maybe I'll learn something forother people too.
(19:32):
So I ended up doing thattraining, absolutely falling in
love with the tools of hypnosisand neuro-linguistic programming
and quantum time technique, andbringing that into practice,
having really profoundexperiences with my patients and
clients who had these spiritualexperiences with hypnosis where
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they would have, like theirgrandmother, who had recently
passed, come to them in thesession, or their future baby,
who they had been trying for,come and communicate, and so I
was just like, okay, I don'tknow what the hell this is, but
I guess this is what needed tohappen.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
We're going in.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I joke that I'm like, I'm not a psychic in a
traditional sense of like-.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
The neon sign on the window and the yeah and.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I can't just close my eyes and be like, oh, I'm
getting this message, but I'mgetting this message, but I'm
really good at facilitatingpeople receiving their own
messages.
That's such a gift.
It's been really, reallyincredible.
So that was my own sort ofpersonal evolution into bringing
tools into my business to helpwith that, because there's only
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so much testing that you can doof the physical body.
But if someone has a limitingbelief, if someone's nervous
system is completelydysregulated due to trauma, if
there's been a soul knocking attheir heart that they haven't
quite been able to receive themessages from, then, there's
ways that we can workdifferently.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, I always say, when you've done everything 3D,
it's time to go behind thescenes and see what's going on
back there too.
Absolutely, it's vital, it's sohuge.
And that's amazing too, becauseit's so easy to say like, oh,
my past life was in Egypt and Ihad all this stuff.
You can't verify it.
You can't verify it, and that'smy frustration with that kind
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of stuff, like it's so fun, it'sinteresting, but you can't have
the evidential stuff to back itup.
And with what you do, I don'tknow that it's evidence,
necessarily, but you get realtime 3D feedback in the progress
of where you're going and Ithink that's so powerful, even
outside of the fertility space.
Just as a human, as a soullevel human, you having these
(21:44):
experiences that you canfacilitate for yourself and
others.
It's like you're meeting in asacred circle with your patients
, with your clients, and sharingthis incredible moment of
opportunity.
Yeah, that's so powerful.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I would agree it's been pretty incredible, you know
it's.
It's also allowed me to seethat I don't have to only work
with people who are dealing withfertility issues, because a lot
of times they'll.
This happened by accident and Ithink you'll appreciate this
story.
There's a person who I had beenworking with for fertility
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through her first child and shewas trying for her second and we
started doing this breakthroughwork and she was like, oh my
gosh, this is incredible, can mymom do this with you?
And before I could actuallyanswer her, because she'd had my
booking link herself, sheforwarded it to her mom and her
mom ended up signing up for apackage of hypnosis sessions.
And I was honestly terrifiedbecause I was like this woman's
(22:41):
like 70 years old she's aretired tenured psychology
professor and like impostersyndrome, like really came out
strong there.
I was like what am I doing?
I'm like, why does she want todo this?
And yet it's come to myawareness that this isn't just
about helping someone getpregnant or stay pregnant.
It's like we are in a time ofdeep suffering, turmoil, but
(23:06):
transformation, in which we'recreating an ecosystem that the
souls who are trying to comethrough who will have the
greatest benefit on healing thisplanet will be able to come
through and not have to dealwith so much of the human
bullshit that we carry.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Dear God, I hope so.
I've heard a few of my friendsare like you know, this could
take like 400 years, right?
And I'm like I reject thatreality so hard.
I am impatient, I want thingsto instantly manifest.
No, we're handling this in onegeneration and my kids are going
to be better off than I was,you know.
And I sit with all of thoserealities and I also think about
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all the people who are likedebating.
You know, do I want to be aparent, do I not?
What are the ethics of bringingin new babies to this planet,
this dying planet, right?
And if you look at it from thesoul perspective again, it's
like, well, it's not just aboutwhat we want necessarily to.
These souls also want to come,have the experience and also
(24:05):
want to have some kind of effectand play with the dense energy
that we have.
And it's so interesting and atthe same time it's so difficult
to hold both realities, becauseit is really dense here and it
is terrifying and hard andheartbreaking in a lot of ways.
And we're in our nice cushyplaces here in the States and
(24:26):
even in the States we're havingsome shit go down.
So that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I mean to be really transparent.
I've been struggling with thatso much in the past.
Let's see six months to bepretty much exact, but even
before that there's just trendsthat you can see in the world
that go like gosh.
People are coming to me wantingto have babies and I'm
(24:52):
supporting them and facilitatingthat.
Am I also facilitating moresuffering in the world?
by bringing more life into theworld.
But part of the light switchthat I had in 2020 was being in
this deep, transcendentalmeditative state and having this
really strong connectionfeeling and I don't even know if
(25:16):
I could say message, but likeheard in my mind like you are
here to help the souls comethrough who will heal this
planet, and it was like part ofme I'll probably get pretty
emotional talking about it.
It's like part of me is likethat's a really big fucking job,
like why me?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Can I?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
just like have fun in this, however many years I get
on this planet, and like likethat's a, that's a lot, and I am
skilled at it and I am equippedfor it.
And I'm also struggling withthe human side of me who's
witnessing the suffering andbeing like, really, this is what
we're doing.
I hate this timeline.
So I really appreciate thepeople who are struggling with
(26:11):
that decision of Mm-hmm.
They know what they're gettinginto and it's not my job to
control that.
So I've been in a deep state ofconflict, like inner conflict,
around this for months and Ithink it's probably impacted to
some extent, like how open I amto how many people can come and
(26:33):
work with me.
So I've been very like a little, I don't know, like I've had
some energetic guards up, yeah,and yet I can sense that there
is a shift coming, even if Idon't know what it is.
It's similar to that feelingthat I had, maybe when I had to
make the decision of do I wantto pursue naturopathic medical
school or go off on thistraditional route.
(26:55):
It's like I feel this kind ofstate of unrest like something
is coming.
I think it's going to be okay,but right now it doesn't feel
okay and it's hard to put wordsto it.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, I've, I've been feeling the same.
Everything, really, sinceNovember.
It's like a.
It's like a mentalreorganization that's been
happening where it's like, wait,which which timeline am I on?
And that's the kind of 2025 I'mgonna have and wait.
What's you want me to do?
What?
Now?
You know, and, um, it has beena lot.
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It has been a lot, and onething that you said was that you
commend the people who aresitting with the choice and at a
time like today, having thatchoice is very contentious and
apparently it's very vilifiedFrom the soul level.
Everything in the universe isfree will.
Why wouldn't that be the same?
(27:54):
What's your take on all of this?
Because I'm sure I have manythings to say, but you're on the
front lines and you have manymore.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So working in healthcare and just at like the
very basic, like I am a medicalprovider and I have to help my
patients make the best decisionfor them, regardless of what my
beliefs, my religion or anythingelse maybe.
But I will say I stand verystrongly in choice and that when
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we have all the medical care atour disposal, everyone is
better for it Not just the womanwho might be struggling with a
decision of whether she wants tocarry a pregnancy, but her
entire ecosystem.
When a woman feels empowered tomake her own choices, everyone
benefits.
So that has been challenging Imean really for years, since Roe
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v Wade was overturned likethat's been a struggle.
Living in Arizona, where wehave more limitations but
thankfully we have a governorwho's really on board with women
having choice, it's been achallenge and feeling like your
hands are tied, like there's notmuch one person can do.
(29:07):
So how do you negotiate thatwith the small actions that you
might be able to take on aday-to-day basis without getting
overwhelmed by everythingthat's happening?
That's been a challenge, Ithink, for so many of us.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Absolutely.
Do you have a network of otherphysicians that you keep in
contact with?
Do you have community at all inthat space, or are you just
feeling like you're carryingeverything on your own.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
No, there is definitely a community and I
will say overwhelmingly, mostphysicians I talk to agree with
this, because we took an oath todo no harm and to always put
our patient's best interestsfirst.
So, overwhelmingly physiciansare in agreeance about this.
(29:53):
It's a minority of physicianswho would sit in the forced
birth corner, but it's stillchallenging to talk about
publicly because there is somuch misinformation and backlash
from people who are so.
Maybe brainwashed is a word,harsh word but it feels that way
(30:17):
sometimes.
But yes, there are thankfullyso many amazing providers who
are.
Some of them have the skill setto be on the front lines of
this conversation and some of usare more quietly working in the
background.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And I think both are needed.
I think both are needed.
There's space for all.
I just mentioned the analogy ofa choir in my last show, and
it's truly like that.
I mean, every person is giventheir part to play, and if one
person opts out of that part,you can hear it it definitely
affects the whole who is onvarious parts of their journey,
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where they have, you know,different fears or different
consequences of actuallyspeaking out.
The message is to not not doanything right, but you can
still find something in yourwheelhouse, in your world, to do
, and that's okay too.
There is space for all of it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, and sometimes it starts with just by
regulating your own nervoussystem, gathering some tools to
learn how to process youremotions, to find small pockets
of joy first, like take care ofyou first, and then what can you
do with the people who areclosest to you, even if that
just means that, with your ownkids, you're helping them
(31:36):
regulate their emotions, justmeans that, with your own kids,
you're helping them regulatetheir emotions.
There's so much that can besaid for what we're able to do
within our own homes and withour own communities.
We don't all have to run toWashington and lobby.
There's a lot that can stillbenefit the larger ecosystem by
just taking care of you.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, definitely starting there, seeing the water
on the wall behind you just theidea of drowning, for example
that really comes to mind,because if somebody's drowning
and your only response is tofreak out, that doesn't actually
help them.
Right, you have to regulate,you have to stay present, you
have to think quickly, you haveto rely on whatever knowledge
you have.
You can call for help, you canlearn to swim for next time.
(32:16):
There's so many things to doother than being angry and
spinning out.
And at the same time, if you'reoverwhelmed and spinning out,
that makes sense too.
So, really, the first step isalways going to be to look at
the person in the mirror andtake care of that person too, so
that you can hold anything else.
Yeah, and that goes for COVID,it goes for parenting, it goes
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for relationships, it goes forthe situation we find ourselves
in now right it does.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
It does so much so and I will say largely, I'm
working 90, 95% with people whowant so badly to be parents.
They have been trying for solong and it is their dream and
they have that tug on theirheart.
So the majority of the time istrying to help people find that.
But occasionally we'll havethat conversation with someone
(33:05):
who's like I thought I wantedthis, but now that this is
happening in the world I'm notso sure.
And that's been a newerconversation over the last six
months.
Yeah, that has been very realand heartbreaking.
And again, we need to have thatchoice and to be able to stand
in our own power around it andtrust that whatever choice you
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make for yourself, it's for you.
No one else is living your life.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That's exactly it.
Also, how huge to have thatopportunity to talk it through
with you on so many differentlevels, because in a regular
fertility clinic or whatever, itwould be just about okay, well,
what do you want to do?
You know it wouldn't have thatdepth that you're able to offer
and I really appreciate you forthat.
That's a really special thingand I just really want you to
(33:54):
take in that.
That's so level, like I don'tknow what more you could be
doing.
Like you're a parent.
You're showing upprofessionally in this way.
Props to you, cause you didn'thave to listen to yourself back
in college and you didn't haveto listen to yourself during
COVID and you didn't have tolisten to yourself even six
months ago and getting yourselfto here.
(34:15):
So you're holding a lot and Isee you and I appreciate you.
You're going to make me cry.
I received that Good.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Good, thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, let's take this to parenting.
What was your journey likegetting pregnant with them
calling them forward.
What was that all like?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
like getting pregnant with them, calling them forward
Like what was, what was thatall like?
So I had always imagined myselfas a mother.
I even actually told my almostnine-year-old son this story
recently as we were walking pastthis old building that's now
empty that used to have this toystore.
And when I was nine years old,I saved up a hundred dollars to
buy this very lifelike baby doll.
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That was was literally like aweighted baby doll she weighed
about eight pounds, lookedexactly like an infant, and I
was obsessed with buying thisbaby doll, taking care of her,
and I'd always had that as avision.
And at a certain point inmedical school I had gone
through a pretty hard breakup,was kind of at this, like F,
(35:22):
this I'm probably never going tofind my person?
Why am I even on birth control?
Why?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
am I on birth control and then starting to get?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
mad about like why was I even put on birth control
in the first place?
Because I had been put on itinitially for acne and then just
stayed on it because I wasgoing to college.
And at that point I realizedlike I've been on this for like
eight years.
I don't even know what my bodydoes without it.
So I stopped taking my hormonalbirth control and then I just
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didn't get a period.
And I got one finally afterabout six months and I was like,
oh, okay, good, and then notfor another six months and it
was clear to me that if I'm notgetting a period, we're going to
have a problem if and when thetime comes that I do want to
have kids.
So I went to my OBGYN, who I'dseen since I was about 18.
And I told her she was thefirst person that I confided in.
(36:17):
Like I'm actually really scaredabout what this means and I'm
afraid I won't be able to havekids.
And she was just like, oh,you're so young, like I think I
was 25.
She's like you're so young,like you have nothing to worry
about.
If it bothers you not to have aperiod, just go back on birth
control.
And I was like but if I'm notovulating now, why would that
(36:42):
change if I just go back onbirth control?
Clearly it was masking somethingand so it took me on this wild
journey of figuring out what washappening in my body.
What was my hormonal situationwanting to communicate?
My hormonal situation wantingto communicate.
And I did eventually meet mynow husband and even from there,
(37:02):
it took about another year anda half, two years to notice
signs of ovulation and I neverreally confided in him.
How scared I was.
In fact, I kind of put on abrave front of like, oh you know
, if it doesn't happen, thenwe'll just be that couple that
travels a lot.
And yet I knew that in my soul,like it would probably hurt a
(37:28):
lot more if we didn't have kids.
I started working with ahomeopath just to, you know,
work on some things that I neverreally looked at before.
She does like cellulardetoxification, but she also has
, like these deeperconversations and we were
talking about relationship to myown parents and I was like,
(37:48):
well, I don't know my dad, andshe was like and and I was like
I don't know, and what she wasit?
She was like, hmm, there's morehere, my friend, yes, I have a
feeling there might be somethingthere that may be also creating
some energetic bracing.
(38:08):
Something within your body isresponding to that and you may
need to just explore it a littlebit.
And I was so resistant to it atfirst.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I can imagine.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
In part out of like loyalty for my own mom, because
she is amazing.
She really took on both roleswith so much grace and she's a
brilliant human and she nevermade it feel like we were
anything less than just a greatfamily unit, just me and her,
and I felt that way too.
And so there was a part of methat was like, oh, but if I go
(38:44):
down that path of exploring moreabout that lack of paternal
relationship, am I disloyal tomy mom?
And that felt interesting tonotice in myself.
So I had to have a conversationwith her first about it and she
was just like no, I completelyunderstand.
Like it's so natural to havethat curiosity and to want to
(39:05):
know more.
So, like you know, fullblessing, like do whatever you
got to do.
And so I spent quite a bit oftime with that, just starting
with some online research aboutyou know that side of the family
, what could I learn?
And really, sitting in the like, is there a need to actually
know this person, or is therejust a curiosity that has to be
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met for me to be able to moveinto parenthood and to be able
to have a conversation with myhusband about what that actually
really looked like to be asingle parent household and
knowing that I don't want that.
I want to raise children withtwo parents.
I want to know that, no matterwhat happens, we're in this
(39:51):
together.
Really groundbreakingconversation for me to have,
because I had put a lot ofavoidance around those sort of
deep things and, even though mycycles weren't even close to
being totally regular, I endedup getting pregnant after we'd
been married for about sixmonths.
Wow, after all thoseconversations, after all those
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conversations yeah, and we hadnever.
I had been very intentional,because I was already working in
the fertility space to noticemy language and my energy around
things, and I didn't want totry to get pregnant.
I wanted to be open to what theuniverse wanted for me and what
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I was meant to learn from that,and so we pulled the goalie and
allowed for pregnancy.
But I really didn't ever wantto step into the energy of
trying.
So that was baby number one,and with baby number two it took
a long time for my period tocome back and I just really
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trusted my body that it knewwhat it was doing and that it
was okay that it took a while tocome back, that there was some
nourishment that needed to takeplace and I felt like the energy
of my second son well before hewas actually conceived.
I just knew You're coming, Isee you, I feel you.
I was like I feel this littlesoul pretty strongly and I also
(41:21):
I know some people think itsounds like TMI or crazy, but I
was like I knew when I gotpregnant Yep, yep, same, and his
energy like totally matcheslike what I was feeling leading
up to that conception as well.
So his personality doesn'tsurprise me in one bit.
And it's so funny becausesociety has all these
(41:44):
expectations.
My kids have an almostfour-year gap and they're like
gosh, wouldn't you want to havethem closer together?
And I'm like as if I hadcontrol over that.
Yeah, yeah, for real, oh, mygosh.
So it's just so funny.
But they're exactly who they'remeant to be and I'm glad that I
trusted my body and had some ofthose hard conversations to get
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there.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Gosh, imagine all the energy you moved out of the way
with all those conversationsand really sitting with the
truth of everything and what youreally wanted out of whatever
came next.
Yeah, you mentioned trustingyour body.
Was that your experiencethrough birthing?
Also in?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
pregnancy.
How was that for you?
It's just so good to reflect on.
First time around, I trusted mybody.
My providers were maybe alittle more difficult.
I was scheduled to labor andbirth at a birth center that had
a hospital affiliation, butthey were a separate building,
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separate entity, and I went intolabor with my first son a
little early.
I was like 37 weeks and twodays and they had a cutoff of 37
weeks.
So I was like just over theircutoff and my water had broken
pretty early on at home and Iwas like, well, you know, I
(43:06):
don't know what that looks likebecause I've never done this
before, so we'll just go inafter.
I'd only been havingcontractions for about an hour,
since my water had broken, andit was July in Arizona.
It was like 112 degrees out.
We had to go take my dog to myparents' house first, so we'd
been in the car for like an hourby the time we got to the birth
(43:26):
center.
I was hot and she didn't likethat.
My temperature was a 99.
And she didn't like that.
My water had broken before Iwas in active labor and they
ended up transferring me to thehospital.
So I was pacing around intriage at the hospital.
They had these like fabricchairs.
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I'm leaking.
Like no one had thought to giveme a pad.
I'm leaking.
And the lady's like, would youlike to sit down?
I was like no, I would not liketo fucking sit down.
Listen, lady, do you wantamniotic fluid on your chairs,
bitch?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, coming, right up oh yeah, in labor, all bets
are off in labor.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Oh, my word.
So I was so angry and it juststalled labor out, like I
basically stopped havingcontractions altogether.
Like by the time they got me ina room an hour and a half later
, I was just like well,nothing's happening here and I
have my mom and my husband withme and my mom's an acupuncturist
(44:28):
now.
she wasn't when I was growing up, but she she was like well,
maybe we can just do someneedles, if they let us, and see
if we can move things along.
And it started to, but not tothe midwife's liking.
She wanted things to move alittle faster.
So they urged me to takePitocin and I started at a
(44:49):
really low dose and they rampedit up over the next five hours
and then, I think by the timeI'd been in labor for about 12
hours, they were like yeah, weprobably just need to give you a
full dose and they might aswell just offer an epidural at
the same time.
Because it was a pretty wildlyunproductive labor experience.
(45:11):
Labor wasn't progressing, but Iwas in a lot of pain.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
So once they had a shift change and I got a new
midwife and she knew me better,she was like, listen, if you
were my daughter and we knew wewanted this baby to come out
with as little trauma aspossible, I would be
recommending pain control.
You do, you, but that's asuggestion and it was just such
(45:37):
a nice way of inviting me intothe conversation of my own care
and I got an epidural.
It was the best thing that everhappened in that moment and I
was able to relax and nap and Ithink my body, finally relaxing,
just allowed things to progress.
Finally, everything else wasuncomplicated, thankfully, super
(45:59):
healthy little baby.
But we knew that for my nextbirth experience, well, I knew
that things needed to bedifferent.
So I started interviewing homebirth midwives pretty early on
in that pregnancy and had areally smooth, easy delivery in
a home birth for him.
That was so empowering and myhusband always joked that like
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you could have probably justgone off in the woods and like
caught that baby yourself.
Like it felt like you didn'treally need any of us and I was
like, no, I really didn't, butit was nice to have you there
and I really felt.
I felt so connected to my babyin that particular labor and
delivery.
We were just in it, talking toeach other the whole time and at
(46:45):
no point did I feel scared orlike I think maybe my body was
screaming, but I just knew Icould do this.
And trusting my body with thatone, just like fully
surrendering, was amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
That's incredible.
I had a very similar experiencetoo.
But I want to ask you do youfind that there's a parallel
with how that went down thefirst time and the second time,
to how you were navigating yourown connection and your own
intuition outside of that space?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, I do.
I mean, I think I was still sonew to really recognizing
intuition my first time around.
I had followed it, I'd hadthose moments right, but I
didn't quite know, maybe not howto listen to my intuition, but
how to fully advocate for myself.
Yeah, because here you havethese providers.
(47:38):
They're experts.
This midwife who transferred mehad been midwifing for 30 years
and I was like who am I to be?
Like you don't know what you'redoing, and so that would
probably be the key differencewas in really advocating and
trusting and surrendering, butthe advocation was the strongest
part.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I feel like there's an element of self-power just
from that knowing, because thefirst time you don't know what
you don't know.
You've never done this beforeand it makes sense that you'd be
like, okay, I trust you, you'redoing this every single day.
And then for me I remember,because I had been studying
psychic skills and energy andstuff for I don't know what
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three or four years at thatpoint, and I had felt very
connected with conception andwith everything.
Like you're saying, I wasfeeling them before they came in
.
It made sense to me, everythingwas nice and easy, blah, blah,
blah.
And then a friend had gifted mehypno babies, but I hadn't
really doubled down onpracticing it that first time
around.
And I just remember this momentin labor that first time.
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It was a three-hour labor with20 minutes of pushing.
It was very intense on thefirst day of Aries which
completely lines up with herpersonality, by the way, yeah.
So I just remember every musclein my body tense and everything
was like oh my God, oh my God,oh my God, oh my God.
And it was like this is notwhat I practiced, this is not
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what I practiced, this is notwhat I practiced and I just
couldn't get to the point oflike, surrender and release and
trust.
I couldn't get there, eventhough I was like I'm calling on
my grandma, I'm calling myguides, I'm calling everybody,
but this is fucking hard, it'sscary, yeah, so it was that.
And then I tore because I waspushing.
They were like it's time topush, you know.
Okay, so that was that version.
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From that in 2015 to 2020,right before everything it was,
you know, so much growth and somuch self-discovery and so much
work on, you know, intuition andthe connection and the trust
that on the second time around,it was so um, it was I'm not
(49:43):
going to say it was easy, butease filled.
There was that sense ofsurrender and co-creation and
collaboration in that um that Iwas definitely able to access,
just that relaxing into it.
Even though obviously thecontractions and the surgeons
surges were intense and painful,I was really able to fall on
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the hypnobabies and thepreparation and the space that
I'd created, I guess, isn't thatwild.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
It's so wild, birth is so wild.
I mean, if you have the skillset and you're open to it being
a spiritual experience like ohmy gosh.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
It's just it's an initiation Otherworldly.
So thank you for hypnotherapyon that category too, because it
really truly was a lifesaver.
If anyone is pregnant,listening to this, hypnobabies
is where it's at it is.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
I refer to it as well and, of course, like if oh, my
goodness, I can't remember whattext it was that I was reading
about.
It may have been in SpiritualFertility, which is another
great book about just thespirituality of conception and
pregnancy, and that if someoneis struggling in labor or if
they have fears leading up tolabor or even fears leading up
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to conception because they'vebeen handed down these stories
about how terrible labor anddelivery and how hard postpartum
is and all of these things thatmay not really belong to them,
that hypnotherapy is such aneffective way to unwind that
trauma.
And even though people think oftrauma as being like this
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capital T situation, we alsoabsorb trauma from other
situations where other peopledidn't have the skills to deal
with the situation, and thenthey project those stories onto
us and our unconscious mindreally doesn't know the
difference between somethingthat happened to someone else
and something that happened tous.
So hypnosis is just such ahighly effective tool for
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clearing those I hate to callthem blockages, because it's not
like a concrete roadblock, it'smore of like a curtain that we
just need to move aside, it canbe really gentle.
Oh, I love that.
I just love hypnosis.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I love how you reframed that, because it does
have such a weight and a stigma,though your blockages yes.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I know I don't like it, but I also don't know how
else to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
It could be more gentle, it could be more easeful
, it could be easier.
We think of everything that wewere talking about with therapy,
too.
It's talking and going aroundin circles and going in your
grief and your trauma andeverything feels so hard because
you're going at it with the 3Dtools that you have right, and
with hypnosis it doesn't feel asheavy, it doesn't take as long,
(52:36):
it's easier, it's lighter, it'sjust not as hard.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
I find that as well.
And not to downplay therapyyeah, I think both are important
time and places for doingthings differently too, and so
just offering that as an optionto people is often, you know,
people are surprised thatletting go of energy and weight
(53:01):
can be easier and can actuallylead to feeling lightness faster
.
So I'm a big fan, but I'mbiased, obviously.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah Well, I'm with you and we're in the same boat.
I don't want to take so much ofyour time, money and business
that we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
Well, I think it's pretty safe to say that as we
are raised, we hear things aboutmoney and that can influence
our own relationship to money.
And even people who have,objectively, a lot of dollars in
a bank account, they can stillstruggle with their relationship
with money.
I do think it's really fun andinteresting to talk about money,
(53:38):
in part because it's a stigma,and I remember I remember seeing
my mom's paycheck one time whenI was growing up and I was like
is that how much you make?
And she was just like, oh, wedon't really talk about those.
Oh yeah, that's taboo.
And then it was like put in adrawer and never talked about
again and I was like, oh well, Ithought that was going to be a
really interesting conversationand I was like a little Scourge
McDuck.
When I was a kid, if someonegave me a bunch of coins I'd be
(54:00):
like ha ha, diving and swimmingthrough this.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
I would imagine that and I would hand, count and put
them in the rolls and take themto the bank and I just loved it.
It was so much fun.
And then at a certain pointyou're told that you're not
supposed to do that.
You're not supposed to talkabout money, it's not classy to
talk about it, or people whohave a lot of money are greedy.
There's just so much that wecarry around it.
(54:27):
And, working in the fertilityspace, I've seen some
interesting things come uparound when my biggest intention
with people is to help themfigure out what their body, mind
and spirit needs to feel safeto conceive.
And you know, maybe you havesomeone who's already gone
through three rounds of IVF andspent $90,000, but money was
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already like a safety andsecurity issue for them that was
never addressed.
And now they're being sold thisidea that IVF was the only way
they could get pregnant andthey've already spent their
entire life savings and nowtheir foundation is rocked even
further.
So I've gotten into more andmore conversations around money
and I'm so glad that I have thistraining with hypnosis and
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subconscious work to be able tohold space for those
conversations, becauseoftentimes, when we can
understand what that type ofsecurity brings to someone, we
can find other ways to createsafety and then, when the
nervous system feels morecomfortable about money
conversations, we can open upother pathways to abundance and
(55:36):
recognize that money is justenergy and I know that it's.
You know, I don't want to be anasshole and be like it's all
just energy.
It's like you know, at the 3Dlevel, we have to pay our bills.
Yeah, we have to keep a roofover our head, and if we can't
do that, then we've got somefiguring out to do.
But if we've already got thatand our needs are met on that
(55:58):
basic level of like I can payfor my shelter, I can pay for my
food, I can keep the lights onand the water running, what else
does my nervous system need tofeel safe and abundant?
Money might be one part of that,but it's being able to feel
safe talking about money and notaligning your own human worth
(56:21):
to the number of dollars in yourbank account, hopefully not
having to make decisions aboutgrowing your family based on
that alone, because money comesand goes, and so what I hate is
for someone to not invest inthemselves what they are worthy
of to grow their family becausethey're scared about money and
(56:42):
it's a nuanced conversation.
I have a lot of respect forthat.
I did not grow up wealthy byany means.
I feel quite wealthy nowbecause I've worked on my own
relationship with money.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Well, I think we're just going into the whole
conversation about theenergetics of money and
receiving and how it correlateswith all the energy work that
you do and the physical workthat you do also.
I think it is so tied togetherand it's so interesting that the
root and sacral chakra have somuch to do with all of your work
and no wonder you talk aboutboth of those things and it's
amazing that you even have thespace to hold that all of your
work and no wonder you talkabout both of those things.
(57:15):
And it's amazing that you evenhave the space to hold that
conversation within yourpractice, because, again, it's
not a normal, acceptable way todo things in the regular world
to integrate all of thoseconversations and you get to.
And I want to say also that athrough line that I've noticed
from everything that you've beensaying, from your relationship
(57:37):
with your mom to therelationship that you had with
yourself when you were choosingto go this route instead of the
regular medical route right andinto discovering hypnosis and
energy and everything the bigthrough line for me is safety.
You had the safety to go intothe different conversations and
(57:58):
the different spaces and look atthe safety that you're also
able to offer others, because ifyou didn't have it, you
wouldn't be able to turn aroundand offer it.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, so that's beautiful it is and it's funny
how that's maybe one of theparts of my practice that has
evolved the most is just beingable to identify that, but also
identify that our body needs tofeel safe to conceive.
And that's going to lookdifferent for everyone because,
as it's been brought to myattention by people who have
(58:31):
been on a long fertility journey, they're like you'd have some
crack addict under a bridgewho's getting pregnant.
How is it that her body feelssafe?
I can't answer that for thatand I don't know what that
soul's journey is here for.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
At that point it is a soul contract situation.
What do you know?
Yeah, oh yeah, Like we, we canall judge that.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
Right, yeah, so we really have to reserve judgment
and stay curious about, like,what do I need, what does this
body need to feel safe, whatdoes this relationship need to
feel safe?
And being able to turn inwardto ask those questions instead
of asking like, well, why thatperson and why me?
And like you know, there'sthere's so much judgment that we
can bring into a situation andwhen we can release that and
(59:14):
stay curious, that's the pathwayto that safety.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, and the fastest pathway to moving energy to get
there also.
Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.
So I want to end by talkingabout business by design, which
is how we know each other, andalso I know that you have a
three-day event coming up.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
I do.
Yes, I have to give a shout outto Business by Design because
I've met the best people in it.
Truly, truly, it gets reallylonely as a business owner, as a
small business owner who hasfor the last four years worked a
lot from home and worked in away that not everyone else
(59:57):
understands.
So finding my people inbusiness by design has been very
nourishing for my soul and alsogood for me because I can tend
to lean a little more heavily onthe woo and the energy and the
soul work and neglect the like.
Okay, what is my actualstrategy?
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
for doing anything.
What am I doing today?
Right Got it.
Module four I got it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Yeah, but what I love about James and Jenny and the
approach to business that theytake is that it's so similar to
how I approach fertility,because they're looking at a
business holistically, like,yeah, strategy is really
important and you can besuccessful with that.
But like, when you combinestrategy with releasing limiting
beliefs, following your soul'spath, regulating your nervous
(01:00:46):
system, then we have so muchmore opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
And so much more magic too.
I mean, you can't possiblycontrol or predict the magic
that happens when you show up inthis way.
I mean even just having thisconversation now, like there's
no way I would have met youother than business by design
and our weekend in Sedonatogether, and we just completely
hit it off.
We're like oh, you're cool,Awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I was like we're going to be friends.
Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, and done Exactly so.
I'm just so grateful.
Shout out James and Jenny andTeam Wedmore You're amazing, I
love you so much and also thework that they do in terms of
supporting people with theirmoney story and abundance
journey, and their energeticstoo.
I just love it.
It's all everything I love totalk about.
(01:01:32):
It's so good, it's so good, andthe more good people can be
successful, the more good we cando in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
And we have to remember that, as people who can
be easily brought down by allthe occurrences in the world,
it's like we have to rememberthat when money is in the hands
of good people, it onlymagnifies the good.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yeah, we have to hold that vision.
Now tell me about yourthree-day event coming up,
because that sounds so exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Yes, so a few times a year, I run an online virtual
fertility retreat.
And what's really importantabout this so everything that
we've talked about in this hourand learning what your body
needs to feel safe that is whatthis retreat is geared towards.
So I know that so many womencome at their fertility journey
solely focused on, like what'shappening on a physical level,
like am I ovulating, am I timingeverything right, am I taking
the right supplements and it'svery much from this lens of like
(01:02:27):
, doing, doing, doing and trying, and trying yeah.
And a very like masculine energy, and the retreat is an
opportunity to really stepoutside of that for a moment and
explore things differently sothat you can learn what your
individual body needs for thatsafety.
So it's a combination ofeducation like me teaching
(01:02:50):
people like what is actuallyhappening at a cellular level
when a body is in a chronicfight or flight state, but also
doing deep meditations so thatwe can explore that unconscious
realm of like what limitingbeliefs might exist.
What have you been tellingyourself?
Am I too old?
Am I running out of time?
Did I wait too long?
(01:03:11):
My eggs are bad?
There's so many things that wetell ourselves.
Maybe we're not even consciousto them, and this retreat gives
an opportunity to start peelingback those layers so that your
body can feel safe to conceive.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Would this also be good for somebody who might not
necessarily want to conceive butis also having issues like PMDD
or something like that?
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Absolutely, because those are still vital signs.
There is a high affinity forpeople who are trying or want to
in the future, maybe even havethought about it, but they're
like, not 100% sure.
There's a lot of opportunity ofexploration within that.
So if someone purely has likeit's just hormone stuff, I'm not
(01:03:56):
interested in having babies.
I have some other resources orother people that I would refer
to first in those scenariosAwesome.
So the retreat is really gearedtowards people who may want to
have children within the nextcouple of years, all the way
towards people who have beentrying for 10 years and have
never had success.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Beautiful.
I think that sounds like theperfect time to come into your
world.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for droppingin with me, and I know that all
of this conversation is not themost comfortable to talk about,
so I appreciate you jumping inthe deep end with me.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Of course Can't stand small talk anyway, so we're in
the right place, Holla frickin'Louia Thumbs down small talk,
thumbs up soul talk.
Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
That's what I'm saying.
That's right.
Thank you, dr Katie.
Have a good day you too.
Thank you for listening to SoulLevel Human.
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So until next time, remember toslow down, tune in, trust your
guidance and keep having theaudacity to choose the highest
timeline.
When you show up fully, yougive others permission to do the
same.
Make this the timeline whereyou show up.
Next up on Soul Level , human, and I was only 20 years
old and feeling like I don'tknow that I can live like this,
and an angel of a human being, anurse at my primary care
doctor's office pulled me asideand was like you are too young
to be going down this chronichealth path.
You have to go see anaturopathic doctor.
All of our patients who see oneare healthier.
(00:21):
Don't tell anyone.
I told you this.
She literally pulled me intolike a dark side room that was
like Contraband secretinformation and wrote it on a
Post-it.
I was like, clearly this isn'tgoing in my chart.
Note how interesting Part ofthe light switch that I had in
2020 was being in this deep,transcendental, meditative state
(00:41):
.
I heard in my mind you are hereto help the souls come through
who will heal this planet.
And it was like part of me andI'll probably get pretty
emotional talking about it.
It's like part of me is likethat's a really big fucking job,
like why me and I am skilled atit and I am equipped for it.
And I'm also struggling withthe human side of me, who's
(01:03):
witnessing the suffering andbeing like, really, this is what
we're doing.
I hate this timeline.
What I love about James andJenny and the approach to
business that they take is thatit's so similar to how I
approach fertility, becausethey're looking at a business
holistically.
The strategy is reallyimportant.
You can be successful with that.
But when you combine strategywith releasing limiting beliefs,
(01:26):
following your soul's path,regulating your nervous system,
then we have so much moreopportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And so much more magic too.
You didn't come here to playsafe.
You came to remember your powerand build what comes next.
I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychicmedium and intuition coach, and
this is Soul Level Human thepodcast for truth-tellers,
cycle-breakers and soul-ledrevolutionaries.
You didn't come here to bypassthe chaos.
(01:53):
You came here to lead throughit.
Today, I'm joined by Dr KatieRose, licensed naturopathic
physician, and your new TTC BFFthat's trying to conceive.
For those of you just enteringthe chat, Dr Katie specializes
(02:14):
in fertility and has helpedhundreds of couples get pregnant
by blending medical insightwith intuitive healing, hypnosis
, nervous system work and soullevel care.
We talk about spirit babies,the complications of medicine in
a post-Roe world, what happenswhen we finally learn to listen
to our body, and why yourintuition deserves a seat at the
(02:36):
table, especially in medicine.
Let's drop in.
Dr Katie Rose is on my very ownpodcast and I'm so happy to
have her.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited tobe here.
Sylvia, Thanks for coming on.
I want to let everyone know.
The amount of technicaldifficulties we just had is
(02:56):
absolutely insane, and I don'tusually have them, which is so
funny.
I think we tried to log inthree different times and at one
point it was like oh, I hearyou, I see you.
And you said to me I hear you,I see you.
And I was like oh no, that wasa necessary message, for right
now I hear you, I see you.
So for everybody listeningright now, if you could just
(03:18):
absorb that message into yourcells right now, I hear you, I
see you and thank you for beinghere.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, it's interesting when we have to
overcome a bit to get themessage out.
Interesting pattern to observe.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, I don't believe in mistakes and coincidences,
so I just with technicalrandomness that happens, I'm
always like, oh, there'ssomething in this for me.
Okay, cool, thank you.
And here we are it worksperfectly True of so many things
in life.
That's the truth, if we chooseto see it that way.
Anyway, we always have a choice, right?
We do.
So let's start with just you.
(04:01):
Tell me a little bit about whatyou do in the world, how you
help people.
Let's start there.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Oh goodness, I am a licensed naturopathic doctor,
hypnotherapist and life coachand I came to this world because
I had my own health strugglesin my early 20s.
In college I was getting sickfrequently and it started as
like getting a sinus infectionand then pneumonia and then
(04:28):
urinary tract infections, and itjust was like over and over and
over again rounds and rounds ofantibiotics and finally coming
to a point where I wassymptomatic but no detectable
infections were present.
And I was only 20 years old andfeeling like I don't know that
I can live like this.
And an angel of a human being,a nurse at my primary care
(04:51):
doctor's office pulled me asideand was like you are too young
to be going down this chronichealth path.
You have to go see anaturopathic doctor.
All of our patients who see oneare healthier.
Don't tell anyone.
I told you this.
She literally pulled me intolike a dark side room room that
was like contraband.
Secret information and likewrote it on a post-it.
I was like clearly this isn'tgoing in my chart note.
(05:12):
Uh, how interesting, yeah.
And it took me a while to sitwith that information because I
didn't know what a naturopathwas.
I had been raised in anopen-minded but very scientific
medical family and so I was likeI don't even know what that
word means.
I'm going to need to sit withit.
(05:33):
And when I finally did followthat instruction and go see a
naturopath, it changed my life.
It was the first time in amedical setting and I'd had a
lot of experience at that pointsitting with someone who really
saw me and heard me and askedbetter questions and spent more
time investigating to reallyunderstand what was happening at
(05:55):
a root cause level, and it wasthe first time in two years that
I started finding relief.
So here I had been on a pathtowards traditional medical
school.
I was in pre-med in college.
I was actually at the point Isaw this naturopath in the
process of medical schoolapplications.
You go through a couple ofrounds to pick your final school
(06:15):
or they pick you, and I wasstruggling to write my essays,
finding myself being like, forthe first time, having this
writer's block that like I don'tknow that I actually want this
path and maybe I'm actuallymeant to go down this
naturopathic medicine path, andeven though all of my friends
(06:37):
were going to traditionalmedical school and thought I was
just being so weird and I heardall the variations of like but
you're too smart for that.
Like, oh, you're just gonna be ahippie doctor.
Like, what are you doing?
And I was like, yeah, you guys,I know, but like it was the
(06:57):
first time that I recallconsciously like really needing
to listen and follow myintuition, like for my own
health and wellbeing.
I had to follow this path, eventhough it felt completely
illogical.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
What did that feel like in your body?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Oh, it was a combination of like deep
discomfort but knowing.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Ooh yeah, deep discomfort, but knowing Like
okay, I me too it was like here.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I've been with this school of fish this whole time,
Literally the image I had in mymind Keep going.
I've been with this school offish and I've always been like
maybe a different color of fishand felt like a little bit of an
outsider, but like I go withthem.
And now I have to break awayfrom this school of fish that
I've been comfortable in.
But even though it wascomfortable, it was like this
(07:49):
isn't me and maybe this is whymy body has been reacting the
way it has for so long.
Is there's just so much that Ihave masked and not listened to
up to this point?
And it wasn't just an infection, right, it wasn't just
something you could give anantibiotic and call it a day.
(08:10):
It was like this was deep body,knowing that something needs to
change.
And that was one of the firstthings that happened in my life.
That was uncomfortable but hadto happen.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Wow.
So your body is speaking to youall the time and the
traditional approach is thesnooze button right Shut up, sit
down, be smaller, get over it,let's go.
And you couldn't hold thatanymore.
It was like an overflowingbucket, right.
So then this angel nurse all ofa sudden drops this information
(08:44):
in your lap and your entirelife changes.
What?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
It did.
And you know, thankfully I hadfamily who was supportive enough
to go like, okay, we don'tfully understand it, but like,
do what you got to do.
And I went to naturopathicschool.
I went to naturopathic school.
I found myself after finishingschool and starting in a very
(09:08):
interesting practice.
That was a very masculine-ledpractice, focusing on internal
medicine from a root cause angle.
I found this situation where apatient was sitting in the
waiting room crying.
I was done with my shift, I wasdone for the day, I'd finished
all my chart notes.
The doctor who she was supposedto see was running an hour
(09:29):
behind, so she'd been sitting inthe waiting room for an hour.
I could see she was upset and Icaught the doctor in the
hallway and I said, hey, thiswoman's been sitting here for an
hour.
She's crying.
And he was like, oh, I don't docrying, you deal with her.
Oh, my God, like happily, redflag, I will happily see her.
(09:50):
Not deal with her, I willhappily see her.
And it turned out that she hadjust suffered a miscarriage and
had been diagnosed withHashimoto's and she wanted to
get pregnant and stay pregnant.
And that was my first case withworking with someone who was
struggling with fertility issuesand when she, very shortly
(10:12):
after, got pregnant, doing whatI had put in her plan, I was
like, oh, oh, this is where I'msupposed to be.
And even though it's one of themore challenging areas to work
with because we don't haveguarantees, we can't guarantee
that someone will come away witha baby, it's an opportunity to
support people on a deeper levelthat they've never experienced
(10:34):
before.
So I was called, through thatinitial case, to expand my
learning of fertility andrecurrent pregnancy loss and
have, for the last 11 years,specialized in the fertility
area and, as you know, becausewe've talked off camera about it
, there's so much soul levelintervention that has occurred
(11:00):
along the way that has made merealize like, oh, this also
isn't just about the physicalroot cause.
There's mental, emotional andspiritual pieces of this that
have to be acknowledged as well.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
What was that evolution like?
Because obviously you're on ajourney, right?
It's not like well, I don'tknow.
Was it a light switch moment orwas it a gradual understanding
of oh, there's more here.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
There was a gradual understanding.
I will say like I came intomedical practice.
Maybe I wouldn't call myself anatheist but agnostic.
I'm like I was raised Catholicand went to Episcopalian and
Catholic schools.
Very much had like religionshoved down my throat and I'm
the type of person who tends tolearn things the hard way, and
(11:43):
so I was like nope.
I reject this.
That teenager, you know,18-year-old Katie, was like no.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I'm not having any of this be happening.
Fuck this, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
So by the time I came into medical practice, I very
much was thinking about thingsfrom a very scientific level
only.
And the reality is, when you'reworking with fertility this is
not just about an egg and asperm meeting and fertilizing
and creating an embryo you areinviting a whole other human
(12:17):
into this world.
Another soul will come intothis body that's being created,
and I don't know that you canescape working in that field
without feeling like there aremiracles every single day.
And even us right here, adults,we don't always pause to think
about it Like we are living,breathing miracles every single
(12:38):
one of us.
Just the fact that an embryocan go from two separate cells
to a little clump of cells, to afull human like it can really
blow your mind.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It really does If you slow down and think about it
for sure it really does Like.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
The fact that any of it is possible is like what?
So I think that was maybe myfirst like okay, we're dealing
with something more than I wasmaybe ready or comfortable with
at that immature time of my life.
And the more couples that Iworked with and the more
scenarios that I observed wherepeople who had been trying for
(13:19):
10 years, who had neverconceived or had had multiple
pregnancy losses, wereconceiving and having a healthy
baby, it was like no, there'smore here.
And when it really hit me wasprobably around 2020, had
nothing to do with pandemic.
I know a lot of people had wildstuff come through at that
point, but I had a patient whosuffered a later first trimester
(13:44):
miscarriage and it shook memore than previous losses had.
I found myself just barely ableto get out of bed for a couple
of days after that particularpatient's loss and, as it
happened, I was in thismastermind group with other
healthcare providers and theperson who ran the group had,
(14:06):
just for fun, brought anintuitive in to do a New Year's
Eve session with everyone andeven though it was supposed to
be for fun, she like picked upon this grief that I had and I
had my camera off.
But she was like whoa, I amjust picking up like this, this
(14:26):
huge amount of grief and I'mcurious about what might be
going on that I can support youwith.
So I gave her just a verylittle background and she said I
feel very compelled to tell youto read the book Spirit Babies
by Walter McKechnie.
That was literally my nextquestion.
Yep, yeah, and just know thatthere's larger things at play
(14:49):
that you had no control over,because, of course, as the
practitioner, it's like I'mwondering is there anything else
we could have done to prevent?
this I know it's no one's fault,but was there something I
missed that I could haveprevented this from happening
for her?
And reading Spirit Babies wasso comforting on a soul level
(15:11):
that was like, even if you don'tbelieve in psychic activity or
connection with spirits, it waslike this is comforting and now
I have a stepping stone intothat world and that really took
off from there with bringingspirituality into my practice
and learning more about my ownhuman design and how that
(15:31):
relates to spirituality, andtrusting some of the intuitive
hits that I've received over theyears that I had tended to
ignore because they weren'tabout me right.
I was like, when it came to meand my own body, I feel pretty
confident in listening andfollowing that instruction.
But when I would have a dreamabout a patient, I'd be like, oh
, that's weird dreams, shovethat away in a little yeah, and
(15:54):
now going like, oh no, there'sactually a lot more wisdom in
that that I can be providing forpeople as well.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
It's like you're the translator.
You're literally the mediumbetween two worlds.
You have this education, thisfoundation of understanding of
the science, how this worldactually works, with the 3D and
the building blocks andeverything, and you also have
this beautiful connection thatyou've started to really develop
and lean into and you could nothave predicted that when you
(16:24):
first started out on yourjourney back in pre-med.
I mean if you took a snapshotof your current life and sent it
back to teenager you.
I feel like your mind would beblown.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, and I do some work with that, with connection
to past self and future self.
Tell me please, so it was.
This is always a fun storybecause I call it my
breakthrough moment, because itwas like literal, physical and
emotional, spiritual Tell meabout this.
So a few years ago, four yearsago or so, I'd had quite an
(16:54):
exhausting series of events ofour family having COVID and then
stomach flu and my husbandgoing out of town for a
conference.
And the kids were little atthis point, like five and two,
four and one somewhere aroundthere, and I hadn't slept in
about four days.
The kids were well again, but Iwas not.
I was on the tail of the stomachflu and trying to get their
(17:16):
lunches together for preschool,and one of them is like tugging
on my arm.
The other one is like,hollering at me from the other
end of the house and I was justlike I can't, like I just like
toss the peanut butter down onthe counter.
I ran to my bedroom, slammed thedoor and kicked a hole in the
wall Like I threw a full ontemper tantrum and I was like,
(17:41):
okay, it's time I startlistening to things differently
and start doing some thingsdifferently, because I think we
are all at risk of just fallinginto day-to-day life and
busyness and not intentionallyslowing down.
And so when I look back at thattime, I was like there's
probably six months that I justhad not very intentionally
slowed down for myself and,knowing what I know, I was like,
(18:05):
okay, like I know, this is asign that I need to be doing
some things differently.
But I didn't know what thatlooked like and I had tried
going to therapy and I was like,oh my God, this is frustrating
as hell because we're justtalking about things in circles
and like I am ready to just shedlayers, like I could feel like
I was crawling out of my skin.
(18:25):
Yes, and I ended up comingacross a podcast that I had
listened to for years before andit had always been very much in
my realm of like gut health andhormones, and I started
listening to it.
I was like, oh, this they'vechanged.
They are now talking about likedeep transformation and like
hard life events that led tomassive growth.
(18:49):
And for anyone who may bewondering what podcast are you
talking about?
It used to be called the ZestyGinger podcast and I think maybe
now it's just becoming Zesty.
Megan Blacksmith was talkingabout something on that podcast
that I was just like this ishitting every note that I've
been trying to hear but couldn'tquite allow through and she was
(19:12):
leading a hypnosis training andI just intuitively knew I was
like I have to do this this is ayes, if nothing else, this is
for me to show up as the bestversion of myself, as the best
parent I to show up as the bestversion of myself, as the best
parent I can be, as the bestleader of my family that I can
be, and help.
Maybe I'll learn something forother people too.
(19:32):
So I ended up doing thattraining, absolutely falling in
love with the tools of hypnosisand neuro-linguistic programming
and quantum time technique, andbringing that into practice,
having really profoundexperiences with my patients and
clients who had these spiritualexperiences with hypnosis where
(19:54):
they would have, like theirgrandmother, who had recently
passed, come to them in thesession, or their future baby,
who they had been trying for,come and communicate, and so I
was just like, okay, I don'tknow what the hell this is, but
I guess this is what needed tohappen.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
We're going in.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I joke that I'm like, I'm not a psychic in a
traditional sense of like-.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
The neon sign on the window and the yeah and.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I can't just close my eyes and be like, oh, I'm
getting this message, but I'mgetting this message, but I'm
really good at facilitatingpeople receiving their own
messages.
That's such a gift.
It's been really, reallyincredible.
So that was my own sort ofpersonal evolution into bringing
tools into my business to helpwith that, because there's only
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so much testing that you can doof the physical body.
But if someone has a limitingbelief, if someone's nervous
system is completelydysregulated due to trauma, if
there's been a soul knocking attheir heart that they haven't
quite been able to receive themessages from, then, there's
ways that we can workdifferently.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah, I always say, when you've done everything 3D,
it's time to go behind thescenes and see what's going on
back there too.
Absolutely, it's vital, it's sohuge.
And that's amazing too, becauseit's so easy to say like, oh,
my past life was in Egypt and Ihad all this stuff.
You can't verify it.
You can't verify it, and that'smy frustration with that kind
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of stuff, like it's so fun, it'sinteresting, but you can't have
the evidential stuff to back itup.
And with what you do, I don'tknow that it's evidence,
necessarily, but you get realtime 3D feedback in the progress
of where you're going and Ithink that's so powerful, even
outside of the fertility space.
Just as a human, as a soullevel human, you having these
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experiences that you canfacilitate for yourself and
others.
It's like you're meeting in asacred circle with your patients
, with your clients, and sharingthis incredible moment of
opportunity.
Yeah, that's so powerful.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
I would agree it's been pretty incredible, you know
it's.
It's also allowed me to seethat I don't have to only work
with people who are dealing withfertility issues, because a lot
of times they'll.
This happened by accident and Ithink you'll appreciate this
story.
There's a person who I had beenworking with for fertility
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through her first child and shewas trying for her second and we
started doing this breakthroughwork and she was like, oh my
gosh, this is incredible, can mymom do this with you?
And before I could actuallyanswer her, because she'd had my
booking link herself, sheforwarded it to her mom and her
mom ended up signing up for apackage of hypnosis sessions.
And I was honestly terrifiedbecause I was like this woman's
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like 70 years old she's aretired tenured psychology
professor and like impostersyndrome, like really came out
strong there.
I was like what am I doing?
I'm like, why does she want todo this?
And yet it's come to myawareness that this isn't just
about helping someone getpregnant or stay pregnant.
It's like we are in a time ofdeep suffering, turmoil, but
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transformation, in which we'recreating an ecosystem that the
souls who are trying to comethrough who will have the
greatest benefit on healing thisplanet will be able to come
through and not have to dealwith so much of the human
bullshit that we carry.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Dear God, I hope so.
I've heard a few of my friendsare like you know, this could
take like 400 years, right?
And I'm like I reject thatreality so hard.
I am impatient, I want thingsto instantly manifest.
No, we're handling this in onegeneration and my kids are going
to be better off than I was,you know.
And I sit with all of thoserealities and I also think about
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all the people who are likedebating.
You know, do I want to be aparent, do I not?
What are the ethics of bringingin new babies to this planet,
this dying planet, right?
And if you look at it from thesoul perspective again, it's
like, well, it's not just aboutwhat we want necessarily to.
These souls also want to come,have the experience and also
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want to have some kind of effectand play with the dense energy
that we have.
And it's so interesting and atthe same time it's so difficult
to hold both realities, becauseit is really dense here and it
is terrifying and hard andheartbreaking in a lot of ways.
And we're in our nice cushyplaces here in the States and
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even in the States we're havingsome shit go down.
So that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I mean to be really transparent.
I've been struggling with thatso much in the past.
Let's see six months to bepretty much exact, but even
before that there's just trendsthat you can see in the world
that go like gosh.
People are coming to me wantingto have babies and I'm
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supporting them and facilitatingthat.
Am I also facilitating moresuffering in the world?
by bringing more life into theworld.
But part of the light switchthat I had in 2020 was being in
this deep, transcendentalmeditative state and having this
really strong connectionfeeling and I don't even know if
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I could say message, but likeheard in my mind like you are
here to help the souls comethrough who will heal this
planet, and it was like part ofme I'll probably get pretty
emotional talking about it.
It's like part of me is likethat's a really big fucking job,
like why me?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Can I?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
just like have fun in this, however many years I get
on this planet, and like likethat's a, that's a lot, and I am
skilled at it and I am equippedfor it.
And I'm also struggling withthe human side of me who's
witnessing the suffering andbeing like, really, this is what
we're doing.
I hate this timeline.
So I really appreciate thepeople who are struggling with
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that decision of Mm-hmm.
They know what they're gettinginto and it's not my job to
control that.
So I've been in a deep state ofconflict, like inner conflict,
around this for months and Ithink it's probably impacted to
some extent, like how open I amto how many people can come and
(26:33):
work with me.
So I've been very like a little, I don't know, like I've had
some energetic guards up, yeah,and yet I can sense that there
is a shift coming, even if Idon't know what it is.
It's similar to that feelingthat I had, maybe when I had to
make the decision of do I wantto pursue naturopathic medical
school or go off on thistraditional route.
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It's like I feel this kind ofstate of unrest like something
is coming.
I think it's going to be okay,but right now it doesn't feel
okay and it's hard to put wordsto it.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, I've, I've been feeling the same.
Everything, really, sinceNovember.
It's like a.
It's like a mentalreorganization that's been
happening where it's like, wait,which which timeline am I on?
And that's the kind of 2025 I'mgonna have and wait.
What's you want me to do?
What?
Now?
You know, and, um, it has beena lot.
(27:33):
It has been a lot, and onething that you said was that you
commend the people who aresitting with the choice and at a
time like today, having thatchoice is very contentious and
apparently it's very vilifiedFrom the soul level.
Everything in the universe isfree will.
Why wouldn't that be the same?
(27:54):
What's your take on all of this?
Because I'm sure I have manythings to say, but you're on the
front lines and you have manymore.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So working in healthcare and just at like the
very basic, like I am a medicalprovider and I have to help my
patients make the best decisionfor them, regardless of what my
beliefs, my religion or anythingelse maybe.
But I will say I stand verystrongly in choice and that when
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we have all the medical care atour disposal, everyone is
better for it Not just the womanwho might be struggling with a
decision of whether she wants tocarry a pregnancy, but her
entire ecosystem.
When a woman feels empowered tomake her own choices, everyone
benefits.
So that has been challenging Imean really for years, since Roe
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v Wade was overturned likethat's been a struggle.
Living in Arizona, where wehave more limitations but
thankfully we have a governorwho's really on board with women
having choice, it's been achallenge and feeling like your
hands are tied, like there's notmuch one person can do.
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So how do you negotiate thatwith the small actions that you
might be able to take on aday-to-day basis without getting
overwhelmed by everythingthat's happening?
That's been a challenge, Ithink, for so many of us.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Absolutely.
Do you have a network of otherphysicians that you keep in
contact with?
Do you have community at all inthat space, or are you just
feeling like you're carryingeverything on your own.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
No, there is definitely a community and I
will say overwhelmingly, mostphysicians I talk to agree with
this, because we took an oath todo no harm and to always put
our patient's best interestsfirst.
So, overwhelmingly physiciansare in agreeance about this.
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It's a minority of physicianswho would sit in the forced
birth corner, but it's stillchallenging to talk about
publicly because there is somuch misinformation and backlash
from people who are so.
Maybe brainwashed is a word,harsh word but it feels that way
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sometimes.
But yes, there are thankfullyso many amazing providers who
are.
Some of them have the skill setto be on the front lines of
this conversation and some of usare more quietly working in the
background.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
And I think both are needed.
I think both are needed.
There's space for all.
I just mentioned the analogy ofa choir in my last show, and
it's truly like that.
I mean, every person is giventheir part to play, and if one
person opts out of that part,you can hear it it definitely
affects the whole who is onvarious parts of their journey,
(31:02):
where they have, you know,different fears or different
consequences of actuallyspeaking out.
The message is to not not doanything right, but you can
still find something in yourwheelhouse, in your world, to do
, and that's okay too.
There is space for all of it.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, and sometimes it starts with just by
regulating your own nervoussystem, gathering some tools to
learn how to process youremotions, to find small pockets
of joy first, like take care ofyou first, and then what can you
do with the people who areclosest to you, even if that
just means that, with your ownkids, you're helping them
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regulate their emotions, justmeans that, with your own kids,
you're helping them regulatetheir emotions.
There's so much that can besaid for what we're able to do
within our own homes and withour own communities.
We don't all have to run toWashington and lobby.
There's a lot that can stillbenefit the larger ecosystem by
just taking care of you.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, definitely starting there, seeing the water
on the wall behind you just theidea of drowning, for example
that really comes to mind,because if somebody's drowning
and your only response is tofreak out, that doesn't actually
help them.
Right, you have to regulate,you have to stay present, you
have to think quickly, you haveto rely on whatever knowledge
you have.
You can call for help, you canlearn to swim for next time.
(32:16):
There's so many things to doother than being angry and
spinning out.
And at the same time, if you'reoverwhelmed and spinning out,
that makes sense too.
So, really, the first step isalways going to be to look at
the person in the mirror andtake care of that person too, so
that you can hold anything else.
Yeah, and that goes for COVID,it goes for parenting, it goes
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for relationships, it goes forthe situation we find ourselves
in now right it does.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
It does so much so and I will say largely, I'm
working 90, 95% with people whowant so badly to be parents.
They have been trying for solong and it is their dream and
they have that tug on theirheart.
So the majority of the time istrying to help people find that.
But occasionally we'll havethat conversation with someone
(33:05):
who's like I thought I wantedthis, but now that this is
happening in the world I'm notso sure.
And that's been a newerconversation over the last six
months.
Yeah, that has been very realand heartbreaking.
And again, we need to have thatchoice and to be able to stand
in our own power around it andtrust that whatever choice you
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make for yourself, it's for you.
No one else is living your life.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
That's exactly it.
Also, how huge to have thatopportunity to talk it through
with you on so many differentlevels, because in a regular
fertility clinic or whatever, itwould be just about okay, well,
what do you want to do?
You know it wouldn't have thatdepth that you're able to offer
and I really appreciate you forthat.
That's a really special thingand I just really want you to
(33:54):
take in that.
That's so level, like I don'tknow what more you could be
doing.
Like you're a parent.
You're showing upprofessionally in this way.
Props to you, cause you didn'thave to listen to yourself back
in college and you didn't haveto listen to yourself during
COVID and you didn't have tolisten to yourself even six
months ago and getting yourselfto here.
(34:15):
So you're holding a lot and Isee you and I appreciate you.
You're going to make me cry.
I received that Good.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Good, thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah, let's take this to parenting.
What was your journey likegetting pregnant with them
calling them forward.
What was that all like?
Speaker 1 (34:37):
like getting pregnant with them, calling them forward
Like what was, what was thatall like?
So I had always imagined myselfas a mother.
I even actually told my almostnine-year-old son this story
recently as we were walking pastthis old building that's now
empty that used to have this toystore.
And when I was nine years old,I saved up a hundred dollars to
buy this very lifelike baby doll.
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That was was literally like aweighted baby doll she weighed
about eight pounds, lookedexactly like an infant, and I
was obsessed with buying thisbaby doll, taking care of her,
and I'd always had that as avision.
And at a certain point inmedical school I had gone
through a pretty hard breakup,was kind of at this, like F,
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this I'm probably never going tofind my person?
Why am I even on birth control?
Why?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
am I on birth control and then starting to get?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
mad about like why was I even put on birth control
in the first place?
Because I had been put on itinitially for acne and then just
stayed on it because I wasgoing to college.
And at that point I realizedlike I've been on this for like
eight years.
I don't even know what my bodydoes without it.
So I stopped taking my hormonalbirth control and then I just
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didn't get a period.
And I got one finally afterabout six months and I was like,
oh, okay, good, and then notfor another six months and it
was clear to me that if I'm notgetting a period, we're going to
have a problem if and when thetime comes that I do want to
have kids.
So I went to my OBGYN, who I'dseen since I was about 18.
And I told her she was thefirst person that I confided in.
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Like I'm actually really scaredabout what this means and I'm
afraid I won't be able to havekids.
And she was just like, oh,you're so young, like I think I
was 25.
She's like you're so young,like you have nothing to worry
about.
If it bothers you not to have aperiod, just go back on birth
control.
And I was like but if I'm notovulating now, why would that
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change if I just go back onbirth control?
Clearly it was masking somethingand so it took me on this wild
journey of figuring out what washappening in my body.
What was my hormonal situationwanting to communicate?
My hormonal situation wantingto communicate.
And I did eventually meet mynow husband and even from there,
(37:02):
it took about another year anda half, two years to notice
signs of ovulation and I neverreally confided in him.
How scared I was.
In fact, I kind of put on abrave front of like, oh you know
, if it doesn't happen, thenwe'll just be that couple that
travels a lot.
And yet I knew that in my soul,like it would probably hurt a
(37:28):
lot more if we didn't have kids.
I started working with ahomeopath just to, you know,
work on some things that I neverreally looked at before.
She does like cellulardetoxification, but she also has
, like these deeperconversations and we were
talking about relationship to myown parents and I was like,
(37:48):
well, I don't know my dad, andshe was like and and I was like
I don't know, and what she wasit?
She was like, hmm, there's morehere, my friend, yes, I have a
feeling there might be somethingthere that may be also creating
some energetic bracing.
(38:08):
Something within your body isresponding to that and you may
need to just explore it a littlebit.
And I was so resistant to it atfirst.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I can imagine.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
In part out of like loyalty for my own mom, because
she is amazing.
She really took on both roleswith so much grace and she's a
brilliant human and she nevermade it feel like we were
anything less than just a greatfamily unit, just me and her,
and I felt that way too.
And so there was a part of methat was like, oh, but if I go
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down that path of exploring moreabout that lack of paternal
relationship, am I disloyal tomy mom?
And that felt interesting tonotice in myself.
So I had to have a conversationwith her first about it and she
was just like no, I completelyunderstand.
Like it's so natural to havethat curiosity and to want to
(39:05):
know more.
So, like you know, fullblessing, like do whatever you
got to do.
And so I spent quite a bit oftime with that, just starting
with some online research aboutyou know that side of the family
, what could I learn?
And really, sitting in the like, is there a need to actually
know this person, or is therejust a curiosity that has to be
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met for me to be able to moveinto parenthood and to be able
to have a conversation with myhusband about what that actually
really looked like to be asingle parent household and
knowing that I don't want that.
I want to raise children withtwo parents.
I want to know that, no matterwhat happens, we're in this
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together.
Really groundbreakingconversation for me to have,
because I had put a lot ofavoidance around those sort of
deep things and, even though mycycles weren't even close to
being totally regular, I endedup getting pregnant after we'd
been married for about sixmonths.
Wow, after all thoseconversations, after all those
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conversations yeah, and we hadnever.
I had been very intentional,because I was already working in
the fertility space to noticemy language and my energy around
things, and I didn't want totry to get pregnant.
I wanted to be open to what theuniverse wanted for me and what
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I was meant to learn from that,and so we pulled the goalie and
allowed for pregnancy.
But I really didn't ever wantto step into the energy of
trying.
So that was baby number one,and with baby number two it took
a long time for my period tocome back and I just really
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trusted my body that it knewwhat it was doing and that it
was okay that it took a while tocome back, that there was some
nourishment that needed to takeplace and I felt like the energy
of my second son well before hewas actually conceived.
I just knew You're coming, Isee you, I feel you.
I was like I feel this littlesoul pretty strongly and I also
(41:21):
I know some people think itsounds like TMI or crazy, but I
was like I knew when I gotpregnant Yep, yep, same, and his
energy like totally matcheslike what I was feeling leading
up to that conception as well.
So his personality doesn'tsurprise me in one bit.
And it's so funny becausesociety has all these
(41:44):
expectations.
My kids have an almostfour-year gap and they're like
gosh, wouldn't you want to havethem closer together?
And I'm like as if I hadcontrol over that.
Yeah, yeah, for real, oh, mygosh.
So it's just so funny.
But they're exactly who they'remeant to be and I'm glad that I
trusted my body and had some ofthose hard conversations to get
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there.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Gosh, imagine all the energy you moved out of the way
with all those conversationsand really sitting with the
truth of everything and what youreally wanted out of whatever
came next.
Yeah, you mentioned trustingyour body.
Was that your experiencethrough birthing?
Also in?
Speaker 1 (42:25):
pregnancy.
How was that for you?
It's just so good to reflect on.
First time around, I trusted mybody.
My providers were maybe alittle more difficult.
I was scheduled to labor andbirth at a birth center that had
a hospital affiliation, butthey were a separate building,
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separate entity, and I went intolabor with my first son a
little early.
I was like 37 weeks and twodays and they had a cutoff of 37
weeks.
So I was like just over theircutoff and my water had broken
pretty early on at home and Iwas like, well, you know, I
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don't know what that looks likebecause I've never done this
before, so we'll just go inafter.
I'd only been havingcontractions for about an hour,
since my water had broken, andit was July in Arizona.
It was like 112 degrees out.
We had to go take my dog to myparents' house first, so we'd
been in the car for like an hourby the time we got to the birth
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center.
I was hot and she didn't likethat.
My temperature was a 99.
And she didn't like that.
My water had broken before Iwas in active labor and they
ended up transferring me to thehospital.
So I was pacing around intriage at the hospital.
They had these like fabricchairs.
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I'm leaking.
Like no one had thought to giveme a pad.
I'm leaking.
And the lady's like, would youlike to sit down?
I was like no, I would not liketo fucking sit down.
Listen, lady, do you wantamniotic fluid on your chairs,
bitch?
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, coming, right up oh yeah, in labor, all bets
are off in labor.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
Oh, my word.
So I was so angry and it juststalled labor out, like I
basically stopped havingcontractions altogether.
Like by the time they got me ina room an hour and a half later
, I was just like well,nothing's happening here and I
have my mom and my husband withme and my mom's an acupuncturist
(44:28):
now.
she wasn't when I was growing up, but she she was like well,
maybe we can just do someneedles, if they let us, and see
if we can move things along.
And it started to, but not tothe midwife's liking.
She wanted things to move alittle faster.
So they urged me to takePitocin and I started at a
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really low dose and they rampedit up over the next five hours
and then, I think by the timeI'd been in labor for about 12
hours, they were like yeah, weprobably just need to give you a
full dose and they might aswell just offer an epidural at
the same time.
Because it was a pretty wildlyunproductive labor experience.
(45:11):
Labor wasn't progressing, but Iwas in a lot of pain.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
So once they had a shift change and I got a new
midwife and she knew me better,she was like, listen, if you
were my daughter and we knew wewanted this baby to come out
with as little trauma aspossible, I would be
recommending pain control.
You do, you, but that's asuggestion and it was just such
(45:37):
a nice way of inviting me intothe conversation of my own care
and I got an epidural.
It was the best thing that everhappened in that moment and I
was able to relax and nap and Ithink my body, finally relaxing,
just allowed things to progress.
Finally, everything else wasuncomplicated, thankfully, super
(45:59):
healthy little baby.
But we knew that for my nextbirth experience, well, I knew
that things needed to bedifferent.
So I started interviewing homebirth midwives pretty early on
in that pregnancy and had areally smooth, easy delivery in
a home birth for him.
That was so empowering and myhusband always joked that like
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you could have probably justgone off in the woods and like
caught that baby yourself.
Like it felt like you didn'treally need any of us and I was
like, no, I really didn't, butit was nice to have you there
and I really felt.
I felt so connected to my babyin that particular labor and
delivery.
We were just in it, talking toeach other the whole time and at
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no point did I feel scared orlike I think maybe my body was
screaming, but I just knew Icould do this.
And trusting my body with thatone, just like fully
surrendering, was amazing.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
That's incredible.
I had a very similar experiencetoo.
But I want to ask you do youfind that there's a parallel
with how that went down thefirst time and the second time,
to how you were navigating yourown connection and your own
intuition outside of that space?
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, I do.
I mean, I think I was still sonew to really recognizing
intuition my first time around.
I had followed it, I'd hadthose moments right, but I
didn't quite know, maybe not howto listen to my intuition, but
how to fully advocate for myself.
Yeah, because here you havethese providers.
(47:38):
They're experts.
This midwife who transferred mehad been midwifing for 30 years
and I was like who am I to be?
Like you don't know what you'redoing, and so that would
probably be the key differencewas in really advocating and
trusting and surrendering, butthe advocation was the strongest
part.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I feel like there's an element of self-power just
from that knowing, because thefirst time you don't know what
you don't know.
You've never done this beforeand it makes sense that you'd be
like, okay, I trust you, you'redoing this every single day.
And then for me I remember,because I had been studying
psychic skills and energy andstuff for I don't know what
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three or four years at thatpoint, and I had felt very
connected with conception andwith everything.
Like you're saying, I wasfeeling them before they came in
.
It made sense to me, everythingwas nice and easy, blah, blah,
blah.
And then a friend had gifted mehypno babies, but I hadn't
really doubled down onpracticing it that first time
around.
And I just remember this momentin labor that first time.
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It was a three-hour labor with20 minutes of pushing.
It was very intense on thefirst day of Aries which
completely lines up with herpersonality, by the way, yeah.
So I just remember every musclein my body tense and everything
was like oh my God, oh my God,oh my God, oh my God.
And it was like this is notwhat I practiced, this is not
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what I practiced, this is notwhat I practiced and I just
couldn't get to the point oflike, surrender and release and
trust.
I couldn't get there, eventhough I was like I'm calling on
my grandma, I'm calling myguides, I'm calling everybody,
but this is fucking hard, it'sscary, yeah, so it was that.
And then I tore because I waspushing.
They were like it's time topush, you know.
Okay, so that was that version.
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From that in 2015 to 2020,right before everything it was,
you know, so much growth and somuch self-discovery and so much
work on, you know, intuition andthe connection and the trust
that on the second time around,it was so um, it was I'm not
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going to say it was easy, butease filled.
There was that sense ofsurrender and co-creation and
collaboration in that um that Iwas definitely able to access,
just that relaxing into it.
Even though obviously thecontractions and the surgeons
surges were intense and painful,I was really able to fall on
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the hypnobabies and thepreparation and the space that
I'd created, I guess, isn't thatwild.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
It's so wild, birth is so wild.
I mean, if you have the skillset and you're open to it being
a spiritual experience like ohmy gosh.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
It's just it's an initiation Otherworldly.
So thank you for hypnotherapyon that category too, because it
really truly was a lifesaver.
If anyone is pregnant,listening to this, hypnobabies
is where it's at it is.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
I refer to it as well and, of course, like if oh, my
goodness, I can't remember whattext it was that I was reading
about.
It may have been in SpiritualFertility, which is another
great book about just thespirituality of conception and
pregnancy, and that if someoneis struggling in labor or if
they have fears leading up tolabor or even fears leading up
(51:05):
to conception because they'vebeen handed down these stories
about how terrible labor anddelivery and how hard postpartum
is and all of these things thatmay not really belong to them,
that hypnotherapy is such aneffective way to unwind that
trauma.
And even though people think oftrauma as being like this
(51:27):
capital T situation, we alsoabsorb trauma from other
situations where other peopledidn't have the skills to deal
with the situation, and thenthey project those stories onto
us and our unconscious mindreally doesn't know the
difference between somethingthat happened to someone else
and something that happened tous.
So hypnosis is just such ahighly effective tool for
(51:48):
clearing those I hate to callthem blockages, because it's not
like a concrete roadblock, it'smore of like a curtain that we
just need to move aside, it canbe really gentle.
Oh, I love that.
I just love hypnosis.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
I love how you reframed that, because it does
have such a weight and a stigma,though your blockages yes.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
I know I don't like it, but I also don't know how
else to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
It could be more gentle, it could be more easeful
, it could be easier.
We think of everything that wewere talking about with therapy,
too.
It's talking and going aroundin circles and going in your
grief and your trauma andeverything feels so hard because
you're going at it with the 3Dtools that you have right, and
with hypnosis it doesn't feel asheavy, it doesn't take as long,
(52:36):
it's easier, it's lighter, it'sjust not as hard.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
I find that as well.
And not to downplay therapyyeah, I think both are important
time and places for doingthings differently too, and so
just offering that as an optionto people is often, you know,
people are surprised thatletting go of energy and weight
(53:01):
can be easier and can actuallylead to feeling lightness faster
.
So I'm a big fan, but I'mbiased, obviously.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah Well, I'm with you and we're in the same boat.
I don't want to take so much ofyour time, money and business
that we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
Well, I think it's pretty safe to say that as we
are raised, we hear things aboutmoney and that can influence
our own relationship to money.
And even people who have,objectively, a lot of dollars in
a bank account, they can stillstruggle with their relationship
with money.
I do think it's really fun andinteresting to talk about money,
(53:38):
in part because it's a stigma,and I remember I remember seeing
my mom's paycheck one time whenI was growing up and I was like
is that how much you make?
And she was just like, oh, wedon't really talk about those.
Oh yeah, that's taboo.
And then it was like put in adrawer and never talked about
again and I was like, oh well, Ithought that was going to be a
really interesting conversationand I was like a little Scourge
McDuck.
When I was a kid, if someonegave me a bunch of coins I'd be
(54:00):
like ha ha, diving and swimmingthrough this.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
I would imagine that and I would hand, count and put
them in the rolls and take themto the bank and I just loved it.
It was so much fun.
And then at a certain pointyou're told that you're not
supposed to do that.
You're not supposed to talkabout money, it's not classy to
talk about it, or people whohave a lot of money are greedy.
There's just so much that wecarry around it.
(54:27):
And, working in the fertilityspace, I've seen some
interesting things come uparound when my biggest intention
with people is to help themfigure out what their body, mind
and spirit needs to feel safeto conceive.
And you know, maybe you havesomeone who's already gone
through three rounds of IVF andspent $90,000, but money was
(54:51):
already like a safety andsecurity issue for them that was
never addressed.
And now they're being sold thisidea that IVF was the only way
they could get pregnant andthey've already spent their
entire life savings and nowtheir foundation is rocked even
further.
So I've gotten into more andmore conversations around money
and I'm so glad that I have thistraining with hypnosis and
(55:13):
subconscious work to be able tohold space for those
conversations, becauseoftentimes, when we can
understand what that type ofsecurity brings to someone, we
can find other ways to createsafety and then, when the
nervous system feels morecomfortable about money
conversations, we can open upother pathways to abundance and
(55:36):
recognize that money is justenergy and I know that it's.
You know, I don't want to be anasshole and be like it's all
just energy.
It's like you know, at the 3Dlevel, we have to pay our bills.
Yeah, we have to keep a roofover our head, and if we can't
do that, then we've got somefiguring out to do.
But if we've already got thatand our needs are met on that
(55:58):
basic level of like I can payfor my shelter, I can pay for my
food, I can keep the lights onand the water running, what else
does my nervous system need tofeel safe and abundant?
Money might be one part of that,but it's being able to feel
safe talking about money and notaligning your own human worth
(56:21):
to the number of dollars in yourbank account, hopefully not
having to make decisions aboutgrowing your family based on
that alone, because money comesand goes, and so what I hate is
for someone to not invest inthemselves what they are worthy
of to grow their family becausethey're scared about money and
(56:42):
it's a nuanced conversation.
I have a lot of respect forthat.
I did not grow up wealthy byany means.
I feel quite wealthy nowbecause I've worked on my own
relationship with money.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Well, I think we're just going into the whole
conversation about theenergetics of money and
receiving and how it correlateswith all the energy work that
you do and the physical workthat you do also.
I think it is so tied togetherand it's so interesting that the
root and sacral chakra have somuch to do with all of your work
and no wonder you talk aboutboth of those things and it's
amazing that you even have thespace to hold that all of your
work and no wonder you talkabout both of those things.
(57:15):
And it's amazing that you evenhave the space to hold that
conversation within yourpractice, because, again, it's
not a normal, acceptable way todo things in the regular world
to integrate all of thoseconversations and you get to.
And I want to say also that athrough line that I've noticed
from everything that you've beensaying, from your relationship
(57:37):
with your mom to therelationship that you had with
yourself when you were choosingto go this route instead of the
regular medical route right andinto discovering hypnosis and
energy and everything the bigthrough line for me is safety.
You had the safety to go intothe different conversations and
(57:58):
the different spaces and look atthe safety that you're also
able to offer others, because ifyou didn't have it, you
wouldn't be able to turn aroundand offer it.
Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, so that's beautiful it is and it's funny
how that's maybe one of theparts of my practice that has
evolved the most is just beingable to identify that, but also
identify that our body needs tofeel safe to conceive.
And that's going to lookdifferent for everyone because,
as it's been brought to myattention by people who have
(58:31):
been on a long fertility journey, they're like you'd have some
crack addict under a bridgewho's getting pregnant.
How is it that her body feelssafe?
I can't answer that for thatand I don't know what that
soul's journey is here for.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
At that point it is a soul contract situation.
What do you know?
Yeah, oh yeah, Like we, we canall judge that.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
Right, yeah, so we really have to reserve judgment
and stay curious about, like,what do I need, what does this
body need to feel safe, whatdoes this relationship need to
feel safe?
And being able to turn inwardto ask those questions instead
of asking like, well, why thatperson and why me?
And like you know, there'sthere's so much judgment that we
can bring into a situation andwhen we can release that and
(59:14):
stay curious, that's the pathwayto that safety.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, and the fastest pathway to moving energy to get
there also.
Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.
So I want to end by talkingabout business by design, which
is how we know each other, andalso I know that you have a
three-day event coming up.
Speaker 1 (59:36):
I do.
Yes, I have to give a shout outto Business by Design because
I've met the best people in it.
Truly, truly, it gets reallylonely as a business owner, as a
small business owner who hasfor the last four years worked a
lot from home and worked in away that not everyone else
(59:57):
understands.
So finding my people inbusiness by design has been very
nourishing for my soul and alsogood for me because I can tend
to lean a little more heavily onthe woo and the energy and the
soul work and neglect the like.
Okay, what is my actualstrategy?
Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
for doing anything.
What am I doing today?
Right Got it.
Module four I got it.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Yeah, but what I love about James and Jenny and the
approach to business that theytake is that it's so similar to
how I approach fertility,because they're looking at a
business holistically, like,yeah, strategy is really
important and you can besuccessful with that.
But like, when you combinestrategy with releasing limiting
beliefs, following your soul'spath, regulating your nervous
(01:00:46):
system, then we have so muchmore opportunity.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
And so much more magic too.
I mean, you can't possiblycontrol or predict the magic
that happens when you show up inthis way.
I mean even just having thisconversation now, like there's
no way I would have met youother than business by design
and our weekend in Sedonatogether, and we just completely
hit it off.
We're like oh, you're cool,Awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I was like we're going to be friends.
Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Yeah, and done Exactly so.
I'm just so grateful.
Shout out James and Jenny andTeam Wedmore You're amazing, I
love you so much and also thework that they do in terms of
supporting people with theirmoney story and abundance
journey, and their energeticstoo.
I just love it.
It's all everything I love totalk about.
(01:01:32):
It's so good, it's so good, andthe more good people can be
successful, the more good we cando in the world.
Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
And we have to remember that, as people who can
be easily brought down by allthe occurrences in the world,
it's like we have to rememberthat when money is in the hands
of good people, it onlymagnifies the good.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yeah, we have to hold that vision.
Now tell me about yourthree-day event coming up,
because that sounds so exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Yes, so a few times a year, I run an online virtual
fertility retreat.
And what's really importantabout this so everything that
we've talked about in this hourand learning what your body
needs to feel safe that is whatthis retreat is geared towards.
So I know that so many womencome at their fertility journey
solely focused on, like what'shappening on a physical level,
like am I ovulating, am I timingeverything right, am I taking
the right supplements and it'svery much from this lens of like
(01:02:27):
, doing, doing, doing and trying, and trying yeah.
And a very like masculine energy, and the retreat is an
opportunity to really stepoutside of that for a moment and
explore things differently sothat you can learn what your
individual body needs for thatsafety.
So it's a combination ofeducation like me teaching
(01:02:50):
people like what is actuallyhappening at a cellular level
when a body is in a chronicfight or flight state, but also
doing deep meditations so thatwe can explore that unconscious
realm of like what limitingbeliefs might exist.
What have you been tellingyourself?
Am I too old?
Am I running out of time?
Did I wait too long?
(01:03:11):
My eggs are bad?
There's so many things that wetell ourselves.
Maybe we're not even consciousto them, and this retreat gives
an opportunity to start peelingback those layers so that your
body can feel safe to conceive.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Would this also be good for somebody who might not
necessarily want to conceive butis also having issues like PMDD
or something like that?
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Absolutely, because those are still vital signs.
There is a high affinity forpeople who are trying or want to
in the future, maybe even havethought about it, but they're
like, not 100% sure.
There's a lot of opportunity ofexploration within that.
So if someone purely has likeit's just hormone stuff, I'm not
(01:03:56):
interested in having babies.
I have some other resources orother people that I would refer
to first in those scenariosAwesome.
So the retreat is really gearedtowards people who may want to
have children within the nextcouple of years, all the way
towards people who have beentrying for 10 years and have
never had success.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Beautiful.
I think that sounds like theperfect time to come into your
world.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for droppingin with me, and I know that all
of this conversation is not themost comfortable to talk about,
so I appreciate you jumping inthe deep end with me.
Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Of course Can't stand small talk anyway, so we're in
the right place, Holla frickin'Louia Thumbs down small talk,
thumbs up soul talk.
Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
That's what I'm saying.
That's right.
Thank you, dr Katie.
Have a good day you too.
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So until next time, remember toslow down, tune in, trust your
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