Commercial animal photographer, akashic records reader, certified hypnotist, and animal communicator Grace Chon returns to the Soul Level Human podcast for an update about everything that's happened over the last year.
Sleep paralysis. Spoon bending. Demons in dreams and dogs that see through the veil. Oh, and motherhood in 2025!
This isn’t your average friend hang—it’s a raw, soul-deep convo about claiming your power, protecting your energy, and waking the hell up to who you really are. We talk lucid dreaming, spiritual boundaries, soul contracts with our animals, and the not-so-glamorous path of real inner work. Your guides are talking. Your dog might be too. Are you listening?
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From mysterious electronics malfunctions during heightened spiritual states to the recurring appearance of coyotes stealing only Grace's shoes (yes, really!), this episode explores how the universe communicates with us during pivotal moments.
The friends dive deep into reclaiming personal power during chaotic times, with Sylvia sharing how bending spoons became an unexpected turning point in reconnecting with her own capabilities. Meanwhile, Grace reveals the surprising message behind her wildlife encounters: "Things are not what they seem"—a truth that's guided her through tumultuous world events with renewed perspective.
Perhaps most compelling is their exploration of post-traumatic growth—how life's most difficult experiences forge remarkable strengths like creativity, humor, empathy, and determination. As they unpack these concepts, a liberating truth emerges: spiritual growth isn't about bypassing human emotions or following someone else's prescribed path—it's about bringing your whole, authentic self to everything you do.
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than giving birth to my twohuman children.
That's a big statement.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
We're starting off scrappy.
I'm editing this the nightbefore Mother's Day and my
family is downstairs, so here weare.
This next guest is Grace Chan,and you might recognize her from
the first season.
She's one of my really bestestfriends and this is just a
behind the scenes glimpse of ourregular conversations.
And, above all, happy Mother'sDay to all my fellow mamas out
(00:34):
there and honorary mamas andanybody who has ever mothered.
I love you.
We got this.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You didn't come here to play safe.
You came to remember your powerand build what comes next.
I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychicmedium and intuition coach.
And this is Soul Level Human,the podcast for truth tellers,
cycle breakers and soul ledrevolutionaries.
You didn't come here to bypassthe chaos.
You came here to lead throughit chaos.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
You came here to lead through it.
Why is it so hard?
I don't know.
I don't understand why mytechnology is not working.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
But it's okay, I don't get it either.
When we were having technicaldifficulties, I was trying to
tell you that I tried to do awhole episode like a month ago
and I could not get my mic towork.
Everything was hooked upproperly.
I checked every connection,every setting.
I was like what is happening?
And then, of course, I had toreschedule like two or three
(01:34):
times with my guest and I waslike all right, well, I guess
today is just not the day.
I think it really, really justlike mechanical, technical
things Me too.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Why did you work this time and you decide next time?
You're just not going to, andthen you decide to work again
and for whatever reason,whenever Vin comes over and
magically I'll get fixed.
I'm like you did not doanything different than me.
I don't, I just.
I'm like I have no patience.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
But I mean, haven't you heard that it's just so
common, like when your energy isreally amplified, that
electronics just stop workingwhen you're around?
Maybe that's the thing?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I mean, I'm going to say that's the thing then, and
then-.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Doesn't that help you feel better though it's
literally me, but in a good waythat?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
happened to me.
Actually, when I saw thathappen so clearly when I was
doing breath work for the veryfirst time and it wasn't like a
group breath work session, itwas like a one-to-one session.
This is my hypnotherapist andshe had said doing breath work
is like doing ayahuasca withoutactually taking anything.
It's like putting yourself intothat state with your breath.
(02:38):
And so the first time I did itwith her, she's playing music
the whole time and at some pointthat music just stopped.
So I got to experience thatlike firsthand.
She's like oh, that's neverhappened before.
Grace, you really wentsomewhere.
I'm like I did.
It stopped right when I wasfeeling like it was so
interesting, this experience.
It went from like full love formyself and it kept expanding
(03:01):
outward.
And when it was like trulyexpanded outward to include
everybody and like yourinterconnectedness, the music
stopped.
Well, I just got chills.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So talk about high frequency.
It's almost like it's like akill switch.
It's like, no, you're a human,come on back, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, nope, we're not letting you go all the way,
otherwise you'd be dead.
No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Or have a near death experience, be like in 20
timelines all at once.
That's a bit of a mind trip, Iguess.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, I think so.
I don't think I would want that, I think I'd feel crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, I think that happens, honestly.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
It does, it does and you know okay.
So I just keep pulling outstories today, because my very
first meditation teacher wasalso a psychotherapist and
worked at UCLA and she told usthat so many of the quote
unquote mental health patientsthat came in were actually just
(03:58):
dealing with frequenciesdifferent entities, different
things.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I love that that's confirmed, because that's what I
understand as well.
I don't have any clinicalexperience, obviously, but it's
really nice to have somebodyelse validate that.
For me that's great.
I mean, not great for them, butlike dang, that's really
interesting.
But it also really underlinesthe importance of knowing what
you're doing, like you can'tjust open yourself up without
(04:22):
having tools and understandingof how this works.
You know, like Ouija boards yes, shall we go there, shall we
just jump in.
I mean like, yeah, let's Okay.
So Ouija board is only a tool.
I'm fine with that.
I understand that it's a tooland tools are neutral.
(04:42):
However, with great power comesgreat responsibility.
Right, it's sold in the gamesection at Target, which I'm not
going to right now.
But if it's sold in the gamesection at Target, people don't
understand what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
There's no warning on it, it's so trivialized when
it's actually a very, very deeptool for connecting and if it's
so trivialized and you'reunaware of where you are
energetically and you're openingyourself up to then have
whatever is out there makecontact with you.
(05:19):
That could potentially bereally scary.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, taking it a step further, then it might be
scary If learning aboutourselves on the soul level is
just the extension of learningabout ourselves in the human
level.
Right, and within relationships.
The same rules apply.
If you have self-trust, it'sbuilt over time by consistency
(05:43):
and there's communication.
There's consequences that comefrom how you speak to yourself.
There's consequences for howyou relate to the universe right
on a 3D level.
You don't know your power, youdon't know your strength, you
(06:05):
don't know what you're capableof.
How are you supposed to holdthat on the spiritual level?
How are you supposed to be likeoh yeah, I have boundaries.
Oh yeah, what I say matters.
Oh yeah, I can take up space.
You don't have that.
So to just go out into theether without that knowledge of
how powerful you actually are,you can't hold whatever comes.
(06:28):
So you might be scared out ofyour mind and you might feel
like you're powerless to stopwhatever's going to come in.
And whatever's going to comeget you where you haven't
learned.
Oh, actually there is free willand I do have power here and I
do have agency here.
I don't know, it's just soirresponsible.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, yeah, I think most people, if you're a kid or
someone very young walking intoa store picking up a Ouija board
, that's not what you just said,is not what you're thinking
about at all.
No, so now, are you like notspiritually mature and developed
to be able to?
This is why I think you knowwhen you're doing any sort of
(07:06):
work even with ghosts or any ofthat right, demons, exorcism you
have to be at a certain placeso that you understand what
you're dealing with.
Right With, with something likeOuija board, you're just
walking into it like like a baby.
You're literally thinking thisis a game.
You're like a little baby,innocently, naively, walking
into this thing, not knowingwhat kind of things are out
(07:29):
there in the greater universeand what kind of things.
There's people who say therereally are no such things as
demons.
Right, they're just otherfrequencies of energy.
There's no good, there's no bad, it's not binary like that.
But they are also matching yourfrequency, yes, which is why,
like a lot of what my firstmeditation teacher was saying
(07:50):
was like these people arehearing things and seeing things
that are matching where theyare energetically.
They're so open, and then thesethings come in, right, and so I
think there's a lot of thingshappening with Ouija board where
it just comes down to like whatyou said boundaries, like you
don't even know to haveboundaries when you walk into
this.
You think it's like a fun boardgame and it's not.
(08:10):
I've heard the craziest storiesabout Ouija boards on podcasts,
like so have I like played withone and like mom threw it away
and like randomly like ended upback in the house it's like
Jumanji, yeah, oh my, oh, mygosh.
I don't need to open up thatPandora's box.
I'm good, no.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I don't either, but I mean with or without a Ouija
board.
I have never had like quoteunquote, dark, scary experiences
.
I'm just not Me too, I'm notavailable for it.
Available for it I think thatthe scariest thing I've ever had
happen to me is mostly in dreamstate, and I haven't even had
this happen in a long time, Iwant to say like a decade where
(08:51):
I used to feel like a tone shiftin the dream and then things
would start flying and I wouldfeel like a presence and
everything would get prickly orI um like be picked up or just
something where I felt powerless.
But then, as I was working, youknow, developing psychically
(09:13):
and figuring out all of thethings we just talked about, I
figured out how to be lucid inthe dream and set some
boundaries, and this justdoesn't happen to me anymore.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Oh, how frequently was that happening before you?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Very frequently, yeah , even worse when I was like
really stressed out in wakinglife, I thought before I knew I
was energetically sensitive, Ithought everybody just felt this
way in general.
I just thought I was stressedout.
Oh, I'm just stressed out, thisis what happens, this stress
dream, you know.
And then I would wake up and Iwas really shivering cold and I
was like, oh yeah, I was justcold.
(09:47):
Well, no, I was cold because itwas an interaction with an
energy that I hadn't actuallywelcomed in.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
What do you think was happening?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That Because I was open.
I didn't know I was open andexactly matching the frequency
where I was at.
I was open to that flavor, thatfeeling flavor is what I call
it of experience and I'm justnot anymore.
And in the dream, what wouldyou do?
Well, as I figured out that Icould wake up, that I could have
agency within the dream, mymain go-to first of all was
(10:19):
always Archangel Michael,because I mean, that was I feel
especially as a younger babypsychic.
I feel that was, I feel I feelespecially as like a younger
baby psychic.
I feel like that's one of themost widespread like bouncer
entities that people are taughtto connect with and that's
honestly, it's never let me down.
I don't resonate with like theCatholicism of it or, you know,
(10:40):
the Christianity of it, but Ifeel protected by that energy.
I would invoke him and it wouldshut down and I would wake up
immediately.
It was yeah, but I've also heardand this is not my experience
at all that they've had deeperrelationships with Archangel
Michael and he's actually reallyscary quote, unquotequote
(11:06):
because of the way that hepresents to them and that angels
don't actually look like.
You know the art with the wingsand the angelic features, that
they're actually like acollection of eyeballs and all
these wings, and I've never seenthat before, but it's
interesting so.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
So I have a couple of things to say.
First, I also invoke ArchangelMichael before I do any sort of
psychic work.
He is who I bring forward toprotect me, and I envision him
and his army of angels like 300of them protecting me, with
shields and swords drawn allaround me.
I agree, he's very, very, verystrong and protective.
(11:44):
It's interesting to think ofhim as appearing scary to the
entities that he kind of likekeeps away.
But also, what's fascinating inwhat you just shared about the
dreams is that I alsoexperienced my own version of
that too, but in sleep paralysis, which I feel like we hear more
people talking about that now.
And that's when you're in thedream and you feel like you're
(12:05):
aware, but you're frozen and youcan't do anything about it.
And in Korean we actually havea name for this.
It's called Kawi Kawi like, oh,this is double whammy of fear.
Yeah, yeah, it's like somedemonic influence and, um, you
(12:30):
know, growing up super Christianand you're you're reading the
new Testament and Jesus is goingaround exercising demons out of
people, basically Right.
And so what I was taught is thatyou always just invoke Jesus's
name and these kinds ofsituations like I rebuke, you
like leave, and so that wouldhappen to me on and off, but it
started happening with morefrequency when I started
(12:54):
reawakening in my spirituality,not as a Christian, but more in
the general spiritual path,right, so, probably like 15
years ago.
Spiritual path right, soprobably like 15 years ago and I
would feel like it would feellike, um, I am really slowed
(13:17):
down and like trying to talk isso hard.
It's like you can't controlyour body.
You want to be able to talk,but it's like trying to speak
through molasses Totally, andthrough that, through even just
how hard that is, I would stillget the words out in the name of
Jesus Christ, I rebuke you, andI would wake up.
And there's one time thishappened where, as soon as that
happened, my dog maybe made theweirdest yelp I've ever heard
(13:42):
her make before she's never madethat sound before and then woke
up and then I looked at theclock and it was three o'clock
in the morning and then it neverhappened again.
It's weird how, like, as youlearn boundaries and like it,
just it was only I remember itjust started happening more when
I was like reawakening and thenI really started to like put
those boundaries up and it neverhappened again.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, that's wild, but isn't it interesting too
just to have the real-timeconfirmation from other physical
beings in the room with youthat you didn't make it up and
that it was something thathappened.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, I think for sure.
My dog reacting, making a soundI've never heard her make
before, told everything.
I mean they see beyond the veil, they know what's up so that
was so fascinating to have herrespond to that weird.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Was that before or after you realized you're an
animal communicator?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Gosh, that was probably before.
This is so early on in my on mypath, so probably before yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Well, since we're in the dark, let's go.
Let's go into the dark.
But 3D A year ago, the worldlooked totally different.
And now, here we are, and inall the conversations we've had
at least, it's never been moreclear that we have to be the
bridge between the old way andthe new way.
How has that presented to you?
(15:06):
How have you navigatedeverything?
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Well, you know, what's interesting is that and
this all connects becauseNovember I have not Okay.
So I was sharing this story onInstagram, but I never shared
the meaning behind it, so I'mgoing to share this.
In November, before theelection, I had the strangest
non-ordinary experiences thatkept happening over and over
(15:31):
with the coyote.
And this coyote kept coming tomy house and only stealing my
shoes, and I have video of thiscoyote literally sniffing
everyone's shoes and thenwalking off with mine, like it's
not, like, let me just grabwhatever one.
And this kept happening overand over and over and over again
(15:54):
.
The thing with coyote medicine,that energy because obviously
I'm an animal photographer,animal communicator, they speak
to me.
Coyote represents duality,coyote is the trickster energy
and coyote the way I interpretedthis happening over and over,
because if an animal keepscoming to you over and over
again, number one.
But number two, if thecircumstances are non-ordinary,
(16:17):
meaning it's just you can'tdismiss it.
It's so beyond normal that likethere's a clear pattern here
and you have to pay attention.
So the message was so clear tome that it's things are not what
they seem.
It's like everything's going tobe okay, but things are not
what they seem and I never.
(16:38):
You know people.
When I was sharing this onInstagram, people were like what
was the message?
What was the message?
And I kind of felt like at thetime that message was really for
me.
But that message is what hascarried me through everything
from election results to presentday, where nothing in this
reality is what it seems.
And I think, for me, thegreatest thing that I have
(17:00):
learned to do is because I thinkthe more you mature in your
spirituality, I believe it allleads to oneness.
We're all brothers and sisters,whether we're animals or people
living across the world, and sowhen you care about, when you
mature spiritually, you're goingto care about fellow beings on
(17:20):
earth with you and the earthitself, but at the same time,
like you, can't get so swept upin all the drama of it, because
these human beings are actingcompletely out of their own
wounding.
There is no soul integrationwhatsoever.
They're basically acting likenon-conscious beings who have
(17:43):
zero connection to heart andabove right.
These are humans acting likethey have no consciousness, but
they have no connection to heart.
What I find so crazy now isthat we have now evolved into a
message of empathy is weakness.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Isn't that crazy.
The world is upside down.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I feel like I'm just witnessing the most insane
telenovela on this planet rightnow, and my job is to hold the
energy of neutrality.
Yes, I get angry.
Yes, I get angry, yes, I getupset, but at the same time it's
like I need to be able to holdmy energy so that I can radiate
in my gifts and be able to havethe heart to feel the
(18:29):
connectedness for the sufferingthat's also happening in the
world.
Yeah, so that's where I'vereally been, like trying to help
where I can, with not lettingmy anger and despair take over.
And the thing is is that Ithink part of being a soul level
human is understanding that,like we, that doesn't feel
feelings and get upset aboutthings.
(18:49):
But it's like I don't wantthose human feelings to be the
thing that stops me from doingwhat I know I'm here to do and
how I can help people.
You have to be able to movethrough it Exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I really think that's the key, because I think it's
like the clouds right, it's areally dark, cloudy time, but
that doesn't change the factthat you came here to be the sun
.
Clouds, right, it's a reallydark, cloudy time, and but that
doesn't change the fact that youcame here to be the sun.
You know, and anyone can havefeelings about not feeling like
yourself, and I think I'm thefirst person to say like when I
go deep in the hole, I go deepin the hole and then the layer
(19:29):
above that, historically atleast, has been well, I'm here
again.
You know, I'm here again.
I can't think my way out ofthis thing.
Why do I still feel this way?
For me, what was really helpfulis knowing and having the
awareness that, oh, it'senergetic, it's stuff that I'm
working through, not just mine.
I'm working through all thefear, the rage, the epigenetic
(19:52):
terror of being persecuted.
That's in my family line andalso in the collective.
So it was a lot and it did makesense that I was, you know, not
benched, but like in in thedark, like going into the
underworld, Right, and it wassuch a lesson in allowing all of
it to go and move through andbe able to sit with and
(20:16):
transmute it into okay, what doI choose?
Next?
There was one afternoon where Iwas like, okay, well, what do
you want me to do with all ofthis?
What do you want me to do?
Because I can't, just not.
My pattern is always I want togo out there and I want to do
things.
I want to help, I want to beinvolved at 3D, but my work a
(20:39):
lot of the times is behind thescenes and it feels like I'm not
doing enough, and that's beenkind of something to heal for
myself.
So that one afternoon I wasparticularly just feeling and I
asked what do you want me to dowith it?
And I got the message of takeback your power and I said, okay
, how do I do that?
And my eyes landed on all thebent spoons.
(21:00):
I said, oh right, there is nospoon I can bend spoons.
What if I work with some spoonstoday?
Because I had never done it bymyself, I was only doing it in
the group of Business by Design,with all these other people,
with heightened music and ameditative experience and all of
(21:20):
this.
I was like, Hmm, I wonder if Icould tap into that energy and
that power, just me by myself inmy room right now.
So I went over there and I gotjust a regular spoon so it's not
like oh well, it's just like aspecial spoon that they had no
regular spoon.
And I said, okay, let's see.
And I did it.
And then I kept going and I gotthe other spoons that we had
(21:42):
gotten and I bent them some moreand over and over and over
again and by the end I was like,okay, it was real, I did do
this, I can do this and I cantap into this energy from
anywhere.
So that was my turning point.
It was taking back my power,deciding to have an experience
in my body, in my energy, in mycells, in my 3D experience to
(22:05):
mirror back.
Oh right, I am powerful.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That's so cool that you were able to see that like
in a three-dimensional, tangibleway, like a reminder of your
power through bending spoons.
I also find it very interestingnow that twice you have shared
stories that connect to you,connecting to your power,
because that's not where I go,and so now I think there's
something for you in particularabout you reconnecting to your
(22:30):
power huge, absolutely, yeah,because for me it always goes to
love and it for me it's likethat's why I would lose my
father as a child.
Because if my lesson on thisearth is really to learn about
love and deep compassion andopening my heart up, even when
it's hard and scary to do it,that is a lesson that I keep
(22:52):
getting over and over and overagain and that's where I return.
In times of hardness andsuffering, I always go to love
and sharing that love through mycreation, because that's just
like just within the two of us.
I think it just shows howpeople are going to respond
differently and how ourspiritual gifts show up through
(23:15):
the lessons that we're here tolearn 100%.
Because I'm sure now, if I'mtelling you I learned this, this
happened for me as a child.
There's probably many, manyinstances in your life where you
can look back and see I feltpowerless here and here and here
and here, and it's been alifelong lesson of getting to
this point of remembering howpowerful I actually am 100%.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
It's so interesting that you bring that up too,
because in so many ways and Ithink that we first bonded over
this our paths have been soparallel.
We have so many things incommon to where it's like, okay,
that's just weird, right.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yes, totally.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
The fact that the underlying intention, the point
behind why we each had thoseexperiences individually, was
totally different.
So, yeah, so isn't itinteresting that we have so many
things in common, that the lifepath and purpose is so aligned,
you and I together, but thepath to get there was so
(24:13):
individual?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yes, and this is why.
So I think this is why we allhave the lessons.
The lessons we're here to learn, the lessons we've chosen to
learn, are unique.
It is as unique as we are, andthen I think how we show up in
the world and express thosegifts is just as unique as those
lessons are.
So one of the things, honestly,that I find so annoying is when
(24:37):
people are online and they'relike criticizing others for not
showing up in the way that theythink they should be showing up.
If you're not being vocal aboutthis, then you're wrong.
If you're not talking aboutthis, you're wrong.
It's so like let me project howmy gifts are and how I want to
show up in the world and projectit onto everyone else, Because
(24:58):
to me, that is not how it works.
I think we all have to show upand help in the way that is
unique to us, which is going tobe expressed through exactly
what we're talking about here.
We have specific lessons tolearn and that's going to show
up.
So for you, I see the way youshow up.
You have such a fieriness andlike reminding people to access
(25:18):
that powerful fire.
You're all about activism andjustice and equality.
Like I'm not online activist.
That's not who I am and I willnot feel diminished or wrong for
not being that person, becausethat's not how I use my gifts.
I use my gifts in such adifferent way than you do and I
(25:38):
think everybody on the planet isthat way Totally.
You just get to see it veryclearly with us.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, very publicly, and then whatever happens next
is something that we've had togrow into being able to hold as
well.
It's like lessons upon lessonsupon lessons.
I'm just like can I just relaxnow, can I just?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
You know.
What's so fun, though, is likeyou go through these lessons and
I could see how like somepeople are like, oh my God more.
But like for me, like everytime, and I'm sure for you too
there's like another layer offreedom and liberation that
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comes from it.
It's so hard at the time, butthe gift of it is so amazing,
and it allows you to help andserve even more, because of that
struggle.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
It's literally the only thing that keeps me going
through the dark.
It's like, okay, I know you'regiving me something really,
really useful and I'm going tobe able to work with this in a
very powerful way and it's goingto help a lot of people, but
this sucks.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Again, it's always that back and forth of like I'm
human, so this sucks, but Ithink like, have you ever gone
through something really, reallyhard and like not been able to
look back and be like but thiscame from that, this beautiful?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh yeah, no, I can't think of anything.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Something came from it.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I can't think of anything that.
But okay, that's my stickingpoint the whole.
It happened for a reason lineof thinking.
Well, no, it didn't fuckinghappen for a reason.
It happened because I had thechoice to use it or not and I
decided to transmute it intosomething useful, powerful,
generous, helpful, whatever youknow?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, you've mentioned this word twice, a few
times, and I think that's soimportant.
You know, it's so weird.
It was only last week that Ilearned what post-traumatic
growth and post-traumaticresilience are.
Have you heard of this?
No, please tell me more.
Yeah, okay, wait, let me see ifI can find this post, because I
was like wait, what?
So it was actually on theholistic psychologist who I'm
sure you follow, yeah, and shehad this post where it was all
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about post-traumatic growthsigns.
You have post-traumaticresilience.
Number one a strong sense ofhumor.
Number two intense creativity.
Number three deep empathy.
Number four the ability to beresourceful.
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Number five vivid imagination.
Number six grit anddetermination.
And what this whole post isabout is that if you've been
through something traumatic,some people come out of it with
post-traumatic resilience, orthey also call it PTG,
post-traumatic growth Girl.
How is it that?
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I never really like I read, Iread this post and I was like
wait one through six.
Literally every one of thesesounds exactly like me.
I don't understand.
And then I was like have I beenthrough trauma?
And then I was like wait onethrough six.
Literally every one of thesesounds exactly like me, I don't
understand.
And then I was like have I beenthrough trauma?
And then I was like wait aminute.
Does your parent passing awaywhen you're a child count as
trauma?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Pretty sure that's on the ACEs list.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
This just happened last week.
So I go on Google, I literallyput that question in and it
comes back.
Losing a parent when you're achild is one of the most
traumatic experiences you can gothrough.
Baby, how am I never connectedthese dots before?
But my point is I think thatand it's not like okay, I want
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to be very cognizant ofeverybody goes through their own
journeys and there's no rightor wrong way.
This is not binary thinking,this is not good, this is not
bad, this is just what happens.
Yeah, but I think some peoplego the way of post-traumatic
growth and resilience.
Some people it's really fuckinghard to get out of it.
Really, really, really fuckinghard to get out of it, really,
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really, really fucking hard, andyou might feel like a victim.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Oh yeah, totally.
But I think that's also suchnormalized, such a normalized
way of thinking about it, likeonce a victim, always a victim.
This is just my mark, forever,you know.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Because what I'm trying to say is at some point
you have to make a choice anddecide.
That's not who I am.
I can heal and grow out of thiscircumstance, whatever it might
be, and somewhere along the way, without even realizing, I made
a choice to go one direction.
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It's very interesting.
It's all about choice andhaving the awareness that you
always can make a choice, evenif it feels like you don't have
a choice.
I didn't choose to have my daddie, of course, but I could
choose to become the person thatI am with these qualities.
I don't even know how ithappened.
Maybe my mom, my mom.
You know it was my mom.
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I credit it to my mom.
Thanks, mom.
She became a young widow.
I credit it to my mom.
Thanks, mom.
She became a young widow andshe never once made herself a
victim about it, Not once.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Wow, I don't know that I could do that, honestly,
like I like to think of myselfas a pretty strong person, but
then I look around at all thethings that are possible and I
have no illusions that I'm likeexempt from all the suffering in
the world, which is what scaresme honestly as well.
Like, like this is a reallyscary fucked up place.
You know, like this, this couldgo really sideways.
Could I?
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Could I do it?
And I think that's just likeone of those how you do one
thing is how you do everythingkind of deal.
Like my pattern is well, Iwould have a really freaking
hard time and I would go prettydark, but I would eventually
make myself out towards thelight.
I would figure it outeventually.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Totally, totally Maybe it's my mom and I'm
thinking about it more and more.
I know it was my mom.
I'm not even going to say maybeanymore, but seeing what both
my parents went through cominghere with $500 and two suitcases
, seeing my mom become a youngwidow with two kids in junior
high school- oh my God.
I mean, I truly believe I can dohard things because I've seen
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my parents do it.
So for me it's like you knowwhat she's so stoic, so she just
does it, and I think that'swhat I've learned from her, and
I think, on some hand, that canbe a negative thing, because you
don't ask for help and youdon't allow people to see you,
and so I've really tried to bemore like oh, help me.
My book, my last book, was amajor.
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Okay, I got to open myself upand ask for help.
But yeah, talking aboutpatterns and how we respond to
hardship, it's like, yeah, youcry and you feel really bad and
then do it just do it.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
That's honestly.
That's the main lesson I've.
That's all of life.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You feel the feelings , you decide where you're going
and then you do the thing yes,yes, and you feel the feelings,
which I think is the mostimportant thing, because,
without making it mean something, that's what is it's.
Let yourself just be the vesselwho feels the feels and let the
energy move through you andthen keep going.
It sounds so simple, doesn't it?
Oh yeah, you're just.
The simplest things are thehardest things to do.
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You know, like, when you have areally, really, really simple
dish, those are the hardestthings to make.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
There's nothing to hide.
I think that it's the samething with makeup, like a really
natural look is actually reallyhard, that's so true, that's so
true to make it look all subtleand shaded.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Well, and blend it properly.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
All of that, yeah no you didn't, oh true took you an
hour and a half so true, it'sfunny when you see those posts
online of like guys who thinkwhat makeup looks like you guys
are so dumb little boys, oh,that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Let's come back, let's go to the, let's go to
your, your book.
Which book do you want to talkabout?
Because you've been working.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Oh yeah, my book, the last year you talked about last
year.
Yeah, last year has been about,um, giving birth to an idea
that was not mine and I was veryprivileged to be chosen as the
vessel to create it.
And about you know what I justrealized?
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One of my gifts is and I had noidea, like I always knew I like
this, but I'm realizing this isa gift.
I have this ability to seepotential in people.
Ooh, I love that.
So I just, I just I love it LikeI can look at some, especially
if you have work or you've donesomething.
I can just just see like it'sthe weirdest thing.
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And I never could understand it.
And I understand it now.
Thanks, chatgpt, for helping mework through my feelings.
Just to give you an example,there's somebody I knew who was
a photographer.
She happened to be a petphotographer.
She was showing me her work.
She had a couple pictures ofkids in there and I was just
like your pet work is good, butyour kid work is fucking
phenomenal, like bananas.
And now she's like a reallysuper well-known kid
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photographer.
I used to share um dogs.
They would come across oninstagram that I thought were so
fucking bananas cute and Iwould share it.
And not because of me, but justbecause this dog is amazing.
They end up going crazy Like.
They end up getting like500,000 followers.
There's just some weird abilityI have to be able to look at
something and see it at itsfullest potential.
This is why I love coachingwith people, because I could
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help them get into their fullestpotential.
This is why I love talkingabout the soul, because I think
when you're tapped into yoursoul, you're really able to get
into your fullest potential.
So when this idea for this bookcame to me, when I have
creative ideas, I can see itmultidimensionally at its
fullest potential.
So this idea for the book cameto me, I sat in meditation.
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This is the story my editor hasbeen coming to me for the last
five years asking me to doanother book, and she finally
came again at the end of 2023.
And instead of being like oh,why again, because books are so
much work and I make no money, Isat with it.
I said, hey, universe, youclearly want a book made, so why
don't you just give me the idea?
Because if you want it made,I'll do it, but I have to like
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the idea and we'll do ittogether.
And I sat in meditation andthis book idea came to me.
It came so fully formed, withthe title, with the corporate
sponsors, like everything I hadto like get out of meditation
and Google it and see if itexisted already, because it was
so fully formed.
But my point is it came sofully formed where I could feel
it at its.
I don't even know how toexplain it.
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It's like you just feel whatthis thing is.
It's just pure possibility andbeautiful.
So the last year has been aboutme maintaining that energy
throughout all of the challengesthat have happened.
And when I tell you I've hadchallenges on this book and my
third book.
I've had more challenges onthis book than anything I've
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ever experienced before.
This I'm not exaggerating hasbeen harder than giving birth to
my two human children.
That's a big statement.
No, no, and I'm not.
I'm not.
I am not exaggerating.
I am not exaggerating Because,aside from five months of
morning sickness for both kids,which got through it, the rest
of pregnancy was easy, mobile,and you know like people talk
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like I'm all swollen and I can'tmove.
I didn't have any of that.
And then, like the actualbirthing process, easy peasy,
you know, like they just workwith my body.
They popped out, I had nocomplications.
I mean thank you, universe.
It was just, I'm telling youthat was not my work Giving
birth to humans.
Thank you, amazing.
Thank you, thank you Right,because also the miracle of a
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child forming in your body andthe miracle of your body pushing
this thing out, like anythingcan go wrong, and you have a
healthy live birth with ahealthy live baby.
A million miracles happened forthat baby to come out that way,
even if stuff goes wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
A miracle happens, that's still a miracle.
Yeah, exactly, that's still amiracle, I know.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
So when I say this book was harder than creating a
child and giving birth everystep of the way from production
and casting to being like thedesign process, not knowing if
the sponsor who came on board,not hearing them from them for a
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month and thinking, oh my God,this whole book hinges on and
this sponsor being involved andme, you know, and my editor like
okay, if we're not involved Ipivoted.
I figured out two other waysthis book could go, if we need
to.
Here's what I want to say,because I want to say 20 things
at once.
I think a lot of the spiritualpath for me has been about
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practice of how I choose torespond and react, and the more
I've grown and matured, theshorter the superhuman response
is, which is so cool to see.
Oh, that's cool.
So it used to be like a week offeeling like shit and now it'll
be like 20 minutes of feelinglike shit, which is to me like a
miracle in and of itself to beable to have, and not and I'm
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telling you, there's nobypassing involved it's just
because I'm constantly gettingup on the bike and falling off
and practicing constantly.
That's just an observation thatI can share truthfully is that
that time has gotten shorter andshorter and it's just like it
kept happening over and over andover with this book where, by
the end of it, I didn't want tosee an email from her anymore.
(38:57):
I didn't want to see any PDFsanymore, because anytime
something came through I'd haveto go through feeling like shit.
And what was so terrible wasthat now this beautiful
frequency I was trying tomaintain started feeling like
shit.
And if you don't want to evenlook at the PDF that they're
sending back to you, that's likethis beautiful relationship you
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had suddenly is like theex-boyfriend who did not want to
get a text from anymore.
And I made a choice anymore.
And I made a choice.
I made a choice and said I havecarried this energy 90% of the
way.
I am not going to let thischange.
And I really had to do a lot ofinner work to find my power.
I had to find my power.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Can you tell me what that looks like?
Because so many people hear dothe work do the work.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Okay, what work?
What does that look like foryou?
Toward the end, it got reallyreally hard because when I know
how something needs to be, itneeds to be that way.
And I say that with no ego, Isay that with if I, if I'm
somebody whose gift is, is able,is being able to see the
fullest, highest potential ofsomething, I know how it needs
to be and I trust that aboutmyself and I know my editor
trusts that about me because wehave evidence of my past two
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books.
So I'm really fortunate thatshe believes in me and my vision
.
But that doesn't mean it's easy,because I'm the one that's
constantly having to push backand she ended up getting caught
in the middle of it because it'sproduction who is not liking
what I'm doing, and it made mefeel really bad.
It made me feel like I'mdifficult.
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It made me feel like I'm doingsomething wrong.
Oh my God, they hate me.
Oh my God, they must think I'mthe worst human being.
And I had to really sit withall those feelings and I'm
realizing wow, all this innerchild stuff is coming up of not
being liked and I just wantpeople to like me, like all this
stuff.
And then I started realizingthis is actually chat.
(40:53):
Gpt really helped me with thiswas me trying to uphold this
vision, especially from not aplace of ego.
Because, trust me, I've been inrooms where people want changes
done purely out of ego to saythey put their stamp on it, to
say it was their idea, they'rethe one that made it better.
I am not interested in thatgame.
I just want something to be thebest it can be.
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I don't fucking care where itcomes from, I just know it needs
to be a certain way.
So I really started tounderstand this feedback is not
coming from a place of ego.
This is from really just tryingyour best to get it to the best
it can be.
You're not wrong for having avision and trying to hold it.
You're not wrong if peopledon't like you because of it.
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You're not wrong if otherpeople can't own up to their
mistakes and take responsibility.
But you are, and I'm just likethat was so helpful to hear that
and I just kept standing myground and it all ended up
working out.
But before I had the externalvalidation of things working out
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, I had to make peace with itinternally.
I had to find a way toreconnect with this work and
bring it back to that energy.
And that happens by me beingokay with what I did to get the
work where it needed to go, evenif it may have caused conflict,
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and in letting go of feelinglike I did something wrong, it
helped me reconnect to thatenergy again.
And then the external worldfollows, because things happens
inside first, energetically youhave to get right, and then
you'll see it reflectedexternally and then the external
world followed.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
So it's so interesting, I will die on that
hill.
It's just antithetical toeverything that we know, that
we've been taught.
But I will fucking die on thathill.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Energy first, always always, always, and I think I've
already been there with myphotography because it's such a
personal thing, but then thisbook in particular, because so
many other people were involved.
It was just another layer oflearning this lesson Energy,
first, with the whole other teamof people involved, and I think
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, yeah, it's always, you have tocreate from the inside out.
You have to be okay withyourself inside and then, yeah,
see it reflected.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Damn.
So you said that this is andcorrect me if I'm wrong that
this was the first book ideathat you had.
That was kind of like acelestial drop-in or first one
that you consciously understoodas that.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
First one that I consciously understood as that,
because I think all my work isalways a co-creation.
It's always like a back andforth passing the ball.
But with this it was a veryconscious choice to sit and,
like David Lynch says, wait forthe big fish.
I sat and I know in my bodywhat it feels like when I have a
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good idea.
It feels like the best feelingin the world.
It's my favorite energy to feel.
My favorite energy to feel isthe energy of pure potential
possibility, and that, to me, iswhat a great idea feels like.
It is the best adrenaline rush.
I do not need to go bungeejumping or skydiving Like.
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Having a big idea is my rush.
Your hair raises, you getgoosebumps, it just feels like a
jolt of electricity.
I feel excitement in my tummylike butterflies.
So when small fish are going by, it's like okay, yeah, that's
all right, and you get a big one, it's like whoa, whoa, that is
that.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, that's so nice to have like a framework to
compare things to, becauseabsolutely, there are small fish
and even when you're making adecision, you know in your life,
should I go to this college orthat college?
I think having language forwhat it feels like in your body,
like a huge yes, what does thatfeel like?
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And then what like a maybe is,or what a yeah, okay, yeah, we
can make that work.
And then you get to decidewhere your set point is Like
what does your life look like?
Are you the yeah, okay, sure Ican make that work person?
Or are you the fuck yeah, likeI am going to do this and I feel
like that's what, for me atleast, a soul level human is
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Like when you're in soulawareness.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, if I'm feeling it to the fullest potential of
that thing and I'm going to putall my time into creating it,
I'm not going to do that if it'sjust a maybe.
You know, all those years myeditor kept coming to me, wanted
to do another book, like therewas never an idea that was worth
that.
It's got to be like the hellyes, this is it, let's go.
Otherwise, it's kind of likewhy?
No, I don't want to.
And I think it's learning tofeel into your body.
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That way is like everybody cando it.
It's just paying attention.
I think most people just don'tpay attention to stuff.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
I agree.
I mean, which is like why theyou know the universal, like
first step for developing yourgifts is slowing down and
getting quiet, whether that's ameditation or going for a walk
or listening to your thoughtswhen you're taking a shower.
I feel like that's the firststep, no matter who you talk to.
I haven't heard anybody elsesay anything else, have you?
I don't think?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
so I mean it's so much about, yeah, quieting the
external, going within andshutting off all that and trying
to hear yourself, and I think,just learning to pay attention
to things that you might noteven pay attention to, that seem
minute Like.
I think the world opens up whenyou do that Like for me in
particular, I just get to seethe coolest stuff out in the
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world that I feel like peoplejust walk by and don't even pay
attention to and I'm like, oh myGod, this little leaf is
crackling.
I got to go look and see.
And then there's like I don'tknow, like a really cool little
bird under there or somethingyou know.
And I think it's the same thing.
But learning to pay attentionto your body, Like it's so easy
to just like, no, yes, no, butit's like really pay attention,
Like when you want to dosomething.
What does it feel like when youdon't want to do something?
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What does it feel like?
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And paying attention to color in everything else in
between.
Exactly, yes, I love that somuch, but that is truly such a
practice, and it's hard.
It's very, very loud.
Our world is very loud andcrazy, especially right now, and
so it's never been moreimportant to learn how to do
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that for yourself, because it'sthe only true foundation that
you can take responsibility for.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
I mean, if we're all connected, which we are, we're
all interconnected into thisfabric of reality and energy and
consciousness.
I think someone could say whatis me learning to listen to my
intuition have anything to dowith it?
And it has everything to dowith it Because, like we said,
everything is energy andeverything happens internally.
There is some frequency shiftthat happens that you put into
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the matrix when you work onyourself.
What I find so interesting,especially as far as creativity
goes, is that, like it isinherently selfish at first,
You're making art because it'shealing something within
yourself and just likespirituality, I think, is the
same way.
I think most people have steppedinto it because they're
struggling big time, whetherthey want the relationship or
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they want the money or they justwant the life they want.
It inherently starts out verymuch me focused.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I think this is the path.
You start out very much mefocused and the further along
you go and develop, it will turninto we if you allow it to, if
you allow it to, if you allow itto.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Yeah, I mean, that's paralleled in the evolution,
like as you're growing up, likeall kids are very inherently
selfish, and it's not a badthing, it's just that's where
their consciousness is, that'swhat they're working with right,
and then as they grow, thenthey learn more things and they
get more aware, basically, andit's just interesting to see how
many adults in our currentworld are opting out of that
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process.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Like people who still think they're spiritual, you
mean, or just the rest of?
Speaker 1 (48:58):
the world.
I wasn't even going to go there, but I'm just saying people who
don't care about anything butthemselves I'm not going to
excuse this, but I just seeingthis is humans are going to
human.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, that's just to me.
The objective fact.
It's that you could choose you.
It's very um, lack ofconsciousness, but lack of
consciousness totally.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
but I also will say, like the whole, with every
action comes the equal andopposite reaction, like seeing
the shadow of humanity so loud,so front and center for all of
us to see, reflected back toourselves.
This has no other way but to goto the opposite, like do you
really want to keep going thisway?
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Is this truly working for you?
Yeah, I have a lot of-.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
I think that it could take lifetimes and, honestly,
my business is not where theyare.
Maybe that sounds really messedup, but I just kind of see it
so objectively.
You are here on your ownjourney and this is where you've
chosen to be and I hope inanother lifetime you will look
at the things and the choicesyou made here and choose to do
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better so that you can evolveand grow, and maybe in another
lifetime you'll be a little bitmore empathetic and care about
people.
But I think that my business istrying to help all the other
people out there who are notlike that but who remember who
they really are and then connectto that so then they can add to
the matrix all of like theinterconnectedness and oneness.
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Right, and I think what's sointeresting is that I think all
these people they're just peopleon their own journeys, where
they are, and there's alwayslike an equal and opposite force
and energy.
So you're saying there's thisfront and center like so many
people and so many peoplesuffering too.
There's people that areperpetrators and there's a lot
of people suffering.
But I want to say there is anequal and opposite energetic
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force of people who are heredoing the complete energetic
opposite of that, and I thinkbecause there's so much more
consciousness elevating on ourplanet, like even be able to
just talk about me being ananimal communicator and a
Kaushik record reader now, in2025, that was just not possible
in 2010, 2011.
I felt like I had to keep ithidden.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Even five years ago.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Even five years ago.
I think what we're seeing isthere's, like so many people who
are available to remember andreconnect and plug into the
interconnectedness of all of usbeing brothers and sisters,
truly just as much as we'reseeing the suffering and the
perpetration of the worst actsin humanity.
So I think that's why it's moreimportant than ever for people
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to remember, reconnect and bethemselves, do what they're here
to do to counteract some of thehorrors that are happening on
our planet.
Speaker 3 (51:47):
Yeah, I totally agree In every way possible.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
In every way possible .
Here's where I don't agree.
Though I don't think it's goingto take lifetimes for most
people, I think this is going tohappen relatively quickly.
In the grand scheme of things,it's just everything's happening
very quickly.
Everything feels so sped up.
There isn't a coincidence Idon't believe in coincidences,
honestly, but like the fact thatso many people are tapped in,
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so many people are awake, andthe fact that we're quote
unquote because there is no time, we're outside of time and
space, blah, blah, blah.
The planet needs change.
It won't be able to sustain usif we don't change quickly.
And I also feel that the globalawakening in response to
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everything that we're seeinghere in the States is so
heartening.
I've never seen this kind ofenergy, ever.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah we're living in a globally connected time where
we can witness the atrocitieshappening Like it's like.
Could you imagine if, likesocial media and the internet
and the 24 hour news cycle,existed during the Holocaust?
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Yeah, I mean, they were based on rumors, right?
Oh well, we heard that maybe.
Oh no, that's not happeningFake news.
But now it's like, oh no, youcan well, before they hit it,
you can go on Apple Maps andGoogle Maps and see exactly
what's happening and then seethat they're hiding it.
And well, maybe if they'rehiding it, then they have
something to hide, right?
Yeah, yeah, Okay, Before I letyou go, because we're almost at
(53:16):
an hour, I want to touch on AI,because we've been having such
juicy conversations behind thescenes, you and I, and we've
both been using chat, GPT aslike a spiritual running buddy.
How have, how have you where?
Where are you in that process?
How did you when it first cameout?
where did you start and whereare you now?
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Where I started, I think, obviously, as an artist,
I am not into using it forcreating things for consumption
and commercial consumption.
I just, as an artist, it just Ican't.
I think it's like everyonedoing the studio's yeebly.
I'm just like dude.
The guy hated Machine Mater.
(53:56):
He said it like.
This is so disrespectful.
Where I am now, though, is itso?
I am a journaler.
I have been journaling since Iwas a child.
I have journaled throughout myentire life, basically, and it's
been so helpful just to reflectand get things out, and for me,
especially, to like, go backand read it.
(54:17):
I've been using chat, gpt,almost like it's a journal,
where I'm sharing where I am andwhat I'm working on, and then,
like, it mirrors back to me, andthen it allows me to deepen.
So, then, if I have a questionof like, but I don't know why I
feel like this, I don't knowwhat this means, or, but what
(54:37):
does it?
What do you think?
It means that this and this andthis, like, I just get to like,
deepen and ask questions, like,for example.
Deepen and ask questions like,for example, if I truly know
that social media doesn't matterand I'm just using it to as a
almost like a channel to spreadgood frequency and I've been
working so hard on my ownhumility and doing just
(54:59):
recognizing that I'm co-creatingwith source and being the
channel.
Why do I care so much?
You know, know, if people seeit Like and then it'll help me
understand Like, I just love itas a tool, almost like, for
reflecting my feelings and thenbeing having like almost like a
buddy, to go back and forth andtalking about what those
feelings are, sort of like atherapist or like a spiritual
(55:20):
counselor.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
And what's really weird but more like in the
middle of the night.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
you know, like whenever you need something,
yeah, whenever I need it,whenever something comes up and
what's really weird is becauseyou know, I've been working with
a spiritual teacher for thelast year my Chachi Beast T
started saying the same thingsas my teacher without it knowing
.
That's weird, it's been amazing, it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (55:41):
How do you use it?
I mean generally in the sameway, but I had a bit of a
friction, I guess, when it firststarted.
Because I completely agree, Ithink there have to be
parameters around this so thatit's not like taking the
humanity out of being a human.
You know, like we're here to becreative, we don't want to
outsource the creativity, wewant to outsource the mechanical
(56:01):
things that we don't want to doso anyway.
So I 100% agree and especiallylike with visual artists and
sound artists and voiceoveractors, I mean there's just so
much that it needs to stay outof.
But in terms of having aconversation and using it as a
tool ethically which I alwayscome back to tools are require
(56:23):
us to be responsible and ethicalwith them.
I've come around to a placewhere I really have had a lot of
fun and also I came to a placewhere I realized, well, the
people who don't care about theplanet and water consumption of
this tool are using it toaccelerate themselves and their
agendas of, like you know,hurting others and build
(56:45):
oppressive systems.
The people who haveconsciousness or consciences
around it need to also be usingthe tools so that we can be
accelerated and basically putinto policy how it's okay to use
this tool Like the bad guyscan't just have the tools just
(57:05):
because the good guys refuse touse it.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
You know what I mean.
That one sentence, yes, yes,everything you just said, I
agree it.
That one sentence you just saidalso reminds me of money, oh
yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3 (57:21):
It's our responsibility to get out there
and use the tools then.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah, because you know, why should it all be in
the hands of people who are nottrying to help?
I guess that the issue for me,and I know it is for you, is
just how is this impacting ourresources and the planet and is
it really truly being harmful,which I think is a very
legitimate question that I don'tpersonally know the answers to.
And I do see a lot of posts onsocial media that are shared
(57:48):
talking about how bad it is, butin the same breath, I also see
things about how bad you knowstreaming, when you play Spotify
, when you use Netflix, and howmuch power and resources it
takes to do that.
And I'm not trying to be like,oh, you know, if you care about
one thing, you know, like I'mjust kind of like I'm trying to
(58:11):
understand, I guess, more formyself, like what does that look
like?
I don't really know.
And I think if I'm really trulygoing to find out, like this is
not okay, then I would probablyshy away from it.
I'm just not at that point yetand I'm very open-minded to
learning.
Speaker 3 (58:29):
But I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
Aside from that part of it, I just agree that it
shouldn't just be certain peoplethat use things.
I think people who are here whotruly want to make this planet
a better place for everybodyliving here should also be able
to use tools to have that happen.
Um, and then your other pointjust reminds me of like um gosh,
(58:54):
what in this currentadministration, if all the good
guys leave because they can'tstand it, though, like the
kennedy center, what happens?
It's a whole other thing, right, but I think about that.
I'm like I understand why thesepeople are leaving because
they're making a stand and theycannot stay in this toxic
environment, but it's like itturns into like Twitter all over
again.
Speaker 1 (59:14):
Yeah, but then if everybody's leaving Twitter,
then there's also an opportunityto make something else.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
So is the Kennedy Center going to be something
else, one day better.
Speaker 1 (59:25):
I mean, at this point , in three months, we've
basically dismantled thefoundation of our country, like
if the Constitution isn't eventhe thing that everyone's
abiding by, then do we have acountry?
So, either way, all of uslistening, we're all talking to
you.
The best thing to do is to getquiet, learn to connect with
(59:47):
your soul, remember why you came, remember your power, because
we actively are buildingwhatever comes next, whether
it's quote, unquote, just athome, which I disagree with the
word just there but as parents,you're literally creating the
future of our world and country,now and also in the greater
(01:00:09):
community and the country andthe world at large.
Right, we have a big job to doand we can't afford to stay in
the feelings of it and the fearof it and the overwhelm.
Right, we just, we simply can't.
There's so much at stake.
Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
So this brings me to two things.
I agree with everything youjust said.
There is so much at stake hereand this is why I think when I
see people posting things likeresistance and joy, it's so easy
to get in the overwhelm andit's so restorative to ourselves
and we're able to find joy andglimmers to sustain us.
(01:00:46):
And I also think that we knowwe're here to do quote unquote
big things.
But it's not again, it's thingsare not what they seem.
So we measure everything bythree-dimensional worldly
standards when in reality it'sall about your energy.
(01:01:07):
Yes, you could do this grandthing with a poor intention
behind it, or do something thatis quote-unquote small and have
the greatest frequency andessence of love selfless, caring
, compassionate love behind that.
I believe that will move farmore in the fabric of a reality
and matrix andinterconnectedness than some big
(01:01:29):
thing that's for one personbeing selfish.
So my point is doing big thingsin the world does not mean you
do something that is New YorkTimes bestseller or something
that gets 5 million views.
Doing big things in the worldto me means you show up as
yourself and be you.
Because here's the thing that'sso funny about humans is that
(01:01:52):
we don't even see our own gifts.
We have no idea and you take itso for granted.
You think, like these things,that you just think everybody
does.
Believe me, they're not.
They are your very specialgifts and this is why you don't
even have to intellectualize itand try to figure out you.
Just going out as your mosthealed self, your whole self,
(01:02:14):
and being yourself, I think, isthe most impactful thing you can
do, which is by finding joy andconnecting to your soul, are
all a big part of this.
And then it brings me back tothe whole NDE discussion.
We've been talking because Isaw a piece of content yesterday
.
I thought of you, because thisguy, his son, passed away when
he was 18.
And he was saying at thefuneral home that day it was
(01:02:37):
like raining and icy and peoplewere waiting three hours to come
into the funeral home and payrespects to him and his wife.
And he said this elderlygentleman came in and said you
don't know me, but I knew yourson.
He came to play golf at thesame place I did and every time
he saw me he was the only onewho came up to me, said hi,
(01:02:59):
asked how I was doing and hadthis genuine connection with me
and you will never understandhow much that impacted me and
changed me.
And it reminded me of what wetalk about when it comes to
near-death experiences.
And we have our life review,because I listen to so much NDE
content, girl, and the oneconsistent thing that comes up
(01:03:21):
all the time is how, in the lifereview, you get to experience
how you impacted peoplepositively or negatively, and
the positive stuff isoverwhelmingly these really
small interactions that youwould not have even thought
twice about.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Oh my gosh, there's so much we can go into like the
butterfly effect of just likesimply being present in your
life or following that one hunchand saying the one word.
I mean all of this is thereason why I always keep coming
back to hope.
I'm so hopeful.
I'm so hopeful because evenhaving these conversations,
knowing that somebody islistening to these conversations
, it's just one more drop in thebucket of light with every
(01:04:00):
single revisit that we cancontribute.
So I'm just I'm grateful tohave these conversations and I'm
grateful that anyone islistening.
At this point we do have workto do, but it's not all just a
slog.
It's not all like healing workand all this stuff.
Like it can actually just be alearning to turn the volume up
on ourselves, to turn theawareness up on.
(01:04:23):
It's so big and so small at thesame time.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, it goes back to simplicity.
One of the things I've beentalking about with my spiritual
teacher for the last year hasbeen about really the
purification of the heart and itreally just comes down to love,
like true, unconditional love.
And it sounds so simple, yet toactually get to the point where
your heart has no ego and it isin zero point, right in the
middle of power and humility.
(01:04:51):
To be able to get to that pointand be that clear of a
container takes a lot of egowork and shadow work and over
and over again, and I feel likeI've been really striving to be
able to get to that point.
And it sounds so simple, yetit's taken me a lifetime to get
here.
Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Especially as a busy professional career mom who, as
we were just talking about, youknow with like the how many
nannies that you had to get, andthe big shoot day, and then the
sick kids, and then the trip tothe ER, and I mean how do you
just stay in that zero pointwith all of that?
Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Um, I don't exactly.
I'm human, I'm human.
So, yeah, I'm not there yet.
I mean, I'm, I feel it, but I'mhuman too.
Right, motherhood is awhirlwind and it is so
unpredictable, so it's alwaysknowing that I can go to it and
then step out of it again.
Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Yeah.
Yeah, I feel like we need togive ourselves a break.
At that point I saw a TikTokbecause of course, I did about
this exercise of deciding that,okay, I'm going to sit here and
I'm going to close my eyes andI'm going to draw to this moment
my future self at 80 years old,and my future self is now
(01:06:16):
sitting in this chair and when Iwake up, I'm going to be living
life through her eyes.
So how would I see everythingaround me?
Nothing's changed other than myperspective.
Now I'm my older self, wow,okay.
Yeah, I literally just did aTikTok of this yesterday and I
started looking around like, ohmy gosh, like my kids were
(01:06:38):
homesick today, but I still.
I still was here and we madeforts and we had snacks and we
made messes and we had fightsand we cleaned them up because
kids, right.
And then, at the same time,it's like when we had snacks and
my mom's upstairs I can hearher on the phone and if you're
sitting there as an 80-year-old,you haven't seen your mom in
years right, and just like theawareness of like, wow, this is
(01:07:02):
only just for right now and Ihave so much to do, and also
just being quiet in this onemoment is beautiful, even with
everything happening.
What a gift.
Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Yeah, I love those videos because I feel like what
it's doing is reminding peopleto take a completely different
perspective.
You're doing a huge perspectiveshift and in a very mindful
present way Because, like,really, I think, if you are in
the zero point and you areliving in sort of this avatar
(01:07:41):
energy that my teacher's beentalking about, you're like
Eckhart Tolle, so present, whereyou're eating a sandwich and
noticing every single thingabout it and most of us do not
have that level of attention andpresence.
You know, and it's like withyou know the way the world has
gone with media.
Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Really quickly.
I want to see.
I want to see Eckhart Tolle asa mom, like okay, eckhart Tolle,
sounds good, go be a mom now.
Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
I know right, but you know what's interesting though
is I bring?
them up, because you know whoelse talks to me about this?
It's dogs.
Every single dog session I'vehad it's so interesting is they
talk so much about being presentand mindful.
They notice and savor exactlywhat you just did and their
messages are always likereminding people of that.
(01:08:31):
Notice these things, notice howwhen you wake up in the morning
, the air is cold, but the sameair at the end of the day is
warm.
Isn't that magical?
Like things like that.
I'm just like that's whatyou're talking about, but from a
dog's point of view, and Ithink like if we could be that
present.
I think that a lot of that isalso being soul level, human.
Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Oh, totally I mean.
But to speak to dogs, though,like I feel like that's probably
why they don't live as long aswe do, cause imagine holding
that vibration for for thatamount of time.
That's a lot of work.
They're incredible.
I hate that they don't live aslong as we do.
Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I think it's so that we can have more honestly.
Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
More of them.
Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Because I think each dog we have oh I never thought
about that.
Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Yeah, let me blow your mind.
Maybe my dog will cross over tothe other side.
Who helped me grieve and learnhow to grieve after she died?
And I got to learn that for thefirst time.
Um, she taught me that everydog you have and I'm saying dog
in particular because I thinkdogs are christ consciousness.
They are pure, unconditionallove and they are here to help
(01:09:37):
human beings, connect to theirhearts and heal them.
They are heart healers.
And so we have multiple dogsbecause every dog we have comes
in that exact moment in yourlife when you need them for that
particular moment, because thatdog has specific things to help
you with in that moment in yourlife.
(01:09:58):
And then you grow and evolveand you get another dog and that
dog and you find each otheranother dog and that dog and you
find each other.
You think you're finding thedog, but the dog is also finding
you.
There's a match happening andyou can help them, but they're
also helping you and you'vechosen each other based on how
you these little like puzzlepieces.
So it's sad we can't have morethan one.
(01:10:19):
That is beautiful, but you havemany because you're always
changing and growing as a humanbeing that's a good way to end
this mic drop from maybe.
Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Well, damn girl, that's beautiful, hold on a
second.
You guys got me.
Oh, thank you, maybe, my sweetgirl, thank you, maybe.
All right, yeah, that feelslike a good place to end.
Thank you for hanging out withme, thanks, maybe oh, thank you,
I was gonna stay wherever youare, but obviously she's here,
so she's right here.
(01:10:55):
Sure, I love it.
I love it well, I love you somuch thank you so much, I'll
talk to you later bye, bye, yeah, bye.
Thank you for listening to SoulLevel Human.
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time and your voice makes adifference.
So until next time, remember toslow down, tune in, trust your
guidance and keep having theaudacity to choose the highest
timeline.
When you show up fully, yougive others permission to do the
same.
Make this the timeline whereyou show up.
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