Payton Dale on Soul Styling, Radical Visibility, and Not Judging a Book by Its Cover

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Next up on Soul Level , human.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
One of my first big girl clients was Charlie Pride.
He was like the big first blackmale country singer.
He was so sweet.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
He was an old man.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
At this point I was like 19, 20.
And I was hanging everything upand keep in mind, he could have
been a pro baseball player anddecided he wanted to do country
music instead, when, like this,was still segregated and then
excelled in it.
And I'm nervous.
It's my first big girl job.
It's being filmed, I'm gettingpaid for my first day, right?
So I'm hanging everything upand I hear in the background

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Virgo and I turn around and I goyes, and it's him.
Most people think, oh, whitegirls with my haircut are into
astrology and that's about it.
And he was like, yeah, firstweek of September.
And I was like how did you know?
He goes oh, you're talking likea Virgo vibe about you, I'm a
Pisces.
And he starts breaking thisstuff down and I was like so
people already thought like itwas weird, you're a baseball
player and weird that you're acountry singer, and now, like

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you're an astrologer.
I never look at someone andmake an assumption about them.
Now.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
You mentioned how it was a deliberate choice to start
hiding, and then it was adeliberate choice to start being
seen, and that is such aninteresting place to be because,
even with style, you can eitherfeel constrained by it or it
could be the keys to yourfreedom.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I loved this client so much and she kind of
disappeared for about six monthsand I emailed her a couple of
times just making sure you'reokay, like this isn't like you.
Did I do anything wrong?
And I didn't hear back from herand then she resurfaced and
said I've been diagnosed withcancer.
It is terminal.
I will be going to do deathwith dignity.
Will you help me pick out myoutfit?
And I was like you have todisassociate, you need to just

(01:36):
get through this for her.
The only time that fullyregistered with me was when I
hung up the call and I was likesee you on the other side, happy
trails.
And she was like thanks.
And I got the email that shepassed peacefully and she wore
the outfit.
And, um, when I hung up thecall, I was like you don't have
time to cry right now becauseyou have seven more people that

(01:59):
need you.
So once you've styled someonefor their ghost outfit, nothing
really bugs you anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
You didn't come here to play safe.
You came to remember your powerand build what comes next.
I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychicmedium and intuition coach, and
this is Soul Level Human, thepodcast for truth tellers, cycle
breakers and soul ledrevolutionaries.
You didn't come here to bypassthe chaos.
You came here to lead throughit.

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After last week's intense deepdive into shadow work, today's
episode is a bit of a palettecleanser, but make no mistake,
it still packs a punch.
If you've ever been told tostay away from politics,
religion, body image or race,you already know Soul Level

(02:49):
Human is a space where we runstraight towards the taboo
instead of running away.
Today I'm joined by Peyton Dale,a Nashville-based rock and roll
body neutral stylist who styledeveryone, from music legends to
postpartum moms to dominatrixes.
Peyton calls herself a soulstylist and if you've ever been
in class with me, you alreadyknow style is one of the first

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entry points I teach when itcomes to tuning into your own
intuition and reconnecting toand reclaiming your own energy.
When you're getting to knowyour own clear yes, clear no,
and what that feels like, soundslike, looks like for you.
Sometimes the quickest way kindof a backdoor hack to access
that is through what you put onyour body.

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Peyton has found a way to turnher own intuitive understanding
of humans into her life's workon set, on tour and now with an
expansive virtual community ofclients who want to feel like
themselves again, or maybe forthe first time.
Her work is fashion, yeah, butit's also deep healing.

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And listen, I'll be real.
Some of her takes activated myhuman a little bit.
Her activism might not looklike mine, but I also know that
her vibration, her presence, isdoing work in rooms that I
wouldn't necessarily have accessto or even feel safe in, and
you know what that matters.
So if you've ever felt likeyour body had to earn visibility

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or acceptance, or you're donedressing like you're in
spiritual witness protection,this episode is your invitation
to take up space and be fullyseen and felt on a soul level.
Let's get into it.
Peyton Dale, thank you forcoming on the show.
I'm so happy to have you.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
I've been around the block with stylists and fashion
and all of these things, but noteverybody comes at it with such
intention and I love that aboutyou, the fact that you have
soul styling.
First of all, I was like, oh,she's my people, click, follow.
So let's start off with tellingme a little bit about your

(05:02):
approach to styling and whatsoul styling is.
How long do we have?
We can hang out for a week.
I'll clear my schedule.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I had this conversation actually with my
hairstylist recently, myhairstylist Sadie.
She and I are both very woo woofolks and we kind of talked
about how.
This is a conversation I havewith my hairstylist previous her
who unfortunately moved awayand, like a lot of the people
that I have in my life that Ilike to use for my own personal
services in beauty and fashion,you get one of two people.

(05:31):
You either get healers who havelearned to heal themselves with
their modality or you have meangirls who they want to be the
center of attention.
So there's that stereotype ofthe mean girl hairstylist for a
reason, and you know, a lot ofmy clients are very emotionally
sensitive my musician clientsthat I work with in real life.
And there's a couple people inNashville that get thrown around

(05:52):
a lot and they're like I'mreally good at picking up on
them.
And stylists kind of approachthings in like a here's my

(06:13):
aesthetic, here's how I want youto look, or they go about it
from fixing something wherethere's something on you that I
perceive is wrong.
Therefore, I'm going to helpyou cover it up.
And a lot of mainstream styleadvice is like it is disembodied
it's you're an apple, you're apear Right Refrigerator and it's

(06:36):
like here's how to fix yourawful ugly shoulders and it's
like here's how to make yourbutt look smaller, and it's.
I just I never liked that.
I'm 14 years in recovery fromeating disorders, so I'm also
coming at it from.
I healed my relationship withmy body through style, so I
basically walk every singleperson, virtually and in my real
life, through that discovery oflike, figuring out their style
and embodying their truesthighest self, and clothes are

(06:57):
just part of that.
So that's how I kind ofapproach everything.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I love that so much.
I'm an intuition coach andactually I use style as one of
my ins.
I teach that from the beginning.
Intuition is our first language.
It's literally a clear yes anda clear no and as we go we color
in the gray in between.
And so much of our upbringingand society and all the
brainwashing we go through, weget deprogrammed out of that

(07:23):
like no, you need to dim yourlight and you need to be smaller
and you need to fit inside thisbox and just go sit on Santa's
lap.
You don't like it, you're, youknow you're being unreasonable,
you know.
So all of these ways that weget kind of, I don't know gaslit
into thinking that ourintuition is wrong, when
actually we're spot on the wholetime, and with fashion

(07:43):
specifically.
I have two kids, for example,and from the beginning I've
always just given them the spaceto be themselves, even if it's
not, like you know, the norm,like my son, for example.
He's five years old and he wentthrough a phase, like a good
year and a half long, where helikes to put shorts on top of
pants.
Okay, king, go ahead.

(08:05):
Baby, let's go If he loved.
He used to call it pants arelong, sleeve shorts.
Pants are long sleeve shorts,he's not wrong.
And so I'm like, yeah, go forit, that's awesome, but there's
so many families that would havebeen like, oh no, that's,
that's weird, don't do thatBecause I don't have children.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
But my grandmother passed away in September of last
year and with that, you know,kind of comes the cleaning out
of the stuff and my mom foundall of the these home movies
from, you know, pre me beingborn, all the way to like, maybe
, puberty, so that like awkward10, 11, 12.
And it is amazing how much ofmy attitude about fashion and

(08:45):
music and everything is kind ofcemented.
And it's funny because I'mwatching these home movies back
and it's like I wanted to wearmy hair on rollers all the time.
I wanted to wear my dress up, Iwanted to wear my mom's heels
there's so many videos I'm notspeaking yet, but I'm determined
to walk at my mom's heels.
My birthday gifts are all likefashion centric hey, you got me

(09:06):
the dress I wanted, but whatabout the shoes?

Speaker 1 (09:07):
I can't have my daughter would love you.
She's 10.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, I used to draw pictures of dresses on like
napkins or like kids menus orstuff like that.
So it's really, if you let yourkids kind of explore that it
probably works out in theirfavor.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Mm, hmm, 100%.
I mean, that's a narrative thatI've seen across the board,
like it's always there.
The little clues are alwaysthere.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
There's this kid that I'm following on Instagram
right now and I don't normallyfollow children, but he's like
an 18 month old drummer andthey've been kind of like I've
seen him.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I'm like that kid's gonna be so good when he's old
enough and it's not like anoutside in approach, where
they're like you must, you know,learn drumming.
It's like no, he just has it.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, and I come from my mom is very glamorous.
Still to this day it's veryglamorous and my mom is and was
a singer.
And you know, when I wasyounger I really wanted that
like the normal mom, you know,the one that like baked and
stayed home and like did things.
And now I'm like God, y'allmoms are boring.
Yeah, my mom's like, she'sliving her best life.

(10:14):
So it was always around me.
My mom kind of buck the systemand you know she wore things
that wouldn't have beenconsidered like a mom shouldn't
wear back then and still to thisday it's really helped me in my
ability.
We have very polar oppositestyles but just seeing her kind
of live herself veryauthentically and very like you

(10:35):
know this is who I am, take itor leave, it was really helpful
to get.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's huge.
Most of us don't get that, andif we do get that, we might get
a version of like okay, well,this is me and this is who
you're going to be too Like,since it's that strong.
It was fun.
That's awesome.
You mentioned that you had aneating disorder.
Would you mind talking aboutthat a little bit?

Speaker 2 (10:55):
So from I was all I'm five, nine and my mom's five,
three, and all the women in myfamily were very petite and tiny
and I think I just got all thelike Amazonian genes and I just
sucked everything up, so I spenta lot of my time comparing
myself to the people around me,and it was also the late
nineties, early 2000s.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
Like you didn't stand a chance there.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
As a person's fat, and she's a size four and you
know Nicole Richie's fat, she'sthe fat friend.
It was now looking back on itthrough my lens.
It's like, oh, every singleperson in the world, the ideal
body type was these thatrepresent 2% of the population,
and women were just.
I guess we're screwed.
But I didn't know that.
I just thought, oh, there'ssomething inherently wrong with

(11:39):
me.
I was also going through a lotof stuff personally from the age
of.
It started at nine and it wasfrom nine to 20.
So that's when that whole thingwas, and it was a cycle of
binging and purging anorexia,starvation, diets, slim fast,
weight watchers, but like in areally unhealthy way, and you

(12:00):
know just a lot of.
There was not a time where myweight wasn't the forefront of
my mind.
It was the number one thing thatI thought of all day, and throw
in puberty, acne, braces,glasses and unibrow and being
called Chewbacca in school, mylooks were always the first
thing that I thought of when Igot up in the morning.
When I went to bed at night, Iwould pray for the fat to melt

(12:21):
off of me in my sleep, likethere's so much.
That was ingrained societallybecause I grew up in the South,
so you know it was verytraditional in a lot of
instances, like women are onlyas good as they are pretty,
because if you're pretty you'llget the good husband that will
pay your bills and that's theonly way to survive and we don't
know any different.
And like everything was verylook centric and so I kind of

(12:42):
just gave up until I was about14 or 15.
And I was like, well, I'm just,I'm not going to wash my hair,
I'm not going to wear makeup,I'm just going to wear an
oversized hoodie and throw myhair up in a bun and wear my
glasses and just survive.
So I see in other people, whenI look at them, when it was a
choice, that what they're doingand when they're just surviving,

(13:02):
yeah.
So I started exploring my styleright around 14, 15, 16.
In secret, I used to tell peoplethat I was like a closet
fashion girl because I would goto school in my suburban high
school in the South and dress tohide and put on the 4X hoodie
and just keep it under wraps.
And then this was the era of myspace, dating myself and I got

(13:27):
into fashion Tumblr and Istarted like going in and
recreating all the outfits I sawon fashion Tumblr.
I loved like the sixties Tumblrblogs and I would like learn to
do the makeup and I would doall these things and I would
find the clothes and I wouldhide them in the back of my
closet and I had online friendsthat knew that I liked this
stuff, but I didn't have friendsin real life.
It was like Hannah Montana withlike a double life, and I did

(13:47):
that for two years until someonefrom school found my MySpace.
What was that feeling?
We were like what?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
are you doing?

Speaker 2 (13:53):
And I was like oh, I'm actually really interested
in 60s and 70s fashion and Ijust didn't think it would go
over really well here and theywere like but you have a lot of
friends on MySpace.
Because here and they were like, but you have a lot of friends
on MySpace Cause.
Remember that was back whenlike follow and it's funny I
still have one of those girlsfrom MySpace is still like a
really close friend oh.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I love that so much.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Becky has been my friend since I was 14.
Love you, becky.
We met on a Beatles MySpacegroup.
Oh, I love that.
It was like you're so cool,like you're so cool.
So I had all these friends thatexisted on the internet, which
I think translates a little bitinto like how I function now as
someone on TikTok.
I came out of the fashioncloset on my 16th birthday and I

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wore exactly what I wanted towear to school and when you live
in the suburb that I grew upand we all know each other, your
parents had together, like I'msome people and it's like a
third generation familyfriendship where I'm like I'm
pretty sure this is arranged.
So people knew me for a verylong time as a certain way.
And then on my 16th birthday Irolled up in a vintage mini

(14:55):
dress and knee high boots and Ihad the haircut and I like
didn't wear it pulled back and Idid the makeup and I went to
school and I got dress code.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, that's just rude to get it from the adults.
That's mean.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
My high school principal, ms Worsham.
She said that I had the recordof most dress code violations in
my high school for like adecade.
And she's like your skirt's tooshort, we can see too many
things, and blah, blah, blah.
So she sent me home and I waslike it felt better to show up
as myself and to get sent homefor it than it did to hide.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Could you have held that, though, without the two
years of secret experimentation?
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
That's why I think that those teenage years are so
formative to our development asto what we like, what we don't
like, to our development as towhat we like, what we don't like
.
You're getting peer reviewedstuff immediately.
Then you decide how importantis, how important is your peers
and their thoughts about you inthe grand scheme of your style.
Some people it's reallyimportant.

(15:56):
Some people it's not even intheir hierarchy of needs.
You know it's really important.
And the other thing too is we'renot really working unless it's
later on in high school.
So you don't have to follow awork dress code.
You can kind of experiment withwhat you like and what you
don't like and you know it'severything from that to what
kind of friends you want andwhat is your work ethic like and
what are some of your hopes anddreams.

(16:16):
Your style was just a part ofthat for me.
So from my junior year throughmy senior year I just fully
owned it and embodied it and Ihad hits and I had misses and I
was like I would rather be madefun of for what I am because I
know I've got real friends outthere, support system at home,
versus show up and just hideevery day yeah and um so petty.

(16:39):
It's not very like you know loveand light of me, but the
spirituality is so much morethan that.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
First of all, I try to live my life and not be a
dick, and I try to go into iteveryone not very like you know
love and light of me, but thespirituality is so much more
than that.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
First of all, I try to live my life and not be a
dick and I try to go into it.
Everyone deserves love andeveryone evolves and blah, blah,
blah.
But 16 year old me got a nicejab back at them.
It was one of I think it waseither my 10 or my 15 year
reunion.
Facebook popped up and someonethat was a massive bully to me
started the group.
I was gonna be fine, telleveryone what you're doing now.

(17:10):
And I go hey, remember how youall made fun of me in high
school for what I was wearingthat concert you went to, I
dressed that person and I styledthe picture your merch that
you're wearing right now.
So vindicationication it wasgood, it was my like remember
that.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Yeah, I fully support like relishing in those moments
because they don't come oftenand when they do I feel like
that's the universe, just likelanding a little bit of yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I um, I've been fortunate for karma to give me a
front row many times, so here'skarma.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Cheers Karma.
What a journey, man, but what away to take back your power,
because even in the decision tobe in the hiding, like the
intentional hiding what apowerful choice.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
It was, and that time period of my life specifically
like 14 and on, parents divorced, you know biological parents
divorced, rough divorce.
Dad remarried you know thetried and true, evil stepmom,
and then my mom got cancer.
Oh, no, and there's somethingthat she's great.
Now she's 20 years in remission, but there is something about

(18:14):
seeing your mom bald and sickand not knowing if she's going
to make it.
That does something to youwhere you're like oh, I only get
to do this once, so I make themost of it.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
And.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm too.
It made me put a lot of thingsthat I probably should on the
back burner, like homework.
But I mean in the grand schemeof things, I was like I'm going
to audition for everything, I'mgoing to learn to play the drums
, I'm going to be myself andit's going to be great.
And there's just somethingabout that Having your mom be in
not quite a near-deathexperience, but seeing the

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person that's supposed to takecare of you be weak and
vulnerable.
It rearranges everything and itmade me really feel comfortable
taking the risk.
I did feel bad because she wasgoing through chemo.
When I got sent home I was likesorry, all that.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I'm sent home from school 20 years in remission and
she still kind of lives herlife that way and I try to do
the same thing.
Yeah, that's really incredible.
I feel like so many people getthe opportunity or the
invitation to see life from thatlens like, okay, here's, here's
what this whole thing is reallyabout, here's what this whole

(19:24):
thing could be.
Are here's what this wholething could be?
Are you going to take it andthat's really cool that you did
and then you're paying itforward in so many ways?
Now, that's so incredible.
Um, you mentioned on your ticktock that you started first
creating content in COVID.
Uh huh, talk to me about thepublic service that that was.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
So full disclosure.
Covid the first.
So I'm married to a full-timemusician.
Parents are in the musicbusiness, All my friends are in
the music business.
I'm based in Nashville and theway that my industry tends to
work from like the musicianstyling side of things is I'll
get I'll start getting textsright around March of all of my

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musician clients.
Hey, we're doing this photoshoot this day, this music video
this day, and then I'm jugglingall them and their creative
teams and like all this stuff.
So I had my year.
Like six months was alreadyplanned out in March of 2020.
Then we're about being inNashville.
March 1st we had a tornado comethrough and destroy half of
Nashville.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Most of East Nashville was destroyed and
that's where a lot of thecreatives live.
So a lot of recording studiosand photography places and like
homes and small businesses andvenues flattened.
My friend's store flattened,never opened back up.
The community was alreadyhurting in a creative spec like
way.
It's not like they blew up allthe you know, didn't blow up all

(20:49):
the tourist stuff, but like itblew up where real people like
live and work I'm not sayingthat we should blow up tourists,
but like it's just a differentexperience so a lot of the
smaller people that makenashville great is were hurt by
it.
So, um, I actually had to fly toLA to do this photo shoot
because the photography studiogot blown away in the tornado

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and we like had to do somethingand we needed a deadline.
And the photographer's likeI've got this place out here.
So I'm in LA and I get all likemy phone starts going off and
it's always people saying likeoh, we're going to be locked
down for two weeks and I'm likeso this is mid March, byarch by
now mid.
Yeah, this is March.
I think it was March, it was.
It was pre.
We shut down on the 14th.
I must have been like the 12thand I'm like deadlines are not

(21:32):
going to wait for me.
The music business does notwait for anybody like.
I was raised by a musician whowas raised by a manager.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
We just don't do that right, we work on holidays, you
make it happen, like whatever.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
So was like there's no way they can shut down after
the entire like half the city'sgone.
So imagine my surprise when Iget home and my husband was here
and he just kind of looked likehe had seen a ghost and he was
like I just lost the entire tourthat I was going to do.
And it wasn't even like oh,we're pushing the tour back two
weeks, there's no way that wecan make up the income with the

(22:06):
two weeks lost.
And like that's how tours work.
And we're like, oh, that wasgoing to be a big tour.
And he's like, yeah, butbecause it was going overseas,
like so we're going OK, what arewe going to do without that
money?
And then let's figure it out.
And then in the I remember Igot home like that afternoon and

(22:29):
in two hours.
we had lost our entire incomefor the year, oh my God.
So I was like, oh what?

Speaker 1 (22:35):
are we going to do?

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, and you know my stepdad is elderly.
No one knew what was going onat that point, you know.
So I did the whole like sit inyour pajamas and watch tiger
King and just go.
I don't know what we're goingto do.
Like we're going to, we aregoing to max out our credit
cards.
We're going to, like, lose oursavings.
Like what can we do?
Cause no one knew what thefuture of the entertainment

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industry looked like.
And that's all I was doing atthe time.
And there was someone in my lifeat the time who's no longer in
my life, which is interestingwho said why don't you join
TikTok?
And I go what do you mean?
Like that dancing app?
Or like all the teenagers andcrafters.
She's like no, people are likethey're doing helpful content
over there, people are loving itand they're all sitting at home

(23:18):
right now.
So I was like, okay, well,maybe I can do something outside
myself and it will keep me busy, and I also love online
communities, so kind of perfect.
So I didn't know what I wasdoing and I started showing up
and I just reminded people everysingle day if you woke up today
, put on real pants, becauseit's going to be helpful, it's
going to keep your mental healthsane.

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It's going to keep you like,moving and grooving.
And people will then be like,well, I don't like pants.
And then I'm thinking, oh, whydon't you like pants?
Oh, tell me more.
I style people all day long,like, let me help you.
So I started helping people findclothes.
They would write to me hey,where do I find this?
Oh, here's my favorite thing.
Blah, blah, blah.
And then someone goes do you dothis one-on-one?
And I had done it previouslyfor musicians and like a

(24:00):
marketing branding standpoint.
And I realized like, oh, Icould take the same approach and
use it on regular people.
Yeah, a couple of things.
Oh, instead of like, where allyour tour dates, let's look at
you know, climate and that kindof thing.
What does a normal week looklike in your life?
Let me build you an outfit forevery part of it.
It's the same thing, causemusicians are just regular

(24:20):
people with weird jobs.
Yup, so I started doing it andyou know, I started off with 10
clients that were doing it, andnow it's been five years of me
offering soul styling as anoption for people and I've got
clients on every singlecontinent except Antarctica.
So far, yeah so far.
But it's been really amazingbecause I've got clients that

(24:44):
have been with me for the fiveyears where we just keep it up
and like these are my friendsnow and we talk almost every day
, and that turned into a patreonwhere, like, I have a group
chat of people that I talk toevery single day.
It's going back to me feelingreally comfortable in online
communities because I feel likethe same way that people say oh,
you feel comfortable hidingbehind a screen, like doing hate
comments.
It's the same thing, too, withlove.
It's easier to give love tosomeone that you're not going to

(25:07):
see on a regular basis, or it'seasier to give love to someone
that you know is going throughit and you don't necessarily
know all their background.
Like it's just so much easierfor me to sit here and like I'm
never lonely because I've got200,000 friends here you know,
80 people in my group chat.
Like I'm always solvingsomeone's problem.
I always feel useful to people.
And it blew up like it got mein the Wall Street Journal and

(25:31):
the Daily Mail on Yahoo.
Like the New York Timesmentioned me in something and I
was like this is insane, becauseI just think was thinking about
how depressed I was.
I'm never going to work again.
And now I'm working all thetime.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, your audience just got bigger.
I mean, you were in onecategory and now all of a sudden
it's literally everybody.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
A lot of people are like, well, you dress
celebrities and it's stupid forme to, you know, need to have
someone to help me get dressed.
I'm like, okay, cool, that'sgood enough for insert.
Whoever here it's good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah, really cool.
I just love because lookingback, you can always see oh well
, that makes sense, likeeverything makes sense 2020.
Right, looking back, but whenyou're in it you're just like
the fuck, 2020 changed me in somany ways.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Like I, I dived a lot deeper into, like my spiritual
gifts and my spiritual journey,and I knew that I always I knew
that I was weird.
Yes, and because of TikTok, Istarted getting all these things
like, hey, do you think you'reneurodivergent?
And I'm like, no, everyone doesthat, isn't that normal?
It turns out called out becauseof that, I feel like I'm really

(26:43):
good with pattern recognition.
I feel like I'm really goodwith pattern recognition.
I feel like I'm really goodwith being able to empathize
with people and being able tokind of like help people fit in
a little bit more.
I think it also might be whyI'm pretty good at building
community, because I know whatit feels like to be othered and
I learned that I wasneurodivergent.
I knew that I was spiritual butI got really into transitive
meditation and my journaling andmy Oracle cards.

(27:05):
It was always in there.
I just came out of the closetwith it.
I was really cool.
So I've always had someconnection to like a higher
power that just wasn't asidefrom Jesus Christ.
Superstar Like that neverreally resonated with me that
much.
I tell people that I feel thesame way about Jesus.
I do the grateful dad Like themessage is great.
The fans turn me off a littlebit.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Um.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
I love the vibe but the fans really really.
Yeah, totally.
But you know, I work inNashville so I I'm dealing with
people on a regular basis whodon't think like me, who don't.
It's not and people just assumethat like, oh, you're in
Tennessee, so everyone must be aChristian redneck and they
almost feel no.
My client roster of like mypeople in person 18 to literally

(27:56):
85, I just all differentpolitical backgrounds and
religious beliefs and likeupbringings and approaches on
spirituality and when you areopen to it you learn how
everyone sees the world.
It's always different and Ijust kind of like absorb all of
that and it makes me feel like Ijust think people are so

(28:17):
interesting that I'm glad thatmy job allows me to see that.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, it's like you get the opportunity to fall in
love with people one on one whenyou're able to see them in such
an intimate atmosphere.
I mean, you're literallyhelping them find things to put
on their naked body, helpingthem feel comfortable and safe
in that experience, becauseyou're holding the container
intentionally in that way.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
It's funny I was.
I was talking to one of my inperson girls and the first
fitting I ever did with her shewas like I'm really struggling
with my body image and blah,blah, blah.
And I was like, girl, I've hadan eating disorder, I've got
stretch marks.
I got you.
And then she was trying on apair of jeans and I go, oh, I
think you might like the ones Ihave on better.
And I took my jeans off andhanded them to her and she
looked at me like I had threeheads.

(28:59):
I was like you're underwear.
And she goes yeah, but isn'tthat weird for you?
I go no, no, she goes you dofit better.
I'm like I know that's my job,yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Welcome.
I love that, peyton.
You're my people.
I'm so happy to find you onhere.
That's so cool.
Okay, where do I want to gowith this next?
Let's go into how spiritualityhas always been a through line,
but you didn't have quite thespace or the intentionality
behind it until COVID.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I think because I finally had the time to be still
with myself.
The other thing too is like inChristianity a lot of times I
see there tends to be anovercorrection of like the
raised vacation Bible school,the details, some of those songs
still slap.
I'll stand by it.
Vacation Bible school tostaunch atheist that pendulum

(29:56):
swings really easy and I kind offell into that like staunch
atheism during high school,middle school and high school
and I would always kind of swingback around to like this
doesn't feel right, but alsowhat I'm being told doesn't feel
right and I was like, well, Iguess if I'm not a Christian I
must be an atheist.
So when I turned 18, this I haveno idea why they didn't realize
I was a neurodivergent.

(30:17):
Sooner, when I turned 15, I waslike I'm going to read every
religious text and see which oneworks for me the most.
None of these do.
What am I doing?
What's happening?
If these are the options, Idon't resonate with any of them.

(30:38):
So I went to temples.
I went to, I went so manyplaces and I was like maybe I'll
find it here, maybe I'll findthe kingdom of God here or
whatever that is to you, and butI've always had a really good
intuition and my mom my mom'sbasically a psychic, but my mom,
told me I'm going to marry myhusband.
My mom told my sister she wasgoing to marry her husband.
My mom told me how almost everysingle friendship I ever had
would end and why, before it did, she told me about jobs that I

(31:01):
was going to get like she's veryin tune and I always had that.
But I would, you know, oh, it'sstupid, that's dumb.
So, oh, I think that friendisn't really your friend.
Oh, that's dumb.
Of course they're your friend.
So right around 2020, 21, thatis when I started listening to
myself and I would write it down.
I was like am I going?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'm not going to gaslight myself.
So that was wild.
We just had an entire firealarm here Cause, uh, my candle
was going a little crazy, but uh, we're alive, we're good, life
is good.
Yeah, anywho, the hell were wetalking about?

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Uh, covid, and how my spirituality changed on that.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yes, please continue.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Um, I got onto witch talk, which I think that a lot
of people did.
I was like man, they're likeyou got diagnosed with ADHD, you
must be a witch.
And I was like, oh, this isinteresting, let me just keep
scrolling through that and a lotof it didn't resonate with me

(32:01):
and like a lot of it did.
But I was like, oh, the thingsthat I have been doing my whole
life.
There's already a name for it.
So the like setting yourintention at the first of every
month, um, I have a gratitudebowl, I have a gratitude journal
, I light candles when I wantsomething.
I'm not like, I wasn't likecarving sigils and like doing
salt rings around them.
I have collected rocks since Iwas two.

(32:25):
Um, that obviously like movedinto crystals.
It's actually really funny.
Um, my grandfather, who was thislike big Southern dude, uh, who
was a manager for a bunch ofcountry artists back in the
seventies.
So picture, like polyester,pinky ring, like yeah, the whole
thing, and and I would collectthese rocks as like two and

(32:46):
three, two and three years oldand I would say, oh, this is my
new baby and I would carry therock around with me.
And he had a big truck.
And one day my grandmother gotinto the truck and started
cleaning out his car and he goesdon't do that, those are
Peyton's babies.
So I just went to see where heand my grandmother were buried
and I left him a crystal.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I love that.
So I've been, I've been doingit, I've been doing these things
that people on witch talk werelike oh, this is a ritual, not
knowing it my entire life.
So, um, you know, I want to letgo of things.
I'll write them down, set themon fire, Like I didn't realize
this was what it was called andI still don't necessarily

(33:29):
resonate with the term.
Like I don't like to put labelson like pagan or Wiccan or like
any of this stuff.
I've been told that I'm justspiritually very spongy.
I want to have online friends,who is like a medium, like
you're very spiritually spongy,like people can pick up on that,
like, oh, should I like closemy spiritual sponge holes.
Like what should I be doinghere?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
What did you land on?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Basically, she's like some people just are more
sensitive to it, they're more intune with it, they pick up on
it.
But it's funny because I've hadmoments where I'm like I really
feel like not at ease with thisperson.
I'm like I really feel like notat ease with this person.
What does that mean?
And then I was like, oh, you'recrazy.
And it turns out it was justlike, whatever frequency I was
on, they were not on and it wascreating Just not a match.

(34:12):
Yeah, so it's just, it's beenthere constantly and it wasn't
until right around then that Istarted going, oh, like I could
actually tune into this andactually use it to my advantage.
So now I can use it not usingit like I'm not a psychic, I'm
not going to win the lottery,but it's like, oh, I can feel
what people are feeling.
I can look and see wheresomeone's at on their journey

(34:35):
and see how I would like forthem to progress and if they
want to come with me, that'sreally cool.
And I can help peoplefacilitate what that looks like
and meet them where they're at.
So that's what I do is I alwaystell people I'm not here to
judge, I'm here to facilitate.
So if you want to go out andyou want to wear something
really crazy and I feel likeit's genuine to you and it

(34:55):
connects to you, I'll be like,all right, I'll make you like
angel wings and I'll make youthese things if it's
situationally appropriate and Ifeel like you know it works for
whatever we're doing.
And the other thing, too, islike I tell people all the time
like I'm here to dress your meatsuit.
Yeah, like it's not that deepbut it is so I've used it.
I just feel more integratedthese days with it.

(35:17):
I don't really have a name forit, I just feel more integrated
and I feel like every singleperson on earth is a spiritual
being having a human experience.
And the ones that fight it arethe ones that I struggle with
the most, where it's like do yourealize that we're on a rock
floating through space?
Yes, let's zoom out a littlebit.
Zoom out.
Yeah, I think that goes backfrom the, the stuff from

(35:40):
childhood, like once you've seencertain things, you can't unsee
them.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah, and since then I've been like oh no, it's not
that serious, like you'rethinking about this too much.
That's so interesting that yousay, oh no, it's not that
serious and also, in the samebreath, well, actually it is
like it's so interesting to holdthose complete opposite ideas
at the same time, because, yeah,both are true.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Well, I was actually talking to my Pilates teacher
this morning about this and wewere talking about, like you
know, I helped her get dressedfor her wedding, like I helped
her pick out clothes and I doall these things, and we were
talking about I spoke at thisretreat recently and there were
I think there were six womenthere and one of them just
wasn't having it, and I thinkthat I'm like a pretty, I think

(36:24):
that I'm pretty open and I thinkthat I'm pretty easy to talk to
and I am, for the most part,nonjudgmental, discerning but
not judgmental.
And this woman was like well, Ijust feel like I'm above the
entire fashion industry becauseI think that it is a
multi-billion dollar industrybuilt on insecurities and blah,
blah, blah.
And I felt like that moment inthe devil wears Prada, where

(36:46):
Meryl Streep tells Anne Hathawaythat no one is above it,
because it's us.
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah and thesweater, just picked up that
lovely blue sweater, but inreality it's billions of dollars
, it's all these jobs.
And so I was talking to myteacher about it and I was like
yeah, and I had to tell her likeokay, you're wearing a linen
set.
Someone had to grow it, harvestit, process it, so you've got

(37:07):
all those people's energies onit.
And then someone had to make apattern, someone has to design
it, and then that was a smallbusiness that you bought it from
, that fed that woman's familyLike you're, no one's a mean
friend unless you're a nudist.
So it's the only form of artreally legally have to operate
with.
Well, that's interesting.
You know, you don't have to buyart.

(37:32):
You don't have like visual art.
You don't have to listen tomusic if you're like really
boring, you don't have to watchmovies.
You don't have to paint yourwalls, you don't have to do any
of that, but you have to wearclothes or you get arrested.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
That is so true.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I think that a lot of people feel annoyed by that.
They feel like it's someonetelling them what to do and how
to function and how to be, butalso you have to interact with
it, so why not make the most ofit?
I love that when people arelike well, I think it's dumb,
like okay, we can still see you,so do you want?

Speaker 1 (37:58):
to look cool or do you want to look lame?
Well, that is so interestingthat you're saying that,
actually, because you mentionedhow it was a deliberate choice
to start hiding and then it wasa deliberate choice to start
being seen.
And that is such an interestingplace to be because, even with
style, it's like you can eitherfeel constrained by it or it
could be the keys to yourfreedom.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, I tell my clients it's choosing your heart
.
So a lot of people come to tome and they're like, well, it's
just easier to wear sweatpantsall day long because everyone
else wears sweatpants and I go.
But do you feel comfortable inyour sweatpants?
I joke that most of us walkaround in society, at least in
America, looking like we'remembers of heaven's gate.
Why is everyone in blackathleisure set all the time?

(38:40):
Did you drink the Kool-Aid?
I mean, that's a different cult, but still yes.
And it's in us as like animalsto blend into our surroundings
so we don't get called out toomuch because our brain registers
being called out.
I'm like, oh, who does shethink she is?
She's so dressed up as likebeing chased by a wildebeest
Same fight or flight.
So it was harder for me at thatmoment to stop being myself

(39:06):
than it was to continue hiding.
But it depends.
Like some people might not beable to choose, like choose what
they want to wear.
They might be in a situationwhere they have a work uniform
or they're religious thingsaround it or it's not safe for
them to express themselves.
So it's I say they're morallyneutral.
You just have to pick which oneyou want.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Rather walk out of the house feeling like myself
and I'm not going out of my wayto make people uncomfortable.
Everything I wear issituationally appropriate, like
my butt cheeks aren't out, butit's like.
This is how I want to feel andif it makes you uncomfortable,
if it stirs something up in you,maybe let's examine that.
So people that go why are youso dressed up?
I'm like why aren't you?
What's a special occasion?

(39:51):
It's a day that ends in Y.
Yeah, you know like life's aspecial occasion.
It's our years isn't, but mineis.
So it brings out your style as amirror to the outside world,
what they're doing and whatthey're not doing.
And it's interesting because Ifeel like, like, for instance,
when the Met Gala happened,everyone has their own opinion
on like who they liked and whatthey don't like.
And when you look at critiquesof something like that and you

(40:12):
have kind of a differentconnection to people and to the
world, you'll see that they'relooking at it through their own
lens.
So someone will be like oh myGod, sabrina Carpenter did such
like, she wore such a goodoutfit.
And you're like no, you're justa super fan of her.
It wasn't on theme.
And it's like oh, so and solooked awful Like oh, I just saw
on your page that you have likefive hate videos about this guy

(40:32):
.
It's funny because you startlooking at how other people view
you through how they viewthemselves and then celebrities.
It's really funny.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, I mean, style is just the one category that
you're examining in that moment.
I mean, everything is a mirror,exactly right.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Every single thing in life your relationships, your
clothes, what you like, what youdon't like.
It's all a mirror and it's allsomething you can learn from.
And it's like I tell peoplethis all the time that if you
really have an objection tosomething and it's not
resonating with you, fantastic.
But if you feel the need to goout of your way and cut
something down that issituationally appropriate for
somebody else and makes themfeel really good, I'm not going

(41:10):
to cut sporty spice down forwearing athleisure literally in
her name, but, like the womanthat I know has really good
taste and really enjoys fashion,I'm going to be like what are
we doing?
What are we doing?
We can do better.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, exactly Exactly .
Let's go into the full woo.
Have you had any moments whereyou're like having dreams or
having like premonitions or agut feeling about something and
you didn't listen to it or youdid anything like that?
Spooky things, whatever.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
I don't know if I can talk about this one.
Let me think if I could.
There's one that recently sitwith it, it's all good.
There's one that recently justhappened and, uh, I don't know
if I want to go into full detailabout it.
Fair, I'm trying to think ofhow to go about it in a way that
is going to be fair and kind toeveryone involved.
I make a point on social mediato not get political at all.

(42:12):
I call it the Dolly Partonapproach.
That's how she handles things.
She lets her actions speak forherself.
I'm also like very old schoolmusic business family.
The fact that I'm doing thispodcast is going to be like Ooh
money, religion, politics yeah,I was raised that way.
I don't know how my parents vote.
I also know like I don't and Idon't know how my grandparents

(42:34):
voted and we, we keep it likethat, like these are and these
are my parents.
So it's just ingrained in me tonot do that.
And I feel like when somethinghappens, everyone feels the
pressure to talk about it.
I don't want to know what JojoSiwa thinks about like war, you
know?
Like dance, like you're reallygood at dancing, and selling

(42:55):
hair bows like great for you.
Um, so I had a client who, uh, Iwanted to love on her so bad.
I was with her for years andyears and she was deeply in like
the trenches of her eatingdisorder.
And when I see someone in pain,I want to love on them and I
want to take care of them, butshe just wouldn't let me in,

(43:17):
wouldn't let me in, and I'm like, okay, you're not there yet,
you're not there yet.
And when I see people on eitherside of the spectrum turn every
single thing that they'reposting about into politics, and
angry politics, like, like,truly angry, where it's like
multiple Instagram stories a day, where you just kind of start
skipping over them, cause you'relike, clearly, when I see

(43:37):
people like that on either end Igo there's something in you
that you're not addressing andyou feel better, like pushing it
outward.
Felt like me when Wicked cameout.
It's all I could talk about.
I was real excited but I waslike, oh, people are bored, we
need to move on.
So this person really pressuredme, really pressured me to.

(43:57):
She was like I don't want tohave someone on my team that is
not publicly speaking out aboutPalestine and Israel and I was
like girl, I love you.
I'm a hillbilly from Tennessee,I feel government, I feel
geography, you don't want mecommenting on anything like that
Also, just not what I've everdone, ever.

(44:19):
And I said I love you, I supportyou doing whatever you're going
to do.
And she was like, okay, but Idon't feel safe with you on my
team anymore because I wouldn'tpost publicly.
And I was like I hear you, Iunderstand that's your journey
and this is mine.
And we ended up workingtogether again.
And you know, like I mentioned,I'm in Nashville, so I'm
surrounded by all these peoplewho don't think like me or who

(44:41):
worship differently or votedifferently or whatever like me,
or who think you worshipdifferently or vote differently
or whatever.
And, um, she, I styled someonefor an opry you know the grand
ole opry, like the coolest thingin country music ever, it's 100
years old and found out therewas an artist who was
notoriously right wing, that wasa guest of somebody there, and
fired me because she thought wewere chumming it up.

(45:02):
And she, she was like I can'tbelieve that you would hang out
with someone like this.
I'm like I really wasn't, I'mjust in the same room.
But I realized that like therehad been and for the four,
almost five years there had beenlike I just couldn't get in.
I just couldn't get in and,like I said, I've got clients
from all different walks of lifeand I've been able to get in
there and I come at things fromeveryone is, you know, going

(45:27):
through life through their ownlens, and she just wouldn't,
wouldn't have it.
And I think that, ultimately,if you ever have read the
Courage to Be Disliked, which islike one of my favorite books
of all time.
She really got as much attentionfrom complaining about her body
than she did actually workingon her body image and I gave her
all the tools and I gave herall the podcasts and I like cut

(45:47):
the tags out of all of herclothes and she would complain
more about her body and likepublicly, like, publicly, like,
oh, I'm so fat here.
Well, I look fat in this musicvideo.
My stylist put me in this andmade me look like it was just no
accountability for herself orher choices or actions and like
wanting to pop potato herfeelings on it.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Totally yeah, that's what I call it too.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
And I was like when that happened, I felt relief.
I was like it's been five yearsof me just trying to love on
her and it was like I couldn'tdo it anymore because I always
felt like I was dragging someoneuphill.
And the fact is like when Iwork with someone, I ask them
about their style boundaries allthe time.
What do you feel comfortableshowing?
What do you not feelcomfortable showing?

(46:27):
Um, I won't leave the house inleggings if I'm not working out.
Um, you know, like there's somany things that I have and I
always respect their boundaries.
I don't have to necessarilyagree with them the fact that I
had been modeling this behaviorto her for years and years and
she just wasn't having it.
I was like, oh, you never were.
My people got it understood.

(46:47):
Yeah, you'll see a lot ofstylists that only work with
someone of, like, a certainpolitical background.
They're only work with someoneout of a certain religious
background, and my, that's justnot how I like to operate.
Everyone is going through lifethrough their own lens and I
think everyone needs to be lovedon, regardless of if I agree

(47:08):
with you or not.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
I think it takes a really special kind of person to
be able to hold that yeah kindof person to be able to hold
that yeah, because not everybodyhas like the bandwidth or the
emotional safety or physicalsafety, even you know, to be
able to go into spaces like thatand be able to hold that.
And I think you, knowing thatand operating in integrity with

(47:33):
that and measuring, you know,case by case basis, what you're
exactly able to offer to anygiven situation.
I think you could do so muchgood there.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
It's so funny because I tell people when they're like
well, could you ever style me?
And I looked at my, my bookingfor one day and I like all my
soul study virtual clients.
I had a dominatrix, I had apriest.
I had someone who was a Mormon.
That were the garments.
And I had a dominatrix, I had apriest.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
I had someone who was a Mormon that wore the garments
.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
And I had a politician.
I still don't know which sideof the aisle she was on, but she
just had three kids and waspostpartum and none of her
clothes fit her.
Oh great, let me help you, letme love on you, let me figure
out how this needs to go.
And none of those women theyall knew about each other.
They all friends and it's likemy connection to those women
goes way deeper than you knowwhat.

(48:21):
I learned a lot from a lot ofthem about different people and
their backgrounds and I think byworking with so many different
types of people musicians and myand my virtual clients it's
given me so much more empathyfor other humans because I can
see, like how every singleperson kind of their villain
origin story and how they gotthere, and I just go oh well,

(48:42):
we're just.
We're just having two differentexperiences, but I can
definitely help you with thestyle part of it, because
there's so many things that arelike we all have someone that's
the voice in our head.
We all have someone that hasmade us not feel very good.
We all are measuring ourselvesto the beauty standard that we
all have collectively, which iscompletely unattainable, and
then we're all struggling withclothes post COVID.
I can help everybody, let meand I'm here to judge someone's

(49:08):
morality, I'm here to just getthem dressed.
That's on them.
They have to look at themselvesin the mirror at night on them.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
They have to look at themselves in the mirror at
night.
That's true.
That is true, yeah.
So with everything that youknow about so many different
kinds of people and everythingthat you have to get through on
a daily basis, if you're holdingthat space for everybody, where
does that leave you?

Speaker 2 (49:33):
It's interesting because there are certain
clients that I love and thatwhen I'm interacting with them,
I feel like they're feeding meas much as I'm feeding them, and
I can do an 18 hour day on set,or I can do like a 12 hour day
of like back-to-back zooms andI'm like where are we going?
Let's go out, let's do this,let's do that.
And there are some people thatcan completely deplete me of all

(49:54):
my energy, and I've noticedit's the ones like that person,
where it's like I'm giving youeverything, like come on, let's
do it.
And it's like it'll be a clientthat's like I have a closet
clean out process.
Well, I don't want to do it.
You hire me?

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yeah, help me help you.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, I can't.
I'm like I can't slap it intoyou, Like I'm so sorry I can't
hold you down and force you todo your job.
There's that was an expressionthat I am trying to get better
about not using, as I wish Icould hold people down and do
their job, but it's usually.
It's very fulfilling, and Ithink I've had my worst day at
work and it was someone else'slike really worst day.

(50:42):
And I've told the story a coupleof times, but I styled someone
for their last day on earth.
Tell me this one, please.
Yeah, I'm not going to name hername in case her family doesn't
want me out, but I worked withthis woman for about.
She had a package for aboutthree years with me, so we
started in 2020 and this was2023.
Um, and normally I have twoversions of the soul standing
package kind of like threesessions and that goes through
the whole process and then Ihave unlimited, and those people
work with me on an unlimitedbasis throughout a year so they

(51:04):
can book as many sessions asthey want, and a lot of my
people will book me once a weekand we'll plan out their outfits
for the week and I've alreadystocked their closet.
So it's pretty easy and itdoesn't always take the full
hour and I loved this client somuch.
We would sit and chat after.
You know it would take us 20minutes to do a wardrobe and I'm
like, how was that date?
What's going on here?
Blah, blah, blah.
And she kind of disappeared forabout six months and I checked,

(51:25):
I emailed her a couple of times.
I'm like just making sureyou're okay, like this isn't
like you.
Did I do anything wrong and Ididn't hear back from her.
And and then she resurfaced andsaid I've been diagnosed with
cancer.
It is terminal.
I will be going to do deathwith dignity.
Will you help me pick out myoutfit?
And this was like a 10 amWednesday.
She was my first call, a day Ihad no, oh my gosh, I was raw

(51:47):
dogging this.
And I was like you have todisassociate.
You cannot, you cannot slipinto your body right now.
You need to just get throughthis for her.
And I was like yep, how do youwant to feel?
What do you feel the mostcomfortable in?
What's your playlist going tobe Like?
And she was still like mentallyof sound mind when she did this

(52:08):
and I was like my favoritecolor is this and you look
really good in those.
Oh, you never got this backfrom a tailor.
Guess it's too late now.
Now, like I was trying to justbe normal for her.
I've noticed with people, I'vegot clients that are going
through chemo, I've got clientsthat are, you know, dealing with
a lot of stuff.
Just be normal.
So the only time that fullyregistered with me was when I

(52:29):
hung up the call and I was likesee you on the other side, happy
trails, and she was like thanks, and I got the email that she
passed peacefully and she worethe outfit and, um, when I hung
up the call, I was like youdon't have time to cry right now
because you have seven morepeople that need you.
So, um, I got through the dayand then I was like I feel like

(52:52):
I've been hit by a truck and Icause I was.
I'm able, I'm really good atcompartmentalizing when it comes
to work Like my whole world canbe on fire and I'm still here
present at work and I, finally,I just like sat in the tub.
I just stared at the wall forlike an hour and then I was like
well, you got to do it againtomorrow.

(53:14):
So once you've styled someonefor their ghost outfit, nothing
really bugs you anymore.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
And I think because I've had the privilege of being
either in the room with peopleor like so close to people as
they were on their way out thatthat's why I don't look at
people like, oh, this personthinks this, therefore they're
awful.
It's kind of like it's not thatserious.
Once you're watching someone go, you're like, oh, it doesn't
really matter what they thoughtor what they felt.

(53:43):
That was different than mine.
That's still a person.
It's still a human.
They still have people thatlove them.
They still have they needdignity and they need to feel
good about themselves,regardless of if I think they
should or not.
There was one of my favoriteactors of all time.
This is something that stickswith me when people like how can
you work with people that youdon't agree with?
And he was doing this interviewand he had just like signed up

(54:03):
for another role of like playinga bad guy and the interviewer
was like well, how does it feelto always play the villain?
And he said verbatim I'm notplaying the villain, I'm just
playing someone who wantssomething, and they're going
about it in a different way thanyou would.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Bingo.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
And that's how I've started looking at all people,
especially the ones that I workwith.
I don't have to agree withanything that you're saying,
thinking you're doing, but I'mgoing to get you dressed.
You're just going about life adifferent way than I am, so
maybe that's crazy, but Ihaven't gotten in a lot of
fights with people on theinternet lately, so I think that
takes up a lot of people's timeand energy.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Yeah, truly, and it doesn't actually have like an
effect in the collective.
You know like you're notactually taking steps to change
the situation, You're justspinning your wheels and being
angry.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Exactly, and it's like when people say why don't
you get angry about this?
And I go what good is thatgoing to do?

Speaker 1 (54:54):
That's not very productive, like if you're
feeling angry then you processthe anger and let it move
through, but like to, on purpose, go out and seek the anger.
I don't know that that's themost productive either.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
No, and I think I was talking to another client of
mine who's a neuroscientist anda psychologist and she was like
the same thing that the peoplethat fight on the internet,
we're all dopamine deprivedright now.
And she's like and the way thatwe get it in, like getting that
adrenaline jolt, is throughthings like arguing with people
online, because it puts us inthat fight or flight and then it
also puts us in that like, oh,we must be right, and it's like

(55:29):
that.
It's basically the equivalentof like teenage boys playing
video games at war and likethey're right.
Um, their dopamine receptorslike look at what we're doing,
we, the city, and it's likethey're really just sitting on
their ass.
Right, it's the same thing.
It's like it's not helpful,it's not kind, it's not anything
that I want to put out in theworld.
I will argue with people overthe new sex in the city reboot

(55:50):
and that's about it.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Fair enough, you know fair enough.
Um, you mentioned getting thecall and then having to go in
and do seven other calls andthen feeling like the truck that
hit you right.
So, as an energeticallysensitive person just operating
in the world, that's a lot, asit is right.
It sounds like you feel likeyou're just going and you're

(56:13):
good.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I think, because I've gotten to the point where this
is something that has been I'vebeen tuning into it since like
2021.
I had a really bad friendbreakup in about 2021.
And I was like, oh, you spentall this time just ignoring
these red flags because youwanted to see the best in people
.
I take every single person thatI meet at face value, and like
face value to me is also likeenergy.

(56:34):
How do I feel around you?
Do I feel safe around you?
And it's so funny because theclosest friends that I have, the
ones that I talk to everysingle day, I felt right with
immediately, like oh, we're good.
And the people that I don'tfeel that way around and I kind
of like talk myself into,they're the ones that cause
problems later on.
So, with all of my virtualclients because most of them

(56:56):
come to me through TikTok,they've already kind of met me
in a weird way for lack of abetter word.
They know what they're gettinginto.
They know I'm kind of a tell itlike it is, but I'll do it with
love.
They feel safe with me.
So by them coming to me throughmy content, they already kind
of know what they're gettinginto.
That it's a match.
Already it's a match.
Yeah, there's been very fewtimes where I'm like, oh, this

(57:18):
is not going to work and that'sbecause people approach me as
like a like a fix it, like aquick solution, and I'm just not
.
Because it took you howevermany years to get into the style
route, it's going to take ussome time to get out of it.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I can expedite the process, but it's still not
going to be.
You know, here's your magicpill For sure.
And then you said that you gotinto the bathtub at the end of
the day and that seemed to help.
Do you have practices at theend of the day that you Usually
not.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
I'm a morning person like a morning person, so I've
been.
I try to journal every singleday.
I have two decks I have a tarotdeck and then I have a Mary
Magdalene Oracle deck, becauseshe's my girl.
She's great she.
Just you know, she got reallybad branding.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
She really did Well on purpose.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Well, I've always felt it's funny because I've
always felt drawn to MaryMagdalene, since I saw Jesus
Christ Superstar as a child.
Like she's important.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
And I was, fortunate enough, I had an aunt who, uh
God, I loved her so much.
She started her own church and,like not a culty way, like and
then we should be more likeJesus way and she was a
Christian book reviewer.
But she was the coolest personI've ever met in my life.
She started this really coolthing that is still going to
this day.
She's been gone.
A couple of weeks ago it's been10 years.

(58:35):
She's been gone.
I was in the room with her whenshe passed.
Um, she started this thingcalled uh at the time it was
called the Christian women's jobcore and my aunt had a ton of
money so like it's more moneythan God and started this
organization where she wouldfind single moms that didn't
either get their GED or didn'tgo to college and would pay for
them to do those things, babysittheir children while they were

(58:58):
doing it and would like helpthem get apartments.
And, like she bought women carsand like, to this day, people
come up to me like you're Dawn'sniece, like she did.
You know these cool things.
Um started her own church.
Only read the red letter partsof it of the Bible.
It was so cool, um, but I told,I told her.

(59:18):
I was like, why don't we everlearn about mary magdalene?
She was a bible scholar and shegoes oh, the church didn't want
you to.
And she gave me the gospel ofmary and, uh, like magdalene
awakened and she was like theymight be too wordy for you now,
but you're gonna want theselater.
And I was like, oh, mary'sreally cool.
So I have my mary or Oracledeck and my tarot deck and I
pull from those every single day.

(59:39):
I do transcendental meditation.
I'm a rep I don't know rep butlike an ambassador to them.
I joke that I got into itbecause the Beatles did it and
it was the last piece ofmemorabilia I didn't have with
like a mantra.
I think that's fair, I think Icommitted to the bit too hard

(01:00:16):
Now.
I think I committed to the bittoo hard Now I'm an ambassador,
but I do, I journal, I do that.
The big thing is like I kind ofjust, I kind of go through life
with the law of assumptionwhere it's like everything's
going to work out, everything'sgoing to be perfect,
everything's going to be the waythat it should be, and I can't
get attached to the outcome.
So COVID taught me that.
And COVID was the last timethat I clung to something so
tight and so hard that it hurtLike I was like clinging to
things so hard that my palmsfelt like they were bleeding.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
And then when I let go all these things came to me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
I couldn't be open to receive these blessings until I
finally was like you got to letit go.
So now, anytime that somethinghappens and I'm like that's not
what I want it to happen, I justgo plot twist yeah, there's
gonna come in and like thatclient that I, that fired me, I
got another client the next day.
Like it's.
It's one of those things that Ijust I'm not married to the
outcome of hardly anythinganymore, and I just kind of take

(01:00:52):
every day for what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
It sounds like you're basically living the four
agreements in real time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
I try to, and the not taking anything personally.
One is the hardest.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
That's the biggest one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
It's really hard for me.
And the other thing is, like Iwas, I was very fortunate.
I have a lot of really greatneurodivergent women in my life
and my best friend isneurotypical who was like girl.
I don't know how you didn'tknow.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
But um well, if it's the air you're, you're breathing
in every day, like, how are yousupposed to know?

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
She was like I was.
I was talking to one of myother neurodivergent friends and
we were at this like barbecueover Memorial day and she was
like, yeah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah, and I go, oh, so he
has narcissistic personalitydisorder.
And she goes exactly Like we'revery good about seeing things
for what they are and being ableto be around other people that
view that as like, oh, that'shilarious and it's not like

(01:01:41):
you're not judgmental and it'snot like in a bad way, you're
just it's really out ofrecognition.
That's been really fun to kindof explore that and to like tap
into and be around people thatcelebrate it, because now people
be like can I get a vibe checkon this?

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's like the smell test inRatatouille Like yeah.
What's what's the deal?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yeah, Is this person crazy?
Maybe Could be.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Could be Little nutty .
That's so interesting.
If you are open to it, I wouldlike to go into, like the race,
the race and color ethnicityconversation of our meat suits.
How would you, from a spiritualperspective higher up, why or

(01:02:32):
how or what are the lessons thatyou're sitting with in a white
costume in this version of lifethat we're all living in right
now?
That's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
I have never thought about it.
Yeah, I also, because TikTok isgreat.
So a great example of this isI'm never going to be like I
don't see color, becauseobviously that's stupid and
everyone but I've noticed thatin clients, people feel more
comfortable with people thatlook like them.

(01:03:03):
So I had an instance where I hada client who this was probably
this was like right at COVID, so2020, and he wanted to do this.
Uh, this album cycle, like youknow, album cycles like your
album cover, your social media,like all this stuff, of all
these black icons and music, andit was all like 60s and 70s,
which I was down, and it took mea little bit longer, as I was

(01:03:27):
being pitched for it, to provemyself.
When, in my mind, I'm likeMarvin Gaye, I could do it all
day long.
Which era do you want?
Which blah, blah, blah do youwant?
And I was like, oh, it's becauseI don't look like him and his
team is like this girl's thecolor of mayonnaise, what is she
going to know about that?
And I was like, oh, okay, so Ineed to make sure that every
single person feels comfortablewith me, and there are some

(01:03:50):
people that I've had to work alittle bit harder to prove
myself to.
I also I grew up in a way where, like, a lot of people hear
country music and they hearNashville and they automatically
go racism.
But if you're in the trenchesof it.
It's not something that occursevery day Like.
One of my first big girlclients was Charlie Pride, who

(01:04:12):
was like the big you know firstblack male country singer that
was all these things.
So, my mind growing up, I'm like, oh Charlie, pride is a country
star, everyone that's black canbe a country star.
And I, just because I grew upin such a weird situation and
now, like we have Mickey Guytonand Beyonce and all this stuff,
I was like it never occurred tome that someone else would think

(01:04:33):
otherwise to me, that someoneelse would think otherwise.
I wasn't that way, so it wasn't, until it's kind of like.
It's kind of like how reallygood men had a hard time
believing that the Me Toomovement happened.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Oh yeah, just because they've never seen it Exactly,
it's never been part of theirexperience.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
You don't see something it's hard to see, that
like it's hard to understand itexists.
So I kind of had to look at how, how people were experiencing
the world through people thatare not like me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Because I've never been like oh well, that person
is a redhead, they must you knowlike really like potatoes
because they must be Irish, like.
I just don't think like that.
So it was.
It was kind of like a oh,people are assholes and you have
to figure out the history ofthe assholery Right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
The context that created the current situation.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Exactly, and I love a deep dive, but that was not a
fun one.
I ended up getting the job andworking for that artist for
several years.
I don't think he's doing muchof anything now, but I was like
nope, I've been to Stax.
Here's my entire recordcollection.
Here's the playlist I made forthe day.
Like I have the credentials Ipromised you don't let my pasty

(01:05:42):
ass.
I have a deep appreciation forthis.
I never want to say like Idon't see color because I I just
don't look at people throughthose lenses of like oh, I'm
putting people into boxes and Irealized that the world does so.
I had to adjust people'sexpectations based on what

(01:06:05):
they've experienced.
Cause, like you know, if you're, if you are a dog and you get
hit so many times when someonegoes and like hands you a treat,
you're going to be like.
So I had I go into my, mycircumstance or my situations
with my clients who are, wholook different than me, with
that perspective of like I'mgoing to have to work twice as
hard to prove to you that I knowwhat I'm talking about but I

(01:06:26):
also care and that I've done myresearch.
Like I've got artists that onlywant to wear black owned brands
.
I have a whole like Google docof the pros and the cons of
every single brand.
I've got clients that only wantto wear Indian brand.
They want clients that want towear these things.
No, it's honestly made me it's.
It's expanded my education on alot of stuff, which is really
cool and it's a gift.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
That's awesome, so you're basically taking it as an
opportunity to learn more.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Yeah, it's just funny too, because I was like I
remember being like, but CharliePride's a country singer, like
why is everyone freaking outabout Beyonce?
Like this has been a thing fora long time and he's super nice
and he was also into astrology.
Like it's funny because thatwas like those um, you know
those time life box sets whereit's like for nine payments of
$99.99.

(01:07:11):
Yes, he probably was my firstclient.
He was so sweet.
He was an old man at this pointand I was like 19, 20.
And I was hanging everything upand like, keep in mind, he could
have been a pro baseball playerand decided he wanted to do
country music instead, where,like this was still segregated

(01:07:39):
and then excelled in it.
And then I'm like I'm nervous,it's my first big girl job, it's
being filmed, I'm getting paidlike my first day, right.
So I'm hanging everything upand I hear in the background
Virgo and I turn around and I go, yes, and it's him.
So like which most people thinkoh, white girls with my haircut
are into astrology and that'sabout it.
And he was like, yeah, firstweek of September.
And I was like how did you know?

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
He goes oh, you're talking like a Virgo vibe about
you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Oh, that's so funny.
I'm a Pisces and he startsbreaking this stuff down and I
was like so people alreadythought like it was weird You're
a baseball player and weirdthat you're a country singer,
and now like you're anastrologer.
I never look at someone andmake an assumption about them
now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
I love that.
That was your entry into thatentire world Like what a perfect
experience to have.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
It set the tone.
One of my girls that I work forshe's very liberal, like super
liberal and her whole team's gayand like she's an angel and
she's really sweet.
But people assume, because shelooks and talks a certain way,
that she must not be.
And you just can't do that.
You can't take people for like,oh, that's my prejudice that I
have against people and that's,you know, like it's just not,

(01:08:43):
it's not how my brain works,because my brain was like blown
when I was 20 years old.
And this guy is like oh, you'rea Virgo and I used to be a
baseball player and now I'm acountry star.
You're like what?
It's funny because I always endup with people at parties.
My mom always jokes like I findthe dog at the party, but it's
always like the person that hasthe most random side quests and

(01:09:05):
I'm like yeah, I want to talk toyou.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Yeah, totally, totally, yeah Long story short.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
I'm not saying I'm a saint by any means at all, but
it's like I didn't realize thatother people don't approach
human beings that way.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
I had to learn.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
It's like I feel like the really good boyfriend after
the bad boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
That's what it feels like.
So, yeah, yeah, that's.
And when I work with clients, Iask them their hierarchy of
needs.
Like that's one of the biggestthings.
Like do you want sustainable?
Do you want natural fibers, Doyou want blah, blah, blah?
And someone's like I reallywould only like black owned
brands.
I'm like great, I got them allright here.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Like that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
It's almost like close me to pineapple.
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
I got two brands for you.
I hope that works.
Yeah, that's so good.
It's almost like you have sucha connection to like the soul
side of things that it's likeyou have to intentionally
educate yourself about how tooperate in the human world.
Like, let me figure out whatthis human situation means, yeah
, and how to navigate it withyou.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
It's odd.
Odd because working in music aslong as my whole family has,
because my grandfather movedeveryone here in the sixties you
, a lot of people think thatit's only dealing with the
famous person.
It's dealing with the famousperson that's your client, and
the hairstyles and the makeuparts and the manager.
The manager is going to comefrom a different background than
everybody else.

(01:10:34):
Then you've got the, theecosystem of a stage and the
crew that goes in that stage,because a lot of stagehands are
they'll still hire a lot offelons for stagehands those
people you've got all the crewpeople that.
You've got the lightingspecialist, the uh, the audio.
You've got the stage manager.

(01:10:55):
You've got the people that workin sessions.
You are surrounded constantlyby people who did not grow up
like you, who do not think likeyou, who do not vote like you,
who have a completely differenthierarchy of needs.
And going back to that, likeI'm not the villain, I'm just
doing things differently in away that you would.
And when you're around that, asopposed to like I work in a
bank, I work in the law firm, Iwork in all these things you get

(01:11:15):
a view like, oh, this is like avery small scale of what the
world actually is like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
As opposed to your little bubble, your little echo
chamber.
So it's really a blessing to beable to work in the industry
that I do and to work behind thescenes, because you'll have
people in a band that are allcompletely different human
beings and it's like, oh cool,now I just get to see that not
getting out of that likeinternet bubble that everyone
thinks like I do and everyoneapproaches the world the way I
do, and that's cool.

(01:11:41):
And now I can.
I can talk to anybody this isme, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
Yeah, it's kind of a superpower in a way, just to be
able to like connect withanybody really quickly too,
because if you're in a highpressure situation, you're
spending a lot of time withthese people in a very just
concentrated situation.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
I'm not going to name names, but I did wardrobe like
a local wardrobe gig, which isdifferent than touring with
someone, and local wardrobe isharder to me than touring
because you only get that oneday to make an impression and to
make that person feel goodbefore they go to somebody else.
So I was doing wardrobe for anartist who is a Mormon.
They go to somebody else.
So I was doing wardrobe for anartist who is a Mormon and I was

(01:12:21):
like this was before.
I ended up on like modesty,tiktok on style and I ended up
with a bunch of Mormon clientsthat wear the garments and then
I would also do them, always inthe same day as my dominatrix,
which cracked me up, so funny.
But so anyway, I was like Idon't know anything about
Mormonism, let me do someresearch and make sure I don't
offend this person accidentally.
I'm going to be in theirunderwear all day long.
So I just kind of was likelooking things up and I was like

(01:12:41):
, oh, didn't know that, didn'tknow that, that's good to know.
Moving forward, I'm going to.
I'm not going to change who Iam as a person, but I'm going to
modify myself in certain waysbecause this client is going to
be in their underwear or theirgarment.
I need to make them feel good.
So when that artist came backthrough town they asked for me
again.
And that happens a lot whereit's like I don't know what my

(01:13:06):
client retention rate regardlessof if it's touring or music
videos or photo shoots, it'spretty high.
So I think it's because I justmeet everyone where they're at
and I help them be the bestversion of themselves that day
and I give them whatever.
There's one version of me, butI kind of filter it to what they
need, because I'm not reallyhere to be the star of the show,

(01:13:26):
right.
I'm here to support that person, right.
So learned a lot, tried to notswear that day.
It was kind of hard.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Yeah, I was going to say, like what does that look
like in practice?
Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, and I you know, you justwant to make sure that you I'm
really good at reading a room.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
That's important.
That's a superpower in itself.
It is.
That's very my.
I'm really good at reading aroom.
I'm really good at figuring outwho's comfortable, who's
uncomfortable.
Um, I can try to makeconversation with almost anybody
if they're willing to like goback to back with me, and I just
think people are so interesting.
They really are.
They're really interesting,yeah.
Yeah, I mean, people look at itlike, oh well, she must not
have her own thoughts orfeelings or beliefs or opinions.
I'm like I do.
I just don't think that I'mbetter than you and the fact

(01:14:10):
that my life experience is goingto be the same as yours and the
same as yours and I don't holdmy opinion higher than yours,
because I'm not living in yourmeat suit, so, in that, all
sorts of style like I'm notgoing to put you in what I'm
wearing because what I'm wearingis not going to be suitable for
you yeah, for sure like that'sa cop-out, like okay, cool.
Well, what are you gonna do?
Do you want me to be an asshole?

(01:14:31):
Because I can.
I could be a lot meaner.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
I'm not gonna yeah, yeah, you could.
You have 20 minutes to likestrike up a, like a real good
connection with somebody, andyou could make so many
assumptions about somebody'sentire life just based on those
20 minutes that you have.
But it wouldn't really serveyou, would it?

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
No, that's so interesting.
I just don't.
People are like, oh well, if Iwear this or people are going to
think that I go.
I've never once looked back atan interaction when I had with
someone that was fleeting andbeen like, well, that could have
gone better for outfit wasbetter.
About people like that, yeah,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Yeah, um, one of the last questions I want to ask you
is the idea of judging peoplelike don't judge a book by it,
by its cover, right?
And also, in the same sentence,your entire job is to give
people options for their coverthat will communicate volumes,
right?
How do you dance between thosetwo realities?

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Well, from a branding and marketing perspective, when
it comes to musicians, I needto make people look like they
sound, and the way that I dothat is I will take, you know,
like, let's say, a an artistfavorite band is the Beatles and
Bob Dylan.
So I'm not going to take a BobDylan costume and then put it on
somebody and be like here yougo, or like a Sgt Pepper costume

(01:15:51):
, like here you go.
So what I'll do is I'll borrowthings that feel familiar, so I
might take the silhouette of,like this suit that the Beatles
wore and put like something BobDylan wore and then copy paste
the pattern onto it.
And I kind of do the same thingwith people.
So like when you meet me and Itell you like oh, I really liked
the Beatles or the stones orwhatever it makes sense, and
when you kind of get an overallpreview for what you're getting

(01:16:13):
into but I try not to giveeverything away I tell people
don't dress like you're a bumpersticker.
Yeah, I just think, like myfirst car in school, I like had
all these bumper stickers andbands I liked and my thoughts
and my feelings and opinions allover the back of my car.
No one needed that.
It's just an overall vibe.
When I tell people what I dofor a living, they go oh, that
makes sense.
Right, that's all I need.

(01:16:33):
So, um, I don't think that,like a lot of times people will
say things to me like oh, Ireally like these two polar
opposite style icons.
How do I show up as both thesepeople?
We have been kind of programmed,especially now in like TikTok
world, to go into cores andaesthetics and you feel like you
have to change your entirepersonality and you have to make
everything for that particularthing.
Oh, it's whimsic off summer.

(01:16:54):
Oh it's Italian girl summer.
Oh it's mob girl winter.
Like I have to changeeverything about myself.
But in reality we borrowelements from a lot of different
things that we like.
So I tell people I just need ataste.
I don't need the full record, Ineed to know preview what I'm
getting into.
Um, so, like, if you were toshow up wearing all white robes,
I'd be like you're a Kundaliniyoga teacher or a cult leader or

(01:17:15):
both.
Cool, yeah, like great.
Or wearing all black, like youmight have a hot topic card,
like in your wallet.
But if you might, if you're notcool, it's just I try to make
it seem like you're getting apreview of what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
I love that.
So it's basically you couldeither wear a costume wearing
the bumper sticker right or youcan actually play with the
expression of all the differentpieces and how they all meld
together.
And it's basically how I talkabout intuition, too, because I
say that everybody speaks.
Intuition it's a language, butevery single individual has a

(01:17:49):
very unique dialect that theyspeak, which is a combination of
all their different strongsenses in that category.
So, yeah, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Yeah, the cover is important, but it's not the full
story.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
And it could never be .
No, could never.
I love that.
What a perfect way to end thisYay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Thank you so much, I so appreciate you for coming on
today, and I'm glad that yourhouse isn't on fire.
Holla Frickin' Louia.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I'm like LA in a fire alarm.
I'm like no, I know I wasthinking the exact same thing.
I was like not again.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Universe is like we're not putting this podcast
out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
We're, yeah.
Thank you so much for hangingout and going in deep with me,
cause I know it's not always asafe space for everyone to go
into, and I much appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Well, I will talk to you soon.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Okay, bye.
Thank you for listening to SoulLevel Human.
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So until next time at a timeand your voice makes a
difference.
So until next time, remember toslow down, tune in, trust your

(01:18:59):
guidance and keep having theaudacity to choose the highest
timeline.
When you show up fully, yougive others permission to do the
same.
Make this the timeline whereyou show up.

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