We explore what it means to fully step into your spiritual calling with Heather Eck, an intuitive artist who creates spirit portraits that serve as mirrors of her clients' energy and maps for healing.
• Former corporate HR leader turned energy worker who discovered her gifts were there all along
• Experiences synesthesia which allows her to see sound as colors, shapes, and movement
• Received cosmic guidance when she got a promotion and first art show on the same day
• Uses her gifts to create intuitive paintings that reflect people's current spiritual state
• Discusses spiritual responsibility and not trying to "fix" everything in the world
• Suggests simple practices like intentional breathing between meetings for corporate burnout
• Emphasizes the importance of parenting conscious humans for the future
• Shares how energy blockages manifest physically and how to release them
• Encourages celebrating small wins like "putting on pants" in challenging times
• Invites listeners to recognize their childhood interests as clues to their spiritual gifts
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Next up on Soul Level , human, we get a huge countdown
.
When we first start and we'relike, oh hi, we're going, we're
going, it's right now.
It kind of feels like that'swhat life is throwing at us
right now, doesn't it?
The big giant countdown.
Three, two, one, let's go, it'sgo time.
Ready or not?
Yeah, really Ready or not?
(00:21):
Here we come.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Then I noticed that people would come into my office
and pick up crystals and rocksoff my desk and they would sit
and hold them and talk to meabout things that were not HR
related.
And I started to notice likeauras around people and at the
end of 2019, officially steppedout of corporate to do this work
full time Wow, I would lay onmy floor and draw what music
looked like to me.
I had synesthesia, which is acondition in your mind where
(00:51):
your signals cross.
There are over 80 differentforms of it.
For me, it comes through asound to color or sound to shape
or taste.
When I take in a sense, in mymind it shows up as a
choreography of movement andcolor and shape.
As a little kid, I didn'treally know what it was called
(01:12):
and I didn't really have thevocabulary to describe it.
I think I just assumed thateverybody had that too.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You didn't come here to play safe.
You came to remember your powerand build what comes next.
I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychicmedium and intuition coach, and
this is Soul Level Human, thepodcast for truth-tellers, cycle
breakers and soul-ledrevolutionaries.
You didn't come here to bypassthe chaos.
You came here to lead throughit.
(01:44):
Today's guest is Heather Eck, aformer corporate HR leader,
turned intuitive artist, energyworker and spiritual coach.
Heather has synesthesia, whichmeans she literally sees sound,
and she uses that gift to createcustom intuitive paintings that
serve as a mirror of herclient's current spiritual state
.
These spirit portraits become amap for healing, release and
(02:08):
transformation.
We talk about what it means tostep fully into your calling,
how to navigate burnout and whyspiritual responsibility is
non-negotiable in a time likethis.
We also get into her personalstory how she left corporate
after receiving a promotion andher first solo art show on the
same day.
Talk about a cosmic fork in theroad.
(02:31):
If you've ever felt like youdon't quite fit the mold of any
career path out there, or ifyou're just exhausted by the
push pull of purpose versuspracticality, this one is for
you.
Let's dive in.
Thank you for coming on,heather.
I'm so happy to finallyofficially meet you.
Yeah, same.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Thank you for having me.
It's nice to see you in personoutside of the socials.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, isn't that wild .
I feel like we know each otheralready.
We are in the same businessprogram, we both are with James
Wedmore and we're part of hiscommunities.
And can I just say I'm obsessedwith your website and your
branding and I see the flow,girl, I see what you're doing, I
see the care, I see theintentionality, snaps.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Thank you so much.
Yeah, I appreciate that becauseI know you know that you start
to put something out there andthen something changes and then
you have to update everythingand at the end of the day, I
just want it to all feelcohesive and somebody lands
there.
They know what to do.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And it's a living, breathing thing.
We are both energeticpractitioners and we have a very
grounded and rooted backgroundin how we approach things, so I
feel like that's such a missingpiece of the puzzle when it
comes to the airy fairyspiritual approach to things,
don't you think?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Totally.
Yeah, I often say that too,like as an artist.
I've met a lot of artists whenI worked in games who were
brilliant illustrators and artdesigners who could not fill out
their new hire paperwork, andso I think it's so interesting
when you have somebody like mewho came from corporate, who is
(04:16):
also an artist and lives in thatspiritual space.
I use so many spreadsheets inmy world.
It's like the two things cametogether to create.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
That's a very particular skill set.
I hate spreadsheets.
How do you do it?
My dad's a math retired now buthe's a math professor, so I was
like in calculus by junior yearof high school.
So like my brain can, it can dothe thing.
But I don't like it and I don'twant to.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I know I'm the same way.
I think I lean a lot on theskills I developed in corporate.
Sometimes I think it's easierfor me to lean into that world
than it is to step into thespiritual space, sometimes
because it's a known.
It's a known thing, so I cansometimes keep myself there.
Yeah, and then go okay, come on, come on.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh, that's fascinating.
Okay, let's start at the verybeginning.
Let's do a little sound ofmusic moment for myself right
now.
Tell me, how did you stumbleinto all of this stuff, like was
it something that you alwayshad?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You tell me yeah, that's a great question it is.
It was with me when I was alittle kid.
I was a very spiritual kid.
I was always like dabbling inastrology and reading books
about the mysteries of theunexplained and I was always
asking my dad questions aboutare aliens real?
Like I think I just came intothis world very curious about
(05:38):
the mysteries of the universeand wanted to understand that
from a really young age and Iwas very creative kid and was
always sketching and drawing andsinging songs and writing music
and I would lay on my floor anddraw what music looked like to
me.
And so I think that I had thesynesthesia, which is like a
(06:01):
condition in your mind whereyour signals cross, where
essentially, like, there areover 80 different forms of it.
For me it comes through a soundto color or sound to shape or
taste.
When I take in a sense, in mymind it shows up as a
choreography of movement andcolor and shape, and that was
(06:21):
with me, I think, as a littlekid.
I didn't really know what itwas called and I didn't really
have the vocabulary to describeit.
I think I just assumed thateverybody had that too and that
was just me.
But I set about to pursue humanresources because your parents
are like you can't be an artistbecause there's no money in that
(06:43):
, so go do something else.
Right like you can't be anartist because there's no money
in that, so go do something else.
Right the spreadsheet.
So I went into human resourcesfor almost 20 years and then
found myself like dabbling incollecting as many
certifications as I possiblycould, going to as many classes
as I could.
I started and ended so manylittle small businesses and
creative spaces.
(07:04):
And then, when we moved from NewJersey down to North Carolina
in 2014, I started working witha spiritual teacher and she
helped me see.
You know, your gifts show upwhen you're young.
They've always been around you.
The things that you wereinterested in as a little kid
are actually like where yourgifts live.
And as soon as she said that tome, it was like this light bulb
(07:25):
went off and I went oh, I'm anartist.
It was like it came floodingback in.
You know, like?
And then I started to getreally angry because I thought
I've spent all this time sittingbehind this desk.
I hate this.
I really.
You know, I think for a lot ofus, we move into places where we
think we're supposed to be andwe don't realize the shoulds we
(07:48):
should all over ourselves rightTotally and we don't realize
that we're building up thisanger and resentment about where
we should be.
And so I found myself reallyangry and really tired and the
kind of tired that, like noamount of time off was going to
fix.
And so I started painting againand I started stepping into my
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spiritual gifts and I noticedthat people would come into my
office and pick up crystals androcks off my desk and they would
sit and hold them and talk tome about things that were not HR
related, and I started tonotice like auras around people
and then I decided that I neededto get out of that space and at
(08:30):
the end of 2019, officiallystepped out of corporate to do
this work full time.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Wow, wow, gosh, what a reflection of like it's always
been there, it's right underyour nose.
For myself, growing up, I wasalways that odd man out, square,
peg, round hole kind of person.
Like I was like I don't fitanywhere, I don't like.
I'm looking at all the littlecareer books and nothing feels
like me, you know.
(08:56):
And it turns out I mean, thisis not a job description that
was just readily available inthe career books, right, exactly
.
And what do you do with that?
Especially back then, nobodywas talking about this stuff.
Back then, like this is liketotally fringe, very strange,
very, very out there.
And I'm so amazed that peoplewere gravitating to you, even
(09:19):
without you claiming it oradvertising it or anything, and
it was just a matter of energyalready setting things up for
you.
That's so cool.
Did you have any experiences asa kid where you would try to
articulate the synesthesia orthe experiences that you were
having?
That's a really good question.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I think you know, when I look back at that time I
remember just having this likeinsatiable curiosity about the
bigger world around me.
You know like we would go tothe library and I remember just
gravitating over to like thespiritual, religious books and
every normal kid does right, Isthat not?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Is that not a thing?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I'm like, I'm like 11 years old and I'm like, yeah,
I'll forget about those.
I want to look at these Like.
I remember pulling out a bookon the Dead Sea Scrolls one time
and my mom was like, um, maybesomething else.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
But my dad was always really curious about it and in
our house we talked about likethe other side and we would talk
about ghosts and we would talkabout spirits and like nobody.
Nobody really pushed that awaybecause I think my mom and dad
had had their own experiencesand so I had.
You know, there's these momentsfrom childhood that I would
remember asking my mom and dadlike I would have a sensation
(10:43):
where everything was speeding upand everything was slowing down
and that I would havesensations in my body that felt
like, okay, you know, when youhave a bushel of grapes and you
take the grape off and it's gotthe little pointy end that has
been the stem has been in thegrape, I would have sensations
in my body of the stems, like onmy skin, and I never really
(11:04):
knew what that was, but I couldsort of I would feel and I
wonder, looking back at that now, if that was me reading energy
at the time and I didn't knowwhat was happening.
Because now, as an adult, youthink so- yeah, do you still?
have that feeling now?
No, but it's similar to like ifI meet somebody whose energy
(11:28):
doesn't resonate with me orthere's something about them
that I just am not sure of.
I experience them as prickly oras pointy or something, so I
wondered if that was what wascoming through at the time.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean that makes total sense too, Because I mean,
since now you're keyed into theenergy and you know yourself so
much better as an adult, youknow you don't need the like the
hit me over the head sign of it.
Right, Right, Like back then,everything is so new.
In order to notice it, Like theproprioception and things like
that, you need a very loud input.
(12:03):
Right, so that makes perfectsense that it was so distinct.
And so what hand motion is thisSpecific right so obvious for
you to actually track it andnotice it?
And now it can be so much moresubtle.
That's so fascinating.
Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I don't know if you had this when you were a kid,
like, did you ever see yourselfflying?
Or did you ever see yourselfmoving around?
Like, yeah, those things wouldhappen to me.
I was like, oh, I'm watchingmyself fly up the stairs, but I
was sitting there.
But I in my mind, I don't knowthose like bizarre things that
you experience as a kid, whereyou have no vocabulary for
(12:41):
what's happening, and then, asyou become an adult and you
start to realize, oh, actually,whatever the spiritual gift is,
it's been with me for a verylong time.
I just packed it up in a littlebox and stuffed it way, way
down until you have somethingthat happens and you have to
lean into it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So, yeah, weird little things from childhood,
yeah, it's such a bummer to thatthat just back then these
conversations weren't being had,because I remember trying to
talk to my friends about it.
Like you know that feelingwhere, like you know you're here
but you're not here, but like Ididn't have the words for that,
and it's like I can conjurethat feeling even now, like it
(13:20):
was.
It's just like this out of body, like awareness that you're
this person this time and youare in a body and you're here.
It's like it's an acid trip.
Basically is what I'mdescribing, but I've never been
on acid.
Like I can access all of thiswith zero drugs, wild, right.
(13:42):
And so how do you articulatethat?
As a you know, five-year-old,you can't.
And then, of course, all myfriends were like, yeah, you're
weird.
No, no, I don't know thatfeeling.
And so, yeah, like you said,you just stuff it down and then
you just put it on a shelf anddecide, well, I guess I'm just
weird and I'm so glad there's somany other weirds out there now
(14:03):
, thank God, right, because it'ssame same.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I was really unsure where I fit in in the world and
I think I had.
You know, everybody has like acore wound right.
Mine has always been acceptance, like I.
I'm like I don't know who I fitwith.
I must not be acceptable.
And it was just because I thinkI felt things so deeply.
I was one of those verysensitive kids that people
(14:29):
didn't quite know how to be withme, I guess because I just
wasn't you know, I was just verysensitive.
Now I think that sensitivity issomething that attracts people
to me, but at the time it waslike oh my God, she's crying
again.
God, she's so sensitive, she'sso shy.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Here we go again, yeah, and then you internalize
all of that, right, becausepeople say so much off the cuff
they don't think twice aboutwhat they say around their kids
or whatever, right?
But it's so foundational to whowe end up being and all the
weeds that we have to siftthrough trying to come back home
to ourselves ultimately.
And so how do you help othersin that process of coming home
(15:10):
to themselves?
Because if you've been throughit, then you know the terrain,
but it's not going to lookexactly like yours.
So how do you do it?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, that's a beautiful question.
I think what is interestingabout the way that I work with
people now is in being able tosort of put their energy on like
a jacket.
I have strong clairsentience,so I feel a lot, you probably
know.
Like you walk into a room, youkind of know what's happening in
that space or what has happenedin that space.
(15:39):
When I sit with somebody, Iunderstand what's the spiritual
undercurrent or issue thatthey're going through, that's
affecting them at an energeticlevel physical, emotional or
spiritual and so I often createa painting for them that's
called a spirit portrait.
That's sort of like a mirror oftheir energy at the moment and
it offers them a map out of thatpain into healing.
(16:01):
And so cool, thank you, thankyou.
So I really I seek, I seekcolor.
That artistic, colorful aspectof my childhood is still very
present with me and I see coloraround people and that color
gives me information that then Ican use to help work with them.
(16:21):
And I do that through this kindof container of here's where
you're starting with your spiritportrait, here's where you are,
your spirit portrait, here'swhere you are.
And we were going to work withyou through therapeutic arts,
somatic exercises, all differentkinds of modalities to help you
unblock that get unstuck,restore your understanding of
(16:41):
yourself from a spiritualperspective, and then we do a
final spirit portrait at the endthat shows where they are today
.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Oh, that is so cool.
I love how you just you weaveso many things that you can do
all together into your ownsignature experience.
Like again, this is not in acareer book, career fair, like
that's not a thing.
But that's so cool because youhave your own entry point.
I love that you use the metaphorof putting on a jacket, because
(17:09):
that communicates volumes andjust that idea, like you can you
can quote, unquote, picturewhat it's like to put on a
scratchy jacket where you'rejust uncomfortable but you can
feel around and get so muchinformation just from feeling
the jacket on your body, versusa jacket that feels good and
feel soft and all it fits allthe right places.
That is such a great way to putit.
(17:31):
I love that, thank you.
But then, okay, so you havethat level.
And then you've also brought inso many modalities and
education.
Like you are trained in so manydifferent things and you can
bring in knowledge and practicesfrom so many different places.
And then I'm sure you use yourown intuition and your own
(17:52):
guidance to weave through whathits first and where we're going
next and how to best approachthe situation, and then
sandwiching in the process withanother painting.
Heather, that's exactly it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I want to hire you to do my marketing for me.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I do like to write it works out well, that's funny.
I do like to write it works outwell, that's funny, Heather.
That is so cool.
And what I love too is that itall of this stuff is so like
intangible for people, mostlylike they can kind of get it but
they don't really get it, andit's so helpful to have that 3d
(18:29):
thing that they can see, look at, feels you know, sit with to
explain it, Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, because it's
not.
It's not something that I caneasily put into a business card
and hand out to somebody, andit's woo enough that somebody's
like, wait, what, what do you donow?
But I also think that the toolsthat I use for people in the
conversations that I have reallyare meant.
I feel like all I'm doing isholding up a mirror.
(18:57):
You know, I'm holding up amirror and giving somebody
permission to see themselves asthe beautiful, radiant spirit
that they're meant to be here,and offering them permission to
make space for themselves,because a lot of times we are so
bogged down by whatever we'reconsuming in the news cycle or
just our lives and going frommeeting to meeting, and the next
(19:20):
thing, you know it's eighto'clock and you haven't had
dinner, and then you're in bedby midnight, you doom scroll,
and so this is rinse and repeat,yeah, repeat, yeah, exactly,
you know, and we are so, so manyof us are so tired, and so it's
really meant to give you toolsthat you can use to help give
you back a sense of yourself, tohelp you see yourself again and
(19:42):
actually to answer the questionlike what is it that I really
want instead of why am I stilldoing this thing that actually
makes me feel really bad, orthat's contributing to high
blood pressure, or that's makingme feel you know, some of those
things we just do when we'renot aware of what the actual
impact is on our mind, body orspirit.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then meeting people at suchan intimate level, that's
that's a large, energetic askfor you to hold.
You know how?
How do you manage your energydoing all of this stuff?
How, like, how many paintingsdo you?
How often is this?
This is crazy it is.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It's a lot.
I want to say oh, I'm so good atmaking time for myself to
meditate and to do all thethings right, but it's like the
cobblers kids have no shoes.
You know, I have to really workat making space for myself too
and sort of practice what Ipreach right, but I think it is
limited to a certain number ofpeople because there's only so
much that I can support at onetime.
(20:42):
But I also try to really makesure that I'm a clear channel
for that person, so praying andclearing my energy, clearing my
space before I sit with thatperson's energy, so that I'm
trying to offer the cleanest andclearest information that is
for their highest and best, sothat I'm not blocking it.
And so what I have found isthat if I try to control too
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much of the process of makingthe painting or making the
whatever, it turns out so badand I feel so icky.
But if I just sort of go okay,god, you know what does this
person need, like, let me justbe the clear channel through
which it flows, then I just letwhatever it looks like.
That's what it looks like andthat's when I get the clearest
(21:26):
understanding of how I can helpsupport them.
But it's a really beautiful,fascinating thing, and I think
what I like about the spiritportraits is that that is like a
Polaroid of your spirit.
It's such a quick snapshot ofwhere you are.
The larger pieces that I dothat are like the bigger
abstracts are really like anexploration of bigger ideas that
(21:46):
are out in the world today.
Like I'm really honed in onthis idea of spiritual
responsibility at the momentbecause oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, let's go there, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Right.
Like yeah it's so important and, and I think it's almost like a
glass shattering moment, Likeonce you have an understanding
of spirit.
You can't right Like you can'tunsee it, you can't unring the
bell.
You know every other analogyyou can think of.
Then, all of a sudden, it'slike okay, now you have a
(22:18):
responsibility and you can't put, you can't walk it back.
Yes, and so that's.
That's what I'm exploring nowin in my work.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Have you seen an evolution of your work from, say
, 2018-19 pre-COVID to now?
Like?
What does that look likevisually?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh, that's a great question.
I think, visually, the workfelt very, I would say, like
constricted in a way.
I don't think I reallyunderstood.
You know, I would do a paintingin the early days and I'd be
like, oh, this painting's blue,white and gold.
That's about the throat, that'sabout the spirit, that's about
abundance.
And now and now, when I sit towork, I'll see these images or
(23:02):
shapes come out.
And when I, it's almost like I,it's almost like slow art.
The work actually comes throughfast.
The part that's slow is sittingwith it and reading it and
energetically sort ofunderstanding, okay, now, what
is it saying?
And so that's where I'll kindof look at a piece and go oh my
gosh, do you see all the circlesin here?
(23:22):
Circles are all about allowing,they're about completion.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So is that the interpretation comes after the
painting?
Then yeah, so you just channelthrough and then you sit with
and interpret.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
that's exactly right yep so fucking cool and there
might be like a title or theremight be a couple of thoughts or
feelings that are I mean,obviously that are coming
through while I'm doing the work.
But, like you just said, a lotof the big interpretations and
bigger energies come forwardwhen I sit with it and ask, ask
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it what it's saying.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh, beautiful.
Okay, so I know that on yourwebsite, you mentioned that you
have synesthesia.
You mentioned that you haveclairsentience, but I'm hearing
a lot of clairvoyance and a lotof clairaudience in you as well.
So I like from the words thatyou're using.
You have a whole symphony ofsituations that are happening
(24:18):
all at the same time, and thatis so cool.
So let's not sell ourselvesshort.
First of all, you're, you'reworking, you're in the channel,
you're going deep and I love itso much.
So you answer the question whatdoes it look like from 2019 ish
to now?
How does it feel?
Oh, wow, that's a really greatquestion.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Thank you for asking that.
I think it is so much richerand bigger than me.
I think for a really long timeI've tried to throttle my gift
and I try to make room for it inplaces where it doesn't
necessarily need to be, and sonow it feels like I don't have
(25:03):
any control over what thepainting looks like.
It's just me being the channelthrough which the art makes it
to the canvas and in some waysit feels like I don't have to do
anything except show up and bepresent for it.
It also feels like that11-year-old kid at the library
(25:25):
digging for the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Like the things that come out ofthese paintings are deeply
spiritual and rooted in a lot ofbiblical thought and not
religious thought, but likebiblical, and that, to me, is so
interesting and makes me reallywant to understand from a
deeper level, like ourrelationship with God and, again
(25:50):
, spiritual responsibility andwhat our lives are like now,
based on things that happenedback then, and just a richer,
deeper relationship with Source,with God, with Jesus, with, I
mean, like just really going toplaces where I think people can
kind of go.
Oh, I'm not really sure aboutthat, but all right, I'll stay
(26:11):
with you.
You know, let's talk about it.
What's actually coming throughin this painting?
It's very different, verydifferent.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
That's so cool.
What it brings to mind for meis the idea of before, like
trying to make the puzzle piecefit in where you think it goes,
and then to now it's just eh,fuck it, let's play, let To now
it's just let's play, let's bemessy, let's just see what
happens, let's just see.
You know, yeah, that's trulywhere the magic is.
(26:38):
That's right, it's such a.
It takes some courage to getthere.
It takes some healing work tolet yourself just be in it and
trust that something's going tocatch you when you just leap.
Yes, how has that process beenfor you?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Really, I'm going to say scary and not scary at the
same time.
I left corporate at the end of2019.
After painting for about two orthree years, I think, I felt
that nudge to leave when I got apromotion and my first solo
show on the same day.
That's amazing.
(27:20):
It was so irritating.
Honestly, I was so mad, I wasso angry.
I was like what the hell?
God?
It was like here's this, youknow more money than you've ever
made in your entire life and abuttload of new responsibility.
And then it was like oh hey,heather, we would love to have
your work in our space for aFirst Friday event.
And blah, blah, blah.
(27:40):
And I remember going like, ohmy, I think that was when I had
the awareness of what expansiveand restrictive was, because the
art show felt expansive and thepromotion felt restrictive and
my gut was like yep, yeah, andthat was a really.
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I was irritated because I feltlike I was sending mixed
messages to the universe and itresponded in kind you know and
very loudly and specificallythank you for that.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
How did you?
How, from that moment, fromthat day, to actually making the
decision, what?
What's the time gap there?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, I think that that was probably about a full
year later.
I had decided that I would givemy notice in September but plan
to work out through the end ofthe year, because I didn't want
to leave anybody in the lurch.
And I also felt like I stillneeded to kind of figure out
like I wasn't making near asmuch money as I was in my
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corporate job and I was reallyworried about that, because
leaving behind corporate isleaving behind your 401k and
your paycheck every two weeksand these amazing benefits.
But also, you know, you findyourself, I found myself in the
space of working really, reallyhard to keep all of those things
that I was then having to go tothe doctor for, to pay for all
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you know, like all the healthissues that I was developing as
a result of all of that stress,and so it felt really scary to
leave all of that behind.
But I went in to tell my bossthat I was giving my notice and
no sooner did the words leave mymouth that he said Okay, great,
let's go tell your team.
And it was like the universejust squeezed me out, because at
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that point he didn't even giveme a chance to say but I'll work
through.
He just told the team andwithin two weeks I was, you know
, wearing eight hats as abusiness owner.
Wow.
So I felt like the universe hadto kick me out or I never would
have left, honestly, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That sounds like a very common experience this year
, with a lot of people beinglaid off, being fired, being let
go, you know, in whatevercapacity that looks like being
laid off, being fired, being letgo.
You know, in whatever capacitythat looks like what?
What would you say to peoplewho are in corporate right now
and who see or feel?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
you know the imminent chopping block.
You know, yeah, oh my gosh.
Honestly, I think what I wantto say is come hell or high
water, put yourself first,because so many of us are giving
ourselves away to things and topeople who don't care about us
in the big ways that we need tobe cared for.
And our systems who don't, andour systems, exactly right, and
we offer up so much of ourenergy and our time and our
(30:30):
space and our you knowinvestments and and we hope that
one day will be provided forthrough them.
But I think what we're tradingoff in that instance is we're
not giving ourselves quiet time,we're not giving ourselves
space to meditate, we're notgiving ourselves places to be
healthy and we're honestly notlistening to what our spirits
(30:52):
are trying to tell us, or whatGod is trying to communicate, or
what the universe is trying tocommunicate, and it's trying to
get our attention all day, everyday, all the time, yeah, and so
, while it feels really freakingscary to be sitting in that
place where you're like I couldlose my job, I think what's the
better question to ask is likewhat is this happening?
(31:14):
For?
You don't always get tounderstand the reason why
something is happening, but youcan operate from a place of
everything is happening in myfavor and I just need to be
willing to see what it is that'strying to be communicated to me
so that I can step into thatfully aware and fully open to
whatever this experience istrying to offer, even if it
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feels really hard right now.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, really taking ownership of the situation, not
in terms of what happens to you,what happens next, but what you
want out of your experience ofliving and what you are here to
do, like what kind of impactyou're here to have on other
people.
And you can have that impact.
You know, in a coffee shop athome with your kids, or you know
in your corporate job, like,you are the impact right, you
(32:01):
are the impact right.
Yeah, that's hard, though.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It's so hard.
It's so hard I, because I stillthink you know it's scary to
not have a job, because thenyour brain starts to
catastrophize Well, what if thishappens?
And what if that happens, and Idon't know?
I feel like if you have I'mgoing to use the word faith, I
feel like if you have hope andyou believe in something that's
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operating at a higher level thanyou, at a higher frequency than
you and you and you ask forhelp and you lean into that,
that there's a reason andthere's a purpose and that you
will be provided for.
I think a lot of times weforget that we are spirits
having a human experience, andso the ego is like, oh God, I
just lost my 401k, and thespirit is like, whoa, now we can
(32:47):
go.
Wait what?
It doesn't mean it's not hard.
It just means that, like we'renot meant to, I don't think
we're meant to work for otherpeople.
I think we're meant to work forourselves in service.
We're meant to collaborate witheach other.
We're meant to understand ourgifts.
We're meant to use those giftsin service and we're meant to do
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much bigger work in the worldthan just filling in
spreadsheets.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
But that's hard.
You know, yeah, that is hard.
Is there any practical energylike tune up tools that you can
offer somebody in corporate whois on the rat race hamster wheel
who might say I don't have timefor this?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
My first go to is always just give yourself like a
minute to two of meditation inbetween meetings, like as much
as you can.
Try to just close your eyes andbreathe for a minute, because I
know the feeling and this evenhappens today too moving from
one meeting into another meetingwithout giving yourself some
space.
So if you are really strappedfor time and you can't sit in
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stillness for 10 or 15 minutes,just give yourself a couple of
minutes in between just tobreathe and kind of say what is
it that I need right now?
And try to actually listen towhat it is and be obedient to
that, because I think there's alot of wisdom in those quiet
moments that, because we're inthe rat race so often we don't
pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, totally the way I talk about it is really like
swimming.
Like when you're going for aswim it's not like you breathe a
lot at the beginning and thenyou're just out there for an
hour underwater like you can'tsustain it.
You're never designed tosustain that.
So coming up for air, even onceevery hour, is going to be
(34:35):
better than not breathing or notbeing intentional or not being
present at all ever.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Exactly Right, exactly, yep, I think it's
better to do just a little biteach day, if you can, than to do
30 minutes once a week.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You know, oh yeah, totally, and that really goes
with any habit.
You know, like eating healthyone day out of 30 is not going
to serve anyone to.
You know, give you sustained,you live your life.
That is also so hard for uslittle humans who are drowning
(35:20):
in capitalism, it's so true.
I think we're expected to bemachines and expected to
override our intuition, andthat's really by design.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, and unfortunately it's just.
It seems like that's the waywe've all just been raised.
You know, that's just the wayit's been for a long time.
And I remember, like growing up, what I always heard was we
have to work really hard, youhave to work really hard.
And there are some days wherethings come to me without me
trying at all and I'm like whatis happening here?
(35:50):
And I don't understand, becauseon the days that I bust my butt
, I feel like there's notraction, and then on the days
where I take a nap, I'm like, ohokay, thanks for this.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Ooh, I love that.
Do you have any specificstories of something epic that
happened when you just letyourself off the hook?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
for a second.
Oh, that's a great question.
I mean, even just this week.
I feel like the summer has beenso slow business wise.
It feels like people are veryuncertain, and so when people
feel uncertain, they don'treally necessarily want to buy
new artwork for their home orinvest in themselves, because
they're trying to save money forthe groceries that are out of
control right now.
(36:27):
You know, and I just kind of satand I was like, Okay, God, you
know what, I give up.
I don't know what to do anymore.
Like it is what it is.
You let me know when you needme to do something.
You know, and I think it waslike Tuesday or Wednesday, I had
three people call me to come dospirit portraits for them, and
(36:48):
then somebody hired me to do aclass in September.
And then something elsehappened and I was like huh, all
right.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
So the surrender thing kind of works.
I guess that is a repeatedlesson, isn't it, Isn't it?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Like waving the white flag, okay.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I give up.
Okay, we're so cute, aren't we?
We think we could actuallyeffort everything into existence
when the trees and the birds inthe sky are all out here doing
it on their own.
Just fine, weird.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I think about that all the time.
I really do.
I'm like listen, nature doesn'thave to be told, it just does
its thing, you know.
And we're out here trying tothink we can outsmart God and,
honestly, what is wrong, what isgoing on?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Sometimes it's the only thing that's keeping me
sane at this point, because,looking around, I'm like, okay,
I am just one person, I can onlydo what's right in front of me,
but if we're all doing what'sright in front of us and
collaborating and workingtogether, then big things can
actually happen.
And when there's miraclesinvolved, big things can
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actually happen.
I'm not a student of the Coursein Miracles, but I saw on your
website that you are.
My mom is as well, and she'salways talking about different
things that she's learning there, and she said the other day
that there is no differencebetween a small miracle and a
big miracle, that it's just aseasy to do the small as the big.
Yeah, and that's such a relief.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Can we just like how I picture it in my own
meditation, like I put I imagineGod, spirit, angels, everybody
just having a basket for me tofill up and I'm like, okay,
here's my kids, here's my house,here's my bank account, here's
Gaza, here's LA, here's Trump,here's my house, here's my bank
account, here's gaza, here's la,here's trump, here's the white
house, like everything.
I'm just putting it all inthere, like at some point I'm
literally putting the entireearth like here you go, I can't,
(38:44):
I cannot anymore, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
It feels much better it does, it does right, even
just in your imagination or yourmeditation, your visualization.
You, you hand something off.
I think there's a lot of powerin that, because you take your
hands off of it and you say thisis not my problem to solve, but
it is on my heart and it's onmy mind, but I need you to
please take it.
(39:08):
And I love that idea of justputting it in the basket, like,
can you just take this for me?
It'd be really great.
I've also started at night,when I go to sleep, I ask God to
just sleep with me at night.
I'm like can you just, can youjust come lay with me tonight?
I'm having a hard time fallingasleep.
Almost always, I instantly fallasleep and um, and I sleep
through the night on thosenights too, which is so nice.
(39:28):
So yeah, I don't think there'sany difference between a big or
a small miracle.
I think they're all.
I think it's all a miracle.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I think so too.
I think so too, and you justactually hit something for me,
because I have a practice withmy two kids I have a five and a
10 year old and what I do forthem which is I've never seen
anybody else do but I kind ofoutline a heart and then I zip
them up in the bubble of a heartand I just I trace it and I zip
it up and lock it at the top,and I do it for both of them,
(39:55):
but I don't do it for myself.
So isn't that funny how we allhave our own thing that we just
forget to do for ourselves, likeI will, I will put so much
sunscreen on those kids andforget to put mine on.
Or like get your you knowjacket, change of clothes and
wing it, you know, for myself.
And so I'm calling myself outand calling all the parents out
there, out, let's.
(40:16):
Oh funny, my little microphoneamp right here.
It says focus right.
Yes, I should focus right.
Thank you, called out in realtime, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I love that.
I love that concept of puttinga heart around and zipping it up
.
I think that's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Thank, you Thanks.
Guides.
You tell me what to do all thetime.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
That's so good, that's so so good.
Yeah, I'd, like you said, Ithink we're always being
communicated to and that messagethat you just got, like there
are messages all around us allthe time.
I think nature is especiallygood at delivering messages to
us and and just being you know,just being aware of it, you're
not going to get them all.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I imagine that most of the time, my guides are like
I think it's so funny to imaginethem like that, like I, well,
okay, there's there's so manythings that I haven't explored
in spirituality.
There's like the witchcraft andthe deity work and all this
(41:19):
other stuff and I just don'tfeel very called to it myself.
It's not my bag, but like thereare so many different entities
that you could connect with andI feel like it's just, it's just
our human brains trying tounderstand and label a strand of
infinite energy that we canconnect with and we all fit in
(41:39):
different places.
What do you think I?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
agree, I agree.
I think whatever helps you feelconnected to higher
consciousness and, again, thatspiritual responsibility, we are
all one, we're all connected,we're all part of something
bigger.
There's no question in my mind.
So, whatever it is the God ofyour understanding, your guides,
your angels, your, whatever itis as long as you have that
(42:04):
connection, as long as thatgives you peace and it and it
guides you in a way that bringslight and love into the world,
then I think that's a good thing.
For me it's God, but for otherpeople it might be something
different.
But whatever it is, it's just,it's whatever your heart feels
called to.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
And you touched too on the lawof one right there, which I feel
like is the perfect entry pointto like spiritual bypassing,
because I don't see, in auniverse of the law of one, how
we could ever ignore anything.
Yeah, because I mean, if we areignoring our own shadow, for
(42:47):
example, then we're only doinghalf of the work and we're
ignoring an entire side ofourselves that exists and needs
attention, kindness, presenceand love also.
And if we are one which we are,how can I, as a soul level,
human, ignore, bypass, turn ablind eye to anything?
(43:11):
Anything, yeah, but then, atthe same time, anything,
anything, yeah, but then at thesame time, it's also a lot,
especially right now, becausewe're so aware of everything
happening.
So, from your perspective, howdo we navigate that in this time
?
Cause we weren't always awareof all the things happening, but
it doesn't mean that theyweren't happening.
(43:31):
So this is a very unique timeto be here.
So what does that mean to you?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I think that's such a powerful question.
I've been thinking about this alot because we do have the
ability to consume so muchinformation about what's
happening in our ownneighborhoods and across the
world, and it is overwhelmingand it is really hard to see.
And it's also, I think itcreates I know it creates in me
(44:02):
this feeling of oh my gosh, Iwant to do everything I can to
help as many people in places asI can, but I also recognize
that I'm only one person.
What am I even going to be ableto do, or how am I even going
to be able to help here?
And I think that then cancreate in me a cycle of I'm not
doing enough.
I'm not doing enough, I'm notdoing enough.
(44:25):
And that causes me so muchanxiety, right, because I think
that's the really hard part.
I feel like what I've beenreally thinking about lately is
like this idea of spiritualhousekeeping, right, like before
I go to bed at night, thinkingabout like what did I do today
that was helpful to other peoplein my community, in my and not
just like my, you knowneighborhood, but in my
community of grace, the peoplethat I support, who are part of
(44:48):
my spiritual community?
What did I do to support them?
Is there anything left in myglass you know like?
Is there anything left in theglass that hasn know like?
Is there anything left in theglass that hasn't been said or
that maybe I didn't feel toogood about?
That I want to ask forforgiveness for, or that I want
to forgive someone for?
So spiritual housekeeping isfor me, before I close my eyes
at night, going like is thereanything I could have done to be
(45:11):
a better person today, and isthere anything that I want to
let go of before I go to sleep?
Because I think, like I said,we are only capable of doing so
much, and so we have to sort ofbe responsible for our side of
the street first and then beingable to offer our gifts out in
the world in whatever way we can.
(45:31):
So if you're an animal lover,maybe you're doing something in
your community to help withanimals who are in shelters
right now.
If you are somebody who caresabout feeding children over the
summer, maybe you find extraways of volunteering at a food
kitchen so that you make surethat those kids get meals or
something.
So I think it's very easy toget consumed by all the things
(45:53):
that are going on, but I alsothink God doesn't.
I don't think God expects us tofix all of that.
I think he just wants us to go.
You know what?
I see somebody who needs help.
I have the means to help them.
It just so happens I have themeans to help them.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Let me go do that thing, and um and we do what we
can you know yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Otherwise I think we'd get exhausted trying to do
everything.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Absolutely, and that even tips into eco right there
as well.
Like we're not here to save theentire world, like that's not,
that's not in the jobdescription.
But can we do everything we canand also learn how to balance
that with taking care ofourselves, because that is also
in our job description is totake care of ourselves and the
people who actually count on usto be filled up.
Um, that's a lot, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
As it is in a regular day, right, exactly Right.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
I know she's even talking about it.
It's like what did we?
What did who?
Who picked this lifetime?
Who?
Who do I talk to?
Who do?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I love it right, heather, I know and there I hear
it all the time too on TikTokit's like you picked this life,
you chose to be here at thistime for this specific reason,
and sometimes I'm like, yeah,okay, that sounds really good.
And then other times I'm likeoh, oh why?
Speaker 1 (47:13):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I got in the wrong line, but I think that's true.
I think that's true.
What a unique life that we'reliving.
You know, I think about I'm 44.
I'll be 45 this year.
I was eight years old when theChallenger explosion happened.
I was 21 when 9-11 happened.
I think about, like we livedthrough COVID, We've lived
(47:36):
through so many.
I'm like, oh, all right, God,what is what's next?
You know, I'm afraid to ask.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
I don't want to know if you had told me in 2019,
cause I was I was pregnant withmy second and he's he's due on
February, in February 2020.
If I had known then what wascoming, like we would have all
just been catatonic and justchecked out of life at that
point, like, and that's not evenyou know as bad as it's gotten.
(48:05):
So that actually is the perfectsegue into another question as
an energetic practitioner, as apsychic, do you get downloads
and hints of what's coming, ordo you just get here's what to
do right now?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Like how does that work for you?
That's a really good question.
I honestly I have never triedto look.
I mean, you know this too frombeing on TikTok.
There are so many people outthere who are like here's what's
coming down the road and I loveto watch them because I'm
always like, wow, I'm so curiousif this is going to be accurate
or not.
I think for me, like you said,with the COVID thing, I'd almost
(48:42):
rather not know.
I feel like you know that firsttwo weeks of COVID, when they
said you're going to have tohomeschool your kids for two
weeks, it's just two weeks, it'sfine, I thought, oh, I don't
know how I'm going to getthrough these two weeks, two and
a half five, you know, fiveyears later, what a ride, I
(49:02):
think, for me.
I think back to when I was alittle kid, like I was always
really consumed by the idea ofwar and very scared of war and I
thought about nuclear war allthe time.
I was just like this kid, Ithink.
Maybe maybe at the time I wassort of tuning into things and
(49:23):
didn't quite know what it wasand was like.
This is really big and reallyscary to me, and so I wonder if
that's one of the reasons I trynot to look, because I feel like
maybe I saw some stuff that Iwas like um, that's not for me,
let's go back to art and color,let's play with some crayons.
(49:44):
No, but I do notice consistencyin what I see where people are
stuck, and so I think, from acollective level, there are, I
think, energy, I think likecollective energy blockages for
a lot of women.
They're blocked in their throatand their hearts, you know, and
we're seeing this likeunfurling of the throat chakra,
with women now who are steppinginto these places and standing
(50:07):
in their power.
And what a time to be alive,because you know, women are
angry and good, you know.
So I see, I see some of that,but I really I.
It doesn't really become superclear to me until I've seen it a
couple of times, and then Ikind of go oh wait, a second,
this must be happening, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, I made a tick tock this week that I was having
some hip issues and I had to goin and rebalance a whole bunch
of stuff and do some energeticwork on it and it was like girl,
it was deep and it was loud, itwas a lot, but it was like I
know that some of this is mine,but I also know that not all of
this is mine, and so I was ableto go in and do a lot of work
(50:47):
and do a lot of shifting inservice of my own life and also
the collective my own life andalso the collective.
And I feel like so many of uspersonalize everything, so many
things, and make it about us andabout our timeline, about our
family, about our dynamic, aboutour individual situation, when
so many, you know, crash outs orback pains or sore throats or
(51:12):
anything like that also can bean invitation to do some work
for the collective as well.
And we were talking before wehit record about how we don't
know how people are just raw dogin life right now, without
spiritual tools and like beingable to, like transmute energy
and work with things and be incommunion with their team at all
, and I'm wondering how has thatshown up for you?
(51:35):
Are you feeling sticky?
Are you having a hard time?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, I do notice that.
That kind of thing, like I'llnotice when, especially when it
interrupts my sleep, I feel likewhen I wake up in the middle of
the night sometimes.
There was, I think, two orthree nights last week where I
woke up at 430 in the morningand I was, I was like what is
this about, rude?
What is that?
(52:05):
Seriously?
That's why the bags, you know,yeah, I do notice that stuff.
I do feel energeticallyoverloaded at times and I worked
with this wonderful healer.
She can tune into your body andfeel energetically where things
are stuck and she can, like,pull them out.
She's remarkable.
And the other day she's likeyou got something in your throat
, you got to get it out.
And I was like, what is it?
She goes, I don't know, butyou're real mad about it.
And I was like, oh.
So she said I said, well, whatdo I have to do?
(52:27):
And she said you need to writeit and just write whatever comes
up and then you need to burn itand transmute it back into into
love.
And I was like, okay, and I wassitting here and I got pulled
into work and I was emailingsomething and all of a sudden I
thought there's nothing moreimportant than getting this
energy out of my body, and so Iinstantly stopped, started
(52:50):
writing and then went down andburned it, and you able to tap
in and get into what it was thatyou were angry about and kind
of dig around in there.
Yeah, I think so.
And what was interesting thisis so funny too I came
downstairs and my son was downthere and I said I gotta, I
gotta go burn this writing thatI just did.
He's 12 and he's like oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
And.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I go anything you want to release and let go up.
And he's like, oh, okay, and Igo anything you want to release
and let go up.
And he's like, sure, so hescribbled something down on
paper.
Oh, I love that so much.
I was like, come on, let's goburn it.
Well, of course, his just likeand gone and mine was like I had
to light it three times.
How funny, I know.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
It's so funny.
Of course it did.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Of course, and I said what did you write about?
And he goes.
I don't think I have to tellyou what I wrote about, but it
burned up pretty fast.
I was like cool, You're a cooldude, Good job.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
I'm so happy we're on the parenting squad together
because, I mean, just this issuch a reason that I have so
much hope, because we as adultsare doing so much work.
We've been healing our lineage,we've been connecting with
energy.
In the present time, we areinvesting in the future
generation and teaching them thelanguaging for all of these
(54:01):
things and how to recognizetheir abilities and how to
differentiate their own energyfrom somebody else's and think
about things critically.
We are doing so much work.
Let me just say I don't see areality where all of that is for
nothing.
We are doing so much work.
Let me just say I don't see areality where all of that is for
nothing.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Right, I was just going to say we are doing a
really good job.
You're doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
I agree, we're doing amazing, we're doing a good job.
We're doing the best that wecan.
I'm patting myself on the backright now, right, good job.
We're doing the best that wecan, right.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
I'm patting myself on the back right now, Trying to
raise conscious humans, tryingto teach them how to not should
all over themselves, trying toundo the patterns that I know I
was taught and then trying tounwind those in myself so that
he doesn't get stuck with it.
So it's hard work and I dothink that we deserve a little
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pat on the back sometimes.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
And let's throw two more layers of awesome on there.
Then we also have perimenopause, and then we also are a
sandwich generation, which, formany of us, we're also
reparenting the oldergenerations as well, you know.
So pats on the back right.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Pats on the back.
Pats on the back, yes, yes,actually, that's one thing too
that I think we can all get alittle better at is just, I know
for me, just celebrating littlethings.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
We made it through the day.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
I'm amazing Because, honestly, there are some days
where you're like what the heckis going on here, and so the
fact that you just you know youdid a thing today, you showed up
, you put on pants.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
You know, well done, Well done.
I have pants on.
Do you understand what a winthat is?
Since covid, since covid, oh mygosh, you actually have to go
back and listen to an episode Idid with peyton dale.
She's a stylist on tiktok andshe's amazing.
Her whole thing is did you getdressed today?
Oh, I love that it's 11 o'clock, did you?
Are you dressed?
(56:14):
I'm like oh thank you, thank you, because it really, like
getting dressed is a big deal.
It is, it's an investment, it'senergy, it's it's intention.
Do you watch the show the bear?
Speaker 2 (56:25):
yes, love oh, we just started watching it.
So we're in season two and wejust finished the episode called
forks where Richie gets thestage job at the kitchen and
then he starts wearing suits andI just cried that whole episode
, I know.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
I know To see him from the beginning to the end,
you're like wow.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
But it's true, His whole energy changed.
I mean talk about a characterarc.
His whole energy changed.
He respects himself now.
He respects the work.
He's a better team player.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
And he understands it .
I mean yes.
And he feels so seen andvaluable.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yes, oh.
So that's good stuff, that'sreally good stuff, even a
fictional character.
Stories like that just make mego.
We can change, we can, we can.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
Mm-hmm, that just make me go.
We can change, we can, we can,we can.
And my guides speak to me a lotthrough media as well, so
they're always dropping innuggets all through songs and
Disney movies and shows and Imean it's everywhere, right, I
love that little nugget foreverybody listening.
You absolutely can go insideout, like connect with
spirituality and get a lot ofinsights there.
But you can also start goingoutside in, like what do you
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want to wear today?
What do you feel like eatingtoday?
If you're coloring, what colorare you drawn to?
There's so many ways to comehome to yourself and just giving
yourself the space to feel intoor think about or look into all
the little ins that we have tomake all those decisions and
really give ourselves the timeand space and honoring of what
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do we want?
Beautiful, perfect entry pointto power.
Yay, heather, I'm not going tokeep you for too much longer
because I feel like we couldjust, you know, have a girl's
night forever.
Where can we find you?
Where can people work with you?
Speaker 2 (58:27):
Oh, thank you for asking.
You can find me online atheatherackcom and you can find
me on all the socials, really atHeatherack artist.
Yay, and you have a podcast too.
Oh, that's right, I do.
It's called your Radiant Spiritand you'll be a guest on there
soon.
I can't wait to interview you.
We'll flip the mics, yay.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Can't wait to connect with everybody.
Please reach out and say hi.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yes, yes, yes.
Thank you, heather.
I am so happy we finally got tohave this conversation.
It's such important work thatyou're doing all of us out here,
everybody who's on our squad.
Can you just give us a hello,because it really feels nice
when people are like yeah, metoo.
Thank you, heather.
Thank you for listening to SoulLevel Human.
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So until next time, remember toslow down, tune in, trust your
guidance and keep having theaudacity to choose the highest
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timeline.
When you show up fully, yougive others permission to do the
same.
Make this the timeline whereyou show up.
Next up on Soul Level , human, we get a huge countdown
.
When we first start and we'relike, oh hi, we're going, we're
going, it's right now.
It kind of feels like that'swhat life is throwing at us
right now, doesn't it?
The big giant countdown.
Three, two, one, let's go, it'sgo time.
Ready or not?
Yeah, really Ready or not?
(00:21):
Here we come.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Then I noticed that people would come into my office
and pick up crystals and rocksoff my desk and they would sit
and hold them and talk to meabout things that were not HR
related.
And I started to notice likeauras around people and at the
end of 2019, officially steppedout of corporate to do this work
full time Wow, I would lay onmy floor and draw what music
looked like to me.
I had synesthesia, which is acondition in your mind where
(00:51):
your signals cross.
There are over 80 differentforms of it.
For me, it comes through asound to color or sound to shape
or taste.
When I take in a sense, in mymind it shows up as a
choreography of movement andcolor and shape.
As a little kid, I didn'treally know what it was called
(01:12):
and I didn't really have thevocabulary to describe it.
I think I just assumed thateverybody had that too.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You didn't come here to play safe.
You came to remember your powerand build what comes next.
I'm Sylvia Beatriz, psychicmedium and intuition coach, and
this is Soul Level Human, thepodcast for truth-tellers, cycle
breakers and soul-ledrevolutionaries.
You didn't come here to bypassthe chaos.
You came here to lead throughit.
(01:44):
Today's guest is Heather Eck, aformer corporate HR leader,
turned intuitive artist, energyworker and spiritual coach.
Heather has synesthesia, whichmeans she literally sees sound,
and she uses that gift to createcustom intuitive paintings that
serve as a mirror of herclient's current spiritual state
.
These spirit portraits become amap for healing, release and
(02:08):
transformation.
We talk about what it means tostep fully into your calling,
how to navigate burnout and whyspiritual responsibility is
non-negotiable in a time likethis.
We also get into her personalstory how she left corporate
after receiving a promotion andher first solo art show on the
same day.
Talk about a cosmic fork in theroad.
(02:31):
If you've ever felt like youdon't quite fit the mold of any
career path out there, or ifyou're just exhausted by the
push pull of purpose versuspracticality, this one is for
you.
Let's dive in.
Thank you for coming on,heather.
I'm so happy to finallyofficially meet you.
Yeah, same.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Thank you for having me.
It's nice to see you in personoutside of the socials.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, isn't that wild .
I feel like we know each otheralready.
We are in the same businessprogram, we both are with James
Wedmore and we're part of hiscommunities.
And can I just say I'm obsessedwith your website and your
branding and I see the flow,girl, I see what you're doing, I
see the care, I see theintentionality, snaps.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Thank you so much.
Yeah, I appreciate that becauseI know you know that you start
to put something out there andthen something changes and then
you have to update everythingand at the end of the day, I
just want it to all feelcohesive and somebody lands
there.
They know what to do.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And it's a living, breathing thing.
We are both energeticpractitioners and we have a very
grounded and rooted backgroundin how we approach things, so I
feel like that's such a missingpiece of the puzzle when it
comes to the airy fairyspiritual approach to things,
don't you think?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Totally.
Yeah, I often say that too,like as an artist.
I've met a lot of artists whenI worked in games who were
brilliant illustrators and artdesigners who could not fill out
their new hire paperwork, andso I think it's so interesting
when you have somebody like mewho came from corporate, who is
(04:16):
also an artist and lives in thatspiritual space.
I use so many spreadsheets inmy world.
It's like the two things cametogether to create.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
That's a very particular skill set.
I hate spreadsheets.
How do you do it?
My dad's a math retired now buthe's a math professor, so I was
like in calculus by junior yearof high school.
So like my brain can, it can dothe thing.
But I don't like it and I don'twant to.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I know I'm the same way.
I think I lean a lot on theskills I developed in corporate.
Sometimes I think it's easierfor me to lean into that world
than it is to step into thespiritual space, sometimes
because it's a known.
It's a known thing, so I cansometimes keep myself there.
Yeah, and then go okay, come on, come on.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh, that's fascinating.
Okay, let's start at the verybeginning.
Let's do a little sound ofmusic moment for myself right
now.
Tell me, how did you stumbleinto all of this stuff, like was
it something that you alwayshad?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
You tell me yeah, that's a great question it is.
It was with me when I was alittle kid.
I was a very spiritual kid.
I was always like dabbling inastrology and reading books
about the mysteries of theunexplained and I was always
asking my dad questions aboutare aliens real?
Like I think I just came intothis world very curious about
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the mysteries of the universeand wanted to understand that
from a really young age and Iwas very creative kid and was
always sketching and drawing andsinging songs and writing music
and I would lay on my floor anddraw what music looked like to
me.
And so I think that I had thesynesthesia, which is like a
(06:01):
condition in your mind whereyour signals cross, where
essentially, like, there areover 80 different forms of it.
For me it comes through a soundto color or sound to shape or
taste.
When I take in a sense, in mymind it shows up as a
choreography of movement andcolor and shape, and that was
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with me, I think, as a littlekid.
I didn't really know what itwas called and I didn't really
have the vocabulary to describeit.
I think I just assumed thateverybody had that too and that
was just me.
But I set about to pursue humanresources because your parents
are like you can't be an artistbecause there's no money in that
(06:43):
, so go do something else.
Right like you can't be anartist because there's no money
in that, so go do something else.
Right the spreadsheet.
So I went into human resourcesfor almost 20 years and then
found myself like dabbling incollecting as many
certifications as I possiblycould, going to as many classes
as I could.
I started and ended so manylittle small businesses and
creative spaces.
(07:04):
And then, when we moved from NewJersey down to North Carolina
in 2014, I started working witha spiritual teacher and she
helped me see.
You know, your gifts show upwhen you're young.
They've always been around you.
The things that you wereinterested in as a little kid
are actually like where yourgifts live.
And as soon as she said that tome, it was like this light bulb
(07:25):
went off and I went oh, I'm anartist.
It was like it came floodingback in.
You know, like?
And then I started to getreally angry because I thought
I've spent all this time sittingbehind this desk.
I hate this.
I really.
You know, I think for a lot ofus, we move into places where we
think we're supposed to be andwe don't realize the shoulds we
(07:48):
should all over ourselves rightTotally and we don't realize
that we're building up thisanger and resentment about where
we should be.
And so I found myself reallyangry and really tired and the
kind of tired that, like noamount of time off was going to
fix.
And so I started painting againand I started stepping into my
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spiritual gifts and I noticedthat people would come into my
office and pick up crystals androcks off my desk and they would
sit and hold them and talk tome about things that were not HR
related, and I started tonotice like auras around people
and then I decided that I neededto get out of that space and at
(08:30):
the end of 2019, officiallystepped out of corporate to do
this work full time.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Wow, wow, gosh, what a reflection of like it's always
been there, it's right underyour nose.
For myself, growing up, I wasalways that odd man out, square,
peg, round hole kind of person.
Like I was like I don't fitanywhere, I don't like.
I'm looking at all the littlecareer books and nothing feels
like me, you know.
(08:56):
And it turns out I mean, thisis not a job description that
was just readily available inthe career books, right, exactly
.
And what do you do with that?
Especially back then, nobodywas talking about this stuff.
Back then, like this is liketotally fringe, very strange,
very, very out there.
And I'm so amazed that peoplewere gravitating to you, even
(09:19):
without you claiming it oradvertising it or anything, and
it was just a matter of energyalready setting things up for
you.
That's so cool.
Did you have any experiences asa kid where you would try to
articulate the synesthesia orthe experiences that you were
having?
That's a really good question.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I think you know, when I look back at that time I
remember just having this likeinsatiable curiosity about the
bigger world around me.
You know like we would go tothe library and I remember just
gravitating over to like thespiritual, religious books and
every normal kid does right, Isthat not?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Is that not a thing?
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I'm like, I'm like 11 years old and I'm like, yeah,
I'll forget about those.
I want to look at these Like.
I remember pulling out a bookon the Dead Sea Scrolls one time
and my mom was like, um, maybesomething else.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's funny.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
But my dad was always really curious about it and in
our house we talked about likethe other side and we would talk
about ghosts and we would talkabout spirits and like nobody.
Nobody really pushed that awaybecause I think my mom and dad
had had their own experiencesand so I had.
You know, there's these momentsfrom childhood that I would
remember asking my mom and dadlike I would have a sensation
(10:43):
where everything was speeding upand everything was slowing down
and that I would havesensations in my body that felt
like, okay, you know, when youhave a bushel of grapes and you
take the grape off and it's gotthe little pointy end that has
been the stem has been in thegrape, I would have sensations
in my body of the stems, like onmy skin, and I never really
(11:04):
knew what that was, but I couldsort of I would feel and I
wonder, looking back at that now, if that was me reading energy
at the time and I didn't knowwhat was happening.
Because now, as an adult, youthink so- yeah, do you still?
have that feeling now?
No, but it's similar to like ifI meet somebody whose energy
(11:28):
doesn't resonate with me orthere's something about them
that I just am not sure of.
I experience them as prickly oras pointy or something, so I
wondered if that was what wascoming through at the time.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean that makes total sense too, Because I mean,
since now you're keyed into theenergy and you know yourself so
much better as an adult, youknow you don't need the like the
hit me over the head sign of it.
Right, Right, Like back then,everything is so new.
In order to notice it, Like theproprioception and things like
that, you need a very loud input.
(12:03):
Right, so that makes perfectsense that it was so distinct.
And so what hand motion is thisSpecific right so obvious for
you to actually track it andnotice it?
And now it can be so much moresubtle.
That's so fascinating.
Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I don't know if you had this when you were a kid,
like, did you ever see yourselfflying?
Or did you ever see yourselfmoving around?
Like, yeah, those things wouldhappen to me.
I was like, oh, I'm watchingmyself fly up the stairs, but I
was sitting there.
But I in my mind, I don't knowthose like bizarre things that
you experience as a kid, whereyou have no vocabulary for
(12:41):
what's happening, and then, asyou become an adult and you
start to realize, oh, actually,whatever the spiritual gift is,
it's been with me for a verylong time.
I just packed it up in a littlebox and stuffed it way, way
down until you have somethingthat happens and you have to
lean into it.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So, yeah, weird little things from childhood,
yeah, it's such a bummer to thatthat just back then these
conversations weren't being had,because I remember trying to
talk to my friends about it.
Like you know that feelingwhere, like you know you're here
but you're not here, but like Ididn't have the words for that,
and it's like I can conjurethat feeling even now, like it
(13:20):
was.
It's just like this out of body, like awareness that you're
this person this time and youare in a body and you're here.
It's like it's an acid trip.
Basically is what I'mdescribing, but I've never been
on acid.
Like I can access all of thiswith zero drugs, wild, right.
(13:42):
And so how do you articulatethat?
As a you know, five-year-old,you can't.
And then, of course, all myfriends were like, yeah, you're
weird.
No, no, I don't know thatfeeling.
And so, yeah, like you said,you just stuff it down and then
you just put it on a shelf anddecide, well, I guess I'm just
weird and I'm so glad there's somany other weirds out there now
(14:03):
, thank God, right, because it'ssame same.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I was really unsure where I fit in in the world and
I think I had.
You know, everybody has like acore wound right.
Mine has always been acceptance, like I.
I'm like I don't know who I fitwith.
I must not be acceptable.
And it was just because I thinkI felt things so deeply.
I was one of those verysensitive kids that people
(14:29):
didn't quite know how to be withme, I guess because I just
wasn't you know, I was just verysensitive.
Now I think that sensitivity issomething that attracts people
to me, but at the time it waslike oh my God, she's crying
again.
God, she's so sensitive, she'sso shy.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Here we go again, yeah, and then you internalize
all of that, right, becausepeople say so much off the cuff
they don't think twice aboutwhat they say around their kids
or whatever, right?
But it's so foundational to whowe end up being and all the
weeds that we have to siftthrough trying to come back home
to ourselves ultimately.
And so how do you help othersin that process of coming home
(15:10):
to themselves?
Because if you've been throughit, then you know the terrain,
but it's not going to lookexactly like yours.
So how do you do it?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, that's a beautiful question.
I think what is interestingabout the way that I work with
people now is in being able tosort of put their energy on like
a jacket.
I have strong clairsentience,so I feel a lot, you probably
know.
Like you walk into a room, youkind of know what's happening in
that space or what has happenedin that space.
(15:39):
When I sit with somebody, Iunderstand what's the spiritual
undercurrent or issue thatthey're going through, that's
affecting them at an energeticlevel physical, emotional or
spiritual and so I often createa painting for them that's
called a spirit portrait.
That's sort of like a mirror oftheir energy at the moment and
it offers them a map out of thatpain into healing.
(16:01):
And so cool, thank you, thankyou.
So I really I seek, I seekcolor.
That artistic, colorful aspectof my childhood is still very
present with me and I see coloraround people and that color
gives me information that then Ican use to help work with them.
(16:21):
And I do that through this kindof container of here's where
you're starting with your spiritportrait, here's where you are,
your spirit portrait, here'swhere you are.
And we were going to work withyou through therapeutic arts,
somatic exercises, all differentkinds of modalities to help you
unblock that get unstuck,restore your understanding of
(16:41):
yourself from a spiritualperspective, and then we do a
final spirit portrait at the endthat shows where they are today
.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Oh, that is so cool.
I love how you just you weaveso many things that you can do
all together into your ownsignature experience.
Like again, this is not in acareer book, career fair, like
that's not a thing.
But that's so cool because youhave your own entry point.
I love that you use the metaphorof putting on a jacket, because
(17:09):
that communicates volumes andjust that idea, like you can you
can quote, unquote, picturewhat it's like to put on a
scratchy jacket where you'rejust uncomfortable but you can
feel around and get so muchinformation just from feeling
the jacket on your body, versusa jacket that feels good and
feel soft and all it fits allthe right places.
That is such a great way to putit.
(17:31):
I love that, thank you.
But then, okay, so you havethat level.
And then you've also brought inso many modalities and
education.
Like you are trained in so manydifferent things and you can
bring in knowledge and practicesfrom so many different places.
And then I'm sure you use yourown intuition and your own
(17:52):
guidance to weave through whathits first and where we're going
next and how to best approachthe situation, and then
sandwiching in the process withanother painting.
Heather, that's exactly it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I want to hire you to do my marketing for me.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I do like to write it works out well, that's funny.
I do like to write it works outwell, that's funny, Heather.
That is so cool.
And what I love too is that itall of this stuff is so like
intangible for people, mostlylike they can kind of get it but
they don't really get it, andit's so helpful to have that 3d
(18:29):
thing that they can see, look at, feels you know, sit with to
explain it, Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, because it's
not.
It's not something that I caneasily put into a business card
and hand out to somebody, andit's woo enough that somebody's
like, wait, what, what do you donow?
But I also think that the toolsthat I use for people in the
conversations that I have reallyare meant.
I feel like all I'm doing isholding up a mirror.
(18:57):
You know, I'm holding up amirror and giving somebody
permission to see themselves asthe beautiful, radiant spirit
that they're meant to be here,and offering them permission to
make space for themselves,because a lot of times we are so
bogged down by whatever we'reconsuming in the news cycle or
just our lives and going frommeeting to meeting, and the next
(19:20):
thing, you know it's eighto'clock and you haven't had
dinner, and then you're in bedby midnight, you doom scroll,
and so this is rinse and repeat,yeah, repeat, yeah, exactly,
you know, and we are so, so manyof us are so tired, and so it's
really meant to give you toolsthat you can use to help give
you back a sense of yourself, tohelp you see yourself again and
(19:42):
actually to answer the questionlike what is it that I really
want instead of why am I stilldoing this thing that actually
makes me feel really bad, orthat's contributing to high
blood pressure, or that's makingme feel you know, some of those
things we just do when we'renot aware of what the actual
impact is on our mind, body orspirit.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then meeting people at suchan intimate level, that's
that's a large, energetic askfor you to hold.
You know how?
How do you manage your energydoing all of this stuff?
How, like, how many paintingsdo you?
How often is this?
This is crazy it is.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
It's a lot.
I want to say oh, I'm so good atmaking time for myself to
meditate and to do all thethings right, but it's like the
cobblers kids have no shoes.
You know, I have to really workat making space for myself too
and sort of practice what Ipreach right, but I think it is
limited to a certain number ofpeople because there's only so
much that I can support at onetime.
(20:42):
But I also try to really makesure that I'm a clear channel
for that person, so praying andclearing my energy, clearing my
space before I sit with thatperson's energy, so that I'm
trying to offer the cleanest andclearest information that is
for their highest and best, sothat I'm not blocking it.
And so what I have found isthat if I try to control too
(21:05):
much of the process of makingthe painting or making the
whatever, it turns out so badand I feel so icky.
But if I just sort of go okay,god, you know what does this
person need, like, let me justbe the clear channel through
which it flows, then I just letwhatever it looks like.
That's what it looks like andthat's when I get the clearest
(21:26):
understanding of how I can helpsupport them.
But it's a really beautiful,fascinating thing, and I think
what I like about the spiritportraits is that that is like a
Polaroid of your spirit.
It's such a quick snapshot ofwhere you are.
The larger pieces that I dothat are like the bigger
abstracts are really like anexploration of bigger ideas that
(21:46):
are out in the world today.
Like I'm really honed in onthis idea of spiritual
responsibility at the momentbecause oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, let's go there, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Right.
Like yeah it's so important and, and I think it's almost like a
glass shattering moment, Likeonce you have an understanding
of spirit.
You can't right Like you can'tunsee it, you can't unring the
bell.
You know every other analogyyou can think of.
Then, all of a sudden, it'slike okay, now you have a
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responsibility and you can't put, you can't walk it back.
Yes, and so that's.
That's what I'm exploring nowin in my work.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Have you seen an evolution of your work from, say
, 2018-19 pre-COVID to now?
Like?
What does that look likevisually?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh, that's a great question.
I think, visually, the workfelt very, I would say, like
constricted in a way.
I don't think I reallyunderstood.
You know, I would do a paintingin the early days and I'd be
like, oh, this painting's blue,white and gold.
That's about the throat, that'sabout the spirit, that's about
abundance.
And now and now, when I sit towork, I'll see these images or
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shapes come out.
And when I, it's almost like I,it's almost like slow art.
The work actually comes throughfast.
The part that's slow is sittingwith it and reading it and
energetically sort ofunderstanding, okay, now, what
is it saying?
And so that's where I'll kindof look at a piece and go oh my
gosh, do you see all the circlesin here?
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Circles are all about allowing,they're about completion.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So is that the interpretation comes after the
painting?
Then yeah, so you just channelthrough and then you sit with
and interpret.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
that's exactly right yep so fucking cool and there
might be like a title or theremight be a couple of thoughts or
feelings that are I mean,obviously that are coming
through while I'm doing the work.
But, like you just said, a lotof the big interpretations and
bigger energies come forwardwhen I sit with it and ask, ask
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it what it's saying.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh, beautiful.
Okay, so I know that on yourwebsite, you mentioned that you
have synesthesia.
You mentioned that you haveclairsentience, but I'm hearing
a lot of clairvoyance and a lotof clairaudience in you as well.
So I like from the words thatyou're using.
You have a whole symphony ofsituations that are happening
(24:18):
all at the same time, and thatis so cool.
So let's not sell ourselvesshort.
First of all, you're, you'reworking, you're in the channel,
you're going deep and I love itso much.
So you answer the question whatdoes it look like from 2019 ish
to now?
How does it feel?
Oh, wow, that's a really greatquestion.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Thank you for asking that.
I think it is so much richerand bigger than me.
I think for a really long timeI've tried to throttle my gift
and I try to make room for it inplaces where it doesn't
necessarily need to be, and sonow it feels like I don't have
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any control over what thepainting looks like.
It's just me being the channelthrough which the art makes it
to the canvas and in some waysit feels like I don't have to do
anything except show up and bepresent for it.
It also feels like that11-year-old kid at the library
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digging for the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Like the things that come out ofthese paintings are deeply
spiritual and rooted in a lot ofbiblical thought and not
religious thought, but likebiblical, and that, to me, is so
interesting and makes me reallywant to understand from a
deeper level, like ourrelationship with God and, again
(25:50):
, spiritual responsibility andwhat our lives are like now,
based on things that happenedback then, and just a richer,
deeper relationship with Source,with God, with Jesus, with, I
mean, like just really going toplaces where I think people can
kind of go.
Oh, I'm not really sure aboutthat, but all right, I'll stay
(26:11):
with you.
You know, let's talk about it.
What's actually coming throughin this painting?
It's very different, verydifferent.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
That's so cool.
What it brings to mind for meis the idea of before, like
trying to make the puzzle piecefit in where you think it goes,
and then to now it's just eh,fuck it, let's play, let To now
it's just let's play, let's bemessy, let's just see what
happens, let's just see.
You know, yeah, that's trulywhere the magic is.
(26:38):
That's right, it's such a.
It takes some courage to getthere.
It takes some healing work tolet yourself just be in it and
trust that something's going tocatch you when you just leap.
Yes, how has that process beenfor you?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Really, I'm going to say scary and not scary at the
same time.
I left corporate at the end of2019.
After painting for about two orthree years, I think, I felt
that nudge to leave when I got apromotion and my first solo
show on the same day.
That's amazing.
(27:20):
It was so irritating.
Honestly, I was so mad, I wasso angry.
I was like what the hell?
God?
It was like here's this, youknow more money than you've ever
made in your entire life and abuttload of new responsibility.
And then it was like oh hey,heather, we would love to have
your work in our space for aFirst Friday event.
And blah, blah, blah.
(27:40):
And I remember going like, ohmy, I think that was when I had
the awareness of what expansiveand restrictive was, because the
art show felt expansive and thepromotion felt restrictive and
my gut was like yep, yeah, andthat was a really.
(28:02):
I was irritated because I feltlike I was sending mixed
messages to the universe and itresponded in kind you know and
very loudly and specificallythank you for that.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
How did you?
How, from that moment, fromthat day, to actually making the
decision, what?
What's the time gap there?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, I think that that was probably about a full
year later.
I had decided that I would givemy notice in September but plan
to work out through the end ofthe year, because I didn't want
to leave anybody in the lurch.
And I also felt like I stillneeded to kind of figure out
like I wasn't making near asmuch money as I was in my
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corporate job and I was reallyworried about that, because
leaving behind corporate isleaving behind your 401k and
your paycheck every two weeksand these amazing benefits.
But also, you know, you findyourself, I found myself in the
space of working really, reallyhard to keep all of those things
that I was then having to go tothe doctor for, to pay for all
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you know, like all the healthissues that I was developing as
a result of all of that stress,and so it felt really scary to
leave all of that behind.
But I went in to tell my bossthat I was giving my notice and
no sooner did the words leave mymouth that he said Okay, great,
let's go tell your team.
And it was like the universejust squeezed me out, because at
(29:25):
that point he didn't even giveme a chance to say but I'll work
through.
He just told the team andwithin two weeks I was, you know
, wearing eight hats as abusiness owner.
Wow.
So I felt like the universe hadto kick me out or I never would
have left, honestly, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That sounds like a very common experience this year
, with a lot of people beinglaid off, being fired, being let
go, you know, in whatevercapacity that looks like being
laid off, being fired, being letgo.
You know, in whatever capacitythat looks like what?
What would you say to peoplewho are in corporate right now
and who see or feel?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
you know the imminent chopping block.
You know, yeah, oh my gosh.
Honestly, I think what I wantto say is come hell or high
water, put yourself first,because so many of us are giving
ourselves away to things and topeople who don't care about us
in the big ways that we need tobe cared for.
And our systems who don't, andour systems, exactly right, and
we offer up so much of ourenergy and our time and our
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space and our you knowinvestments and and we hope that
one day will be provided forthrough them.
But I think what we're tradingoff in that instance is we're
not giving ourselves quiet time,we're not giving ourselves
space to meditate, we're notgiving ourselves places to be
healthy and we're honestly notlistening to what our spirits
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are trying to tell us, or whatGod is trying to communicate, or
what the universe is trying tocommunicate, and it's trying to
get our attention all day, everyday, all the time, yeah, and so
, while it feels really freakingscary to be sitting in that
place where you're like I couldlose my job, I think what's the
better question to ask is likewhat is this happening?
(31:14):
For?
You don't always get tounderstand the reason why
something is happening, but youcan operate from a place of
everything is happening in myfavor and I just need to be
willing to see what it is that'strying to be communicated to me
so that I can step into thatfully aware and fully open to
whatever this experience istrying to offer, even if it
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feels really hard right now.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, really taking ownership of the situation, not
in terms of what happens to you,what happens next, but what you
want out of your experience ofliving and what you are here to
do, like what kind of impactyou're here to have on other
people.
And you can have that impact.
You know, in a coffee shop athome with your kids, or you know
in your corporate job, like,you are the impact right, you
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are the impact right.
Yeah, that's hard, though.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It's so hard.
It's so hard I, because I stillthink you know it's scary to
not have a job, because thenyour brain starts to
catastrophize Well, what if thishappens?
And what if that happens, and Idon't know?
I feel like if you have I'mgoing to use the word faith, I
feel like if you have hope andyou believe in something that's
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operating at a higher level thanyou, at a higher frequency than
you and you and you ask forhelp and you lean into that,
that there's a reason andthere's a purpose and that you
will be provided for.
I think a lot of times weforget that we are spirits
having a human experience, andso the ego is like, oh God, I
just lost my 401k, and thespirit is like, whoa, now we can
(32:47):
go.
Wait what?
It doesn't mean it's not hard.
It just means that, like we'renot meant to, I don't think
we're meant to work for otherpeople.
I think we're meant to work forourselves in service.
We're meant to collaborate witheach other.
We're meant to understand ourgifts.
We're meant to use those giftsin service and we're meant to do
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much bigger work in the worldthan just filling in
spreadsheets.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
But that's hard.
You know, yeah, that is hard.
Is there any practical energylike tune up tools that you can
offer somebody in corporate whois on the rat race hamster wheel
who might say I don't have timefor this?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
My first go to is always just give yourself like a
minute to two of meditation inbetween meetings, like as much
as you can.
Try to just close your eyes andbreathe for a minute, because I
know the feeling and this evenhappens today too moving from
one meeting into another meetingwithout giving yourself some
space.
So if you are really strappedfor time and you can't sit in
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stillness for 10 or 15 minutes,just give yourself a couple of
minutes in between just tobreathe and kind of say what is
it that I need right now?
And try to actually listen towhat it is and be obedient to
that, because I think there's alot of wisdom in those quiet
moments that, because we're inthe rat race so often we don't
pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, totally the way I talk about it is really like
swimming.
Like when you're going for aswim it's not like you breathe a
lot at the beginning and thenyou're just out there for an
hour underwater like you can'tsustain it.
You're never designed tosustain that.
So coming up for air, even onceevery hour, is going to be
(34:35):
better than not breathing or notbeing intentional or not being
present at all ever.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Exactly Right, exactly, yep, I think it's
better to do just a little biteach day, if you can, than to do
30 minutes once a week.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You know, oh yeah, totally, and that really goes
with any habit.
You know, like eating healthyone day out of 30 is not going
to serve anyone to.
You know, give you sustained,you live your life.
That is also so hard for uslittle humans who are drowning
(35:20):
in capitalism, it's so true.
I think we're expected to bemachines and expected to
override our intuition, andthat's really by design.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yeah, yeah, and unfortunately it's just.
It seems like that's the waywe've all just been raised.
You know, that's just the wayit's been for a long time.
And I remember, like growing up, what I always heard was we
have to work really hard, youhave to work really hard.
And there are some days wherethings come to me without me
trying at all and I'm like whatis happening here?
(35:50):
And I don't understand, becauseon the days that I bust my butt
, I feel like there's notraction, and then on the days
where I take a nap, I'm like, ohokay, thanks for this.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Ooh, I love that.
Do you have any specificstories of something epic that
happened when you just letyourself off the hook?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
for a second.
Oh, that's a great question.
I mean, even just this week.
I feel like the summer has beenso slow business wise.
It feels like people are veryuncertain, and so when people
feel uncertain, they don'treally necessarily want to buy
new artwork for their home orinvest in themselves, because
they're trying to save money forthe groceries that are out of
control right now.
(36:27):
You know, and I just kind of satand I was like, Okay, God, you
know what, I give up.
I don't know what to do anymore.
Like it is what it is.
You let me know when you needme to do something.
You know, and I think it waslike Tuesday or Wednesday, I had
three people call me to come dospirit portraits for them, and
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then somebody hired me to do aclass in September.
And then something elsehappened and I was like huh, all
right.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
So the surrender thing kind of works.
I guess that is a repeatedlesson, isn't it, Isn't it?
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Like waving the white flag, okay.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I give up.
Okay, we're so cute, aren't we?
We think we could actuallyeffort everything into existence
when the trees and the birds inthe sky are all out here doing
it on their own.
Just fine, weird.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I think about that all the time.
I really do.
I'm like listen, nature doesn'thave to be told, it just does
its thing, you know.
And we're out here trying tothink we can outsmart God and,
honestly, what is wrong, what isgoing on?
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Sometimes it's the only thing that's keeping me
sane at this point, because,looking around, I'm like, okay,
I am just one person, I can onlydo what's right in front of me,
but if we're all doing what'sright in front of us and
collaborating and workingtogether, then big things can
actually happen.
And when there's miraclesinvolved, big things can
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actually happen.
I'm not a student of the Coursein Miracles, but I saw on your
website that you are.
My mom is as well, and she'salways talking about different
things that she's learning there, and she said the other day
that there is no differencebetween a small miracle and a
big miracle, that it's just aseasy to do the small as the big.
Yeah, and that's such a relief.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Can we just like how I picture it in my own
meditation, like I put I imagineGod, spirit, angels, everybody
just having a basket for me tofill up and I'm like, okay,
here's my kids, here's my house,here's my bank account, here's
Gaza, here's LA, here's Trump,here's my house, here's my bank
account, here's gaza, here's la,here's trump, here's the white
house, like everything.
I'm just putting it all inthere, like at some point I'm
literally putting the entireearth like here you go, I can't,
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I cannot anymore, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
It feels much better it does, it does right, even
just in your imagination or yourmeditation, your visualization.
You, you hand something off.
I think there's a lot of powerin that, because you take your
hands off of it and you say thisis not my problem to solve, but
it is on my heart and it's onmy mind, but I need you to
please take it.
(39:08):
And I love that idea of justputting it in the basket, like,
can you just take this for me?
It'd be really great.
I've also started at night,when I go to sleep, I ask God to
just sleep with me at night.
I'm like can you just, can youjust come lay with me tonight?
I'm having a hard time fallingasleep.
Almost always, I instantly fallasleep and um, and I sleep
through the night on thosenights too, which is so nice.
(39:28):
So yeah, I don't think there'sany difference between a big or
a small miracle.
I think they're all.
I think it's all a miracle.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
I think so too.
I think so too, and you justactually hit something for me,
because I have a practice withmy two kids I have a five and a
10 year old and what I do forthem which is I've never seen
anybody else do but I kind ofoutline a heart and then I zip
them up in the bubble of a heartand I just I trace it and I zip
it up and lock it at the top,and I do it for both of them,
(39:55):
but I don't do it for myself.
So isn't that funny how we allhave our own thing that we just
forget to do for ourselves, likeI will, I will put so much
sunscreen on those kids andforget to put mine on.
Or like get your you knowjacket, change of clothes and
wing it, you know, for myself.
And so I'm calling myself outand calling all the parents out
there, out, let's.
(40:16):
Oh funny, my little microphoneamp right here.
It says focus right.
Yes, I should focus right.
Thank you, called out in realtime, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I love that.
I love that concept of puttinga heart around and zipping it up
.
I think that's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Thank, you Thanks.
Guides.
You tell me what to do all thetime.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
That's so good, that's so so good.
Yeah, I'd, like you said, Ithink we're always being
communicated to and that messagethat you just got, like there
are messages all around us allthe time.
I think nature is especiallygood at delivering messages to
us and and just being you know,just being aware of it, you're
not going to get them all.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I imagine that most of the time, my guides are like
I think it's so funny to imaginethem like that, like I, well,
okay, there's there's so manythings that I haven't explored
in spirituality.
There's like the witchcraft andthe deity work and all this
(41:19):
other stuff and I just don'tfeel very called to it myself.
It's not my bag, but like thereare so many different entities
that you could connect with andI feel like it's just, it's just
our human brains trying tounderstand and label a strand of
infinite energy that we canconnect with and we all fit in
(41:39):
different places.
What do you think I?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
agree, I agree.
I think whatever helps you feelconnected to higher
consciousness and, again, thatspiritual responsibility, we are
all one, we're all connected,we're all part of something
bigger.
There's no question in my mind.
So, whatever it is the God ofyour understanding, your guides,
your angels, your, whatever itis as long as you have that
(42:04):
connection, as long as thatgives you peace and it and it
guides you in a way that bringslight and love into the world,
then I think that's a good thing.
For me it's God, but for otherpeople it might be something
different.
But whatever it is, it's just,it's whatever your heart feels
called to.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Yeah, that makes sense to me.
And you touched too on the lawof one right there, which I feel
like is the perfect entry pointto like spiritual bypassing,
because I don't see, in auniverse of the law of one, how
we could ever ignore anything.
Yeah, because I mean, if we areignoring our own shadow, for
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example, then we're only doinghalf of the work and we're
ignoring an entire side ofourselves that exists and needs
attention, kindness, presenceand love also.
And if we are one which we are,how can I, as a soul level,
human, ignore, bypass, turn ablind eye to anything?
(43:11):
Anything, yeah, but then, atthe same time, anything,
anything, yeah, but then at thesame time, it's also a lot,
especially right now, becausewe're so aware of everything
happening.
So, from your perspective, howdo we navigate that in this time
?
Cause we weren't always awareof all the things happening, but
it doesn't mean that theyweren't happening.
(43:31):
So this is a very unique timeto be here.
So what does that mean to you?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I think that's such a powerful question.
I've been thinking about this alot because we do have the
ability to consume so muchinformation about what's
happening in our ownneighborhoods and across the
world, and it is overwhelmingand it is really hard to see.
And it's also, I think itcreates I know it creates in me
(44:02):
this feeling of oh my gosh, Iwant to do everything I can to
help as many people in places asI can, but I also recognize
that I'm only one person.
What am I even going to be ableto do, or how am I even going
to be able to help here?
And I think that then cancreate in me a cycle of I'm not
doing enough.
I'm not doing enough, I'm notdoing enough.
(44:25):
And that causes me so muchanxiety, right, because I think
that's the really hard part.
I feel like what I've beenreally thinking about lately is
like this idea of spiritualhousekeeping, right, like before
I go to bed at night, thinkingabout like what did I do today
that was helpful to other peoplein my community, in my and not
just like my, you knowneighborhood, but in my
community of grace, the peoplethat I support, who are part of
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my spiritual community?
What did I do to support them?
Is there anything left in myglass you know like?
Is there anything left in theglass that hasn know like?
Is there anything left in theglass that hasn't been said or
that maybe I didn't feel toogood about?
That I want to ask forforgiveness for, or that I want
to forgive someone for?
So spiritual housekeeping isfor me, before I close my eyes
at night, going like is thereanything I could have done to be
(45:11):
a better person today, and isthere anything that I want to
let go of before I go to sleep?
Because I think, like I said,we are only capable of doing so
much, and so we have to sort ofbe responsible for our side of
the street first and then beingable to offer our gifts out in
the world in whatever way we can.
(45:31):
So if you're an animal lover,maybe you're doing something in
your community to help withanimals who are in shelters
right now.
If you are somebody who caresabout feeding children over the
summer, maybe you find extraways of volunteering at a food
kitchen so that you make surethat those kids get meals or
something.
So I think it's very easy toget consumed by all the things
(45:53):
that are going on, but I alsothink God doesn't.
I don't think God expects us tofix all of that.
I think he just wants us to go.
You know what?
I see somebody who needs help.
I have the means to help them.
It just so happens I have themeans to help them.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Let me go do that thing, and um and we do what we
can you know yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Otherwise I think we'd get exhausted trying to do
everything.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Absolutely, and that even tips into eco right there
as well.
Like we're not here to save theentire world, like that's not,
that's not in the jobdescription.
But can we do everything we canand also learn how to balance
that with taking care ofourselves, because that is also
in our job description is totake care of ourselves and the
people who actually count on usto be filled up.
Um, that's a lot, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
As it is in a regular day, right, exactly Right.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
I know she's even talking about it.
It's like what did we?
What did who?
Who picked this lifetime?
Who?
Who do I talk to?
Who do?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I love it right, heather, I know and there I hear
it all the time too on TikTokit's like you picked this life,
you chose to be here at thistime for this specific reason,
and sometimes I'm like, yeah,okay, that sounds really good.
And then other times I'm likeoh, oh why?
Speaker 1 (47:13):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I got in the wrong line, but I think that's true.
I think that's true.
What a unique life that we'reliving.
You know, I think about I'm 44.
I'll be 45 this year.
I was eight years old when theChallenger explosion happened.
I was 21 when 9-11 happened.
I think about, like we livedthrough COVID, We've lived
(47:36):
through so many.
I'm like, oh, all right, God,what is what's next?
You know, I'm afraid to ask.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
I don't want to know if you had told me in 2019,
cause I was I was pregnant withmy second and he's he's due on
February, in February 2020.
If I had known then what wascoming, like we would have all
just been catatonic and justchecked out of life at that
point, like, and that's not evenyou know as bad as it's gotten.
(48:05):
So that actually is the perfectsegue into another question as
an energetic practitioner, as apsychic, do you get downloads
and hints of what's coming, ordo you just get here's what to
do right now?
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Like how does that work for you?
That's a really good question.
I honestly I have never triedto look.
I mean, you know this too frombeing on TikTok.
There are so many people outthere who are like here's what's
coming down the road and I loveto watch them because I'm
always like, wow, I'm so curiousif this is going to be accurate
or not.
I think for me, like you said,with the COVID thing, I'd almost
(48:42):
rather not know.
I feel like you know that firsttwo weeks of COVID, when they
said you're going to have tohomeschool your kids for two
weeks, it's just two weeks, it'sfine, I thought, oh, I don't
know how I'm going to getthrough these two weeks, two and
a half five, you know, fiveyears later, what a ride, I
(49:02):
think, for me.
I think back to when I was alittle kid, like I was always
really consumed by the idea ofwar and very scared of war and I
thought about nuclear war allthe time.
I was just like this kid, Ithink.
Maybe maybe at the time I wassort of tuning into things and
(49:23):
didn't quite know what it wasand was like.
This is really big and reallyscary to me, and so I wonder if
that's one of the reasons I trynot to look, because I feel like
maybe I saw some stuff that Iwas like um, that's not for me,
let's go back to art and color,let's play with some crayons.
(49:44):
No, but I do notice consistencyin what I see where people are
stuck, and so I think, from acollective level, there are, I
think, energy, I think likecollective energy blockages for
a lot of women.
They're blocked in their throatand their hearts, you know, and
we're seeing this likeunfurling of the throat chakra,
with women now who are steppinginto these places and standing
(50:07):
in their power.
And what a time to be alive,because you know, women are
angry and good, you know.
So I see, I see some of that,but I really I.
It doesn't really become superclear to me until I've seen it a
couple of times, and then Ikind of go oh wait, a second,
this must be happening, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, I made a tick tock this week that I was having
some hip issues and I had to goin and rebalance a whole bunch
of stuff and do some energeticwork on it and it was like girl,
it was deep and it was loud, itwas a lot, but it was like I
know that some of this is mine,but I also know that not all of
this is mine, and so I was ableto go in and do a lot of work
(50:47):
and do a lot of shifting inservice of my own life and also
the collective my own life andalso the collective.
And I feel like so many of uspersonalize everything, so many
things, and make it about us andabout our timeline, about our
family, about our dynamic, aboutour individual situation, when
so many, you know, crash outs orback pains or sore throats or
(51:12):
anything like that also can bean invitation to do some work
for the collective as well.
And we were talking before wehit record about how we don't
know how people are just raw dogin life right now, without
spiritual tools and like beingable to, like transmute energy
and work with things and be incommunion with their team at all
, and I'm wondering how has thatshown up for you?
(51:35):
Are you feeling sticky?
Are you having a hard time?
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, I do notice that.
That kind of thing, like I'llnotice when, especially when it
interrupts my sleep, I feel likewhen I wake up in the middle of
the night sometimes.
There was, I think, two orthree nights last week where I
woke up at 430 in the morningand I was, I was like what is
this about, rude?
What is that?
(52:05):
Seriously?
That's why the bags, you know,yeah, I do notice that stuff.
I do feel energeticallyoverloaded at times and I worked
with this wonderful healer.
She can tune into your body andfeel energetically where things
are stuck and she can, like,pull them out.
She's remarkable.
And the other day she's likeyou got something in your throat
, you got to get it out.
And I was like, what is it?
She goes, I don't know, butyou're real mad about it.
And I was like, oh.
So she said I said, well, whatdo I have to do?
(52:27):
And she said you need to writeit and just write whatever comes
up and then you need to burn itand transmute it back into into
love.
And I was like, okay, and I wassitting here and I got pulled
into work and I was emailingsomething and all of a sudden I
thought there's nothing moreimportant than getting this
energy out of my body, and so Iinstantly stopped, started
(52:50):
writing and then went down andburned it, and you able to tap
in and get into what it was thatyou were angry about and kind
of dig around in there.
Yeah, I think so.
And what was interesting thisis so funny too I came
downstairs and my son was downthere and I said I gotta, I
gotta go burn this writing thatI just did.
He's 12 and he's like oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
And.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I go anything you want to release and let go up.
And he's like, oh, okay, and Igo anything you want to release
and let go up.
And he's like, sure, so hescribbled something down on
paper.
Oh, I love that so much.
I was like, come on, let's goburn it.
Well, of course, his just likeand gone and mine was like I had
to light it three times.
How funny, I know.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
It's so funny.
Of course it did.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Of course, and I said what did you write about?
And he goes.
I don't think I have to tellyou what I wrote about, but it
burned up pretty fast.
I was like cool, You're a cooldude, Good job.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
I'm so happy we're on the parenting squad together
because, I mean, just this issuch a reason that I have so
much hope, because we as adultsare doing so much work.
We've been healing our lineage,we've been connecting with
energy.
In the present time, we areinvesting in the future
generation and teaching them thelanguaging for all of these
(54:01):
things and how to recognizetheir abilities and how to
differentiate their own energyfrom somebody else's and think
about things critically.
We are doing so much work.
Let me just say I don't see areality where all of that is for
nothing.
We are doing so much work.
Let me just say I don't see areality where all of that is for
nothing.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Right, I was just going to say we are doing a
really good job.
You're doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
I agree, we're doing amazing, we're doing a good job.
We're doing the best that wecan.
I'm patting myself on the backright now, right, good job.
We're doing the best that wecan, right.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
I'm patting myself on the back right now, Trying to
raise conscious humans, tryingto teach them how to not should
all over themselves, trying toundo the patterns that I know I
was taught and then trying tounwind those in myself so that
he doesn't get stuck with it.
So it's hard work and I dothink that we deserve a little
(54:57):
pat on the back sometimes.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
And let's throw two more layers of awesome on there.
Then we also have perimenopause, and then we also are a
sandwich generation, which, formany of us, we're also
reparenting the oldergenerations as well, you know.
So pats on the back right.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Pats on the back.
Pats on the back, yes, yes,actually, that's one thing too
that I think we can all get alittle better at is just, I know
for me, just celebrating littlethings.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
We made it through the day.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
I'm amazing Because, honestly, there are some days
where you're like what the heckis going on here, and so the
fact that you just you know youdid a thing today, you showed up
, you put on pants.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
You know, well done, Well done.
I have pants on.
Do you understand what a winthat is?
Since covid, since covid, oh mygosh, you actually have to go
back and listen to an episode Idid with peyton dale.
She's a stylist on tiktok andshe's amazing.
Her whole thing is did you getdressed today?
Oh, I love that it's 11 o'clock, did you?
Are you dressed?
(56:14):
I'm like oh thank you, thank you, because it really, like
getting dressed is a big deal.
It is, it's an investment, it'senergy, it's it's intention.
Do you watch the show the bear?
Speaker 2 (56:25):
yes, love oh, we just started watching it.
So we're in season two and wejust finished the episode called
forks where Richie gets thestage job at the kitchen and
then he starts wearing suits andI just cried that whole episode
, I know.
Speaker 1 (56:44):
I know To see him from the beginning to the end,
you're like wow.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
But it's true, His whole energy changed.
I mean talk about a characterarc.
His whole energy changed.
He respects himself now.
He respects the work.
He's a better team player.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
And he understands it .
I mean yes.
And he feels so seen andvaluable.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
Yes, oh.
So that's good stuff, that'sreally good stuff, even a
fictional character.
Stories like that just make mego.
We can change, we can, we can.
Speaker 1 (57:18):
Mm-hmm, that just make me go.
We can change, we can, we can,we can.
And my guides speak to me a lotthrough media as well, so
they're always dropping innuggets all through songs and
Disney movies and shows and Imean it's everywhere, right, I
love that little nugget foreverybody listening.
You absolutely can go insideout, like connect with
spirituality and get a lot ofinsights there.
But you can also start goingoutside in, like what do you
(57:40):
want to wear today?
What do you feel like eatingtoday?
If you're coloring, what colorare you drawn to?
There's so many ways to comehome to yourself and just giving
yourself the space to feel intoor think about or look into all
the little ins that we have tomake all those decisions and
really give ourselves the timeand space and honoring of what
(58:01):
do we want?
Beautiful, perfect entry pointto power.
Yay, heather, I'm not going tokeep you for too much longer
because I feel like we couldjust, you know, have a girl's
night forever.
Where can we find you?
Where can people work with you?
Speaker 2 (58:27):
Oh, thank you for asking.
You can find me online atheatherackcom and you can find
me on all the socials, really atHeatherack artist.
Yay, and you have a podcast too.
Oh, that's right, I do.
It's called your Radiant Spiritand you'll be a guest on there
soon.
I can't wait to interview you.
We'll flip the mics, yay.
Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Can't wait to connect with everybody.
Please reach out and say hi.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Yes, yes, yes.
Thank you, heather.
I am so happy we finally got tohave this conversation.
It's such important work thatyou're doing all of us out here,
everybody who's on our squad.
Can you just give us a hello,because it really feels nice
when people are like yeah, metoo.
Thank you, heather.
Thank you for listening to SoulLevel Human.
(59:05):
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Text it to a friend, post toyour stories.
The Soul Level Revolutionspreads one brave human at a
time and your voice makes adifference.
So until next time, remember toslow down, tune in, trust your
guidance and keep having theaudacity to choose the highest
(59:26):
timeline.
When you show up fully, yougive others permission to do the
same.
Make this the timeline whereyou show up.
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