April 15, 2025 • 41 mins
What happens when the voice you’ve been told you have to use isn’t your own?
Executive coach and organizational change consultant Dana Baugh joins Soulful Speaking to share her journey from corporate leader—where she was encouraged to “man up” and mask her true self—to a more heart-centered, present, and authentic speaker. Her story reveals what can unfold when we follow the quiet voice urging us away from external achievement and toward inner alignment.
Together, we explore what it means to stand at the crossroads between societal expectations and soul truth—between performing who we think we should be and expressing who we truly are.
If you've ever felt like success and fulfillment should be the same thing, but aren’t… if you’ve struggled with feeling like you have to put on a mask to speak… this episode is for you.
Tune in for a soulful conversation about intuition, energy, and the power of showing up as your whole self. Dana’s journey offers both inspiration and grounded, practical wisdom for anyone feeling the disconnect between outer success and inner fulfillment.
TAKEAWAYS
1. Our intuition knows before our mind. When something doesn’t feel right—whether it’s a job, a path, or a speaking style—our inner voice usually notices first. Learning to listen to that quiet inner voice can change everything.
2. Success and fulfillment aren’t the same. We can follow all the rules and still feel like something vital is missing.
3. Embrace the third way. We don’t have to choose between staying silent or wearing a mask that doesn’t fit. There’s a third way to speak—one that honors who we truly are.
4. Presence is the foundation of soulful speaking. When we’re grounded in body, breath, and energy, connection happens naturally.
5. Everything is energy. Whether we’re with horses, people, or an audience—authentic presence and deep connection are felt beyond words.
6. Community matters. Surrounding ourselves with others walking the same path helps us stay aligned with our truth.
7. Simple practices help us return. Movement, nature, and quiet listening bring us back when old patterns creep in—and that’s part of the journey.
8. Speaking is a full-body experience. Moving beyond the “talking head” approach allows our whole message—and whole self—to come through.
9. Trust the unfolding. We don’t have to figure it all out. When we speak (and live) from presence, the right words, timing, and connections emerge naturally.
Connect with Dana
dana@dlbaugh.com
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Lauri (00:00):
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Soulful Speaking
Podcast.
My guest today is the beautifulDana Baugh.
Dana and I have known eachother for so many years now.
Another Dana introduced me toher.
She's an executive coach and anorganizational change
consultant, and I'm going to lether story tell you.
(00:23):
Even more consultant, and I'mgonna let her story tell you
even more.
Dana, where did your speakingjourney?
Dana (00:32):
begin, I would say, my speaking journey began when I
started my career in corporate.
I worked for GE, I was amanager at GE and I was in a
role that I thought I reallywanted.
I thought I really wanted to bea leader of a GE business at
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one point, and so as part of mywork towards that, I needed to
speak in front of groups.
And I'm introverted, so thatdoes not come natural to me.
Introverted, so that does notcome natural to me.
And my mentors at the time gaveme all kinds of advice about
you know, be tough and put myboots on, and just kinds of
(01:13):
things about, like you know, manup, kind of advice.
So that's how I enteredspeaking to groups.
Lauri (01:22):
And how did it feel when you were trying to take their
advice way back then?
Dana (01:31):
It felt well.
I completely bought into itfirst of all.
So there wasn't a like whoa, isthere another way?
I completely bought into it.
But it felt really hard.
It felt really artificial.
It felt like I was slipping ona fake suit.
That wasn't me, yeah.
Lauri (01:54):
And what kind of impact did that have in your life at
that time?
Dana (02:10):
I think it.
I did it well enough to getthrough and do my job, which a
lot of it, you know.
I did have to get up and speakin front of people quite a bit,
so I did it enough to getthrough that.
I think the cost of it was thatI thought that's what speaking
was and so I thought, speaking Ialways have to put on the mask,
put on this artificial suit ofarmor and be somebody you know,
(02:33):
step into somebody else.
That was acceptable and Iwasn't acceptable and so part of
it felt very soul crushing.
Lauri (02:43):
Mm, hmm, how did your whole journey evolve and how did
your speaking journey evolvefrom back then?
Kind of tell us where that went.
Dana (02:55):
Yeah, my whole journey evolved where this dream I had
of continuing to ascend thecorporate ladder.
The more I moved in thatdirection, the less fulfilled I
felt, and I felt very flat andone-dimensional and very sad and
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I thought that is really weird,that this thing that I think I
want and have dreamed of and I'mmoving towards, the closer I
get, the worse I feel.
So I tried to ignore that for along time because I didn't know
what else to do.
But at some point I wentsomething is trying to tell me
something and I need to listen,and so I decided just to quit,
(03:45):
to walk away and try to gofigure out.
And I didn't know what I wasgoing to do, but I thought I
need to walk away, give myselfspace and I will figure out what
I need to do next, which isunlike me.
I'm a much, very much a planner.
I like to have control andcertainty.
So that was a big deal to walkaway because I felt like life
(04:08):
was calling me to something else.
Lauri (04:13):
Yeah, and where did that lead?
Dana (04:17):
It led me at least to figure out what I like doing
with my life.
Again, I thought I wanted to bethe leader, but what I actually
found out is that I lovesupporting leaders.
The thing that I found that Ireally just I never get tired of
is being a coach listening toleaders' stories and really
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understanding sort of what makesthem who they are and how do
you unleash the best of who theyare and how just to free them
up to be who they are and yeah,so that I never get tired of
that.
So it led me to figure that out.
What it didn't lead me to do isI still had this thought of
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success and fulfillment, which Ithought were sort of the same
thing.
I thought it was attainingpower and status and money and
being successful in the eyes ofsociety and the ways that we
externally measure that I hadnever done any internal work
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no-transcript.
Lauri (05:53):
So listening to the moment where your intuition was
saying walk away is an exampleof a moment of internal work.
You listened and then driftedback and went into corporate and
had more to learn.
What was the next step in yourspeaking journey and I know you
may go back and forth betweenspeaking and your overall life
journey.
Dana (06:13):
Yeah, I think it was realizing that I wanted to use
my voice and speak to people.
I wanted to use my voice andspeak to people, speak to groups
(06:37):
, recognizing that the only wayI knew to do it like when I
tried to do it again, it was inthis masked up, you know,
armored persona, and it was likefor a while it felt like either
or Like well, either I don'tsay, you know, I don't get up,
or I do that and I, you know,I'm trying to figure out a
different way.
And it was slowly in differentways, recognizing that there was
a different way that you couldshow up.
(06:57):
It didn't have to be an eitheror there was a both.
Lauri (07:00):
And in there, yeah, I love that and I want to
highlight that the idea that ifyou don't look like what the
rest of the world is telling youis a leader or a speaker, then
you're not one and you're notsupposed to speak.
I feel like there are a lot oflisteners out there who have
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that impression of they've gotthis inner thing calling them to
speak, whether it's on a TEDTalk stage or in a corporation
or in front of a green cameralight shooting a video.
And yet to a part of them itdoesn't make sense because it
doesn't match that masked uponly one way version.
(07:43):
That is sort of infiltratingout in the world and your
intuition again was having you.
You know, stay with it, keepgoing until eventually the third
way of oh hey, I can be me andspeak, I don't need to do it.
(08:05):
The way they're doing itRevealed itself and it sounds
like in this moment from you.
Staying with the doesn't reallymake sense and I'm going to
keep feeling it out, I'm goingto stay curious, yeah.
Dana (08:21):
Yeah, I really appreciate how you said that, because that
describes the journey well andit was part of that journey was
recognizing that I'm more thanmy head, I'm more than my
intellect, because part of thatwas I thought that was my whole
worth, my value was my intellect.
So this journey of trustingthat I could be me and speak led
(08:45):
me into really understanding.
Wow, beyond my intellect, Ihave intuitions, I have
sensations.
Lauri (08:59):
I have emotions that are all valuable information.
Dana (09:00):
Just really understanding the wholeness of the energy that
I possess and tap into, andit's not just the talking head
thing which I did not understandthat before.
Lauri (09:12):
Yeah, and how did you come to understand that?
Dana (09:18):
It was with horses.
With horses I went to, I thinkI was led to go to this horse
ranch, which I had no idea why Iwas doing it All kinds of
reasons I wouldn't have done itbut it was a place called Vista
Caballa, out in Dove Creek,colorado, and horses are your
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teachers for the week thatyou're there.
And it was.
Horses are excellent atbiofeedback and the idea was
that when you're present, youcan do things with the horses
and work with them and get themto interact and do things.
When you're not present, theywant nothing to do with you
interact and do things.
When you're not present, theywant nothing to do with you.
And so, in real time, throughthose days, I got to see what it
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was like.
Every time I got in my head orI was being a talking head to
the horses because I'm giventhings to do with them, and none
of it worked unless I gotpresent.
And yeah, I'm in my body, Ihave a body, I have a soul, I
have a mind, I have a heart, andonce all of that came online,
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the horses loved to interactwith me, and so I got to notice
what that was like.
Lauri (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, I did a horse thing with my leadership tribe
and you just reminded me.
You know, you can kind of shyaway or you can push, and there
was a moment where someone wastrying too hard and got kicked
(11:05):
by a horse and it's kind offunny now, only because he was
okay Like it was quite a bruiseon his leg that you're in its
boundaries and it's sendingmessages to you of I don't like
that, I don't like that.
And then eventually, when you'recontinuing and the boundary
goes too far, it kicks and itwas an incredible bruise and
(11:31):
fortunately not a kneecap goingthe wrong direction.
So as you're talking, I'm kindof reminded of that and I'm
wanting listeners to understandwhat kind of a range there can
be with the horses from ifyou're trying too hard, I will
kick you because you're in myboundary, or I'm just going to
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go off and hang with the otherhorses or the other people and
have nothing to do with you, orthey can be playing with you and
present with you and connectedwith you.
And over the course of the weekyou got to the point where you
had the playing with you anddeeply present with you and
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connected with you.
Dana (12:19):
And it's just amazing to really get to understand with
this idea of what you just saidabout connected with you, about
how energy works, and all of asudden you realize how
everything is energy and just tofeel the energy when you are
truly connected and they'reconnected with you is yeah.
It opened my eyes to that ideaof everything is energy.
Lauri (12:42):
Yeah, what did the energy feel like to you when you were
connected to them and they wereconnected to you?
Dana (12:51):
Well, I remember I shared a story with you.
I'll just give the part aboutwhat it felt like.
That was like a Tuesdayafternoon.
We're out in this pasture outin Colorado, and when we
connected, when I finally gotpresent and they it was a number
of horses came to me and wewere interacting.
I remember feeling my feet onthe ground very clearly and I
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remember looking up in the skyand seeing like this bluest blue
sky.
I remember the wind blowing myhair and just how good that felt
.
And I remember the flowersthey're like dandelions, I think
yellow flowers and green grassand how everything seemed to be
technicolor and just I wasfeeling and seeing and
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experiencing everything togetherat this really, really deep
level.
It felt really unusual and thenmy big takeaway from it is like
oh my gosh, this is how we'remeant to be.
We are meant to experience theworld like this and we rarely do
because there's so manydistractions.
Lauri (13:57):
Yeah, yeah.
And how did that impact yourjourney in your life and your
journey in speaking impact yourjourney in your life and your
journey.
Dana (14:08):
In speaking Once I felt that and I'm sure in other
points in my life, like myexample when there was a voice
telling me to leave GE, eventhough everyone thought I was a
bit crazy because I was doingreally well there I think I have
tapped into this deeper knowing, whole knowing, beyond my mind,
before connection.
(14:29):
I think that at that point itit was like there's no going
back.
I do not want to go back to howI was before, where I thought
living from my head was allthere was, and not that I stay
here present to what's presentall the time, but that's my
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intention.
Lauri (14:53):
I just saw an image of like two roads in a wood, or two
paths, and in that moment,after the horses, there was a
road that was like this is thedirection you would go if you
were going back to living fromthe head the way most of the
world, most of the Western world, is doing it.
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And then a road, anotherdirection that was if you take
this other path, you will feelthat again more often.
Path you will feel that againmore often.
Not you're with the horses allthe time and everything is
technicolor all the time, notlike it will be instantaneous,
but knowing if I take this otherroad, I will have that more
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often, I will feel that again.
And if I take the original roadthat I used to be on, i'm'm
absolutely not gonna have it.
What has your road to feelingthat more and more often been
like?
Dana (15:53):
Well, I found communities that embrace that and understand
it, that there are other peopleout there that, for whatever
reason a lot of times it wasn'tmy case, but exactly but a lot
of times it's trauma Somethingtraumatic happens, it could be
(16:13):
an illness, it could be a death,some kind of loss, and you, by
virtue of that, you findyourself, you know, searching
for meaning, and in that search,some people end up with this
feeling and understanding.
So mine was this, it was thisidea, like that, I had done
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everything I was taught that Ishould do to have a successful
and fulfilling life.
Um, I did the playbook and youknow had the awards and
accolades to you know show thatI'd done the work that I was
told to do.
and then it was like all of asudden realizing this is not
what I want at all or this isnot what this is not brought me,
as it brought me success, butit didn't bring me fulfillment.
(17:19):
And so this think what's helpedme on my journey is finding
other people that, for whateverreason, were snapped into like
whoa.
If this is an illusion, thenwhat do I want my life to be?
What is real for me?
And finding those communitiesand some of them are like I find
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the soulful speaking community,the speaker studio, one of
those places I'm part of a it'scalled the Healing Den.
It's a presence-based communitywhere we do presence practices
and that's, you know, otherpeople who understand that.
It is something you have to beintentional about.
Lauri (18:07):
And they're all walking their version of that path to
have it more and more and more.
And I believe, of course, themore time we spend in community
safe spaces, sacred spaces thatare looking for that, from yoga
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to the healing den to thespeaker's studio, the more time
we spend in spaces like that,it's like we build up an escrow
for that, that sort of turningthe volume down or decreasing
the escrow of live from yourhead, follow this playbook and
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turning up the volume andbuilding the energetic escrow of
this presence.
Intuition path.
Dana (19:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's making me smile because since COVID I
don't travel as much, but when Iused to travel a lot more, it
would be like I'd get built upwith my escrow of okay, I've got
my practices and you know, Ifeel really solid and grounded,
(19:21):
I can really experience all ofme, not just the mind.
And then I off, I'd be running,traveling from thing to thing
for business and making therounds in these corporate places
, and then all of a sudden Iwould.
It was, yeah, like I was backwhere I was before.
Lauri (19:42):
Yeah, yeah, and back where I was before.
I've come across a lot ofpeople who in their lives
they're pretty far along on thatpresence path and then they go
to speak on a stage in front ofa green camera light and they
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find themselves feeling likethose old masks, that old armor
is coming back, um, like an old.
It's like you putting on a pairof shoes from when you were a
teenager and it doesn't reallyfit you where you are now.
How does that align with yourexperience of speaking?
(20:27):
Very much so.
Dana (20:29):
I'm just always surprised and I have to laugh at that.
Even with what I know and whatI've experienced, which it feels
like that should reallysolidify me, being able to hang
in the space of being present,what is present and letting all
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of me come through.
When I'm speaking, I still getknocked right back into the like
.
I can just feel like my energyis from here on up, and, yeah,
being a talking head.
Yeah, yeah, and I still have towork at not doing that.
Lauri (21:10):
Yeah, yeah and it um.
What was your, what's your topmask in the speaker alter ego
quiz.
Dana (21:22):
Was that the one?
The nervous Nellies?
Lauri (21:26):
That's the soul suckers.
So the soul suckers are thepart of us.
We're complex.
We've got our soul and ourinner teenager and many, many,
many parts inside us, and thesoul suckers are the ones that
are trying to protect us andthey tend to suck the soul out
of our voice and they are thepart that often is guiding us to
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go grab the mask yeah so thenervous Nellies are nervous I
don't have enough time, I don'thave enough time, I don't have
enough money, something likethat.
And then if we speak, they'relike okay, if you're going to do
it, go over here and grab thismask to keep yourself safe.
That's it.
This feels safer, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, this feels safer.
It doesn't feel as present oralive.
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Feel as present or alive.
The masks are the heady hipster,the porcelain doll, the
deranged mannequin, the jivingjokester and the peppy pleaser.
I think mine's derangedmannequin.
There's a lot of derangedmannequin energy in the
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corporate world.
It's my top.
So I love telling people thisbecause a lot of people feel
like that has the absolute worstname and then I kind of go it's
mine, it's a funny name andit's, in particular, how I feel
it was.
You know the name I gave it isbecause there's an over amount
of work, there's a hardening ofpassion and I know that some
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people are naturally high energy, high sensation seeking
extroverts and they have a verypassionate outgoing style,
organically, and sometimes inthe corporate world, when other
people are attempting to mentorthem and help them, they do what
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you heard, like do it, like Ido it.
Yeah Well, you're not a highsensation seeking extrovert who
spends a lot of time jumping upand down on tables in your
normal life.
Dana (23:34):
No.
Lauri (23:35):
So it's not going to feel authentic to you to get on a
stage and do it that way.
And the difference for me justin case somebody out there
listening is like wait, is itbad to be someone jumping up and
down on tables?
Is that, if it's your innatestyle, first of all, we all have
a range so I can be very quietand still, and I can also like
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lay on the ground and jump up ona table.
It feels fluid, it feels easy,it feels like you're riding a
wave that's moving through youwhere, like, you cannot help but
jump on the table in thatmoment, if that's your style,
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and when it's not your style, itfeels hard, it feels like you
have to like harden up and liketry to leap on the table, either
literally or energetically.
And, by the same token, ifyou're someone who is that high
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sensation-seeking extrovert andsomeone tells you to be more
still, don't talk with yourhands, don't move around the
stage so much.
That is going to feel hard andtight to the person who
naturally, naturally,organically, wants to move more.
Somebody out there needed tohear that.
Dana (25:06):
I appreciate you describing it because I was
curious, knowing you're moreextroverted, I'm more
introverted how we both came upwith the same thing.
But I think I understand now,because the people that were
mentoring me when I firststarted speaking were that more
extroverted energy.
Lauri (25:25):
Yeah, yeah, and I am actually an introvert, believe
it or not.
I'm a verbally processingintrovert oh, interesting, okay
which can be incrediblyconfusing for people.
I love being in crowds, so Ithink I probably am a little
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further over than you whenthere's a point to it.
So put me on a stage when I'mdoing soulful speaking work in
the world and during I feelenergized by it and I can be
very expressive.
Put me on a stage when I'mdoing a play that I believe is
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reflecting something abouthumanity and.
I love the energy of the livecrowd and I ride the waves of
that energy.
But you put me in a bar on afriday night where it's loud and
there are people there that arelike they want to sit at the
bar, they want to hear.
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You know, the music going andthe people talking, and then the
sports, ball games on thetelevisions all blaring at once
and I just want to curl up inthe fetal position and go home,
because it's not that, there'snot a point to that, because
there are people who absolutelylove that environment.
It is nourishing to them.
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I wasn't born for it to benourishing to me.
Yeah, yeah.
So what is life and yourspeaking journey like these days
?
Dana (27:11):
I would say it is about trusting myself to show up and
see what happens.
One of the things that has cometo me of late that feels like
something important is I feellike I have spent so much of my
life trying to figure life out,trying to have certainty and
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control and all the things thatthat means you do in order to do
that, all the ways you cutyourself off from being present
as you're in your head, tryingto make things happen a certain
way and figure it out too.
And again, it's usually out offear, it's usually I'll be safe.
(27:54):
If I do it this way, thingswill, yeah, so what has come to
me lately is this idea ofnoticing that when I'm living
life out which means I'm beingpresent to what is present and I
am meeting the situation andnot figuring it out but through
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my mind and through my body andthrough my intuition, I am
getting information about whatwould best serve me, what would
best serve the other people,what would best serve the
circumstances I'm in right now,and then let that flow.
And it might be hard todescribe the difference between
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that and the figuring it out,but boy, it feels really, really
different hmm, can you give usa little bit more about how it
feels different for you?
um, yeah, I mean, this seemslike these are just such simple
things like.
Um, I was at a little leadershipretreat um and we were, um,
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every time we were put in smallgroups and they would just say,
go find you know three or fourpeople.
And before I would get reallyanxious about that, like, oh my
goodness, I want to make sureyou know I find people and I'm
not standing in the corner andeverybody's got people and I
don't for you know, whateverreason, just in this very simple
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example.
Or even when we went to lunch,like what table am I going to
sit at?
So I spent a lot of time liketrying to figure out, like
pre-plan, like well, who am I Iwant to partner with?
Where am I?
Why do I want to sit at lunch?
Those kinds of things, taking myenergy, not being present in my
head, trying to figure this out, yeah, and instead it would be
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like what needs to happen willhappen, happen.
And when I'm in the moment, itwas just amazing how other
people that wanted to connectand be in the group with me we
would just like like electricity, like we find each other, yeah,
and we got together and it waslike we were meant to be
together, we, we.
Lauri (30:12):
there was something that we shared that was like, oh, my
life I've met somehow more fromwhat you're describing, where
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even before I was working onthat very kind of stuff myself,
I just happened to have a momentwhere I was more in my body and
looked over, you know, across aroom in graduate school on the
very first day, and one personis calling to me energetically
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and afterwards walk outside,feeling my feet on the ground,
feeling the air, look over,there she is on a bike and I
still remember to this day, onthe bike, her sort of like,
walking herself on the bikeslowly over to me and saying,
hey, do you want to go getdinner or something?
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And we did.
And then I was in her weddingmany years later and same kind
of thing with my now husband,Met him in one of those loud
bars actually, and it was likethe whole room quieted down and
I felt an energy and in my headwent what the fuck was that?
(31:45):
After I felt it, yeah, and youknow, now I'm actually married
to him.
Dana (31:53):
That's beautiful examples.
I love that.
Lauri (31:57):
You mentioned practices.
I have a feeling some of thepeople listening might be
curious about what are some ofthe practices that you use to
help support you in coming backto presence.
Coming back to presence, comingback to presence yeah.
Dana (32:15):
Movement.
It's sort of that listening tomy I mean for me, because I can
be in my head and be verycontent there for hours upon
hours.
I'll just give you an example Iwas just sharing with a friend.
I had been working a long dayyesterday, been sitting in my
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Zoom meetings for hours uponhours and I listened to my body.
That was the good news.
I listened to my body.
It's like it's telling me it'stime to move.
So get up, get in the car, goto the park.
Well, what I wanted to do wasthere was this juicy podcast I
wanted, had been wanting tolisten to.
I'm like, oh, here's a time Ican listen to the podcast.
Something in me was saying, no,no, just be, just walk.
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You know, be, notice the birds,notice there's a Creek that
runs through this park, noticeyou know what's going on around
you and don't don what's goingon around you and don't, don't
turn on the podcast.
And so, yeah, that's part ofthe practices get out and move.
But part of it is also likejust listening to what you need
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in that moment.
Um, in a in a more holistic way.
Yeah, that's this.
Lauri (33:30):
Yeah, so a combination of movement, your body and your
intuition, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So a combination of movement,your body and your intuition,
yeah, yeah.
Dana (33:36):
Yeah, so that's.
Nature really helps me andthat's why I am.
So that's part of what I justdescribed too is being in nature
.
There's something we had formany years before we moved.
We had a cabin in the SuperiorNational Forest, which is on the
Canadian border of Minnesotaand Canada, and it was just
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idyllic in terms of being innature and I, just when I went
up there I couldn't figure outlike why I instantly felt
present and just different.
And civilization was pretty faraway.
I mean, you had to go at leastan hour to get to a store.
So it was out there.
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And what I just startedthinking one day when I was out
walking in the trees is, likethe trees never are saying
you're not enough, you know, oryou should be this way, and so
just that nonjudgmental beingthere, present to us in a
nonjudgmental way.
So that nature teaches me thatreminds me Beautiful, beautiful.
Lauri (34:45):
What advice?
What do you want our listenersto know?
Dana (35:05):
I guess that it's that if you're feeling like something
like, wow, my, I have the ParkerPalmer quotes coming to my mind
.
I'll just paraphrase.
I'm not saying exactly, butit's something like to all
appearances my life looked quite, but the soul doesn't put much
stock in appearances.
It's something about that that,like we again, we think we're
doing all the things we need todo for fulfilling life, but some
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part of us is trying to tell usthat we're missing something
important and I think when wejust take our cues from society,
we're definitely going to missthat something important.
So it is sort of open up,listen to yourself and what
wants to come through and inyour own way, in whatever way
works for you, can you start towalk the path and embrace or see
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what's there and experimentwith that, play with that.
Lauri (36:00):
Beautiful and if our listeners, if there's somebody
out there feeling called toconnect more with you and
possibly work with you, how canthey find you?
Dana (36:16):
Probably my email address would be the best way.
It's Dana D-A-N-A atD-L-B-A-U-G-Hcom.
Lauri (36:29):
Wonderful, thank you.
And now we're gonna go aheadand shift into our PIVO pivot.
I'm going to ask a series ofquestions.
Answer each one word or a shortphrase.
What is your favorite word?
Dana (36:46):
Curiosity.
Lauri (36:48):
What is your least favorite word?
Hate?
What turns you on creatively,spiritually or emotionally?
Love.
What turns you off?
Ignorance.
What's your favorite cuss word?
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Fuck.
What sound or noise do you love?
Dana (37:21):
I was going to do like my sound I make to myself, like ah,
and what sound or noise do youhate?
Lauri (37:34):
Hmm?
Dana (37:37):
People, and what sound or noise do you hate?
Lauri (37:46):
People screaming in ways that are very not present.
What profession other thanyours would be fun to try?
Anthropologist.
What profession would you notlike to do?
Lawyer and Dana, what do youhope people say about you on?
Dana (38:11):
your 100th birthday.
Lauri (38:14):
She saw me, she listened, she made me or helped me see
myself more fully thank you forletting me see you fully and our
listeners see you and hear youfully it's been great to be with
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you.
Dana (38:36):
I really appreciate this.
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Soulful Speaking
Podcast.
My guest today is the beautifulDana Baugh.
Dana and I have known eachother for so many years now.
Another Dana introduced me toher.
She's an executive coach and anorganizational change
consultant, and I'm going to lether story tell you.
(00:23):
Even more consultant, and I'mgonna let her story tell you
even more.
Dana, where did your speakingjourney?
Dana (00:32):
begin, I would say, my speaking journey began when I
started my career in corporate.
I worked for GE, I was amanager at GE and I was in a
role that I thought I reallywanted.
I thought I really wanted to bea leader of a GE business at
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one point, and so as part of mywork towards that, I needed to
speak in front of groups.
And I'm introverted, so thatdoes not come natural to me.
Introverted, so that does notcome natural to me.
And my mentors at the time gaveme all kinds of advice about
you know, be tough and put myboots on, and just kinds of
(01:13):
things about, like you know, manup, kind of advice.
So that's how I enteredspeaking to groups.
Lauri (01:22):
And how did it feel when you were trying to take their
advice way back then?
Dana (01:31):
It felt well.
I completely bought into itfirst of all.
So there wasn't a like whoa, isthere another way?
I completely bought into it.
But it felt really hard.
It felt really artificial.
It felt like I was slipping ona fake suit.
That wasn't me, yeah.
Lauri (01:54):
And what kind of impact did that have in your life at
that time?
Dana (02:10):
I think it.
I did it well enough to getthrough and do my job, which a
lot of it, you know.
I did have to get up and speakin front of people quite a bit,
so I did it enough to getthrough that.
I think the cost of it was thatI thought that's what speaking
was and so I thought, speaking Ialways have to put on the mask,
put on this artificial suit ofarmor and be somebody you know,
(02:33):
step into somebody else.
That was acceptable and Iwasn't acceptable and so part of
it felt very soul crushing.
Lauri (02:43):
Mm, hmm, how did your whole journey evolve and how did
your speaking journey evolvefrom back then?
Kind of tell us where that went.
Dana (02:55):
Yeah, my whole journey evolved where this dream I had
of continuing to ascend thecorporate ladder.
The more I moved in thatdirection, the less fulfilled I
felt, and I felt very flat andone-dimensional and very sad and
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I thought that is really weird,that this thing that I think I
want and have dreamed of and I'mmoving towards, the closer I
get, the worse I feel.
So I tried to ignore that for along time because I didn't know
what else to do.
But at some point I wentsomething is trying to tell me
something and I need to listen,and so I decided just to quit,
(03:45):
to walk away and try to gofigure out.
And I didn't know what I wasgoing to do, but I thought I
need to walk away, give myselfspace and I will figure out what
I need to do next, which isunlike me.
I'm a much, very much a planner.
I like to have control andcertainty.
So that was a big deal to walkaway because I felt like life
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was calling me to something else.
Lauri (04:13):
Yeah, and where did that lead?
Dana (04:17):
It led me at least to figure out what I like doing
with my life.
Again, I thought I wanted to bethe leader, but what I actually
found out is that I lovesupporting leaders.
The thing that I found that Ireally just I never get tired of
is being a coach listening toleaders' stories and really
(04:41):
understanding sort of what makesthem who they are and how do
you unleash the best of who theyare and how just to free them
up to be who they are and yeah,so that I never get tired of
that.
So it led me to figure that out.
What it didn't lead me to do isI still had this thought of
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success and fulfillment, which Ithought were sort of the same
thing.
I thought it was attainingpower and status and money and
being successful in the eyes ofsociety and the ways that we
externally measure that I hadnever done any internal work
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no-transcript.
Lauri (05:53):
So listening to the moment where your intuition was
saying walk away is an exampleof a moment of internal work.
You listened and then driftedback and went into corporate and
had more to learn.
What was the next step in yourspeaking journey and I know you
may go back and forth betweenspeaking and your overall life
journey.
Dana (06:13):
Yeah, I think it was realizing that I wanted to use
my voice and speak to people.
I wanted to use my voice andspeak to people, speak to groups
(06:37):
, recognizing that the only wayI knew to do it like when I
tried to do it again, it was inthis masked up, you know,
armored persona, and it was likefor a while it felt like either
or Like well, either I don'tsay, you know, I don't get up,
or I do that and I, you know,I'm trying to figure out a
different way.
And it was slowly in differentways, recognizing that there was
a different way that you couldshow up.
(06:57):
It didn't have to be an eitheror there was a both.
Lauri (07:00):
And in there, yeah, I love that and I want to
highlight that the idea that ifyou don't look like what the
rest of the world is telling youis a leader or a speaker, then
you're not one and you're notsupposed to speak.
I feel like there are a lot oflisteners out there who have
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that impression of they've gotthis inner thing calling them to
speak, whether it's on a TEDTalk stage or in a corporation
or in front of a green cameralight shooting a video.
And yet to a part of them itdoesn't make sense because it
doesn't match that masked uponly one way version.
(07:43):
That is sort of infiltratingout in the world and your
intuition again was having you.
You know, stay with it, keepgoing until eventually the third
way of oh hey, I can be me andspeak, I don't need to do it.
(08:05):
The way they're doing itRevealed itself and it sounds
like in this moment from you.
Staying with the doesn't reallymake sense and I'm going to
keep feeling it out, I'm goingto stay curious, yeah.
Dana (08:21):
Yeah, I really appreciate how you said that, because that
describes the journey well andit was part of that journey was
recognizing that I'm more thanmy head, I'm more than my
intellect, because part of thatwas I thought that was my whole
worth, my value was my intellect.
So this journey of trustingthat I could be me and speak led
(08:45):
me into really understanding.
Wow, beyond my intellect, Ihave intuitions, I have
sensations.
Lauri (08:59):
I have emotions that are all valuable information.
Dana (09:00):
Just really understanding the wholeness of the energy that
I possess and tap into, andit's not just the talking head
thing which I did not understandthat before.
Lauri (09:12):
Yeah, and how did you come to understand that?
Dana (09:18):
It was with horses.
With horses I went to, I thinkI was led to go to this horse
ranch, which I had no idea why Iwas doing it All kinds of
reasons I wouldn't have done itbut it was a place called Vista
Caballa, out in Dove Creek,colorado, and horses are your
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teachers for the week thatyou're there.
And it was.
Horses are excellent atbiofeedback and the idea was
that when you're present, youcan do things with the horses
and work with them and get themto interact and do things.
When you're not present, theywant nothing to do with you
interact and do things.
When you're not present, theywant nothing to do with you.
And so, in real time, throughthose days, I got to see what it
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was like.
Every time I got in my head orI was being a talking head to
the horses because I'm giventhings to do with them, and none
of it worked unless I gotpresent.
And yeah, I'm in my body, Ihave a body, I have a soul, I
have a mind, I have a heart, andonce all of that came online,
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the horses loved to interactwith me, and so I got to notice
what that was like.
Lauri (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, I did a horse thing with my leadership tribe
and you just reminded me.
You know, you can kind of shyaway or you can push, and there
was a moment where someone wastrying too hard and got kicked
(11:05):
by a horse and it's kind offunny now, only because he was
okay Like it was quite a bruiseon his leg that you're in its
boundaries and it's sendingmessages to you of I don't like
that, I don't like that.
And then eventually, when you'recontinuing and the boundary
goes too far, it kicks and itwas an incredible bruise and
(11:31):
fortunately not a kneecap goingthe wrong direction.
So as you're talking, I'm kindof reminded of that and I'm
wanting listeners to understandwhat kind of a range there can
be with the horses from ifyou're trying too hard, I will
kick you because you're in myboundary, or I'm just going to
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go off and hang with the otherhorses or the other people and
have nothing to do with you, orthey can be playing with you and
present with you and connectedwith you.
And over the course of the weekyou got to the point where you
had the playing with you anddeeply present with you and
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connected with you.
Dana (12:19):
And it's just amazing to really get to understand with
this idea of what you just saidabout connected with you, about
how energy works, and all of asudden you realize how
everything is energy and just tofeel the energy when you are
truly connected and they'reconnected with you is yeah.
It opened my eyes to that ideaof everything is energy.
Lauri (12:42):
Yeah, what did the energy feel like to you when you were
connected to them and they wereconnected to you?
Dana (12:51):
Well, I remember I shared a story with you.
I'll just give the part aboutwhat it felt like.
That was like a Tuesdayafternoon.
We're out in this pasture outin Colorado, and when we
connected, when I finally gotpresent and they it was a number
of horses came to me and wewere interacting.
I remember feeling my feet onthe ground very clearly and I
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remember looking up in the skyand seeing like this bluest blue
sky.
I remember the wind blowing myhair and just how good that felt
.
And I remember the flowersthey're like dandelions, I think
yellow flowers and green grassand how everything seemed to be
technicolor and just I wasfeeling and seeing and
(13:37):
experiencing everything togetherat this really, really deep
level.
It felt really unusual and thenmy big takeaway from it is like
oh my gosh, this is how we'remeant to be.
We are meant to experience theworld like this and we rarely do
because there's so manydistractions.
Lauri (13:57):
Yeah, yeah.
And how did that impact yourjourney in your life and your
journey in speaking impact yourjourney in your life and your
journey.
Dana (14:08):
In speaking Once I felt that and I'm sure in other
points in my life, like myexample when there was a voice
telling me to leave GE, eventhough everyone thought I was a
bit crazy because I was doingreally well there I think I have
tapped into this deeper knowing, whole knowing, beyond my mind,
before connection.
(14:29):
I think that at that point itit was like there's no going
back.
I do not want to go back to howI was before, where I thought
living from my head was allthere was, and not that I stay
here present to what's presentall the time, but that's my
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intention.
Lauri (14:53):
I just saw an image of like two roads in a wood, or two
paths, and in that moment,after the horses, there was a
road that was like this is thedirection you would go if you
were going back to living fromthe head the way most of the
world, most of the Western world, is doing it.
(15:14):
And then a road, anotherdirection that was if you take
this other path, you will feelthat again more often.
Path you will feel that againmore often.
Not you're with the horses allthe time and everything is
technicolor all the time, notlike it will be instantaneous,
but knowing if I take this otherroad, I will have that more
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often, I will feel that again.
And if I take the original roadthat I used to be on, i'm'm
absolutely not gonna have it.
What has your road to feelingthat more and more often been
like?
Dana (15:53):
Well, I found communities that embrace that and understand
it, that there are other peopleout there that, for whatever
reason a lot of times it wasn'tmy case, but exactly but a lot
of times it's trauma Somethingtraumatic happens, it could be
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an illness, it could be a death,some kind of loss, and you, by
virtue of that, you findyourself, you know, searching
for meaning, and in that search,some people end up with this
feeling and understanding.
So mine was this, it was thisidea, like that, I had done
(16:44):
everything I was taught that Ishould do to have a successful
and fulfilling life.
Um, I did the playbook and youknow had the awards and
accolades to you know show thatI'd done the work that I was
told to do.
and then it was like all of asudden realizing this is not
what I want at all or this isnot what this is not brought me,
as it brought me success, butit didn't bring me fulfillment.
(17:19):
And so this think what's helpedme on my journey is finding
other people that, for whateverreason, were snapped into like
whoa.
If this is an illusion, thenwhat do I want my life to be?
What is real for me?
And finding those communitiesand some of them are like I find
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the soulful speaking community,the speaker studio, one of
those places I'm part of a it'scalled the Healing Den.
It's a presence-based communitywhere we do presence practices
and that's, you know, otherpeople who understand that.
It is something you have to beintentional about.
Lauri (18:07):
And they're all walking their version of that path to
have it more and more and more.
And I believe, of course, themore time we spend in community
safe spaces, sacred spaces thatare looking for that, from yoga
(18:28):
to the healing den to thespeaker's studio, the more time
we spend in spaces like that,it's like we build up an escrow
for that, that sort of turningthe volume down or decreasing
the escrow of live from yourhead, follow this playbook and
(18:51):
turning up the volume andbuilding the energetic escrow of
this presence.
Intuition path.
Dana (19:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's making me smile because since COVID I
don't travel as much, but when Iused to travel a lot more, it
would be like I'd get built upwith my escrow of okay, I've got
my practices and you know, Ifeel really solid and grounded,
(19:21):
I can really experience all ofme, not just the mind.
And then I off, I'd be running,traveling from thing to thing
for business and making therounds in these corporate places
, and then all of a sudden Iwould.
It was, yeah, like I was backwhere I was before.
Lauri (19:42):
Yeah, yeah, and back where I was before.
I've come across a lot ofpeople who in their lives
they're pretty far along on thatpresence path and then they go
to speak on a stage in front ofa green camera light and they
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find themselves feeling likethose old masks, that old armor
is coming back, um, like an old.
It's like you putting on a pairof shoes from when you were a
teenager and it doesn't reallyfit you where you are now.
How does that align with yourexperience of speaking?
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Very much so.
Dana (20:29):
I'm just always surprised and I have to laugh at that.
Even with what I know and whatI've experienced, which it feels
like that should reallysolidify me, being able to hang
in the space of being present,what is present and letting all
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of me come through.
When I'm speaking, I still getknocked right back into the like
.
I can just feel like my energyis from here on up, and, yeah,
being a talking head.
Yeah, yeah, and I still have towork at not doing that.
Lauri (21:10):
Yeah, yeah and it um.
What was your, what's your topmask in the speaker alter ego
quiz.
Dana (21:22):
Was that the one?
The nervous Nellies?
Lauri (21:26):
That's the soul suckers.
So the soul suckers are thepart of us.
We're complex.
We've got our soul and ourinner teenager and many, many,
many parts inside us, and thesoul suckers are the ones that
are trying to protect us andthey tend to suck the soul out
of our voice and they are thepart that often is guiding us to
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go grab the mask yeah so thenervous Nellies are nervous I
don't have enough time, I don'thave enough time, I don't have
enough money, something likethat.
And then if we speak, they'relike okay, if you're going to do
it, go over here and grab thismask to keep yourself safe.
That's it.
This feels safer, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, this feels safer.
It doesn't feel as present oralive.
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Feel as present or alive.
The masks are the heady hipster,the porcelain doll, the
deranged mannequin, the jivingjokester and the peppy pleaser.
I think mine's derangedmannequin.
There's a lot of derangedmannequin energy in the
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corporate world.
It's my top.
So I love telling people thisbecause a lot of people feel
like that has the absolute worstname and then I kind of go it's
mine, it's a funny name andit's, in particular, how I feel
it was.
You know the name I gave it isbecause there's an over amount
of work, there's a hardening ofpassion and I know that some
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people are naturally high energy, high sensation seeking
extroverts and they have a verypassionate outgoing style,
organically, and sometimes inthe corporate world, when other
people are attempting to mentorthem and help them, they do what
(23:23):
you heard, like do it, like Ido it.
Yeah Well, you're not a highsensation seeking extrovert who
spends a lot of time jumping upand down on tables in your
normal life.
Dana (23:34):
No.
Lauri (23:35):
So it's not going to feel authentic to you to get on a
stage and do it that way.
And the difference for me justin case somebody out there
listening is like wait, is itbad to be someone jumping up and
down on tables?
Is that, if it's your innatestyle, first of all, we all have
a range so I can be very quietand still, and I can also like
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lay on the ground and jump up ona table.
It feels fluid, it feels easy,it feels like you're riding a
wave that's moving through youwhere, like, you cannot help but
jump on the table in thatmoment, if that's your style,
(24:23):
and when it's not your style, itfeels hard, it feels like you
have to like harden up and liketry to leap on the table, either
literally or energetically.
And, by the same token, ifyou're someone who is that high
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sensation-seeking extrovert andsomeone tells you to be more
still, don't talk with yourhands, don't move around the
stage so much.
That is going to feel hard andtight to the person who
naturally, naturally,organically, wants to move more.
Somebody out there needed tohear that.
Dana (25:06):
I appreciate you describing it because I was
curious, knowing you're moreextroverted, I'm more
introverted how we both came upwith the same thing.
But I think I understand now,because the people that were
mentoring me when I firststarted speaking were that more
extroverted energy.
Lauri (25:25):
Yeah, yeah, and I am actually an introvert, believe
it or not.
I'm a verbally processingintrovert oh, interesting, okay
which can be incrediblyconfusing for people.
I love being in crowds, so Ithink I probably am a little
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further over than you whenthere's a point to it.
So put me on a stage when I'mdoing soulful speaking work in
the world and during I feelenergized by it and I can be
very expressive.
Put me on a stage when I'mdoing a play that I believe is
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reflecting something abouthumanity and.
I love the energy of the livecrowd and I ride the waves of
that energy.
But you put me in a bar on afriday night where it's loud and
there are people there that arelike they want to sit at the
bar, they want to hear.
(26:33):
You know, the music going andthe people talking, and then the
sports, ball games on thetelevisions all blaring at once
and I just want to curl up inthe fetal position and go home,
because it's not that, there'snot a point to that, because
there are people who absolutelylove that environment.
It is nourishing to them.
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I wasn't born for it to benourishing to me.
Yeah, yeah.
So what is life and yourspeaking journey like these days
?
Dana (27:11):
I would say it is about trusting myself to show up and
see what happens.
One of the things that has cometo me of late that feels like
something important is I feellike I have spent so much of my
life trying to figure life out,trying to have certainty and
(27:33):
control and all the things thatthat means you do in order to do
that, all the ways you cutyourself off from being present
as you're in your head, tryingto make things happen a certain
way and figure it out too.
And again, it's usually out offear, it's usually I'll be safe.
(27:54):
If I do it this way, thingswill, yeah, so what has come to
me lately is this idea ofnoticing that when I'm living
life out which means I'm beingpresent to what is present and I
am meeting the situation andnot figuring it out but through
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my mind and through my body andthrough my intuition, I am
getting information about whatwould best serve me, what would
best serve the other people,what would best serve the
circumstances I'm in right now,and then let that flow.
And it might be hard todescribe the difference between
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that and the figuring it out,but boy, it feels really, really
different hmm, can you give usa little bit more about how it
feels different for you?
um, yeah, I mean, this seemslike these are just such simple
things like.
Um, I was at a little leadershipretreat um and we were, um,
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every time we were put in smallgroups and they would just say,
go find you know three or fourpeople.
And before I would get reallyanxious about that, like, oh my
goodness, I want to make sureyou know I find people and I'm
not standing in the corner andeverybody's got people and I
don't for you know, whateverreason, just in this very simple
(29:27):
example.
Or even when we went to lunch,like what table am I going to
sit at?
So I spent a lot of time liketrying to figure out, like
pre-plan, like well, who am I Iwant to partner with?
Where am I?
Why do I want to sit at lunch?
Those kinds of things, taking myenergy, not being present in my
head, trying to figure this out, yeah, and instead it would be
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like what needs to happen willhappen, happen.
And when I'm in the moment, itwas just amazing how other
people that wanted to connectand be in the group with me we
would just like like electricity, like we find each other, yeah,
and we got together and it waslike we were meant to be
together, we, we.
Lauri (30:12):
there was something that we shared that was like, oh, my
life I've met somehow more fromwhat you're describing, where
(30:43):
even before I was working onthat very kind of stuff myself,
I just happened to have a momentwhere I was more in my body and
looked over, you know, across aroom in graduate school on the
very first day, and one personis calling to me energetically
(31:04):
and afterwards walk outside,feeling my feet on the ground,
feeling the air, look over,there she is on a bike and I
still remember to this day, onthe bike, her sort of like,
walking herself on the bikeslowly over to me and saying,
hey, do you want to go getdinner or something?
(31:24):
And we did.
And then I was in her weddingmany years later and same kind
of thing with my now husband,Met him in one of those loud
bars actually, and it was likethe whole room quieted down and
I felt an energy and in my headwent what the fuck was that?
(31:45):
After I felt it, yeah, and youknow, now I'm actually married
to him.
Dana (31:53):
That's beautiful examples.
I love that.
Lauri (31:57):
You mentioned practices.
I have a feeling some of thepeople listening might be
curious about what are some ofthe practices that you use to
help support you in coming backto presence.
Coming back to presence, comingback to presence yeah.
Dana (32:15):
Movement.
It's sort of that listening tomy I mean for me, because I can
be in my head and be verycontent there for hours upon
hours.
I'll just give you an example Iwas just sharing with a friend.
I had been working a long dayyesterday, been sitting in my
(32:40):
Zoom meetings for hours uponhours and I listened to my body.
That was the good news.
I listened to my body.
It's like it's telling me it'stime to move.
So get up, get in the car, goto the park.
Well, what I wanted to do wasthere was this juicy podcast I
wanted, had been wanting tolisten to.
I'm like, oh, here's a time Ican listen to the podcast.
Something in me was saying, no,no, just be, just walk.
(33:02):
You know, be, notice the birds,notice there's a Creek that
runs through this park, noticeyou know what's going on around
you and don't don what's goingon around you and don't, don't
turn on the podcast.
And so, yeah, that's part ofthe practices get out and move.
But part of it is also likejust listening to what you need
(33:24):
in that moment.
Um, in a in a more holistic way.
Yeah, that's this.
Lauri (33:30):
Yeah, so a combination of movement, your body and your
intuition, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So a combination of movement,your body and your intuition,
yeah, yeah.
Dana (33:36):
Yeah, so that's.
Nature really helps me andthat's why I am.
So that's part of what I justdescribed too is being in nature
.
There's something we had formany years before we moved.
We had a cabin in the SuperiorNational Forest, which is on the
Canadian border of Minnesotaand Canada, and it was just
(33:59):
idyllic in terms of being innature and I, just when I went
up there I couldn't figure outlike why I instantly felt
present and just different.
And civilization was pretty faraway.
I mean, you had to go at leastan hour to get to a store.
So it was out there.
(34:19):
And what I just startedthinking one day when I was out
walking in the trees is, likethe trees never are saying
you're not enough, you know, oryou should be this way, and so
just that nonjudgmental beingthere, present to us in a
nonjudgmental way.
So that nature teaches me thatreminds me Beautiful, beautiful.
Lauri (34:45):
What advice?
What do you want our listenersto know?
Dana (35:05):
I guess that it's that if you're feeling like something
like, wow, my, I have the ParkerPalmer quotes coming to my mind
.
I'll just paraphrase.
I'm not saying exactly, butit's something like to all
appearances my life looked quite, but the soul doesn't put much
stock in appearances.
It's something about that that,like we again, we think we're
doing all the things we need todo for fulfilling life, but some
(35:27):
part of us is trying to tell usthat we're missing something
important and I think when wejust take our cues from society,
we're definitely going to missthat something important.
So it is sort of open up,listen to yourself and what
wants to come through and inyour own way, in whatever way
works for you, can you start towalk the path and embrace or see
(35:55):
what's there and experimentwith that, play with that.
Lauri (36:00):
Beautiful and if our listeners, if there's somebody
out there feeling called toconnect more with you and
possibly work with you, how canthey find you?
Dana (36:16):
Probably my email address would be the best way.
It's Dana D-A-N-A atD-L-B-A-U-G-Hcom.
Lauri (36:29):
Wonderful, thank you.
And now we're gonna go aheadand shift into our PIVO pivot.
I'm going to ask a series ofquestions.
Answer each one word or a shortphrase.
What is your favorite word?
Dana (36:46):
Curiosity.
Lauri (36:48):
What is your least favorite word?
Hate?
What turns you on creatively,spiritually or emotionally?
Love.
What turns you off?
Ignorance.
What's your favorite cuss word?
(37:11):
Fuck.
What sound or noise do you love?
Dana (37:21):
I was going to do like my sound I make to myself, like ah,
and what sound or noise do youhate?
Lauri (37:34):
Hmm?
Dana (37:37):
People, and what sound or noise do you hate?
Lauri (37:46):
People screaming in ways that are very not present.
What profession other thanyours would be fun to try?
Anthropologist.
What profession would you notlike to do?
Lawyer and Dana, what do youhope people say about you on?
Dana (38:11):
your 100th birthday.
Lauri (38:14):
She saw me, she listened, she made me or helped me see
myself more fully thank you forletting me see you fully and our
listeners see you and hear youfully it's been great to be with
(38:36):
you.
Dana (38:36):
I really appreciate this.
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