June 17, 2025 • 54 mins
Giselle Jennaway’s journey from strenuous avoidance of speaking to using her voice as a tool for deep transformation is nothing short of alchemy.
In this soulful conversation, Lauri and Giselle explore the moments that shaped Giselle’s relationship with her voice - from childhood shutdowns to profound ahas. A series of synchronicities sparked a connection that highlights the transformative power of intention and the magic that happens when we speak in service of those we’re meant to reach. Giselle’s path led her from being silenced in a choir, to dreading the spotlight, to ultimately finding her voice as a multi-talented practitioner and teacher delivering hypnotic, transformational messages.
TAKEAWAYS:
1. Sensations are Tools, Not Obstacles – Instead of fighting the “nerves”, learn to harness them to enhance your presence and connection.
2. Speaking in Service Dissolves Self-Consciousness – When you focus on who you’re meant to reach, fear takes a backseat to purpose.
3. Your Voice Carries a Transmission That’s Beyond Words – The way you speak carries energy that can awaken something powerful in your audience.
4. Rejection is Redirection – Being dismissed from choir at age five didn’t mean Giselle wasn’t meant to use her voice—it meant she was meant to use it differently.
5. That Green Dot is a Portal – When speaking online, imagine the people you’re serving instead of getting lost in the isolation of a camera lens.
6. Live Speaking is Like Improv – Just like in live theater, the most magical moments often come when things go “wrong.”
7. Your People Will Find You – When you speak from alignment, only those who resonate will tune in—everyone else will simply move on.
8. Synchronicity Shapes Your Speaking Path – Trust that the right opportunities, mentors, and audiences will appear at the perfect time.
9. Let Your Voice Do Its Job – Whether through storytelling, coaching, or hypnosis, your voice has a unique power that’s always at play in magical ways.
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Lauri (00:00):
Welcome back to the Soulful Speaking podcast.
I am so excited about my guesttoday, Giselle Genoway.
Giselle and I were broughttogether through synchronicity.
I'll give you a little bit moreabout that in a moment.
She is a trained naturopath,homeopath, hypnotherapist, psych
K facilitator, apprentice ofalchemy and student of natural
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success.
Born into a long line ofteachers, she's worked with
individuals and groups since theage of 11.
Welcome, welcome, welcome,Giselle.
Giselle (00:37):
Laurie, I am so delighted to be here with you to
be here with you.
Lauri (00:48):
I am going to say a little bit more about our
synchronicity from myperspective and then, and how we
met, and you can feel free tochime in Awesome.
I was in a program by ConsciousMarketer and the arc of my time
there was coming to an end, so Idecided to binge all of the
bonus material that came with mymembership before the
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cancellation, and up until thatpoint, I had been simultaneously
drawn to a bonus, teaching thatGiselle did and also avoiding
it.
And when I sat down to bingewatch everything before
canceling, hers floated up asthe.
I have to watch that right now,and I actually don't think I
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watched any of the rest of them,because as I was watching, I
knew that I was meant to be inher world and just went down the
rabbit hole of.
I'm gonna figure out how I cancontact her and send her a
Facebook message or or anInstagram message I don't
remember which one and the rest,as they say, is history and we
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are now creating more historytogether yes, we are, and what's
so beautiful about youpresenting your side of the
synchronicity is over.
Giselle (02:02):
On this side of the story, kylie and I have known
each other for years.
It's through Kylie that I wasintroduced to the alchemy that
I'm now so immersed in, and Ihad made a really clear
intention that I would meeteveryone I needed to like to
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fill my programs and one-on-onesthe people that I'm actually
meant to work with throughreferral.
And the next thing thathappened was Kylie decides that
she wants me to teach alchemy.
We'd had a couple of voicemessages just personal friends
between us, and she was like Iwant you to teach this for
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conscious marketer.
And she shouted me out onFacebook and then directed me to
the post.
It's like I haven't I haven'ttold her yet, but I'm sure
she'll say yes.
She's like of course I'll sayyes so that was such a beautiful
opportunity to share.
Um, you know what I live andbreathe in service of all of
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those gorgeous people who'vebeen attracted to Kylie's world.
So it's just such a melting potof synchronicities that bring
everyone together.
And my intention if we jump tothe end of my speaking journey,
that's almost like final chapter.
I just showed up with the fullintention that you know to say
what needed to be said, thatthere were people who would hear
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what I had to say, and that thewords that I spoke and the way
that I said them would awakenwhatever they needed.
So I was just absolutelycompletely in service and let it
take over.
And then you jumped into myworld both feet and it's been
such a delight yeah, so good.
Lauri (03:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely what I experienced,
the something awakened in mewhen hearing you speak.
And now that we've teasedeveryone, I want to go back to
the beginning.
Where and how did your speakingjourney begin?
Giselle (04:10):
So I think if we, if we have to characterize, like the
movie title, it's from strenuousavoidance to that voice in
service, the point that, likewhen I hypnotised myself to like
untangle my stuff, a point thatI really went back to very
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often I can't have been morethan five.
It was second class and MrsSkimmel, this tall, stern,
grey-haired, terrifying womanwho, like all the children had
nightmares over she, was theheadmistress of our primary
school.
Our infant school, was tryingout everyone for choir.
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I don't remember having achoice.
I think I wanted to be in thechoir, I can't quite remember,
but we had to line up and then,one by one, we'd walk to the
piano where she was playingtwinkle, twinkle little star,
and we had to sing a bar andbased on that performance, we
were sent to this side of theroom where you got to be in the
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choir, or that side of the roomwhere you were not good enough.
It was very clear.
So my 10 second audition I wastrembling with fear, my voice
was strangled and I was sent tothat side of the room, and that
was kind of it.
Lauri (05:37):
I'm not.
I'm not opening my mouth everagain yeah, oh, it pains me to
hear that in some ways, and I'mso glad that you have found your
way to the glimpse of the endof the story that we've already
gotten.
You know, I know from.
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I am not a singing instructor.
I'm a speaking instructor and avoice coach, and when I was
going through my voicecertification, we did have to
sing and at that point in mylife when we had to sing, my
voice went haywire, like Icouldn't even hit the right
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pitch.
I'm an actor who can carry adamn good tune.
I can hit pitches.
I'm an actor who can carry adamn good tune.
I can hit pitches.
So I'm seeing you at five yearsold knowing that you cannot
tell in 10 seconds.
It's almost like you knowyou're at a school for magicians
and they gave you 10 secondsand you didn't do it their way.
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So they, they put you over withthe non-singers, over with the
mere mortals, when in realitythere's a magician inside.
Giselle (06:52):
Yeah, what I did excel at was academic stuff.
So that became my safe zone andapparently when I was home and
in my safe zone I was very fullyexpressed and my parents used
to say I should be on the stage.
That was their perspective.
(07:15):
I don't know if it was true,but it certainly got shut down
in any kind of public space soit became private only.
Lauri (07:29):
Mm-hmm, yeah, any.
Um, I don't know what theeducation system you know.
I know what education is likein the United States and there's
a TED talk Do Schools KillCreativity?
By Sir Ken Robinson.
The answer is yes, they do.
(07:51):
In case you know spoiler alertif you haven't heard that TED
talk.
So when you said it, I made theassumption that it was.
You know, the stuff that iswrong with the school system is
that it's suppressing and it'sremoving creativity, and it was
designed at a time when weneeded to groom people to be
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working on factory floors and todo everything the same way.
And we haven't really, here inthis country, torn down our
education system and replaced itwith what we need now.
So it makes sense to me thatyou were vibrant and alive in
your private space and peoplewere saying you should be on
stage and out when they're going.
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No, don't do that.
Don't be that.
It was not shining.
Giselle (08:38):
Yeah, and I think back in the 80s, when teachers still
had a lot of freedom to teachtheir classes the way that they
wanted to, it's almost it's asynchronicity that I had Mrs
Skimmel shut me down because Icould equally have had some
beautiful angel who was in theteaching faculty bring me out.
Lauri (08:58):
So it just becomes part of but yeah it was a, it was an
imprinting formative moment, forsure I know there are more
formative key moments on yourjourney.
Yeah, what's the next?
Giselle (09:16):
the next one, okay.
So all through school,strenuous avoidance of anything
that would have me on a stageand speaking.
So if we were doing a play Iwas at the back of the room
sitting on my hands, likeanything I could do to get out
of that vulnerable exposure.
But by the time I got touniversity, you know it was, it
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was heart-hammering to have tospeak like extinction level,
danger, threat, and that's why Itried to back out of it.
But there'd be moments in classwhere, like I would just like,
there'd be someone asking aquestion because I hadn't
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understood the teacher'spresentation, and all through
school, you know, I'd finish mywork, there'd be kids who didn't
understand the work and I'djust go around to their desks
and just one-on-one explain tothem what they didn't get, and
then the light bulb would go onand you know it's just something
that I did.
And so in those bigger classesin university, in tutorials,
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there'd be someone who didn'tunderstand something and I knew
that I had the missing piece ofinformation and so I kind of
knew it was my cue to speak.
But the heart would starthammering.
I'd be terrified.
I was like, oh, for fuck'ssakes, like why, like these
people are my friends, I'm inclass with them every day and so
I just choose to overcome thatand share something that made a
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difference, and then I'd shut upagain.
But it really came to a headLike I just couldn't handle that
feeling in my body and I wasstudying homeopathy by this time
and there's a remedy calledGelsamium and Gelsamium has it's
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one of the four remedies youcan use for like exam nerves or
anticipation anxiety, and it hasprogressive paralysis.
So you, like you literally blankout in gelsemium starts on the
mental, emotional plane and itcan progress all the way to
physical.
You can use it for physicalparalysis as well and I thought
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brilliant, I've got this biochempresentation coming up.
I will take Gilles Séméon, halfan hour before my presentation
Again, to a room full of peopleI was in class with every week.
I am not frightened of thesepeople, but my body was, and so
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I took the gel sand in and Ican't remember what my
presentation was on.
But you know we all had a topicand it was my turn.
So I got up to the front of theclass and I delivered my
opening lines but I was like Ihad this profound.
I can't be bothered evenspeaking come over me.
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I was so calm, I could havefallen asleep.
And it was like mechanical, toforce myself to spit out the
lines of my presentation, and Igot through it.
It was weird.
Afterwards my friends came upto me and they said, hey, what
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happened up there?
Like you started so well andthen like you sort of weren't
there, and I realized, asuncomfortable as the adrenaline
is, it made me super present,like there was a purpose to
being, you know, pumped andtrembling.
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It was overkill, but without itI couldn't even be bothered to
speak.
Lauri (13:04):
Yeah, yeah, everybody out in the traditional speaking
world talks a lot about calmingdown.
That is one danger of thecalming down where it was true
calmness and too much calmness,rather than knowing that
speaking is a moment that reallymatters to you.
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So what can you do with thatenergy?
How can we teach our bodiesthat speaking in front of a
crowd is not the same thing ashaving a big, hungry bear come
walking into the room and yousaid like you knew those people.
And you said, like you knewthose people, your mind knew I
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shouldn't be experiencing thisterror in my body.
And yet the body was doing itsjob and experiencing the terror
because it hadn't learned yet.
This is not the same thing as abear walking into the room.
And in case there's anybody elselistening who has also been
through that, why do I suddenlyget afraid when I'm in a room
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full of people that I know and Itrust and they turn and look at
me?
Then, all of a sudden, thatheart starts going.
The energy is different.
Instead of feeling like you'reone of, when everyone in a
circle turns and looks at us,the energy has shifted and it
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feels more like we are on thespot or we are spotlighted and
we have to learn how to have theappropriate level of sensation,
energy, adrenaline and how tohave it move instead of trying
to shut it down.
The other way that it shutsdown is that people become numb,
(14:51):
so they're not really calm likeyou were, they're more
petrified, like stone and thenout of your body, yeah, and then
, out of your body.
Yeah, what was the?
Giselle (15:09):
next leg on your journey.
Yeah, um, just to finish offthat one.
You know I it was a dry topic.
I'd taken the time to make itinteresting, so that it was a
good use of time for the classand because I got to calm, I
lost all of that quality of themessage and the conveyance.
So I took that message to heartand fast forward some more
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years.
It was a four-year degree but Istarted with no babies and
finished with three, so it tookme eight.
So when I got to my final yearand I was doing my grand rounds
presentation, my third baby waslet's see how old would she be?
She was still under a year andmy husband was fantastic at like
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bringing me the baby when sheneeded feeding and then like
taking her away.
But she wanted to be with hermama and actually I felt way
more comfortable with my baby onmy hip.
So I did my grand roundspresentation with my baby on my
hip because these were the, thebabies of my, my degree as well.
They kind of belonged toeveryone in my in.
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They'd been in classes a lotand that real anchor allowed me
to deliver.
So I was learning I just needto be connected to something
real, and then I can just do itin service of whatever the forum
is.
Yeah.
Lauri (16:45):
Yeah, hearing you talk about that now it makes so much
sense on a number of levels.
Actors, when they're on a stage, when they have to stand there
and do a monologue, where youhave nothing in your hands, it's
it's hard in a gazillion waysand one of the reasons is that
you can't have a prop to hold,something to ground you and you
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had a baby on your hip, a babythat came from your womb, close
to your womb on your hip, andyou're a sacral authority.
How lucky that he.
You know she wanted to be mymama that day, because the part
of you that can handle anythingI have not given birth, I'm not
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a mom, so I have this like, ifyou can do that, you can do
anything.
It was.
You were really in that andaware of that in your body, even
if your mind was not puttingall those pieces together as it
was happening.
Giselle (17:48):
Yeah, that's such an astute observation because the
mother in me is the eminentlycapable, actually can do
anything Like throw it at me.
Lauri (18:03):
How did it go?
How was it received?
What did you learn from it?
Giselle (18:08):
it was fine, like if I look back on it, that's really
all I can remember um I did itwell, no big deal.
I think I forgot to submit thewritten part afterwards, like I
like checked the box after Istepped off the stage, but they
loved me and forgave me forforgetting due process.
Lauri (18:28):
Yeah, yeah and where did that lead you next?
Giselle (18:34):
next, through a long, long chain of synchronicities, I
ended up taking that ability towork one-on-one into the online
space.
I got a tap on the shoulderthat says I said you'll be
working online, and I reallydidn't know what that meant at
the time.
(18:54):
It was all you know, I finisheduniversity before we had online
tutorials.
It was all still in person andI just thought it was weird that
you would meet, not in personin a zoom room.
But I'd started to investigatethe online space and at first I
just thought I'd be doingnaturopathic consultations,
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homeopathic consultations, atdistance, and then I thought the
most I could possibly have tooffer was maybe the law of
attraction, in an Australianaccent like I had no idea what
else it was that I valued, thatI could possibly share with the
world um but throughit through it like an.
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It's a story in and of itself.
I ended up in a course.
That course, incidentally, washow kylie and I met back in 2015
and made friends.
Um was absolutely a fish out ofwater, but I was meant to be
there, and periscope was thesocial media big thing of the
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time, and the wisdom was startdoing live streams.
And so then it's like talkinginto a dot on your phone, which
was like next level weird.
You had to, like suspend yourdisbelief that it's a phone,
that it's actually a group ofpeople who you want to speak to.
And so one day I decided, okay,this is the day I'm going to do
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my first Periscope Live, and Idecided that I wasn't going to
let myself go home until I'ddone it.
So I did all my stuff in townand I went down to a really
lovely cliff.
That's near the little villagewhere I live and there's a
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really nice walk along thecliffs there through nature, and
I thought I'll give myself thatsetting so that I can ground
and then I will speak into thedot.
Laurie, I stood there.
I stood there for an hour I willspeak into the thoughts, like
eyes on the dot.
It took me an hour to pressrecord.
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Like every time I was about tolike jump off the cliff, I'd
hesitate.
This is ridiculous.
So eventually I just like, ohfor fuck's sakes, just press,
walk, speak.
Whatever happens, happens,you're not going to die.
And so I did.
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I really wasn't going to letmyself go home until I had, you
know, faced this particularhurdle and I started to ramble.
Periscope had live viewers, butnot you, didn't have followers,
and I don't, oh, I can't evenremember.
Anyway, I was speaking and thefirst person popped on I have no
idea where in the world theywere and I'm like, oh my God,
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there's a human on the otherside.
I don't know who it is.
And then there were two viewers, and so I just like rambled.
And then I was just beginningto get like into the groove of
it when I inhaled a fly.
I inhaled it like properlydeeply, so that the next thing
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that these two live straightdown, the next thing these two
live viewers got, was me on allfours, retching up a fly.
And I decided to like at thatpoint, and so I kind of like
picked myself up, got my breathback, held my head high and, uh,
drive home.
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Because I did it.
I pressed the button and Ispoke, and I made myself leave
it up there for the full 24hours before I deleted it and no
one can ever find it and youwill never see me, even if you
troll the internet um retchingon a fly.
But it was such a great story Ifelt like it belonged in the
trajectory of this uh speakingjourney it does, it does and it
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even you know.
Lauri (23:03):
When you were saying it this time, I thought you know.
People pay good money forayahuasca now to have similar
experiences.
People pay good money forayahuasca now to have similar
experiences, where they'reexorcising things that could be
holding them back, that theydon't need anymore, and it feels
like, in an odd way, the flymay have helped you.
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The fly flew in and then youretched up the fly and possibly
retched up some of the thingsthat were holding you back or
getting in your way at the sametime maybe and it's also so
human and so endearing for us.
I know, right, probably not whenyou're choking on the fly.
(23:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember seeing at LilithFair a singer in the 90s singing
and she tripped and fellbackwards.
So she's got the mic and she'ssinging and she falls down
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backwards and because the mic isright there, you could hear the
lung cavern when she hit theground and she just took a
breath on her back and kept ongoing and I was so impressed by
that.
And when you were sharing yourstory of the fly and you picking
yourself up, dusting yourselfoff and heading on home, it's
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simultaneously, oh my gosh.
She's a human being and I'mincredibly impressed that she
picked herself up and theglowing you that I see now is
the one who picked herself upand walked back toward the car
and headed home.
Giselle (24:47):
Yeah, I forgave myself.
And you know, the whole pointof doing lives is to create that
human connection.
So when you polish out all ofthe human like, what's the point
?
People want to connect to areal human.
And if I think about you know,my husband, before I knew him,
loved being on the stage.
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They did the importance ofbeing earnest in school and the
best story that comes out ofthat is when someone forgot
their lines and they just likeimprovised.
And same thing if I think of mydear friends from my final year
of school Same play, actually.
And again it was where theystumbled and then just like
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picked themselves up.
It was the funniest part, likethe one that got the most
applause from the whole thing.
Lauri (25:37):
so yeah, yeah, it's definitely why.
Why I love live theater, I amstill an actor.
I do not really do film actor.
I do not really do film, andit's in part because you get to
do it every night and it'sdifferent every single night,
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and you do come away withstories, and often the stories
that are the most interestingare the ones where something
went quote unquote wrong,somebody forgot their lines, a
piece of the set broke, somebodyfrom the audience started
talking back, and the same thingis.
Speaking and theater are sosimilar.
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Live talks, whether it's liveon Periscope or live in the room
with people, what makes itspecial is the connection with
the people that are there onthat day.
Giselle (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Hmm, yeah, we could probablyhave the chariots of you know
where you have the inspirationalsong and you get the little
moments on the journey it's allcoming together now she learned
she wasn't going to die.
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She learned that when sheactually opened her mouth to say
what felt like it wanted to besaid, that it made a difference
to at least one person in theroom.
She made that stronger than thevisceral, historical fear that
was in her body and she got pasthumiliation.
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So I was like, okay, now we'reall clear.
The next thing that happened,as the music starts to play,
would be 2018 was where all ofthose pieces came together.
So Kylie messages me thatAvery's coming to Australia to
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teach a weekend workshop inalchemy.
I've been gloriously minding myown business, doing a morning
practice.
That was really starting tomove the needle for me and I
would have happily stayed therequite a bit longer, but I'd
ripened it to the point where itwas shareable, like if I shared
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what I was doing with someone,it was likely to make a
difference to their experienceas well, and I was properly
broke.
I know a lot of people say you,you know I don't have any money
.
But if I say I don't have anymoney, it means I've already
been through the couch cushionsfor spare change to buy milk and
there's nothing else left soit's properly broke and I really
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wanted.
I knew I had to be in the roomwith Avery so I was like, okay
have I got.
I was learning hypnosis fromMarissa Peer.
I had this morning practice andit just came to me like in an
inspired flash to create aprogram called the Lioness Way
of Bliss, to build the plane onthe way down, and I just put up
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a Facebook post that said I'mdoing a thing.
Who wants to join me?
And I made it like 150 150bucks for six weeks and I had 22
women join me for that and Ibuilt the program around them
what they wanted in their lives.
It was a mixture of alchemy andhypnosis and by the end of it
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one of the participants said itwas like drinking freedom
through a fire hose.
But I literally made it up likea day ahead.
But I was responding to thepeople who had said like they'd
responded to me.
I was responding to them and inservice of what they wanted.
I found myself doing hour-longlives each week, making a
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recorded audio workshop andmaking these really powerful
hypno audios for them to listento as they went to sleep each
night, and I loved it Like itwas real.
Yes, I was talking into the dot, but I knew who I was talking
to and it was real, yes, so good.
Lauri (29:55):
What a change in the talking to the green dot that
when you were connected to whoyou're talking to and why you're
sharing what you're sharing.
Now, all of a sudden, the greendot is a gateway to connection,
a gateway to service, a gatewayto impact, a gateway to
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changing the world.
Instead of like the tiniestgreen spotlight ever created,
yeah, with who knows who.
Giselle (30:27):
On the other side, yeah , yeah.
Lauri (30:30):
Yeah Well, I'm so glad you kept going and making
friends with the green dot.
Giselle (30:40):
Well, some part of me knew that I had a lorry in my
future to connect with, sothere's no backing out now, yeah
, now, um, yeah.
So the next, the next piece,would be um.
As soon as I trained withmarissa pierre, I knew that I
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was going to be training for her, which brought me back to the
training I used to do with mymother when I was a teenager,
just facilitating a room full ofpeople understandings new
concepts really well.
And so that happened.
A year later, and, you know, toa huge room full of people, I
was asked to demonstrate puttingsomeone into hypnosis long
distance via zoom, because atthat point, you know, 97% of my
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work was online, and so I satthere in the chair and I had the
eyes of probably over a hundredpeople on me and there was a
little bit of this, but itdidn't matter because I knew why
I was there and what I wasspeaking in service of, and I
had the entire room absolutelymesmerized by what I was sharing
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with them.
And I know that because theytold me the tiny little bit of
this.
Lauri (31:55):
in my experience, you want a tiny little bit of that.
It made me present.
Because, if it's yeah, yeah, itmakes you present.
It's when it's a bigger moment.
If an athlete is going to run arace and they don't have a
little bit of that before theystart running, it's not going to
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go well.
They might not even be able tofinish, they might get injured,
who knows.
So a little bit of this givesyou the extra something to hold
that bigger room than if youwere just delivering the same
message to me one-on-one.
Yeah, totally.
I think that's more for peoplelistening than that was for
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Giselle.
Like if you're feeling this.
That's one of the ways it'ssupposed to be.
You're not broken.
If you're feeling a little bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump,
bump, bump, or even a lot ofbump, bump, bump, bump, don't
fight it.
Do what Giselle has beentalking about where you are in
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service, who are you serving,connect to that and take your
breaths and open your mouth withthe bump, bump, bump, bump and
speak from there.
Giselle (33:15):
I love that.
It's probably just one of thebiggest shifts, and I took a
YouTube course in service ofgetting the hang of this
speaking into the green dotthing.
I didn't really follow throughwith much of it, but the
takeaway was stop making itabout you and make it about the
person that you're speaking to,which was naturally what my
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energy wanted to do anyway, andit made all the difference.
It's just like so what?
So what?
Like there's a person on theother end who can receive value
in their own way from whatyou're sharing.
Otherwise you wouldn't be doingit.
You've got so many betterthings to do than stare into a
dot and speak.
Lauri (34:01):
Yeah, for so many lightworkers, soul workers,
service-oriented people.
We wouldn't be doing it if itweren't for something that we're
serving.
So the more we can turn thevolume up on that in whatever
ways we do, the easier it'sgoing to be to stare into the
(34:25):
green light or go stand on a redcarpet, the green light or go
stand on a red carpet.
Giselle (34:34):
Yeah.
So next piece would be there'sabout four years there where
hypnosis was my main tool, andin a hypnosis session you induct
someone into that state wherethey can access their own wisdom
, go back to three scenes thatconnect the dots on the inner
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story of why this thing thatappears as the problem is going
on, so that their awarenessexpands and they completely get
the inner story that's makingthe heart hammer, you know, or
whatever it is like.
Oh yeah, that'll make sense nowand in that inner mind's place
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it's actually easy to let it gobecause you literally understand
not in your head but in yourbody and you also know that it
belongs to the past and not tonow.
So within the session frameworkyou do all of that together and
then I've carefully taken notesin the beginning of what that
person really wants toexperience.
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I've taken really clear mentalnotes along the way of their key
words and themes, and then it'smy job to like okay, chill now
hit record and speak back thenew reality.
That is true for them andpretty much everyone who trains
(35:57):
with marissa pierre likeagonizes over the script at
first and like wants to get itright.
I kind of had bullet points tohold the structure, but I just a
.
I A I didn't have time, b Icouldn't be asked, like let's
just do it, and so I justallowed my voice to say what
needed to be said to that person.
(36:19):
You know, hit record, endrecord, send it to them on
WhatsApp.
They listened to it for atleast three weeks and I just got
the hang of doing that.
It's like speaking I guess whatyou call speaking in channel,
but it's really just connectingto that person and giving the
words that they need to havewhispered back into their
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nervous system and subconsciousmind and build the pictures of
the future that they're going toautomatically move towards them
.
And because I'd already studiedalchemy, I had the structure,
the geometry of that new realityembedded in that audio.
And what I got told again andagain was like your voice oh my
(36:59):
god, your voice.
Like it just does things on theinside and even when they'd
listened for their three weeks,often they kept going, or they
came back to it a year later andthen messaged me and said I'm
still getting so much from thataudio.
Like it's incredible and I'mlike, okay, so my voice does
things.
It has a job to do.
(37:20):
So, again, life was teaching methe role of my voice and
allowing it to do its job.
Lauri (37:32):
Yeah, I've absolutely experienced that myself.
I'm feeling it right now and Iremember the thought that I had
when I was watching the video ofyou was it was awakening the
part of me that already knewthat what you were sharing was
(37:52):
true, for me, perfect which wasthe entire intention of that
transmission yeah, so when youhave an intention, you may not
always have someone come tellyou that they experienced the
exact intention.
and someone out there is.
And it was not my brain havingthoughts, it was more that I was
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having an experience in mywhole self and my brain
translated what that meant whenI would describe it to others as
I'm describing it to you Now.
I'm putting words to it thatdescribe it.
Yeah.
Giselle (38:39):
Yeah.
Lauri (38:40):
And it you know, when you were put out of the singing
line.
You have a voice that sings ina different way, and if she
hadn't moved you to that otherline, you might have been an
opera singer or something,instead of doing the work in the
(39:03):
world that you're doing now.
Giselle (39:06):
Yeah.
So letting, letting the is-nessof all things be is just so
much easier than wishing it weredifferent or saying it should
be another way.
So by the time we met I guesssince 2020, when the world
turned upside down I startedgrowing a membership, or
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evolving a membership.
I haven't grown it big, butI've.
But it's become more and morepowerful in their evolution
because, again, I'm alwaysresponding to the people who are
there and then like how can Imake this better?
How can I make this better?
And my main toolkit shifted fromhypnosis, which taught me so
much about the geometry of whatgoes on inside our minds, to
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site k, because it's justsimpler power, more powerful and
more effective, unless I'mbreaking ancient curses or
there's something really shadowythat needs to be seen.
Hypnosis is still a great toolfor that, but mostly site k
covers it more quickly withouthaving to spend so much time on
the story, and that's had meteaching weekly workshops and
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making audios for a purpose forthe last five years now four or
five years.
So I'm really getting the hangof this thing now.
And it culminated, you know, inthe story with when you and I
met and I'm like okay, there aremore people who are meant to
(40:40):
receive this.
The best way is throughreferrals.
I choose that referral as themain way new people find me now
and then again kylie's been suchan amazing, important figure in
my story and the next thing Igot an invitation.
Yeah, well, it's like yes, yes,I will show up for that.
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And even if my heart goes likethis a little bit.
I know why I'm here and my pureintention is to ping the
antennae of anyone who is meantto hear what I say.
It's not up to me, I don't carewho doesn't like it, who it
doesn't resonate with yeah I'monly in service of the people I
(41:23):
have, in the broadest terms,some kind of soul contract with,
because we said we'd do thisand that's all that matters
anyway yeah, yeah, and that'sthe.
Lauri (41:35):
In addition to she's awakening a remembering of
something in me, I also had thefeeling.
It's an energy that I felt acouple of times you, you know
key people in my life of.
It's like static is moving outof the way and I can feel a
(41:55):
magnetism with the person.
Everyone, from someone that Imet in graduate school to my
husband, to different peoplethat I've worked with.
Like you, that was definitelyin there as well, and part of
what I hear in what you'resaying is you trusted that, you
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knew what was needed.
You trusted all of the studyingthat you had done and the notes
that you have taken aboutpeople.
And then you've got an outlineand then you talk to them.
You've got a couple of noteswritten down and then you speak
to them and you allow it to comeout of.
(42:40):
You live that time in the waythat it needs to, whether it's
for one person or a hundredpeople or you're not really sure
, is it for one or a hundred?
And I say all the time topeople speaking is like Saturday
night live, and there's areally tangible example of this
(43:02):
happening with Giselle.
Speaking is not like reading abook and reading every single
word of the book that you'vepre-programmed ahead of time.
It's not like a movie wherethere's two hours worth of
script that's already written.
Saturday Night Live is an improvshow.
(43:22):
They improvise all week.
They take some notes,oversimplifying it a little bit.
They've got bullet pointsbackstage of what are the scenes
that we're doing and what arethe markers of what we're doing
that we need to hit.
And, just like we were sayingabout the theater and the
speaking, if you've watchedSaturday Night Live or any other
(43:43):
improv show, the best momentsare when you can tell somebody
did something slightly differentfrom all of the rehearsals.
And they're cracking theprofessional improvisers up and
you can see them like puttingtheir head under a plant and
things like that.
This is an example of what Imean when I say it's like
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Saturday Night Live.
The Saturday Night Live actorshave studied their craft and
then they go out live and theydo the thing with some bullet
points, with the people and withthe methods that she's sharing
(44:25):
in the world.
With that outline, she opensher mouth and lets it come out
that time.
Giselle (44:42):
And she's reaching people like me who are meant to
find her using her voice.
Love that.
While you're saying all of that, laurie, I'm aware of two
things, way, way, way back whenI used to do teaching with my
mother, which was a new way ofteaching dyslexic people adults
and children to decode thelanguage.
(45:04):
Sometimes I'd have naughtylittle boys who pretended they
didn't want to be there.
Like, so gorgeous, like what Igot to do with those kids who
had developed a belief that theywere stupid because they
couldn't read.
Insanely intelligent, like thenext criminal mastermind if they
(45:25):
put their mind to it, kind of athing.
Um would say they didn't wantto be there.
They're like well, if you don'twant to be here, I don't want
to teach you.
And they'd be like no, no, Iwant to be here and I I actually
don't want to engage withanyone who doesn't want to be
here.
(45:47):
So it allows me to put aside thewhole world of like, get the
numbers, get the people,convince them to come into your
world.
It's like, if you don't want tobe here, I don't want anything
to do with you.
And the beauty of the arc fromavoidance to allowing my voice
to do its job is.
(46:08):
I've gone from the visceralterror that I will be killed,
which you know a lot of it'sthis lifetime.
I've touched past parallelepigenetic whatever you want to
call it imprints that say itreally is dangerous to open your
mouth and be seen.
So I've gone from you're gonnayou're gonna be killed.
(46:28):
So I literally adore everysingle person in my world.
Like the love is palpable.
Um, so that's.
That's the real victory yeah,yeah.
Lauri (46:54):
And when you tune into the radio signal, you, everyone
who is meant to be drawn intoyour world knows you.
When they see, you, hear you,feel you because you're in
alignment and you'rebroadcasting on a pure signal
instead of let me try to fitmyself over into this box over
here and have it come out likebeautiful you know, in alchemy,
(47:14):
truth is a paradox, right likeit should hurt your brain every
time you touch truth.
Giselle (47:19):
And so we now have these platforms where we can
speak to the entire world, whichis so vulnerable, because all
the people who will throw stonesand hang you from a tree are
out there as well.
And the paradox is, if youreally drop into your frequency
just exactly what you're here todo, only the people who are
(47:40):
meant to hear you will noticeyou exist.
Meant to hear you will noticeyou exist.
The rest will move on within 10seconds.
Lauri (47:56):
Oh, this isn't for me.
Love that paradox.
Love that paradox.
If something in you isresonating with Giselle and you
want to explore more in herworld, you can go to her website
, whitelionalchemyearth.
Lion has a silent E.
She has a bingeable audioseries there called the Five
Phases of Creating Somethingfrom Nothing that you can
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download, and she's made aspecial gift to my podcast
listeners.
If you click shop on thewebsite, you can find a
self-referenced personalworkshop.
Access your Full Potential.
Use the code Lori L-A-U-R-I atcheckout to get it for free.
She also occasionally posts onInstagram.
(48:39):
You can follow her at at MamaLioness M-A-M-A-L-I-O-N-E-S-S-E.
Enjoy, okay it's time to moveinto Pivo Pivot.
Okay, say the first thing thatcomes from your sacral authority
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what's your favorite word?
Giselle (49:10):
Melifluous.
Lauri (49:15):
What's your favorite cuss word?
Giselle (49:18):
Oh, I'm old school on this one.
I don't think you can go pastthe mouthfeel and the
versatility of fuck can go pastthe mouth, feel and the
versatility of fuck.
Lauri (49:31):
What turns you on creatively, spiritually or
emotionally.
Being in nature.
What?
Giselle (49:41):
turns you off.
Lauri (49:45):
Too long in a city.
Giselle (49:49):
What sound or noise do you love?
I love when I'm in bed andthere's rain on the tin roof and
there's nowhere that I have tobe and nothing that I have to do
, and it just melts me.
Lauri (50:07):
What sound or noise do you hate?
Giselle (50:11):
The sound I hate most is there's a particular tone in
people's voices when they repeatwith conviction the lies they
have bought and sold themselves.
It's like nails on a chalkboardto me.
Lauri (50:32):
What profession other than your own would be fun to
try?
Giselle (50:40):
Musician.
Lauri (50:43):
What profession would you not like to do?
Giselle (50:50):
Any kind of computer desk job all day, every day.
Lauri (50:58):
And Giselle.
What do you hope people sayabout you on your 100th birthday
?
You should put me in touch withmy true nature.
Done Putting me in touch withmy true nature, putting our
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listeners in touch with theirtrue nature.
Thank you so much for takingthe time to come here and for
saying yes when we came intoeach other's worlds.
Giselle (51:34):
There was only ever the answer yes.
Thank you, Lauren.
Welcome back to the Soulful Speaking podcast.
I am so excited about my guesttoday, Giselle Genoway.
Giselle and I were broughttogether through synchronicity.
I'll give you a little bit moreabout that in a moment.
She is a trained naturopath,homeopath, hypnotherapist, psych
K facilitator, apprentice ofalchemy and student of natural
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success.
Born into a long line ofteachers, she's worked with
individuals and groups since theage of 11.
Welcome, welcome, welcome,Giselle.
Giselle (00:37):
Laurie, I am so delighted to be here with you to
be here with you.
Lauri (00:48):
I am going to say a little bit more about our
synchronicity from myperspective and then, and how we
met, and you can feel free tochime in Awesome.
I was in a program by ConsciousMarketer and the arc of my time
there was coming to an end, so Idecided to binge all of the
bonus material that came with mymembership before the
(01:08):
cancellation, and up until thatpoint, I had been simultaneously
drawn to a bonus, teaching thatGiselle did and also avoiding
it.
And when I sat down to bingewatch everything before
canceling, hers floated up asthe.
I have to watch that right now,and I actually don't think I
(01:29):
watched any of the rest of them,because as I was watching, I
knew that I was meant to be inher world and just went down the
rabbit hole of.
I'm gonna figure out how I cancontact her and send her a
Facebook message or or anInstagram message I don't
remember which one and the rest,as they say, is history and we
(01:52):
are now creating more historytogether yes, we are, and what's
so beautiful about youpresenting your side of the
synchronicity is over.
Giselle (02:02):
On this side of the story, kylie and I have known
each other for years.
It's through Kylie that I wasintroduced to the alchemy that
I'm now so immersed in, and Ihad made a really clear
intention that I would meeteveryone I needed to like to
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fill my programs and one-on-onesthe people that I'm actually
meant to work with throughreferral.
And the next thing thathappened was Kylie decides that
she wants me to teach alchemy.
We'd had a couple of voicemessages just personal friends
between us, and she was like Iwant you to teach this for
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conscious marketer.
And she shouted me out onFacebook and then directed me to
the post.
It's like I haven't I haven'ttold her yet, but I'm sure
she'll say yes.
She's like of course I'll sayyes so that was such a beautiful
opportunity to share.
Um, you know what I live andbreathe in service of all of
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those gorgeous people who'vebeen attracted to Kylie's world.
So it's just such a melting potof synchronicities that bring
everyone together.
And my intention if we jump tothe end of my speaking journey,
that's almost like final chapter.
I just showed up with the fullintention that you know to say
what needed to be said, thatthere were people who would hear
(03:28):
what I had to say, and that thewords that I spoke and the way
that I said them would awakenwhatever they needed.
So I was just absolutelycompletely in service and let it
take over.
And then you jumped into myworld both feet and it's been
such a delight yeah, so good.
Lauri (03:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely what I experienced,
the something awakened in mewhen hearing you speak.
And now that we've teasedeveryone, I want to go back to
the beginning.
Where and how did your speakingjourney begin?
Giselle (04:10):
So I think if we, if we have to characterize, like the
movie title, it's from strenuousavoidance to that voice in
service, the point that, likewhen I hypnotised myself to like
untangle my stuff, a point thatI really went back to very
(04:32):
often I can't have been morethan five.
It was second class and MrsSkimmel, this tall, stern,
grey-haired, terrifying womanwho, like all the children had
nightmares over she, was theheadmistress of our primary
school.
Our infant school, was tryingout everyone for choir.
(04:56):
I don't remember having achoice.
I think I wanted to be in thechoir, I can't quite remember,
but we had to line up and then,one by one, we'd walk to the
piano where she was playingtwinkle, twinkle little star,
and we had to sing a bar andbased on that performance, we
were sent to this side of theroom where you got to be in the
(05:18):
choir, or that side of the roomwhere you were not good enough.
It was very clear.
So my 10 second audition I wastrembling with fear, my voice
was strangled and I was sent tothat side of the room, and that
was kind of it.
Lauri (05:37):
I'm not.
I'm not opening my mouth everagain yeah, oh, it pains me to
hear that in some ways, and I'mso glad that you have found your
way to the glimpse of the endof the story that we've already
gotten.
You know, I know from.
(05:59):
I am not a singing instructor.
I'm a speaking instructor and avoice coach, and when I was
going through my voicecertification, we did have to
sing and at that point in mylife when we had to sing, my
voice went haywire, like Icouldn't even hit the right
(06:19):
pitch.
I'm an actor who can carry adamn good tune.
I can hit pitches.
I'm an actor who can carry adamn good tune.
I can hit pitches.
So I'm seeing you at five yearsold knowing that you cannot
tell in 10 seconds.
It's almost like you knowyou're at a school for magicians
and they gave you 10 secondsand you didn't do it their way.
(06:42):
So they, they put you over withthe non-singers, over with the
mere mortals, when in realitythere's a magician inside.
Giselle (06:52):
Yeah, what I did excel at was academic stuff.
So that became my safe zone andapparently when I was home and
in my safe zone I was very fullyexpressed and my parents used
to say I should be on the stage.
That was their perspective.
(07:15):
I don't know if it was true,but it certainly got shut down
in any kind of public space soit became private only.
Lauri (07:29):
Mm-hmm, yeah, any.
Um, I don't know what theeducation system you know.
I know what education is likein the United States and there's
a TED talk Do Schools KillCreativity?
By Sir Ken Robinson.
The answer is yes, they do.
(07:51):
In case you know spoiler alertif you haven't heard that TED
talk.
So when you said it, I made theassumption that it was.
You know, the stuff that iswrong with the school system is
that it's suppressing and it'sremoving creativity, and it was
designed at a time when weneeded to groom people to be
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working on factory floors and todo everything the same way.
And we haven't really, here inthis country, torn down our
education system and replaced itwith what we need now.
So it makes sense to me thatyou were vibrant and alive in
your private space and peoplewere saying you should be on
stage and out when they're going.
(08:33):
No, don't do that.
Don't be that.
It was not shining.
Giselle (08:38):
Yeah, and I think back in the 80s, when teachers still
had a lot of freedom to teachtheir classes the way that they
wanted to, it's almost it's asynchronicity that I had Mrs
Skimmel shut me down because Icould equally have had some
beautiful angel who was in theteaching faculty bring me out.
Lauri (08:58):
So it just becomes part of but yeah it was a, it was an
imprinting formative moment, forsure I know there are more
formative key moments on yourjourney.
Yeah, what's the next?
Giselle (09:16):
the next one, okay.
So all through school,strenuous avoidance of anything
that would have me on a stageand speaking.
So if we were doing a play Iwas at the back of the room
sitting on my hands, likeanything I could do to get out
of that vulnerable exposure.
But by the time I got touniversity, you know it was, it
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was heart-hammering to have tospeak like extinction level,
danger, threat, and that's why Itried to back out of it.
But there'd be moments in classwhere, like I would just like,
there'd be someone asking aquestion because I hadn't
(10:00):
understood the teacher'spresentation, and all through
school, you know, I'd finish mywork, there'd be kids who didn't
understand the work and I'djust go around to their desks
and just one-on-one explain tothem what they didn't get, and
then the light bulb would go onand you know it's just something
that I did.
And so in those bigger classesin university, in tutorials,
(10:23):
there'd be someone who didn'tunderstand something and I knew
that I had the missing piece ofinformation and so I kind of
knew it was my cue to speak.
But the heart would starthammering.
I'd be terrified.
I was like, oh, for fuck'ssakes, like why, like these
people are my friends, I'm inclass with them every day and so
I just choose to overcome thatand share something that made a
(10:48):
difference, and then I'd shut upagain.
But it really came to a headLike I just couldn't handle that
feeling in my body and I wasstudying homeopathy by this time
and there's a remedy calledGelsamium and Gelsamium has it's
(11:08):
one of the four remedies youcan use for like exam nerves or
anticipation anxiety, and it hasprogressive paralysis.
So you, like you literally blankout in gelsemium starts on the
mental, emotional plane and itcan progress all the way to
physical.
You can use it for physicalparalysis as well and I thought
(11:30):
brilliant, I've got this biochempresentation coming up.
I will take Gilles Séméon, halfan hour before my presentation
Again, to a room full of peopleI was in class with every week.
I am not frightened of thesepeople, but my body was, and so
(11:50):
I took the gel sand in and Ican't remember what my
presentation was on.
But you know we all had a topicand it was my turn.
So I got up to the front of theclass and I delivered my
opening lines but I was like Ihad this profound.
I can't be bothered evenspeaking come over me.
(12:14):
I was so calm, I could havefallen asleep.
And it was like mechanical, toforce myself to spit out the
lines of my presentation, and Igot through it.
It was weird.
Afterwards my friends came upto me and they said, hey, what
(12:34):
happened up there?
Like you started so well andthen like you sort of weren't
there, and I realized, asuncomfortable as the adrenaline
is, it made me super present,like there was a purpose to
being, you know, pumped andtrembling.
(12:55):
It was overkill, but without itI couldn't even be bothered to
speak.
Lauri (13:04):
Yeah, yeah, everybody out in the traditional speaking
world talks a lot about calmingdown.
That is one danger of thecalming down where it was true
calmness and too much calmness,rather than knowing that
speaking is a moment that reallymatters to you.
(13:26):
So what can you do with thatenergy?
How can we teach our bodiesthat speaking in front of a
crowd is not the same thing ashaving a big, hungry bear come
walking into the room and yousaid like you knew those people.
And you said, like you knewthose people, your mind knew I
(13:47):
shouldn't be experiencing thisterror in my body.
And yet the body was doing itsjob and experiencing the terror
because it hadn't learned yet.
This is not the same thing as abear walking into the room.
And in case there's anybody elselistening who has also been
through that, why do I suddenlyget afraid when I'm in a room
(14:10):
full of people that I know and Itrust and they turn and look at
me?
Then, all of a sudden, thatheart starts going.
The energy is different.
Instead of feeling like you'reone of, when everyone in a
circle turns and looks at us,the energy has shifted and it
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feels more like we are on thespot or we are spotlighted and
we have to learn how to have theappropriate level of sensation,
energy, adrenaline and how tohave it move instead of trying
to shut it down.
The other way that it shutsdown is that people become numb,
(14:51):
so they're not really calm likeyou were, they're more
petrified, like stone and thenout of your body, yeah, and then
, out of your body.
Yeah, what was the?
Giselle (15:09):
next leg on your journey.
Yeah, um, just to finish offthat one.
You know I it was a dry topic.
I'd taken the time to make itinteresting, so that it was a
good use of time for the classand because I got to calm, I
lost all of that quality of themessage and the conveyance.
So I took that message to heartand fast forward some more
(15:33):
years.
It was a four-year degree but Istarted with no babies and
finished with three, so it tookme eight.
So when I got to my final yearand I was doing my grand rounds
presentation, my third baby waslet's see how old would she be?
She was still under a year andmy husband was fantastic at like
(16:00):
bringing me the baby when sheneeded feeding and then like
taking her away.
But she wanted to be with hermama and actually I felt way
more comfortable with my baby onmy hip.
So I did my grand roundspresentation with my baby on my
hip because these were the, thebabies of my, my degree as well.
They kind of belonged toeveryone in my in.
(16:23):
They'd been in classes a lotand that real anchor allowed me
to deliver.
So I was learning I just needto be connected to something
real, and then I can just do itin service of whatever the forum
is.
Yeah.
Lauri (16:45):
Yeah, hearing you talk about that now it makes so much
sense on a number of levels.
Actors, when they're on a stage, when they have to stand there
and do a monologue, where youhave nothing in your hands, it's
it's hard in a gazillion waysand one of the reasons is that
you can't have a prop to hold,something to ground you and you
(17:09):
had a baby on your hip, a babythat came from your womb, close
to your womb on your hip, andyou're a sacral authority.
How lucky that he.
You know she wanted to be mymama that day, because the part
of you that can handle anythingI have not given birth, I'm not
(17:31):
a mom, so I have this like, ifyou can do that, you can do
anything.
It was.
You were really in that andaware of that in your body, even
if your mind was not puttingall those pieces together as it
was happening.
Giselle (17:48):
Yeah, that's such an astute observation because the
mother in me is the eminentlycapable, actually can do
anything Like throw it at me.
Lauri (18:03):
How did it go?
How was it received?
What did you learn from it?
Giselle (18:08):
it was fine, like if I look back on it, that's really
all I can remember um I did itwell, no big deal.
I think I forgot to submit thewritten part afterwards, like I
like checked the box after Istepped off the stage, but they
loved me and forgave me forforgetting due process.
Lauri (18:28):
Yeah, yeah and where did that lead you next?
Giselle (18:34):
next, through a long, long chain of synchronicities, I
ended up taking that ability towork one-on-one into the online
space.
I got a tap on the shoulderthat says I said you'll be
working online, and I reallydidn't know what that meant at
the time.
(18:54):
It was all you know, I finisheduniversity before we had online
tutorials.
It was all still in person andI just thought it was weird that
you would meet, not in personin a zoom room.
But I'd started to investigatethe online space and at first I
just thought I'd be doingnaturopathic consultations,
(19:18):
homeopathic consultations, atdistance, and then I thought the
most I could possibly have tooffer was maybe the law of
attraction, in an Australianaccent like I had no idea what
else it was that I valued, thatI could possibly share with the
world um but throughit through it like an.
(19:40):
It's a story in and of itself.
I ended up in a course.
That course, incidentally, washow kylie and I met back in 2015
and made friends.
Um was absolutely a fish out ofwater, but I was meant to be
there, and periscope was thesocial media big thing of the
(20:02):
time, and the wisdom was startdoing live streams.
And so then it's like talkinginto a dot on your phone, which
was like next level weird.
You had to, like suspend yourdisbelief that it's a phone,
that it's actually a group ofpeople who you want to speak to.
And so one day I decided, okay,this is the day I'm going to do
(20:28):
my first Periscope Live, and Idecided that I wasn't going to
let myself go home until I'ddone it.
So I did all my stuff in townand I went down to a really
lovely cliff.
That's near the little villagewhere I live and there's a
(20:50):
really nice walk along thecliffs there through nature, and
I thought I'll give myself thatsetting so that I can ground
and then I will speak into thedot.
Laurie, I stood there.
I stood there for an hour I willspeak into the thoughts, like
eyes on the dot.
It took me an hour to pressrecord.
(21:11):
Like every time I was about tolike jump off the cliff, I'd
hesitate.
This is ridiculous.
So eventually I just like, ohfor fuck's sakes, just press,
walk, speak.
Whatever happens, happens,you're not going to die.
And so I did.
(21:33):
I really wasn't going to letmyself go home until I had, you
know, faced this particularhurdle and I started to ramble.
Periscope had live viewers, butnot you, didn't have followers,
and I don't, oh, I can't evenremember.
Anyway, I was speaking and thefirst person popped on I have no
idea where in the world theywere and I'm like, oh my God,
(21:53):
there's a human on the otherside.
I don't know who it is.
And then there were two viewers, and so I just like rambled.
And then I was just beginningto get like into the groove of
it when I inhaled a fly.
I inhaled it like properlydeeply, so that the next thing
(22:18):
that these two live straightdown, the next thing these two
live viewers got, was me on allfours, retching up a fly.
And I decided to like at thatpoint, and so I kind of like
picked myself up, got my breathback, held my head high and, uh,
drive home.
(22:38):
Because I did it.
I pressed the button and Ispoke, and I made myself leave
it up there for the full 24hours before I deleted it and no
one can ever find it and youwill never see me, even if you
troll the internet um retchingon a fly.
But it was such a great story Ifelt like it belonged in the
trajectory of this uh speakingjourney it does, it does and it
(23:02):
even you know.
Lauri (23:03):
When you were saying it this time, I thought you know.
People pay good money forayahuasca now to have similar
experiences.
People pay good money forayahuasca now to have similar
experiences, where they'reexorcising things that could be
holding them back, that theydon't need anymore, and it feels
like, in an odd way, the flymay have helped you.
(23:25):
The fly flew in and then youretched up the fly and possibly
retched up some of the thingsthat were holding you back or
getting in your way at the sametime maybe and it's also so
human and so endearing for us.
I know, right, probably not whenyou're choking on the fly.
(23:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember seeing at LilithFair a singer in the 90s singing
and she tripped and fellbackwards.
So she's got the mic and she'ssinging and she falls down
(24:12):
backwards and because the mic isright there, you could hear the
lung cavern when she hit theground and she just took a
breath on her back and kept ongoing and I was so impressed by
that.
And when you were sharing yourstory of the fly and you picking
yourself up, dusting yourselfoff and heading on home, it's
(24:38):
simultaneously, oh my gosh.
She's a human being and I'mincredibly impressed that she
picked herself up and theglowing you that I see now is
the one who picked herself upand walked back toward the car
and headed home.
Giselle (24:47):
Yeah, I forgave myself.
And you know, the whole pointof doing lives is to create that
human connection.
So when you polish out all ofthe human like, what's the point
?
People want to connect to areal human.
And if I think about you know,my husband, before I knew him,
loved being on the stage.
(25:08):
They did the importance ofbeing earnest in school and the
best story that comes out ofthat is when someone forgot
their lines and they just likeimprovised.
And same thing if I think of mydear friends from my final year
of school Same play, actually.
And again it was where theystumbled and then just like
(25:30):
picked themselves up.
It was the funniest part, likethe one that got the most
applause from the whole thing.
Lauri (25:37):
so yeah, yeah, it's definitely why.
Why I love live theater, I amstill an actor.
I do not really do film actor.
I do not really do film, andit's in part because you get to
do it every night and it'sdifferent every single night,
(25:58):
and you do come away withstories, and often the stories
that are the most interestingare the ones where something
went quote unquote wrong,somebody forgot their lines, a
piece of the set broke, somebodyfrom the audience started
talking back, and the same thingis.
Speaking and theater are sosimilar.
(26:21):
Live talks, whether it's liveon Periscope or live in the room
with people, what makes itspecial is the connection with
the people that are there onthat day.
Giselle (26:36):
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Hmm, yeah, we could probablyhave the chariots of you know
where you have the inspirationalsong and you get the little
moments on the journey it's allcoming together now she learned
she wasn't going to die.
(26:57):
She learned that when sheactually opened her mouth to say
what felt like it wanted to besaid, that it made a difference
to at least one person in theroom.
She made that stronger than thevisceral, historical fear that
was in her body and she got pasthumiliation.
(27:20):
So I was like, okay, now we'reall clear.
The next thing that happened,as the music starts to play,
would be 2018 was where all ofthose pieces came together.
So Kylie messages me thatAvery's coming to Australia to
(27:41):
teach a weekend workshop inalchemy.
I've been gloriously minding myown business, doing a morning
practice.
That was really starting tomove the needle for me and I
would have happily stayed therequite a bit longer, but I'd
ripened it to the point where itwas shareable, like if I shared
(28:02):
what I was doing with someone,it was likely to make a
difference to their experienceas well, and I was properly
broke.
I know a lot of people say you,you know I don't have any money
.
But if I say I don't have anymoney, it means I've already
been through the couch cushionsfor spare change to buy milk and
there's nothing else left soit's properly broke and I really
(28:25):
wanted.
I knew I had to be in the roomwith Avery so I was like, okay
have I got.
I was learning hypnosis fromMarissa Peer.
I had this morning practice andit just came to me like in an
inspired flash to create aprogram called the Lioness Way
of Bliss, to build the plane onthe way down, and I just put up
(28:47):
a Facebook post that said I'mdoing a thing.
Who wants to join me?
And I made it like 150 150bucks for six weeks and I had 22
women join me for that and Ibuilt the program around them
what they wanted in their lives.
It was a mixture of alchemy andhypnosis and by the end of it
(29:12):
one of the participants said itwas like drinking freedom
through a fire hose.
But I literally made it up likea day ahead.
But I was responding to thepeople who had said like they'd
responded to me.
I was responding to them and inservice of what they wanted.
I found myself doing hour-longlives each week, making a
(29:35):
recorded audio workshop andmaking these really powerful
hypno audios for them to listento as they went to sleep each
night, and I loved it Like itwas real.
Yes, I was talking into the dot, but I knew who I was talking
to and it was real, yes, so good.
Lauri (29:55):
What a change in the talking to the green dot that
when you were connected to whoyou're talking to and why you're
sharing what you're sharing.
Now, all of a sudden, the greendot is a gateway to connection,
a gateway to service, a gatewayto impact, a gateway to
(30:16):
changing the world.
Instead of like the tiniestgreen spotlight ever created,
yeah, with who knows who.
Giselle (30:27):
On the other side, yeah , yeah.
Lauri (30:30):
Yeah Well, I'm so glad you kept going and making
friends with the green dot.
Giselle (30:40):
Well, some part of me knew that I had a lorry in my
future to connect with, sothere's no backing out now, yeah
, now, um, yeah.
So the next, the next piece,would be um.
As soon as I trained withmarissa pierre, I knew that I
(31:01):
was going to be training for her, which brought me back to the
training I used to do with mymother when I was a teenager,
just facilitating a room full ofpeople understandings new
concepts really well.
And so that happened.
A year later, and, you know, toa huge room full of people, I
was asked to demonstrate puttingsomeone into hypnosis long
distance via zoom, because atthat point, you know, 97% of my
(31:24):
work was online, and so I satthere in the chair and I had the
eyes of probably over a hundredpeople on me and there was a
little bit of this, but itdidn't matter because I knew why
I was there and what I wasspeaking in service of, and I
had the entire room absolutelymesmerized by what I was sharing
(31:49):
with them.
And I know that because theytold me the tiny little bit of
this.
Lauri (31:55):
in my experience, you want a tiny little bit of that.
It made me present.
Because, if it's yeah, yeah, itmakes you present.
It's when it's a bigger moment.
If an athlete is going to run arace and they don't have a
little bit of that before theystart running, it's not going to
(32:16):
go well.
They might not even be able tofinish, they might get injured,
who knows.
So a little bit of this givesyou the extra something to hold
that bigger room than if youwere just delivering the same
message to me one-on-one.
Yeah, totally.
I think that's more for peoplelistening than that was for
(32:37):
Giselle.
Like if you're feeling this.
That's one of the ways it'ssupposed to be.
You're not broken.
If you're feeling a little bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump,
bump, bump, or even a lot ofbump, bump, bump, bump, don't
fight it.
Do what Giselle has beentalking about where you are in
(33:02):
service, who are you serving,connect to that and take your
breaths and open your mouth withthe bump, bump, bump, bump and
speak from there.
Giselle (33:15):
I love that.
It's probably just one of thebiggest shifts, and I took a
YouTube course in service ofgetting the hang of this
speaking into the green dotthing.
I didn't really follow throughwith much of it, but the
takeaway was stop making itabout you and make it about the
person that you're speaking to,which was naturally what my
(33:38):
energy wanted to do anyway, andit made all the difference.
It's just like so what?
So what?
Like there's a person on theother end who can receive value
in their own way from whatyou're sharing.
Otherwise you wouldn't be doingit.
You've got so many betterthings to do than stare into a
dot and speak.
Lauri (34:01):
Yeah, for so many lightworkers, soul workers,
service-oriented people.
We wouldn't be doing it if itweren't for something that we're
serving.
So the more we can turn thevolume up on that in whatever
ways we do, the easier it'sgoing to be to stare into the
(34:25):
green light or go stand on a redcarpet, the green light or go
stand on a red carpet.
Giselle (34:34):
Yeah.
So next piece would be there'sabout four years there where
hypnosis was my main tool, andin a hypnosis session you induct
someone into that state wherethey can access their own wisdom
, go back to three scenes thatconnect the dots on the inner
(34:54):
story of why this thing thatappears as the problem is going
on, so that their awarenessexpands and they completely get
the inner story that's makingthe heart hammer, you know, or
whatever it is like.
Oh yeah, that'll make sense nowand in that inner mind's place
(35:15):
it's actually easy to let it gobecause you literally understand
not in your head but in yourbody and you also know that it
belongs to the past and not tonow.
So within the session frameworkyou do all of that together and
then I've carefully taken notesin the beginning of what that
person really wants toexperience.
(35:36):
I've taken really clear mentalnotes along the way of their key
words and themes, and then it'smy job to like okay, chill now
hit record and speak back thenew reality.
That is true for them andpretty much everyone who trains
(35:57):
with marissa pierre likeagonizes over the script at
first and like wants to get itright.
I kind of had bullet points tohold the structure, but I just a
.
I A I didn't have time, b Icouldn't be asked, like let's
just do it, and so I justallowed my voice to say what
needed to be said to that person.
(36:19):
You know, hit record, endrecord, send it to them on
WhatsApp.
They listened to it for atleast three weeks and I just got
the hang of doing that.
It's like speaking I guess whatyou call speaking in channel,
but it's really just connectingto that person and giving the
words that they need to havewhispered back into their
(36:39):
nervous system and subconsciousmind and build the pictures of
the future that they're going toautomatically move towards them
.
And because I'd already studiedalchemy, I had the structure,
the geometry of that new realityembedded in that audio.
And what I got told again andagain was like your voice oh my
(36:59):
god, your voice.
Like it just does things on theinside and even when they'd
listened for their three weeks,often they kept going, or they
came back to it a year later andthen messaged me and said I'm
still getting so much from thataudio.
Like it's incredible and I'mlike, okay, so my voice does
things.
It has a job to do.
(37:20):
So, again, life was teaching methe role of my voice and
allowing it to do its job.
Lauri (37:32):
Yeah, I've absolutely experienced that myself.
I'm feeling it right now and Iremember the thought that I had
when I was watching the video ofyou was it was awakening the
part of me that already knewthat what you were sharing was
(37:52):
true, for me, perfect which wasthe entire intention of that
transmission yeah, so when youhave an intention, you may not
always have someone come tellyou that they experienced the
exact intention.
and someone out there is.
And it was not my brain havingthoughts, it was more that I was
(38:20):
having an experience in mywhole self and my brain
translated what that meant whenI would describe it to others as
I'm describing it to you Now.
I'm putting words to it thatdescribe it.
Yeah.
Giselle (38:39):
Yeah.
Lauri (38:40):
And it you know, when you were put out of the singing
line.
You have a voice that sings ina different way, and if she
hadn't moved you to that otherline, you might have been an
opera singer or something,instead of doing the work in the
(39:03):
world that you're doing now.
Giselle (39:06):
Yeah.
So letting, letting the is-nessof all things be is just so
much easier than wishing it weredifferent or saying it should
be another way.
So by the time we met I guesssince 2020, when the world
turned upside down I startedgrowing a membership, or
(39:30):
evolving a membership.
I haven't grown it big, butI've.
But it's become more and morepowerful in their evolution
because, again, I'm alwaysresponding to the people who are
there and then like how can Imake this better?
How can I make this better?
And my main toolkit shifted fromhypnosis, which taught me so
much about the geometry of whatgoes on inside our minds, to
(39:53):
site k, because it's justsimpler power, more powerful and
more effective, unless I'mbreaking ancient curses or
there's something really shadowythat needs to be seen.
Hypnosis is still a great toolfor that, but mostly site k
covers it more quickly withouthaving to spend so much time on
the story, and that's had meteaching weekly workshops and
(40:18):
making audios for a purpose forthe last five years now four or
five years.
So I'm really getting the hangof this thing now.
And it culminated, you know, inthe story with when you and I
met and I'm like okay, there aremore people who are meant to
(40:40):
receive this.
The best way is throughreferrals.
I choose that referral as themain way new people find me now
and then again kylie's been suchan amazing, important figure in
my story and the next thing Igot an invitation.
Yeah, well, it's like yes, yes,I will show up for that.
(41:01):
And even if my heart goes likethis a little bit.
I know why I'm here and my pureintention is to ping the
antennae of anyone who is meantto hear what I say.
It's not up to me, I don't carewho doesn't like it, who it
doesn't resonate with yeah I'monly in service of the people I
(41:23):
have, in the broadest terms,some kind of soul contract with,
because we said we'd do thisand that's all that matters
anyway yeah, yeah, and that'sthe.
Lauri (41:35):
In addition to she's awakening a remembering of
something in me, I also had thefeeling.
It's an energy that I felt acouple of times you, you know
key people in my life of.
It's like static is moving outof the way and I can feel a
(41:55):
magnetism with the person.
Everyone, from someone that Imet in graduate school to my
husband, to different peoplethat I've worked with.
Like you, that was definitelyin there as well, and part of
what I hear in what you'resaying is you trusted that, you
(42:20):
knew what was needed.
You trusted all of the studyingthat you had done and the notes
that you have taken aboutpeople.
And then you've got an outlineand then you talk to them.
You've got a couple of noteswritten down and then you speak
to them and you allow it to comeout of.
(42:40):
You live that time in the waythat it needs to, whether it's
for one person or a hundredpeople or you're not really sure
, is it for one or a hundred?
And I say all the time topeople speaking is like Saturday
night live, and there's areally tangible example of this
(43:02):
happening with Giselle.
Speaking is not like reading abook and reading every single
word of the book that you'vepre-programmed ahead of time.
It's not like a movie wherethere's two hours worth of
script that's already written.
Saturday Night Live is an improvshow.
(43:22):
They improvise all week.
They take some notes,oversimplifying it a little bit.
They've got bullet pointsbackstage of what are the scenes
that we're doing and what arethe markers of what we're doing
that we need to hit.
And, just like we were sayingabout the theater and the
speaking, if you've watchedSaturday Night Live or any other
(43:43):
improv show, the best momentsare when you can tell somebody
did something slightly differentfrom all of the rehearsals.
And they're cracking theprofessional improvisers up and
you can see them like puttingtheir head under a plant and
things like that.
This is an example of what Imean when I say it's like
(44:04):
Saturday Night Live.
The Saturday Night Live actorshave studied their craft and
then they go out live and theydo the thing with some bullet
points, with the people and withthe methods that she's sharing
(44:25):
in the world.
With that outline, she opensher mouth and lets it come out
that time.
Giselle (44:42):
And she's reaching people like me who are meant to
find her using her voice.
Love that.
While you're saying all of that, laurie, I'm aware of two
things, way, way, way back whenI used to do teaching with my
mother, which was a new way ofteaching dyslexic people adults
and children to decode thelanguage.
(45:04):
Sometimes I'd have naughtylittle boys who pretended they
didn't want to be there.
Like, so gorgeous, like what Igot to do with those kids who
had developed a belief that theywere stupid because they
couldn't read.
Insanely intelligent, like thenext criminal mastermind if they
(45:25):
put their mind to it, kind of athing.
Um would say they didn't wantto be there.
They're like well, if you don'twant to be here, I don't want
to teach you.
And they'd be like no, no, Iwant to be here and I I actually
don't want to engage withanyone who doesn't want to be
here.
(45:47):
So it allows me to put aside thewhole world of like, get the
numbers, get the people,convince them to come into your
world.
It's like, if you don't want tobe here, I don't want anything
to do with you.
And the beauty of the arc fromavoidance to allowing my voice
to do its job is.
(46:08):
I've gone from the visceralterror that I will be killed,
which you know a lot of it'sthis lifetime.
I've touched past parallelepigenetic whatever you want to
call it imprints that say itreally is dangerous to open your
mouth and be seen.
So I've gone from you're gonnayou're gonna be killed.
(46:28):
So I literally adore everysingle person in my world.
Like the love is palpable.
Um, so that's.
That's the real victory yeah,yeah.
Lauri (46:54):
And when you tune into the radio signal, you, everyone
who is meant to be drawn intoyour world knows you.
When they see, you, hear you,feel you because you're in
alignment and you'rebroadcasting on a pure signal
instead of let me try to fitmyself over into this box over
here and have it come out likebeautiful you know, in alchemy,
(47:14):
truth is a paradox, right likeit should hurt your brain every
time you touch truth.
Giselle (47:19):
And so we now have these platforms where we can
speak to the entire world, whichis so vulnerable, because all
the people who will throw stonesand hang you from a tree are
out there as well.
And the paradox is, if youreally drop into your frequency
just exactly what you're here todo, only the people who are
(47:40):
meant to hear you will noticeyou exist.
Meant to hear you will noticeyou exist.
The rest will move on within 10seconds.
Lauri (47:56):
Oh, this isn't for me.
Love that paradox.
Love that paradox.
If something in you isresonating with Giselle and you
want to explore more in herworld, you can go to her website
, whitelionalchemyearth.
Lion has a silent E.
She has a bingeable audioseries there called the Five
Phases of Creating Somethingfrom Nothing that you can
(48:18):
download, and she's made aspecial gift to my podcast
listeners.
If you click shop on thewebsite, you can find a
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Use the code Lori L-A-U-R-I atcheckout to get it for free.
She also occasionally posts onInstagram.
(48:39):
You can follow her at at MamaLioness M-A-M-A-L-I-O-N-E-S-S-E.
Enjoy, okay it's time to moveinto Pivo Pivot.
Okay, say the first thing thatcomes from your sacral authority
(49:02):
what's your favorite word?
Giselle (49:10):
Melifluous.
Lauri (49:15):
What's your favorite cuss word?
Giselle (49:18):
Oh, I'm old school on this one.
I don't think you can go pastthe mouthfeel and the
versatility of fuck can go pastthe mouth, feel and the
versatility of fuck.
Lauri (49:31):
What turns you on creatively, spiritually or
emotionally.
Being in nature.
What?
Giselle (49:41):
turns you off.
Lauri (49:45):
Too long in a city.
Giselle (49:49):
What sound or noise do you love?
I love when I'm in bed andthere's rain on the tin roof and
there's nowhere that I have tobe and nothing that I have to do
, and it just melts me.
Lauri (50:07):
What sound or noise do you hate?
Giselle (50:11):
The sound I hate most is there's a particular tone in
people's voices when they repeatwith conviction the lies they
have bought and sold themselves.
It's like nails on a chalkboardto me.
Lauri (50:32):
What profession other than your own would be fun to
try?
Giselle (50:40):
Musician.
Lauri (50:43):
What profession would you not like to do?
Giselle (50:50):
Any kind of computer desk job all day, every day.
Lauri (50:58):
And Giselle.
What do you hope people sayabout you on your 100th birthday
?
You should put me in touch withmy true nature.
Done Putting me in touch withmy true nature, putting our
(51:25):
listeners in touch with theirtrue nature.
Thank you so much for takingthe time to come here and for
saying yes when we came intoeach other's worlds.
Giselle (51:34):
There was only ever the answer yes.
Thank you, Lauren.
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