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June 16, 2025 68 mins

Josh and Paul look back at a couple of early 00s icons, Vanessa Carlton and Third Eye Blind. They discuss each respective's artists struggles with record labels navigating a crumbling music industry as well as how the romantic relationship between Carlton and Third Eye Blind's Stephan Jenkins influenced this material. Did Harmonium and Out of the Vein deserve to flop or are they classic examples of an artist's vision being suppressed by corporate greed? 

Albums discussed:
Third Eye Blind - Out of the Vein
https://open.spotify.com/album/5Z1mU7iT0rfX9o9qzM1zYf
https://music.apple.com/us/album/out-of-the-vein/309582074

Vanessa Carlton - Harmonium
https://open.spotify.com/album/4uR7AyibOIKGzBSXi7BmJ3
https://music.apple.com/us/album/harmonium/1450416935

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