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This is our first episode.
Our first episode.
Welcome to, oh, you're going forit?
Yeah.
Okay.
This is spiritual practices ofthe disgruntled artists.
And this is our first episode,is that musical interlude, let
you know, and we are a podcastwhere we interview a new artist
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each week to learn how they'rekeeping themselves sane.
And spiritually healthy duringthis epically challenging time
to be an artist.
Yes.
And, this will be a specialepisode in a little, maybe a
little bit longer, because we'regoing to start off by
interviewing each other so youcould get a little background of
who we are.
By the way, my name is OliviaSpurs, and by the way, my name
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is, and, uh.
The reason why we started, thispodcast is because we are just
so genuinely interested, uh, uh,in spiritual practices um, we
talk all the time on the phoneand mm-hmm it's, we talk about
our acting careers and ourspirituality and yeah, we were
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just, and yeah, times are tough.
Times are tough, and we know somany interesting, wonderful
artists.
Slash just human beings and wewanna know what gets you through
it.
Yep.
Yeah, that was good.
Well done.
Thank you.
You did great.
Thank you so much.
And that's it.
And that's it.
Thank you so much.
Goodnight.
Goodbye.
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Okay, here we go.
Here we go.
Ari (01:39):
So what are your spiritual
practices that you're doing
right now?
Okay, so right now I meditate.
Okay.
I meditate almost every day.
Every day?
Yes.
Almost every day.
Okay.
When I started my meditationpractice, I was like, I have to
do it every single day for threemonths, of course, to control
me, but also because I tried tomeditate so much in my life.
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Yes.
And it never stuck.
Oh.
And I was like, for it to stick,I needed to be like a real part
of my life for three months.
Mm-hmm.
So I did that and now it's mostdays, and now I like look
forward to it.
Um, so that I also have foundyoga, which I feel like such,
uh, honestly, I feel like a realdick about it to be honest,
because for, for years I waslike, yoga is not a workout.
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Like, I was like, because I wasin gymnast and, you know, then I
did Muay Thai.
I was like, it's not a workout,blah, blah.
And now like, oh, I need it.
And I even tried to step awayfrom it because.
A, a boring story about a playand leaving my yoga studio and I
joined ClassPass and so Istarted doing boxing.
I was like, maybe I have bellydancing.
I tried and I was like, no.
I also need the mental, justmeditative quality of yoga.
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It's like a focus, especiallyfor the day.
Yeah, the focus.
Yeah.
The days when I can't meditate.
It's also just the, the seasonI'm in of a mom of two small
children.
I need it to be also meditative,so.
Yoga.
And then my gratitude journalwhere I write down 10 things I'm
thankful for every morning.
And then underneath it I'llwrite some like sort of mantras
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I want to focus on.
And then at the top I usuallywrite just kind of like a
message for the day.
A lot of the time it's like inflow or um.
Is it nighttime?
No.
Every morning.
Every morning.
Okay.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
And if I don't do it, I reallyfeel a difference.
And I've learned that otherpeople also feel a difference.
Like one time Kate was like,have you been doing your
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gratitude journal?
I was like, no.
I've like fallen off of it for aweek or so.
And she was like, you need to doit.
She noticed it.
Wow.
Yeah.
And I also noticed that like.
When something bad happens now,like the wheel of our car got
stolen a couple weeks ago.
Right.
Which I had an immediateemotional reaction to because
how do you not, how do you not,but then immediately in my mind,
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three things that I was thankfulfor that didn't happen.
Like they left the lug nuts, sowe didn't have to get a tow
truck.
We could put this bear on.
Mm-hmm.
It didn't cost as much as wethought it would.
We got it done within a day, youknow, like.
Like now because of thegratitude journal, I really
think it is because of thegratitude journal.
Wow.
When something bad happens tome, I'm able to be like, but at
least these three things didn'thappen.
Yeah.
Whereas it used to be withoutit.
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Yeah.
Just everything looks terrible,you know?
Yeah.
And I've also, uh, imagined thatmeditation would also help with
that too.
Yeah.
You know?
I hope so.
Just an overall like.
Take take every moment as it is.
Yeah.
Wow.
I think I need to work on thatmore.
No, I think you're working onit.
I think that proves it is whatI'm saying is like the, the
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combination of the yoga and thegratitude and the meditation, I
think they're all workingtogether.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And now that I'm also investedin all like my books and things,
gratitude and meditation come upso much from all different
people.
Everybody talks about gratitude.
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Mm-hmm.
Because I think it's like, Ithink that's one of the sort of
keys to unlock something.
Yeah.
I love it.
There's a sleeping meditation onthe calm, calm app that's like
drift off with gratitude.
Mm-hmm.
And you just like, literallyjust think about all the things
you're thankful for.
Mm-hmm.
It is wonderful.
And there's also something aboutdoing it without guilt.
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Like Yeah.
Not being like, like I should begrateful.
I think that's what I'm reactingto.
Oh.
I feel like having a gratitudepractice has made me not say I
should be grateful.
I have so many things in mylife.
I should be grateful.
I, I don't have to say that tomyself.
'cause I am grateful, I affirmthat for myself every single
day.
Right.
And it's big things and smallthings and I try really hard not
to like look at the day before.
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Mm-hmm.
So that's just genuinely what amI feeling before now?
Yeah.
This cup of coffee.
Right.
Well, I think that's what it'sis that you surprise yourself.
I think when you are, whenyou're, when you're sitting down
and having to list, even like,I, I think it's probably even
more beneficial when you'rehaving like a tough day.
Mm-hmm.
Because then you're forced togo, okay, but what, despite all
of what's happening at thismoment, am I thankful for?
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Mm-hmm.
I love it.
Ari (2) (05:58):
So for me, this is what
happened.
I was raised Jewish, but Ididn't go to temple.
We celebrated all the holidays.
Okay.
God wasn't really discussed atall.
Interesting.
And so I didn't really know howI felt about it at all.
I was aware that there was aGod, but there was just no
religious element to like ourfamily practices.
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And then in college I went toNYU for acting, but you had to
take a certain number ofacademic classes and I took all
these religion classes withouteven realizing what I was doing.
I was like, I'm gonna take aclass on the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And then I was like, I'm gonnatake a class on like blasphemy
and religion.
And I just didn't realize untilthe end where it was like, I was
almost a religious studies minorbecause of how many religion
courses I took.
'cause I think subconsciously Iwas Hey, you're gonna have to
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pay this out.
Yeah, honey.
But really did, it was I wasdriving to LA with my roommate,
Emma, and we were talking aboutGod, and I was asking her about
if she believed in God much likewhat we're doing.
Yeah.
And and she asked me the samequestion and I said, I wasn't
really raised with any sort oflike religious belief per se,
but I don't know how I feelabout God.
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And I said, but I think at somepoint I need to figure it out.
And I said that and I thoughtthat, and then.
Out of nowhere.
This truck that was parked onthe side of the road, lights
off, nothing, just pulled rightout in front of me.
I jerked the wheel.
She started screaming.
And we spun fully around on ahighway in Louisiana.
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Oh my God.
Facing oncoming traffic.
And magically there was like wejust the, a tire popped, but
that was it.
There were no cars coming.
I pulled over to the side of theroad, we called your boy, like
it was fine, but I was like,alright, God, I got it.
I got it.
God.
So we stopped by the GrandCanyon on the way and I wrote, I
think I still have this, I wrotebasically promises to God of and
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to myself of just I'm gonnafigure out what I think about
this and I'm going to wow.
Really?
Just explore my spirituality.
'cause I think there was anembarrassment about it, which is
interesting because also offmic, we were just talking about
this, about the embarrassment ofspirituality.
Yes.
Olivia (08:00):
And not even that kind
of spirituality.
Like it's how, it's like justspirituality in general.
Ari (2) (08:05):
It's not, even though
in LA I feel like it's a more
cool, but I think there is thissort of idea of an artist I
don't know if it's just a NewYork thing, like in New York.
It was like, artists are hardand oh, it was not, nobody
talked about God or religion.
Olivia (08:19):
I guess I didn't really
experience that because I'm not
really, never really considermyself religious.
And also growing up inCalifornia, I think that was.
People are spiritual, just maybemore spiritual or just but it's
interesting like this, thedistinction between religious
and Yes, spiritual, true.
Like I think more people areopen to spirituality.
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Yes, I think so.
True.
And I think'cause it's, it's sogeneral and then, I think
religion has definitely more ofa history
Ari (2) (08:49):
yeah.
Which I'm excited to have peopleon here who are Yeah.
Religious.
Yeah, me too.
Just to hear that aspect ofthings.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
That was how it started.
I had two spiritual awakenings.
I had the accident.
Okay.
And then I had something thatkind of kicked off my meditation
practice, which was, I just feltso up and down about my career
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and I was like, okay, I'm gonna,basically, I'm gonna not think
about this for two years.
I'm gonna give myself a two yeardeadline.
And anytime I feel down about mycareer, I'm gonna say no.
No, we're not, we're notthinking of that now.
Mm-hmm.
We're gonna think about that intwo years.
Yeah.
And that kind of started me onlike the meditation practice,
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which sort of led me into therest of it.
Getting in touch with theuniverse.
Right.
My spirit guides.
It really taps into just beingpresent.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Like you're not worried.
Constantly thinking about, yes.
What to obtain your no, rightnow this is where I am.
And yeah.
Yeah, because then the worry, Ican just be like, I'm not, I'm
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not gonna worry about this now.
I'm gonna worry about thislater, and now here's where I
am.
But then I feel like because ofthat, a lot of good things
started coming my way.
I felt like the universe reallywas guiding me towards staying
on this path.
And that was part of it too.
That was the big part of it was.
Releasing the need to have thisbe the thing.
Acting be the thing.
Yeah.
It was like, if it's not meantfor me.
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The universe will guide metowards something else and it
won't feel like I'm killingsomething or hurting myself.
Mm-hmm.
To go towards that thing.
I will feel called to go towardsthat thing.
Right.
And it was like accepting thatif I'm not in control, I'm not
in control.
I don't get to pick and chooseand say I'm in control with this
thing and not this thing.
Yeah.
But I feel like we're kind oftrained to be like, don't have a
plan B.
Don't have a plan B.
(10:38):
Oh yeah.
Especially actors.
Yes.
So then,'cause you have to go,we feel like if you don't go all
in, you're, you're.
Yeah.
Not really committed or, yeah.
And somehow that translated tome to not just be all in, be,
you can't even think about,yeah, what if this isn't for you
and you're actually meant orcalled to do something else.
But I think releasing that forme and being like, I'm gonna
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follow where the universe.
Is guiding me.
Yeah.
Really made so many more greatthings come into my life, career
wise.
You know, you're not, it gives,it expands your world.
You know, you're no longer, it'snot, uh, tunnel visioned into
this one thing.
You know?
I, it, it.
And it, and it still has, right?
Mm-hmm.
Because when did you make this?
Two year, like three years ago.
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There you go.
Yeah.
Okay.
You know, so like, it, it makes,and you've, I feel, feel the
most confident as an actor thatI've known you in, what, 10
years?
Yeah.
That we've known each other.
Mm-hmm.
Has it been 10 years?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
Isn't that crazy?
Yeah.
I was gonna ask, do you rememberwhat.
Inspired you to do this like twoyear, do you remember what it
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was like?
I think it was my sister's idea.
I also remember going to afriend's house and we had this
sort of tarot reading.
Mm-hmm.
And there was something in itabout like.
Either this is really gonna workout the way you want to or
something else is gonna happen.
Like was kind of their moral.
Oh, interesting.
And I think that kind of, Idon't know if I made a decision
before, but that was sort of, Iremember kind of thinking about
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this when I started meditatingof just like, yeah, you don't
get to pick, like, you don't getto say the universe has a plan,
but, but as long as it's myplan.
Olivia (12:18):
I love meditating.
Ari (2) (12:19):
Yeah.
We
Olivia (12:20):
should have a
Ari (2) (12:20):
whole episode
meditating.
Yes, we should.
I love meditating too, but it isnot, it isn't easy and there've
only been a, oh, it's not easy.
Couple times where I've slippedinto a deep meditation.
Yes.
More yeah.
Olivia (12:33):
I wouldn't say like I'm
great at it, but I just, I love
the idea of just sitting there
Ari (2) (12:38):
because you know what I
realized too?
We are never, still withourselves unless we're sleeping,
unless we meditate.
Yeah.
Otherwise, there's always input.
Olivia (12:46):
Oh, you're doom
scrolling.
Yeah.
Ari (2) (12:48):
Oh, that's bad.
That's my thing.
Do you do that?
That, yeah.
You do?
Oh yeah.
I have to, I
Olivia (12:51):
have to delete Instagram
every now and then, because if I
don't, I'm similar to you withemails.
I don't even mean to, and I amlooking at it.
Do you get
Ari (2) (13:01):
jealous?
Olivia (13:01):
Is it any career
Ari (2) (13:03):
driven?
Olivia (13:04):
Do or no?
No.
Okay.
No.
'cause it's a lot of it, it'sjust brain.
A lot of it's just the reels andit just, I just think it's funny
and I, it's a lot of dogs, butafterwards, I'll it'll be what,
it'll be like an hour.
Yeah.
And I'll just be like, and Ichuck my phone across the room.
It's oh.
Oh God.
Like it's burn, like it's on afire.
Yes.
I get mad at it.
(13:24):
Yeah.
Because then I'm like you wishedyour time.
It's not your fault, like it'smeant to do that.
Oh, it's literally designed todo it.
No.
I had this thought and I like, Ithink I had it during an
earthquake one time because Iwas like looking at a Instagram
and I was like.
Imagine that's the last thingyou do while you die.
Ari (2) (13:40):
Oh,
Olivia (13:41):
what a powerful and
tragic, no, but really that is
like very
Ari (2) (13:45):
powerful.
Yes.
Olivia (13:46):
And I was like, that's
not, now I don't wanna shame
anyone who like uses like I do.
I would never go off completelybecause I think it does bring
joy and I think it's fun andit's fun to share.
And I love, yes.
Also, the confusing
Ari (2) (13:59):
thing is our phones do
so much good.
Right.
Like our podcast our podcast.
It was, you're listening to thisright now.
My, some of my so spiritualpodcasts on the phone.
Yes.
Talking to friends is on thephone.
So it's it's so hard to orientthis thing that can be both evil
and amazing for you, like greatfor your brain and terrible for
your brain.
Right.
That's a really powerful idea ofthe earthquake thing.
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Isn't that?
Yeah.
My toxic phone thing besidesemail is.
And I was, I'm, I feel like whenthis email came through that I
didn't get this part.
Not that I created me notgetting this part, but I was, I
am D being so many people,that's one of my toxic phone
things.
I'll be watching something andenjoying it.
I'm watching White Lotus now,but that's been different'cause
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when I was in a really downplace in my career, I couldn't
watch anything good.
I was just watching reality tv.
Because if I watched good stuff,I'd be like on how did they get
that?
How, oh my
Olivia (14:51):
God.
Wow.
So
Ari (2) (14:53):
it's been, now I'm like
watching Severance, I'm watching
White Load.
I like all these.
I'm like, oh yeah, some TV isreally, of course, like why?
It also helps me like yeah, dothat.
But yeah, I will IMDB everybodyand try to figure out, it's not
good, so I need to leave myphone in other rooms when I
watch shows sometimes too.
Yeah, I do.
It just creeps up on you.
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But that's what I mean, if wejust trusted.
Fully, you
Olivia (15:17):
know?
Ari (2) (15:18):
Yes.
Maybe
Olivia (15:18):
I wouldn't argue.
I think we can, I think you cantrust the universe and still
have bad days and accept thatyou're gonna feel bad.
Because I think that is my fear,is that like this idea of I'm
gonna trust and that, that I'mnot gonna feel that way, and
then I'm gonna feel guilty forfeeling that way.
It's I'm human.
Like it's a toxic
Ari (2) (15:36):
positivity thing.
Olivia (15:36):
It's, yeah, exactly.
And it's like you.
Bad things are gonna happen.
Sometimes things happen thatdon't have a reason necessarily.
And I think that's okay.
Yeah.
But that's stressing
Ari (2) (15:47):
it.
You see that?
Yeah.
But can we can I accept that?
If I'm saying.
Everything.
There's a reason for everything,and the universe has a plan.
And look, I didn't get that partin the pilot, but it led me to
realize that this other stuff Iwas clinging onto and how almost
every single success was broughtto me with ease and not white
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knuckle.
Olivia (16:11):
Do you believe
everything happens for a
Ari (2) (16:12):
reason?
I think I'm trying to, I thinkthat's the last thread I do.
And then there's a thread,right?
But then when you say, what ifeverything doesn't happen for a
reason or some things don't,then that's hard for me to
orient my brain around.
You know what I mean?
But you're not wrong.
Right.
But like, how can it all be thisexist at the same time?
Olivia (16:31):
I think maybe two can
exist.
Maybe things do have a reasonyou may not know the reason.
Yes,
Ari (2) (16:36):
right.
Olivia (16:37):
You may not figure that
out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You may never know.
Ari (2) (16:39):
Right.
Olivia (16:39):
Right.
Like you didn't get a part.
That's true.
Because that there's anotherperson in the universe that
their whole journey is gettingthat part.
Yes.
That's like the universalcollective thing, which I love
thinking about too.
Right.
But it's also like, how do youknow?
Right.
How do we know?
Yeah.
And I think a lot of that feelsbetter to me.
Yeah.
Yes, it does feel better.
Absolutely.
Ari (2) (16:59):
And that's okay.
Yeah.
That was the other thing Irealized when I was at the Grand
Canyon and I was talking tomyself and writing about how I'm
gonna figure out my relationshipwith God.
I remember writing down, if itmakes my life better to believe,
then why don't I believe?
If I have the ability to believein something, like it feels like
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there's a part of me that couldbelieve this and it makes my
life easier, why not believe it?
Even though there is a part ofme that I could have leaned into
that was like, don't that youdon't believe that I.
But if it was a, if there was anugget of truth to it that I
could believe in, why not?
If it makes your life better andeasier,
Olivia (17:38):
I think that's the, just
the turning point.
Ari (2) (17:40):
Yeah.
It's
Olivia (17:40):
And it's so interesting
that you had that thought on
that day in the Grand Canyon oflike.
Why, what's holding me back?
Ari (2) (17:51):
Basically?
Yeah.
I guess That's where I am nowbecause of the thread.
It's if it serves me to believethat everything happens for a
reason and that the universe hasall of it, and that all I can do
is be open.
And of course like do the work.
There's like an alternateuniverse of us talking about
this where it's we're just gonnado nothing.
Right.
We definitely don't do nothing.
No, we do a lot.
No we submit, we prepare.
(18:12):
Yeah.
We do the work.
Yeah.
Olivia (18:14):
Yes.
Ari (2) (18:15):
Yeah.
So it's not that.
And we want it and we want itand it's in us.
But also just letting it go, howit's gonna go.
Olivia (18:25):
Here's something that
might be crazy.
Ari (2) (18:27):
Okay.
Olivia (18:27):
Oh.
What if,'cause you keep onreferring to this last thread.
Yeah.
And you like, but what if I cantrust?
What if I could be a hundredpercent?
Yeah.
What if that's going back towhite knuckling it?
Like I, that sounds, does thatmake sense?
I think there is a way to trust.
Yeah.
And I think, but I think ifyou're like, trying to figure
out how to trust it or liketrying to understand it, I think
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I, it may be one of those we cantalk about this over and over
again, right?
And there's gonna be so manyokay, what about this?
What about this?
And I think that I think it'sokay to be searching.
Interesting.
Does that make sense?
And maybe it's likeuncomfortable and maybe it's
you, us figuring out maybe thatis the last thing, but like, how
do we know?
Ari (2) (19:08):
Right,
Olivia (19:08):
right.
Is ne is this a never endingjourney?
Like I think,
Ari (2) (19:12):
I think it's all yes.
But I think there's differentbattles and I think it's like
what you feel called to do.
Like for me, I think thatresonates.
But I also think I've been givensome scissors, to cut the
thread.
Ari (19:24):
The scissors to cut the
thread are fixing my sleep
because this sleep thing is thisform of release and control.
And not checking my emails allthe time.
'cause that's also me trying tocontrol the outcome.
And will an email to come intomy inbox.
Mm-hmm.
That says you got a part.
(19:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like if it's not my plan, it'snot my plan.
I can't will it and me trying towill it is actually pushing it
further away from me.
Right.
Ari (2) (19:54):
Like these are two
things that I can point to right
now and say these are elementsof me.
And a control issue.
Yeah.
Like I think it's possible toovercome these and to not be
obsessed with my email.
And to be getting good restconsistently.
And then if the thread doesn'tcome, but I see what you're
saying.
If the thread is still not cutafter using both of those pairs
of scissors, do you just acceptthat the threat of doubt is a
(20:18):
part?
I
Olivia (20:19):
think that's what I'm
saying maybe it's the word doubt
that I'm going back and forth.
Sure.
'cause I see what you mean ofokay, let go of the doubt.
Why?
Why can't we just let go ofthat?
And then what?
Then?
But I just maybe it's just humanexperience to doubt like.
That sounds wise.
I dunno.
I'm, I guess I'm also figuringthis out too, and it's and this
(20:40):
is why we make a good podcastYeah.
Is because we, have different,Yeah.
Because I feel like I come at itvery loosey goosey, right?
Yes.
I'm not quite sure.
But that's, you're like okay.
Yeah.
But then, but also like I maybenot have had as many revelations
and in figuring out, and I thinkit's no, I think it's all great.
(21:00):
And I don't know, maybe insteadof think of it as like the last
thread, instead of cutting thethread, maybe we're building the
quilt.
Maybe we're building morehabits, the sleep, the emails
interesting.
Maybe we're building more.
To overcome the doubt if that iswhat you feel is holding you
(21:20):
back.
Ari (2) (21:21):
I think that makes a
lot of sense.
'cause I do think you could beright that I'm still looking for
a form of control in a differentway and the cutting of the
thread to me means and then Iwill just have absolute belief.
And that is still an absolute,like I just said, absolute.
That is still an absolutism.
Yeah.
(21:42):
Because it's harder when thingsare complicated.
Yeah.
Olivia (21:46):
We have not reached
Nirvana.
Ari (2) (21:48):
Right.
But then, I don't know.
It's going on forever.
The problem that I have, theproblem that I have is this what
I have asked for guidance orlike the thing that happened
when I shot Dexter with the datething.
That was crazy.
Which was crazy.
Yes.
Which we'll explain now, whichis that.
I was listening to anotherpodcast and it said, pick a date
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and just assume that on thatdate your life changes.
Your problem is solved.
What you want happens on thatdate, and how are you living?
If that is true, how are youliving?
And I remember talking to youabout it.
It was Lion's Portal.
It was Lion's Portal.
Yes.
On eight.
Oh, August 8th.
That's right.
Yeah.
And it was July 8th, so I justhappened to choose.
I said, okay, a month, August8th.
Great.
And I was not worrying about it.
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I was like taking care of mybody.
I was eating good food andbecause in my head I was like,
okay, August 8th, the dream roleknocks on my door.
I wanna be physically, mentallyfit.
I wanna be like, ready.
I don't know what the role is.
There's nothing for me toprepare.
I don't know the script.
I don't know what it's gonna be,but I wanna be ready, and that's
how I was living.
And then I booked this Dexterthing, and first of all, it was
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supposed to shoot on August 9th,and then they came at me and
they were like, they actuallywant you two days, August 8th
and August 9th.
Which I was like, see, becausethe universe really was like,
yes, I feel like the universeknew I wasn't gonna get it
unless it was like all thethings.
And the last thing was like, andit's also on the eighth.
Okay, that was eighth.
Pay attention.
So then that is what makes me belike, magical.
It was magical and it really I,it really makes me feel like
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there it is working in my favorand the more I can trust it, the
more it will work in my favor.
Olivia (23:21):
I have an idea.
Okay.
That's something we should do,and we talked about this before,
but I think we should pursuethat idea more picking a month
from today.
You did it already?
I picked a date.
Oh, she's already picked a date,folks.
Okay.
But she's
Ari (2) (23:35):
already met a date.
I almost don't wanna tell youagain.
Okay.
No.
That's the fear I have is thepressure of the date.
Olivia (23:40):
I picked it a long time
ago.
Okay.
I was gonna think.
Okay.
I think you can still keep thatdate.
But also maybe add this.
Okay.
Is this idea of I don't know.
On every, the Friday, the firstFriday every month.
I don't know.
Whatever we want.
Okay.
Something is going to happenthat is going to upgrade us,
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elevate us, make us stronger,make us feel good, whatever.
Because life's, like we said, acircle up and down.
And I think having those smallincrements, right?
Of time, of and I'm suresubconsciously that month
leading up to Right, you gaveyourself that month.
I.
I'm sure you were doing a lot ofsubconscious work and I things
(24:23):
that led you to those things.
Yeah.
As well as the universe, right?
Like obviously there was otheroutside Yes.
Things happening that allowedyou to get,
Ari (2) (24:32):
Yeah.
I think it's both outside andinside.
Both.
Olivia (24:33):
Yes,
Ari (2) (24:34):
exactly.
I think it is partially.
Magic.
Yes.
And partially your own mind andbody and Yeah.
And then this whole collectivething comes in, which I haven't
figured that out.
Maybe somebody will come on hereand explain it to me.
Olivia (24:45):
I way that makes sense.
Ari (2) (24:46):
We've got a lot of
stuff to chew.
We've got
Olivia (24:48):
big ideas, guys.
Okay.
But you're saying'cause firstFriday of every month, I don't
know.
Yeah, I just look, I'm thinkingof what are the things we could
do day to day maybe it's gonnabe like.
Not as big as like gettingDexter or something like that,
but maybe it's finding out goodnews about other stuff.
Maybe it's not always careerstuff, is what I'm saying.
Yes.
I don't know.
I just had that idea when youwere like talking about it and I
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was like maybe we just have moreof those, let's pick a date for
you.
What's today?
What's today?
March
Ari (2) (25:16):
14th.
Okay.
April 14th.
Okay.
April 14th.
Yeah.
That's good.
We don't know what it's gonnabe.
Something great's gonna happenon April 14.
I wonder what kind of day thatis.
I don't, I wanna know.
Okay.
You want, is it, I don't knowwhy it sounds like good that
you're into astrology.
'cause I know nothing.
I'm like, it's like fun to thinkabout, so
Olivia (25:34):
I know, but I, at the
end of the day, I just also
think it's fun.
Yeah.
14.
14.
I love it when it aligns.
Oh, it's a Monday, folks.
Ari (2) (25:44):
Okay.
Okay.
You know what?
I have another question for youwhile we're here.
Yes.
There's something about when youtalk about your spirituality and
the loosey goofiness that itmakes me wonder if you are like
running from something that youreally feel like, this is
unequivocally my belief.
Do you feel like you're runningfrom anything like that?
Olivia (26:06):
I don't think I'm
running from it.
I think the fear you might bedetecting or like the downplay
or whatever uhhuh is that Ikinda like how I said like I
nitpick things is I don't feelvery strong or in it.
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Like I feel like I've alwaysliked it.
I've always wanted it, but likeI'm not consistent.
Ari (2) (26:32):
Is there a reason why
you're not consistent?
Are you afraid that if you areconsistent and it doesn't work
out, you will have lostsomething?
Olivia (26:40):
I
Ari (2) (26:40):
don't
Olivia (26:41):
think, I don't think so.
Like truly and honestly, Ireally don't think so.
I don't know why I would beholding back.
I don't know if it's just likemy personality I think what I
like about this, the idea ofspirituality, is that there are
no right answers.
And that it is all personal.
And I think I like it beingsomething that I could always go
(27:05):
to, but that doesn't, it's notmy whole Thing.
But I have noticed I would like,to actually know my tarot cards.
I would like to know thehistory, I feel, I'm like, I'm
not a fraud, but like I know alot about little things.
No, I don't feel like you're afraud.
Ari (2) (27:22):
I never felt, I've
never felt like that.
Thank you.
But maybe that's.
Olivia (27:25):
How I feel.
'cause I'm okay not knowing.
Yes.
I'm not Okay.
I'm genuinely okay not knowingbecause I don't know if I ever
will know.
I don't know.
Right.
And I think that's I thinkthat's pretty cool.
Ari (2) (27:40):
I think that's cool.
I think, I think it.
And a lot of ways I feel likethe universe has brought a sail
to you.
Yes.
Because Yes.
To challenge each other.
Yes.
Like I am pr very regimented Ithink.
Yeah.
In a lot of these practices.
And partially because I feellike it has been proven to me
that it's like getting me what Iwant in my life.
And I think you are notregimented, but I wonder what it
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would be like if we, if I.
I don't know.
I don't know, like maybe weswitch bodies.
Olivia (28:08):
Hair
Ari (2) (28:09):
trap,
Olivia (28:10):
is that it?
No.
But the you're thinking ofFreaky Friday.
I am.
Oh yes.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think you're right.
I think that we are meant to,'cause I think I do want to feel
more.
Dived in.
Ari (2) (28:24):
Yeah.
Olivia (28:24):
'cause I do feel happier
when I am Right that way.
And maybe it's'cause when I'vehad like tough couple years, I
do just let it go.
Right?
I don't know if, I mean to andI, or maybe I just don't know
yet of like, why I just let itgo.
Yeah.
I don't think it's
Ari (2) (28:40):
like shame.
Olivia (28:42):
Okay.
Good.
Or anything like that.
Right?
As I'm thinking about it more.
Okay.
Of, I'm always afraid to getspecific.
Ari (2) (28:49):
Oh, do you feel
Olivia (28:50):
like you're a not
specific manifester?
Have you heard of that?
Not a specific manifester atall.
Okay.
And I know I've heard so muchabout it.
But I feel like that doesn'tcompute quite yet.
Interesting.
Ari (2) (29:02):
I don't think it has
to.
Olivia (29:03):
Yeah.
But you feel like if you guessspecific, I also don't know what
I want sometimes.
Whoa.
You know what I mean?
If I, like I've heard people do,because I've done the artist's
way and they do that, you getreally specific and I'm like,
okay, hold up because I'm onBroadway, but I'm also doing
this and I'm also doing this.
And I also like, and I, and it'sand I can't just go.
(29:24):
This is what I want.
Okay.
Ari (2) (29:25):
This is a possibility
that maybe will help you.
I don't know if we, I think itwould help if we're taking this
month with you.
We're gonna, and we're workingon like consistency in the month
to see if things change.
Right.
Okay.
I feel and in this month I alsoam going to work on.
Not being inconsistent, but notbeing as regimented and not
looking for the end resultbasically.
(29:46):
Okay.
Olivia (29:46):
Yes.
I think because I don't want youto let go of your rituals and
practices.
'cause I think that is importantand I, yes, I admire you for
that.
I wish I was the point who likedid the gratitude journals did
the yoga because again I know.
That's good.
I think we'll have to
Ari (2) (29:59):
pick a couple for you
that you're like, every day I do
these.
Okay.
Whatever it can be like.
Three things that you do or twothings, whatever.
Olivia (30:07):
Okay.
I'm gonna decide.
Yoga is one of'em.
Cards in cards and actually getit back into meditation.
Like truly, okay.
Truly and fully.
'cause those are the ones that Ithink are the most natural to
me.
Okay.
And that I love the most.
Okay.
So yoga.
Cards, magic.
It just makes make me so happy.
I, And guys at home, you can dothis too.
Ari (2) (30:26):
April 14th can also be
your day as well, guys at home.
I'll tell that something you,yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
So those are gonna be your threethings.
Okay.
Wait, I had a thought and I, Ilost it.
Do you want three things too?
I do want three things, but Ialso wanna remember what I was
gonna oh.
Okay.
Okay.
This specificity thing.
Okay.
I had a realization a littlewhile ago, man.
(30:47):
I just feel I have to stopsaying realization.
It sounds like I'm justrealizing things all the time.
That's okay.
I have said circle how manytimes.
Circle how many ago about I wastrying to manifest.
A lead, a series regular.
Okay.
That's been my dream forever.
Okay.
But it wasn't about the type ofrole, it wasn't about what I
wanna act and something came tome, I don't know if I was
(31:09):
reading something or whateverabout no, but what art do you
wanna do?
Right?
What?
What do you wanna play?
And so then I realized I wannaplay, I'll just put it out
there.
It's like a cop show.
I'm like, play somebody who'sreally witty and fun and funny.
Has this whole comedic side tome, but also I have PTSD because
I feel like.
There's a lot of people outthere with PTSD and IDI think it
would be very hard for an actorwith PTSD to play a person with
(31:30):
PT.
But I am very tapped into myemotional availability.
Yeah.
And I think I could actuallyhelp.
That was the other thing.
So how can I help with my art?
It's not just for me, it'sactually also for the world.
It's for people to feel thingsand be moved by it.
Yeah.
And to give a voice to somethingthat, that it would be like
actually hard for a person whohas that to voice, so for me, it
(31:51):
really helped me to be like, Iam, I wanna play that specific
person because I think that Icould do that in a way that a
lot of people couldn't.
So I wonder if that helps you atall.
Instead of being Broadway, it'swhat's the role?
It would be like a person withP-T-S-D-A
Olivia (32:08):
cop with PT over there.
How awkward.
No no.
It'd be like Leslie Knope onParks and Rec.
I don't know what character Ido.
I do wanna make people laughthough.
But it's a comedy okay.
It's a comedy that's, it'salready more, it's a comedy.
It's and I, and I.
Ari (2) (32:25):
And it's do you like
that she's doey and quirk and
Quirky.
Quirky, yes.
Yeah.
Olivia (32:29):
You play that very well.
Yeah.
I guess I could deep dive intowhat now this could be like,
what characters do you think?
No, I think that's helpful, but
Ari (2) (32:36):
yeah, I think that's
helpful because I felt similarly
like.
Kind of what you said about God,of I'm just going to God.
When I feel down, I feel likeI'm just asking for a result
that only benefits me.
I'm not even saying, how can Ihelp the world with this, like
art that I love, that I've andthe talent I've been given, and
it helped me to be like, I canhelp the world.
Like you can help the worldlaugh, yeah.
(32:57):
Does this kinda sound like we'rejust so full of ourselves maybe?
No.
We can change the world, but
Olivia (33:03):
Also.
I think there's the worstreasons to wanna be an artist
yeah, that's true.
Or actor I should say.
Yeah.
Okay.
So Olivia, yes.
It's a new day.
It's a new, A lot has happenedsince the beginning of this
podcast, to be totally honest.
Yeah.
With our 12,000 listeners.
Yep.
Yep.
And transparency is key.
(33:25):
Transparency is key.
So now we are adding on yourmm-hmm.
Spiritual practices and history.
Yes.
But first we have some cardshere.
Yeah.
And.
Should we pull one?
Yes, please.
Okay.
I haven't pulled from this deck.
Yeah, you got me.
This is your deck.
You got me.
I know.
I'm so excited.
It's the star seed Oracle.
Yes.
(33:45):
And now I listen to thisperson's podcast.
Oh yes.
Yep.
And also I was recommended abook by her recently.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay, so I should shuffle it.
I'm gonna shuffle.
Yeah.
So I had a thing about one of myfriends would put her cards in a
circle.
Yes.
And I've always liked that.
'cause she was like, they're alltouching.
And I was like, oh, I love that.
It's like a circle.
(34:05):
Yeah.
As you know, I love circles.
Um, but um, yeah, now.
I feel like a lot of myspiritual practices are just
stealing from other people.
Like little things.
Aren't they all?
Aren't they all?
Yeah.
You say that about everything.
Exactly.
And one of them is, you know, Ithink the typical way is just
like, yeah, you, you, youshuffle and then you cut the
(34:27):
deck.
Check.
We shuffle.
Okay.
So you, Chicago, airy, airy.
Shuffle it.
I'm gonna cut it.
Okay.
All right.
So it's this card.
Okay.
Um, no freaking.
It's almost like the voidperspective.
No, I thought it was the void.
That's, I got the void a lot,but it's perspective.
But this one is also so good.
I've gotten this one a couple oftimes.
Okay.
(34:47):
I love this.
So for those at home, dude,12,000 have you?
12,000.
Um, I got perspective.
None of this matters.
Zoom out.
Common ground.
I love, I love that.
I really love that.
I love that so much.
Well, do you wanna read thethingy?
We were just talking about if weshould have each of our guests
pull a card, which I really likethe idea of, but I wonder if
(35:08):
some people will be, I thinkit'd be optional.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, you know, like off mic.
Yeah.
And then we won't judge.
Yeah, we won't judge.
No, seriously.
Totally up to, it's totally upto them.
Um.
Okay, so those who wanna knowperspective, none of this
matters.
Zoom out common ground.
Take a step back and look at thebigger picture of your life.
(35:29):
Step away from the blinkering.
Blinkered vision.
Uh, and reactive frame of mindof the me against them.
Change your perspective.
Shift your point of view andzoom out, out, out.
We see the planet as ours to ownand conquer, pillaging the land
and setting ourselves up foreventual extinction.
(35:50):
This moment is a breath in thetimeline of your life.
This life is a fleeting momentin the tapestry of your soul's
experience.
And the timeline of all that is,was, and ever will be.
Wow.
Wow.
This is a good dovetail.
Yes.
Because, um, in the, the part ofthis podcast that got edited
out, you talked a lot about howa lot of your spiritual
(36:12):
practices are grounded innature.
Yes.
Yes.
So maybe we could say thatagain.
Okay.
But like as if for the firsttime, um, you know, what area,
you know, where my spiritualpractices come from, I have no
idea.
Um, no, I think, I think that'sjust when I say nature, I, I, I,
I mean a lot of, I thinkreligions and spiritual
(36:36):
practices lean on nature.
Yeah.
Or, or being inspired by nature.
And that whenever it's relatedspecifically to nature, that is
just what has always resonatedto me.
Mm-hmm.
Um, that's when I feel the mostspiritual, you know?
Do you feel like more so in thewoods, more so at the beach, or
(36:57):
it doesn't matter.
It's just like outside water isa key component.
Um, but I think just beingoutside.
Mm-hmm.
I think feeling.
Small on this earth is whatlike, I think being in the ocean
is a, is a big one.
Yeah.
Um, but also being in themountains, it's like the
(37:18):
reminder that I'm just a weelittle thing, you know?
Just a wee little, I'm just alittle guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I grew up in the desert and,this was all here first.
Yeah.
You know, and it just, it just,it feels sacred, there's such a
universality to that.
Like, I feel like I often thinkabout this shared experience of
(37:40):
being at a concert.
Mm-hmm.
How people get like addicted tobeing at concerts or sporting
events.
Yeah.
Because it's like, it is likeyou can't deny, even if you're
not a sports fan or a music fan,you can't deny the collective
like heartbeat of events likethat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And similarly in nature, I feellike it's hard to, even just,
when I go on a walk and I'm likelooking out at the sky, it's,
you can't deny that or havinglike some flowers on your
(38:02):
kitchen table.
Yeah.
You know, I just, which is thejoy to it.
Yeah You know, I just, there isa connection there and yeah,, it
is just, it sounds basic to say,but it is just mm-hmm.
It's so true.
And, and that's why I think whenwe're talking, you know, the
edited version Yeah.
Was, you know, I talked abouthow I.
(38:25):
Pick and choose, and I'm, Istill don't, I wouldn't, I
couldn't just name myspirituality.
I'm still, I guess, figuringthat out.
Mm-hmm.
But I do know it's rooted innature.
Yeah.
That is, that just, that'simmediate to me.
Another thing that I've
been starting to get really
into, like really these, likelast couple years, are the
(38:47):
seasons.
Mm.
Like every solstice and Equinox,I like to sit down and write a
bucket list of, Ooh, I lovethat.
What, what I'm gonna do and, andI What are some things that have
been on it?
Well, okay, so like this, thenew one, the spring, right?
For me, spring's about like, newbeginning.
So I have one time been like, Ithink for Spring I like to focus
(39:10):
on any new activities I wannatry.
Okay.
Like I wanna get back into likehula hooping or I want to, plant
more flowers.
There's something aboutlistening and, enjoying what the
seasons force you to do, butwhat they're encouraging to you
to do.
You know, like spring's allabout new beginnings and then
(39:31):
the fall is like, it's quietingand, and reflection.
And the same with the winter.
So like, I know there'ssomething about like going into
that every year and justfollowing that and kind of
watching myself go through thatcycle of, you know, blooming
kind of going into rest creationand.
(39:54):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was gonna ask you if you feellike it is your artistic journey
in some way as well, likebecause of that.
Mm-hmm.
Are you able to, yeah.
In the dark times, be like, thisis the winter.
Yes.
Yes.
I'm hibernating.
Yes.
And I'll bloom again.
I've thought about that way.
Yeah.
Or, or, I think of it as like,okay, I'm not getting a lot of
auditions.
Maybe.
Maybe I focus on enhancing askill of some kind.
(40:19):
You know?
I feel like I've just, orreading more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I just started to really havethat thought consistently in a
way that is beneficial of therewill always be another audition.
Mm-hmm.
There will be.
Yeah.
Like even the people who get noauditions ever, there will be an
audition.
Yes.
There's just, it's impossiblefor there not to be.
Yes.
(40:40):
Yes.
So that does help me.
Yeah.
And it's also a way to like, notfeel like you're stuck for me.
You know?
There's always something to bedoing.
Yeah.
I love that.
Mm-hmm.
Um, yeah.
So that's part of it.
And then cards, cards are partof it.
And then cards, I love Oracleand tar cards very, very much.
(41:00):
Um, who do you think is, do youthink that something is talking
to you through it?
Like, do you think.
The universe or spirit guides orsomething is giving you a
message or do you, or, becausesome people feel like when they
pull a card, it's just theirreaction to it is like what the
quote unquote magic is.
It's like how they're receivingit.
That is the magic I think.
(41:23):
I think a little bit of both.
Mm-hmm.
Because.
Whenever.
Okay.
Whenever I,'cause I also love topull cards for other people.
Mm.
That's like one of my favoritethings.
I love to do it for myself, butI also love to do it with other
people.
'cause it's a great way to learnabout people.
And a lot of times for peoplewho've never pulled cards or
(41:43):
anything like that, I always, Ilike to say, you know, don't
stress about it.
Don't worry about it.
Mm-hmm.
It's whatever you bring.
Yeah.
But you know, it's whatever.
If you're open to it, you willfind something.
You know, that's, I kind of justlike to like take the pressure
off.
Yeah.
And that's how I view it ingeneral too.
So I do think that there, yeah,there is something about
sometimes you pull it.
(42:04):
And it's just what you need tohear.
And that's a question I ask whenI do generally pull a card that
it could be, what do you need tohear?
Just like, what do I need tohear?
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Um, and I also like to say like,if you don't resonate with a
card, like we could pull a newone or, you know, and I give
that, you know, I, I allow thatfor myself too if I'm just like
pulling privately.
Um, I think you have to be, youdo you that every day.
(42:26):
Yes, yes.
I've gotten really good aboutit, actually.
Great.
I've been tried.
Yes.
In the morning pulling a cardthe basic, what do I need to
hear or what is this gay gonnabring me?
there have been times where youdo pull cards that it's not just
your mind.
Mm.
You know, it feels like there'stoo much of a coincidence that
it's, it's, it's too relatablethat I do feel like there is
(42:49):
some kind of energy, whetherit's a spear guide or otherwise
channeling through the cards.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but I don't think that'severy time hot take.
I don't think that's every time,and I think that's okay.
Yeah.
You know, I do think thatsometimes you were meant to have
that card.
And it's something talking toyou, and other times it's, you
(43:13):
know, Wait, I have too many, Ihave so many questions.
Okay.
First of all, do you believe incoincidences or do you think
that every coincidence is likedivinely inspired?
That's a tough question.
Yeah.
I asked the tough question.
I, I got a podcast now.
That's what I do.
That's what, that's what I do.
What?
Gotta say, um, there's two sidesof me.
(43:39):
Mm-hmm.
It sounds negative, but do youthink there can be just
coincidences?
Okay.
Another hot take like about No.
Yeah, super hot.
Another hot take.
Like about, does it matter whatit's about?
Like if it's like the person infront of you orders your exact
same coffee order or something.
Right.
I think that's why it's like howbig, how grand.
(44:02):
There's probably coincidenceshappening all the time that
we're unaware of.
Mm-hmm.
And maybe the ones that we dobecome aware of or realize are
more, are more divinelyinspired, maybe.
Okay.
Interesting.
I could be convinced.
That's why I say like, this is ahard question.
Well, that's why I think, Imean, I feel like we're similar
in that.
Like I also think that there's alot of inside work.
(44:23):
Mm-hmm.
And mind work that creates Yeah.
This stuff.
Mm-hmm.
Like, maybe I should be morespecific.
There's a lot of inside work andmind work that can positively
affect your life and bring goodthings to you, as if by magic.
I also think that there ismagic.
I think there's both things.
Yeah.
I think there is like magic,like divinely inspired spirit
(44:43):
guides.
Mm-hmm.
God, universe, like I, I thinkthere's just like too much there
for it just to be all created bythe mind.
Yeah.
Although where I get tripped upis the universal consciousness
idea, that we're all like, we'reall in one collective.
So that this divinely inspiredstuff is actually just the
collective that is creatingthis, because we're all one
(45:04):
basically, right?
Is I, if I think about too much,I like lose it.
You know what I mean?
I think if you think about anyof this stuff too much.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I, I mean, I completelyagree.
I think because I also, whenyou, when I hear universal
conscious, consciousconsciousness, consciousness.
I'm never gonna say that wordagain.
I think Yeah.
I'm never gonna, I'm never gonnasay that word.
(45:26):
Uh, I, I like, I like how itsounds, right.
I, I love this idea that we areall connected.
Yeah.
That's, we're all just onemassive energy and we're all
connected and they're, you know,I love that.
Mm-hmm.
If someone said, prove it orexplain to me, yeah.
I don't know if I could.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Do you believe you have spiritguides?
Not really.
I, I've never really thoughtabout it.
Okay.
To be honest, I've been reallyinspired by like the ocean and a
tree.
Mm-hmm.
So maybe that is the closestform.
Yeah.
But I don't speak to anyone.
(46:09):
I don't have any spear guidesthat I like talk to.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Okay.
No.
Okay.
So nature cards and youmeditate.
I know.
Yeah.
I love to meditate..
How does meditating work foryou, I guess?
What's your meditation practice?
at least five, 10 minutes.
I used to have to be, it's likeeither there was sound or it was
(46:30):
guided.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, to help with concentration.
And I, now, I've gotten to apoint where I can do it in a,
in, in the car, you know, justlike, yeah.
Be careful.
Girl.
It's Los Angeles.
Sorry, girl.
When I, when I pick up Campbellfrom school, yeah.
I'm waiting there a while and soI'll take that time just to
(46:52):
like.
Sit there.
Mm-hmm.
And meditate.
Just close my eyes.
Focus on my breath.
And I don't, I dunno if that Ihave had realizations, you know
what?
I've had, like things that I'veworked through, in my head and
then during actually a soundbath.
Oh, I love a sound bath.
(47:13):
Sound bath.
Which may be the peak ofmeditation to me.
Yes.
Yeah.
Um.
Of like a epiphany of like, likeI released something.
but on a whole, as a whole, asfar as like a daily practice,
it's not like I'm having.
Epiphanies and realizations.
Yeah.
A lot of times it's just a wayto like soothe myself and just
(47:37):
ground myself.
Mm-hmm.
And I've noticed if I amconsistent mm-hmm.
Then I, in general, I just feela lot more at ease, well,'cause
we like, like we talked about inthe other part of like, you
we're just never, still withourselves.
Mm-hmm.
Unless we're sleeping.
Yeah.
And there's so much input now.
Yeah.
(47:57):
I feel like I've gotten betterat it, but the times I've slept
into a deep me meditation.
Slipped, slipped, slipped,slipped, slipped.
That's a Freudian thing maybe?
Or what is it?
Not Freudian.
Yeah, a slipped Freudian slip.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah, because it feels like I'munder myself.
Right.
That's such an interesting imageand not above.
(48:19):
Yeah.
Do you feel above or you don'tfeel, or that's not what it's
for you?
If I'm feeling any kind of likephysical or just like out of,
um.
It's more a tingly sensation.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I get that too.
And when I open my eyes is whenI kind of feel it the most in a
weird way.
Do you close your eyes?
(48:39):
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
'cause now everyone closes theireyes.
While meditating, but if it'slike long enough and then
afterwards when I open my eyes,it's almost like.
I was in this like littlebubble.
Mm.
It's like Glinda and Wicked andshe popped her, but boop.
Mm-hmm.
And then I'm just like, back inthe world again.
Yeah.
It's kind of magic.
(49:00):
Yeah.
It just feels, it's like alittle reset.
What is your spiritual historyand how did you come to, to find
these practices?
Okay.
Um, I would say in general, Ididn't really grow up religious.
And my stepdad was, uh,Catholic.
And so I went to church with himfor a little bit and there was a
(49:21):
time that I like believed inGod.
Mm-hmm.
do you believe in God now?
No.
What do you believe in now?
I, if I believe that there is.
Energy, a universal spirit.
Okay.
Less, but you don't believe it'sa higher power you believe it is
Amongst us, yeah.
(49:42):
Okay.
Yeah, I don't think, I don'tthink there's like a higher
power.
Yeah.
Interesting.
I don't know if it's becausethat's the version I like then
does it necessarily?
Does it, yes.
S That's fair.
But I'm also like, does itmatter?
I think about this a lot of, ifit helps our lot.
Yeah, that's what I mean.
I, that's why I was like, it's,that's why when it's like, how
(50:03):
do, how do I conceptualize orverbally explain what I, my
spiritual practices are what Ibelieve in.
And I think I go back to nature'cause it's simple.
That to me is, that's that tome, that it to me is.
Closest thing I can think of,God, you know?
Yes.
In that sense.
Um, but I don't think ofanything like, I don't think of
(50:26):
a higher power in that sense ofif something, I don't know,
controlling or anything likethat.
Okay.
Got it.
I have so many questions.
I'm gonna just rapid fire themat you relatively.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Question one.
I'm ready.
Okay.
Question one.
Do you remember when you sstopped believing?
Believing God?
Believ?
Yeah.
Okay.
But let, okay, well hang on tothat.
(50:47):
Don't worry.
That also, has being married toan atheist changed your
spiritual views at all?
No.
Okay, great.
Knock that one up.
Do you believe that any, thatanything is predestined?
I think this goes back to thecoincidence I.
Yeah, question.
So you think some things are,some aren't.
I think there's some things,yeah.
(51:07):
Honestly, like there are likekind of markers along the way.
How about you would, this willhappen.
I feel like I have free will Ijust flinged my arms?
It was really great.
I really enjoyed that.
I think I believe in free.
I believe in free will, butthere's also so many things that
we can't control or I don'tknow.
(51:28):
But do you think like you weremet meant, meant to meet grants
to do things?
Oh.
Or like do you believesoulmates?
See, to see when you say that,see when you phrase it that way,
I'm like, yes, we were alwaysmeant to be.
Well, if there's a part of methat's like.
,that's why I wouldn't say like,I don't believe in nothing.
You know?
Like I believe there, there issomething that is magically,
(51:50):
yeah.
I don't think it coing in a way,but I don't think of it.
I guess I'm not, I, you knowwhat?
I don't know.
You know what?
Listen, it doesn't feel hypo.
I don't, to me if that's yourconcern, it feels like what
you're saying is you believethat some things are
coincidences and some thingsaren't, and that tracks with you
saying some things are.
Possibly predestines and somethings aren't.
Yeah.
Like you can believe insoulmates and not believe in a
(52:11):
higher power.
Yeah.
Or if that's what Do you believein soulmates?
Do you guys believe you guys aresoulmates?
Yeah.
Okay.
I believe in Oh yeah.
That's actually funny.
I believe in like soulmates evenlike I feel like we were meant
to be together.
Oh.
You know what I mean?
That's nice.
Meet too.
I feel like like people in yourlives Yeah.
Are like, you know, I believe inthat sense of a soulmate, like
you were meant to meet thatperson.
(52:32):
Mm-hmm.
Or have that person in your lifeno matter how.
Long they are in there for aseason.
A reason or Lifetime A reason.
Exactly.
I love that.
I use that all the time.
I stole that from somewhere.
Exactly.
I dunno where, sorry.
Um, but going back to when Ibelieved, yes.
Okay.
First, um, I don't remember whatwas making me upset, but I was,
I wanna say middle school.
(52:53):
Mm-hmm.
And I remember.
Like praying to God aboutsomething'cause I was upset.
Mm-hmm.
And then realizing that I onlyspeak to God.
When I wanted something.
Yeah.
And then that just like was thebeginning.
Yeah.
I think it takes people a reallylong time to realize that.
(53:14):
Yeah.
I think that's very wise of youas 12 year olds.
I was like, wait a minute.
Hang on, hang on one second.
Who is this guy?
You know what I notice is that.
I, my prayer is the same everysingle night, and it felt, it is
feeling like a me trying tocontrol it thing again.
Ooh.
What do you, okay, okay, okay.
(53:34):
Okay.
Let's get into this.
Yeah.
Just like, for some reason,superstition and spirituality to
me, can feel like they're on thesame train track.
Mm-hmm.
You know?
Yeah.
And I think my tracks getcrossed sometimes.
Okay.
Where it starts to feel like ifI don't say this prayer the same
way for the same people eachnight, something bad will
(53:56):
happen.
Okay.
Which also, I was gonna bringthis up because we have a
similar like limiting beliefthat we're both working on of
mm-hmm.
Thinking that if something goodhappens, something bad has to
happen to balance it out.
Yeah.
And it's somewhere along, itfeels sort of the same as that.
It's like this superstitiousright.
Thing.
So, I don't know.
It's like, can you be spiritualwithout being superstitious?
(54:18):
Can you take that out of it?
Like, is that baked in to whatwe're talking about here?
there was a time where I only,I, I refuse to believe in bad
luck.
I only.
Believed in good luck.
I love that.
Um, like all the like bad luckpractices, like the black cat or
going under a ladder orwhatever, you know?
(54:39):
Yeah.
I don't believe in that, so.
Yeah, exactly.
So interesting.
So I wonder if it's too, it'sjust like what's comforting too.
'cause I also feel like a lot ofthese practices are, at the end
of the day, what comforts us.
That's a good point.
You it is a good point.
You know, like, I think thereason why people choose their
form of spiritual practices.
(55:00):
Or even maybe some peoplewouldn't even say spiritual, but
routines or rituals are thethings that they do every day
that some would considerspiritual.
Mm-hmm.
And some would just consider,that's just like what you do.
Yeah.
You know, that just makes mefeel good.
Mm-hmm.
You know, some people go for awalk just'cause they just wanna
go for a walk.
when you said that this is theprayer, is this a prayer that
(55:22):
you've used your whole life?
No, it's like my children, my, Igo through it.
Okay.
You know what I mean?
But it's kind of like the samephrasing.
Mm-hmm.
Every time.
So I was trying for a bit tolike, mix it up and sort of like
have it be more of aconversation because I do
believe I have a spirit guide.
Right.
So I'm trying to have.
More of a conversation than aprayer, but I think I do feel
comforted by the prayer thing.
(55:42):
So like maybe that's just Okay.
Yeah, I think that's okay.
Also, it reminds me of, I'mlistening to this book called
The Code of the ExtraordinaryMind.
Very interesting plugging it,not that it needs lines, it's
like famous book, plugging iton.
There's probably a lot of peoplewho want.
Yeah.
Um, but one of the things hesays, which I thought was
interesting was like, throughoutour lives we upgrade almost
(56:03):
every single thing we upgradeour schooling.
We upgrade our, physical beingand wellness.
We upgrade our, family life, ourhouse.
We like get more money, a biggerhouse, a bigger job, whatever.
And we don't upgrade ourspiritual practices.
Like a lot of people are stuckwith, my family went to church,
so I'm going to church.
Yeah.
(56:23):
And without ever questioning doI sibling this, is this serving
me right now in terms of makingme feel like a more full person.
A lot of people do not talkabout upgrading that.
That's interesting.
So it is interesting because Ifelt like because of the, my
controlling nature, I want it tobe like, this is gonna be my
thing forever.
But I don't think that's true.
I think, oh yeah.
(56:43):
That perhaps this prayer is fornow and then it will be a
different prayer or a non prayeror whatever.
Mm-hmm.
It's like.
I think it's just about, for me,having the ability to be fluid
and be like, maybe it won't bethis forever.
Yeah.
I think it's like, this isserving me now.
Right.
And I think that's key.
And I think that's okay to belike, this is how I wanna say
it.
Mm-hmm.
This is how I wanna do it.
And then have the freedom tochange it.
(57:05):
Mm-hmm.
And maybe not be afraid of.
The outcome.
'cause I think it's still thesame process.
Yeah.
Right.
You're still invested insomething you're still,
exploring.
Mm-hmm.
And that's, that's big actually.
That's, that didn't really thinkabout it that way.
That we upgrade in so manydifferent ways.
Also, I wonder too, for a lot ofpeople, like who.
(57:26):
Who is having these activeconversations about
spirituality?
Hopefully a lot of you.
You know, it's still maybe ataboo Yes.
Subject for something.
Do you feel that, like, do youfeel any shame around this, or
have you felt any shame aroundthis?
Sometimes, uh, only because, um,you know, I'm a girl in LA that
(57:50):
has crystals and I feel likethat's what, yeah.
Yeah.
And there's like of the WW wordas I'll call it, because I
really hate that word.
Whoa, whoa.
Oh, woo.
I hate woo woo.
Yeah.
Woo woo stopped me fromexploring my spirituality.
Yeah.
For so long.
Truly.
Yeah.
I just didn't wanna be that andthen I, so then I didn't like
(58:12):
that.
And, and it's just that word,ugh.
Right.
Well, I mean, I think, I thinkthere can be a lot of people who
have like, profited off of, youknow, these kind of things.
The WW word, the woo woo.
Yeah.
And.
You know, uh, I'm trying tothink of the, what's the, what's
the store in la The, um,intuition store.
(58:33):
Oh, yeah.
Do you know what I'm talkingabout?
Where everything's like$3million?
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, yeah, like there was alittle bit of shame of like I
didn't wanna be perceived asdumb.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think there might also be,although it feels dated, but my
scientist friend who I told youabout, yes.
Off mic.
Who's very logical.
(58:54):
And now because of theseconversations I've been having
with her is more open to kind oftrusting, like having this more
spiritual relationship and, andlike that is like awesome.
'cause I just think it makespeople's lives better.
Yeah.
Overall.
But she was saying that shefeels like there is a, stigma of
people just being like, I'mgonna do no work and I'm gonna
(59:14):
leave it up to the universe.
Like it's just gonna come to me.
I feel like that's outdated.
Like I don't feel like that is acurrent idea of people who are
into meditation or manifestationor whatever, do you feel at all
that people are gonna look atyou as though, like, you're not
trying or like you're notworking hard Yeah, no, I don't
think that's quite it.
Why do you think more women talkabout this than men overall?
Ooh, I don't know.
(59:36):
I would, I, I'm, that's like,I'm pulling that kind of outta
my butt, but I'm pretty surethat's true.
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah.
I don't know.
'cause I mean, grant and I havetalked about it, even though,
you know, he's wouldn't say he'sspiritual per se.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I dunno I now just wanna aska bunch of guys if we talk about
it, like I'm very curious, bunchof dos on this show because I'm
(01:00:00):
sure there are so many, Sorry, Ijust clicked.
Whoa.
It, it dawned on me like why,what the shame part was is like
I don't want it to beperformative.
Mmm.
I don't want to lookperformative.
And I think because, again, I'm,uh, another person in LA who
likes crystals and tarot and allthat stuff, and knows astrology.
(01:00:23):
You know, that.
It's just I'm going with thetrend.
Yeah.
And it's like, ugh, that sucks.
Because that's not.
That's not it, yeah.
And I, yeah, that, that was whatI was, because I, I was trying
to like, dig deep of like, okay,what, there was shame, but what
exactly is it?
I think it's that, that I thinkthere are, there's some, I think
at its core it's, it's, it'sgenuine, but that, you know, in
(01:00:45):
the wrong hands.
Mm-hmm.
It can be.
You know what I think, and it'sfor me, the shame, which like,
I'm ashamed to even admit aboutthe shame.
Oh my gosh, am I gonna shamespiral shame squared?
How shame squared's.
Like, I, oh my God, sounds sodumb.
I am worried that it makes meless castable.
(01:01:06):
What?
Yeah, just like if somebody was,if one of the 12,000 of you out
there was like a castingdirector who was not just like,
didn't like this.
I feel like there are somepeople out there who just don't
like people who talk about thisstuff.
Yeah.
Because I, I, and I really thinkit's because they probably have
their own issues and historywith it, or they haven't thought
(01:01:27):
about it themselves.
They haven't exploredthemselves.
They don't wanna deal with it.
They don't wanna touch it.
Yeah.
And like view, serve as areminder to that.
But in my, I need to trust theuniverse.
The universe has got it.
Like this feels.
Right to me.
You know what I mean?
So like Right.
It's gonna lead me along theright path if there was somebody
out there who didn't cast me,because that would be crazy,
(01:01:49):
would it?
I dunno that Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Do you think so?
Yes.
Okay.
If a casting director'slistening to this right now, and
if you're making decisions basedoff of their spiritual
practices, yeah.
Hello.
Look at yourself in the mirror.
That's crazy.
No, I can't imagine.
Mm.
No.
No.
Do you think it's, do you think,again, you know how I said like
(01:02:12):
it makes me like, I don't wantpeople to think I'm dumb.
Is that it?
Like also how would they know?
I don't know if they, would theylisten to this?
Yeah, if they listen to this,are they one on my Instagram
right, where this will be orwhatever.
I don't know.
It's also, I think it's thatbecause, ugh, I feel like where
I am in my career now.
Mm-hmm.
(01:02:33):
A lot of it is also likebusiness focused.
Like I feel like something thatis not talked about a lot.
I know we're like.
And we're just gonna have to goback and edit all this stuff
out.
But it too, why are you sointeresting?
No, I just, I ever wanna feel awords.
No, you don't.
It's all interesting.
I wanna keep it all.
I hope you still listen like twohours later.
(01:02:53):
Yeah.
Okay.
We'll finish this thought then.
Okay.
Okay.
Sorry.
You were saying about castingand Yeah.
Yeah.
'cause I feel a little bit likeI am, I don't wanna say
micromanaging my career.
That sounds too much.
I have great reps.
They do a lot.
But I'm aware that we also needto be business people.
Mm-hmm.
In a way that I had to learnalong the way.
Yeah.
That I feel like was maybe toldto me, but I suppose to all this
(01:03:14):
stuff, it's like it's told youbut you don't know it until you
know it.
And so I'm aware of I, I don'tknow, image, I guess.
Yeah.
In a certain way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that makes a lot sense.
Not that it's not me, but it'sjust like, you know, I don't
wanna give anybody a reason tonot hire me because I really
wanna be an actor, you know?
Right.
So I think it's that, and it'salso tied in with people that
have known me forever.
Like people will be surprised tohear this, I think.
(01:03:35):
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I think that's what, I thinkthat's what's what it is.
Maybe that's what it's, which ispeople can be yeah.
I'm not saying they're gonna benegatively surprised.
No.
But I think they will besurprised.
Yeah.
And coming from me, like thisis, we talk about this all the
time.
Yeah, yeah.
That it doesn't come surprising.
That's why when, when you saythis to me, I'm like, why does
it matter?
This is, this is just who you,this is you.
(01:03:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know?
That it's such a weird thing tobe like ashamed.
I don't know.
Like, why are we ashamed aboutthis?
It's like such a weird thing tobe ashamed about.
Yeah.
I think also too, for mepersonally, it's a little
different that like, uh, I feelindecisive about it, right?
Like all these questions you'reasking me and I'm going both.
(01:04:17):
Yes.
And I think there is somethingto that.
And I, and you know what?
I'm not as, I'm maybe notashamed of that part, and I
don't mind.
I don't actually, I like notknowing, I genuinely love not
knowing Yeah.
Of what's going on and how it'shappening.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I think for a, for a while,I thought that you were running
(01:04:39):
from something, right?
Potentially.
Mm-hmm.
With the both.
Yes.
Maybe thing and, and I and thelike, I like not knowing.
Yeah.
But I, I don't think I thinkthat anymore.
I think that is genuinely you.
But I do still think, like whatwe talked about you being more
committed.
Yeah.
And I think that that choice, Iwould just be interested to see
(01:05:01):
what that does differently foryou.
Mm-hmm.
Not that you like need thatnecessarily.
No.
But I'd be interested to see ifanything changed for you.
Yeah.
And actually I'm, I'm excited totry it.
Yeah.
Um, to see which I think youshould only do it if you are
excited.
Right.
That's the whole point.
Yes.
Of this to me is, you know, do,do what excites you, what
(01:05:21):
intrigues you and.
Makes you feel that, that magic.
Mm-hmm.
I think magic in, in, in a wayhas so many meanings to me.
And I think it's just like thatspark.
It's, it's that thing.
It's, it's what makes lifespecial.
I think people are uncomfortablesometimes because it's, kind of
(01:05:43):
a vulnerable thing to, to do allit does is, lends to more
questions.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
You have to start from a placeof being excited about the
questions.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I'm, and I'm, I'm excited toask all the questions.
So for each episode, yeah.
(01:06:03):
Uh, the person we're talking toin this one,'cause it's a
special one special, that's whyit's extended version.
Um, we just, we choose, apractice that they do in their
lives to do for two weeks.
Yes.
And then we come back and we saylike, this is how we felt about
it.
This is what we noticed.
(01:06:24):
And then we have the next gueston, and then we do one of their
spiritual practices for twoweeks.
So since we have each other now,yes, I am going to pull a card
every day for two weeks.
Which is one of yours?
Yes.
And I'm gonna do yoga.
Yoga and meditate.
Yeah.
Yes.
Because you weren't meditatingevery day.
No.
But now you will.
(01:06:45):
Yes.
Okay, well this has beenspiritual practices of the
disgruntled artist Spora.
The next time you hear from us,we will have on a guest.
Ooh, and who will that be?
I better tune in to find out.
Thank you so much for listening.
(01:07:05):
We hope that this has broughtyou some sense of peace or joy
or both.
Yeah.
Write us with any questions.
Please do.
Okay, love you.
Bye.
Ari (01:07:17):
Okay guys, what's up?
We're back again.
And Enco presentation.
By Olivia, suppose an airhatter.
Yes.
Okay.
So as you have maybe noticed, wetalk in this episode about April
14th and how something great isgonna happen for Olivia on April
14th and today Friends is April14th.
Yes.
So we both manifested itspiritually and just in
(01:07:39):
actuality and decision making.
Yeah.
With hard work and decisions,but also magic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it also was the best day onthe calendar.
And then I went, oh my gosh,guess what day that is?
April 14th, April 14th.
It's a little, little nugget foryou guys.
Um, you can also pick a date.
'cause then we're like, if youwanna pick a date, you can also
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choose April 14th, but now it'sApril 14th.
So pick a date.
Any date.
It could also be today.
Today's not over unless you'relistening to this admin night.
If so, sweet dreams tonight.
Love you so much.