Ep 25 Bridging Faith and Music: A Conversation with Fred Pope Jr.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
What's going on y'all ?
Hey, y'all already know what itis.
It's another one, it's anotherWednesday.
Hey, when y'all hear my voicein the podcast, come on.
Y'all know that it's Wednesday,it's hump day, we almost
through the week and we turningup y'all.
So, hey, without further ado,this is your boy, abiyah, on the

(00:28):
Spit your Tooth podcast and Igot my beloved brother on here
with me this time, and I mean,this brother is very
knowledgeable in a lot ofdifferent things and we have
some different, some somedifferent and some some real
deep and intelligibleconversations.
So I had to get him on apodcast, had to get him on here,
had to show y'all, I mean hadto let y'all see the brother,

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because he has a ministry too,and we're going to get into all
that too, y'all.
But without further ado, I'mgoing to let him go ahead and
introduce himself, because if Iwas to do it, it wouldn't give
him enough justice.
So go ahead and introduceyourself, because if I was to do
it, it wouldn't give me enoughjustice, so go ahead and
introduce yourself, bro, tellthem who you is and what you

(01:12):
came to do.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
So my name is Zachary Fred Pope Jr, gracie, everybody
, everybody.
Fred Pope Jr.
This is the gospel, christ andChristian At Rice as well, and
and every other genre producer,songwriter, singer, and I go by
Facebook and also at the styleof music.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Hey, y'all need to check in, tap in on his pages,
on his social media links,because he's doing a lot of good
things for the community andhis ministry and his community
and just the overall communitytoo.
Like you know, he's spittingthe word, speaking the word at

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the most time, and you know he'sa good brother.
You know good brother, I'veknown him for years and you know
we've always had goodinteractions like so all praises
, bro, so yeah, so which yousaid that you, uh, you have a
minute, so where do you preachat, bro?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Man.
I'm at the Salem MissionaryBaptist Church in Dayton, ohio,
3100 West 3rd Street Church inDayton, ohio, 3100 West 3rd
Street.
It's open and available to comeworship with the family.
So we're not up to no moneystuff.
It's the pure word of God.
Don't believe it takes all day.
Get that done.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Hey, and that's the biggest thing, it don't take all
day, y'all, because some ofthese churches and these Hebrew
classes and Christian classes belike hey, we come in at 12, we
leaving this motherfucker at 12,like bro like why?

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and I and I, I get it, I get it,I get it, excuse me, y'all
Excuse me, I get it, but it betoo much.
I remember when I was going tothe Christian church when I was

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younger, my Aunt Betty, my bady'all.
Y'all already know what I be onLike.
Bro, I'm gonna get my hound,you know.
So y'all gotta endure mycoughing because that was a good
laugh.
It went down the wrong pipe,but, or the right pipe, whatever
you want to say.
But yeah, man, I remember wewent to the when we used to go
to church.
We went to St Luke, ame, and myAunt Betty she was an

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evangelist, so she did.
She was like a travelingpreacher.
She didn't know, she didn'thave like a set place where she
preached, she just went and justgave it out everywhere, right.
So this sister, she was like Icouldn't understand if she was
powerful, or it was just like alike I couldn't understand if
she was powerful, or it was justlike a shame, I don't know.
But she would like when theywould ask her to pray, her

(04:15):
prayers would last about 20minutes and people would be
asleep.
People would be like man tryingto like yeah, they would like
the choir would like be tryingto like that.
Yeah, they would like the uh,the choir would like like be
trying to uh like prompt her toshut up, like end it, because
they'd be like behind hersinging low, like you know what
I'm saying, and uh like,especially, she was the one like

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, if you like thanksgiving,christmas, don't let her pray
over the food because it's goget cold, you know, and.
But she would always come tochurch and be like turned up,
though, like her preaching wasturned up, like it was just fire
, but we was always, when shecame to preach, we knew we was

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going to be in church untilabout 4, like start at 12, be
there about 4, 5, and then she'dbe like man, they'd be doing a
benediction, they'd be like man,do you want to pray?
Be like everybody, be like, belike be trying to like.
No, don't let her pray becausewe'll be here another hour Like
it was crazy though, man, butthat's a good thing though, man,

(05:18):
and I've seen some of her, someof your videos, and listen to
some of your videos and your andlisten to some of your
preachers too, bro, like, andyou know you definitely like hit
, be hitting them, definitely begiving them what they need,
like giving the sheep what theyneed and not you know.
And that's a good thing that wewe have brothers that that's
knowledgeable out here to youknow and verse them and, in the

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old and the new testament, to beable to share with the flock.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
so yeah, so how long you been preaching, bro so I
well, officially, likeofficially licensed and
everything, I would say a yearnow, a little over a year and a
half I guess now, um, but youknow, when you have a calling,
bro, right, you are living inyour calling long before you

(06:04):
actually maybe start officiallydoing it.
So on some levels I've beendoing it a long time Right
Opposed to just a bunch ofdifferent aspects and thought.
And so I kind of left thechurch for quite a while and
started, uh, started exploringinto other things that you know,

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most people would see as beingpagan, um, and I learned how to
learn from those schools youknow, um, they, they taught me
how to do etymology, right, howto look behind the words, uh, to
comprehend the originallanguages, how to apply it to

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the text, even though they weretwisting the text, you know so
much.
And so most high managers, oneday, at a meeting, speaking to
me, while I was speaking to theperson who was and let me know,
this dude was like an antichristtype, and that, and let me know
, this dude was like anantichrist type, you know.

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And then I questioned becausehe didn't want to have to hit
the truth.
So from that day forth, man, Istarted my journey back into
bibliography and just trying tolearn and understand and
comprehend.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Bro Right, most eyes just done a bunch with that man
ever since and it and it shows,bro, because, like it, hey,
y'all it, like me and thebrother that has some some, some
deep debates and you know, whenwe debate, it's like all love
at the end, like it's all lovethrough it as respect to
everything like, and it'd bebeautiful, but it'd be like

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sometimes he'd be, he'd besharing some stuff and I'd be
like, hold on that, that.
That do make sense, like, eventhough I don't believe it, like
I like he'd be almost turning mebro, like I ain't gonna lie,
but like, hey, man, that do makesense.
I didn't look at it like that,like, but it takes a humble
heart and an objective mind toreally you know what I'm saying

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Like, okay, I see where you'recoming from.
I might not believe it, but Isee where you're coming from and
I love you for that.
Love you for you being you andstanding on what you stand on.
You know what I'm saying,because not too many brothers
out there stand on business.
You know what I'm saying and,and I can't say you, one of
those brothers that really dostand on busyness, like, when

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they come down to it, it's like,yeah, fuck, what you talking
about, this is what it is Likeyou know what I'm saying and
that's how I need to be morewith us.
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Right, yeah, well, I'm a big believer that
scripture explains itself and wewill take the time to dig
through the scripture and reallyread it, and not read it from
the perspective of our previousunderstanding, but allow it to
speak to us in the moment,because it's alive, the Bible is
alive, the Torah is alive, theGospels are alive and they're

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there to give us life.
So if you're willing to open itup and to read it and encompass
the historical value and all ofthose other things, we'll see
what's there, because it's allthere, right, of course I put it
there because you don't want tosee it, right?
It's all there, man.
We just got to study theScriptures, not necessarily

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yield so much to what we'rebeing taught all of the time.
Yeah, yeah, um, because we knowthat there are heretics out
here who are teaching all kindsof stuff that sound good to the
ear.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, don't line up with scripture don't line up and
they don't line up historicallyeither right and and when it.
When you can't connect the dots, like that man, I just I really
can't respect your teaching.
You know, I'm saying I I realdeal, like because if we, if we
say that you know that historichistory has has an effect or has

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a predetermined effect on thefuture and what had what's going
on now, that why not respect itand and and and really you know
, value it as as such, but a lotof brothers don't.
So you know it is what it is.
So when did you, when did youknow, like the first time you

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knew, like, yeah, I was calledlike the most, I.
The first time you knew like,yeah, I was called like the most
, I called me the.
The priestess word, teach theword.
Like when was it and what wasthe exact moment?
Like what was going on at thatmoment?
I think?

Speaker 2 (10:32):
I think I've known for a few years, for sure, you
know, um, I had approachedseveral pastors that I sat under
and served under, and they werenot as eager, I will say, to
deal with it or whatever thereason, and I don't necessarily
blame them Right, um, I thinkeverything is about God's time.

(10:53):
Yeah, god's time, yeah Withthings, and so things have to be
right in his time.
But if I'm pushing, um, I thinkmy lifestyle and how I was
living was a deterrent as well,because I didn't have my things
together and I still don't beingtransparent.
I'm still learning, I'm stillgrowing, I'm still maturing, I'm

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still making very youthfulmistakes in some areas, but
that's a part of the process.
The Bible uses the word, ittalks about healing, and
whenever we see the word healing, especially in the New
Testament, the Greek word forthat is therapeutos, and that's

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where we get the concept oftherapy from, and so in English
we use therapy, and so we any ofus who've ever been to any kind
of physical therapy you knowthat it's a process that you
start small and that each weekor day that you take it, there's
a slight increase of ability inorder to gain some sense of
strength and grow back into someformality.

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So this walk that we're doing interms of getting to know our
creator and to be shaped moreinto his image in terms of
character and behavior, is aprocess, and some of the old
folks used to say it's hard butit's fair right.
But I think that we learn realheavily from our mistakes and

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our pain.
So, um, so I've had to gothrough some pain, make some
mistakes, have some falls outand learn to get back up and
understand that it's about how Ideal with it from this point,
you know, right, in order to getthere, right?
So I'm just on the journey, man, I I'm a student.
I'm a student of everythingthat I put my hands on Music,

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the Bible, students are the mosthigh.
I'm just a complete student,even though I may act in a
teacher's role.
For me that means I should be abigger student.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Hey, like the oldie say, the day that you stop
learning is the day you stopliving, you know?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
sir, yeah, anything that ain't growing is dying.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, it might be dead, all right man, right,
thank you for the correction,bro.
Yeah, all praises.
So when did you start makingmusic like?
When was your like your yourpassion, like your pad?
When did it kick in music Like?
When was your passion Like?
When did it kick in Like?

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I know that you know you'veprobably been making music for a
long time, especially when youwas younger.
But, like, when you was younger, like, what was the thing that
like motivates you to like makeyour first track or sing your
first vocal?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
or sing your first vocal.
Well, man, I was engulfed in anenvironment of being completely
engulfed On both sides of myfamily was music, got
musicianship and vocalists,every dynamic of my family no
kidding, Like I won't get intomentioning no names, and all
that on the spot.

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I got pictures of me on thedrum sets, you know, after

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church or something like that,at three years old, and I did
that in church for a long time.
By the time I made it to highschool I was in a different
stage and so I was kind offighting with the attraction to
the streets and music education.
So I didn't take my music, so Ididn't take my music education
seriously, right, but production, production wise.

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Then I started actually hittingit real hard.
Just before COVID, like justbefore COVID, I started hitting
production pieces, okay, andthrough the COVID period I had
more time to be able to dedicateto that.
I started doing stuff onClubhouse and just all kinds of

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little places, man, to get myfeet wet, right, you know.
And so one of my unclesintroduced me to Tina MK3, and
then the Lord blessed me withbeing able to meet somebody who
had kind of learned to master it.
So I spent time with them maybe.
Maybe about two weeks or soevery day for a couple hours,

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right, um, and then, man, it wasjust on and popping after that,
things that didn't make sensebefore made a lot of sense, yeah
, and so, um, you know, still onthe journey with that too, and
I haven't haven't yet releasedany music.
Um, I'm waiting on a release.
You know from the most how todo that.
Um, being urged by my lovedones and friends to come and get

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it done and do it.
I think I'm making it a littlemore complicated than what it
has to be.
So, yeah, I think I'm making itmore complicated than what it
has to be, because a lot of thethings that I hear in the
marketplace is very simplisticand kind of I don't know
mediocre in terms of what I seeas musicianship, but they're

(16:20):
growing up Right.
So I think I might be making it, yeah, maybe growing up right.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
So I think I might be making yeah, maybe, but the
thing of it is is that you knowwe, like we say we are our own
uh worst enemy and uh, worstcritic too.
So you know, I know, I know youprobably don't criticize a lot
of your stuff but, like,sometimes it's about timing.
You know I'm saying it's aboutjust putting it out at the right
time, the right moment and just, you know, giving the world

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what it needs when it needs it.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Well, and I think for me it's not.
The musicianship piece is notas important to me as the
message piece.
So my prayer is that the Lordwill allow me to be cunning and
be able to give people theessence of Scripture, the
interpretation of Scripture,without them necessarily knowing

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that that's what they'regetting.
And so that means that I haveto be ministered to in that way
first before I can minister outthat way.
Right, right, I get it, I getit.
I get it, yeah, yeah, becausefor me the music is about the
message.
More you know the tones and thevibrations is what's going to
set the atmosphere, but thewords that are spoken to them is

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what's going to give them life,break chains free and deliver
folks from the frame of mindthat they have.
Because a lot of folks believebehavior is all it is.
Behavior is only one division.
A man can be incarcerated,change his behavior long enough
to get out, then get out, andbecause his spirit has not been
changed and our minds are areflection of our spirit, then

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we're going to go back into oldbehavior Real quick.
So you know, I want to push themessage.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yeah, you're doing that, bro, You're definitely
doing that, like y'alldefinitely tapping in with what
he's doing, man and his ministry.
Tell them where they can findy'all ministry, like, do y'all
have a YouTube page?
Anything like that?
You know what?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
We're not doing a lot of youtube stuff at the moment,
um, because we believe that itcreates a convenient, uh,
adversarial to what we're tryingto accomplish, okay and so, um,
you know, so every once in awhile there'll be some places.
My pastor does do, uh, a weeklymessage on facebook, so that's
salemary Baptist Church, dayton,ohio, and you can check him out

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.
It's usually about 15 minutesat its best.
He does that every week andwhen the Lord allows me to stand
, I try to remember to go onFacebook Live.
I just did something lastSunday, so there's something on
there in reference to that.
Yeah, so tap in with us, man,love to see you.

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All we want to do is love onyou, man, and pass the word
along.
That's it.
Don't want your money, notconcerned about your money, all
of that kind of stuff.
God, don't need your money ineither way.
Speak really.
So, yeah, yeah, there's nomoney in heaven.
No money in heaven, guys.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
He said God don't want your money, and neither do
we.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
No, not really, Because the money piece is
designed so that there are.
You know, he said bring you allthe ties to the storehouse that
you need in my house, right,and so the money is to take care
of the business, so that we canmeet the needs of the church
and we can meet the needs of thepeople in some way.
Right?

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So if we got a saint, that'spoor, you know, and not to
highlight nobody or make themfeel bad about that, because we
all go through financial wellwith all right, but you know, if
there's nothing there, then wecan't give anybody anything,
can't be of no assistance orhelp to nobody.
So we're not around theretrying to make a check, is all

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I'm trying to suggest.
You give unto the Lord as hesees right and as your heart
compels you to do so, but you'renot giving that money to us,
you're giving that to the Lordand he's allowing us to be the
storehouse for it so we can useit for what it is.
Right, right, okay.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
And that's what it's for like to build up the
community and to help the sickand the shut-in the help the
sick and the shut in the widowsand the fatherless.
You know, and that's a goodthing that y'all doing it.
For that, Y'all using it, forthat I commend y'all, because
not a lot of and I just got tobe real not a lot of Christian

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churches do that, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Not a lot of Hebrew.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Israelite classes and churches do that too.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's a sticky subject , man.
I think it's important man toknow that there is two divisions
of what's being taughtbiblically in terms of what we
see in the Bible.
You see, the religious leadersthey taught one thing and lived
another back then.
And so you know, religiousleaders, they taught one thing
and lived another Right.
And so you know there's adifference between the biblical

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view and the Talmudic view ofhow things are supposed to go,
the Pharisaical view of whatthings were.
And so that's what made Yahshuaan adversary to those cats,
because he wasn't trying tofollow their traditions, he was
trying to do Torah.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Right and that, and, at the end of the day, that's
that's what that's where we atwith it.
I get it, definitely get it.
We, uh, we have to.
We have to understand that, youknow, within life and within
the confounds of the mosthighest love, you know.

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Before I touch on that, I wantto touch on something that we
talked about a couple of littlewhile the last time we had a
conversation I want to touch onthis and I was like uh, and I
was like man, yeah, you know, weshould fear the most hottest
and this and that.
And he was like why, it's likeyou know, we, we, you don't

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think, I don't think that weshould, it should be a whole big
fear piece.
I think that you know that youshould fear the, the, the, the.
If you doing something bad,fear, if, if you, if you need
their repentance, but if yougood and you getting the good
graces of the most high, then itshould be nothing but love.
You should feel and love backand that really like it.

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It stuck with me and I had toreally like meditate on that for
a little while, bro, like Ireally did.
And, uh, I, I gotta say that atthat, at that point.
At that time I did not.
I'm just gonna be real, I'm Idid not agree with you like I
did, but after I meditated on it, I'm like, damn, that make a

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lot of sense and and it has toand sometimes we have to just
like take ourselves out ofourselves.
It wasn't nothing about mypride or my ego, it just like I
just seen it a different way,like, but you know, when I, when
I sat back from theconversation, I was like you
know what that do make a lot ofsense, like, if you ain't did

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nothing wrong, then why are you?
You know, why are you feelingsome type of way?
You know, why are you?
Why are you fear?
I?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
think.
I think that we think of fearas in scared, and he doesn't
want us to be afraid of him.
He's trying to, all through theBible, from Genesis to
Revelations, he was trying tooffer us his love right.
Right, he was trying to offerus his love right and so, and we

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see that expression of thatlove starting from Genesis all
the way to Revelations.
Now, does that mean that peopledidn't pay penalties for things
that they did?
No, because just like human lawis kind of mirrored after Most
High's law, so there's a penalty.
The wages of sin is death.

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But that being said, fear alsomeans reverence, so you have a
reverential kind of fear for theMost High.
There's somewhere in scripture Ithink it might be in Matthew or
Luke, but it talks about how wefeared our fathers on earth.

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In a certain manner, we had areverence for them in a certain
kind of way.
All the more we should havethat kind of reverence for our
father in heaven.
I mean he's, he's our father,and so he has our care and our
concern, our protection in mindat all times.
That's the case.

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That's the case.
And no, I just don't believe,because if our aim is to please
him, there's nothing to beafraid about.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Right, right, right.
And that's what made me reallyreconsider what I was thinking,
because, like you, just, youknow, said I don't even want to
have to expound, even try tobreak down, because you gave the
proper and it was a properdefinition and breakdown of it.
But yeah, that's the biggestreason why.

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I was like you know what?
Yeah, he right, like cause I'mlike man we supposed to, but see
, and I'm going to be real y'allLike that's what you know, that
that camp, class doctrine, whenyou in these classes and these
camps, for so long, you know youstart to, you start to adapt,
you know what was taught to youwithout you know really

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questioning, you think youquestion it and you think that
you know, just because you canask questions in the class and
and and make comments that thatthat you've not been
indoctrinated but you are In away, but we'll get to that.
That's a different conversationdown the road.
Y'all you know, y'all can hateme for that conversation, a

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couple episodes down from now,but not now, not now, because
the way I look at it, man, I'mtelling you, bro, like it's ugly
man, the way that things aregoing right now and they're not
like how I was when I first cameand first really woke up.

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But you know it is what it is.
But so what were some of yourbiggest inspirations in that
like, as far as musically?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
some of your biggest inspirations in the like.
As far as musically right, well, musically, man, I was blessed,
right, since everybody wasmusical in my household, right,
right, uh, but everybody had adifferent musical taste.
I was able to listen to all oftheir music, you know, from my
grandparents.
It was like, oh, my parents andmy aunts and uncles,

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everybody's song.
So riding to church, harmonizing, writing from church, we were
harmonizing, oh, and it was likeentrenched in the music
industry, and so I, just, man, Iwas just like in the atmosphere
of music, like literallysitting in rehearsals watching

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people break these songs downand be able to teach the songs
adequately and taking anarrangement that they heard
somewhere else and making ittheir own and that being better
than the original, and stufflike that.
Just those were my, my, myinspirations and my pops had

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friends that now are veryprolific people in music, but
those are his friends, his highschool friends, and they would
come by the house and pick up aninstrument and play, and I was
able to play the drums alongwith them.
So, just being challenged,music was all over the place,
every aspect.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Right, that's what's up, man.
That's what's up, man.
And usually you know what theysay about children that grow up
and grow and throughout, liketheir teenage, their adolescent,
teenage years, even up toadulthood sometimes that if they

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are, they are more likely tosucceed if they play musical
instruments.
And I and I looked at cause youknow I love stats and all that
and looking at statistic, youknow this, numbers and on on
data and stuff like that, and Ilooked at it, man, and it was,

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it was a good percentile.
It was over 50% of the childrenthat they tested and that they
observed and did this study onthat, you know, actually were
very, very productive in lifeand very successful and they
played even the most minusculeyou know instrument, like you

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know, and they stuck with itLike because it takes a certain
type of discipline to you knowto play an instrument and
practice and practice, becauseain't nobody like after your
teacher stopped teaching youcome from school or wherever you
practice, it's up to you tohave to you know what I'm saying
To be as good as you want to beat it Like.
So it takes a level of devotionand and and and and and drive

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and focus to really play aninstrument.
So I think that's why thosepeople are more likely to you
know, succeed in higher, higherrates of life, higher rates of
life, higher rates of, in higherrates in life.
My bad, I was saying it right,but not right?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, you know, statistically, what they say is
that children who play aninstrument or are in kind of
vocal chorale, the years thatthey do it, they increase one
letter grade in every aspect oftheir understanding.
So you know, everything in theworld has a sound.

(31:03):
That's how I created the world,based upon his voice, with his
tones and vibrations, right?
So everything has a sound, eventhe grass.
We can't necessarily hear thevibration of the grass or the
tree, but it has one because itexists, right, and so I think we

(31:23):
take that for granted sometimesin this world, how a father can
get loud with his child and howit creates a disharmony and a
dissonance on the side of thatchild, enough to make them sit
down or sometimes even cry.
The power of sound is somethingelse, because the Bible says

(31:48):
that life and death is in thepower of the tongue, and that's
sound, right?

Speaker 1 (31:54):
yeah, no, sound is a thing, man, more than what we
know, than we give credit forand it definitely like
everything has like, yeah, likeyou said, everything that has,
that has breath, even the thingsthat don't have breath, have a
phonetic sound to them.
So yeah, I definitely agreewith you on that.

(32:16):
I was looking at Nat Geo oneday and they were showing like
how they had this machine andit's a new science.
I forgot the name of it y'all,so don't quote me on it, but
y'all can go Google it and ify'all want to fact check me, but
it was, it's a new science andit's not new, but it's newish,

(32:40):
but it's a newish science thatthey like they, they are using
sound to create things.
So when they had to, and the waythat they were like testing,
doing the test trials, they werelike, okay, so they put, put
something.
You know how they like put thesound of the speaker around the

(33:02):
water and it does a little swirland all that stuff like that
boom.
But they took it even further.
So they was like, man, we aboutto do the letters of different
languages of their alphabetsfurther.
So they was like man, we aboutto do the letters of different
uh languages of their alphabets,right.
So they like all, right, we did,they did finish, they did uh,
spanish they did, and some ofthem made little noises and
stuff like that, but it was onlyuntil they put the olive of the

(33:26):
hebrew language.
They put it up and this machinestarted like it was like a
polygraph machine and it startedmaking like the little little
sounds and stuff like that andit actually drew the olive on
the paper, like once they put itup and it was.
It was crazy, bro.
I'm just looking like, so I getit.

(33:49):
Yeah, they man and they alwaystalking about some big bang, but
the big bang was him justsaying let there be light.
Yeah, Sam.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Well, you know man.
You know how humans are.
It's an appropriate image thatwe are made Appropriate,
misappropriate imagery that weare making appropriate.
So what they're looking for inscience, man, is what they
consider God intelligent, andthey're not far from reaching

(34:23):
their goal in that Stuff likethat Right that can calculate at
just such high volume that itcan answer a lot of the
questions they have been unableto answer.
Now we know that nothing thatcan be created can have an
intellect, wisdom, knowledge andunderstanding.

(34:47):
I hear you, because it all camefrom you, but that's what
they're striving for.
Right, because it all came fromme, but that's what they're
striving for, right and so.
But you know, they're sowanting to go beyond where we
are before where we are.
We want to go before this, andthere was a problem going on

(35:09):
before this.
Why would we want to go there?
I just don't get it.
I never understood that.
Why you want to go back towhere there were more problems,
most high.
Why not figure out what to fix?
Because now you don't have togo to no rich.

(35:30):
Why not figure out what to fix?
Because now you don't have togo to no Richard.
Go straight to the most high,everything.
And so why do you want themiddleman, why do you want the
anonac?
Why do you want all that andwhy do you want the inerrant?
Because the most high is right.

(35:55):
So what is wrong?
Man?
Yeah, and I'm saying thatloosely because it's never wrong
, right, but you know, butthat's so much more sight Right
Because it ends there.
So it's the end game.
Those are the end games.
It really interprets it, itfinishes it Right For the start

(36:21):
and so we see it play out intime.
So you can't play chess with thechess master Mm, not for real.
The chess master, yeah, not forfree.
Yeah, there's a picture overinside of uh brother was going

(36:41):
through and it came over andit's God and the devil playing
chess.
No, it says checkmate.
That's what it says, checkmate.
And so this guy was walkingthrough the store and he stopped
and kept looking at this boyand he's a chess master and man,

(37:04):
this thing is wrong.
They said what do you mean?
It's wrong.
I'm a chess master.
I'm telling you it's wrong.
It says checkmate.
But in actuality, god still hasone move, like he really still
has one move.
So God has already completedall of this.
He has to walk and what mostpeople feel like.

(37:28):
Yeah, we've gotten so, somechanical and so technical and
now we look at ourselves asavatars and don't even realize
that most high is and home Right.

(37:52):
There's nothing else to thatdon't even realize.
And most high is and home here,right there's nothing else to
say if you don't like.
You know.
People give a lot of credit toSatan, but dude is a dog on the.
He a dog on the.
He has a reputation notomnipresent, he's not omniscient
.
He has to work through theBible, so he has to walk through

(38:18):
people who have not come to thelight.
That's how he worked.
Has to come and go.
You know what I'm talking about.
Has to come and go.
You know what I'm talking about.
Gotta move around.
So that means he haslimitations In that he has to

(38:41):
move around.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Right, right, right.
The best example of that y'allis when y'all look at the book
of Job, first couple chapters.
Those hathos asked him, satan,where you been at?
He said I've been up and downto and fro, yeah, bro, okay,
okay, he couldn't really donothing.
After they made the let's justcall it a bet for right now.

(39:10):
After they made the let's justcall it a bet for right now.
After they made the bet, satan,it was limitations on it.
Like Mosiah told Satan you cando everything you want to, but
you can't take his life, bro,like, and it's a reason why he
did that.
Because, see, and this is whywe can also double understand

(39:32):
that the Mosiah ain't no liarand what he said come out of his
mouth, don't come back void.
He said you can't take his life.
And when we look in the book ofIsaiah, he say I'm the life
giver, I'm the life bringer.
So yeah, so yeah.
You can't do what I do, satan,because you, not me, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Satan is an imposter.
He has a kingdom.
He's the king of his kingdom.
However, his kingdom ismirrored after the most highest
kingdom, which means that he'sreally trying to imitate.
Trying to imitate and he knowsso foolish, he's a reprobate.
The you know, trying to imitateand he knows so foolish he's a
reprobate.
The Bible describes it as areprobate, really, because he

(40:17):
can no longer do things that aregood.
There is no good in him, right,he can distort things that look
like they're good.
So he has folks coming into theindustry promising them all of
this other stuff.
They signed on the dotted lineand they're trying to give away
something they didn't evenpurchase.

(40:38):
Mm-hmm, you know what I'msaying.
They're giving away somethingthat don't even really belong to
them.
We don't hold ownership overour soul.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
At all.
You know what I mean ownershipover our soul.
Right At all.
You know what I mean.
But yet, and still, we have theright, given us the free will,
to be able to choose between himand ourselves, more than
anything else.
Right, there ain't but threetricks.
Satan got in the first place man, lust of the flesh, lust of the
eye and the pride of life.
And so he hits us from thosethree angles in variation, plus

(41:11):
to the eye and the pride of life, and so he hits us from those
three angles in variationsthroughout the course of our
lives.
Try to keep us from not havinga hope in the most high and not
having a belief andunderstanding that things can
change, serve the most high andour whole lives change.
The time be redeemed, ourgenerations be redeemed, our
relationship with him berestored, like, yeah, that's all
he got.
Yeah, our generations beredeemed, our relationship with

(41:31):
him be restored like, yeah,that's all he got, and that is a
lot.
That is a lot, but it's notenough to separate us from the
most high yeah, it never will be.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
You're right and that's the beautiful thing about
it that you know Satan canstill have all that, but the
most high still got more, canstill have all that.
The most high still got moreand we the children of the most
high.
So, you know, as long as wedoing what we supposed to be
doing out here, we covered, andthat's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
I'll praise him and all the most high has for us to
try, and if we're willing to try, then he's willing to be there
with us and to expose himself tous and to expose himself to us
so that we can see more andunderstand more.
And no father wants their childto suffer.

(42:22):
We don't want them to suffer.
We try to tell them things tokeep them from putting their
foot in the holes that wepersonally have been in, and so
all the more the most high isthe grandfather keep them from
putting their foot in the holesthat we personally have been in,
you know, and so all the morethe most high is the grandfather
.
You know the grandfather, andso you know he don't want to see
us suffer.
He don't want to see us withouthim and things that he wants us

(42:46):
to have.
But it's not about prosperityon this side of the earth either
.
You know what I mean, and Ithink that's the thing that's
emblematical that we get fromthe relationship we see with the
children of Israel and the mosthigh.
It wasn't really about riches.
They were in the wilderness.
He gave them manna, fresh everyday, you know enough for that

(43:10):
day and then when they neededwater, he brought water out of a
place that doesn't have waterin it.
You know, yeah, he brought itfrom some.
So he's the master of makingsomething out of nothing.
Out of nothing, using a few todo a lot.
Man, you know, to be able toshow his power so that no human

(43:33):
being can be able to reallyboast about it.
Right, you know, folks, man, bepatting themselves on the back
about the gifts that they'vebeen given.
Man, no, bro, the most highgave me.
The gift of music is his, it'shis, and so I feel like I should
use it for him more than I doanything else.
You know what I mean and I takeno credit for whatever you or

(43:57):
anyone else may call greatnessin my ability, because those are
abilities that he gave me Right, and when I leave here they're
going back Right, going back tohim Right.
So you know I don't get intothat patting myself on the back
thing about that man.
I'm grateful for having anopportunity to regain what I

(44:18):
feel like I may have lost, beingable to use it, being able to
live out some of my dreams, youknow, from the musical aspect.
But that's all.
Praise is due to him.
He saw fit to do that.
I had nothing to do with it.
For real, yeah, hey and that'sthat's.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
That's a humble man speaking.
Speaking from humbleness, and,as you know, one thing that I
understand about humbleness ittake a while, it take years.
I people just don't wake up andyou don't come into the truth
and just be humble, like becausethe most high, every time you
say we something, the most highalways test that ass, like, oh
you humble, huh, yeah, send oneof your brothers at you on some

(44:59):
old bullshit, like let's see howhumble you is, let's see how
humble you are, deal with him,deal with this sister.
See how humble you is?

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, deal with this deal with you losing your job.
If we're living our lives,though, if we're living our
lives on this relationship, thenit's hard.
It's hard if you're reallykeeping the relationship back.
It's hard to get besideyourself.
Yeah, because if you're doingit to make your daddy proud,

(45:26):
yeah, if you're doing it to makeyour daddy smile yeah, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
But sometimes we slip , bro, like, and in that moment
of slip and it's like, okay, wehave to, we have to understand
that that could be us not beingon that that humbleness, because
even even with our earthly, ourearthly mothers and fathers, we
test the waters and we mighteven do things even when we get
older.
And we might even do thingseven when we get older, like you

(45:51):
know, that we don't, that weknow is questionable to them,
and we do it and not let themknow type of thing, like but you
can't, you can't have that awayfrom the most high, you know,
like you know.
But I get what you're saying,though Definitely, I definitely
get what you're saying.
So, what you said, you usethose family been pushing you to
put a project out.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
So what, what you got , what you got in store for us,
bro, because I've been, I'vebeen waiting like to really hear
what you had and what's what'sbeen going on over there well,
man, my focus has really, really, really finished for the music
and, and though music is a partof my ministry, man, I think
that there's just a time seasonthat's going to come when it's

(46:35):
necessary.
I'm working on it.
I stopped talking about it andjust been planning and trying to
pull things together so that itcan get done, man.
But I got some stuff in store.
I really do.
I got some stuff in store.
I really do.
I got some stuff in store.
I think, musically it'll be,people will be able to get in

(46:57):
with it.
And message-wise, man, like Isaid, trying to get them the
pure essence and interpretationof Scripture.
You know what I'm saying, andnot necessarily let them know
that's what they're getting.
So later, you know what I mean,from where, down the line,

(47:18):
it'll hit them in their spiritthat something has changed
because they listened to you.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
And that's what it's about.
That's definitely what it'sabout Changing the minds of
those that want to be changed,and not necessarily trying to
change somebody, but changingthe ones that want to change.
You know what I'm saying,because we can.
We can push the message andforce it all day, but if
somebody don't want to take it,they ain't go take it, and

(47:45):
that's just going to be what itis like.
You know what I'm saying, so Iknow most, most people.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
I think most people are looking for change.
Yeah, not everybody, yeah, yeah.
And the reason why I say thatis because some of these
brothers and sisters now fall inthe category of a repudiation.
Yeah, the Lord has taken hishand off of them and allowed the
decisions that they've made,decisions that they've made them

(48:12):
to now have everything thatthey asked for on this side, get
all they reward on this sideand then, you know, be separated
from him on the opposite sideof all of it.
Uh, but there are many morepeople.
Bible says man.
All this is going to go onuntil the number of the gentiles
is met, number of the gentiles,and so that's not something
that we can really track ortrace, because that's happening

(48:34):
internationally.
People every day are coming tothe knowledge of the Most High
at different days and times andmoments.
So, you know, it's important, Ithink, for us to take it serious
, like in this, about everythingthat we do and stop trying to
get worldly riches so much.

(48:55):
Stop trying to chase the trendsand all of those things,
because those things aredesigned to be a distraction to
us.
They're not feeding us properly.
Tv shows are not feeding usproperly.
Songs that are on the radio arenot feeding us properly.
Not even the food that they'regiving us is feeding us properly
, and so are on the radio arenot feeding us properly.
Not even the food that they'regiving us is feeding us properly
, and so we need the bread oflife in order to be able to make

(49:17):
it.
You know what I'm saying,because we're looking at changes
that are happening veryconsistently and yet
sporadically in different placesof the world, that are moving
us towards this end-time peace,yeah go ahead.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
No, go ahead, bro, go ahead.
I was about to change thesubject, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I was just saying that time is winding up, man,
and because we're not seeing ithappen full-fledged on an
international level, people arenot acknowledging it, but it's
happening, happening in front ofus right now, and there's going
to come a day when the Bible isnot going to even be something
we'll be able to really touch.
So if you haven't swallowed itand it's not in your heart,
maybe at a vulnerable place,right, yeah, yeah, you may be in

(50:02):
a real vulnerable place becauseyou might not have anything to
pull from.
That's the Lord.
Provide a way for you to get amessage.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
I was about to ask you is Lord provide a way for
you to get a message?
I was about to ask you this ishow do you feel about this whole
Israel, gaza, israel, iran, uh,china, and and and and Russia
and Ukraine?
How do you feel about all this?
Like, all that is going on overthere Right, and a lot of our

(50:30):
people are like, are like Ican't say that.
They are like even in the midstof it, like, because I know a
lot of brothers and sistersthat's over in that land that
that, that, that area, that'slike not nowhere near where they
fighting, at Like.
So that's that's our praise tothe most high, thank you for his
, his, that's all praise to theMost High, thanking for his

(50:53):
mercy and his grace to keep themsafe from in this wartime.
But how do you feel about allthis going on?
What do you think it is?
Do you think it's end timeprophecy?
Do you think that you know it'svery prophetic.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
OK, it's very prophetic.
I think if we will take thetime to study the book of Daniel
thoroughly, take the time tostudy the book of Daniel
thoroughly, we can now look atthe emblems that were given and
be able to directly attach thoseemblems to the countries that
are involved.
Because, like, for instanceI'll use one in particular
there's a country that all oftheir army stuff is leper, all

(51:30):
leper, everything their planesare covered in leper skin, like
you know, looking like leper,all leper, everything their
planes are covered in leper skin, like you know, looking like
leper.
Right, it takes lepers.
Well, we can go in Scripture,see what Scripture says about
them and then identify thecountry by that.
Hmm, that's, that's how solidthe scripture is and how
foolproof it is, and so we cansee which nations are

(51:56):
participating in what.
I do think it's, in time,prophetic.
I think that it's important,though, that people understand
that there is a difference fromthe biblical Israel and the
Israel that we see now.
There's a very big difference,because the Israel that we see
now is a secular society that'snot built off of a theocracy at

(52:19):
all.
Right, and the biblical Israelis the one that was a theocracy
that was allowed to have a king,but indeed the most high is
their king.
He's the apple of, they're theapple of his eye.
And so you know, the devilwants to imposter everything.

(52:44):
He wants to change times, dates, seasons, places, people,
things you know, to keep us offof the path.
I think the other thing is andwe have a big problem with
worrying about the wrong, hmm,you'd be worried about my own
the demo from the damn affectedthat the hand clap effect.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
My bad y'all yes.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
I truly.
And so if, if we put our focuson really getting to know the
most high in our day-to-daylives, we would see a whole lot
of stuff.
Things would become clear.
But because we're lookingthrough our, through the vehicle
of our own glasses, or thenarrative of the world, then
we're not seeing things as theyreally are, right.

(53:29):
But when you look through theBible, I like to say that you're
looking through the glasses ofGod.
You know what I mean, right,and you're able to see what is
going to happen.
Now will we know everything?
No, because it ain't necessary.
We don't need to knoweverything.
All we need to know is whatwe're responsible for.
What he says is going to happen, what he says about us and what

(53:51):
he says about himself Yep,that's it You'd be worried about
the wrong things.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Black folks, yeah, the wrong things.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Yeah, it's just the wrong.
Wrong things, man, and I get it.
You know, this society haspushed this for so long, you
know?
Uh, I think of it like this weI was born in 1978, right.
When I came here, things werealready established, right, and
so all that I could do wasfollow the pattern that was kind
of put in front of me, right?

(54:22):
Bible says we're born into sinand shaped into a nickel, where
iniquity is seen also, and sowe're born into the environment
of sin and we're shaped in theiniquity in that environment,
right, and so the only way wecan break free from that is by
having a connection with theMost High, you know, and without
it we're subject to do anything.

(54:44):
Look at all the stuff thesebrothers and sisters are doing.
You got sons killing mothersand then another son coming to
kill the other son, right.
We got mothers leaving theirkids at home for years, leaving
them home for years, justwalking out the door and leaving
them there.
Like what kind of foolishness?
Crazy.

(55:05):
These are things that areunconscionable, right.
I mean, man, there's no love,and that's what we need.
We need love, and God defineshimself as being loved, right,
so we need to implement him more.
It's the thing that we'll do,and we'll start seeing a whole
bunch of stuff just fall out.
You know what I mean?

(55:31):
Right, uh, they want to nothave to work.
I mean, I'm sorry, people,you're not going to be able to
get beyond it, because even abum that don't have a job has to
work for everything they get,right, you know?
Um, and so it's.
It's just, man, we gotta lineup.
If we line up, we can findfreedom, and I mean real freedom
.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Right, you know, we line up, we can find freedom,
and I mean real freedom.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Right, you know we don't have.
We don't have no freedom inthis country.
We have liberty, and liberty isis a issue thing that can be
taken back, mm, hmm, yeah, andthey own their way to doing it,
brothers and sisters.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
They own their way to take that liberty back.
Hmm, yeah, what y'all go do, mm, taking that liberty back?
Then what y'all?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
go do what y'all go do, then, yeah, it's going to
leave us, it's going to leavepeople in a position, man, you
know, because it's impossible toplease God without faith.
Yep, and though many peopledon't, you know, say they don't
have no faith in this or that,but you do.
You got faith in yourself mostof the time because you think
you can get up and make thebread to be able to get you out

(56:37):
of the hole.
Yeah, you know.
And the biggest, one of thebiggest things I've learned in
life is that money ain'teverything, but relationships
are, you know.
Relationships have gotten mestuff that I didn't have money
for, yeah, and neither did theperson that I had the

(56:57):
relationship with, but becausethey had a relationship with
somebody else, money wasn't evena factor.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah, money wasn't even a factor.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Right, yeah, yeah, man.
So you know it's all praise tothe Most High man.
You know it's all praise to themost high man.
Um, you know it's, it's, it'shere for us, man, if we want to
really grab it, man, but we haveto get outside of ourselves and
really get into the most highin order to see what it is that
he wants us to see.
Right, you know, many of us arewalking around with blinders on

(57:28):
and don't even realize that weonly are seeing an aspect of
things.
The Bible says that they have aform of godliness, but not
acknowledging the power thereof.
And so you know, I don't want aform of godliness.
I want to be able to bepleasing to the most high in
such a way to where he smiles onme, smiles on my generation,

(57:52):
you know, smiles on the peopleI'm connected to, as opposed to
the opposite.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Right, that's the meaning of life and that's what
we were created for.
I don't know what other Tobydid.
I asked her, like man, what wasthe meaning of life, and that's
what we were created for.
I don't know what other Tobydid.
I asked her, like man, what wasthe meaning of life?
Why was we created?
She said the third and mosthigh Dude what you talking about
.
She said it real calmly, likethe third and most high.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Well, he wanted to have her.
You think about it.
You look in that garden piecein the second and the third
chapters of Genesis, the mosthot came to Adam and Eve every
day, right In the cool of theday.
Yeah, he wanted that, yeah, hewanted that relationship.
And so that's the point of allof this is to eventually have us

(58:50):
restored back to the place thatAdam was in before the city.
That's why the Bible refers toJesus as being the second Adam,
you know and so?
And then, if you turn to theend of Revelations, it says that
we have the right to the treeof life all over again.
And so he wants to restore us,you know, and most people don't

(59:13):
feel like they need to berestored.
They don't feel like nothing iswrong with them.
They're always right.
They don't do nothing wrong,and they don't believe it until
there's consequence.
And even then, they may verywell blame something or someone
else all about it.
Very much like Adam did.
He blamed it on his wife, Ibelieve and this is just my

(59:35):
sanctified imagination, but Ibelieve that if Adam had
rejected that truth, that theMost High would have made him
another wife.
I believe that too, bro, shewould have been out of there.
She either would have been outof there or there would have
been a restoration that shecould have went through.
You know what I'm saying?

(59:55):
Or what have you that wouldhave changed mankind?
You know, but the most high,all his decisions, are perfect,
and so you know, I know peoplethat are angry with the most
high About all of that, like howyou gonna hold us accountable
For what this brother did?
There know, people that areangry with the Most High about
all of that, like how you goingto hold us accountable for what
this brother did?
There are women that are upsetwith Eve, like, oh, I can't wait

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to get to heaven, I'm going toslap her.
It's stupid stuff like that, youknow.
Yeah, like, come on, man, weare here when we are.
There has been a provision madeon our behalf and it's up to us
to seek it out, and the MostHigh is putting out His energy
to draw us into it.

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But if we continue to reject it, then we're going to miss the
boat.
Right, and that was the storyof Noah.
Right there, they missed theboat all them years, for
hundreds of years, noah waspreaching it's gonna rain.
They ain't never seen no rainbefore, never listened.
They like oh you talking aboutsomething that we ain't never

(01:01:01):
seen before and you say this isgonna happen.
What makes us believe you?
Because you was a drunk, right,you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Again, just a picture of what restoration look like
yup, I was about to say that youdon't ever know who the most
high using man listen that's whywe can't judge each other, bro,
because we don't know theprivate conversations that one
brother or sister is having withthe most high cause they

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supposed to be private.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Yeah, and we don't know where they are in the
process.
All we know is what we see, man, all you see, and our vision
isn't that clear in that way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
You know that's crazy .
Just think about it.
They like Noah man, like manNoah man.
Shut up man.
Nigga, you been drinking alllike you say he on that tequila.
He drinking whole day just likehow people be like man.
You tell them like man, youknow you ain't supposed to be
eating that pork.
Man, I been eating pork all mydamn life.
My grandma, that's how they didNoah nigga.

(01:02:08):
You been drinking all your damnlife.
What make us think that shitgonna happen?
You probably on some old drunkshit, nigga, whatever A hundred
years of that, though, man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Listen, brother, you know, I think we confuse the
difference between public andprivate.
We was talking about thatprayer earlier.
There's a difference between apublic prayer and a private
prayer.
Yeah, yeah, there's adifference in between what we
should ask for publicly and whatwe should ask for private.
You know, and and and.

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So there's a difference betweenour public life and our private
life.
You know, so to speak, um andso I think we can fuse two, and
many of us believe that we arethe standard for what is right
and wrong, and that's where wego wrong.
That's really where we go wrong, because we no longer see

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ourselves being in the process.
Folks be reading scriptures,like the 82nd chapter of Psalms,
and they see that Godreferenced beings being called
gods, and they assume that hewas talking about us.
No, he wasn't talking about us.

(01:03:24):
For those of you who think thathe said, because he said he was
judging them, we have not yetbeen judged because we're still
alive, and so he was talkingabout those who he chose to be
rulers in the earth, and because, if you look at the first and
second verse in that chapter,you'll see that he was talking

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about how they were oppressingthe people, that they were
putting yokes around their necks, you know, and whatnot.
And so those who are given acertain amount of governmental
power and rulership andauthority, they want worship.
They want to be worshiped asthe most high, as opposed to

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pointing people to the most high, and that's what that chapter
was really talking about.
You may live as gods, butyou're going to die as me, right
?
And then you see Jesus.
You know, in John come back tothat same conversation with the
scribes, the Pharisees and theSadducees.
And so it's foolish of us tothink that we're gods, seeing as

(01:04:32):
how Satan wanted to be aboveGod.
And that's what started allthis foolishness.
So you know, it's just man.
We just got to have someclarity, bro.
You know people are following.
They want to go back into a lotof ancestry mumbo jumbo.
I did it.
You know we, we don't know asmuch about our culture as we

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could or should, but that's,that's biblical.
It's biblical.
You go look at it.
But look at deuteronomy 28.
You will see it right there.
But the remedy is getting backinto the most high.
You know, moses sung a song tothem folk, and in that song it

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told us everything that wasgoing to happen and what the
remedy was.
We need to turn back now.
That's it.
Turn back.
Repentance is a physicalturning around, but it also is a
change of mind.
It's a change of perspective,and so many folks don't want to
change their mind.

(01:05:36):
They feel like what they'redoing is perfectly fine, even
though they suffer, and I thinkour people have that real bad
because we've been sodesensitized to suffering that
it doesn't allow for us toreceive the suffering as a piece
of change.
Circumstance may never change,but if you change in the midst
of a circumstance, theneverything is different, right?

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, so.
So how do you feel about?
How do you feel about, how doyou feel about all these these
brothers and sisters that'sgetting caught up in this Diddy
scandal?
And?
And didn't they say that he waslike they let him go or

(01:06:22):
something like that?
They released him or they foundhim not guilty, or they?
I don't know, I don't even befollowing, I just seen it like
on YouTube no, I think they juststarted deliberating.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
The jury just started deliberating.
That was over the last coupledays, the last thing I heard.
I'll say this man, if, if Satanhad enough, what's the word I
want to use?
If he had enough, what's theword I want to use?
If he had enough of an ego totempt the son of man with all of

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all of the worldly riches andso forth and so on, then he'll
do anybody that way.
And people want to have a goodlife, but they want good by the
standard that they were taughtby the world.
Right, not what the Most Highsays is good, because the Most

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High don't.
You know, he don't have noproblem with us being rich.
He allows Solomon to be rich.
He allowed Abraham to be rich,you know.
He allowed Job to be rich inhis time, you know, and have an
abundance, um.
But what we forget is that inorder to have those things and
maintain those things, it takesa certain kind of wisdom, you

(01:07:38):
know, and that wisdom is notjust necessarily, uh, something
that's given out to people whobelieve in the most high.
There are people who don'tbelieve in the most high at all,
that are rich, and so that'snot necessarily what he wants us
to have.
Bible says he'll supply all ourriches, you know, or he'll
supply all our needs accordingto his riches and glory, all our

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needs according to his richesand glory, because there's no
money in glory.
Everything that happens in theheavenlies is based upon him and
it's all based upon him.
And so if he is the rich thatwe need, he's the richest that
we need.
David said man, I've never seenI've been young and I've been

(01:08:23):
old but I've never seen.
I've been young and I've beenold, but I've never seen the
righteous Forsaken, nor his seedbegging.
And so we see that exampleThrough people like Daniel, you
know, who was willing to Notforsake what he knew he should
do In honoring the Lord, and hewas able to be prosperous, even
in a foreign land.
We see the same thing withJoseph.

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Joseph spent a little time inthe joint, but when he got out
he was second in command overall of Egypt, you know.
And so riches is not thedictate for being blessed.
It's not Money, earthly money.
Money is something that theLord allowed man to have and
manage.
But he don't need no money.

(01:09:06):
He spoke the world intoexistence, so he can speak
anything into being or not being, and so if we have him and a
relationship with him, then wecan have anything that he wants
us to have, right?
And I think we just we fail tosee the worth in that.

(01:09:29):
You know, they've showed us somany animated and imaginative
things throughout our lifetimethat now we find it hard to
believe, right, you knowSuperman, he-man, she-ra, you
know all those different kindsof things, and so we find it
imaginary.

(01:09:49):
But, man, we've never in ourlives seen something come from
nothing.
Nothing that we can ever touchcame from nothing, right?
So why do we think we came fromnothing?
That's a huge question I gotfor people, especially the
atheist people, you know, likethat's foolish.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Well, they'll try to science that away.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Well, yeah, and they will.
But even when I speak with them, I allow them to know that
science is the result ofsomething, and so you know.
Again, it just proves thatnothing can come from nothing.
Everything has to have a startpoint.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
And is this touching back on some of the things you
were just talking about?
Yeah, I do believe that you canonly amass that type of wealth
and fame from doing some wickedstuff.
You know what I'm saying andsomething satanic like you gotta

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like, because, think about it,like you said, joseph had to go
through something to rise to thelevel where he was at and it
was because the most high had totest that ass and see and he
had to pay a penance to.
But when you do, when you in arighteous manner and you doing

(01:11:20):
righteous things, like you see abrother's struggle, you see a
sister struggle and then you seethey update, they rising up,
you see they uprise with thesebrothers and stuff like that.
You don't see the struggle, youjust see the uprise.
And then you just see all thethings that they, they talk
about and they glorify and theymusic and they, they act in it
and all the things that they doand and and it's like, okay,

(01:11:46):
it's appeasing, but you likepeople be want to be rich and
famous and stuff like that.
But you don't know, like a lotof these brothers is giving up
their butthole and let's just bereal, like like they're giving
it up, like I'm saying they'regiving up their butthole and
they they love and let's just bereal they mouth too, and and,
and and and.
We've seen it, we've beenknowing it for years, but now

(01:12:08):
it's starting to be moreprevalent with this whole diddy
thing.
You know, I'm saying it's more.
It's starting to like, shedmore light, like, and it's like
people starting to come out andlike oh man, he was like, and
some of the some of the list islike man what.
Some of the list is like manwhat.
Because my thing is, if you wasat a Diddy party and you stayed
and you seen what was going onand you stayed, you participated

(01:12:31):
Pretty much.
So you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yeah, martin Luther King said, you know, if not
saying something about somethingthat's wrong is's participation
, pretty much, that's, you know,uh, just a breakdown of what he
said.
That's not exactly what he said, but, uh, you, you make
yourself culpable.
And so, um, it's crazy, man.

(01:12:57):
Um, the book of proverbs dealswith that kind of stuff.
I think probably within thefirst three or four chapters it
talks about a group of peoplethat are going to tell you, come
on, let's go and do all thisdevilishness and take all we can
Right, and that how we need tostay away from them.
You know, I was taught as ayoung man I don't have to steal

(01:13:18):
nothing.
I don't have to steal nothingIf I can't get it by ordinary
means, I probably don't need tohave it.
And so, um, there's another,another verse, I think, in the
book of john, where jesus talksabout, uh, him being the, the
door or the gate of the sheeppen, and he says, hey, if you go

(01:13:40):
, uh, any other way other thanthrough the gate, then you're a
thief and a robber.
And so, you know, we need to goto the most high for what we
have.
But the most high is is notwasteful.
And so he don't want to blessus with nothing that we're going
to waste, and so he wants us tobe able to be a blessing to the
world and to other people.

(01:14:00):
Blessing to the world and toother people and I mean a real
blessing, not, uh, cover upnecessarily, uh, uh, people's
indiscretions per se, but toreally be helpful.
An example I'll use is you know, sometimes people call and they
ask for money sometimes andit's because they've mismanaged
their finance and so they wantyou to pay their light bill
because, uh, because they didn'tdo right with their money,

(01:14:25):
right, you know, are you reallyhelping them?
No, the service.
Are you really helping them?
You know, because what a helpis them lights being off for a
month?
Yeah, and the struggle thatthey're gonna go through, you
know, with that.
Um, I think the other thing isthere's different kinds of
struggle.
The bible says after you havestruggled a little while, after

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you struggle a little while,then you'll be restored.
And so struggling for, in myopinion, struggling for the
cause of Christ is differentthan the struggle of of you
being whooped or chastised intosubmission.
Right, it's a difference.
There are some, some struggleswe go through that are trying to

(01:15:07):
promote us to come to the mosthigh, and then there are
struggles that we go through asa as a result of serving the
most high.
Yeah, and so there there aredifferences.
You know, to me, right, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
And it is a big difference, definitely so.
Do you feel like some of thethings that and I know that you
don't really vote or nothinglike that, or politics really
ain't your thing, but do youfeel like some of the excuse me
y'all?
Do y'all feel I done ate thesesalt vinegar chips, right, and

(01:15:43):
they just like the salt is justreally like getting to my lips,
my bad.
Y'all feel I don't eat thesesalt vinegar chips Right, and
they just like salt is justreally like get to my lips so
it's kind of messing me up.
But do y'all feel, do you feellike what the orange man, some
of the policies and things thatthe orange man is practicing and
pushing out, orange man ispracticing and pushing out Do

(01:16:03):
you think they are helpful tonot just the black people but
America, period?

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Well, I think they're helpful to the government.
They're helpful to thegovernment.
I'll touch this and then dropoff of it.
But very often, when agovernment is doing well, the
people are not, because thethings that benefit the
government don't benefit thepeople and the things that

(01:16:34):
benefit the people don't benefitthe government.
And so, uh, the Bible says thatthe governments will be on the
shoulder of the Messiah, butit's not because, but it's not
like how we use the analogy of,uh, I'm standing on the
shoulders of my grandfather ormy father.
That means I'm building on topof the foundation that was laid

(01:16:58):
before me.
They're not doing that.
They're pressing down to presshim out, you know.
And so they're pressing down topress him out, you know.
And so they're doing what'sbeneficial to them, not what's
beneficial for us.
Because if they were, then thethings that they promoted in
society would be things thatwere all healthy, all healthy.

(01:17:21):
We can look at some of ourcountry counterparts.
I'll use China, for example.
The tick tock that we see isnot the tick tock.
They see, all of the thingsthat are there, are for them,
are there to make themproductive members of society,
to make them contributors tosociety, and it's all healthy

(01:17:42):
stuff, yeah, you know, and I'mnot saying they're better than
we are, but they understand thatthe more people want to make a
contribution to what's happening, as opposed to being
capitalistic, then everybody canbenefit, right, not just one
person.
But capitalism teaches us thatyou've got to step on somebody

(01:18:04):
in order to be able to make it,you know, and so, yeah, so I
don't.
I think there are some thingsthat maybe are beneficial, right
, but the vast majority ofthings, no.
It's not good that people gohungry.
You know, if you want them todo better, then you got to give

(01:18:27):
them something to promote themto do better, and other than
just suffering alone.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Right, you know you can't create reasons for crime
right, and I think that's whathe's doing too like.
I you know I support some ofthe things, like not support,
but I agree with some of thethings he's doing.
But some of the things is like,bro, you trying to start some
shit, he trying to start someshit, and I think he's trying to

(01:18:55):
do it because you know he onlygot four of them things to do it
like I'm saying, saying so.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Well, you know in in this society.
What we have seen from the verybeginning to now has been a
progression right in aprogression of plans in order to
get things at a certain place,right for a certain reason.
Right, because the devil moveswith purpose as well.

(01:19:25):
He ain't doing nothing for noreason, right, and so I would
say that this is a preparationfor more.
Everything has been apreparation for more since
George Washington all the way tonow, right, and so it's
incumbent on us to prepareourselves for what's coming, and

(01:19:49):
it has nothing to do with ourhumanity.
It has everything to do withour spirituality in terms of the
most high.
That's the only preparation youcan really make, right, because
there's going to be a lack offood.
There's going to be you to bechanges in how things are.
We saw a small portion of whata new normal looks like to cope.

(01:20:10):
So imagine that on steroidsyeah, if that's on steroids and
how it played on people's mentalhealth, then we're in for a
doozy.
Yeah, we're in for a doozy,we're in for a doozy.
And listen, spiritual wickednessis all around us, bro, and we

(01:20:31):
just need to wake up.
Wake up, yeah, all thisdivisiveness and stuff, and they
want to keep us denominated.
They want to keep usdenominated.
They want to keep usdenominated, right sect sected
out and stuff like that, becauseif we can get together and get

(01:20:52):
some sense of unified movement,we'll be dangerous out here yeah
, a force to be reckoned with,you know.
And so they want to keep usdenominated.
They pump up certain leadersand put them as adversaries
against each other so that wecan't come together.
Some of these folks that we seeare stool pitchers, real, talk

(01:21:14):
straight stool pitchers.
Man right, I'm not gonna callno name, I'm just saying come
over my stool pitch this bitchbitch a truth man Call him out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
I always do, nah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
I ain't calling nobody out.
I ain't been released to callnobody's name.
But if we pay attention, if wepay close attention, we can see
the devices.
We can see the devices.
Okay, you know, I'll go for one.
I'll give one.
My heart was broken to see thatone of the pastors in Georgia

(01:21:48):
had been started to boycott atarget and that it was being
very effective.
And then and this pastor is apastor of a Baptist church and
then the National BaptistConvention decides to go around
where he did and take some moneyfrom Target and support them.
That's foolish.

(01:22:10):
That's foolish.
Who in the heck are y'allthinking about?
It sounds like you're onlythinking about yourself.
And that was a cheap $300,000.
It's really cheap, right?
That's really cheap incomparison to the amount of
money that they lost by us doingthis boycott.
You know so, man, we just haveto be willing to stand for

(01:22:35):
what's righteous.
That's what's right to us, butwhat's righteous?
And until that happens, man,we're not going to see no change
.
We're going to keep losing ouryoung men.
We're going to keep losing ourdaughters and our sisters.
The foolery, you know.
Lives just being lost.

(01:22:55):
You know what?
You saw another brother kill asister on Facebook.
Don't lie.
Don't lie.
You know like hey, man, we gotyou.
These things, man, arecompletely ungodly and they come
from a deranged frame of mind.
That's where they come from.
These are animalistic thingsand we're supposed to be above

(01:23:17):
animals, but we're acting likeanimals.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Man, that's another one.
Though what was it about?
Man, that's another one though.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
What was it about, man?
Some foolery, some foolery.
He was cheating on his girlwith this woman, and because the
side piece got upset andstarted making noise on Facebook
, he drove from Texas back toLouisiana somewhere and
basically held the familyhostage and then killed the girl

(01:23:46):
on live.
Now he gone.
Now she gone.
Now he can't be with either oneof them.
Women for real, you know.
And so, man, it's just, it'scrazy man.
The Lord wants to change ourspirit and our mind.
You know, be not conformed tothe ways of this world, but be

(01:24:09):
transformed by the renewing ofyour mind.
You know, or Hebrews 12, 1through 3.
You know, he's saying man, look, look to the one who took the
joy that was set before him anddidn't despise the shame but was
willing to go to the cross onour behalf.
And so we got to get our pointof view together.

(01:24:29):
Man, you know, I know thatthere are some people who think
I'm a Bible thumper.
I take that willingly.
I'm okay with that If that'swhat you want to call me.
That's what's up.
I take that as a salute morethan anything else, because I
let the world thump the hell outof me while I was out there,
hitting it like that.
It thumped the hell out of me.

(01:24:50):
I say that again because it did.
It took me away from things,from people, from places, from
things, from aspirations anddreams, from success and some of
everything else, because Iwanted to be recognized by the
people around me.
More than anything else, I wantto streak credit and all that

(01:25:11):
other kind of foolish.
It ain't worth a dime, becausethem people can't do nothing for
you and when you at your worst,they're not going to be there
for you.
They're not.
They're going to think aboutthemselves, only about
themselves, right.
They're not.
They're going to think aboutthemselves, only about
themselves, yeah, yeah, onlything they're going to do is try
to inherit whatever you leftbehind your wife, your money,

(01:25:34):
your house, your car, yourclothes, you know, aw, man, it
ain't work.
Something has to change and wegot to insist in our own
personal lives that it change.
And if it does, once our livespersonally start to change,
we'll start seeing things changearound us, because you'll start

(01:25:56):
enough.
Start seeing who really ain'tfeeling you for real and never
was Right.
Once you start making a choicefor the most high food, people
will fall off your tree.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
ASAP and be claiming it as you Are.
You acting funny.
Oh, you done got that Bible now.
You done got God now.
You done found God now.
Or you moving this way, youmoving that, Bro.
I just need better for myselfand my family.
That's what it is Like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Yeah, I've just seen the error of my ways, brother,
and that's all there is to it.
No judgment on nobody else,because my sins have been
forgiven, right, and I still gotsin going.
I'm, I'm not, um, I'm not freefrom sin in the aspect of that.
I don't, uh, make bad choicesor I don't do things that go

(01:26:52):
against the law and the word ofgod, right?
However, uh, I believe that I'mbetter than I have been and
that I'm getting better than Iam, and, and so, you know,
through the grace of God,through his grace of mercy, but
that don't make me perfect I'mbetter than no one else, but I'm

(01:27:13):
not worthy, but I am worth itto the most high, no, and so
that's that's what's importantto me.
Uh, that's that's just what'simportant to me.
Man, for the sake of my family,my loved one and my friends, I
want to see everybody saved,even my worst enemy.
I want to see him saved,because it, because it's here

(01:27:35):
for them.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
They want it right and that's what life is about.
Man Like just want to see thegood in everybody and good
happen to everybody.
You know even the enemies.
Man Like you know definitely so.
Do you have any brothers orsisters?

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
you know, um, I got a younger brother under under me
that's four years younger thanmyself, a sister that's eight
years under me, uh, a set oftwin brothers that are 22 years
younger than me.
And then, uh, I want to saywait, you should be 18 now.
And I got an 18 year oldbrother okay, what's up, man?

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
nice ass, family, yeah, man.
So what was some of the fondestlike memories you had, like
when you was younger you know, Iknow all your siblings weren't
there with you, but like theclosest ones, like you know,
what was some of the fondestmemories you had of your
childhood?

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Man, family vacation, family vacation, what was the
best one, oh, I don't know.
Well, the one that we lookforward to the most, I think,
was Thanksgiving, you know,period in November.
Or we would drive from Chicago,where I'm originally from, down
know period in November, or wewould drive from Chicago, where

(01:29:09):
I'm originally from, downNashville, tennessee, man, and
it was just a slew of us, youknow, the car line would be like
maybe eight or 10 cars long.
You know, we leave about three,thirty four o'clock in the
morning, make it to Indianapolisand go to Shoney's and eat, you
know that big old breakfast,and then we would keep on going
and get there about two o'clock,ok, and then about four or five

(01:29:31):
o'clock we'd be eating dinnertogether.
And the special part of it wasthat there was always a prayer
circle.
Yeah, and in this prayer circleone of the preachers in the
family would pray and then,after he prayed, everybody would
quote a Bible verse of theirown.

(01:29:51):
And that just man that stuckwith me so heavy, right, so
heavy, and it was just man.
You know, in my adulthood Ifind it to just be a huge
blessing, bro, that they wouldeven challenge us to have a
verse of some sort.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Okay, so that kept y'all on y'all toes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Man, it just kept us together.
Man, you know it's hard afteryour elders start to leave.
Yeah, people, you know theywere kind of the centerpiece, so
things get a little scattered.
I thank god that we we stillcome together every couple of
years or so.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
Right, and keep it going, though, right and that's
a beautiful thing, man, thaty'all able to still, you know,
keep rocking it.
Because, man, I, you know myfamily I really don't even deal
with them for real, for real,like my, like my mother's side
of the family.
After she passed, like I reallyI kind of broke off from them
and then when my father passed,it was just like yeah, I don't

(01:30:52):
like I'm saying, but I stilllike reconnect with my father's
side every once in a while, likethey have like family
breakfasts and stuff like thatmonthly that they do.
So I'm trying to get in theloop of that.
But other than that, like yeah,I get what you're saying, man,
definitely.
Man, family is, you know, wheny'all are praying together,
y'all are building together,y'all are vacationing together,

(01:31:16):
like that's the biggest thing,like y'all going on vacations
and just letting loose.
And you know what I'm saying,like I ain't worried about
nothing, y'all just doing, y'allhaving fun, enjoying each
other's time and and and theseason for it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Like you know, our praises, like definitely yeah,
man, you know, uh, I, one thingthat, man, I love about my
family is that there was verylittle dysfunction in our
gathering.
Okay, you know what I mean.
You know how sometimes folkscan't get together without it
being some dysfunction going on,right, you know, arguing and

(01:31:52):
fussing and fighting, and oursituation just wasn't like that.
It was just a lot of love, man,and just people being happy to
see each other and sharingcross-generational.
You know, um, I did grow upkind of old school, so they,
they definitely kept children intheir place.

(01:32:12):
You know, um, children couldn'tsit amongst the adults and, you
know, participate in theirconversations and stuff on a
certain level.
But even that was a blessingbecause it kept us from getting
hip to stuff that we wasn'tready for, right?
You know, now these kids canpull it up on the internet and

(01:32:33):
find out everything they want toknow without us telling them,
right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Man Ain't got to tell them nothing, it's just all on
at their fingertips.
Now that they they can getinformation like that, they seem
to think they know more than usand shit.
Like you know what I'm saying.
And that's when you gotta knockthem down on a peg every once
in a while, like you know.
But uh, that's what's up.
Man like I, I just like when Ihad, when I was younger, like,

(01:33:01):
yeah, we had, we had some goodtimes.
Man was younger, was younger.
We had family trips, familyget-togethers, family reunions
and stuff like that.
Those were definitely some goodtimes.
You get older and things don'talways stay the same.
You make your own family andyour own memories and stuff like

(01:33:21):
that.
That's right.
Yeah, definitely that's right.
Yeah, Sure man.
So, bro, you said that you'vebeen working on some projects
and you've got the ministry.
Let people know where you canget your stuff at or even peer
into what you're doing, likeyour links, your social media

(01:33:43):
links and all that good stufflike that yeah, man, uh,
facebook is is pope jr um, uh,youtube is fred pope jr um.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
You can see a few things there, man.
Um, I haven't been doing thisthis past year or two.
I've kind of only been focusingon live music, um, because I do
more live music and so Ihaven't been doing as much
recording at home and production.
Um, at least on my personalstuff.
I've made contributions toother people's things, um, and

(01:34:17):
you know, in my areas ofspecificity, so to speak, right,
um, what have you, and, uh, andso and I really can't, I'm not
allowed to really share eitheryou know whose, uh, whose
projects I've made contributionson, kind of was a, an agreement
, I took the money instead ofthe credit, right, right, right,
and so you know non-disclosurekind of situation.

(01:34:39):
But I've made contributions toquite a few people's stuff, even
just in the area, man, oftutelage in terms of, you know,
them, learning how to play keysand or vocal training and stuff
like that, man.
So I'm kind of behind thescenes, man, not necessarily

(01:34:59):
really trying to make a name formyself, man, I just want to be
effective in whatever it is thatI do, right, no matter what,
and when my time comes, if itcomes, then it'll come.
But, like I said, myconcentration has really solely
been about the ministry.
Man, that's most important tome, because I feel like that's

(01:35:19):
my life's purpose, and the musicis more of a platform to be
able to display that more thananything else.
And so, right, when the timecomes, um, I'm gonna combine the
two in order to man, try to goafter some souls, bro, that's
where I'm at, oh yeah reach abroader here, reach a broader,
uh, genre and, uh, thisdemographic of people.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Yeah, I get it.
I get it, man, definitely man,it's been, it's been a beautiful
deal, man.
Like you know, I, we, we alwayslike, every time we get on the
on the phone, and we, we hadthose builds, man, and it is, I
always get something from it.
Like you know, I'm saying I,and that's what makes you such a
special brother, is that, youknow, even though you don't be

(01:36:04):
trying to teach, you be teachingand you, you know, and, and,
and the contribution that youhave given to me, and not just
me, but many others, and youknow the, the, the, the, the,

(01:36:30):
the, the nation.
So, bro, you keep on doing yourthing, man, and, and, and, and,
really, just, you know, keeppushing and grinding for the
most high man, cause that's whatyou are doing, man, and we, and
your efforts have not goneunnoticed, not by the people, at
least by the people that loveyou, knowing you, and love you
and respect you.

(01:36:50):
We, we see you, we see what'sgoing on, and I'm just here to
give you your flyers while youcan smell them, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
So man, I appreciate that man.
God be praised man.
It's all about him really ohyeah um, not, not about me, man.
I'm asking for more of him andless of me.
For real, for real, for real,right?
Um, I'm just a small example ofhow great he can, he can be and
, uh, how he can make someadjustments.
You know, take your name fromthe bottom of the list to the

(01:37:17):
top of the list, even thoughnobody knows your name uh-huh,
right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
So, yeah, man, I definitely, man, what you, what
you want to let the people know,man, before we get on out of
here, man, because I don't likeholding the people too long.
I know they listening and it'sa good building and we got many
other bills to go and, uh, manyother episodes, but I just, you
know, try to keep it under acertain time frame because I
don't want people to get bud.
You know black folk here, man.

(01:37:43):
After after 30 minutes, man,they drop off like so, yeah, go
ahead, tell them what you wantto know bro man, I just want you
to know that, that god lovesyou, that I love you, and that
there is more.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
But it requires change.
You can't stay the same and geta different result.
It just doesn't work like that,you know, and we can apply some
of the principles that theungodly have used, because
they're trying to use godlyprinciples in an ungodly way
Right, and they've received somesuccess because they were

(01:38:21):
trying to follow the principlewithout having the principle in
mind, a personal principle inmind, and so if we will get past
this thing where we don't wantto read, we don't want to try to
understand, nowadays we canlisten to scripture, you know.
The other thing I want to shareis is that I'm a visually

(01:38:41):
impaired musician, producer andpreacher.
Thing I want to share is is thatI'm a visually impaired
musician, producer and preacher,and so I do all of this without
necessarily having a fullvisual view of everything.
I have to remember thescripture in order to be able to
kick it out, you know, um, and,and, and I'm depending on the
Holy spirit to be able to giveme and bring it back to my

(01:39:02):
remembrance, but I have toswallow it in order to
regurgitate it, and so I believethat if we're willing to walk
without paying so much attentionto what we see, then we'll make
a big difference.
We'll make a big differenceBecause change is right in front
of us.
Man, it really is, and that'swhat I want the people to know.

(01:39:23):
God loves you.
It really is, and that's what Iwant the people to know.
God loves you, I love you, andthat it's available to you, just
want to come and get it.
Just come get it, come get it.
I'm telling you you will not bedisappointed, because ain't
nothing in the world you feellike what the most I can do,
gotcha, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
So hey, like I said, man, y'all enjoy y'all day.
This your boy Aviyah, my bady'all.
I'm gonna eat this salt reallygood my bad.
But this, your boy Aviyah, onthe Spit your Truth podcast, and
my brother Fred Pope, we onhere, man, and he just spit his

(01:40:03):
truth.
He gave y'all a little insightand he dropped some jewels for
y'all, man.
So check us out on Wednesday,every Wednesday at 12 pm Eastern
Standard Time.
Be hitting y'all with newepisodes, more interviews.
You might even do a cypher.
I don't know, man, I'm about togo viral, not viral, hopefully,

(01:40:26):
I go viral when I start doingthe videos, but I'm about to
start doing the videos and youknow visual podcasts and I'ma
still do my audio, man, cause I,you know, I like listening to
them when I'm driving down thehighway myself, like.
So all praise, man.
I'm going to try to hit y'allwith a double banger and keep
the music coming, but we built,we built, we built, we came, we

(01:40:51):
saw, we conquered.
All praise for the most.
How does your boy be on thespeech of truth podcast hosted,
and you know, uh, now we are nowhosted, and and we are now
hosted and backed by the SimonStudios.
Simon Studios, that's where wewill be doing our podcast,
that's where y'all onentertainment's home base is and
we are getting it in for someof y'all.

(01:41:11):
So all praise to the most highbrother.
We thank you, man, for comingon here and just blessing us
with the knowledge, man,blessing us with the fruits and
the jewels.
Man, we really needed it.
Bro, like you're a breath offresh air.
We glad that there's a lot ofbrothers, there's brothers like
you out here.
That's teaching the word andbeing honest and being

(01:41:31):
transparent and being man andsaying, hey, I mess up too,
y'all, I mess up too.
So, hey, stay humble, bro, stayhumble, keep preaching the word
, keep letting the freedom backto the most high and, uh, hey,
have a good, blessed day, bro,good man grace and peace to you,

(01:41:52):
bro all praises man.
Y'all have a good day, man.
Peace Bye.

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