One Piece, 768-770

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These are the episodes wherewenot only meet Raizo the ninja, but we find out about these red poneglyphs that lead you to the island where the One Piece is hidden! I'm very interested, of course, but as we discuss later I am very distracted by what's going on with Sanji. 
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me,
covering One Piece episodes seven sixty eight through seven seventy
the third one Riizoh of the Mist, the Ninja appears
a red stone, a guide to the One Piece and

(00:25):
the secret of the Land of Wano, the Kozuki family
and the Pona Glyphs. In these episodes, we are taking
a step closer to finding what will make Lufy the
King of the Pirates. I still don't know if I
believe this will ever happen, but we'll see. Welcome to

(00:50):
spoil Me. Welcome to the show. Everyone. I am Natasha, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Hello, I'm Floria.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yay, Florian is back baby, all right, thank you for
having me. Of course. All right, so you have to
tell me what made you choose these episodes. I can
suspect why, but every time I know why, but I
want you to.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
You already like call it out. It is truly like
maybe the biggest step that we ever have taken, expect
getting to the Grand Line, maybe that was like the
first huge step, but you get to the One Piece,
this feels like more con and more concrete goal in

(01:55):
a way, like it feels closer. It just fits closer. Yeah, yeah,
I liked it a lot. And to me, this is
even though, like you have still one hundred episodes in
front of you and it's still going bad. And to
me this feels like the beginning of the end in

(02:16):
a weird way, like it is set what we have
to do next. Basically.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, yeah, I was not expecting honestly, the whole like
I want to find the one piece thing has never
really felt that important to me because I just understand
that this is going to be the just the driving
force for a lot of other things to happen, and

(02:46):
I had no problem with that, like that's fine. But
finding out that there actually is like a series of
things to collect, a series of mcguffins that we have
got to go after, I like, granted, it's probably going

(03:08):
to take a long time to get each of these
four things, so you've still got plenty of room to
continue doing what we've been doing, which is just the
adventures along the way, you know, But I kind of
expected for the for the progress on that front to
take even longer, which I think is just because there

(03:31):
are so many episodes.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Question, remind me what the name of the island is?
That the one piece is on because they say it
a few times, but I didn't have the subtitles on
and so I couldn't see how it was spelled. And
every time somebody says it, I feel like I'm mishearing it.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Rathtel tell, Yeah, excell rath Tel. So it reminds me
of raft like it's called on the water, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
But when did we find out that that was the
name of the island, because I remember that we found
this out, but I don't recall when it.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Was mm hmm. I think it was actually in the
beginning when we went into the grand line, there was
Laboom the whale, and there was like this old man
with him, like Crocus is his name, and he had
like a flower head kind of thing going on. I
don't know if you Ray.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
I remember him. Yeah, he lived inside Lagoon.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, basically he was the one who told them that
the last island is Raftel and the gold Watcher and
was the one who went there. That's the first time
that we hear about it. Maybe later with Raleigh as well,
but yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Okay, yeah, because like I had, there's a new intro
now with the change in the arc, where our guys
telling us like the island raftel, and he says it
in such a way that it feels like you guys

(05:16):
know all about this already, right, And it's surprising. It
always it's always weird to me with this show. How
sometimes it will over explain a thing that I very
clearly remember and you don't have to do this, And
then there are going to be times where I'm like,
you should probably expound on that a little bit more
because I don't even remember this happening at all. And

(05:37):
this was one of the times where I was like
I could have stood for you to go a little
bit more in detail here on this because yeah, I
didn't remember anything.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, yeah, no completely. I feel like I don't know
why they don't include it more. But maybe they expected
to know it because it has been like we streamed,
but we streamed. They just expected to reread it the story. Maybe,

(06:08):
but it's they.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Always explain everything anyway, even though they know everybody rewatches
it so many times or reread you know what I mean. Like,
it's just weird. How there then there are times where
I'm like, okay, here is when I could excuse you
kind of having a whole episode dedicated to reminding us
this and you didn't do it, which just it always
surprises me. So okay, let's start from the beginning. The

(06:39):
third one. I don't know why, but it's just been
called the third one. It's very disrespectful, you know. It
goes on to say like rise of the miss But
at first it's just like, yeah, you know, we got
a collection of samuraiz here, this is the third one.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Whatever in trusting was kind of special and now he's like, eh.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, very much.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
So right, So.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Is uh not what anybody was expecting? Honestly, no, he
was pretty much what I was expecting because like the
other samurai are such weirdos contraroau. That man is a freak.
That man is a real strange guy, like all most

(07:35):
feeling like a drag queen in his overall look you
know what I'm saying. And so yeah, I just kind
of figure that, like this we're meeting in Ninja, and
probably this Ninja is going.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
To be.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Just as much as are of a freak. Like now,
he the way in which he was a freak was different,
Like I didn't know what to expect on that front.
But when we see like the imagination of what everybody
is preparing for I. I was watching it for a

(08:15):
moment thinking that was him, and I was genuinely surprised.
I was like, oh, wow, he just looks like a ninja.
Oh does he really this is I didn't expect him
to just be this guy. And then it smash cuts
to what he really looks like, and I was like, oh, okay,
now we're back unfamiliar. Yes see, Okay, that's this is

(08:37):
what I was expecting.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
This is my one piece. Yeah, okay. I I already
kind of could say maybe about the whole Ninja thing,
like how many tropes of ninjas do you know? Do
you know any?

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Well?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
They recite some here that I knew meditate under a waterfall,
disappear into the shadows, or some something else. I think
they mentioned, like balancing on something. The one thing I
didn't ever hear of was saying, Ni ni, I, what

(09:20):
is this?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Is this like real?

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Or is this the show?

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I now? I kind of I feel like it's more
like a children thing, Like not they really said it,
but it kind of become a trope in outer anime,
and like just illustrations that that's what ninja's do. So
that's why, like they believe it.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Basically, Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Kids nowadays also believe.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
It's so like I just never heard that before. And
they go so hard on this a little bit later
with him, you know, getting loofy basically is like riding
on his shoulders and just like smacking him and telling him,
like do another thing, and they keep saying me me,

(10:11):
And I was like, all I can think about was
Monte Python and the Holy Grail. We are the knights
who say me yeah, And so I kind of was like,
is that the joke?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Is it? Like?

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Is he referencing that? But otherwise yeah, I have never
heard of this. What were your knowledge of ninja stereotypes?

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Well, that's the thing, like one Piece is now you
get some animeal or one Piece was or is still
considered one of the so called Big three. The Big
three were like in the early two thousands, like the
biggest selling mangas, and one of them was One Piece,

(10:58):
who had Pirates. Then you had Bleach, which had Samurai
and what's kind of more edgy and darker I've heard, yeah,
and the third one is Naruto and that one has
ninjas in there, like it's all about ninjas and a
lot of these things that come up in this episode

(11:21):
or like with this character I know kind of from Naruto.
So I'm kind of like, I'm not sure if Oda
is referencing Naruto or Ninjas. I feel like there are
a lot of references to like this other big manga
and he's kind of like, you know, winking over there

(11:43):
to the other off or like a.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Is Naruto related to Dragon Ball?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Separate thing?

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
It is a separate thing?

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Is that the one? Because the one thing that happened
in this where I pointed the screen like Leonardo DiCaprio was,
he makes copies of himself and Lufy ketches one and
it turns into a log. And I have not seen this,
but my husband was telling me about the log thing.

(12:20):
I feel like he was talking about it in Dragon
Ball Z context. Does that happen in dragon Ball Z
as well? This thing where it's like, oh, you think
this is a person, but it's really a log.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
It could be. I honestly, I my knowledge of Dragon
Ball Z is smaller because it has been longer for
me since I watched that. Okay, so but it could
be in there as well. I would not put past
it to be there.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I Uh, yeah, I just really he was explaining this
to me. It was not like I was not watching
the show or anything. I think that I meant something
that was happening in one piece and this crazy power
that somebody had. And he started telling me about an
infuriating thing where a person could make a log look

(13:11):
like them and that there was some big storyline that
got dragged out forever and then it basically resolves by
somebody turning out to have been a log the whole time,
and how it was just one of the biggest like
ripoff kind of plot lines that he had ever encountered,
and how he's still mad about it. So that embedded

(13:31):
itself into my mind about the log thing, and so
when it happened here, yeah, I was definitely very much like,
oh my god, it's the thing. So I'm going to
be telling him about it later that I finally encountered that.
But yeah, this is uh the We're getting ahead of
ourselves a little bit here, But yeah, I feel like

(13:54):
when we start this episode, the very first thing that
we see is the pirate Jack finding out that he
has been declared dead in the newspapers and getting really
mad about it, and he actually says this is bullshit.

(14:17):
Has how they use the word shit before? I feel
like this is the first time.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Not sure again, I feel like you have been astounded
by the language before. I remember that, but I don't
remember each What words were you used to say.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
When when I very first started, when somebody was called
a bastard, I was like, oh, oh, okay, and then
somebody says son of a bitch and blah blah blah.
So it's not shocking language in and of itself, but
I was expecting this to be very much like super
PG kid friendly, you know, and so for there to
be any salts to the language at all was shocking.

(14:59):
But there has never been just a swear before. You know,
I guess you could call bitch a swear. I suppose.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I think me as a teacher, yes, that would be
a swear in my classroom. You have to be pretty
strict about it, even though I use it canso baby.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's the way. So yeah, he is really mad about this,
and UH is just basically demanding of his men. I
look alive, don't I? And later on there is a
whole encounter between these ships his He has I think

(15:48):
five ships altogether plus the uh he winds up against
some Marines, and it was that counter is really confusing
to me because it looks like initially everybody is in
the midst of like a storm while they're firing on

(16:11):
each other, and then all of a sudden, the other
ship is gone and the storm is gone. And I
was like, did I misinterpret what I was watching or
is that actually what happened? And I'm supposed to be
puzzled by it?

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, no, this is a flashback. Like basically, he the
timeline goes as follows. He leaves, so no do Flamingo
gets captured. He hears of it and then leaves. So
meanwhile straw heads come to sew everything happens. What happens then?
Right then we see this fight scene of him against

(16:51):
the Marines. And now this very first scene of the
first episode is his way back or like he's way
on the scene and he has a traumatic flashback to
I don't know, like the night before or like when
he faced off against him.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Oh okay, I was not getting that that was a flashback.
The way that was edited was different than I feel
like they usually do with a flashback. Okay, that makes.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
So, yeah, we watch him yeah, we don't see a
lot of do you expect him to pop up back
up or like.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I expect him to But I've got to say I
don't find him that interesting. So not really that excited
about seeing him again. Like him turning into a mammoth
is dope, but it's almost like the the he's not
You're not dextrous. When you're a mammoth, you just can

(17:58):
create wholesale destruction in the way that he's like a
wrecking ball, you know. But it's not really like super
exciting to watch. And his personality is just like very basic, angry,
egotistical bad man. So yeah, I think we'll probably see

(18:21):
him again, but I don't care if we do. That's
where I stand with him.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Absolutely he's a bastard.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, there you go. This is this guy is definitely
a bastard. So this is when we go back to
so and we have the moment where everybody is reacting
to the fact that our friends the Samurai are actually
you know, buddies with the Minx and that there's nothing

(18:53):
to worry about. And it very quickly, like at first
it's really quickly like everybody's friends here, we're all on
the same side, and we were all fighting to defend
your friend. And then Dogstorm and cat Viper turn on
each other just because Dogstorm is like he was talking

(19:15):
to me, not you, and that's all it takes. And
these two are already preparing to beat the shit out
of each other. You both are missing limbs. Can you stop? Well,
you know, like everybody just ate a breath.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, I mean you had, like pets get home from
the vet and you're like, you need to be still,
and they never are.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I'm dealing with that right now. Pippen has a broken
toe and he just wants to fight with his sister
and roll around on the floor with her, and he
can't do that right now, and it is, Yeah, it's
really hard these two. So this is when, first of all,

(20:04):
Kenamon shows his tattoo, which is the same tattoo that
the rest of the Kazuki clan has. We've seen it
upon our kings and Rhizo as well, and I cannot
help but laugh. It's a very like we zero in

(20:24):
on this tattoo and then it sort of fades out
to his face on the other side, and he looks
so pissed at having to show this, and I was
just like nobody made you. It's fine. I feel like
everybody pretty much believed you. But okay, Like he just
looks really angry throughout this.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
And the.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Information that we find out eventually here because Dogstorm and
cat Viper are fighting like this, Momo gets up and
he yells at both of them to knock it off,
because what do you think my father would say if

(21:10):
he could see the two of you behaving like this?
And I had the exact reaction that I think usapas
where it's like, but your dad's right there, And it
turns out that's not as dead Kennebu lied, Yeah, they

(21:32):
why did you lie? You didn't need to. We could
have just rescued this little boy. It's fine, you didn't
have to go do all that.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Yeah, but he wasn't sure if you can trust him.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Oh yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
So, you know, he's he's kind of like the he's
not the grins. As it turns out, he's kind of
like the I mean, by the way they use I
think daimyo and I don't like those are all fudi

(22:07):
still japan like old Japanese terms, or like feudalist feudalists. Yeah,
like from the old like I don't know. We maybe
would have like a count or something and they would
have made things like that. So but basically what translated
what they're saying, he his dad was the prince. So

(22:31):
that's like the relation that's going on there, right.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, because he says they say something at one point
about like the king is under him, and I'm like,
but he's just a lord. And then I realized, oh,
I don't even know how this structure works. I would
think that a king would be above a lord because
of the way it works in like Europe, but that's
not necessarily how it goes here, and I.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Mean it, it is a little bit more complicated than
I just summed it up, so I'm not an expert,
but just to get a reference on what hierarchy they're
in or he is basically.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, yeah, I really like enjoy this twist because he's,
you know, nothing against you, momonosque momenosk is How am
I saying that?

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:32):
He's fine as a character, but I haven't really liked
him that much because one, he hasn't done all that
much except like get cranky about stuff, and then when
he's not doing that, he's burying his face in Nami's boobs,
but she does quite a bit in this section also,

(23:55):
so frankly, I could take her leave this kid, but
I like that there's like an additional plot point of interest,
making him a bit more important because he needed something, you.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, I mean in general, the summarize needed something because
it was kind of like we helped you and basically like,
all of so, what's kind of what are you really
doing here? Of course they kinemon safe conjurer, but it
is still kind of like what are you doing here? Basically? Yeah, definitely,

(24:33):
and now we finally get to the meat and potatoes.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
It seems like, yeah, so this uh this reveal. It
takes a little while, as things so often do in this,
but it results in maybe my favorite ongoing feud that
we're gonna get now, which is that Loofy cannot take

(24:59):
this little kid throwing his weight around and just keeps
getting pissed at him telling people what to do, and
this little kid yelling at Louviy to like bow down
before him, And I love this. I love this. This
is such a weird look. Loofy gets mad at so

(25:20):
few things, you know, Yeah, nothing tends to phase him.
So when we find something that really gets under his
skin like this, I just think it's very fun. He's
so angry and he's so like what's the word I
want here? He just feels bitter in a way that

(25:43):
I don't sense from him almost ever. And since I
didn't really like this kid that much, it's sort of
giving like a little outlet for me as a viewer
of like, yeah, kick is ass loofy good, thank you,
this little brat, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
It?

Speaker 2 (26:01):
I see, how do you feel about this? I am?
You know, up to this point, as I said before,
to me, there were kind of like not nothing characters.
We had way worse in the past, but it was
just not that invested yet. This made me inval like

(26:26):
when this arose, I was like, there it is, you know,
like it was kind of like waiting for it. Yea
and and Momlezuke in particular, I first like it did
not quite like him because of the whole boop swing
which happens here. But Nami is kind of like, so
you're a prince you yeah, nown.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Me feels like she's at least got a little bit
more agency and understanding of it, and she's like using it.
So I feel different about it this time.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, but you know, he's kind of a little rascaled.
But then again, he is a kid, you know, so
and when I compare him to outer kids in auto shows,
I'm kind of like, Okay, we could have way worse.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Look, this is it's an unfair metric though, to just
be like in comparison to other kid characters, I mean,
you're not wrong, but also, kid characters don't have to
suck everybody, you know, Like, we don't have to live
like this, but we just sort of phone it in.
It seems like it's weird because like what often happens

(27:42):
not necessarily here, but like in general, and I'll say
it mostly I would say that this is true in television.
It happens in books some, but I don't find it
quite as frustrating in books because you aren't relying on
some little child to act, So you can make your
kid in your book cuter much more easily then you

(28:04):
can make an actor on screen charm you, you know.
But I feel like what's so weird is that oftentimes
when they add a kid into the situation, they're trying
to up the stakes and they're trying to make it
like Oh, well, now there's a child that might get hurt,
and don't you care more because they're an innocent And

(28:27):
it's like, no, I already cared because there were people
here that I liked, and you've thrown in a factor
that's actively annoying actually, and a part of me kind
of wants him to die just so that I don't
have to deal with him anymore because I don't like him.
So it winds up sort of backfiring sometimes where they're like,

(28:48):
you're supposed to be rooting for them to save that
little boy, and I'm like, fuck that kid whatever. He's
been dragging this whole series down ever since you brought
him in, Like, let's take care of him. It's fine.
Like I said, I'm not saying.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
That but Walking Dead, but maybe I'm just speculating me.
Let's move on.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
For those who aren't watching this in real time, I
got a very called out expression on my face because
Walking Dead was literally what I was thinking of.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
But we won't. We won't talk.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
About that now, yes, but but good catch there, Florian.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
You were not wrong, Thank you, Thank you. The cat
at the dog they make up basically, or like they
at least agree to stop fighting. That's what we can.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
They're basically just like shaved into it, like, ah, he's right,
his dad would be.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
So pissed, And I find it like really cute. But
also this I like. I like Cat Viper a lot,
and dog Storm I also like him, but Cat Viper
is just awesome. But this, when I saw, like how
the townspeople are so happy, I'm just like, you two

(30:07):
are assholes, Like, yeah, you see how everybody is happy
about this? You could have done these years ago. I mean,
it's it's real. It's a great moment, but it's bitter
in a way, like we're like, hmm, that's very.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
I didn't really think of it that way. But you're right,
like they've been dealing with this for what how long?
Years and years right at this point.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
I don't know that. I don't know the exact timeline,
but years.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, you're right. They're like you, guys,
all you had to do was be yelled at by
the right person and you just set all of this aside.
Really yeah, it's I guess that is how it can
be sometimes, where if the right person says it to
you and they phrase it the right way, you can

(30:57):
suddenly realize what a dick you're being in a way
that nobody else was quite able to get through to you.
So I suppose it's just hard for me because, like,
I think, part of the disconnect here is what almost
dad means to them, and I don't fully understand that
that relationship yet, you know, I don't really get like

(31:19):
totally what's happening here yet. So it definitely was sort
of like, is it supposed to be just that a
little kid has pointed out that you're being childish and
that's a bridge too far, which would have been fine,
but what it winds up being, I feel like invoking
his father's memory I guess makes more sense. But yeah,

(31:43):
it's just like you've made everybody miserable with your fucking
attitudes this entire time and splitting things up the way
that you have, and it didn't have to be this way,
and you could have just shut the fuck up and
sucked it up, Like wow, way to waste everyone's time. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, that's what I realized rewatching it yesterday. I was
kind of like, oh, yeah, I also have to mention
that Almo's face when he yells at them is really funny.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
He gets this like this, the frown is so extreme,
and he's got that thing that they do when somebody's
really mad where it's just a shadow where their eyes
should be and you can't even see the whites of
their eyes or anything. And yeah, so this is when
we get the reveal that he is the Air and

(32:39):
everybody is very surprised. Nami is interested in how much
money he may have access to, and and let's see
what happens after this, because like eventually they make up,
and is that like almost the end of the episode,
we just have them then going to the tree in

(33:01):
the center of everything, is it? No, they're going. They
then encounter Riso, who is chained up because they didn't
want him to go out there and try and face
the pirates who were searching for him.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Right yeah, yeah, because they wanted to keep him hidden,
but he of course wouldn't, like as we find out
last episode, they're like great friends and he's like, no,
when you're fighting, I want to fight, and they're like no, no, no, no,
Like basically they had to do what they sometimes need
to do with Loofy or should do with Louvie and

(33:41):
be like hmm, no fighting, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I feel like maybe our friends should like get some
sa prism stone handcuffs just to have around to manage him,
because just trying to be like, hey, loofy, stay here,
don't do you know, it's obviously not working. Kids. If
you really want to keep him in place, you're gonna
have to take some drastic measures. So yeah, and yeah,

(34:11):
we sorry.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Go ahead, you know, I mean, did you did you
clock that it was rap or did you clock in
general that this was a pond lip? And did you
clock that it was red pondly?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Not at all? Not even a little bit. Like eventually,
when it's revealed, I was confused and I was like, wait,
they chained him to that, that's what it was. It
was just sort of a like, I'm not mad at it.
It's very practical to do that, you know, but I
definitely was sort of these have been treated with such
reference to just behave like it's just a pillar in

(34:48):
a building. Felt very odd to me.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's fair, and.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
It's it's also like a very striking background for him,
because it's like, I the Ponic glyphs are so few
and far between, and I've never seen The whole point
is we've never seen a red one. So I was
just taking it as like a decorative wall in this

(35:15):
certain area or something, you know what I mean, I wasn't.
I don't think that in a vacuum, if it's a
totally different color, that I would ever think it was
a ponent glyph, the like the same kind of thing,
you know. So yeah, it's uh, it was definitely a surprise.

(35:36):
He's so weird looking, guys, it's very funny. So he's
got I don't even know what to you, guys, know,
I tend to like try and describe. I don't even know.
He's got sort of six fingers of hair that sticks

(35:58):
stick out from his head. I don't they don't even
look like dreadlocks like that's not I think they're meant
to be. But they don't sit like dreadlocks would sit.
He's got a crescent moon in his forehead that I
don't know if that's like part of a costume or
if that's just supposed to be part of his body.
His sleeves flare out above his shoulders.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Was that I think it's a scar like the moon thing,
but I'm quite certain about it.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
It's yellow.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
I mean, he can maybe he painted it or put
some tatoo artists to work. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
That.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
I will not accept that if that's it, And everybody,
I want you to know right now, if that turns
out to be what it is, No, I don't think
so that's that. Better be jewelry or I don't know what,
but oh my god, it better not be Florian. I'm
so mad right now. He's got these like kind of

(37:07):
puffy purple trim that like comes out up above his
shoulders and then also down his front. He is, you know,
all of that. Plus he's got the really big, square,
extreme jawline plus extremely sticky out cheekbones that remind me

(37:30):
of what's his name, the the drag queen. Oh my god,
thank you. But yeah, he looks like there's his body
is out of proportion to his head in a way

(37:52):
that doesn't happen too often in this show. We do
have characters occasionally that this will happen, but it's Ivankov
is the one that it's the most extreme. For sure.
I feel like and I think I would put him
in maybe second place because his head is almost the
size of his torso it's certainly not like he resembles

(38:15):
the other the I keep saying the other two because
they call this the third one. But he's not a samurai.
He's a ninja, right, so he's not really the third one.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Mm hmm it is yeah, no, no, he's a ninja.
But sometimes they do refer like if they refer to
them as a group, then there are the Samurais, you know,
so he gets kind of like crusted into them because
they're the Samurais and the ninja. They're just like the Samurais.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Okay, that's what I was doing too, and I couldn't
remember if like, is that acceptable or not? Okay, Yeah,
it's just such a weird Uh. The whole look of
him is such a departure, and like, you know, I
get what we're doing thematically with condureau he looks crazy,

(39:17):
but I get that there's like a theme there, but uh,
this guy, I don't see a theme. There's nothing that
I'm detecting. Really. That's like tying it all together because
he's also got like an orange and blue polka dot thing,
and then there's like an undershirt sort of part that
almost looks like fish scales. So I have no idea

(39:38):
what the inspiration for this outfit is.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I think just Oda had like a really good trip.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
And.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Honestly, that feels like so much of this series Oda
was tripping, or Oda had a bad dream, or you
know what I'm saying. Like, yeah, so he is delighted
to see them. They release him, and we have this

(40:11):
moment where Robin is clocking that this is a ponent glyph.
But first what we need to do is deal with
how much everybody wants to see him do Ninja stuff.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, and every boy loves Ninja's.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I feel like this is true, right.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I would Yeah, I mean, I would subscribe to that
because I feel like it has interesting in love. I
was thinking, like I was a gay kid. I'm still
a gay kid, hi in my heart, I mean, And yeah, no,
Ninja's I feel like he can be enjoyed. You know,

(40:57):
like you have like this stealthy, sleek kind of mm
hmm you know which, and you also have like the
killing power for the streets, right right right.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, you gotta have the macho aspects.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, but no, if you like it works, it works
for a lot of boys, I would say.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
So.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I uh, personally, as a kid, was never super into Ninja's,
but I think it was just the type of content
that I consumed. I think that if I had been
somebody that was introduced to enough stuff when I was younger,
that would have caught my fancy. And I'm trying to

(41:39):
think if there was anything like sort of superhero ish
or superpower ish or just you know, and I can't
think of anything like that, and I'm sure I'm missing something,
but yeah, no, Ninjas just really on my radar too much.
I the only you know what, the one exception being

(42:00):
the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I was pretty into the
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I was a big fan of
whichever one is the orange one, who's funny? Who I
think is Michelangelo, but I can't remember if I'm right
about that, but he is. I'm always like a sucker
for the class clown and he's the funny one. So
I was always just like, what's up.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, no, they're great, but I cannot tell you which
one is which I know, yeah, after artists, but after that.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
I remember that the red one is Raphael. I'm pretty
sure the blue one is Donna Tello. Maybe they were'te
one well, I don't remember anyway, does not matter. Sorry, everybody, yeah,
and he tries to be like, this isn't a party trick.
I'm not going to perform for you. And it is

(42:52):
so funny how easy it is to peer pressure him,
because everybody comes up with it like a thing that
they want to see from him. Specifically, even Law and
Zorro get in on this moment where they're just like, well,
can you do this thing? I didn't expect them to
be participating at all, and I enjoyed that they were

(43:16):
all included when we have the slow pan to everybody's
very disappointed faces because they also apparently like got their
hopes up about it too.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
That is the funniest shit to me, Like sometimes when
it's just when sorrow is included in a joke like this,
it's always so funny sometimes even growing like you know,
even where I occasion robbing will be included and then
I will lose my shit. I will Yeah, No, it
is I find it funny, like he does us all

(43:50):
his tricks, or like even in the beginning he says
something like invisible to the ladies and invincible in battle,
and that line got me hollering, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Oh my god, I didn't even catch that. That is
so that is wild invisible to the ladies. Yes, wow,
how dude, damn? Oh yeah, I think that's because like
he says something about how his physique doesn't do him

(44:21):
any favors or something. Okay, yeah, that I'm remembering this now.
And yeah, so, like he starts off with the whole like,
don't you thrust your ninja stereotypes on me? And then
he sees how the reft they all are at the
fact that he is just refusing to participate in this,

(44:41):
and finally it's like, okay, fine, and he does a
bunch of stuff. He does like a smoke bomb, disappear
and reappear, he multiplies himself using logs. I'm sure there's
like a couple other things on missing those are the
two that really stand out to me.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, it does a lot. He puts on the show, and.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Later on USAP makes fun of him for that and
he's mad about it, but like he's right though, dude,
it's fine.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
So after this is when we start to get a
little bit more into the Pony glyph and what it means,
and we get the drop of the major bombshell at
the end of the second episode that this will tell
you how to get to the island, and he doesn't

(45:43):
explain right away that this is one of four. He
tells them that first and then starts to explain there's
four more, and of course Lufy assumes this means that
there's four islands and therefore four to one pieces.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Of courts.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Lffy tune in, baby, where are you? Where'd you go?

Speaker 2 (46:06):
That was he just heard one piece and was out
of the immagination land. Yah know, I find this like really,
I mean, it's Pirates, it is x Marx the spot,
and I just love it that we have it like
so traditional but at the same time so kind of

(46:29):
like interesting. Still in my opinion, I liked it. I
liked it a lot.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, I'm look, I am always. I know that mcguffin's
get made fun of a lot, and like rightfully, so
they can definitely be something that is leaned on a
little bit too much. I won't talk about Rise of
Skywalker again, but you guys know that's an example of like,

(46:56):
you have an entire universe that you could have played
with well loved characters, and you decided to go with
a mcguffin story for this, really, like you could have
done anything that's different. This is a long running series
where we know we're not heading straight for the thing.
We know that it's going to be a process, and

(47:16):
that's the point of it, you know. So it feels
very different here. And I am a sucker for this
kind of thing, especially when there's like puzzles that you
need to solve, or you know, when you get somewhere
that you thought it was going to be and it
turns out somebody else got it first and then you

(47:36):
have to find out where they went with it. I
love that kind of thing. I don't think that's necessarily
going to be an issue because, as it's pointed out later,
these bitches are very big, so it's not like you
could just pick it up and put it in your pocket.
They the advice that they are given is to do
a rubbing of the the side of the pony glyph

(47:58):
so that they can get a copy of it, which
eventually us up comes up with a plan of just
like we'll sneak in there and get the rubbing and
then we don't have to deal with anybody, And Lufy
is so bummed out at this idea. It is very funny.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, I like that a lot.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Yeah, it is agreed.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
The height of those two characters against blondy Eachella. Of course.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
This, yeah, this is like the the whole vibe of
us up wanting to do. I talked about this in
the episode I recorded before this, I recorded on Dungeon
Crawler Carl. Have you read any of that, Florian.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
No, But I am intrigued by the title alone, honestly.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, Dungeon Crawler Carl is the premise is our world
is flattened and turned into a reality TV show for aliens,
and we are all forced to play through these dungeons
as if we were in a video game. And but

(49:21):
it's like real stakes, it's real life, you know. So
the the say that I was bringing up in that
is how I have often when I'm playing video games,
I've wanted to play the stealth character, but I don't.

(49:43):
I have such anxiety that it's almost better for me
to play the tank characters, even though I don't like combat.
It bothers me in games sometimes because I get so
freaked out. At least I can go in, I can
fucking smash my buttons and then like power through it.

(50:04):
Whereas stealth it's like this, it's very anxious. It's slow.
There's like this agonizing sort of sense to it, you know.
So a part of me understood where usup was coming from,
and another part of me was like, us up, I
feel like you are going to have so many opportunities
to have a complete meltdown if we do it your way,

(50:25):
Because anybody takes a step in the wrong direction, or
anything that you thought was gonna happen a certain way
doesn't happen that way. You were going to lose your shit, dude,
because he loses it instantly over anything. Just let Loofy
punch his way through to the Pono glyph. Just let
him go, let him do it, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah, send him in with a couple other days. Yeah right,
well yeah yeah, But but it was still I mean,
as we learn, like what inspired this whole talk is therefore,
and one of them is with Kaido and the other
one is with Big momm and so they talk about this, Okay,

(51:11):
we want to get to Sanji, and we also now
have this other goal of getting to this to this
pondic glyph, and yeah, that's why it is like, let's
sneak in. But of course he is not a fan
of that. It is to me, I find it okay,

(51:33):
just mathematically speaking, because I like math. Hello, yeah, I
love how like you got defensive immediately.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah, yeah, I know that's weird. I don't want to hear.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It, I know, but actually it is true. When you
have a map and you only have three points, you
need all four points to make a cross like like
two because depending on where the fourth point is, it
is possible. And I had once to do like the
mathematical what's it called like thing related to that. So

(52:07):
that's why I know that, and I know I'm I
want to hear like your theory. Do you think like
the middle of this cross? Do you have an idea
where that could land? Oh god, it just the end
of at the end of the Grand line. Will it
be an island that we have been to? Will it

(52:27):
be something completely new?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
It never even occurred to me at someplace that we've
been already. If it is, I'll be kind of mad
about it. I want it to be a new place.
I want it to be Like you know, I would
sort of prefer that it not be the end of
the Grand Line, because it feels so if it's just
about getting to the end and it's at the end

(52:53):
of the you know, it feels very like simplistic. I
you know what I would kind of like, and it
wouldn't work because this doesn't make sense with like the
way that these pony glyphs are supposed to function, but
the fact that, like we have an island that's literally
an elephant walking around. I wouldn't be mad if the

(53:15):
One Piece were on an island that moves around, you know,
I think that would be kind of fun. But I
I'm trying to think, like, Okay, so here's what I
would want if I were gonna get exactly. What I
would like is for the One Piece to be on

(53:37):
an island we've never been to before that is not
at just at the end of the grand line. It's
like out there in the mix, and it's a whole
thing to get there. And I would like for that
island to be an Indiana Jones style setup of like
traps and obstacle course style, like you know what I'm saying.

(54:02):
And I would wit for there to be an obstacle
that specifically speaks to the skill set of each of
our friends for them to work their way through.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
You know, I love that. That sounds awesome.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Maybe I'm trying to think because like Oosoup's whole thing
is being the sniper king. So yeah, we can have
something where you have to shoot something from afar and
it triggers something. Obviously, Zoral will just fight with a blade.
We don't have Sanji right now. I hope we get
him back and then he can kick something, not me.
Maybe we need water to activate something, and so she

(54:39):
has to summon you know, the clouds or I don't know. Uh,
it has to be harder than I'm making it sound.
It doesn't like you know.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
But we get the base idea, you know. I mean
robbing of course will be the guide and like reading
the ruins and be like, oh hey we have to
go left now right, and you know she can do that.
Frankie can maybe build something for us, like a bridge,
I don't yeah, music puzzle for Brooke, like we can

(55:11):
get it all in there.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I'm trying to think what we would do with Chopper,
because I love my baby, but he doesn't have the
best skill set for like something like this.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
I don't know, like it could be. I mean, if
we go full fantasy, it could be like mixing a
potion or something, you know.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Okay, I like that idea, or.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Like, there's like this weird plant that poisons people and
he figures out how to get through them without them dying,
basically something something like that.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, I like that idea. There's or maybe there's like
you know, these poisoned darts, but I figured out the
antidote so the poison won't harm you, and we can
walk through and get hit and it doesn't matter. It's
so funny because you went to this idea and the
first idea that I had in my head was that
game operation where you have to take the bones out

(56:06):
of the patient without touching the sides.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
I mean, they would also be great. I would also
be down for that. It would be super hard than Highlights.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Or maybe that doesn't exactly take medical skill, but perhaps
it could be reassembling a skeleton and he, you know,
he has the knowledge of biology where he would be
able to do that somehow. But yeah, we could get
the whole gang involved. I think that would be fun.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, no, I hear you, and I'm down for that.
That sounds like a lot of fun. I'm also like
The Last Island. I still like it that there is
like this mystery around it. We get to hear like
the jumping too far ahead, but basically also hear that

(56:56):
momost that also ended up on the island at the
very end and of the third episode, think that he
was with Roger, and which makes Momo even more interesting,
like did you gonna tell you anything? Like spill the beans?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Boys?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Spill the beans?

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, definitely the whole the fact that they are still around,
but like, because I expected whoever had been responsible for
the creation of these things to be extinct, and finding
out that they are not extinct. But the one kid

(57:39):
that we have contact with like seems to not know anything.
It doesn't feel they guarded their legacy super well, so
I wonder about that. It just feels sort of like, ouch,
you guys really just like dropped the ball on this.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I don't know, it's fits like it, but yeah, that's true.
We find out that that he is like that he
his family made though made the pornicglyphs. And by the way,
I just maybe a segue or like pond glyphs. A

(58:15):
lot of people like them, like defend them, likes them
a lot, and I this was the moment where I
started to care about them more and even like going
back because they have been around, but I was never like,
oh my god, what is this that I was interested?
But now I'm like, oh, now I'm like they're related

(58:36):
to the one piece. Now I'm really interested in them
even more.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Yeah, I definitely agree with.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
That, and to me, I mean, it makes the Rewatchers
even more exciting and I just want to we have
not talked about her take a moment to talk about Robin,
because I feel like she is kind of like the
center point of this episode mm hmmmm. And I find
it really cute in these episodes. Like one moment that

(59:04):
I liked a lot is when she sees the pornoglyph.
She basically waits for permission before she goes to read it,
because like Dogstorm is like do you want to read it?
You seem interested in it. Then she's like if you're
allowing you know that?

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
It is It is like really cute, you know, like
that she has the respect of the culture and to
wait for getting permission in this way. I like that moment.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Yeah, I definitely agree. I think that this is This
is something that I struggle with with this show a
little bit, is the fact that like there is obviously
an expectation that you are going to consume and reconsume,
so that certain things wind up taking on more context

(59:55):
for you as you go through it time and time again.
And it's like kind of a danger in the way
that I'm watching things because the pony Glyphs feel so
unconnected to anything that I didn't give a shit about
them at all. It felt like something that was probably

(01:00:17):
going to wind up being important but absolutely wasn't at
the moment. And so the fact that like, there is
such a big deal made about what's going on with
Robin learning to be able to read them and them
trying to stop her from reading them, and you know
that whole thing. I understood that this is like a

(01:00:39):
you know, there's likely going to be a bigger plot
point behind this, but because he waits so long to
let us know what the point is, when I'm watching
it for the first time, I feel like, why couldn't
you have given me a little taste earlier so that
I would have engaged more in cared more. And that's

(01:01:03):
what I run up against with the show a lot
is like if you had just let me know any
of that sooner than you did, instead of treating it
like it's its own reveal. It's not just a separate
its own reveal. It's related to a lot of stuff
that already happened. And this is how I felt about,
like finally finding out what happened to Robin. You guys

(01:01:27):
know that I just didn't connect with Robin. And we
finally get her life story, like so far into things,
and we know about her caring about the ponent glyphs
and history and what not to begin with, but we
don't know why, we don't know how important it is
to her, and it's just telling things in a way

(01:01:50):
that to me feels a little backward. You know, it's
him trying to like give us breadcrumbs and be like, oh,
you'll find out eventually. I'll keep you guessing. But in
my opinion, everything would have had more weight and more
interest if you reversed it. And there are a lot
of things in this series where I feel like that's true,

(01:02:11):
and this is one for me where I'm like, I'm
kind of on the fence. A part of me feels
like I would have liked to know the significance of
the ponoglyphs in this context sooner. Another part of me
kind of likes the fact that the ponent glyphs being
key to the one piece is a big reveal, But

(01:02:33):
I feel like we could have split the difference where
there's like a legend about the ponent glyphs being connected
to some you know eventually, like they can help you
achieve wisdom or that you can find your heart's desire

(01:02:53):
or some you know something that like if you read
them all you get something, and then eventually we find
out the one piece is the thing. Maybe that's like
part of the connection the thing is. I don't know
if the ponoglyphs leading to the one piece is circumstantial.
The ponoglyphs might lead to the island, and the island

(01:03:16):
has a whole other thing going on, and gold Roger
just buried the one piece there for different reasons, So
the ponoglyphs may not originally have pointed to the one piece.
They may have pointed just to the island. So I
don't know. The island feels like it must be significant somehow,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
I like your thoughts here, and I kind of do
feel you on that. But a lot what you just
said is actually what was a big thing in the fandom,
because there was a big partial portion of the fandom
who was like, no ponoglyph will lead us to the
one piece, like before this real happened. And so what

(01:04:01):
you're saying is like you would have cared more knowing that,
but people cared because there was like a lot of
people believing that that was like a connection there and
it turned out to be true. So and maybe those
people like it more that they could like theorize along
the way and enjoy that. But I can definitely see

(01:04:22):
what you mean. And I was I'm somebody who just
consumes things and let it wash over me. Honestly, I'm
just like the kind of consumers though for me it
was fine this way, But I get what you mean.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yeah, it's the fact that, like people were theorizing and
everything is part of the whole. We are going to
rewatch this many many times. There's going to be like
a fandom community built up around it because it takes
so long for the story to be told that this
is part of the experience of it, you know, And

(01:05:01):
I think that I'm just not used to stories being
told with that as part of the understanding that I'm
going to take it for granted. You're going to rewatch
this you're going to reread this, you are going to
be in spaces where people talk about this NonStop, and
that it's going to take literal years for us to

(01:05:22):
get to the point of any of this. You know,
I'm just not used to stories that do things that way.
So for me, it's just like, I'm sorry, Seraphim has
left so many comments and I have not been able
to talk about them. Sorry Saraphim. But one thing that
they they commented, it's one piece assume everything has far

(01:05:45):
more meaning than you first assume. And that's the thing
like I do. I do assume that, but that doesn't
mean I give a shit it may. It actually kind
of causes me to dis engauge because once I see
a thing, I'm like, Okay, that's probably gonna be something,

(01:06:06):
but it probably won't be anything for like one hundred
and fifty episodes, so I don't even need to think
about it. And I wouldn't mind being given a hint
that it's something that I can sort of, you know,
feel some connection to before one hundred and fifty episodes
pass and it's finally brought up again by somebody, I

(01:06:30):
would I would be down for a little bit more
of a hint ahead of time. But again, yeah, I'm
not consuming this the way that it seems like most.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Of the world consumed it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah, so I'm gonna have a real different like takeaway here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
I totally get that. I hope just in the general
things it is still enjoyable. I actually i'm listening right
now to your Courage of Lost Metal. I feel like
it is and with Miles and you kind of ran
into a thing where Randall Anderson we need to talk

(01:07:13):
about like they're all the different kind of universes and
and this is not completely the same. But I at
least feel like Woe Piece still works even if you
don't remember every everything like you don't, you don't need to,
but for the people who really enjoy it, it is there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
I definitely think it still works. It's it's just that
I feel like I'm missing out on a part of
the enjoyment by not getting to care about things more.
But again, that's like part of that enjoyment is that
like a way of consuming this that I don't. And

(01:07:57):
so maybe there's just no way from you you really
ever get that, like understand that sort of process.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
I get it, because I mean, at the end I
feel like this enjoyment is the fandom that we're talking
about at large, if I'm if I'm catching what you're throwing. Yeah,
it feels like that the fandom of One Piece, I
at least feel like it's like really engaging and really great.
And I mean, due to the show and in general,

(01:08:31):
you cannot really engage with the fandom, but I yeah,
I feel like that that's maybe the part that is musing.
Of course, like over like the stories that we have
told and like the theories like they're like I mean,
they are like crazy theories about out there about One Piece,
and we have a fandom just like know them and

(01:08:56):
things that have been disproven and things that have been proven.
And I can see that that uss unspoiled, as Natasha
for when spoiled, I cannot enjoy that, and I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Yeah, it's it's sort of nice in a way because
it's like, even though I feel sad that I'm not
getting the full experience of it due to in not
engaging in that way because of spoilers and all of that,
there is sort of and I think that I'm experiencing

(01:09:32):
a little bit what Rashaun experienced when we covered Harry
Potter where she knows that there's this massive fandom out
there that is just waiting for her to finally be
spoiled so that she can engage in all the stuff.
So even though I do feel frustrated by the way
the story is told sometimes, I also know that by

(01:09:54):
the time I catch up, if that ever does happen,
I am going to have a lot of spaces that
I can like go in and join in, and there
will be some wild stuff, and I'll also be able
to like go back and watch through with like not
just the context of what I know now, but also

(01:10:18):
the filler episodes. I'll be able to go through as
well and probably have some strong feelings on some of them.
And I'm sure the fandom also has strong feelings on
a lot of them. So yeah, So I there's like
a big part of me that's sort of like enjoying that.
And I think I just have like this sort this

(01:10:40):
envy of how well versed folks are that have gone
through this so many times, and I feel like I
often am just scrambling to keep track of stuff, you know,
and it's not like there's nothing to be done about it.
There's no way to approach this and give like you

(01:11:01):
guys helping me out in the comments or in the discord.
That's pretty much the only thing that you can do
is to like remind me of things through that or
for the show to remind me of stuff. There's just
because I do things this way, for spoil me in
a vacuum all alone, I've done this to myself. I

(01:11:25):
have nobody to blame but myself.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
You know, well maybe we have a handy do as well.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
But I'm not trying to lay blame. He said it,
he said it on me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
It's our fault. It's me. I started it all. But yeah, no, no,
And of course nobody expects you to rewatch it like
you have so many, so many other shows going on,
like and of course it is kind of interesting. I

(01:11:58):
mean I find it interesting to do to watch it
through dead lens as well to kind of see you
work through this all, like the whole story and now
kind of back to the story. If that's fine with you,
let's do that. I just wanted to talk a little
bit more about Robin, and I forgot what I wanted
to say, Like, there is this really cute scene where

(01:12:21):
kat Wiper is oh no, before that, the fandom again
with Robin, I just wanted to close it off if
we don't A reason why maybe Robin doesn't connect so
much with you is that outside in the fandom, she
has that role of she is arguably the most important

(01:12:47):
character in one place because she can read the pornic glyphs,
she can read the ponnit live she is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
Yeah, I guess that's true. I mean, that's what like
it winds up coming down to later is and being
like they're gonna want to kidnap her, so watch out
for that's wild thing to just like say.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
But but it is true. And I feel like, like
I personally like Robin, but a lot of the fandom
like really loves her, which I not think is raw.
But I feel like the connection with her to the
overarching story gives her like an extra boost, which again
is not unfair, Like I can definitely see it because

(01:13:30):
she is important. She's really important to this story. And yeah,
but I like that the moment where all of the
straw heads are like, no, we will protect her, like
she says, like I have strong friends and they're like
all blushing. It's so cute.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
That was another look we have a few moments in
these episodes where we see like an emotion from Lufy
that we do not often see one of them being
real ticked off at Momo who just thinks he's cooler
than he should, and then him getting genuinely bashful, can like,

(01:14:11):
I'm sure there is an episode out there, guys that
this has happened, but I I thought about it after
this moment because it caught me so off guard. We
have never seen him react this way that I can remember.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
He blushes, he gets little like like little hearts, you know,
like it's a moment and I just never expected.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Him to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
It's so it's it's a perfect reaction from him because
all he cares about is fighting and his friends. Like
so of course his friend saying, I have no doubt
that he will be up for it. Of course this
is going to be the thing, right, Yeah, but it

(01:14:59):
didn't occur to me, and we've just never seen it
laid out like this, So for him to just be
so precious and touched about it. And then we have everybody,
like each of the fighters going around and being bashful
in turn about you know, her, assuming that they will

(01:15:22):
have her back. But Loufy like We've seen them all
sort of have this moment except for Loofy, so it
was cute for all of them, but really it's about him.
He's the one that I was the most tickled by
for sure with this. Ah yeah, So I'm trying to

(01:15:48):
get to because we have I'm like scrolling through the
third episode to make sure that we haven't missed anything.
Oh my god, I'm sorry. Louvi's face when us up
SHA's his plan to not have to fight is so
fucking funny, you guys. If I did, there's like a
block on taking screenshots. If it weren't so difficult to

(01:16:12):
take screenshots on this, I would definitely try and use
this as like the image photo for this episode. But
just this is like the sort of thing that I
would like to keep in my phone as a reaction
photo too. Just leaven comment sections in places, just this
incredibly sad and frustrated face, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Maybe one thing we have not talked about it is
they go outside quickly, and it is basically the Samurai
crying over the city and seeing the destruction that was
the episode before, in the second one. But I just
saw that and it is just a short I mean,

(01:17:01):
it's kind of drawn out, but it is a short
moment of just to show how much they appreciate the
sacrifice the min's made. You know, it is not they
realize it. It's not like, oh yeah, thanks for saving
our friends and now everything is okay or like they
know and that came at the cost, at a huge cash,

(01:17:24):
and I like to see that portrait.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
I definitely like this was this was a time where
I didn't mind it being drawn out because this whole
thing has been fought over this one guy and we
only just found out he's even still that he was here,
so and you guys know, like last time, when it's

(01:17:47):
revealed that he was here, I was just floored at
like what it would be like to be the person
that was the subject of all of this sacrifice, and
how how incredibly sad I would be that, Like they
wind up coming out of it okay in terms of

(01:18:10):
loss of life, but like there's so much destruction that
how do you get over that and live with yourself?
It's not your fault, but you can't help but feel
like it's your fault. I mean I would, and that
is definitely something that he is coping with. Is just

(01:18:33):
knowing that they were out there going through this this
whole time, that he was powerless to help them, and
that this city that has like he actually got to
see it before the destruction, so he knows what a
difference this is versus our friends coming in only having

(01:18:54):
seen it destroyed and not really having the context for
what it was like before. So it's a really different Yeah.
I actually really liked this moment, and I was glad
that he has this like weight that he's carrying, and
he says that he will avenge them for what they

(01:19:16):
had to sacrifice for him, and I like that because
I would just that would eat me up, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Think that is I don't know, I don't know what
it would feel I would feel. Even if I would
personally go out and kill Jack, it does not feel
like enough, you know. Yeah. Right, It's the kind of
deal where it's like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Yeah, it's yeah, it's like killing him, great, thanks, he
was already gone, He's already not doing anything to us anymore,
and our city is still ruined.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
I do think that I would feel like they need
to do it just because I want to do something,
But I I just am glad that it gets addressed. Though,
because these guys have such honor surrounding their friends and
and their role as usually being the protectors, I'm assuming

(01:20:22):
that probably being protected instead of the protector really got
under his skin.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Absolutely, And I feel like we're kind of getting at
the end, but I mean the end of the third episode,
and I want to after that ask you about some predictions,
but we can kind of the drop that, yeah, we

(01:20:52):
get his name, Nomo Son. I'm not sure did we
get his name? Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
I don't remember? Who is this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Like Momentezuka's son, Like they ask at the end, like
like he gets revealed that the Stonemasons are from his
clam and then they're like, yeah, but his father could
not pass down to Momentezuka how to read the pornent list,
like so and apparently he was killed and as you

(01:21:26):
know tells this story, he's like really upset. He's like
hitting his knee and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Yeah, I was like on board with it, but also,
my god, they just have this go on for such
a long time every time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Yeah, and MoMA is crying like really full out sobbing,
and yeah, that's that's also when when they dropped that
that he was on the on gold Rocher shape right,
his father was, And I don't know, Like I just

(01:22:02):
wanted to ask you in general, maybe some predictions because
we have kind a lot of things in the air.
We also have to hold Sanji thing going on, and
I just would like to hear what you think we're
going next, or like, what's it about to happen?

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Yeah, that's the question, because like I am so bad
at predicting this. A lot of the time, the show
will really duke left when I thought for sure we
were going right, And you know, it's like sometimes I'll
be glad because I'm like, oh, I thought this was
going to take longer, And then sometimes I'll just be like,
I don't care about this other thing? What are you doing?

(01:22:44):
And honestly, as much as like I'm into finding the
phonyglyphs and finding the one piece I've I have very
little expectation of ever actually finding it, It's fine for
me to totally back burner that for now. I want
to deal with soanjy please, I really want to figure

(01:23:05):
out what the hell's going on there Soanji. This bru
is a disaster, Like how we're gonna have to deal
with big Ma. I don't know what this woman that
he's allegedly supposed to marry is going to be like.
But I have to imagine it's like we're gonna make
her purposely terrible. It's so up in the air for me.

(01:23:28):
It could be either we're going to make her this hideous,
horrible monster that he can't even look at and it's
too awful a fate to imagine. Or she's gorgeous and
nobody wants him to marry her because it's gonna cause
him to leave the straw hats. But and he's like,

(01:23:51):
of course I won't marry her. I don't want to
leave the straw hats. And then as soon as she
walks in, he's like, fuh, I'm gonna marry this shit
out of that woman. So oh, it could really go
either way. I feel like the second one feels more
Soani Like it feels like if we're when we're with Oda,
what we're doing is as much nosebleed material as possible

(01:24:15):
with Soanji, you know, so that like, I probably want
to go that way, and I would prefer it to
like the inevitable. Oh isn't she fat and ugly? Because
you know, but yeah, who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
It would be more difficult to get him back, wouldn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:34):
Mm hmm?

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
I mean, or we get like what's it called, a
new crewmember like his wife and replace him.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Oh my god, Oh my god, I didn't even think.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
You thought, like replacing me, not like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
I thought replacing him, which I I love, but like,
oh my god, I hate it the idea of.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
I don't know why I hate it so much, Like
it's not having a new crew member isn't necessarily a
bad thing. We've had people added, and sometimes they've been
added and it hasn't fucking mattered, Like where's JIMBEI if
there was a whole thing with him being a crew
member and this fucking guy we haven't seen.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
And you know, so yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
It could be that sort of thing. Yeah, we get
a new crew member technically and then we fucking never
see her again. You know, it might be nothing, but
and she might be cool. She might be cool, and
I'll be like, oh, yeah, Adder is a crew member.
She's read, you know, like he just doesn't have a
great track record with writing women characters that I like.

(01:25:54):
It doesn't happen that often you know, yeah, it's not impossible, but.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Mm hmm h yeah, no, that's I mean, your next
course is sany in that case, like like you're wishing
your prediction or like, yeah it is Sangie at the moment,
and I totally understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Yeah, I really just I want to find out more
about how he wound up where he is because I
wonder that from the start, whose child is this? And
so that is the part that's really like at the
moment on my mind. And yeah, I don't know, man,

(01:26:43):
I I just don't. I don't care about treasure. The
friends are the treasure. We lost a friend, you know,
that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
No, hey, I totally see that. Was there anything else
I wanted to ask? Well, in general, did you enjoy
these episodes? I think I didn't even ask the beginning,
so I'm asking now that's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Funny, Yeah I did. I I just like, because you
know how this is where every time I cover with
a co host, I know, okay, these episodes are going
to be significant. So I started off thinking that it

(01:27:30):
was going to be Riiso that was the significant part.
Rights is that the name of the ninja? Yeah, Riiso.
I thought that was going to be it that it
was like, we're getting introduced to this character and so
he's the thing, you know, and I was sort of like, huh, okay,

(01:27:53):
he's not what I would think would be a big deal,
but let's wait and see, you know, And then the
ponyglyph reveal, I was like, oh, this makes more sense. Okay, good.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
So it wasn't that it was not You're right. I
wasn't like not enjoying it to begin with, but I
was genuinely sort of like confused about it, and then
it all became clear.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Yeah, Okay, I'm excited for like the next episodes as well.
And yeah, I'm really excited to see where and I
know where the journey will take us, but like your
your takes of the journey, I'm exciting what you have
to say for the future arts that are coming. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Yeah, I'm really really curious because this has gone in
a direction that I wasn't expecting in terms of like
the crew getting separated from just one person. This doesn't
happen very often. You know, we have like everybody sort
of has their moment, I guess, but I'm trying to
think because like you know, we have Nami and she

(01:29:04):
gets separated from the crew right at the beginning because
it turns out she was lying about who she was.
And we have oos Up who separates because he decides
he doesn't want to be part of things anymore, and
then reconsiders, and we have Robin separating because she, you know,
thinks that she shouldn't be with them and brings harm

(01:29:25):
on everybody around her. So a lot of them, they
have their their moments of like going off on their own,
and I'm curious about if every single one of them
is going to get this or not. I don't mind it.
I do think it's like it. It's just interesting because

(01:29:47):
the dynamic of the of the group changes when one
of them is gone. So it's just sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Yeah, I feel like it's long. It kind of makes
say for the characters and for the story, Like this
really feels like Sanchi did not really get kidnapped. I
mean he got, but you know, like there is like
a whole different layer to it where it kind of
seems like that he went on his own accord, you know.

(01:30:17):
And yeah, and yeah, they're like layers or like different
layers to each character. And like for example, Usups was
like deeply layered with like he's self low wing, you know, like, yeah,
it was so much strong packed. So yeah, photo us
that from time to time, and I feel like every
time he pulls it off, and oftentimes some of the

(01:30:40):
best words comes out of that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Everybody, Yeah, I agree with that in particular, was like
that one got to me real bad. It got to
me because I like felt so bad, and then it
got to me because Zoro being like that bitch was
an asshole. You can't just let him come back, And
I was like what and then oh shit, he's right.

(01:31:03):
So that one I really really like. That's like maybe
my favorite. All right, all right, we have to wrap
this up. But yes, thank you so much for joining me.
I really really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Thank you for having me. I enjoyed my time here,
and I'm always I don't know, I think I already
have booked another one, honestly, I'm not sure, somewhere in
November maybe, but I am always enjoying my time being here.
And I hope people are not sick of me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
No, nobody's sick of you. I'm sure every time people
are like, oh thank god, she's got a co host
this time, it's not just her droning on alone. Do
you want to plug anything before you go?

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
Not at the moment. I'm deep in my master's right now,
so that's all my time goes into that at the moment,
So I don't know. Wish me luck for that, guys,
and wish me luck for the next leg six months.
We're just at the beginning of my friends, Good luck,
good luck.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
I hope that I can help by being in the
background when you're doing stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Thank you you are you awful are and it helps.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
All right, guys, Thank you all again for listening. Hope
you're enjoying the coverage, and until next time to balloon motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
That was an unspoiled Network podcast.