One Piece, 777-779

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These episodes are the ones where we find out that there's going to be a huge summit with a ton of important figures coming together for the first time in years. I'm assuming this is also the thing where Sanji's wedding ceremony is supposed to take place, and I'm hoping that some folks I didn't care for the first time around will have grown a bit more loveable with time.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is an unspoiled network podcast. This is spoil Me
covering one piece episodes seven seventy seven through seven seventy nine.
To the Reverie, Princess Vivi and Princess Shira Hoshi to

(00:24):
the Reverie, Rebecca and the Sakura Kingdom. Kaido returns an
imminent threat to the Worst Generation. In these episodes, there
is a big event called the Reverie that we are
heading for, and everybody that we have met along the

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way seems to be showing up. I am pretty interested,
to be honest, in what all happens here, because it
is going to be a gathering of a lot of
different names. Welcome to Welcome to the show everyone. I

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am Natasha. Thank you very much to Florian for commissioning
this episode. So I was a little bit when I
started this episode seven seventy seven. I took a moment
because I wasn't sure if this was going to turn
out to be something that was like a filler episode.

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The fact that it was like having to do with
Vivi and it seemed like we were suddenly making a
big departure from the storyline that we had been following.
I went and like triple checked the listing on the
spreadsheet that Florian gives me because I had a moment
of like, oh wait, maybe I'm supposed to skip these. No,

(02:06):
I'm supposed to skip the next three apparently. But it
makes sense that I felt that way because we were
sort of jumping off of where we had been and
into a whole new situation. And like I said in
my intro, I'm actually pretty excited about this. I'm this

(02:29):
is one of my favorite things about One Piece in general,
I think, and I definitely see how if I feel
this way after only having watched things the one time.
It has to be a major thing for everybody who's
watched this series a bunch of times. But anytime that
you have characters that you've gotten to know over the

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course of a long arc, and all of a sudden,
after literally years away from them, they show up again,
it's just fun. Even if you don't really like the
character a lot, you're still kind of like, hey, what's
going on? You know. It's sort of like running into
somebody that you know you went to high school with,

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and even though not necessarily not like a school bully
or anything, but just somebody that like you didn't really
get along with or hang out with necessarily, but then
you run into them at the grocery store and you're
sort of like, oh shit, what are you up to
these days? Because it's just such a blast from the past.
You know. Luflorian is in the chat and says, there's

(03:32):
a lot of recap and I don't know how in
DEPTHY want to go with it. I leave it up
to you. And also, it has been so long, so
a recap is not too bad at this point. Yeah,
so this is something that I also wanted to touch on.
So first of all, I I was saying, you know,
going back and seeing people that we have not seen
in a while, I do just find fun. And it's

(03:53):
so funny because like I cannot, I can't explain to
you guys how wild the timing seems to be for
me landing on these episodes when I am because I
know that y'all didn't plan this on purpose, but it's
just for the episode where Viv shows back up after
literally years, to be like the day after we see

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the first trailer with our Viv in the live action,
the day after I have a whole conversation about how
I really don't see it for viv at all. It's
just a really weird coincidence, you know. It's just very
funny to me. So I had just been saying I

(04:40):
don't really like viv that much, and I fucking stand
by that shit, guys. I will say, though, I still
felt a little bit of like, oh, check her out
when I saw her again. And I will also say
that the way they are having viv behave this little

(05:02):
glimpse that we get of her, this is a viv
that I like. This is not a viv that I
felt like we got much in the previous arc though,
So honestly, I found VIVI much more likable this time around,
and I was sort of like, huh, maybe I'm like

(05:24):
not remembering very well, and then then we get the
flashbacks and I really quickly went nope, nope, I was
right to hate her. I have realized something. And this
is not even a slight on Vivy specifically, although it

(05:44):
was particularly annoying with her. I have an issue with
characters in One Piece that cry a lot, and it
is not about the crying it so well, I really

(06:04):
really hate the way that voice actors have to portray crying.
Most of the time. There are some exceptions where it's
genuinely emotional and they are trying to get across that
somebody is actually in pain. And in those cases where

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it's like a specific kind of acting, I can get
behind it and it can be affecting. But due to
I think the nature of anime in general and how
incredibly exaggerated a lot of people's reactions to things are
in a way that doesn't work. A lot of the time.
For me, crying on this show is like ninety percent

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of the time, so fucking annoying, and I have just
begun to like really realize that it's the sound of
the voices when they make the crying sounds. It's just
really faky and gets very high pitched and like it's
like a dental drill. Two. Usually it goes on for

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way too long, because frankly, a lot of the crying
is fucking filler, and it's just drawing out like a
moment that otherwise we could have been done with this,
but no, instead, I have to listen to this person
cry for like eighty percent of this one minute long story,
and it just takes forever for them to get to
the point because we keep having to pause to cry.

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And also, so that's one and two three is a
lot of the time, the characters who do this a
lot are women. Now, it's certainly not always the case.
We have a lot of characters that are men who
do cry a lot of the time. Also, I am

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not by any means saying it's mostly women, although it
probably is mostly, but like by a smaller margin. But
I think that because there are so few female characters
that are kind of like major characters that I really like,

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when they wind up getting sidelined with a lot of crying,
I find it particularly annoying because I feel like you're
squandering an opportunity, to an opportunity to make her actually
interesting in some other way. And you know, the crying
that happens with other male characters is almost never just

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they are super emotional, period, and that's what they are
as a character. It's usually like a combo of things
where they're super emotional because they take their honor very seriously.
For example, if we're going to do like Momenoskui's fake dad,
what is his name, Keinemon, you know, he cried a
lot when he told the story to them, but he

(09:09):
cried a lot, and it's like something that felt like
it points to a particular character aspect for him, whereas
somebody like Shira Hoshi, crying is like literally all she
does and it's such a thing that Luvi has to
make her promise to fucking stop it now by no means.

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And am I trying to say that viv is as
bad with the crying as Shira Hoshi, because anybody knows
shiro Hoshi is the worst, the absolute worst with this.
I still kind of weirdly liked shira Hoshi in a way,
even though she was super annoying in this fashion, there
was still something about her that I found kind of amusing.

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But I think that, like VIVI was my first exposure
to the princess type character in this universe that winds
up pigeonholed in this role, and I think I found
it really difficult with her because it was like we
were being told on the one hand that she was

(10:19):
actually kind of badass, but then it was like nothing
and she would cry at the drop of a hat,
and we in the flashback get to see this moment
where she's like yelling at Loofy about how she doesn't
want to watch anybody die. But she's beating the shit
out of him, and I couldn't help but laugh, because
usually the I don't want to watch people die is

(10:39):
coming from a place of like, I prefer non violent action.
So her just absolutely going in on him. It feels
like this isn't exactly in the spirit of what I
thought this would be. But in the end, when it
turns out to be, as we are reminded, is him saying, Okay,

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so you don't want anybody else to die, but if
you die fine? Is that what you're saying that your
life just isn't really worth anything and it's not a
big deal if you wind up dead. Because I don't agree,
I don't think anybody else would, And that I liked
as a conclusion because I wasn't drawing that conclusion. I

(11:26):
think that Florian, you're definitely right about like it has
been so long, so a recap is not too bad
at this point. I think you're one hundred percent right.
This is the sort of thing where to a degree,
I'm not really sure how much I'm going to say
about a lot of the recap because I've said what
I'm gonna say about it to a certain point, but

(11:47):
it is interesting to like look back at it and
see how different certain things feel on the other side
of them. I think that probably part of me was
a little too hard on viv at the time, But

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I also hadn't really understood how long some of these
arcs were going to wind up being, so I think
that was part of the trouble for me back in
the day, was like, you know, we're doing the Alabastas
storyline for the first time. Everything is taking a long

(12:27):
time to progress, and in that time where it's feeling
already pretty drawn out, we have this girl that keeps
crying and wailing and insisting that people don't have to fight,
and it just felt like very tedious to me, which
I think is fair. But I also now understand a

(12:50):
little bit better the rhythm of the show and how
much things are drawn out, and that maybe if I
watched it now with this understanding, perhaps you would bother
me as much as she did the first time. I
don't know, Maybe she would bother me just as much, genuinely,
I don't know, but I feel like the way that

(13:13):
Vivi is being portrayed now to me seems to be
a lot more as Yeah, Florian is in the chat
and says, maybe she changed, but she does feel more free. Now, Yeah,
that's exactly it. There's just an ease to her and
a sort of like lightness to her attitude. And I

(13:38):
think that, you know, the way that it's mentioned by
the other characters who are saying goodbye to her on
the shore, it's like unusual for her to be behaving
this way, and so they are thinking that probably she's
just really excited to be out here doing some pirate
like shit again after so long. And I like that

(13:59):
in terms of it sort of re establishing something that
I feel is what a lot of people argue for
VIVI like in her favor, A lot of people talk
about her being daring and doing something really risky for
the sake of Alabasta and her people, and all of

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that is like factually true, but I just wasn't feeling
it from her character. And so having this moment of
her being really eager to get out on the high
seas and doing like somersaults and shit off of the
crow's nest down to the deck, all of this was
making me go, Okay, here she is. Here's the girl

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that's like willing to take a risk and capable and
just excited to tear it up a little bit. And
I'm excited about seeing this side of her again. I
just hope, I really hope y'all that we are not
about to have her just be crying again. Please don't

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let us do this. Also, in the flashbacks that we see,
it's the moment of her like yelling for everybody to
stop fighting. And this is something that me and a
friend sort of like argued over a little bit because
they were saying that they found it really moving when

(15:29):
she's yelling for everybody to stop fighting, because she's clearly
having like a mental break that her standing up there yelling,
and how ineffectual it is, the fact that it irritated me.
They were like, well, that's the point, is that she
is losing it, and so she's doing something that's super

(15:50):
ineffective because she doesn't like, she doesn't even have it
together in her own mind enough to look around and realize,
you're not accomplishing anything. Is what are you doing that
she's like kind of lost touch with reality for a
moment because she is feeling so desperate. But I didn't

(16:13):
feel that in that moment and I do blame that
in large part on having her be a character who
cries and wails so much before we reach that point
that by the time we get here and she's crying
and whaling for everybody to stop fighting, I have fucking

(16:34):
lost patience with her and I am not interested. And
her crying and wailing is something that I have begun
to tune out because I find it so irritating. So
this might have been something that really affected me and
might have made me go, oh my god, she's really
losing it. Look at this poor thing if we hadn't
already overdone it by then, but we had, And so

(16:59):
for me, I remember watching that scene and just rolling
my eyes and being like, oh, my fucking god, this
bitch is useless, And like she's not actually useless. She
does accomplish things. I know that, but I just think
that the combo of having to draw things out and

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having her be as repeatedly emotional with this very shrill
voice acting it just wound up sort of shooting that
aspect of her personality that was supposed to be important
later in the foot. I really wish that that had
worked for me, because the way that my friend explained

(17:42):
it and described it. We weren't like watching the episode
at the time or anything, but I was sort of like, oh, okay,
But then when we saw just a moment of it
in the flashback, and that flashback it is by no
means that whole scene, because I remember that shit going
on and on and on, even just that little bit
in the flashback, I was like, Oh, yeah, no, I

(18:04):
get what they meant when they were explaining to me
how this was supposed to hit, but it doesn't. It
doesn't hit that way for me, and I'm in the minority.
I know most people seem to really like Vivi and
apparently this did affect them. So I'm not trying to
say that like my opinion is the end all be all.

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I'm just trying to explain where I'm coming from on
some of this stuff and how I understand the intent
and just why that intent, while a good storytelling intention,
didn't actually seem to like come across. Because it's the
question that comes up a lot in so many properties,

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is like something can sound great on paper, but if
it's not executed, well, all of that shit that you
wrote down on paper, it doesn't ultimately matter, And That's
what I felt like. Anytime that I argued with somebody
about liking Viv, they would bring up a lot of

(19:06):
stuff that on paper made her sound really impressive, but
just the execution didn't get that across. So I'm really
really hopeful that this version of Viv is going to
be a little bit stronger or maybe you know, I
wasn't watching it with a dub back in the day.
I don't know if I went back and watched it

(19:26):
with a dub if I would feel differently about her.
The flashback makes me think probably not. The flashback I
did watch with Dub and I felt almost instantly very annoyed,
So I am going to guess it probably wouldn't have
made any difference. But there's like clearly been a lot

(19:47):
of growth with her, and a lot of time is
meant to have passed, and I'm hoping that, like I
will start to see it for her a little bit more.
There's also, you know, the whole series was a lot
more in its infancy back during that arc, and maybe
Oda would go back and change some of the ways
that he did things back then. I don't know. But

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my friend, when she was describing that scene where Vivi
is at the top of the bell tower or the
clock tower, and she's yelling for everybody to stop fighting.
She said that apparently Oda cried while he drew that
panel in the manga, and I felt so sad because,

(20:30):
like he obviously was really affected by the story he
was trying to tell, and the manga's a different thing
than the anime, granted, so maybe if I read it
I would feel differently too, But it just made me
really sad to know that this was a story beat
that was clearly really important to him as a person

(20:53):
and a writer, and that I just instantly was so
impatient with it. It's a bummer, you know. I don't
want to feel that way about something when the when
it meant so much to the original creator. I just
hate knowing that it didn't work for me at all.
And I'm not harmless, guys. She can get to me

(21:16):
on this show, like we have seen it, So it's
not an issue with like the medium itself or anything
like that, but it's just whatever was supposed to happen
there just didn't for me. But yeah, I I'm looking
forward to things with her, just because I'm wanting to

(21:39):
shift my opinion, And I'm really curious, Like the thing
that her father says is that he wants to know
potentially how his family was involved with the Ponent Glyphs.
And I think he's sort of wanting to because if

(22:02):
it's the Ponent Glyphs, I feel like maybe there is
some uh information he's looking for about the Lost Century?
The what is it that that it's called? You guys,
I feel like that I called the Lost Century in
my head, but I feel like the Void Century? Is
that the way that you guys say it? Which I

(22:23):
know that like researching that is meant to be illegal,
but that sounds sort of like what he is asking
to me. So I don't know if he realizes like
how dangerous that question is, or if he knows and
he's just telling the people closest to him, but he's
not planning to like be real public about it and

(22:43):
gonna be more discreet I am. I'm just really curious
about like why he even wants to know, Like he
must have suspicions already about how they were involved, So
what's uh, what's up with that? How? Oh are they
involved in this? I'm very curious myself now. Also the

(23:08):
flashbacks with Chopper. I, first of all, guys, am so
surprised anytime I see the old animation of Chopper. It's
honestly the way I am with the old animation of
Loofy as well. The other characters have this too, but
I feel like with Chopper it's really particularly extreme Chopper

(23:29):
and Loofy, where they look genuinely so much younger. It's
funny they shouldn't, but they really do. Chopper in particular,
I'm just like, oh my god, he baby, he had baby.
And when we did the flashbacks, you guys, I remember

(23:56):
being kind of puzzled at Chopper's whole arc back in
the day and just sort of being like, but this
guy's like committing medical malpractice, and this woman who's taken
him in is a dighead to him, and he drank
a poison even though he knew it was poison, Like,

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what are we doing? I remember having all of these
emotions in response to it, and kind of not trusting
my own reaction, I think. And when I went back
and watched this flashback, all I could think was, No,
you were right, you were right. This is Banana's, I

(24:40):
think pretty much everybody's origin story in the show that
becomes a straw hat. I think they're all pretty fucking compelling,
and they make you feel like rooting for this person

(25:02):
except Chopper. Choppers is the only storyline that I am
like every step of the way. He was treated so
badly by the people around him and gas lit so much,
and I am supposed to feel like emotional about him
finally leaving the island when I was just like, yes,

(25:23):
get him away from these maniacs. And then there's the
whole thing with like the cherry blossoms and him like,
you know this, this whole pink shower that happens that
makes him cry, but it isn't actually cherry blossoms. It's
just them doing a thing that's like symbolic of it.
But and all of that just I I couldn't stop

(25:49):
but like giggling to myself and being like, this is,
if anything, worse than I remember. Sanchi's backstory is so great,
Like Zorro, are you serious? Not that we know who
his parents were or anything, but Zorro's like one of
the first moments of coverage for this show that I

(26:11):
really went, oh shit, we're doing something, you know. Zorro's
was hitting Nomy's backstory. Look, I may feel the way
I felt about her fake mom refusing to deny her
and then losing her life, which I thought was a
stupid move, but I won't pretend it wasn't like an
emotionally impactful moment. And the whole way that she gets

(26:37):
like continually ripped off by our long even after completing
the seemingly impossible challenge she gives her and everything. And
then what's going on on Oosup's island with there being
this this other baddy who has like bade his time
for years. Everybody has got these really awesome challenges that

(27:02):
they have to overcome and these tragedies and everything, you know,
And then there's Chopper and what is it The baddie
on his island is a dude who like eats park
benches and shit and is just like he can't even
really take him seriously, and that guy isn't like the

(27:27):
whole thing with Chopper's backstory and him eating one of
these devil fruits and then turning into like this weird
hybrid creature because the story sort of starts there. We
don't even really have like family for him either, so
it's just this weirdo doctor that's out here doing experiments

(27:48):
on people without their consent. All of this whole thing
is nonsense, and he deserved so much better. You guys.
I'm not big into fan fiction, but this is one
thing where I wouldn't be a verse to going back
and rewriting his intro arc and having something else set

(28:10):
up for him, because Chopper deserved so much better from
literally everybody. And maybe that's part of why I have
the affinity for him that I do, and I feel
like protective over him the way that I do is
just I feel like Chopper gets the shit under the
stick from the very start and it never stops. He

(28:33):
just keeps getting like sidelined or being made a joke
and even down to like only being worth two hundred
berries or whatever. I mean. I take offense to that.
I am offended, So I think that's part of it.
It's just like Chopper just deserved better. Florence says, Yeah,

(28:55):
that arc beside Chopper did not work for you. Yeah,
and like the the flashback did not help. So but
I agree Flaurian that, like it has been so long
that I needed to watch them. I agree that we
shouldn't skip them. And uh, I think it was the
right choice. And you know, there's all kinds of other

(29:16):
people that are turning up. Woppole is the name of
the guy who like ate everything, and he winds up
there's a whole thing with him, guys, and that he
was making toys out of some of the stuff that
he had been eating previously, and so he winds up like, uh, accidentally,

(29:39):
it seems, inventing a new alloy of metal, which gets
him all of this money. I'm not entire because like
it seems like he's king of something now and he
had been king before of Drumad Island, which is now

(30:02):
I think Sekura Island. I don't know. I guess just
by being rich enough, he wound up being king again.
But so he's like ruling somewhere else, and I don't
He marries Miss Universe, which is what he calls her,
and like you know, in our universe, Miss Universe is

(30:24):
the is a title that we give to the winners
of this particular contest. But I don't think that's what
she is. Like for a moment, I did, I thought
that he was saying, check it out, I got to
marry Miss Universe. The winner of the pageant, and it

(30:46):
wasn't until a little bit later that I was like,
hold up, wait, no, I don't think that's it. I
think that actually it's her name, which, honestly, I kind
of love the idea that you just like decide, you
know what. I think, I'm just want to call myself
in this universe. I wouldn't mind doing that and just

(31:08):
bringing people up short a lot. I think that would
be kind of funny. But yeah, this whole thing with
marrying her because now he's successful and has money so
he can get the hot wife. Ah, it's sort of
funny because again, this is not a worthy villain, and

(31:29):
I stand by the fact that this guy being the
batty in Chopper's arc is sort of nonsense. However, I
think I might be able to get behind him being
like potentially a reformed batty, or at least somebody who's
like being a batty isn't like all he does anymore.

(31:54):
Maybe maybe he's just begun to see that there are
advantages to diversifying your portfolio, so to speak, and now
that he is making other alloys, he'll get up to
a mischief if he has to, But it's not really
the way he because he used to just be a
menace out on the countryside, eating whatever he came across,

(32:17):
you know, And I do find that very funny still,
that this was his thing. Was just that he like
ate stuff. What a weird decision for us to have,
but you know, sure why not? Florian says, Frankie has
talked about this metal before, so Odin knew what was

(32:38):
happening in the background. Yeah, King buy money. And then
he says, Stephen Universe. What do you mean, Florian with
Stephen Universe? Oh, with the last name Universe. I'd never
even thought of that, but you're right. Stephen's mom, were
she not who she is, would be Miss Universe, which

(33:00):
is very fun. I didn't even think of that. That's good.
So this whole thing with him showing up like probably
he's still going to be a bad guy, but I
would find it kind of interesting if he weren't, because
he's just sort of weak as a bad guy in
general that I think maybe going in a different direction

(33:21):
with him might be more fun. I will also say, y'all,
I was fully thinking that maybe we would get either
Mister two or Eva, and that they would be showing
up to things and neither of them shows up, so

(33:41):
I don't know. You know, it seems like everybody who's
coming to this thing is pretty much a legitimate government
endorsed leader, and so probably these guys don't qualify, you know,
and so that makes sense, But I will not lie.

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I was sort of hopeful despite that, because we haven't
seen them in a minute, and I miss their vibes.
They just added a sort of like sauce to things
that I've been missing a little bit in this past arc.
I feel like maybe, as we see a little bit later,

(34:27):
Carrot is supposed to provide that sauce now, but I'm
sorry about it, Carrot, it's not really working. I'm gonna
jump over to Carrot briefly and just talk about what's
up with her, because I was right, and she decides
that she is going to stow away on the sunny. Also,

(34:51):
there is like this whole thing that we find out
because she had looked at these bananas in a very
considering way at one point, and I wasn't really sure
what was going on there, And it turns out that
she uses those bananas to bribe the little monkey guy.
Now I don't know what this little monkey guy's role

(35:11):
officially is but it seems like he's just meant to
look out and watch everybody and just keep track of
all that's happening. And uh, I don't want to demean
him by just saying he's the town busybody, because I
don't think that's fair and I don't think that's quite accurate.
But it's like not not accurate either, do you know

(35:35):
what I'm saying. So he the fact that he gets
paid off means that they the people back on Zoh,
don't know that she stowed away either. So when she
turns up missing, what she had told the monk was like,

(36:01):
just don't tell them until I'm gone, pretty much, just
let me have a little time to make my get
away and then tell them whatever you want, but just like,
let me get enough time to you know. And when
she turns up on the sunny, I was actually a

(36:25):
little surprised because I thought that, Okay, first of all,
one thing, the fact that Frankie isn't going with them,
when you really step back and look at it, is
fucking insane. I just want to address that out of
the gate, because when I really stopped and thought about it,

(36:47):
I was like, this dude built this whole ship. There
have been things like functions of the ship that like
the whole crew, but Frankie didn't even know about. So personally,
I feel like Frankie should absolutely be going with the
soany rescue team because if anything happens to the Sonny,

(37:12):
if we need any repairs, which we wind up needing
quite soon, we have got to have somebody on hand
that can actually do that shit and who can use
the different functions of the ship. But I suspect that
he wasn't sent with them on purpose so as to
make it that there any repairs that they do need

(37:33):
are that much more urgent because they don't have Frankie
on board. It just is the kind of like manipulation
of events that makes it all feel a little bit
more contrived. You know. I think that were our friends

(37:53):
really taking a moment to decide how they were going
to play this, they would definitely select Frankie to come
with them themselves. But whatever, So, I'm so sorry. I
just saw Florine in the chat and out of context,
it's just the comment they added the gay and I

(38:14):
realized after a moment that what you were talking about
was mister two and Eva. But I for a second,
I didn't know what you were talking about, and I
was like, they added the gay? Where's the gay? And
now I see? I'm sorry, so Carot. When I was
saying that, I was surprised. What I mean is I

(38:34):
actually kind of thought Lufy was going to be more
excited when she turns up than he is. He's a
lot more like, what the fuck are you doing here?
How could you do this? He's so like the more
the merrier, I'm just gonna roll with it. Usually that

(38:57):
I genuinely was caught off guard by how upset he was.
And it's not like a big deal upset, but it's
enough that it caught me by surprise. And I think, guys,
like I'm trying to decide how I feel about Carrot

(39:20):
as a character. As a character, I can't decide yet,
and I'm going to reserve judgment. I'm gonna try and
be like, you know, cool about it. But there's a
part of me that's worried because it feels like we're
trying talking earlier about how like mister Tu and Eva

(39:43):
brought a certain vibe to things, as Florian says, the gay.
It may just be that they brought the gay, but
there was a sense of chaos with them that still
felt like it was rooted in something good. It was
rooted in a person who was like trying to do
the right thing or wanted friendship or wanted to defend
their friend, you know, like that sort of thing where

(40:04):
despite the chaos and maybe them fucking things up or whatever,
there was still something there that I really liked and respected.
But with Carot, it just feels like I just want
an adventure in a way that's so childish that I'm
like already going, ah, girl, fuck off, fuck all the
way off. And I recognize that, like she's literally kind

(40:27):
of meant to be a child. So I'm not even
saying that this isn't necessarily bad writing or anything like that.
I just kind of feel like I don't think I'm
gonna like her, and I don't want to feel like that,
you know what I'm saying. I just want to be
able to I resent when female characters turn up in

(40:52):
the show that I don't like, because I think that
a lot of people and the friend that I had
been talking to about VIVI very much responded to like
some of my criticism as if it were rooted purely
in misogyny. Now, I'm not trying to pretend that I
am immune to the patriarchy and to misogyny. I struggle

(41:17):
with internalized misogyny as much as anybody, So I'm not
trying to act like that's not necessarily at all affector.
But what I think is that the misogyny is coming
from inside the house of the show. I think that
Oda has this misogynist streak in how he writes female characters,

(41:39):
and so my response isn't misogynistic. I am responding to
the misogyny in the writing, and I think that's like
a different issue, And I can understand the accusation, and
like I said, I'm not going to try and wholly
deny it. But there's just a certain energy to the

(42:04):
women in this series a lot of the time that
feels so consistent that I can't ignore it. And I
don't want to feel this way. So there are women
characters that will turn up and I'll get excited about
and I will try, Like Rebecca, I will hold on
to this illusion that someday, eventually she will be cool

(42:26):
for so much longer than it deserves, because I have faith.
And then it just doesn't come to anything. So I
just I want to acknowledge this because you know, I
saw the way that I was internally reacting to Carrot
and how much I was like almost right away going ugh,

(42:50):
you know, and so I stopped myself and was like, oh,
what is that? Am I being shitty? Is that a
me issue? And upon reflection, I don't think it is.
I don't know. We'll see, and it's certainly possible that
like I will grow to like her. You know. It's

(43:11):
I may not feel the way that I do now
the whole time, but the way that she is introduced
is like a difficult thing. Because anytime that somebody just
doesn't consult with any of the folks that they are
about to wildly inconvenience and insert themselves into a thing,
I always feel a way about it because I just

(43:31):
don't appreciate that kind of behavior in life either. So
there's a point where, oh my god, I forgot the
tiger's name again. You guys have told me so many
times Pedro? Is it Pedro? But she's like, he says,
we got to turn around and go home, and she says, no,

(43:53):
you can't. They'll be so mad at me, and he's like, oh,
so you'd rather inconvenience the people who fucking us then
be yelled at really and I was fucking slow clapping
when he said that, I was like, good, thank you.
This is exactly how I was feeling. Fuck all these guys.
I guess right, you just showed up, like eventually we

(44:14):
run out of food. And it has nothing to do
with her, but I definitely had a moment of like,
you don't even know if they have provisions enough for
another person. And then we find out that she didn't
even know how long it was going to take to
get where they were going. She thought it was gonna
be like a one day trip. And that also I
was just like, oh okay, somebody throw her overboard. I
can't deal. I can't take it. She wants this big

(44:34):
adventure and she literally knows jack shit about anything. Ah,
I'm tired already. Sorry. Florien says, oh yeah, that is fair.
Oda is not perfect. He is sometimes better than other Mangoka,
I keep forgetting that. That's what's When you wrote that,
I was like, what is happening with that word? But

(44:55):
now I see yeah, and this is what I hear that,
Like you know there's a definite misogynist problem with manga
in general, so I believe you when you say that
oftentimes he is better about it, but when the bar

(45:16):
is so low, sometimes that's just still not enough. H
And Pedro is his name, Okay, thank god, I can't
believe I actually remembered it. I'm just gonna try and
remember Pedro Pascal because he's the hot one, because you know,
he is a tiger guy. But like low Ki, I
would still hit it, so you know, it's fine. But yeah,
this this whole thing with Krot, like she just throws

(45:41):
this chaos, everything into chaos by appearing, by not being
prepared in a lot of ways, and then we have
this other thing going on. It's so weird. It starts
off with like Chopper being really tired acting and Nomi
giving him instructions and acting really tired, and I had
a moment of like, oh no, what's going on? But
then it turns out that all it is is them

(46:03):
sort of reacting to Loofy jumping off the side of
the elephant with them in his arms, and that they
all had this trauma that they're still recovering from, which
actually I found really funny as like a concept of
them just being like because Loufy is starting to get
irritated with them, and it's like, hey, guys, snap out
of it, and they're all just like, we wouldn't be

(46:24):
acting like this if you hadn't just jumped off the side,
And I was like, you know what, I sort of
like that. There's like a weird consequence to that. I
found it oddly satisfying somehow, I don't know. But the
thing that we wind up really having to deal with

(46:47):
is we don't have a cook and so loofy, we
get this wonderful moment. You guys, I love this so much,
Like after having given Oda a bunch of crap about misogyny,
I will say, right here, this isn't one of those

(47:08):
moments I thought it might be for a second, but
then it's not. So everybody is like trying to look
around and see who's gonna do the cooking and not me.
Finally says, well, if none of you are going to

(47:30):
do it, then I guess I have to. And I
really did have a second of like, oh fuck this.
Of course the girl has to cook, okay, And then
she starts walking toward the kitchen and she says it's
going to be five thousand berries per head. I almost

(47:54):
cheered out loud. I am not exaggerating. This is the energy. Okay.
If we are going to be expected to do the
fucking labor, then yeah, I saw the best TikTok the
other day. For those who are not aware of this stereotype,

(48:16):
and I will call it a stereotype despite the fact
that in every relationship I have ever been in it
has been true. There is a stereotype that men never
know where anything is and that women always know where
everything is and have a really good memory for that

(48:38):
sort of thing. Now, I'm going to be real. This
is not because men and women have totally different brains.
It is because women are socialized to be more responsible
from earlier in their lives than men are, and they
are socialized to also never expect a safety net of
another person who is competent to be around, and so

(48:59):
there is a pressure to get it right because they
don't have anybody else who is going to get it
right if they don't get it right. So let's just
like put that out there right away and acknowledge that.
So setting this aside, that stereotype has been in my
life dead on, every single time I have been in

(49:22):
a relationship, I have known where ninety percent of our
positions are in our home, in what drawer or what
cabinet or at the very least what room, And the
men I have been with do not. And there was
that TikTok where this woman was demanding five dollars every

(49:43):
time somebody asked her where something was in exchange for
finding it for them and handing it to them. And
the best part of the joke is not just that
she holds her hand out and they give her money
and then she shows them where it is. It's that
half the time the thing they're asked looking for is
literally in frame with her, and that if they were

(50:04):
paying the least bit of attention and making the slightest
effort to find the thing without just asking her, they
would see it four inches to the left of her elbow.
There it is. But they don't, because that is how
it is. When you are a woman who has shit
on lock. People stop putting in the most basic effort
because they know you have it. And it's really dangerous actually,

(50:27):
because then if that one person is taken out of
commission somehow, everything goes to shit because nobody has and
there's no backup to that person. But in the moment,
I was just cracking up because I'm watching this video, like,
if I did this, I would be absolutely wrecking the
budget because it would all be going into my pocket.

(50:49):
And so NAMMY's response of sure, I'll do the cooking,
but you will pay me for that, I was so
here for it. I cannot overstate it. I was so delighted,
you guys, genuinely like applause, standing ovation, great moment. So

(51:11):
they all decide I would rather not pay shocker, and
Loofy decides that he's going to attempt the cooking. I'm
just gonna say it, y'all deserve what you wound up getting.
I am so sorry, but you let Loofy cook. That's

(51:38):
on you. What you wind up with, and the fact
that all the food is gone your problem. I'm not
even mad at him, Like I'm mad at him in
a general way, but I am not actually mad at him,
because nothing about him as a person has ever suggested
it would end up any other way. Ever, this has

(52:00):
always been what he is like. He has always anytime
he's tried to cook, it has been a complete disaster.
He has no sense of portioning things out or having
there be like a rationing system on anything. So when
he winds up cooking literally all the food they have
because he's made so many mistakes, Yeah, that sounds right

(52:25):
to me. And frankly, I don't think you guys get
to complain. And you know, he gets distracted because we
find out that there there's a whole other moment which
we'll get to, but you know, he gets distracted with
this news because Patro is reading the paper and there's
information in there about the resistance army, and that results

(52:52):
in Loofy leaving the kitchen and leaving the burner on,
which causes a huge fire and a bunch of damage
to the sonny. And again, you guys have nobody to
blame but yourselves. It's louviy Man. Don't give him any

(53:12):
job that takes sustained focus of more than ten minutes,
I think at max, unless it's fighting, Like that's the
only thing that he seems to be able to focus
on for more than ten minutes at a time. Cooking
requires so many particular skills. It requires understanding of flavors,

(53:37):
it requires a sense of timing, which it's weird because
you would think I would be really bad at that
because I have time blindness and I can be but
when it comes to cooking, the steaks are so high
for me because one I love food and two I
hate waste. So I really managed to dial in when
it comes to that. And also it just takes actual skill,

(54:01):
which he doesn't have in the physical act of cooking
a thing. So yeah, the whole thing, it's that they're
on the high seas with apparently no food. Now, there
had been a moment where Brooke is showing Kara around
the ship and he points out the fish tanks and

(54:23):
he says, like, these are the aquariums for fish we're
going to eat, so it's sort of like a pantry.
I'm assuming Lufy must have cleaned that out too, right, Like,
even if he did, though, they're on the ocean, so
there's gotta be fish, and just don't let him cook them.

(54:45):
They won't be super tasty, probably because it seems like
he used up most of the seasonings and everything. But
you know, you're on salt water, so just he's a
little salt on that fish and you should be mostly okay.
That should be all right, So let's really briefly back

(55:05):
up and talk about him realizing that his dad is Dragon.
You guys, this is so weird. It's like and everybody
has the same reaction that I do. So I kind
of appreciated it because at the moment of it happening,
I was sort of like, hold on, and then it seemed, oh, okay,

(55:27):
this is all on purpose, I see. But I definitely
was a bit lost for a second. But yeah, Loofy
is uh. He's been like given all the information to
connect the dots about who his dad is, but never
did it. So in this moment, it's the first time

(55:50):
that he's like really understood who his father is and
the significance of his father's position in the army, the
resistance army. So that's wild because I just have been
operating this entire time on the assumption that he knew,

(56:14):
and it never even occurred to me that he didn't.
I'm not really sure how much this changes. It's it's
sort of it's weird, it's interesting, and it's sort of refreshing.
And I have to admit, Loofy isn't a person who

(56:34):
cares that much it seems about meeting his dad. When
I say it's refreshing, what I mean is a lot
of characters in fiction who either don't know their parents,
or there's like a history there that they weren't aware of,

(56:57):
or they didn't grow up with them. A lot of
their story, understandably is centered around them wanting to meet
their parents, wondering who they are and what they're like,
and wishing that they had grown up a different way,
that things had gone a different way, and all of

(57:17):
that has it. But like I said, it makes sense,
but it feels like, for me, kind of uninteresting after
a while, just because so many characters, especially in like
ya stuff, haven't got parents that if you have them,
all be driven by that sort of motivation. You do

(57:45):
this trope over and over and over again, and it
just gets kind of boring. And when you are somebody
who has parents, you kind of like you can't relate,
you know, you're just sort of feeling like, yeah, yeah,
you're sad about parents, right enough, because especially as like
a little kid, it's it can be very hard to

(58:06):
relate sometimes when it seems like somebody has a preoccupation
with something that you just take for granted. I like
to think that as an adult, I've gotten to be
a little bit more empathetic than I was, but I
still can get kind of impatient with that trope. I'm
not going to lie, And this for me was very

(58:28):
much like giving that. The moment of him just being like, oh,
that's my dad, It's like he's not he has not
cared who his parents are. Really he it's not like
he feels nothing about the concept of family, because his
relationship with Ace obviously meant so much to him. So

(58:51):
I'm not trying to pretend that it's like, you know,
not a factor in his life or anything. But the
press question who is my father? Where is he it's
obviously not been pressing for him. He hasn't really cared
all that much. And I'm sorry, but I find that

(59:14):
genuinely sort of hilarious that it's just he didn't he
Now that he's found out, he's startled and he is
a little interested, but it's lufy has had his own
concerns and his own plan for getting on with his
own life, and the idea of his parents and who

(59:35):
they are and where they came from and what they
might be up to genuinely never even bothered him for
a second, I sort of love it. I am not
gonna lie I sort of love it. I just think
it's like a it's not surprising really when you know
who Lufy is and understand the way that he like

(01:00:00):
just disconnects from reality frankly a lot of the time.
You know, if I had stopped and really thought about it,
this shouldn't have surprised me because he hasn't talked about
his own father ever, so probably I shouldn't have been
caught as off guard as I was by this, you

(01:00:22):
know what I'm saying, But I can't help it. I was,
and I liked the fact that everybody else is like
in the same boat as I am, because I don't
even know, Like I said, I don't know what this
changes now that he knows, is this going to like
is he going to want to suddenly change course and
go find his dad? It doesn't seem like it. I mean,

(01:00:47):
the whole thing is like this island is part of
the situation that blew up right and his dad like
they're I'm trying to remember exactly what that you call it,
what that headline is that we see, because I'm scrubbing
through the episode trying to find the moment, and I

(01:01:08):
am I think on the wrong episode because I think
this happens on the second of the three episodes. I
might be wrong about this. Oh no, no, it isn't
the third episode. Let's see. Oh I also want to mention, like, so,
let's see, you didn't mention that, what kind of family

(01:01:30):
are you this? Nami? So wait the dragon guy beside
him here, Yes, that's your father. You remember what your
grandpa said two years ago? Right, And Lufy, that's my dad,
this guy and I've never seen him Loofy's dad's the

(01:01:51):
boss of the Revolutionary Army. So cool. And Robin keeps
like rubbing her face against his. She keeps doing gars you.
She's also chewing on his ear a lot and like
yanking on it. So oh yeah, here's what. She starts
chewing on his ear. I guess this is supposed to
be a thing with like just how rabbits are nibbling

(01:02:12):
on stuff all the time. But it is a really
weird character trait to put in there. And yeah, Lufy
just like steps right past this and then says, I
hope that Sabo's okay, And so I don't think that,
like it really does matter to him or changes anything.

(01:02:32):
Now that he knows who his dad is, it just
seems sort of oh, really, well, you know, and then
like moving on, which I'm I'm not mad at, but
it is funny. The hideout is blown up, thank you, Florie.
And that's right because we saw the moment that what's

(01:02:53):
his face was like hiding and telling people where the
island was that he had accidentally washed up on the
shore or something. I don't even remember how that happened,
but I remember the scene. So the last part of
this that I haven't touched on yet, I think is

(01:03:16):
just sort of the end of this episode where we're
with Kaido who's getting drunk. And honestly, this scene was
just like a real weird one. So Kaido's getting drunk
and there's like a very frankly uncomfortable dynamic going on
here where his men are tiptoeing around him, very worried

(01:03:43):
because when he drinks, his mood dramatically changes, and so
they have to be cautious on whether or not he's
feeling like an angry drunk or an emotional drunk or whatever.
And also whatever that is can change on a dime.
It seems like when I say it's an uncomfortable dynamic.

(01:04:07):
I mean that, like, if you are somebody who has
grown up around a person who drinks, who has these
sorts of mood swings, it's not funny. It's genuinely kind
of upsetting. And so the way that this is treated
as though it's like a bit of a joke just

(01:04:27):
didn't really hit for me. But I confess that that's
because I don't personally feel like this is something to
joke about. It's just I am oversensitive about it, and
I acknowledge that it's just something that you know, at
times you are not able to have a sense of
humor about certain things because of how they affected you,

(01:04:49):
and this is one of those things for me. And
the whole thing with him is just basically focusing on
how he wants to get back at the worst Generation
and how angry he is at the way that everything
with do Flemingo's plan just like blew up, and he

(01:05:12):
is blaming the worst generation in general for that. And
then we see that he's got kid like tied up
and the dude just like bleeding and has been beat
up clearly, And it's sort of odd because this dude
didn't have anything to do with it as far as

(01:05:32):
I remember. But he's apparently just kind of blaming this
whole generation for his own difficulties, and so the logic
doesn't appear to really be playing that much of a
role in this when it comes down to it, And yeah,
I just I don't I'm really curious, you guys, how

(01:05:59):
many of y'all out there were like caught up in
this whole thing with Kaido, Because if I'm being real,
I find kind of I find kind of I was
gonna say kinda and I put them together, but I
find kind of kind of boring already, and I'm worried

(01:06:21):
about it because it seems like he's going to play
into things a lot, and if I'm already just sort
of over it, then I feel like that doesn't bode well.
So I'm just sort of hoping that like, once we
get there, I will care a little bit more, or
once we get there, there will be other people factoring
in that sort of add a little bit of flavor

(01:06:42):
that we don't have yet, or the steaks will be
enough to sort of keep me interested. But as of
right now, we have just seen so many very big,
very strong, tough men who are practically indestructible, even though
it's being emphasized that nothing can kill him in a

(01:07:05):
way that's supposed to set him apart. Nobody dies in
this universe anyway, so it's really hard for him being
indestructible to matter because it seems like mostly everybody kind
of is unless they are in a flashback or ace,
you know, So like, I just can't really care. And honestly,

(01:07:29):
like we even see in this group of episodes that
Jack is still alive at the bottom of the ocean,
and I don't know how that's supposed to be working.
Why is he still alive? He should drown. Apparently, if
you eat a devil fruit, you drown, That's just it.
So why is he alive and waiting for somebody to

(01:07:50):
come get him? Why isn't he just drowning? Which makes
Kaido being indestructible feel a lot less impressive, because like
Jack's also fine, you know, I don't know, Florian says
he is half fish man Jack is I'm sure that

(01:08:17):
we must have found this out at some point. I'm
just not remembering it. But he's a mammoth. How is what?
I I believe you, Florian, we see it by his teeth,

(01:08:38):
says Florian. Okay, this is ringing a faint, faint bell,
all right, So the mammothing is a devil fruit, so
he is a fish man that ate a devil fruit. Okay, okay, fair, okay,
But I still kind of feel like this stands. You know, Jack,

(01:09:05):
the SmackDown got laid down on him so completely and
he's fine, just waiting for somebody to come pick him up,
like it's uber. I feel like Kaido is gonna have
to have a lot more going on for me to
care and think he's like a fun villain. So I
hope you bring it, Kaido. That's all I'm saying. We

(01:09:25):
need something more from you. All Right, I'm gonna wrap
this up. But uh, it was honestly kind of fun
to not have a lot of like plot to get
through with these episodes and just be able to talk
about the flashbacks and stuff again. And I am interested
in where we're going with Reverie. So the next three

(01:09:45):
episodes are filler. That is skipping that I'm skipping, but yeah,
after that, we're back on track again. So all right, everybody,
thank you well again so much for listening. Thank you
to Florian for commissioning this, he says, this was fun. Yeah,
I'm very glad. I wasn't sure how I would go,
but I liked doing this one so and I will

(01:10:09):
see you all again soon with a new episode. Until then,

(01:10:43):
that was an unspoiled network podcast.