October 14, 2025 • 57 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is an unspoiled network podcast. This is spoil Me,
covering one piece episodes eight hundred through eight oh two.
The first and the second join the vin Smoke Family,
The Benefactor's Life, Sonjy and Owners Zeph and an angry
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Soanji the Secret of Germa sixty six. In these episodes,
Sonji's family really sucks. Ass just keeps showing new levels
of sucking, from bullying to creating soldiers out of science
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to bullying. It's just I really want him to take
these guys down. Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the
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show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you. I believe it's
Bernadette for commissioning this episode. Apologies if I got that wrong,
I'm going to go double check now. But yeah, this section, guys,
First of all, I'm just going to acknowledge that, like
we get a replay of Sanji's whole storyline, which is
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a little bit of like unnecessary. I I have Oh sorry,
Florian says eight hundred. You only have like three hundred
and fifty episodes left till you're caught up. Do you
make three hundred and fifty eight podcast episodes, Florian? Or
three hundred and fifty TV show episode. I actually haven't
been keeping track of like how many there are. Seraphim says,
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I believe you mean science. You need the emphasis to
make clear it's mad science fair. I'm gonna do science
in quotes TV show episodes. Oh shit, Okay, so wow, Yeah,
I'm very close to being caught up. Very interesting to
see what it's like to be caught up because I'm
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gonna be able to go into like fandom spaces a
little bit, not a lot, because like, I'm pretty sure
the show is going to immediately outpace me having caught up,
But I wonder if that will draw like new listeners
and stuff. If I'm now caught up and able to
fully be spoiled, I imagine I'll still have to like stay
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out of the spoiler free discord and everything like that.
But anyway, so okay, let's begin with I'm gonna just
talk about Loofy first because frankly, what's going on with
him is kind of the least interesting. And this isn't
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really shade because this is a good section. It's just
more everybody else has got like new information being revealed
or being able to flex in a different way, and
he's the only one that's kind of just doing what
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he always does, which is fight, fight, fight, And there's
nothing wrong with that whatsoever. But you guys know that
for me, mostly the action sequences in this show are
what I find the least interesting. I am much more
into the story and character development, or if Lufy does,
like learn a new technique or something, that will be
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an exception. But usually it's just a lot of smashing,
and it's not that different from the other smashing that
we have seen many many times. The only like, the
main thing that I will say in favor of the
difference here is because the people that he are fighting
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are these cookie people. I think that it's kind of
fun to see him smash as much as he does,
and then it sort of goes nowhere. You know, he's
doing what he normally does, but because he isn't fighting
your average enemy, it doesn't work out as it would
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with people they are. I won't say it's resilient, the
word I want when they do like break apart, but
they can basically get put back together again pretty quickly,
pretty easily, and so breaking them isn't actually accomplishing anything.
It's just slowing them down and it's causing Loofy to
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use up a ton of energy for nothing, so he
winds up in this place where he has to literally
like go sleep because he has spent all his mana.
Is the way that I think of it. He has
used up all his manna and he needs time to recharge.
He doesn't have any potions or food to eat. Honestly,
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I kind of wonder if he couldn't eat some of
his surroundings maybe and make up for some of this
lost energy. I don't know how that works, but it's
a lot of like him yelling at this guy, punching things,
posturing this guy posturing right back, and it feels it
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feels like there's going to have to be a difference
in the way he decides to approach things, because this
is clearly not the method for this particular enemy. But
Lufi isn't really known for being adaptable, so I genuinely
am not sure what it is he's going to do.
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Even if he gets all his energy back, even if
he wakes upt fully charged, Nami has managed to buy
him all this time. If he goes through it again
the same way he has been, it's not really going
to be better. You know, I don't know. There's no
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point in just jumping back into the fight with the
same methodology. So how will he change it up? Or
how can he change it up? Now here's my approach,
And you guys, I may be way off base on this.
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This might not work, Okay, I acknowledge this, but I
will say that I want it to be explored just
to verify that it won't work. I want Lufy to
eat the enemy. I want him to eat all the cookies.
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I want Lufy to give in to his gluttonous nature
while facing off against an enemy literally made a food.
And I want to see if that, if there is
like an unlimited supply of cookie, will this guy get
worn out himself by having to produce more and more cookies?
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Is that possible? Does that wear him out? Because I
don't think no matter how many cookies this man produces,
I think it's gonna be a while before Loofy starts
to get sick of eating too many cookies. We saw
him eat a cafe like granted, not the whole thing,
and he had help. But like you know, I just
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think that it's likely that could be effective. It would
also keep up his own energy and potentially could be
like an effective method against other enemies that have like
food based weapons. And I I just I know that
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there's the possibility that this guy there's no limit to
how many cookies he can make. It's possible that he,
you know, if Lufy were to try this, this guy
would just keep sending cookies at him until eventually Loofy
was overwhelmed. Anyway, And yes, possible, But I keep imagining
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that episode of The Simpsons where Homer gets sent to
Hell after making a deal with the devil for a doughnut,
and then he winds up in how because he's paying
the price for the donut and the punishment that he's
being given is being force fed donuts, And eventually the
demon in charge of force feeding him is like, Okay,
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anybody are we is this guy isn't getting tired of
eating these? Should I keep doing this? Or I just
see Loofy being very similar of like there's not a limit,
He'll just keep going. Especially when he was eating a cafe,
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he was just eating. But this would be eating and
fighting and thus burning off some of that energy. So
it might be that he winds up not actually getting
full because he's simultaneously burning the calories. Again, I don't
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know if this is how things work in this world,
but I think that could be pretty fun to watch.
At least even if it doesn't wind up work, I
think it could be cool. So that's that's my little
suggestion Slash Druthers for Louvi's pov. So, and now let's
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talk about what's going on with Nami, Because Nami winds
up like kind of swooping in right around the point
where Lufy begins to lose his energy, and she has
to draw this guy off and give Loofy time to
hide and rest, and she has to convince all of
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the homies. I still can't get over that that's what
they're called guys, genuinely, Like, I don't know, it's just
so funny. But she has to convince them repeatedly to
do what she says by brandishing the viver card of
Big Moms over and over and over again. And I'm
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gonna be honest, I just don't really like this whole thing.
I think it's very like tenuous her having this kind
of power over them. It just doesn't really make a
lot of sense to me that, like if they were
worried that she could somehow hurt Big Mom because she
has that viver card. Maybe, but I haven't seen evidence
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that that's really what this is. They're sort of behaving
as if anything she says is coming through Big Mom
and that and the way she's framing it is like,
if you don't do what I say, you're going to
get in trouble from her. But she's telling you to
do the opposite of what Big Mom gave you orders
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to do, so logically this doesn't really make any sense.
And I think that if we had seen that the
viver cards represented essentially I'm speaking with this person's voice
before now, maybe I wouldn't be so hung up on it.
But it just feels like we're suddenly reckconning that this
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is a thing in order to give Nami some power
in this situation, and it just doesn't really feel legitimate.
It feels like we didn't know what else to do
with her, and so we're gonna have this vivercard thing
actually give her power over these beings. It's just not
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really like, it doesn't make sense to me. It's not
hitting for me. I don't like it, so just you know,
I wanted I should mention that like last episode, I
think right before I went on my birthday week break,
I was saying that there was nobody in the chat,
and it turned out later it does there was somebody
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in the chat, and our chat was just malfunctioning, so
I couldn't see it. Once I ended the thing, I
could see the chat, of course, So there were people
trying to explain the whole thing with that. Like Big
Mom imbued her a piece of her soul into the
viaver card, I feel like it wasn't established that this
was something that viver cards could do. It doesn't make
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sense to me that the homies are worried about getting
in trouble with Big Mom for not doing what Nami
says when she's telling them to do the opposite of
what Big Mom's orders were. The whole thing feels like
we're retconning how viver cards work because we didn't have
a plot line for Nami, and we need something for
her to do, and we need to give her some
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kind of power, and this was what we came up with.
The viver card thing obviously was supposed to have been
planted back when we met Lola, so I don't think
it actually is a retcon, but it hasn't really been
established rat like adequately in my mind that this is
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ever how they work. So this being pulled out now
as some sort of leverage against these creatures, it fel
very sudden and silly. It just doesn't really like I
don't even understand why Nami would know that this is
how it works, you know what I mean, She's she
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pulls it out in this way that feels like there's
immediate understanding for her that, oh, everybody here is behaving
in such a way because I have this and is
really confident in the way that she's wielding it. And
I don't get why she is like even putting it together.
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That's what's going on here because I don't know it
just it doesn't work for me. And the fact that
they are, like like I said, worried about getting in
trouble when they are doing the opposite of what they
were told to do by Big Mom herself. I don't
get that either. You know. The whole thing is and
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like Serafrum says so on the favor card thing, this
is likely not a usual thing, but something unique to
Big Mom due to the soul so fruit right, it
slipped out on accident at first, then she saw the
homies reaction and was quick to exploit it. Yeah, I
guess it's just I don't know, guys, it's not hitting
for me, and I think that also. Another part of
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it is it's very repetitive, you know. It's her telling
them to do things, them insisting they can't do it,
and then her wielding the card and being like did
you forget about this? Even though she just wielded it
and said did you forget about this? Literally ten seconds ago,
And she's just doing that over and over and over.
It's just not really interesting, you know. So overall for me,
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everything that's going on with Nami and Lufy is like, wait,
by far the most boring part of these three episodes.
It's just like, punch punch, punch, punch punch. I'm tired.
Loofy and Namy do the thing. We won't do the thing?
Do you forget? I have the thing to make it?
Do the thing we forgot? Yeah, we will do the
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thing ad nauseum, you know. So anyway, that's that's that.
With that, it's fine, let's talk about Sony and his family.
So we get a refresh and I say it refresh,
It's not really, it's like a full on. We see
the whole scene again of Soanjy on the island with Zev.
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Is it Szev, guys, I've already forgotten his name, but Zef,
thank you, Florien. We see that whole scene, which, honestly,
I am always puzzled with this show on how they
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determine what we need to be completely refreshed on and
what we don't. There will be characters that we saw
one time one hundred and fifty episodes ago in a
minor scene and they kind of won't remind us where
they're from and just expect us to remember. And then
there's things like this where we have to see the
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whole scene again, as if we would ever forget how
this went down because it's incredibly memorable and important to
this character. Of course we didn't forget, you know. It's
just weird. There are so many times where you guys
have to be like, oh, yeah, we met this person
here here, and I'm like, oh, and I have no
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recollection and the show doesn't remind me when it's a
ripe moment for them to exploit the need for patting.
And then there are things like this where I'm like,
nobody doesn't remember how important zeph is Tsanji. Nobody. There
isn't a soul who doesn't remember that. Come on, it's
also very funny now that you guys have like told
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me about what was originally meant to have happened, the
fact that like, he ate his leg in the manga,
but they softened it for the TV show and had
it be that it came off due to an injury.
It's so weak sauce that they decided to have it
be an injury from trying to rescue Sanji. It's really pitiful,
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Like there is no other explanation for how he's still
alive with having no food for that whole twenty days.
There's no other explanation except that he ate his own leg.
And the reveal after Sanji just said, you have to
have been eaten eating something and then you see that
his leg is gone. Obviously, it's just a weird thing
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to have him say you had to have been eating something,
his leg is gone, and then we flashed back to
the thing getting yanked off in this in like underwater.
It doesn't make any sense. And the fact that they
thought people couldn't handle. It is just laughable. This show
is full of all kinds of crazy violin. Why don't
we draw the line here? It doesn't make any sense
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to me, frankly, Like this is the thing that we
think is so taboo that we can't you know what
I'm saying. It's just weird. So anyway, this whole thing
is like brought up because they are planning to use
zeph as leverage to make Soanji do what he's told.
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And I really just don't see a better method for
controlling Sanji. This is pretty much it. It's that Eggman
who is the one who brings this information to Sonji's father,
and he tells his dad Judge like, this is his weakness.
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I thought that for the sake of you needing to
keep him in line, I needed to give you some
kind of ammunition. And yeah, it's I just don't really
see how Soanji overcomes his feeling of obligation to these guys,
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to this guy. And I can't help but wonder if
this is going to be the reason why he winds
up marrying Pudding after all. Like, just for the record, everybody,
I know I've said it already, but I'll say it again.
I am pro Sanji marrying Pudding. They are a great match.
She's adorable. She loves to cook also, but she cooks
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different things. And I get that he doesn't want to
do this because of what it would mean for the
straw Hats. Whatever. We'll figure out a way around that.
We'll find a way to deal with that later. But
I for the just the principle of the marriage itself.
I think they would be delightful together. So if he
were to go through with it, I'm down. You know.
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It's just that I do get his look, even if
it weren't for the whole uh, I need to keep
Big Mom from like basically either taking over the straw
Hat Pirates or taking me away from the straw Hat Pirates.
Even if that weren't the thing, I would understand not
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wanting to marry her simply out of principle of them
telling him what to do, because I am also that
kind of subborn you know, I am a person who
really doesn't respond well to being forced into anything. I
am going to be very very salty and uncooperative, even
to the point where I wind up like injuring myself
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in some way. I know that it's not a good trait.
I really am aware of it and try and fight it,
but I can't help that that's how I feel. And
so if it were just the fact that, I mean,
I'm not gonna do what you want me to do,
even if that were it, I would respect it. I
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really kind of would. But all things considered, his hang
ups about it are valid and understandable. I just really
I wouldn't mind seeing what it looks like for Sanji
to not only like be with somebody permanently, but also
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to be with somebody who has the same like interest
that he has, you know what I mean. There's something
about both of them being into cooking that I think
is just adorable, and I would I would love to
see the two of them on the sunny, him making
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dinner and her making dessert, and the way that they
would behave with each other. I think it would be adorable.
So it's just uh, Saraphim says, yeah, it makes sense
to you, like Rioka in regard to the wandering in
which I made a thread in the discord, because I'm
listening to the audiobook in my downtime, And yeah, I
said that. I said that in the discord that like,
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I relate to Rioka just being obstinate for the sake
of it. I completely get Rioka as a character fundamentally,
and her like simmering rage all the time. I get
that too. I don't have the same reaction with it
as she does, but I get it. So yeah. Uh.
The scene that we start off with is him with
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his family sitting down to a meal, and the first
thing that he says to one of his brothers is
finish your meal, don't waste that food, and his brother
says something about how the sauce that is made for
this for topping this meal is disgusting and he's not
going to finish it, and Sanji instantly like gets in
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his feelings about it. And it's sort of funny because, look,
if this were being written a different way, I understand
that what we're doing is we're having characters act very
much in character and very obviously in character for the
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way that this story is told. But if we were
going to actually be smart about this, what we would
do is have sanjy unwilling to let it show how
much it bothers him, and he would be he would
say something about it, maybe, but he wouldn't be. So
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what he does is he gives his siblings an opening
because he shows them what bothers him, and they are
able to then zero in on oh, here's obviously a
way to get under his skin, and his brother whinds
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up not only arguing about how like, no, I'm not
going to finish this, but then he calls the chef
into the room and beraates her in front of everybody
and then throws the plate of food at her, and
Soanji manages to interpose himself to keep her from getting hit.
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But it's really like for him the very last straw,
He's like, it's one thing for you to be arrogant
and wasteful, and it's another thing for you to hit women,
Like what the fuck is wrong with you? And clearly
his brother is just like, how can you give a fuck?
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That's what it comes down to in all of this.
At one point it's sort of weird. His brother says
something about, how ever, since you were a child, you
have thought in a way that was completely inexplicable to
the rest of the family. But then his father holds
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up the picture of Zef and is like, I think
this is the guy who like corrupted your mind, and
I kind of wanted somebody to point out you just
said he's been like this since he was a kid,
though you literally just said that, so obviously you know,
and what it is is, I'm holding this guy up
because I'm threatening him to you know. But it was
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just that bit of dialogue that I kind of felt
like I thought we all had just established that he
has been like this since he was a child, So
that doesn't that doesn't make sense as an explanation either way.
I don't, like, I have no doubt that they would
be able to take down Zez. They know exactly the
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restaurant name, and even though he's far away. It's really funny,
guys to think back, how do you guys feel sometimes
when this show does a when you start over and
you look at the fact that, like finding a map
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to get into the Grand Line was in the beginnings
of the show considered practically taboo, and then you get
here in the story and it's like everybody from all
over knows everybody, no matter where they are. It doesn't
really seem like anybody is out of reach or out
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of sight. There's just something odd looking back at like
the grand line being so off limits from the perspective
of people who aren't in it, and then now to
how like it's a huge chunk of the world and
for so many people to just be like nobody goes there.
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Apparently fucking everybody goes there. What do you mean? But anyway, this, uh,
we have a scene a little bit later where the
chef she is like by herself in I think a
library or something, and she is thinking about Sangy, imagines
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him and then thinks to herself as if which was
a funny little bit and I was just like, oh shit,
because her having a crush on him. So you guys,
I know that I know that like cartoons, it's gonna be.
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We've got different like language, so to speak, in terms
of the visuals to indicate when somebody is a trek
and when they're not. But the whole way that it's
played with this chef is that she's really unattractive. She's
called homely by one of Sanji's brothers, and like the
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only thing different about her as compared to any of
the other girls is the way that she's got freckles
that seems to be it and like she's drawn without
real like kind of lipsticky lips, if that makes sense.
A lot of female characters they're drawn with lips that
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are very exaggerated into different color and make it look
like they have makeup on, and this girl doesn't have that.
Plus she's got like the freckles, and it's just one
of those things, like I am somebody who is super freckly,
and I don't think that you can like necessarily see
it too much on camera, But I have a lot
of freckles, and I just grew up with freckles being
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the shorthand for somebody being unattractive my whole life, and
it bothered me so much, like it really bummed me out,
And seeing it here is very funny because like she
looks otherwise identical to all the other girls. You know,
we've seen this this artist draw ugly women, but they
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didn't do that with her. Sarah Fim says, I think
the homely thing is just them being assholes. Disagree, if
only because her looking in the mirror and then thinking
about Soanjy and saying as if to me is the
story itself, being like she doesn't think that she could
get with him because she's ugly and we're showing her
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how ugly she is because she's looking in the mirror
and just like, oh my god, I can't stay to
look at myself. I think it's very much like canon
that she's meant to be unattractive, but you know whatever,
it's just I just want to register how funny it is.
It's a similar thing in some ways, like any particular
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woman in this series being meant to be super attractive
when she also looks just like everybody else. And yes,
I'm looking at you, Bo Hancock because you just look
like Robin pretty much like you know. But yeah, so, uh,
Seraphim says, I think that's more a station thing. He's
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a prince, she's just a I disagree. She's looking in
the mirror. She's literally looking at her reflections. Seraphim like,
I don't think it could be more clear that it's
about her appearance. That's just that's just how I'm interpreting that.
It feels very much like it is about how she looks.
She is looking at a reflection of herself, like that's
just shorthand, you know, but whatever. So anyway, this uh
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for her? His brother Neon Blue, is that his name
Electric Blue comes in, and he says something about how
she has gotten a big head because she's been defended
by Sanji. Maybe she's starting to think a little too
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much of herself. And so he cracks his knuckles and
we get like a zoom in on his hands as
he's cracking his knuckles, and then the camera pulls away
and we see Sanji walking down the hall toward that
very room. And I was so ready for this to
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be some kind of really awful sexual assault thing. This
show hasn't done that before, but I really feel like
that's sort of the subtext here is probably that she
was not only beaten but sexually assaulted, you know what
I mean. It just has that kind of tone to
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it of like he put her in her place. And
I don't think that the show is actually having that
be what happened, but I feel that as part of
the like head cannon, you know what I mean, that
maybe we're not going to go that far because of
this being geared more towards a family friendly audience, But
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that feels to me like very much the energy of
the scene, you know, And when he comes in, I
had thought she was going to be dead. To be honest,
I kind of had a moment of just like, oh
my god, did he kill her? And I should have
known that he didn't, but she looks so still when
she's on the floor when Sonji comes in that I
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genuinely was like, oh no, And Soanji I have no
idea what he's going to do now, because like he
can try and like nurse her back to health and
protect her, but he is restrained in a very literal
sense from being able to help her in a material way.
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I mean, where can he put her that they wouldn't
find her? What can he do that they won't be
able to intercept and stop him from doing? I genuinely
can't imagine how he I don't know. So I appreciate
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the position that he is in with wanting to help,
but there's also a part of me that feels like, bro,
maybe you should just leave her alone, because it seems
like the more involved you get, the more they are
going to target her because they know it bothers you,
and you just are giving them a target to zero
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in on. You know, I don't believe that he means
to do that at all, but that's just in effect
what is happening by him focusing on her, so anyway,
the uh the there's another scene then after because you
know he's coping with this whole thing, and his other
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brother comes in and it's just like, you're the one
who is basically you were the one who brought this
on her, and if you have a problem with what's
happened to her, maybe you should learn to keep your
mouth shut, and then says you should come with me,
and he brings Sanji with him down into the basement,
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which Sonji comments on the fact that I've never been
down here before, and he says that we weren't old enough,
like while you were home, we hadn't reached the age
where it was okay for us. But now I'm going
to show you something. It's sort of funny in a way,
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how uh, how cavalier he is about showing Sanji this
like family secret. I guess I don't like correct me
if I'm wrong, guys, but it seems like nobody knows
this information that this is secret? Right? Am I wrong
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about that? If I'm wrong about it, then it kind
of changes up my feelings on the scene. But if
it is a secret, there's a feeling of maybe you
shouldn't show this to somebody who has said repeatedly how
much he doesn't want to be part of this family
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and how much he detests all of you. If you
want this to stay secret, my friend, this is not
the guy to fucking like unload this information onto. But
he does. He tells him everything. And we see that
these soldiers, which like there have been plenty of soldiers
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around that we've seen, are just regular people because they
don't look like the guys in these tanks. So I
think that it's like a mix. We've got some people
who are citizens and they're regular people, born in a
normal way, and they are simply being trained, and then
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we've got people who are literally like test tube babies
and they are built to be similar to other really
powerful warriors. And it's uh, sort of it's very much
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treated like, oh my god, this is so hideous, and
like it is it. It's a sort of a weird
place that I'm in because this family is such garbage
all ready that adding this on top of everything isn't
even making me feel any different about them, you know
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what I mean. They're so despicable in their whole attitude
about everything that I am unchanged, utterly in regard to
what I think of them, because they already you know,
them practicing this sort of thing. Yeah, this sucks, but
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also like they are treating their own citizens so badly that,
you know, making them human shields, that I just don't
have any change in expression essentially when this is revealed. Honestly,
I think that it's because I'm living in the age
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of Marvel, where everybody is trying to generate like superheroes
and super soldiers and whatnot in all properties that this
kind of big reveal is played at this point in
twenty twenty five. This isn't a criticism of the writing
or anything at all. It's just like the nature of
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what happens when a certain type of fiction just becomes
really popular and so you get sort of inured to it,
and yeah, so there's just this feeling of like don
dun Dune, and I was just like, yawn, Yeah, so
you guys already suck very much. This does not surprise me,
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you know what I'm saying, especially considering that they evidently
want to team up with Mama, who's got Caesar Clown
working on another thing for her that's like about manipulating
human bodies and making them more like what she wants
from them. If they're willing to make regular people into
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human shields and they are willing to throw in their
lot with Mama, who is as controlling as she is,
all of this is just a piece, you know. But yeah,
so let's jump over quickly to Carrot and Chopper. They
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come up with a really fun idea that I liked
a lot because there was this whole thing in the
last episodes of how they're locked in this mirror world
and they're looking around trying to like figure out what
exactly is going on, and there's all of these like
spiraling walkways and other mirrors, and it's Chopper who finally
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like puts it together. Oh, I think that all of
these are mirrors in other places that we can like
step out of, or not necessarily step out it, but
at least look out of. And thus, maybe if we
go to the right room where there is a mirror,
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and if Sanji is in there, we're going to be
able to like signal him somehow. I don't know if
Sanji would be able to step into the mirror world
with them. It's clear like they're not able to get
out of that world. So if he did step in
with them, I don't know if it would be good
any good, because the only person that could evidently let
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them out again would be the witch. And we saw that,
like breaking the mirror doesn't let them out. Breaking the
mirror doesn't hurt them, They're fine. But the mirror itself
isn't the trap they It can be broken and they
still are trapped in there, so it has nothing to
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do with that apparently. So the question becomes, what's the
point Even if you can find and you can wave
to him like, hey, we're inside this mirror, if he
can't climb in there with you, then you need to,
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like what give him a message that you guys are
looking for him and he knows that you're on your way.
He has to know. And they don't have like pen
and paper. I don't know if they can hear each other.
I am just wondering, like, if they do manage to
find him, what exactly are they gonna do? How are
they going to you know what I'm saying. I just
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don't know what to expect in that regard. So, yeah,
I will be curious to see it. But I do
really like the idea of being between places with mirrors
to travel. I've always found this whole concept to be
like really unsettling and always interesting. This is something that's
also in uh Doctor Strange, not Doctor Strange, Oh my god,
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Jonathan Strange and mister Noral right is the name of
the book series if you haven't read it or they did,
I think a BBC mini series on it, and it
was really good. I actually covered it with my now
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husband and it was one of the better adaptations I've
ever seen, which I think is because they decided to
have it be like a series rather than a movie.
But there's a similar thing in there where eventually somebody
learns how to travel like between mirrors, and it's really
fascinating to watch. So yeah, I just wonder exactly what
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the like. I don't blame them for going to look
for him, because what else are you gonna do you're
stuck in here? You know you may as well, But
I don't know what actually this accomplishes. Saraphim said they
would at least know where he is to go get him.
I guess it depends on how good the communication is
on whether they would know where to go get him,
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because like you look out a mirror into a room,
and that doesn't necessarily tell you that much. You can
see what room he's in, and maybe if you can
see out the window, you can see if they're close
to a certain landmark or whatever, if he is able
to write down where he is and hold it up
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for them to read, or if they are able to
actually talk to each other. I think they must be
able to talk, because they were talking out of the
mirror in the woods with Nami, So I think that's
got to be like possible, right. I don't know if
it's different based on like, well, this is the mirror
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that she used to put you in here, and so
you can talk out of that one but not other ones.
But I'm gonna assume it's not that complicated. So probably
they could just talk to him and he could just
tell them where he is, which would be kind of
funny if it turned out that, like communicating him from
the mirror was so much easier that they kind of
didn't want to be let out yet, And what if
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the witch was like gonna take them out of there,
and they were like, no, no, no, wait, maybe you
should just leave me, you know what I mean? That
would be sort of amusing, but yeah, so that's what
they're up to. And I just think that this is
a neat concept and I really like there's a whole
thing with Chopper asking Carrot to call him big brother,
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and she she changes up what he asks to call him,
like chopper bro something like that. Chow bro, I think,
is what she calls in and it feels like Chopper
does not like that art that nickname. Initially, eventually he
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goes with it because she like compliments him while using
that nickname, but uh, and eventually like she keeps using
it and it seems to sort of roll off him
and be fine. But it is sort of funny that
at first when she's like, oh, chow Bro, He's like, what, like,
doesn't really apparently seem to like it, but yeah, you know,
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I just think anytime that somebody winds up getting a
nickname from somebody, unless it's like obviously very offensive, but
mostly I always find it kind of charming. I think
it's cute, so I'm for it. And he's like the
idea of the two of them getting a little bit
closer is very cute, and I just like the fact
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that they are finding a way to be useful. But
like from within their prison. This is a really tricky
situation that they have found themselves in, and they are
exploring and doing something with it, and that is admirable.
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We have a very brief check in with Brooke and Pedro.
Brooke is I think, like pretty much hiding in Pedro's coat,
if I'm not mistaken. It's a weird thing. But it
seems like they're just kind of walking around at night,
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looking about, and there isn't really much actually happening with
the two of them yet. We're just sort of getting
an update on what it is that they're doing to
remind us that they're there. And I do want to
point out that, like, we haven't gone back to the
group that was left with the Oh my god, what
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are they called? The other animal people on the elephant.
I can't remember, Zoe. We haven't checked in with any
of those folks. It's kind of like interesting to me
how the story has gotten a lot more consistent with
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splitting our people up quite far from each other. It's
not it used to be We're going to reach a
location and our friends are going to be separated at
that island from each other, and now it's no our
friends are each going to be on different islands, on
different ships, doing completely different things. I don't love this
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as much as a trend, and I'm curious how you
all feel about it, because, like, in large part, I
understand it, and there have been times where I'm like, Okay,
you know, like this is interesting, but I just feel
like it feels like we're doing this to cope with
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the fact that the straw Hat crew has gotten large
enough that it's become more unwieldy. And to that, I say, well,
you don't need to ask everybody we meet to join
the straw Hats, then oda. You know, we have this
whole thing as well, with fucking Jimbay now wanting to
be one of them. And I'm just like, enough, already,
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we have plenty of members. You already have to split
them up to manage their storylines. Let's just leave it.
Let's just say that we have as many as we
need and let them stick together as a team. I
just don't like being away from one group for so
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long that we just don't get to see them at all,
you know. I I think that part of it too,
is like when we were in Dress Rosa, it was
let's see loofy Robin, Frankie, Oosop, Zoro was Brooke with them.
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He wasn't he was with the ones that went to Zoe, right,
So it feels like basically everybody who was with Lufy
and Dress Rosa got left on Zoe, so that now
we can spend more time with this other group. Of course,
we still have to have Loofy with them. Lufy's present always,
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but I just don't really like the energy of there
being a huge chunk of the crew missing. It's one
thing when we're split up on the same island because
the camera goes back and forth between us and we
get to check in with them, But if we're not
doing that, we're just leaving them out of the story
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entirely for huge chunks, and I don't like it. I
think it sucks. I miss my other people a lot,
you know, Florian says, I have thoughts about the crew splitting.
We are now with all the straw hats who were
not undressed Rosa for the most part. Okay, Yeah, I
think at the end of it all, you can make
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a call if it was worth it. I think there
are pros and cons. Yeah, agree, I mean, granted, it's
just I don't know I I'll be curious to see
exactly how this winds up, for sure, But just like
from where I'm sitting right now, I feel like, again,
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we finally got everybody back together. I was really pleased
to have the whole team, and then we were only
together for like a few episodes, like even when they
reached Oh, other members of the party are still separated
from the rest, and then Sanji leaves, so nobody has
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like the whole crew hasn't been together in a minute
at this point. And I think that the dynamic between
the characters is what makes things the most interesting, and
once you decide to like fuck with that in favor
of plot, I just really am not as interested. That's
just kind of what it comes down to. And I
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know that that's not what interests Oda as much. I
am not in alignment with him in terms of what
I find compelling. I am interested in very different things
in terms of story than he is. So it's something
that I struggle with a lot with this series, where
there's points where I just love what's happening and what
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we're doing and it's full of like weird surprises, and
he just decides to do something truly off the wall
and that sustains me, But then there are long portions
where I'm just like, why did you think this was
what was going to be of interest? Dude? What made
you feel like this was the way? Because to me,
this is the least interesting and least compelling angle to
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come at this from. And I'm curious if, like, anything
about that approach changes or if it's just sort of
this is how he does it forever, because this is
one of those series that I think I would you know,
I'm not usually much of a fan of like fanfic,
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but this is a series where I could see getting
very into fanfic, just because I am unsatisfied a lot
of the time with how much we go into actual
character stories. We go into like people's like history to
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figure out what motivates them, but it is sort of
surface level and beyond that we just see the superficial
interactions a lot of the time, And I would be
very into seeing who these people are beyond the most
surface level. We're friends, we have each other's backs, and
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we like each other. Yeah, but like what else you know?
Because not all of you like each other. We know
sorrow and Soanji don't like each other, who gets along
with who most and where does that come from beyond
just Loofy and Chopper get along because they both like food.
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You know. I just want a little bit more depth,
I think at this point, and in splitting the crew up,
it feels like it's a promise that we're not gonna
get that, and it makes me a little sad. But
we'll see, we'll see. I don't know. I always, as
y'all know, get the most irritated when it feels like
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there is a lot of potential in something that isn't realized.
And I can have that with this show a lot,
not as badly as some things that I have. In
the end just quit watching because I got too annoyed.
But this show, there are certainly moments that I'm like,
either thinking we're gonna go in a certain direction and
we just don't and we do something very boring, or
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we do something that is interesting but we don't go
hard enough into it. And then there are times where
we get something incredible. You know, fucking Senor Pink's whole
thing was the best. It was so great, and the
whole country on the back of an elephant is such
an interesting, weird idea. You know, he can pull things
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out at times where I'm just like, where's this been
the whole time? And you have like such an imagination clearly,
so why do you play it so safe so often? Anyway?
So yeah, this is uh, this might take away in
these three episodes. It's like some highs and some lows.
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It's mostly kind of mid right now. But I've been
enjoying the previous episodes a lot, so I'm hoping that
will pick up again. All right, everybody, I'm gonna wrap up.
Thank you again for hanging out with me in the
chat and bearing with me when I had to restart
because of some weird issues, And thank you Bernadet for
commissioning this one. Until next time to the Loo, motherfuckers.
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That was an unspoiled work podcast
This is an unspoiled network podcast. This is spoil Me,
covering one piece episodes eight hundred through eight oh two.
The first and the second join the vin Smoke Family,
The Benefactor's Life, Sonjy and Owners Zeph and an angry
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Soanji the Secret of Germa sixty six. In these episodes,
Sonji's family really sucks. Ass just keeps showing new levels
of sucking, from bullying to creating soldiers out of science
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to bullying. It's just I really want him to take
these guys down. Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the
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show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you. I believe it's
Bernadette for commissioning this episode. Apologies if I got that wrong,
I'm going to go double check now. But yeah, this section, guys,
First of all, I'm just going to acknowledge that, like
we get a replay of Sanji's whole storyline, which is
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a little bit of like unnecessary. I I have Oh sorry,
Florian says eight hundred. You only have like three hundred
and fifty episodes left till you're caught up. Do you
make three hundred and fifty eight podcast episodes, Florian? Or
three hundred and fifty TV show episode. I actually haven't
been keeping track of like how many there are. Seraphim says,
(02:08):
I believe you mean science. You need the emphasis to
make clear it's mad science fair. I'm gonna do science
in quotes TV show episodes. Oh shit, Okay, so wow, Yeah,
I'm very close to being caught up. Very interesting to
see what it's like to be caught up because I'm
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gonna be able to go into like fandom spaces a
little bit, not a lot, because like, I'm pretty sure
the show is going to immediately outpace me having caught up,
But I wonder if that will draw like new listeners
and stuff. If I'm now caught up and able to
fully be spoiled, I imagine I'll still have to like stay
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out of the spoiler free discord and everything like that.
But anyway, so okay, let's begin with I'm gonna just
talk about Loofy first because frankly, what's going on with
him is kind of the least interesting. And this isn't
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really shade because this is a good section. It's just
more everybody else has got like new information being revealed
or being able to flex in a different way, and
he's the only one that's kind of just doing what
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he always does, which is fight, fight, fight, And there's
nothing wrong with that whatsoever. But you guys know that
for me, mostly the action sequences in this show are
what I find the least interesting. I am much more
into the story and character development, or if Lufy does,
like learn a new technique or something, that will be
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an exception. But usually it's just a lot of smashing,
and it's not that different from the other smashing that
we have seen many many times. The only like, the
main thing that I will say in favor of the
difference here is because the people that he are fighting
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are these cookie people. I think that it's kind of
fun to see him smash as much as he does,
and then it sort of goes nowhere. You know, he's
doing what he normally does, but because he isn't fighting
your average enemy, it doesn't work out as it would
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with people they are. I won't say it's resilient, the
word I want when they do like break apart, but
they can basically get put back together again pretty quickly,
pretty easily, and so breaking them isn't actually accomplishing anything.
It's just slowing them down and it's causing Loofy to
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use up a ton of energy for nothing, so he
winds up in this place where he has to literally
like go sleep because he has spent all his mana.
Is the way that I think of it. He has
used up all his manna and he needs time to recharge.
He doesn't have any potions or food to eat. Honestly,
(05:31):
I kind of wonder if he couldn't eat some of
his surroundings maybe and make up for some of this
lost energy. I don't know how that works, but it's
a lot of like him yelling at this guy, punching things,
posturing this guy posturing right back, and it feels it
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feels like there's going to have to be a difference
in the way he decides to approach things, because this
is clearly not the method for this particular enemy. But
Lufi isn't really known for being adaptable, so I genuinely
am not sure what it is he's going to do.
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Even if he gets all his energy back, even if
he wakes upt fully charged, Nami has managed to buy
him all this time. If he goes through it again
the same way he has been, it's not really going
to be better. You know, I don't know. There's no
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point in just jumping back into the fight with the
same methodology. So how will he change it up? Or
how can he change it up? Now here's my approach,
And you guys, I may be way off base on this.
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This might not work, Okay, I acknowledge this, but I
will say that I want it to be explored just
to verify that it won't work. I want Lufy to
eat the enemy. I want him to eat all the cookies.
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I want Lufy to give in to his gluttonous nature
while facing off against an enemy literally made a food.
And I want to see if that, if there is
like an unlimited supply of cookie, will this guy get
worn out himself by having to produce more and more cookies?
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Is that possible? Does that wear him out? Because I
don't think no matter how many cookies this man produces,
I think it's gonna be a while before Loofy starts
to get sick of eating too many cookies. We saw
him eat a cafe like granted, not the whole thing,
and he had help. But like you know, I just
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think that it's likely that could be effective. It would
also keep up his own energy and potentially could be
like an effective method against other enemies that have like
food based weapons. And I I just I know that
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there's the possibility that this guy there's no limit to
how many cookies he can make. It's possible that he,
you know, if Lufy were to try this, this guy
would just keep sending cookies at him until eventually Loofy
was overwhelmed. Anyway, And yes, possible, But I keep imagining
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that episode of The Simpsons where Homer gets sent to
Hell after making a deal with the devil for a doughnut,
and then he winds up in how because he's paying
the price for the donut and the punishment that he's
being given is being force fed donuts, And eventually the
demon in charge of force feeding him is like, Okay,
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anybody are we is this guy isn't getting tired of
eating these? Should I keep doing this? Or I just
see Loofy being very similar of like there's not a limit,
He'll just keep going. Especially when he was eating a cafe,
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he was just eating. But this would be eating and
fighting and thus burning off some of that energy. So
it might be that he winds up not actually getting
full because he's simultaneously burning the calories. Again, I don't
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know if this is how things work in this world,
but I think that could be pretty fun to watch.
At least even if it doesn't wind up work, I
think it could be cool. So that's that's my little
suggestion Slash Druthers for Louvi's pov. So, and now let's
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talk about what's going on with Nami, Because Nami winds
up like kind of swooping in right around the point
where Lufy begins to lose his energy, and she has
to draw this guy off and give Loofy time to
hide and rest, and she has to convince all of
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the homies. I still can't get over that that's what
they're called guys, genuinely, Like, I don't know, it's just
so funny. But she has to convince them repeatedly to
do what she says by brandishing the viver card of
Big Moms over and over and over again. And I'm
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gonna be honest, I just don't really like this whole thing.
I think it's very like tenuous her having this kind
of power over them. It just doesn't really make a
lot of sense to me that, like if they were
worried that she could somehow hurt Big Mom because she
has that viver card. Maybe, but I haven't seen evidence
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that that's really what this is. They're sort of behaving
as if anything she says is coming through Big Mom
and that and the way she's framing it is like,
if you don't do what I say, you're going to
get in trouble from her. But she's telling you to
do the opposite of what Big Mom gave you orders
(11:42):
to do, so logically this doesn't really make any sense.
And I think that if we had seen that the
viver cards represented essentially I'm speaking with this person's voice
before now, maybe I wouldn't be so hung up on it.
But it just feels like we're suddenly reckconning that this
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is a thing in order to give Nami some power
in this situation, and it just doesn't really feel legitimate.
It feels like we didn't know what else to do
with her, and so we're gonna have this vivercard thing
actually give her power over these beings. It's just not
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really like, it doesn't make sense to me. It's not
hitting for me. I don't like it, so just you know,
I wanted I should mention that like last episode, I
think right before I went on my birthday week break,
I was saying that there was nobody in the chat,
and it turned out later it does there was somebody
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in the chat, and our chat was just malfunctioning, so
I couldn't see it. Once I ended the thing, I
could see the chat, of course, So there were people
trying to explain the whole thing with that. Like Big
Mom imbued her a piece of her soul into the
viaver card, I feel like it wasn't established that this
was something that viver cards could do. It doesn't make
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sense to me that the homies are worried about getting
in trouble with Big Mom for not doing what Nami
says when she's telling them to do the opposite of
what Big Mom's orders were. The whole thing feels like
we're retconning how viver cards work because we didn't have
a plot line for Nami, and we need something for
her to do, and we need to give her some
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kind of power, and this was what we came up with.
The viver card thing obviously was supposed to have been
planted back when we met Lola, so I don't think
it actually is a retcon, but it hasn't really been
established rat like adequately in my mind that this is
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ever how they work. So this being pulled out now
as some sort of leverage against these creatures, it fel
very sudden and silly. It just doesn't really like I
don't even understand why Nami would know that this is
how it works, you know what I mean, She's she
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pulls it out in this way that feels like there's
immediate understanding for her that, oh, everybody here is behaving
in such a way because I have this and is
really confident in the way that she's wielding it. And
I don't get why she is like even putting it together.
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That's what's going on here because I don't know it
just it doesn't work for me. And the fact that
they are, like like I said, worried about getting in
trouble when they are doing the opposite of what they
were told to do by Big Mom herself. I don't
get that either. You know. The whole thing is and
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like Serafrum says so on the favor card thing, this
is likely not a usual thing, but something unique to
Big Mom due to the soul so fruit right, it
slipped out on accident at first, then she saw the
homies reaction and was quick to exploit it. Yeah, I
guess it's just I don't know, guys, it's not hitting
for me, and I think that also. Another part of
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it is it's very repetitive, you know. It's her telling
them to do things, them insisting they can't do it,
and then her wielding the card and being like did
you forget about this? Even though she just wielded it
and said did you forget about this? Literally ten seconds ago,
And she's just doing that over and over and over.
It's just not really interesting, you know. So overall for me,
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everything that's going on with Nami and Lufy is like, wait,
by far the most boring part of these three episodes.
It's just like, punch punch, punch, punch punch. I'm tired.
Loofy and Namy do the thing. We won't do the thing?
Do you forget? I have the thing to make it?
Do the thing we forgot? Yeah, we will do the
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thing ad nauseum, you know. So anyway, that's that's that.
With that, it's fine, let's talk about Sony and his family.
So we get a refresh and I say it refresh,
It's not really, it's like a full on. We see
the whole scene again of Soanjy on the island with Zev.
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Is it Szev, guys, I've already forgotten his name, but Zef,
thank you, Florien. We see that whole scene, which, honestly,
I am always puzzled with this show on how they
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determine what we need to be completely refreshed on and
what we don't. There will be characters that we saw
one time one hundred and fifty episodes ago in a
minor scene and they kind of won't remind us where
they're from and just expect us to remember. And then
there's things like this where we have to see the
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whole scene again, as if we would ever forget how
this went down because it's incredibly memorable and important to
this character. Of course we didn't forget, you know. It's
just weird. There are so many times where you guys
have to be like, oh, yeah, we met this person
here here, and I'm like, oh, and I have no
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recollection and the show doesn't remind me when it's a
ripe moment for them to exploit the need for patting.
And then there are things like this where I'm like,
nobody doesn't remember how important zeph is Tsanji. Nobody. There
isn't a soul who doesn't remember that. Come on, it's
also very funny now that you guys have like told
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me about what was originally meant to have happened, the
fact that like, he ate his leg in the manga,
but they softened it for the TV show and had
it be that it came off due to an injury.
It's so weak sauce that they decided to have it
be an injury from trying to rescue Sanji. It's really pitiful,
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Like there is no other explanation for how he's still
alive with having no food for that whole twenty days.
There's no other explanation except that he ate his own leg.
And the reveal after Sanji just said, you have to
have been eaten eating something and then you see that
his leg is gone. Obviously, it's just a weird thing
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to have him say you had to have been eating something,
his leg is gone, and then we flashed back to
the thing getting yanked off in this in like underwater.
It doesn't make any sense. And the fact that they
thought people couldn't handle. It is just laughable. This show
is full of all kinds of crazy violin. Why don't
we draw the line here? It doesn't make any sense
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to me, frankly, Like this is the thing that we
think is so taboo that we can't you know what
I'm saying. It's just weird. So anyway, this whole thing
is like brought up because they are planning to use
zeph as leverage to make Soanji do what he's told.
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And I really just don't see a better method for
controlling Sanji. This is pretty much it. It's that Eggman
who is the one who brings this information to Sonji's father,
and he tells his dad Judge like, this is his weakness.
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I thought that for the sake of you needing to
keep him in line, I needed to give you some
kind of ammunition. And yeah, it's I just don't really
see how Soanji overcomes his feeling of obligation to these guys,
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to this guy. And I can't help but wonder if
this is going to be the reason why he winds
up marrying Pudding after all. Like, just for the record, everybody,
I know I've said it already, but I'll say it again.
I am pro Sanji marrying Pudding. They are a great match.
She's adorable. She loves to cook also, but she cooks
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different things. And I get that he doesn't want to
do this because of what it would mean for the
straw Hats. Whatever. We'll figure out a way around that.
We'll find a way to deal with that later. But
I for the just the principle of the marriage itself.
I think they would be delightful together. So if he
were to go through with it, I'm down. You know.
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It's just that I do get his look, even if
it weren't for the whole uh, I need to keep
Big Mom from like basically either taking over the straw
Hat Pirates or taking me away from the straw Hat Pirates.
Even if that weren't the thing, I would understand not
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wanting to marry her simply out of principle of them
telling him what to do, because I am also that
kind of subborn you know, I am a person who
really doesn't respond well to being forced into anything. I
am going to be very very salty and uncooperative, even
to the point where I wind up like injuring myself
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in some way. I know that it's not a good trait.
I really am aware of it and try and fight it,
but I can't help that that's how I feel. And
so if it were just the fact that, I mean,
I'm not gonna do what you want me to do,
even if that were it, I would respect it. I
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really kind of would. But all things considered, his hang
ups about it are valid and understandable. I just really
I wouldn't mind seeing what it looks like for Sanji
to not only like be with somebody permanently, but also
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to be with somebody who has the same like interest
that he has, you know what I mean. There's something
about both of them being into cooking that I think
is just adorable, and I would I would love to
see the two of them on the sunny, him making
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dinner and her making dessert, and the way that they
would behave with each other. I think it would be adorable.
So it's just uh, Saraphim says, yeah, it makes sense
to you, like Rioka in regard to the wandering in
which I made a thread in the discord, because I'm
listening to the audiobook in my downtime, And yeah, I
said that. I said that in the discord that like,
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I relate to Rioka just being obstinate for the sake
of it. I completely get Rioka as a character fundamentally,
and her like simmering rage all the time. I get
that too. I don't have the same reaction with it
as she does, but I get it. So yeah. Uh.
The scene that we start off with is him with
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his family sitting down to a meal, and the first
thing that he says to one of his brothers is
finish your meal, don't waste that food, and his brother
says something about how the sauce that is made for
this for topping this meal is disgusting and he's not
going to finish it, and Sanji instantly like gets in
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his feelings about it. And it's sort of funny because, look,
if this were being written a different way, I understand
that what we're doing is we're having characters act very
much in character and very obviously in character for the
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way that this story is told. But if we were
going to actually be smart about this, what we would
do is have sanjy unwilling to let it show how
much it bothers him, and he would be he would
say something about it, maybe, but he wouldn't be. So
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what he does is he gives his siblings an opening
because he shows them what bothers him, and they are
able to then zero in on oh, here's obviously a
way to get under his skin, and his brother whinds
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up not only arguing about how like, no, I'm not
going to finish this, but then he calls the chef
into the room and beraates her in front of everybody
and then throws the plate of food at her, and
Soanji manages to interpose himself to keep her from getting hit.
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But it's really like for him the very last straw,
He's like, it's one thing for you to be arrogant
and wasteful, and it's another thing for you to hit women,
Like what the fuck is wrong with you? And clearly
his brother is just like, how can you give a fuck?
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That's what it comes down to in all of this.
At one point it's sort of weird. His brother says
something about, how ever, since you were a child, you
have thought in a way that was completely inexplicable to
the rest of the family. But then his father holds
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up the picture of Zef and is like, I think
this is the guy who like corrupted your mind, and
I kind of wanted somebody to point out you just
said he's been like this since he was a kid,
though you literally just said that, so obviously you know,
and what it is is, I'm holding this guy up
because I'm threatening him to you know. But it was
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just that bit of dialogue that I kind of felt
like I thought we all had just established that he
has been like this since he was a child, So
that doesn't that doesn't make sense as an explanation either way.
I don't, like, I have no doubt that they would
be able to take down Zez. They know exactly the
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restaurant name, and even though he's far away. It's really funny,
guys to think back, how do you guys feel sometimes
when this show does a when you start over and
you look at the fact that, like finding a map
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to get into the Grand Line was in the beginnings
of the show considered practically taboo, and then you get
here in the story and it's like everybody from all
over knows everybody, no matter where they are. It doesn't
really seem like anybody is out of reach or out
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of sight. There's just something odd looking back at like
the grand line being so off limits from the perspective
of people who aren't in it, and then now to
how like it's a huge chunk of the world and
for so many people to just be like nobody goes there.
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Apparently fucking everybody goes there. What do you mean? But anyway, this, uh,
we have a scene a little bit later where the
chef she is like by herself in I think a
library or something, and she is thinking about Sangy, imagines
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him and then thinks to herself as if which was
a funny little bit and I was just like, oh shit,
because her having a crush on him. So you guys,
I know that I know that like cartoons, it's gonna be.
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We've got different like language, so to speak, in terms
of the visuals to indicate when somebody is a trek
and when they're not. But the whole way that it's
played with this chef is that she's really unattractive. She's
called homely by one of Sanji's brothers, and like the
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only thing different about her as compared to any of
the other girls is the way that she's got freckles
that seems to be it and like she's drawn without
real like kind of lipsticky lips, if that makes sense.
A lot of female characters they're drawn with lips that
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are very exaggerated into different color and make it look
like they have makeup on, and this girl doesn't have that.
Plus she's got like the freckles, and it's just one
of those things, like I am somebody who is super freckly,
and I don't think that you can like necessarily see
it too much on camera, But I have a lot
of freckles, and I just grew up with freckles being
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the shorthand for somebody being unattractive my whole life, and
it bothered me so much, like it really bummed me out,
And seeing it here is very funny because like she
looks otherwise identical to all the other girls. You know,
we've seen this this artist draw ugly women, but they
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didn't do that with her. Sarah Fim says, I think
the homely thing is just them being assholes. Disagree, if
only because her looking in the mirror and then thinking
about Soanjy and saying as if to me is the
story itself, being like she doesn't think that she could
get with him because she's ugly and we're showing her
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how ugly she is because she's looking in the mirror
and just like, oh my god, I can't stay to
look at myself. I think it's very much like canon
that she's meant to be unattractive, but you know whatever,
it's just I just want to register how funny it is.
It's a similar thing in some ways, like any particular
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woman in this series being meant to be super attractive
when she also looks just like everybody else. And yes,
I'm looking at you, Bo Hancock because you just look
like Robin pretty much like you know. But yeah, so, uh,
Seraphim says, I think that's more a station thing. He's
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a prince, she's just a I disagree. She's looking in
the mirror. She's literally looking at her reflections. Seraphim like,
I don't think it could be more clear that it's
about her appearance. That's just that's just how I'm interpreting that.
It feels very much like it is about how she looks.
She is looking at a reflection of herself, like that's
just shorthand, you know, but whatever. So anyway, this uh
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for her? His brother Neon Blue, is that his name
Electric Blue comes in, and he says something about how
she has gotten a big head because she's been defended
by Sanji. Maybe she's starting to think a little too
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much of herself. And so he cracks his knuckles and
we get like a zoom in on his hands as
he's cracking his knuckles, and then the camera pulls away
and we see Sanji walking down the hall toward that
very room. And I was so ready for this to
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be some kind of really awful sexual assault thing. This
show hasn't done that before, but I really feel like
that's sort of the subtext here is probably that she
was not only beaten but sexually assaulted, you know what
I mean. It just has that kind of tone to
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it of like he put her in her place. And
I don't think that the show is actually having that
be what happened, but I feel that as part of
the like head cannon, you know what I mean, that
maybe we're not going to go that far because of
this being geared more towards a family friendly audience, But
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that feels to me like very much the energy of
the scene, you know, And when he comes in, I
had thought she was going to be dead. To be honest,
I kind of had a moment of just like, oh
my god, did he kill her? And I should have
known that he didn't, but she looks so still when
she's on the floor when Sonji comes in that I
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genuinely was like, oh no, And Soanji I have no
idea what he's going to do now, because like he
can try and like nurse her back to health and
protect her, but he is restrained in a very literal
sense from being able to help her in a material way.
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I mean, where can he put her that they wouldn't
find her? What can he do that they won't be
able to intercept and stop him from doing? I genuinely
can't imagine how he I don't know. So I appreciate
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the position that he is in with wanting to help,
but there's also a part of me that feels like, bro,
maybe you should just leave her alone, because it seems
like the more involved you get, the more they are
going to target her because they know it bothers you,
and you just are giving them a target to zero
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in on. You know, I don't believe that he means
to do that at all, but that's just in effect
what is happening by him focusing on her, so anyway,
the uh the there's another scene then after because you
know he's coping with this whole thing, and his other
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brother comes in and it's just like, you're the one
who is basically you were the one who brought this
on her, and if you have a problem with what's
happened to her, maybe you should learn to keep your
mouth shut, and then says you should come with me,
and he brings Sanji with him down into the basement,
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which Sonji comments on the fact that I've never been
down here before, and he says that we weren't old enough,
like while you were home, we hadn't reached the age
where it was okay for us. But now I'm going
to show you something. It's sort of funny in a way,
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how uh, how cavalier he is about showing Sanji this
like family secret. I guess I don't like correct me
if I'm wrong, guys, but it seems like nobody knows
this information that this is secret? Right? Am I wrong
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about that? If I'm wrong about it, then it kind
of changes up my feelings on the scene. But if
it is a secret, there's a feeling of maybe you
shouldn't show this to somebody who has said repeatedly how
much he doesn't want to be part of this family
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and how much he detests all of you. If you
want this to stay secret, my friend, this is not
the guy to fucking like unload this information onto. But
he does. He tells him everything. And we see that
these soldiers, which like there have been plenty of soldiers
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around that we've seen, are just regular people because they
don't look like the guys in these tanks. So I
think that it's like a mix. We've got some people
who are citizens and they're regular people, born in a
normal way, and they are simply being trained, and then
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we've got people who are literally like test tube babies
and they are built to be similar to other really
powerful warriors. And it's uh, sort of it's very much
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treated like, oh my god, this is so hideous, and
like it is it. It's a sort of a weird
place that I'm in because this family is such garbage
all ready that adding this on top of everything isn't
even making me feel any different about them, you know
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what I mean. They're so despicable in their whole attitude
about everything that I am unchanged, utterly in regard to
what I think of them, because they already you know,
them practicing this sort of thing. Yeah, this sucks, but
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also like they are treating their own citizens so badly that,
you know, making them human shields, that I just don't
have any change in expression essentially when this is revealed. Honestly,
I think that it's because I'm living in the age
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of Marvel, where everybody is trying to generate like superheroes
and super soldiers and whatnot in all properties that this
kind of big reveal is played at this point in
twenty twenty five. This isn't a criticism of the writing
or anything at all. It's just like the nature of
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what happens when a certain type of fiction just becomes
really popular and so you get sort of inured to it,
and yeah, so there's just this feeling of like don
dun Dune, and I was just like, yawn, Yeah, so
you guys already suck very much. This does not surprise me,
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you know what I'm saying, especially considering that they evidently
want to team up with Mama, who's got Caesar Clown
working on another thing for her that's like about manipulating
human bodies and making them more like what she wants
from them. If they're willing to make regular people into
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human shields and they are willing to throw in their
lot with Mama, who is as controlling as she is,
all of this is just a piece, you know. But yeah,
so let's jump over quickly to Carrot and Chopper. They
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come up with a really fun idea that I liked
a lot because there was this whole thing in the
last episodes of how they're locked in this mirror world
and they're looking around trying to like figure out what
exactly is going on, and there's all of these like
spiraling walkways and other mirrors, and it's Chopper who finally
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like puts it together. Oh, I think that all of
these are mirrors in other places that we can like
step out of, or not necessarily step out it, but
at least look out of. And thus, maybe if we
go to the right room where there is a mirror,
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and if Sanji is in there, we're going to be
able to like signal him somehow. I don't know if
Sanji would be able to step into the mirror world
with them. It's clear like they're not able to get
out of that world. So if he did step in
with them, I don't know if it would be good
any good, because the only person that could evidently let
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them out again would be the witch. And we saw that,
like breaking the mirror doesn't let them out. Breaking the
mirror doesn't hurt them, They're fine. But the mirror itself
isn't the trap they It can be broken and they
still are trapped in there, so it has nothing to
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do with that apparently. So the question becomes, what's the
point Even if you can find and you can wave
to him like, hey, we're inside this mirror, if he
can't climb in there with you, then you need to,
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like what give him a message that you guys are
looking for him and he knows that you're on your way.
He has to know. And they don't have like pen
and paper. I don't know if they can hear each other.
I am just wondering, like, if they do manage to
find him, what exactly are they gonna do? How are
they going to you know what I'm saying. I just
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don't know what to expect in that regard. So, yeah,
I will be curious to see it. But I do
really like the idea of being between places with mirrors
to travel. I've always found this whole concept to be
like really unsettling and always interesting. This is something that's
also in uh Doctor Strange, not Doctor Strange, Oh my god,
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Jonathan Strange and mister Noral right is the name of
the book series if you haven't read it or they did,
I think a BBC mini series on it, and it
was really good. I actually covered it with my now
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husband and it was one of the better adaptations I've
ever seen, which I think is because they decided to
have it be like a series rather than a movie.
But there's a similar thing in there where eventually somebody
learns how to travel like between mirrors, and it's really
fascinating to watch. So yeah, I just wonder exactly what
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the like. I don't blame them for going to look
for him, because what else are you gonna do you're
stuck in here? You know you may as well, But
I don't know what actually this accomplishes. Saraphim said they
would at least know where he is to go get him.
I guess it depends on how good the communication is
on whether they would know where to go get him,
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because like you look out a mirror into a room,
and that doesn't necessarily tell you that much. You can
see what room he's in, and maybe if you can
see out the window, you can see if they're close
to a certain landmark or whatever, if he is able
to write down where he is and hold it up
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for them to read, or if they are able to
actually talk to each other. I think they must be
able to talk, because they were talking out of the
mirror in the woods with Nami, So I think that's
got to be like possible, right. I don't know if
it's different based on like, well, this is the mirror
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that she used to put you in here, and so
you can talk out of that one but not other ones.
But I'm gonna assume it's not that complicated. So probably
they could just talk to him and he could just
tell them where he is, which would be kind of
funny if it turned out that, like communicating him from
the mirror was so much easier that they kind of
didn't want to be let out yet, And what if
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the witch was like gonna take them out of there,
and they were like, no, no, no, wait, maybe you
should just leave me, you know what I mean? That
would be sort of amusing, but yeah, so that's what
they're up to. And I just think that this is
a neat concept and I really like there's a whole
thing with Chopper asking Carrot to call him big brother,
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and she she changes up what he asks to call him,
like chopper bro something like that. Chow bro, I think,
is what she calls in and it feels like Chopper
does not like that art that nickname. Initially, eventually he
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goes with it because she like compliments him while using
that nickname, but uh, and eventually like she keeps using
it and it seems to sort of roll off him
and be fine. But it is sort of funny that
at first when she's like, oh, chow Bro, He's like, what, like,
doesn't really apparently seem to like it, but yeah, you know,
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I just think anytime that somebody winds up getting a
nickname from somebody, unless it's like obviously very offensive, but
mostly I always find it kind of charming. I think
it's cute, so I'm for it. And he's like the
idea of the two of them getting a little bit
closer is very cute, and I just like the fact
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that they are finding a way to be useful. But
like from within their prison. This is a really tricky
situation that they have found themselves in, and they are
exploring and doing something with it, and that is admirable.
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We have a very brief check in with Brooke and Pedro.
Brooke is I think, like pretty much hiding in Pedro's coat,
if I'm not mistaken. It's a weird thing. But it
seems like they're just kind of walking around at night,
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looking about, and there isn't really much actually happening with
the two of them yet. We're just sort of getting
an update on what it is that they're doing to
remind us that they're there. And I do want to
point out that, like, we haven't gone back to the
group that was left with the Oh my god, what
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are they called? The other animal people on the elephant.
I can't remember, Zoe. We haven't checked in with any
of those folks. It's kind of like interesting to me
how the story has gotten a lot more consistent with
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splitting our people up quite far from each other. It's
not it used to be We're going to reach a
location and our friends are going to be separated at
that island from each other, and now it's no our
friends are each going to be on different islands, on
different ships, doing completely different things. I don't love this
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as much as a trend, and I'm curious how you
all feel about it, because, like, in large part, I
understand it, and there have been times where I'm like, Okay,
you know, like this is interesting, but I just feel
like it feels like we're doing this to cope with
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the fact that the straw Hat crew has gotten large
enough that it's become more unwieldy. And to that, I say, well,
you don't need to ask everybody we meet to join
the straw Hats, then oda. You know, we have this
whole thing as well, with fucking Jimbay now wanting to
be one of them. And I'm just like, enough, already,
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we have plenty of members. You already have to split
them up to manage their storylines. Let's just leave it.
Let's just say that we have as many as we
need and let them stick together as a team. I
just don't like being away from one group for so
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long that we just don't get to see them at all,
you know. I I think that part of it too,
is like when we were in Dress Rosa, it was
let's see loofy Robin, Frankie, Oosop, Zoro was Brooke with them.
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He wasn't he was with the ones that went to Zoe, right,
So it feels like basically everybody who was with Lufy
and Dress Rosa got left on Zoe, so that now
we can spend more time with this other group. Of course,
we still have to have Loofy with them. Lufy's present always,
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but I just don't really like the energy of there
being a huge chunk of the crew missing. It's one
thing when we're split up on the same island because
the camera goes back and forth between us and we
get to check in with them, But if we're not
doing that, we're just leaving them out of the story
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entirely for huge chunks, and I don't like it. I
think it sucks. I miss my other people a lot,
you know, Florian says, I have thoughts about the crew splitting.
We are now with all the straw hats who were
not undressed Rosa for the most part. Okay, Yeah, I
think at the end of it all, you can make
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a call if it was worth it. I think there
are pros and cons. Yeah, agree, I mean, granted, it's
just I don't know I I'll be curious to see
exactly how this winds up, for sure, But just like
from where I'm sitting right now, I feel like, again,
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we finally got everybody back together. I was really pleased
to have the whole team, and then we were only
together for like a few episodes, like even when they
reached Oh, other members of the party are still separated
from the rest, and then Sanji leaves, so nobody has
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like the whole crew hasn't been together in a minute
at this point. And I think that the dynamic between
the characters is what makes things the most interesting, and
once you decide to like fuck with that in favor
of plot, I just really am not as interested. That's
just kind of what it comes down to. And I
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know that that's not what interests Oda as much. I
am not in alignment with him in terms of what
I find compelling. I am interested in very different things
in terms of story than he is. So it's something
that I struggle with a lot with this series, where
there's points where I just love what's happening and what
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we're doing and it's full of like weird surprises, and
he just decides to do something truly off the wall
and that sustains me, But then there are long portions
where I'm just like, why did you think this was
what was going to be of interest? Dude? What made
you feel like this was the way? Because to me,
this is the least interesting and least compelling angle to
(53:10):
come at this from. And I'm curious if, like, anything
about that approach changes or if it's just sort of
this is how he does it forever, because this is
one of those series that I think I would you know,
I'm not usually much of a fan of like fanfic,
(53:32):
but this is a series where I could see getting
very into fanfic, just because I am unsatisfied a lot
of the time with how much we go into actual
character stories. We go into like people's like history to
(53:53):
figure out what motivates them, but it is sort of
surface level and beyond that we just see the superficial
interactions a lot of the time, And I would be
very into seeing who these people are beyond the most
surface level. We're friends, we have each other's backs, and
(54:17):
we like each other. Yeah, but like what else you know?
Because not all of you like each other. We know
sorrow and Soanji don't like each other, who gets along
with who most and where does that come from beyond
just Loofy and Chopper get along because they both like food.
(54:40):
You know. I just want a little bit more depth,
I think at this point, and in splitting the crew up,
it feels like it's a promise that we're not gonna
get that, and it makes me a little sad. But
we'll see, we'll see. I don't know. I always, as
y'all know, get the most irritated when it feels like
(55:02):
there is a lot of potential in something that isn't realized.
And I can have that with this show a lot,
not as badly as some things that I have. In
the end just quit watching because I got too annoyed.
But this show, there are certainly moments that I'm like,
either thinking we're gonna go in a certain direction and
we just don't and we do something very boring, or
(55:26):
we do something that is interesting but we don't go
hard enough into it. And then there are times where
we get something incredible. You know, fucking Senor Pink's whole
thing was the best. It was so great, and the
whole country on the back of an elephant is such
an interesting, weird idea. You know, he can pull things
(55:47):
out at times where I'm just like, where's this been
the whole time? And you have like such an imagination clearly,
so why do you play it so safe so often? Anyway?
So yeah, this is uh, this might take away in
these three episodes. It's like some highs and some lows.
(56:08):
It's mostly kind of mid right now. But I've been
enjoying the previous episodes a lot, so I'm hoping that
will pick up again. All right, everybody, I'm gonna wrap up.
Thank you again for hanging out with me in the
chat and bearing with me when I had to restart
because of some weird issues, And thank you Bernadet for
commissioning this one. Until next time to the Loo, motherfuckers.
(56:58):
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