October 14, 2025 • 58 mins
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These are the ones where I get my wish and Luffy decides to approach his battle with Cracker exactly as I was hoping, by eating the biscuit soldiers! Yay! Meanwhile, Sanji turns out to be a failed science experiment.
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Thank you very much to Bernadette for commissioning this episode!
These are the ones where I get my wish and Luffy decides to approach his battle with Cracker exactly as I was hoping, by eating the biscuit soldiers! Yay! Meanwhile, Sanji turns out to be a failed science experiment.
Thanks so much for listening, and I will see you soon with a new episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me,
covering one piece episodes eighth three through eight oh five,
The Past that He let go of, Vince Smokes, Sany
to the East, Blue Soanji's resolute departure, and a battle
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of limits, Loofy and the Infinite Biscuits. In these episodes,
everything about Sonji's story makes me so incredibly sad, you guys,
devastating truly. However, I'm really excited about what's going on
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with Lufy. It's even better than I was hoping. Welcome
to spoil Me, Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha.
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Thank you very much once again to Bernadette for commissioning
this episode. Yeah, you guys, I wasn't prepared for how
sad I would like. The whole thing with Sanji's family
was going to make me. I you know, it's a
weird thing where some things, for reasons that you can't
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even quite put into words, will just hit you, you know,
in a certain way. And I think that there was
something about the reveal of his family being actually trying
to like manipulate the genes of him and his brothers
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and sisters to be less than human. In terms they
consider it more than human. But you know, I said
what I said, I just feel like there's something about
that aspect that adds another layer of ugliness to the
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whole business and makes it really, really sad. It's I
think it's the fact that like, none of these kids
really got nobody gets a choice in who they are
or what they are like when they are born, right,
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But it's it's a different thing to be like you
were at the Mercy of Chance, like all the rest
of us versus we engineered you to not have emotions.
It's just the one is, well, you know, that's tough,
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but we all deal with it. And the other is.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Almost a part of me feels as bad for his
brothers as I do for him. And I say his
brothers because his sister, for some reason, is the one
out of the four of them that has emotion. As
she says later, I can't help but feel like a
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bit of a way about the fact that the only
girl in the whole grouping, you know, is like, because
it just it's such a thing to make like the
woman emotional. But whatever, we'll set that aside. I'm I
just feel sorry for them as well, in a way
that's like feutile, because I know they don't feel sorry,
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they're not ashamed, they don't feel like they got ripped
off of a potential normal life. They feel like they
got the best deal. And so it's that kind of
thing that happens a lot of times with somebody who
is particularly awful, is that you feel a sort of
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weird pity for them because you recognize the reason that
they are likely awful is because something's like kind of
broken in them. But that compassion or pity if you
want to be kind of, you know, less generous about it,
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it doesn't do any good really, because it's not like
that person feels anything like what you are feeling about them.
They don't see it. And thus it's almost more frustrating
to be in that position where you not only kind
of despise someone, you pity them, and you know that
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they will never get where you're coming from because they
have no self awareness or they have been brought up
with such a wrong headed set of values that they're
never going to be able to have perspective unless they
undergo some kind of really radical shift that's probably going
to be like a lifetime work. You know, so let's see. Oh,
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Sarah fem was chuckling so hard last time, you saying, luf,
you should just eat the biscuit. Soldier. We are going
to get to that judge is rocketing up. That worst
dad in one piece short. His sister is older than them,
so we had her before the experiments. Oh okay, right
right right, And keeping with the number theme, ray means
zero okay, right right, thank you? Yeah, And like the
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like I said, I just it's always it's just a
thing to have the woman be like the compassionate nurturer
and the caring one, you know, the that's the oldest
could have been a boy. We could have had the
like there be more than one girl. We could have
done many things so that it didn't wind up like this.
But it is what it is. And everything with Sanji's
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like being a failed experiment, there there is something that
is you know, it was already awful the way that
he was being treated, the way that he was being diminished,
but it wasn't quite as dehumanizing as the like addition
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of oh and I don't even really see you as
a person, I see you as a Petri dish that
didn't produce the thing that I was looking for, And honestly,
there's a part of me that's almost in a way
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relieved that that's sort of at the base of this,
because it's like it's less even about Sonji as a person,
but also the fact that it's less about him as
a person makes it more terrible, you know what I'm saying,
Like it's just a very mixed bag, and I just
really I, oh, you know what, Saraphim is making a
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very solid point. She's not the only one. Sonji's whole
deal is that he isn't like the brothers and has
the compassion in kindness his brother's life. Fair point, Saraphim,
I'm not even seeing Sangi as like part of this
because he's just so you know what I mean. But
de dooy, you're right. When you're right, you're right. So
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the whole thing about you guys. I don't know if
anybody has seen the movie The Man in the Iron Mask,
which I think was Leonardo DiCaprio. I remember it being
such a thing when it came out because it was
after Titanic. I'm pretty sure, so all of the you know,
people who are into men across the world were excited
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for there to be another movie with his pretty face
in it, and then the movie turned out that it
was like not going to be showing his pretty face
as much as we wanted, and we were all sort
of like, well, what the fuck, you know, And I
don't know if it was anything like what's going on here.
I'm a little unclear as to the putting the mask
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on him. I'm assuming is to keep the other servants
from like seeing who he is while he's in there,
you know. And I can only be grateful that the
father didn't think of doing something much more horrible to
change what Sanji looks like a mask. It could be worse,
I guess, you know. But it's this all turns out
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to be very different from what I was sort of expecting.
And this is what of those things where I don't
even quite realize that I have this expectation until it
starts to go a different way, and then I'm like, oh,
I definitely was like thinking we were going in a
certain direction with this, and I wasn't aware that I
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had that. But I think that what I was expecting
to have happened was that Soanji would simply reach the
end of his tether with his family and get the
fuck out of there on his own, and probably like
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with the aid of somebody close to him, you know,
and it's like, it doesn't not go that way. That
does actually wind up being kind of what happens, but
it's not at all the way I had expected, because
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his father puts him down into this this cell with
the mask on and tells everybody my son died. It
was so tragic, you know, the whole thing, which later
leads to his brother's being like, well, I think he
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would rather Sonji be dead, so maybe we should just
do that for him and he'll be pleased. Honestly, I
think they're probably right about that. It makes me super
said to say it, but I think that could be
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completely correct. But later on it turns out that his
father knows that he is leaving. His father is agreeable
to it and amenable to it because, as he puts it,
Soanji's whole existence is a shame upon him. And so
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if Sanji is willing to leave and never tell anybody
who he is related to, then sure, this is actually
as close to what I wanted as I'm going to get.
I am going to be able to banish you without
even having to banish you. Amazing, And that was the
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part that I really wasn't expecting. I just was so
certain that he was going to somehow break out of
here completely on his own. And there is something about
the fact that his father agrees to like let him
go off on his own that I like, it makes
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sense thinking about the way that he was received, that
it was all voluntary and that his dad actually knew
about it, because if his other wanted Sonji under his control,
he probably would have put the word out a lot earlier.
And he wasn't at all like bothered by Sanji still
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being alive or still being out there. It's just interesting
that he was insisting Sanji not tell anybody who he's
related to, and then turns around as soon as he
gets the chance to make use of his, you know,
his genetic line for this deal and is like no, no, no, no, yeah,
that's my son. It makes complete sense. But it's just
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like so infuriating, you know. But yes, so the whole
thing with him, we have this like flashback from when
Sanji was really small and just starting to get into cooking,
and we see this like series of bandages that he
has on his fingers from cutting himself with the ns
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all the time, and he is making this like god
awful meal for his sick mother, and the whole thing
with this it's so funny because, like, you know, it's
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a it's a stereotype that I say stereotype. I'm not
even really sure if that's the word I want, but like,
you know, a kid making their first meal is going
to fuck it up, and it's they're going to make
something that's like basically inedible and their parent just has
to like pretend to like it, or if they're cruel,
be like no, I'm not fucking eating this, you know.
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And I was sort of like, okay, so probably with Soanjy,
we're gonna skip that. And he's gonna wind up being
great at this right away because he's just gifted. Nope, nope,
not even a little bit. He makes this this horrible
looking meal. Later on, he tries to be he tries
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to say that, oh, well, I fell and I smushed
it all together, and all of these things resulted in
this otherwise totally valid meal being completely inedible. But this
instead turns out to be inedible from the start, and
he's like very proud of it, and I love the
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chef looking at what he's made and being like dude,
oh my god, really, and then the maid like deciding
she's trying. I appreciated the maid a lot where she's
sort of, you know, the go between in seeing his mother,
and she says something like, well, it's not as bad
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as it looks, and the way it's animated, there's like
this black and purple miass must some sort of coming
off it, like it probably stinks really bad, and it
will shape itself into sort of like a skull to
make it like this is deadly, like you will die
if you eat this, and she takes a little bite
and she all like, you know, I'm assuming probably pukes.
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And then we jumped to her having made a much nicer,
more presentable meal and putting that in front of his
mom and saying, Sanji made this for you, and his
mom immediately is like, okay, what did he really make?
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Tell me what he really made, And when the maid
says she threw it in the garbage, the mom is like,
go get it. And I was like, okay, look, I
respect you wanting to try with he actually, but it's
literally been in the garbage lady like let it go,
but no, she will not let it go. And she
eats this hideous thing and congratulates him and doesn't make
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it seem like it's disgusting at all, and then asks
when he's going to cook for her again. And it's
just so sweet to see a parent who is so
supportive despite their kid just not being amazing at what
they You know, kids, we have this thing, I feel
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like lately in our culture where we really seem to
think that if somebody is like meant to be doing something,
that they are going to be great at it right away,
in like, this is the expectation that I brought to
this myself, and I think that there is I feel
like we claim to value hard work in the American culture,
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but the truth is that we really want divine intervention. Basically,
we want completely unbelievable talent at a level that is
like unreasonable to expect, and we want it to be
immediately profitable. And it's just this result of like hyper
capitalism being what it is, and it's just made it
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in our expectations into this thing that's like totally unreasonable.
So the whole thing here about he takes an interest,
but he's not good at it right away. I just
appreciated it because I was not even really stopping to
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look at the fact that I fully expected him to
be great at it too. You know, I wouldn't have
blinked any honestly, if he had been great at it
right away. I don't think I would have like found
a problem with it. I might have brought it up
that we have this expectation and that it's sort of unreasonable,
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but I don't think I would have even been bothered
because of it being the show and one piece so
exaggerated in so many areas that it would have been fine.
And so just the fact that it didn't go that
way and he's allowed to be bad at it and
had the support anyway, that was just lovely. I really
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appreciated it. Oh, Florian says, remember Duval and that he
wore an iron mask to hide his face that looked
like Sanji's bad wanted poster. Sonji got really mad looking back,
It feels more than just a joke on Odo's part.
I didn't remember that, Florian. Oh, wow, yeah, I guess,
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like because we don't see Duval's face for a minute,
I had forgotten that how weird. Sarah him says this
backstory also puts his inability to hurt women in a
slightly different lay, as the only people who were ever
nice to him growing up were his mother and sister. Yeah,
that's true, And we all see a flashback with him
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and Zeph where apparently all of the crewmates on the
ship are like chanting women women because they want Zep
to hire women to work in the kitchen, assuming that
they can sexually harass, slash, rape them, or intimidate them
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into having sex with them, whatever. And this is one
of those things that comes up all the time where
it's like we simultaneously act like all men aren't monsters
and they wouldn't all do terrible things. But also, I
won't even consider putting a woman in a situation where
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she's the only one amongst a lot of men, because
that seems super dangerous to her. Yeah, it is super
dangerous to her, probably because you never know who is
going to be the one to do something and go
too far. But we just like want to be very
contradictory in the message that we're sending. Zef's explanation is
that he is too physically rough in his training, and
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he would never feel comfortable like kicking a girl while
teaching her the way that he would any of the boys,
which you know, it's hard for me to in this
year twenty twenty five be like, yeah, kicking boys is fine.
I you know, obviously do not stand by that, but
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I understand that in this world, in the one piece world,
physically abusing kids, even when you love them, isn't at
all off limits. It's wild how much this is a thing,
Chopper story being the one that really bothered me the
most in how it was treated as charming and normalized
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in this way. So you know, we'll set all that aside.
But honestly, Zef's explanation as to why he wouldn't bring
a woman onto the ship, to me is very much
a smoke screen for the fact that a woman would
not be safe. She just wouldn't. It's just a fact, like,
let's be real about it, and the like the reaction
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that Sanji has is why wouldn't you just kick a girl?
Like you know, he's seen the way that his sister
was thrown into everything just like his brothers, and there
was the same expectation of her, and so for him,
he's just that's just do the same thing, and Zeph
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is like, absolutely the fuck not not only am I
not going to do that, but don't you ever let
me catch you doing that, because if you were to
do something that despicable, I would have to cut your
balls off and slit my own throat. Every time something
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like this pops up in the dub I'm just startled
and pearl clutching again the fact that he's allowed to
say I would cut your balls off, which just startled
me so badly. He literally says that and then slit
my own throat, and I love that. Like the way
that Sanji reacts is in, oh my god, why would
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you cut my balls off? Sonji says, why would you
cut your own throat? You know what Sanji did for you?
And he says, because I have to take responsibility as
the parent for the child's behavior. And it's very like
clearly just a moment of Anjie being claimed by this
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man as his kid. Essentially, that's like really meaningful and
it was really sweet. But yeah, the whole I will
cut your pulse up and slip my own throat. My god,
I was just not ready for that at all. Florian says,
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I love that Sonji worked to get as good as
he does in cooking and fighting, even though he was
a failure. He wasn't and isn't love this sar for
Sonji agree, even though it is terrible love the drama fair.
I won't judge you for that. Yeah, I'm just really
sort of there's all there's Look, I don't necessarily I'm
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gonna preface this. I don't actually necessarily think that this
is really what's happening here. But Sis being such a
perv and also having only ever gotten affection from women,
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there definitely feels like there's a psychological link there where
those that's the gender he has felt safe around his
whole life, and there being a you know, there's just
an element of psychology. I feel like that's very much real.
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I do want to mention though, later on, when Nami
is arguing with Cracker about like, why are you going
to put yourself on the line for Sanji even if
you die in the attempt, Like basically you're going to
die for nothing. Lame? She says, you wouldn't get it,
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Sangie is and I'm fully expecting her to just say
something like Sanchi's my family. And then there's like her
thought bubble and it's just her picturing him shooting all
over the place with his nose blood, you know, And
I cracked up, you guys. I as she she comes
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back to earth and she says to him, well, okay,
he's a pervert. I really loved this, Like, you know,
they're just I wouldn't have been mad. Once again, I
wouldn't have been mad if she was like Sanji is
like family to me. I it would have been absolutely fine.
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But I loved that that's not what we get. We
get her starting to say something unequivocally positive and then
kind of being like all right, all right, all right,
you know what. Yeah, he's he's a disaster, but he's
my disaster, damn it, you know, like he belongs to us.
And I that just caught me so off guard. It
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was just so funny because like, as she's about to say,
you don't get it, sangi Is, I was thinking to myself, well,
I mean, he is your family, but also like he's
kind of your life might be a little easier without him,
Like you know, I don't know. There was a little
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part of me I'm not lying, and it's look, I
don't really mean it. I don't really mean it.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
But.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
It didn't not occur to me, so I appreciated that
it occurred to her as well. So the whole thing,
like this arc, we also get a moment of the
island moving to participate in this war, and that's like
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what puts him in a position where he can potentially
run away because he's like not stuck on just this
island anymore. And I found this so compelling because like,
I keep forgetting about the way that this nation works,
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that it isn't an actual land mass. It's a traveling
headquarters essentially. I just I just forgot about it, and
the way that it moves. At one point, it's like
climbing up the side of this other land mass, and
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Sanji gets thrown onto his back, and uh, the way
that he's like you cut from him being thrown on
his back, not really like necessarily understanding what's going on,
and then you get his brothers all hanging onto the
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windowsill and like laughing and being excited about the whole thing.
It was just so interesting to see the way that
this works. It's not even that the land met or
that the the nation itself is built in such a
way that going to the places where war is necessarily
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convenient to the people on their ship. It's actually looks
like pretty awkward and annoying, but this is just how
it works, and everybody deals with it. And I also
like there's a part where his father is he is
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watching all the brothers fight and they are putting everybody
down with like basically zero effort, and he hugs them
all and says how proud he is and calls them
his little mess pieces. And I really hated how like
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I don't want to even say that I was like
touched by it, because that's not it. But the guy
had been so just unrepentantly awful the whole time that
we have seen him, that that brief moment of him
giving positive feedback, it was like a It was such
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a relief, And then I felt so annoyed because like,
Sanji's not part of this the point, he's basically congratulating himself,
which is what makes the whole thing so extra gross
once you know that they are experiments. And it just
really highlighted the like intrinsic need that I as a
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person have for positive reinforcement and validation and all of that,
and I was like, oh, boy, Natasha still something I've
got to work on. Let's see. Sonji says that women
being the only ones to ever treat him nicely for
most of his life being part of why he so
fixated on them, something pretty commonly accepted by the fandom.
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There's also a fan theory that Sonji ended up with
not only his emotions intact, but also got his brother's
share of them, and that's part of why he's so
over the top. Oh that's an interesting idea. I sort
of like that as like a head cannon, just that
if all those emotions needed somewhere to go and for
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some reason he wound up with them. I'm not even
really sure how this experiment works, if that like makes
any sense physically, but I do like it as a concept. Honestly,
there's a part of me that likes it as a
concept just because it puts the way he behaves a
little bit more out of his control. And the way
that Sonji behaves sometimes is so like ugly that if
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I'm able to give him an excuse, I want to
do that, which I know is like very problematic, but
here we are normally, I'm pretty much against like plot
lines that take away people's free will or you know whatever,
because it can make things very boring. But that's one
where I'm like, no, that's fine, let's take it away
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from him a little bit because I just want him
to be better than he is most of the time.
So okay, the like episode eight oh four ends with
Sanjy running away to the Barratier. It's the barrazier that
he's running too, right, because it's got that like bottle
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on the front of it, and or maybe it's not
because the barrazier want like they catch him on another ship,
so it's not. It's it's just like some random ship
that he winds up working on, I guess, and he's
a stowaway. But but yeah, it's his sister like yelling
for him to run. It was so funny because I
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couldn't not think about Forrest Gump here. It just felt
so much like when was this written? Had he just
watched Forrest Gump? It's uh, I don't know, there's something
funny about it, but so, like I said in the end,
like the way that he has helped is sort of
how I was thinking it would go, where his sister
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helps him get out of there. But like, it's just
I expected it to be much more illicit, and it
being basically with his father's blessing in a way was
super unexpected. So oh, Saraphim says, no, he runs away
and just ends up on a random shift that zeph
Ray's right, right, right, and then he ends up adopting
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Sandji and they build the Barratier together. Oh okay, I didn't.
I forgot about the fact that, like Zeph's ship was
destroyed in that storm, So I am thinking that like
Zef had the barrazier and then and take Sanjy, but
like the whole ship and the crew, I'm assuming we're
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all killed as well in that storm. So yeah, they
have to start from basically scratch. And so anyway, we
come back to the present, and you know, Sonji has
just gotten the absolute shit kicked out of him by
his brother. It's a pretty awful like there's electric like
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electricity is part of the attack on him, and his
sister is like, yeah, you're going to need to present
a better face to your future bride, so I'm going
to help you out. But the way that he winds up,
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the feeling of he just doesn't want to be doing
this to begin with, you know, and everything being towards
the goal of, like, let's just get this show on
the road and get it so that you marry this girl.
It must be really galling, you know what I'm saying.
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But yeah, so sorry, I'm just making sure that yeah, yeah, okay,
And I want to I want Look, I know I've
said it already, I'm gonna say it again. I want
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to not ship him and putting. I want to feel
the urgency of getting him out of this, you know,
But I just really actually want them to get married.
So every time that he is sort of like digging
his heels in and being like, h I don't want
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to do this, I can't do this. I want to
find a way out of it. As much as I
can agree and understand that is how he feels, I
can't fully get behind it because I personally am secretly
wishing for the other thing, and Loki kind of want
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Sonji to just suck it up. And I know this
is super the wrong attitude to have, not only because
this is not what Sonji wants, but also because it's
what his father wants, and I hate his dad, so
I should want him to be thwarted, and like, I'm aware,
I'm aware that is how I should feel, but I
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just don't. I like putting. I think Sonji would be
happy with her, and I think it would be an
interesting addition to the team. And there's just like a
lot about this that I find, you know, let me
confess to you, guys, I am aware that there is
a strong possibility. The reason that I feel this way
(36:09):
is simply because I love food. I love to eat,
and I love really, really good pastries. And perhaps there's
just a part of me that wants to live out
my dreams of having a pastry chef fucking on staff.
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You know what I'm saying. This may just be about me,
and if so, what can you do? But I wanted
to acknowledge it that maybe I am letting my gluttony
get in the way of Soangies ultimate happiness. But I
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think that he would be happy in that sense. I
just do you know what I mean? If it weren't
for his family being involved in this whole thing, I
think it could actually be great for him. So I
am very much on the fence here. So let's back
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up and let's talk about Cracker which I will never
used to saying that. But here we are. So my
assertion that like what if lufy ate the biscuits, well,
it didn't even enter my mind that, like, if they
(37:35):
were just something that you could bite into, they really
wouldn't be very good as fighters, now, would they. So
when he first goes to take a bite of them,
I'm like, oh, right, here we go. And then he
can't even bite through it, and I was like, wait, oh, okay,
Like immediately my thought was I didn't think of that. Well,
(37:58):
that sucks, but I'm lad it was acknowledged as an option,
and that explanation as to why he can't bite through
them makes total sense, and I accept it, and okay,
we'll have to figure out something else. So as soon
as he can't bite through it, instantly I like I went, oh,
makes sense, and then let go of it as an idea.
(38:21):
But it turns out that what we're actually going to
do here is have Nami use her weather egg to
affect the texture of the biscuits and soften them up
so that he can bite through them, and then later
comes up with the idea of dunking the biscuits in
(38:42):
the juice. That's like all the rivers are made of
different juices so that they take on new flavors.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And we actually wind up running into a problem with
that Loofy has, like he gets to capacity pretty quickly,
and I wasn't expecting it to happen quite as soon
as it did, because, like, you know, my theory in
(39:11):
the last episode was, well, he fights and burns so
many calories so fast, especially using hockey, maybe it will
be proportional to each other, and he won't actually be
able to like catch up with his own energy needs,
(39:32):
so that he gets overstuffed because what he is doing takes.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Up so much energy to execute, you know. But instead
it's uh that he is over full, and Nami keeps
having to sort of lure him into continuing to eat
by like changing up the flavor of things, and we
get to see that this is not just an issue
(39:59):
for Loofy. Cracker keeps insisting, Oh, well, I can just
keep making biscuits they call them. I just want to
say cookies, guys, because like biscuits, this is not the
vernacular in the United States. These are cookies. Biscuits is
(40:22):
the British word for cookies, and nobody here has a
British accent, and so in my opinion it's cookies and
probably the like mouthflaps when you were doing the dub.
There's two mouthflaps for the word for cookies in Japanese,
and so they just had to make the word two
(40:43):
syllables or I guess cookies is two syllables though, so
that doesn't make sense. I don't know, but I just
prefer saying cookies because it seems to me much more
what they are. But yeah, so they uh that the
dude Cracker just is pretending that he can keep it
(41:06):
up and that it's no problem, but Loofy is detecting
major fatigue in this guy and just keeps sort of
calling his bluff and being like, yeah, no, actually, I
think this is taking a toll on you having to
keep making more and more and more of these, And
that had been my question, like how much can this
(41:27):
dude keep it up. Also, we kept a kind of
a confrontation between the Homies and Cracker as well, where
Cracker's like, uh, guys, you know you're gonna have the
answer to Big Mom for this later. She is not
gonna be happy with you. And they make the very
(41:52):
very lame like well, we're basically obeying her power. And
I love that he's not buying it either. He just
immediately is like, yeah, okay, you can keep your excuses
for her. There's just a very strong like you just
pray that she buys that because I'm not buying it.
(42:16):
That put that explanation on sale and see if maybe
then she'll buy it. But I don't think she will.
It's on the clearance rack, nobody's touching it. So and
and the way that like Nami keeps using these guys,
I haven't really mentioned that, Uh, what's the name of
(42:39):
the tree, mister Baum something like that. He's German. And
I know that I mentioned a couple of episodes ago
about all of the tree puns, but I don't think
I mentioned it last episode. And the unfortunate thing with
the way these puns work when Brooke makes these like
(43:03):
very predictable puns or just to like, oh, you know,
I can't believe my eyes, not that I have eyes.
The way that the joke is acknowledged is a whole
other sentence, And so there is an opportunity for the
delivery there to be like really extra funny, and it
(43:24):
also draws your attention to that joke. The tree puns
are really good, and it's a little bit of a
shame that they get lost because he will just be
like it'll just be in the middle of a sentence
where he'll say something like, uh, he doesn't say this,
(43:45):
but let's say he would say something was beautiful. He
would say it's very beautreyful, you know what I mean.
And it's a really quick and then we're like off
it immediately onto another pun, and it's just sort of
ropped into the sentences. And I have been enjoying them,
and there's like been more than one time where I
(44:06):
almost missed it, and I was just thinking about how
like the weirdness of him having these tree puns and
him being German, so he keeps calling her like Frauline
and saying nine, and you know, there's just occasional like
German words thrown into his dialogue and stuff. And he's
(44:30):
got a curly mustache that I really think of as
stereotypically like a cartoon French sort of thing. This is
not something that I consider German, and I keep forgetting
that that's like his deal until I hear his accent
(44:51):
or I hear the like German words dropped into the dialogue,
and then I'm suddenly like, oh, yeah, we made the
tree German. Why did we do that? Like with the Eggman,
it makes more sense for me because that's a person,
and I know that the theory here is that the
tree used to be a person probably, So that's my
(45:14):
assumption is that he's the part of the soul of
an actual German person that has been like put into
this tree. But it feels really like our arbitrary and strange,
and I just wanted to acknowledge that because like he's
the one that Nami is mostly interacting with. He's sort
(45:35):
of the leader of the homies by virtue I guess,
of like being the oldest one out there. So he
the the whole thing with the whole thing with his
character is just it's so it's so funny because it
feels so random and odd, and for the record, I'm
(46:00):
fine with it. I enjoy it, but I do think
that it's like there's something I would love to know
the reason for the decision here. Sorry, I'm at the
part here where Cracker is saying keep eating till you pop,
I don't care, and he is sweating his balls off
(46:23):
bro looks like he is about to drop himself, and
of course the way that the animation works is the
more Loofy eats, the bigger and fatter he gets, and
the rounder he gets, and he winds up with all
of these weird like neck rolls. It's not even quite
(46:44):
adequate to call them double chins, because it's like they're
not even on his chin. It's like his shoulders piled
up and are up on his throat, if that makes sense.
But let's see, I'm trying to find the spot. Oh yeah, uh,
(47:09):
that's not fair, mind, general, this Frau line has Mama's
viver card.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
She's using its power to make us bow down to her,
so technically it's Mama's power we are obeying, and all
of the homies just not along with him very hopefully.
But Cracker is not interested at all, and he starts
yelling at them just basically like, you guys are the
(47:37):
reason that my soldiers are all being eaten, and Nami
is coming back at him with like, would you stop
fucking whining? It's pathetic. You do what you do. I
do what I do. I figured out your weakness. This
is the way fights go dude, And honestly it was great.
(47:58):
I applauded her very much much for this because there
is a sense of just like whe whe where, you know,
just cry about it a little bit more. I was
so over it. And the idea that like he has
nobody has thought to eat his soldiers makes total sense
because you just most people aren't gonna think about doing
(48:23):
it that way. And then when you try and bite
them and they're too hard to bite through, most people
don't have a ready and immediate way to soak all
of those cookies and liquid to soften them up. The
only thing that I could imagine is that maybe he
has encountered that this is like a difficulty if he
(48:43):
has ever had to fight a battle when it was raining,
like just naturally raining. But my guess is that he
probably just doesn't battle in the rain, that he finds
a way around it. You know, probably the people on
his own side are aware of that being a weakness
and so they organize things that that doesn't happen. But
(49:05):
I really like it as an idea, Like I just
think that the whole concept of Loofy eating them it
could have been a little bit too easy, But putting.
The putting like two obstacles in there works really well.
Having it be he can only eat so much and
(49:27):
he starts to kind of, you know, fall off a
little bit. And the fact that they have to be
altered in order for him to eat them. I think
that's perfect. I really really like that. Otherwise it could
have been a bit oversimplified and maybe even a little
bit boring. And also this gives Nami something to do.
(49:50):
And you know, I talked Shit a lot about it,
feeling like we have to do that with Nami a lot.
We have to fin find things for her to do
because what she can do. Like the thing about Nanny
is that her power is actually cool. I say, her power,
it's not really. That's kind of part of what bothers
(50:12):
me is that it's like an object that she has
that if that's taken away then it seems like she's
just screwed. But setting that aside, I actually think that
controlling weather and stuff is really really powerful and rad.
(50:33):
It's just it feels like an afterthought a lot of
the time. The way that it's played in the story,
it just feels like, I don't know, like she's just
not that crucial a lot, and so it it just
(50:55):
sort of makes it less fun sometimes. But I think
here she is crucial, and it's in a way that
like actually directly relates to what it is Lufy is doing.
So it's not like she's out here using her weather
powers on a separate villain or what's the word I want,
like henchman, and then Lufy is dealing with this guy
(51:16):
and they're totally separate. She is the perfect sidekick forgive
me to Loofy here because she is making what he
is doing possible, and this is ideal. I really like
that as the combo with the powers is that one
makes the other able to do the thing. Now we
(51:39):
just have to figure out exactly who is going to
break first. Is Lufy going to be so full that
he can't eat anymore that he pops, or like, I
don't think that he's used hockey in this fight. Is
it possible that if he does, that will solve the problem,
(52:03):
because I would love that. This is just such a
basic video game logic thing, right In a lot of games,
you have so much energy and then when you run
through it, you've got to stop and eat something or
drink a potion or whatever, and and so if he
hasn't used hockey in this yet, maybe that's the solution.
(52:29):
I like the fact that it's taking some energy on
Cracker's part to make all of these biscuit men. And
I really think it seems like this has never been
an issue for him before because he has never needed
to make so many. So it's not even necessarily that
(52:49):
he is that he has a hard limit. It is
potentially that he just doesn't have practice and hasn't built
up his endurance, you know what I mean. I mean,
because he has never had to worry about it before.
And I kind of like that idea as well, that
like maybe if he had engaged with other people who
(53:12):
had handled it this way, he would have been okay
at this point, you know, it would be a means
of sort of prepping for for overproduction. But he's just
not in shape in that respect. Does that make sense?
So anyway, Yeah, I will say I just gotta say this,
(53:33):
like I feel like I already said it when he
was introduced, but I'm gonna say it now. His design
is so dumb. He's these three like weird things sticking
off his head that they're not even they're almost cigar shaped,
but like not really there's something about this hairstyle that
(53:59):
I hate. And also the fact that like sometimes one
of them is lit, sometimes two of them are lit,
and the way that they have. I don't know what's
happening here. I don't know if there's gonna be some
kind of reveal that explains what's going on there. But
I personally just every time the camera turns to him,
I'm just like, uh, I don't like looking at him.
(54:20):
I think he is really really unattractive in a way
that like other characters who have had designs that I
would call like, in certain ways objectively worse, I have
preferred looking at them over him, just because the whole
like effect together of all of his elements is just unappealing.
(54:45):
So anyway, I just had to mention that, Oh, Florien
says Baum equals tree in German. I did know that
one from O Tannenbaum. He also has the same name
in Japanese it is tree Son Tree Son. That was
one of yeah, we can't do that because it's tree Sun.
Thank you for that. Florian Saraphim says they are sparklers
(55:07):
slash firecrackers, Okay, I mean the shape of them doesn't
even look like firecrackers. But I mean, the firecrackers that
I know of are basically like you know, the ones
that you just stick in the ground and light the
bottom of that you can buy at like stalls here
(55:27):
in Texas, so those are very symmetrical. I guess, I
guess these are. The look of them just doesn't say
firecrackers to me, is all I'm saying. It's just a weird.
And there's something about the way that they like kind
of dangle off his head as well. It doesn't even
really look like they are his hair, because in this universe,
(55:50):
people's hair can like stick up and hold shapes that
are not normal for hair unless you've got six cans
of hairspraying there and hiss just sort of flop. And
I think that's part of what I don't like about
the look as well. It's just that there's something like
limp about it, which you know, I'm sure Freid would
have a lot to say about. But uh, all right, well,
(56:12):
I think that I am about done covering this section.
I'm just trying to make sure that I didn't forget
anything with his uh oh, I almost forgot too about
the brothers after they like, beat that girl up. When
Sanjie is like kind of on the floor and they
(56:35):
have just kicked the shit out of him, they all
basically are like ready to demean her even further and
are like, Oh, I didn't know that you liked her.
If I'd known that, maybe I wouldn't have messed her
face up. And if you want, I could have made
her your personal attendant. And that was like part of
(56:59):
the thing that I found really upsetting as well is
just the oh, yeah, well, we could have made it
so that you could sexually assault her if you had
just asked. And the idea that he just wants to
like not see a woman get beaten up for no
reason is alien to them, and it just makes me
(57:22):
wonder how many women they have subjected to this sort
of treatment, because I have to imagine this is what
they are like, and that's awful. So yikes, did not
love that. But Sarah Phitmos says, not disagreeing on him
just being very not great on a look front. That
(57:44):
is so like, I totally get what you're saying and
phrasing it that way, but it sounds like the most
roundabout way of being like he ugly he's just very
not great on a look front. I kind of wanna,
(58:05):
I kind of want to take that.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Care of them.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
All right, guys, I'm gonna wrap up. Thank you guys
again so much for hanging out with me. I appreciate
you all, And until next time to thelue. Motherfuckers. That
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was an Unspoiled Network podcast
This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me,
covering one piece episodes eighth three through eight oh five,
The Past that He let go of, Vince Smokes, Sany
to the East, Blue Soanji's resolute departure, and a battle
(00:26):
of limits, Loofy and the Infinite Biscuits. In these episodes,
everything about Sonji's story makes me so incredibly sad, you guys,
devastating truly. However, I'm really excited about what's going on
(00:46):
with Lufy. It's even better than I was hoping. Welcome
to spoil Me, Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha.
(01:13):
Thank you very much once again to Bernadette for commissioning
this episode. Yeah, you guys, I wasn't prepared for how
sad I would like. The whole thing with Sanji's family
was going to make me. I you know, it's a
weird thing where some things, for reasons that you can't
(01:37):
even quite put into words, will just hit you, you know,
in a certain way. And I think that there was
something about the reveal of his family being actually trying
to like manipulate the genes of him and his brothers
(01:57):
and sisters to be less than human. In terms they
consider it more than human. But you know, I said
what I said, I just feel like there's something about
that aspect that adds another layer of ugliness to the
(02:18):
whole business and makes it really, really sad. It's I
think it's the fact that like, none of these kids
really got nobody gets a choice in who they are
or what they are like when they are born, right,
(02:39):
But it's it's a different thing to be like you
were at the Mercy of Chance, like all the rest
of us versus we engineered you to not have emotions.
It's just the one is, well, you know, that's tough,
(03:01):
but we all deal with it. And the other is.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's like.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Almost a part of me feels as bad for his
brothers as I do for him. And I say his
brothers because his sister, for some reason, is the one
out of the four of them that has emotion. As
she says later, I can't help but feel like a
(03:30):
bit of a way about the fact that the only
girl in the whole grouping, you know, is like, because
it just it's such a thing to make like the
woman emotional. But whatever, we'll set that aside. I'm I
just feel sorry for them as well, in a way
that's like feutile, because I know they don't feel sorry,
(03:52):
they're not ashamed, they don't feel like they got ripped
off of a potential normal life. They feel like they
got the best deal. And so it's that kind of
thing that happens a lot of times with somebody who
is particularly awful, is that you feel a sort of
(04:12):
weird pity for them because you recognize the reason that
they are likely awful is because something's like kind of
broken in them. But that compassion or pity if you
want to be kind of, you know, less generous about it,
(04:34):
it doesn't do any good really, because it's not like
that person feels anything like what you are feeling about them.
They don't see it. And thus it's almost more frustrating
to be in that position where you not only kind
of despise someone, you pity them, and you know that
(04:58):
they will never get where you're coming from because they
have no self awareness or they have been brought up
with such a wrong headed set of values that they're
never going to be able to have perspective unless they
undergo some kind of really radical shift that's probably going
to be like a lifetime work. You know, so let's see. Oh,
(05:24):
Sarah fem was chuckling so hard last time, you saying, luf,
you should just eat the biscuit. Soldier. We are going
to get to that judge is rocketing up. That worst
dad in one piece short. His sister is older than them,
so we had her before the experiments. Oh okay, right
right right, And keeping with the number theme, ray means
zero okay, right right, thank you? Yeah, And like the
(05:51):
like I said, I just it's always it's just a
thing to have the woman be like the compassionate nurturer
and the caring one, you know, the that's the oldest
could have been a boy. We could have had the
like there be more than one girl. We could have
done many things so that it didn't wind up like this.
But it is what it is. And everything with Sanji's
(06:15):
like being a failed experiment, there there is something that
is you know, it was already awful the way that
he was being treated, the way that he was being diminished,
but it wasn't quite as dehumanizing as the like addition
(06:40):
of oh and I don't even really see you as
a person, I see you as a Petri dish that
didn't produce the thing that I was looking for, And honestly,
there's a part of me that's almost in a way
(07:01):
relieved that that's sort of at the base of this,
because it's like it's less even about Sonji as a person,
but also the fact that it's less about him as
a person makes it more terrible, you know what I'm saying,
Like it's just a very mixed bag, and I just
really I, oh, you know what, Saraphim is making a
(07:23):
very solid point. She's not the only one. Sonji's whole
deal is that he isn't like the brothers and has
the compassion in kindness his brother's life. Fair point, Saraphim,
I'm not even seeing Sangi as like part of this
because he's just so you know what I mean. But
de dooy, you're right. When you're right, you're right. So
(07:45):
the whole thing about you guys. I don't know if
anybody has seen the movie The Man in the Iron Mask,
which I think was Leonardo DiCaprio. I remember it being
such a thing when it came out because it was
after Titanic. I'm pretty sure, so all of the you know,
people who are into men across the world were excited
(08:06):
for there to be another movie with his pretty face
in it, and then the movie turned out that it
was like not going to be showing his pretty face
as much as we wanted, and we were all sort
of like, well, what the fuck, you know, And I
don't know if it was anything like what's going on here.
I'm a little unclear as to the putting the mask
(08:30):
on him. I'm assuming is to keep the other servants
from like seeing who he is while he's in there,
you know. And I can only be grateful that the
father didn't think of doing something much more horrible to
change what Sanji looks like a mask. It could be worse,
I guess, you know. But it's this all turns out
(08:56):
to be very different from what I was sort of expecting.
And this is what of those things where I don't
even quite realize that I have this expectation until it
starts to go a different way, and then I'm like, oh,
I definitely was like thinking we were going in a
certain direction with this, and I wasn't aware that I
(09:17):
had that. But I think that what I was expecting
to have happened was that Soanji would simply reach the
end of his tether with his family and get the
fuck out of there on his own, and probably like
(09:38):
with the aid of somebody close to him, you know,
and it's like, it doesn't not go that way. That
does actually wind up being kind of what happens, but
it's not at all the way I had expected, because
(09:58):
his father puts him down into this this cell with
the mask on and tells everybody my son died. It
was so tragic, you know, the whole thing, which later
leads to his brother's being like, well, I think he
(10:20):
would rather Sonji be dead, so maybe we should just
do that for him and he'll be pleased. Honestly, I
think they're probably right about that. It makes me super
said to say it, but I think that could be
(10:40):
completely correct. But later on it turns out that his
father knows that he is leaving. His father is agreeable
to it and amenable to it because, as he puts it,
Soanji's whole existence is a shame upon him. And so
(11:04):
if Sanji is willing to leave and never tell anybody
who he is related to, then sure, this is actually
as close to what I wanted as I'm going to get.
I am going to be able to banish you without
even having to banish you. Amazing, And that was the
(11:27):
part that I really wasn't expecting. I just was so
certain that he was going to somehow break out of
here completely on his own. And there is something about
the fact that his father agrees to like let him
go off on his own that I like, it makes
(11:49):
sense thinking about the way that he was received, that
it was all voluntary and that his dad actually knew
about it, because if his other wanted Sonji under his control,
he probably would have put the word out a lot earlier.
And he wasn't at all like bothered by Sanji still
(12:14):
being alive or still being out there. It's just interesting
that he was insisting Sanji not tell anybody who he's
related to, and then turns around as soon as he
gets the chance to make use of his, you know,
his genetic line for this deal and is like no, no, no, no, yeah,
that's my son. It makes complete sense. But it's just
(12:38):
like so infuriating, you know. But yes, so the whole
thing with him, we have this like flashback from when
Sanji was really small and just starting to get into cooking,
and we see this like series of bandages that he
has on his fingers from cutting himself with the ns
(13:00):
all the time, and he is making this like god
awful meal for his sick mother, and the whole thing
with this it's so funny because, like, you know, it's
(13:22):
a it's a stereotype that I say stereotype. I'm not
even really sure if that's the word I want, but like,
you know, a kid making their first meal is going
to fuck it up, and it's they're going to make
something that's like basically inedible and their parent just has
to like pretend to like it, or if they're cruel,
be like no, I'm not fucking eating this, you know.
(13:44):
And I was sort of like, okay, so probably with Soanjy,
we're gonna skip that. And he's gonna wind up being
great at this right away because he's just gifted. Nope, nope,
not even a little bit. He makes this this horrible
looking meal. Later on, he tries to be he tries
(14:07):
to say that, oh, well, I fell and I smushed
it all together, and all of these things resulted in
this otherwise totally valid meal being completely inedible. But this
instead turns out to be inedible from the start, and
he's like very proud of it, and I love the
(14:29):
chef looking at what he's made and being like dude,
oh my god, really, and then the maid like deciding
she's trying. I appreciated the maid a lot where she's
sort of, you know, the go between in seeing his mother,
and she says something like, well, it's not as bad
(14:52):
as it looks, and the way it's animated, there's like
this black and purple miass must some sort of coming
off it, like it probably stinks really bad, and it
will shape itself into sort of like a skull to
make it like this is deadly, like you will die
if you eat this, and she takes a little bite
and she all like, you know, I'm assuming probably pukes.
(15:16):
And then we jumped to her having made a much nicer,
more presentable meal and putting that in front of his
mom and saying, Sanji made this for you, and his
mom immediately is like, okay, what did he really make?
(15:36):
Tell me what he really made, And when the maid
says she threw it in the garbage, the mom is like,
go get it. And I was like, okay, look, I
respect you wanting to try with he actually, but it's
literally been in the garbage lady like let it go,
but no, she will not let it go. And she
eats this hideous thing and congratulates him and doesn't make
(16:01):
it seem like it's disgusting at all, and then asks
when he's going to cook for her again. And it's
just so sweet to see a parent who is so
supportive despite their kid just not being amazing at what
they You know, kids, we have this thing, I feel
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like lately in our culture where we really seem to
think that if somebody is like meant to be doing something,
that they are going to be great at it right away,
in like, this is the expectation that I brought to
this myself, and I think that there is I feel
like we claim to value hard work in the American culture,
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but the truth is that we really want divine intervention. Basically,
we want completely unbelievable talent at a level that is
like unreasonable to expect, and we want it to be
immediately profitable. And it's just this result of like hyper
capitalism being what it is, and it's just made it
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in our expectations into this thing that's like totally unreasonable.
So the whole thing here about he takes an interest,
but he's not good at it right away. I just
appreciated it because I was not even really stopping to
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look at the fact that I fully expected him to
be great at it too. You know, I wouldn't have
blinked any honestly, if he had been great at it
right away. I don't think I would have like found
a problem with it. I might have brought it up
that we have this expectation and that it's sort of unreasonable,
(17:55):
but I don't think I would have even been bothered
because of it being the show and one piece so
exaggerated in so many areas that it would have been fine.
And so just the fact that it didn't go that
way and he's allowed to be bad at it and
had the support anyway, that was just lovely. I really
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appreciated it. Oh, Florian says, remember Duval and that he
wore an iron mask to hide his face that looked
like Sanji's bad wanted poster. Sonji got really mad looking back,
It feels more than just a joke on Odo's part.
I didn't remember that, Florian. Oh, wow, yeah, I guess,
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like because we don't see Duval's face for a minute,
I had forgotten that how weird. Sarah him says this
backstory also puts his inability to hurt women in a
slightly different lay, as the only people who were ever
nice to him growing up were his mother and sister. Yeah,
that's true, And we all see a flashback with him
(19:04):
and Zeph where apparently all of the crewmates on the
ship are like chanting women women because they want Zep
to hire women to work in the kitchen, assuming that
they can sexually harass, slash, rape them, or intimidate them
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into having sex with them, whatever. And this is one
of those things that comes up all the time where
it's like we simultaneously act like all men aren't monsters
and they wouldn't all do terrible things. But also, I
won't even consider putting a woman in a situation where
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she's the only one amongst a lot of men, because
that seems super dangerous to her. Yeah, it is super
dangerous to her, probably because you never know who is
going to be the one to do something and go
too far. But we just like want to be very
contradictory in the message that we're sending. Zef's explanation is
that he is too physically rough in his training, and
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he would never feel comfortable like kicking a girl while
teaching her the way that he would any of the boys,
which you know, it's hard for me to in this
year twenty twenty five be like, yeah, kicking boys is fine.
I you know, obviously do not stand by that, but
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I understand that in this world, in the one piece world,
physically abusing kids, even when you love them, isn't at
all off limits. It's wild how much this is a thing,
Chopper story being the one that really bothered me the
most in how it was treated as charming and normalized
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in this way. So you know, we'll set all that aside.
But honestly, Zef's explanation as to why he wouldn't bring
a woman onto the ship, to me is very much
a smoke screen for the fact that a woman would
not be safe. She just wouldn't. It's just a fact, like,
let's be real about it, and the like the reaction
(21:27):
that Sanji has is why wouldn't you just kick a girl?
Like you know, he's seen the way that his sister
was thrown into everything just like his brothers, and there
was the same expectation of her, and so for him,
he's just that's just do the same thing, and Zeph
(21:50):
is like, absolutely the fuck not not only am I
not going to do that, but don't you ever let
me catch you doing that, because if you were to
do something that despicable, I would have to cut your
balls off and slit my own throat. Every time something
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like this pops up in the dub I'm just startled
and pearl clutching again the fact that he's allowed to
say I would cut your balls off, which just startled
me so badly. He literally says that and then slit
my own throat, and I love that. Like the way
that Sanji reacts is in, oh my god, why would
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you cut my balls off? Sonji says, why would you
cut your own throat? You know what Sanji did for you?
And he says, because I have to take responsibility as
the parent for the child's behavior. And it's very like
clearly just a moment of Anjie being claimed by this
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man as his kid. Essentially, that's like really meaningful and
it was really sweet. But yeah, the whole I will
cut your pulse up and slip my own throat. My god,
I was just not ready for that at all. Florian says,
(23:22):
I love that Sonji worked to get as good as
he does in cooking and fighting, even though he was
a failure. He wasn't and isn't love this sar for
Sonji agree, even though it is terrible love the drama fair.
I won't judge you for that. Yeah, I'm just really
sort of there's all there's Look, I don't necessarily I'm
(23:48):
gonna preface this. I don't actually necessarily think that this
is really what's happening here. But Sis being such a
perv and also having only ever gotten affection from women,
(24:10):
there definitely feels like there's a psychological link there where
those that's the gender he has felt safe around his
whole life, and there being a you know, there's just
an element of psychology. I feel like that's very much real.
(24:34):
I do want to mention though, later on, when Nami
is arguing with Cracker about like, why are you going
to put yourself on the line for Sanji even if
you die in the attempt, Like basically you're going to
die for nothing. Lame? She says, you wouldn't get it,
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Sangie is and I'm fully expecting her to just say
something like Sanchi's my family. And then there's like her
thought bubble and it's just her picturing him shooting all
over the place with his nose blood, you know, And
I cracked up, you guys. I as she she comes
(25:20):
back to earth and she says to him, well, okay,
he's a pervert. I really loved this, Like, you know,
they're just I wouldn't have been mad. Once again, I
wouldn't have been mad if she was like Sanji is
like family to me. I it would have been absolutely fine.
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But I loved that that's not what we get. We
get her starting to say something unequivocally positive and then
kind of being like all right, all right, all right,
you know what. Yeah, he's he's a disaster, but he's
my disaster, damn it, you know, like he belongs to us.
And I that just caught me so off guard. It
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was just so funny because like, as she's about to say,
you don't get it, sangi Is, I was thinking to myself, well,
I mean, he is your family, but also like he's
kind of your life might be a little easier without him,
Like you know, I don't know. There was a little
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part of me I'm not lying, and it's look, I
don't really mean it. I don't really mean it.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
But.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
It didn't not occur to me, so I appreciated that
it occurred to her as well. So the whole thing,
like this arc, we also get a moment of the
island moving to participate in this war, and that's like
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what puts him in a position where he can potentially
run away because he's like not stuck on just this
island anymore. And I found this so compelling because like,
I keep forgetting about the way that this nation works,
(27:15):
that it isn't an actual land mass. It's a traveling
headquarters essentially. I just I just forgot about it, and
the way that it moves. At one point, it's like
climbing up the side of this other land mass, and
(27:37):
Sanji gets thrown onto his back, and uh, the way
that he's like you cut from him being thrown on
his back, not really like necessarily understanding what's going on,
and then you get his brothers all hanging onto the
(27:57):
windowsill and like laughing and being excited about the whole thing.
It was just so interesting to see the way that
this works. It's not even that the land met or
that the the nation itself is built in such a
way that going to the places where war is necessarily
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convenient to the people on their ship. It's actually looks
like pretty awkward and annoying, but this is just how
it works, and everybody deals with it. And I also
like there's a part where his father is he is
(28:42):
watching all the brothers fight and they are putting everybody
down with like basically zero effort, and he hugs them
all and says how proud he is and calls them
his little mess pieces. And I really hated how like
(29:08):
I don't want to even say that I was like
touched by it, because that's not it. But the guy
had been so just unrepentantly awful the whole time that
we have seen him, that that brief moment of him
giving positive feedback, it was like a It was such
(29:28):
a relief, And then I felt so annoyed because like,
Sanji's not part of this the point, he's basically congratulating himself,
which is what makes the whole thing so extra gross
once you know that they are experiments. And it just
really highlighted the like intrinsic need that I as a
(29:49):
person have for positive reinforcement and validation and all of that,
and I was like, oh, boy, Natasha still something I've
got to work on. Let's see. Sonji says that women
being the only ones to ever treat him nicely for
most of his life being part of why he so
fixated on them, something pretty commonly accepted by the fandom.
(30:10):
There's also a fan theory that Sonji ended up with
not only his emotions intact, but also got his brother's
share of them, and that's part of why he's so
over the top. Oh that's an interesting idea. I sort
of like that as like a head cannon, just that
if all those emotions needed somewhere to go and for
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some reason he wound up with them. I'm not even
really sure how this experiment works, if that like makes
any sense physically, but I do like it as a concept. Honestly,
there's a part of me that likes it as a
concept just because it puts the way he behaves a
little bit more out of his control. And the way
that Sonji behaves sometimes is so like ugly that if
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I'm able to give him an excuse, I want to
do that, which I know is like very problematic, but
here we are normally, I'm pretty much against like plot
lines that take away people's free will or you know whatever,
because it can make things very boring. But that's one
where I'm like, no, that's fine, let's take it away
(31:19):
from him a little bit because I just want him
to be better than he is most of the time.
So okay, the like episode eight oh four ends with
Sanjy running away to the Barratier. It's the barrazier that
he's running too, right, because it's got that like bottle
(31:43):
on the front of it, and or maybe it's not
because the barrazier want like they catch him on another ship,
so it's not. It's it's just like some random ship
that he winds up working on, I guess, and he's
a stowaway. But but yeah, it's his sister like yelling
for him to run. It was so funny because I
(32:04):
couldn't not think about Forrest Gump here. It just felt
so much like when was this written? Had he just
watched Forrest Gump? It's uh, I don't know, there's something
funny about it, but so, like I said in the end,
like the way that he has helped is sort of
how I was thinking it would go, where his sister
(32:26):
helps him get out of there. But like, it's just
I expected it to be much more illicit, and it
being basically with his father's blessing in a way was
super unexpected. So oh, Saraphim says, no, he runs away
and just ends up on a random shift that zeph
Ray's right, right, right, and then he ends up adopting
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Sandji and they build the Barratier together. Oh okay, I didn't.
I forgot about the fact that, like Zeph's ship was
destroyed in that storm, So I am thinking that like
Zef had the barrazier and then and take Sanjy, but
like the whole ship and the crew, I'm assuming we're
(33:07):
all killed as well in that storm. So yeah, they
have to start from basically scratch. And so anyway, we
come back to the present, and you know, Sonji has
just gotten the absolute shit kicked out of him by
his brother. It's a pretty awful like there's electric like
(33:31):
electricity is part of the attack on him, and his
sister is like, yeah, you're going to need to present
a better face to your future bride, so I'm going
to help you out. But the way that he winds up,
(33:52):
the feeling of he just doesn't want to be doing
this to begin with, you know, and everything being towards
the goal of, like, let's just get this show on
the road and get it so that you marry this girl.
It must be really galling, you know what I'm saying.
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But yeah, so sorry, I'm just making sure that yeah, yeah, okay,
And I want to I want Look, I know I've
said it already, I'm gonna say it again. I want
(34:37):
to not ship him and putting. I want to feel
the urgency of getting him out of this, you know,
But I just really actually want them to get married.
So every time that he is sort of like digging
his heels in and being like, h I don't want
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to do this, I can't do this. I want to
find a way out of it. As much as I
can agree and understand that is how he feels, I
can't fully get behind it because I personally am secretly
wishing for the other thing, and Loki kind of want
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Sonji to just suck it up. And I know this
is super the wrong attitude to have, not only because
this is not what Sonji wants, but also because it's
what his father wants, and I hate his dad, so
I should want him to be thwarted, and like, I'm aware,
I'm aware that is how I should feel, but I
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just don't. I like putting. I think Sonji would be
happy with her, and I think it would be an
interesting addition to the team. And there's just like a
lot about this that I find, you know, let me
confess to you, guys, I am aware that there is
a strong possibility. The reason that I feel this way
(36:09):
is simply because I love food. I love to eat,
and I love really, really good pastries. And perhaps there's
just a part of me that wants to live out
my dreams of having a pastry chef fucking on staff.
(36:33):
You know what I'm saying. This may just be about me,
and if so, what can you do? But I wanted
to acknowledge it that maybe I am letting my gluttony
get in the way of Soangies ultimate happiness. But I
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think that he would be happy in that sense. I
just do you know what I mean? If it weren't
for his family being involved in this whole thing, I
think it could actually be great for him. So I
am very much on the fence here. So let's back
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up and let's talk about Cracker which I will never
used to saying that. But here we are. So my
assertion that like what if lufy ate the biscuits, well,
it didn't even enter my mind that, like, if they
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were just something that you could bite into, they really
wouldn't be very good as fighters, now, would they. So
when he first goes to take a bite of them,
I'm like, oh, right, here we go. And then he
can't even bite through it, and I was like, wait, oh, okay,
Like immediately my thought was I didn't think of that. Well,
(37:58):
that sucks, but I'm lad it was acknowledged as an option,
and that explanation as to why he can't bite through
them makes total sense, and I accept it, and okay,
we'll have to figure out something else. So as soon
as he can't bite through it, instantly I like I went, oh,
makes sense, and then let go of it as an idea.
(38:21):
But it turns out that what we're actually going to
do here is have Nami use her weather egg to
affect the texture of the biscuits and soften them up
so that he can bite through them, and then later
comes up with the idea of dunking the biscuits in
(38:42):
the juice. That's like all the rivers are made of
different juices so that they take on new flavors.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
And we actually wind up running into a problem with
that Loofy has, like he gets to capacity pretty quickly,
and I wasn't expecting it to happen quite as soon
as it did, because, like, you know, my theory in
(39:11):
the last episode was, well, he fights and burns so
many calories so fast, especially using hockey, maybe it will
be proportional to each other, and he won't actually be
able to like catch up with his own energy needs,
(39:32):
so that he gets overstuffed because what he is doing takes.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Up so much energy to execute, you know. But instead
it's uh that he is over full, and Nami keeps
having to sort of lure him into continuing to eat
by like changing up the flavor of things, and we
get to see that this is not just an issue
(39:59):
for Loofy. Cracker keeps insisting, Oh, well, I can just
keep making biscuits they call them. I just want to
say cookies, guys, because like biscuits, this is not the
vernacular in the United States. These are cookies. Biscuits is
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the British word for cookies, and nobody here has a
British accent, and so in my opinion it's cookies and
probably the like mouthflaps when you were doing the dub.
There's two mouthflaps for the word for cookies in Japanese,
and so they just had to make the word two
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syllables or I guess cookies is two syllables though, so
that doesn't make sense. I don't know, but I just
prefer saying cookies because it seems to me much more
what they are. But yeah, so they uh that the
dude Cracker just is pretending that he can keep it
(41:06):
up and that it's no problem, but Loofy is detecting
major fatigue in this guy and just keeps sort of
calling his bluff and being like, yeah, no, actually, I
think this is taking a toll on you having to
keep making more and more and more of these, And
that had been my question, like how much can this
(41:27):
dude keep it up. Also, we kept a kind of
a confrontation between the Homies and Cracker as well, where
Cracker's like, uh, guys, you know you're gonna have the
answer to Big Mom for this later. She is not
gonna be happy with you. And they make the very
(41:52):
very lame like well, we're basically obeying her power. And
I love that he's not buying it either. He just
immediately is like, yeah, okay, you can keep your excuses
for her. There's just a very strong like you just
pray that she buys that because I'm not buying it.
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That put that explanation on sale and see if maybe
then she'll buy it. But I don't think she will.
It's on the clearance rack, nobody's touching it. So and
and the way that like Nami keeps using these guys,
I haven't really mentioned that, Uh, what's the name of
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the tree, mister Baum something like that. He's German. And
I know that I mentioned a couple of episodes ago
about all of the tree puns, but I don't think
I mentioned it last episode. And the unfortunate thing with
the way these puns work when Brooke makes these like
(43:03):
very predictable puns or just to like, oh, you know,
I can't believe my eyes, not that I have eyes.
The way that the joke is acknowledged is a whole
other sentence, And so there is an opportunity for the
delivery there to be like really extra funny, and it
(43:24):
also draws your attention to that joke. The tree puns
are really good, and it's a little bit of a
shame that they get lost because he will just be
like it'll just be in the middle of a sentence
where he'll say something like, uh, he doesn't say this,
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but let's say he would say something was beautiful. He
would say it's very beautreyful, you know what I mean.
And it's a really quick and then we're like off
it immediately onto another pun, and it's just sort of
ropped into the sentences. And I have been enjoying them,
and there's like been more than one time where I
(44:06):
almost missed it, and I was just thinking about how
like the weirdness of him having these tree puns and
him being German, so he keeps calling her like Frauline
and saying nine, and you know, there's just occasional like
German words thrown into his dialogue and stuff. And he's
(44:30):
got a curly mustache that I really think of as
stereotypically like a cartoon French sort of thing. This is
not something that I consider German, and I keep forgetting
that that's like his deal until I hear his accent
(44:51):
or I hear the like German words dropped into the dialogue,
and then I'm suddenly like, oh, yeah, we made the
tree German. Why did we do that? Like with the Eggman,
it makes more sense for me because that's a person,
and I know that the theory here is that the
tree used to be a person probably, So that's my
(45:14):
assumption is that he's the part of the soul of
an actual German person that has been like put into
this tree. But it feels really like our arbitrary and strange,
and I just wanted to acknowledge that because like he's
the one that Nami is mostly interacting with. He's sort
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of the leader of the homies by virtue I guess,
of like being the oldest one out there. So he
the the whole thing with the whole thing with his
character is just it's so it's so funny because it
feels so random and odd, and for the record, I'm
(46:00):
fine with it. I enjoy it, but I do think
that it's like there's something I would love to know
the reason for the decision here. Sorry, I'm at the
part here where Cracker is saying keep eating till you pop,
I don't care, and he is sweating his balls off
(46:23):
bro looks like he is about to drop himself, and
of course the way that the animation works is the
more Loofy eats, the bigger and fatter he gets, and
the rounder he gets, and he winds up with all
of these weird like neck rolls. It's not even quite
(46:44):
adequate to call them double chins, because it's like they're
not even on his chin. It's like his shoulders piled
up and are up on his throat, if that makes sense.
But let's see, I'm trying to find the spot. Oh yeah, uh,
(47:09):
that's not fair, mind, general, this Frau line has Mama's
viver card.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
She's using its power to make us bow down to her,
so technically it's Mama's power we are obeying, and all
of the homies just not along with him very hopefully.
But Cracker is not interested at all, and he starts
yelling at them just basically like, you guys are the
(47:37):
reason that my soldiers are all being eaten, and Nami
is coming back at him with like, would you stop
fucking whining? It's pathetic. You do what you do. I
do what I do. I figured out your weakness. This
is the way fights go dude, And honestly it was great.
(47:58):
I applauded her very much much for this because there
is a sense of just like whe whe where, you know,
just cry about it a little bit more. I was
so over it. And the idea that like he has
nobody has thought to eat his soldiers makes total sense
because you just most people aren't gonna think about doing
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it that way. And then when you try and bite
them and they're too hard to bite through, most people
don't have a ready and immediate way to soak all
of those cookies and liquid to soften them up. The
only thing that I could imagine is that maybe he
has encountered that this is like a difficulty if he
(48:43):
has ever had to fight a battle when it was raining,
like just naturally raining. But my guess is that he
probably just doesn't battle in the rain, that he finds
a way around it. You know, probably the people on
his own side are aware of that being a weakness
and so they organize things that that doesn't happen. But
(49:05):
I really like it as an idea, Like I just
think that the whole concept of Loofy eating them it
could have been a little bit too easy, But putting.
The putting like two obstacles in there works really well.
Having it be he can only eat so much and
(49:27):
he starts to kind of, you know, fall off a
little bit. And the fact that they have to be
altered in order for him to eat them. I think
that's perfect. I really really like that. Otherwise it could
have been a bit oversimplified and maybe even a little
bit boring. And also this gives Nami something to do.
(49:50):
And you know, I talked Shit a lot about it,
feeling like we have to do that with Nami a lot.
We have to fin find things for her to do
because what she can do. Like the thing about Nanny
is that her power is actually cool. I say, her power,
it's not really. That's kind of part of what bothers
(50:12):
me is that it's like an object that she has
that if that's taken away then it seems like she's
just screwed. But setting that aside, I actually think that
controlling weather and stuff is really really powerful and rad.
(50:33):
It's just it feels like an afterthought a lot of
the time. The way that it's played in the story,
it just feels like, I don't know, like she's just
not that crucial a lot, and so it it just
(50:55):
sort of makes it less fun sometimes. But I think
here she is crucial, and it's in a way that
like actually directly relates to what it is Lufy is doing.
So it's not like she's out here using her weather
powers on a separate villain or what's the word I want,
like henchman, and then Lufy is dealing with this guy
(51:16):
and they're totally separate. She is the perfect sidekick forgive
me to Loofy here because she is making what he
is doing possible, and this is ideal. I really like
that as the combo with the powers is that one
makes the other able to do the thing. Now we
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just have to figure out exactly who is going to
break first. Is Lufy going to be so full that
he can't eat anymore that he pops, or like, I
don't think that he's used hockey in this fight. Is
it possible that if he does, that will solve the problem,
(52:03):
because I would love that. This is just such a
basic video game logic thing, right In a lot of games,
you have so much energy and then when you run
through it, you've got to stop and eat something or
drink a potion or whatever, and and so if he
hasn't used hockey in this yet, maybe that's the solution.
(52:29):
I like the fact that it's taking some energy on
Cracker's part to make all of these biscuit men. And
I really think it seems like this has never been
an issue for him before because he has never needed
to make so many. So it's not even necessarily that
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he is that he has a hard limit. It is
potentially that he just doesn't have practice and hasn't built
up his endurance, you know what I mean. I mean,
because he has never had to worry about it before.
And I kind of like that idea as well, that
like maybe if he had engaged with other people who
(53:12):
had handled it this way, he would have been okay
at this point, you know, it would be a means
of sort of prepping for for overproduction. But he's just
not in shape in that respect. Does that make sense?
So anyway, Yeah, I will say I just gotta say this,
(53:33):
like I feel like I already said it when he
was introduced, but I'm gonna say it now. His design
is so dumb. He's these three like weird things sticking
off his head that they're not even they're almost cigar shaped,
but like not really there's something about this hairstyle that
(53:59):
I hate. And also the fact that like sometimes one
of them is lit, sometimes two of them are lit,
and the way that they have. I don't know what's
happening here. I don't know if there's gonna be some
kind of reveal that explains what's going on there. But
I personally just every time the camera turns to him,
I'm just like, uh, I don't like looking at him.
(54:20):
I think he is really really unattractive in a way
that like other characters who have had designs that I
would call like, in certain ways objectively worse, I have
preferred looking at them over him, just because the whole
like effect together of all of his elements is just unappealing.
(54:45):
So anyway, I just had to mention that, Oh, Florien
says Baum equals tree in German. I did know that
one from O Tannenbaum. He also has the same name
in Japanese it is tree Son Tree Son. That was
one of yeah, we can't do that because it's tree Sun.
Thank you for that. Florian Saraphim says they are sparklers
(55:07):
slash firecrackers, Okay, I mean the shape of them doesn't
even look like firecrackers. But I mean, the firecrackers that
I know of are basically like you know, the ones
that you just stick in the ground and light the
bottom of that you can buy at like stalls here
(55:27):
in Texas, so those are very symmetrical. I guess, I
guess these are. The look of them just doesn't say
firecrackers to me, is all I'm saying. It's just a weird.
And there's something about the way that they like kind
of dangle off his head as well. It doesn't even
really look like they are his hair, because in this universe,
(55:50):
people's hair can like stick up and hold shapes that
are not normal for hair unless you've got six cans
of hairspraying there and hiss just sort of flop. And
I think that's part of what I don't like about
the look as well. It's just that there's something like
limp about it, which you know, I'm sure Freid would
have a lot to say about. But uh, all right, well,
(56:12):
I think that I am about done covering this section.
I'm just trying to make sure that I didn't forget
anything with his uh oh, I almost forgot too about
the brothers after they like, beat that girl up. When
Sanjie is like kind of on the floor and they
(56:35):
have just kicked the shit out of him, they all
basically are like ready to demean her even further and
are like, Oh, I didn't know that you liked her.
If I'd known that, maybe I wouldn't have messed her
face up. And if you want, I could have made
her your personal attendant. And that was like part of
(56:59):
the thing that I found really upsetting as well is
just the oh, yeah, well, we could have made it
so that you could sexually assault her if you had
just asked. And the idea that he just wants to
like not see a woman get beaten up for no
reason is alien to them, and it just makes me
(57:22):
wonder how many women they have subjected to this sort
of treatment, because I have to imagine this is what
they are like, and that's awful. So yikes, did not
love that. But Sarah Phitmos says, not disagreeing on him
just being very not great on a look front. That
(57:44):
is so like, I totally get what you're saying and
phrasing it that way, but it sounds like the most
roundabout way of being like he ugly he's just very
not great on a look front. I kind of wanna,
(58:05):
I kind of want to take that.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Care of them.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
All right, guys, I'm gonna wrap up. Thank you guys
again so much for hanging out with me. I appreciate
you all, And until next time to thelue. Motherfuckers. That
(58:49):
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