August 9, 2023 • 61 mins
Thank you so much to Max for commissioning this episode!
I really am surprised by how short this season has felt, but I think a lot of that is due to how solid all the episodes have been compared with last season. Also, I cannot believe that I forgot to mention how the vamps have $600K in their account, and that the PIN Colin created is 42069247. Brilliant.
Thank you all so much for listening, and I will hopefully see you again with the start of the new season!
I really am surprised by how short this season has felt, but I think a lot of that is due to how solid all the episodes have been compared with last season. Also, I cannot believe that I forgot to mention how the vamps have $600K in their account, and that the PIN Colin created is 42069247. Brilliant.
Thank you all so much for listening, and I will hopefully see you again with the start of the new season!
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This is an Unspoiled Network podcast.This is spoil Me covering what we do
in The Shadows Season four, episodeten, the final episode of the season,
Sunrise Sunset. In this episode,we have got the end of what
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looks like Gyarmo's living with our vampfriends, and I'm really not sure if
it is. I don't know.Also, Colin Robinson is back and the
same as ever. Also, farewellto Naja's Club. Almost welcome to spoil
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Me. Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very
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much to Max for commissioning this episode. Also thank you Max for letting me
move up this recording to a littlebit earlier than it was originally planned.
This is a guys, I justreally want to take a second here to
talk about the song that this episodeis named after. Sunrise Sunsets, a
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song from Fiddler on the Roof,And I remember as a kid, back
when I still thought maybe musical theaterwas the thing for me, Fiddler on
the Roof and West Side Story weretwo of the only musicals that I really
really loved. Fiddler has just gotsome fucking bangers in it, honestly,
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and I recall watching it and whenSunrise Sunset played, my mom started crying,
and I remember at the time beinglike so startled by it because the
show was otherwise there are so manybright points, but there is like a
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really devastating I don't know if youwould call it a pilgrim, but it's
like it's an ethnic cleansing attack.And that was not the scene that she
started crying at. It was this, and I was kind of like at
the time as a kid, likethat's surprising, and now as a grown
up, I'm like, oh,I get it now. Yeah, this
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song, you guys. I hadn'theard it since the last time I watched
the show, and when they're likesinging it at the end of the episode,
I found myself tearing up. Ireally did, Like this is a
very affecting song, and it's kindof funny, like in the contact of
everything it could be played is justa straight up joke, but there is
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a real sadness in what happens withLaslow and baby Colin, and I was
unexpectedly devastated by that. So Asher'shere high Asher. So the whole the
episode begins, this is so great, you guys. Colin Robinson is in
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his teenage emo phase where he doesn'twant to deal with any adults, He
doesn't want to talk to anybody,listen to anybody. He just wants to
sit around and listen to music andthrow attitude. The only thing that we
need with this to bring it toa new level is him on his phone.
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He doesn't have one, and Idon't know if there's like a specific
reason for that other than the factthat the vampires are just completely technophobic,
but I'm gonna just go with that. And if he had one, I'm
sure it would be a total nightmare. But yeah, if he decided that
he was going to like start,we had him as a child starting a
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YouTube channel, so I guess hecould do that. But I feel like
it would be really funny because hecould start a channel where everybody around him
is acting like they fucking normally act, and we would know it was just
him filming his daily life, buteverybody watching it would interpret it as an
ongoing bit, like a series ofbits. Nobody would believe it, and
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it would actually kind of be theabsolute perfect choice for starting a channel that
would probably take off pretty quickly.So anyway, this scene where Laslow is
attempting to connect with him again,it's to because he just has no interest.
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Laslow is trying to be like,why don't we go back to the
zoo and see about those rhinos thatwe like checked in on last time and
how they're growing, and when notonly does he have no interest, but
he actually puts his headphones back onwhen Laslow is still mid sentence and then
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just basically like, why are youstill here? The level of rejection here
is kind of funny because Laslow islike this a lot depending on who he's
talking to. But when he's onthe receiving end of it from somebody that
he has felt like he was thesuperior too, obviously, it takes on
a whole different flavor. And youknow, I'll give Laslows some credit here.
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As much as he has no ideawhat he's doing as a parent,
I had not really thought about thefact that, like, you know,
he's trying to raise somebody who isa completely different type of vampire to him,
and he doesn't know anything about raisinga kid anyway. He didn't have
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kids when while he had all thosebastards, I suppose, but I don't
think that he had kids of hisown when he was a human, so
he's really operating from like no experiencehere and he is aware of that.
So he's out here doing some researchand reading like hya books about what it's
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like to go through puberty basically,and it shows him reading or their God,
It's me, Margaret, but theword God is scratched out, which
was a joke that I had forgotten, Like I saw that it was just
scratched out. But it's not untillater that Colin says the word God out
loud and Laslow keeps like screaming inpain from it, and I had forgotten
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that it has that effect at all. So that was kind of a fun
little bit. So I just wantto say that, like, you don't
have to be a perf parent,but if you're out here like researching and
trying to understand your kid better,I feel like you really get credit for
that from me, because that's reallywhat it's about. It's not necessarily that
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you manage to make the right choicesevery time that you're you know that your
performance is flawless. But there areso there's a surprising number of people out
there who just basically when a kidis going through a different phase of their
lives, that the parent can nolonger really relate to. They sort of
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write that phase off as being silly, inherently and unimportant in a way that's
really really dismissive and minimizing, Andthere's a sort of attitude of like,
I'll just wait for them to getthrough this bullshit and then we can reconnect
on the other side. And that'slike to me as somebody who's not raised
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a kid, and I will freelylike, maybe I'm wrong about this,
But to me, I feel likethat's what's the most important, is during
the phases where it seems like youaren't wanted or don't understand what they're going
through, just being willing to listento them instead of being the one to
instruct your just around offering support becauseyou don't understand and you are suspecting,
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like if I don't get it,then I guess they probably don't fucking get
it either. That to me isthe main thing. And I know,
like I was actually a pretty easykid to deal with in a lot of
ways, but even I when Iwas like fourteen is when it started.
And around sixteen, by the timethings really hit a crescendo, I started
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to go through a period of likereally intense depression and just such a sad
slope downward that I was sliding down, lots of sluice right there, a
sad slope that I was sliding down. And I still remember overhearing my mom
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talking to somebody on the phone abouthow we had gone to New York City
a few days earlier and that Ididn't crack a smile almost the whole time
and wasn't interested in anything. AndI remembered being startled because I hadn't been
interested in anything, and at thetime not I didn't really like I don't
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think I realized, And it hurtto hear her say it to somebody in
a way like, oh, youknow how teens are, when I hadn't
been fully aware that I was beingseen that way, and it made me
stop and go, wow. Butwhile we were there, like we were
in New York City and I reallydidn't give a shit. And I feel
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like that's the sort of thing nowadaysthat probably my mom, with the knowledge
that she has now, would stopand go like, what was going on
there? Is she okay? Butat the time it was just sort of
waved off as like typical teen behaviorand I really wish that we would take
it a little bit more seriously,because, like what happens when you are
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in those dark places, if youdon't have somebody who seems to care if
you're okay, that can be aconsequence you live with for a long time
if you make some bad choices.So all is to say, I appreciate
Laslow making an effort here. He'sreally frustrated and irritated a lot of the
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time, but also is just likedoing his best and seems truly concerned.
And at the end of the episode, when Colin is like acting like he
doesn't remember anything, which I don'tbuy for a moment, he is so
heartbroken over it because he really waslike raising this kid. He felt he
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was not prepared for the kid toturn into Colin Robinson, even though everybody
else around him saw that's what Colinwas. And eventually he came around to
calling him a baby Colin, butat first he tried to be like,
this isn't Colin. This is anentirely different being, and I think a
part of him was like aware thatif it did turn out to be Colin
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Robinson in the end, that itwas going to change everything and the relationship
that he had couldn't survive the returnto him being just like the grown man,
energy vampire that he had been.And it looks like he was right,
but just in a really more dramaticway than I had thought. I
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didn't expect Colin to straight it pretendhe didn't remember anything, And the fact
that he's like like whistling one ofthe songs that he sang when he tap
danced, I think is clear evidencehe does remember, and he just either
doesn't want to acknowledge it because it'ssort of embarrassing, or he doesn't want
to acknowledge it because he's feeding offof the pain that Laslow is generating because
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he sat over this, or justa general sort of power play. I
don't know, but we get overthe course of this episode, Like at
one point, Nandor tries to saybecause Laslow and Guillermo are discussing Colin and
how difficult they're finding managing him lately, and Nandor tries to say that he
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knows how to talk to kids intheir lingo because he had so many teenagers
that were part of his army.Because it took a lot of like convinced
saying to get them to stand onthe front line, since they knew they
were going to be mowed down,so he had to get extremely good at
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talking them into standing there, whichis so darky guys. And there's something
about as he's like saying this,the look that Nandor starts to get on
his face. It's like he startsto hear what he's saying and be like,
Oh, Okay, I guess that'spretty fucked up, but I'm going
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to own it and I'm gonna finishtelling you the truth. So anyway,
he goes down and he tries totalk to Colin, and Colin is hammering
at the walls of his room,his old room, and once Laslow says
that's all he seems to want todo anymore, I started to go,
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Okay, something's hidden here. Idon't know what it is. I really
can't imagine, but what we've takenis just random destroy auction has become a
symptom of like there's something hidden,there's a secret, so I'm already on
the lookout for that. At thispoint, Nander goes down there to try
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and talk to him, and hedoes the thing that's like, I really
love this because he tries to dothe like, you know, what's even
cooler than listening to cool tunes isrespecting your housemates and your elders. And
Colin says something like, Wow,I'm really blessed that you came and talked
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to me. And when he saidblessed, I felt like this was a
very clear like reference to the factthat nandor sounds like a youth pastor right
here, Like there's just something thatthere is nothing more like upsetting than a
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person who isn't natural in using certainslang attempting to use it. I am
not going to say, like acrossthe board that if you are of a
certain generation you don't get to usecertain slang, because I think that's horseshit,
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you know, I think that peoplelike especially we love, especially white
people, to be like, well, you know, if you're above a
certain age, you can't use it. But a lot of like what turns
into general slang starts off as aveand in that case, anybody who is
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of color and of a certain agecan use it whatever, because it wasn't
ours to begin with. Once iteventually gets completely appropriated and you know,
taken from the black community and theneventually from the drag community and gay community
into every parlance, which usually takesI would say, like about four years.
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Then I think that you get intoa way a place of like,
well, maybe maybe we just don'twant to use it because it's feeling like
a little disrespectful at this point.That said, there are plenty of words
that are more modern slang the eyesall the time, and I'm almost forty
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years old, and I think it'sfine. I don't I don't feel like
I'm attempting to use them. They'repart of the way I talk now because
I am a chronically online person,and that can happen. The problem becomes
when that is not natural to you, because it's not part of how you
talk. It's a put on inorder to attempt to connect with somebody.
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And if you don't know how touse the words, or if they're not
natural, it's very clear as youbegin to talk, how orchard the sentences
are, you know. So that'sthat's the main issue here. And yeah,
he does this trying to like reachout and be like, well,
you know what's really cool. Youknow what Jesus said was to respect your
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elders. And I love that likeColin tries to say like, oh yeah,
thanks for that, and then heturns away nandor looking pretty satisfied with
himself, while behind him Colin isdoing a jerk off motion. But yeah.
Eventually Colin is down there and helike is busting his hammer through a
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bunch of different walls, really irritatedafter he finds out that he is an
energy vampire, because we see himin a fight. He took Sean's car
on like a joy ride and droveit into a ditch. Apparently Sean is
just so incredibly chill about this,like I could never And there's a moment
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where it looks like he's going tofight Laslow, like Sean is basically going
to be the ref for this boxingmatch, and then all of a sudden
he's like, no, wait,I feel better now, and he walks
out and you see his eyes turnthat white blue like he was feeding,
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and I was like, oh mygod. And for a second I thought
he's like purposely upsetting them in orderto feed on them. But I'm not
sure that he knows what he's doing. You know, with Colin Robinson,
he was fully aware of making peopleupset, being what generated his food source,
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and so it was a purposeful choiceto get them bored or irritated or
whatever. But at this point,he doesn't know he's an energy vampire,
so I think he's just instinctive makingthem annoyed, and then afterward he always
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feels better and he isn't sure why, and so he's just continuing to do
that because it's what's getting relief whenhe isn't otherwise able to get any any
other way. I kind of wantedto stay in this place for a little
while longer. Honestly, I wouldn'thave been mad if he was like at
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this spot as a teen last episodeand we got a little bit more of
this because him like consistently trying toupset them but not really understanding why he
was motivated to do it and whyhe felt better afterward. I just think
would have been sort of interesting tosee. But it's not a big deal.
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And oh, Asher says hashtage blest, I think all that behavior has
been instinctual too. He obviously tendstoward irritating people talking about YouTube videos on
end when the other people's obviously aren'tinterested, et cetera. Yeah, it's
sort of a weird thing like hewasn't feeding at the time because his eyes
weren't turning blue. So I'm assumingit was just like, I know that
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I should irritate people. I amnot clear on why I should, but
I'm going to do that because it'swhat I do. And eventually, once
I hit puberty and am able tofeed, it will start paying off.
But I'm not conscious of that rightnow. You know, that's my assumption.
It's sort of fascinating to me tosee this. So he eventually,
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because he's so like frustrated after findingout that he's an energy vampire and that
Lazlow didn't tell him this whole time, he starts busting into his walls with
even more energy and fervor than before, and he finally busts into this spot
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where where a box is hidden andit has a sorry Asher says, might
explain why he never did what Laslowwanted for him too. Yeah, it's
sort of weird because he went througha period where he did. He was
like performing for the club and thingsseem to mostly be going well, but
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he also like it didn't seem toenjoy it. I don't know, I
don't know, But he finds aslide and he puts it into a projector
and it shows a couple of spotsin the walls label one, two,
and three in his old room,and he knows to go and tap each
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of them with the hammer very sharplyonce in order, which I'll be perfectly
honest, guys, I didn't realizethat's what that meant. I was thinking
that, like, those were justlabeled one, two, and three of
spots where I have hidden. Iwas not thinking about it as tap here
first, And I'm like, Ilike the fact that Colin knows how to
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handle it because he sent this messageto himself, so him interpreting it correctly
is fine. But I didn't thinkof it. So when he just taps
it once and then moves on tothe next one, I was like,
oh, okay, And it causesone whole wall to come out, and
there is a reveal of tons oflike notebooks and file boxes and filing cabinets,
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and a desk at the end witha pair of glasses conveniently in the
drawer for when he starts to havedifficulty reading. And as he's sitting there
running his hand through his hair,his hair starts falling out until eventually he
I forgot to mention too, there'slike clothing there, a whole wardrobe of
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shoes, sweater rests the thing,so that when he eventually rejoins the rest
of the household, he is backto his old self, completely, back
to Colin Robinson of old. Andhe claims, like I said, to
not remember anything from between when hehad a stomach ache to when he was
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reading his journals. And the onlything that I want to know is why
he felt the need to hide allof this stuff at all, Like it
was behind a wall in such away that there was no way to reach
it without their being wall's broken,And so did he know that he was
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dying? So to speak? Ihave to like it feels like he set
all of this up for him selfto find because he was aware that he
was on his way out, andotherwise why would you do it? You
know, I'm just really curious aboutexactly what he was aware of versus not,
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and considering how often he sort ofwondered about like where he comes from
and the history of other energy vampires. It's fascinating to see himself just sort
of like reborn, but as theexact same person. How many times?
Does he do this? Does itgo the same way every single time?
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What if nobody found him? Whatif he was like a energy vampire who
lived alone and he completely was leftas an infant child with nobody to take
care of him. Would he stillmanage to survive? How would that even
work? I have so many questionsabout like the lore of energy vampires.
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At this point, Asher is asking, do we think we knew it was
gonna die? Yeah, that's exactlymy same question. So that's like I
wish that we got a little bitmore time with this. You know,
I have no idea if the nextseason is going to go into this anymore.
The way that they it feels likethey hurried a little bit to bring
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back the old Colin Robinson, andthat makes me feel like we're not going
to find out anything further about this. But I don't know. Maybe we
will because the next season, seasonfive, there's already four episodes up of
it on Hulu. I hadn't realizedhow far along it was, and I
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like, I'm gonna watch season oneor season five episode one after this,
I'm gonna there. I don't thinkit has been commissioned into the next season
at all yet, so whenever Istarted, it's going to be a while,
Like it's gonna be at least January, because I don't have any more
open slots until then at this point. But I'm still gonna watch it now
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because I really really want to knowif we're even going to touch on this
topic. And I just like,a part of me is so sad because
what they were doing with Colin Robinsonwas very interesting, and I think I
just regret that it's over so soonbecause I was enjoying the strangeness of it
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all. I even grew to likethe incredibly CREEPYCGI after a while, you
know. So that's pretty much Colin'sstoryline, which was the one that I
found the most compelling. The nextthing we've got to talk about is Nadja's
nightclub. So she and Mabel arecooking up any idea, so what maybe
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we'll explain She's suddenly as they're lookingaround, realizing their business is going to
shit, they start talking about whatthey have had to resort to in order
to make money, and it turnsout renting the space out for like kids'
birthday parties or bachelorettes things like that. Those are becoming like more and more
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popular, and it's just got thevibe of a place that's on its decline.
They can't. They try to doa couple of other things we saw.
We see a vampire rat battle thingwhere it turns out that they cannot
keep their temper, so as soonas one of them starts to insult the
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other, they just launched themselves atone another and start fighting to the death.
And this is really funny. Itreminded me there's a bit in the
Sukie Stackhouse novels where she's talking abouthow somebody tried to do like a vampire
wrestling network, but vampires have noconcept of like holding back and fake fighting
and they completely like ripped off somebody'sarm on live TV, and so it
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never went forward past that one episode. So it reminded me of that.
But then there's another scene where theybring in a human improv group, and
I just really want to say reallyquickly, I have nothing against improv.
In fact, a lot of thepeople that I know who have done improv
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are really really talented people. Andthere's a part of me that is,
like, I think, just sointimidated by the idea of going up with
no plan that I react strongly tothe concept of doing improv because it's terrifying
to me that said. My exhusband was part of an improv troupe in
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Philly. He got accepted to likea pretty high profile one, and I
would go to see his shows andlike, every now and then you would
get a really good one, butthere were a couple that were so rough.
You guys, like so so rough, And it was the sort of
thing that I am not awesome.I'm going to be very real, and
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I don't think a lot of youwill be surprised to hear this. I
am not awesome at being positive andsupportive when a thing objectively did not go
well. It's the sort of thingthat I really wish I could fake a
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little bit better. And I sayfake because like I I don't really believe
that I can be honest and besupportive. And that's a real flaw on
my part. Like there is away to simultaneously be like that didn't go
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well and be supportive of like,but you've done great other times. Everybody
has an off night. It happens, you know, Like there is a
way to do that, and Iam not great at it because I am
somebody who can be so hard onmyself, and I am not able to
turn that off very well when I'mdealing with other people. So there were
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some times where I think about itnow and like Brennan was walking back to
the car with me after a showbeating himself up, and I was not
contradicting him as much as I shouldhave been, or just encouraging him despite
things as much as I should havebeen. And eventually, when we split
up, the woman that he marriedwas part of one of the improv groups
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he worked with, and I rememberbeing like relieved in a way. I
was thinking, like, I'm gladthat somebody from that world because he was
so interested in doing improv i was, and I was just so not well.
I didn't enjoy going to the showsvery much. And all of the
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friends that he made were a verycertain type of white person that I didn't
feel like I had any real camaraderiewith, and so whenever we hung out
with his friends, I felt soout of place. And I look back
on it now and I'm just likewe both grew and changed into like towards
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different interests that did not work oralign anymore. But people on stage in
this very short bit where they havethe human improv group, if the main
guy didn't look exactly like Brendan,I will tell you no lies. I
mean everything, the outfit, everything, guys, everything about him. Like
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it's it's almost like spooky, youknow, I couldn't get over it.
It really it was really funny.So anyway, they're asking for suggestions from
the audience, and the vamps,who just like don't really get it,
are telling them in all sincerity,to suck each other's cocks. And like,
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it would be very easy to playthat line as them being heckled,
but it's really clearly not a heckle. It's very clearly a suggestion. And
the dude who is taking the suggestionsseems to know that. There's the way
it registers on his face. You'relike, yeah, he sees that they're
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actually asking him to do that.Oh bless him. He didn't come in
here knowing what he was in for. This just didn't work out. So
anyway, Mabel has brought P.T. Barnum to talk with them about
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how to bring in an audience tothe club, and I'm thinking, oh,
okay, I guess P T.Barnum is a vampire, which actually,
considering the fact that he was aracist, ablest, predator, exploiter
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P. T. Barnum becoming aliteral vampire actually makes total sense to me.
And if anybody out there hasn't,especially if you're somebody who was a
fan of the movie The Showman,if you haven't looked into the actual history
of P. T. Barnum,I really recommend getting brought back down to
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earth about what that man was reallylike, because The Greatest Showman, for
me, is the kind of moviethat shouldn't have been allowed to be made
during the year it was made.Like if it hadn't made twenty years ago,
that would be one thing, beforeall of us had the Internet at
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our fingertips and we're able to findout the things that we can find out,
then maybe there'd be some excuse.But it was a movie glorifying a
man who was one of the mostvile human beings I have ever read about.
Anyway, this dude, it turnsout, is indeed dead, but
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Mabel has figured out how to bringhuman beings back from the dead for twenty
four hours before they basically like crumbleaway. So what Naja decides she is
going to do because Mabel's initial assumptionis that they're going to use these people
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to pick their brains for ideas aremarketing and find folks who were like,
you know, in the scenes backin the day and ask them how to
run a nightclub and get people inthe door. Naja is like, or
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we could make these famous minds intothe show. That's what people will come
to see because they have a massivecollection of human and souls the second largest
and when Naja ask who the largestis, she says some famous computer guy,
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which I did really enjoy that theydon't get any more specific than that
because it doesn't matter which one.We know what they mean, so we
get then this like really painful coupleof sequences where Naja has like what I
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thought we were going to get whenshe said we're going to have these famous
minds as the show. I thoughtshe was going to bring on one at
a time and then like have themhost an event specifically about whatever their particular
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interest or specialty was, and thatyou would draw in crowds based on what
people wanted to hear more about,you know, like it would be almost
like a Ted Talk sort of situation. But it turns out, unsurprisingly that
Naja didn't really do her homework onwhat any of these people were, like,
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what they like, what language theyspoke. Even so, we had
the first one is Chekov, andhe is just speaking in I think it's
just Russian Ryan. I'm like aboutto say Russian, and then I'm like,
oh my god, is it?But he's just going on and on
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and on. Nobody else is sayinganything. Eventually there's I think a Japanese
woman and forgive me, guys,I don't remember what her name was,
but she's not speaking English either.It doesn't seem as if Naja knows any
of these languages. So they're justtalking and she isn't understanding anything, and
it doesn't seem anyone in the audienceseither, And eventually it's like, first
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of all, very clear that theaudience of the club, they are not
invested. They didn't come here tolisten to a bunch of long dead humans
speak in a different language about shitthey no longer care about or fully understand.
So this is just not working out. And then when we jump ahead
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a little bit, Mabel is talkingto the screen or to the camera about
how they figured out they don't needto have people here in person for these
talks. They can just record themand put them up electronically for people to
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listen to, and they get moneyfrom advertisers, So they basically made this
into a podcast, and they haveat one point Gandhi reading an had for
Blue Apron, which was a prettypretty good joke. I really think that
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most of the people who are goingto be watching what we do in the
Shadows are the exact type of peoplewho also listen to a lot of podcasts,
and so I don't think this jokeis going to be lost on any
of them. If you're listening tome recording on this, I don't think
I need to explain it. ButBlue Apron as well as Casper Mattress,
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which is what she points out later, is going to be read by Ernest
Hemingway. I think it was thoseare the two probably other than like maybe
Quip Toothbrushes and Square Space. Likesome of the biggest podcast advertisers out there,
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it's the sort of thing that almostmakes me feel left out because like
it's such a joke, an ongoingjoke. How many podcasts have ads from
the companies, But I have neverworked with advertisers in this capacity before,
because frankly, I don't have abig enough listenership. That's my main issue
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is like, because I make abunch of different feeds for Unspoiled and spoil
me, which is that's an advantagein some ways because I've diversified so much,
but because I don't have one largefeed that has drawn listeners to the
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centralized feed over time, I don'thave one large listenership that all my ads
go to that I can point to. Everything is spread out amongst a bunch
of different feeds. So attracting thosekinds of advertisers is not easy for me
because I can't point to clear numbersthat feel like I can guarantee this number
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of people will hear the ad.So this has always been something like people
have suggested, why don't you getadvertisers, and it I don't have the
sort of numbers or the sort ofshow where that would really work very well.
And it's very hard to present myselfto potential sponsors because of that,
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which is why I rely on Patreon, Patreon dot com, slash on Spoiled
if you would like to support me, because I really could use the support.
Oh, Asher is saying, fuckingbetter, help so tired of hearing
about them that when I haven't runacross. But I honestly haven't been listening
to podcasts that much in the pastseveral months. It's been mostly audiobooks.
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But I have seen so many adson Facebook that I can well imagine how
much they're entering the podcast fear.The ads I now get are automated through
Spreaker, but I don't do likethe ad read in the show the way
that a lot of people do,and the ads through Spreaker you get considerably
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less money for than those sorts ofsponsorships. So you know, everything has
its ups and downs, pros andcons YadA YadA, yadam. So anyway,
the two of them are attempting tomake this work. There's a really
weird bit where Colin comes in witha CD that he has burned for Evil
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Mabel, and obviously he has likea crush on her and he wants her
to listen to it and tries tomake it really like I mean I did.
I didn't just like give it burnit to you. I just had
like an extra CD and like,you know, if you if you like
it is like cool, but youknow, like, if you don't,
I don't really I don't give ashit, but you know, whatever,
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it's it's just like if you wantto do something later, okay, by
it's so so amazing. I reallythought more would come of this, but
no, that's all we're getting asfar as I know anyway. So eventually
Magic comes to the conclusion I thinkwe all knew she would come to,
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and that is that she is goingto burn the club down now. Apparently,
even though she knows that somehow,if your business gets burned, you
get money, she doesn't know thatinsurance is a thing. It's a weird
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it's a weird bit to have itsimultaneously be that she wants money but doesn't
know that it would be insurance money. I feel like any pop culture reference
to getting money because of a businessburning says insurance money in it. So
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that's the only thing I really likehad to hang up a out was that
why wouldn't she know that if sheknows that it burning down would get her
money, her being like, wellwhat is insurance and how do I get
it? I was like, Idon't even get why this would occur to
her. Then if she doesn't understandhow that works. I would have been
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willing to accept that she knows howinsurance works, but she doesn't know that
you have to have it beforehand.That would be fine, but I just
didn't really understand, you know,the fact that this idea entered her head
and she decided to carry it outif she doesn't know how the mechanism functions,
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so to speak. But anyway,she goes to light the place up.
She just closes the doors behind herafter dropping the the lighter, and
we find out later as they openedthe doors. She goes back and with
Mabel. Because she sends all ofthe Raiths on vacation, she sends Mabel
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to stay at her place for agirl's night. All of this, if
it were ensured, would have beenthe wraith's notwithstanding I have to assume the
Wraiths aren't going to be investigated bythe insurance company, but evil Mabel being
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told to like, just don't bethere that night, you know, I
feel like this probably still would nothave held up, never mind the clear
presence of an accelerant and a meltedlighter in the midst of it all.
But the blood sprinklers went off,even though they have literally never worked since
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they opened the club, so it'scompletely doused the flames and nothing burned except
for her office, where she didn'thave blood sprinklers set up. As soon
as Mabel says this, I immediatelygo, oh God, did she okay?
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I'm sure she took the money outof her office. I was such
a fool. I don't know whyI thought she would have done something right
at this point. I assumed heroffice would be fine, that she had
already taken what she needed from it. I was wrong. We then go
to her opening that secret panel,and all of the paper money that she
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had stored there has gone up inflames, and she is looking at the
camera saying how she's been drinking alittle bit too much liquor blood and thus
has not been making great decisions allthe time, and y'all, this is
so heartbreaking. On the same point, though, I was glad that she
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didn't have anything to show for it, because, frankly, she mismanaged so
badly, She treated everybody so poorlythat it felt like justice to me that
she lost everything that she had beenstealing, you know, and talking about
how the club isn't making any moneyexcept for like a trickle, and then
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you see her taking a very littlebit of what she has been hiding and
putting it back into the safe.Is very hard for me to have much
sympathy for her. Just the factthat she knows that it was her own
fault. That was more than Icould have hoped for, because part of
me thought she was going to finda way to blame evil Mabel for this,
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and I just like relieved that sheblames herself. That's one step in
the right direction. So that leavesus with Guillermo and Nandor to talk about
now. Nandor has very little todo in this finale, which I sort
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of found surprising. He just reallyisn't in it. And like, I
don't remember if he's used up absolutelyall of his wishes when he gives when
the Gin gives him that last lampthat has three wishes. I know that
he asked for mar What to betransformed into Freddie. I can't remember what
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other ways he's used his other wishesif he's still got two left. But
there's nothing in this finale about thewishes, about any further plans, anything
like that. And the only thingthat we know is that he's intending to
go on a fifteen to twenty yearbook reading jag, and that's all we've
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got in terms of future plans.Guillermo's thing this episode is realizing how much,
despite everything being drama all the time, how much nothing changes here,
And especially the fact that, likeNander was making such a big deal about
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finding his love and having this bigwedding and this whole thing, to just
turn around and change Marrow into adifferent person and then send them out into
the world, it just felt reallyabrupt and unsatisfying, and like anything that
Nandor claimed he was looking for wasn'treal, Like he didn't care about any
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of that at all, which workfor me in terms of his overall attitude,
because Nander is extremely complacent. Heisn't somebody who wants better. He
wants the convenience of having a companionwhen he feels like it, but not
in a way that's like he valuesthem as a person. They are a
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playmate for him. They are anaccessory for him to like take in and
out of the box when he feelslike and that's that's not a person,
you know. I don't feel likehe wants a real relationship so to me,
the fact that it ended where itdid makes total sense. But it
seems like Giermo, when he goesin and he sees Nander reading, tries
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to talk with him about the wholething with Marwa it doesn't really go anywhere,
and then he asks Nander like,well, is this it is that
all you like plan to do isjust read? How long do you plan
on doing that for? Nandor sayslike, I don't know, fifteen twenty
years around. That's the beginnings ofGearme was starting to be like, oh
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no, maybe this was a mistake. But what really seems to cement it
is the return of Colin Robinson asjust his self, like back to complete
normal. And I think that Guillermohad been telling himself, I am needed
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around here because this kid has tohave somebody who knows what the fuck raising
a child should look like in youknow, the twenty first century. But
once he has started to grow tothe point that Guillermo doesn't have to look
after him, we have a sequenceof Gamma wandering around the house and like
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doing real shitty, half hearted housekeeping, and it's clear his heart is not
in it anymore. When we hadused to see him doing housekeeping. He
was doing housekeeping. This is alllike vaguely waving a duster in the direction
of a lamp. But he's nottaking the cobwebs off when he's sweeping up
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leaves. He's not even really sweepingit up. He's just sort of moving
them around on the floor. It'sjust like he's he is over and underwhelmed
at once. So seeing Colin comeback and that there's truly no need for
him to help with this particular thinganymore, that seems like the last straw.
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So we see him leaving the house. He is talking to the camera
I am, if I'm not mistaken, saying like they can use my room
for storage or whatever. But Ithought at first, because he's his face
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is off camera. So when hestarts saying you can use that's it for
me. Oh and you guys canuse my room for storage if you want.
He says that, but there's nobodyin the room with him when he
says it, so it felt likehe was telling the camera crew, and
I think that's what it was meantto be. At first, I was
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like, he's telling the vampires this, but I don't think so. So
anyway, he goes to the conveniencestore where Derek is doing inventory in the
back, and he has his bigold fashioned medical bag filled with money that
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he opens up and says, thisis for you. And Derek says,
what did I do to deserve this? And he says, nothing, it's
what you're about to do. You'regonna make me a vampire. And he
looks at the camera with this realsmug sly how about that motherfucker look on
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his face? And it's really weird, you guys, because like, on
the one hand, I'm proud ofhim for coming up with a different solution.
On the other hand, I saidat the beginning of the series this
season, I found it really weirdthat he and Nandor never revisit that Nando
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was going to make him a vampire. So there's no real reason for him
to assume that had been taken entirelyoff the table that we've seen, and
I found it really strange that theyjust act as if that had never happened.
Secondly, I don't feel like there'sany reason to think Derek wouldn't turn
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him into a vampire for free.I don't think he needs to pay him.
I think he's really over selling this. Now. To be clear,
that doesn't mean that I think we'restarting season five with Guillermo as a vampire,
because there's clearly going to be somekind of obstacle. Something is going
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to happen to make it that thisisn't as easy as it looks. But
personally, if I were in Guillermo'sposition, and I know a vampire like
Derek who is really lonely, whois having trouble adjusting trying to live a
normal life and doesn't have a lotof friends human or vampire, I am
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not going to go in there withmoney right away. I'm going to go
in there and just see if they'reamenable to the suggestion initially, and just
feel him out and see how theyrespond. That's not to say that you
don't have to pay him for histime and effort, but you're giving him
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all the money you stole. Thatseems like too much. I don't know
how much of that is in thatbag, but it feels like it's got
to be plenty. And I justthink that this is him being a bad
negotiator. And like I said,he still hasn't like go on and covered
the topic again with Nandor, soI don't know why at this point.
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Sure, with the way things havebeen between him and Nandor, I definitely
think it is off the table bynow. But it seemed like the reason
he assumed it was off the tablewas because they had been going to and
then he didn't show in a wholeyear past. But he didn't show because
he was tricked and trapped somewhere.And I really feel like Nander probably would
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have understood that. I say thatmaybe he wouldn't, but at least if
I had gotten to see the conversation, I would like feel a little bit
more solid on this and then liketo get to the real heart of the
issue. I really didn't know howmuch he wanted to be a van Pire
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for real anymore. I know thatthere was the episode where his family came
to visit where he told them thathe did still and like, that's fine.
You know, I'm willing to acceptthat he was telling them that because
that the goal had been in placefor him for so long that at this
point, I mean, you couldyou sort of continue to tell people what
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you have been telling yourself for awhile, even after you've started to realize
maybe it's not exactly what you wantanymore. So it didn't surprise me that
he would still be saying that tothem, But I really wasn't totally certain
if he was like still there mentallyor if he was beginning to think,
maybe this isn't what I want.So I'm a little bit like, even
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if he did become a vampire,how does it work if he was,
if he has the blood of avampire or slayer in him, As far
as we know, I don't thinkhe's ever been bitten. I am wondering
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if it will be possible to bitehim. Does he have some built in
defense either to keep him from beingbit at all, or does his blood
like taste terrible? You know?Does he automatically fight a vampire off even
though he thinks he's going into itwillingly? There's some like deep instinctual response
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to a vampire attack that he can'tprevent himself from fighting off. I just
think there's a lot of variables inthe mix considering his family history, and
I am really really curious if that'sgoing to be the direction the show goes
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with regarding him trying to turn intoone, and if he succeeded, would
he just have incredible self loathing becausethis whole thing is supposed to be disliking
vampires, even though he doesn't.He lives with them and it hasn't seemed
to inhibit him too much. Everyreason he's disliked them has been valid,
So I don't know. Yeah,but that's it. That's a wrap on
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all of season four, and Iam I'm kind of startled at how little
has changed. It's like Giermo's takeawayat the end of the season almost feels
like the writers acknowledging themselves in ameta sense. Yeah, you know,
nothing ever really will change. That'skind of the point, and I have
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pretty much accepted that mostly. Youknow, I think I knew that that's
the way the show has to bestructured, so that's fine. But Giermo
isn't a vampire, so for thingsto change for him at least that would
feel like something. All right,I'm going to wrap it up, but
thank you again so much Max forcommissioning this, and anybody who's interested in
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commissioning the next season get in touchlet me know. Like I said,
I'm gonna be watching the first episodeof the new season right away, so
I probably be in the no spoilerswith that, and I hope that y'all
have been enjoying the coverage until nexttime to the loom. Motherfucker's that was
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an unspoiled network podcast.
This is an Unspoiled Network podcast.This is spoil Me covering what we do
in The Shadows Season four, episodeten, the final episode of the season,
Sunrise Sunset. In this episode,we have got the end of what
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looks like Gyarmo's living with our vampfriends, and I'm really not sure if
it is. I don't know.Also, Colin Robinson is back and the
same as ever. Also, farewellto Naja's Club. Almost welcome to spoil
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Me. Welcome to the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very
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much to Max for commissioning this episode. Also thank you Max for letting me
move up this recording to a littlebit earlier than it was originally planned.
This is a guys, I justreally want to take a second here to
talk about the song that this episodeis named after. Sunrise Sunsets, a
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song from Fiddler on the Roof,And I remember as a kid, back
when I still thought maybe musical theaterwas the thing for me, Fiddler on
the Roof and West Side Story weretwo of the only musicals that I really
really loved. Fiddler has just gotsome fucking bangers in it, honestly,
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and I recall watching it and whenSunrise Sunset played, my mom started crying,
and I remember at the time beinglike so startled by it because the
show was otherwise there are so manybright points, but there is like a
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really devastating I don't know if youwould call it a pilgrim, but it's
like it's an ethnic cleansing attack.And that was not the scene that she
started crying at. It was this, and I was kind of like at
the time as a kid, likethat's surprising, and now as a grown
up, I'm like, oh,I get it now. Yeah, this
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song, you guys. I hadn'theard it since the last time I watched
the show, and when they're likesinging it at the end of the episode,
I found myself tearing up. Ireally did, Like this is a
very affecting song, and it's kindof funny, like in the contact of
everything it could be played is justa straight up joke, but there is
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a real sadness in what happens withLaslow and baby Colin, and I was
unexpectedly devastated by that. So Asher'shere high Asher. So the whole the
episode begins, this is so great, you guys. Colin Robinson is in
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his teenage emo phase where he doesn'twant to deal with any adults, He
doesn't want to talk to anybody,listen to anybody. He just wants to
sit around and listen to music andthrow attitude. The only thing that we
need with this to bring it toa new level is him on his phone.
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He doesn't have one, and Idon't know if there's like a specific
reason for that other than the factthat the vampires are just completely technophobic,
but I'm gonna just go with that. And if he had one, I'm
sure it would be a total nightmare. But yeah, if he decided that
he was going to like start,we had him as a child starting a
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YouTube channel, so I guess hecould do that. But I feel like
it would be really funny because hecould start a channel where everybody around him
is acting like they fucking normally act, and we would know it was just
him filming his daily life, buteverybody watching it would interpret it as an
ongoing bit, like a series ofbits. Nobody would believe it, and
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it would actually kind of be theabsolute perfect choice for starting a channel that
would probably take off pretty quickly.So anyway, this scene where Laslow is
attempting to connect with him again,it's to because he just has no interest.
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Laslow is trying to be like,why don't we go back to the
zoo and see about those rhinos thatwe like checked in on last time and
how they're growing, and when notonly does he have no interest, but
he actually puts his headphones back onwhen Laslow is still mid sentence and then
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just basically like, why are youstill here? The level of rejection here
is kind of funny because Laslow islike this a lot depending on who he's
talking to. But when he's onthe receiving end of it from somebody that
he has felt like he was thesuperior too, obviously, it takes on
a whole different flavor. And youknow, I'll give Laslows some credit here.
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As much as he has no ideawhat he's doing as a parent,
I had not really thought about thefact that, like, you know,
he's trying to raise somebody who isa completely different type of vampire to him,
and he doesn't know anything about raisinga kid anyway. He didn't have
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kids when while he had all thosebastards, I suppose, but I don't
think that he had kids of hisown when he was a human, so
he's really operating from like no experiencehere and he is aware of that.
So he's out here doing some researchand reading like hya books about what it's
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like to go through puberty basically,and it shows him reading or their God,
It's me, Margaret, but theword God is scratched out, which
was a joke that I had forgotten, Like I saw that it was just
scratched out. But it's not untillater that Colin says the word God out
loud and Laslow keeps like screaming inpain from it, and I had forgotten
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that it has that effect at all. So that was kind of a fun
little bit. So I just wantto say that, like, you don't
have to be a perf parent,but if you're out here like researching and
trying to understand your kid better,I feel like you really get credit for
that from me, because that's reallywhat it's about. It's not necessarily that
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you manage to make the right choicesevery time that you're you know that your
performance is flawless. But there areso there's a surprising number of people out
there who just basically when a kidis going through a different phase of their
lives, that the parent can nolonger really relate to. They sort of
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write that phase off as being silly, inherently and unimportant in a way that's
really really dismissive and minimizing, Andthere's a sort of attitude of like,
I'll just wait for them to getthrough this bullshit and then we can reconnect
on the other side. And that'slike to me as somebody who's not raised
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a kid, and I will freelylike, maybe I'm wrong about this,
But to me, I feel likethat's what's the most important, is during
the phases where it seems like youaren't wanted or don't understand what they're going
through, just being willing to listento them instead of being the one to
instruct your just around offering support becauseyou don't understand and you are suspecting,
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like if I don't get it,then I guess they probably don't fucking get
it either. That to me isthe main thing. And I know,
like I was actually a pretty easykid to deal with in a lot of
ways, but even I when Iwas like fourteen is when it started.
And around sixteen, by the timethings really hit a crescendo, I started
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to go through a period of likereally intense depression and just such a sad
slope downward that I was sliding down, lots of sluice right there, a
sad slope that I was sliding down. And I still remember overhearing my mom
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talking to somebody on the phone abouthow we had gone to New York City
a few days earlier and that Ididn't crack a smile almost the whole time
and wasn't interested in anything. AndI remembered being startled because I hadn't been
interested in anything, and at thetime not I didn't really like I don't
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think I realized, And it hurtto hear her say it to somebody in
a way like, oh, youknow how teens are, when I hadn't
been fully aware that I was beingseen that way, and it made me
stop and go, wow. Butwhile we were there, like we were
in New York City and I reallydidn't give a shit. And I feel
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like that's the sort of thing nowadaysthat probably my mom, with the knowledge
that she has now, would stopand go like, what was going on
there? Is she okay? Butat the time it was just sort of
waved off as like typical teen behaviorand I really wish that we would take
it a little bit more seriously,because, like what happens when you are
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in those dark places, if youdon't have somebody who seems to care if
you're okay, that can be aconsequence you live with for a long time
if you make some bad choices.So all is to say, I appreciate
Laslow making an effort here. He'sreally frustrated and irritated a lot of the
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time, but also is just likedoing his best and seems truly concerned.
And at the end of the episode, when Colin is like acting like he
doesn't remember anything, which I don'tbuy for a moment, he is so
heartbroken over it because he really waslike raising this kid. He felt he
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was not prepared for the kid toturn into Colin Robinson, even though everybody
else around him saw that's what Colinwas. And eventually he came around to
calling him a baby Colin, butat first he tried to be like,
this isn't Colin. This is anentirely different being, and I think a
part of him was like aware thatif it did turn out to be Colin
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Robinson in the end, that itwas going to change everything and the relationship
that he had couldn't survive the returnto him being just like the grown man,
energy vampire that he had been.And it looks like he was right,
but just in a really more dramaticway than I had thought. I
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didn't expect Colin to straight it pretendhe didn't remember anything, And the fact
that he's like like whistling one ofthe songs that he sang when he tap
danced, I think is clear evidencehe does remember, and he just either
doesn't want to acknowledge it because it'ssort of embarrassing, or he doesn't want
to acknowledge it because he's feeding offof the pain that Laslow is generating because
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he sat over this, or justa general sort of power play. I
don't know, but we get overthe course of this episode, Like at
one point, Nandor tries to saybecause Laslow and Guillermo are discussing Colin and
how difficult they're finding managing him lately, and Nandor tries to say that he
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knows how to talk to kids intheir lingo because he had so many teenagers
that were part of his army.Because it took a lot of like convinced
saying to get them to stand onthe front line, since they knew they
were going to be mowed down,so he had to get extremely good at
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talking them into standing there, whichis so darky guys. And there's something
about as he's like saying this,the look that Nandor starts to get on
his face. It's like he startsto hear what he's saying and be like,
Oh, Okay, I guess that'spretty fucked up, but I'm going
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to own it and I'm gonna finishtelling you the truth. So anyway,
he goes down and he tries totalk to Colin, and Colin is hammering
at the walls of his room,his old room, and once Laslow says
that's all he seems to want todo anymore, I started to go,
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Okay, something's hidden here. Idon't know what it is. I really
can't imagine, but what we've takenis just random destroy auction has become a
symptom of like there's something hidden,there's a secret, so I'm already on
the lookout for that. At thispoint, Nander goes down there to try
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and talk to him, and hedoes the thing that's like, I really
love this because he tries to dothe like, you know, what's even
cooler than listening to cool tunes isrespecting your housemates and your elders. And
Colin says something like, Wow,I'm really blessed that you came and talked
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to me. And when he saidblessed, I felt like this was a
very clear like reference to the factthat nandor sounds like a youth pastor right
here, Like there's just something thatthere is nothing more like upsetting than a
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person who isn't natural in using certainslang attempting to use it. I am
not going to say, like acrossthe board that if you are of a
certain generation you don't get to usecertain slang, because I think that's horseshit,
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you know, I think that peoplelike especially we love, especially white
people, to be like, well, you know, if you're above a
certain age, you can't use it. But a lot of like what turns
into general slang starts off as aveand in that case, anybody who is
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of color and of a certain agecan use it whatever, because it wasn't
ours to begin with. Once iteventually gets completely appropriated and you know,
taken from the black community and theneventually from the drag community and gay community
into every parlance, which usually takesI would say, like about four years.
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Then I think that you get intoa way a place of like,
well, maybe maybe we just don'twant to use it because it's feeling like
a little disrespectful at this point.That said, there are plenty of words
that are more modern slang the eyesall the time, and I'm almost forty
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years old, and I think it'sfine. I don't I don't feel like
I'm attempting to use them. They'repart of the way I talk now because
I am a chronically online person,and that can happen. The problem becomes
when that is not natural to you, because it's not part of how you
talk. It's a put on inorder to attempt to connect with somebody.
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And if you don't know how touse the words, or if they're not
natural, it's very clear as youbegin to talk, how orchard the sentences
are, you know. So that'sthat's the main issue here. And yeah,
he does this trying to like reachout and be like, well,
you know what's really cool. Youknow what Jesus said was to respect your
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elders. And I love that likeColin tries to say like, oh yeah,
thanks for that, and then heturns away nandor looking pretty satisfied with
himself, while behind him Colin isdoing a jerk off motion. But yeah.
Eventually Colin is down there and helike is busting his hammer through a
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bunch of different walls, really irritatedafter he finds out that he is an
energy vampire, because we see himin a fight. He took Sean's car
on like a joy ride and droveit into a ditch. Apparently Sean is
just so incredibly chill about this,like I could never And there's a moment
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where it looks like he's going tofight Laslow, like Sean is basically going
to be the ref for this boxingmatch, and then all of a sudden
he's like, no, wait,I feel better now, and he walks
out and you see his eyes turnthat white blue like he was feeding,
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and I was like, oh mygod. And for a second I thought
he's like purposely upsetting them in orderto feed on them. But I'm not
sure that he knows what he's doing. You know, with Colin Robinson,
he was fully aware of making peopleupset, being what generated his food source,
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and so it was a purposeful choiceto get them bored or irritated or
whatever. But at this point,he doesn't know he's an energy vampire,
so I think he's just instinctive makingthem annoyed, and then afterward he always
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feels better and he isn't sure why, and so he's just continuing to do
that because it's what's getting relief whenhe isn't otherwise able to get any any
other way. I kind of wantedto stay in this place for a little
while longer. Honestly, I wouldn'thave been mad if he was like at
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this spot as a teen last episodeand we got a little bit more of
this because him like consistently trying toupset them but not really understanding why he
was motivated to do it and whyhe felt better afterward. I just think
would have been sort of interesting tosee. But it's not a big deal.
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And oh, Asher says hashtage blest, I think all that behavior has
been instinctual too. He obviously tendstoward irritating people talking about YouTube videos on
end when the other people's obviously aren'tinterested, et cetera. Yeah, it's
sort of a weird thing like hewasn't feeding at the time because his eyes
weren't turning blue. So I'm assumingit was just like, I know that
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I should irritate people. I amnot clear on why I should, but
I'm going to do that because it'swhat I do. And eventually, once
I hit puberty and am able tofeed, it will start paying off.
But I'm not conscious of that rightnow. You know, that's my assumption.
It's sort of fascinating to me tosee this. So he eventually,
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because he's so like frustrated after findingout that he's an energy vampire and that
Lazlow didn't tell him this whole time, he starts busting into his walls with
even more energy and fervor than before, and he finally busts into this spot
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where where a box is hidden andit has a sorry Asher says, might
explain why he never did what Laslowwanted for him too. Yeah, it's
sort of weird because he went througha period where he did. He was
like performing for the club and thingsseem to mostly be going well, but
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he also like it didn't seem toenjoy it. I don't know, I
don't know, But he finds aslide and he puts it into a projector
and it shows a couple of spotsin the walls label one, two,
and three in his old room,and he knows to go and tap each
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of them with the hammer very sharplyonce in order, which I'll be perfectly
honest, guys, I didn't realizethat's what that meant. I was thinking
that, like, those were justlabeled one, two, and three of
spots where I have hidden. Iwas not thinking about it as tap here
first, And I'm like, Ilike the fact that Colin knows how to
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handle it because he sent this messageto himself, so him interpreting it correctly
is fine. But I didn't thinkof it. So when he just taps
it once and then moves on tothe next one, I was like,
oh, okay, And it causesone whole wall to come out, and
there is a reveal of tons oflike notebooks and file boxes and filing cabinets,
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and a desk at the end witha pair of glasses conveniently in the
drawer for when he starts to havedifficulty reading. And as he's sitting there
running his hand through his hair,his hair starts falling out until eventually he
I forgot to mention too, there'slike clothing there, a whole wardrobe of
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shoes, sweater rests the thing,so that when he eventually rejoins the rest
of the household, he is backto his old self, completely, back
to Colin Robinson of old. Andhe claims, like I said, to
not remember anything from between when hehad a stomach ache to when he was
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reading his journals. And the onlything that I want to know is why
he felt the need to hide allof this stuff at all, Like it
was behind a wall in such away that there was no way to reach
it without their being wall's broken,And so did he know that he was
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dying? So to speak? Ihave to like it feels like he set
all of this up for him selfto find because he was aware that he
was on his way out, andotherwise why would you do it? You
know, I'm just really curious aboutexactly what he was aware of versus not,
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and considering how often he sort ofwondered about like where he comes from
and the history of other energy vampires. It's fascinating to see himself just sort
of like reborn, but as theexact same person. How many times?
Does he do this? Does itgo the same way every single time?
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What if nobody found him? Whatif he was like a energy vampire who
lived alone and he completely was leftas an infant child with nobody to take
care of him. Would he stillmanage to survive? How would that even
work? I have so many questionsabout like the lore of energy vampires.
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At this point, Asher is asking, do we think we knew it was
gonna die? Yeah, that's exactlymy same question. So that's like I
wish that we got a little bitmore time with this. You know,
I have no idea if the nextseason is going to go into this anymore.
The way that they it feels likethey hurried a little bit to bring
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back the old Colin Robinson, andthat makes me feel like we're not going
to find out anything further about this. But I don't know. Maybe we
will because the next season, seasonfive, there's already four episodes up of
it on Hulu. I hadn't realizedhow far along it was, and I
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like, I'm gonna watch season oneor season five episode one after this,
I'm gonna there. I don't thinkit has been commissioned into the next season
at all yet, so whenever Istarted, it's going to be a while,
Like it's gonna be at least January, because I don't have any more
open slots until then at this point. But I'm still gonna watch it now
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because I really really want to knowif we're even going to touch on this
topic. And I just like,a part of me is so sad because
what they were doing with Colin Robinsonwas very interesting, and I think I
just regret that it's over so soonbecause I was enjoying the strangeness of it
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all. I even grew to likethe incredibly CREEPYCGI after a while, you
know. So that's pretty much Colin'sstoryline, which was the one that I
found the most compelling. The nextthing we've got to talk about is Nadja's
nightclub. So she and Mabel arecooking up any idea, so what maybe
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we'll explain She's suddenly as they're lookingaround, realizing their business is going to
shit, they start talking about whatthey have had to resort to in order
to make money, and it turnsout renting the space out for like kids'
birthday parties or bachelorettes things like that. Those are becoming like more and more
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popular, and it's just got thevibe of a place that's on its decline.
They can't. They try to doa couple of other things we saw.
We see a vampire rat battle thingwhere it turns out that they cannot
keep their temper, so as soonas one of them starts to insult the
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other, they just launched themselves atone another and start fighting to the death.
And this is really funny. Itreminded me there's a bit in the
Sukie Stackhouse novels where she's talking abouthow somebody tried to do like a vampire
wrestling network, but vampires have noconcept of like holding back and fake fighting
and they completely like ripped off somebody'sarm on live TV, and so it
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never went forward past that one episode. So it reminded me of that.
But then there's another scene where theybring in a human improv group, and
I just really want to say reallyquickly, I have nothing against improv.
In fact, a lot of thepeople that I know who have done improv
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are really really talented people. Andthere's a part of me that is,
like, I think, just sointimidated by the idea of going up with
no plan that I react strongly tothe concept of doing improv because it's terrifying
to me that said. My exhusband was part of an improv troupe in
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Philly. He got accepted to likea pretty high profile one, and I
would go to see his shows andlike, every now and then you would
get a really good one, butthere were a couple that were so rough.
You guys, like so so rough, And it was the sort of
thing that I am not awesome.I'm going to be very real, and
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I don't think a lot of youwill be surprised to hear this. I
am not awesome at being positive andsupportive when a thing objectively did not go
well. It's the sort of thingthat I really wish I could fake a
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little bit better. And I sayfake because like I I don't really believe
that I can be honest and besupportive. And that's a real flaw on
my part. Like there is away to simultaneously be like that didn't go
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well and be supportive of like,but you've done great other times. Everybody
has an off night. It happens, you know, Like there is a
way to do that, and Iam not great at it because I am
somebody who can be so hard onmyself, and I am not able to
turn that off very well when I'mdealing with other people. So there were
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some times where I think about itnow and like Brennan was walking back to
the car with me after a showbeating himself up, and I was not
contradicting him as much as I shouldhave been, or just encouraging him despite
things as much as I should havebeen. And eventually, when we split
up, the woman that he marriedwas part of one of the improv groups
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he worked with, and I rememberbeing like relieved in a way. I
was thinking, like, I'm gladthat somebody from that world because he was
so interested in doing improv i was, and I was just so not well.
I didn't enjoy going to the showsvery much. And all of the
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friends that he made were a verycertain type of white person that I didn't
feel like I had any real camaraderiewith, and so whenever we hung out
with his friends, I felt soout of place. And I look back
on it now and I'm just likewe both grew and changed into like towards
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different interests that did not work oralign anymore. But people on stage in
this very short bit where they havethe human improv group, if the main
guy didn't look exactly like Brendan,I will tell you no lies. I
mean everything, the outfit, everything, guys, everything about him. Like
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it's it's almost like spooky, youknow, I couldn't get over it.
It really it was really funny.So anyway, they're asking for suggestions from
the audience, and the vamps,who just like don't really get it,
are telling them in all sincerity,to suck each other's cocks. And like,
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it would be very easy to playthat line as them being heckled,
but it's really clearly not a heckle. It's very clearly a suggestion. And
the dude who is taking the suggestionsseems to know that. There's the way
it registers on his face. You'relike, yeah, he sees that they're
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actually asking him to do that.Oh bless him. He didn't come in
here knowing what he was in for. This just didn't work out. So
anyway, Mabel has brought P.T. Barnum to talk with them about
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how to bring in an audience tothe club, and I'm thinking, oh,
okay, I guess P T.Barnum is a vampire, which actually,
considering the fact that he was aracist, ablest, predator, exploiter
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P. T. Barnum becoming aliteral vampire actually makes total sense to me.
And if anybody out there hasn't,especially if you're somebody who was a
fan of the movie The Showman,if you haven't looked into the actual history
of P. T. Barnum,I really recommend getting brought back down to
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earth about what that man was reallylike, because The Greatest Showman, for
me, is the kind of moviethat shouldn't have been allowed to be made
during the year it was made.Like if it hadn't made twenty years ago,
that would be one thing, beforeall of us had the Internet at
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our fingertips and we're able to findout the things that we can find out,
then maybe there'd be some excuse.But it was a movie glorifying a
man who was one of the mostvile human beings I have ever read about.
Anyway, this dude, it turnsout, is indeed dead, but
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Mabel has figured out how to bringhuman beings back from the dead for twenty
four hours before they basically like crumbleaway. So what Naja decides she is
going to do because Mabel's initial assumptionis that they're going to use these people
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to pick their brains for ideas aremarketing and find folks who were like,
you know, in the scenes backin the day and ask them how to
run a nightclub and get people inthe door. Naja is like, or
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we could make these famous minds intothe show. That's what people will come
to see because they have a massivecollection of human and souls the second largest
and when Naja ask who the largestis, she says some famous computer guy,
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which I did really enjoy that theydon't get any more specific than that
because it doesn't matter which one.We know what they mean, so we
get then this like really painful coupleof sequences where Naja has like what I
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thought we were going to get whenshe said we're going to have these famous
minds as the show. I thoughtshe was going to bring on one at
a time and then like have themhost an event specifically about whatever their particular
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interest or specialty was, and thatyou would draw in crowds based on what
people wanted to hear more about,you know, like it would be almost
like a Ted Talk sort of situation. But it turns out, unsurprisingly that
Naja didn't really do her homework onwhat any of these people were, like,
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what they like, what language theyspoke. Even so, we had
the first one is Chekov, andhe is just speaking in I think it's
just Russian Ryan. I'm like aboutto say Russian, and then I'm like,
oh my god, is it?But he's just going on and on
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and on. Nobody else is sayinganything. Eventually there's I think a Japanese
woman and forgive me, guys,I don't remember what her name was,
but she's not speaking English either.It doesn't seem as if Naja knows any
of these languages. So they're justtalking and she isn't understanding anything, and
it doesn't seem anyone in the audienceseither, And eventually it's like, first
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of all, very clear that theaudience of the club, they are not
invested. They didn't come here tolisten to a bunch of long dead humans
speak in a different language about shitthey no longer care about or fully understand.
So this is just not working out. And then when we jump ahead
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a little bit, Mabel is talkingto the screen or to the camera about
how they figured out they don't needto have people here in person for these
talks. They can just record themand put them up electronically for people to
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listen to, and they get moneyfrom advertisers, So they basically made this
into a podcast, and they haveat one point Gandhi reading an had for
Blue Apron, which was a prettypretty good joke. I really think that
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most of the people who are goingto be watching what we do in the
Shadows are the exact type of peoplewho also listen to a lot of podcasts,
and so I don't think this jokeis going to be lost on any
of them. If you're listening tome recording on this, I don't think
I need to explain it. ButBlue Apron as well as Casper Mattress,
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which is what she points out later, is going to be read by Ernest
Hemingway. I think it was thoseare the two probably other than like maybe
Quip Toothbrushes and Square Space. Likesome of the biggest podcast advertisers out there,
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it's the sort of thing that almostmakes me feel left out because like
it's such a joke, an ongoingjoke. How many podcasts have ads from
the companies, But I have neverworked with advertisers in this capacity before,
because frankly, I don't have abig enough listenership. That's my main issue
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is like, because I make abunch of different feeds for Unspoiled and spoil
me, which is that's an advantagein some ways because I've diversified so much,
but because I don't have one largefeed that has drawn listeners to the
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centralized feed over time, I don'thave one large listenership that all my ads
go to that I can point to. Everything is spread out amongst a bunch
of different feeds. So attracting thosekinds of advertisers is not easy for me
because I can't point to clear numbersthat feel like I can guarantee this number
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of people will hear the ad.So this has always been something like people
have suggested, why don't you getadvertisers, and it I don't have the
sort of numbers or the sort ofshow where that would really work very well.
And it's very hard to present myselfto potential sponsors because of that,
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which is why I rely on Patreon, Patreon dot com, slash on Spoiled
if you would like to support me, because I really could use the support.
Oh, Asher is saying, fuckingbetter, help so tired of hearing
about them that when I haven't runacross. But I honestly haven't been listening
to podcasts that much in the pastseveral months. It's been mostly audiobooks.
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But I have seen so many adson Facebook that I can well imagine how
much they're entering the podcast fear.The ads I now get are automated through
Spreaker, but I don't do likethe ad read in the show the way
that a lot of people do,and the ads through Spreaker you get considerably
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less money for than those sorts ofsponsorships. So you know, everything has
its ups and downs, pros andcons YadA YadA, yadam. So anyway,
the two of them are attempting tomake this work. There's a really
weird bit where Colin comes in witha CD that he has burned for Evil
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Mabel, and obviously he has likea crush on her and he wants her
to listen to it and tries tomake it really like I mean I did.
I didn't just like give it burnit to you. I just had
like an extra CD and like,you know, if you if you like
it is like cool, but youknow, like, if you don't,
I don't really I don't give ashit, but you know, whatever,
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it's it's just like if you wantto do something later, okay, by
it's so so amazing. I reallythought more would come of this, but
no, that's all we're getting asfar as I know anyway. So eventually
Magic comes to the conclusion I thinkwe all knew she would come to,
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and that is that she is goingto burn the club down now. Apparently,
even though she knows that somehow,if your business gets burned, you
get money, she doesn't know thatinsurance is a thing. It's a weird
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it's a weird bit to have itsimultaneously be that she wants money but doesn't
know that it would be insurance money. I feel like any pop culture reference
to getting money because of a businessburning says insurance money in it. So
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that's the only thing I really likehad to hang up a out was that
why wouldn't she know that if sheknows that it burning down would get her
money, her being like, wellwhat is insurance and how do I get
it? I was like, Idon't even get why this would occur to
her. Then if she doesn't understandhow that works. I would have been
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willing to accept that she knows howinsurance works, but she doesn't know that
you have to have it beforehand.That would be fine, but I just
didn't really understand, you know,the fact that this idea entered her head
and she decided to carry it outif she doesn't know how the mechanism functions,
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so to speak. But anyway,she goes to light the place up.
She just closes the doors behind herafter dropping the the lighter, and
we find out later as they openedthe doors. She goes back and with
Mabel. Because she sends all ofthe Raiths on vacation, she sends Mabel
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to stay at her place for agirl's night. All of this, if
it were ensured, would have beenthe wraith's notwithstanding I have to assume the
Wraiths aren't going to be investigated bythe insurance company, but evil Mabel being
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told to like, just don't bethere that night, you know, I
feel like this probably still would nothave held up, never mind the clear
presence of an accelerant and a meltedlighter in the midst of it all.
But the blood sprinklers went off,even though they have literally never worked since
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they opened the club, so it'scompletely doused the flames and nothing burned except
for her office, where she didn'thave blood sprinklers set up. As soon
as Mabel says this, I immediatelygo, oh God, did she okay?
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I'm sure she took the money outof her office. I was such
a fool. I don't know whyI thought she would have done something right
at this point. I assumed heroffice would be fine, that she had
already taken what she needed from it. I was wrong. We then go
to her opening that secret panel,and all of the paper money that she
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had stored there has gone up inflames, and she is looking at the
camera saying how she's been drinking alittle bit too much liquor blood and thus
has not been making great decisions allthe time, and y'all, this is
so heartbreaking. On the same point, though, I was glad that she
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didn't have anything to show for it, because, frankly, she mismanaged so
badly, She treated everybody so poorlythat it felt like justice to me that
she lost everything that she had beenstealing, you know, and talking about
how the club isn't making any moneyexcept for like a trickle, and then
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you see her taking a very littlebit of what she has been hiding and
putting it back into the safe.Is very hard for me to have much
sympathy for her. Just the factthat she knows that it was her own
fault. That was more than Icould have hoped for, because part of
me thought she was going to finda way to blame evil Mabel for this,
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and I just like relieved that sheblames herself. That's one step in
the right direction. So that leavesus with Guillermo and Nandor to talk about
now. Nandor has very little todo in this finale, which I sort
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of found surprising. He just reallyisn't in it. And like, I
don't remember if he's used up absolutelyall of his wishes when he gives when
the Gin gives him that last lampthat has three wishes. I know that
he asked for mar What to betransformed into Freddie. I can't remember what
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other ways he's used his other wishesif he's still got two left. But
there's nothing in this finale about thewishes, about any further plans, anything
like that. And the only thingthat we know is that he's intending to
go on a fifteen to twenty yearbook reading jag, and that's all we've
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got in terms of future plans.Guillermo's thing this episode is realizing how much,
despite everything being drama all the time, how much nothing changes here,
And especially the fact that, likeNander was making such a big deal about
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finding his love and having this bigwedding and this whole thing, to just
turn around and change Marrow into adifferent person and then send them out into
the world, it just felt reallyabrupt and unsatisfying, and like anything that
Nandor claimed he was looking for wasn'treal, Like he didn't care about any
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of that at all, which workfor me in terms of his overall attitude,
because Nander is extremely complacent. Heisn't somebody who wants better. He
wants the convenience of having a companionwhen he feels like it, but not
in a way that's like he valuesthem as a person. They are a
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playmate for him. They are anaccessory for him to like take in and
out of the box when he feelslike and that's that's not a person,
you know. I don't feel likehe wants a real relationship so to me,
the fact that it ended where itdid makes total sense. But it
seems like Giermo, when he goesin and he sees Nander reading, tries
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to talk with him about the wholething with Marwa it doesn't really go anywhere,
and then he asks Nander like,well, is this it is that
all you like plan to do isjust read? How long do you plan
on doing that for? Nandor sayslike, I don't know, fifteen twenty
years around. That's the beginnings ofGearme was starting to be like, oh
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no, maybe this was a mistake. But what really seems to cement it
is the return of Colin Robinson asjust his self, like back to complete
normal. And I think that Guillermohad been telling himself, I am needed
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around here because this kid has tohave somebody who knows what the fuck raising
a child should look like in youknow, the twenty first century. But
once he has started to grow tothe point that Guillermo doesn't have to look
after him, we have a sequenceof Gamma wandering around the house and like
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doing real shitty, half hearted housekeeping, and it's clear his heart is not
in it anymore. When we hadused to see him doing housekeeping. He
was doing housekeeping. This is alllike vaguely waving a duster in the direction
of a lamp. But he's nottaking the cobwebs off when he's sweeping up
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leaves. He's not even really sweepingit up. He's just sort of moving
them around on the floor. It'sjust like he's he is over and underwhelmed
at once. So seeing Colin comeback and that there's truly no need for
him to help with this particular thinganymore, that seems like the last straw.
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So we see him leaving the house. He is talking to the camera
I am, if I'm not mistaken, saying like they can use my room
for storage or whatever. But Ithought at first, because he's his face
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is off camera. So when hestarts saying you can use that's it for
me. Oh and you guys canuse my room for storage if you want.
He says that, but there's nobodyin the room with him when he
says it, so it felt likehe was telling the camera crew, and
I think that's what it was meantto be. At first, I was
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like, he's telling the vampires this, but I don't think so. So
anyway, he goes to the conveniencestore where Derek is doing inventory in the
back, and he has his bigold fashioned medical bag filled with money that
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he opens up and says, thisis for you. And Derek says,
what did I do to deserve this? And he says, nothing, it's
what you're about to do. You'regonna make me a vampire. And he
looks at the camera with this realsmug sly how about that motherfucker look on
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his face? And it's really weird, you guys, because like, on
the one hand, I'm proud ofhim for coming up with a different solution.
On the other hand, I saidat the beginning of the series this
season, I found it really weirdthat he and Nandor never revisit that Nando
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was going to make him a vampire. So there's no real reason for him
to assume that had been taken entirelyoff the table that we've seen, and
I found it really strange that theyjust act as if that had never happened.
Secondly, I don't feel like there'sany reason to think Derek wouldn't turn
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him into a vampire for free.I don't think he needs to pay him.
I think he's really over selling this. Now. To be clear,
that doesn't mean that I think we'restarting season five with Guillermo as a vampire,
because there's clearly going to be somekind of obstacle. Something is going
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to happen to make it that thisisn't as easy as it looks. But
personally, if I were in Guillermo'sposition, and I know a vampire like
Derek who is really lonely, whois having trouble adjusting trying to live a
normal life and doesn't have a lotof friends human or vampire, I am
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not going to go in there withmoney right away. I'm going to go
in there and just see if they'reamenable to the suggestion initially, and just
feel him out and see how theyrespond. That's not to say that you
don't have to pay him for histime and effort, but you're giving him
(55:53):
all the money you stole. Thatseems like too much. I don't know
how much of that is in thatbag, but it feels like it's got
to be plenty. And I justthink that this is him being a bad
negotiator. And like I said,he still hasn't like go on and covered
the topic again with Nandor, soI don't know why at this point.
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Sure, with the way things havebeen between him and Nandor, I definitely
think it is off the table bynow. But it seemed like the reason
he assumed it was off the tablewas because they had been going to and
then he didn't show in a wholeyear past. But he didn't show because
he was tricked and trapped somewhere.And I really feel like Nander probably would
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have understood that. I say thatmaybe he wouldn't, but at least if
I had gotten to see the conversation, I would like feel a little bit
more solid on this and then liketo get to the real heart of the
issue. I really didn't know howmuch he wanted to be a van Pire
(57:00):
for real anymore. I know thatthere was the episode where his family came
to visit where he told them thathe did still and like, that's fine.
You know, I'm willing to acceptthat he was telling them that because
that the goal had been in placefor him for so long that at this
point, I mean, you couldyou sort of continue to tell people what
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you have been telling yourself for awhile, even after you've started to realize
maybe it's not exactly what you wantanymore. So it didn't surprise me that
he would still be saying that tothem, But I really wasn't totally certain
if he was like still there mentallyor if he was beginning to think,
maybe this isn't what I want.So I'm a little bit like, even
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if he did become a vampire,how does it work if he was,
if he has the blood of avampire or slayer in him, As far
as we know, I don't thinkhe's ever been bitten. I am wondering
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if it will be possible to bitehim. Does he have some built in
defense either to keep him from beingbit at all, or does his blood
like taste terrible? You know?Does he automatically fight a vampire off even
though he thinks he's going into itwillingly? There's some like deep instinctual response
(58:32):
to a vampire attack that he can'tprevent himself from fighting off. I just
think there's a lot of variables inthe mix considering his family history, and
I am really really curious if that'sgoing to be the direction the show goes
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with regarding him trying to turn intoone, and if he succeeded, would
he just have incredible self loathing becausethis whole thing is supposed to be disliking
vampires, even though he doesn't.He lives with them and it hasn't seemed
to inhibit him too much. Everyreason he's disliked them has been valid,
So I don't know. Yeah,but that's it. That's a wrap on
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all of season four, and Iam I'm kind of startled at how little
has changed. It's like Giermo's takeawayat the end of the season almost feels
like the writers acknowledging themselves in ameta sense. Yeah, you know,
nothing ever really will change. That'skind of the point, and I have
(59:39):
pretty much accepted that mostly. Youknow, I think I knew that that's
the way the show has to bestructured, so that's fine. But Giermo
isn't a vampire, so for thingsto change for him at least that would
feel like something. All right,I'm going to wrap it up, but
thank you again so much Max forcommissioning this, and anybody who's interested in
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commissioning the next season get in touchlet me know. Like I said,
I'm gonna be watching the first episodeof the new season right away, so
I probably be in the no spoilerswith that, and I hope that y'all
have been enjoying the coverage until nexttime to the loom. Motherfucker's that was
(01:00:52):
an unspoiled network podcast.
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