May 16, 2025 • 58 mins
Alexander Markovsky, a Soviet immigrant who grew up as the son of a high-ranking Communist Party member, brings his rare and valuable perspective to this episode of STARRS & Stripes podcast hosted by retired Navy Commander Al Palmer. Markovsky offers listeners an insider's view of Marxist ideology and its modern manifestation in American institutions.
Drawing from his degrees in economics and political science from the University of Marxism and Leninism, Markovsky unpacks the fundamental nature of socialism as an "artificial social order" that requires enforcement to exist—making it inherently incompatible with freedom. His most startling revelation comes when he explains that "true economic equality can exist only in poverty," highlighting why every socialist experiment throughout history has resulted in oppression rather than liberation.
What makes Markovsky's warning particularly compelling is his analysis of how modern American socialism has evolved from traditional Marxist-Leninist approaches. He identifies a more subtle, "benevolent" form that doesn't require violent revolution but instead focuses on controlling three vital sectors—healthcare, finance, and energy—allowing for the gradual imposition of socialist policies without triggering immediate resistance. This strategy explains many current government policies that increase oversight in these critical areas.
The conversation takes a sobering turn when Markovsky draws direct parallels between Lenin's strategies and contemporary American policies, particularly regarding currency debasement and using the judicial system as a tool against political opponents. "What the Soviet Union could not achieve through its formidable military and nuclear capabilities is now being realized by duly elected American presidents and legislature," he observes with evident concern.
Listen now to understand how ideologies like Critical Race Theory and DEI policies potentially undermine American institutions, and discover why Markovsky believes the only antidote is a renewed focus on freedom, productivity, and the individual pursuit of prosperity. This episode presents a crucial warning from someone who has witnessed firsthand the destructive power of Marxist ideology.
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Al Palmer (00:11):
Well, hello America and welcome back to STARRS and
Stripes, your podcast forunderstanding what's happening
in today's military with DEI,CRT, diversity, equity and
inclusion and critical racetheory.
These are sort of corrosiveefforts that have been made to
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destroy some of what's importantin our country our readiness
and our ability to fight warsand defend our nation.
But it may run much deeper thanthat.
In a general sense, there's alot of confusion and doubt today
about some of the things thatare happening in our country
that are kind of confusing topeople, and we're here today to
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talk about that underlyingeffort.
With me is a very special guesttoday, somebody who's actually
lived through some of this kindof problem with ideology in the
past.
Alexander Markovsky is a Sovietimmigrant.
He holds degrees in economicsand political science from the
University of Marxism andLeninism and a graduate degree
(01:19):
in structural engineering fromMoscow University, and a
graduate degree in structuralengineering from Moscow
University.
He grew up the son of aCommunist Party member, and a
very high one at that, but heescaped and managed to get back
into the West because he wantedto see a little different view
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of how the world works.
He currently resides in Houston, texas, and he's an engineer
and he has a consulting companythat specializes in managing
large international projects.
He's also written a couple ofbooks and he's also published
over 300 articles about theeffects of Marxism, bolshevism,
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socialism, communism, and it's areal pleasure to have him here
today because he's going toanswer some questions, I think,
for us about where the SovietUnion was, where Marxism was and
where it is today, and theeffects.
So, alexander Markovsky, sir,it's great having you with us
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today as our guest on Stars andStripes.
Alexander Markovsky (02:29):
Thanks for inviting me.
It's a pleasure.
Al Palmer (02:32):
So, Alex, if you will , you might, just for our
audience's benefit, fill us in alittle bit about how you grew
up as a part of the Soviet Unionand then the effect that your
father had on your life.
It's a fascinating story.
Alexander Markovsky (02:49):
Well, I was born, raised and educated in
the Soviet Union.
My father was a manager of abig construction company a state
construction company, of courseand at the same time, you know,
he was a high-ranking member ofa local communist party.
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He also, he had been acommunist.
He didn't like that system.
He didn't like that system.
(03:34):
However, you know, you have toprovide for your family and
protect your family, and thatwas the way he had been doing it
.
One episode I'd like toemphasize one day he told me
that I have to venture intoUniversity of Marxism, Leninism
and study political relationsand economics economics.
(04:02):
So I knew my father's viewsabout the Soviets and I asked
him listen, dad, why do you haveto learn this crap?
And he said something reallyembedded in my thinking forever.
He said in order to survive,you have to understand the
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philosophy of your enemies.
I wish he looking at me fromabove and see how that really
worked for me, how it helped meto survive and achieve my goals.
When I tried to leave theSoviet Union it was year of 1967
(04:52):
.
And eventually it took eightyears me to get out of the
country because I understood thephilosophy of my enemies.
I never been incarcerated.
They allow me to finish mystudies.
(05:13):
When I got a job, I could workthere to the last day.
When I got.
Finally they got permission toleave, Unlike my friends who
tried to fight their way out,many of them, very unfortunately
(05:34):
, being prosecuted, incarcerated, some end up in psychiatric
clinics.
Because you see, you set upyour goals and you think how to
achieve them.
Not to deviate into something,perhaps what looks more
(06:02):
important like fighting theSoviets, fighting your way out,
but slowly and surely moveforward with your objectives,
and that worked very well for me.
Al Palmer (06:22):
So your father obviously helped you do that
because of his position in theparty.
Is that correct?
Alexander Markovsky (06:29):
Well, you know to a very little extent, to
be honest with you, not in away to help me to get out, but
in a way to understand whom I'mdealing with and how to do it.
Once he told me, he said you'retrying to fight them and they
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will crush you.
It's nothing for them to do it.
You just think what yourobjective is, don't deviate from
it, and understand whom you'redealing with, and I tell you
that worked like a charm.
Al Palmer (07:11):
Oh, yes, yeah, well, that does, and I'm delighted
that you were able to get outthe way that you did.
Yeah, because you ended uphaving a very successful career,
and you've written about thatextensively, and you've written
about that extensively.
So while you were there, though, you became a son of Marxism,
socialism, communism, and yougot to see that up close, but in
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our country, we don't see thosethings sometimes the same way,
so help our audience understanda little bit about how that
developed and what socialismreally is.
Alexander Markovsky (07:50):
Well, I'd love to do it.
We have to understand that,unlike slavery, feudalism,
capitalism that were product ofa natural evolution of society
were product of naturalevolution of society and that
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evolution was precipitated bythe rise in labor productivity.
Socialism is artificial socialorder and, as such, it needs to
be built.
It necessitates enforcement.
Since socialism cannot beimplemented without enforcement.
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Its very nature iscontradictory to freedom.
Our problem in America is thatthe contemporary political
thinking of American people ismore backward than that of
Russians or Chinese who haveexperienced it, and too many of
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them live in what I would callflat earth universe that know
nothing and, unfortunately,neither education, nor
upbringing nor life experienceprepares American for grasping
the veracity of change youremember that Barack Obama used
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it and understand what is infact tyranny and understand what
is in fact tyranny.
I know that proponents of thesystem of this new order may say
that, yes, we might have sometyranny, but it is for common
good.
And that's what really raisedmy blood pressure.
(09:42):
Because of course, yes, it is.
So were the French revolution,so there was Bolshevik
revolution in Russia.
There was a cultural revolutionin China.
So were the man-made greatfamine in the Soviet Union, and
so extermination of Jews inGermany.
(10:04):
Yes, it was so for common goodright, and millions and tens of
millions, and maybe evenhundreds of millions of people
will perish for the idea thatwas common good right.
So the institution of tyrannyis not restrained.
(10:24):
The tyranny does not dissipate,it intensifies.
It ultimately employ violenceto sustain itself, and there is
no limit to the violenceperpetrated for the common good
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or fairness In this country wehave experienced politically
motivated trials, massivegovernment regulations
restraining our freedom and evenattempted associations of
political opponents.
Al Palmer (11:05):
So wasn't that the promise, though, of the
Bolsheviks?
Lenin, in 1918, when they movedin and took over, you know,
actually seized the governmentright, and it was for the people
right.
Bolshevism for the people, andthat was the promise.
We're here to take over fromthose nasty czar regulations and
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things.
We're here to free you andwe're here to do good, but in
fact, is there good that ends upbeing done in the end?
Alexander Markovsky (11:41):
And isn't that what's kind of going on?
Al Palmer (11:42):
Yes.
Alexander Markovsky (11:43):
You remember those beautiful
Bolshevik slogans Land topeasants, bread to Hungary,
peace to people.
How that work, Okay, they sayyeah, bread to Hungary resulted
in famine, Peace to peopleresulted in civil war,
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revolution and civil war that 15million people perished.
So that's how it works.
You know it's a very big lie,but looks very appealing to the
masses but looks very appealingto the masses.
Al Palmer (12:36):
So that was a bit about moving forward with change
, hope and change.
Have we heard?
Alexander Markovsky (12:38):
that word Right, yeah, when they say now
it's different.
But just as you pointed out,you know maybe slogans a little
bit different.
Al Palmer (12:50):
But what you're left with is sort of an empty promise
of we're here to help, we knowyou're in trouble, we're here to
be the salvation for you.
Well, all you have to do ischange your form of governance
and the way you live and thingswill be fine.
Utopia, I guess, but so far hasutopia actually worked under
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socialism anywhere?
Alexander Markovsky (13:16):
Well, we know it hasn't worked thus far,
but what we hear every time wehear it now is different.
Yeah, we are not.
We are not greasy gangs ofmurders, we are not Bolsheviks.
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We are not a greasy gang ofmurders.
We're not gonna gang of murders.
We're not gonna see massexecution, we're not gonna see
concentration camps.
(13:59):
We will see beautiful life,Beautiful life in economic
equality.
And here I want to get toMarxism, that, as you know, the
political philosophy thatpromotes egalitarianism, which
is a theory of economic equality.
And that socialism is economicsystem based on Marxism.
Al Palmer (14:33):
Marxism.
So Marx had the view aboutcapitalism and he actually said
actually capitalism ain't so bad, it kind of does work, but he
just wanted to do away with it,right?
Alexander Markovsky (14:40):
Right.
We want to establish fairness,we want to do economic equality.
You can hear it all the time.
That is a song that communists,socialists and now our
democratic party is trying topromote.
And it's interesting, by theway, that Lenin, their slogans
(15:08):
are very popular and policiesthat they try to promote are
very appealing.
You remember?
Al Palmer (15:16):
how.
Alexander Markovsky (15:16):
Lenin defined socialism.
He said it organized onprinciple from each according to
his ability, to each accordingto his contribution, award,
whatever.
But that was not enough.
They promised you a realparadise.
On this side of the grave phaseof socialism will be communism,
(15:42):
which is defined as from eachaccording to his ability and to
each according to his needs.
That is very appealing ideabecause those ideas, those
illusory ideas, I would say ofeconomic equality and society,
(16:02):
when people of limited abilitiescan get according to their
unlimited needs, reallytranscend time and appeals to
people of all colors, all races.
So you have to understand thatthat is very powerful ideas,
(16:23):
whether they kill or not nobodycares.
You know, it's like a religion,except you're getting everything
, as I said, on this side of thegrave.
Al Palmer (16:37):
Well so, but in order to, in order for socialism to
succeed, actually Marxism evenworse.
If you're depending on just theability to convince people that
things are going to get better,reality kind of comes into
focus there too.
And the old Soviet Union,especially right after the czar,
you know, an agrarian societywhich was a little behind, way
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behind the power curve onindustrialization and technology
, if you will.
And also, you know, because ofthat they weren't able to
produce wealth the same way theWestern world was, and they were
fighting a war at the same time.
Those are the worst conditionsthat you can have if you're not
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busy creating the ability tofund it through revenue, through
wealth building, so all you'redoing is just rearranging the
decks on the Titanic.
You know you're not producinganything.
Alexander Markovsky (17:38):
That was the whole idea, and you touched
a very interesting subject.
I'd like to elaborate on it,please do Since the publication
of Marx's Capital, what wasabout 160 years ago?
Marxist socialists and theirfollowers have overlooked a
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fundamental contradictionEquality in wealth is an
oxymoron.
True economic equality canexist only in poverty.
Wealth, by its nature, cannotbe equal.
Thus, marxism is not thephilosophy of shared prosperity,
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but it's enforced poverty.
To be short, marxism is aphilosophy of poverty.
Al Palmer (18:37):
So wars, destruction and famine and everything that
leads to poverty, every famineand everything that leads to
poverty, and it leads toeconomic equality as they
understand it and, conversely,if you have the ability to
create wealth through individuallabor and success, you've got
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an incentive for people tocontinue to do it.
You don't have an incentive, itseems to me, when things fail,
like either in Cuba or NorthKorea, where there's immense
poverty and actually starvationand regimentation is extreme.
How does that make you feelhappy about going to work every
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day?
Alexander Markovsky (19:22):
Well, I'm sure you have the answer.
Al Palmer (19:29):
I wish I did.
Alexander Markovsky (19:34):
Well, nevertheless, with everything
you just pointed out, you knowit is very difficult to find an
idea that, instead of workinghard, as you just pointed out,
why it is easy just to take itfrom, let's say, Alex Markovsky
(19:57):
or Donald Trump, why don't wetake his wealth and divide it
between all of us?
Isn't it much easier way to doit?
But I tell you what, if thesupport of that economic
equality, including Marx'sgraduates of American
universities, absorbed humanhistory, they would realize that
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the only historical datum thatpoints to economic equality goes
back to the era of primitivecommunism.
About what, 10,000 years ago,before farming, people were
forced to obtain foodcollectively.
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Everything that was produced wasconsumed, there was no wealth
created and it was resulted intotal economic equality, in
absolute poverty.
Ironically, that's how economicequality can be achieved
(21:07):
Because, as we said earlier,economic equality and wealth are
mutually exclusive.
But, of course, as soon aspeople got into agriculture and
invented fences, well, theystart producing surplus, engage
in commerce and subsequentlystart building some wealth and
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inequality was born.
Yeah, because some were broader.
Al Palmer (21:38):
Yes, Some were broader, some had better land.
Alexander Markovsky (21:43):
You know, some invented fertilizer and on
and on and on.
Al Palmer (21:49):
But as long as there's opportunity for people
to rise from being in povertyand maybe not being so
prosperous, through their ownlabor, through their own efforts
, if they can succeed, then theycan change that paradigm.
If they can succeed, then theycan change that paradigm.
Well, they changed the paradigm, but you created wealth
(22:09):
inequality, correct, yeah, butagain, as you say, that's
necessary for people to want todo better.
Alexander Markovsky (22:19):
Well, but people who don't do better is a
majority.
Al Palmer (22:24):
Yeah.
Alexander Markovsky (22:26):
Isn't it?
Not?
Everybody become Elon Musk orSteve Jobs?
Al Palmer (22:35):
Yeah.
Alexander Markovsky (22:36):
Because I'll get to it perhaps later a
little bit.
But God did not create us allequal.
Al Palmer (22:46):
But, as we were talking about earlier, because,
like in the old Soviet Union,because it was stagnant, being
more agricultural rather thanindustrial, where they were
creating new products, newservices, new wealth, because of
that it just sort of stayed thesame, and we can't allow that
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to happen to us, can we?
Alexander Markovsky (23:10):
I certainly hope so, but it's not that
simple.
Al Palmer (23:21):
Again, I said successful people are in
minority, yep.
Well, as you would expect,because not everybody can do it.
So let me ask another questionhere.
So what was Marx's role inchanging socialism into pure
Marxism as it exists today?
Alexander Markovsky (23:48):
I would go back to the collapse of the
Soviet Union in 1991.
That was held, especially inthe United States, as a victory
for freedom, triumph ofdemocracy over totalitarianism.
But I think the germination waspremature.
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However, the ideas of Marx andLenin did not die.
They just and the demise ofsocialism was not irrevocable.
It's like a deadly bacteriathat mutates to become
resilience to antibiotics.
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Marx is adopting a new realityand, in one of the most dramatic
reversal of history,comfortably relocated to the
United States, where it'sacquired a new life and
malignancy within the democraticparty.
And in 2008, this revolutionaryferment culminated in the
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election of Barack Obama, thearchitect of a new, I would say
benevolent, form of Marxism.
It was designed to separateDemocrats, as I told earlier,
from the grisly gang of RussianBolshevik terrorists and mass
murderers and offer a newimaginative path to socialism in
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the United States.
I personally believe thatBarack Obama is a leading
Marxist of our time.
He is very intelligent, he isimaginative and he, I would say,
came up with a solution toinstall socialism without
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murders, without that massterror.
And now when they say, hey,this time it's different, this
time socialism is democratic,well, I will take it with a big
(26:07):
grain of salt and I wonder howit's different.
And I knew that, I expected youto ask me this question and.
I even got some quotes that youmight be interested in.
Al Palmer (26:26):
I know I would.
Alexander Markovsky (26:28):
So what's the definition of social
democracy?
Social democracy is a politicalideology that has as its goal
the establishment of socialismthrough the implementation of
policy regime that includes, butnot limited to, high taxation,
government regulation of privateenterprises and the
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establishment of a universalwelfare state.
So democratic socialism is nota new version of socialism, it's
just another method ofestablishing socialism.
Al Palmer (27:09):
Yes, well you know, but even with Barack Obama and
his administration, when theycame in fundamentally changing,
it was also about redistributionof wealth, which he made kind
of an error, I think, when hewas interviewing Joe the Plumber
during one of his campaignstops.
He said look know, you're asmall business guy, what do you
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want?
We're going to redistribute thewealth.
That didn't go over very well,but it did kind of reveal
something about maybe theexisting plans of the socialists
and others and ideologies andwhat they wanted to do.
You know, if you go back andeven to the early 1960s, the
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Communist Party of the UnitedStates was very good about
putting out a whole list ofthings that they wanted to do,
which, if you look at it today,some of them are a little out of
touch, but some are not.
Gaining control of schools,gaining control of student
newspapers, fomenting riots sothat you could illustrate
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disaffection for the government,infiltrating the press, gaining
control of the radio and TV andmotion pictures, discrediting
American culture by degradinghistory these are just a few of
the over 50 goals that thecommunists actually put into the
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country.
That's part of thecongressional record, so that's
not speculation, but those arethe things that they were
talking about then in 1963.
So if you look at it that wayand fast forward into current
administrations, there's a lotof that that's now resident and
still there, but maybe kind ofunder camouflage or concealed.
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How do you feel about that?
Alexander Markovsky (29:18):
about that.
Well, they started it.
Well, we might say that it allstarted with Franklin Delano
Roosevelt, those socialisttendencies.
But over the time it'sprogressed and we can't just
blame the Democrats.
The Republican Party washelping them, whether knowingly
or unknowingly, and neverthelessthey went ahead and supported
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those ideas over the years andwe can discuss in length a
little bit later and I thoughtabout that.
I expected this kind ofquestioning okay yes, you're
absolutely correct.
You know it started earlier andover the years.
(30:03):
You probably remember those reddiapers babies.
You remember that, that whenthe whole generations, you know,
have been educated andindoctrinated into socialist
(30:23):
ideas.
It has happened, you know, andyou know, even if you remember
it was said, that indoctrinationcan be done with one generation
.
You know, if you school peopleproperly, and Lenin even once
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said if you give me a child, asix-year-old child, I put seeds
in his brain that will not berooted.
Al Palmer (31:00):
Well, that is one of the keys.
Alexander Markovsky (31:01):
That's what's been done over the years.
Al Palmer (31:05):
Yeah, and that's the hidden part.
Perhaps that is hard for peopleto see sometimes.
If it's postulated as beinghelpful to the people, solving
problems and all that, which, ifit happens, is great, but when
it doesn't happen and thenthere's another side of that
that creates problems and hurtspeople, then that's a
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destructive kind of philosophy,and it seems that that's where
Marx was headed was tearing downand destroying things so you
could build it up into what youwanted.
Is that true?
Alexander Markovsky (31:42):
Yes, that is true, that is very true.
Al Palmer (31:48):
So it was implemented in the United States then by.
I think had a lot to do in the60s with the anti-war movement
getting into universities andcollege students, getting then
into the media and the publicand creating a sense that the
country was not good and there'ssomething wrong with it.
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Let's change it.
That's where some of the calls,I think, for change started
early.
Alexander Markovsky (32:15):
Yes, but he was very.
If you're talking about Obama,he was very imaginative about it
.
I would say he was an architectof this new strategy when he
announced fundamentaltransformation of America.
When he announced fundamentaltransformation of America.
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As an ardent Marxist whopossesses a deeper understanding
of Marxism than most of moderncounterparts, obama has changed
fundamental principles of theideology.
We have to look at it fromdifferent perspective, contrary
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to Marx.
He looked at a differentperspective.
Contrary to Karl Marx's dogmathat transition to socialism
must be accomplished throughviolent struggle by the
organized working class, theproletariat, who Marx said
nothing to lose but their chain,obama recognized that the
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traditional proletarians nolonger exist in the United
States.
Capitalism transformed them intobourgeoisie or middle class,
with home ownership, two cars inthe garage, kids in the college
and all and all and all that.
They have a lot to lose, unlikethe proletarians that Karl Marx
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described.
So Obama came up withimaginative solution to it.
He confronted Karl Marx'spostulatio.
The prime goal of socialism,evolution of private property
and concentration means ofproduction in the hands of
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government is wealthredistribution.
Al Palmer (34:14):
Instead.
Alexander Markovsky (34:14):
Obama accepted Leon Trotsky's
interpretation.
In a country, he said Trotskysaid, in a country where sole
employer is the state, theopposition means death by slow
starvation.
And he went even further.
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He said the old communistprinciple who doesn't work shall
not eat has been replaced witha new one who does not obey
shall not eat.
So he concluded, quitecorrectly by the way, that as
long as government controls theeconomy, it controls profits.
Most importantly, obamaconcluded that to control the
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economy, the government mustcontrol only three vital sectors
healthcare, finance and energy.
So we don't need a revolution,we don't have to expropriate
private property, we don't haveto create mass murder.
We can do it slowly, we can doit what appears to be peacefully
(35:22):
.
So, by controlling profits, thegovernment can gradually impose
socialism.
Hence neither revolution norexpropriation is necessary.
Al Palmer (35:39):
So instead of being overt and in your face it's kind
of like slowly cooking the frogRight, right, you just keep
turning the time, yes, so it'sthe same thing, except they're
doing slowly.
So the fraud doesn't know it'sbeing cooked even until it's too
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late.
Alexander Markovsky (36:03):
It's too late and he's been successful in
it.
You remember that Frank andAffordable Care Act successfully
placed financial and healthsector under government
oversight.
Similarly, you remember KamalaHarris proposed that called
Medicare for all.
(36:23):
Yes, that would place harnessof government control on
American people.
So they, as I said, they neededthree sectors of economy.
So they got financial sector.
They got healthcare undercontrol.
(36:44):
What they couldn't get wasenergy.
So they come up with thispseudo-scientific theory of
global warming, cooling climatechange, whatever is popular
nowadays, you know, and to putregulations and suffocate the
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energy sector by regulations.
Very creative, I have to sayVery creative.
Al Palmer (37:19):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
So those are just some of theinstitutions that have been
co-opted or taken over in somecases the education system,
energy now but there were otherparts, including the military
and government, where you wouldsay that would be the last place
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that you want to have.
Something like an ideology takecontrol, and that's where STARS
got into, kind of.
This whole thing was fightingthe critical race theory,
implementation, which wasunequal treatment, picking on
outside things for peoplesucceeding, which didn't involve
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meritocracy, and then gettinginto diversity, equity and
inclusion, which were terms thatwere used in the public, which
I don't think people to this dayfully still understand.
So isn't that the way thatcommunism, marxism, worked?
Alexander Markovsky (38:22):
Worked in the United States.
You know that's what they aredoing it, and instead of bloody
revolution they do it what I'vesaid benevolent way, you know,
just seems like we're peacefuland you probably won't even
notice what they were doing.
Al Palmer (38:43):
But sooner or later doesn't reality take over?
Alexander Markovsky (38:48):
Well, it may, but it could be way too
late.
Al Palmer (38:53):
I mean it's like spending other people's money
right.
Alexander Markovsky (38:56):
Sooner or later you run out of that and
then you've got to face thereality so well, you just
touched something interestingbecause, although Obama, as I
said, created a creative,imaginative way to install
socialism, they still useBolshevik's methods from time to
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time to enforce their ideas,because we know we already
talked about it that socialismis an artificial system and has
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to be enforced, but it's so.
They gradually, as you justpointed out, gradually
undermines Eastern institutionssuch as marriage, religion, the
free market economy, thejudicial system and the
principle of individual liberty.
They depict them as outdated,unjust and discriminatory.
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Well, it's interesting you hadmentioned those particular,
change traditional family values, aligning with Lenin's
assertion destroy the family,you destroy the society.
After we dismantle it,establish constitutional order.
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By the way, just remind me theyalso extending the voting
rights to non-citizens Throughopen borders.
Millions of migrants haveentered the United States with
dubious past and so even thestate of.
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California, I think theyimplement policies that
automatically registerundocumented or undocumented
legal individuals to work whenthey obtain a driver license.
So Democrats consistentlyoppose water ID laws and the
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efforts to clean water rolls.
So history has shown that thesocialist movement, that the
socialist movement, fraud isoften used as a powerful tool in
their political arsenal.
Al Palmer (41:36):
Oh yes.
Alexander Markovsky (41:38):
And they do not experience Soviet Russian
predecessor.
Al Palmer (41:46):
So, as we have been talking about, though you know,
the efforts to infiltrateinstitutions, to destroy from
inside, to change, to obfuscate,to hide things, to slowly,
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coercively get rid of parts ofgovernment and things.
Those are things that have beentried in other countries, and
has there been a place again wetalked about this earlier has
there been a place where that'sworked effectively, taking all
those institutions, changingthem, making the governments
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maybe even go away and reform?
Is that working somewhere?
Alexander Markovsky (42:32):
Well, when you say working, whether they
succeed in doing it, yes, inSoviet Russia, yes, they did it.
But what I failed to mentionthus far, one of the Bolshevik's
tools that is widely used inthe United States and maybe one
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of the most destructive toolsthat they use.
And I prepare for you something, what Lingen said, and you will
see how it reflected in theUnited States.
So on April 22nd 1919, on his50th birthday, I don't know,
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maybe Lenin got a little bitmore vodka than usual, but he
told us something astonishing.
You know how they destroywealth.
He gave interview to LondonDaily Chronicle and he said and,
(43:43):
by the way, the next dayinterview was published in New
York Times on the headline talkwith the Bolshevik head.
And when I was writing my book Iwent to the library and I got
that New York Times and read itfrom the New York Times.
And that's what Lenin saidExperience has taught us that it
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is impossible to root out theevil of capitalism merely by
confiscation and expropriation.
However ruthlessly suchmeasures may be applied.
Astute speculators andsurvivors of capitalist classes
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will always manage to evade themand continue to corrupt the
life of the community.
He said so.
To accomplish this, lenindeclared debauched the currency
to overturn the basis of society.
The destruction of currency wasthe main component of
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Bolshevik's strategy.
So during the interview he wenteven further and elaborated on
the implication of this strategy.
He said hundreds of thousandsof rubles were being issued
daily by our treasure.
This is done not in order tofill the coffers of the state,
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but practically worthless paper,but with the deliberate
intention of destroying thevalue of money as means of
payment.
This simplest way toexterminate the very spirit of
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capitalism.
Therefore, the flood ofcurrency which notes of high
face value, without financialguarantee of any sort, the great
illusion of the value of powerof money on which the capitalist
state is based will have beendefinitely destroyed".
Al Palmer (46:06):
So what he was doing was….
But isn't the strategy?
Alexander Markovsky (46:10):
that we are experiencing in the last, I
would say, let's say, 30 or 40years.
You remember that since 1971,the national debt was rising
from 700 billion to anastonishing I don't know 35, 36
trillion today, and it was donebeautifully and this
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participation of the Republicans.
Al Palmer (46:41):
By spending so much.
Alexander Markovsky (46:43):
So we are destroying our currency exactly
by playing Leninin script.
Al Palmer (46:52):
And what he did was he made it appear as if there
was wealth and revenue beingproduced by just making more
worthless paper.
But it was deception, right.
Alexander Markovsky (47:06):
Right and eventually the system collapsed.
That was his intention, so hedestroyed wealth and that I keep
saying so do you mean that yes?
Socialism is not about wealthdistribution.
It's about wealth destruction,because the only way you can
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achieve economic equality inpoverty.
Al Palmer (47:33):
Yeah, because that's all you got.
So do you see pieces of that inour society today?
Alexander Markovsky (47:44):
Is that accurate?
That's exactly what I point out, right?
You know we raised the debt.
You know, from 700 billion to35 trillion and you know the
equation.
Al Palmer (47:58):
Yeah, and there's also talk, you know today, about
doing away with fascists andthen focus on oligarchy.
How about that one?
Alexander Markovsky (48:09):
Yes, exactly, you know yes.
Yeah's not all the destructionof currency.
It's one piece, but we aredealing with multifaceted
strategy that also includes,let's say, judicial system.
It's a tool of intimidation,targeting, imprisoning political
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opponents, in the line withwhat Lenin used to say we can
have two parties.
Lenin said we can have twoparties, One in power, the other
in jail.
And we remember prosecution of6,000 people who participated in
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the protest in January.
Al Palmer (49:01):
What was it?
John KOTLERMANN JR, january 6,yeah.
Alexander Markovsky (49:04):
GARY IRISHKOVICH, kayyemenkovich,
kayyemenkovich.
But how about the maliciousprosecution of Donald Trump
about?
Al Palmer (49:14):
the malicious prosecution of Donald Trump.
Well, that's part of an effort.
If you were going to try tooverthrow or dismantle a
government, that's the way youwould do it, and the Communist
Party has been very open abouttrying to do exactly that
Discredit the founding fathers,destroy the Constitution,
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replace government withautocracy and make it so
difficult for people to livethat you're constantly going
through hoops trying to getthings done, and it's just a
burdensome way of doing it.
That's how all theseregulations, it seems, showed up
during the last decade or so,and that's what now the effort
(49:56):
is Eliminate those, get rid ofbig government, get rid of the
regulations, restore theobjectivity and, if you will,
the legal blindness of justiceso that there's no interference
that way either.
But these are huge things thatexist and I'm disturbed that the
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general public doesn't seeenough of this to understand the
threat that exists today.
Alexander Markovsky (50:25):
You're right.
You're absolutely right.
I will tell you, even go evenfurther.
I would say that in the last 30years, russia and America
reversed places regardingMarxism.
While Russia has ended its loveaffair with socialism and
Marxism, the United Statescontracted this infectious
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disease.
I bet you that communist leader, ranging from Lenin to Brezhnev
, watching this from what theycall the great beyond with a
sardonic smile.
What Soviet Union could notachieve through its formidable
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military and nuclearcapabilities is now being
realized by duly electedAmerican presidents and
legislature backed by theAmerican electorate.
It's crazy.
Al Palmer (51:31):
Well, I remember reading that Lenin, when he
actually succeeded in installingthe Bolsheviks after the
interim government that followedthe Tsar, when he came from
Europe just to do that, I don'tthink he was expecting that to
be so successful.
In fact, he even said that hewas amazed at how quickly and
(51:54):
successfully they were able totake over the government.
It happened almost overnight.
Alexander Markovsky (52:00):
Right, right.
It was a very successfulrevolution in 1917.
Al Palmer (52:05):
Very successful and it lasted for quite a while, but
then didn't it alsodisintegrate almost in days?
Alexander Markovsk (52:15):
Disintegrate what?
Al Palmer (52:18):
The Soviet Union.
Didn't it kind of disintegrate?
Oh well, in 1991,.
Alexander Markovsky (52:22):
Yes, it collapsed absolutely
unexpectedly and extremely fast,just as you said within days,
that's just what you said.
Al Palmer (52:33):
So the survival depends on the forces that were
forming it to keep doing whatthey're doing without any
possibility of change.
Once that change starts in someplace, then it's kind of
curtains.
I guess maybe in our Westernsociety is to find ways to make
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sure that reality bites thatpeople are looking at what's
real, not what's imaginary orutopian.
Alexander Markovsky (53:10):
Well, part of it is education, yes, which I
would say in this countrybecomes absolutely deplorable,
and that, of course, helpscommunists, socialists, whatever
you know, helps them toundermine.
Al Palmer (53:29):
And I would say so far quite successfully.
Yeah, and that's part of it isrestoring the appreciation for a
free society that's based onindividualism, using your own
labor to get ahead, to besuccessful and then not being
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burdened by everybody else'sneeds.
You know, I talked the otherday about a parallel in our
history that occurred when ourcountry was being formed, at
Jamestown.
You know, they put togethercollectives to, you know, make
wheat and farm products so thatall of the people could survive
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the winter and they would haveenough to succeed.
They'd all put their stuff inthe big warehouse and they'd all
distribute it.
You know, during the year whenit got cold, Problem was not
everybody was producing and noteverybody was supporting that
effort.
So it kind of fell apartbecause of that was supporting
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that effort.
So it kind of fell apartbecause of that.
So the collective depends onenforcement of everybody having
a certain part of that.
Was that not kind of what wasgoing on in the old collectives
of the Soviet Union?
Alexander Markovsky (54:44):
Yes, that's what we discussed earlier.
You know that system isunnatural and requires
enforcement, Otherwise itwouldn't work.
It didn't work even withenforcement, but for a while it
does work.
Al Palmer (55:05):
So the antidote seems to be the focus on reality,
productivity, wealth generationas an incentive for people to
live better, and some of thatfocuses around economics, some
of it around religion, some ofit around philosophy, but in a
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way that produces something asgood for the society.
And as I look at the productsof Marxism and Leninism and
Bolshevism, all the isms is thatthey were designed for
destruction and dismantling andrebuilding something that was
uncertain.
Alexander Markovsky (56:01):
Well, what you just said probably basically
the freedom is a driving forceof wealth creation, and you know
so any suppression of freedomresults in the diminishing of
wealth creation.
That's exactly what the purposeof Marxism, you know to make us
all equal.
And making us all equal, wealready said it a number of
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times that it can be done onlyin poverty.
Al Palmer (56:29):
Well, so I think that we struck on perhaps the value
of talking with you today, andthat is for people to understand
that there is a way forward notto use that word, as was done
collectively by the Soviets, butthere is a way to solve the
problem of where we are, thatwe're starting to get forces
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that are fighting against usbeing prosperous and good people
.
You know, that seems to be thein the end the solution I would
think, but that's a lot of hardwork, isn't it?
Yes, yes, it does, yes, and sothat's why we're here today to
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talk about this and, uh, and I'mI'm'm grateful, alex, for you
helping with understanding that,particularly from your
perspective, as, having grown upwith that, we're going to
pursue some more of this infuture episodes of Stars and
Stripes, we're going to havesome panel discussions and some
deeper dives, if you will, onwhat, what's happened, what can
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change somewhat from theperspective of our role, which
is to make our military and ourgovernment more successful, and
particularly the warfighter andbeing able to fight off all
these elements that come toexist.
But that's coming up for ouraudience in future episodes and,
alex, I'm grateful to you, sir,for being a part of our
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discussion today and I'm lookingforward to deepen our dive into
this for future episodes.
Alexander Markovsky (58:00):
Well, I'm very proud to be part of your
efforts and thank you forinviting me.
Al Palmer (58:08):
Alex, thank you, and so for our audience, stay tuned.
There's more to come.
And I would just mention thatwe're not a political
organization.
We don't have candidates, wedon't have perspectives for
elections, but what we do islike to discuss history and the
way the world is today, and ourbig motto around here is reality
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bites.
It's easy to have fantasies andbig ideas, but you still have
to deal with the reality of life, and that's kind of what we're
here to discuss.
So, alex, thank you, and to ouraudience, we'll see you next
time.
Well, hello America and welcome back to STARRS and
Stripes, your podcast forunderstanding what's happening
in today's military with DEI,CRT, diversity, equity and
inclusion and critical racetheory.
These are sort of corrosiveefforts that have been made to
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destroy some of what's importantin our country our readiness
and our ability to fight warsand defend our nation.
But it may run much deeper thanthat.
In a general sense, there's alot of confusion and doubt today
about some of the things thatare happening in our country
that are kind of confusing topeople, and we're here today to
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talk about that underlyingeffort.
With me is a very special guesttoday, somebody who's actually
lived through some of this kindof problem with ideology in the
past.
Alexander Markovsky is a Sovietimmigrant.
He holds degrees in economicsand political science from the
University of Marxism andLeninism and a graduate degree
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in structural engineering fromMoscow University, and a
graduate degree in structuralengineering from Moscow
University.
He grew up the son of aCommunist Party member, and a
very high one at that, but heescaped and managed to get back
into the West because he wantedto see a little different view
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of how the world works.
He currently resides in Houston, texas, and he's an engineer
and he has a consulting companythat specializes in managing
large international projects.
He's also written a couple ofbooks and he's also published
over 300 articles about theeffects of Marxism, bolshevism,
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socialism, communism, and it's areal pleasure to have him here
today because he's going toanswer some questions, I think,
for us about where the SovietUnion was, where Marxism was and
where it is today, and theeffects.
So, alexander Markovsky, sir,it's great having you with us
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today as our guest on Stars andStripes.
Alexander Markovsky (02:29):
Thanks for inviting me.
It's a pleasure.
Al Palmer (02:32):
So, Alex, if you will , you might, just for our
audience's benefit, fill us in alittle bit about how you grew
up as a part of the Soviet Unionand then the effect that your
father had on your life.
It's a fascinating story.
Alexander Markovsky (02:49):
Well, I was born, raised and educated in
the Soviet Union.
My father was a manager of abig construction company a state
construction company, of courseand at the same time, you know,
he was a high-ranking member ofa local communist party.
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He also, he had been acommunist.
He didn't like that system.
He didn't like that system.
(03:34):
However, you know, you have toprovide for your family and
protect your family, and thatwas the way he had been doing it
.
One episode I'd like toemphasize one day he told me
that I have to venture intoUniversity of Marxism, Leninism
and study political relationsand economics economics.
(04:02):
So I knew my father's viewsabout the Soviets and I asked
him listen, dad, why do you haveto learn this crap?
And he said something reallyembedded in my thinking forever.
He said in order to survive,you have to understand the
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philosophy of your enemies.
I wish he looking at me fromabove and see how that really
worked for me, how it helped meto survive and achieve my goals.
When I tried to leave theSoviet Union it was year of 1967
(04:52):
.
And eventually it took eightyears me to get out of the
country because I understood thephilosophy of my enemies.
I never been incarcerated.
They allow me to finish mystudies.
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When I got a job, I could workthere to the last day.
When I got.
Finally they got permission toleave, Unlike my friends who
tried to fight their way out,many of them, very unfortunately
(05:34):
, being prosecuted, incarcerated, some end up in psychiatric
clinics.
Because you see, you set upyour goals and you think how to
achieve them.
Not to deviate into something,perhaps what looks more
(06:02):
important like fighting theSoviets, fighting your way out,
but slowly and surely moveforward with your objectives,
and that worked very well for me.
Al Palmer (06:22):
So your father obviously helped you do that
because of his position in theparty.
Is that correct?
Alexander Markovsky (06:29):
Well, you know to a very little extent, to
be honest with you, not in away to help me to get out, but
in a way to understand whom I'mdealing with and how to do it.
Once he told me, he said you'retrying to fight them and they
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will crush you.
It's nothing for them to do it.
You just think what yourobjective is, don't deviate from
it, and understand whom you'redealing with, and I tell you
that worked like a charm.
Al Palmer (07:11):
Oh, yes, yeah, well, that does, and I'm delighted
that you were able to get outthe way that you did.
Yeah, because you ended uphaving a very successful career,
and you've written about thatextensively, and you've written
about that extensively.
So while you were there, though, you became a son of Marxism,
socialism, communism, and yougot to see that up close, but in
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our country, we don't see thosethings sometimes the same way,
so help our audience understanda little bit about how that
developed and what socialismreally is.
Alexander Markovsky (07:50):
Well, I'd love to do it.
We have to understand that,unlike slavery, feudalism,
capitalism that were product ofa natural evolution of society
were product of naturalevolution of society and that
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evolution was precipitated bythe rise in labor productivity.
Socialism is artificial socialorder and, as such, it needs to
be built.
It necessitates enforcement.
Since socialism cannot beimplemented without enforcement.
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Its very nature iscontradictory to freedom.
Our problem in America is thatthe contemporary political
thinking of American people ismore backward than that of
Russians or Chinese who haveexperienced it, and too many of
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them live in what I would callflat earth universe that know
nothing and, unfortunately,neither education, nor
upbringing nor life experienceprepares American for grasping
the veracity of change youremember that Barack Obama used
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it and understand what is infact tyranny and understand what
is in fact tyranny.
I know that proponents of thesystem of this new order may say
that, yes, we might have sometyranny, but it is for common
good.
And that's what really raisedmy blood pressure.
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Because of course, yes, it is.
So were the French revolution,so there was Bolshevik
revolution in Russia.
There was a cultural revolutionin China.
So were the man-made greatfamine in the Soviet Union, and
so extermination of Jews inGermany.
(10:04):
Yes, it was so for common goodright, and millions and tens of
millions, and maybe evenhundreds of millions of people
will perish for the idea thatwas common good right.
So the institution of tyrannyis not restrained.
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The tyranny does not dissipate,it intensifies.
It ultimately employ violenceto sustain itself, and there is
no limit to the violenceperpetrated for the common good
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or fairness In this country wehave experienced politically
motivated trials, massivegovernment regulations
restraining our freedom and evenattempted associations of
political opponents.
Al Palmer (11:05):
So wasn't that the promise, though, of the
Bolsheviks?
Lenin, in 1918, when they movedin and took over, you know,
actually seized the governmentright, and it was for the people
right.
Bolshevism for the people, andthat was the promise.
We're here to take over fromthose nasty czar regulations and
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things.
We're here to free you andwe're here to do good, but in
fact, is there good that ends upbeing done in the end?
Alexander Markovsky (11:41):
And isn't that what's kind of going on?
Al Palmer (11:42):
Yes.
Alexander Markovsky (11:43):
You remember those beautiful
Bolshevik slogans Land topeasants, bread to Hungary,
peace to people.
How that work, Okay, they sayyeah, bread to Hungary resulted
in famine, Peace to peopleresulted in civil war,
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revolution and civil war that 15million people perished.
So that's how it works.
You know it's a very big lie,but looks very appealing to the
masses but looks very appealingto the masses.
Al Palmer (12:36):
So that was a bit about moving forward with change
, hope and change.
Have we heard?
Alexander Markovsky (12:38):
that word Right, yeah, when they say now
it's different.
But just as you pointed out,you know maybe slogans a little
bit different.
Al Palmer (12:50):
But what you're left with is sort of an empty promise
of we're here to help, we knowyou're in trouble, we're here to
be the salvation for you.
Well, all you have to do ischange your form of governance
and the way you live and thingswill be fine.
Utopia, I guess, but so far hasutopia actually worked under
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socialism anywhere?
Alexander Markovsky (13:16):
Well, we know it hasn't worked thus far,
but what we hear every time wehear it now is different.
Yeah, we are not.
We are not greasy gangs ofmurders, we are not Bolsheviks.
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We are not a greasy gang ofmurders.
We're not gonna gang of murders.
We're not gonna see massexecution, we're not gonna see
concentration camps.
(13:59):
We will see beautiful life,Beautiful life in economic
equality.
And here I want to get toMarxism, that, as you know, the
political philosophy thatpromotes egalitarianism, which
is a theory of economic equality.
And that socialism is economicsystem based on Marxism.
Al Palmer (14:33):
Marxism.
So Marx had the view aboutcapitalism and he actually said
actually capitalism ain't so bad, it kind of does work, but he
just wanted to do away with it,right?
Alexander Markovsky (14:40):
Right.
We want to establish fairness,we want to do economic equality.
You can hear it all the time.
That is a song that communists,socialists and now our
democratic party is trying topromote.
And it's interesting, by theway, that Lenin, their slogans
(15:08):
are very popular and policiesthat they try to promote are
very appealing.
You remember?
Al Palmer (15:16):
how.
Alexander Markovsky (15:16):
Lenin defined socialism.
He said it organized onprinciple from each according to
his ability, to each accordingto his contribution, award,
whatever.
But that was not enough.
They promised you a realparadise.
On this side of the grave phaseof socialism will be communism,
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which is defined as from eachaccording to his ability and to
each according to his needs.
That is very appealing ideabecause those ideas, those
illusory ideas, I would say ofeconomic equality and society,
(16:02):
when people of limited abilitiescan get according to their
unlimited needs, reallytranscend time and appeals to
people of all colors, all races.
So you have to understand thatthat is very powerful ideas,
(16:23):
whether they kill or not nobodycares.
You know, it's like a religion,except you're getting everything
, as I said, on this side of thegrave.
Al Palmer (16:37):
Well so, but in order to, in order for socialism to
succeed, actually Marxism evenworse.
If you're depending on just theability to convince people that
things are going to get better,reality kind of comes into
focus there too.
And the old Soviet Union,especially right after the czar,
you know, an agrarian societywhich was a little behind, way
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behind the power curve onindustrialization and technology
, if you will.
And also, you know, because ofthat they weren't able to
produce wealth the same way theWestern world was, and they were
fighting a war at the same time.
Those are the worst conditionsthat you can have if you're not
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busy creating the ability tofund it through revenue, through
wealth building, so all you'redoing is just rearranging the
decks on the Titanic.
You know you're not producinganything.
Alexander Markovsky (17:38):
That was the whole idea, and you touched
a very interesting subject.
I'd like to elaborate on it,please do Since the publication
of Marx's Capital, what wasabout 160 years ago?
Marxist socialists and theirfollowers have overlooked a
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fundamental contradictionEquality in wealth is an
oxymoron.
True economic equality canexist only in poverty.
Wealth, by its nature, cannotbe equal.
Thus, marxism is not thephilosophy of shared prosperity,
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but it's enforced poverty.
To be short, marxism is aphilosophy of poverty.
Al Palmer (18:37):
So wars, destruction and famine and everything that
leads to poverty, every famineand everything that leads to
poverty, and it leads toeconomic equality as they
understand it and, conversely,if you have the ability to
create wealth through individuallabor and success, you've got
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an incentive for people tocontinue to do it.
You don't have an incentive, itseems to me, when things fail,
like either in Cuba or NorthKorea, where there's immense
poverty and actually starvationand regimentation is extreme.
How does that make you feelhappy about going to work every
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day?
Alexander Markovsky (19:22):
Well, I'm sure you have the answer.
Al Palmer (19:29):
I wish I did.
Alexander Markovsky (19:34):
Well, nevertheless, with everything
you just pointed out, you knowit is very difficult to find an
idea that, instead of workinghard, as you just pointed out,
why it is easy just to take itfrom, let's say, Alex Markovsky
(19:57):
or Donald Trump, why don't wetake his wealth and divide it
between all of us?
Isn't it much easier way to doit?
But I tell you what, if thesupport of that economic
equality, including Marx'sgraduates of American
universities, absorbed humanhistory, they would realize that
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the only historical datum thatpoints to economic equality goes
back to the era of primitivecommunism.
About what, 10,000 years ago,before farming, people were
forced to obtain foodcollectively.
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Everything that was produced wasconsumed, there was no wealth
created and it was resulted intotal economic equality, in
absolute poverty.
Ironically, that's how economicequality can be achieved
(21:07):
Because, as we said earlier,economic equality and wealth are
mutually exclusive.
But, of course, as soon aspeople got into agriculture and
invented fences, well, theystart producing surplus, engage
in commerce and subsequentlystart building some wealth and
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inequality was born.
Yeah, because some were broader.
Al Palmer (21:38):
Yes, Some were broader, some had better land.
Alexander Markovsky (21:43):
You know, some invented fertilizer and on
and on and on.
Al Palmer (21:49):
But as long as there's opportunity for people
to rise from being in povertyand maybe not being so
prosperous, through their ownlabor, through their own efforts
, if they can succeed, then theycan change that paradigm.
If they can succeed, then theycan change that paradigm.
Well, they changed the paradigm, but you created wealth
(22:09):
inequality, correct, yeah, butagain, as you say, that's
necessary for people to want todo better.
Alexander Markovsky (22:19):
Well, but people who don't do better is a
majority.
Al Palmer (22:24):
Yeah.
Alexander Markovsky (22:26):
Isn't it?
Not?
Everybody become Elon Musk orSteve Jobs?
Al Palmer (22:35):
Yeah.
Alexander Markovsky (22:36):
Because I'll get to it perhaps later a
little bit.
But God did not create us allequal.
Al Palmer (22:46):
But, as we were talking about earlier, because,
like in the old Soviet Union,because it was stagnant, being
more agricultural rather thanindustrial, where they were
creating new products, newservices, new wealth, because of
that it just sort of stayed thesame, and we can't allow that
(23:07):
to happen to us, can we?
Alexander Markovsky (23:10):
I certainly hope so, but it's not that
simple.
Al Palmer (23:21):
Again, I said successful people are in
minority, yep.
Well, as you would expect,because not everybody can do it.
So let me ask another questionhere.
So what was Marx's role inchanging socialism into pure
Marxism as it exists today?
Alexander Markovsky (23:48):
I would go back to the collapse of the
Soviet Union in 1991.
That was held, especially inthe United States, as a victory
for freedom, triumph ofdemocracy over totalitarianism.
But I think the germination waspremature.
(24:10):
However, the ideas of Marx andLenin did not die.
They just and the demise ofsocialism was not irrevocable.
It's like a deadly bacteriathat mutates to become
resilience to antibiotics.
(24:30):
Marx is adopting a new realityand, in one of the most dramatic
reversal of history,comfortably relocated to the
United States, where it'sacquired a new life and
malignancy within the democraticparty.
And in 2008, this revolutionaryferment culminated in the
(24:56):
election of Barack Obama, thearchitect of a new, I would say
benevolent, form of Marxism.
It was designed to separateDemocrats, as I told earlier,
from the grisly gang of RussianBolshevik terrorists and mass
murderers and offer a newimaginative path to socialism in
(25:21):
the United States.
I personally believe thatBarack Obama is a leading
Marxist of our time.
He is very intelligent, he isimaginative and he, I would say,
came up with a solution toinstall socialism without
(25:46):
murders, without that massterror.
And now when they say, hey,this time it's different, this
time socialism is democratic,well, I will take it with a big
(26:07):
grain of salt and I wonder howit's different.
And I knew that, I expected youto ask me this question and.
I even got some quotes that youmight be interested in.
Al Palmer (26:26):
I know I would.
Alexander Markovsky (26:28):
So what's the definition of social
democracy?
Social democracy is a politicalideology that has as its goal
the establishment of socialismthrough the implementation of
policy regime that includes, butnot limited to, high taxation,
government regulation of privateenterprises and the
(26:51):
establishment of a universalwelfare state.
So democratic socialism is nota new version of socialism, it's
just another method ofestablishing socialism.
Al Palmer (27:09):
Yes, well you know, but even with Barack Obama and
his administration, when theycame in fundamentally changing,
it was also about redistributionof wealth, which he made kind
of an error, I think, when hewas interviewing Joe the Plumber
during one of his campaignstops.
He said look know, you're asmall business guy, what do you
(27:34):
want?
We're going to redistribute thewealth.
That didn't go over very well,but it did kind of reveal
something about maybe theexisting plans of the socialists
and others and ideologies andwhat they wanted to do.
You know, if you go back andeven to the early 1960s, the
(27:56):
Communist Party of the UnitedStates was very good about
putting out a whole list ofthings that they wanted to do,
which, if you look at it today,some of them are a little out of
touch, but some are not.
Gaining control of schools,gaining control of student
newspapers, fomenting riots sothat you could illustrate
(28:18):
disaffection for the government,infiltrating the press, gaining
control of the radio and TV andmotion pictures, discrediting
American culture by degradinghistory these are just a few of
the over 50 goals that thecommunists actually put into the
(28:40):
country.
That's part of thecongressional record, so that's
not speculation, but those arethe things that they were
talking about then in 1963.
So if you look at it that wayand fast forward into current
administrations, there's a lotof that that's now resident and
still there, but maybe kind ofunder camouflage or concealed.
(29:06):
How do you feel about that?
Alexander Markovsky (29:18):
about that.
Well, they started it.
Well, we might say that it allstarted with Franklin Delano
Roosevelt, those socialisttendencies.
But over the time it'sprogressed and we can't just
blame the Democrats.
The Republican Party washelping them, whether knowingly
or unknowingly, and neverthelessthey went ahead and supported
(29:41):
those ideas over the years andwe can discuss in length a
little bit later and I thoughtabout that.
I expected this kind ofquestioning okay yes, you're
absolutely correct.
You know it started earlier andover the years.
(30:03):
You probably remember those reddiapers babies.
You remember that, that whenthe whole generations, you know,
have been educated andindoctrinated into socialist
(30:23):
ideas.
It has happened, you know, andyou know, even if you remember
it was said, that indoctrinationcan be done with one generation
.
You know, if you school peopleproperly, and Lenin even once
(30:49):
said if you give me a child, asix-year-old child, I put seeds
in his brain that will not berooted.
Al Palmer (31:00):
Well, that is one of the keys.
Alexander Markovsky (31:01):
That's what's been done over the years.
Al Palmer (31:05):
Yeah, and that's the hidden part.
Perhaps that is hard for peopleto see sometimes.
If it's postulated as beinghelpful to the people, solving
problems and all that, which, ifit happens, is great, but when
it doesn't happen and thenthere's another side of that
that creates problems and hurtspeople, then that's a
(31:29):
destructive kind of philosophy,and it seems that that's where
Marx was headed was tearing downand destroying things so you
could build it up into what youwanted.
Is that true?
Alexander Markovsky (31:42):
Yes, that is true, that is very true.
Al Palmer (31:48):
So it was implemented in the United States then by.
I think had a lot to do in the60s with the anti-war movement
getting into universities andcollege students, getting then
into the media and the publicand creating a sense that the
country was not good and there'ssomething wrong with it.
(32:09):
Let's change it.
That's where some of the calls,I think, for change started
early.
Alexander Markovsky (32:15):
Yes, but he was very.
If you're talking about Obama,he was very imaginative about it
.
I would say he was an architectof this new strategy when he
announced fundamentaltransformation of America.
When he announced fundamentaltransformation of America.
(32:36):
As an ardent Marxist whopossesses a deeper understanding
of Marxism than most of moderncounterparts, obama has changed
fundamental principles of theideology.
We have to look at it fromdifferent perspective, contrary
(32:56):
to Marx.
He looked at a differentperspective.
Contrary to Karl Marx's dogmathat transition to socialism
must be accomplished throughviolent struggle by the
organized working class, theproletariat, who Marx said
nothing to lose but their chain,obama recognized that the
(33:18):
traditional proletarians nolonger exist in the United
States.
Capitalism transformed them intobourgeoisie or middle class,
with home ownership, two cars inthe garage, kids in the college
and all and all and all that.
They have a lot to lose, unlikethe proletarians that Karl Marx
(33:47):
described.
So Obama came up withimaginative solution to it.
He confronted Karl Marx'spostulatio.
The prime goal of socialism,evolution of private property
and concentration means ofproduction in the hands of
(34:09):
government is wealthredistribution.
Al Palmer (34:14):
Instead.
Alexander Markovsky (34:14):
Obama accepted Leon Trotsky's
interpretation.
In a country, he said Trotskysaid, in a country where sole
employer is the state, theopposition means death by slow
starvation.
And he went even further.
(34:35):
He said the old communistprinciple who doesn't work shall
not eat has been replaced witha new one who does not obey
shall not eat.
So he concluded, quitecorrectly by the way, that as
long as government controls theeconomy, it controls profits.
Most importantly, obamaconcluded that to control the
(35:00):
economy, the government mustcontrol only three vital sectors
healthcare, finance and energy.
So we don't need a revolution,we don't have to expropriate
private property, we don't haveto create mass murder.
We can do it slowly, we can doit what appears to be peacefully
(35:22):
.
So, by controlling profits, thegovernment can gradually impose
socialism.
Hence neither revolution norexpropriation is necessary.
Al Palmer (35:39):
So instead of being overt and in your face it's kind
of like slowly cooking the frogRight, right, you just keep
turning the time, yes, so it'sthe same thing, except they're
doing slowly.
So the fraud doesn't know it'sbeing cooked even until it's too
(36:01):
late.
Alexander Markovsky (36:03):
It's too late and he's been successful in
it.
You remember that Frank andAffordable Care Act successfully
placed financial and healthsector under government
oversight.
Similarly, you remember KamalaHarris proposed that called
Medicare for all.
(36:23):
Yes, that would place harnessof government control on
American people.
So they, as I said, they neededthree sectors of economy.
So they got financial sector.
They got healthcare undercontrol.
(36:44):
What they couldn't get wasenergy.
So they come up with thispseudo-scientific theory of
global warming, cooling climatechange, whatever is popular
nowadays, you know, and to putregulations and suffocate the
(37:09):
energy sector by regulations.
Very creative, I have to sayVery creative.
Al Palmer (37:19):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
So those are just some of theinstitutions that have been
co-opted or taken over in somecases the education system,
energy now but there were otherparts, including the military
and government, where you wouldsay that would be the last place
(37:40):
that you want to have.
Something like an ideology takecontrol, and that's where STARS
got into, kind of.
This whole thing was fightingthe critical race theory,
implementation, which wasunequal treatment, picking on
outside things for peoplesucceeding, which didn't involve
(38:03):
meritocracy, and then gettinginto diversity, equity and
inclusion, which were terms thatwere used in the public, which
I don't think people to this dayfully still understand.
So isn't that the way thatcommunism, marxism, worked?
Alexander Markovsky (38:22):
Worked in the United States.
You know that's what they aredoing it, and instead of bloody
revolution they do it what I'vesaid benevolent way, you know,
just seems like we're peacefuland you probably won't even
notice what they were doing.
Al Palmer (38:43):
But sooner or later doesn't reality take over?
Alexander Markovsky (38:48):
Well, it may, but it could be way too
late.
Al Palmer (38:53):
I mean it's like spending other people's money
right.
Alexander Markovsky (38:56):
Sooner or later you run out of that and
then you've got to face thereality so well, you just
touched something interestingbecause, although Obama, as I
said, created a creative,imaginative way to install
socialism, they still useBolshevik's methods from time to
(39:21):
time to enforce their ideas,because we know we already
talked about it that socialismis an artificial system and has
(39:42):
to be enforced, but it's so.
They gradually, as you justpointed out, gradually
undermines Eastern institutionssuch as marriage, religion, the
free market economy, thejudicial system and the
principle of individual liberty.
They depict them as outdated,unjust and discriminatory.
(40:09):
Well, it's interesting you hadmentioned those particular,
change traditional family values, aligning with Lenin's
assertion destroy the family,you destroy the society.
After we dismantle it,establish constitutional order.
(40:33):
By the way, just remind me theyalso extending the voting
rights to non-citizens Throughopen borders.
Millions of migrants haveentered the United States with
dubious past and so even thestate of.
(40:57):
California, I think theyimplement policies that
automatically registerundocumented or undocumented
legal individuals to work whenthey obtain a driver license.
So Democrats consistentlyoppose water ID laws and the
(41:17):
efforts to clean water rolls.
So history has shown that thesocialist movement, that the
socialist movement, fraud isoften used as a powerful tool in
their political arsenal.
Al Palmer (41:36):
Oh yes.
Alexander Markovsky (41:38):
And they do not experience Soviet Russian
predecessor.
Al Palmer (41:46):
So, as we have been talking about, though you know,
the efforts to infiltrateinstitutions, to destroy from
inside, to change, to obfuscate,to hide things, to slowly,
(42:06):
coercively get rid of parts ofgovernment and things.
Those are things that have beentried in other countries, and
has there been a place again wetalked about this earlier has
there been a place where that'sworked effectively, taking all
those institutions, changingthem, making the governments
(42:27):
maybe even go away and reform?
Is that working somewhere?
Alexander Markovsky (42:32):
Well, when you say working, whether they
succeed in doing it, yes, inSoviet Russia, yes, they did it.
But what I failed to mentionthus far, one of the Bolshevik's
tools that is widely used inthe United States and maybe one
(42:54):
of the most destructive toolsthat they use.
And I prepare for you something, what Lingen said, and you will
see how it reflected in theUnited States.
So on April 22nd 1919, on his50th birthday, I don't know,
(43:18):
maybe Lenin got a little bitmore vodka than usual, but he
told us something astonishing.
You know how they destroywealth.
He gave interview to LondonDaily Chronicle and he said and,
(43:43):
by the way, the next dayinterview was published in New
York Times on the headline talkwith the Bolshevik head.
And when I was writing my book Iwent to the library and I got
that New York Times and read itfrom the New York Times.
And that's what Lenin saidExperience has taught us that it
(44:10):
is impossible to root out theevil of capitalism merely by
confiscation and expropriation.
However ruthlessly suchmeasures may be applied.
Astute speculators andsurvivors of capitalist classes
(44:33):
will always manage to evade themand continue to corrupt the
life of the community.
He said so.
To accomplish this, lenindeclared debauched the currency
to overturn the basis of society.
The destruction of currency wasthe main component of
(44:56):
Bolshevik's strategy.
So during the interview he wenteven further and elaborated on
the implication of this strategy.
He said hundreds of thousandsof rubles were being issued
daily by our treasure.
This is done not in order tofill the coffers of the state,
(45:23):
but practically worthless paper,but with the deliberate
intention of destroying thevalue of money as means of
payment.
This simplest way toexterminate the very spirit of
(45:43):
capitalism.
Therefore, the flood ofcurrency which notes of high
face value, without financialguarantee of any sort, the great
illusion of the value of powerof money on which the capitalist
state is based will have beendefinitely destroyed".
Al Palmer (46:06):
So what he was doing was….
But isn't the strategy?
Alexander Markovsky (46:10):
that we are experiencing in the last, I
would say, let's say, 30 or 40years.
You remember that since 1971,the national debt was rising
from 700 billion to anastonishing I don't know 35, 36
trillion today, and it was donebeautifully and this
(46:37):
participation of the Republicans.
Al Palmer (46:41):
By spending so much.
Alexander Markovsky (46:43):
So we are destroying our currency exactly
by playing Leninin script.
Al Palmer (46:52):
And what he did was he made it appear as if there
was wealth and revenue beingproduced by just making more
worthless paper.
But it was deception, right.
Alexander Markovsky (47:06):
Right and eventually the system collapsed.
That was his intention, so hedestroyed wealth and that I keep
saying so do you mean that yes?
Socialism is not about wealthdistribution.
It's about wealth destruction,because the only way you can
(47:29):
achieve economic equality inpoverty.
Al Palmer (47:33):
Yeah, because that's all you got.
So do you see pieces of that inour society today?
Alexander Markovsky (47:44):
Is that accurate?
That's exactly what I point out, right?
You know we raised the debt.
You know, from 700 billion to35 trillion and you know the
equation.
Al Palmer (47:58):
Yeah, and there's also talk, you know today, about
doing away with fascists andthen focus on oligarchy.
How about that one?
Alexander Markovsky (48:09):
Yes, exactly, you know yes.
Yeah's not all the destructionof currency.
It's one piece, but we aredealing with multifaceted
strategy that also includes,let's say, judicial system.
It's a tool of intimidation,targeting, imprisoning political
(48:35):
opponents, in the line withwhat Lenin used to say we can
have two parties.
Lenin said we can have twoparties, One in power, the other
in jail.
And we remember prosecution of6,000 people who participated in
(48:57):
the protest in January.
Al Palmer (49:01):
What was it?
John KOTLERMANN JR, january 6,yeah.
Alexander Markovsky (49:04):
GARY IRISHKOVICH, kayyemenkovich,
kayyemenkovich.
But how about the maliciousprosecution of Donald Trump
about?
Al Palmer (49:14):
the malicious prosecution of Donald Trump.
Well, that's part of an effort.
If you were going to try tooverthrow or dismantle a
government, that's the way youwould do it, and the Communist
Party has been very open abouttrying to do exactly that
Discredit the founding fathers,destroy the Constitution,
(49:35):
replace government withautocracy and make it so
difficult for people to livethat you're constantly going
through hoops trying to getthings done, and it's just a
burdensome way of doing it.
That's how all theseregulations, it seems, showed up
during the last decade or so,and that's what now the effort
(49:56):
is Eliminate those, get rid ofbig government, get rid of the
regulations, restore theobjectivity and, if you will,
the legal blindness of justiceso that there's no interference
that way either.
But these are huge things thatexist and I'm disturbed that the
(50:17):
general public doesn't seeenough of this to understand the
threat that exists today.
Alexander Markovsky (50:25):
You're right.
You're absolutely right.
I will tell you, even go evenfurther.
I would say that in the last 30years, russia and America
reversed places regardingMarxism.
While Russia has ended its loveaffair with socialism and
Marxism, the United Statescontracted this infectious
(50:47):
disease.
I bet you that communist leader, ranging from Lenin to Brezhnev
, watching this from what theycall the great beyond with a
sardonic smile.
What Soviet Union could notachieve through its formidable
(51:09):
military and nuclearcapabilities is now being
realized by duly electedAmerican presidents and
legislature backed by theAmerican electorate.
It's crazy.
Al Palmer (51:31):
Well, I remember reading that Lenin, when he
actually succeeded in installingthe Bolsheviks after the
interim government that followedthe Tsar, when he came from
Europe just to do that, I don'tthink he was expecting that to
be so successful.
In fact, he even said that hewas amazed at how quickly and
(51:54):
successfully they were able totake over the government.
It happened almost overnight.
Alexander Markovsky (52:00):
Right, right.
It was a very successfulrevolution in 1917.
Al Palmer (52:05):
Very successful and it lasted for quite a while, but
then didn't it alsodisintegrate almost in days?
Alexander Markovsk (52:15):
Disintegrate what?
Al Palmer (52:18):
The Soviet Union.
Didn't it kind of disintegrate?
Oh well, in 1991,.
Alexander Markovsky (52:22):
Yes, it collapsed absolutely
unexpectedly and extremely fast,just as you said within days,
that's just what you said.
Al Palmer (52:33):
So the survival depends on the forces that were
forming it to keep doing whatthey're doing without any
possibility of change.
Once that change starts in someplace, then it's kind of
curtains.
I guess maybe in our Westernsociety is to find ways to make
(52:54):
sure that reality bites thatpeople are looking at what's
real, not what's imaginary orutopian.
Alexander Markovsky (53:10):
Well, part of it is education, yes, which I
would say in this countrybecomes absolutely deplorable,
and that, of course, helpscommunists, socialists, whatever
you know, helps them toundermine.
Al Palmer (53:29):
And I would say so far quite successfully.
Yeah, and that's part of it isrestoring the appreciation for a
free society that's based onindividualism, using your own
labor to get ahead, to besuccessful and then not being
(53:50):
burdened by everybody else'sneeds.
You know, I talked the otherday about a parallel in our
history that occurred when ourcountry was being formed, at
Jamestown.
You know, they put togethercollectives to, you know, make
wheat and farm products so thatall of the people could survive
(54:13):
the winter and they would haveenough to succeed.
They'd all put their stuff inthe big warehouse and they'd all
distribute it.
You know, during the year whenit got cold, Problem was not
everybody was producing and noteverybody was supporting that
effort.
So it kind of fell apartbecause of that was supporting
(54:34):
that effort.
So it kind of fell apartbecause of that.
So the collective depends onenforcement of everybody having
a certain part of that.
Was that not kind of what wasgoing on in the old collectives
of the Soviet Union?
Alexander Markovsky (54:44):
Yes, that's what we discussed earlier.
You know that system isunnatural and requires
enforcement, Otherwise itwouldn't work.
It didn't work even withenforcement, but for a while it
does work.
Al Palmer (55:05):
So the antidote seems to be the focus on reality,
productivity, wealth generationas an incentive for people to
live better, and some of thatfocuses around economics, some
of it around religion, some ofit around philosophy, but in a
(55:27):
way that produces something asgood for the society.
And as I look at the productsof Marxism and Leninism and
Bolshevism, all the isms is thatthey were designed for
destruction and dismantling andrebuilding something that was
uncertain.
Alexander Markovsky (56:01):
Well, what you just said probably basically
the freedom is a driving forceof wealth creation, and you know
so any suppression of freedomresults in the diminishing of
wealth creation.
That's exactly what the purposeof Marxism, you know to make us
all equal.
And making us all equal, wealready said it a number of
(56:23):
times that it can be done onlyin poverty.
Al Palmer (56:29):
Well, so I think that we struck on perhaps the value
of talking with you today, andthat is for people to understand
that there is a way forward notto use that word, as was done
collectively by the Soviets, butthere is a way to solve the
problem of where we are, thatwe're starting to get forces
(56:50):
that are fighting against usbeing prosperous and good people
.
You know, that seems to be thein the end the solution I would
think, but that's a lot of hardwork, isn't it?
Yes, yes, it does, yes, and sothat's why we're here today to
(57:11):
talk about this and, uh, and I'mI'm'm grateful, alex, for you
helping with understanding that,particularly from your
perspective, as, having grown upwith that, we're going to
pursue some more of this infuture episodes of Stars and
Stripes, we're going to havesome panel discussions and some
deeper dives, if you will, onwhat, what's happened, what can
(57:31):
change somewhat from theperspective of our role, which
is to make our military and ourgovernment more successful, and
particularly the warfighter andbeing able to fight off all
these elements that come toexist.
But that's coming up for ouraudience in future episodes and,
alex, I'm grateful to you, sir,for being a part of our
(57:53):
discussion today and I'm lookingforward to deepen our dive into
this for future episodes.
Alexander Markovsky (58:00):
Well, I'm very proud to be part of your
efforts and thank you forinviting me.
Al Palmer (58:08):
Alex, thank you, and so for our audience, stay tuned.
There's more to come.
And I would just mention thatwe're not a political
organization.
We don't have candidates, wedon't have perspectives for
elections, but what we do islike to discuss history and the
way the world is today, and ourbig motto around here is reality
(58:31):
bites.
It's easy to have fantasies andbig ideas, but you still have
to deal with the reality of life, and that's kind of what we're
here to discuss.
So, alex, thank you, and to ouraudience, we'll see you next
time.
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