No Longer Bound

What does it truly mean to be free from sin? Not just managing it, not just struggling against it, but genuinely free? In this deeply reflective episode, Walter and Shanea confront a paradox many believers face: calling Christ "Lord" while remaining enslaved to sinful patterns.

Drawing from Romans 7 and 8, they explore how many Christians live as if they're still bound, unaware that Christ has already provided the key to freedom. The conversation dives into the profound difference between religion and relationship, where religion focuses on external behaviors, believing outward actions change who we are inwardly, while relationship with God works from the inside out, transforming desires, which naturally results in changed behavior.

"We confuse struggling with sin as a form of godly suffering," Walter notes, "but true evidence of God's power is freedom from sin." This statement challenges the common misconception that constant battle with temptation is the normal Christian experience, when Scripture promises transformation through the Holy Spirit's power.

The hosts tackle how our preferences and "types" are often shaped by worldly experiences rather than God's design. They invite listeners to surrender these preferences, asking, "God, what do you want for me?" instead of imposing our limited vision on God's perfect plan. This surrender becomes the pathway to experiencing authentic freedom, where we're no longer driven by fleshly desires but guided by the Spirit.

Are you living as if you're still in chains when Christ has already set you free? This episode will help you identify areas where you might still be walking in the flesh rather than the Spirit, and equip you with practical insights to embrace the freedom Christ died to give you. Join Walter and Shania as they share vulnerably from their transformation journey and invite you to experience true freedom in Christ.

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Episode Transcript

WALTER (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in Faith,
where, together, we explore theimportance of having a
relationship with God and howthat relationship with God can
impact the relationship you havewith others.
I'm your host, walter.
I'm joined here alongside mylovely wife.
Shanea.
This is episode 27.
Yep.

(00:21):
One more episode to go beforethis season is over.
Yep, one more episode to gobefore this season is over, and
we just want to remind everyonethat we are going to be on a
three-month hiatus, right,hiatus hiatus, hiatus a
three-month hiatus as we justreally press into some of the

(00:44):
things that God has us doing.
But a shameless plug to theladies for my wife.
She has officially started herchannel.
She released her first videolast week.
It's under her name, shaniaNesbitt.
I'm sure she would try to linkit to this channel, so
definitely go there and check itout.
I believe she will be postingat least twice a week, so

(01:08):
hopefully that keep you allgoing until we start with season
two in three months after thenext episode, that we're
dropping next week's episode.
Yeah, so this has been a journey, an amazing journey.
It is only by the grace of God.

SHANEA (01:30):
Absolutely.

WALTER (01:31):
That we have gotten to 27 episodes.

SHANEA (01:34):
If you guys knew the journey.

WALTER (01:37):
It has been real and one day we will be able to share
some of the things that theenemy has tried to throw at us
to keep us from going week toweek to get these episodes out.
But God has been good and Godhas kept us.

SHANEA (01:52):
Yes, he has.

WALTER (01:54):
So I guess we can get started.
I prayed last week.

SHANEA (02:01):
Did you?

WALTER (02:02):
I did.
Okay, it's your turn.

SHANEA (02:04):
All right, father God, we come in the name of Jesus
Christ, asking for your love,your grace and your mercy,
thanking you for everything thatyou're doing and everything
that you're about to do.
I ask, father God, that youwill open up our listeners' ears
and eyes to hear and see whatit is that you are saying,

(02:27):
provide them with revelationbeyond their own understanding,
father god, and we bind up everyreligious spirit in the name of
jesus christ.
I ask, father god, that youwill open up their hearts to
receive your word in the mightyname of Jesus, amen.

WALTER (02:46):
Amen.
You talk about my prayers beinglong.

SHANEA (02:50):
That wasn't that long, come on.

WALTER (02:56):
Okay, let's stop, just in case people think we're
arguing or they don't get intheir feelings.
Hi, baby.

SHANEA (02:59):
How are you doing today?

WALTER (03:01):
I'm doing.
Great babe, how are you?
I'm doing.

SHANEA (03:04):
We're not doing this, I'm doing good, I'm doing great,
babe.
How are you?
I'm doing?
We're not doing this, I'm doinggood Because we just had a
whole conversation.

WALTER (03:08):
I woke up next to you this morning.
Yeah.
We've been through the entireday.

SHANEA (03:14):
You know how I'm feeling today.

WALTER (03:15):
I do.

SHANEA (03:16):
You know exactly how I feel.

WALTER (03:17):
You know exactly how I feel today.
Everyone, we cannot be fake.
We're not even going to try.
We have fun in our marriage, wehave fun in our relationship,
and some people don't understandthat.

SHANEA (03:29):
And you guys are like family, so we're not going,
we're not here like hey babe howare you today?
Hey, everyone, welcome to thepodcast.

WALTER (03:38):
No.

SHANEA (03:39):
We're like, hey, come sit down.

WALTER (03:43):
Have a seat.
It is what it is, so why dolight always be glistening on
you like that?

SHANEA (03:53):
I don't know.

WALTER (03:55):
You like it on me, like this you do look nice, thank you
.
You do look nice, so let's notget sidetracked, let's get
started.
What is the title for thisweek's episode?

SHANEA (04:07):
This week's episode title is called no Longer Bound.

WALTER (04:16):
Okay.

SHANEA (04:18):
What is it called?
Something else.

WALTER (04:20):
No, it's called that.
It was just you was justdramatic with it.
Oh, just a little extra oomphno Longer Bound.
It was just, you was justdramatic with it.
Oh, just a little extra oomphno longer bound.
That was given to you, right.

SHANEA (04:31):
No, it was given to you.

WALTER (04:34):
Was it?
Was it given to me?
It was given to you.

SHANEA (04:37):
Oh yeah.

WALTER (04:38):
Romans 7.
It was Wait, no, the title wasgiven to you.

SHANEA (04:43):
I got Romans 7.
Okay it was wait.
No title was given to you, Igot roman seven, okay, and then
I was like this is what we'resupposed to be talking about.
And then, as I said, that, yougot a song in yet.

WALTER (04:54):
Oh yeah, the song title.
Do we have that here and maybewe can try?

SHANEA (04:58):
we'll try to um pin that I thought you put it on here.
It's not on here.
No, it's an actual notes.

WALTER (05:03):
So the name of the song about here.
It's not on here, no, it's inthe actual notes, so the name of
the song about to it's uh, yeah, it's.
It's a song from um everyoneand we'll try to put it on the
video at the end.
It's uh by lamb culture and uhjengi I don't want to mess up
her name it's j n j e n g e andit's called no longer slaves all

(05:26):
right, we'll put a link in thebio and uh put it at the end of
the video.
Yeah, we'll link it, but as mywife.
After we read that, that songcame to my mind like it came to
me that it was a particular partwhen she talked about no longer
being bound, because I'm likewe were trying to figure out,

(05:47):
like why we were given romanseven and that song came to mind
well, I think one of the actualtitles in that chapter in roman
seven is no longer bound or notbeing no longer being a slave
to sin yeah, so where do webegin?

(06:12):
I don't know, babe, you startoff well, this is what came okay
many believers still live as ifthey're bound, not realizing
Christ has already provided thekey to freedom.
And that was put in because ofhow Romans 7 ends out.

(06:35):
Right, the entire chapter, andI don't know if we should read
it, and maybe, if you want toread parts of it, things that
stands out to you, you can.
However, paul ended Romans 7stating let me see, he said and

(06:58):
I go to verse 18 to 25.
And I know that and I'm readingthe NLT.
Paul said, and I know thatnothing good lives in me, that
is, in my sin.
For nature, I want to do whatis right, but I can't.
I want to do what is good, butI don't.
I don't want to do what iswrong, but I do it anyway.

(07:21):
But if I do what I don't wantto do, I am not really the one
doing wrong.
It is sin living in me thatdoes it.
I have discovered this principleof life that when I want to do
what is right, I inevitably dowhat is wrong.
I love God's law with all myheart, but there is another

(07:42):
power within me that is at warwith my mind.
This power makes me a slave tosin that is still within me.
Oh, what a miserable person Iam.
Who will free me from this lifethat is dominated by sin and
death?
Thank God, the answer is inJesus Christ, our Lord.
So you see how it is In my mind.

(08:05):
I really want to obey God's law, but because of my sinful
nature I am a slave to sin.
And then from there we go intoRomans 8.
And he digs into some keyscriptures that we'll get into.
But what really stood out to meis that and it's so true many

(08:27):
believers still live as ifthey're bound, not realizing
Christ has already provided thekey to freedom.
And so what is really just andI have here next, we confuse
struggling with sin as a form ofgodly suffering, but true
evidence of God's power isfreedom from sin.

SHANEA (08:50):
Right.
It's free, no longer boundRight, no longer bound to sin.
But people have to understandwhat the definition of sin is.
What's sin?

WALTER (09:03):
What is sin?

SHANEA (09:06):
Rebellion.

WALTER (09:08):
Disobedience.

SHANEA (09:09):
Disobedience to God.

WALTER (09:10):
To God's original plan.

SHANEA (09:12):
For your life.
Everybody's sin can bedifferent, but then you have
your principles.

WALTER (09:18):
There's key principle sins, but then there's also
things that God may have.
You not do that.
If you do what he told you notto do, you're operating in
disobedience.
Or if he tells you to dosomething and you don't do it,
you're operating in disobedience.
Or, as we've learned, even ifyou partially do it, it's still
disobedience.

(09:39):
Right.
Which is sin.
Right.
But Paul was saying that you'refree from that.
Right.
Paul was admitting to the factthat, yes, sin lives within us.
We have become slaves to sin.
What can free us from this sin?
Because I don't even want to dothis.

(10:00):
I want to do what's right.
There's many of you out thereand we've been there.
You want to do what's right andyou're like I want to do what's
right, but I don't know how.
Yeah, and Paul was like theanswer to that is Christ.

SHANEA (10:14):
It's literally the power of Jesus Christ, it's not your
own self-righteousness, it's notyou trying to do it in your own
strength, because you will failevery single time.
And I was looking at a videoyesterday or a couple of days
ago and I know one of thepodcasters Christian podcasters

(10:35):
was talking about lust and how,basically, you can't control it.
As a man Like you don't havelike no power to control
yourself from looking at women,and you know so they don't know
about romans.

WALTER (10:48):
8 huh, matter of fact, and we'll.

SHANEA (10:51):
I'll just say this, but we'll continue but that is
something that people would see,as you know, suffering or like.
It's not something that I can.
I can help.

WALTER (11:04):
Romans 8 and 5 says those who are dominated by the
sinful nature think about sinfulthings, but those who are
controlled by the Holy Spiritthink about things that please
the Spirit.
So letting your sinful naturecontrol you, your mind, leads to
death, but letting the Spiritcontrol your mind leads to life
and peace.
Yeah.

(11:25):
Then he digs further in.

SHANEA (11:29):
No, oh, go ahead babe.

WALTER (11:30):
No, go ahead, I'm listening.

SHANEA (11:31):
Oh no, I think the thing is is that we don't a lot of
well, we do, but a lot of peopledon't submit their thoughts to
God.
And that's what's getting youin trouble, because when you're
submitting these thoughts,you're like okay, god, is this
from you, is this not from you?

(11:52):
If it's not from you, I'm gonnahave to reject it.
And then the power comes inright.

WALTER (11:57):
So the scripture talks about what holding those
thoughts captive, right?
Um, but go ahead.
I'm listening, I'm looking forthat scripture no, no, it's the.

SHANEA (12:07):
The lord has literally, literally given us power and
authority over all the plans ofthe enemy, which is that
includes our thoughts.
So you have power to stop thethoughts.

WALTER (12:21):
You just have to continue to keep doing it yeah,
that's second corinthians, 10verse uh, four through five and
I'm gonna find it in the newking change origin, but continue
.

SHANEA (12:32):
I'm putting that scripture right now yeah, but
what I'm saying is it's still.
It's not through your ownstrength.
It's like oh well, I'm not, I'mjust not gonna look, but you're
still going to you.
Still, even if you don't look,you're gonna think about it in
your head.
You're gonna going to you still.
Even if you don't look, you'regoing to think about it in your
head.
You're going to have an imageor something you know.

WALTER (12:51):
Because this is for the weapons of our warfare are not
carnal, but mighty in God forpulling down strongholds,
Strongholds being those thoughtscasting down arguments and
every high thing that exaltsitself against the knowledge of
God, bringing every thought.

SHANEA (13:09):
Right, every thought.
Every thought Every singlethought you have.

WALTER (13:14):
It's a stronghold, though, like the enemy places a
stronghold on that.
That's why Paul was saying it'snot carnal but mighty in God
for pulling down strongholds.
This is something that you haveto do by way of the power of
the spirit of God.

SHANEA (13:32):
And you have to recognize when it's God's voice
or not.
And many times, when you have athought that starts with I,
that's not God.
Because, God is speaking to youdirectly, so why would he
address you?
As I Think about it, thinkabout it.

WALTER (13:53):
This points to what you said, because it ends out verse
eight.
It says for pulling down, isthis verse eight?
Let me make sure I'm notincorrect.
No, this is actually all thesame verse, but it's saying um
wait, is this?
This is verse uh, seven.
It started verse seven.

(14:15):
I'm looking, because I see five, but I don't see seven.
Anyhow, though, we'll startfrom verse three again.
It says that, for though wewalk in the flesh, we do not war
according to the flesh.
That's first For the weapons ofour warfare are not carnal but

(14:37):
mighty in God, for pulling downstrongholds, casting down
arguments and every high thingthat exalts itself against the
knowledge of God, bringing everythought into captivity.
This is key to the obedience ofChrist and being ready to
punish all disobedience whenyour obedience is fulfilled.

(14:58):
The thing is that we miraclesare amazing, right, it's amazing
to see someone who could notwalk, walk, yeah.
It is amazing to see the blindhealed.
Right.
It is amazing to see thecaptives set free.

(15:19):
It is amazing to see thesupernatural workings of God.
It is amazing to speak prophecyand see that prophecy come to
pass.
It is amazing to go beyond, goand experience someone speaking
into your life things that theyshould not know and then telling
you that God has a greater planfor your life.

(15:39):
Yet I believe that the greatestthing and we've touched on this
in a few episodes I believe thatthe greatest thing and we've
touched on this in a fewepisodes the greatest thing that
we all forget about, that wedon't touch on, that's not
popular because it's notglamorous, it's not all of these
things produces a changed life.

(16:03):
That produces a change in yourcharacter.
That produces a changed personthat no longer do the things
they used to do, that no longerhave the struggles that they
used to have, that no longer menno longer lust after women.
That you can say and I can sayto other men you can be free
from that, you can be free fromit, you don't have to lust, you

(16:23):
can be free from that.
You don't have to lust.
You can be free from that.
You don't have to be in bondageWomen.
You don't have to be in bondageto lusting after men.

SHANEA (16:31):
No, because your R should only be for your wife.

WALTER (16:33):
Yes, and your husband.
So there you have it.
That's that we're going to getback going, mm, hmm, so living
by the spirit allows us to beguided by god's internal law
written on our hearts, not theexternal law that brings death

(16:54):
right.
And this is where is thatscripture at when it touches on
the law being written on ourhearts.
We'll get into that later.
There is a scripture for that.
I believe it's somewhere hereyeah.
Well then, actually roman sevenyeah roman 76 you want to read
that babe?

SHANEA (17:12):
hold on.
Let me read the nlt version,because I don't know what
version it is.
Roman seven verse six.

WALTER (17:22):
That's not what I'm looking for, but you can read it
.

SHANEA (17:25):
Okay, I know what you're looking for.

WALTER (17:27):
Corinthians.
I believe Paul talked about itin Corinthians.

SHANEA (17:31):
But now we have been released from the law, for we
died to it, and no longercaptive to its power.

WALTER (17:40):
That's Romans 2, 14-15?
.

SHANEA (17:43):
No, it's Romans 7, 6.
Go to Romans 2, 14-15.

WALTER (17:45):
That's romans 7, 6 go to romans 2, 14 through 15.
That's what I'm looking forromans 2 yeah, chapter 2, verse
14 and 15 romans 2, verse 14 and15.
And 15.

SHANEA (18:04):
Even Gentiles who do not have God's written law show
that they know his law when theyinstinctively obey it even
without having heard it.

WALTER (18:14):
Exactly.

SHANEA (18:15):
These are for people who these were not Jews.

WALTER (18:19):
No.

SHANEA (18:19):
These were Gentiles.

WALTER (18:20):
They didn't know God, didn't know the law, they didn't
know Jesus by way by power ofthe Holy Spirit, the law became
written on their heart, and whatthat means is that
subconsciously, theyautomatically, by way of the
Holy Spirit, know I can't dothis, I can't do that, I can't
be here with this person, Ican't be here with that person.
So this is once again seeingthe power of God at work in

(18:45):
people's lives.
One of the greatest examples,one of the greatest displays of
the power of God in someone'slife once again, is a changed
character.

SHANEA (18:55):
Right.
And the thing is, when you reada little bit further, 16 says
and this is the message Iproclaim that the day is coming
when God, through Jesus Christ,will judge everyone's secret
life.
So it's your thoughts, it'syour conscience, it's everything
that you do that other peopledon't see.
Are you lying?

(19:18):
Are you cheating?
Are you stealing?
Are you quarreling?
Are you out at the club gettingdrunk?
Yeah.
Two sins in one Drunk and wildparties.
Wild parties and drunkenness.

WALTER (19:34):
I wanted to say something, but I can't.
Okay.
I was told not to.
I was going to get into thecharacteristics of God.

SHANEA (19:42):
Oh, okay.

WALTER (19:43):
The conversation I had with Rich when I posed the
question.
Oh, got the conversation I havewith Rich when I pose the
question.

SHANEA (19:46):
Oh gotcha, you know what I'm talking about.
Kind of sort of not really when.

WALTER (19:49):
I asked him when he asked me you said you can't talk
about it.
I'm not going to say what Godtold me, oh okay.
But when he asked me, he saidwhat is the definition of joy
and is it an emotion?
But I can't get into that.
Oh, now you know what I'mtalking about?

SHANEA (20:07):
Oh, I don't remember you guys having that conversation,
but I remember us having thatconversation when I first got
converted.

WALTER (20:14):
Yeah, because I had talked to him about it.
That's what posed it?
Because I posed the question tothe Holy Spirit, but he won't
let me release it.
Probably I don't know why, butokay, okay To be continued, but
moving on.
Mm-hmm.
So questions that we can askright, and this is in general,

(20:38):
are you living as if you'restill in chains when Christ has
already set you free?
You're still in chains whenChrist has already set you free,
and do you?

SHANEA (20:54):
see the evidence of spirit-led freedom in your daily
decisions and desires, and haveyou I'm sorry, have you
partnered with a lie aboutyourself or about others, or
about the things that you'regoing through?
That's saying that you have tostay here.
You can't get rid of this.

(21:15):
This is something that God justdoesn't want to deliver you
from.
This is your, this is part ofyour suffering, but if this
suffering is, as a is a resultof you being disobedient, that's
not god.
You're just reaping theconsequences and you have to ask
god for grace to walk throughto walk through it and heal you

(21:37):
from it.
you, it's not something you haveto deal with forever.
No, it's a season, and don'tgive me this.

WALTER (21:51):
Paul had a thorn in his side.
You get that.
They misconstrued what thatthorn was.

SHANEA (21:54):
Yes.

WALTER (21:54):
That thorn wasn't.

SHANEA (21:55):
Paul struggling with lust.
No, it wasn't.

WALTER (21:58):
That thorn was people.
It wasn't struggling withmental disorders.

SHANEA (22:02):
That thorn that Paul had in his side, it wasn't
struggling with physicalailments, with mental disorders.
That thorn that Paul had in hisside it was people being used
by the enemy.

WALTER (22:07):
Yes, because he was the one God called him to be the
young girl that was pesteringPaul, that he had to cast a
demon out of.
That was a thorn in his flesh.

SHANEA (22:16):
That's an example of having a thorn in your flesh and
Paul had a heightened level ofspiritual discernment.

WALTER (22:23):
Yes.

SHANEA (22:24):
And so that that was a thorn in his flesh.
It says it right there in theBible, but people use the use
verses out of context all thetime.

WALTER (22:36):
So I think this and I'll let you read on this, cause I
know my wife was going throughthis and she was breaking things
down as the Holy Spirit wasleading her.
So we have this part with thelaw.
Couldn't do so with that.
Do you want to touch on that?

SHANEA (22:59):
Okay, I'm going to try you guys because I'm struggling
over here.

WALTER (23:04):
Tired.

SHANEA (23:05):
I am tired, it's been a long day.
It has.
It's been a long day.

WALTER (23:15):
But God is good.

SHANEA (23:16):
God is good.
God is good all the time andall the time.

WALTER (23:21):
Even when the enemy tried to come for you, he fell.

SHANEA (23:23):
He sure does, and we just laugh in his face like ha
ha, ha Right.
Yeah.
Okay, so what the law couldn'tdo?
Trying to follow the lawwithout the Holy Spirit only
leads to frustration andspiritual death.

WALTER (23:41):
I'll talk to all about that.

SHANEA (23:43):
Which is what I was saying earlier, and spiritual
death.
I'll talk to all about that,which is what I was saying
earlier.
You're going to fail if you tryand keep this law without the
Holy Spirit.
What he said the letter killeth, the letter killeth.
That's why Jesus was sent to us, because he fulfilled what the
law couldn't do.

WALTER (24:03):
Everyone tried and they always failed.
Exactly there wasn't enoughanimals to sacrifice to atone
for your sins.
So jesus came becoming theultimate sacrifice.
Because it was impossible?
Because we are born into thissinful nature, this sinful body.

(24:23):
Our flesh is just, it wants todo what it wants to do right, it
does so romans 7 I don't knowwe're going to go through
reading everything for romans 7,7 through 13 I guess I don't
have to read the whole thing,but what do I have here?

(24:47):
The law is holy, but it exposessin, making us aware of what's
wrong without giving us thepower to overcome it.
You can't overcome sin by wayof the law.
It's only by grace, it's onlyby the power of the spirit.

SHANEA (25:05):
Right, and so I'm trying to go back over my notes or my
revelations that I have right.
So when you accept the holyspirit, your desire to sin
dissipates, you no longer havethose fleshly desires or operate

(25:27):
in those areas that you areonce sinning in.
The law just exposes the sin.
It's like you, you, we can'tlive in a world without laws.
God can't be righteous.
He can't be a judge if there'snothing to judge.

(25:47):
Satan can't accuse you ofanything if there was no rules
or regulations in place.
Yeah.
There would be no sin.

WALTER (25:57):
Well, sin still existed, it was just nothing to measure
it by.

SHANEA (25:59):
Right, that's what I'm saying.
Sin wouldn't exist, yeah, itwouldn't exist if there were no
rules, if there were no laws.

WALTER (26:07):
And that's what Paul was saying.
Paul was saying that sin didn'texist, but it did.
You still sin, but law broughtforth regulations and the enemy
started using that sin or thatlaw to still even further hold
you in bondage, because man wassinning and thinking of evil
ways to do stuff, even beforeMoses came and brought those
things into place.

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It was just a moralist society.
But it was like I'm saying likeit was a moralist society
because it was something thatGod designed men to be like they
were prior to adam and evefalling right, but the thing was
prior to moses, right.

SHANEA (26:50):
They were doing whatever they wanted to do because there
were no laws or anything inplace and god didn't like it.
It was like nah.

WALTER (26:57):
Because they would think of wicked ways?

SHANEA (26:59):
Why did I even create them and then?
So now I got to give you, now Igot to set rules for you.

WALTER (27:07):
And you still didn't keep them.

SHANEA (27:09):
Why haven't you kept my commands?
So now you have Satan goingaround, finding someone that he
can devour, going around findingsomeone that he can devour all
because hey look, god, they're.
They're being disobedient.
They know you said this andthey're doing this, so I have

(27:30):
the right to torment them.
Yeah, yeah.
I have the right to do whateverI want to do, because now you
created a law, you created arule, you created a command.
And what is my position?

WALTER (27:46):
to rebel so I'm gonna get them to rebel too exactly,
yeah, exactly so the law gavethe enemy legal grounds to
torment humanity with guilt,shame and spiritual death, and
it all started with eve and adam, that was the first command do
not eat from this tree and theydisobeyed.

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And once again, that's why youtake into the fact of saying, uh
true, sin is disobedience togod, whatever that may be it
doesn't matter how you feel.

SHANEA (28:20):
Oh, god knows my heart, he knows your heart.
All right, your heart is like Iwant to do this, even though I
know it's wrong.
That's your heart.
Your heart is not.
God knows my heart.
I really want to obey his word,but I really want to be here,
even though I know I'm notsupposed to.
No, that's not your heart.
Your heart is saying I don'tcare about what your command is.

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I want to go and do thisbecause I want to do it.
Just be honest with yourself.

WALTER (28:49):
And God knows when she and we've touched on this in the
previous episode when my wifeis referring to your heart,
she's referring to yoursubconscious.

SHANEA (28:57):
Yes, your heart.
In the Bible in Hebrew it'sreferring to your subconscious.
Yes, your heart.
In the bible in hebrew it'sreferred to as mind.
They didn't have a word for itback then.
It's your mind.
Your heart obviously doesn'thave a conscious no, it doesn't
have a subconscious muscle.
It doesn't dream, it doesn't doanything but pump blood that's

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good stuff.

WALTER (29:21):
That's good stuff.
So where do we go from here?

SHANEA (29:27):
um, I think we kind of touched on romans 7, 9 through
10.
Self-reliance leads to death.
The law, though, intended tobring life, brings condonation
when lived out, apart from thespirit, because you can't keep
these laws without the spirit.

WALTER (29:44):
And so, a lot of times, everyone, especially in the
church, what we see on display,whether it be through many of
the pastors and the leaders, oreven many of the people that go
to church people have a heavyreligious spirit.
They practice religion, and thelaw is religion, and so our

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religion is essentially tryingto keep the law apart from the
power of the Spirit of God.
Right.
So they believe that the lawkeeping the law makes them
righteous.

SHANEA (30:16):
And that's their suffering.

WALTER (30:17):
Exactly, but what Paul was teaching is that it is
through relationship with JesusChrist and the Father, by way of
Jesus Christ, that you'reactually made righteous.
But we still do the same thing.
The end result is still thesame, and I think we touched on
this in the previous episode.
The difference is religionversus relationship.

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We touched on this in theprevious episode the difference
is religion versus relationship.
Religion tells you what you dooutwardly changes you who you
are inwardly, or, matter of fact, they don't even focus on the
inwardly.
Religion tells you that whatyou do outwardly draws you
closer to God.
Relationship tells you it isthrough the work that takes

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place inwardly that impacts whatyou do outwardly, which draws
you closer to God.
Relationship tells you it isthrough the work that takes
place inwardly, that impactswhat you do outwardly, which
draws you closer to God.
If that makes sense, does thatmake?

SHANEA (31:06):
sense, kind of give an example.

WALTER (31:09):
So um.

SHANEA (31:11):
I mean, I understand what you're saying, but it could
be a little lost in translation.
So, relationship relationshipis.

WALTER (31:19):
I do this because I love you.
We're doing the same things.
We're praying, we're readingour word, we're seeking the
father's face.
But change when you do, whenyou do a religion versus
relationship.
Religion thinks change comes byway of what you do on the
outside that impacts inside theinside of you yeah relationship
lets us know that what we do onthe outside impacts what we do

(31:42):
on the end.
I mean what we do on the insideimpacts what we do on the
outside right so I use this umanalogy before two.
Two husbands buy flowers fortheir wives.
One buy flowers because it'swhat he's supposed to do.
The other buys flowers becausehe loves her.

SHANEA (31:59):
But you have to have a level of discernment to
understand why he bought theflowers.
Because you could just look atboth of them and you could say
that they both bought flowers.
But one bought flowers becausehe loves his wife.
The other bought flowersbecause that's just something
he's supposed to do and he wantseverybody to see that's what he
did.

WALTER (32:19):
So religion is of course , buying the flowers.
Because he wanted everybody tosee, he bought the flowers.
Right.
The relationship is I boughtthe flowers.
No one has to know it.

SHANEA (32:28):
Right.
So like the person who boughtthe flowers just for everyone to
see is like this is what I'msupposed to do.
I'm just going to do it.
It's not the same thing.

WALTER (32:43):
And it makes them feel good about themselves to say I
did this, I, I, I.
Religion is heavily I based.
Relationship is god based.
So if you hear peopletestimonies, for example, with
me I didn't do nothing otherthan just yield to the Holy
Spirit.
Right.
I.
The things that I was set freefrom is not by my own strength,

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is by his Right.
The only thing I did is submitto what he told me to do, but
the desires being removed washim doing it.
It was by way of the power ofGod, the power of Jesus Christ.
I can't take credit for any ofit.

SHANEA (33:19):
Right, and so that's very key.
When you're listening tosermons, when you're listening
to people, you have to to listen, for the like I said, the I,
that's not God.

WALTER (33:30):
And then also, and hopefully, either someone.
At some point I'll be able totalk about it or I guess
whenever I'm released to writethe book, it'll be in there.
That's when you dig into thecharacteristics of God.
Right, right, you dig into theDNA of God, the spirit of God,
and so when you're walkingaround, you should be a carbon
copy of the Father.
Jesus said and he said it somany times in the scriptures in

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Matthew, luke, john, mark.
He said that so many times whenyou see me, you see the father
right.
When you see me, you see thefather, he said.
He was essentially saying thatI've literally become a
reflection of the father.
And then he also said in thescripture and I think I have it
somewhere in here he said youbelong to me and I belong to the

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father Right.
So the Bible tells us to takeon the identity of Christ and
the mind of Christ, so we shouldbecome a reflection of who he
is.

SHANEA (34:28):
Right.
So if Christ is in me, I am inChrist.
That means I should be areflection, an image of God.

WALTER (34:35):
Exactly my life, everything I do, how I respond
If I am submitted to the holyspirit, even when you want to go
off on people and we do haveour moments and we do have our
moments the holy spirit holds usback.
Yes, and it's like you.
I'll be wanting to give it tothem.
And the holy spirit is like no,you can't do it like man.

(34:55):
I'm over here looking like acomplete fool, but okay, holy
Spirit.

SHANEA (35:00):
I'm looking soft.

WALTER (35:04):
That's the life, so hopefully that made sense.
Relationship is what I do onthe inside.
That brings forth change.

SHANEA (35:13):
It's my heart posture.

WALTER (35:14):
Religion feels what I do on the outside is what brings
forth change.
But the thing that they don'tunderstand is that when you
focus on the relationship, itautomatically impacts what you
do on the outside.

SHANEA (35:27):
You don't even have to think about it, it just happens.

WALTER (35:31):
But the most important thing that needs to take place
and this is the problem in thechurch today is too many people
are focused on actions yeah,trying to get it right they're
not focused on what matters, themost relationship and your
character being changed and yoursubconscious being changed,

(35:52):
your mind being renewed, youtaking upon the identity of
christ.
You taking upon the identity ofChrist, you're taken upon the
characteristics of God.
Galatians 5.
So let's see where are we?
Yeah, okay, Spirit versus flesh, and these are some of the

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things that was coming to me.
Yeah.
So there's a daily battle forcontrol of our minds and whether
we're following the spirit orwhether we're following our
flesh.
And so I believe Romans 8, 5through 8.
I'd like to read that realquick, because it was good when

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we were reading it the othernight.
So, romans, chapter 8, verse 5.
And, of course, everyone I amin the NLT version, as always.
So verse 5 says those who aredominated and I think I read
this earlier right, those whoare dominated by the sinful

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nature, think about sinfulthings, but those who are
controlled by the Holy Spiritthink about things that please
the Spirit.
So letting your sinful naturecontrol your mind leads to death
, but letting the Spirit of oh,I was about to say the Spirit of
God but letting the Spiritcontrol your mind leads to life
and peace, for the sin fornature is always hostile to God.

(37:24):
It never did obey God's law andit never will.
That's why those who are stillunder the control of their sin
for nature can never please God.
There is a constant battlewithin your mind.

SHANEA (37:42):
The thing is, is that that latter part where it says
can never please God?
And I believe that is becauseyou aren't asking him, you're
not going to him, you thinkyou're doing, you think you're,
you're, you're.
You're making yourself a God,you're making yourself
self-righteous because you'renot relying on him to help you

(38:04):
keep his commands.

WALTER (38:06):
Yeah, that's what Paul was saying.
Like you, literally you rely onyour flesh.

SHANEA (38:10):
Yeah, you're relying on your flesh, but you don't
understand and your flesh isweak.

WALTER (38:14):
The flesh.
It literally opposes God.
It's full of sin.
It's full of sin.
It goes against.

SHANEA (38:18):
God, your flesh.
It literally opposes God.
It's full of sin.

WALTER (38:19):
It's full of sin.
It goes against God.
Your flesh, it goes against God, Every sin that took place at
the garden, it goes against God.
And so, and we talk this issomething I put here.
The war between spirit andflesh began in Eden and it
continues to this day.
That's something that wascoming to me.
It continues to this daythrough the choices that we make

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.
Right, we don't realize thatthis is something that still is
a very much so.

SHANEA (38:46):
Yeah, you see, you see that as good, and so you go for
it.
You didn't consult God about it.
No.
Now you got to deal with theconsequences and you're
wondering why you're goingthrough stuff.
But you have to deal with theconsequences and you're
wondering why you're goingthrough stuff, but you have to
submit.
My God, why am I going throughthis?
Is there a door I opened upwhere I shouldn't have opened up

(39:09):
, because I didn't consult you?
Why am I going?
through this oh you're right, Iwas supposed to not do that when
you told me not to, but I didit anyway Because I didn't think
it was really that big of adeal and that's what I was
talking about, and I have thisdown how much time we have.

WALTER (39:24):
so I wrote this um, as this is what was coming to me.
With Romans 8, verse uh 5through 8, it says we have to
understand that there is a warbeing waged for control of our
mind, and everything we'reexposed to on a daily basis or
allow ourselves to be exposed towill impact, whether we are led

(39:45):
by our sinful nature or ourflesh, or about the spirit of
God.
This war started with Adam andEve in the garden of Eden, when
both Adam and Eve gave dominion,power and control over to the
enemy, choosing to be led bytheir flesh instead of being led
by the spirit of God.
It started there, and we don'tunderstand that, and so, still

(40:14):
to this day, the enemy has setcertain systems in place so that
every area or every part of ourlives, whether knowingly or
unknowingly, we are still beingpresented the option of choosing
to eat from the tree of goodand evil or the tree of life.
Right, right.
That's that Is that true that is, and I don't think we

(40:37):
understand.
Within every decision that wemake on a day-to-day basis,
we're still being presented withthose options and we forget
that the enemy is so cunning andconniving.
Absolutely.
He's been around since Godcreated time Because we know
what and they may not like it.

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Whatever, god created time forwhat To sustain this universe.

SHANEA (41:04):
Contain it.

WALTER (41:05):
To contain it.

SHANEA (41:06):
To have order.

WALTER (41:08):
Because God exists outside of time.
He's not confined by theconstraints of time.
Time, as we know, keepseverything within this universe
in place, everything we know.
So that's.

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We have Romans 2, 14 through 15, which really just simply says
when we submit to the spirit ofGod, the law is written on our
hearts.
We have Joshua 24, 14 thattalks about what choose ye this
day, who you will serve.
That lets us know you're makinga decision.

SHANEA (41:47):
Right, that's submitting your thoughts and every
decision to God.

WALTER (41:52):
You got a choice To be led by God.

SHANEA (41:54):
You can choose to listen to the thoughts of the enemy or
you can choose to listen to God.

WALTER (42:00):
And he was saying like listen, y'all can choose the
other gods if you want, but meand my household we choose to
serve the Lord.
And then we have, of course wetouched on this, I think,
earlier 1 Corinthians 3.23,where it talks about how we
belong to Christ and Christbelongs to God.
Did we read that earlier?

SHANEA (42:21):
Yeah, we read it and I just want to say if you don't
know who you're serving, just goback to Galatians 5.

WALTER (42:29):
Galatians 5, Romans 1 is a good starting point, so the
letters to the church from Paul.
It has some really good stuffin it and one of the key things
that we have to make sure we'realways doing as we're reading is
just ask the Holy Spirit.
Holy Spirit, what does thismean?
What is the deeper meaning ofthis scripture?

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What is the revelation to thisscripture and what does this?
What does what else does thistie to?
Because many times you havemultiple scriptures that tie
together.
That can only be therevelations that's found within
that, uh, many times can only befound by way of the holy spirit

(43:13):
right so uh yeah, you have toask yourself are you feeding the
spirit or your flesh?

SHANEA (43:25):
through media, music, relationships, your habits like?
What are you submittingyourself to daily?

WALTER (43:32):
yeah, you know we have to consistently do uh, take
inventory.
We have to consistently likelook okay, what am I doing?

SHANEA (43:43):
right, and so what I have here, when we go on to next
, is what, what you've been setfree from?
What have you been set freefrom?
So what was coming to me as Iwas reading?
Um, and I don't even rememberwhat I was reading, I was
reading romans, but then what?
What came to me?
Oh no, it was something thatyou had had wrote down, it was

(44:05):
something that you were doing,and I got this revelation when
you were talking.
And what I have is that thedesires that you have, what you
long for, are shaped by yourpast experiences.
Right, and even things that youpray for are shaped by your

(44:34):
past experiences and things thatyou've indulged in.
And that's where we get intoGalatians 5.
Impurity, lustful pleasures,idolatry, sorcery, hatred,
jealousy, fits of rage, selfishambition and more these things
don't just influence yourbehavior, they shape your

(44:58):
identity yeah and yourperspective, even your, even
down to your taste or your type.
So you might be praying for agodly spouse, a godly husband or
a godly wife based off of theseexperiences that you've had,
but when God sends them, youdon't even recognize them.
You don't even recognize them,you reject them.

(45:21):
You reject them because theydon't match your perspective.
They don't match yourperspective.
They don't match your type.
They don't match yourpreference that you developed
while living in the flesh.

WALTER (45:34):
And then when you dig into it, right when we like,
delve deeper or dive deeper inright sexual morality.
Examples of that sex outside ofmarriage, adultery, fornication
, same-sex relations you have.

(45:54):
I think that's there, it's not.
Well, yeah, you also haveself-gratification in there too,
for both women and men.
Yes, and we know what we'retalking about.
Self-gratification is not of God, even when you're trying to use
it to abstain from sex that'sstill not of God, that's still
sin and you're still committingacts against yourself and that's

(46:19):
still feeding your flesh andthat's still going to be
negatively impactful, becausenow you're dealing with the
spirit of perversion and there'sdifferent levels to the spirit
of perversions now.

SHANEA (46:28):
These are all what we're saying.
Here are all doorways that theenemy used to destroy you.
He wants you to be rebellious.
He wants to destroy you.
He wants to steal your time.
So he will steal your time withall these things.
How much of your time are yougiving to these sinful desires?
How much of your time?

WALTER (46:50):
Yeah, so you have impurity, which is watching
vulgar content.
Re-evaluate the movies youwatch.
Re-evaluate the shows you watch.
Re-evaluate.
Are there vulgar shows?
Is it vulgar content?
Lust for pleasure is pursuingsexual thr thrills even down to
the music that you're listening.
Let's dig into this.

(47:10):
You could be married to theperson that god has called you
to be married to, and you stillcould be pursuing sexual thrills
.
You still could be pursuinglustful pleasures.
I'm married to my wife, yet Istill could lust after my wife.
My wife is married to me, yetshe still can lust after me, and
and that is not of God- that'snot what God designed us to do.

(47:31):
No, that is the enemy Idolatryyou put in anything above God
For those who desire marriage.
You got to be careful.
Don't idolize marriage.
You can put your spouse beforeGod.
You can idolize your spouse orthe idea of having a spouse.
We've talked about this before.
Sorcery Babe, you want to getinto that?

SHANEA (47:53):
Oh, sorcery, spells, witchcraft, drug-based
spirituality.
But spells not even just you'recursing someone, you're
speaking down on them.
That's witchcraft.
That is sorcery, that iswitchcraft.
You can't talk about peopleyeah, you can't curse them.
I wish them this.

(48:14):
I wish this would happen tothem.
All right, I hope this happenedto them that is witchcraft.

WALTER (48:20):
You gotta be careful and it happens sometimes.
Trust me, we've done it.

SHANEA (48:23):
You have to repent you have to repent you gotta repent,
because if you don't close thatdoor and it's cracked open,
something is bound to come inexactly, and there are
consequences for that peoplehave.
Witchcraft isn't just spellsand incantations and stuff like
witchcraft is literallyrebellion rebellion against god.
It's control.

(48:44):
You're trying to controlsomebody.
If you're trying to manipulatesomebody to get them to do
something that you want them todo, that you want, that is
manipulation, that is a spell,that is control, that's sorcery,
that's witchcraft.

WALTER (48:59):
And we have hostility here, hatefulness, quick tempers
.
You have no control.
Women and men but I know mensometimes you fall into this
category.
That's not of God.
You shouldn't be hateful.
The Bible talks about havingself-control.
The Bible talks about beingslow to speak, slow to anger and
quick to listen.

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We have quarreling, which isdrama and fights.
It's not of God, it's of theenemy.
We have jealousy, which isresentment of others.
We have outbursts of angerright which is explosive
reactions.

SHANEA (49:33):
That digs into hostility , being quick-tempered and you
want to finish the other onesbabe yeah, selfish ambition
which is using others to gain umdissension, which is stirring
conflict, being messy rightdigging in other people's
business.

WALTER (49:52):
Just mind your business yeah, and let's, let's go ahead
and speak on it.
A lot of you are watching thesechannels out here and you got
gossip channels.
It's in the church now.
That's dissension yeah that isnot of god yeah let me say this
again, and I'm not going to callnobody out, because there's a
lot of channels out here.
It is not of god, where amajority of your content is you

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gossiping about other people,even if you may be right about
what you are saying.

SHANEA (50:21):
Yeah, that is gossip yeah, that is not a lot.
Of people will say well, it'smy job to call out other men and
women.

WALTER (50:30):
Do you personally know them?

SHANEA (50:34):
And also are they under your leadership.

WALTER (50:36):
Are they under your leadership?
Are they your actual personalbrother in the faith?
Meaning that?
Because if you're doing it theway you're supposed to do it and
you want to say what Paul did,these churches was under Paul
we're reading letters that Paulwrote to the church about the
church that was under Paul'sguidance and leadership.
Okay, Right.

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The Bible tells us that if youhave an ought against or you
have something going on withyour brother, if your brother
has done something, you go toyour brother first.
If they don't listen, then yougo to the elders in the church,
Then after that, if they don'tlisten, you take it before that
church not the entire body orthe entire world.
So I am so sorry.
You need to be real carefulwhen you are listening to people

(51:19):
.
Listening to people wherethey're primarily gossiping
because you're not going to tellme that that is what God has
called them to, because thatgoes against scripture.

SHANEA (51:31):
You literally, they literally have to say God told
me I needed to send this message.

WALTER (51:40):
And I'm still going to question it, because God has
revealed a bunch of stuff to usabout a bunch of people, and
even if he did tell you to do it.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
It in love it would be directly to the prophetic
message.

SHANEA (51:50):
It would be about someone that you never met
before.

WALTER (51:53):
You don't even know most but the thing is, I'm sorry he
ain't gonna tell you to airtheir dirty laundry on YouTube.
If God has a message, how areyou helping them?
How are you helping them?
How are you showcasing the loveof christ by going and
attacking people on social media?
You are not.
You are not.

(52:15):
It's a difference between havinga conversation with them no,
and you can be generalized inyour statements without actually
calling out someone but thething is, babe, if, if you take
that away, a lot of thesechannels would go away because
they don't have nothing to talkabout absolutely don't have
nothing to talk about.

SHANEA (52:30):
What they should be talking about is jesus exactly
bringing men because all theother stuff don't matter, oh my
gosh and a lot of these channelsare majority men yeah, which is
crazy.
Yeah, we, we, we digress yeah,let's go ahead um division,
clicks and favoritism, envy,craving what others have.

(52:52):
You don't know how that persongot that oh, you don't know what
they dealing with.
Don't crave it don't crave itand god might have something
better for you.
But you over here wantingpennies, exactly when he got
millions for you exactly you'relooking at relationships.

WALTER (53:09):
I want that really.
They could be going throughhell.
You don't want thatrelationship.

SHANEA (53:12):
We see people like you guys need to maybe probably try
and uh, get yourselves togetherbefore you start recording I
knew you was gonna probably saythat I we are fine, but the
thing is, people be fake.

WALTER (53:28):
Yeah, they do.

SHANEA (53:29):
And they like for people to be fake.

WALTER (53:31):
Don't Listen.
You want what God has for you.
No, Because that's the greatestthing that you can have is what
God has for you.
You want women.
You want a man who truly has aheart after God, who desire God
more than anything else, whounderstands that.

SHANEA (53:48):
But you know what's crazy is, you say I want that
relationship over there.
And the enemy hears you too,but he knows, god knows, what's
going on in that relationshipover there.
Yeah, yeah, oh, you want arelationship like that.
Sure Bet, I'll give you apicture perfect relationship.
So you gotta be careful.
The behind closed doors, youwill get your behind Toe up.

(54:09):
Yeah, yeah.
Drunkenness, losing controlthrough alcohol and people.
Oh well, you know they drink inthe Bible.
They didn't get drunk.

WALTER (54:21):
No, and they didn't drink alcohol?
I don't think they drankalcohol.

SHANEA (54:24):
I mean they drank wine.
They drank wine and it wasfermented.
It was fermented.

WALTER (54:28):
I mean to the point where I mean but some of this
alcohol that exists, it's called.
It's not even called alcohol,it's called what Spirits.

SHANEA (54:34):
Spirits, exactly.
We're not talking about winedrunkenness.
We're talking about you need topray on that.
We don't drink, but thosealcohol drinks they call them
spirits yeah, they call themspirits.
So if you're drinking, spirits.

WALTER (54:54):
you should stop drinking spirits, and there's a
particular alcohol that's madethat people don't even realize.
I forgot the name of it and wewon't call it out.

SHANEA (55:00):
You can look at some of the origins of these beers and
alcohols and it's crazy, they,literally they're putting like
I'm telling you you don't knowwhat you'd be drinking they be
praying over these herbs andeverything that they're putting
in these beers and alcoholicdrinks you just it was one of
them, I think.

WALTER (55:19):
They have blood in it and everything and people don't
even know it.
They don't even know and peopledrinking it and they going
crazy I'm talking about, aboutyou got to do your research.

SHANEA (55:26):
We are in the era of knowledge.
You should be able to get dataon anything.

WALTER (55:31):
Play with it if you want .

SHANEA (55:33):
Wild parties and moral social scenes.
You're a Christian, but you areout at the club twerking Stop.
You could say oh, god knows me,he knows my heart, my heart, he
does you like wild parties?

WALTER (55:50):
you can't be out here, even in your house.

SHANEA (55:52):
Twerking to beyonce sorry well, no, you should only
be listening to christian.

WALTER (55:59):
Christian r&b brothers you can't be out here in your
car uh bumping kendrick and jaycole and saying that you follow
christ when they pushing stuffout.

SHANEA (56:10):
That goes completely contrary right are you if you're
listening to anything that hasany of these things, any of
these sins, talks?

WALTER (56:19):
about any of this music does you need to stop?

SHANEA (56:23):
but that's between you and god it is so you could
decide if that's what you wantto do or not.

WALTER (56:31):
Okay.

SHANEA (56:31):
But then you have to ask yourself are any of these
fleshly behaviors stilloperating in my life?
Am I still having issues?
But am I listening to peoplewho talk about sex and adultery
and fornication?
Am I watching it?

WALTER (56:46):
Which digs into this?
Why can't you recognize godlythings?
So you feel the sin fleshlyliving warps your desires and
make you reject god's blessingsabsolutely absolutely you pray

(57:07):
for god things which is what youwas talking about but you
reject them because they don'tmatch, yeah, the preferences
formed in your flesh.

SHANEA (57:14):
But people will tell you oh, you know, that's fine,
that's normal.
Everybody should have their ownpreference.
That's just their preference.
Where did your preference comefrom?
When we got together, we hadpreferences, but we weren't
supposed to have them.
That's why we had troubles inthe beginning.
We had to split up and God hadto get us together and come back
and say you weren't supposed tothink like that in the

(57:37):
beginning, so you weren'tsupposed to look at her like
that.
You weren't supposed to look athim like that.

WALTER (57:41):
So let's, let's go ahead and get caught up.
Let's, let's dig into peopletypes, right, and I think we
need to explore this again andyou touched on this before, but
I really want to drive this home.
Your type may be based onworldly tastes, not God's design
Right, and many of our types,many people types, is based on

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your flesh.

SHANEA (58:06):
Yes.

WALTER (58:07):
Which is why you, which is why when you speak of your
type, your list, you describe,majority of the time, things
that makes your flesh feel acertain type of way.

SHANEA (58:16):
So if you have a type, you got to go back to yourself
and say, why do?
Why do I want this?
Go look at that list.
Why do I want these things?
If I want these things becausethey're going to make me feel
good about myself, you got totake that back to God because,
we're supposed to be doing hiswill, and he knows best.

WALTER (58:34):
Because your type should be God.
Whatever you have for me iswhat I desire.
Whatever you have for me iswhat I desire.

SHANEA (58:41):
Because, like I said, based off of your experiences,
based off of the things you haveindulged in, based off of your
experiences, based off of thethings you have indulged in,
based off of what you keepputting in front of your eyes,
your preferences and your types.
They change as you get older.
They change Different seasons,they change Different
relationships, they change Afterevery relationship, your

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preferences change.
You're like nope, I don't wantthat one, I don't want that, I
don't want to deal with that, Idon't want.
Nope, he got to be this, this,this and this because I dealt
with this, this, this and this.

WALTER (59:11):
You get into relationships and you have
people who are driven by theirflesh, and now you get into
infidelity.
Now you get into all of thesedifferent things that you
struggle with because you weredriven by your flesh on getting
with them in the first place.
And I always say this for thosewomen out there that think you
are extremely attractive andyou're going to be able to pull

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a man based off that.
There's always more attractivewomen out there for men like
that, for men who think you haveall of this money.
There's always another man outthere that makes more money than
you, and so you can't getcaught up in superficial things.

SHANEA (59:49):
No.

WALTER (59:49):
You cannot get caught up in superficial things.

SHANEA (59:51):
No, your identity and expectations must be renewed so
that you can match the will ofGod.
Throw all your types andpreferences out the window.

WALTER (01:00:06):
And say God, I want what you want.
Help me, help my heart todesire what you desire.
And the first thing that god islooking at, we've seen it.
When he spoke to samuel, he islooking at the inside of that
person.
He said man judge, man judgedby the outward appearance, but I
judge by the heart, heart beingyour subconscious.

(01:00:27):
Who are you as an individual?
Who are you as a person?
Right, what are yourcharacteristics?
Are your characteristics areflection of god?
Both parties, women and men.
You should want to be withsomeone that reflects the
characteristics of God, thecharacteristics of Christ.

SHANEA (01:00:46):
Right, not.
I want a Proverbs 31 woman.
I want this and I want that.
It's not what.
It don't matter what you want.
You have to want what God wantsfor you.
And you have to move away fromusing paganistic ways to
determine how you move, and weknow that it's hard because we
weren't taught this in thebeginning.

(01:01:07):
But for those who are young,who are babies in the faith,
please stick with God.

WALTER (01:01:14):
And even if you're coming across this and you have
not been married, you have noexcuse now.
You have no excuse you have.
Please listen to us as we'retelling you this, Because we've
experienced some things that'sbeen challenging because we had
no one to tell us.

SHANEA (01:01:31):
Yes.

WALTER (01:01:32):
And we are grateful that God met us where we were,
pulled us out of the mess of alifestyle that we were living.
Right.
And transformed us.
And it's still challengingbecause we still have to go
through the process of gettingour mind renewed.
Right.
To learn to totally rely anddepend on the Father for
everything.
And it is not easy.

SHANEA (01:01:53):
No, because we're used to being able to do things on
our own, our preferences.
I like having this amount ofmoney in my bank account.
I like dressing like this and Ican't.

WALTER (01:02:04):
And it's like I think even the other day I told my
wife I won't get into thedetails, but God brought up
instances after a dream and Iwas praying on the
interpretation.
He brought up instances of mein the past where I did things
and wouldn't.
I didn't ask him and he was.

(01:02:25):
He was telling me he's like,all of these different things
you did, you did these thingsand you, you didn't consult with
me.

SHANEA (01:02:40):
And so, um, and we have to repent for it, because a lot
of times and I know that youknow you may not have been going
to church or knowing yourscripture and your Bible every
day, or praying every day, butGod still guides you, he still
has his hand on you, he givesyou intuition, which is the Holy
Spirit saying, hey, this ain'tright.
I shouldn't do this, but youdon't listen because you don't
ask.

WALTER (01:03:00):
Yeah, and that's what he was dealing with me on, he said
.
What he gave to me is one ofour greatest downfalls as men,
men and women is we never ask aswe go throughout life, making
life altering decisions orextremely impactful decisions.
Many of us never truly sitbefore the Father and ask him a

(01:03:23):
simple question Father, what doyou desire, what do you think
about this?
Is this what you want from me?
And for the few that do decideto ask, even fewer are sincere
in wanting to receive the answer.

SHANEA (01:03:42):
Yeah, because you don't want to sit and wait on it.
No.
You don't want to sit and waiton the answer, and sometimes
he's already giving the answer.
That's why you asked thequestion in the first place and
many of us.

WALTER (01:03:51):
We want him to answer based off of what we've already
decided.
We want.

SHANEA (01:03:56):
Right, and so it's like I'm trying to go here, but I
don't really feel comfortable.
So let me ask God, God, shouldI go here?
And I don't hear nothing?
It's probably a no.

WALTER (01:04:06):
Or just I'm not moving until he speaks.

SHANEA (01:04:14):
We have to get back to that Right.
It's like I'm not.
If I'm uncertain, I'm not goingto do it Like I said.

WALTER (01:04:16):
it's a no, it's going to be a no until he says yes Until
he says yes.
So Romans 12 and two.
It says this 12 and 2.
It says this do not copy thebehavior and customs of this
world, but let God transform youinto a new person by changing
the way you think.
Then you will learn to knowGod's will for you, which is

(01:04:40):
good and pleasing and perfect.
We should not be followingalong with the customs of this
world no so I'm sorry, your typeis whatever god has for you
exactly.

SHANEA (01:04:55):
And so you have what if, like I said, if you have a type
, don't even think about it,don't even look up for nobody,
until god is like hey, this isthe person I have for you.

WALTER (01:05:05):
Give it to God.
You can literally be in a spacewhere none of that matters, but
it's only by way.
This comes back to the power ofthe Holy Spirit.
This comes back to Romans 8.
We didn't get a chance to readit, but read all of Romans 8.
Read all of Romans 7.

SHANEA (01:05:21):
Because you're making decisions based off of your past
experiences.
Your past hurt, and so take allof that to God.
God, I want this type of person, but if this is not who you
have for me, show me who youhave for me.
Show me what it is that youwant me to have.
Yeah.
Because I chose this list andcharacteristics based off of my

(01:05:46):
experiences that I don't want tohappen to me again, so heal me
from this, so it doesn't becomea preference yeah yeah, so that
the person that you have for medoesn't have to deal with me in
my heart or I can be able torecognize them through your lens
and not mine.

WALTER (01:06:10):
Because my lens is tainted and hurt and broken and
what my wife is touching on iscalling Jesus Lord without
obeying him.
It's empty loyalty.
Luke 6, 46.

SHANEA (01:06:25):
Yeah, it's.
If you're still engaging inthese, these works of the flesh.
Right, If you're still engagingor consuming the things that we
all we, we all listed inGalatians 5, or we both listed
in Galatians 5.
Right, If you're consumingcontent that glorifies them,
you're not truly walking inloyalty to.

(01:06:46):
Christ, you're not walking inloyalty.

WALTER (01:06:50):
And Luke 6 and 46 is so good.
You want to read that.

SHANEA (01:06:55):
Why do you call me Lord Lord and not do what I tell you?
Real loyalty means surrenderingnot just your actions, but your
desires.
It's letting him redefine whatyou want and who you are and who
you see and I think all of thisis good.

WALTER (01:07:16):
Um, I'm reading more of this and we'll read it real
quick and then we'll try to wrapup okay, babe luke 6, 46,.
It says so why do you keepcalling me Lord, lord, when you
don't do what I say?
And then Jesus says I will showyou what it's like when someone
comes to me, listens to myteaching and then follows it.

(01:07:40):
It is like a person building ahouse who digs deep and lays the
foundation on solid rock.
When the floodwaters rise andbreaks against the house, it
stands firm because it is wellbuilt.
But anyone who hears anddoesn't obey is like a person
who builds a house right on theground without a foundation.

(01:08:03):
When the floods sweep downagainst the house, it will
collapse into a heap of ruinsright, and I'm sorry, I kind of
went ahead.

SHANEA (01:08:13):
but exactly what are you conforming your mind to?
What are you conforming yourfoundation on?
Are you is jesus christ yourlord lord.
Is Jesus Christ your Lord, lord.
Why do you call him Lord if youdon't keep his commands?
Why do you call him Lord ifyou're not loyal?
You loyal to that dude, youloyal to that job, you loyal to

(01:08:38):
everything else Except theFather Except Jesus, jesus yeah.

WALTER (01:08:44):
And you, when you do that, your foundation is weak.
And please hear us and we'regoing to get ready to wrap up,
but please hear us when we saythis the enemy will come and he
will test your foundationabsolutely he will come and he
will test your foundation to getyou, try to get you to turn

(01:09:07):
away from the things of God.

SHANEA (01:09:08):
If he could find a crack , if he can find a leak, if he
could find an opening.

WALTER (01:09:12):
He will tear you up.

SHANEA (01:09:14):
Yes.

WALTER (01:09:16):
With many of the things my wife and I have had to face.
It is only and I say this allthe time it is only because I've
encountered God for myself thatI stand firm and I stand
committed.
If it wasn't for that andthat's that firm foundation if
it was not for having that firmfoundation, I wouldn't be able

(01:09:38):
to do it that's what a firmfoundation is.

SHANEA (01:09:41):
It's being loyal to your it's, it's.
It's confessinging that JesusChrist is Lord and savior and
master, not just with your mouth, but by your actions.
Actions speak louder than words.
Right, we always say that andit totally applies with Jesus
and the father.
It completely it, it, itapplies.

WALTER (01:10:06):
That's true.

SHANEA (01:10:07):
Actions speak louder than words, and that's in the
spirit too.

WALTER (01:10:11):
So how do we wrap this up, babe?

SHANEA (01:10:18):
I think we wrap this up by you know, letting everyone
know that you don't have to gothrough the things you're going
through.

WALTER (01:10:33):
You literally can just rely on the holy spirit to guide
you you can ask jesus to helpyou.
Yeah, you're no longer bound tosin.
No, when you we have christ, wehave jesus christ.
You don't have to be bound tosin.

SHANEA (01:10:39):
Yeah, like you have your bible and that's cool, but you
need the power, and the poweronly comes with relationship yes
, our way of the holy spirit.

WALTER (01:10:50):
It doesn't stop at you just accepting jesus as your
savior.
You actually have to make himlord and seek out a relationship
it's not.

SHANEA (01:10:59):
oh, I'm a christian, I, I know jesus.
Okay, you know Jesus.
Yes, that's cool, but do youwalk with him?

WALTER (01:11:07):
The Bible says draw near to him, draw near to God, and
God will draw near to you.
So I think, baby, you want togo ahead and end this out.
With what.
With how you end this out.

SHANEA (01:11:26):
Okay.

WALTER (01:11:29):
I will say this what?

SHANEA (01:11:31):
I was going to ask did you want me to read like what
steps that they can take?

WALTER (01:11:37):
Yeah, we can.

SHANEA (01:11:41):
Okay, oh, you want me to do it.

WALTER (01:11:44):
Oh, I mean, it's just for prayer.

SHANEA (01:11:47):
You know, yeah, pray that prayer points could be
praying for your mind to berenewed and that all spiritual
bondages will be broken off yeah, the prayer is asking god to
uproot any seeds the enemyplanted in you, and that can be
from a child, anything youprobably was watching on tv.
It all influenced your decisionand your behaviors.

(01:12:09):
Now, people who you were aroundif you have a mom and a dad who
was an enabler they treated youlike a baby.
And now you're grown up and youwant everybody else to treat
you like a baby, that influencedyour behavior.
Right, those are seeds thatneed to be uprooted.
If they ask god to show you ifthere's any seeds in you that

(01:12:30):
needs to be uprooted, yeah andto get rid of them.
Sincerely, wholeheartedly, thatyou want to do his will and it
can be a continuous daily thingbecause we're influenced all the
time.
The enemy is always around.
He's always sending minions tomess with us.

(01:12:51):
Yeah.
But he has to find he can'tfind himself in you to be able
to inflict you.
This is what Jesus said when hewas in the garden of Gethsemane
.
He said he can't find anythingin me.
That means the devil couldn'tfind anything that looks like

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him in Jesus to attach himselfto what you doing over there.

WALTER (01:13:25):
Making sure you say that in the Garden of Gethsemane Did
he say that?

SHANEA (01:13:28):
Is that what he said when he was being tested?

WALTER (01:13:31):
I don't think that was the Garden of Gethsemane.
Yeah, he said that.

SHANEA (01:13:33):
When he said when did he say that?
I'm sorry.

WALTER (01:13:35):
Let me make sure, because I don't want anybody
coming from you.

SHANEA (01:13:38):
Okay, don't let anybody come from me then.

WALTER (01:13:40):
I got you Go ahead.
We're going to get ready toclose out.
Okay.

SHANEA (01:13:48):
Is that not when he said it?

WALTER (01:13:49):
I'm making sure.

SHANEA (01:13:53):
Oh, okay.
Well, if I'm wrong, I apologize, but it's somewhere in the
Bible.

WALTER (01:13:57):
It's in there.
I'm just wanting to make sure,because I don't want to buy that
.

SHANEA (01:14:02):
Okay, I don't have the Bible thumpers.

WALTER (01:14:06):
He was.
He was a pro, Like it wastowards the end stuffers I don't
have the Bible thumpers.
He was, he was a pro, like itwas towards the end of time,
Like his ending being it wasJohn 14.
It was John 14 and 30 that hesaid that.
And he was saying essentially,let me make sure and everyone,
I'm just making sure because wedo have people who know this
scripture and they will come andthey look for reasons to try to

(01:14:29):
say what you're saying is notof God.

SHANEA (01:14:33):
But this was after he was being tested, right.

WALTER (01:14:37):
Yes.
Okay.
Let me make sure.
Okay, okay, let me make sure.

SHANEA (01:14:49):
Okay, but while my husband is looking for that, no
what?

WALTER (01:14:54):
That's not at that point .
When was it?
It was before.

SHANEA (01:14:58):
It was before.

WALTER (01:14:58):
Yeah, it was before, but it was when he was wrapping up.
He was saying that because histime was coming to an end.

SHANEA (01:15:05):
Where was he?

WALTER (01:15:05):
at.
He wasn't in Gethsemane, he wasjust, basically, I believe he
was speaking to the disciplesoutside.
Of this is way before that.
It's John 14.

SHANEA (01:15:21):
What does it say?
What does John?

WALTER (01:15:22):
14 say.
It says 14 and 30,.
I don't have much more time totalk to you because the ruler of
this world approaches.
He has no power over me, but Iwill do what the Father requires
of me so that the world willknow that I love the Father.
Come, let's be going.
But this is Huh.
Yeah, this is when he washaving conversations with the

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disciples.
He was wrapping things upbefore Judas betrayed him, but
that's a different conversationfor a different point.
What my wife said was true, itwas around, but it was not in
the garden, if it gets to me, sojust wanted to make sure.

SHANEA (01:16:03):
Oh, okay.

WALTER (01:16:04):
Because you're not going to come for my wife.
Go ahead, babe.

SHANEA (01:16:07):
Okay, okay.
The ruler of this world iscoming.

WALTER (01:16:09):
He has nothing in me so he was wrapping up like because
his time was coming to an endand he knew his time was coming
to an end seasons.
But we're not gonna touch onthat.
That was done in a differentepisode.
Okay, but we can go ahead andmy bad y'all bring it to him.
Listen, I'll be.
That's why, even with me, I'mlike, like, let me make sure, I
believe this is what it says andthat's what we do, I believe,

(01:16:29):
let me make sure.

SHANEA (01:16:30):
Okay, okay.
Well, I don't know where he waswhen he said it.

WALTER (01:16:33):
Yeah, he was just with his disciples.
I know he said it yeah, goahead.

SHANEA (01:16:53):
He did.
So.
The areas that you guys canreflect on, or when you're at
home, or after you finishwatching this podcast, is to ask
god if you're still walking inthe flesh.
What areas are you stillwalking in flesh?
What areas are you saying Iwant, I want, I want, I, I need?
Yes.
And committing those thoughtsand desires to the Lord.
Amen, tired.

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I know it's been a long day.

WALTER (01:17:19):
It has been, but God has kept us.

SHANEA (01:17:21):
All right, so we're going to rack up, so my husband
will get some rest.

WALTER (01:17:25):
We appreciate you all so much and we are so grateful and
thankful to be able to share acommunity with you.
We do be reading through thecomments.
My wife responds a lot, but Irespond more.
So, ladies, if you DM us, I'mnot responding to you.
My wife responds to you.
Sorry, not sorry, but wedefinitely appreciate you all

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and we are grateful for you all.
We're grateful that God broughtyou all across our path, and
our paths are what's the word?
Colliding and our paths arewhat's the word?
colliding, and prayerfully atsome point.

SHANEA (01:18:11):
You know, as it continues to grow, we could do
some type of conference wherewe're able to see everyone in
person oh, and I'm sorry, justwhen I was saying in the garden,
no, because what I was sayingwas because he came right and he
couldn't find anything in himto tempt him.
No, because what I was sayingwas because he came right.
And he couldn't find anythingin him to tempt him?

(01:18:33):
No, that's true.
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
I didn't mean like he actuallyliterally like said it there.

WALTER (01:18:39):
Okay, I thought you were saying that he actually said,
because he did say that at onepoint.

SHANEA (01:18:43):
Yeah, he did say it.
But what?
I'm sorry.
What I meant was that hecouldn't find anything when he
was in the garden.

WALTER (01:18:49):
Okay, okay I'm just saying because I, I listen, we
have to do this because peoplewill come and you know, we've
we've had to deal with some,some foolishness.
I just don't want nobody comingfor my wife saying, oh she's,
she don't know what you'retalking about exactly.

SHANEA (01:19:05):
I know what I'm talking about I just didn't want nobody
coming for my wife saying, ohshe's, she don't know what she
talking about.
Exactly, I know what I'mtalking about.
I just didn't have thescripture for you.

WALTER (01:19:11):
But I'm going to bring the scripture, so we're going to
find the scripture so y'all cancome.
I know, you know what you'retalking about, but I just want
to make sure you protect her,you know.

SHANEA (01:19:20):
I appreciate you because he's like a papa bear and he
gonna continue to keepprotecting me, yeah, from any
and everybody, don't come frommy wife but um, you want to end
this out yeah, we got.
We appreciate you guys.
We thank you for tuning in,sticking in with us through all
our foolishness.
You know our ups, our downs.

WALTER (01:19:48):
I guess Continue.

SHANEA (01:19:53):
Anyway, so.

WALTER (01:19:55):
To God be the glory.
To God be the glory.
Oh our pretend fights thatpeople thought we were having.

SHANEA (01:20:01):
Yes, that's what I meant .

WALTER (01:20:02):
Be chilling.
Oh, they're arguing.
We got all finished.
This Enjoyed our day.
He's enjoying it before Mm.
Hmm, okay, to God be the glory.

SHANEA (01:20:12):
To God be the glory.

WALTER (01:20:13):
Like the whole thing.
I don't know how to do that.
What.
Like comment, subscribe stuff.

SHANEA (01:20:20):
Oh yeah.
Well, you guys know the deal.
Yes.
Please like, share, subscribe.
Share your comments.
Tell us what you like, what youdidn't like, if you have any
questions.
Concerns not about our marriagebut about the podcast.

WALTER (01:20:43):
To God be the glory.
We appreciate you all until wesee you we'll see you next week,
final episode for season oneyeah is next week.
One more episode in threemonths hiatus and we'll be back
with you absolutely.
God bless.

SHANEA (01:20:59):
God bless, see you later see you later.

WALTER (01:21:01):
Bye bye you almost forgot to say bye, I did okay,
bye, I was gonna do what thelittle girl did what?

SHANEA (01:21:06):
Bye, bye.
You almost forgot to say bye.
I did Okay, bye.

WALTER (01:21:08):
I was going to do what the little girl did.

SHANEA (01:21:10):
What Bye Bye.

WALTER (01:21:15):
How'd she do it?

SHANEA (01:21:16):
She was like bye, just like bye, bye, bye, bye, bye,
bye, bye.
I feel like I'm on Star Trek orsomething.

WALTER (01:21:25):
No, she'll keep that in.