The Gift Of Marriage: God's Design For Love, Covenant & Favor

What if marriage isn’t something we build and ask God to bless, but a gift God authors in the Spirit and then reveals in the natural? We dig into a richer, quieter truth: love is the highest way, covenant is God’s idea, and favor flows where faithfulness stands.

We connect Romans 12 and 1 Corinthians 12 to show how spiritual gifts—service, encouragement, teaching, discernment—are meant to serve the person closest to us. Then we turn to 1 Corinthians 13 and reset the standard: without love, gifts become noise. From Genesis 2, we trace how God forms and brings, how covenant begins with His initiative, and why “helper” (ezer) means strong ally, not subordinate. Along the way, we name the counterfeits: relationships propped up by chemistry, performance, or a vibe that calls itself peace but drains your soul. Real peace aligns with God’s truth; real love is patient, kind, humble, and enduring.

Malachi 2 pulls no punches about unfaithfulness and its spiritual consequences. We talk about how mistreating a spouse hinders worship, dulls discernment, and blocks favor. We also unpack the Hebrew nuance of favor—why a wife is described as a gracious gift that multiplies what is sown: love into peace, vision into solutions, seed into legacy. Leadership becomes service, not control; partnership becomes the rhythm. And for those in a season of singleness, we honor it as a gift with purpose, not a waiting room with shame.

If you’re tired of carrying a relationship you built alone, this conversation offers a different move: start in the Spirit, let God speak, and allow the natural to confirm what He’s already said. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs clarity, and leave a review telling us how you’re choosing covenant over chemistry this week.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in
Faith, where together we explorethe importance of having a
relationship with God and howthat relationship with God can
impact the relationship you havewith others.
I'm your host, Walter.
I'm joined here alongside mylovely wife.

SPEAKER_05 (00:15):
Shenea.

SPEAKER_00 (00:17):
And this is episode six.

SPEAKER_05 (00:21):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (00:22):
So is it?
It's episode six.
Okay.
So the way we always start thisout, and this is actually season
two.
I'm sorry, I didn't say that.
This is season two, episode six.
So we start these episodes outwith prayer.

(00:44):
So I think last time I prayed.
So this time it's my wifeturning to pray.

SPEAKER_04 (00:48):
Do we tell them the title of the episode?

SPEAKER_00 (00:50):
We tell them after.

SPEAKER_04 (00:52):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (00:53):
So will you open us up in prayer, babe?

SPEAKER_04 (00:56):
Sure.
Father God, we thank you forthis day.
We thank you for your love, yourgrace, and your mercy.
We thank you, Father God, foropening up our listeners' ears
and eyes to hear and see what itis that you have to say today
through us.
In Jesus' mighty name, we pray.
Amen.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13):
Amen.
Okay.
So, babe, what is the title ofthis week's episode?

SPEAKER_04 (01:21):
The Gift of Marriage.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23):
The Gift of Marriage.
So last week I think I waspraying on what to talk about,
discuss, and initially I got umthe gifts of the spirit.
Which I guess would go, it wouldcoincide with the spirit realm,
what we discussed previously.
Uh yet even when I initially gotthe gifts of the spirit, I was

(01:46):
reading uh Romans 12 initially,and then moved over to 1
Corinthians 12.
And what happened is what wascoming to mind is marriage for
some strange reason.
I don't know.
I didn't push into it.
I'm like, okay, and then thismorning um I heard that God
wanted us to talk aboutrelationships or discuss

(02:08):
relationships, and as we weresitting there, that's when we
kind of went where we went.
So here we are.
So, babe, where do we begin?

SPEAKER_04 (02:20):
Well, I gotta start off.

SPEAKER_00 (02:22):
You want me to start off?
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (02:24):
No, it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 (02:26):
You see how my wife be doing me?

SPEAKER_04 (02:28):
It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
We can start with Romans 12.

SPEAKER_04 (02:31):
Romans 12.

SPEAKER_00 (02:32):
4 through 8.
And then you live in translationversion.
You want me to read that or youwant to read it?

SPEAKER_04 (02:38):
Oh, I thought we were getting going into the
intro.
I mean, I know last week and theweek before we talked about the
gifts of the spirit.

SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
Mm-hmm.
Intro, go ahead.
What are you saying?

SPEAKER_04 (02:52):
About how marriage is a gift.

SPEAKER_00 (02:54):
I mean, we were gonna get into that, but we was
gonna start with the outrightgifts, and then we was gonna
move.
See, you giving you giving thenuggets away before we But I
mean it's right here in theintro.
Okay, go ahead, baby.

SPEAKER_04 (03:07):
No, go ahead.
You go ahead, because you yougot something you wanna, you
know, you got you got arevelation.
I don't know how we're supposedto do this thing.

SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
So um, I guess we can just really dig into Romans
12.
Let's dig into Romans 12, uh,verse 4 through 8 first.

SPEAKER_04 (03:27):
Hope everyone has their Bibles.
We um are reading from NLTversion.

SPEAKER_00 (03:33):
Yes.
So uh verse 4 starts off statingjust as our bodies have many
parts and each part has aspecial function, so it is with
Christ's body.
We are many parts of one bodyand we all belong to each other.
In his grace, God has given usdifferent gifts for doing
certain things well.
So if God has given you theability to prophesy, speak out

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with as much faith as God hasgiven you.
If your gift is serving others,serve them well.
If you are a teacher, teachwell.
If your gifts is encouragingother, be encouraging.
If it is giving, givegenerously.
If God has given you the leadgiving you leadership ability,
take the responsibilityseriously.
And if you have a gift of forshowing kindness to others, do

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it gladly.
So that's what he initially gaveme.
And I think it's important tounderstand that the the churches
or the church of Christ, we havedifferent gifts that God gives
us to be a blessing to others,right?
And we talk about that all thetime, but I don't think we think

(04:38):
about it from the perspective ofthose gifts that God has given
us should also serve us inmarriage.
And in context with this week'sepisode, we'll be focusing
specifically on marriage.
But I don't think we look at itfrom that perspective.
So what I have here is Paulexplains that just as the body
has many parts with differentfunctions, so does the church.

(05:01):
And every believer has receiveddifferent gifts from God,
whether it's prophesying,serving, teaching,
encouragement, giving,leadership, or kindness, right?
So uh kids outside.
To fully operate in our God'sgiving gifts, though, uh, we
must first understand how theyconnect to love, unity, and
spiritual maturity, right?

(05:24):
So excuse, excuse me.
Um that moves us over to 1Corinthians 12.
Is there anything you want toadd before we go to 1
Corinthians 12, babe?
Anything, any pointers?

SPEAKER_04 (05:39):
Um, no, I guess um with the different gifts like
prophecy, serving, teaching,encouragement, giving,
leadership, and kindness, um, itshould be a reflection.
Those gifts should reflect amarriage in all that, which is
servitude and teaching oneanother how to love one another

(06:01):
or how to um, you know, if whatI'm lacking you make up for, or
what you're lacking, I make upfor, right?
Encouraging each other, givingeach, giving to each other, you
obviously being the leader, butalso me being the leader in
certain in in the roles that Godgives us.

SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
Okay.
Yeah, we lead together.
We lead together.
So when we move over to FirstCorinthians um 12, and those who
know and know this is dealingwith specifically the gifts, the
different gifts of the spirit.
Uh beginning at first versefour.
Do you want to read that?

SPEAKER_03 (06:44):
Um, if you're already there, go you can go
ahead.

SPEAKER_00 (06:46):
So there are different kinds of, and while
I'm going here, uh well, we'llgo to 1 Corinthians 13 after.
There are different kinds ofspiritual gifts, but the same
spirit is the source of themall.
There are different kinds ofservice, but we serve the same
Lord.
God works in different ways, butit is the same God who does the
work in all of us.
A spiritual gift is given toeach of us so we can help each

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other.
To one person, the spirit givesthe ability to give wise advice.
To another, the same spiritgives a message of special
knowledge.
The same spirit gives greatfaith to another and to someone
else.
The one spirit gives the giftsof healing.
He gives one person the power toperform miracles and another the
ability to prophesy.
He gives someone else theability to discern whether a

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message is from the Spirit ofGod or from another spirit.
Still, another person is giventhe ability to speak in unknown
languages, while another isgiven the ability to interpret
what is being said.
It is the one and only spiritwho distributes all these gifts.
He alone decides which gift eachperson should have.

(07:50):
So that when I was reading that,what was coming to me, and we're
gonna move into that, was youknow, marriage is also a gift
that is distributed by the HolySpirit, right?
However, um, when we were goingthrough this, we moved to 1
Corinthians 13.

(08:10):
So this is just a breakdown ofall of the different gifts that
the Spirit of God gives us.
You know, whether it's you knowhaving giving wise advice,
that's a gift given by theSpirit of God, uh, the gift of
healing, right?
Uh the gift of miracles,interestingly, and we we're not
going into this today, butthere's a difference between the
gift of healing and the gift ofmiracles.

(08:33):
It's two different gifts, right?
There's a difference betweenhealing and miracles and
performing miracles.
Um, the gift of prophecy.
There's um, and we talked aboutthis in previous episodes,
there's a gift to discernwhether a message is coming from
God or whether that message iscoming from a different spirit.
That's a gift.

SPEAKER_04 (08:51):
Yeah, discerning of spirits.

SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
Yeah, discerning of spirits.

SPEAKER_04 (08:54):
Which everyone should have.

SPEAKER_00 (08:56):
There's the gift of giving, there's the gift of
special knowledge.
But not everyone may have it,you know.
There's a difference between,you know, just discerning,
right?
And like operating within thegift, I believe.
Um, I think there's levels toit.

SPEAKER_04 (09:12):
There are there are levels.

SPEAKER_00 (09:14):
You know, so um, but these are just all of the
different gifts that the Spiritof God gives.
But the reality, if you read onfurther down in verse 12, it
touches on the fact that we area body, right?
And just even from a naturalperspective, um, you can't be in

(09:34):
a situation where your eyes isall there on your body, kids are
being loud.

SPEAKER_03 (09:41):
Um kids being kids.

SPEAKER_00 (09:43):
Yes, you can't be there in a situation where
you're it's just basicallysaying that we all have
different gifts that we operatein.
Right?
So everybody shouldn't.
I would say, and I know Paulsaid pray for the gifts, right?
Yet I don't believe thateveryone should be trying to

(10:04):
operate within the same giftbecause if everyone is operating
within the same gift, then howare you edifying the body of
Christ?

SPEAKER_05 (10:11):
Yeah, we can't help each other.

SPEAKER_00 (10:12):
Exactly.
Same thing with you and I.
There's different gifts that weoperate in, which um allows us
to help each other because ofthe gifts that God has given us
that as we come together,combine together, it be it it's
edifying to our marriage.
And so we touched on this umearlier today, 1 Corinthians 13.

(10:33):
Do you want to read that uhverse 1 through 13?

SPEAKER_03 (10:37):
Sure.

SPEAKER_04 (10:38):
1 Corinthians 13, 1 through 13.
If I could speak all thelanguages of earth and of
angels, but didn't love others,I would only be a noisy gong or
a clanging symbol.
If I had the gift of prophecy,and if I understood all of God's

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secret plans and possessed allknowledge, and if I had such
faith that I could movemountains, but didn't love
others, I would be nothing.
If I gave everything I have tothe poor and even sacrificed my
body, I could boast about it.
But if I didn't love others, Iwould have gained nothing.

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Love is patient and kind, loveis not jealous or boastful or
proud or rude, it does notdemand its own way, it is not
irritable, and it keeps norecord of being wrong.
It does not rejoice aboutinjustice, but rejoices whenever
the truth wins out.
Love never gives up, never losesfaith, is always hopeful and

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endures through everycircumstance.
Prophecy and speaking unknownlanguages and special knowledge
will become useless, but lovewill last forever.
Now our knowledge is partial andincomplete, and even the gift of
prophecy reveals only part ofthe whole picture.

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But when the time of perfectioncomes, these partial things will
become useless.
When I was a child, I spoke andthought and reasoned as a child,
but when I grew up, I put awaychildish things.
Now we see things imperfectly,like puzzling reflections in a
mirror.

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But then we see everything thateverything with perfect clarity,
and all that I know now ispartial and incomplete.
But then I will know everythingcompletely, just as God now
knows me completely.

Three things will last forever: faith, hope, and love. (12:41):
undefined
And the greatest of these islove.

SPEAKER_00 (12:49):
So um, when we were discussing this this morning, uh
what came to me is in order totruly operate within the gifts
of the spirit, uh, we have tobegin with love, which is the
fruit of the spirit.
And as we begin with love, wehave the to allow the full
working of the spirit of Godwithin us in order to fully

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access the fullness of the fruitof the spirit, which is needed
to walk out love.
By doing so, this will producein us the ability to operate
within the gifts of God hasgiven us for those of whom uh or
for for those of us whom aremarried, beginning right,
beginning with our marriage andthen extending to others.

(13:31):
And so it's interesting thatPaul followed up the gifts of
the Spirit with an entirechapter or an entire passage on
love and saying that this issomething that we have to pay
attention to, that is greater,uh, it's greater than faith and
love.
It starts with love, right?

(13:52):
Because he said in the end of uh1 Corinthians uh Love is the
greatest of all these.
Uh three things will lastforever faith, hope, and love.
And the greatest of these islove.
And in everything that we do,uh, we have to operate from a
place of love.
And so I think that is soimportant, right?

(14:13):
And we we touched on thisbefore.
Love positions us to access thefullness of the spirit.
And I believe a lot of times westruggle with accessing the
spirit because we're notoperating in love.
But it's interesting because inorder to operate within the love
that Paul touches on in 1Corinthians 13, it is required
for us to allow the Spirit ofGod to do the work within us so

(14:35):
that we operate basic, basicallytaking upon the characteristics
or the DNA of God.

SPEAKER_05 (14:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:41):
So what are your thoughts?
I'm putting you on the spot.
You agree.

SPEAKER_03 (14:51):
I agree.

SPEAKER_00 (14:53):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (14:55):
So I don't have any thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 (14:57):
So as we were as we were discussing that, uh, what
came to mind is that um marriageis a gift.
And I heard that as we were aswe were reading through all of
this, that marriage is a gift.
And I don't think we seemarriage as a gift, right?

(15:19):
And so Genesis 2, 18 through 24,right?
This is the account of how itall began with Adam and Eve.
And the Bible lets us knowthere, and you could read it,
but for time's sake, we we haveparaphrased.
It says, God saw that it wasn'tgood for man to be alone.
And it's stated that God, and itthis is paraphrasing, but God

(15:42):
basically handcrafted a woman,brought her to the man, and God
established a covenant.
And so the thing that we'vetouched on before is first of
all, marriage, right?
It originates with God, not man.
And a godly spouse is a gift, adivine assignment and a covenant

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created by God.

SPEAKER_05 (16:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (16:06):
And that digs into, and I think we have it somewhere
here where Proverbs talks abouta man that finds a wife, finds a
good thing, and obtain favorfrom God.

SPEAKER_02 (16:14):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (16:15):
Anything you want to add there?
I'm putting you on the spot.

SPEAKER_02 (16:20):
Yeah, I don't know why.

SPEAKER_00 (16:24):
I'm just saying, you know, the Holy Spirit may be
giving you some stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (16:28):
Not right now.
No.

SPEAKER_00 (16:31):
So um with that being the case, that it was
interesting to me because Idon't think we look at marriage
as being a gift.
And what was coming to meearlier is that the way that we
approach marriage, we approachit from the perspective as if
we're picking out our own gift,right?

SPEAKER_05 (16:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (16:54):
And we pick it out from our we we pick it out in
such a way where we are moved byour fleshly desires, our soulish
desires, right?
Or we move within the soulishrealm.
And as we choose a spouse forourselves, and then we go to God
and say, God, we want you tojoin in this covenant and bless

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this covenant, even though we'vepicked that spouse.
And that's not a gift from God,right?
And the enemy gets us because hewants to distort whatever God
does.

SPEAKER_04 (17:31):
Yeah, I mean, God gives us many gifts, just like
He gives us the gives us thegift of prophecy and gives us
gives us the gift of healing,just like we talked in the last
episode.
But the enemy will distort thosegifts, and you will, instead of
being a prophet or prophesying,you will be in, you will give

(17:52):
out information throughdivination, or you will get
healing through Reiki, but it'snot, it's it's it's a false
sense of healing, you know.
And so God gives us the gift ofmarriage, or he gifts a man a
woman, and that is perverted,you know, the way that the world

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sees how marriage should be.

SPEAKER_00 (18:17):
Yeah, and that's the challenge, right?
And we move on, right?
Uh, and you were talking aboutthis marriage begins in the
spirit, and so God is spirit,right?
You want to touch on that?
God is spirit, his gifts arespiritual, and so marriage
should start in the spiritfirst, then the natural.

SPEAKER_04 (18:41):
Yeah.
Um, did we just skip over thissection?

SPEAKER_00 (18:45):
No.
Oh, did we?
Oh, we did.

SPEAKER_04 (18:47):
Yeah, that I was like, we we're not got we
haven't gotten there yet.
We got we're gonna get there.

SPEAKER_00 (18:52):
Okay, so I guess we can go there because uh that was
something that you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_04 (18:57):
Yeah, so like what we were just talking about, like
God's original design formarriage, um, and how the enemy
will distort that thinking thatit's something that you can do
on your own.
Um, no different than people whoare diviners or who are um
people who do Reiki or thepeople who um what else?
What else is it that that isperverted?

SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
It's a lie.

SPEAKER_04 (19:20):
Um anyway, those are all things that people
manifestation, yeah, uh, oraffirmation, affirmation, um,
meditation, things like that, ordo yoga.
Um, those are all things thatyou teach yourself.
All those things you teachyourself.
So diviners, they have to do allthese rituals and do these

(19:42):
things to try and tap into thespirit realm.
Or, you know, people who doReiki, they have to go through
training, you know, to be ableto uh have this healing.
And if you ever, and I can I'llprobably explain what what Reiki
is later on down the line, butum all these things are things

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that you have to do on your own.
And so when you stop doing thesethings, then all hell breaks
loose.
But when it's gifts that's givenfrom God, it comes, it's it's
not something you have to do orwork at, right?
The spirit, as long as you allowthe spirit to teach you, because
that's what he's there to do.

(20:23):
Well, see, for example, uh, youjust have to think not that
there is there isn't anytraining, but it's not something
you have to go out and seek anddo.

SPEAKER_00 (20:32):
Well, the thing is you have to think about it from
the perspective of what yoga issupposed to produce.
So yoga technically is supposedto produce peace.
And so peace is a fruit of thespirit.

SPEAKER_04 (20:44):
It's supposed to produce peace and unity.
Yeah.
Yoking yourself with the spirit.

SPEAKER_00 (20:49):
Yeah.
And so when you think of all ofthese things that are created by
the world, or uh when you startum approaching things like that,
uh it's still trying to, it'strying to give you this false
sense of what comes from onlythe Holy Spirit.
There may be a peace there, butit's a false sense of peace.
Um and so it's justunderstanding that the enemy's

(21:11):
desire is to um, his desire isto dilute to um It's to pull you
further away from God.

SPEAKER_04 (21:21):
It's to steal your time with God, is to kill your
spirit and your soul.
Perverted.
Um he comes to still kill anddestroy.
So he wants to destroy yourrelationship with God by moving
you further away from God,thinking that you have power,
and God doesn't, almost justlike how he suggested um Eve to

(21:43):
eat the app or eat the fruit inthe garden.
Like you will be like God.
He just don't want you to knowthese things, and you will know
these things if you do this.

SPEAKER_00 (21:52):
Yeah.
And so moving to uh Malachi 2,14 through 16, which I skipped,
uh this is interesting uhbecause a lot of people don't
touch on this in church, and soGod was speaking uh through
Malachi, excuse me.

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God was speaking throughMalachi, and he was staying
here.
You cry out, verse 14, whydoesn't the Lord accept my
worship?
I'll tell you why, because theLord witnessed the vows you and
your wife made when you wereyoung, but you have been
unfaithful to her.
Though she remained your yourfaithful partner, the wife of
your marriage vows, didn't theLord make you one with your

(22:36):
wife, and body and spirit youare his?
And what does he want?
God lead children from yourunion.
So guard your heart, remainloyal to the wife of your youth,
for I hate divorce, says theLord, the God of Israel.
To divorce your wife is tooverwhelm her with cruelty, says
the Lord of heaven's armies.
So guard your heart, do not beunfaithful to your wife.

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And so I thought that wasinteresting, right?
Because in this, God isbasically touching on how men
are to treat their wives.
And uh He's basically usingMalachi to speak against the the
mistreatment that men uh likehow men were treating their
wives during this period oftime.

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And God also stated that hewitnessed the covenant, and so
um what stood out to me therewas mistreating your wife, it
hinders your relationship withGod.
It also hinders you hearing fromGod, and it hinders you
operating in the fullness ofwhatever God has called you to

(23:40):
operate in.
And then key to this, and we'vetouched on this before, is when
you think of a marriage, one ofthe greatest things that God
desire from that marriage isgodly offsprings.

SPEAKER_04 (23:53):
Yeah.
And I was gonna say it just itties back into Genetis.

SPEAKER_00 (23:58):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, the I think the key thingbecause that people will be
like, covenant, covenant,covenant.
This is not based upon acovenant that you choose to make
with God.

SPEAKER_02 (24:07):
You can't choose to make godly children.

SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
This is based on a covenant that God has made with
you, and you walk into like youwalk into agreement with you and
your wife, walk into agreementwith that covenant.
And we have to go back toGenesis 2, when the Bible says
that it is not good for man tobe alone, so I will find a
helper that is suitable for him.
And God formed Eve.

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God did it, not Adam.
Adam didn't look for anyone,Adam didn't do anything.
God brought Eve to Adam, andthen that covenant was made and
they became one.
So we have to keep that in thecontext of this right here, and
what this is saying.
And it's just reminding us onceagain that marriage is, of
course, spiritual, right?

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And your treatment of yourspouse directly impacts your
access to God.
And now we move into the wholething of marriage being
something that is spiritual.
You want to jump into that bed?
That was your revelation thatGod gave you.
I didn't want to step on yourtoes.

SPEAKER_03 (25:16):
Oh no, you're good.

SPEAKER_04 (25:18):
Um, when we were talking and um we were talking
about how people are choosingtheir own marriages and then
inviting the Spirit of God intothat marriage.
And a lot of Christians or Iwouldn't say believers, because

(25:39):
if you're a believer, you shouldknow that you always consult God
on everything.
And what came to me is how um wealways approach things in the
natural and then even and thentry and figure out what is going
on in the spirit as to why itisn't working the way it's

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supposed to be working, insteadof seeking through the spirit
first to figure out if we'reexactly where we're supposed to
be.
So because God is spirit, God isspirit, he's truth, right?
The Holy Spirit is a spirit thatis some someone we consult with
in the spirit realm.
Um, as Christians or believers,we're supposed to always operate

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through the spirit, not in anatural at all.
Like at all.
We can see like everything wesee in the natural has
manifested from somethingspiritual, whether that was a
dream or a vision or anythinglike that.
All everything that we have wasa dream or a vision or some uh
some type of spiritual umphenomena that God gave us to

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produce in the natural.
So we can't produce a marriagein the natural and then expect
it to be good in the spirit ifGod was never involved in it in
the first place.

SPEAKER_00 (26:58):
Yeah.
That's true.
Because it the thing is, wemarriage is something that
starts in the spirit.
But I think a lot of times, evenwhen you think of uh the
terminology that's used in theworld that the church adapts or
have adapted um the whole mysoul mate.

SPEAKER_04 (27:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (27:18):
And so we approach it from a soulish realm.

SPEAKER_04 (27:20):
Soulish realm instead of spirit.
It really should be spirit mate,but it's soulmate and it's it's
just casually just bouncedaround like it's like it should
be something natural or normal,but we should not be operating
in our soul at all.

SPEAKER_00 (27:36):
Yeah.
And so what came to me when youwere talking about that earlier
is that when we choose spousesfrom a natural or soullish
realm, we are actuallyattempting to build a covenant
outside of God's ecosystem.
And so that's when you talkedabout, right?
That at that point it becomesour um, it becomes our, what's

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the word that you use?
We are now held, we have to uhbasically hold that marriage up,
but I don't I forgot what wordyou use.
But um it is we're responsiblenow for that marriage.

SPEAKER_04 (28:11):
We're responsible for that quote unquote blessings
or we're responsible foreverything that happened in that
marriage, including theconsequences that come along
with that.

SPEAKER_00 (28:20):
And it becomes challenging because you're
trying to hold a marriage upthat you were never designed to
hold up.
It was always a situation thatGod actually is the one that
protects that marriage, thatkeeps that marriage, and you
stay in covenant with God basedon what God has called you to
be.

SPEAKER_04 (28:35):
Yeah, and a lot of people don't agree with that.
We know that from the last umepisode episodes we we've done
before.
But here when um we were talkingabout it, what came to me
because what I was readingearlier was first Corinthians,
and this had nothing to do withrelationships, but it came back
to me.
Um, because I wasn't readingabout relationships, I was just

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really reading about spiritualwarfare.
But first Corinthians two, nineverse twelve says, and I can
pull it up, I have to go back toit though.

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But it was to us that Godrevealed these things by his
spirit, for his spirit searchesout everything and shows us
God's deep secrets.
No one can know a person'sthoughts except for except that
person's own spirit, and no onecan know God's thoughts except
God's own spirit, and we havereceived God's spirit, not the

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world's spirit, so we can knowthe wonderful.
Things God has freely given us.
And so what why that came to mewas because, right, even in just
the last verse where it says, wecan know the wonderful things
God has freely given us only byreceiving it through God's
spirit.

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And so we have to be intertwinedwith God's Spirit so that we can
discern whether or not, or sothat we can know his deep
secrets for our lives, right?
For the will of God.
And he that talks about it inRomans 12 also.
And so, in no way should you beout here dating, trying to find

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your partner or your spousewithout the spirit of God.
Because he's the only one thatknows the deep secret.
Your marriage, your who hecreated you to be with, and who
God's will for your life is asecret.
And no one can know that exceptfor you.

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Now the enemy can have an ideabased off generational
traditions, patterns, culture.
That's how he moves.
You know, he doesn't know God'sdirect plan for your life.

SPEAKER_00 (31:11):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (31:11):
He can the enemy sets seeds in your bloodline, in
your family, so that he cancontrol your life.
Well, listen to me.
So he knows patterns,traditions, cultures, what you,
what, what he's he influencesit.

SPEAKER_00 (31:27):
Well, the enemy attack, he the enemy, when he
attacks, he attacks mantles.

SPEAKER_04 (31:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:32):
So that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 (31:33):
It's it's gen is it's through generations that he
attacks.

SPEAKER_00 (31:37):
So if you are a prophet, uh if you carry the
anointing of a prophet, if youoperate within that mantle, he's
gonna attack that mantle.
If you are an apostle, heattacked that mantle.
If you carry the gifts ofhealing, he attacked that.
If you carry the gift ofprophecy, he attacked that.
Whatever so he attacks that.
And then he, it's just anunderstanding that based on your

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worldview, uh, the enemy sets itup to where he gives you
something that fits what you'relooking for.
When we think of Samuel, ifSamuel wasn't tuned into the
Holy Spirit when he was going tolook for the next king of
Israel, he would have picked oneof David's brothers foolishly
because he was looking from hisown natural perspective, which

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is what the enemy was trying touse to distort and God had to
let him know.
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm looking at the heart.

SPEAKER_05 (32:24):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
I'm looking at the heart of the matter.

SPEAKER_05 (32:26):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (32:27):
And so it's just important to understand that how
the enemy operates, that's howthe enemy operate with us.

SPEAKER_04 (32:32):
He gets you with your eyes.
Yep.
Because your eyes, your eyeslead you to, your eyes are a
gateway to your soul.
And so if you, if he can corruptyour eyes, your sight, he can
corrupt your soul.

SPEAKER_00 (32:44):
Exactly.
So it's important to really, aswe're tying this in, uh, many
marriages struggle because weapproach it naturally first,
then we try to involve Godlater.
And so in God's design, right,we seek the spirit first, then
the natural confirms what hasalready been stated in the

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spirit.

SPEAKER_02 (33:08):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (33:09):
So the spirit is where the answer comes from,
right?
The word of God.
Like, because the angels movebased upon the word of God.

SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (33:17):
And the natural now has to um align with whatever
God has already spoken and saidshould be.
But I I believe the key thing,and this is challenging, we have
to move away from theperspective of going out and
seeking naturally things, right?
So men or women looking for thatsomeone or whatever, because

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when we look at the uh theexample God gave us by way of
Adam and Eve, that was not whattook place.
Adam was busy doing what Godcalled him to do, and God
brought Eve to Adam.

SPEAKER_04 (33:54):
Right.
And it's in it will go all theway back to Matthew 6, 33, where
it says, seek ye first thekingdom of God, and all his
righteousness and all thingswill be added unto you.
So as long as you seek him, aslong as you are loving him,
because that's what you know, 1Corinthians 2 says, I have to

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love God, and he will freelygive me everything that I need,
basically, you know, um, that hewants me to have.
And so through loving him,through seeking him, we will
have everything that we need.
Yes.
He will he will reveal the thespirit of God will reveal to us
the deep dark secrets or deepsecrets of God in God's thoughts

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about our lives.
Because we don't know histhoughts unless we have his
spirit.
We communicate with his spirit.

SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
So essentially, you can't know God's design for
marriage without spiritualrevelation.

SPEAKER_04 (34:52):
No, but what a lot of people do is they use the
Bible as a guideline to makedecisions for their life without
the thoughts of God.

SPEAKER_00 (35:03):
Without God, really, you you it's impossible because
they use it from a naturalperspective.

SPEAKER_04 (35:07):
Yes, from because they use it as like a blueprint.
And and I'm not saying that's abad thing, but what I'm saying
is it's not individualized.
No, well, the thing is becauseGod already has a plan for
everyone individually, He'salready predestined things for
you individually, so you have toknow his thoughts about your
life in particular.

SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
Well, this goes back to um what we were stating on
one of the previous episodes,and we we talk about this all
the time.
I believe it's in 2 Timothy or 1Timothy, where the Bible lets us
know that the scriptures isinspired by the Spirit of God.

SPEAKER_05 (35:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:44):
And that's what's something God was dealing with
me on earlier on, back in um2023, possibly 2022, essentially
just stating that because ofthat being the case, it's
impossible to understand thescripture outside of the spirit
of God.

SPEAKER_04 (36:03):
Right.
It's like you're you you you'reusing people use the Bible and
they use scripture as law, as abasis, as a blueprint, but it's
hard to do when you don't havethe spirit of God leading you,
guiding you in certain andparticular situations.

SPEAKER_00 (36:20):
And that's really important.
So that I think this is all thethe next few sections can all
tie in together.
Um because everyone, we areapologizing about this in
advance.
This is gonna be a shorterepisode.
Um but is it though?

(36:44):
Yeah, typically I uh it'snormally about an hour and some
change, and this is probablygonna be no more than like 45
minutes or so.
Okay, so we can get to church.
So here's the thing, and they'rethey argue with this all the
time, babe.
Enter in marriages that aren'tdesigned by God, right?

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So we talked about this before.
When God didn't join it, youmust carry it, and that's good.

SPEAKER_04 (37:13):
Yeah, it's whenever you make a covenant in God's
name, um, the the laws stillapply, the laws of the spirit
still apply, no different thanwe we are when we operate
outside of God's It's an illegalcovenant, though.
You know, like if we have sexoutside of marriage, or if you
commit adultery, or you steal,or you kill, or be careful with

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that because they'd be like, oh,the law still applies.

SPEAKER_00 (37:36):
So this covenant God still blesses.
No, it's it's an illegalcovenant that you've created,
it's a backdoor, and that's whyit is No, because like it's the
same.

SPEAKER_04 (37:47):
If you have sex outside of marriage, does God
bless that?
No, there's still there's stillconsequences, you're creating
covenants, and at the same time,can you be blessed and cursed at
the same time?
Yes.
Can you be blessed and haveconsequences at the same time?
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (38:00):
Because so, so, and this is another episode.
That's when we dig into there'sdifferent parts of your life
that could can be like you canbe obedient to God in and you
have given over to God, but thenthere's other parts of your life
that you have not given over toGod.
Right.
And that's what God was dealingwith me on previously, that this

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particular area in my life, he'slike, you haven't given that
over to me.

SPEAKER_03 (38:24):
So you're struggling.

SPEAKER_00 (38:25):
So you're struggling in that particular area because
you haven't given it, you'reholding on to it.
And that's how we approachmarriage specifically.
We hold on to marriage, so wesee God moving in other areas.
Right.
But I would go as far as sayingthat even within that, right?
Um, because in the previoussituation I was in, I didn't
know what God called that personto.

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I didn't know God's plan forthat person's life.

SPEAKER_04 (38:49):
I didn't, there was no You didn't know how that
person was gonna turn out two,three years, four, five years
from now.

SPEAKER_00 (38:56):
I saw nothing.
It was pitch black from aspiritual perspective because I
was somewhere God told me thatGod didn't want me to be.
I was in an illegal covenant.
So what I have with you, whereyou know, God um showed me what
he has for your life.
God showed me where he's takingyou and the things that he's
going to do in your life, and hehas, he was, he's already done.
And I'm able to operate with youthe way I'm able to operate with

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you in, it's because I'm whereGod has called me to be.
So that won't work with anyother woman.
It won't work.
It just won't.
God forbid, and and if, youknow, something was ever
happened to you, that's it.
You know, I know people getmarried again, I know they do
all of this stuff, but andthey're not gonna like it.

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Um, but I I stand firm that Goddon't give you, God is not a God
that's like, oh, where I'm gonnagive you three different
options.
He didn't give uh He didn't giveAdam, Eve, Sarah, uh, Keisha,
and say, hey, if somethinghappened to Eve, you can go to
Sarah.
Something happened to Sarah, youcan go to Keisha.

SPEAKER_04 (40:02):
But I think uh a lot of times people see that can't
God can use that second marriageor third marriage in any way
that he chooses to.

SPEAKER_00 (40:11):
Yeah, when it comes to when you think about it, we
look at, for example, Sarah andum and Abraham, it's Sarah and
Abraham that produced Isaac.
So the promise is tied to Sarahand Abraham, but we're there,
they've been to argue that down,so we'll leave it.
So um the thing is you try tomanually create favor,

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blessings, and alignment.
And we talked about this.
Yes.
And we talked about the factthat you're building a system
outside of God's architecture,which is really challenging.

SPEAKER_04 (40:44):
Right.
And no different than people,you know, when they get awards
and stuff like that.
Oh, I want to thank God.
I want to thank God.
And it's like, thank God forwhat?
Because you're the one who putin all this work, you did all
this, you didn't act, God didnot just give this to you.
And and people are like, oh,this person is blessed because
they have all these followersand they have all this
influence.

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And it's like, well, did you seewhat they had to do to get to
get it?
You know, they they spent hoursin the studio.
They spent, you know what Imean?

SPEAKER_00 (41:12):
It's just like blood, sweat, and tears.
Yeah.
It wasn't something that justcame by way of favor.
And it's it's really just, Ithink it's that's culture where
you just taught to believeanything that looks like a
blessing has to come from God.

SPEAKER_04 (41:28):
Or no different than you going to school and you are
going countless hours throughmedical school and you're into
being a doctor, but it's beenhorrible.

SPEAKER_00 (41:35):
It's terrible.
And you say, Thank God.

SPEAKER_04 (41:37):
And you say, Thank God I finished this, but like
you hate your job.

SPEAKER_00 (41:41):
Yeah.

unknown (41:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (41:42):
You know.

SPEAKER_00 (41:44):
And so this is something I want to touch on
because we talked about gifts ofGod, right?
Um it's important to understandthis because a lot of times,
men, we have to make sure weappreciate what God gives us,
and women be in relationshipswhen they're not appreciated
because they're not where Godhas called them to be, right?

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The Bible, and this was Godtalking to Paul, I mean to uh
David, King David.
Uh, or this was David having aconversation with God, I'm
sorry.
And he said, You made all thedelicate, this is Psalms 139,
verse 13.
You made all the delicate innerparts of my body and knit me
together in my mother's womb.
Thank you for making me sowonderfully complex.
Your workmanship is marvelous,how well I know it.

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You watch me as I was beingformed in other seclusion, as I
was woven together in the darkof the womb.
You saw me before I was born,every day of my life was
recorded in your book, everymoment was laid out before a
single day had passed.
I think this is so important,right?
Because sometimes we don'tunderstand uh and this goes back

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to Malachi and all of that.
God really, when we look atGenesis 2, God took his time in
creating Eve.
And how we approach that, right?
Whether it be, and I think it'sI I speak to men specifically
because we fall into this a lot,but this goes for women too.
You have to be mindful that ifyou are somewhere that God has

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called you to be, and this is agift that God has given to you,
you have to cherish that.
The analogy that we use all thetime um with baby girl is when
she's dealing with her friends,you can't give the keys to
Aurora's Royce to someone who,for example, is homeless, and
expect them to treat that likesomeone who understands what

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that is would.
They're not.
They're not going to take careof it, they're not going to uh
cherish it, they're not going todo all of the things that you're
supposed to do.
It won't be garage kept, itwon't be well maintained.
And so it's the same thing withI would speak to women
specifically.
You're out here giving yourheart, you're giving your body

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and all of this to men who Godnever called for you to be with
in the first place, right?
That mistreat you because theydon't recognize the gift that
lies within you.

SPEAKER_04 (44:09):
And then they give this false or this um, what what
do you call it?
Like a quote or whatever, thatyou have to teach people.
Like you have to teach, you haveto teach this homeless person
how to treat the Rolls-Royce.
And it's like, no, I'm notgiving the Rolls-Royce to
somebody that doesn't know whatto do with it, you know, because

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then I have it will probably bedamaged, and I'll have to keep
repairing it and repairing it.
And then they'll have to learn.
But it's not my job to teach, itwould be God's job to teach.

SPEAKER_00 (44:44):
And I'm I'm looking right now as you're talking,
because I'm trying to figure outhow to pronounce it, and this is
going to be so important.
Because this is part of the partof the mistreatment that um that
women have, right?
Um, is the fact that they're notrespected in their marriages.
They're looked at as uh you'reyou're looked at as slaves.

SPEAKER_05 (45:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:05):
And so the Hebrew word that we pulled up earlier,
I don't want to mispronouncethis Hebrew word.
I believe it's is it I don'tknow.

SPEAKER_03 (45:17):
Talking about Ratson?

SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
Uh Rason.
Rats.

SPEAKER_03 (45:20):
Ratsun.
Ratzone.
Rot.
Ratsone.
Rotzone.

SPEAKER_00 (45:25):
Yeah.
And so what that means, right,uh is delight, favor, goodwill,
a gracious gift.
And this is what it was talkingabout when um I believe in
Proverbs.
When it was saying in a man, orwas it Proverbs?
Let me see.
Let me look back at my notes.

(45:45):
Um because I think um we miss Ibelieve that was talking about
the favor of God.
Right?
Because we misconstrued Oh, no,no, no, it wasn't talking about
favor, it was talking abouthelpmate.
I believe that was the word forhelpmate.
No, it was favor, it wasfavorite.

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It was favor.
It was favor.

SPEAKER_01 (46:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (46:08):
And so it's really important to understand this.
It was just basically statingand confirming that you all are
a gift.

SPEAKER_04 (46:15):
Right.
When a man obtains favor fromthe Lord, when he is joined with
his wife, a ratson, favor is theword that's used, but rotsan is
in Hebrew, it means delight,favor, goodwill, and a gracious
gift.
So he's receiving a gift fromGod, being you being a wife.

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And I was like, Well, what didthe wife get?

SPEAKER_01 (46:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (46:40):
And it was like, oh, well, she is the gift.
Yes.
It's like, what do you bring tothe table?
And it's like, I am the table.

SPEAKER_00 (46:46):
Yes.
And that's Proverbs 18 and 22.
The man who finds a wife finds atreasure, and he receives favor
from the Lord.
And that's what it was meaning.
That's the Hebrew word for that.
And before I forget, and this isreally key, and we're gonna move
on.
Let's remember this, babe.
Because we just we were justtalking about covenants, right?

(47:07):
Um covenants work best when it'srooted in God's will and not
human desire.

SPEAKER_05 (47:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:15):
So while you can create your own covenant,
covenants work best when it isrooted in the will of God for
your life.

SPEAKER_05 (47:22):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (47:22):
But outside of that, it's not gonna work properly.
And it's just remembering that,right?
Um yet let's move into, and we Ifeel like we did an episode on
counterfeit marriages or theinner marriage.

SPEAKER_04 (47:36):
We did counterfeits.
We did counterfeits.
That's an episode title.

SPEAKER_00 (47:39):
So here's the thing to remember, right?
Satan cannot create, he onlyimitates.
Counterfeit unions produceconfusion, manipulation,
spiritual distraction, bondage,right?
God ordained unions producepeace, spiritual growth,
holiness, and fruit of thespirit.
Okay so we see we see uh there,and this is gonna tie into this

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point that I'm about to getinto, there's the peace of God,
right?
And the peace of God is reallylike a sweet spirit that you
would see upon someone.
And then there is this falsesense of peace that's been
produced by you know yoga orwhatever the case may be.

SPEAKER_04 (48:25):
Yeah, well, there's a there's peace of God because
of the truth that's there.

SPEAKER_00 (48:29):
Yeah.
So there's different types ofpeace is out there, right?
And so the reason I say that isbecause not everything that
looks like love is from God.
And the enemy will always offera counterfeit to pull you out of
destiny.
So when you hear me say, noteverything that looks like love

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is from God, what is it likewhen you hear that?
What what comes to mind withyou?

SPEAKER_04 (48:56):
Love is what's the scripture?

SPEAKER_00 (48:59):
Uh 1 Corinthians 13.

SPEAKER_04 (49:00):
1 Corinthians 13.
So there's patient, yeah, iskind, it's gentle, it's not
boastful, meaning there's nopride there, it's not
manipulative, it's literally allthe fruits of the spirit in one.

SPEAKER_00 (49:21):
So the the key thing is, right, and we we had this
disagreement when we first metbecause um and prior to my
conversion, because I thought Iwas loving you the way that
you're, you know, I'm supposedto love.

SPEAKER_01 (49:36):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (49:37):
And it's the way the world teaches us to love.
And what it teaches us is thatas I do for you, I should expect
you to do for me and you shoulddo for me.

SPEAKER_02 (49:47):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (49:47):
Right.
And if you're not doing for me,then you don't love me.

SPEAKER_02 (49:50):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (49:51):
And I should not do for you.

SPEAKER_02 (49:52):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (49:53):
So love, so yes, thank you, Holy Spirit.
So from a worldly perspective,love is conditional.
So it looks like love.
That's what they teach you thatlove is conditional.
But from a godly perspective,we're talking about an agape
type love.
Love is in spite of, it'sunconditional.

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It's unconditional love.
I'm doing whatever I do for youin spite of what you do to do
for me, and not expectinganything in return.
Go ahead.
I know you want to saysomething.

SPEAKER_04 (50:24):
Right.
No, no, no.
I it what was just coming backto me is is without love, every
spiritual gift becomes emptynoise.
And so we all we we come to thetable with different gifts to
help each other.
But it those gifts don't operateif love isn't there.

SPEAKER_01 (50:43):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (50:44):
And so from a worldly perspective, it's like,
oh, I'm loving you withkindness, I'm love, or I'm
loving you with, you know, I'mtrying to teach you something,
or I'm trying to encourage you,or you know, and you did, like
you encouraged me, you did allthese things, but true love
wasn't there because the HolySpirit wasn't there.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
And so it was a it was a it wascounterfeit.

SPEAKER_00 (51:07):
It was selfish basically.

SPEAKER_04 (51:08):
Right.
Because you have those, thoseare gifts that God's given you
to encourage me, to help teachme, and you know, help discern
situations to help me, right?
But when you were doing thosethings, it was coming from us
your soul and not your spiritand just wine with God's spirit.

SPEAKER_00 (51:28):
And it's not sustainable, um, which is why as
I went through that process, Ibecame discouraged and I could
not do it because it wassomething that, and that's why
God was saying to me in thebeginning that you have to love
her through me, meaning that youhave to allow my spirit in you
uh the ability, or you have toallow my spirit in you the

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ability to produce that love.
And now you love her throughthat, because when you try to
love through your own strength,which is from our perspective,
from a soulless realm, it doesnot work.
But then that actually movesback into the gifts of the
spirit, where uh we were, I wasoperating within certain gifts

(52:09):
with you uh from a naturalperspective, and then I didn't
understand it because I I neverdid it with anyone else, and now
it was this desire to do it withyou because now I was connected
to the one that God had calledme to be with.

SPEAKER_02 (52:23):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (52:24):
But still, once again, it was like just noise
because I was doing it outsideof the Holy Spirit.
So that is really good, andthat's really important.

SPEAKER_05 (52:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:37):
So that's a good, that's a good example.
So we can move into the giftsGod gives the woman in marriage,
but I believe that could bealways left for another episode.
Um I think we looked over,looked through that because it
was something that you hadquestioned previously, right?

SPEAKER_04 (52:56):
Um What are you seeing?

SPEAKER_00 (52:58):
Like section nine.
Section nine through um ten isreally just touching on what you
know, because you question,okay, well, we know what the
gifts is that God gives to man,but what's the gifts of a woman?

SPEAKER_04 (53:13):
Right, like what I said is like she is the table,
so she's the helper.
She's God's gift, she is thegift, meaning she is the the
suitable helper.
Like that is, she is operatingin the in the gift as the gift
that God gives.

SPEAKER_00 (53:30):
I think the thing that I would leave people on
because um leave people with isthis right here.
Uh, because when we think of uhGenesis 2, it's for some strange
reason men approach it from theperspective of helper as less
than.

SPEAKER_05 (53:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:47):
And that's not the case.
And so uh the Hebrew word forhelper suitable, and if I
butcher this word, pleaseforgive me, but I believe it's
what Ezer kanindo.

SPEAKER_04 (54:01):
Connecto, but I think a lot of people just say
Ezer.

SPEAKER_00 (54:04):
Or Ezer.
Okay.
What that means is stronghelper, support, or rescuer.
Same word used for God as ourhelp.
And so it's a powerful spiritualrole.
It was never meant to besomething that was lesser.
And so I think for women,hopefully you could take this

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and understand that you know youaren't less less than, you are
not lesser.
And any man that tells you youare.
I'm sorry, he had he does nothave a revelation with who God
has called you to be.
Because the Bible, we we talkedabout this before in previous
episodes.

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It told them, the Bible says Godsaid to them, both the man and
the woman, to have dominion, torule, right?

SPEAKER_05 (54:53):
Right, together to together to um be fruitful, be
fruitful and multiply.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (54:59):
And so it's a joint effort, meaning that she is on
the same, you know, with him.

SPEAKER_04 (55:07):
Playing field, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (55:08):
And so I think that's important to touch on.

SPEAKER_04 (55:10):
Literally teammates.

SPEAKER_00 (55:13):
And so I we can get into all of this, um, you know,
but we don't have time.
So, right, we we touched on thegift of wisdom and discernment
that women have.
Examples of that is Abigail,Deborah, Esther, Priscilla, the
Proverbs 31 woman, right?
Um, a wife, we know a wifecarries spiritual sensitivity,

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discernment, the ability toguide her home.

SPEAKER_04 (55:37):
Right.
When she's operating in a Godordained marriage, yes, she has
spiritual, not that and evenwhen she's not, it's it's
perverted because the womanmultiplies, right?
Whatever the man has.
So it's a perversion of theperverse chaos, whatever.
Exactly.

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It's a perverse multiplicationof spiritual sensitivity,
discernment, the ability toguide the home.
And so instead of you knowguiding the home, maybe you're
ruling the home or you know, ornot doing anything in the home.

SPEAKER_00 (56:11):
There's a when you're outside of God's will and
you're not in the covenant thatGod has called you to be with,
be in, and then you have alsothe men that's not doing what
God has called them to do.
Exactly.
You literally, is we talkedabout this before, you fall
under the curse of of Adam andEve after they ate from the
tree.
But when you but that's not howGod has called for us to

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operate, which is why we have wego through the through that uh
period, that we go through thatprocess of being born again,
which is what Jesus, you know,was talking to Nicodemus about,
about being born again of thespirit.
And when you're born again ofthe spirit, now all of that
reverses, and now we can operatewithin Ephesians, I believe
that's Ephesians 5 or Ephesians4.

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It talks about uh our marriagebeing an example of the marriage
that Christ has with the church.
Right and so that's when I'm notuh in competition with you,
right?
But we are together and it'sthat harmony where we are kind
of operating together within thespirit of God.

SPEAKER_04 (57:17):
Right.
We're we're partnering, it's apartnership.
Like we partner with Christ toget things done for the kingdom
of God, right?
And so as a wife and a husband,they partner together to get
things done for the kingdom ofGod.

SPEAKER_00 (57:33):
And that so that's when that moves into you
actually, your wife, uh the thethrough the wife, the husband
receives God's favor, right?
She becomes a vessel ofblessing, increase, and
spiritual covering.
You talked about multiplication.
Um for women, that means yougive a wife a house, she'll make
it a home.

SPEAKER_02 (57:53):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (57:54):
You give her love, that becomes peace.

SPEAKER_02 (57:56):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (57:56):
You provide a seed, and she'll produce children from
that, right?
Vision, structure, information,she brings forth solutions.

SPEAKER_01 (58:06):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (58:07):
And so a lot of times, and we touched on this
before, if things are goingwrong in a God-ordained
marriage, I have to look back atthe husband and say, okay, what
are you doing wrong?
Because whatever you put intothat woman, right, she's going
to multiply.

SPEAKER_04 (58:21):
And not to say that she isn't doing anything wrong,
but you are there as herempowerer.
You like to encourage her to dothe things that she's doing.
Um, because you are the leader,you are the head.
And so if you aren't loving,then she's not going to be
loving.
And then you're like, well, whyis she loving me?
And then it's like, well, youknow, it starts with you.

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You know, you have to lead byexample.
Um, you know, people don't liketo hear that, but but it's the
truth.
It's the truth.
If if your marriage is issomething going wrong in your
marriage, man, you have toreally check your heart posture
and say, Am I doing somethingwrong first before I even put it
out on my wife?

SPEAKER_00 (59:04):
And typically when you go to God, God is gonna show
you you.

SPEAKER_04 (59:07):
And then in many cases, and this is what Apostle
was talking about on the otherSunday.

SPEAKER_00 (59:12):
In many cases, when he showed you you, God will work
on you.
And as God works on you now,right?
By God working on you, he beganto work through the woman.

SPEAKER_04 (59:21):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (59:22):
And so, in in closing, because we got to get
ready to go to church, uhmarriage is a spiritual
covenant, not just a naturalagreement, right?
So when we align with God'soriginal intent, marriage
becomes a blessing, uh, itbecomes a ministry, it becomes a

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divine partnership, and itbecomes a reflection of God's
love.
And so while I I think it'simportant, you know, this
channel is centered aroundrelationships.
Uh, so one of the greatest giftsthat one has that God can give
to you.
Is marriage.
Now, for those who aren'tmarried, also understand that

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that is also a gift calledsingleness.
Paul touched on.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:10):
But we're touching specifically on marriage because
we have to shift our perspectivewith how we look at marriage in
order to shift how we approachuh coming into marriage or uh
seeking marriage.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:26):
Yeah.
I mean, because the main thingis, well, some people are called
to singlehood, and you might besingle for a season, obviously,
for God to work on you.
His goal is to produce godlychildren.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:38):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:39):
It's to produce more people made in his image.
That's the goal.
It's right there in thebeginning.
So a lot of people in the worldare like, oh, well, I'm gonna be
single forever.
No, this is really not God'sdesign.
It's God's design for you to befruitful, to be multiple, to

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multiply the earth with hisimage.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:05):
But then it's also Satan's desire for you to
multiply with his own.
With his own with people makingchildren in his own image.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:13):
So please, you know, and we touched on this in the
previous episode, pleaseunderstand, just like God has a
plan for marriage, so does theenemy.
And to think that, um to thinkthat marriage in itself is
something that the enemy don'twant you to have, I would think

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is a very uh unhealthy uh way toapproach the enemy and his plan
because it's not that the enemydon't want you to be married,
it's the enemy don't want you tobe married to whom God has
called you to be with, becausein that you unlock everything
that God is called to literallypartnering um to help the

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kingdom.
So when you're not um followingthe perfect will of God for your
life, including in marriage, uhyou unknowingly are actually
partnering with Satan.
And I guess that's where weleave it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:14):
Anything else you want to add, babe?

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:15):
No, I think the thing is uh what the most
important thing is for you to,if you um are struggling with um
spiritual discernment andgrowth, I would say, you know,
read Ephesians 3 and Paul'sprayer for spiritual growth.
Pray that over yourself.

unknown (01:02:36):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:37):
Pray that over yourself.
It definitely works for sure.
Um, so that your eyes and yourears will be open to what God is
saying and not saying.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:49):
Okay.
Well, there you have it,everyone.
We appreciate you.
Um prayerfully, this episode hasbeen a blessing to you.
Our prayers are with you.
Uh, and anything else, babe?

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:03):
Nope, that's it.
We thank you guys.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:06):
And until next episode.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:07):
Until next episode.
God bless.
Bye.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:10):
Bye.