The Greatest Love Story

How does an ancient garden scene reveal the greatest love story ever told? Join us, Walter and Shanea, as we take you on a soulful exploration of Jesus Christ's unparalleled love, starting from His moments of deep anguish in the Garden of Gethsemane. We reflect on His prayer's emotional and spiritual weight in Matthew 26:36-44, contemplating the profound sacrifice that underscores an unending, unconditional love. This narrative is not just a recounting of events but an invitation for you to embrace the agape love that challenges and enriches our human relationships.

In this heartfelt episode, we venture into the heart of ultimate sacrifice and agape love, where Jesus' selfless act becomes a guiding light for understanding divine love. Through powerful examples, including the story of the Garden of Eden, we illuminate the concept of God's unconditional love intertwined with the divine pro-choice He offers us. As we explore this love, we unravel how God desires our freedom to choose, mirroring a parent's unwavering love for their child, regardless of their choices. Join us on this contemplative journey as we reflect on the freedom, responsibility, and boundless love we are invited to experience and share.

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Episode Transcript

Walter (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in Faith,
where, together, we explore theimportance of having a
relationship with God and howthat relationship will impact
the relationship you have withothers.
I'm your host, walter, joinedby my lovely wife.

Shanea (00:14):
Shanea.

Walter (00:16):
And this is episode six.
I believe it's episode six.
Yeah, this week's episode titleis what.
What is it entitled?

Shanea (00:27):
The Greatest Love Story.

Walter (00:29):
The Greatest Love Story.
It's making me all warm andmushy inside and, in case you're
wondering, we're not talkingabout ourselves.

Shanea (00:39):
No, eventually we will.

Walter (00:41):
We will eventually Share our greatest love story.

Shanea (00:44):
Why?

Walter (00:44):
are you doing that the?

Shanea (00:45):
greatest love story.
Why are you doing that?
The greatest love story of alltime.

Walter (00:49):
Yes, eventually we will, but we're not talking about
ourselves.

Shanea (00:52):
No, this is not about us .

Walter (00:54):
No, we are referring to the love of Jesus Christ.
So with this week's episode,were we both in prayer, or what?
Was I in prayer first and thenyou joined me?

Shanea (01:10):
you were, you were in prayer okay, but you act, you.
You questioned what we weregoing to be yeah, I asked you
what the lord said we were goingto talk about yeah, and then
immediately wood dropped in myspirit.

Walter (01:25):
It's just, jesus, was like I want you to talk about me
and my love, and so that led tome.
Well, before we go any further,let's pray.

Shanea (01:38):
Okay, I prayed last time , so it's your turn all right,
all right, let's do it heavenlyfather, we thank you for this
day.
We thank you for all of ourviewers and our followers.
We thank you, father God, forproviding us with your spirit of
wisdom, your spirit, yourspecial spirit of knowledge.
Father God, I thank you foreveryone watching and I pray

(01:59):
that this message today willbless them, that you will use us
, that you will speak through usto them so that they may be
able to get a rhema word today,father God, or whatever day it
is that they are listening andwatching this.
In Jesus' name, we pray.

Walter (02:14):
Amen Amen.

Shanea (02:17):
You getting like me.
Huh, it wasn't that long.
It could have been longer.
I cut it short.

Walter (02:26):
It was there.
Let the lord use you, though.
So, um, we, you know, you asked.
You asked me what we were goingto discuss this week and
immediately I just heard talkabout him, jesus talk about me.

Shanea (02:42):
Well, I think he he's been dealing with us, that we
need to talk about him.
Yes, because the last post Idid on instagram I was like,
lord, which one you want me topost?

Walter (02:50):
he was like, uh, post this one that talks about him it
talks about me yes, and, and soit was so interesting because
we went into like a deep time ofprayer and um, um, I just, it
was just I don't know, it wasjust overwhelming like the love

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of Christ, and I was justpraying, um, not for any reason
in particular, I just felt theurge to pray.
And so, as I was praying and aswe were speaking in tongues or
heavenly language, I heard startwith the Garden of Gethsemane,

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start there, as far as where hewanted us to read, and what
ended up taking place is I beganto see the Olive Garden.
I had a vision of the OliveGarden.
I've never seen an Olive Gardena day in my life outside the
restaurant.
Olive Garden Plenty of times,but it's not the same thing.

Shanea (03:59):
It's just trash.

Walter (04:00):
It is absolutely trash.
Some people like Olive Garden.
It's trash.
You put me on the carabas.
Carabas wasn't bad it wasn't,it wasn't, but we're not gonna
lose focus, so I I it's like Istart.
I saw all of these.
Uh, what would you say?

Shanea (04:15):
cluster of trees cluster cluster.

Walter (04:18):
I'm sorry cluster of trees.
Now, I knew it was the um.
I knew it was the olive gardenor the Garden of Gethsemane.
It was an Olive.

(04:39):
Garden.
And just taken over by sorrow,joy, love, all of those
different things.
And later, when I was looking,I'm like, okay, what is the
olive tree?
And it looked exactly like whatI saw.

(05:05):
When I saw like the pictures ofthe garden of gethsemane,
because this is an actual placeand so, um, that's what we're
going to start the garden ofgethsemane.
So anything you want to addbefore we jump into this, no.
Okay, so this is at this.

(05:30):
Starts at where's my phone?
I'd rather read that Matthews26, 38 through verse 44.

Shanea (05:46):
And you want to read that or you want me to read it
Matthew 26.

Walter (05:50):
Verse 30, starting at verse 38.

Shanea (05:51):
Verse 38 through 44.
He told them my soul is crushed.

Walter (05:56):
Matter of fact, start at 36,.
I'm sorry 36?

Shanea (05:58):
Yeah, jesus prays in Gethsemane.
Then Jesus went with them tothe olive grove called
Gethsemane and he said sit herewhile I go over there to pray.
He took Peter and Zebedee's twosons, james and John, and he

(06:19):
became anguished and distressed,and we'll read an NLT version.
He told them my soul is crushedwith grief to the and
distressed, and we'll read anNLT version.
He told them my soul is crushedwith grief to the point of
death.
Stay here and keep watch withme.
He went on, a little father, andbowed with his face to the
ground, praying my father, if itis possible, let this cup of

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suffering be taken away from me.
Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.
Then he turned to the disciplesand found them asleep.
He said, peter, couldn't youwatch with me even one hour?
Keep watching, pray so that youwill not give into temptation,
for the spirit is willing, butthe body is weak.
Then Jesus left them a secondand prayed my father, if this

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cup cannot be taken away unlessI drink it, your will be done.
When he returned to them again,he found them sleeping, for
they couldn't keep their eyesopen.
So he went to pray a third time, saying the same thing.
You want me to keep going?
Oh, then he came to thedisciples and said go ahead and

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sleep, have your rest.
But look, the time has come.
The son of man is betrayed intothe hands of sinners.
Up, let's be going.

Walter (07:34):
look, my betrayer is here yeah, that was my fault,
because it should be the verse46 okay um, he wanted us to
start here.
I think the thing that reallysticks out to me is verse 38.
It states that he told them mysoul is crushed with grief to

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the point of death.
Stay here and keep watch withme.
Verse 39,.
He went on a little farther andbowed with his face to the
ground, praying my father, if itis possible, let this cup of
suffering be taken away from me.
Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.
Then he returned to thedisciples and found them asleep.

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He said to Peter couldn't youwatch with me even one hour?
Keep watching, pray so that youwill not give into temptation,
for the spirit is willing butthe body is weak.
Then Jesus left them a secondtime and prayed my father, if
this cup cannot be taken awayunless I drink it, your will be
done.
When he returned to them again,he found them sleeping, for

(08:40):
they couldn't keep their eyesopen.
So he went to pray a third time, saying the same things again.
Then he came to the disciplesand said go ahead and sleep,
have your rest, but look, thetime has come.
The son of man is beingbetrayed into the hands of
sinners.
Up, let's be going.
Look, my betrayer is here.

(09:02):
There's so much to unpack fromthose few verses.
We know that Jesus flowed inseason and out of season.
We know that he existed bothwithin time and outside of time,
and so we know that God existsoutside of time.
We know with God there's nothing as time.

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Time is.
We've said this before.
Time is only something that'sbeen set in place to keep this
earth, keep the universe going,but outside of that, that's what
God exists.
He exists in eternity.
So Jesus also existed ineternity, which is why, when you
read the gospels Matthew, mark,luke and John, he consistently

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made mention to what was to comeand why he was brought here on
earth and why he came to earth.
Because we know Jesus, the Sonof God, existed prior.
We see that in John when ittalks about how or Hebrews, I'm
sorry when it discusses how.
He was there during thebeginning, when God created

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everything.
He created everything throughhim, understand the importance
of who he is, and then, in themidst of who he is, he still

(10:34):
made a decision to layeverything down, to take this
cup of suffering.
So the first place that we canstart right take this cup of
suffering.
So the first place that we canstart right is agape love or
unconditional love?
Because, as I was, I'm likeokay, god, what do you want me

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to say?
What is this?
What do you want me to say tothe people?
And it said what I heard theSpirit of God say is there is no
greater way to understand howto approach relationships
outside of having a personalrelationship with Jesus Christ.
By pursuing him as he's pursuedus, we gain insight into how to

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love unconditionally.
And what Christ did at theGarden of Gethsemane is made a
decision to step outside of theconfinements of what the world
describes love to be and providefor us an example of
unconditional love or an agapelove.
We saw Jesus in that moment intime.

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We saw him literally knowing orgrappling with the fact, or
dealing with the fact, that hewas about to have to take on the
weight of the world prior tohim, during him and to come.
He was going to have to take onthe sins of the world.
He knew everything that he wasgoing to have to deal with.

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He knew this suffering that hewas going to have to go through,
everything that he was going tohave to deal with.
He knew this suffering that hewas going to have to go through
and he was like yo, this is alot, this is a lot to carry.
And within the flesh of himselfhe's like I don't know if I can
carry this.
I don't know if I can carrythis.

Shanea (12:26):
Yes, a lot.

Walter (12:27):
So, father, can you take this away from me?
Is there any other way that wecan do this?
Nevertheless, not my will, butyour will be done, because we
just think on the fact or wethink of it from this
perspective.
Thank you, holy Spirit.
We think of it from thisperspective, thank you, holy
Spirit.
We think of it from theperspective of saying that we

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see the natural, we don't seethe spiritual, we don't see the
spiritual weight that he broughtupon himself.
What do you mean?
It's not just him dying on thecross, it's not just him being
beaten.

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It's not just him being beatenbeyond recognition, it's not
just him taking those lashes.
It goes beyond all of that, tothe fact that he became a
sacrifice for us, all of us.

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So that means he took on all ofour sins, every single sin that
we may commit, every single sinthat we ever would commit.
He took on the weight of that.
From a spiritual perspective,he literally became filthy and
unclean beyond anything that wecould ever imagine.
So from a spiritual perspective, it was a heavy load to bear.

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No man could ever take on theweight or deal with what he took
on, wait or deal with what hetook on, you know.
So that's why I say it's.
It's not just the naturalperspective of him dying, which
was, as we know, beyond anythingthat we could ever imagine.
We talked about this before hewas punched in the face,

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consistently beat in the faceconsistently he was spat on like
over and over again and thenafter that the Bible says he was
beaten beyond recognition.
After he was beaten beyondrecognition, he was still
flogged.
So he was still beaten evenmore by the Romans.
And as the whip would hit hisback, it was not a typical whip
as it would hit his back, itwould pull back his flesh and

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everything revealing his bone.
Then after that he went throughthe process of having to walk
up to the cross.
He could not even carry his owncross, which was custom back
then.
They would carry their own cross, but they had beaten him so
much and took him through somuch that he it was impossible
for him to carry his his owncross or someone else had to

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carry it for him.
Then when he got on the cross,they nailed him to the cross.
So all of that from a naturalperspective.
One could never imagine what itis to go through that.
But then we don't even dig intothe spiritual, because for God

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to turn away from him it's notjust him being on the cross.
It's not just oh, he's on thecross and he's taken on the sins
of the world from a naturalperspective.

Shanea (15:36):
No, he became a sinner.

Walter (15:37):
He became a sinner, literally, spiritually,
spiritually.
He became a sinner Spiritually,spiritually, he became a sinner
Spiritually.
So, as he sat in the Garden ofGethsemane, he sat understanding
that this is everything that hewas about to have to face,

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spiritually and naturally.
And we start there, and that'swhy, when I was listening, he
said this is the greatest lovestory ever.
This is literally the greatestlove story ever.

(16:19):
So we know, with Agape Love, Ithink Agape Love is, is it, um,
a matter of fact?

Shanea (16:27):
I'll let you read that, babe what agape love um the
beginning agape love is a greekword that describes a type of
unconditional, selfless lovethat is often considered the
highest form of love inChristianity.
The definition of agape is aGreek word that means brotherly

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love, charity.
It is often used to describethe love of God for humans and
the love of humans for God.

Walter (16:58):
So we can start right there and we will touch on the
characteristics of agape love,the selflessness, sacrifice,
empathy, unconditional.
And so selflessness love isbasically a love that is freely
given without expecting anythingin return.
Sacrificial love is a love thatis sacrificial, that involves

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putting the needs of othersbefore yourself.
Empathy is a love.
Agape love is filled withkindness and empathy for others.
Unconditional love is itbasically accepts others without
expectations.
This solidifies and of coursewe know that agape is basically
the Greek word and this is whatit was referring to as far as

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what Jesus did.

Shanea (17:43):
Yeah, unconditional love .

Walter (17:44):
Exactly and referring to John 3, 16, which states what
For God so loved the world thathe gave his only begotten son
that whosoever will believe inhim shall not perish but have
eternal life.
And LT says that, for this ishow God loved the world he gave
his one and only son so thateveryone who believes in him

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will not perish but have eternallife.
God sent his son into the worldnot to judge the world, but to
save the world through him.
So we see two things takingplace here we see the love of
God for mankind and we see thelove of Jesus Christ, christ for

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us as our lord and savior andthe love of his father so, as we
, as we are discussing this,what comes to mind with you?

Shanea (18:39):
um, I think the thing with me is just how much Jesus
loved his father and how muchthe father loved his son that he
would well.
How much God loves us, hiscreation, that he would send his
only son as a sacrifice, a puresacrifice to save us, and

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Jesus' love for his father thathe would go through the things
that he went through, becauseGod's love is obedience.
Yeah.
And so, through Jesus' obedienceto the father, it showed how
much he loved God, and we are tofollow as an example.

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If Jesus, the son of man, hadto be obedient to the father to
show love, then we also have todo the same thing and being
obedient.

Walter (19:45):
Yeah, I think that's good, because that's great.
You said it is a reflection ofGod's love for his son and the
son's love for his father, and Iwould add even in that it also
is a reflection of both theirlove for us and God's love

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language being obedience whichextends to Jesus' love language
being what Obedience?
Yeah.
That is the greatest way thatyou can show that you love him,

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love him.
And so, even when we dig intojust what took place at the
Garden of Gethsemane, jesusshowed, through his obedience to
the Father, how much he lovedhim.
Yeah.
He also showed, through hiswillingness to become a
sacrificial offering for us, howmuch he loves us, Even to the
point to where he was on thecross and they were mocking him.

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He looked up to the Father andsaid forgive them, for they know
not what they do.
Even if you don't accept it, hestill died for you.
Even if you don't accept it, hestill died for you.
That is so.
It's so much to take in, butit's just the reality of how

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much he loves us, and so I would, as you were saying that, what
came to mind is Hebrews 11.
Right, and so verse all ofHebrews is good.
I would say he read Hebrews oneis really good Hebrews 11.
We know that's the chapter offaith, but starting at verse 5,

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it says For God never said toany angel what he said to Jesus
you are my son.
Today I have become your father.
God also said I will be hisfather and he will be my son.
And when he brought his supremeson into the world, God said
let all of God's angels worshiphim.
Regarding the angels, he say hesends his angels like the winds

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, his servants like flame offire.
But to the son he says yourthrone, O God endures forever
and ever.
You rule with a scepter ofjustice.
You love justice and hate evil.
Therefore, O God, your God, hasanointed you, pouring out the
oil of joy on you more thananyone else.
He also says to the son in thebeginning, the Lord in the

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beginning, Lord, you laid thefoundation of the earth and made
the heavens with your hands.
They will perish, but you willremain forever.
They will wear out like oldclothing.

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We saw.
Hebrews 11 is just reallywitnessing a moment of God
glorifying the Son.
And God looked at the son andcalled him God, and he glorified
him and showed how much heloves his son.
Yet he showed how much he lovedus because he knew, based on

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what Adam and Eve did in thebeginning, we needed a
redemptive plan to reconcile manback to God.

Shanea (23:23):
Yeah, the animals was not enough.

Walter (23:26):
Nope, Nope.
It was not Because we are.
Incense wasn't enough.
We're imperfect people.

Shanea (23:33):
Yeah.

Walter (23:35):
And he knows that.
Yet he loves us so much thathe's like, all right, I got you.

Shanea (23:39):
And he needed a human sacrifice Because, while animals
were pure, right, they didn'tsin technically.
So they were a great sacrifice,but the ultimate sacrifice.

Walter (23:53):
Is a human, is a human being.
His son, who was, was becauseno man could be perfect.
Matter of fact, he's like okay,I have to send my own son, who
literally never sinned, becamethe ultimate imperfect sacrifice
, offering himself, offeringhimself.

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Animals don't offer themselvesno, they don't.
He offered himself for us, takenupon the sins of the world,
even though he never sinnedhimself.
And so, when I think about itbeing the greatest love story
ever, it really is.
It really is the greatest lovestory ever.
John 15, 13 through 7.

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It states and this is jesusspeaking uh, 15, 13.
He says there is no greaterlove than to lay down one's life
for one's friends.
Friends, you are my friends ifyou do what I command.
There we go again.

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Obedience.
I no longer call you slaves,because a master doesn't confide
in his slaves.
Now you are my friends, since Ihave told you everything the
Father told me.
You didn't choose me, I choseyou.
I appointed you to go andproduce lasting fruit so that
the Father would give youwhatever you ask for using my

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name.
This is my command Love eachother.
That touched on what you talkedabout his love language being
obedience.
Yeah, that came from Micah whenhe was asking him what his love
language was.

Shanea (25:35):
It's obedience.

Walter (25:37):
It's obedience.
Everything is centered aroundobedience.
It even shifts you from being aservant to being his friend.
Yeah.
Showing how much you love him bybeing obedient.
Even there's a there's a placein the gospels where it touches
on how Jesus spoke and said thathe shows how much he loves the

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Father by being obedient to theFather himself.
So once again he's letting usknow.
He subjects ourselves to thesame thing that he asked of us.
He's the perfect example of howwe should move.
He shows us how much he lovesus.
He shows us how much he caresfor us.
He teaches us and then he saysI want you to do the same.

Shanea (26:22):
Yeah, and more.

Walter (26:24):
And so it's so much that we can take away from this
right.
And I think one of the thingsthat I would say.
First, I was asking God.
I'm like, okay, is thereanything that you want to say to

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the people?
And he said his love knows nobounds.
So, babe, what does that meanto you, even within your
personal walk?

Shanea (27:05):
that God loves.
Love knows no bounds.
Jesus, love knows no bounds foryou.
I mean it.
It means that, because he choseme, that it doesn't matter what
I do, what I've done, itdoesn't matter what I do, it
doesn't matter what I've done,it doesn't matter where I go, it
doesn't matter even if I serveanother God, he's still going to

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love me.
Now that doesn't mean that he'sgoing to accept me into heaven.
His consequences If I go and youknow, serve another God.
But he loves me enough toaccept me into heaven if I
consequences if I go and youknow, serve another god.
But he loves me enough to giveme a choice to choose what I
want to do.

Walter (27:43):
No different than a parent who loves a child I think
that's key because, um, heloves us enough to give us the
choice to choose yeah, just likewhen you love your child or you
know, you know where they'regoing to go and how they're
going to move.

Shanea (28:00):
You love them anyway and it's an unconditional love.
You're going to love them andyou're going to be them for them
, be there for them if they callback out to you.

Walter (28:10):
I think that's a good point, because what I would say
is that we have all of thesedifferent debates going on right
now, right, and we heareverybody saying what God says
and what Jesus stands for, andhe's this, he's that, he's
against this, he's against that,and example after example
within the Bible shows us thatGod is all about you making the
decision.

Shanea (28:31):
Yeah.

Walter (28:31):
That, jesus, is all about you making the decisions.

Shanea (28:34):
Yeah, and he's always with you, even when you make
those decisions.
Now he doesn't agree with you.

Walter (28:39):
He might not agree with your decision but he leaves it
open for you to make.
Yeah, yeah, he.

Shanea (28:47):
This is going to be very controversial because he's
already given us guidelines onwhat to follow, what rules we
should follow and what we shouldand should not do.
Yet he's there when we makethese decisions.

Walter (29:01):
So here's the thing.

Shanea (29:02):
What.

Walter (29:03):
God is pro-choice.

Shanea (29:06):
I knew you was going there.

Walter (29:09):
In everything, God is pro-choice.

Shanea (29:10):
He's pro-choice.

Walter (29:12):
Because in the beginning , when we looked at, I just
wanted to get permission beforeI said something.
Um, in the beginning, in thegarden of eden, we saw god put
two trees up right.

Shanea (29:26):
We saw him put out the tree of life and then in the
tree of knowledge, of good andevil he told adam, don't eat
from the tree of knowledge andgood and evil, because if you do
, you will surely die.

Walter (29:38):
He left Adam and Eve to make the decision Right If God
was not for you making thechoice.

Shanea (29:44):
If he didn't love you, he wouldn't even told you.

Walter (29:46):
No.

Shanea (29:47):
Which tree you shouldn't eat from.

Walter (29:48):
If he was not for you making the choice, he wouldn't
have even put the tree there.
He would have given you onlyone choice God choice.
He wouldn't have even put thetree there.

Shanea (29:55):
Right.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
He would have given you only one choice God is not a
dictator.
God is not a dictator Jesus isnot a dictator.

Walter (29:58):
Jesus is not a dictator, because that's not love.

Shanea (30:01):
No.

Walter (30:02):
It's a greater love when we make the decision to love
him, not when he forces us tolove him.

Shanea (30:08):
Right.

Walter (30:09):
Even with Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane, he made a
decision.

Shanea (30:13):
Yeah.

Walter (30:14):
God didn't force him to do anything.
He made a decision.

Shanea (30:18):
No, he said not my will, but your will.

Walter (30:21):
He showed God I love you so much, through partaking in
the ultimate act of obedience toyou, the ultimate act of taking
upon this cup of suffering.

Shanea (30:33):
Anyone who lays down their life for you loves you so
much, just like a parent and achild.

Walter (30:41):
You will lay down a light or a husband and a wife
one of the key things, thoughagape love characteristics right
unconditional and we can diginto um first corinthians, the
love chapter, but unconditionalAgape.
Love is unconditional andaccepts others without
expectations.
Yeah, that was Jesus looking upto heaven when they were

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sinning and it was mocking him.
He said Father, forgive them,for they know not what they do.
And he still chose to stay onthat cross and finish that work.

Shanea (31:12):
Because Jesus is God.
He has access to all type ofsupernatural powers.
He is the ultimate superhero.

Walter (31:23):
He is the ultimate superhero.
All these movies, Marvels, DC,all that.
He is the ultimate superhero.
There is none greater than him.

Shanea (31:31):
He's walked on water and he chose to sacrifice all of of
that.

Walter (31:35):
he gave up all of his inheritance he, he put
constraints on himself, yeah heput constraints on himself to
walk in flesh.
He constraint himself,constrain himself to flesh, to
man, because after everythingwas said and done, we saw him
move and go in his true form andthere was no longer any

(31:55):
constraints, he just flowed no,he had a new body he just flowed
.
He's like all right, I did mywork, let me show you all my
real glory.
And so, with that being thecase, that's why I say we have
to understand what a part ofseeing the love of god, a part
of seeing the love of God, apart of seeing the love of

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Christ is.
He never forces it upon you.
We see that with the rich,young ruler.

Shanea (32:23):
No, but there are consequences when you don't.

Walter (32:26):
Yeah, there are consequences, there's
consequences yeah his love is soamazing that if he's called you
and you are part of the peoplehe's chosen that he was Peter.
Right, he knew Peter was goingto deny him, yet he still went
and found Peter and he toldPeter afterwards because Peter
didn't want to, he didn't wantto see Christ, he was ashamed

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that he denied him, he lied andsaid he didn't know him three
times, like Jesus said he would.
And he said Peter, do you loveme?
At the end he said yeah.
He said feed my flock, peter,do you love me?
Yes, feed my flock.
What's that scripture?
What's that scripture?

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Feed my sheep?
Yes.
That is John 21, 17.
Because it's such an amazingmoment and anyone that knows
essentially the reason they hadthis moment is because Jesus
told Peter that he was going todeny him three times before the

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rooster crowed right and afterhe denied him.
Peter was ashamed and so let mepull it up.
What are you looking up overthere, babe?

Shanea (33:47):
um, I was just looking at um, at the rich man.
Um went because there's.
There's a part where um, whenthe rich man asked jesus, I've
obeyed all your commandmentssince I was young.
And then jesus looked at theman and he felt genuine love for
him and he said there's stillone thing you haven't done.

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And he told him to go sell allyour stuff.
And the man's face fell and hewas so sad.

Walter (34:19):
Because he knew he couldn't do it.

Shanea (34:21):
He couldn't do it.

Walter (34:22):
And Jesus was essentially saying to him
there's still one thing youhaven't done.
What he was essentially sayingis you haven't given me all of
you, so give me all of you.
You haven't put me first.
Yes.

Shanea (34:34):
Because I'm worth way more than what you have than
what you have.

Walter (34:39):
But you can't see that, so you've been because you
idolize money you've been doingall of these things, but there's
still a part of you that you'vekept away from me.

Shanea (34:49):
It's like I love you, but how much do you love me?

Walter (34:53):
you don't love me enough to sacrifice money, fame,
fortune it goes right back tothat sacrificial love that he
requires you literally have tolay down your life and die.
He became the example.
We lay our life down and we die.
That means whatever things,whatever we have, whatever we
desire.
We lay it down for him becausehe showed us.

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He became the perfect example.
That's why it digs back into,even as leaders, as husbands.

Shanea (35:22):
As husbands.
Yeah, I was about to go backinto because this is a
relationship podcast.

Walter (35:26):
As husbands.
You can't be, controlling ashusbands, you can't be a
dictator.
As husbands.
You can't be abusive becauseit's not who he is.
He's become the perfect exampleas husbands.
You supposed to lay down yourlife.
Ephesians four, ephesians five Ithink it's Ephesians four,
jesus became the example right,and so I think that is so

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important.
And John 21,.
I love John 21 because it justshows an example of how much he
loves us.
The Bible says this is John 21,verse 7.
It says then the disciples,jesus loved, said to Peter it's

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the Lord.
When Simon Peter heard that itwas the Lord, he put on his
tunic for he has stripped forwork jumped into the water and
headed to shore.
The other stayed with the boatand pulled the low loaded net to
the shore, for they were onlyabout a hundred yards from shore
.
So Peter had felt so bad aboutwhat he did.

(36:34):
He went back to fishing I'mserious, because he denied
Christ three times.
So he's like there's no way Icould continue to be a disciple,
there's no way I could continueto be an apostle, so I just
have to go back to what I wasdoing I.
He was so ashamed of what hedid that he went back and said

(36:58):
it's no way that he would wantto have me be a part of this
anymore.
And so the Bible says versenine when they got there, they
found breakfast waiting for them, fish cooking over a charcoal
fire and some bread.
Bring some of the fish you'vejust caught.
Jesus said so.
Simon Peter went aboard anddragged the net to the shore.

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There were 153 large fish andyet the net hadn't torn.
Now come and have somebreakfast, jesus said.
None of the disciples dared toask him who are you?
They knew it was the Lord.
Then Jesus served them thebread and the fish.
This was the third time Jesushad appeared to his disciples

(37:41):
since he had been raised fromthe dead.
After breakfast, jesus askedSimon Peter, simon, son of John,
do you love me more than these?
Yes, lord Peter replied youknow I love you.
Then feed my lambs, jesus toldhim.
Jesus repeated the questionSimon, son of John, do you love

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me?
Yes, lord Peter said you know Ilove you.
Then take care of my sheep,jesus said A third time.
He asked him Simon, son of John, do you love me?
Peter was hurt that Jesus askedthe question a third time.
He said Lord, you knoweverything.
You know that I love you.
Jesus said then feed my sheep.

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I tell you the truth when youwere young, you were able to do
as you liked.
You dress yourself and wentwherever you wanted to go.
But when you are old, you willstretch out your hands and
others would dress you and takeyou where you don't want to go.
Jesus said this to let him knowby what kind of death he would
glorify God.

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Then Jesus told him follow me.
Peter turned around and sawbehind them the disciple.
Jesus loved the one who hadleaned over to Jesus during the
supper and asked Lord, who willbetray you?
So there's interesting.
Jesus asked him three times.

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He denied Jesus three times.
Literally, jesus showed himI've let that go.
I still love you.
Feed my sheep, do what I'vecalled you to do.
I've come here to restore you.
I knew you were going to denyme, yet my love knows no bounds.

Shanea (39:45):
His love is greater.
I knew you were going to denyme, but I died on the cross for
you anyway, so that you can comeback to me and do what I've
called you to do, because you'retied to other people, like I
care about you, but I care aboutthese people too.
But I need you to help theseother people, and without you,

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how are these other people goingto be helped?
How am I going to be able touse you?
How am I going to be able touse you?
So it's walking in obedience,because your obedience is tied
to other people's lives.
It's not just.
It's like you have all thesenew age or spiritualists and

(40:28):
stuff.
Right, you have a purpose.
Everybody knows they have apurpose.
But it's like your purposeisn't just tied to yourself.
Your purpose is tied to otherpeople, just like purpose isn't
just tied to yourself.

Walter (40:35):
your purpose is tied to other people, just like jesus's
purpose was tied to other people, it was tied to us all of us,
everything, everything that wehave, the being able to dream
and have visions and being ableto move within the spirit, being
able to heal the sick, beingable to uh walk with authority,
being able to uh battle thingswithin the spirit, having the

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able to heal the sick, beingable to walk with authority,
being able to battle thingswithin the spirit, having the
wisdom of God, having access toGod, having the relationships we
have.
It's all tied back to whatChrist did at the cross.

Shanea (41:05):
Yeah, even us doing this podcast, we're doing this out
of obedience, because we knowthat it's that some people need
a word.
There are people out there thatneed to get to know who Christ
is.

Walter (41:19):
And you get to a point of becoming like Moses, and it's
just for me.
I knew how life was outside ofChrist.

Shanea (41:31):
Yes.

Walter (41:32):
And I don't ever want to go back there again.
Right Christ.
Yes, and I don't ever want togo back there again.
Right, there's nothing greaterthat you can experience outside
of the love of Christ that hewill meet you where you are.
No matter how many times youdeny him, no matter how many
times you turn your back on him,he's such an amazing.
He's such an amazing, he's suchan amazing being that he never

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turns his back on you no he evensaid, and I I wouldn't
recommend it.
The scripture tells us.
He said you can speak againstme, you can even speak against
god, but never blaspheme theholy spirit, because if you
blaspheme the holy spirit you,because if you blaspheme the
Holy Spirit, you will never beforgiven.

Shanea (42:16):
No.

Walter (42:17):
And people have said some very cruel things about
Jesus, and so for me I thinkthat's the powerful part it's no
way possible that you canexperience him and go back to
living life without him.

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So obedience to me is soimportant, because I don't want
to lose his presence.

Shanea (42:48):
No, and I think it's important for people to know
that, because a lot of peopledon't experience God, they don't
experience Jesus, so it's soeasy for them.
To what do they call itBackslide?
There's no backsliding overhere.

Walter (43:05):
That's what Paul said.
I don't understand how youexperience him to turn away.

Shanea (43:08):
There's no backsliding Now, will you make mistakes.

Walter (43:11):
Yes.

Shanea (43:12):
But backsliding, that means you've completely turned
away what Catherine Kluge said.
But backsliding, that meansyou've completely turned away
what katherine cool is like.
You never had him in the firstplace.
If you're backsliding, younever had jesus in the first
place katherine coolman saidwhat she said.

Walter (43:23):
You literally can, um, you could take everything away
from me.
You can have, I'll live on thestreet, but don't take the holy
spirit away.
I can't live without the holyspirit.
The holy spirit being whatjesus?
Yeah, we have the holy spirit.

Shanea (43:43):
The holy spirit is jesus your comforter, your provider,
your redeemer, your protector,jesus so to translate what she
said don't take jesus away fromme.

Walter (43:53):
Take anything else, but don't take jesus.
Don't take him.
And from me, take anything else, but don't take Jesus.

Shanea (43:57):
Don't take him and so especially because we know what
it was like to live without him.

Walter (44:04):
And I will say this for those who think oh well, peter
backslid, peter didn't backslide.

Shanea (44:09):
He didn't.

Walter (44:10):
Peter didn't backslide, which is why, when Jesus came,
he went straight to him.
He did not backslide.
Now, he stopped doing what hewas doing because he felt he
wasn't worthy of doing it.
That's first.
Second of all, we're talkingabout a moment in time when all
of the power and all of thethings the apostles and them did

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, they did not have the HolySpirit.

Shanea (44:34):
It was upon them.

Walter (44:36):
Yeah, they didn't have the Holy.

Shanea (44:37):
Spirit Jesus was with them.
He sent them Right.

Walter (44:39):
But the Holy Spirit didn't dwell inside them.
So now, if you have Jesus, ifyou experience Jesus, if you
encounter Jesus, yeah, thedisciples did not leave Jesus
aside.
No.

Shanea (44:51):
When Jesus was right there and present with them,
they didn't go anywhere.

Walter (44:55):
Now, after Jesus, they were filled with the power of
the Holy Spirit.

Shanea (44:59):
Was it after a couple of days, though?

Walter (45:01):
I believe so.

Shanea (45:01):
It wasn't immediately right after.

Walter (45:03):
No, it wasn't immediately right after.

Shanea (45:05):
That's why Peter went back to doing what he was doing.
They had to wait Because Jesuswasn't there.

Walter (45:09):
No, they had to wait for him to come, and I believe that
was during the.
That was in Acts.
That was the day of Pentecostthat, that took place, and so,
with that being the case, whatthe scripture is saying is that
there's no way, and what my wifewas referring to, what you're
referring to, babe is that ifyou experience Jesus Christ,

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part of experiencing him, thereshould be a change in your life.

Shanea (45:35):
There's a transformation that takes place when you truly
accept Jesus Christ as yourLord and Savior.
And if you don't truly accepthim as your Lord and Savior, you
will backslide.

Walter (45:46):
And that's believing in your heart and accepting him.

Shanea (45:49):
And doing what he says do because Jesus' love, God's
love, is obedience.

Walter (45:54):
And I can speak.
I can attest to that because,once again, I grew up in church.
I grew up in church, so Iconsidered myself a Christian.

Shanea (46:01):
Yeah.

Walter (46:02):
But I had no relationship with God.

Shanea (46:04):
Yeah.

Walter (46:05):
None whatsoever.

Shanea (46:05):
Yeah.

Walter (46:06):
It was all based on religion.
It was all based on works.
I had no understanding of whatwas taking place.

Shanea (46:11):
Yeah, and that's why it's so important to have a
supernatural encounter.
It's not just reading yourBible, but knowing who God is.

Walter (46:20):
And supernatural, because through the supernatural
being changed, because I hadsupernatural experiences that
took place with me.
So I had, I encountered thingsthat I can't speak on, but that
would make you think that, oh,I'm doing something right, there
are certain things I can'tspeak on.
But that would make you thinkthat, oh, I'm doing something
right, there are certain thingsI can't speak on.
But then, of course, I wasdreaming.

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I was having visions,encountering God in supernatural
ways.

Shanea (46:47):
Right.

Walter (46:47):
But I never really had a relationship with God.
It wasn't until my encounterwith him once again in 2022 that
I truly encountered him,because what happened?
I changed.
He removed desires.
There was a transformation thattook place in my life.
There are things that I alwaysstruggle with, that just.

Shanea (47:08):
Right, but it was supernatural because not
anything that you could havedone.
No have done.
No, because you've tried to doall those things before to stop,
you know, with um being angry,depressed um masturbation
pornography, you tried stoppingdoing all suicidal thoughts.
Yeah, tried stopping that withtherapy.

Walter (47:29):
Um other modalities you use, but none of it worked it's
not until I truly encounteredjesus and accepted him as my
Lord and Savior, and that's whyyou backslide.

Shanea (47:38):
It's because you're doing all these things by
yourself.
You're becoming your own Godand you're not allowing him to
do what he.

Walter (47:47):
Well, here's a dangerous thing that the Holy Spirit gave
to me 2023, I believe, thebeginning of 2023.
He said that and we talkedabout this.
There are many in the churchthat confessed with their mouth.
Right, but they never, believedin their heart that he was
their Lord and Savior, and whathe was saying is that when you

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believe in your heart, whattakes place is transformation.

Shanea (48:12):
Yeah, when you believe in your heart, it's doing what
God commands you to do.
Yeah, it's a when you trulybelieve.
Yes, when you believe in yourheart, it's doing what God
commands you to do.

Walter (48:17):
Yeah, it's a when you truly believe it's faith you
follow him.
It's faith that bring forth thetransformation to be able to do
what he's telling you to do,because it's only through the
power of the Holy Spirit thatyou're able to operate within
that level of obedience.

Shanea (48:43):
It's only through the power of the Holy Spirit that
transformation is truly able totake place.
Yeah, and just like we weretalking we were talking about
last night is when you love God.
We're created in his image, andso you can't possibly love
yourself, do the things that youneed to do for yourself,
because you don't know what loveis without loving Jesus Christ,
first, knowing his love.

Walter (48:57):
Or even touching on that .
We talked about this becausethis came to me last night and
it was so good and it says whatthe Holy Spirit dropped in my
spirit is that, as people, we goto people who don't know God.

Shanea (49:12):
Yeah.

Walter (49:13):
Seeking their advice on how to make a system work that
was designed by God.
Yeah, seeking their advice onhow to make a system work that
was designed by God.

Shanea (49:19):
Yeah.

Walter (49:20):
And this is how we approach relationships.

Shanea (49:22):
Yeah.

Walter (49:23):
Premarital counseling, post-marital counseling.
This is also how we approachour relationship with God.
We are going to people whodon't have a relationship with
God.
Yeah.
Trying to get them to teach ushow to get a system to work that
you can only understand how towork within by actually knowing

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him.

Shanea (49:43):
The creator, mm-hmm, the one who created.

Walter (49:46):
Connected to him?
Yeah, and outside of thatconnection, I can't teach you
this.

Shanea (49:50):
No, Otherwise you'll have a counterfeit system that
you're operating in.

Walter (49:54):
You'll operate all under religion.
Mm religion.
And it's the very thing and wehave to be very careful because
religion is the very thing thatbasically, even though they felt
like they destroyed?
They didn't.
It was all in the part of hisplan, but it's the very thing
that killed Jesus.

Shanea (50:07):
Yeah, religion killed Jesus.
Religion killed Jesus,pharisees killed Jesus.

Walter (50:11):
Jesus came and he was teaching relationship.
Right, he was teachingrelationship by way of the
spirit.
He taught relationship.
The Pharisees hated it becausethey said no, this is not
religion and we supposed topartake in religion?
You are going against thereligious practices.
And Jesus said no, god isspirit, you're the.

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Worship him in spirit and truthand everything that Jesus did.
It pointed us back to having arelationship with the father
right.

Shanea (50:37):
What's the point of following all these religious
laws if it doesn't bring any?
for it doesn't bring forth anychange you're just doing this,
you're just going through thesame cycles, and that's where we
get culture, that's where weget generational curses.
You're doing the same thingsover and over and over again,
but you're not consulting withyour creator.
You're consulting with theserules, and as long as you follow
these rules, things aren'tgoing to change.

(50:58):
And so things don't change.
You don't have anytransformation.
You're going to keep dealingwith the same things, the same
cycles, over and over and over.

Walter (51:06):
Not realizing that Jesus wants you to experience all of
his glory.
That's why he said in the Biblelisten, because the disciples
did not want him to go away.
But he said I have to go.
I have to go in order to sendyou the helper, and there's
others that's going to need thehelper as well the spirit of

(51:26):
truth.

Shanea (51:27):
Yes, like I have to go, because, while you're following
me and needing me, other peopleneed me too, and they will need
me even after you're gone.
Other people need me too.

Walter (51:35):
And they will need me even after you're gone, so I
can't stay here, which is why,once again, we have to get to a
point of teaching peoplerelationship.
We have to move away from beingin a place where we teach
people to follow us instead offollowing Christ, people to
follow us instead of followingChrist, because when you follow

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me and you have your eyes on me,man you have your eyes on man.
You can't experience God in allhis glory.

Shanea (52:05):
No, you're experiencing God through someone else which
is why you don't experience him.

Walter (52:10):
No because that man has become your guide, unknowingly
and unfortunately.
We have leaders.
We have relationship gurus whoare even Christians,
relationship coaches or whateverthe case may be that they live
off the fact of trying to teachpeople to follow them.

Shanea (52:29):
Yeah, that's why and there's nothing wrong with going
to church every Sunday, butit's like people have to like
that, have to be in churchSunday, Otherwise my week's just
going to be horrible and it'slike, no, you should go to
church every Sunday.
But going to church everySunday to listen to your pastor
shouldn't be who you'reconsulting with for your week.

Walter (52:50):
You should be consulting with God.

Shanea (52:51):
You should be consulting with God every day, if anything
, when you get to church, ifyour pastor is on point with
what he's teaching you shouldhave already had a moment with
God, what God already explainedto you, or been dealing with you
on those things, exactly Beforeyou went to church, and that
man of God or a woman of.
God is just going to confirmwhat it is that God has been
speaking to you.

Walter (53:10):
Which is why you have to have your own alone time, own
alone time, but it, it, it goesback to the fact of us having a
relationship with god us havinga relationship with christ us
understanding this the greatestlove in our lives should be
christ yeah it should be him itshould be, because how are you

(53:30):
going to operate in this worldsaying that I love myself and
giving love to others and youdon't know the one who laid down
his life for you.

Shanea (53:38):
You don't actually truly know what love is, and a lot of
us go through life and like Idon't really.
I don't really know what loveis no, even when we came
together, I had no idea whatlove was.
Love to me was abuse.
Love to me was heartbreak, evenfrom a child.
Love to me was abuse.
Love to me was heartbreak.
Love to me was emotional abuse,verbal abuse, physical abuse.

Walter (54:04):
Well see, the thing is though.

Shanea (54:05):
Trauma that was my love language.

Walter (54:07):
It's because, first and foremost, we don't have an
understanding of relationships,yeah, and then men, they don't
understand Ephesians 5.

Shanea (54:15):
Yeah, ephesians 5.

Walter (54:16):
Ephesians 5.
Yeah, ephesians, 5.
Ephesians 5, 25.
For husbands, this means loveyour wives just as Christ loved
the church.
He gave up his life for her tomake her holy and clean, washed
by the cleansing of God's word.
He did this to present her tohimself as a glorious church,
without a spot or wrinkle or anyother blemish.

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Instead, she will be holy andwithout fault.
In the same way, husbands oughtto love their wives as they
love their own bodies, For a manwho loves his wife actually
shows love for himself.
No one hates his own body, butfeeds and cares for it, just as
Christ cares for the church andwe are members of his body as

(55:00):
the scripture says, a man leaveshis father and mother and is
joined to his wife and the twoare united into one.
This is a great mystery, but itis an illustration of the way
christ and the church are one.
So again I say each man mustlove his wife as he loves
himself, and the wife mustrespect her husband.
Yet what we don't understandand we say this all the time,

(55:21):
but we don't understand thepower within it is that our
marriage should be a reflectionof the church.

Shanea (55:25):
Exactly.

Walter (55:26):
The relationship that Christ has with the church.

Shanea (55:29):
So the man should have the relationship with Jesus as
Christ, so he will learn how tolove his wife.
First love himself and thenlove his wife.

Walter (55:41):
Apart from Christ, you can't do it.

Shanea (55:43):
Because if you're made in an image of God, you can't
possibly love yourself if youdon't love him first.

Walter (55:49):
Apart from Christ you can't do it.

Shanea (55:51):
Apart from Christ is impossible, you could try and
people out here in the world saythis is love, this is love.

Walter (55:56):
It's not love, it's selfish.

Shanea (55:58):
It's selfishness, it's abuse.

Walter (56:01):
But it's not love.

Shanea (56:02):
It's not love.

Walter (56:03):
We see the greatest example of love in what he did,
in what Christ did at the cross.
We see the greatest example oflove at the beginning, even the
beginning stages of what tookplace in the garden of
Gethsemane.

Shanea (56:13):
Yeah, it's unconditional .
And it's not to say that womenwho are married or about to get
married to treat your husbandhorrible and he's going to love
you.
Yeah, love you any kind of way.
There's consequences for sure.

Walter (56:26):
Ideally, you both should have a relationship with God.
As men, we become the ultimateexample on how we are to love
our wives, and it's impossibleto love your wife outside of God
, outside of Christ.

Shanea (56:40):
No, because you get frustrated, you get angry
Because you have to die toyourself, and that is not an
easy thing to do.
It's not easy.

Walter (56:46):
It's not easy dying to yourself.
It's not easy to die to yourown wants, especially when we
live in a world that is soself-based.
It teaches us to be selfish.
It teaches us to approach loveselfishly.
So, outside of Christ, that'simpossible.
So, even as we're about to cometo an end and I think we talked

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about a lot of stuff is thereanything, any thoughts that you
would like to leave the peoplewith Anything that God is
placing on your spirit?
Um, is there anything, any anythoughts that you would like to
leave the people with anythingthat God is placing on your
spirit?
Um not to put you on the spot.

Shanea (57:29):
You are putting me on the spot.

Walter (57:30):
You might as well be used to it at this point.

Shanea (57:32):
Yeah, no, I was just reading this um, um, this
passage by cs lewis, and he wastalking about how, um, when he
first got into ministry, um,there were two men one was with
his wife for like 50 years andthe other one was with his wife
for like four months and theyboth had said they loved their
wives but now they don't want tobe with them anymore.

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And he was just so intrigued bythat, like how can you say you
love God and you love JesusChrist, but you don't love your
wife anymore?
And he was saying that hebelieved that the nature of real
love is that it will bepatterned after the way that

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Jesus loved the church and gavehimself for her.
Husbands are to love theirwives with the same kind of love
Ephesians 5, 22 through 23.
And he defined this kind oflove as an unconditional
commitment to an imperfectperson, because the church is
imperfect and that's not easy todo and I know a lot of
relationship experts and youknow they're just like I can't.

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I can't explain it because I'mnot a dude, right, but I know
that it's hard for you to haveto die to yourself every day
because you're the leader, andso I'm not perfect, and so I'm
going to make mistakes, I'mgoing to say things, I'm going
to do things that you're notgoing to like, but you, being in

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a relationship with God, withthe Holy Spirit, with Jesus, and
you'll know how to help merewire my brain and rewire the
way that I think, renewing mymind, helping me do that through
your relationship so that wecan have a better relationship

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with each other.

Walter (59:31):
Yeah Well, I think what the world will teach you, and
even the church teach you, aboutcommunity and community is good
, don't get me wrong.
It's good to have otherbrothers in the faith who are on
this walk, but I believe thegreatest, what's greater with me
and allows me to kind of move,is I have the Holy Spirit that

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dwells within me.
I have a relationship withJesus Christ.
So a lot of times I'm directlyconnected to the Father, and
when I'm speaking to the Father,I'm speaking to Christ.
When I'm speaking to Christ,I'm speaking to the Father.
And so there'll be times asstuff takes place and my flesh
wants to get in the way, and theHoly Spirit will let me know

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now, or if I do something or saysomething, he'll let me know
you should not have said thatand you need to apologize.
Or you know I have dreams orvisions of things that's taking
place, or just recognizing thatsomething is going on and
praying without you even knowingit.
And so that's why I believe, asmen, it's really important that
we have a relationship with God, because outside of that, it's

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impossible for you to beeverything God has called you to
be within the context ofmarriage, because it is not easy
dying to self, and it's noteven to say that you are a
horrible person.
It's to say that, just as muchas you are imperfect, I'm
imperfect as well.
That's the challenge.
The challenge is that I'mimperfect as well.
That's the challenge.

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The challenge is that I'mimperfect.
Yeah, and because I amimperfect, if I try to love you
from an imperfect place, it willliterally destroy this marriage
.
Yeah, because you literallybirth for things.
If I give you something, allyou're doing is birthing that
fourth.
Yeah, and men don't realizethat, as you are pouring into

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your wife, you're getting madabout what's coming out, but
it's because of what you'repouring into her.

Shanea (01:01:23):
Exactly.

Walter (01:01:24):
But then at the same time, I birth forth things too,
from a spiritual perspective.

Shanea (01:01:28):
Yeah.

Walter (01:01:28):
So whatever I'm pouring into you is based on what I'm
allowing to be poured into me,and so we are going to places,
whether it be our church,whether it be a podcast that
we're listening to.
We know we have this wholemen's I don't know what you call
it the movement, I don't knowwhat it is.

Shanea (01:01:46):
Red pill, yeah that.
Thing.

Walter (01:01:48):
We have this whole situation going on.
You're listening to this messand you're pumping this into
your wife Right, and you wonderwhy your marriage is failing.

Shanea (01:01:57):
Right.

Walter (01:01:58):
Once we get past, okay, because we can dig into.
Is she where God has called youto be Right?
Are you with who God has called?

Shanea (01:02:03):
you to be Right.

Walter (01:02:03):
First thing First thing Do you have a relationship with
God?
Do you know God?
All of these things areimportant before we get there,
but let's say you have all thattogether it it's still important
after the relationship with God, after knowing for sure that
you're where God has called youto be, that you have God.
You have Jesus Christ pouringinto you so that you can love
your wife through him.

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Because, outside of him.
It's impossible to do that.
It's not possible.
It's just the reality of whatit is.
This system is such as it's asystem that outside of Christ
you will fail.
The enemy knows that which iswhy he set up an alternative
system.
I know this is.
I know that the enemy is like.
I know that's hard.
Let me give you somethingthat's easier.

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She should, as you love her.
She should be loving you back,right she?

Shanea (01:02:53):
should be doing this for you.
You give 100%.

Walter (01:02:54):
She should give 100% All the time.
She should be matching yourenergy.

Shanea (01:03:00):
Right, yeah, she need to match your energy.
She need to match your energy.

Walter (01:03:04):
What you bringing to the table.
No, what she bring to the tableExactly what she doing Right.
And that's not God, oh man, andit's bad.
That's not God.
And once again, it's not to saythat it's okay for women to do
stuff themselves, because youstill have to answer to God too.

Shanea (01:03:19):
No, but you have to place yourself under subjection
of your husband.
That is being submissive.
It's allowing him to go to God,to come back to you and say,
hey, this is not right.

Walter (01:03:31):
But submission is not control.
No, because just as much as yousubject yourself to your
husband, your husband, not onlydoes he subject himself to God,
but he also subjects himself toyou.

Shanea (01:03:43):
Right.
So you subjecting yourself toyour husband?
Isn't your husband notsubjecting himself to Jesus?
The leadership of Jesus Christ?
If he's not under theleadership of Jesus Christ,
first of all, you shouldn't bewith him.
No, if you are, you might wantto pray.

Walter (01:03:59):
That's the only thing we would tell you If you are, you
might want to pray.
That's why you need to bemindful of who you marry and
know that they're where God hascalled you to be and know that
he has an actual relationshipwith God.
So, to those that are single,don't rush this.
Do not rush this because youwill mess yourself up.

Shanea (01:04:15):
You will mess yourself up, you will mess your kids up,
you will mess generations aftergeneration, after generation.

Walter (01:04:20):
Because God is not about controlling you which is why we
talked about God beingpro-choice.
There's a lot of things goingon, even politically, that we
listen to, and I know what Godhas said about it and he ain't
in it.

Shanea (01:04:33):
No because he don't care which way you decide to choose.

Walter (01:04:37):
No as long as it's we are ambassadors, we are kingdom
citizens, so we don't putourselves on either side of
anything.
No, the biggest thing is rightis right, wrong is wrong.

Shanea (01:04:49):
Yet at the end of the day, he still gives you a choice
to choose right and you shouldgive other people the choice to
choose what they want to do withtheir lives because, just like
everyone else in the Bible has astory, paul was Saul before he
was Paul he was a murderer.
Literally.
So imagine, imagine, imagine.
You know, just killing him wewouldn't even have what we have.

Walter (01:05:11):
Prime example and the kids listen to her all the time.
Jenny Weaver, jenny Weaver, sheused to deal with.

Shanea (01:05:18):
Yeah, she used to be a witch or did witchcraft and
stuff New age witchcraft andeverything, but she's now a
powerful woman of God.

Walter (01:05:24):
Yeah, imagine if she would have been judged and like
oh, do this to stone her, dothis no.

Shanea (01:05:30):
Yeah, and there's plenty of people who were warlocks,
who were witches, who were allthese horrible things prior to
them, their relationship withGod, and now they've brought so
many people into the faith,they've brought so many people
closer to Jesus.
And so we can't sit here andsay, oh, you know, these people
are bad because they want, theywant these children, they want,

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they want to, they're, they'refor abortions and it's just like
so what are?
So?
What if they're all with that?
What does that have to do withyou?

Walter (01:05:59):
you meet them where you meet them where they are.

Shanea (01:06:01):
You teach them the love of jesus.
That's what jesus, becausejesus is right there in that, in
that room, when that lady ishaving that abortion, she's
right there, he's right there inthat room and they need to
experience the love of christ.

Walter (01:06:13):
That's what brings change.

Shanea (01:06:14):
That's what brings people away from the church is
that they're not accepting like.

Walter (01:06:18):
Jesus is Now accepting does not mean that you co-sign
on what they do.
No, you can tell them, no, thisisn't right what you're doing.
But you know what God loves youso much that he's going to let
you make the decision.

Shanea (01:06:30):
Right, so you make the decision.
Now there's consequences.
Of course.
And then there's consequences,of course.

Walter (01:06:42):
To every decision we make, there's always
consequences there'sconsequences, just like when
jesus went right, when the richman went to jesus and was like,
hey, what can I do?
But at the end of the day, it'sstill a situation where god is
about allowing people to make adecision.
Yeah, he's not.

Shanea (01:06:50):
He's not a dictator, he's not so moving in a way that
dictates whether people shouldand should not do things.
We're not to judge.

Walter (01:06:58):
No, especially as believers, especially as
believers, we're not to judge.
We're not to judge.

Shanea (01:07:04):
We should not enforce rules that affect people's lives
?

Walter (01:07:08):
No, we shouldn't, because that's not God.
No, it's not God, that's notGod.

Shanea (01:07:12):
We teach them what's right and what's wrong.
And we let them make thedecision and if they choose not
to, we let them make thatdecision.
Just like when you do things,you choose to make the decision
whether or not you're going togo to heaven, whether you're
going to hell, whether you'regoing to serve the kingdom of
God or whether you're going toserve the kingdom of darkness.

Walter (01:07:27):
Yeah.
So I will say I agree with that.

Shanea (01:07:30):
That's love, that's real , and it's not easy.

Walter (01:07:33):
No, and it's not easy, and I wanted to read this and
then we went over.
So 1 Corinthians 13, 4.
Love is patient and kind Loveis not jealous or boastful or
proud or rude.
It does not demand its own way,it is not irritable and it keeps
no record of being wrong.
It does not rejoice aboutinjustice, but rejoices whenever

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the truth wins out.
Love never gives up, neverloses faith, is always hopeful
and endures through everycircumstance.
So here's what I would say inall regards to everything the

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greatest thing you can do foranybody is lead them to Christ
and allow Christ to do the workin them.
Yeah, Whatever it is they maybe struggling with whether it's
addiction whether it's theissues that are plaguing us, our
society.
Now the best thing you can dofor them is lead them to Christ
and allow them to develop arelationship with Christ.
And as they develop theirrelationship with Christ, christ

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will begin to remove all ofthose things out of them.
That is not of him, but hetells us to come to him as we
are.
And a lot of times, matter offact, christ says come to me as
you are.
Religion says you're not goodenough.
Right.
Christ says come to me as youare.
Religion says you are not goodenough.
You're not good enough, right?
Christ says come to me as youare.
Religion says you are not good,you're not good enough.

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It's like a club christ,surrounded him with what people
consider the rejects of societyhe did.

Shanea (01:09:06):
They're like jesus.
Why you got this lady next toyou?
Do you know what she did?
Exactly he's like, but sheloves me more than you do.

Walter (01:09:13):
And she needs me because she's sick, she needs me.
She needs me.
So the church.
Once again, truth be told theypersecuted Christ.
Yeah.
He went to the world, hesurrounded himself with
imperfect people.
Yeah.
And as they walked with him,they learned to do life through

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his power and through hisstrength.
And that is the gospel.
The gospel is knowing that youare imperfect, but in him you
find everything you need, to befree of everything else.

Shanea (01:09:46):
And you never go back.

Walter (01:09:48):
And you never go back.
But this is how you bring forthchange.
Outside of that, change won'thappen.
You can judge as much as youwant to.
You can criticize as much asyou want to.
You can judge as much as youwant to.
You can criticize as much asyou want to.
You can down as much as youwant to.
It's not going to changeanything.
The only being that can change,that is the power of Christ,
the power of Jesus Christ.

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The power of Jesus Christ, thelove of Jesus Christ the love,
not religion, but the love ofJesus Christ.
The love is what brings forthchange.
That's how we would, that'swhat I would say.
So, babies, anything else youwant to add?

Shanea (01:10:31):
No, because I don't want to go over.
We already went over.

Walter (01:10:35):
But thank you everyone for tuning in this week.

Shanea (01:10:37):
Yeah thank you guys.

Walter (01:10:39):
We pray that this has been a blessing to you.

Shanea (01:10:41):
Yeah.

Walter (01:10:42):
And yeah, I think that's it.

Shanea (01:10:46):
Oh, is this the new year ?

Walter (01:10:48):
It is Happy.

Shanea (01:10:49):
New Year, happy New.

Walter (01:10:50):
Year, so yeah, yeah, this is the first episode we're
posting.

Shanea (01:10:54):
Yeah, in 2025.

Walter (01:10:57):
Right, yeah, I think so.
Yeah, OK, cool.
Well, Happy New Year everyone.
We pray.
This is a blessing.
We look forward to continuingthis journey with you and we'll
see you next week.

Shanea (01:11:08):
All right Peace.