The Spirit Realm

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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in
Faith, where together we explorethe importance of having a
relationship with God and howthat relationship with God can
impact the relationship you havewith others.
I'm your host, Walter.
I'm joined here alongside mylovely wife.

Speaker 6 (00:15):
Shanea.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
And I just closed out my notes.
But uh this is episode four.
We could hear that.
This is episode four.
Um episode four, right?

Speaker 8 (00:34):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Okay.
So the way we like to startthis out is in prayer.
I believe I prayed last week.
So it's my wife's turn to praythis week.
To God be the glory.
Would you like to open us up inprayer?
To God be the glory.

Speaker 8 (00:54):
Father God, we thank you for this day.
We thank you for your love,your grace, and your mercy.
Father God, we ask that youwill allow your spirit to speak
through us to those who arewatching, those who are
listening, and that you willopen up their ears and their
eyes to hear and receive what itis that you are saying.
In the mighty name of Jesus, wepray.

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Amen.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Amen.
All right.
Um, what is the title of thisweek's episode, babe?

Speaker 8 (01:28):
Spirit realm?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Why do you say it like that?

Speaker 8 (01:31):
I'm guessing, because it says episode title, but you
never told me what it was, soI'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
It is the spirit realm.

unknown (01:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
So um I was nervous about discussing the spirit
realm.
Because um, and this is heavyto hold like this.
I don't know how Taylor doesthis.
It's really heavy.
But um I was nervous aboutdiscussing the spirit realm

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because it's such a vastsubject, you know.
Um, but it was a revelationthat God gave me, and I'm going
to read the revelation exactlyhow God gave it to me.
Let me go back to my notes.
And what he said to me is thatthere are different realms of
the spirit or differentlocations, like IP addresses.

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As you access these differentrealms, they unlock the ability
to operate within the realm ofthe spirit, which includes
healing, deliverance, prophecy,wisdom, favor, etc.
The issue with many of us is weattempt to operate in these
gifts outside of these realms,which is illegal.
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 8 (02:45):
Uh, I mean, I I agree.
I don't disagree.
I believe that, you know, Godis spirit and truth, and you
can't access the spirit withouthim legally, um, without
consequences.
That's when you start gettinginto divination and all those
other things.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah.
I think uh it was really.
I was thinking about how whenyou look at different churches
or even just in general, andwe've been there too, whether
you're trying to pray throughsomething or whatever, and it
seems very difficult.
But I know this with churches,for example, if they're going

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through deliverance or they'retrying to pray through
deliverance or whatever it mayhave you, I always wonder why it
was such a complication forthem to go through it, where
it's like, come out, come out,come out, come out, come out.
And you're consistently doingthis, but nothing's happening.
But when we see Jesus, when westudy the scriptures and you
study the gospels, he would justspeak to it.

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He wasn't screaming, he wasn'thollering, it was nothing.
He would just tell him, comeout.
It he didn't go through a wholesession.
Or we even see with the apostlePaul, same thing.
Why are you laughing?
Am I jumping ahead?
He would say, like with thegirl that was bothering him, he
told the demon in that girl, herebuked it, and cast the demon

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out of the girl.
The Bible doesn't say that hespent an hour trying to get that
demon to leave.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
And so when I was in prayer, God was just dealing
with me about the importance ofatmospheres or different realms
of the spirit, which allows youto flow more freely in that
particular area.

Speaker 6 (04:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
What do you think?

Speaker 6 (04:35):
Why are you asking me what I think?

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Because you have a lot of uh knowledge and wisdom.

Speaker 8 (04:43):
Um, I'm not disagreeing.
I believe that there are placesin the spirit, um, or there are
um how can I put this?
Like portals or they're notgonna like that.
Portals or atmospheres.

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Or we could say portals,atmospheres, it's kind of like
the same thing.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (05:09):
Um, where you can automatically get healing, you
can automatically getrevelation, you can
automatically get wisdom or onsomething, depending on where
you are.
Almost kind of like insuperhero movies, you know,
where they go to a particularplace to get a revelation, or
they have to go here to getthis.
And so, like a lot of timeswhen us Westerners go over to

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Africa, um, things that youexperienced there, you wouldn't
experience here because it's adifferent, it's a different
atmosphere.
There's different portals thatwere open.
There were different altars,just like in the Bible, where um
who was it?
Who was it?
Who was it?
Who was it?
Who was it?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
You're talking about Jacob?
I guess you could that is awhen he uh wrestled with the
angel of the Lord?

Speaker 8 (05:58):
No, like Jacob's ladder or um that came from
that.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Or um because he built an altar at that area.

Speaker 8 (06:08):
Or who it was someone else who built an altar um in
an area that their father hadgone to.
I don't remember, but um, and Ican see the scripture in my
head, but it's not coming tofruition right now.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
We'll come back to it.

Speaker 8 (06:23):
It's not coming to the forefront.
But anywho, you would you wouldmake an altar um in a
particular place.
And those altars are portals,right?
Just like we are a temple, weare an altar to the Lord.
And so I have access to him.
But I can also create an altaror atmosphere or portal that is

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also demonic.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes.
If you're operating from aplace of your soul or your
flesh.
And so I guess the way that wecan start off here, right?
The realm of the spirit isn'tchaos, it's structured.
And like any structure, thereare laws, permissions, and
levels of access.
Every operation in the spiritrequires legitimate entry

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through Jesus Christ, who is theonly door.
Right?
And I think that's what westart at because a lot of times
we try to gain access to thesegift gifts outside of Jesus
Christ.
And then I would go further tosay that sometimes we uh may try
to make it appear as if we'regaining access by way of Jesus,

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but our heart posture isn'tright.
So uh Ephesians 2, 1 through 6.
Let's start there.
And let me pull that up.
Let me see.
I should just pull the Bible upon my phone, but I don't have
much use left on there.

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Ephesians Ephesians 2, verse 1through 6.
So once you were dead becauseof your disobedience and your
many sins, you used to live insin just like the rest of the
world, obeying the devil, thecommander of the powers in the
unseen world.
He is the spirit at work in thehearts of those who refuse to

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obey God.
All of us used to live thatway, following the passions,
passionate desires, andinclinations of our sinful
nature.
By our very nature, we weresubject subject to God's anger
just like anyone else.
But God is so rich in mercy andhe loved us so much that even

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though we were dead because ofour sins, he gave us life when
he raised Christ from the dead.
It is only by God's grace thatyou have been saved.
For he is raised, he has, forhe raised us from the dead along
with Christ and seated us withhim in the heavenly realms
because we are united withChrist Jesus.

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And that's key.
It states that he seated us inthe heavenly realms.
So that points towards the factof understanding that there are
different realms in the spirit,right?

Speaker 8 (09:12):
So And it was Jacob.
It was Jacob and Abraham.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
It was Jacob.

Speaker 8 (09:17):
Yeah, because Abraham was his granddaddy.
And he would just go back tothe same places that Abraham was
before, but he didn't know thatat the time.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
So I knew you was looking for that.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
I was like, it was bugging me, it was bugging me.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
So with that being the case, right?
Ephesians 2, 1 through 6, thisshows us that not only are there
different realms of the spirit,but the only way to access them
is by Jesus Christ.
Right?
That's the only way to accessit is by way through Jesus
Christ.
And so anything else would, andpeople hate when we do this,

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but anything outside of Christwould be then you illegally
accessing the spirit realm.
And a lot of people illegallyaccess the spirit realm.
And you can access the spiritrealm illegally.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Yeah, and I think it's important to know that that
God is the one who created it.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
He is, and the enemy distorts.
So if you're accessing itoutside of Jesus Christ, the
Bible lets us know that JesusChrist is the what?
Stairway.

Speaker 8 (10:20):
Yeah, he's the truth, the way, yeah, and the life.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
And so that's in that's John 14, 6, right?
I am the way, the truth, andthe life.
No one comes to the Fatherexcept through me.
So the only way to access theFather in the Bible also lets us
know that those who worshipGod, Jesus stated this, must
worship him in spirit and intruth.

Speaker 7 (10:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
So by that being the case, if you are accessing or
worshiping God in spirit and intruth, that means you have to
access him through the spirit.
Yes.
And the only way to access himthrough the spirit is by way
through Jesus Christ, becausehe's the key.
So anyone that is is consideredconsidering themselves or
stating to you or believing thatyou're accessing God, yet you

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don't believe in Jesus.
And what I mean by that is youdon't have a revelation of who
Jesus is, you're not talking toGod.

Speaker 8 (11:12):
No, those are in fact familiar spirits.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes.
The Bible lets us know that weI think we touched on that maybe
in the last episode of theepisode before that.
Bow.

Speaker 10 (11:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
You're worshiping something other than God because
the scripture teaches us theonly way to God is by Jesus.
And then I'm jumping ahead.
But Peter talked about whatwhen Jesus asked him, who do you
say I am?
He said, You're the son of God.
In so many words, he knew thatJesus was the savior of this
world.
Right.
He knew that Jesus was the sonof God.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Right.
And I'm paraphrasing.
Don't quote me.
But it was making a point.
Jesus said that you didn'tlearn this on your own.

Speaker 8 (11:52):
Yeah, it's Matthew 16, 15, 17.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
You want me to read that?

Speaker 8 (11:57):
Um I have King James Version.
You want me to read that?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
You can.

Speaker 8 (12:02):
Um, he saith unto them.
No.
Matthew.
Matthew.
Matthew 16.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Nothing against King James Version.

Speaker 8 (12:12):
I like, I like King James Version.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Matthew 16.
And what verse?

Speaker 8 (12:16):
No, I'm a I'm a poet.
Um Matthew 16, 15 through 17.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
This is NLT, and we've been reading the NLT.
It says, Then he asked them,but who do you say I am?
Simon Peter answered, You arethe Messiah, the Son of the
Living God.
Jesus replied, You wereblessed, Simon, son of John,
because my Father in heaven hasrevealed this to you.
You did not learn this from anyhuman being.

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Now I say to you that you arePeter, which means rock, and
upon this rock I will build mychurch, and all the powers of
hell would not conquer it.
And I will give you the keys ofthe kingdom of heaven.
Whatever you forbid on earthwill be forbidden in heaven, and
whatever you permit on earthwill be permitted in heaven.

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We always like to use thisscripture.
Right?
But we forget that key part.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
What key part?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
That Peter had a revelation on who Jesus was, and
the revelation of understandingwho Jesus was was what was what
unlocked that access to thekingdom of heaven.

Speaker 10 (13:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Right?
And so even when we look atsalvation, and we were talking
about this earlier, we confesswith our mouth, right?
But many of us lack arevelation of who Jesus is.
And it's by that revelation ofwho Jesus is that you are saved,
which is why we have people whoare quote unquote Christians,

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but not followers of Christ.
Because if you are a followerof Christ, I should see in you a
conversion and spiritrecognizes spirit.
And the spirit of Christ alwayslooked the same in every single
person, which is a sweetspirit, a calm spirit.
Right?

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So even within the authority,and this is just from what I see
Jesus did, even in Jesus' angerwhen he did what he did, he
still moved from a place ofcalm.

Speaker 6 (14:18):
Yeah.
It's love.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
A place of love.

Speaker 6 (14:21):
Gentleness.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Exactly.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
Kindness.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Exactly.
So that was good.
Let's not get sidetracked.
Anything you want to add, babe?

Speaker 8 (14:31):
No, I mean, we're still in um, we're still in one.
So we're not sidetracking.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
So we talked about this, right?
And I I really want to drivethis point home because it's
really important because we haveum spirituality is at an
all-time high.
And um a lot of people thatstarted off in the faith,
they've moved to becomingspiritualists.
Right.
And it's not necessarily wrongthat there is this desire to

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have access to God who isspirit, but the enemy is
deceiving them in how theyaccess that.

Speaker 6 (15:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
So let's be as clear as we can.
Jesus made this clear, right?

Speaker 6 (15:16):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
In the scripture that I think that is John 14 and 6,
right?

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
He is the key, right?
The access point and thegateway.
Without him, you cannot accessthe Father or the spirit realm
legally.
It is no way possible that youcan legally, key word, legally
access the spirit realm outsideof Jesus Christ.

Speaker 8 (15:46):
People don't like when we use the word legal and
illegal.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
What is the Bible the Bible references, and I'm
sorry, you may not like this,but the Bible talks about the
courts of heaven.
That means that it is a legalsystem.

Speaker 8 (16:03):
Right.
Like God is literally that isset up set in place.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
The Bible refers to God as a just judge.

Speaker 8 (16:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Right?
We know that the kingdom ofheaven is a what?
A kingdom.

Speaker 8 (16:13):
Right.
And Satan is your adversary,your accuser.
He's going to God saying, God,this is what this person is
doing.
Can I do this?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Literally, it is the courts of heaven.
You're going to have to getaround that because if you have
an issue with that, you're goingto, it's going to be
challenging for you to workthrough all of this.

Speaker 10 (16:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Work through all of the legalities of it.
So this is good because this iswhat we were talking about.
I think the revelation came tome yesterday, or maybe the day
before yesterday when I waspraying.
Many of us blame God when wecan't hear him, see him, or feel
him moving in our lives.

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But often it's not that Godisn't speaking, it's that our
heart posture has positioned usoutside the legal realm of
access.
I would say this because wewere listening to something, and
this is just in general, andI'm not going to speak to who it
was.
There are those out here whobelieve that they can get to the

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lowest point in their lives,and um they believe that God was
not there.
I believe that's extremelyselfish.
Um I believe that's wrong.
It's a reflection of you nothaving an understanding of who
God is.
It's a reflection of you youneeding a personal relationship

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with God.
It's also a reflection of youthinking that God serves us when
we serve him.
And what God was really dealingwith me on was just really
teaching me that there has neverbeen a moment in my life that
God has not showed up.
There's been moments in my lifewhen I felt as if I couldn't
see him or hear him, right?

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However, it shifted myperspective to understanding
that in those moments, what isit that I'm doing wrong, or what
is it that I'm not realizing?
Do I not have an understandingof how God moves?
Do I not have an understandingof how God speaks?
Do I not have an understandingof how God operates, his

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timeline, his seasons, theseasons of how he moved, the
timeline of how he moved.
If God has spoken a word, theBible says that God watches over
his word to perform it.
And I'm like, okay, I haven'tseen this happen yet.
Why hasn't this happened yet?
It's not God, it's me.

Speaker 8 (18:41):
Yeah.
And then we still, you know,have to understand that even in
those moments when they're lowor when where when you are in a
low place, it's coming to anunderstanding that God probably
probably warned you before iteven happened.
And you didn't listen.

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And so now you're reaping whatyou either attach yourself to,
or it's just consequences of younot being obedient.
And now you're mad at Godbecause He's not running in to
save you.
But you have to learn a lesson.
And when we go out and dosomething, yes, we will have to

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be the ones to try and figure itout.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (19:25):
But we do that with his guidance.
It's like dang God, I did messup.
It's it's it's admitting that Idid something that got me to
the place that I am.
But a lot of times when peopleare in a in that deep dark
place, they don't takeaccountability for the reasons
why they are there.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 8 (19:47):
And so then they blame God instead of going to
God and saying, God, my bad, Igot this wrong.
I know I shouldn't have been inthis place at this time.
I know I shouldn't have beentalking to this person at this
time.
I know that this person wasdoing things wrong.
And I I like I know thishappened to them because of

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their the way that they areliving their lives.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
It's not God, it's you.
Yeah.
And my prayer is that as wediscuss these different things,
that you really receive this.
Uh, the Bible talks about howthe spirit of God joins with
your spirit.
Uh, and that's how you're ableto see God the Father as your
father.
It affirms that.
So we hope that this will hityour spirit that's joined with

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the spirit of God.
Because we have, this is reallykey in order to uh remain in a
place where your heart postureis right.
Because you never want to, andI've been there, right?
We both have, you never want tobe in a position where you're
blaming God because it's almostlike you're creating an idol of

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yourself or that situation, andyou're thinking that you're
better than God without evenrealizing it.
You're positioning yourself inyour life as if you're the God.
Because when we blame God orwhen we approach it from that
perspective, it's really justlike we're saying, God, you're
supposed to serve me and you'renot serving me.

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So you're not being a good Godbecause you're not serving me.
You're not being a good fatherbecause you're not serving me.
Right?

Speaker 10 (21:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Because you're not moving when I say you should
move.
And this is a reflectionbecause you want to be in
charge.
Exactly.

Speaker 8 (21:42):
You want to be in control.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
And this is the challenge within our society as
a whole, especially specificallyin America.
We are looking for a God.
We are looking for a Jesus thatserves us.
And that's just not biblical.
The Bible says that we are tolay down our lives, pick up our

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crosses, and follow Christ.
So, what that tells me is thatChrist don't serve us, we serve
Christ.
It's as simple as that.

Speaker 10 (22:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Got carried away.
So this is really good.
When our hearts are misaligned,the signal, because we talked
about IP addresses, etc.

Speaker 8 (22:31):
Baby, where are you reading from?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Are you reading?

Speaker 8 (22:36):
Because you gave me an outline that I I'm I'm not
following.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I thought I yes, I am.
Um this is actually what I textyou.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
The last text message you got me?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yes.
This is.
Uh the document, baby.

Speaker 8 (22:56):
Yeah, the spare realm.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Podcast outline updated.

Speaker 8 (22:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
That's what I'm reading from.
I'm still in segment two?
No, I'm in segment one.
Still.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
Oh, well.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'm in the last point in segment one of accessing the
realms of the spirit.
You're not seeing what I'mseeing?

Speaker 9 (23:20):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Are you serious?

Speaker 9 (23:22):
I'm very serious.
Sorry, guys.
Just trying to get on the samepage.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
You gotta catch this by the spirit.
Alright, I will send you what Ihave.

Speaker 8 (23:35):
You said me the wrong thing, huh?

Speaker 2 (23:36):
No, this is what I'm using.
I didn't.
This is what I've been using.
Let me see.
Hey, just bear with us for asecond, everyone.
Yep, this is what I'm using.
Now, um as I'm speaking, right?
If you pull up, pull up whatyou have in on your text message

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that I sent you, you will seewhat I see.
Right?
Cause I'm I'm now my it'sfreezing because I'm trying to
upload something.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
No, but go ahead.
Go ahead, babe.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
So the final point, if you look at segment one,
accessing the spirit realms,right?
It says when our hearts aremisaligned.
Do you see that?

Speaker (24:24):
No.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Segment one.

Speaker 8 (24:29):
Yes.
I don't there uh segment one.
Oh, I gotcha.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh.

Speaker 8 (24:36):
I gotcha.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
So what was that?
Well, it says Was that usererror?

Speaker 8 (24:42):
It could possibly be.
So then what's the one afterthat?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
That's an additional point within segment one.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
So, okay, we're back in it, everyone.
Uh, we had some technicaldifficulties, but we're we're
moving forward.
So when our hearts aremisaligned, the signal between
us and heaven is disrupted.
Just like an IP addressconnects you to the right
network, Jesus aligns yourspiritual address to the right

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realm, the one authorized foryour calling and function.
What are your thoughts when youhear that?
Because I think of all of thegifts of the spirit.
The Bible lets us know Paultold us that it's the same
spirit that provides all of thedifferent gifts.
And the way that you gainaccess to that said spirit, the
Holy Spirit is what we'rereferring to, or the spirit of

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truth is Jesus.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
So outside of him, now you're trying to access it
from a different route ordifferent path.
And now you're doing you'reyou're delving into the demonic
realm or divination.

Speaker 8 (25:52):
Yeah, I can see that.
Well, how are you tying it tothe IP addresses?
Because my brain is going likeso.
Because you know, you IT, solike I could I could see it in
my head how it would happen,like in the natural, like and
then in the spirit, but likeexplain it.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Okay.
So there's two ways that we canlook at this.
When there's different IPaddresses, right?
You know how you can get caughtup on the dark web, right?
The dark web is still an IPaddress.
You're gaining access toinformation.
Thank you, Holy Spirit.

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So you have let's say you havesomebody that works for the
government, Social SecurityAdministration, or you have
somebody that works for like ATTor whatever.
They have access to people'ssocial security numbers, they
have access to your date ofbirth, they have access to your

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uh your address, your homeaddress, all of these different
things, phone number, email,etc.
All of your personal pertinentinformation, or even your job to
have access to all of thisinformation because you provide
this when you're working, right?
They have legal rights to haveaccess to this.
For example, your job will usethis to send out your checks.

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Your job will use this to sendout your W-2 forms, your job
will use this to uh set yourbenefit packages up, et cetera,
right?

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
They have legal access.
Now, that system is hacked,right?
People gain all this access tothis illegal stuff, right?
You still can gain or you couldaccess those things illegally
via like the dark web orsomething like that.
You don't have the legal rightsto have access to this.
You can use that information,you gain access to for whatever

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you want to use it for.
Right?
Um that's an example.

unknown (27:53):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Both parties gain access.
One has access to it legally,but their heart posture is right
in how they have access to it.
They're using that informationto aid you.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
The other party is using that information to take
away or gain something on you.
So even when we think about thedemonic realm, in many cases,
even when people think thattheir heart posture is right,
oh, I'm a good witch or whateverthe case may be, there's no
such thing.
There's a reason why you wantaccess to this power that's not
pure.
There's a reason why you wantto do the things that you want

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to do, whether it's gaining uhgaining one up in something, or
you want a better career, youwant to have more power over a
person, or you want a person tolike you a particular way, or
you want leverage over somethingor someone, same thing.
Whereas when you are a followerof Christ, your only reason for

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going through all of this,first of all and foremost, you
want a closer relationship withJesus Christ.
And you submit your life toJesus Christ and you follow him.
So you go where he tells you togo and you do what he tells you
to do, right?
It's not necessarily about thegifts, it's about the
relationship.

Speaker 10 (29:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
With the disciples, it was not about the gifts, it
was about the relationship.

Speaker 10 (29:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
So yeah.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 10 (29:12):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay.
So I see what you did.
Ephesians 2 and 6.
Do you want to read that?
Actually, we already read that.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
We read 2 and 6, and that's digging into it again,
right?

Speaker 6 (29:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Um, the reason it brought 2 and 6 up, because it
talked about heavenly places inChrist Jesus.
And so it said heavenly places,which it suggests multiple
realms or dimensions in thespirit.

Speaker 8 (29:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Right?
Um, I think it's true.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
It's heavenly places.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Go ahead.
No, I'm just because you evenwhen you think of the Garden of
Eden, people think the Garden ofEden is here on earth, it's
not.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
Right.
Or Mount Zion.
It's a heavenly place.
It's a heaven place.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's a realm in the spirit that they existed in.
Right?
They were meant to rule.
From that realm.
We were meant to rule from thatrealm.
But we were kicked out of thegarden because we sinned.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Right.
And if you sin, even with withwith Satan, right?
Lucifer, he was kicked out ofheaven because of his sin.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
You can't sit in heaven and be in that space of
sin or whatever may have you,right?
Yeah.
Because it's holy.
God is holy.

Speaker 8 (30:26):
And he's gonna kick you out.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Exactly.
So the thing is, and we'regonna drive this point home as
much as we can.
Believers are legally seatedwith Christ.
Access is granted through unionwith him, not independent
effort.
One of the key things that wehave to remember with the

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disciples, they did life withJesus.
They did life with Jesus foryears, three years.
They did life with him.

Speaker 10 (30:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Right?
They walked with him, theywalked away from everything that
they had before, whatever theirown goals and aspirations were,
they left that behind and theydid life with Jesus.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
I think that is so important.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
That we understand the importance of doing life.
That when you give your life toGod, while there's all of these
things that God has alreadyplaced in you, it takes doing
life with Jesus that begin toopen the door for you to access
those different realms and gainan understanding of atmospheres

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and gain an understanding ofoperating within these different
atmospheres or these differentrealms.
Right?
Right.
That revelatory gift that Godhas given to me, it took time to
access that.
And then there's still levelswithin that revelatory gift that
the more I do life, the more Ispend time, he reveals
revelations to me.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
That I wouldn't be able to figure out on my own.
Well, you have to add to that.

Speaker 8 (31:59):
I don't.
I had a thought, but it left.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Okay.
So Revelations 4 and 1.
After this, I looked and belowbehold, a door was opened in
heaven.
Right?
So when we think of that door,this is just another example in
scripture because people belike, where's the scripture in
New Testament?
Da da da da.
That's another example of adoor being opened, a different
realm of the spirit being openfor John, right?

Speaker 10 (32:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
So I think the key for this is this right here.
And this is why I struggle withwith men sometimes.
You can't just enter.
The door has to be opened foryou by God.
That's my struggle.
I love my brothers and mysisters in the faith.

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That's my my that's where Ikind of struggle with
activations.
Because as a man, you can'tgive me anything.

Speaker 10 (32:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
You can't I don't believe that you can.
Right?
And they use Elijah and Elisha,yet Elisha, I mean Elijah still
had to submit that unto God.

Speaker 8 (33:14):
What do you mean by activations?

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Um like you praying over me and being able to give
me a gift of something.

Speaker 8 (33:22):
You mean like impartation?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Impartation, yes.
Impartation.

Speaker 8 (33:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
I struggle with that because from what I've read in
the scripture, um, it's by wayof the Holy Spirit, right?

Speaker 8 (33:37):
Yeah, and I believe that um, I don't believe it's
impartation necessarily or perse.
I believe that, you know, likeI said, we are temples, we are
an altar.
Um, but we when we go places wecreate, we have our own
atmospheres that we create.
And if I've already created anatmosphere on an altar that is
sweet smelling and pleasant tothe Lord and you're constantly

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around me, it's naturally kindof just gonna rub off on you,
right?
You're gonna have access tothat because I have access to it
and you're in close proximitywith me.
And so then it becomes familiarto you, and then you start to
learn my ways um which help formyour um, I guess, relationship

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with the Lord.
And so I So I don't think it'snecessarily like I have I'm
imparting things in you, but theclose proximity of you being
with that person can give youlike a taste of that particular
atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
But it's not the same thing as, and this is so like
me laying, for example, me, andI'm not knocking in, I'm just
saying, because we have theseconversations.
Me laying my hands on you andsaying, as I lay my hands on
you, I'm imparting somethinginside you, a gift or whatever
the case may be.
I'm opening this door for youto access this said gift.

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Yeah, that's my struggle.

Speaker 8 (35:07):
Not God said you this is what you need to have.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Not God said, hey, he's you, he, he, he's, I've
become this vessel, right?
And it's I'm not doinganything, it's God doing it.
Right.
But when I lay my hand on you,this is what's God said, is this
is it's it's it's the wording,it's being mindful, it's being
it's understanding that I getback to this because we hear

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people talk about our spirit andwhat our spirit can do, and our
spirit this and our spiritthat.
I'm like, we have to be reallycareful because you treading
that line of divination.
I can't do anything outside ofthe Holy Spirit.
I can't.
It's impossible.
It's only by I can, but it'sdivination.
Yes, it's divination.
It still doesn't tap into whoJesus is.

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Because Jesus, the Bible saysthat that there will come a
time, right, where every tonguewill uh well, every knee will
bow and every tongue willconfess that Jesus is Lord.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Right?
Meaning that there is nonegreater than Jesus outside of
God the Father.
So my thing is, I agree withyou, that is true, and that
happens a lot.
Yet there's a differencebetween that and me coming and
saying that I can impartsomething in you.
I have to be careful because Ican't impart anything in you.
I can be uh made available, butI can make myself available to

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the Holy Spirit to do somethingfor you.
Like I walk with you through aprocess, but it was not my
doing.

Speaker 7 (36:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
It was me being obedient to the Holy Spirit, and
it was me making myselfavailable to the Holy Spirit,
making myself available toJesus, to God, to work through
me to get something through you.

Speaker 8 (36:45):
Yeah.
Well, a lot of people use thethe Elijah and Elisha as far as
impartation.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
But that wasn't Elijah's spirit, that was the
Holy Spirit.
That was God's doing.
And even if you want to say itwas his mantle, yeah, and no,
there was a mantle on Elijah,right?
But it was still the HolySpirit.

Speaker 8 (37:08):
Yeah, well, it was God ordered.
God said, Hey, pass this on toElijah.
He's going to finish the workI've called you to do.
And if he don't do it, thenthis person's gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Exactly.
That's what it was becauseElijah was tired.
He was scared.

Speaker 9 (37:27):
He was also tired.
He was like exhausted.
He was like, I'm done.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (37:31):
You've used me too much.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
So I don't know how long we've been going, but um,
we we we getting somewhere.
So um let's see.

Speaker 5 (37:44):
No, I guess we should have a timer.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Do you see what time is on there?

Speaker 8 (37:50):
Nope, there's a bunch of numbers on there.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Uh go ahead, you talk, I'll see.

Speaker 8 (37:55):
I don't know where we at.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
We've been going for 41 minutes.

Speaker 9 (38:02):
Okay.
Well, this is definitely gonnabe a part two.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Most likely.
41 minutes would put us when wetry to be mindful of your time,
everyone.
We don't want to have you herefor two hours.
We know we could, but we don'twant to.
Um, so we've got about 20 moreminutes.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
And I'm hungry.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I know you are.
So uh let's look at 1Corinthians 2 and 10.
Do you want to pull that up andread that?

Speaker 8 (38:26):
First Corinthians.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
And we're in uh we're still in part segment one.

Speaker 8 (38:31):
First Corinthians, you said two.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Two and ten, yes.

Speaker 8 (38:34):
Two verse ten.
But it was to us that Godrevealed these things by his
spirit, for his spirit searchesout everything and shows us
God's deep deep secrets.
No one can know a person'sthoughts except that person's
own spirit, and no one can knowGod's thoughts except God's own

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spirit, and we have receivedGod's spirit, not the world's
spirit, so we can know thewonderful things God has freely
given us.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Okay.
So, right?
Looking at that, what that issaying to us is that the spirit
gives access to the depths ofGod.
Distinct spiritual levels ofrevelation and function.
Revelation of who God is,understanding who God is, it
comes by way of the spirit.
We talked about this before,and I stand on this, and some

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people may not agree with it.
I don't think that you shouldbe trying to dig in the word
void of the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 8 (39:39):
Yeah, well, I mean, if you continue on, it says Paul
says, when we tell you thesethings, we do not use words that
come from human wisdom.
Instead, we speak words givento us by the spirit, using the
spirit's words to explainspiritual truths.
But people who aren't spiritualcan't receive these truths from

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God's Spirit.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Exactly.
It's only by way of the Spiritthat you can access this.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
It all sounds foolish to them and they cannot
understand it.
For those who are spiritual canunderstand what the spirit
means.
Those who are spiritual canevaluate all things, but they
themselves cannot be evaluatedby others.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Because they're spiritual.

Speaker 8 (40:23):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
You're not going to have to be able to do that.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
For you can't know God's thoughts without God's
spirit.
He says, Who can know theLord's thoughts?
Who knows enough to teach him?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I'm trying to, who was that that Jesus was speaking
to?
Nicodemus?
Nicodemus, possibly.

Speaker 8 (40:40):
When you're talking about the birth?

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Yes, he was speaking to Nicodemus.
And he was, he was explainingthe same thing, right?
The same thing Paul was saying.
He was telling Nicodemus,you're not able to understand
things of the spirit.

Speaker 8 (40:51):
Yeah.
He's like, how can I go backinto my mother's womb when I'm
already a human?
I'm already a grown, I'm agrown man.
How am I gonna crawl back intomy mom's womb?

Speaker 2 (40:59):
And Jesus, I'm paraphrasing, like, bruh, I
can't explain this to youbecause you're trying to
understand this with yournatural mind.
You can't understand things ofthe spirit, that things that are
birthed by the spirit, youcan't understand that.
That's what he was saying.
And it's it's just the realityof what it is.
And so there's a lot of thingsthat God has given to us that
the only reason I'm able tounderstand it is by way of the

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spirit.
Outside of that, I wouldn'tknow what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Right.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
And we talk about this all the time.
We won't say no names, butwe're just going to call it what
it is.
People go to places and theylisten to leaders who give you
scripture and read the Bible,and it sounds so good.
But if you know who Jesus isand you have experienced the
power of Christ, and you haveexperienced the revelations that

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can be unlocked, you recognizethat they're not saying anything
at all.
At most, they're just quotingscripture.
And making it soundcompassionate.
But it's not saying anythingbecause, and this is why it's
not causing transformation.
True transformation.
I think we've said this so manytimes, and we will continue to

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say it.
True transformation is notbased, for example, on what me
and my wife say.
No, we don't have the power.
True transformation, which iswhy I think of Peter in Acts, it
talks about how when he spoke,he spoke, it was the Holy Spirit
that spoke through him.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
And it said that the words that the Holy Spirit spoke
through him, I'm paraphrasing,it pierced the heart of the men
where they came to Peter andsaid, What must I do to be
saved?

Speaker 8 (42:38):
Right.
So sometimes even when we arespeaking, it's not us speaking.
And then people are like, dang,I that really resonated with
me.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I'm gonna got nothing to do with us.

Speaker 8 (42:48):
But it doesn't have anything to do with the No, it
don't.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
It has nothing to do with us at all.
We don't listen.
Some things that we be saying,we'd be like, oh.

Speaker 9 (42:57):
Like we'll go back and we'll be like I don't even
remember what I said.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (43:00):
I don't know what came out of my mouth.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
So um this is driving back the point with Peter,
right?
Um I think the thing that's soimportant to Peter and what was
coming to me, right, is theexchange that Peter had with
Jesus.
Uh it revealed the importanceof revelation actually coming

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from the Father.
Like, like the spiritual accessbegins with the revelation from
the Father, not human reasoningor human wisdom, right?
Uh Peter's ability to see Jesusfor who he truly was, it came
only by the Spirit, right?
So, in the same way, we can'tdiscern or enter deep realms of

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God apart from the Holy Spiritrevealing them to us.

Speaker 5 (43:49):
Right.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
And it shifts your perspective on when you're
praying, because now you startto understand that as you're
praying, whether you see it ornot, or whether you realize it
or not, especially if you are afollower of Christ, and we have
to make that key distinction.
If you are a follower of Christand you're praying, that um
you're accessing differentrealms without even realizing

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it.
You're going to differentrealms within the spirit.
You're accessing, which is whyor we can say places.
Different places.
And so now you're differentplaces.
Yeah.
So if they want to gettechnical because they're
getting in their feelings.
You gotta give, listen, please.

Speaker 9 (44:29):
We just give context for everybody.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
My prayer is that my prayer is that those that are
drawn to this and listen to thisare spiritually mature.
Right?
Um, we aren't we're not feedingyou milk.
We are in a space where God hasplaced on us to feed you meat.

Speaker 10 (44:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
So this is meat that we're eating.
Okay.
We are followers of Christ.
I'm I'm sure that's there's noneed to explain this.
I'm giving it to you as it wasgiven to me.
Okay.
So um with that being the case,uh now we can dig into segment
two, right?
Uh legal versus illegal.

Speaker 10 (45:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
So we know that there's a legal way to access
the spirit.

Speaker 8 (45:17):
Are we gonna uh is this gonna be like a part two
right here?
Or are we going to continue?
Are we gonna give the people atwo-hour episode?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Why are you you moving like you wanna eat?

Speaker 8 (45:29):
No, I'm just I'm just saying.
I'm just saying, that's all.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Uh how long have we been going?

Speaker 8 (45:38):
I feel like we're said we were going for like 40
something minutes.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
But it's it hasn't been that long, right?
It hasn't been um, I think wecan start this, and then when we
move to segment three, segmentfour, segment five, segment six,
and segment seven, that can bepart two.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
So um let's dig into the legal legalities of the
spirit versus illegal.
And there was some stuff youhad to, right?

Speaker 8 (46:08):
Yes, and there's no.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
So, like I was saying, there's a legal and
illegal way to access thespirit.
We know this.
And sometimes people get caughtup on wordplay um and say,
okay, the Bible doesn't say thatspecifically.
Well, I mean, I hate this.

Speaker 8 (46:26):
You gotta put like two and two together.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Like it's common sense, right?

Speaker 8 (46:29):
Like, we're not in kindergarten.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
No, it's critical thinking, like, please.

Speaker 8 (46:33):
Like, also, you need the spirit that too to be able
to connect the dots.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
And I'm not trying to be funny, I'm just like, we get
so caught up in thesetechnicalities.
There's so much the scripturehas that showcases the spirit
realm, it showcases things ofthe spirit, it showcases the
heavenly course.
Yes.
I mean, come on.
Like, in order, like the Biblelets us know in Timothy that the
scripture is inspired by theSpirit of God.

Speaker 10 (47:01):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
So, with that being the case, right?
Um, John 10 and 1 is a goodscripture to read, right?
Do you want to read that?
And I was reading that, andthat was so good as I was
reading through that becauselike certain things just kind of
was highlighted with John 10.

Speaker 8 (47:22):
John 10, verse 1.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Yes.
And this was Jesus speaking,and he was basically giving an
illustration.
He was speaking in a parable.

Speaker 8 (47:30):
Mm-hmm.
The good shepherd and hissheep.
I tell you the truth, anyonewho sneaks over the wall of a
sheepfold rather than goingthrough the gate must surely be
a thief and a robber.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Exactly.

Speaker 8 (47:45):
You know what was coming to me?

unknown (47:46):
What?

Speaker 8 (47:47):
When we were watching um and I don't know.
Did you read this scripturebefore when you were going
through this?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yes, I did.

Speaker 8 (47:55):
Okay, because what we were watching Finding Nemo and
Um the bass, the the big bass orwhatever, was telling um Dory
that when she comes to thesetwo.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
We wasn't watching Finding Nemo.
We have uh five year five.

Speaker 9 (48:16):
No, we with our five-year-old was watching Nemo.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
And we just happened to be uh my wife was heavily
involved in the film.
I was playing by NintendoSwitch, she was heavily involved
in the film.

Speaker 8 (48:34):
Who doesn't like finding Nemo?
You was watching too.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
I was kind I was I was in Animal Books.

Speaker 8 (48:39):
Okay, go ahead.
We don't tell fibs.

unknown (48:41):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
I was kind of watching, she was invested in
Tino.

Speaker 8 (48:45):
Whatever.
Anyway, the bass was telling umDory because they wanted to get
to Sydney to get, you know,Nemo.
And he was they were telling uhDory when they when he comes
when she comes to this uhpathway, um, there it's like a
gate.
It was a gate.
Technically, it was a gate.
I think he said it was a gate.
It was like two pillars or twowalls, and there was a um a

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space to go in the middle.
He said, go through, but do notgo over.
And when she, what is Nemo'sdad's name?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I don't know.
That's how invested I'm now.
I don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (49:26):
But she knew which way to go.
And he was like, no, Dory,we're not gonna go that way.
We're gonna go the way that Iwanna go.
And she was like, No, I reallyfeel like we need to go through
this gate, not over it.
But she couldn't rememberbecause Dory has bad memory, so
she couldn't really reallyremember why she was just

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saying, I I know the verse wasMarlin.
Yes, Marlin the clownfish.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I had to look that up.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
Marlin the clownfish.

Speaker 9 (49:55):
Because he's not really that important, right?
In the story.
He is very important, but he'svery important, but nobody
really I don't know his name.
He's Nemo's dad.

Speaker 8 (50:04):
But Nemo's dad, Marlin, was like, Nope, we're
going over.
We're going over this thisterritory right here.
And as soon as they get over,they're like, oh, this is cool.
Until they realize it was abunch of jellyfish.
And you know, jellyfish havestingers and it will, you know,
unalive them.
And they were like, dang, nowwe have to swim through this

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because we can't go back down.
So we have to go through this,this, this garden or death
valley.

Speaker 9 (50:33):
They're going through a valley of death with these
jellyfish.

Speaker 8 (50:37):
And Dory gets really, really hurt to the point where
she looks like she's gonna,she's gonna pass out, she's
gonna go.
But they had to go, they shouldhave just gone through the
gate.

unknown (50:48):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (50:49):
So what I'm saying is, is that there's an uh
there's a legal way and anillegal way.
And so the illegal way will getyou caught up.

unknown (50:57):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (50:58):
Right?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yes.
Okay.
Since you preach a Nemo, find aNemo.

Speaker 8 (51:03):
Because this is over the wall, a sheepfold, rather
than going through the gate.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah.
And I'm it it's it's the that'swhat kind of stood out to me.
For those who question it, thisis just proof showcasing that
there is an illegal way that youcan go in general, right?
Um there's an illegal way toget into the spirit, but it's
not good.
And I mean, people do it allthe time, Satanists do it,

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people that's a part of theoccult do it, people that's a
part of that that doeswitchcraft, voodoo voodoo,
whatever the case may be, theydo it all the time.
Spiritualists who don'tconsider themselves Satanists or
whatever, they do it.
Uh, there's New Age of whatthey call it now, they do it.
It's interesting to me, and wewe touched on this, I think, in
season one, specifically withChristians.

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Um, and I don't like toidentify as that because it's
it's a derogatory uh name forfollowers of Christ.
They were known as people ofthe way that that uh children of
or uh followers or children ofNazareth, right?
Or Nazaren.
I I don't like Christianbecause it was meant to be an

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insult.
It's like, and we won't getinto the details when people
call themselves the N-word andsay that we turned it into a
good thing.
No, it comes from somethingthat was full of hate.

Speaker 8 (52:25):
Yeah.
So they're like mocking them.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (52:27):
Because they were Christ's followers.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
So when they call them Christians, they were
mocking them.
Um, so we're Christ'sfollowers.
Uh, but the thing is that onlythose who cr who uh profess to
be Christians, they're the onesthat have, specifically in
America, uh, they're the onesthat have issues with
understanding things of thespirit.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
They look at it as being demonic.

Speaker 6 (52:53):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
They believe in the demonic, but they don't believe
in God and angels and all ofthose things.
Right.
Right?

Speaker 8 (52:58):
Which is an agenda in itself.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
It's the enemy keeping.

Speaker 8 (53:02):
But you do not recognize spirit.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Exactly.
So the thing that we have toremember, right, is Jesus is
that door, right?
Anyone trying to accessspiritual power or operate in
spiritual gifts apart from himis functioning illegally, and we
call that divination, right?
And so what came to mind as wewere talking through all of this

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is Acts uh chapter 8, verse 9through 24, right?
And so we're about to get readyto end because I know my wife
is hungry.
I see, I see her looking.
I see her looking.
Acts eight.
She's struggling over there.

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Acts eight, beginning at versenine.
And this is NLT.
A man named Simon had been asorcerer there for many years,
amazing the people of Samariaand claiming to be someone
great.
Everyone from the least to thegreatest often spoke of him as
the great one, the power of God.
They listened closely to himbecause for a long time he had

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astounded them with his magic.
But now the people believedPhilip's message of good news
concerning the kingdom of God inthe name of Jesus Christ.
As a result, many men and womenwere baptized.
Then Simon himself believed andwas baptized.
He began following Philipwherever he went, and he was
amazed by the signs and greatmiracles Philip performed.

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When the apostles in Jerusalemheard that the people of Samaria
had accepted God's message,they sent uh where are we at?
Peter and John there.
As soon as they arrived, theyprayed for these new believers
to receive the Holy Spirit.
That was loud.
Motorcycles.
The Holy Spirit had not yetcome upon any of them, for they

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had only been baptized in thename of the Lord Jesus.
Then Peter and John laid theirhands upon these believers, and
they received the Holy Spirit.
When Simon saw that the Spiritwas given, when the apostles
laid their hands on the people,he offered them money to buy the
this power.
Let me have this power too, heexclaimed, so that when I lay my

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hands on people, they willreceive the Holy Spirit.
But Peter replied, May yourmoney be destroyed with you for
thinking God's gift can bebrought.
You can have no part in this,for your heart is not right with
God.
Repent of your wickedwickedness and pray to the Lord,
perhaps he will forgive you ofyour evil thoughts.
For I can see that you are fullof bitter jealousy and are held

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captive by sin.

Speaker 8 (55:44):
But Simon, Simon, he gave up the sorcery part and he
got baptized because he believedin Jesus.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
But his heart was still wicked.

Speaker 8 (55:53):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Heart posture.

Speaker 8 (55:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
He still was up to the same thing.

Speaker 8 (55:57):
He needed his mind renewed.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Exactly.
So in what I wrote here, um,really just a synopsis is Simon
the sorcerer tried to purchasethe power of the Holy Spirit.
His heart posture was wicked,rooted in jealousy and ambition.
Peter rebuked him, reminded himthat the gifts of God are not

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for sale.
Favor, healing, prophecy,deliverance, and wisdom,
knowledge, whatever we're goingto give into the seven spirits
of God.
All of those things, it's notfor sale, right?
Uh the their outcomes oflegitimate access and divine
relationship.

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These things come by way ofrelationships.
Galatians 5, the fruit of thespirit comes by way of
relationship.
You can't buy that, you can'taccess it illegally.

Speaker 8 (56:58):
Yeah, it only comes from the spirit.
But it doesn't say that Simonreceived the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
I thought it did.
No, yes, it did.

Speaker 7 (57:11):
Where?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Okay, he didn't.
He was baptized.

Speaker 7 (57:15):
He was baptized.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
He won.
No, he wanted to receive theHoly Spirit.

Speaker 8 (57:18):
He wanted to receive the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
But this is also proven, once again, what we
talked about earlier.
That there are those who acceptJesus as their Lord and Savior,
but there's no transformationbecause they haven't believed in
their heart and received,right?
So when you believe in yourheart, I believe But it says he
believed and was baptized.

Speaker 8 (57:42):
And he began to follow, he began to follow
Philip.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Who?

Speaker 8 (57:48):
He began to follow Philip.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
So he didn't have a revelation.

Speaker 8 (57:53):
Right.
He began to follow Philipwherever he went.
And he was amazed by the signsand great miracles Philip
performed.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
I see what you're doing.
I see what you're doing.
I see what you I see whatyou're picking up and putting
down.

Speaker 9 (58:13):
You see what I'm picking up and putting down?
Do they see what I'm picking upand putting down?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I hope they do.

Speaker 9 (58:17):
I hope they do.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Why you do that?
Listen.

Speaker 9 (58:21):
It's not me.

Speaker 8 (58:22):
I'm not doing this.
I didn't get this at all.
This is like my first timereading this, like since we've
been doing this.
Well, like I read this before,but I didn't read this before.
This is not me.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
So the thing is then.

Speaker 8 (58:35):
This is what we were talking about earlier today.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Well, it goes back to what Paul said.
Um, when you're following, Iwould say this.
You have to follow me as I'mfollowing Christ, but you're
following Christ.

Speaker 8 (58:46):
Right.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
You're not following me.

Speaker 8 (58:48):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
You're following Christ.
And even in current times, andI'm gonna leave with what you
did just there.
Even in current times, I'm Ididn't do nothing.
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 9 (58:59):
That was not me.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Listen, father, father, don't do us like Emma.
Do not do us like Emma.

Speaker 9 (59:04):
I know right.
Because look, his okay.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Nope.
Let it go.
Nope.
We're gonna keep that way.
Those that's gonna get it,gonna get it.
Listen, don't idolize anybody.
Please.
Because when you idolizepeople, and the example that my
wife is putting here, that theHoly Spirit gave to her, trying
to put us there, and I don'twant to go there.

Speaker 8 (59:25):
Um I can't stop what the Holy Spirit is putting,
picking up and putting down.
He literally just showed thisto me.
I had no idea that.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
You was you were knee deep in it before I realized,
and then it was like the light.

Speaker 9 (59:40):
You know where I'm going, where I'm going with
this.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (59:43):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
And so what you want to go ahead and finish your
point that the Holy Spirit gaveto you.
What was the point that youwanted to drive home with that?

Speaker 8 (59:51):
That although Simon was, he believed in Jesus and he
was baptized.
He didn't receive the HolySpirit.
Because he was followingPhilip.
He followed Simon himselfbelieved and was baptized.
He began following Philipwherever he went.

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And he was amazed by the signsand great miracles that Philip
performed.
It's just like um, what's thescripture where it says, um, oh
my gosh, where am I drawing ablank right now?
You know where I'm going?

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I don't, but I'll say this.

Speaker 8 (01:00:31):
It's it's still like you believe like you, you, you
don't believe, I don't know.
What am I trying to say?

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I need to.
You're not talking about whenthe scripture, when it talks
about you have a form ofgodliness, yeah, but you deny
the power that actually bringsforth change.

Speaker 8 (01:00:50):
Right.
And so it it's that, but it'slike you don't recognize the
power behind this person who youare so infatuated with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
And then sometimes the person don't even have
power.

Speaker 8 (01:01:02):
No, they don't even have power.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
They have charisma.

Speaker 8 (01:01:05):
Yes.
So with but with with But whatI'm saying is you aren't
recognizing the spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Exactly.
Yeah, I think the thing withSimon, right?
Simon just really went backinto the same thing that he was
doing before.
Because if you read thescripture before, it states
that, right?
And uh, it says that um Hedidn't die to himself.
No, because he was he heenjoyed the fact that people was

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drawn to him because of thepower that it he seemed to have.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Everyone from the verse 10, everyone from the
least to the greatest oftenspoke of him as the great one,
the power of God.
They listened closely to himbecause for a long time he had
astounded them with his magic.
Right.
So that was something that wasappealing and attractive to
Simon, that he had these peoplethat was coming to him with all

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of this attention.
So even when he was, when hequote unquote believed and he
was baptized, there was never arevelation of who Jesus was
because he never let that go.
His reasoning for evenfollowing Philip was not because
of a desire to change, it was adesire to gain an understanding

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of the power that he had.

Speaker 8 (01:02:24):
Right.
But then it's also when peoplewho uh were not believers and
they're like, okay, well, Ibelieve in Jesus now.
I'm gonna get baptized, but Istill want to do what I want to
do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yes.
But you and you have a form ofgodliness.
You kind of do what you sohere's the thing.
You still you find ways inscriptures to justify your
worldview, which shows me youhaven't died to self.

Speaker 8 (01:02:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Or you part of that and part of picking up your
cross and following Christ.

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
Right.
Or you haven't given up, youstill have idols in your heart.
Simon still had an idol.
He had an idol for power, hehad an idol for um uh wanting to
be seen, right?

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
So the question becomes then what draws people
to other men, other men who whomthey in return idolize and they
esteem above God because that'sthe main issue.
They esteem those said men orwomen above God, so they're not

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able to recognize that firstthey're not God, second, they're
imperfect, and then many timesthey don't know God.
The men and women that they'relooking to don't know God
themselves.

Speaker 8 (01:03:46):
Well, Philip here knew God, but Simon was
infatuated with Philip, not withGod.
He wasn't infatuated withthings that God can do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
And this is still the same situation to this day.
We become infatuated with men,whether they know God or whether
they don't know God.

Speaker 8 (01:04:05):
Well, they seem like they know God because they have
this huge following, and theyhave you see these quote-unquote
miracles or you know, thingshappening in a church, and
sometimes it's not even real.
But you're like, oh my gosh, Ihave to go see this man.
Not I have to go see God.
I have to go see this man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I was looking the challenge is this, and I don't
want to get caught up withpeople trying to come for us.
The challenge is this, um,because I don't want unnecessary
warfare, just in general, thisis why we have to have a relate,
this is we encourage you tohave a relationship with Jesus
Christ.
Because in doing so and they'rehaving a huge, full-blown

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conversation outside, talkingloudly.
Some of our neighbors that bewalking by be loud.
Anyhow, and it's not a culturalthing, and I'll leave it at
that.
So you have to learn to have arelationship with Jesus Christ
because when you do, you canlearn to begin to look at things

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and present questions to God,right?
Um, we mistaken signs andwonders that are not signs and
wonders.
But for me, I think thegreatest thing to showcase the
power of God in anybody's lifeis a change life, is a
transformed life where youoperate within the fruit of the

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spirit.
And many times I just have tobe honest.
Like when I come across men andwomen of God who truly have a
relationship with God, um,they're not loud, they're not
screaming, they're not all ofthese things.
They're firm, but there is asweet spirit that is connected
to them.
There's no arrogance there,there's no pride because that

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they're humility, there'shumility there.
Um I can't explain it like Itold you when I met your
godmother.
I recognized the spirit of Godin her.
Never met this woman a day inmy life, didn't know who she was
or what she did or whatever.
But what I told you, I said,yo, I said she has a sweet
spirit about herself.

Speaker 10 (01:06:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I recognize the spirit of God inside her.
The spirit of God, when it'sinside people, right, it
transforms them and itautomatically creates with them,
within them a sweet spirit.

Speaker 8 (01:06:21):
Right.
You see the fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
You see the fruit of the spirit of God at work in
them.

Speaker 8 (01:06:25):
You see God's fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
So we see them.
So we have this.
Here's the thing.
Even with us, I don't know howbig this is going to grow.

Speaker 10 (01:06:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Um, I don't know how many quote unquote people are
going to follow.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
I don't expect many to, right?
I don't expect it to be asituation where we have a
million plus people following usbecause what God is given to us
to teach is not what peoplewant to hear.

Speaker 5 (01:06:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
And it's a remnant that God is coming back for.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
So I think sometimes foolishly we look at numbers.
I'm concerned with numbersbecause my question becomes what
am I doing if we have largenumbers that's making these
large amounts of peoplecomfortable enough to be around
and hear what God has to say?

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Because in many cases, Jesusdid have thousands of people
following him, but he didn'thave millions.
And so what Jesus taught,right?
First and foremost, the churchdespised.
The church despised Jesus.
The world was drawn to him, andthen he had the outsiders of

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the church that always knew,like, we don't fit into this,
that was drawn to Jesus.
So I'm always weary of numbers,and I would say to people that
you have to be weary of numbers.
Because when God is reallyspeaking, we see it time and
time again in the Bible, thepeople really don't want to hear
it.

Speaker 10 (01:08:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
They don't, Jesus said what?
That the road that leads toheaven, the road that leads to
the Father, the road that leadsto him is narrow.

Speaker 6 (01:08:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
And very few people find it.
The road that leads todestruction is wide.

unknown (01:08:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
And so many people are on it.
The challenge within the bodyof Christ is that there is a lot
of people on that road todestruction, and you're deceived
into thinking that they're onthat narrow road when it's right
there in front of the scriptureor right there in the Bible,
letting us know it's not goingto be many people in this road.

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So if you're looking around youand you got millions of people
that's next to you followingyou, ah, ah, I would be mindful
and weary of that.
I would do a heart check.

Speaker 10 (01:09:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Not trying to be funny.
This is scripture.

Speaker 10 (01:09:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
This is Bible.
I'm sorry.
They're not going to bemillions upon millions upon
millions upon millions of peoplethat will make it into heaven.
That's not a remnant.

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
It's going to be a remnant within the church.
God didn't say he's coming backfor a remnant of the world.
Jesus is coming back for aremnant of the church.

Speaker 8 (01:09:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
It's a remnant.

Speaker 8 (01:09:32):
It's a remnant of a remnant.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
It's a remnant of a remnant.
And we have to look at this,especially in America, and we're
getting off context.
I'm going to get ready to go.
But we have to look at this,Shanai.
Babe, it is so popular to be aChristian now.
They wear the they they wearpeople wear the title Christian,
like your favorite pair of Ugboots.

Speaker 7 (01:09:55):
Why they gotta be Ug boots?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
It's an accessory.
Like, yeah, son.
I'm a Christian.
Who?

Speaker 7 (01:10:00):
Why they can't be Crocs?

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
I don't have Crocs.

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
But a lot of people like Crocs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
I don't.
Yeah.
So they they have it like it'syour f I got Uggs though.
Your favorite pair of Uggs.
I don't have them boots thatdon't have, I have the Ug boots
that you tie up.
I'm just saying, you know, weain't around here.
Nothing against anybody, but Iain't I don't do the slide on
the Ug boots.
Nah, nah, nah, nah.
I come from a differentgeneration.

Speaker 9 (01:10:28):
Yeah, I don't like those Ug boots.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
I don't listen.
I ain't gonna say nothing.
I'ma just be quiet.

Speaker 8 (01:10:35):
But they are manly.
They kind of remind me of um.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I don't know.
Those anytime I see those, Ithink of women.
But you're talking about theboots I got?

Speaker 9 (01:10:43):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lugs from back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
But listen, I ain't over here sliding into my boots.

Speaker 9 (01:10:49):
But sliding into your boots.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
I thought about the movie.

Speaker 9 (01:10:54):
What movie?

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
I don't know if I could say it, but puss and
boots.

Speaker 8 (01:10:58):
Oh, puss and boots.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
So I never watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
I did.
But um don't judge me.
So with that on watch findingwell.
With that being the case, um, Iwould say we gotta be real
careful, all jokes aside, andunderstand that things aren't
always what it appeared to be.
And that's why we stress hereon this channel the importance

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of you having your own personaland intimate relationship with
God.
And many times, if you just askGod, he'll tell you.

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
Yeah, because you can like like Simon, he believed in
Jesus, he got baptized, but hedidn't receive the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
I'm gonna give you something and I'm gonna leave
you with this, because we'vebeen going for a little bit.
This and this is something thatGod had us reading last year.
Um if my wife has somethingelse to say, I'm gonna I'm gonna
give the floor over to her.
So we're gonna read this.
I'm reading a Malachi too.
Listen, you priests, thiscommand is for you.

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Listen to me and make up yourminds to honor my name, says the
Lord of heaven's army.
Or I will bring a terriblecurse against you.
I will curse even the blessingsyou receive.
Indeed, I have already cursedthem, because you have not taken
my warning to heart.
I will pern punish yourdescendants and splatter your

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faces with the manure from yourfestival sacrifices, and I will
throw you on the manure pow.
Then at last you will know itwas I who sent you this warning
so that that my covenant withthe Levites can continue, says
the Lord of Heaven's armies.
The purpose of my covenant withthe Levites was to bring life
and peace, and that is what Igave them.

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This required reverence fromthem, and they greatly revered
me and stood in awe of my name.
They passed on to the peoplethe truth.
They passed on to the peoplethe truth of the instructions
they received from me.
They did not lie or cheat, theywalked with me, living good and
righteous lives, and theycontinued and they and they

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turned many from lives of sin.
The words of a priest's lipsshould preserve knowledge of
God, and people should go to himfor instruction, for the priest
is the messenger of the Lord ofheaven's armies.
But you, priest, have leftGod's path.
Your instructions have causedmany to stumble into sin.
You have corrupted the covenantI made with the Levites, says

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the Lord of Heaven's armies.
So I have made you despised andhumiliated in the eyes of all
people, for you have not obeyedme, but have shown favoritism in
the way you carry out myinstructions.
Right?
And so I think this is so key.
Um, one of the things else Iwant to read in this is 17.

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It says that you have weariedthe Lord with your words.
How have we wearied him?
You ask.
So when we look into this, Idon't even know what else to

(01:14:19):
say.
This explains it for itself.
This explains it for itself,eh?

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
There are many out here who are calling things that
are right that are evilrighteous.
There are many out here who arepurposefully um corrupting the
word of the Lord.
Struggling over there.

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
My foot is cramping.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Okay, we're about to get done.
Or be done.
And so I would just say, woe toyou.
I don't know what else to say.
We said a lot there.
Anything from you, babe?
That you want to add, we said alot.

Speaker 8 (01:14:56):
Um, I don't know.
I think I mean we can pick upoff of, you know, I guess in the
next episode, the the legal andillegal the legalities?
Legalities of the operations ofthe episode.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Um yeah, we we're gonna dig into some other stuff
next episode.
I'll try to be remembered.
What's the scripture, babe, um,that I gave you about um, was
it Isaiah?
What was it when it was talkingabout Jesus?

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
It was uh referencing um the um oh my gosh.
It was referencing Jesus it wasa foreshadow in Isaiah.
We talked about it.
And I believe I put it down.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Isaiah 11.

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
Isaiah 11.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Isaiah 11.
11 verse what uh one throughlet me see.
Let me get there.
Because there's this some keyparts that I want people to
read.
This when we all know that whenIsaiah was speaking, he was
referencing Jesus.
He was talking about Jesus.
Um This touches on the sevenspirits of God, but we're gonna

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leave that.
We're gonna move to um versethree.
Uh well, verse one, we'll readthis and then we'll skip.
It says, Out of the stump ofDavid's family will grow a root.
Yes, a new branch bearing fruitfrom the old root.
This is talking about Jesus.
This is a foreshadowing.
Uh, verse three, it states thathe will Okay, I remember now.
Yeah, he would delight inobeying the Lord.

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He would not judge byappearance, nor make a decision
based on hearsay.
So this right here, he woulddelight in obeying the Lord.
He would not judge byappearance nor make a decision
on hearsay.
Racism that shuts that downautomatically.
Everybody out here that statingthat because of your the color
of your skin or whatever, all ofthese things, and they're
claiming to be followers ofChrist, you're wrong.

(01:17:08):
This is Jesus that Isaiah istalking about.
He will give justice to thepoor and make fair decisions for
the exploited.
The earth will shake at theforce of his word, and no one,
and one breath from his mouthwill destroy the wicked.
He will wear righteousness likea belt and truth like an
undergarment.
In that day the wolf and thelamb will live together, the

(01:17:28):
leopard would lie down with thebaby goat, the calf and the
yearling, yearling will be safewith the lion, and the little
children or chow will lead themall.
The cow will gape graze nearthe bear, the cub and the calf
will lie down together, the lionwould eat hay like a cow, we
can go on and on and on.
The baby will play safely nearthe hole of a cobra.

(01:17:49):
Yes, a little child will putits hand in the nest or in a
nest of deadly snakes withoutthe harm.
So this right here, that partdigs into him restoring Eden,
right?
Uh, because prior to the fallof man, and I think we touched
on this possibly before, maybewe dig into some of the stuff a

(01:18:09):
little bit deep.
Um, there was no such thing asa lion taking the life of
another animal and eating it.
All of the animals actuallylived off the vegetation of the
land.

Speaker 8 (01:18:20):
Yeah, murder wasn't a thing in anything.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
And alive in people or animals was not a thing.
Everybody lived off thevegetation of the land, the
fruit of the trees, et cetera,et cetera.

Speaker 8 (01:18:32):
Right.
Everything was there because itwas everything was provided for
us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Exactly.
And we had everything we need,all of the nutrients that we
needed within that.
Now, for those who are nowvegan, I'll just leave that
alone.
But we won't go there.
Anyhow.

Speaker 8 (01:18:47):
We'll talk about talk about it in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
So but the key thing.

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
But because sin entered the world.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
It shifted.

Speaker 8 (01:18:52):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
It shifted everything.
But the key thing I wanted youall to focus on is verse 3
through verse 4.

Speaker 8 (01:18:59):
Yeah.
And the part that stood out tome was nor make a decision based
on hearsay.
So he makes he makes decisionsbased on facts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Truth.

Speaker 8 (01:19:09):
Based on truth.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Because the Bible talks about the spirit of truth.
Jesus talked about uh sendingto us the spirit of truth.
The Holy Spirit is the spiritof truth.

Speaker 8 (01:19:20):
Just because someone says something doesn't make it
true.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
Exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:19:22):
Just because the majority of people say still
does not make it true.
It doesn't make it true.
Okay.
You really have to dig and see,okay, is this really true?
So we're saying before I startfollowing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
So we're saying what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:19:35):
Before I start doing or making a decision.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
When you think about Malachi 2, this ties back to
Malachi 2.
Be weary of those who look atthings that are evil and they
call it righteous and try toconvince you that it's
righteous.
There is a plethora of verses,chapters, whatever per se in the

(01:19:59):
Bible where Jesus lets us knowhis thoughts towards a lot of
things.
And the Bible lets us know hischaracter, right?
You have to look at that andyou have to ask yourself when
you are dealing with thesedifferent scenarios, and you
have these leaders that's tryingto teach you things that are
morally corrupt and it's not ofChrist.
Is it a reflection of thecharacter of who Christ is?

Speaker 10 (01:20:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
This already lets us know, for example, that Christ
cares about the poor and that hemakes fair decisions for the
exploited.
Y'all may not like this, andI'm gonna leave it alone.
I'm gonna just say this.
As of right now, especially inAmerica, one of the greatest
groups of people that's beingexploited is immigration, uh
immigrants.
As of right now.

Speaker (01:20:42):
Foreigners.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
We have the foreigners.
We have the issue we havewithin the African American
community that's always beenthere, right?
But one of the greatest groupsthat's being exploited right now
is those who are um evenAmerican citizens that may not
look uh like others or whateverthe case may be.
You can tell that they'rewhatever, and they're being
snatched up and families arebeing split, and all of these

(01:21:06):
things are taking place.
It's not of God.
And you have leaders justtelling you that it is.

Speaker 8 (01:21:11):
Right.
Or judging by an appearance, Ican't just arrest you because of
the color of your skin.
I cannot just arrest you, or Ican't even um what's the word
I'm looking for?
Profile you, you know.
I can't I can't just I can'tassume that you are who I think
you are based off of myappearance of you.
I need to know facts.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
You can, but you can't do this under the ploy of
stating that you are a followerof Christ.

Speaker 8 (01:21:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
That's my issue.

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
Yes, obviously, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Leave my daddy out of this and leave my Lord and
Savior out of this.

Speaker 6 (01:21:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Because what you're doing, he ain't on the side of.
You can have hate, you can haveall of that stuff.
It's always gonna be there,it's always going to exist.
It's the reality of what it is.
I have an issue when you bringJesus in this.

Speaker 5 (01:22:02):
A Christian.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
When you call yourself a believer, when you
say that you're a follower ofChrist, yet you hate.
Because now, me as a personthat knows and have experienced
Christ, now look at you and say,Now you're playing games, bruh.
Because you don't know mydaddy, and my daddy don't know
you.
You don't know Jesus.
Because if you knew Jesus, it'simpossible for you to hate.

(01:22:25):
If you know Jesus, the thingsthat that are close to his heart
is also going to be close toyours.

Speaker 8 (01:22:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
That's my problem.
I either from a You're gonnacare about humanity.

Speaker 8 (01:22:36):
Exactly.
He literally died on the crossfor us.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
And even and then for those that argue that, oh, what
Jesus was against thePharisees.
Actually, when Jesus, uh, whenJesus uh was on the cross,
right, and they were mockinghim, and we say this all the
time, Jesus looked up to heavenand he said, Father, forgive
them, for they know not whatthey do.
So what you're saying is notbiblical, it's not true, it's

(01:23:01):
not a reflection of thecharacter of Christ.
When you look at Galatians 5,what you're doing is a
reflection of the flesh.
You're moving based off theflesh.
Part of the issues that menhave with women in this struggle
and the fight between the twois because you're still
operating from a fallen state,but you say you've received

(01:23:22):
Christ.
If I receive Christ, and Christis my Lord and Savior, and I've
submitted myself to him andallowed him to do a
transformation, and I have theHoly Spirit now that dwells
within me, I have no problemworking alongside my wife.
I don't see her as someone Icontrol.
I see my wife now as a partner.

(01:23:42):
I see my wife as someone who iscalled to have dominion and
who's called to populate theearth with me, to dwell with me,
to have to rule and all ofthese things, to have authority.
Because God didn't tell it toAdam, He told Adam and Eve to

(01:24:04):
have dominion.
To have dominion and to rule.
So the curse brought about thesituation of the division.
But the question is, why areyou still operating from the
curse if you claim to have theHoly Spirit that dwells in you?

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
When the Bible lets us know what Jesus has come to
do.

Speaker 8 (01:24:24):
Right.
And so that's just going backto Genesis and recognizing, am I
operating in a curse?

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
We got we but we're gonna let it go.

Speaker 8 (01:24:33):
Yeah, but you because you went all the way left.
We weren't even talking aboutlegal stuff no more.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
We was talking about We was getting to some other
stuff that was getting to somebusiness, some some business and
some good, some good stuff.
And I just say that becauseit's is it's really important
that we be careful with who wefollow.

Speaker 9 (01:24:53):
It's a lot of entertainment is this is what we
do on a regular basis.
This is what we talk about.
This is how we this is what wetalk about at home.
We just be going on and on andon.
So welcome.
Welcome to our home.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Exactly.
All right.
So, babe, do you want to endout with anything?

Speaker 8 (01:25:09):
No, we will see you guys next week.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
Yes, whenever that is.
We're gonna do better about ourposting.

Speaker 8 (01:25:15):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's been um, it's been rough,you guys.
Yes, but God is good.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Um we're gonna do better in posting.
But our new post days isThursdays.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
It's the new days that we're gonna be posting.
But uh to God be the glory.
We appreciate you all.
We hope that this has been ablessing to you all.
We've been reading themessages.
We are grateful for you all,and we pray that God continues
the great work that He's doingin your life.
And babe, anything you want tosay?

Speaker 9 (01:25:45):
No, you know what I thought in my head.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
What?

Speaker 9 (01:25:47):
Let's eat.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Okay, she's hungry.
All right, so until next week,and we will finish up this.
That'll be part two to this,and we'll get in all of the
additional stuff.
God bless you.

Speaker 8 (01:25:59):
Have a good one.
Bye.
Bye.

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