The Spirit Realm: Part Two

What if spiritual power isn’t about methods, but about permission? We open up the spirit realm with scripture and personal stories, showing why authority flows from a relationship with Jesus, not from rituals, followers, or hype. From Acts 19’s sons of Sceva to Daniel 10’s delayed angelic messenger, we map out how legitimacy, timing, and jurisdiction shape real breakthroughs and why “power without permission” invites backlash.

We go straight at today’s spiritual counterfeits: Reiki presented as healing, empty affirmations posing as renewal, divination marketed as guidance, and even “Christian” expressions that subtly center self. First Corinthians 12 helps us discern authentic gifts that come from one Spirit. At the same time, Isaiah 11 guides us through the seven Spirits of God: wisdom, understanding, counsel, might, knowledge, fear of the Lord, and the Spirit of the Lord Himself. These operations of the Holy Spirit don’t just inform our faith; they protect us from trading intimacy for imitation.

You’ll also hear a needed correction to a popular myth: Satan wasn’t “heaven’s worship leader.” Scripture paints a picture of a high-ranking cherub who guarded glory, not a choir director. Why does that matter? Because the enemy’s real strategy is mimicry: create the shape of the kingdom without its King. That’s why our focus returns to abiding in Christ. When we move where the Father sends us, evangelism becomes an assignment, authority becomes effortless, and our words carry weight because heaven backs them.

Suppose you’re hungry to move into real authority, navigate spiritual warfare wisely, and recognize counterfeits without becoming cynical. In that case, this conversation will ground you in the Word and lift you into alignment. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs clarity, and leave a review to tell us what challenged you most and what you want us to unpack next.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_07 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in
Faith, where together we explorethe importance of having a
relationship with God and howthat relationship with God can
impact others.
I'm your host, Walter.
I'm joined here alongside mylovely wife.

SPEAKER_00 (00:11):
Shinea.

SPEAKER_07 (00:13):
This is episode five.
Four five?

SPEAKER_02 (00:18):
It's episode five, I think.

SPEAKER_07 (00:19):
You said four, like you were saying four.
This is episode five.
No, you said four.
This is episode five.
This is part two of the spiritrealm.
And so we are going to getstarted.
Baby hungry.

SPEAKER_02 (00:39):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (00:40):
That's why you're silly.

SPEAKER_02 (00:42):
I am hungry.

SPEAKER_07 (00:43):
Okay.
So um my wife prayed last time.
Please excuse my wife if she'sgiddly or whatever.
When she's hungry, this is whathappens.
Welcome to my life.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03):
Right?

SPEAKER_07 (01:05):
Is it hangry?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06):
Yes, it's hangry.

unknown (01:09):
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (01:10):
So I will open us up in prayer.
Father God, we thank you forthis day.
We thank you for your love, yourmercy, your grace.
We thank you for your kindness.
We submit and surrender to you.
Holy Spirit, we welcome you intothis home.
We welcome you.
We welcome your presence.
We pray that we will be led byyou in all that we do.

(01:31):
Speak through us.
Make yourself known.
Lord Jesus, we submit to you.
We welcome you.
Allow your presence to flowthroughout this space.
Allow this podcast to reachthose that you've called for it
to reach.
We decrease, asking that youwould increase in us.
We take backstage, asking thatyou would take center stage.
We give you the glory, thepraise, and the honor encounter

(01:53):
done even now in the name ofJesus, we pray.
Amen.
What you got to say?
You thought something in me.
Yes, you did.
So where did we well, where didwe leave off last week?

SPEAKER_03 (02:14):
You kind of went on a tangent when I was talking
about um We were talking aboutuh is it Simon?
Simon Sorcerer and Philip.

SPEAKER_07 (02:22):
You went on a tangent.

SPEAKER_03 (02:24):
I did not.

SPEAKER_07 (02:25):
You did too.
The Holy Spirit went on atangent.
Don't put me in that.
Don't put me in that.

SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Look.

SPEAKER_07 (02:33):
Talking about Simon and Philip.

SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
Simon, right?
Simon and Simon and Sonic.

SPEAKER_07 (02:36):
I was talking about Philip, yes.
But anyway.

SPEAKER_01 (02:40):
No, was it Simon?
Or who was it?
Who were we talking about?

SPEAKER_07 (02:42):
It was Simon and Philip.
It was Simon.
Um Simon the Sorcerer followingPhilip instead of following
Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
Yeah, and Peter rebuked him.

SPEAKER_07 (02:50):
Yeah.
And you were talking about howwe have to be careful.
Because a lot of us I wastalking about it.
Well, you went to a place thatyou was not expecting to go.
Oh.
I thought you were talking aboutit.
Did I?
We both were.

SPEAKER_03 (03:06):
No, I mean I read this scripture and then like you
were like, whoa, I got arevelation.

SPEAKER_07 (03:11):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
For those who may have not heardlast week's episode, go back and
you will see who got therevelation.
My wife did.
I I realized where you weregoing and I was like, eh.

SPEAKER_03 (03:26):
It wasn't me.

SPEAKER_07 (03:27):
I was trying to, it wasn't you, but still I realized
where you were being taken, andI didn't want to have an Emma
situation because people be outhere worshiping men.
So I don't want us to have todeal with any unnecessary
warfare because people worshipmen.

SPEAKER_03 (03:43):
For those who don't know who Emma is, Emma's Emma
Stark.
She's a prophet over there inScotland.

SPEAKER_07 (03:48):
Isn't it Scotland or Ireland?

SPEAKER_03 (03:50):
I think it's Scotland.

SPEAKER_07 (03:51):
It may be Scotland, but she's Irish, right?
Or is she I don't know.
Okay.
That beep.
Don't know why that beeped.

SPEAKER_03 (04:01):
That's what it is.

SPEAKER_07 (04:02):
So, um Yeah, we were talking about that.
We were discussing that.

SPEAKER_03 (04:07):
It's really important because we were
talking about not having a lotof followers.

SPEAKER_07 (04:12):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (04:13):
That's where we left off at.

SPEAKER_07 (04:14):
We were discussing not and not equating um the
amount of followers.
And why does this always happenwhen we start recording?
Trains start hitting, everythingstarts going on.

SPEAKER_03 (04:26):
I have no clue.
Well, I mean, I know why, butmaybe because it irritates you.
Don't be bothering them, I don'tthink.

SPEAKER_07 (04:34):
It does bother me.
Holy Spirit, I thank you.
Um we we we we thank God for astudio.

SPEAKER_03 (04:43):
Yes, we thank God for a studio.

SPEAKER_07 (04:46):
To do all of the things that God has called us to
do.
A space that can be treated.
Yes, we uh need to do.
We are so grateful for a studio.
We are believing God for astudio space.

SPEAKER_03 (05:00):
You guys believe God for a studio for us also.

SPEAKER_07 (05:03):
We would appreciate that.

SPEAKER_03 (05:04):
Because we have some we have some things we need to
do.

SPEAKER_07 (05:06):
We have so much that God has called us to do that
we're limited to do.
Um that requires additionalspace.
So we we are grateful for astudio, we are grateful for
resources to pump into thethings that God has called us to
do.
Um there's a lot that God hasplaced upon our hearts that He

(05:30):
wants us to do.
And for me personally, I thinkand we're going into a tangent
again.
I I just don't like the idea ofum charging people to receive
the word of God.

SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
Where's this coming from?

SPEAKER_07 (05:51):
Because a lot of people do these podcasts and
they start saying, you know, andI just don't agree with that.
I mean, I don't believe that's aI don't agree with it.
I can't tell you what God toldyou to do.
I it's just something that'suncomfortable for me.
It's like every time we go tochurch and the people will be
trying to take up an offeringevery single time we go, like,
no, every time the church dooris open.

(06:12):
It just is like every time.
And I think of like theinstances of Jesus where he um
he um with the 5,000 men andplus women and children.
It didn't say how many women andchildren there were, it said
5,000 men plus women andchildren.
And in that instance, like, youknow, and we're going off on a

(06:33):
tangent, it's cool.
But in that instance, he uhJesus didn't go to try to take
up an offering.
He wanted to feed the people.
Yeah, you know, and so I thinkthat is such an amazing
reflection of how the churchshould be.

SPEAKER_03 (06:47):
Well, I believe that they think that they are feeding
the people, they're feeding themthe word of God, their daily
bread.

SPEAKER_07 (06:53):
Jesus fed the people the word of God and he fed them
physically.
He met their spiritual and theirphysical needs.

SPEAKER_03 (07:00):
You saw the way I looked at the camera, like an
abbot?
Yes.
Or maybe.

SPEAKER_07 (07:04):
Yes, I did.
And so I I think it's reallyimportant that we approach it
from that perspective.
But we won't we won't go intothat.

SPEAKER_03 (07:13):
No, that's for another time.
We're supposed to be talkingabout the spirit realm.
We just got got through withHalloween.
It really wasn't that bad thisyear.
What do you mean?
As far as like the spirituallike attacks, warfare, and stuff
like that.

SPEAKER_07 (07:27):
Oh.
I don't never have issues withthat because it's October is a
horrible month.

SPEAKER_03 (07:32):
I mean, for me personally.

SPEAKER_07 (07:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (07:34):
I think it's because of what was Oh, because what's
in my bloodline, what wasattached to me.
Exactly.
It is is it was it was it wasbetter this year.

SPEAKER_07 (07:48):
Why do you think it was better?

SPEAKER_03 (07:49):
I don't know.
Exactly.
Maybe I have a different rankingin the spirit.
Um, maybe so.
But the last two years has beenlike trash.
It was bad.
It affected everybody around me.

SPEAKER_07 (08:04):
Why you say everybody around you?

SPEAKER_03 (08:06):
Because it did.

SPEAKER_07 (08:07):
Because of the stuff that I was seeing?
Stuff you saw, stuff the kidswas dealing with, just I think
the kids were, I think ingeneral the family was just
dealing with warfare from umdecisions that we made prior to
be with people that God neverintended for us to be with.
And that presented its own setof warfare on top of the stuff
that you deal with in the monthof October.

SPEAKER_03 (08:29):
Yeah, well, I mean, not to mention people who are
doing witchcraft and stuff.

SPEAKER_07 (08:33):
That part too.
Against people doing witchcraftas well.
Mm-hmm.
That part too.
So it's a lot.
It's so interesting because wecome from so such different
backgrounds.

SPEAKER_03 (08:43):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (08:44):
We both still dealt with trauma, but we come from
different backgrounds, likecompletely night and day.

SPEAKER_03 (08:48):
Yeah, God was like, you know what, we're gonna bring
this couple together.
Good versus evil.

SPEAKER_07 (08:55):
Because even when you think of like the May, and
we're talking everyone, andwe'll get to it.
But even when you think aboutthe like the Masonic movement.

SPEAKER_03 (09:01):
It's relevant.

SPEAKER_07 (09:02):
Yeah, even when you think about the Masonic
movement, the fact that I, youknow, someone tried to introduce
that to me when I was 12.

unknown (09:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (09:09):
And I knew intuitively that it was not
good.

unknown (09:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (09:14):
And I came back and told my mom, because they, they,
he portrayed it.
It was my next door neighbor.
He seemed to be in a place wherehe had everything together.
Um, a very respectable gentlemanin the neighborhood.
And he tried to introduce me tothe Masonic Temple, the Masons.
And I went there and it was justso dark.

(09:36):
I can't explain it other thanthe fact that it was so dark.
And they were doing aninitiation, but I wasn't able to
partake in the initiation.
Right.
But I saw their uh their temple.
And so when I was seeing some ofthe stuff that was going on and
some of the things that he wassaying, I was like, This don't
line up with the word of God.

unknown (09:55):
Nah, bruh, bruh, bruh.

SPEAKER_03 (09:56):
But you have to know the word of God.

SPEAKER_07 (09:58):
But it it was just, I think it was the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_03 (10:02):
Yeah, but your but your mom like kind of She knew
the word of God.
She gave you a found, she gaveyou a foundation.
The Holy Spirit in you was like,nah, bruh.

SPEAKER_07 (10:11):
Yeah, but she she was like, hey, you know, and I
think that's also a reflectionof of Christians being um
sometimes foolish to the spiritrealm and what's taking place,
the different occult.

SPEAKER_03 (10:25):
Yeah, because you see things in the natural and
you think it's and become and Ithink the other thing is
tradition, like we're talkingabout tradition and culture.
Like everybody in theneighborhood was doing it, so it
must not have been that bad.

SPEAKER_07 (10:36):
It's no different than like the fraternities and
sororities, where it's like,okay, it's it's a good thing,
and they're doing something goodfor the community.
But when you dig into the rootsof what it is, it's very
demonic.
It's very demonic.
And it's like, oh, I don'tbelieve in that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (10:52):
It don't touch me, it don't have nothing to do with
me.
Nothing really bad happened tome, but you're dealing with
perversion.

SPEAKER_07 (10:58):
Yeah, you're partaking in rituals, though.

SPEAKER_03 (11:00):
You're partaking in rituals, you're wondering why
now you got anxiety, depression,you drink it, you smoke it, you
around a bunch of people.

SPEAKER_07 (11:06):
Well, see, there's contracts, right, in the spirit
realm that we don't realize thatwe sign when we do certain
things.
Even like when, you know, Iforgot who it was, but they was
talking about Halloween, and wewas even discussing it, that you
don't realize when you give outcandy, when you do certain
things, you're basically signinga contract, basically saying
that you're okay with this.

SPEAKER_03 (11:27):
Yeah, you come into agreement.
I mean, the the the Satanist,what's his name?
Uh LeBay.

SPEAKER_07 (11:32):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (11:33):
I think his name is Le Bay, the one that was over
the um satanic cult and Caliwrote this really this book that
most of them go by.
Um, he's like, I'm glad that,you know, at least Christians
and everybody can celebrate atleast one day of evil.
One day, one, one day of evil.

SPEAKER_07 (11:52):
They don't take it serious.

SPEAKER_03 (11:53):
And it's like, uh, and then people are like, no,
we're not really celebrating.
We're just, you know, like, nah,you partaking.
He he clearly said he loves itwhen you guys partake in
activities that pertain andsurround itself around
Halloween.
No matter if it's trunk or treatat the church, no matter if
it's, you know, you know, likeyou dressing up or you watching

(12:18):
a horror film, or you justpartaking in general.
Is it you coming into agreement?

SPEAKER_07 (12:24):
Well, we gonna kick, we're going, because we'll keep
talking.

SPEAKER_03 (12:28):
Yeah.
But it's just, you know, thoseillegal accesses.
So there's a reason why youwanted to join a fraternity.
There's a reason why you wantedto join some type of community
because you you a lot of peoplefind their identity in that.
They have memorabiliaeverywhere, you know.
Um, like even with the the theMasons, like memorabilia

(12:50):
everywhere.
It's it's on their car, it's intheir home.
It's they wear it like a badgeof honor instead of it.

SPEAKER_07 (12:57):
Same thing with the fraternities and sororities and
all of that stuff.
This it's just weird thing.

SPEAKER_03 (13:01):
When you actually really think about it, um it's
branding.

SPEAKER_07 (13:04):
Yes, it's like you, you're you bring it.

SPEAKER_03 (13:06):
You marked yourself.

SPEAKER_07 (13:08):
Yeah.
And I think that's thechallenge, and people are gonna
hate that.
But it's just the reality.
If you are a part of afraternity, a sorority, I would
just say pray on it.
You know, um, I know therevelation I have on it.
I know my wife knows therevelation she has on it.
I would definitely say pray onit.
This is not a space where wejudge.
I think a lot of times uh forpeople who are in the faith, the

(13:30):
Bible says that we perishbecause of the lack of
knowledge.
I believe it says that in Hosea.
It says, my people perishbecause of the lack of
knowledge.
And so a lot of times it's justwe don't know.
We like, you know, even me, whenI was not in the church, um, and
I was just kind of in the world,I I staged my house at one point
in time.
You know, I came into agreementa couple of times with the whole

(13:54):
uh Gemini situation.
And it is, it wasn't anunderstanding of all of that
stuff is demonic.
It's spiritual.
And they don't, they don't ummarket it that way.
They don't portray it as what itreally is.
And part of the issue is thatthe church don't talk about it,
the church don't teach on it.
Out the teachings that we talkedabout this last week,

(14:16):
unfortunately, within thechurch, all they keep teaching
you is they get they keep givingyou milk.

SPEAKER_03 (14:21):
Yeah, well, they don't teach you the spiritual
implic implic implication.
How do you say it?

SPEAKER_07 (14:26):
Implications.

SPEAKER_03 (14:26):
Implications.
I was on the right track.

SPEAKER_07 (14:28):
You was there.

SPEAKER_03 (14:29):
I was there.

SPEAKER_07 (14:30):
I was like, just you sounded like somebody.
You know, the free you soundedlike the person of the free
world.
I could not say a seed ofbenefits.
Well, this is a tough one.
A c da da.

SPEAKER_03 (14:47):
Anyway, they don't they don't uh teach you the
spiritual consequences of doingthings in the natural, like they
don't correlate with each other,like there's two totally
different worlds.
While they are two totallydifferent worlds, they mirror
each other.
So they're kind of not, they'reintertwined together.

SPEAKER_05 (15:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (15:08):
And so, like one of the revelations I got um, you
know, earlier, because you know,my family, my background, you
come from a background full ofpreachers and you know, stuff
like that.

SPEAKER_07 (15:19):
And my background comes from a bunch of I have
some on granddad's side that,you know, with the indigenous
that was really dabbled in somestuff.
No, you know, dabble, them boyswas yeah, that because that's
their culture.
Yeah, but you grew up around Igrew up around the church, and
yeah, like granddad was apastor, and like I have a few
aunts that were preachers,uncles that were preachers,

(15:42):
evangelists, apostles, prophets.

SPEAKER_03 (15:44):
So you are some of who you are around, right?
I was not like my family was inthe church, but they were also
in the cult.
They were Freemasons, they werematrons, they they were up
there, they was they was upthere.

SPEAKER_07 (15:57):
They was straddling.

SPEAKER_03 (15:59):
It was ranked up there.
Um, so yes, they were straddlingthe fence, they were worshiping
a false Christ.
So that's where where mybackground comes from.
But what the the what wasrevealed to me like all
throughout this whole processis, you know, people are always,
like I said, they're searchingfor some type of identity,
they're searching for healing,they're searching for all these

(16:19):
things.
And I got this revelation thatyou, you know, you're when
you're looking for those things,right?
Because you talk about theseven, the seven spirits, right?
Um, when you're looking forhealing, when you're you're
that's a a a gift, right?
That God will give us ishealing.

(16:40):
But people do all these otherthings, like they'll go and get
Reiki done, or they'll startdoing yoga, or they'll start
doing um, what's those things?
What's that called?
Um, and that's all demonic.
It's it's literally like a aperverse version of healing
because the true healer is comesfrom Jesus.

(17:03):
The true healer comes, the truehealing comes from God.
And only God can reveal that toyou.
And so you have people who aregoing to Reiki, they're going to
yoga, but you're not reallygetting any better, you know.

SPEAKER_04 (17:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (17:17):
You're not really getting any better.
And then you you you have peoplewho are doing like affirmations
and they're doing meditations totry and, you know, uh make
themselves feel good aboutthemselves, um, trying to revamp
their identity, change, renewtheir mind, but they're doing it
without Christ.

(17:38):
They're doing it without theword of God.
And the Bible, and they'll sputeyou down and say, Well, the
Bible says you can meditate.
Yeah, meditate on the word, theword of God.
Meaning, like, you're notsupposed to just sit idle and
allow spirits or whatever tocome into your mind and start
talking to you.
You know, you're supposed tomeditate on the word so that it

(17:58):
becomes written on your heart.
They even do spiritual baths,which is a representation of
baptisms.
And so you're just accessingthis spirit realm illegally.
It's a perverse version.

SPEAKER_07 (18:14):
Well, I mean, getting into this this second or
part of uh part two of thespirit realm, um, I I think a
good place to start is Acts 19,13 through 16, when it touches
on the sons of uh Skeva andtheir attempt to cast out
demons.

(18:35):
And it was interesting becausethe scripture states that they
stated by the Jesus whom Paulpreaches.
And the scripture says, but thespirit said, Jesus I know, and
Paul I know, but who are you?
And the issue is that they wereoperating outside of their realm
of authority and with nolegitimacy, no relationship, and

(18:55):
no registration in heaven.

SPEAKER_02 (18:57):
Yeah, no revelation.

SPEAKER_07 (18:58):
There's no revelation, and I think the
authority comes from having thatrevelation.
And so it it's an understandingthat in order for you to move in
the spirit realm, like you haveto be in a situation where like
God knows you.
You know?
Now you can move, I guess,because people cast out demons

(19:20):
and all of those differentthings, which I would have to
dig into why, because Jesuswould still say, Turn away from
me before I never knew you.
So God can use you, right?
Because people talk, Jesus saidthat they would come to him and
say that we cast out demons inyour name.

SPEAKER_03 (19:32):
Yeah, but in this particular instance, this is
something that they they didn'thave authorization to do.

SPEAKER_07 (19:38):
They weren't gifted in it.

SPEAKER_03 (19:40):
No.
And that's why you have peoplesaging their houses and doing
all these things, and it don'twork.

SPEAKER_07 (19:45):
Yeah.
So the thing is, accessing thespirit realm without the son of
God is something manyunknowingly do, especially
today.
And so you talked about Reiki,Reiki uh for healing.
You talked about relying onaffirmations.
I don't think you talked aboutrelying on affirmations and
meditation.
That's a big one.

SPEAKER_03 (20:04):
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
They they rely on affirmationsand meditation to try and renew
their mind.

SPEAKER_07 (20:09):
Instead of declaring the scriptures, yeah, or uh
seeking diviners, or like, youknow, whether it's right, so
psychics.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (20:17):
But the perverse version of that is going is
listening to prophets, listeningto your pastor or evangelist or
anything like that.
But they'll go to, or literallythe Holy Spirit.
It's the Holy Spirit.
So they're perverted and they goto psychics, psychics,
spiritualists, thespiritualists, and they'll talk
about you know these spiritguides.
And it's like it's not spiritguides.
I mean, they're guiding you,they're just not guiding you in

(20:39):
the right direction.

SPEAKER_07 (20:40):
And so with that, you are entering the spirit
realm illegally.
And so I think it's importantthat we remember those things.
You talked about the uhspiritual baths, um, all of
these different things is justways that they enter the spirit
realm illegally.
And so it's just reallyremembering, right?
The importance of meditating onthe word of God, uh, decreeing

(21:02):
the word of God over our lives.
And as you stated, we receivehealing through the Holy Spirit.
That's a gift of the Spirit ofGod.
Um and it's really just theimportance of being untainted.
You know, the Bible lets usknow, and we we know that we're
to live consecrated and holy andsanctified lives.

(21:23):
So there's no there's no placefor uh the light to be connected
to darkness.
And I think a lot of times inthe church we mix, we mix stuff,
we become mixed because we wantthe power.

SPEAKER_03 (21:37):
Yeah, and and the thing is people aren't ignorant
to the fact that there is aspirit realm, right?
Because you're you're you'reyou're a triune being, you are a
spirit, right?
You you hold place for a spirit,uh a soul, and a body.
You know that.
And and people are seeking thatspiritual connection so that
when they do have theseexperiences, whether it's

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through Reiki or through adiviner or through yoga, they
have these spiritual experiencesand they're thinking, oh, well,
this must be God because God'sallowing it to happen.
And it's like the spirit realmis is available for everybody.
Everybody can access it.
Everybody has access to it.

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But it's just how you get theaccess.

SPEAKER_05 (22:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (22:25):
Right?
It's like it's like we have ahome, and somebody can come into
our home, they have access toit, but they are there
illegally.

SPEAKER_07 (22:34):
Come into what home?

SPEAKER_03 (22:35):
I'm talking about like a house, like somebody
coming in the house.

SPEAKER_07 (22:38):
Don't come in this house.
You don't want them problems.

SPEAKER_03 (22:41):
They have access to the house, meaning like the
house, the house is there.
They can get in the house, butthey're not there.
They they gotta go through alltheir stuff to get in the house.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 (22:53):
I don't think you should walk into people's houses
in the south.

SPEAKER_03 (22:57):
We talk about in the spirit, man.
We're talking about the spirit.

SPEAKER_07 (23:00):
You I was in the natural for a second.

SPEAKER_03 (23:02):
Yeah, yes, you were.

SPEAKER_07 (23:03):
The ears perked up.

SPEAKER_03 (23:04):
Yeah, you were.

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You're getting this forsomething, but you don't know
what that is.
You don't know what that's gonnabe, what it's gonna look like,
what that trade-off is, becausethat's what Satan does.
He gives you something that youthat you that that looks good,
but you gotta give him somethingback.
He's gonna expect something backfrom you.

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Just like Jesus expects the samething.
It's just like who you gonnagive your body to, who you gonna
give your soul to, who you wannado transactions with.

SPEAKER_05 (23:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:02):
Why are you looking at me like that?
What?

SPEAKER_07 (24:06):
Continue.

SPEAKER_03 (24:08):
What did I go off?

SPEAKER_07 (24:10):
No, you didn't.

SPEAKER_03 (24:12):
Why are you looking at me like that?

SPEAKER_07 (24:13):
No reason.
Continue.
I'm getting scriptures together.
So we can move in the scripture.
Continue.

SPEAKER_02 (24:20):
Are you getting revelations or something?

SPEAKER_07 (24:22):
No.
First Corinthians 12, 4 through7.

SPEAKER_02 (24:25):
Okay.

SPEAKER_07 (24:25):
I'm keeping us on track.
1 Corinthians 12, 4 through 7.
Uh, there are different kinds ofspiritual gifts, but the same
spirit is the source of themall.
There are different kinds ofservice, but we serve the same
Lord.
God works in different ways, butin the same God, excuse me, but

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it's the same God who does thework in all of us.
A spiritual gift is given toeach of us so we can help each
other.
Um, stop there, but I'll go alittle bit further.
To one person, the spirit givesthe ability to give wise advice.
To another, the same spiritgives a message of special
knowledge, the same spirit givesgreat faith to another, and to
someone else that one spiritgives the gift of healing.

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He gives permission, or he givesone person the power to perform
miracles, and another theability the ability to prophesy.
He gives someone else theability to discern whether a
message is from the spirit ofGod or from another spirit.
Still, another person is giventhe ability to speak in unknown
languages, while another isgiven the ability to interpret
what is being said.

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It is the one and only spiritwho distributes all these gifts.
He alone decides which gift eachperson should have.
And that just digs into what youwere saying that um that the
gifts that you can receive areextremely diversified.
Uh there's one spirit that'sgiven them out, and that each

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realm carries its own operation,gift, and authority.
Accessing or functioning in onerealm doesn't automatically mean
access to all others.
And so it's just different weall operate differently within
the spirit.
And so I believe that you know,it's my belief that Jesus

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carried all of it.
Well, that we know that Jesusoperated with all within all.

SPEAKER_03 (26:17):
Yeah, I think the thing is also is that they come
without repentance.
So like you have a gift, but youcould use it for demonic
purposes.

SPEAKER_07 (26:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (26:26):
So like there's a lot of people who have healing
hands.
And instead of being a massagetherapist, they'll be a Reiki
therapist, or you know, or youknow, instead of, you know,
being in a healing ministry, youknow, laying hands on people
where God tells you to lay handsor um being a deliverance

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ministry, you know.
Or giving wisdom, they use itfor other purposes.

SPEAKER_07 (26:53):
It's just understanding that for um
everything that's within thebody of Christ, the enemy has
created his own version of itwithin the kingdom of darkness.
And it just goes back to some ofthe episodes that we touched on
before where the enemy desiresto be like God, so he creates
things that are um that mimicsthe kingdom of God.

SPEAKER_03 (27:17):
Yeah, it's literally just a mirror.
Like, I don't know, I probablywould.
I mean, before I was saved andconverted, I watched Stranger
Things, and it's like, it'sliterally like you have a world
and then you have an upside downworld.
It's just, it's just, sorry,it's just a mirror.

SPEAKER_07 (27:32):
So moving on, we have Daniel 10, 12 through 13.
And this is just another anotherexample of, you know, the fact
that there is different there'sdifferent hierarchies, there's
different uh realms of thespirit, because a lot of people
they want scripture to prove it.

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Um Daniel 10, 12 through 13.
You want to read that?
Grab that and read that.
Uh Daniel chapter 10.
And and everything that we'rereading, we're reading from the
NLT version.

SPEAKER_03 (28:10):
Is it Daniel 10 12?

SPEAKER_07 (28:13):
Yeah, 10, 12 through 13.

SPEAKER_03 (28:16):
Then he said, Don't be afraid, Daniel.
Since the first day you began topray for understanding and to
humble yourself before your God,your request has been heard in
heaven.
I have come in answer to yourprayer.
But for 21 days, the spiritprince of the kingdom of Persia

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blocked my way.
Then Michael, one of thearchangels, came to help me, and
I left him there with the spiritprince of the kingdom of Persia.

SPEAKER_07 (28:47):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (28:48):
So, um It's obvious he wasn't like a physical
prince.

SPEAKER_07 (28:53):
No, they would argue.
I don't I don't know who wouldeven argue that though.
It would be obvious that, youknow, this is an angel that uh
Daniel is speaking to, so thiswas a angel was like, I had to
battle another spirit to getthis answer to you.
Who was over a kingdom, and thenanother angel had to come and

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assist, I believe, is what hewas saying.
So the message could be sent toDaniel.
And so he had even that angelhad to seek assistance.

SPEAKER_03 (29:23):
Because that spirit had authority over that
territory of whatever he waspraying for.

SPEAKER_07 (29:29):
Exactly.
So it's I think the key thingwith this I have an itch.
Oh the key thing with this is umeven even angelic beings require
permission to move betweenrealms, right?
And I I think about Hebrewschapter one, which is good to

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read because it essentiallystates that it's God that sent
the angels forth to do.
His bidding throughout theearth, right?
And it's really important for usto remember that because you
would have people in the theworld or some some people in the
church make you think that youhave some type of authority over
the angels and you don't.

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The angels go according to theword of God, they follow the
word of God, which is why somepeople to pray something and
nothing happens, you're not intune and or connected to the
will of God.
It's the will of God.
It's the word of God that getsthe angels to move.

SPEAKER_03 (30:31):
Yeah, and the angels either are gonna let it happen
or not let it happen.

SPEAKER_07 (30:35):
Yes.
But it's not your word, it's theword when you speak the word of
God.
They're connected to the word ofGod.

SPEAKER_02 (30:43):
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (30:44):
So um, I guess insight would be every realm
carries its own level ofwarfare, authority, and
responsibility.
Some doors can only be openedthrough relationship,
revelation, and divine timing.
As you go from level to level,you're going to deal with
warfare.
It's just the reality of what itis.

SPEAKER_01 (31:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (31:05):
You, of course, you're going to a greater level,
you have a greater level ofauthority.

SPEAKER_03 (31:09):
But depending on what God's called you to, um,
just like with the children ofIsrael, um, they had different
territories they had to conquerbefore they can get to the
actual promised land.
And so it's the same thing withyou.

SPEAKER_05 (31:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:24):
If God has a place for you that he wants you to be
in, you're gonna have to, you'regonna have to face some giants.
You're gonna have to face someuh territorial spirits.
You're gonna have to fight.
You're gonna have to be likeDaniel.

SPEAKER_07 (31:37):
It comes with the territory.
Yeah.
At the end of the day, it comeswith a territory.

SPEAKER_03 (31:40):
Because you have forces that's trying to come up
against you, whether you seethem or not.

SPEAKER_07 (31:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:46):
They're there.

SPEAKER_07 (31:47):
And so now we move into alignment, legitimacy, and
authority.
Do you want to read Luke chapter10, verse 19 through 20?

SPEAKER_00 (32:02):
Luke 10.

SPEAKER_03 (32:11):
Luke 1920.
It says, Look, I have oh Jesussays Look, I have given you
authority over all the power ofthe enemy, and you can walk
among snakes and scorpions andcrush them.
Nothing will injure you.

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But don't rejoice because evilspirits obey you.
Rejoice because your names areregistered in heaven.
And I I love this because I sayit all the time in prayer, but I
use the New King James version.
I don't like the NLT version.
I think it sounds better.

SPEAKER_07 (32:50):
I mean, it's it's a reflection of remembering why
we're doing what we're doing,uh, yet also understanding that
true authority comes by way ofJesus.
Outside of that, it's not there.
And I think we, especially intoday's day and age, we have to
be really careful because wehave a lot of leaders that have

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charisma, but they don't haveauthority.
And we don't understand thedifference between the two.
You have the gift of gab, butyour words carry no power.
Because the only way that yourwords truly carry power is by
way of the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_03 (33:31):
Yeah, it's by revelation.
Like for even for me, you know,it was like, dang, Jesus really
did die.
I have authority.
He says it right here.
I have authority over all thepower of the enemy.
And so whatever's coming my way,I can literally just speak to it
and keep speaking to it and keepspeaking to it until something
breaks.

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Until something happens.

SPEAKER_07 (33:53):
Our entire approach in life is wrong.
Even like when we approach, forexample, evangelism, it bothers
me because I believe the waythat evangelism is approached is
not necessarily biblical.
And what I mean by that is thatthere is this idea to just go
wherever you want to go, right?

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You just want to speak to asmany people as you can speak to.
Well, Jesus always would tellthem to go where I sent you.
Go where I sent you becauseeveryone has a divine, those who
have been called to come intothe fold, they have a what he
would always tell me with youand others, there's a divine
destiny or a divine uh timelineor a place in time when you will

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come into the fold.

SPEAKER_03 (34:38):
Yeah, everybody has their own appointment.
Yeah, like Elijah.
Elijah's like, I'm the only one.
And God's like, No, you're not.

SPEAKER_07 (34:46):
Yeah.
And so when you approach that,um you have to approach
evangelism from a perspective ofgoing where God has called you
to go.
And then when you do that, youalso realize it's not about what
you say.
Because we look at Peter and theBible says that the Holy Spirit
speaking through Peter is whatconvicted the men.

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And they came to Peter saying,What must I do to be saved?
So our approach has to shiftfrom, you know, I'm just trying
to get out and get as manypeople to hear about this to I'm
trying to get to the people thatGod has called me to.

SPEAKER_03 (35:20):
Yeah, I think it's, you know, knowing when to use
your authority.
Um, obviously, if someone'scoming up against you, you have
authority because they're comingup against you.
But you trying to um go upagainst something that you don't
have authority over, likepraying for someone and you

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don't know really know whatthey're dealing with, or um you
going and talking andevangelizing to some people, um,
that might not be yourterritory.
That might not be your um, thatmay not be God's will for you to
do that, even though you thinkthat you're doing good works,
just like good works.
You're doing good works, but isit what God called you to do?

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Is it where he called you to be?
Because then you'll be dealingwith unnecessary warfare, like
the seven uh sons of Skeva.

SPEAKER_07 (36:11):
Well, it I think the biggest thing that I would
recommend anyone, especially ifyou're in the faith now, you
have a relationship with God,you have a relationship with
Jesus Christ, uh, read theGospels.
Because in reading, reading theGospels, you will see um Jesus
consistently move in aparticular way.

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And I'm and it is my belief thathe said it enough, and it's just
a revelation that the HolySpirit gave to me.
He said it enough to where evenwhen he didn't say it, you know
it was implied.
And Jesus only went where thefather sent him.
Jesus will constantly tell uswhat I say what the father tells
me to say.

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I do what the father tells me todo.

SPEAKER_03 (36:55):
Not what other people are doing.

SPEAKER_07 (36:57):
Exactly.
Outside of that, if so, when youhear me speak, you're hearing
the father speak.
And he's like, when you see memoving, I'm moving because the
father told me to move.
And so now that becomes areflection or an example to us.
So we're like, oh, Jesus' heartwas moved to heal people.
No, his heart was moved, but hestill moved within the

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constraints of the Spirit of Godbecause he was submitted to the
Father.

SPEAKER_02 (37:22):
He delivered who he was supposed to deliver.

SPEAKER_07 (37:24):
He prayed, who he prayed for who he was supposed
to pray for.
Because if Jesus was doing whathe wanted to do, he would have
never let Lazarus die.
That's just the reason he didn'twant him to, but he spoke and
said that I it is not time yet.

SPEAKER_03 (37:38):
Right.
Or he could have just casted thedevil out of uh what's his name?

unknown (37:42):
Who?

SPEAKER_03 (37:43):
Judas.

SPEAKER_07 (37:44):
Oh yeah.
But he did it.
He said, I kept those, I keptall of those except the one that
you meant for destruction.

SPEAKER_03 (37:51):
Because he rebuked Peter.

SPEAKER_07 (37:52):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (37:52):
He said, Say, get thee behind me.
So he But he did not rebukeJudas.

SPEAKER_07 (37:57):
And he also restored Peter.
And so once again, Jesus was, hehimself submitted himself to the
will of the Father.
So with us, I think, how do wefeel, how do we believe, or what
what makes us think that wearen't supposed to do the same
thing?

SPEAKER_03 (38:13):
Because they don't teach us to move in the spirit.

SPEAKER_07 (38:15):
Yeah.
Which is why we have thisteaching right now.

SPEAKER_03 (38:19):
Because you're moving off the natural of things
that just you just you just see.
I see this person's angry.
I see you struggling.
I see you dealing with this.
And it's like, okay, well, whatdid God tell you to do?
Did he tell you to go talk tothat lady at the abortion
clinic?
Did he tell you?
Why are you doing it?
No, I'm just saying, because I'mI'm saying just in general, like
street preaching or like, youknow, going and talking to

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people.
It's like, did God tell you todo that?
Yes, you can give peoplescripture, but that's not gonna
do anything.
You just read scripture topeople.
You could go to church for that.
People go to church all the timeand get scripture read to them.

SPEAKER_07 (38:54):
Well, the the thing is that we have to remember what
brings forth change is thespirit of God.
And truthfully, you know, loveis something that's so amazing.
And so, in those instances,because we know in America, one
of the huge things that that thechurch struggle with, the huge

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thing that they look at and theyfuss about all the time is what
LGBTQ and abortion.
It gets so tiring.
It's the same argument.
You should not take someone'slife.
You are a murderer, and you aregoing to hell because you are a
part of the LGBTQ pluscommunity, and that is an

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abomination to God.
Right.
And my only question is stomachis grounded.
My only question is, whathappened to love?

SPEAKER_05 (39:49):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 (39:50):
What happened to love?
Like, what happened to love?
You know, like what happened togiving people a choice?
What happened to respectingpeople's decisions?

SPEAKER_03 (40:02):
Or remembering that Jesus is with them.

SPEAKER_07 (40:06):
Either way.

SPEAKER_03 (40:06):
Even going through what they're going through.

SPEAKER_07 (40:08):
And just loving them and saying, you know, in spite,
no matter what you do, and nomatter what choice that you
make, Jesus still loves you.
And he wants you to be free fromthe stuff that you're dealing
with.

SPEAKER_03 (40:20):
I mean, he's always there.
It's just a matter of helpingthem recognize that he is.

SPEAKER_07 (40:26):
Or being okay.
Being okay with people notaccepting it and not forcing it
on them and just letting themmake the decisions for their
lives and understanding thatyou're not their God.

SPEAKER_03 (40:38):
Right.
Because Jesus knows.
He knows their path, he knowswhat they're gonna do, but he's
still there, just like he wasthere with Judas.
He knew what Judas was gonna do,but he was still there.
He didn't disown him.

SPEAKER_07 (40:50):
So, with this, right?
Um, did you put thisillustration in?

SPEAKER_01 (40:55):
What illustration?

SPEAKER_07 (40:56):
The police officer.

SPEAKER_01 (40:59):
Uh I don't know.

unknown (41:02):
Probably.

SPEAKER_07 (41:03):
So the illustration here, and this is just dealing
with authority, a policeofficer's badge only has power
within their jurisdiction.

SPEAKER_03 (41:10):
You did that.
I didn't do that.

SPEAKER_07 (41:11):
Okay.
And that's that's with anything,whether that's, you know, we
have different uh branches oflaw enforcement here in America.
You have the police, you havethe FBI, you have the U.S.
Marshals, you have the statetroops, you have DEA, you have
CIA, you have Secret Service,you have also now we dig into

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military and the differentmilitary branches within the
military.
Right.
And they all have differenttypes of authority.

SPEAKER_03 (41:38):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 (41:39):
They all have different types of authority.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (41:41):
It's a whole legal system.

SPEAKER_07 (41:43):
Now currently, currently, as we speak, look,
people are just kind of doingwhatever they want and not
adhering to the laws of the landthat's been set in place, but we
won't get into that because thisis not this podcast.
But what is currently happeningin the United States, in the
United States of America, is notlegal.
Many people are foregoing thethings that's been set in place

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to basically state that no oneis above the law, and um they're
doing things to make it seem asif they are above.

SPEAKER_03 (42:19):
Well, and the thing is, like in the spirit realm,
just because you're able to doit don't mean that you should.
Doesn't mean that you should.
And it doesn't mean that you'renot gonna have consequences for
those things.
You it might seem like it'sright right now because you're
able to do it.

SPEAKER_07 (42:35):
Well, and this is this digs back into history,
right?
And you look at history and yousee that many people who moved
in a way that went against thelaws of the land or try to uh
get caught up in certain things,they were always held
accountable.
And I would say you are going tobe held accountable whether in
this life or the next.

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But it is understanding, right,that there are um within the
spiritual realm, right?
Uh there's different authorityfunctions that you're given,
right?
God has given you to operatewithin the spirit realm, and
outside of that, you might wantto stay away from it.

SPEAKER_01 (43:15):
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (43:16):
It's as simple as that.
So now we dig into the sevenspirits of God.
This is not a deep teaching thatwe're going on.
This is not a deep dive.
This is just an extension of thespirit realm.
Do you want to jump into that?

SPEAKER_02 (43:33):
Um, this revelation was given to you, baby.

SPEAKER_07 (43:36):
Okay.
You're just gonna just give itto you.
Throw me out there.
Okay.
Because you was just flowingearly, just you were just
flowing.
I was gonna get you a um apulpit.

SPEAKER_03 (43:54):
I know you're not talking, cuz you was doing the
same thing last episode.

SPEAKER_07 (43:59):
I thought you was like, Yeah.
The Bible says.
I'm not even the Bible says.

SPEAKER_02 (44:07):
I could use some water though.

SPEAKER_07 (44:09):
I'm hungry.
But we're gonna keep going.
I could use some water too.
You could keep going.
Yeah.
So the seven spirits of God, um,Isaiah 11, verse 1.
Jesus.
Jesus.
Amen, sister.

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My wife is hungry, which is why.
Yeah.
Uh Isaiah 11, verse 1 through 2.
You want me to read that, or youwant to?

SPEAKER_03 (44:42):
Oh, okay.
I'm sorry.
I was somewhere else.

SPEAKER_07 (44:46):
Gotta clear my throat.

SPEAKER_03 (44:49):
You said Isaiah.

SPEAKER_07 (44:50):
Mm-hmm.
Chapter 11, verse 1 through 2.
And we read some of this lastweek, too.

SPEAKER_03 (44:58):
Okay.
Out of the stump of David'sfamily will grow a shoot.
Yes, a new branch bearing fruitfrom the old root, and the
spirit of the Lord will rest onhim, the spirit of wisdom and
understanding, the spirit ofcounsel and might, the spirit of
knowledge and the fear of theLord.

SPEAKER_07 (45:20):
And this is what the Bible refers to, because it
touched on it in Revelations uhchapter one.

SPEAKER_03 (45:26):
Yeah, this is like a foreshadowing.

SPEAKER_07 (45:27):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (45:28):
It says it, how many times does it say these spirits
in the Bible?

SPEAKER_07 (45:32):
Um, a couple of a few times.
I know it addresses it inRevelations chapter one, verse
four-two.

SPEAKER_01 (45:39):
Um Paul talk about them as well.

SPEAKER_07 (45:42):
I don't think so.
And it says the this letter isfrom John to the seven churches
in the province of Asia.
Grace and peace to you from theone who is, who always was, and
who is still to come, from thesevenfold spirit before his
throne and from Jesus Christ.
So it talks about the spirit,the sevenfold spirit there.

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You have Revelation three andone that discusses it.
You have Revelations four andfive.
And in those instances, it'sjust consistently talking about
the sevenfold spirits.
And those are the sevenfoldspirits of God.
And so it's just consistently insevenfold spirit, sevenfold

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spirit.
So you have the spirit of theLord, you have the spirit of
wisdom, you have the spirit ofunderstanding, you have the
spirit of counsel, you have thespirit of might, you have the
spirit of knowledge, and youhave the spirit of the fear of
the Lord, right?
So when you think of the spiritof the Lord, it's God's
manifested presence oranointing.
The spirit of wisdom is divinestrategy and insight.

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The spirit of understanding isrevelation, which is very
important, and comprehension ofmysteries.
The spirit of counsel isguidance and divine direction.
The spirit of might is power andsupernatural strength.
The spirit of knowledge isdiscernment and awareness of
divine realities.
The spirit of the fear of theLord is reverence and holy

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submission.
I would say many of us strugglewith the spirit of the fear of
the Lord.
And I think that's veryimportant to have that.
Right?
Um my thought would be what Paulsaid, right?
Praying that God will provideyou these seven spirits.

(47:33):
You know, because differentpeople operate within different
ones.
You have people that, you know,I think of, for example,
Solomon.
Solomon had the spirit ofwisdom.

SPEAKER_02 (47:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (47:43):
It was something that was given to him by God.
Uh, we think of Samson.
Samson had the spirit of might.
Um Solomon also had the spiritof counsel, right?
Um we could probably say thatSolomon also had the spirit of
understanding.

SPEAKER_02 (48:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (48:01):
That kind of fell in with the spirit of wisdom.
And so I think these are reallyimportant.
I know for me personally, I'veseen myself operate within the
spirit of understanding, um, thespirit of counsel, the spirit of
knowledge.
And I know the spirit of thefear of the Lord is something

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that's I I see manifest itselfwithin me, where there is a
reverence and holy submission toGod.
Um, what about yourself?
What do you recognize any ofthese spirits at work within you
being manifested?

SPEAKER_03 (48:40):
Oh no, absolutely.
Because before I was I had theopposite.
Um I was just thinking about, Iwas like, okay, if these are all
the spirits of the Lord, right?
If these are all spirits andmanifestations of the Holy
Spirit, what about the opposite?
Because I think a lot of timespeople don't recognize that
these emotions andcharacteristics of people, while

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they are natural, they're alsospiritual, right?
And so those are things that youalso have authority over or to
you you're able to speak to,just like we're able to decree
or ask the Lord to give us, youknow, the spirit of wisdom,
spirit of understanding, um, andask for the Holy Spirit to, you
know, reveal these things to us.

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You can also ask the Holy Spiritto reveal the opposite in other
people.
So I was just, I was justlooking it up, and I'm like,
okay, um Satan would just havethe opposite.
So the spirit of wisdom, youwould be, there's a spirit of
confusion, there's a spirit offoolishness, which talks about
in the Bible Proverbs, uh, andin First Corinthians.

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The spirit of understandingwould be a spirit of deception
or spirit of blindness.
You know, there's a false spiritgoing out.
Then you have a spirit ofcounsel.
You have people who give badcounsel, you have divine, like
diviners, you know, they givedivination divination, they give
bad counsel, right?
That's a that's a spirit.
You can speak to it.

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You have then you have a spiritof knowledge, which is just
ignorance and just false lies,deceit, and then um the spirit
of might, which is the oppositeof that, a spirit of fear.
God hasn't given us a spirit offear, right?

SPEAKER_07 (50:23):
What's that, Timothy?

SPEAKER_03 (50:24):
It's um, yeah, uh 2 Timothy verse 7.
He hasn't given us a spiritspirit of fear, but of might in
a sound mind in a sound in asound mind, right?
And so we have to really, reallylike take into account that
everything that you see is it'sit's everything in the natural
is manifested from the spirit.

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That doesn't hold that doesn'ttake away the accountability of
people and their consequences,but it's just recognizing that,
okay, I see what's operating inyou, and I'm not going to, you
know, um, I'm not going toengage.
Like, cause you can't negotiatewith spirits, demons.

SPEAKER_07 (51:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (51:04):
You know?
It is but then it's alsorecognizing who's with God, like
who, you know, who has the HolySpirit and then who isn't
operating in the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_07 (51:15):
Well, it's a reminder that, um, excuse my
voice, I need some more orsomething.
It's a reminder that the enemy,and we we touched on this in the
previous episode, that the enemyis obsessed with having the
power that God has.

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And as we dug into the enemy'sposition in heaven, um the Bible
lets us know that he was taskedwith what?
Um uh protecting the presence ofGod.

SPEAKER_05 (51:52):
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (51:53):
Protecting the glory of God.
So because of the enemy'sposition, what was he?
Was he a seraphim?

SPEAKER_01 (52:00):
Uh he was a uh cherubim.

SPEAKER_07 (52:03):
He was a cherubim?

SPEAKER_01 (52:04):
I believe.

SPEAKER_07 (52:05):
Um let me see.
Um bear with me, everyone.
Because I know he carried he wasYeah, he was a cherubim.
He was a cherubim and he heprotected the glory in the

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presence of God.

SPEAKER_03 (52:26):
Yeah, he should have had the fear of the Lord.

SPEAKER_07 (52:29):
And so the thing about it is that he was close to
the glory in the presence ofGod.
So he, I'm sure, was able togain an understanding of how the
kingdom of God works because ofhis close proximity, right?
And so we have to remember thathe has this desire and he has

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built his quote unquote kingdomto mimic the kingdom of God.

SPEAKER_03 (52:56):
Yeah.
I mean, he was one of thehighest ranking, he's one of the
highest ranking angels becausethey're the only ones that
surround the throne.

SPEAKER_07 (53:02):
Exactly.
In spite of people trying to saythat he was an angel of worship.
He was not.

SPEAKER_03 (53:08):
We are all worship leaders.

SPEAKER_07 (53:11):
But he was not, he was not, that was not his
position.

SPEAKER_03 (53:15):
His position.

SPEAKER_07 (53:17):
And and and you can find this in the scripture.
His position was to protect theglory of God.
If you dig in and you doresearch, his position was
actually to protect the glory ofGod.
And this is just one of thosethings that has been passed down
in church because it sounds goodto say, oh, then the music out
here is this is the main goal ofmusic.

SPEAKER_03 (53:38):
Because he was created with musical
instruments.
We all have musical instruments.
I have an esophagus, I have athroat, I can sing, you know?
Like I have I have a windpipe.

SPEAKER_07 (53:51):
Well, see.

SPEAKER_03 (53:52):
Well, every everything is created to worship
the Lord.

SPEAKER_07 (53:57):
And as we're speaking, I'm I'm I'm looking
into some stuff so I can give itto you.

SPEAKER_03 (54:00):
Yeah, no, everything was created to worship the Lord,
you know.

SPEAKER_07 (54:06):
So, um, and this is Ezekiel 1, 4 through 14, or
Ezekiel 10, verse 1 through 22,right?
This is um, let's go to Ezekiel1 verse 6 through 7 real quick.
And we um, I know we're goingoff a little bit, but I'll try

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to do better because we've beengoing off a lot today.

SPEAKER_02 (54:31):
Ezekiel what?

SPEAKER_07 (54:32):
Uh verse or chapter 1, verse 6 through 7.
Right?
Um, and this is talking aboutthe cherubim.
Uh it says that uh let's see,let's go to verse 4.
As I looked, I saw a great stormcoming from the north, driving
before it a huge cloud thatflashed with lightning and shone

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with brilliant light.
There was fire inside the cloud,and in the middle of the fire
glowed something like gleamingamber.
From the center of the cloudcame four living beings that
looked human, except that eachhad four faces and four wings.
Their legs were straight andtheir feet had hooves like those
of a calf, and shone like burnum burnished bronze.

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Under each of their four wings Icould see human hands.
So each of the four beings hadfour faces and four wings.
The wings of each living beingtouched the wings of the beings
in beside it.
Uh, each one moved straightforward in any direction without
turning around.
And it says, verse 10, it's key.

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Each had a human face in thefront, the face of a lion on the
right side, the face of an ox onthe left side, and the face of
an eagle at the back.
I would say that we need to umlook at and understand who Satan
really was in heaven.

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Because we are confused to, andprayerfully at some point we can
get into what those facesrepresent.
But um, if I can leave you withanything, I would just say that
Satan was not the minister ofmusic, he was one of the highest
ranking angels in heaven, andone of his primary

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responsibilities was to guardthe the the glory of God, the
presence of God.

SPEAKER_03 (56:29):
Because in nowhere does it say that he is.

SPEAKER_07 (56:32):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (56:35):
So but we uh But I I did want to pull up why people
where it is.

SPEAKER_07 (56:42):
Where they where they confuse it, the scripture
that they use to confuse itbecause of the pipes.

SPEAKER_03 (56:47):
Yeah, which is Ezekiel twenty-eight uh thirteen
through fourteen.

SPEAKER_07 (57:10):
Stomach it's stomach it right now.

SPEAKER_03 (57:17):
It says You were in Eden, the garden of God, your
clothing was adorned with everyprecious stone, red carnarc
carnelian, pale green paridot,um, white moonstone, blue green

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beryl, onyx, green jasper, bluelapis, lazuli, and turquoise and
emerald, all beautifully craftedfor you and set in the finest
gold.
They were given to you on theday you were created.
I ordained and anointed you asthe mighty angelic guardian.
You'd have access to the holymountain of God and walked among

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the stones of fire.
Well, that doesn't say anything.
I think it's is it in New KingJames Version?

SPEAKER_07 (58:08):
It probably is.
It is.
You have to read it from the NewKing James Version, I believe.

SPEAKER_03 (58:16):
Yes, New King James Version.
It says I'm not I'm just gonnaskip all that.
It it it listed all the thejewels that he was given, but it
says the workmanship of yourtimbrels and pipes was prepared
for you on the day you werecreated.

SPEAKER_07 (58:37):
And what verse is that?

SPEAKER_03 (58:39):
It's 13.

SPEAKER_07 (58:40):
Okay.
And that's the verse that theyuse to justify stating that
Jesus um Jesus, that the enemywas uh an angel that was over
worship, which is not accurate.
He wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 (58:52):
No, he was just given uh timbrels and pipes,
just like we are given timbrelsand pipes.

SPEAKER_07 (58:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:00):
To worship.

SPEAKER_07 (59:01):
I mean he had the face of a man, that don't mean
that he was a man.
Not trying to be funny.
I think I think we have to wehave to uh just be careful,
right?
Because um there's a lot oftraditions and things that were
passed on that's not necessarilyaccurate, that's not necessarily
biblical.
Uh it it's stuff that wascreated because the church

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despised certain genres ofmusic.
And part of their ways ofjustifying and calling it
demonic was that it was theeasier way for them to approach
it and saying, hey, well, youknow, the enemy was the angel
of, he was the he was overworship in heaven, and this is
why you have all of this musicthat's being played, sorry about
that, that's being played thatshould not be being played.

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And it's like, no.
I mean, yes, there's an I Ithink it's so simple, it's not
as convoluted as they make it,right?
When you think of worship, it itboils down.
To the fact that the enemydesires to mimic the kingdom of
God.

SPEAKER_05 (01:00:03):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (01:00:04):
And within the kingdom of God, you have people
and you have angels that worshipGod.
And you have them singing songsto God.
And when you go to church, youhave worship that takes place.
You sing songs where you areworshiping and you're
reverencing God.
Well, the same things, the samething goes on in the world.
You have people that createsongs and do music that worship

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and glorify self, that worshipand glorify perversion, that
worship and glorify uh the worksof the flesh.
And so they're technicallyworship leaders, just like you
have quote unquote worshipleaders in the church.
It's as simple as that.
It's not so convoluted.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:50):
Right.
And so, like even uh like Isaiah14, 11 through 14 talks about
the fall of Lucifer.
And verse 11 says, Your pomp isbrought down to Sheol, and the
sound of your stringinstruments, the maggot is
spread under you and worms coveryou.
The sound of your stringedinstruments, meaning your your

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worship, you wanted to worship,you wanted worship.
And they and you fell instead ofgiving worship, you know, it was
the sound of your strings, notthe strings that God gave you to
worship him, but because of yourworship of yourself, you wanted

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to be exalted above God.

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:35):
Yes.
And so it's just reallyimportant to understand that we
we I guess we talk about thisall the time.
We have to be careful.
I think the I don't know howmany times we can say the danger
is that it's so easy torecognize it when it's like
outright distinctively theworld.
It's so easy to recognize that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:56):
What do you mean?

SPEAKER_07 (01:01:57):
That it's like quote unquote demonic or it's
something of a working of theenemy, like certain artists,
certain songs that they do.
I think it's more challenging torecognize when it's in the
church.
And I think we we talk aboutthis all the time.
We fail to realize that thereare quote unquote worship
leaders in the church that'sbeen infiltrated by the enemy,
that create worship songs thatare very selfish, that create

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worship that is veryself-centered, self-exaltation.
Gospel songs out here thatcreate songs that are selfish.
Christian hip-hop artists thatcreate songs that are selfish.
And so we have to just be reallycareful because they're full of
lies.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:37):
Exactly.
Full of false things, deceitfulteachers and pastors out here
that's doing the same thing.
God counsel.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:44):
Exactly.
They're operating from the placeof their flesh.
They're operating, showcasing uswho their real father is.
We talk about this all the time.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:52):
Antichrist.

SPEAKER_07 (01:02:53):
Antichrist, they would tell you that what is good
is is is wicked and what iswicked is good.
So the entire podcast, even aswe're in at now in season two,
we're just really trying toencourage everyone to gain an
understanding of who God is soyou don't be led astray.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:11):
And not just listening to us because you can,
but listening.
What do you think about this,God?
Or if you Or can you show mewhat it is, what is it that
they're saying?

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:28):
There are some that disagree with us.
And my my thing would say, mything I would say is take that
back to God.
We're not here to argue withyou.

SPEAKER_05 (01:03:35):
No.

SPEAKER_07 (01:03:36):
Take it back to God because I'm only giving you what
was given to me.
And I stand firm on the thingsthat God has given us.
And so I would say, if you haveany type of discrepancies,
present it to the Father andsay, Hey, why do I feel this
way?
I think you said that before.
Why do I feel this way?
Why is this bothering me the wayit's bothering me?
Why is this making me feel thisway?

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:57):
I feel uncomfortable.
I feel offended.
Is this conviction?
Is this right?
Am I it is this because people alot of people say, I didn't like
the way that they said this.
It felt bad in my spirit.
And and we'll be looking like,no.
Or like even that's the spiritof God that's speaking.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:14):
Or even like with previous episodes where we're
just having normal interactionand people become offended.
And it's like, you gotta prey onthat because we not offended.
We're fine.
So why aren't you fine?
And you try to just in general,and I think it's really
important in life in general,don't be quick to sit there and

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say it's that person.
Make sure it's not you before,you know, you assume that it's
that person.
Or make sure, you know, there'snot something that you're
missing, or make sure you're notdealing with conviction, or
you're not dealing withunresolved trauma or unresolved
hurt.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:51):
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (01:04:51):
Or a space that you need to be healed in.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:53):
Right.
Or if it's something that wepresented, you know, that you're
not, that while you have yourown thoughts, remember that it's
you your thoughts areinfluenced.

SPEAKER_07 (01:05:05):
And you have to always make sure as you're
listening to everything, you aretapped into the spirit.
You know, it you know, you haveto receive it by the spirit of
God.
Because, you know, the Biblelets us know, and I think you
read that last week, possibly,or the week before at some
point, you did read to themwhere the scripture talked about
how you can't, Paul was talkingabout in so many words, you

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can't judge something that's bythe spirit from a natural
perspective.
You can't approach somethingfrom a natural perspective
that's of the spirit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:39):
Yeah, and we get that a lot.
So we talk about spiritualthings, and people try and come
at us with with examples orsomething in the natural, and
we're like, it doesn't make anysense what you're saying.
And they get so upset, and it'slike, I'm sorry, I can't explain
this to you in any way becausewe're talking about two totally

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different things.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:03):
Well, even Jesus talked about that when he was um
when he was dealing withNicodemus, right?
Saying that you essentially hewas saying to Nicodemus, how can
you understand something that'sof the spirit from a fleshly
perspective?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:16):
And even when I explain to you stuff unnatural,
you still don't understandbecause the natural is
influenced by the spirit.

SPEAKER_07 (01:06:23):
Exactly.
And so my voice is not gonna go.
Um I believe when we talk aboutor when we discuss the seven
spirits of God, right?
Just remember that's that comesinto play when you're operating
in a higher realm of the spirit,you know?
Um there are uh gifts that Godhas placed in us that we

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automatically have.
Um yet I don't know, it's thisidea that as soon as we come to
God, we just we hear.
There's no work that's required,there's nothing that's required
of us.
We don't have to do life withJesus, we don't have to let go
of it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:06):
We wash all our sins away.
And we just perfectly forgiven.
We perfect and we don't gottaworry about nothing.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:11):
We don't gotta do nothing.
We can worry about nothing.
We can cast out demons, we canheal the sick, we can do all of
these things.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:16):
And it's not they don't even believe they gotta do
that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:19):
Yeah.
Well, but the thing is, it's aprocess, right?
There's you have, and we talkedabout this last week, you have
to walk with Jesus, you have todo life with God, and as you do
that, he begins to unlock thingsin you and he began to take you
to higher levels and higherplaces within the spirit, and
now you're able to operate incertain things.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:40):
Yeah, now you're able to go out and do those
things.
That's why when the disciplescame back, they're like, Jesus,
we were able to do all of this.
And he was like, uh yeah,because I told you to go.
I I was I was training you up sothat when you do get to these
places, you could do that.

SPEAKER_07 (01:07:59):
And so it's just understanding that there's a
training process you have to gothrough.
You got to go through boot camp.
You don't, you know, it ain'tfun.
Even in the military, they don'tjust put them soldiers out
there.
No.
You go through boot camp andthen for you to get well
previously, I don't know whatthey're doing now, but
previously for you to get tocertain rankings within the

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military, you had to proveyourself and you had to go
through certain standards to getto those places of being a
two-star general or three-stargeneral or four-star general.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:30):
And it's like, yes, we can explain that in the
natural, but y'all, it's likepeople still don't get it that
it's still spiritual.
It's it's it's the exact, it'sjust a mirror.
It's literally just a mirror.
It's the same operating system,it's the same legal system, it's
just spiritual.
You don't, you're you're asoldier for the Lord.
You're a soldier, and we talkabout this all the time.

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You have to give training.

SPEAKER_07 (01:08:55):
You gotta go through training.
And so John 15, 4 through 5 is agood way to end this.
Um and we've read this scripturebefore, and it's the scripture
that touches on abiding in him.
And what 15 verse 4 through 5says is remain in me, and I will

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remain in you, for a branchcannot produce fruit if it is
severed from the vine.
And you cannot be fruitfulunless you remain in me.
And so New King James Versionsays, Abide in me, and I in you
from without me, ye can donothing.
I believe that's New King orKing James, right?
And so true operation in thespirit flows not from ambition,

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right?
But from abiding.
You have to abide.
And relationship grants access.
And not all who have power havepermission.
And so intimacy ensures accesswithout backlash.
We have to get to a place, andwe've touched on this in a
previous episode, of abiding inhim and understand the

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importance of relationship.
And you wanna you wanna uh bringthis to an end by reading uh the
summary of the principle.
Segment seven, you want to go inand end us with that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:20):
So access to the spirit realm is a matter of
being in relationship andabiding in Christ, right?
Um it's not something that youcan it's not it's it's not
something you can perform, oryou it's not something you can

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fake.
You know, there are realconsequences to doing that.
And so there's an order.
If not, there'll be it's gonnabe chaos.
Like I said, there'sconsequences to your actions,
whether you're you're in thespirit realm abiding in Christ,
or you're in the spirit realmabiding in Satan and his

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kingdom.
But the only legal way to enterthe spirit realm is through
Christ Jesus.
Just because you can do itdoesn't mean that you shouldn't
recommend it.
Without Christ.
Because you listen to all thesetestimonies of ex-witches,
ex-warlocks, and people who arein the cult, and they be going

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through some stuff.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:26):
Yeah.
They go through.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:28):
They go through.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:28):
Because they get caught up in the things that
they should not have gottencaught up in.
And even after they give theirlives to God, they still go
through because there areconsequences associated with the
decisions that we made.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:39):
Remember, this is a legal system.
If I commit a crime, I stillhave to do the time.

SPEAKER_07 (01:11:45):
I don't think, well, we talked about this before.
You can read the life of Paul,right?
You can read Paul's conversion.
Um, Paul persecuted the childrenof God, the followers of Christ,
right?
And even after Paul came intothe faith, Jesus made it clear
that he let Paul know thesuffering that Paul would have

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to go through.
This wasn't just normalsuffering that Paul went
through.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:13):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:13):
Paul went through some stuff.
And I believe Paul understoodwhy he went through some of the
stuff that he went through.
Right.
There are consequencesassociated with the decisions
that we make, even when we comeinto the fold.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:29):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:29):
You know, um, it's just the reality of what it is.
And it's not stating that, oh,your sin has not been forgiven.
Your sin has been forgiven, butthere are still consequences
associated with the decisionsyou made.
If you as a husband or wifecheat on your spouse, God will
forgive you for what you'vedone, but the consequence of
that could be your spouseleaving you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:51):
Right.

SPEAKER_07 (01:12:51):
And they have every right to leave you.
You can't say that, oh, you aredoing something wrong or
whatever the case may be.
No, there's that's theconsequence.
And they could walk inforgiveness as they choose to
walk away from you.
These are just consequencesassociated with the decisions
that we make, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:10):
Right.
Like the thief that was on thecross.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:13):
He was loud, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:15):
With Jesus.
He was forgiven, but he wasstill on that cross.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:18):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:18):
He still died.
Didn't he still died on thecross?

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:21):
Yes.
And so David had relations withBathsheba and had a whole family
line was lost a child that theyuh Yeah, his child was taken
from him.
Went through stuff with hisfamily line.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:37):
There's consequences.

SPEAKER_07 (01:13:38):
And I don't know why people, and we gotta go, but I
don't know why people keep usingDavid as a justification of
their immorality.
It's just weird.
I don't understand it when theBible tells us that we're
supposed to be a reflection ofChrist.
They always use David, yet theyforget the Bible says that David
was a man after God's own heart.
And it was not because God wasuh co-signing on his

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imperfections, it was becausewhen David recognized that he
was doing stuff wrong, he turnedaway from it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:05):
Right, he didn't do it again.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:06):
He turned away from it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:08):
He recognized that, oh, this is really wrong.
I should have not I shouldn'thave done this at all.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:13):
Exactly.
Exactly.
I am so sorry.
But we are going to end here sowe can put this stuff up and get
something to eat.
Would you like to end us out?

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:24):
Sure.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:26):
What do you have to say for the people, man?

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:32):
No.
No, I don't.
We thank you guys for listening,tuning in with us, stinking by
us, hearing what the Lord has tosay.
It's not by our mind.
No, it's by his, it's not by ourthoughts and revelation.

(01:14:54):
It's by his, what he's giving tous.
Also the experiences that wehave had with the Lord.
And so we just thank you.
Yes.
And we pray that this podcastwill continue to be a blessing
to you, and then any otherendeavor that God has given us
to give to everyone else.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:16):
Amen to that.
So until next time, we we loveyou, we appreciate you.
Um, and we will see you on nextweek's episode, whatever that
is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:27):
And we're so sorry.
We try to get it together.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:30):
At the very least, we try to make sure we post
every two weeks, but we're gonnado better.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:36):
So to God be the glory, just keep us in your
prayers.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:39):
Yes.
Um guys, we will keep you inours.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:42):
Yes.
And we will see you next time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:44):
Bye.

SPEAKER_07 (01:15:45):
Bye.