What God Joined Together: Part Two

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to another episode of Stepping in
Faith, where, together, weexplore the importance of having
a relationship with God and howthat relationship with God can
impact the relationship you havewith others.
I'm your host, walter.
I'm joined here alongside mylovely wife.
Shania and this is episode 26.

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I think episode 26.
I believe so, welcome back.
I believe you prayed last 26.
I believe so, welcome back.
I believe you prayed last week.
I did.
So we are believers, so thefirst place we start off in is
prayer.
Okay, father God, as we comebefore you, we are so grateful
for your love, your mercy, yourgrace and your kindness.

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We pray, father God, that yourperfect will will continue to be
carried out in our lives andthe lives of the listeners.
God, we thank you, father God,that even as we speak this week
on this week's episode, it willreach the ears of those you've
called for to reach, that theireyes will be open, their
spiritual eyes and theirspiritual ears will be open to

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receive what you have to say.
We thank you that you are herein the midst, even now, when we
submit to the Holy Spirit.
Have your way, shift thisatmosphere.
Shift this atmosphere even now.
Allow your presence to be feltEven now, in the name of Jesus.

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We pray, lord Jesus, we welcomeyou, angels of the Lord, we
acknowledge you, father God, wesubmit to you In Jesus' name.
We pray Amen.
Amen what.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
It was a little long-winded today.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
I know you're not talking because last week you
had this two-second prayer.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Hey them.
Two-second prayers be helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm just saying, sometimes it flows.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Sometimes they do.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
So this is episode 26 .
What is this week's title?
Do you remember?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
What God Joined Together, Part 2.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Why you had to do that.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I don't know.
Hey, you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
All right then.
So I guess we get started.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Do you remember where we left off at last week?
I?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
think we left off at me oh, we were talking about the
dream you had, the encounter Ihad with the devil at my house.
Well, yeah, there's a lot ofstuff that took place and it's
just not enough time to share itall.
There were a few dreams I hadprior to us even coming back
together.
There was one in particular Ihad.

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Oh well, just context, thisepisode is part two of our part
one testimony you want to listento part one first, or you can.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
You can listen to this episode.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
It's fine but you're not going to know where we're at
Go back to the previous episode.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
We're sharing our testimony of how we met.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, and this is the part of how we came back
together.
Because of everything else, wewere separated.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
And now we're talking about how God actually brought
us back together.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
And when we were separated it was like seven
months.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Almost a year yeah, we were separated for like seven
months.
Almost a year yeah, we wereseparated for like seven months.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
So so, and I mean during the period of that time
and I spoke on this, you know,god was dealing with me, cause I
was struggling and, um, he wasstruggling with the idea of of
you and I, um I, being together.
Okay, it didn't make sensebecause I mean we'll fast

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forward.
I had a conversation with afriend of mine who was a pastor
at the time and he told me Iwasn't hearing from God.
He told me I had a conversationwith him, actually, I believe,
the week after Thanksgiving orthe day after Thanksgiving,
something like that.
The week after Thanksgiving, Ithink.
He told me I wasn't hearingfrom God.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
That we were supposed to be together.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
That we weren't supposed to be together, that it
was just me, because why wouldGod speak to me?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I was a sinner, is what he told me, because God was
telling you that I was yourwife.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I believe yeah, god was telling you I, we were that
I was your wife.
Um, I believe, yeah, god wastelling you I was your wife I
don't know if I had theconversation with him after god
told me what he told me um Idon't think I had the
conversation with him yet aboutyou being my wife.
I think I had the conversationwith him initially when I heard
the voice of god oh, because hewas the only person that I knew
of at the time.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
That was like oh, because you had.
God had asked you why youdidn't ask him.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
About why?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, God had asked me.
He came to me November 26,.
I believe.
And he stated to me you went toeverybody, went to everybody,
you know, as far as you askedeverybody their opinion about
what was going on, when you'regoing to come to me and ask me
what I thought about thesituation?
And I asked him and then hetold me you, I, essentially I

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was exactly where he wanted meto be.
The problem was that, as I wasloving you, I was loving you.
I wasn't loving you through him, right, and so I, you know, he
began to loving you through him,right and so I, you know, he
began to talk to me aboutdifferent things and I had the
conversation with a friend ofmine who was a Christian, who
was a pastor, and he told methat wasn't God Cause.
God wouldn't speak to a sinnerand you know I'm not reading my
Bible, I'm not praying, Ihaven't been going to church

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that's crazy talk it was um.
Thankfully I didn't listen yeahuh, because god did speak to me
and there's countless examplesin the bible of god speaking to
quote, unquote sinners yeah so Imean even with paul I mean,
jesus didn't go to believers, hewent to sinners, unbelievers,

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unbelievers, and even with withPaul.
Paul was religious.
Yeah, paul was killing thefollowers of Christ, and Jesus
himself stopped him in histracks and spoke to him.
Yeah.
And I said that instead ofunalive, but whatever.
Yeah.
Paul was unaliving thefollowers of Christ and Jesus
stopped him in his tracks andsaid Paul, why are you

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persecuting me?
Yeah.
Uh, God gave Pharaoh the dream.
Yeah.
Before, warning of what wasgoing to come, which Joseph
translated God also spoke to umwhat that?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
what's the name of that King that um?

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Nebuchadnezzar.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
No, the one that was about to take Abraham's wife.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I know who you're talking about, but I don't
remember.
I don't remember his name.
I spoke to him in a dream.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
He said don't you touch that woman.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
And he was shook.
He was like yo, I haven'ttouched her.
He told me it was her sister.
So God, do speak to people whoare quote unquote, as you would
say sinners.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
God speaks to everyone.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's just we just don't listen.
God speaks to who he choose tospeak to, and if he want to make
himself known to where you haveno other choice to listen, he
will.
He surely will, because he'sGod.
That happened, and so I thinkit's important to state that.
We went through this processfor about seven months, and it
was a series of things that Godwas saying to me that you are
not confirming.
Yeah.

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So I didn't know.
I'm hearing all of these things, I'm having dream after dream
after dream about things thatyou're dealing with.
So and I told him last week, Iwas travailing.
I was travailing for mysalvation, or not my salvation,
but for what God was trying tobreak through in me.

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I was travailing for yoursalvation and there was
something being birthed for itin the spirit realm.
Yet what God was doing is hewas taking me through this
process because I was notaccepting the idea I would
accept it, but I didn't reallyaccept it because I told you.
I told you the conversation Ihad when I was in the car and

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God told me that I stated that Iaccepted, but I did not accept
that he called you to be my wife.
Yeah.
Because I hadn't really lookedat it as a reality.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, there was an unbelief still in you.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
And so he made me sit in the car until I broke and I
shifted.
I knew it had broke because Ishifted, but then also as I was
going through the process.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
You shifted to what?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
To really just resting in the fact that he had
called you to be my wife.
You just accepted it yes, sowhen I would speak about, I'm
like, oh, my wife, my wife, mywife, it shifted now I wasn't
thinking about, but maybe, maybe, just in case you were speaking
it as it was.
Yes, and so there's a series ofthings that took place we talked

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about last week.
I was using me to access yourhurt.
I remember having visions.
It was one vision I had, inparticular, where I saw you
crying on your bed,uncontrollably, uncontrollably,

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and I was praying and I I couldfeel the rivers of tears coming
out of them.
It made sense.
It was just like a rivers ofuncontrollable tears.
So I know that you had, I knewyou had been through an
unexplainable amount or anunimaginable amount of pain.
But then also I know that itwas some things going on within
the spirit and realm from thedemonic perspective, because

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there was one time I was prayingfor you and I think I told you
I could hear the demonsscreeching in my ear and to
anyone that has not heard, it issuch an a weird sound yeah,
like when you're coming upagainst the enemy and they don't
like it they're screaming so Icould hear the demon screaming

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as I was praying and I I was inthe battle prayer or like battle
tongues, but there was manyexamples and things that took
place that God revealed to meabout you and I was looking over
some stuff recently and I'mlike a lot of things that he
said has been taking place, ithad taken place.
Yeah.
And so what came to mind, rightis when I was kind of going

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over all of this is what Godsaid to, or what the Bible says
about, samuel.
And so you know, we know thisstory.
And for those, those that don't, and that's a train, of course,
right on time, but for those,yeah, but for those that don't

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know the story, um, sam, first,samuel, uh, samuel, chapter 3,
it touches on how.
God spoke to Samuel how Samuelwas in the temple he was by he
was, let's see.
He was in the part of thetabernacle that was near the Ark
of God and God told Samuel somethings about Eli right, and

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told him essentially that he hadcalled him to be a prophet.
And so verse 19 of 1 Samuel,chapter 3, it says as Samuel
grew up, the Lord was with himand everything Samuel said
proved to be reliable.
And all Israel, from Dan in thenorth to Bathsheba in the south
, knew that Samuel was confirmedas a lot of stuff that God said

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to me about us.
It came to pass, showcasing thatfirst, I was hearing the voice
of God, showcasing thateverything he said was true and
even some of the things that herevealed to me that you were
dealing with was true.

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So fast forward.
I had a dream, and in the dreamyou and I both were on the
floor and it was like a bed or acot or something on the floor
and we were in the room.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
And this was during our separation.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yes, okay, this was about a month before we came
back together, um, and there wastwo angels there was your angel
and there was my angel and itwas consulting and it was like
it's time that they come backtogether.
It's like the father wants themto come back together.
So it's time for them to comeback together.
But you were still notreceptive of it.
In the dream, you were stillstill.

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Your back was turned to me.
And so the angels of the Lordmade us hold hands, they made
you hold my hand and they beginto pray, and they begin to pray
about you know, for our unionand all of those things.
And then, after that, they hada conversation.
I'll have to go back to thedream.
I don't remember, but it waslike, yeah, they said it's done.
They say it is done it is doneand so, um, he was still back,

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still term, and I woke up out ofthe dream.
And then I had another dreamand I told you about that dream
with the bear and all of thatstuff, and it was god preparing
me and saying okay, it's timefor you to reach out, because I
had reached out to you a fewtimes before to try to do a date
and you would say no or youwouldn't even be responsive.
But this time, after I reachedout to you, you actually was

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responsive because we had saweach other.
You had your hair cut, justlike I had saw in the vision
that I let you hear earliertoday.
I let her hear a vision thatGod gave me, where I saw her in
the bathroom with a specifichairstyle.
It was blind, it was short,curly, all of that stuff, and it
was.
She had cut her hair short andI didn't even know it yeah you.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I cut my hair in April and I dyed it platinum
blonde.
And then you had a dream avision like a vision.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I think it was a vision.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
A vision like, maybe not even a week like this is
like within like four days of mecutting my hair.
You had, you had a vision of mewith that same haircut, which
is crazy, but we weren't talkingat all.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
And he had, you didn't even know that I cut my
hair I'm just having all of thisstuff and I'm still trying to
process because I don't like.
I'm still learning how to.
Still, to this day, I'm learninghow to interpret dreams and
visions but I'm, you know, I'mhaving these dreams, I'm having
these visions, I'm seeing things.
Um, I see everything elsehappening, like I would have a

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dream or vision about a friendor whatever, and it would happen
, or someone approaching me andit would happen, or something
that took place with the familymember.
And then I reach out andconfirmed that it was.
I was having dreams aboutprevious experiences that they
had and it happened.
So I was having dreams thatwere futuristic.

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I was having dreams that wereyeah, that was present and I was
having dreams from the past,and there's still certain dreams
.
I'm waiting to see it come topass, because it was so far off
in the future, whether it belike with politics or whatever
right, but we came back together.
Um, after that, now we'll getinto the dream I had about the

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snake.
Um, because even when I hadthat dream, I had no clue that
you was going through what youwas going through at your house
yeah, so when you reached out tome, I was open to going on a
date with you, because I saw herwith a hair I may mention to
your hair you did.

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That's different you didn't andfor whatever livid I was livid I
was, I was like you could,because yeah, she cut her hair.
Her hair was super long and soshe cut it and um, you was
receptive, even when I spoke toyou and I saw you back though it
did, but you was receptive.

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Um, even when I saw you in acar, and I don't know when I I
don't know if I reached out inregards to a date around that
time, like a day or so later orsomething yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
It was within that week because I did not want to
because I had other plans forthat week, that weekend, and you
were like no god says you'renot supposed to go, you're not
supposed to be there, you're notsupposed to go to this place.
And I'm like no God says you'renot supposed to go, you're not
supposed to be there.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
You're not supposed to go to this place.
And I'm like, see, I did hearthat you were supposed to go to
a party and I heard that you wasnot supposed to go.
I was supposed to go to acookout or something.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
And you were like God said you're not supposed to go,
and I'm like see, this is whatI'm talking about.
This is why she didn't end upgoing either I didn't, I didn't
end up going for some reason.
I didn't, I didn't go shedidn't.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
I wasn't able to go and I knew she wasn't gonna go
because she was she and itwasn't because I didn't want to
go, it was just I just didn't goshe got mad at me, you got mad
at me and I know and god waslike she's not gonna go, she's
not gonna to go, it's going tobe fine and I, you know, we had
our date and the date wenthorrible, right.

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Yeah.
Because I picked a place and I'mlike God, is this where you
want me to go?
And he said yes, and I was likeI'm there.
We had some conversations.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
You thinking this date about to be bomb?
And it was absolute.
It was a bomb.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Trash.
This date about to be bomb andit was absolute, it was a bomb
trash, it was an absolute.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
The food was horrific this is like this is our first
date after.
It is like an expensiverestaurant.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I wouldn't say five star, but at least like what.
How many stars?
It was.
It had to be at least like four.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
I don't know.
It was more like a three to me.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
The food was a three, but it was not, the food was
like a two.
The price of it was not.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
And so we went there.
I thought it was going to begood, the food was going to be
good.
Everything was horrible.
The steak was horrible.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Everything was horrible, everything was.
We had a tomahawk and it was,oh my gosh, it was so bad, like
it was so bad.
I was like you, gotta send thisback.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
We got into uh, debate kind of disorder.
I remember what it was, but itended up being like well, she
was pissed um and I'm like godwhy are you?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
he had got in his flesh yeah, I did, he was did.
He was reverting back to oldWalter and I was like, see, I
know he's still there.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
And it was so challenging because, like she
was waiting for me to make amistake, she was waiting, she
was hoping that I made a mistake, just to prove me, just to
prove her right.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Because he had been talking to me about Jesus and
and she felt some type of way,cause I will be.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
I'll be pulling up to the apartment and I will be
listening to music and she'slike see he listening to R&B.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
I would hear him.
I would hear like he.
His car was parked Like whatwas it?
It was like a little forestbetween my house, the parking
lot.
It was like a little forestbetween my house, the parking
lot.
It was like a forest and then apark, another parking lot where
his car was, and I could hearhis car in my house.
I could hear the music and I'mlike, see, you haven't changed

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and I'm literally listening tochristian music he was bumping
christian hip-hop and christianr&b and I'm like it sounded so
and she's like he's still thesame way and I'm like huh,
that's why I was like I was.
So I did not want to reconnectback with you because I thought

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you were lying meanwhile sheeven felt some type of way
because my grandma was sick yes,and I'm big on family.
I love, I love.
I knew he loved his grandma andand I went to.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I was supposed to go and spend thanksgiving with her.
No, christmas, I think I wassupposed to go for her for
christmas and I was planning ongoing.
I was tired, but I was planningon going to christmas and spend
christmas with her.
And people who get mad at thisand god, anytime I would get
ready to do something, whethersomeone wanted me to go and do
something go out to dinner orwhatever may have you, or go to
see family or go to see friendsand I was invited places.

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God would always remind me thatI'm on assignment and I can't
go nowhere.
And so I was going to go seegrandma and I'm like, ok, this
is my grandmother, I love mygrandmother, I want to see her.
It's like an hour and a halfdrive away, two hours tops, and
I was going to go spendChristmas day with her and he
told me he's like if you go, youcan go, but my hand won't be on

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your life.
And I was pissed.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
And people would be like that's not God, I know.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I was pissed and I went back home and I prayed.
But people would be like that'snot God, I know.
I was pissed and I went backhome and I prayed and that's
what I did and I felt some typeof way because I saw you going,
doing whatever you do.
I'm like see, she ain't evenhome, she's doing whatever she
want to do and I'm out herehaving to pray and I can't be
with my grandma.
And it was really God reallytaking me.

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My friends were very importantto me and my sister was very
important to me.
Sister was like a mother to me.
I love my mom but, my sisterraised me, so she was like a mom
.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
And it's biblical Once you give your life to
Christ, you're a follower ofChrist, and he will tell you to
leave everything.
Your mother is not your mother.
Your sister is not your sister.
Your sister is not your sister.
Your brother is not yourbrother.
Your father is not your father.
I didn't come here for peace.
I came here to turn daughterfrom mother, father from son.

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I came to separate.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
It's challenging when you're going through it, and I
think that's what I would say topeople.
It's not an easy processbecause you are literally.
God literally took me throughthe process of dying to self.
He would consistently remind meand this is key for women.
He told me it started with meand one of the things that God
was dealing with me on, and Itook some notes on it because he

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brought it back to my memory.
God was dealing with me ongetting things back to how he
initially called for it to be.
Which was the man being thehead, the man being the prayer
warrior, the man being thewatchman of the family, and so
we talked about this in theprevious episode.
We grew up with prayinggrandmamas and praying mamas and

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praying aunties.
We didn't hear much from ourdaddies as far as them praying
and being prayer warriors, andso what I wrote down is that
we've grown accustomed to seeingwomen lay their lives down for
men, when in reality, the Bibletells us, as men, we are to lay
down our lives for our wives, asChrist gave up his life for the

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church.
And Christ becomes our example,and we become our wives'
example, ultimately showing themhow to follow Christ as we
follow Christ, and we moved awayfrom that model, and so we have
a lot of women now that becomethe leaders in their homes

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spiritually.
Yep.
So I would say to women be verycareful starting your
relationship off that way, Evenif you firmly believe that God
has called you to be with thatman, Because my wife knew that I
was her husband but she wasn'tpursuing me.
God had me pursuing her, but itthere was still a thin line

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because I could not idolize youand so it was challenging to be
a part of that Right Um, andthen also like I didn't want to
be in that because it wentagainst everything that we were
taught.
You don't pursue someone whodon't want anything to do with
you.
Right.
So we went through this entireprocess.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
And the thing is also , you weren't doing things for
me because you wanted me back.
You weren't doing things, forinitially yes, Prior to your,
your conversion, prior to yourencounter with God you were.
You were trying to love methrough your own strength, but

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it wasn't working.
And so that's what God wassaying was like you were
supposed to love her and youwere loving her, but you weren't
doing it with me.
So you can't love her becauseyou don't know, but you weren't
doing it with me.
So you can't love her becauseyou don't know me and I know her
better.
Yeah, I know her better thanyou.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
And that's what he would tell me that he know her.
He would say to me he said tome a few times, like when I was
praying, I went to churchwhatever God would say to me
that he knows her better thanshe knows herself.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
And so he was saying to me, because he knows her
better than she knows herself,it's important for me to look to
him on how to love her.
I can't love her outside of him.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Right.
But when he was telling you todo these things, you weren't
doing it because you wanted meback.
You were doing it simply out ofobedience and I wasn't like we
both weren't looking to to be ina relationship.
I mean you were.
After we came back together youwere like I want her to be my
girl, but but initially weweren't like pursuing

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relationships.
I wasn't gung ho on beingmarried again, neither were you,
and so I think it's important,because people they'll make an
idol out of marriage or a personthat they like and think that
they're hearing from God, whenit's really not God.

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It's the enemy trying to keepyou distracted.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
You got to be really careful because God split us
apart but at the same time, whenGod did that, he did that to
correct something and when hebrought us together, he brought
us together mimicking what healways called for marriage to be
a reflection.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, he had to break us up because we were
approaching our relationshiplike the world does.
Yeah.
And through our own lens, wewere trying to love each other
selfishly.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
And we were.
You know, here's the danger.
The world teaches you, and wetalked about this in the
previous episode.
We still were broken, hurtindividuals, both of us.
Yeah, the world teaches you andwe talked about this in the
previous episode.
We still were broken, hurtindividuals, both of us, yeah
and so I was looking at her tobe whatever I felt I needed
within a woman.
That was, uh, just like ahodgepodge list of all of these

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different ladies I had dealtwith in the past, taken away
from them attributes that Iliked, and then, on top of that,
because of sexual experiences.
I was also expecting her to besomething that she can never be
based off of my addiction topornography, based off of
previous sexual encounters I had, because that's what the world

(27:22):
teaches you.
The world teaches you about asexual appetite yeah, and none
of that is God.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Yeah, they teach you to date as many people as you
can so that you know who you are, instead of going to the person
who created you, going to thecreator himself and saying, hey,
this is who you are.
You don't have to find yourselfand what you like and what you
don't like through dating allthese different people, because

(27:47):
you will get hurt.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
And I'm telling you that I don't care what nobody
tells you.
I'm telling you from my ownpersonal experience that going
through this process and I'venever experienced this prior to
this process I can't rememberany previous sexual encounters I
had I um, all of that shifted,that those desires were removed,

(28:11):
those memories were removed.
Um, god really kind of took methrough a process of renewing my
mind in that area.
Um, there were things I stillhold held on to, even with the
previous relationship because Ihad a child.
I deleted those things.
I removed all that because Godtold me to.
Even my perspective of my babygirl shifted to where it was

(28:35):
made known to me that she don'tcome before you, she comes after
you.
It doesn't mean I love her anyless, but it's just order
because within marriage and justin general, it's God at the top
, then your husband and yourwife, then everything else, like
your kids and everything else.
So these are the things that Godwas preparing me for and taking
me through, and it waschallenging because I had my own

(28:59):
worldview and I'm like I don'twant to let that go.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
So he had to break me , because you don't know
anything else yeah.
No one teaches you anything else.
You're like you take yourexperiences into another
relationship.
You take all this baggage andyou base your relationship off
of past, hurt past experiences,things you liked, things you
didn't like.
Past hurt past experiences,things you like, things you

(29:26):
didn't like.
And then some of the thingsthat you didn't like you
probably should like, but youdon't like because of the way
that you had you got it washanded to you like trash, you
know.
And so it is someone loving youin a way that god called them
to love you.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
You won't even recognize it because you're
you're still holding on to filthyeah, and that's what you was
doing, right, and so we had allof this stuff.
God brought us back together.
The date went horrible yeah yetthe date led to us having a
conversation at your house yeahthat really, um, opened a lot of

(30:02):
stuff and opened the floor forus to be able to discuss a lot
of things that we neverdiscussed and find out things,
because she had assumptionsabout me.
I had assumptions about herthat was incorrect, um, so the
date being horrible led to ushaving a conversation, which
turned out to be something thatwas needed to reshift things and

(30:25):
start anew.
We had that conversation and Ithink I reached out to you the
following day to see about ustrying to do a do-over for that
Sunday, and then the Sunday datewent better and I was like she,
the enemy was fighting me andI'm like God.
I don't know if she's going torespond or what's going to

(30:46):
happen.
He was like she's going to,she's going to accept we went on
another date yeah, we went onthe dates that sunday to uh the
breakfast, the brunch spot Idon't remember.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
I know, but we did.
I'm sorry I I'm I my memory.
I had to work on it.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
We went on a date to the brunch bar and it went a lot
better and that's what led Iwent on a date with you.
I invited you to church becauseI would invite her to church a
lot and she would always reject,but I invited her to church
again that night.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And it's not because I didn't want to go to church.
I just didn't want to go tochurch with him.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, so she rejected and I went ahead and went to
church and that's what led toyou actually calling me.
You called me after I got outof the church with what, what
you was going through with theyoungest oh yeah, okay so you
want to talk about that?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
okay, I'm sorry.
So, because of things that I'vebeen through, my past, my, my
memory, sometimes it just it'dbe a little disassociated.
Um, so what happened was afterwe had re-kindled, re-kindled

(32:05):
something.
What's wrong with you?
I don't know, I'm probablytired.
I had a little backstory so Ihad spiraled into going.

(32:30):
I kind of went new age after mydivorce just trying to find God
in literally anything,everything I was trying to find
God and which led to me intoancestral worship, new age

(32:51):
practices, all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
And let me say this and this is going to be, and
I'll let you go, and I'm sorryto interrupt you, but I want to
say this Both of us were inprevious marriages okay.
We were never supposed to be inthose marriages.
And this is something thatpeople would not tell you.
When we were in those marriages, we were committing adultery
against God and against eachother.
Because we were in thosemarriages, we were committing
adultery against god and againsteach other because we were
someplace that god never calledus to be.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah, these marriages were sent by satan.
It sure was, and we wentthrough.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
I'm talking about spawns, spawns of satan when I
tell you when we came togetherand listened to our stories of
what we dealt with.
It was the same type of peoplethat the enemy brought into our
lives to keep us away from wheregod had called for us to be and
I knew kept us in bondage.

(33:41):
People listen to me when youknow that you're not supposed to
be with someone.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Don't get, don't do it because there was always a
sign.
There's always a sign like Idon't, I know, I know it's like
okay if it, I'm just gonna marrythem because out of convenience
and I know if something goesreally wrong I can just divorce
them.
If you have that thought, don'tdo it.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Or men thinking that I'm gonna get married because
she's pregnant and I want to dothe right thing and culturally
you feel like that's what you'resupposed to do.
Do not do it.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Do not do it, marriage is the most important
decision Acts outside ofsalvation.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Outside of your relationship with God.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Trust me when I say the enemy will bring you
something that will set you upfor failure.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
And people will say oh, you know, marriage is Satan.
Satan hates marriages.
No, satan, satan be puttingmarriages together.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Okay, keep you outside of the plan.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
He will put you with someone Play with it If you want
to drag you through filth dragyou for no.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
say what it is, they will take you through hell.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Oh yes, you for no, say what it is they will take
you through hell.
Oh yes, they will take, theywill take you through hell.
So, needless to say, we were inmarriages prior to us coming
together.
That was hell.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
That was hell for the both of us, hell absolutely
similar stuff and it was agenerational curse because we
were dealing with the same thing, except worse, that our parents
dealt with and our parentsparents dealt with.
I am telling you when you lookback.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I had no clue.
After I got out of thatmarriage and converted and God
started showing me stuff and Istarted to study more in my
Bible and I'm like, dang, thesame things that happened to me
happened to my mom, happened tomy grandma, happened to my my
great great to me, happened tomy mom, happened to my grandma,
happened to my mygreat-great-grandma, happened to

(35:33):
my aunt, happened to my cousin,happened to my other cousins.
I'm like it's the same thing,it just shows.
It shows up a littledifferently because it's
different people, but it'sliterally the same curse.
It's the same spirits.
It's the same spirits.
It's the same agenda, which isdeath.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
And you get into that and you struggle with hearing
from God, you struggle withhaving a relationship with God.
You have a form of godlinessbut you don't have the power
because you're outside.
When God brought me and my wifetogether, when I tell you,
everything began to open up.
The flood gates of heavenopened up because I was where

(36:11):
God told me to be.
So even when we talked aboutsowing before, it was because I
was sowing into good ground, notbecause I wanted to marry her,
but because she was who Godcalled me to be with.
So she was good ground for meto sow into, from a perspective
of me being called to be herhusband and her being called to

(36:31):
be my wife.
Before we were brought intothis world, the bible talks
about jeremiah.
Before anyone knew us, god hadalready called this to be.
Before you were formed in yourmother's womb, god already know
who he's called you to be with.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
He has predestined a plan for you.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
He already know who he's called you to be with as a
man, he already know what he'scalled you to be.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
And he know who you're going to choose.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
He know who you're going to choose.
He know how that's going toturn out for you.
He know the hell you're goingto go through if you choose
outside of what he's called youto.
And he know eventually you'regoing to turn to him and you're
going to fall right back intowhere he's called you to be yeah
but continue, babe, I'm sorry,no, you're good, you're good.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I kind of kind of went off there, yeah, but
needless to say, um, we wereseparated and I'm trying to, I'm
trying to explain this in a way.
I'll just start back with thestory.
So I was into some stuff Ishouldn't have been in, but

(37:44):
because of my hurt, because ofmy pain and because of my, my
family's history, um, because ofmy bloodline, naturally it was
bound to happen at some point intime that I was going to get
into spirituality and literallyanyone from my, my bloodline

(38:07):
would touch it because it's justthere, um, and so one
particular night, my daughter,our daughter now that we share,
she would always wake up at likethree, four o'clock in the
morning, and in this particulartime she woke up.

(38:28):
She was extremely hot, really,really hot, and I tell this
story, um, again in more detailon my channel that I'll be
posting to or starting this week.
Um, so stay tuned for that, um,and anyway, so, anyway.

(38:49):
So she, she woke up, she wascrying, she's like mommy, it's a
snake.
I see a snake is trying to biteme and I knew that this was
real.
I could, I did at this time, Iwas spiritual and I could see
some stuff in the spirit realm,like I could see shadows, I hear
stuff, but I wasn't.
I wasn't where I am now, youknow, on the other side.
But I wasn't.
I wasn't where I am now, youknow, on the other side.

(39:11):
But she was like mommy, there'sa snake is trying to bite me.
Oh my gosh.
She's super terrified, she's inhysterics and I know what she's
seeing is real and I couldn'tsee it and I'm like fake
fighting.
You know, and to any moms anddads out there, if your kids
waking up in the middle of thenight, you need to pray in your
room, Play worship music whilethey're sleeping.

(39:32):
If you have children right now,play worship music while
they're sleeping at night.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Play worship music throughout your entire house
Throughout your entire house.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
You want to make sure your house is consecrated and
holy and that nothing gets in.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
Nothing, not just any worship music either.
If we can, we'll release aplaylist, but there's specific
artists that you can listen tothat is anointed oh absolutely.
Because a lot of people sing,worship, but they don't know God
.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
That's true, they are singing from a tainted well and
you want pure, pure waterflowing through that house.
But anywho, so she was up and Iknew that this was real and I'm
calling up my, my family member, who introduced me to ancestral
worship, like hey, this iswhat's going on with with my

(40:18):
baby.
What is going on?
I don't know because I can'tsee.
I don't see the way, I can'tsee what's going on, but I know
that there is a demonic entityhere, there's something evil
here, and so they told me to dosomething.
Even more evil was like it wassome type of ritual or something

(40:41):
and I'm like this don't work.
So I'm like God, like let mepray, I'm sorry I hit the hand.
I'm like the only thing I canthink of right now is like I got
to pray.
I'm like God, help me, becauseI can't see what is going on.
I reverted back to that childwho was always praying, day and

(41:04):
night, because I grew up in achurch, so I was just praying.
I didn't have a.
I never really had arelationship with Jesus because
a little background, my family.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
They stayed away from them.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
My family didn't really speak about Jesus that
much because they wereFreemasons and Eastern Stars.
So we went to church but nobodyreally talked about Jesus and I
didn't know that.
So that's, I can go down arabbit hole, but I'll talk about
that on my channel so thatpeople can understand why I
didn't really have arelationship with Jesus or I
didn't know much about him tocall on his name and I had been

(41:41):
so far removed from God becauseof the previous relationship I
was in for so long.
And that's what happens whenyou're in a place you're not
supposed to be it will draw youfurther and further and further
and further away from God.
And so then her fever kind ofsort of broke.
But she said that the snake bither, it actually bit her, and we

(42:07):
stayed up all night and acouple of days go by and Walter
was on my mind and I'm like man,maybe I should call him and
maybe just to see, like what hewould say and you know, just
kind of see what his thoughtswas, because we we've had
conversations before aboutspiritual things prior to us

(42:27):
coming together.
Like we, we talked about thesupernatural and we talked about
the spirit and stuff like that.
So it wasn't.
It wouldn't have been weird forme to call him and talk to him
about my dream or anything thator or something that happened to
me, because we just had thattype of relationship, yeah, and

(42:47):
so I called him and I'm like,hey, this is what happened.
And then he's like, okay, I'mgoing to come over and we'll go
pray.
And you want to tell them whathappened after that?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
When I called you, Well, interestingly, um, we
found out later.
Uh, when she told me about thesnake, I remember the dream I
had.
I had a dream and apparently itwas the same time they were
going through what they weregoing through what's wrong?
nothing on your head in a dreamshe was talking to her aunt and

(43:27):
she was telling her aunt abouthow there was a snake in my
house and how the snake had Idon't know, did I say it bit
Nyla or bit the young one, andshe talked about how it had bit
her little one, her little onenow.
And I woke up and I'm like huh.

(43:48):
And when I woke up I had therewas a demonic spirit that was
were going through what theywere going through at the

(44:12):
apartment and I'm like what inthe world is this woman doing?
Like I'm I've already prayedthrough my place.
I have worship music playing,the atmosphere has been set.
There's nothing else going onin my apartment.
It's constant prayer, constantworship, constant consecration,

(44:36):
fasting.
And I'm like what is she doing?
What is she doing so fastforward?
She reached out to me and I'mlike, okay, yeah, we can pray,
we gonna pray.
But I called my sister and mybrother, who are pastors, and
they were like well, you don'tneed to go into.
We Pray because we focus on you.
We don't know what you'rewalking into.
You don't know what you'rewalking into.
So they're like we're not goingto let you go there until we

(45:00):
know that God has said it's okay.
And so I told her I was goingto call her back and we're
praying, we're praying, we'repraying, we're praying and we're
waiting.
And I hear God telling me to goin his authority.
And I'm like, okay, I thinkwe're good now I'm hearing God
say go in his authority.
And so that's why I went.
I did not know what I was goinginto.

(45:22):
I didn't know what I wasgetting into when I went there.
So they told me, you know,because they had went through a
process before of clearing ahouse out, and God had already
revealed to her that you weredealing with crystals and you
was dealing with all of thesedifferent things that were
demonic, new age witchcraft, allthat stuff.
So she knew and God has showedme certain things in the dreams
that you were dealing with tooand so went there and

(45:47):
immediately when I tell you all,as soon as I opened her door,
immediately I felt that it waslike a thick atmosphere that was
extremely demonic.
It was different because I hadbeen to your place before but I
was not there, so I nevernoticed.

(46:08):
But, now that I was at where Iwas at spiritually, I
immediately sensed that it was aspace, it was very demonic, it
was a lot of activity in herhouse.
So I went and I just startedpraying, I'm praying and I went
into your closet and I reallylike it was a sense, because
sometimes I can see, sometimesI'll sense it was a sense

(46:29):
because, sometimes I can see,sometimes I'll sense, sometimes
I'll feel the presence there,whether it's the presence of God
versus it being something thatis demonic.
And I just sensed that it wassomething that was really
demonic, especially in that areawhere your closet was by your
bathroom.
So I'm praying, I'm talking toher and saying, hey, you know
there's stuff in the house thatyou got to clear out.

(46:49):
I'm praying, I'm praying, I'mtalking to her and saying, hey,
you know there's stuff in thehouse that you got to clear out.
I'm praying, I'm praying, I'mpraying and I think we're going
through our praying throughouther.

(47:10):
you know, throughout the littleone's room, her room I touch
your sofa and when I touch yoursofa and this is going to sound
crazy to those who know I couldsee as I was praying, I could
see a snake begin to wrap itselfaround my arm.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Right, which is crazy because that's where we were on
the couch when the snake bit.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Baby girl yeah, so I'm I know, this sounds crazy
but she hasn't told me any ofthis right, so, like I'm praying
.
She didn't tell me what she'sjust like, so I'm praying.
The snake is wrapping itselfand I'm I'm praying against
another thing.
She heard me talking andtelling the, saying that I see
the snake as it's trying to wrapitself around my arm and I'm
praying against him, and I thinkshe heard me talking and
telling the saying that I seethe snake as it's trying to wrap
itself around my arm and I'mpraying.

(47:53):
I'm speaking in tongues.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I'm praying, no, you didn't tell me anything.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I didn't tell you.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I didn't know what was going on.
All I saw was lights flickering.
You was praying and you wasdoing all the things, and I was
just sitting there in amazementyeah.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
So I was praying and then I said, the snake finally
loose, loosened itself from hisgrip, and then, um, I got the
release to move on, and so Itouched the sofa that you had by
that, that table, or whateverthat was inside the console
inside your, um, your livingroom and I saw that it was this

(48:28):
man that was trying to hide.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
And I begin to pray and I remember saying I see you,
I see you.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
You got to go to him and this was a.
This is a.
I guess it's an ancestral deitythat a lot of people worship.
In ancestral worship they buildaltars to this deity.
You've seen him in kids showsand movies and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
I had no clue that she had built an altar.
I had no clue that thatpainting that was right above
there was there.
I had no clue.
It was connected because yousaid you know the little one
would go to that chair.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
She would go to the chair by the, by the painting
which I painted, a painting thatbasically was like a some
African mask that literally wasthe same colors as this deity
and I'm not going to say hisname name right now, but maybe

(49:32):
on my channel I'll probably gointo it some more but um, it's
basically like shadow man orsomething yeah um which I know
his name, but I'm just puttingout there so I saw that he was
trying to hide, and the holyspirit allowed me to see him.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
So I began to pray against him too.
How I prayed I just followedalong with the Holy Spirit.
It's not something that I didin my own strength.
I couldn't see these thingsbecause of my own strength.
I saw this because God allowedme to see it.
You get into.
The Bible talks about therebeing seers.
The Bible talks about therebeing prophets.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Discerning of spirits .
Discerning of spirits.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
These are just gifts that God gives, and then there's
offices that you can walk in,and I will leave it at that
because I'm not getting indetails.
But I prayed, prayed.
There was things that she hadto throw away and then, you know
, I did also.
I was checking in with mysister and my brother as well,

(50:29):
so I had someone that was alsomy covering as.
I was going through this, so Ididn't go in this by myself.
I had coverings and they werepraying as well, and so it was a
team effort.
But we went through that wholeprocess and then, I believe you
know, I came to you and I askedyou did you want to give your
life to God?

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah, because at that time I was not a believer,
obviously, and so I was like,yes, this is exactly what I've
been looking for, god.
I've been looking for you,thank you, thank you, thank you
for finding me.
I've been trying to find youand I could not, for the life of
me, find you.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
You were looking in all the wrong places.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I was being led in all the wrong places.
I was being led into all thewrong places.
I was being led into all thewrong places.
The enemy just kept sending mepeople and I'm like, oh well,
this looks, this looks like god,that looks like god, that looks
like god.
And then god showed up and Iwas like, thank you but I think
it's important to understandeveryone.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
if it had not been for me going through the process
that god had me going through,like if she would have came to
me in December or in Novemberasking me to pray and I would
have done, I would have beenlike no you got your behind.
I wouldn't have went over there.
I would have been like you andall this stuff you talking about
.
Don't ever call me again.

(51:46):
I don't know what type ofsorcery, wicked stuff you're
dealing with.
I want no parts.
Lose my number.
I'm moving to dc.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I don't have but look , this is what christ called us
too.
We're not here for no reason.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
We're here literally to fight the kingdom of darkness
but I am saying that I was notthere and it is only by the
grace of god that I got there,and if she would have caught me
some months earlier, I wouldhave been like no, I'm good, you
on your own partner.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
But no, God allowed it to happen.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, and it's, it's, it's just also, uh, god will
remind me that you know he takesyou through the process to lead
you, to put you in a place notit's worded and it'd be in the
book I write, but to lead you ina place to where you're
prepared for those moments whenhe present those moments to you.
So the fasting, the praying,the consecration, this is why

(52:37):
you have to be obedient.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Yes, because you don't know why God is telling
you to do the things that you'redoing.
You don't know why he's tellingyou to go this place, go that
place, don't go here, don't dothis.
And you have to listen becauseyou don't know.
He knows everything.
He knows where you need to be,when you need to be there and
why you need to be there.

(53:00):
Because he's planning ahead foryour future, no different than
you see your child doingsomething.
You're like stop, because Icould see.
I could see a train wreckcoming.
I could see what's going tohappen if you don't do this.
When I'm telling you to do it,you know, I know that the I know
what the consequences are Ifyou don't do this right now,

(53:23):
what I'm asking you to do.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yeah, and we went through, I mean, but that night,
may 8th actually that morningMay 8 8th.
Actually that morning, may 8th,early that morning, uh, shania
gave her life to god and the warbegan within her lord have
mercy.
And if I knew, light and darkwas just they were clashing
because it was so much that, um,unknowingly, you expose

(53:44):
yourself to yeah, but that'sbecause of the calling that I
have because you know, like shesaid, her family, uh, they've
dived into, delved intoancestral worship occultism,
occultism um, uh, all that stuffeverything but then,
interestingly, my family.
We have nothing but prophets.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
We have seers we have evangelists so we're like, I'm
like my family was the perverseversion of his family.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, we have multiple pastors, all that stuff
.
Even my mom I grew up, you know, even though my mom did, she
didn't get it right withrelationships either, but I do
remember my mom praying andspeaking in tongues and my mom
would tell me about how shewould be attacked by demons.
And you know my dad, he, he hada mantle on his life before he
passed away, and so it's all ofthose things that I came from,

(54:37):
but in this, things that shecame from as well, and so it was
a battle.
After that, you know, for likea week or so, we went through a
battle, uh, day in, day out.
Sometimes I was concerned abouther going to work because she
was manifesting.
She was manifesting heavy, andthis is the first this is the
first time your boy seenanything like this.
It was like I was doing shoot.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I didn't even know, deliverance was a thing listen.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
What's the name of that movie?

Speaker 2 (55:03):
what movie?
That when they uh, it was likethe exorcism bro it was like the
exorcist, it was like um, likesome emily rose it was.
It was do it.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
If god ain't with you , don't do it well, the thing is
, whenever demons are presentand they're manifesting, the
kingdom of heaven is here thekingdom of heaven is present if
you see someone manifesting you.
You could be talking tosomebody.
You don't even know why theymad at you.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
That's because the spirit of God, listen, it was
crazy, like we, literally likeshe's going through deliverance
once again.
My brother, my sister, is thereon FaceTime and, um, the angels
of the Lord is in the room withus and she's manifesting and
we're having to have the angelsof the Lord assist us to hold
her hands and to hold her feet,because the demons inside and I

(55:54):
was able to see one of them, areal nasty looking one, by the
grace of God, and it was theface was deformed, the mouth was
open.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Oh, you're going in a detail.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
It was drooling, all of that stuff, Like when I tell
you they probably don't thinkI'm crazy, but this stuff is
real.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I mean, this is for those who are believers.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah, this stuff was real.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
We're not talking about Christians.
We're talking about believers.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
This stuff is real.
But my wife, she can attest,she you know how.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
What's crazy is like I felt like I was in like, if
anyone has ever watched Get Out,I was in a sunken place.
I could see everything that wasgoing on.
I could feel everything thatwas going on.
It was crazy because when heasked me, did I want to give my
life to Christ, I was like, yes,I see God right here.
This is exactly what I've beenlooking for.
But something deep down insideme was like no, don't do it.

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My body started shaking and westarted going through renouncing
the next day and I feltsomething rise up in me and I
was like whoa what?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
is this.
It was a lot.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I was like what is this?
It felt like it was anotherbeing in me trying to come out,
trying to stop what washappening, and it was just like.
After that it was like I was in, I was, I was in the sun place.
It was like that lady just likestarted stirring her little
teak thing and I was done and itwas, it was and it was just a

(57:24):
battle between it was it washard in the beginning because
she had unforgiveness in her, sothere was things you had to.
Oh yeah you had to forgive and II had a lot of hurt.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I would call out demons and they would be like
and it was one that I called outin particular, and it was like,
speaking to me, it's like I'mnot, I can't go because she
won't let me go, and so it waslike this is something,
literally, where you have to beled by the spirit of God.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yeah, and they'll say this ain't biblical.
But it's biblical and everybodyhas different experiences.
Obviously this ain't for y'all,I don't care what you say.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
I'm sorry.
I know what I listen.
I grew up in the church, I grewup religious.
I grew up being a PK.
I know the religious view.
I know the Bible from the frontto the back.
You can miss me with yourreligious demon.
I don't care what you said.
You can tell me whatever youwant to tell me, but I know what
I saw and that's why myrelationship with God is my

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relationship with God, BecauseI've experienced God.
I've experienced thesupernatural and I know God is
real.
I've experienced it since I wasa child.
You can't tell me because I'veexperienced my spirit traveling.
I've experienced unexplainablethings taking place and no one
being able to tell me what it is.
I've experienced the audiblevoice of God.

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I don't care what you say.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I know it's real.
The thing is is when you'rereligious, it sears God's
presence, it sears thesupernatural.
So things that you used toexperience you don't experience
anymore, because people likethat ain't God, that's the demon
, that's a devil, that's youknow.
But it's spiritual.
God is spirit and truth.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
And sometimes when we're explaining stuff, people
don't get it because they'relike the Pharisees.
Yeah, we're literally speakingthe words of Jesus and they're
like this is, this is demonic.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
But prayerfully the veil be lifted from above.
You all.
But we went through all of that.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
We came back together .
It was a process and we endedup getting married super quick.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, oh.
So the thing was, while I knewhe was my husband, like deep
down inside I didn't want him tobe my husband.

(59:52):
I wanted my next marriage tolook like and you didn't fit
what I wanted, even though I hadasked God to give me what he
wanted.
But I still had a list, like Ihad like a mental list that I
didn't know that I should nothave had, and so I couldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Mine was broken and I took all that for me.
I couldn't even accept what Godhad for me yeah, and I mean, at
first I was that way too, but Iwent through a process before
she did right, and so at first,I had a list as well and she did
not like she was beautiful, shewas all of these things.
But like I knew first of all ifI was to do it because I didn't
want to do it I was going totravel the world, I was going to

(01:00:38):
do a software firm dealing withprocess improvement.
I was not going to be tied downinto America, I was actually
going to travel to Europe.
So I had my own plans in place,so it didn't fit into the
equation.
I didn't want to be married, Ijust wanted to raise my child
and keep it moving.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, so I had all these while we were together.
I'm like I know God is real andI know you can hear from God
and I know you're saying thatI'm your wife, but I still have
not accepted it.
But I want to do God's will.
I have not accepted it, but Iwant to do God's will.
I want to do what God wants meto do.

(01:01:14):
I want to be in his will, evenif it, even if it's
uncomfortable for me, because Idon't want to be in this
relationship.
But I know this is where Godhas called me to be, but I can't
see it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
And I had to.
Um, because I prayed on it andGod kept telling me that he had
already revealed it to her.
Um, he told me, even when weweren't together, that he
revealed to her that I was herhusband and I was who he called
her to be with and that sheloved me and that she cared
about me.
Really.
She did and she did.
It was just something that wasdeeply embedded in.

(01:01:44):
And it got to a point to whereI had to.
God had a conversation with meand he's like let me handle it,
don't, don't bring it up, nomore.
I will.
I will reveal it to her.
But, what he told me to tell heris don't focus on that.
Focus on the relationship withhim.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Right.
So I was asking I'm like God, ishe my husband?
Is he my husband?
You're going to give me avision, a sign or something, I
don't know, but, like, I know heis, but I don't know that he is
, I don't have any confirmation.
So while I was going throughthe process of deliverance and
renewing my mind, I God finallyin a dream, because I'm a

(01:02:28):
dreamer, I've always dreamed.
I've dreamed my entire life.
There hasn't been any realmoments in my life where I've
never not dreamed.
I might've gone a day without adream or two days without
remembering a dream, but I'vealways been a dreamer.
And so, even while we weretogether, prior to us coming, I
never had any dreams about you.
Even while we were together,prior to us coming, I never had

(01:02:48):
any dreams about you, never hadno dreams, no visions or nothing
.
But then I got this oneparticular dream and in the
dream I saw you at the altar.
I was walking to you and youdidn't have any hair and at the

(01:03:13):
time, when we were together, youhad hair and you didn't have
hair and you was in a blue suitand it was just us.
It was nobody else, it was justus.
And I was like dang, ok, nowhe's my husband, god, you reveal
it to me, thank you.
And then gave us a date.
We got married and the day wegot married, like was it a week

(01:03:33):
before?
You cut all your hair off andso, literally, he was bald and
he had a blue suit and we gotmarried at the courthouse and it
was just us.
We couldn't invite nobody else,we couldn't tell nobody or
nothing.
It was just me, you, you andGod.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yep.
And people felt some type ofway, because we was going to do
like a small wedding.
We was going to put somethingtogether with a few people and
it was like oh, but tell them,tell them what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
And so I want to tell them how did we even get to the
marriage part?
Because, like, we knew we weresupposed to be together and at
this time we were just, we werejust in our Bibles, we were
praying, we were you know, wewas just really going hard for
God and we were just sitting ona couch and I looked at you,

(01:04:24):
something told me to look at you.
I looked at you and I'm like isthere something you want to ask
me?
And it was random.
We were just chilling, like weweren't even talking about
anything.
I think we was actually likewatching tv or I had got off of
work.
We were just chilling and I waslike is it something you want
to ask me?
What would you say?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
what'd I say will you marry me?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
yeah, that's what you said.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
You don't remember it's been a lot happening.
I didn't have a ring at thetime, we didn't have anything,
and it's just like he like Ididn't even know what he was
about to ask me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I was just like, is there something like you need to
say or something, is theresomething?
Yeah, I listen.
And then it just rolled off histongue and he didn't even know
why he had.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
I didn't know why I asked it.
It's not a conventionalsituation that we dealt with.
It's a lot of stuff that we'vedealt with in our marriage.
It's really been God-ordained,God-driven.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Total surrender, total obedience.
Yet being the case, we've beenable to experience god in such
an amazing way, and so we gotmarried.
I'm not going to tell them mymarriage date, because that's
not their business, but we gotmarried, um, and you know one of
the interesting things aboutour marriage?

(01:05:45):
Because we both can see, uh,and we can talk about this just
in general.
There's nothing my wife can door nothing that my wife can
struggle with, that God won'treveal to me, and vice versa.
We've had to have someuncomfortable conversations
because we still had to gothrough yeah, I had to go
through renewal.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
There were, so he had seven months of and just him
and God and.
God, taking him through, theprocess, taking him through
every every trauma he had, every, every, everything that he was
dealing with.
God showed him himself andrevealed parts of himself that

(01:06:26):
he had to work on, and he wasable to do that that he had to
work on and he was able to dothat.
But it was so difficult becauseI now I had to go through the
process and I had to do it withmy husband knowing everything
that needed to be worked out ofme, and it was uncomfortable

(01:06:49):
because there were things that Ihad that was revealed that were
uncomfortable for him to listento, because it was stuff that
happened to me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
I don't even know how to explain this just things
that she went through, um, andmaybe she'll get it get to
within her channel, but there'sthings my wife went through that
was really difficult and partof just the gift of the office
that I operate in, it's just ingeneral, I see things about
people that it's challenging tosee, but it's even more

(01:07:23):
challenging when it's my wife orsomeone that's close to me and
it's just.
It took some time becauseinitially starting out, I
struggled with it and we haddisagreements earlier on because
I didn't know how to processthrough the stuff that I was
dealing with and I was seeing.
But it was also God maturing meto be able to see.

(01:07:45):
So now God revealed somethingand I'm like, okay, this is
what's going on, you got to takethis to God.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Right and then allowing me grace to, to work
through it, because you had timeto be able to work through the
things that you work through.
And then it was like God wasrevealing stuff to you about me
before I even knew I needed towork on it.
And then you then, once it wasrevealed to me, you were.
You would be like well, whyisn't this, why isn't this gone?

(01:08:13):
Why didn't you give it to Godyet?
And I'm like I'm just a baby, Idon't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
And God would consistently deal with me on the
importance of giving her grace.
But this was really a learningexperience for both of us,
because there's no, there's nobook that we can read about this
.
There's, I think, only oneother couple two of our pastors
that kind of dealt withGod-ordained marriages, but
there's no one that we can go to.
So all we had is the HolySpirit, and I had to learn to
yield to the Holy Spirit.

(01:08:44):
And this is part of the beautyof it is that if, in those
moments when I would dosomething, where I wasn't
extending grace to my wife, theHoly Spirit would deal with me
and tell me stop you know, andhe would really bring forth
conviction, and so.
But it's challenging for bothof us because, um, this is how

(01:09:04):
God has called for it to be,because we are supposed to share
in our burdens yes and uh,there's things that my wife
struggles with, there's thingsthat I may struggle with.
We're there to pray each otherthrough it yes we are our, we're
each other coverings right, andso the grace of being in the
god-ordained marriage is that,um, there's a grace to walk with

(01:09:29):
her through those stuff thatshe's dealt with, and vice versa
.
The beauty that I look at withShania is that I went through a
lot of stuff alone, with no oneto really talk to about it.
It's challenging to go throughhealing when you're by yourself.
It's challenging to see andwitness things when you're by
yourself.

(01:09:50):
it's challenging to see andwitness things when you're by
yourself.
But having her in us, being inthis together, is beautiful and
it's amazing because it's likeyou have a partner in this where
you're like, okay, they canpray for you, they can pray you
through some things.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, I mean.
Jesus never sent anyone out bythemselves and God didn't create
man to stay by himself.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
And I think I would say, you know, now that I look
back on it, I could see like andI think we talked about this,
there were attributes that youhave.
That when I think back on itand remove all of the other
stuff, it was like, like youknow, the fact that my wife's
curl pattern, um, like alldifferent things about her that

(01:10:35):
I'm like I guess I was alwayslike I could see myself being
with, but didn't really thinkabout it because I got so
convoluted by a worldview of,like different things that I
could not recognize that youknow you are were.
I couldn't recognize it untilGod cleared all of that on me to

(01:10:58):
see that you, there's nothing,no one else that would be better
or more perfect than you are.
So it's a beauty when you yousee in your wife everything that
you could ever imagine and moreum within that person.
And knowing that I enjoyed andthere were things that he did

(01:11:21):
that I wasn't comfortable withthat.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
I should have been enjoying, like, the way he
treated me, the way he talked tome, the things that he did for
me.
I wasn't able to receive it.
I felt like I was beingsmothered because I just was not
used to it.
I was very, you know much,independent, I guess, or
neglected for the majority of mylife, and so there were a lot

(01:12:01):
of things that he was doing andI was like this is too much, I
don't like it.
But I didn't know that I neededit, and so in, and God calls us
to intimacy.
Yeah.
And that's what God separated usfor and brought us back

(01:12:22):
together, so that we couldrecognize what it is that we
really needed, which wasintimacy.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
And what we were experiencing without even
realizing it in the beginning,because the reason that my
wife's outward appearance didn'tcatch my attention and I said
it was something inside her, itwas God showing me that this was
intimacy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
The Bible says that when God sent Samuel to locate
the next king, he led him toDavid, and at first Samuel was
seeing the other people.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
God was like yeah, his brothers.
He was like, surely they'reking.
And God is like you judge bythe outward appearance, but I'll
judge by the heart.
That being intimacy, God looksat the heart.
So it was your heart, or whatwas within you, your
subconscious, your spirit, thatwas actually drawing me to you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Yeah, that's why it was so confusing and we butted
heads a lot in the beginning,because, while we didn't know
what intimacy looked like,intimacy was selfish.
It was give and take, it wasgive and take.

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And so now we're at this spacewhere you're giving and I'm able
now to receive, and it's justsomething that just breaks.
It just breaks in me.
Have my husband do things forme that I didn't even know I
needed.
Like I would just be foldingclothes and he would just come
give me a hug and I would juststart sobbing.
I'm like why, what is going on?

(01:14:02):
And I was like and then God'sjust like you needed a hug.
And I'm like I did.
I really needed this hug.
I didn't even know I needed it,but I needed it.
And I would just start cryingand I literally I was just
folding clothes and literallynothing had had happened.
I was just it was normal, buthe would just come give me a hug

(01:14:23):
and I would just start crying.
He would.
He didn't even know why I wascrying, but I mean, he knew, but
he didn't know, and I knew, butI didn't know.
That is, that's what I needed,and so I'm just so grateful that
God brought us together, to behonest, because I did not know
what I needed.
My husband is everything that Icould ever he's.

(01:14:49):
He's nothing I could haveimagined.
He's much more than I couldhave imagined and I can't.
I can't fathom being withanyone else Like he literally
fits me to a T.
He finishes my thoughts, heknows my emotions, he knows my

(01:15:10):
facial expressions, even thoughsometimes he get on my nerves
and I get on his nerves.
But it's all good because wehave the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Absolutely, he would convict us.
He convict both of us all thetime, and I mean that's just the
reality of what it is, causeit's the same for my wife she's,
or what it is because it's thesame for my wife she's.
Everything, um, god is good andgod will literally put you in a
situation where he have youwith who he's called you to be
with and literally they willhave everything that you need.

(01:15:42):
Um, there are things about mywife, uh, to where we are
actually a team, and there'sthings I don't do well that she
does well.
There's things she don't do wellthat I do well, and then it's
just.
It's a beautiful thing becausewe both have the Holy Spirit and
one of the things that Godalways dealt with me and what

(01:16:02):
I've learned to do I trust theHoly Spirit within my wife and I
would always tell her don'ttrust me.
Trust the Holy Spirit inside meand the Holy Spirit within my
wife, and I would always tellher don't trust me, trust the
Holy Spirit inside me, yeah, andthe Holy Spirit has never
failed us.
Yeah.
He has not never failed us.
So you know a lot of the thingsthat God dealt with me on is
going to be controversial.
My wife knows the password tomy phone.

(01:16:24):
My wife knows the password tomy MacBook Pro.
My wife knows the password tomy iPad Pro.
My wife knows the password tomy iPad.
She can grab it at any giventime and do whatever.
I don't.
I leave my phone around her.
I leave my iPad around her.
I leave my MacBook around her.
All of this stuff.
She knows who.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
I'm on the phone with and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
You know, these are the things that God dealt with
me on.
He told me that there's noprivacy in marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
No, literally, there's no privacy.
We don't have any secrets.
No, there's no secrets, evendown to dreams.
If I have a dream that'suncomfortable, I tell them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
And vice versa, and vice versa.
And it's not always easy tohave those conversations, so we
got to pray and ask God help us.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Because, but the thing is is we were living in a
world outside of God's willprior to us coming together, and
that is one of the hardestthings to do is to have to face
your past with your partner,decisions that you made without
your partner Now your partnerhas to deal with the
consequences of those decisionsthat you made.
But God has given us grace togo through that, because we were

(01:17:35):
supposed to be together.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
Which is why we tell you all that don't get into a
relationship without God,because you don't want to make
decisions.
I've made decisions, my wifemade decisions and we have to
deal with those said decisionsthat we've made and ask God to
give us grace to walk throughthose decisions together.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
And so there are consequences that's connected to
that, but God has been good,and so this is all to say that a
lot of things that you'retaught in the world is not God.
No, I'm sorry a lot of thingsthat you're taught in the world.
Is not God?
No, I'm sorry, because we havechildren.
It's not God for you to behaving these weird type of

(01:18:15):
relationships with your exes.
Matter of fact, it's a reminderof disobedience to God.
God has not called you to bebest friends with your ex.
No.
Both male and female, and ifyou're doing that, that is not
of God.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
I know it's not of God because he let me know it's
not of him.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
It is a distraction.
It is something that the enemycan use to turn you away doorway
.
It's an open doorway.
You have to close everything toyour past in order that it does
not negatively impact yourfuture yeah and let's just be
honest, both men and women beout here having inappropriate
relationships with your exesbecause you have a child with
them and you try to get marriedand you try to get your wife or

(01:18:58):
your husband to accept yourinappropriate relationship.
Men, we mainly, some women too.
It's not of God for you, yourwife, not to know your password
to your phone.
She should have access toeverything that is a part of you
because you are now one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Yeah, and then same goes for bank accounts.
Everything, finances,everything.
Everything, you are united asone.
There are no secrets.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
If she's not working and you're the only one working,
it's not your finances, it'sy'all finances.
If you're working now, ladies,and he's working, it's not your
finances and his finances, it'syou all's finances.
You bring it together, you poolit together and what's saying
is because the issue and thereason why it's a struggle,

(01:19:46):
because there's things that Idid naturally for struggle,
because there's things that Idid naturally for Shania that I
did not understand going to thegrocery store, doing all of
these different things runningerrands because I was firmly on
like I ain't spending no moneyfor nobody.
That ain't my wife.
I was firm on that when wefirst came together, but I could
not help but do it.
There are things that I did forher even when we weren't

(01:20:11):
married, and still do, but I didfor her that I didn't even do
in previous relationships and inthe previous marriage.
Mm-hmm.
But it was something that Ijust did naturally for her,
because she was who I was calledto be with.
Mm-hmm.
So when you're in a situationwhere you're with that person,
god has called you to be with,it comes natural.

(01:20:32):
It comes natural for you to sowinto her life.
It comes natural and God willtell you buy her flowers, do
this, do this she wants, do this.
Do all of these things Becausewhen you yield to the Holy
Spirit, the Bible says that theHoly Spirit will lead every part
of your life, and he's ledevery part of our lives, and I
know that God is in what we'resaying, because my hands are

(01:20:53):
burning up and so prayerfully,this is for someone.
My hands are on fire right now.
But in this being the case, it'sreally important that we yield
to the Holy Spirit.
We are where we are because ofthe Holy Spirit.
Yes, ladies, it's not yourresponsibility.

(01:21:14):
Let me say this again, and mywife can attest to it you can't
be Christ for him in yourmarriage, our relationship,
matter of fact.
If you're not married yet andyou are already taken on the
role of Christ, even if youfirmly believe God has called
you to be with this man, youmight want to take a break
because you are going to setyourself up to, you're going to

(01:21:35):
set yourself up for failure yeah, because you can't lead in the
relationship, because what godcalled you do is out of order.
It's literally out of order it'sgoing to stress you out.
There's so many.
There's mothers of ours,there's grandmothers of ours,
there's aunties of ours that'slost their lives, who's praying
consistently.
They're going to get beat up,and it's as simple as this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Without a covering.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
If you have Christ and he has Christ, my question
to you is why are you stilloperating under the curse of
Genesis 3?
But it's stated that you allwill be going head to head for

(01:22:41):
the role of leadership withinyour marriages and relationships
.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
When we are supposed to be operating from the
perspective of what took placebefore the fall of man, after
accepting Jesus as our Lord andSavior, which means now we
operate together as a union.
Yes, I am the head in ourhousehold, yet that doesn't
change the fact that we aretogether.
My wife is right next to me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
We make decisions me, right.
We make decisions together.
Right, we both are.
We've both been called underthe new covenant to rule and
have dominion.
Not I've been called to ruleand have dominion and rule her
and have dominion over her.
No, we've been called to ruleand have dominion together.
I've heard someone say this,and it's very true.

(01:23:30):
It's a triangle, so my wife ison one side, I'm on the other
side and God is at the top.
Right Jesus is at the top.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
He's the head.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Jesus is the head, so we are both on even playing
fields Now from the perspectiveof the role.
Spiritually, yes, God spoke toAdam first.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Yeah, of the role spiritually.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Yes, god spoke to Adam first.
Yeah, he gave the command toAdam.
He told Adam that.
He told him don't eat from thetree.
Adam was supposed to relay thatto Eve, but when God spoke, god
said that he made man and womanand he wanted them to have
dominion and he wanted them torule and he wanted them to be

(01:24:11):
fruitful and multiply.
And we see the example ofChrist and we said this in the
previous episode and one of thethings that I am constantly
called to do with my wife is tosubmit to her and to become a
master servant to her, to herand to become a master servant
to her.
That's just the reality of whatit is.

(01:24:32):
That's what I've been called tobe to her.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
And I'm supposed to submit to your leadership, as
long as you being led by Christ.
Just make that clear.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Don't let your husband lead you to hell.
Right.
Don't let your wife lead you tohell.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Right, don't let your wife lead you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
Don't let your wife lead you Women.
We shouldn't be trying to leadmen.
That's why you shouldn't get ina relationship with a man that
God hasn't called you to be with, and I know it's not easy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Right.
And if you know that this manis your husband and he does not
have a relationship with God andhe does not hear God, then you
should leave him alone and letGod work on him so that he can
lead you.
So we've been talking for sometime we're not saying you can't

(01:25:29):
pray, but we're saying to askgod, be led by god to lead you
in what prayers to pray be ledby god.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
That's all we're saying in everything you do be
led by god.
We are here because we're left.
We were led by god right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
We are here because we were obedient to god yeah, we
didn't create this channelbecause we wanted to talk about
our business and no, we didn'twant to create it but we we did
want to create this channel in away that would make things
easier for people who are not inrelationships to choose the

(01:26:04):
right relationships, Because weknow that if there was a podcast
like ours, we wouldn't havemade the decision.
We wouldn't have never made thedecision that we made.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Yeah, so prayerfully.
This has been a blessing.
We're going to get ready to go.
We ran over some.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
We pray this has been a blessing to you all.
And, babe, you want to end thisout.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Yeah, we just thank you guys for listening.
We thank you for subscribing.
We thank you for subscribing,we thank you for following, we
thank you for all your commentsand you guys please write your
experiences in the comments.
We love to see everyone'sexperiences what you're going
through, how this is blessingyou, any questions or concerns

(01:26:52):
that you guys may have, thingsthat other people aren't talking
about that you think that wemay have some wisdom on when it
comes to relationships, becausegod literally gave us revelation
on relationships.
He literally that's it.
He literally did.
That's what we're called to,this is what we do, and so, yeah
, um, we appreciate you guys wedo and we pray that this has

(01:27:16):
been a blessing and we will seeyou next week all right, bye-bye
all right bye.

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