September 11, 2024 • 58 mins
"Stew and the Crew" is hosted by Jonathan Stewart, the Carolina Panthers' all-time leading rusher, and Jeremy Kelley, Director of Legends Affairs. Together, they invite legendary guests to delve into the intricacies of the game and life after football. Panther legend, Brenton Bersin, joins the guys to discuss growing up in Charlotte and being part of the first era of young Panther fans, his time playing college football for Wofford, fatherhood, golf and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're the thirteenth pick.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's in the two thousand and eight NFL drafts.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Caroen rnon hanf the select. Jonathan Stewart gives to Stewart,
He leaves touchdown. Stewart oh rough tough right, angry, mad
out at elbows, knees. Stewart hesitates, accelerates. That's what I'm
talking about. Fit the spass ball football contain Stuart Knt
running around.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Stewart jump over a tackler at the tenth flows up,
lowers his shoulder, keeps running.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
No one will touch him.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Jonathan Stewart House is it you talk about explosive plays
in the run game.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It's like the fourth of July around here. Right now
you are listening to Stu and the Crew. Now to
Jonathan Stewarts and Jeremy Kelly.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Welcome, Hope we get to have another episode of stew
and the Crew. Co host Jeremy Kelly, I am joined
by the one and only Carolina Panthers all time leading rusher,
Jonathan Stewart, and Brenton's got something. Don't interrupt my intro.
I was just gonna do a woo. Maybe we can.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We'll take some claps, bring the juice, we can do claps.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I like the class, all time leading rusher, all time
leading rusher all time, and Wafford's finest five year NFL career. Undrafted,
born and raised, home grown from Charlotte, North Carolina, Charlotte
Lattin's very own Brenton Berson, welcome, do the same claps
(01:24):
golf claps, and I'm your co host with absolutely zero accolades.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Jeremy Kelly, good to see y'all. Man listen, maney just
say that absolutely. I just work.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Guys, you ever come across, I just work. He's uh
well connected in the NFL world. He's well connected and
well versed. He's got massive hands because he played football
in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, Like every time I see him, we tap up.
You ever seen you ever seen the slap box thing?
I'm not taking part in that. You've done a hand
until you win. Yeah, but you see that. You see
the cats that that do that.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
They look like Julius Pepper's and like you shake his
hand and I feel like a little like a high.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
School How does it feel when you shake Julius?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I will I'll tell you the first time that I
met Pep last year, we were doing the sizing. We
had a sizing Saturday for Hall of Honor. So what
that consists of is you bring him in, we have
the sculptor, get him sized for a bus, get him
size for his jacket with the tailor, all these different things. Right, So,
folks at home can't see me sitting down here, but
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I'm six foot six.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I'm bigger than your average human six five. Right now,
I'm slouching point being just so I can be six three.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
As I'm standing there, I meet, I meet Pep and
I shake his hand like I felt.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I felt like a high.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
School kid meeting child, meeting a professional football player. Like
there's I always say this, there's an f L players,
and there's dudes.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Hall of famers.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Julius Peppers is a dude. So anyway, uh, we're just regular. Yeah,
we got we just yeah. He's just in a class
of his own. But Brenton Berson, you are too. The first,
the first Carolina Panther out of Wafford College.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Shout out to Watford, shout out to.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And shout out to Big Cat the one before me.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's right, he didn't have the pleasure to meet him.
So that's the only two technically. No.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
There was a punter and kicker that played with me
at Watford that bounced around the league for a little bit,
Casey Redfern. Okay, and we were talking about it before
he was here for a day, I.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Think, Okay, before you were after that was with us?
Oh we I.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Think we signed him as a punter, and I can't remember,
don't quote me on this. Either traded or signed him
during camp or the tail end of camp, and then
we was here for a day and I was excited
because it was like two Waffer guys.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And then he was shipped. I think it was in
the Andy Lee trade. I think I remember that now.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
It was either we traded for Andy and sent him
or vice. I don't remember what it was, but there
was a one day overlap shout out to that guy, Casey,
what are you doing right now in your life?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
What's what's brand new in your life right now? I
my wife and I welcomed to beautiful baby girls class
a clap. Okay, so that's s bad. Are you getting
to sleep right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
She's she just turned four months old and sleeping through
the night. Well, so my wife's doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I made diapers have you changed, Well, it wasn't you. No,
I'm not doing anything besides that changing thousand thousand nice.
So I got a question.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So when you and your wife were like, Hey, we're
going to make a baby list of like the things
that people can give us as gifts for baby gifts.
When we did this, I basically wanted all diapers just
like actual I just want people to drop off diapers
and not the baby size. I want the ones and
(05:08):
the two's, the threees because you when you run out
of diapers a fulfillment centers and you need a diaper,
and in the heat of the moment you don't have
a diaper, it's mayhem. It's mayhem, and you know there's like, oh,
there's one diaper left in the trunk of the car
and it's raining outside.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I'm holding her hoping she doesn't pee on me, running
to go get that done.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
So so we signed up for the like subscription, Yeah,
with one of the brands.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We did that the second time, and it's supposed to
be every month and it's every like twelve days. Oh wow,
So like I have to go.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's like your next shipment is supposed to go out
in three weeks. I'm like, we need it.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Now, now, today, today, Junior.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So we're getting we're going through a lot of diapers.
But to answer your question, we didn't do one of
the like some people do, diaper like not a diaper shower.
But the gift is just a bunch of diapers. We
didn't do that. But the best thing we did we
didn't find out if we were having a boy or girl. Okay,
So so for the gifts and stuff, everything was practical.
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It wasn't like a bunch of like pink dresses.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Or anything, right, baby bottles.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
The best item is the diaper. It's like a little
diaper trash can.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Oh yeah, the thing that doesn't stink up your house.
Oh my god, it's perfect. You put like a little
pedal thing on and then it just closes in and
just seals up. Ah. But this and this segment is
presented by Hugging. Can we get a sponsor? Cortery Cotery,
that's the one we use. How do you say it?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I need to find out. And we also need a sponsor. Well,
here we are with a couple of girl dads. Everybody's
listening to and you know what, let me ask this
question because this is always a great question and we
talk about everything on this show, from football to life
obviously our panthers. What is the one quality that you've
recognized or maybe downfall about yourself since becoming a father?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Downfall or quality? What do you know?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Where is your strength and where is your weakness? Something
that you now look back and you feel, I'm better
for now being a father.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And it might be being a father or specifically a
girl dad, But I've never been an empathetic person.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I don't know if that's the same here.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I don't know if that's just being a male or
sports or football, whatever it is. But ever since haven't
her name's and Charlotte, ever since having our baby, I
think that's naturally happening.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's still struggle with it.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
But and especially because you're a girl dad that just
so happened to play the most barbaric sport of all
time football, their makeups, it's kind of our DNA and
our nature to say, hey, put some dirt on it,
you'll be okay. Or we can't hear about that right now.
We've got to focus on the game. We got practice tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Meanwhile, it's your fault she's out of diapers, and now
you're like, no.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Excuses, just results, get up yourself.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Figure it out here we are, Hey, man, you should
just crawl to the bathroom and just use.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'll catch myself telling her like stop or shi while
she's like whining while I'm changing her.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
She's just like a talking to her right now. I'm
sure she's a lot smarter than that. You're a smart guy,
Charlotte Lattin guy. Yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
A couple couple of former former professional athletes out of there, right, yeah,
Daniel right, Daniel Jones correct, Steph Curry, No, you should
know that.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Christian.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, but we're doing Latin yeah, Latin Ross Cockrel correct, BB, Yes,
I played with him. Former Panther, Yeah, former Steeler from
Bill too. I think it was drafted Buffalo, that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Got hurt.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I think he was traded to Pittsburgh then either cut
or traded to was the next team Tampa. You might
be right about that. Actually he won a Super Bowl
in Tampa Bay. Chris Canty can't. Yeah, yeah, he was
a stud. It would have been a top I want
to say, top ten pick if he didn't hurt his knee.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Right, those are the ones that I know. I did you know?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Funny story last night Steve Smith's Foundation event over at
Top Golf.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Is great to see you guys there. That was really fun.
Love It's always good man.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You just get every mad golf his life anyway, Mugsy Bows,
you got all the guys everywhere, Antoine, but they former
teammate from Indianapolis shout.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Can I say something real quick about Muggy Bugs and
another person that was there. I was standing there with
a bunch of guys like y'all and Muggsy comes up.
I'm from Charlotte. I have five Muggy Bugs jerseys from
when I was like tiny. He was my favorite. Him
and Glenn Rice were my favorite players. So seeing him,
I was like a little kid. And then I was
talking to Wesley Walls earlier. His jersey still hangs at
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my mom's house in my room. Those are like my
two favorite people.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Let's let's sit hit on that right quick. You being
from Charlotte, what was that?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
What was it like when the Carolina Panthers came to
Charlotte for the first time? You being a boy and
growing up loving sports and all that, what did that
mean to you? So you were, yeah, and you would
have been what I was fixed.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I was five.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I was born in ninety Okay, I went to the
first game down in Clemson.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You missed the eighties. Eighties. We were two and three
years old. My older brother is an eighties baby. He
told me the decade was vibrant.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Very vibrant too, not a breakdancing Yeah, so yeah, it was.
It was really cool. So my just like a lot
of people are transplants, right. My mom's from the Midwest, Chicago.
Her whole family were Bears fans. My dad grew up
in California and Jersey, but a lot of his family
and then my brother was born in San Francisco, so
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he was a forty nine Ers fan. And that was
during the era when young Montana Jerry Rice was my
favorite player. I have a funny story about that too,
But so we had Niner. I was getting pulled in
all directions as a young kid, so I love Jerry Rice.
Dad was trying to make me a forty nine Ers fan.
Mom's family trying to make me Bears fans. And then
there was a lot of people locally that were at
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the time Redskins fans. Commanders Commanders football team fans, Yep,
that's right. So you're getting pulled in all these directions.
And then it was cool getting your own team. And
I was only five, but it was kind of like
all the younger kids getting to kind of band together.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And be like, first air up, that's your team, that's
your team.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Cool colors, like I feel like all the teams that
came about in the nineties, like I had, like these
weird teal and blues and right Jaguars came in together.
The Panthers horn like the horn horn.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say our colors aren't weird.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
The Panthers, well, I wouldn't say weird, but it's unique,
unique look.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I remember it vividly because I remember I'm North.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Everybody wanted a Panther started or a hornage starter jacket,
right like.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It was the new team. It was the new color.
The logos were cool. It was neat too, right.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I had a Walmart edition of the Carolina Panthers Julius
Pepper Jersey.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Bawling on a budget.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Hey, respect out there out there doing it, but you
had it. I had it.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
It continues, but I may be wrong. Don't quote me
on this because I was five, But I think the
first game was against the Niners in Clemson, is that right? Anyway,
my dad was trying to dress us a Niners gear,
and we remember my brother and I bought Panthers stuff
at the game and we were proud to rock that
and kind of talk junk back to our dad.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So such a really cool and you know, you can
easily take for granted when you live in an NFL city.
I grew up in Buffalo, New York, and went I
think we realize there's some people that drive three four
hours on every Sunday us to go watch a football game. Man,
And when you live in a market that you can
drive down the street, get a coffee, go to the
grocery store, and then slide over to the game, it's unique.
(13:10):
There's only thirty two of them in the entire country,
you know, it's unique.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And you got to remember ninety five, that was the
first year. So we're celebrating thirty years. That's extremely young
for a franchise and a fan base. So obviously we've
struggled the past couple of years and people will start
talking about fans not being loyal and all that stuff.
But you got to remember it's so young that it's
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not even what is it? First generation? You have to
explain it is, right, So it's up to us to
then make this new generation of our kids for Panthers
fan and their kids and rights.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's like, so I'm coaching middle school football right now.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I was asked to be on that staff and I
declined because you are bonus wasn't enough. I can't go
support Christian as a Latin alum.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But we we are coaching middle schoolers to love football
enough to where they end up playing varsity football jv football.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Right. That's the job of a coach.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Of a middle school coach, in my opinion, is to
you know, channel this this love and excitement for the
game to where they decide.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
On their own pure special game. Right.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
It's kind of the same lingo and the same terms
as far as what you're talking about the legacy of
the Panther fan right now, you're talking about the PSLs.
The people that own those are folks that are older, Right,
Who's going to own those next? Who are going who
are the fans that are going to be in the
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stands supporting the Panthers the way that they've been been
supported the last thirty years. It's that it's right now.
We're living in a time where the instant gratification with
social media and all these types of things, and other
teams success the chief we have this like image.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Of oh well be that next year, nah man.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
We got to earn it, right and as fans, you
deserve wins, but you have to part of win. Part
of the winning culture is everyone has to buy in,
everyone from the top of the organization down to the organization,
throughout the city, throughout the entire Carolinas.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
And I'm really interested in getting your take on this.
You know you've seen, you know, the Panthers at they're
very low, very like I mean two and fourteen season,
the one in the one and done.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I mean being a part of it is the highest peak.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And before I want to before you before you answered that,
I want to I want to double back on your
point of a young club and fan base. My take
on this, you have to go through the suffering is
what you were getting to, Yeah right, gott to grow.
Our fan base has been spoiled in many ways.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
We've been to NFC Championships, you've been to two Super Bowls.
I mean right, two? Yeah, so for two, but we've
been to two within a thirty year span. You've been
to NFC championships in recent years. Yeah, in less than
there's there's teams with twenty plus year drafts of playoffs.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, let's talk about who.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So so we think about that, well, we just look
at I mean you consider like the Lions last year, correct, Right,
So when you really think about being a fan, going
through the trials, going through the tribulations with your team,
you got to also, you know, recognize, hey, look, okay,
this is part of the process.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
This happens. There's been there's teams out there there suffering
right now. Don't get us wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
It sucks. Yeah, it ain't great, but it's part of
it all. It's part of it all. It's part of
being an NFL fan.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Go back to what you said, the current PSL owners
would be like my parents that were fans of other
organizations before that. Obviously they came in supported this and
had children that are now my age.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Right, it's we're.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Kind of we're in the infant yes, thirty years, but
we're pretty much in like the beginning years of creating
the long term things, so.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Long term tradition.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
This this is a fun era coming from my space
here watching the the greats and those that have had success,
guys like yourselves, right, the old three teams coming through
and having anniversaries, the twenty fifteen team will those anniversaries
are coming up. You guys are coming into this maturation
phase of greatness and things and now celebrations, thirty year
anniversaries and you know, super Bowl team anniversaries, all these
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things that are coming now. It's a fun time. Yeah, right,
it's fun to look back at and see, hold on
now we were great now. Obviously you want to you
want to you want to continue this tradition.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
It's an intentional time. It's an intentional time for like
guys our age, like like you're saying, it's intensively. We
have to be intentional about, you know, sharing the history
and allowing the history to be present within the organization.
It's a huge time to basically, you know, tell the
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younger generation, hey, the Panthers once were this. You were
like ten when it was for your seven when it
was right. But soon we can get back there. It
comes back around, and it happens for great organizations and
great cities, and Charlotte is primed. I mean the growth
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of the city is immaculate.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Everyone talks about it, like how vibrant the city was
in fifteen during the Super Bowl season. The words I
say is what a time to be alive.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
It was awesome and a mad Just think about how
much the city's grown and changed since then. Then to
imagine going through that in today's Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Now that's you can get excited, but you can excited
about that.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Right for us to be on the side of that,
Oh yeah, right, yeah, you're not.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Actually you guys are you guys are reading free everywhere
you guys reading. Man.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I was going to Morton's getting staked for free.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I gotta I gotta go back to to to last night.
Steve Smithy Van and we were we were. I was
standing with Al Wallace and you know when he saw
you and he saw you and he said, man, I
remember when I was coaching back at Charlotte Victory. I
believe it was is what he Victory Christian there you go.
And l was on staff with Brenson Buckner, another legend,
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Moe Collins who's an NFL legend as well. There was
one other guy. Right, So they're in an NFL. NFL staff,
it's like stew and his crew right now, right, And
so he said, we were a great team. We're one
game away, but Brenton Burston got in away. Couldn't do
nothing with him, couldn't stop us catching passes, jumping over people,
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kick returning touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Said you were a guy. I appreciate that. Big Al
said you were.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
A guy and any any and then he said, you know,
he lost track, he lost track, you know, through our
time and then all of a sudden, the next thing
I know, he's playing for the playing for my team,
playing for my team. Man, So it's special, a special.
But guys like that, I always appreciate stories. Ironically, we
were having you on the show today, so that just happened,
you know, you know, unsolicited, but uh, I think the
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highest form of praise you can have is from your
peers or somebody like that, right, an alumni that recognizes
and obviously got a coach against you.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So yeah, I loved watching him.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
What was like, what was it like when we were
when you were in a Watford training camp and you
every now and then seeing guys like Julius Pepper's Jay DeLong,
Steve Smith, Mussa Muhammad, Jonathan Stewart. Jonathan Stewart.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That's what he was getting to you. I was a
fan of.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
But like, what was it like when you as a
college guy having experience where you're seeing potentially what you
are working towards every day.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
It was, let's just put it like this, It was
very interesting back then. The Panthers would come in for
what was it, two and a half weeks and just
when I was at offer just kick us out basically,
but we still were there. So it was like you took,
or we took all of the training facility, all the
meeting rooms, everything, weight room, and then we would go
be in the like baseball locker room.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
We didn't even have our practice fields, so.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
We'd have to walk like a mile and a half
to like the innermural field where the New Richardson Arena
is used to just be like a grass field, and
we would practice up there doing two a days, and
we could just hear the Panthers practices going on like
on our fields. And yeah, the fans would walk by
our practice to go watch the Panthers practice, and that
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sounds terrible. It was terrible, but seeing hot all all
those guys like walking by because we would kind of
cross pass randomly. I mean, it was definitely motivation. And
at the time, I mean obviously, when I was a freshman,
I was not highly recruited. I went to Watford, right,
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it's a great school, but it was one double A
so NFL. Yes, it was always a dream of mine.
But at that time, I'm like, I couldn't even get
a scholarship to see or Duke or somewhere. NFL is
probably not gonna happen. But later in my career at Watford,
I think it was post junior year, maybe even sophomore year.
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It was probably just a panther scout at camp that
would come watch us. But he's like, might as well
just go see if they have anybody. But we started
having some interest, and that's kind of when it started
to like, hey, maybe there is some chance here if
there's scouts looking at me. And that's kind of when
I was looking at it, like, yeah, that would be
cool to be there one day. And then before we
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change subjects, I have a funny story about all that.
Obviously went to Watford. Had a Wafford sticker on my
old jeep Grand Cherokee. Remember how y'all would stay in
the freshman dorm right there by the meeting room.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It was called Green.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
We would stay at the dorm next to it, it's
called Marsh. So obviously I knew the campus security and
everything just being there for four years. My rookie year
with the Panthers, same car, same security people. They remember,
I think it was Julius Pepper's one year told us
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when we were at Wafford, Hey, you can go into
Green room whatever and just take whatever's in there. He
had like some Jordan's and cool stuff. My teammate got him.
It was awesome. Then we got in trouble with our
head coach, like NCAA was like you can't do that.
So then the security kind of would not let any
Wafford player near Green. So fast forward, We're moving out
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of Green my rookie year, and I have my jeep
parked out front and I'm carrying it my TV out
to put in the back of my jeep, and I
pretty much get arrested. It's campus security, but they're like
screaming at me like no Wafford students allowed and Green
like no, like they thought I was stealing a TV
I've been. They're like, you're a Waffer student. You got
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a plate and the sticker.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I'm like, I'm a I'm on the team. Now.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I had to explain everything to them and they were
it was a whole ordeal.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
But it was pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
How many times how many times can you count on
one hander? Can you count on? Is it endless?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
As far as like how many interactions you've had like.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
That, that's the most memorable for sure, because yeah, they
were about to like you.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
They were like about to call nine one one, He's
on the team. Hey. It was like a thirty inch
visio room stuff. That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Well, at the at the appearance that you had two
weeks ago that you did force at the Verizon uh
Fantasy Draft, I think those those young there were there
was a young group about twenty three twenty four year olds,
had a really cool experience here in the stadium with
our partners at Horizon, and they got the host of
Fantasy Draft here, right, and so you know, a bunch
of bros coming out having a good time and joining
(25:16):
a few beverages and got to have their bent and
Brenton came out to act as the commissioner.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
At least it was school. Well before these guys were
coming in.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I was getting a lot of handshakes coming up to me,
like I'm like, I'm gonna be introducing you guys. This
guy right here like him, I'm like Princeton. I'm like,
go google him. Look at look at look up his
highlight detuceding.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
He hasn't had the golden hair. He came in.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He was tucked up. He was proper, you know. He
looked like, you know, so, let's not change. I want
to talk about that. So we made them run the
forty oh to do their draft warks.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Oh nice, so j can Luke Combs did a couple
of years ago. We're out there on the field. This
was an experience. We stop.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I have a stop watch, he's got his Apple watch.
They're starting on the goal line. We're at the forty.
It's toned off.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
That's right. First guy goes he if you had to
I test them five four? He did. He was nowhere
near five.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
There there was there was he was yeah, there was slow. Yeah,
I clock four eight four. So now we're looking at.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I'm like, what did you get? He's like four eight nine.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Again we got a bunch of twenty three twenty four
year old fifteen guys just came from work. They got
dockers and hookahs on. They're running on tour for eight
no clue for it, right, I'm like, second, guy goes
second guys four eight one.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'm like, and he looked way slower. I'm like four
nine right, Like, okay, we're close. Next guy goes, I
clock four four six. He was He was slow, and
I'm like, what what is? He goes down there?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
What is happening? They had they were had a five
yards they were starting at the five. I was like,
there's no way, but y'all couldn't catch. We were like
just like it wasn't the end zone wasn't painted yet
or something.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
The field, the field wasn't completely It was kind of
transitioning from a soccer game, right type of the deal.
And so yeah, I'm about the same buddies, whoever, who
whoever set it up. Yeah, they were they were five
yards short. They had the lines mixed up. Those kids
had a confidence boost for a short moment until Brent
and I realized it.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
They run again, crushed them five five six two one
guy broke five.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
There was there was there was a guy that had
four nine sticks. All right, that's impressive.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I said, people don't understand how fast running sub five is.
Let alone, you know a four to four, four or five.
If you're running a four to seven, you're you're moving,
you're moving. There's something you're moving a little bit right
for you know.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
He was a big dude too that we clocked at
four eight. We're like, there's no way big fellow was
picking them up, putting them down.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Let's send them Let's send this to the scouting department.
So what'd you running your forty? You were You're feeling
like an explosive athlete.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
You talked about it. So I didn't do the combine, okay.
So it was a pro day at Watford on the field,
not a track or anything. So it was in cleats.
There's so much variance when you have the hand timers.
My strength coach had me at four four eight and
then the highest one was like a four to seven.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Wow. So I'd say you're a four to four eight guy.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I like to say right in the middle, I'd say
I'm a mid prime. Yeah, mid four fives would probably
the fastest I'm not gonna get myself for four, but
I'm not four to seven.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Hey, fur five, I got to say, you think we can?
You think you can beat me in a race? Right now?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah? You still you? You're pushing you two forty with
I was forty when I was playing. They closed though
a track guy too, Well, are we running forty one
hundred forty? I think I get you. Oh we're gonna race. Hey,
I'm putting lunch.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
So I raised Josh Bush saw.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I saw that in the parking lot. Yeah, he slipped
out of his uh start.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I'm gonna get with Jed. Okay, we're gonna need to
work on. We're gonna make this happen. We need we
need this, need some content. Yeah, this is uh. You
can do it on a golf course. Yeah, great, great
grass gets golf cleats, get attraction and then thirty yards.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yes, the white people will confidence boost.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
So man, you you you since since transitioning, Man, you
kind of hit your hands and a lot of different things. Man,
you started the sports that app, you got into finance,
You've got in podcasting with with with Garrett Gilbert right,
which oddly enough I know his father, Gail, really I do.
He was a former who's one of my Buffalo Bill's legends. Really,
Gil Gilbert. Absolutely, he.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Quite a fun fact for Gail because I do go ahead,
he asked question, giving away the answer because we're talking
about Gail. Only player to lose four straight Super Bowls. Yeah,
three with the Bills and then the other one. I
want to say Chargers, but I don't know the other team.
(30:06):
Wait a second, All the Buffalo Bills lost four straight
Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But then it's five straight. Sorry, So he lost four
straight with the.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Bills and then with the Charge it went on to sorry,
that's sorry, Gail, that's tough. So back to Garrett, Well,
he produced, he produced another professional athlete.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Good for him. So Garrett ak glanch is what I
referred to him as. Yeah, why do we call him glan?
That's another long story.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
There's an old Before Garrett came to Carolina in seventeen,
I think it was fourteen, we had a quarterback in
camp Matt Blanchard Blancher, and his nickname was Blanche, So.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
He went with Clan.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
He just kind of reminded me of Matt Blanchard when
he first came in, and he's double G. So I
just called him glanch g two. Yeah, G two fair enough.
Oh but back to Garrett or glanch Dad lost five
straight his first year in the league. He played for
a ton of Garrett played for a ton of teams,
won a Super Bowl with the Patriots. So he went
back home and said that it's.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Not that hard the level of the pettyweight champion in
the world. So tell us about this podcast that you guys.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah all right, So we started it just for fun.
We're really we've stayed close since he was here in Carolina,
really good friends. We started it last fall and it
was just us catching up and talking football. We stopped
doing it. I think it was mid season. We both
kind of started news ventures. He started an insurance I
(31:38):
started working for this alternative investments firm in Charlotte. So
we kind of lost time, which happens with a lot
of podcasts.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
We decided to fire it back up for this season.
We recorded last week first episode. What's the name of it.
It's called The Never Beins. That's right, Okay, there's always
has been tune in. We're kind of making it joke.
Check them out for the Never Been So that's a
that's a plug.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, you've always been in my heart.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I appreciate that that's a teammate. Always been it, never been.
Silence is definitely sure. Yeah, so we're doing that. He
also does uh he went to s m U after
transferring from Texas, so he also does a podcast for SMU,
so he's kind of doing too.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I know Stew's doing this obviously, and yeah, I got
a couple O. Yeah, I got h believe in panthers,
believe in network, and we're part of that. Okay, that's
a good network. Yeah, we haven't leveraged any of the
stuff yet because.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah, we really haven't either, but it's definitely good for reps.
You know, Podcasting is ah, it's a skill that you
have to really work on and work under craft and.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
You're terrible at like scripting. Oh yeah, we're just kind
of going there and hanging and it doesn't work while
you have a guy like Jim M. Kelly, you for hire, Nope,
joining the never Been Okay, we'll talk about right here.
But yeah, man believe.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
And then me and Kenyon Bernard we have Ducts of
a Feather, which is an organ podcast which is basically
centered around the opportunity of you know, bringing in income
for nil for the players. So everything that you know
that we bring in on that podcast goes to school.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
So it's kind of like the starting. We talked about
this some times as far as like how do we
how do you solve the problem for n I L.
And you know, instead of banking on the boosters just
to put up a check and all those types of things.
So what Organ's done is they are creating other avenues
to channel revenue streams for n I L. And I
(33:49):
think it's really smart because what's going to happen is
basically you can really create a media company within the organization,
within the college, within the football program, and be able
to like house all your content for the Big Ten,
for the world and whatever, and you just continue to
(34:10):
pump it, pump and pump it because as we know,
content is key. You have free access to the players, yeah,
and so leverage that and then now you create a
formula and structure to where NIL is getting extra money.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So it's a pretty dope concept.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You've had some great guests, you know, your former teammates
and guys that you were you were you you played,
I mean again, you talk about your humble beginnings coming
from not having you know, big time scholarship. You end
up at Watford and then you land on a Super
Bowl team full of personalities and all stars and the
peak of I mean faces of the NFL during that
time that you were there, right and still many ways
(34:50):
guys that are just highly revered, that had great careers
and so you had relationships with them. And I think
about what it must have been like for you to
be in that receiver room, in that locker room with
eyes like came with guys like.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
TD, with guys you know, like Chase Stu, like Jonathan Stewart. Yeah,
of course plugged for Stu brotherhood.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I wanted to talk about twenty fourteen because that receiver
room for me was different. You had Jerefy, Patrie had
Jason Levant, two guys that's one of the most level
headed like people that I've ever come across. What was
that like in that room where you had different personalities, different.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Age Like, Yeah, I don't want to butcher it because
I might be wrong with the timing of everything, but
let's take a step back twenty thirteen. I was practice
squad that whole year, but that was Smitty's last year
and we had a great year obviously lost the home
playoff game in the second round to San Francisco and
(35:49):
then hurt that game. Smitty was to I think he
played and played well, but he had a knee. I
remember he missed the last week.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
At an MCL deal And that was the first time
that I actually got introduced to doctor Nev Nevin Markle.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Shout out.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Shout out to Markle. The goat he added at least
four or five years in my career.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That honestly made my career right because I had so
many small nagging injuries that like a tweaked hammy, and
when you're like a mubble guy, you can't just set
out for a tweaked tammy.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
After we had a toe thing too. I had so
many things. But Nevin was amazing. Isn't it amazing how
you bond.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I was just going to say, like, I remember your toe,
you had a hang. Now you had a week three bro, Like,
let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I basically broke my big toe. Yeah, Like I just remember,
like do you remember the plays? The play?
Speaker 4 (36:40):
But I remember us being in the training room and
I'm thinking to myself, oh, finally someone knows what I
feel like.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
That was I've had bonding through broken rib, separated shoulder, yeah,
you name it, sprained ankle, surgery. That sprained big toe
was the worst injury because you can't sit out and
you can't take anything for it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Receiver, you're running and you're putting the breaking breaking around.
That was awful.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
But the play you might remember it. It was against
the Vikings. Cam kind of laid me out to dry,
but I caught it and I got flipped and I
landed on my head.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Head.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I saw and I landed on my head. You should
have stuck the landing.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, and my legs. My legs spun around and the
toe jammed into the turf perfectly. So I'm laying I'm
like landing on the ground. Everyone thinks I'm concussed, right
because I'm just landing on my head. But I'm laying
on the ground like I think I just broke my toe.
So they like kind of stopped the game.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
R V. The old trainer comes out. He's like trying
to do the concussion. I'm like, my head's fine, it's
my toe, And he was like what what they were
like getting the tent ready and everything. Oh, he's lost
as he's lots of marbles.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I think I'd just sign your helmet from you. I
just I started counting backwards by seven because that's always
what they asked. Before he asked. That was like one
hundred ninety three, eighty six, seventy nine whatever. It was like,
the head's fine, yeah, please look at my I I
how to count.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It was like, please, don't I need treatment on my toe.
Let's not waste time on the concussion protocol.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
But you caught it. I did respect. Yep, that's it.
I love this.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So so you were saying, you know you're in the
student You're in a room with Smitty, You're in with Jericho,
Jason Levon, these guys that are season well known.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah. So it was Smitty, Brandon, LaFell, Lafel.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Who else was Dominique Kison HARMANI for a little bit
in thirteen, and then it was it was basically white
clean right. Smitty left, We cut him, he went to
Baltimore and we drafted Kelvin Benjamin first round, and then
we signed Jason Levon. I think it was from Philly
m hm ja Co from Pittsburgh for the two Vets,
(39:04):
and it was just a whole new room. It was
completely different. We we had Marvin McNutt from the year
before who was Tavares King. He was there, so they
were in there in camp. So it was pretty much
like obviously Jco and Levant were the vets. Kelvin was
new and obviously going to be our number one pretty
(39:27):
much as a first round pick, and it was kind
of like a bunch of US bubble guys battling Kilo
Plaris battling for kind of those last like one or
two spots. But like you said, Jericho got I don't have.
We could spend hours talking about how awesome of a
person he is and teammate and coach. She ended up
(39:48):
coaching me after he was assistant here. He was unbelievable.
Shout out to him too. He's head coach Limestone Limestone, Yeah, HBC.
You now he had a great podcast on NFL players
Second ass podcast. Saw that, so you can go check
that out with Roman Harper, Peanut tillmy all teammates.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
When you when you're on a bubble like that, what
was what's your mindset thirty in and day out? Well,
we touched on earlier. Stay healthy. Availability is the best ability.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Correct stay healthy, shut up and do your job. So
when you're young, especially when we're we're Smitty, I would
just sit in the back of the meeting room and
say yes sir to everybody and just do exactly what
the vets say and what the coach would say.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
You hear that, young youngsters.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I think that's why Smitty Smitty would refer to me
as the I forget the term, but I was basically
a rookie, but like the head rookie, even when I
was a third year guy or the second year guy. Yeah,
he was just like he's like, I don't trust anything,
burst and go do this.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I'll just do it.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
That's a really good That was just a label there,
because it's really he's saying like, here, here are the keys.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I trust you.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
He respected us, and that's how you really earn a
spot on any team if you can trust someone.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Here, here are the keys. Man, I'm out of town.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Make sure the dogs fit, make sure nobody get in trouble,
make sure they do their job, and when your numbers called,
just be ready.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
The head rookie and charge. So is that obviously we
said stay healthy and then be able be flexible.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Right, So at receiver and a bubble guy at receiver specifically,
I was able to play any spot and I also
learned the full offense to where I could even play why,
which was tight end. I wasn't playing tight end, but
if they needed someone to run the play, which is
a pass play, you can plug in and do that
and h right, So like if we had to go
(41:47):
five wide, I would be the receiver that would go in.
So being able to Jordan Matthews the room shout out
to him, Yeah doing it. So flexibility and then past that. Obviously,
special teams was the ticket for a guy like that. Right,
so I played where again, you need a wing, I'll
play wing you need to. I hadn't caught a punt
(42:09):
since Wafford and put you there. Yeah, Philip, maybe in
practice a little. I was nowhere on the depth chart.
Philly got knocked out in fourteen at Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Got hurt. We're down. You scored your touchdown on that game? Yeah,
DA shout out nice little was supposed to be a
run play and he threw me a slant. I love
da shout out D. But get him back, get him
would be.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Da.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
We're gonna get you on the We're gonna get you
on the cast.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Great golfer. Too great, it's a mile. But yeah, they
just threw me in a pup. Hey because we were
down like four touchdowns. Hey, go return these punts. I'm
like what, Yeah, yes, sir, go out there. We got
averaged like fifteen on two.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Also the ultimate form of trust you are catching punts. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I had a quick story when I was in Indianapolis,
very first game against oddly enough, the Buffalo Bills, and uh,
you're in your locker pre game right, going through the
game program whatnot.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
So naturally this is my first like game action.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
So I'm I'm I'm flipping through the pages right, just reading,
and I want to see my player profile, right, so
I pulled up looking stats.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
One punt returned seventeen yards. Let's go. I ain't never
caught a punt in my life. Take the seventeen yards.
I don't know that they just credited it.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Maybe did you pick up I've nope, not not. I
mean I've blocked many punts. Like, that's where I'm That's
where I was. I was just put me in there.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I'm going to get it. I ain't got nothing to
do for you. Back there.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I might catch it, but it takes you know, I
got you know, long straws is it's gonna take me
a while get going.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I ain't gonna be doing that. So anyways, I did
a lot. I did a lot of fair catching. So
guys do as we need the possession of the ball.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's a gift. It's a gift. It's a gift. So
shout out to you man being flexible.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Which I will say punt return was never an interest
of mine, but I played baseball in high school and
anyone that wants to be a punt returner, I highly
recommend catching fly balls in baseball. It's very, very similar.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
So Birse, I saw an interesting stat line that I
know that you're aware of. The stat says that ever
since twenty fourteen, the Carolina Panthers seventeen, well.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Ever since twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen until seventeen, when you
were on the Panthers and they let you go, things
kind of went downhill.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
What's up with that?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Man?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
That's kind of my running joke amongst my friend group.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
I just kind of the stat line is actually out
there now. Somebody I've been saying, I've been Internet and.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Then I got tagged on Instagram. A couple of days ago,
one of the fan accounts, the news accounts tag made that.
That's where you saw it. I'm assuming, all right, maybe
we can give him one day.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
It's demo. Let's see what we make it. Maybe we
can get you a one day contract to make this thing. Right. Well,
we got him in. We'll take this as the first step.
We got them back and in the booth he's in.
I can run sub four eight in our race. Maybe, yeah,
maybe this can be a tryout. I can go fair,
catch some punts. Yeah like that. Returning, talk talk to
us about the new the new venture that you're working
(45:39):
on right now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
So we worked on a fantasy sports app, me and
a co founder of mine in All Sports, and it
kind of links back to what you were talking about
with organ We're pivoting it to focus on fantasy golf,
specifically golf, which you're you can talk about that too.
You're getting into that.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
We need to, Yeah, we'll get up.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
But what it's turned into is running fantasy golf contests
for organizations looking to raise money for a cost. So
it could be a nonprofit charity foundation, but NILS has
been a big thing. So you kind of organ might
be different because it's a bigger school, but a lot
of schools, majority, if not all, of the NILE money
(46:27):
is going to basketball and football, right, and I've also
heard women's basketball too, which is third. But all these
other sports which we all know universities and colleges have
a ton of different sports, from track and field to lacrosse, golf, right,
men's and women's, they're not getting any of that money,
and they're all already behind the curb in terms of
(46:49):
scholarship money from the school itself. So it's a way
to run a fantasy golf contest, almost like a fifty
to fifty raffle ticket to raise money. The money would
go to prizes within the contest. The other half goes
directly to the NIL right, and they're in charge of
where that would go. But the idea would be to
(47:10):
help the golf program, right, whether that's facilities or recruiting,
or maybe creating a new scholarship through that. But back
to your point with the podcast being kind of a
supplemental revenue stream for these schools or nils, this is
another avenue, right, It's another way for them to passively
raise money and interact and engage. Yeah, kind of what
(47:32):
they're following.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
And it's a good way to create awareness of the fact,
right because when people here INIL it's such a loose term.
It's like what is that you know, Like you want
the kids to have money? Well, this is why, you know,
and this is what it should look like. It's like
an educational opportunity.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
It's one step back too.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
I think when people hear scholarship, they automatically think that
every athlete is getting the same thing, or received a
full scholarship or just got everything paid for. But we know,
especially being we get I could say, like Oregon, good chance,
a lot of your scholarship programs are getting taken care
of across the world. At small one DOUAA schools, Wafford
(48:15):
University of Maine, every scholarship is not the same across
the board, and right these kids are expected to stay
on campus for summertime and or eating hot dogs and eggs, right,
Like you're surviving and.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
You're what I've learned and I learned the hard way.
Have a quick story.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
At Wawford they construct these end quotes full rides. I'm
there on a full ride for football, right, but behind
the scenes it's like sixty percent from athletic endowment and
forty percent from the educational department or I mean it
could even they find a way, right, So I was
under a full ride. But sophomore year, I think it
(48:53):
was first semester sophomore year, I slipped to a two
nine to nine. Sorry mom, but the GPA got a
little low and I got an automated email saying my
scholarship was in jeopardy, and I was. I went to
the head coach.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
I was like, what is this about? He never They
probably did tell me. I was eighteen when I signed whatever,
But he's.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Like, technically half your scholarship's academic and you have to
maintain a three point zero or above.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
He's like, but we'll figure it out. He's like, just
stop getting version. Almost never was. Yeah, they almost had
to leave education. I figured it figured it out.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I feel like everybody in college kind of has that
one semester where you flirting with it.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I was never a Watford's, a liberal or art school.
I was never an English history, like that was not
my thing. I was a maths guy.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, so that that semester was like history, English, Art, music.
There was not a single math course wasn't your thing.
You didn't have any interesting I think.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
The best you know, the best or my best grade
was like a B in chemistry. Oh wow, that's pretty
good in chemistry. And that was Yeah, that was probably
the hardest class for yeah, other people. But are you
following the Carolina Panthers much recently? I tried to. I
watched the game Sunday. You said not to.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
No, it was I played offense right, so and I
might I think we kicked off and they'd scored immediately,
right or did we have the ball first? I think
we kicked off and they went down. Was it che
scored on the post? Was that the first touchdown?
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (50:42):
So they went up quick, which is never good when
you're from behind at the dome. So I'm like, all right,
I'm interested to see how this offense looks right new
coach Brice fresh start first play which I don't mind,
quick game if not short intermediate.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
It looked like.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Dig on the side, short dig, maybe a post by feeling.
I forget who over the top right? So like sixty
eight or whatever you want to call it. It wasn't
wide open it but it was NFL open, yes, and
it was just nope, not to my eye, no pressure
in just a miss throw on a simple opening. Obviously
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that play was scripted. I'm going to assume like this
is what we're going to go to start the game.
He knows the rea, he just missed the throw, and
I don't. I mean, there's nerves and there's everything, but
that was not and it's a pick.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Immediately, as a former player, as a former receiver, having
the connections with you know, your quarterbacks, what could you
tell us just from like a fan perspective of what
they could have been going through so.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
This and I am always an optimist, so I immediately
was getting text from my friends that are fans right.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
What's going on? Oh my god, it's happening again, like
all negative. Right.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
I immediately go to the defense of either Bryce or
just the play. We don't know as a fan, you
don't know what the call was. You don't know what
the route was supposed to be. Yes, you know that
he was running a dick right, and clearly that was
probably the play call based on the post on the backside,
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but you don't he squared it off Deontay I think
was the receiver he squared it off at it looked ten.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yards of the yard.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
For all we know, is supposed to supposed to be
a speed cut at twelve to fifteen. I have no
idea what that route was supposed to be. Obviously he
had manned, so maybe he cut it short. Bryce should
hit it on his body. You should see that. But
for all we know, it could have been on the receiver, right,
I'm going to assume it wasn't because I'm a receiver,
because we don't know as the fans, so I don't
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the details, the intricacies, and.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
As bad as never as good as it seems until
you watch film. And I watched the twenty two.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Watch I love it. Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
It's hard to watch as a receiver because you can't
see the coverages. Yeah, you can't see the route.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
On regular They still they have both views, they have both,
Yeah they do. They's just like watching film, like if
you were that's right. But because one of the things
I saw was like the past protection, right, I'm like, man,
how you can hit up inside the head but as dB, right,
but if you actually look like at what's happening from
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that that visual, I'm thinking to myself, Oh well, we
just missed a call.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
We got to get the running back over there. We
got it four week right, and the running back went
to the right. Yeah, what did I see that? Yes,
I know you see that.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
And so like there's little things like that as far
as communication, and I want to I wanted to bring
this up because if anyone's listening right now, these are
all fixable things.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
It's all fixable. It's not like we communication we had
everyone's gonna have a bad day.
Speaker 4 (54:03):
We just had a really bad bad day and they
had a really really good day because they were able
to be effective on capitalizing unarm mistakes.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
So I just wanted to bring that up because I
know you are still tuned in. I'm still tuned in
a lot of you know Panther, you know Vets, We're
tuned into this thing because I think this organization is
very special to us from the standpoint that it is new.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
I can promise you today because I got I get
the phone blows up. Yeah right, good bad and otherwise,
yeah right, good bad and otherwise. But but you're sure
right the details that go into it, when you're talking
about protections, it's not that guys up front can't do
it right, that's that communication called do you know how
loud it is playing there? And you can say again,
no excuse to this and that, But this is the
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first time that this team's taking the field together as
a unit in a live action in the dome.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Don't in the dome?
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Right, And I always I always say this, right, And
I think we've talked about this before Week one. You
don't know, especially now with preseason. You're not seeing starters,
you're not knowing what teams are going to bring out,
you're seeing limited playbooks.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
When you come out week one. It is about momentum.
And if you get.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Behind the sticks, and you get behind with a pick
and a touchdown early in New Orleans, you have lost
your momentum. So to get back up, you're pushing a
bowlder uphill. Now you gotta almost be perfect. You have
to almost be perfect in that sense. And if you don't, yes,
the other team is likely going to find a way
to capitalize on it in that environ.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
And it takes a long It takes longer for an
offense to no question, to take things together out the gate,
let alone the first game a division opponent, new coaching staff,
you got all these things working against you, and so
it takes a while for an offense to come together
because the defense, I mean our defense, they've been running
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the same defense since last.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Year, so they are a little bit more prepared. We
don't need to get to the defense. But what I'll
say is.
Speaker 4 (56:02):
There's still a chance to create our own momentum. And
we've seen it happen in history. In football twenty eighteen, Houston,
Texas started off own. For guess who who Guess who
ended up in the playoffs. I mean you can point
the Kansas City Chiefs. City Chiefs teams low starts find
a way, right, So you know, I think at the
(56:22):
end of the day, everybody take a deep breath.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
That's not over reality. It's football. Is the NFL there
on scholarship to want to find a way.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
When we got we got Brenton Burson in the house. Man,
thank you for coming by. Sharon d Us what you got.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Going on in your life, It's good to see you around. Man.
Golf is life. We got to get out on the
golf course. All three of us keep talking about it.
Speaker 4 (56:43):
Yeah, we talk about it, but we're gonna get listeners.
Probably man forgetting they don't golf.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
You see his swing yesterday. I didn't. Here we go,
no nice, here we go. Oh you got a nice
one and give him a compliment and he took it
as a backhanded compliment. Now, no, Jeremy and golf, when.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
You're it's like the Indos swing six six long, nice,
like whippy little, good tempo.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Once we get the town, once we get the once
we once we really get some reps, we'll be all right.
I need I need to be swinging the sticks like
Wessey Walls. That's a guy, right, that's.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Them. It's like Wesley is just an athlete.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
You can tell by the way he I mean, he's
fifty something years old and he gets out there like
he's like it's nothing, and the ball goes a mile
on a beautiful four yard drawl. Ready down to We
got set up there it is. Let's do it and
make a Brenton, great to have you in the building.
As my headphones fall off, what's going on here? And
I got excited about golf. Great to have you in man.
(57:40):
Thanks for me, Yeah, thanks for thanks for tuning in
to stew and the crew. Another episode, another episode. Uh
excited for the rest of the.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Well, see you this week. Panthers Chargers at the Bank
bounce Back bounce Back Game,
We're the thirteenth pick.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
It's in the two thousand and eight NFL drafts.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Caroen rnon hanf the select. Jonathan Stewart gives to Stewart,
He leaves touchdown. Stewart oh rough tough right, angry, mad
out at elbows, knees. Stewart hesitates, accelerates. That's what I'm
talking about. Fit the spass ball football contain Stuart Knt
running around.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Stewart jump over a tackler at the tenth flows up,
lowers his shoulder, keeps running.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
No one will touch him.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Jonathan Stewart House is it you talk about explosive plays
in the run game.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It's like the fourth of July around here. Right now
you are listening to Stu and the Crew. Now to
Jonathan Stewarts and Jeremy Kelly.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Welcome, Hope we get to have another episode of stew
and the Crew. Co host Jeremy Kelly, I am joined
by the one and only Carolina Panthers all time leading rusher,
Jonathan Stewart, and Brenton's got something. Don't interrupt my intro.
I was just gonna do a woo. Maybe we can.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
We'll take some claps, bring the juice, we can do claps.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I like the class, all time leading rusher, all time
leading rusher all time, and Wafford's finest five year NFL career. Undrafted,
born and raised, home grown from Charlotte, North Carolina, Charlotte
Lattin's very own Brenton Berson, welcome, do the same claps
(01:24):
golf claps, and I'm your co host with absolutely zero accolades.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Jeremy Kelly, good to see y'all. Man listen, maney just
say that absolutely. I just work.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Guys, you ever come across, I just work. He's uh
well connected in the NFL world. He's well connected and
well versed. He's got massive hands because he played football
in the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, Like every time I see him, we tap up.
You ever seen you ever seen the slap box thing?
I'm not taking part in that. You've done a hand
until you win. Yeah, but you see that. You see
the cats that that do that.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
They look like Julius Pepper's and like you shake his
hand and I feel like a little like a high.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
School How does it feel when you shake Julius?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I will I'll tell you the first time that I
met Pep last year, we were doing the sizing. We
had a sizing Saturday for Hall of Honor. So what
that consists of is you bring him in, we have
the sculptor, get him sized for a bus, get him
size for his jacket with the tailor, all these different things. Right, So,
folks at home can't see me sitting down here, but
(02:37):
I'm six foot six.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I'm bigger than your average human six five. Right now,
I'm slouching point being just so I can be six three.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
As I'm standing there, I meet, I meet Pep and
I shake his hand like I felt.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I felt like a high.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
School kid meeting child, meeting a professional football player. Like
there's I always say this, there's an f L players,
and there's dudes.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Hall of famers.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Julius Peppers is a dude. So anyway, uh, we're just regular. Yeah,
we got we just yeah. He's just in a class
of his own. But Brenton Berson, you are too. The first,
the first Carolina Panther out of Wafford College.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Shout out to Watford, shout out to.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And shout out to Big Cat the one before me.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's right, he didn't have the pleasure to meet him.
So that's the only two technically. No.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
There was a punter and kicker that played with me
at Watford that bounced around the league for a little bit,
Casey Redfern. Okay, and we were talking about it before
he was here for a day, I.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Think, Okay, before you were after that was with us?
Oh we I.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Think we signed him as a punter, and I can't remember,
don't quote me on this. Either traded or signed him
during camp or the tail end of camp, and then
we was here for a day and I was excited
because it was like two Waffer guys.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
And then he was shipped. I think it was in
the Andy Lee trade. I think I remember that now.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
It was either we traded for Andy and sent him
or vice. I don't remember what it was, but there
was a one day overlap shout out to that guy, Casey,
what are you doing right now in your life?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
What's what's brand new in your life right now? I
my wife and I welcomed to beautiful baby girls class
a clap. Okay, so that's s bad. Are you getting
to sleep right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:32):
She's she just turned four months old and sleeping through
the night. Well, so my wife's doing a great job.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I made diapers have you changed, Well, it wasn't you. No,
I'm not doing anything besides that changing thousand thousand nice.
So I got a question.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
So when you and your wife were like, Hey, we're
going to make a baby list of like the things
that people can give us as gifts for baby gifts.
When we did this, I basically wanted all diapers just
like actual I just want people to drop off diapers
and not the baby size. I want the ones and
(05:08):
the two's, the threees because you when you run out
of diapers a fulfillment centers and you need a diaper,
and in the heat of the moment you don't have
a diaper, it's mayhem. It's mayhem, and you know there's like, oh,
there's one diaper left in the trunk of the car
and it's raining outside.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I'm holding her hoping she doesn't pee on me, running
to go get that done.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
So so we signed up for the like subscription, Yeah,
with one of the brands.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We did that the second time, and it's supposed to
be every month and it's every like twelve days. Oh wow,
So like I have to go.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
It's like your next shipment is supposed to go out
in three weeks. I'm like, we need it.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Now, now, today, today, Junior.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So we're getting we're going through a lot of diapers.
But to answer your question, we didn't do one of
the like some people do, diaper like not a diaper shower.
But the gift is just a bunch of diapers. We
didn't do that. But the best thing we did we
didn't find out if we were having a boy or girl. Okay,
So so for the gifts and stuff, everything was practical.
(06:22):
It wasn't like a bunch of like pink dresses.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Or anything, right, baby bottles.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
The best item is the diaper. It's like a little
diaper trash can.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Oh yeah, the thing that doesn't stink up your house.
Oh my god, it's perfect. You put like a little
pedal thing on and then it just closes in and
just seals up. Ah. But this and this segment is
presented by Hugging. Can we get a sponsor? Cortery Cotery,
that's the one we use. How do you say it?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I need to find out. And we also need a sponsor. Well,
here we are with a couple of girl dads. Everybody's
listening to and you know what, let me ask this
question because this is always a great question and we
talk about everything on this show, from football to life
obviously our panthers. What is the one quality that you've
recognized or maybe downfall about yourself since becoming a father?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Downfall or quality? What do you know?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Where is your strength and where is your weakness? Something
that you now look back and you feel, I'm better
for now being a father.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
And it might be being a father or specifically a
girl dad, But I've never been an empathetic person.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I don't know if that's the same here.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I don't know if that's just being a male or
sports or football, whatever it is. But ever since haven't
her name's and Charlotte, ever since having our baby, I
think that's naturally happening.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's still struggle with it.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
But and especially because you're a girl dad that just
so happened to play the most barbaric sport of all
time football, their makeups, it's kind of our DNA and
our nature to say, hey, put some dirt on it,
you'll be okay. Or we can't hear about that right now.
We've got to focus on the game. We got practice tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Meanwhile, it's your fault she's out of diapers, and now
you're like, no.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Excuses, just results, get up yourself.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Figure it out here we are, Hey, man, you should
just crawl to the bathroom and just use.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
I'll catch myself telling her like stop or shi while
she's like whining while I'm changing her.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
She's just like a talking to her right now. I'm
sure she's a lot smarter than that. You're a smart guy,
Charlotte Lattin guy. Yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
A couple couple of former former professional athletes out of there, right, yeah,
Daniel right, Daniel Jones correct, Steph Curry, No, you should
know that.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Christian.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, but we're doing Latin yeah, Latin Ross Cockrel correct, BB, Yes,
I played with him. Former Panther, Yeah, former Steeler from
Bill too. I think it was drafted Buffalo, that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Got hurt.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I think he was traded to Pittsburgh then either cut
or traded to was the next team Tampa. You might
be right about that. Actually he won a Super Bowl
in Tampa Bay. Chris Canty can't. Yeah, yeah, he was
a stud. It would have been a top I want
to say, top ten pick if he didn't hurt his knee.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Right, those are the ones that I know. I did you know?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Funny story last night Steve Smith's Foundation event over at
Top Golf.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Is great to see you guys there. That was really fun.
Love It's always good man.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
You just get every mad golf his life anyway, Mugsy Bows,
you got all the guys everywhere, Antoine, but they former
teammate from Indianapolis shout.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Can I say something real quick about Muggy Bugs and
another person that was there. I was standing there with
a bunch of guys like y'all and Muggsy comes up.
I'm from Charlotte. I have five Muggy Bugs jerseys from
when I was like tiny. He was my favorite. Him
and Glenn Rice were my favorite players. So seeing him,
I was like a little kid. And then I was
talking to Wesley Walls earlier. His jersey still hangs at
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my mom's house in my room. Those are like my
two favorite people.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Let's let's sit hit on that right quick. You being
from Charlotte, what was that?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (10:06):
What was it like when the Carolina Panthers came to
Charlotte for the first time? You being a boy and
growing up loving sports and all that, what did that
mean to you? So you were, yeah, and you would
have been what I was fixed.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I was five.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I was born in ninety Okay, I went to the
first game down in Clemson.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
You missed the eighties. Eighties. We were two and three
years old. My older brother is an eighties baby. He
told me the decade was vibrant.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Very vibrant too, not a breakdancing Yeah, so yeah, it was.
It was really cool. So my just like a lot
of people are transplants, right. My mom's from the Midwest, Chicago.
Her whole family were Bears fans. My dad grew up
in California and Jersey, but a lot of his family
and then my brother was born in San Francisco, so
(10:55):
he was a forty nine Ers fan. And that was
during the era when young Montana Jerry Rice was my
favorite player. I have a funny story about that too,
But so we had Niner. I was getting pulled in
all directions as a young kid, so I love Jerry Rice.
Dad was trying to make me a forty nine Ers fan.
Mom's family trying to make me Bears fans. And then
there was a lot of people locally that were at
(11:17):
the time Redskins fans. Commanders Commanders football team fans, Yep,
that's right. So you're getting pulled in all these directions.
And then it was cool getting your own team. And
I was only five, but it was kind of like
all the younger kids getting to kind of band together.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And be like, first air up, that's your team, that's
your team.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Cool colors, like I feel like all the teams that
came about in the nineties, like I had, like these
weird teal and blues and right Jaguars came in together.
The Panthers horn like the horn horn.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say our colors aren't weird.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
The Panthers, well, I wouldn't say weird, but it's unique,
unique look.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I remember it vividly because I remember I'm North.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Everybody wanted a Panther started or a hornage starter jacket,
right like.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It was the new team. It was the new color.
The logos were cool. It was neat too, right.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I had a Walmart edition of the Carolina Panthers Julius
Pepper Jersey.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Bawling on a budget.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Hey, respect out there out there doing it, but you
had it. I had it.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
It continues, but I may be wrong. Don't quote me
on this because I was five, But I think the
first game was against the Niners in Clemson, is that right? Anyway,
my dad was trying to dress us a Niners gear,
and we remember my brother and I bought Panthers stuff
at the game and we were proud to rock that
and kind of talk junk back to our dad.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
So such a really cool and you know, you can
easily take for granted when you live in an NFL city.
I grew up in Buffalo, New York, and went I
think we realize there's some people that drive three four
hours on every Sunday us to go watch a football game. Man,
And when you live in a market that you can
drive down the street, get a coffee, go to the
grocery store, and then slide over to the game, it's unique.
(13:10):
There's only thirty two of them in the entire country,
you know, it's unique.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And you got to remember ninety five, that was the
first year. So we're celebrating thirty years. That's extremely young
for a franchise and a fan base. So obviously we've
struggled the past couple of years and people will start
talking about fans not being loyal and all that stuff.
But you got to remember it's so young that it's
(13:33):
not even what is it? First generation? You have to
explain it is, right, So it's up to us to
then make this new generation of our kids for Panthers
fan and their kids and rights.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's like, so I'm coaching middle school football right now.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I was asked to be on that staff and I
declined because you are bonus wasn't enough. I can't go
support Christian as a Latin alum.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
But we we are coaching middle schoolers to love football
enough to where they end up playing varsity football jv football.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Right. That's the job of a coach.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Of a middle school coach, in my opinion, is to
you know, channel this this love and excitement for the
game to where they decide.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
On their own pure special game. Right.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
It's kind of the same lingo and the same terms
as far as what you're talking about the legacy of
the Panther fan right now, you're talking about the PSLs.
The people that own those are folks that are older, Right,
Who's going to own those next? Who are going who
are the fans that are going to be in the
(14:42):
stands supporting the Panthers the way that they've been been
supported the last thirty years. It's that it's right now.
We're living in a time where the instant gratification with
social media and all these types of things, and other
teams success the chief we have this like image.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Of oh well be that next year, nah man.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
We got to earn it, right and as fans, you
deserve wins, but you have to part of win. Part
of the winning culture is everyone has to buy in,
everyone from the top of the organization down to the organization,
throughout the city, throughout the entire Carolinas.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
And I'm really interested in getting your take on this.
You know you've seen, you know, the Panthers at they're
very low, very like I mean two and fourteen season,
the one in the one and done.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I mean being a part of it is the highest peak.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And before I want to before you before you answered that,
I want to I want to double back on your
point of a young club and fan base. My take
on this, you have to go through the suffering is
what you were getting to, Yeah right, gott to grow.
Our fan base has been spoiled in many ways.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
We've been to NFC Championships, you've been to two Super Bowls.
I mean right, two? Yeah, so for two, but we've
been to two within a thirty year span. You've been
to NFC championships in recent years. Yeah, in less than
there's there's teams with twenty plus year drafts of playoffs.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, let's talk about who.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So so we think about that, well, we just look
at I mean you consider like the Lions last year, correct, Right,
So when you really think about being a fan, going
through the trials, going through the tribulations with your team,
you got to also, you know, recognize, hey, look, okay,
this is part of the process.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
This happens. There's been there's teams out there there suffering
right now. Don't get us wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
It sucks. Yeah, it ain't great, but it's part of
it all. It's part of it all. It's part of
being an NFL fan.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Go back to what you said, the current PSL owners
would be like my parents that were fans of other
organizations before that. Obviously they came in supported this and
had children that are now my age.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Right, it's we're.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Kind of we're in the infant yes, thirty years, but
we're pretty much in like the beginning years of creating
the long term things, so.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Long term tradition.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
This this is a fun era coming from my space
here watching the the greats and those that have had success,
guys like yourselves, right, the old three teams coming through
and having anniversaries, the twenty fifteen team will those anniversaries
are coming up. You guys are coming into this maturation
phase of greatness and things and now celebrations, thirty year
anniversaries and you know, super Bowl team anniversaries, all these
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things that are coming now. It's a fun time. Yeah, right,
it's fun to look back at and see, hold on
now we were great now. Obviously you want to you
want to you want to continue this tradition.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
It's an intentional time. It's an intentional time for like
guys our age, like like you're saying, it's intensively. We
have to be intentional about, you know, sharing the history
and allowing the history to be present within the organization.
It's a huge time to basically, you know, tell the
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younger generation, hey, the Panthers once were this. You were
like ten when it was for your seven when it
was right. But soon we can get back there. It
comes back around, and it happens for great organizations and
great cities, and Charlotte is primed. I mean the growth
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of the city is immaculate.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Everyone talks about it, like how vibrant the city was
in fifteen during the Super Bowl season. The words I
say is what a time to be alive.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
It was awesome and a mad Just think about how
much the city's grown and changed since then. Then to
imagine going through that in today's Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Now that's you can get excited, but you can excited
about that.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Right for us to be on the side of that,
Oh yeah, right, yeah, you're not.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Actually you guys are you guys are reading free everywhere
you guys reading. Man.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I was going to Morton's getting staked for free.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I gotta I gotta go back to to to last night.
Steve Smithy Van and we were we were. I was
standing with Al Wallace and you know when he saw
you and he saw you and he said, man, I
remember when I was coaching back at Charlotte Victory. I
believe it was is what he Victory Christian there you go.
And l was on staff with Brenson Buckner, another legend,
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Moe Collins who's an NFL legend as well. There was
one other guy. Right, So they're in an NFL. NFL staff,
it's like stew and his crew right now, right, And
so he said, we were a great team. We're one
game away, but Brenton Burston got in away. Couldn't do
nothing with him, couldn't stop us catching passes, jumping over people,
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kick returning touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Said you were a guy. I appreciate that. Big Al
said you were.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
A guy and any any and then he said, you know,
he lost track, he lost track, you know, through our
time and then all of a sudden, the next thing
I know, he's playing for the playing for my team,
playing for my team. Man, So it's special, a special.
But guys like that, I always appreciate stories. Ironically, we
were having you on the show today, so that just happened,
you know, you know, unsolicited, but uh, I think the
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highest form of praise you can have is from your
peers or somebody like that, right, an alumni that recognizes
and obviously got a coach against you.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So yeah, I loved watching him.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
What was like, what was it like when we were
when you were in a Watford training camp and you
every now and then seeing guys like Julius Pepper's Jay DeLong,
Steve Smith, Mussa Muhammad, Jonathan Stewart. Jonathan Stewart.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
That's what he was getting to you. I was a
fan of.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
But like, what was it like when you as a
college guy having experience where you're seeing potentially what you
are working towards every day.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
It was, let's just put it like this, It was
very interesting back then. The Panthers would come in for
what was it, two and a half weeks and just
when I was at offer just kick us out basically,
but we still were there. So it was like you took,
or we took all of the training facility, all the
meeting rooms, everything, weight room, and then we would go
be in the like baseball locker room.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
We didn't even have our practice fields, so.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
We'd have to walk like a mile and a half
to like the innermural field where the New Richardson Arena
is used to just be like a grass field, and
we would practice up there doing two a days, and
we could just hear the Panthers practices going on like
on our fields. And yeah, the fans would walk by
our practice to go watch the Panthers practice, and that
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sounds terrible. It was terrible, but seeing hot all all
those guys like walking by because we would kind of
cross pass randomly. I mean, it was definitely motivation. And
at the time, I mean obviously, when I was a freshman,
I was not highly recruited. I went to Watford, right,
(22:14):
it's a great school, but it was one double A
so NFL. Yes, it was always a dream of mine.
But at that time, I'm like, I couldn't even get
a scholarship to see or Duke or somewhere. NFL is
probably not gonna happen. But later in my career at Watford,
I think it was post junior year, maybe even sophomore year.
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It was probably just a panther scout at camp that
would come watch us. But he's like, might as well
just go see if they have anybody. But we started
having some interest, and that's kind of when it started
to like, hey, maybe there is some chance here if
there's scouts looking at me. And that's kind of when
I was looking at it, like, yeah, that would be
cool to be there one day. And then before we
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change subjects, I have a funny story about all that.
Obviously went to Watford. Had a Wafford sticker on my
old jeep Grand Cherokee. Remember how y'all would stay in
the freshman dorm right there by the meeting room.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It was called Green.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
We would stay at the dorm next to it, it's
called Marsh. So obviously I knew the campus security and
everything just being there for four years. My rookie year
with the Panthers, same car, same security people. They remember,
I think it was Julius Pepper's one year told us
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when we were at Wafford, Hey, you can go into
Green room whatever and just take whatever's in there. He
had like some Jordan's and cool stuff. My teammate got him.
It was awesome. Then we got in trouble with our
head coach, like NCAA was like you can't do that.
So then the security kind of would not let any
Wafford player near Green. So fast forward, We're moving out
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of Green my rookie year, and I have my jeep
parked out front and I'm carrying it my TV out
to put in the back of my jeep, and I
pretty much get arrested. It's campus security, but they're like
screaming at me like no Wafford students allowed and Green
like no, like they thought I was stealing a TV
I've been. They're like, you're a Waffer student. You got
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a plate and the sticker.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I'm like, I'm a I'm on the team. Now.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I had to explain everything to them and they were
it was a whole ordeal.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
But it was pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
How many times how many times can you count on
one hander? Can you count on? Is it endless?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
As far as like how many interactions you've had like.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
That, that's the most memorable for sure, because yeah, they
were about to like you.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
They were like about to call nine one one, He's
on the team. Hey. It was like a thirty inch
visio room stuff. That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Well, at the at the appearance that you had two
weeks ago that you did force at the Verizon uh
Fantasy Draft, I think those those young there were there
was a young group about twenty three twenty four year olds,
had a really cool experience here in the stadium with
our partners at Horizon, and they got the host of
Fantasy Draft here, right, and so you know, a bunch
of bros coming out having a good time and joining
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a few beverages and got to have their bent and
Brenton came out to act as the commissioner.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
At least it was school. Well before these guys were
coming in.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I was getting a lot of handshakes coming up to me,
like I'm like, I'm gonna be introducing you guys. This
guy right here like him, I'm like Princeton. I'm like,
go google him. Look at look at look up his
highlight detuceding.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
He hasn't had the golden hair. He came in.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He was tucked up. He was proper, you know. He
looked like, you know, so, let's not change. I want
to talk about that. So we made them run the
forty oh to do their draft warks.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Oh nice, so j can Luke Combs did a couple
of years ago. We're out there on the field. This
was an experience. We stop.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I have a stop watch, he's got his Apple watch.
They're starting on the goal line. We're at the forty.
It's toned off.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
That's right. First guy goes he if you had to
I test them five four? He did. He was nowhere
near five.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
There there was there was he was yeah, there was slow. Yeah,
I clock four eight four. So now we're looking at.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I'm like, what did you get? He's like four eight nine.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Again we got a bunch of twenty three twenty four
year old fifteen guys just came from work. They got
dockers and hookahs on. They're running on tour for eight
no clue for it, right, I'm like, second, guy goes
second guys four eight one.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I'm like, and he looked way slower. I'm like four
nine right, Like, okay, we're close. Next guy goes, I
clock four four six. He was He was slow, and
I'm like, what what is? He goes down there?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
What is happening? They had they were had a five
yards they were starting at the five. I was like,
there's no way, but y'all couldn't catch. We were like
just like it wasn't the end zone wasn't painted yet
or something.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
The field, the field wasn't completely It was kind of
transitioning from a soccer game, right type of the deal.
And so yeah, I'm about the same buddies, whoever, who
whoever set it up. Yeah, they were they were five
yards short. They had the lines mixed up. Those kids
had a confidence boost for a short moment until Brent
and I realized it.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
They run again, crushed them five five six two one
guy broke five.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
There was there was there was a guy that had
four nine sticks. All right, that's impressive.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I said, people don't understand how fast running sub five is.
Let alone, you know a four to four, four or five.
If you're running a four to seven, you're you're moving,
you're moving. There's something you're moving a little bit right
for you know.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
He was a big dude too that we clocked at
four eight. We're like, there's no way big fellow was
picking them up, putting them down.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Let's send them Let's send this to the scouting department.
So what'd you running your forty? You were You're feeling
like an explosive athlete.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
You talked about it. So I didn't do the combine, okay.
So it was a pro day at Watford on the field,
not a track or anything. So it was in cleats.
There's so much variance when you have the hand timers.
My strength coach had me at four four eight and
then the highest one was like a four to seven.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Wow. So I'd say you're a four to four eight guy.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I like to say right in the middle, I'd say
I'm a mid prime. Yeah, mid four fives would probably
the fastest I'm not gonna get myself for four, but
I'm not four to seven.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Hey, fur five, I got to say, you think we can?
You think you can beat me in a race? Right now?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah? You still you? You're pushing you two forty with
I was forty when I was playing. They closed though
a track guy too, Well, are we running forty one
hundred forty? I think I get you. Oh we're gonna race. Hey,
I'm putting lunch.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
So I raised Josh Bush saw.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I saw that in the parking lot. Yeah, he slipped
out of his uh start.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
I'm gonna get with Jed. Okay, we're gonna need to
work on. We're gonna make this happen. We need we
need this, need some content. Yeah, this is uh. You
can do it on a golf course. Yeah, great, great
grass gets golf cleats, get attraction and then thirty yards.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yes, the white people will confidence boost.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
So man, you you you since since transitioning, Man, you
kind of hit your hands and a lot of different things. Man,
you started the sports that app, you got into finance,
You've got in podcasting with with with Garrett Gilbert right,
which oddly enough I know his father, Gail, really I do.
He was a former who's one of my Buffalo Bill's legends. Really,
Gil Gilbert. Absolutely, he.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Quite a fun fact for Gail because I do go ahead,
he asked question, giving away the answer because we're talking
about Gail. Only player to lose four straight Super Bowls. Yeah,
three with the Bills and then the other one. I
want to say Chargers, but I don't know the other team.
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Wait a second, All the Buffalo Bills lost four straight
Super Bowls.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But then it's five straight. Sorry, So he lost four
straight with the.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Bills and then with the Charge it went on to sorry,
that's sorry, Gail, that's tough. So back to Garrett, Well,
he produced, he produced another professional athlete.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Good for him. So Garrett ak glanch is what I
referred to him as. Yeah, why do we call him glan?
That's another long story.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
There's an old Before Garrett came to Carolina in seventeen,
I think it was fourteen, we had a quarterback in
camp Matt Blanchard Blancher, and his nickname was Blanche, So.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
He went with Clan.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
He just kind of reminded me of Matt Blanchard when
he first came in, and he's double G. So I
just called him glanch g two. Yeah, G two fair enough.
Oh but back to Garrett or glanch Dad lost five
straight his first year in the league. He played for
a ton of Garrett played for a ton of teams,
won a Super Bowl with the Patriots. So he went
back home and said that it's.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Not that hard the level of the pettyweight champion in
the world. So tell us about this podcast that you guys.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Yeah all right, So we started it just for fun.
We're really we've stayed close since he was here in Carolina,
really good friends. We started it last fall and it
was just us catching up and talking football. We stopped
doing it. I think it was mid season. We both
kind of started news ventures. He started an insurance I
(31:38):
started working for this alternative investments firm in Charlotte. So
we kind of lost time, which happens with a lot
of podcasts.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
We decided to fire it back up for this season.
We recorded last week first episode. What's the name of it.
It's called The Never Beins. That's right, Okay, there's always
has been tune in. We're kind of making it joke.
Check them out for the Never Been So that's a
that's a plug.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, you've always been in my heart.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I appreciate that that's a teammate. Always been it, never been.
Silence is definitely sure. Yeah, so we're doing that. He
also does uh he went to s m U after
transferring from Texas, so he also does a podcast for SMU,
so he's kind of doing too.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I know Stew's doing this obviously, and yeah, I got
a couple O. Yeah, I got h believe in panthers,
believe in network, and we're part of that. Okay, that's
a good network. Yeah, we haven't leveraged any of the
stuff yet because.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah, we really haven't either, but it's definitely good for reps.
You know, Podcasting is ah, it's a skill that you
have to really work on and work under craft and.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
You're terrible at like scripting. Oh yeah, we're just kind
of going there and hanging and it doesn't work while
you have a guy like Jim M. Kelly, you for hire, Nope,
joining the never Been Okay, we'll talk about right here.
But yeah, man believe.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
And then me and Kenyon Bernard we have Ducts of
a Feather, which is an organ podcast which is basically
centered around the opportunity of you know, bringing in income
for nil for the players. So everything that you know
that we bring in on that podcast goes to school.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
So it's kind of like the starting. We talked about
this some times as far as like how do we
how do you solve the problem for n I L.
And you know, instead of banking on the boosters just
to put up a check and all those types of things.
So what Organ's done is they are creating other avenues
to channel revenue streams for n I L. And I
(33:49):
think it's really smart because what's going to happen is
basically you can really create a media company within the organization,
within the college, within the football program, and be able
to like house all your content for the Big Ten,
for the world and whatever, and you just continue to
(34:10):
pump it, pump and pump it because as we know,
content is key. You have free access to the players, yeah,
and so leverage that and then now you create a
formula and structure to where NIL is getting extra money.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So it's a pretty dope concept.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You've had some great guests, you know, your former teammates
and guys that you were you were you you played,
I mean again, you talk about your humble beginnings coming
from not having you know, big time scholarship. You end
up at Watford and then you land on a Super
Bowl team full of personalities and all stars and the
peak of I mean faces of the NFL during that
time that you were there, right and still many ways
(34:50):
guys that are just highly revered, that had great careers
and so you had relationships with them. And I think
about what it must have been like for you to
be in that receiver room, in that locker room with
eyes like came with guys like.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
TD, with guys you know, like Chase Stu, like Jonathan Stewart. Yeah,
of course plugged for Stu brotherhood.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I wanted to talk about twenty fourteen because that receiver
room for me was different. You had Jerefy, Patrie had
Jason Levant, two guys that's one of the most level
headed like people that I've ever come across. What was
that like in that room where you had different personalities, different.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Age Like, Yeah, I don't want to butcher it because
I might be wrong with the timing of everything, but
let's take a step back twenty thirteen. I was practice
squad that whole year, but that was Smitty's last year
and we had a great year obviously lost the home
playoff game in the second round to San Francisco and
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then hurt that game. Smitty was to I think he
played and played well, but he had a knee. I
remember he missed the last week.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
At an MCL deal And that was the first time
that I actually got introduced to doctor Nev Nevin Markle.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Shout out.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Shout out to Markle. The goat he added at least
four or five years in my career.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That honestly made my career right because I had so
many small nagging injuries that like a tweaked hammy, and
when you're like a mubble guy, you can't just set
out for a tweaked tammy.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
After we had a toe thing too. I had so
many things. But Nevin was amazing. Isn't it amazing how
you bond.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I was just going to say, like, I remember your toe,
you had a hang. Now you had a week three bro, Like,
let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I basically broke my big toe. Yeah, Like I just remember,
like do you remember the plays? The play?
Speaker 4 (36:40):
But I remember us being in the training room and
I'm thinking to myself, oh, finally someone knows what I
feel like.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
That was I've had bonding through broken rib, separated shoulder, yeah,
you name it, sprained ankle, surgery. That sprained big toe
was the worst injury because you can't sit out and
you can't take anything for it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Receiver, you're running and you're putting the breaking breaking around.
That was awful.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
But the play you might remember it. It was against
the Vikings. Cam kind of laid me out to dry,
but I caught it and I got flipped and I
landed on my head.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Head.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
I saw and I landed on my head. You should
have stuck the landing.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, and my legs. My legs spun around and the
toe jammed into the turf perfectly. So I'm laying I'm
like landing on the ground. Everyone thinks I'm concussed, right
because I'm just landing on my head. But I'm laying
on the ground like I think I just broke my toe.
So they like kind of stopped the game.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
R V. The old trainer comes out. He's like trying
to do the concussion. I'm like, my head's fine, it's
my toe, And he was like what what they were
like getting the tent ready and everything. Oh, he's lost
as he's lots of marbles.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I think I'd just sign your helmet from you. I
just I started counting backwards by seven because that's always
what they asked. Before he asked. That was like one
hundred ninety three, eighty six, seventy nine whatever. It was like,
the head's fine, yeah, please look at my I I
how to count.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
It was like, please, don't I need treatment on my toe.
Let's not waste time on the concussion protocol.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
But you caught it. I did respect. Yep, that's it.
I love this.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So so you were saying, you know you're in the
student You're in a room with Smitty, You're in with Jericho,
Jason Levon, these guys that are season well known.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah. So it was Smitty, Brandon, LaFell, Lafel.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Who else was Dominique Kison HARMANI for a little bit
in thirteen, and then it was it was basically white
clean right. Smitty left, We cut him, he went to
Baltimore and we drafted Kelvin Benjamin first round, and then
we signed Jason Levon. I think it was from Philly
m hm ja Co from Pittsburgh for the two Vets,
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and it was just a whole new room. It was
completely different. We we had Marvin McNutt from the year
before who was Tavares King. He was there, so they
were in there in camp. So it was pretty much
like obviously Jco and Levant were the vets. Kelvin was
new and obviously going to be our number one pretty
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much as a first round pick, and it was kind
of like a bunch of US bubble guys battling Kilo
Plaris battling for kind of those last like one or
two spots. But like you said, Jericho got I don't have.
We could spend hours talking about how awesome of a
person he is and teammate and coach. She ended up
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coaching me after he was assistant here. He was unbelievable.
Shout out to him too. He's head coach Limestone Limestone, Yeah, HBC.
You now he had a great podcast on NFL players
Second ass podcast. Saw that, so you can go check
that out with Roman Harper, Peanut tillmy all teammates.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
When you when you're on a bubble like that, what
was what's your mindset thirty in and day out? Well,
we touched on earlier. Stay healthy. Availability is the best ability.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Correct stay healthy, shut up and do your job. So
when you're young, especially when we're we're Smitty, I would
just sit in the back of the meeting room and
say yes sir to everybody and just do exactly what
the vets say and what the coach would say.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
You hear that, young youngsters.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I think that's why Smitty Smitty would refer to me
as the I forget the term, but I was basically
a rookie, but like the head rookie, even when I
was a third year guy or the second year guy. Yeah,
he was just like he's like, I don't trust anything,
burst and go do this.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I'll just do it.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
That's a really good That was just a label there,
because it's really he's saying like, here, here are the keys.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
I trust you.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
He respected us, and that's how you really earn a
spot on any team if you can trust someone.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Here, here are the keys. Man, I'm out of town.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Make sure the dogs fit, make sure nobody get in trouble,
make sure they do their job, and when your numbers called,
just be ready.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
The head rookie and charge. So is that obviously we
said stay healthy and then be able be flexible.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Right, So at receiver and a bubble guy at receiver specifically,
I was able to play any spot and I also
learned the full offense to where I could even play why,
which was tight end. I wasn't playing tight end, but
if they needed someone to run the play, which is
a pass play, you can plug in and do that
and h right, So like if we had to go
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five wide, I would be the receiver that would go in.
So being able to Jordan Matthews the room shout out
to him, Yeah doing it. So flexibility and then past that. Obviously,
special teams was the ticket for a guy like that. Right,
so I played where again, you need a wing, I'll
play wing you need to. I hadn't caught a punt
(42:09):
since Wafford and put you there. Yeah, Philip, maybe in
practice a little. I was nowhere on the depth chart.
Philly got knocked out in fourteen at Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Got hurt. We're down. You scored your touchdown on that game? Yeah,
DA shout out nice little was supposed to be a
run play and he threw me a slant. I love
da shout out D. But get him back, get him
would be.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
Da.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
We're gonna get you on the We're gonna get you
on the cast.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Great golfer. Too great, it's a mile. But yeah, they
just threw me in a pup. Hey because we were
down like four touchdowns. Hey, go return these punts. I'm
like what, Yeah, yes, sir, go out there. We got
averaged like fifteen on two.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
Also the ultimate form of trust you are catching punts. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
I had a quick story when I was in Indianapolis,
very first game against oddly enough, the Buffalo Bills, and uh,
you're in your locker pre game right, going through the
game program whatnot.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
So naturally this is my first like game action.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
So I'm I'm I'm flipping through the pages right, just reading,
and I want to see my player profile, right, so
I pulled up looking stats.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
One punt returned seventeen yards. Let's go. I ain't never
caught a punt in my life. Take the seventeen yards.
I don't know that they just credited it.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Maybe did you pick up I've nope, not not. I
mean I've blocked many punts. Like, that's where I'm That's
where I was. I was just put me in there.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I'm going to get it. I ain't got nothing to
do for you. Back there.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I might catch it, but it takes you know, I
got you know, long straws is it's gonna take me
a while get going.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
I ain't gonna be doing that. So anyways, I did
a lot. I did a lot of fair catching. So
guys do as we need the possession of the ball.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's a gift. It's a gift. It's a gift. So
shout out to you man being flexible.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Which I will say punt return was never an interest
of mine, but I played baseball in high school and
anyone that wants to be a punt returner, I highly
recommend catching fly balls in baseball. It's very, very similar.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
So Birse, I saw an interesting stat line that I
know that you're aware of. The stat says that ever
since twenty fourteen, the Carolina Panthers seventeen, well.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
Ever since twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen until seventeen, when you
were on the Panthers and they let you go, things
kind of went downhill.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
What's up with that?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Man?
Speaker 1 (44:55):
That's kind of my running joke amongst my friend group.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
I just kind of the stat line is actually out
there now. Somebody I've been saying, I've been Internet and.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Then I got tagged on Instagram. A couple of days ago,
one of the fan accounts, the news accounts tag made that.
That's where you saw it. I'm assuming, all right, maybe
we can give him one day.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
It's demo. Let's see what we make it. Maybe we
can get you a one day contract to make this thing. Right. Well,
we got him in. We'll take this as the first step.
We got them back and in the booth he's in.
I can run sub four eight in our race. Maybe, yeah,
maybe this can be a tryout. I can go fair,
catch some punts. Yeah like that. Returning, talk talk to
us about the new the new venture that you're working
(45:39):
on right now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
So we worked on a fantasy sports app, me and
a co founder of mine in All Sports, and it
kind of links back to what you were talking about
with organ We're pivoting it to focus on fantasy golf,
specifically golf, which you're you can talk about that too.
You're getting into that.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
We need to, Yeah, we'll get up.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
But what it's turned into is running fantasy golf contests
for organizations looking to raise money for a cost. So
it could be a nonprofit charity foundation, but NILS has
been a big thing. So you kind of organ might
be different because it's a bigger school, but a lot
of schools, majority, if not all, of the NILE money
(46:27):
is going to basketball and football, right, and I've also
heard women's basketball too, which is third. But all these
other sports which we all know universities and colleges have
a ton of different sports, from track and field to lacrosse, golf, right,
men's and women's, they're not getting any of that money,
and they're all already behind the curb in terms of
(46:49):
scholarship money from the school itself. So it's a way
to run a fantasy golf contest, almost like a fifty
to fifty raffle ticket to raise money. The money would
go to prizes within the contest. The other half goes
directly to the NIL right, and they're in charge of
where that would go. But the idea would be to
(47:10):
help the golf program, right, whether that's facilities or recruiting,
or maybe creating a new scholarship through that. But back
to your point with the podcast being kind of a
supplemental revenue stream for these schools or nils, this is
another avenue, right, It's another way for them to passively
raise money and interact and engage. Yeah, kind of what
(47:32):
they're following.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
And it's a good way to create awareness of the fact,
right because when people here INIL it's such a loose term.
It's like what is that you know, Like you want
the kids to have money? Well, this is why, you know,
and this is what it should look like. It's like
an educational opportunity.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
It's one step back too.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
I think when people hear scholarship, they automatically think that
every athlete is getting the same thing, or received a
full scholarship or just got everything paid for. But we know,
especially being we get I could say, like Oregon, good chance,
a lot of your scholarship programs are getting taken care
of across the world. At small one DOUAA schools, Wafford
(48:15):
University of Maine, every scholarship is not the same across
the board, and right these kids are expected to stay
on campus for summertime and or eating hot dogs and eggs, right,
Like you're surviving and.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
You're what I've learned and I learned the hard way.
Have a quick story.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
At Wawford they construct these end quotes full rides. I'm
there on a full ride for football, right, but behind
the scenes it's like sixty percent from athletic endowment and
forty percent from the educational department or I mean it
could even they find a way, right, So I was
under a full ride. But sophomore year, I think it
(48:53):
was first semester sophomore year, I slipped to a two
nine to nine. Sorry mom, but the GPA got a
little low and I got an automated email saying my
scholarship was in jeopardy, and I was. I went to
the head coach.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
I was like, what is this about? He never They
probably did tell me. I was eighteen when I signed whatever,
But he's.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
Like, technically half your scholarship's academic and you have to
maintain a three point zero or above.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
He's like, but we'll figure it out. He's like, just
stop getting version. Almost never was. Yeah, they almost had
to leave education. I figured it figured it out.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
I feel like everybody in college kind of has that
one semester where you flirting with it.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I was never a Watford's, a liberal or art school.
I was never an English history, like that was not
my thing. I was a maths guy.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, so that that semester was like history, English, Art, music.
There was not a single math course wasn't your thing.
You didn't have any interesting I think.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
The best you know, the best or my best grade
was like a B in chemistry. Oh wow, that's pretty
good in chemistry. And that was Yeah, that was probably
the hardest class for yeah, other people. But are you
following the Carolina Panthers much recently? I tried to. I
watched the game Sunday. You said not to.
Speaker 3 (50:26):
No, it was I played offense right, so and I
might I think we kicked off and they'd scored immediately,
right or did we have the ball first? I think
we kicked off and they went down. Was it che
scored on the post? Was that the first touchdown?
Speaker 1 (50:41):
Exactly?
Speaker 3 (50:42):
So they went up quick, which is never good when
you're from behind at the dome. So I'm like, all right,
I'm interested to see how this offense looks right new
coach Brice fresh start first play which I don't mind,
quick game if not short intermediate.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
It looked like.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
Dig on the side, short dig, maybe a post by feeling.
I forget who over the top right? So like sixty
eight or whatever you want to call it. It wasn't
wide open it but it was NFL open, yes, and
it was just nope, not to my eye, no pressure
in just a miss throw on a simple opening. Obviously
(51:23):
that play was scripted. I'm going to assume like this
is what we're going to go to start the game.
He knows the rea, he just missed the throw, and
I don't. I mean, there's nerves and there's everything, but
that was not and it's a pick.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
Immediately, as a former player, as a former receiver, having
the connections with you know, your quarterbacks, what could you
tell us just from like a fan perspective of what
they could have been going through so.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
This and I am always an optimist, so I immediately
was getting text from my friends that are fans right.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
What's going on? Oh my god, it's happening again, like
all negative. Right.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
I immediately go to the defense of either Bryce or
just the play. We don't know as a fan, you
don't know what the call was. You don't know what
the route was supposed to be. Yes, you know that
he was running a dick right, and clearly that was
probably the play call based on the post on the backside,
(52:24):
but you don't he squared it off Deontay I think
was the receiver he squared it off at it looked ten.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yards of the yard.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
For all we know, is supposed to supposed to be
a speed cut at twelve to fifteen. I have no
idea what that route was supposed to be. Obviously he
had manned, so maybe he cut it short. Bryce should
hit it on his body. You should see that. But
for all we know, it could have been on the receiver, right,
I'm going to assume it wasn't because I'm a receiver,
because we don't know as the fans, so I don't
(52:53):
the details, the intricacies, and.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
As bad as never as good as it seems until
you watch film. And I watched the twenty two.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Watch I love it. Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
It's hard to watch as a receiver because you can't
see the coverages. Yeah, you can't see the route.
Speaker 4 (53:11):
On regular They still they have both views, they have both,
Yeah they do. They's just like watching film, like if
you were that's right. But because one of the things
I saw was like the past protection, right, I'm like, man,
how you can hit up inside the head but as dB, right,
but if you actually look like at what's happening from
(53:34):
that that visual, I'm thinking to myself, Oh well, we
just missed a call.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
We got to get the running back over there. We
got it four week right, and the running back went
to the right. Yeah, what did I see that? Yes,
I know you see that.
Speaker 4 (53:47):
And so like there's little things like that as far
as communication, and I want to I wanted to bring
this up because if anyone's listening right now, these are
all fixable things.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
It's all fixable. It's not like we communication we had
everyone's gonna have a bad day.
Speaker 4 (54:03):
We just had a really bad bad day and they
had a really really good day because they were able
to be effective on capitalizing unarm mistakes.
Speaker 1 (54:12):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (54:13):
So I just wanted to bring that up because I
know you are still tuned in. I'm still tuned in
a lot of you know Panther, you know Vets, We're
tuned into this thing because I think this organization is
very special to us from the standpoint that it is new.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
I can promise you today because I got I get
the phone blows up. Yeah right, good bad and otherwise,
yeah right, good bad and otherwise. But but you're sure
right the details that go into it, when you're talking
about protections, it's not that guys up front can't do
it right, that's that communication called do you know how
loud it is playing there? And you can say again,
no excuse to this and that, But this is the
(54:48):
first time that this team's taking the field together as
a unit in a live action in the dome.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Don't in the dome?
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Right, And I always I always say this, right, And
I think we've talked about this before Week one. You
don't know, especially now with preseason. You're not seeing starters,
you're not knowing what teams are going to bring out,
you're seeing limited playbooks.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
When you come out week one. It is about momentum.
And if you get.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Behind the sticks, and you get behind with a pick
and a touchdown early in New Orleans, you have lost
your momentum. So to get back up, you're pushing a
bowlder uphill. Now you gotta almost be perfect. You have
to almost be perfect in that sense. And if you don't, yes,
the other team is likely going to find a way
to capitalize on it in that environ.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
And it takes a long It takes longer for an
offense to no question, to take things together out the gate,
let alone the first game a division opponent, new coaching staff,
you got all these things working against you, and so
it takes a while for an offense to come together
because the defense, I mean our defense, they've been running
(55:50):
the same defense since last.
Speaker 1 (55:51):
Year, so they are a little bit more prepared. We
don't need to get to the defense. But what I'll
say is.
Speaker 4 (56:02):
There's still a chance to create our own momentum. And
we've seen it happen in history. In football twenty eighteen, Houston,
Texas started off own. For guess who who Guess who
ended up in the playoffs. I mean you can point
the Kansas City Chiefs. City Chiefs teams low starts find
a way, right, So you know, I think at the
(56:22):
end of the day, everybody take a deep breath.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
That's not over reality. It's football. Is the NFL there
on scholarship to want to find a way.
Speaker 4 (56:30):
When we got we got Brenton Burson in the house. Man,
thank you for coming by. Sharon d Us what you got.
Speaker 1 (56:35):
Going on in your life, It's good to see you around. Man.
Golf is life. We got to get out on the
golf course. All three of us keep talking about it.
Speaker 4 (56:43):
Yeah, we talk about it, but we're gonna get listeners.
Probably man forgetting they don't golf.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
You see his swing yesterday. I didn't. Here we go,
no nice, here we go. Oh you got a nice
one and give him a compliment and he took it
as a backhanded compliment. Now, no, Jeremy and golf, when.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
You're it's like the Indos swing six six long, nice,
like whippy little, good tempo.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
Once we get the town, once we get the once
we once we really get some reps, we'll be all right.
I need I need to be swinging the sticks like
Wessey Walls. That's a guy, right, that's.
Speaker 1 (57:17):
Them. It's like Wesley is just an athlete.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
You can tell by the way he I mean, he's
fifty something years old and he gets out there like
he's like it's nothing, and the ball goes a mile
on a beautiful four yard drawl. Ready down to We
got set up there it is. Let's do it and
make a Brenton, great to have you in the building.
As my headphones fall off, what's going on here? And
I got excited about golf. Great to have you in man.
(57:40):
Thanks for me, Yeah, thanks for thanks for tuning in
to stew and the crew. Another episode, another episode. Uh
excited for the rest of the.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
Well, see you this week. Panthers Chargers at the Bank
bounce Back bounce Back Game,
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