The Harmful Effects of Synthetic Clothing and Defining Fear - Vince Speroni - Substratum 611

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This video is a part of a seriescreated in collaboration with
Gotchies, the healthy underwear company.
Why? I have no idea.
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I'll tell you the background story.
Sure. So my business partners and I,
who are all my friends and also mostly my roommates, we've been
very entrepreneurial for the last two years, kind of at the
end of our college career, thinking we're about to go work
these corporate jobs. But we also want to explore
entrepreneurship routes, kind ofexpress our creativity through
business, try to bunch of different things.

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A lot of failures, a lot of learning, but we always believe
that doing something is better than doing nothing.
No matter what, let's just do something.
And so one of the things that wedid was early on was we did this
thing called Saturday speeches where you're actually welcome to
come to one in the future if you'd be interested.
But essentially people come to our house at 9:00 or 10:00 AM on
Saturday. We only do it like we used to do

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it every week, but now it's likeonce every month, every two
months because of scheduling andjust time issues.
But we would invite people And the only rule was the first time
you came, you had to give a presentation on any subject that
you wanted to. And we just, we thought that
this was an opportunity to connect with people, network,
learn new things, which could, you know, not only was it good
for business potential, but it was also a way to practice

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public speaking, practice articulating your ideas.
And you know, you think you can speak well until you're in front
of a crowd and you're trying to eloquently portray this thing
you have in your head. Because in school, you give
presentations on an assignment or a rubric and everyone kind of
does the same thing. Everyone kind of BS's it with
this. It's you're talking about
something that you choose. You can choose the depth of it.
You can choose what message you want to portray.

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There's no rubric, there's no grading, which is very different
for most people. Most people have never given a
presentation like that. And so that was our, our
mentality because we believe doing something that's better
than doing nothing. And it was, it was something
that we could do immediately wasjust invite people over, give a
presentation, listen, make friends talk.
Presentations were about religion, business, food to eat,
literally anything. And we, we didn't tell, we

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didn't want people to tell us what they were going to talk
about beforehand. They just showed up.
And one of the, this went on forabout a year consistently.
And one of the presentations that I gave was I had stumbled
across a bunch of research aboutthe negatives of polyester and
synthetic clothing. And this hit me differently
because I had been actively walking around talking about how

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I think Lululemon's greatest brand ever, Lululemon sells the
highest quality shorts. Their shorts are $80.00 a pair.
It's totally worth it because they're so high quality, right?
But they had fooled me with their marketing.
They had to convince me that nowthe shorts, they're good to work
out in, they're comfortable to wear.
But I was actively walking around thinking and telling
other people that they were madeout of the best stuff.
OK. Is that is that how their

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marketing works? Their.
Marketing is like athleisure, you know, like this is the
performance stuff. They just, they just, they, they
made me feel like they were selling me very quality
products. And yeah, they do fit well.
And, you know, they look good, but like, it's made out of 100%
polyester, which is super cheap.Bad for you, bad for your skin,
bad for your fertility. And I that kind of frustrated

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'cause I was like, I take pride in being a healthy person.
I take pride in eating organic food.
I take pride in not putting, youknow, sugar in my coffee and
drinking black coffee and alwaystrying to work out and, you
know, find new health hacks. So not only did I realize that I
had been wearing clothing that was unhealthy for me, but I was
also telling my friends to buy it.
And then I, you know, started doing the research, started

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learning about polyester. And then I kind of realized that
underwear was really the worst possible place to be wearing
polyester and synthetic clothing.
So I gave a presentation about it.
No purpose though. The presentation was to start a
company. There was no concept of, Hey,
I'm going to try to sell these people on this and do market
research. I just gave a presentation.
I was like, Hey, this is what I've been reading about the
last, you know, few months. This is something I'd become a

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little more frustrated with on agrand scale.
Like I'm sure you guys aren't aware of it.
I wasn't aware of it. And there was probably 12 to 15
people that day. And a lot of people in the crowd
were like, Dang, I, I really need to get some, some non
polyester underwear. Like I didn't even know this was
a problem. I need to get something that's
healthy for me. And I kind of noted that, I kind
of noted that like, wow, there'speople who are interested in

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this, they don't know about it. It's not mainstream at all.
And then I went to order some cotton underwear because there
are substitutes for polyesters like cotton, merino wool, silk,
whatever. So I ordered some cotton
underwear. And then it came and I, and I,
and it's, I still felt the, the,the plastic elastic waistband.
And I was like, man, this is notwhat I wanted.

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I wanted, you know, I didn't want, I didn't want to feel
plastic in these. And so then I started to look
for something to buy and I was like, there's not that many
options out there. There's some, there's some
companies who sell organic underwear, but there's not that
many. And I didn't feel like they were
heard of, you know, they were growing, but they weren't
mainstream. I was like, the competition is
not insanely strong. Most people don't know about the

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problem, but once they hear about it, they're interested.
And it's something that we coulddo right now because I need to
be realistic. Like we can't start a rocket
creation company. We don't know anything about
that. It's like what's something that
a bunch of 22 to 23 year olds can do right now with
essentially no, no money, no experience.
And underwear was one of those things that we, we felt like we
could do. So the speech happened and then

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within 48 hours we started moving on the company just like
that, started figuring out like what's the highest quality, you
know, underwear we can get. We determined it was GOTS, which
stands for the Global Organic Textile Standard, certified
organic cotton, started contacting manufacturers that
produce organic cotton. We were like, we're going to
sell organic underwear. We want to sell the healthiest
underwear in the market. We wrapped our waistband in

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'cause you, you kind of can't really have, you can't really
have boxer briefs without an elastic waistband 'cause there's
not a strategy. So we wrapped ours in organic
cotton. That was kind of the solution to
that problem. And then we just went for it,
just started talking about it. It took about 7 or 8 months from
we're going to do this to the shipments here.
We're ready to sell. We've been selling for about 3

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1/2 months now going great. But hopefully that provides you
with, you know, a little more context and like why the company
exists. What did you say in your if you
remember, Do you remember what you said in that talk, that
original talk about polyester? There's links with that.
It impacts our fertility, our testosterone, and it makes sense
because we all see it. Fertility rates are dropping,
birth rates are dropping, testosterone rates are dropping,

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men are becoming weaker. Is this solely due because of
polyester clothing? Absolutely not.
But is it a factor? I think so.
And most people aren't aware of it and they'd want to make the
change if they were aware of it.So it's a lack of education is
one problem. You know, everyone kind of knows
you shouldn't eat processed foodat this point.
And if you still eat processed food, it's just because you
don't care. But for underwear, no one knows

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or 99% of the population doesn'tknow that polyester is bad for
you. So yeah, they'll make the switch
as soon as they know about it. So I was just saying these are
the names of polyester, nylon, spandex, like these are words to
avoid in your clothing. If you're paying a lot of money
for them, don't because they're super cheap to make just a bunch
of plastic. These are not high quality
materials. So don't be fooled.
I was, I was saying don't be fooled by marketing.

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Don't pay, don't overpay for garbage.
You know you should care 'cause it can impact you.
There's so many things that are toxic inputs into our body that
we can't avoid. At least don't wear toxic
underwear, at least don't drink out of plastic water bottles all
day. You know, this is something you
can control. A lot of things we can't
control. So the speech was just about

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here's here's what synthetic materials are, just so people
are aware, because if you read Atag, you might see nylon.
Is it like the plastic gets transmitted through the skin or
something or? Plastic is transmitted through
the skin exactly and into the and like literally into, into
the testicles, into the pores and the testicles.
It's not good for your skin health.
It's kind of like when you wear polyester and you sweat, you
kind of smell it. You know, it's just goes, goes

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into the skin, impacts the sperm, just sending
microplastics into our sperm. It's interesting because my, my
dad never liked polyester, so I always wore cotton stuff.
Like like I have polyester rightnow, but I have a cotton
undershirt because I don't, I don't like the feel of
polyester, but is there anythingabout like the sensitivity
That's just like for me, when I wear polyester, I like, I get

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itchy, like everything feels weird.
But like when most people I knowthey wear polyester because
it's, it's cheap, it's easier. It's is there anything that
because your briefs are like $30apiece if you got if you got one
of them? If you got one.
Why is it so expensive? Because it's because organic
cotton is it what makes for organic cotton?

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Organic is because a, there's a lack of pesticides in it.
So regular cotton like your T-shirt, T-shirt, I'm the shirt
I'm wearing now. Just regular cotton, tons of
pesticides. There's, you know, insecticides,
herbicides. There's organic also is
environmental aspect of from thewhole supply chain from growing

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it. There's a ton of waterways.
There's not that much auditing over the whole process.
Organic pretty much says there'sno toxic chemicals.
There's no toxic dyes. Like you can get that T-shirt
right now. You can meet all great cotton,
but the blue, the dark blue thatthey use the diet has a bunch of
toxic chemicals in it. So organic cotton says from
farm, from the way it's grown with pesticides all the way to
putting on your skin, there's not toxic dyes.

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There's not pesticides. There's not other little
chemicals that can get thrown inthere to, you know, make it XY
or Z. And then also we're saving
water. The, the, you know, the farming
practices are ethical. There's no child labor, those
kind of things. So environmental human rights
and the type of materials that go into it.
And obviously that's significantly more expensive for
the manufacturers. And if people want nice quality

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things and they typically have to pay for it, like yeah, we're
$30 a pair, but our competitors are 3436.
So we've, we do feel like we're,we know we're expensive for the
underwear market, but we feel like we're cheap for the organic
underwear market. And if people aren't interested
in investing in these niche products that, you know, could
have a positive impact in their health, like that's OK.

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We're not trying to bend over backwards for, you know, this is
for a specific person who wants to invest in their health.
If you're unhealthy, overweight,not disciplined in terms of
health, you know, you're addicted to vape, you drink all
the time. The underwear is the last of
your worries. And so we're not trying to
target them. We want to target the people
like us who were already healthy, but.
Just take it one step further. Take it one step further and

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it's like, hey, you already do all these things.
The only reason you're not doingthis other thing, which is
wearing clean underwears becauseyou don't know about it.
We want to notify those people of the problem and then switch
them over. Yeah.
How do you find the right manufacturers who already
already have the because one, it's not just the manufacturing
itself and making it so efficient that you that they
save money and then you save money on the on the
manufacturing process. So we get our our clothing

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manufactured in Turkey and they have, you know, decades long
history of manufacturing cotton and making.
They have a huge textile export business and cotton's one of the
things they've invested heavy into.
So they're very good at it. They're efficient with it.
But in terms of how we found theright manufacturers, we only
talked to people who are GOTS certified.
So we contacted GOTS. We went through GOTS and said,
hey, we need a list of manufacturers who are, you know,

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within your database and who getannual recertifications that the
textiles that are coming from there are actually organic.
And we only contacted those people.
And then we talked to them and see, you know, a lot of these
manufacturers, they don't want to work with new people either.
If you're coming in with not massive, you know, amounts of
money, they don't want to work with you.
So we had to find someone that wanted to work with us, that was
in our price range, that meet our organic standards, that was

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commutative, you know, that thatwas willing to export to
America. So it was very hard.
I contacted by 50 manufacturers,probably 4 responded.
One of them was luckily, you know, good enough to work with.
And I love working with them. They're great people.
Definitely want to go out to to Turkey sometime and visit them.
Still like regarding Gots, what exact?
How would I guess? Like what makes their

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certification worth being like putting your name behind it?
It's the gold standard of organic of organic cotton
procedures. They they, they're based in, in
Europe, but they actually go outto the facilities and audit them
annually. Do you actually yes, yeah, it's
there. It's, it's a non profit that's
solely based around organic textiles and they, they audit

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they annual check UPS procedures.
Every time we make, whenever we get a shipment of gotchies, we
also get a, a certificate sayingthis order is got certified.
It's not just the 'cause you canget ideally manufacturer could
get got certified, right. But then they're like, OK, we
got the got certification. We fooled them, they're gone.
Let's just go back to the old ways.
No one's ever going to know. But it's not like that.

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We get a certification that's saying this order On this date
with this many products and thismuch weight is got certified and
what you know, they're just theyjust have the best reputation
for applying those farm to skin standards that I was talking
about earlier there. I'm sure there's some other ones
too, but Gots is just very well known.
Do you guys put like a little like little paper in each of
your packages that kind of says the same thing?

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We put AFII need to give you a pair.
By the way, let me know your letme know your size.
But when when you get the package, you'll see a GOTS logo
on the outside of it and it'll say series like 2018 or 218.
And then if you were to look that up, it would tell you who
our certifier is and like the details of it.
So it's not direct, but if someone cares and they want to

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know they can, they can access it and we don't hide it.
The main thing is just education, just not knowing that
it's a problem or but also not being like like paranoid about
it. It's like, it's not like the
most like people are getting hungry in the world.
This is not the most important thing, but it's like one more
thing that don't have to worry about how long.
Like for an average use, how long does a pair of boxers last?

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I've been wearing mine for eightor nine months now, because
that's just as long as the firstone has existed for, and they're
perfectly fine. They hold up well.
The shrinkage is minimal, 5 to 10%.
Great longevity. As far as I can tell, no, I
haven't had a pair for cause thecompany's only existed for less
than a year, so I've only had a pair for so long.
I don't wanna lie and say I knowthat they last forever 'cause I
don't. But as far as I can tell at.
Least nine months. At least and like it's suggested

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that you wash on cold, either air dry or tumble though dry.
Most people aren't that disciplined with laundry.
Neither am I. I Chuck mine in the dryer, boom
and they're fine. You know what I mean?
So you don't need to be all theymight shrink.
Like probably not even a noticeable amount, but that's
the that the biggest concern is probably slight shrinkage.
What's the quality control that you have on Or not quality
control but like on a given shipment, how much of that is

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not usable for distribution? So far we're at 100 percent,
100% haven't seen any any unusable.
That's good. But to be fair, we we have put
in low MO QS like we've only ordered a few 1000 pairs now.
So as we ordered hundreds of thousands, millions of pairs,
we'll see some numbers. But 100% is still a lot, is
still very good, yeah. But it is possible that we, we

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sent some to customers and they don't like them.
Something's wrong and they don'tand they don't know.
If I notify us, they're just like, oh, whatever.
And we don't know. There's no way for us to know
unless they tell us. We haven't had that happen.
So I have no data other than everything that I've heard.
Everything that I've seen is 100.
Percent I think that's probably one of the problem with
businesses that sometimes peoplewill say that we'll buy
something, realize that it's like low quality, but never

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inform the manufacturer and thenyou can you can't fix it.
You can't like look back at the back and say, OK, this is
something that went wrong here, don't fight.
Yeah, feedback is very important.
That's what I realized from trying to sell in the retail
space is if I bought a product, I was never a return person.
I don't think I've ever returnedanything in my life, ever.
I'm just not. Are you?
Oh yeah, all the time. You're a bigger transfer.

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I've saved thousands of dollars by returning date of itself for
just. Because things you don't like or
just because you like order 2 and try one and return the
other. No, mostly it's when I order
something, realize that it's toomuch for the the value for the
price isn't good. Or more often it's like low
quality and I'm like the value of what I bought isn't the.
Value that I hold myself to and talk me through the consumer
journey of you choosing that that product consumer journey

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yeah like why'd you choose that one I'm you bought it on Amazon
and use. It well, I guess you're asking
for like from for like a companyperspective.
Like, OK, if I were looking at aproduct on Amazon, just let's
say, let's say computer bag, I'mlooking for a commuter bag.
How much, how much value do I, how much quality do I need out
of it? Well, not much.
I'm just, I just need to hold a computer, hold some papers, my

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Airpods, just to be able to carry it around quickly going to
the store, maybe write somethingdown on my computer and then
leave, but make it very compact.So I just like what is the best
thing for that and does it get it done?
I'm not too worried about aesthetics.
I do prefer like darker colors and everything.
I'm not going to get like a nicehot pink bag or something.

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But I also see 20, so 20 that I think that was 20 dollars,
$20.00 for the efficiency of oh,now I don't have to worry about
like do I have everything together?
No, it has a pockets, but it's also minimal enough that it's
not like that's not bulky or anything.
I don't have to put like a bag strapper on or anything.
So make so from actually. And I do know that men and women

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do have different things, but you guys do target the male
audience. We only saw men's stuff right
now. So that's good.
So I I think of it from a practical yes, screw women.
I think it from from AI. Think if it from like a
practical standpoint, 1 how muchdoes it cost?
2, how much value is it giving me?
And three, is this worth the long term lack of headache?

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Like will this make me more efficient, more productive?
More like if I bought this again, would I want to buy it in
six months or would I buy it in a year?
If it makes me more efficient, Idon't have to think about it.
I'll probably buy it again just because it's like $20.
Don't worry about. And what was the time frame from
I need to buy this to going on your computer and putting in
your credit card? Was it like next day or was it

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like you thought about for six months?
Oh, I so two different things for the something for something
like that that's I don't think about that, but rather the use
case less than a couple hours. If I think about it, I need it
look on Amazon. Is there something that meets
what I need? Yes, buy it comes next day
perfectly fine. But for talking about clothing

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specifically like aesthetics andeverything, I'm not like this is
the same outfit I've been wearing for the last six months.
It took me about four days to figure out just to find this one
shirt that has like pockets thatlooks decent but also it's not
too like colors look nice and everything.
So like this outfit, I probably won't change for quite a long.
And you wear it every day. I wear it, yeah.
One shirt or you have them the same sponge of the same 3.

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Of the same shirts, three of thesame jeans.
Why do you wear the same outfit every day?
It's just. I it's, I want to wake up and
the last thing I want to well, one consistency.
I like the consistency of wearing the same thing every day
and like if there's one thing inmy day that's consistent, it's
what I wear, but also 2 That's interesting. 2 And then this is
probably just me thing that if I'm going to wear something,

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there's the 6030 ten rule when it comes to like cinematography
and everything where it's like 60% primary color, 30% of
secondary color, and then 10% and accent color.
So in my case, 60% blue, 30% brown, 10% black.
True. And blue and brown are almost
opposite on the color wheel, so they like they aesthetically

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match pretty well. And I like blue because it's
like a it's a cooler tone. Don't really think about it too
much, but it's also not it's notthe same kind of blue all.
Yeah. So like for me, I'm I know most
guys don't think that way. Like for me, once I get
something and that becomes part of my routine, I'm not going to
think about I'm going to like this shirt is probably the last

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time I'm going to wear it. Next time I'm going to get the
same shirt, but new shirt replace it.
So if I'm thinking about underwear, most likely it's like
when I look for underwear I check how much is each underwear
is a cotton I don't look for. I haven't looked for organic
cotton, but probably. Now, yeah, you should.
Yeah. Is it worth the price?

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Because usually I'll get like a pack of 6 for like 20 bucks or
something. OK, 6 bucks, 6.
It's it's the value for each oneis enough because I'm not going
to think about what I'm wearing.Whoever just put underwear on,
boom, that's it. And then is it from a reputable
brand? Is it a brand that I know of, I
might not like like their the way that they market things like

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Calvin Klein, I don't like the way that they market anything.
But is it a company that I know,like I can look at it and know
that the quality is going to last more than six months, more
than a year? So you're, it seems like you're
pretty concerned about longevityof the product of your
underwear, which is most people don't ask about that.
Most people ask about like, how's it fit?
Do I like the design? Like very rarely do someone ask
about longevity which is interesting.

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I'm just saying I don't care what I'm I'm not hooking up with
girls or anything. I don't think the design of my
underwear. You might you get some gotchas
on you don't know what could change.
OK. First of all, I'm not that kind
of guy. But second of all, I, I mean,
for what you guys are at marketing the fertility aspect,
that would be pretty like I'm sure there's a market for that.
I wouldn't, I would do more for the health benefits, not for the

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the sexualization. But considering that that is a
really good marketing tool, go for it.
Like I, I don't care how you runyour company, but if I
understood like from a third person perspective, if I
understood that you guys are health based, but also like if
you had marketing that way, I wouldn't care about that.
I would care about the the like,what do I care about?
So do you distinguish the difference between health based

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and fertility? Cause to me those are one of the
same health based. And.
Sexual if I think I think if you're infertile, you're you got
something wrong with your health.
So fertility like hookup? Culture and health and science.
So like from fertility, from a health standpoint, that's fine.
Like completely understand that.That's like that's a logical

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like I don't understand what that is.
But then when you get into like the hookup culture, like, oh,
this makes me more like a man boost my testosterone levels.
Like I can't agree with that. But for like, I can't say like
when it comes to clothing, I really don't care because I'm
not, I don't care what I I just wear the same thing everyday so
I don't have to worry about whatI would look like.
But. Would you ever get to a point

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like as I've gotten older, I'm, I'm more into buying less
things, but the things that I dohave, I, I like to spend more
money on them. As in get the quality, not just
spend money to spend money. Like I'm OK with spending money
on something if I deem it as quality because I know I don't
buy stuff very often. Like, for example, I just bought
a super nice Mac, like a super nice because I never had a nice
computer And it, I was like, it was always like, I don't want to

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spend that much money. But I realized that I'm using
this computer every day. It, it, it plays a big toll into
my efficiency. It's worth something investing
into. And same for shirts.
Like if you're wearing that shirt every single day, it's
worth it to spend like $200 on AT shirt if you're wearing it
every single day. So I see it more of value than
it is quality. So for example, these lights are
not the best quality. They are like I know there are

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better quality and I can, I've seen it, I've tried it too, but
these get the job done. So quality for the price value
is very high. Like gets the job done, looks
good, it's easy to move around, no problem with that.
Now, when it comes to my cameras, I know that those are
the main thing that I'm going tobe looking at when I'm looking
at anything. And while there is a first
generation version of this camera, it is lower quality.

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It doesn't have all the featuresI needed and it won't expand
with me while I get better. So not to get too technical,
this shoots in 10 bit 422. Most cameras around like if I
cheaped out by $300 or somethingto save money, I would get a
camera that's only 8 bit 420. Now I only shoot an 8 bit 420,
but it did like longevity. I can use that, I can use that.

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I can let the camera expand withme.
Now, are there better cameras out there?
Absolutely. I know, I know which cameras
wouldn't like it if I had like $20,000.
I can make this so much nicer. But value for the price is this
valuable both short term and long term?
And is the price for what I'm paying for worth that longevity?

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If like these, I wouldn't mind replacing.
Like if I had to spend another $100 to replace both of these,
more than happy to do that. Like if they started melting or
something because it can't handle the heat perfectly fine.
But I would rather replace these, get a new one, then get
something that's $500 and say see me because of the
microphones. I I could go on for a bunch of
different tangents, but I know most people don't don't care
about these, which is fine. I think it's interesting.

(23:50):
I think it's interesting. That's what I'll geek out on,
but I also don't want to. This is also about you, not
about. Me so no, I'm interested.
I want I want to hear about this, how this exists, why you
started this with a long term plan is like how you got to this
point. I'm interested in all things,
people starting things and trying things and putting this
out there. So I like, want to, I want to
hear about this journey as well.Well, yeah, but I I've also said

(24:11):
this on other episodes, so I don't mind saying it.
It's just it's also like repetitive.
Like this is about you and I also don't want to waste your
time here. So but how this like I'll give
you the Cliff notes version justto satisfy the curiosity.
It is curiosity, right? OK, just to satisfy the
curiosity, started this about a year ago because I had one good

(24:32):
conversation with one person outjust like that serotonin high,
not just the dopamine, but the serotonin high of like a good
deep meaningful conversation. It's just I, I got addicted to
it. So I just started tinkering
around slowly, slowly built it up.
And then now I just do as much as I can and like, it's the
first thing that gave me like a sense of purpose, like a sense
of I can do something, even if it doesn't make me money, I can

(24:56):
still do it because I love to doit.
And I just ought to keep doing it for free until like someone
was like, Hey, I'll pay for that.
And then I'll just, well, I knowI have to get paid for this, but
eventually not that's the one specifically, but where was I
going with that anyways? So I like to do this just
because I like talking to people, but understanding how
they think, how they interpret the world.

(25:16):
And then just like, like eventually we'll get into the
the philosophy aspect. I did want to make sure that you
got get gotchas on here a littlebit just because it's kind of
the point, Like if I understood the science behind it, which we
have Kievas later on the 12th. Once I understand the science of
it, the science behind it, then it would be something like, Oh,
well, now I don't want anything else other than gotchas or like

(25:39):
I wouldn't because when once someone gets that, once you get
that loyalty from a customer, they're going to advertise for
you regardless of who you are. Like they won't care who you
are. But it's like, this makes me
feel better about myself. And that itself is a when.
Kibosh will probably go into thescience little bit deeper with
you, but there's a lot of studies that are done on this
stuff. When we have an education period
where we write our own blogs andwe don't just link like go check

(25:59):
this out. It's we, we do an analysis over
the blog. It's like this is what we're
reading. This is what we think.
That's how it applies to you andyour product because we want to
show consumers that we are actually looking at this stuff.
We actually care, and we're not scientists like we're didn't.
You're not? Wow.
Yeah, we were not, we're not scientists, but we, we do just
want to know, we want to show people that we care and that we
actually look into it. And, you know, if a fertility

(26:20):
Dr. came on here, he would know,you know, 1000 times percent
more than me. But I'm we're, we're trying to
show that we act like this is something that we it's not just.
Oh yeah. Like savior sack bro, you need
to. It's like, no, no, no.
Like I wrote a recent blog abouta study was done by Doctor
Shawna Swann in like 2006 and she compared pesticide levels in
men across 4 states. I think it was like Minnesota,

(26:40):
New York, Missouri and some other state.
It was 4 states. And she was trying to do an
analysis of if, if a man spends a lot of time around pesticides,
is there any correlation with andecline in sperm health?
And she found that the men in Missouri who were working high
agricultural jobs, their sperm was like significantly depleted

(27:02):
and compared to the men who lived in city areas since you
and the analysis she made was OKpesticide exposure has
significantly, you know, bad impacts on your sperm health.
Guess what product has a ton of pesticides.
Watch cotton, inorganic cotton ton.
Now, is it to the level where you're in a in a field all day

(27:23):
working with pesticides? No, but like it goes to show you
that cotton's one of the highest.
It it it consumes like one of the top five most amount of
pesticides in the world for crops.
And it's in, it's the solution to, you know, polyester is just
regular cotton. But we're trying to show that we
don't think that's enough. You need organic cotton,
especially in your underwear. And you said your parents are

(27:43):
were starting a business? Yeah, both of them.
My dad started his own payroll company he was working for, you
know, he's working at low end corporate job after college like
didn't really have a good degree, didn't really have much
going for him. He was working in some clients
different role and he took in a bunch of input from customers
because he was talking to customers on the ground.

(28:04):
That was his job making no money, you know, just like a
little chump answering the phone.
And they kept complaining to himabout stuff.
And he was like, oh, I'm going to try to go get a promotion or
go try to impress the, you know,the executive level guys, like
the, the guys who can actually drive change.
So he drove from the DMV to likeNew Jersey to their headquarters
and was like, Hey, these are what I'm thinking.
Like I'm trying to impress them.And they, they tend to be like,

(28:25):
yeah, you know, we're good. We don't really, you know, keep
giving to go back to work. Like they weren't disrespectful
about his presentation and what he was trying to do, but they
essentially were like, you know,we, we, we have our plan.
Like, we don't really need to hear from the guys at the bottom
about what we need, what we needto change.
So he quit, start his own company, stole their clients.
And that was pretty much. And from there, you know,
entrepreneurship, you know, was his, his life.

(28:47):
It was it was how his brain was formed and that's that was the
guy that was the guys that I wasraised under.
I think your parents have such abig impact in what you end up
doing. And obviously and the way, but
the way that they view the worldis the way that they're going to
teach you to view the world too.So like it was never get the
best grades and learn how to be a good employee.
Get like, you know, get, you know, be a it was.

(29:09):
Are you observing business opportunities?
How well can you handle stress? Can you manage finance as well?
Like if you can't manage your personal finances, you're not
going to be able to manage companies finances.
So that was the way that I was taught to think.
So I never really valued like a grade that much.
I never really valued, you know,trying to figure out how to
climb the corporate ladder all that much.
It was can you think for yourself and be an entrepreneur?

(29:30):
And, and my mom kind of, she wasin her own independent
consultant. So she still handled her own
things. And that's just kind of how I
was born. And I just think this is maybe a
philosophy thing, but I just think people should spend a lot
of time doing introspection on who they are and where they came
from. Honestly, I don't think most
people that I know spend enough time evaluating their parents,
like who are my parents? Because that is essentially who

(29:50):
I am to a certain degree. What do they want to instill in
me? Like what was I taught as a kid?
Those are what I call your like the way that your brain thinks
and I think people should play into the way that they're.
I'm assuming maybe you came froma household where there's a lot
of open conversation. You guys like dialogue, maybe
long form conversation, I don't know, not at all.
But like somehow quite the opposite.
Maybe maybe it's the opposite. A lot of times, a lot of times

(30:11):
people there, they drive their interest from what didn't happen
to them or what did. But I think people should
observe that and be aware of it and try to play into it rather
than just like everyone tells you, you need to be, you know,
to get the best grades of all time.
But maybe that's not who you are.
But the sooner you figure that out, it doesn't need to be like,
this is what I want to do as a career, but it's like, what
position can I put myself in based upon my upbringing to

(30:32):
where I'm going to go to maximize my skills, you know?
But most of most people want to stay in that little level of
comfort, their comfort zone of who they think they are, the
perception of who they are. What?
Or worst, the perception of whatsociety wants them to think.
Not even what society does want them to think, which society
doesn't even know what they wantto think.
Like the world doesn't love you,the world loves itself.

(30:55):
But also that getting out of that comfort zone isn't like
some people think. It's like, Oh, I'll get out of
it once and then I'll be set forlife.
No, it's like there's a continuous process.
It never ends. And that's, that's also like,
it's like trying to go into a stair going on a staircase, but
the staircase never, never ends.It just, it just keeps going up
and it's problem. It's like, oh, and again, going

(31:16):
back to comparison as a thief ofjoy.
Oh, I'm the this, there's no endto this.
Well, there's never been an end to it.
Like the staircase wasn't supposed to end.
You're just the. The staircase is the is the
whole thing is the staircase notit's not was at the end of it.
I read a a quote one time that said we encourage those to to
follow the path, but idolize theones who stray from it.

(31:38):
As in like we tell everyone, oh,you gotta do this, Don't take
the risk, don't do that. But whenever we see someone do
it and they succeed, it's like, wow, that got or that person is
such a legend. You know, it's like we tell
everyone to do this, but the ones who get, you know, the
accolades and the achievements are the ones who don't follow
the path. And I think it's very
interesting. There's one thing that you did
say during the brainstorming, which is put in the consistency
and believing in yourself, whichI think which I mean, it's

(32:00):
pretty obvious, but was there a time in your life when you
weren't consistent and you didn't believe in yourself?
I've never not believed in myself.
I've been nervous as hell. I've been like, for some reason
when I was playing high school football, it's kind of cliche
because it's kind of cringe, butlike high school football taught
me a lot because I played receiver, which is, I don't know

(32:23):
if you watch football, but I hadto catch the ball.
OK. Oh, oh, I had to catch the ball.
That was my, that was essentially my job, right.
And it's hard. Yeah.
It's what's, what's interesting about the role is you can't get
into a flow. It's very hard to get into a
flow state cause like in basketball or jiu Jitsu or Muay
Thai, like you're kind of moving, you're in the, you're in
the flow state. Like things are happening,
you're pranking, you're activated with the receiver.
It's very mental because you might not get any action for the

(32:45):
whole game or like, or, and whenyou're needed, you're never
really in that. You're rarely in the flow state
of like, I'm just feeling it right now.
You're constantly battling your own mind in the sense like when
I play basketball, it's not likethat cause the ball's always
moving. People are always moving.
You're running receiver, you might not get any action for the
1st 3/4 of the game. Then you're called upon to, you
know, make a great play. But where I'm going with this,

(33:07):
it was like it was very hard to handle the nerves in terms of
like, 'cause if 'cause you only have one job and like if you, if
you mess up in that one play or if you drop the pass or do
something stupid, it, that's all.
That's what people remember and like basketball and jiu jitsu
and stuff, it's easy to make comebacks, like if I make a miss
a shot, but I can go make a different play.
So it's very, I would say it wasvery mentally taxing, at least
for me and for for most of my career growing up, I used to get

(33:30):
super nervous and I got really angry at myself for being
nervous. Like I was like, why do I feel
so nervous? But then when I was a senior, I
realized that it's not about notbeing nervous.
Everyone's nervous. It's about being comfortable
being nervous, and it's about being OK that you're nervous.
And it took me a long time to realize that.
And I've, I've been able to apply that in everything in my

(33:51):
life. It was never, it was never.
I don't believe in myself. I'm going to fail.
It's just like, I wish I wasn't this nervous.
I wish I felt, I wish I felt more confident.
I associated feeling nervous with a lack of confidence, which
I don't think that's what it is.I think feeling nervous is a
good thing. Like, I'm slightly, you know,
slightly nervous for this conversation.
You know what I mean? Like, it is what it is, but I'm
walking in here. It's like, yeah, it's good.
Being nervous is cool. It doesn't faze me anymore.

(34:12):
Oh, how would you? How would you define being
nervous? Or how would you define
nervousness? Wishing that you I would define
nervousness as whenever I'm feeling nervous, I would always
be like envious of people who weren't in my situation in a
sense of like, oh man, I kind ofwish I was just the guy who, you
know, wasn't playing in the game, who was watching because
he's not dealing with this rightnow.
That's why I knew I was nervous.Didn't want.

(34:33):
It's the IT was like shy. It was like the the slight
desire to like, shy away from the moment in a sense of like.
Interesting. Like shy of.
Not, not shy away from the moment, but it was like, I'm
about to do something that's really crazy my heart's being
right now. And I'm kind of, I'm kind of
envious of someone who's just enjoying their day right now.
You know what I mean? Not that I don't like big
moments or that I'm like scared of pressure, but like when I

(34:55):
find myself drifting into that, that mental state where it's,
man, why couldn't I just be a normal person who doesn't try to
do all these crazy things? Like, why can't I just be
satisfied with not? Yeah, like, why can't I just be
cool with being average? That's when I know I'm nervous
for something. That doesn't mean I don't want
to do it and it doesn't mean that I want to be average or
that I, I would rather be in their shoes, but that's just
kind of how I identify. I'm nervous for this like, you

(35:17):
know, start second guessing yourself a little bit.
And I think everyone does that. That's just kind of my way of
interpreting it. But then I always know like
every single thing that I've ever done in my life that I
thought was a growth area or a lesson learned, I was always
nervous for it. So now I'm like excited to be
nervous because I'm like, I knowthis is going to be awesome and
life with no nerves, life with no competition is just boring

(35:37):
and fulfilling to me. That's weird.
I, I, I've had that once in a while, especially like in jiu
jitsu, if I haven't been in there for a while, I'll be on,
I'll be on the sidelines and I'll be like, oh, wait to do I,
I don't know how to do this warmup.
I don't, I don't remember how this, this movement's supposed
to work. I'm just completely out of it
and like my brain will shut down.
But that's interesting. I I I identified it, but I

(35:59):
didn't really. Find yourself like man, why
can't I just be one of those guys in the gym right now
lifting weights, not worried about this I.
Usually have that like before I go to sleep, like, like all the
doubts that I have just like start pouring in like, is this
actually worth it? Did I do everything well?
And then I realized I probably didn't drink enough water today.
Yeah. It's like, but that's what you
said about being the desire to be the, the desire to be on the

(36:23):
sidelines, to not be in the action.
That's I don't know if I would ever say I had that, but it is
something that I don't know. I it's like it's like a 10%
thing that. I wouldn't say it's desire.
I wouldn't say it's desire. It's more of just like.
Envy. Oh, you say?
You said envy. You're just like, I don't know,

(36:44):
I don't want to frame it like. Frame it whatever you want, I
mean. Just just find myself thinking
about like why can't I be comfortable not doing these
things? Why can't I be comfortable?
Yeah, for example, you're going to jiu jitsu class, right?
You gotta have a crazy day of jiu jitsu and you're kind of
nervous for it. But you see those guys in the

(37:04):
gym, right? They're in the comfort, they're
they're working out, but they'rejust lifting weights like
they've always been. Like they don't have that.
They don't have that. Like if you didn't go to jiu
jitsu, I'm sure you'd feel some kind of like, wow, I need to go
like I'm, you know, I'm missing out.
And those guys, they don't have that in in this in this
situation, right? So you're, you're walking in to
go be the man in the arena. Some people don't even have that
natural fire. Sometimes I'm just thinking

(37:25):
like, because when you go to be the man in the arena, which, you
know, not saying that like goingto jiu jitsu class or doing
these things that make us nervous or super crazy or like
we're for him or whatever. But like it was doing things
that are putting us outside of our comfort zone.
And like a lot of people coming on a podcast and having this
conversation is like, well, I don't want to be filmed.
I don't want to be recorded. I don't want to be in a
situation where I can say something stupid without really
thinking about it, but we want to do this for whatever reason,

(37:48):
like we're down to open ourselves up to.
Yeah, I've already. I've done enough like people
like I, my personality is on theInternet.
Exactly. Yeah.
So we're down, right. Some people just, they don't
even have the desire. So I just go in to think it's
like, why do I have this and other people don't?
And like, is their path better? No, it's absolutely not better
because they're not challenging themselves or growing.
But that's just kind of how I know I'm nervous.
So when I start drifting off andlike, what is it like to be that

(38:09):
person who doesn't? It's I don't disagree with you.
I think the reason why I don't have it is because my
introspection is always back on myself.
And it's like, yes, they're doing their thing, but that's
their life. It's like that's their, their
timeline. Like I wish I could be lifting
weights. I wish I knew like I had the,
the not the discipline, but the,the motivation to want to be in
the gym and like just pump weights and like bulk up does

(38:31):
not look like a stick. But the same time, like I don't
like jiu jitsu is a mental, it'sa mental thing.
It like what I'm not thinking about all the stuff I have to do
for the podcast. I'll be doing jiu jitsu, which
it keeps my, my, the way I'm thinking constant, like
continuously working, but in a different aspect.
So it's still the same thing. It's just different.

(38:53):
And then when I look at other people, it's like, oh, well,
that's the way they like to think.
Especially like a lot of gym people, for whatever reason, I
can't relate to them. Like most of the time for like
conversations. Yeah, I mean, they're great
people, don't get me wrong. Wonderful people.
It's just like when once I starttalking to them, it's like their
brain is wired differently and it's like, I guess I don't know,
I just, I never thought of beingnervous.
That's interesting. Fear is definitely a big thing,

(39:16):
but not nervousness. How do you separate the two?
Because I would say nervous for me is rooted out of fear.
Like I don't, I don't distinguish fear and nerves that
much because I feel nervous whenI'm scared.
Well then, how do you define being scared?
If there's if there's fear and nervousness, but fear is also
being scared, and nervousness isthe possibility of being scared

(39:39):
because nervousness is not like it's not a current.
I think for me, nervous is beingscared, scared of failure,
scaled, scared of, you know, injury, scared of something
going wrong, like whatever it is.
I would say like I feel nervous when I'm scared and I feel
scared when there's fear in the in the picture.
So you have like a three-step. There is fear, which then makes
you scared, which then makes younervous, yes.

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What's your process I guess? I'm not scared and I'm not
nervous. So I think that you're afraid.
I'm fearful, yeah. I'm fearful of the possibility
and that's it. But that doesn't make me
nervous. Doesn't make me nervous.

(40:25):
Then what is? How do you define feeling fear?
I would define fear as the possibility that this will hurt
me, not the actual kind of goinginto what I remember.
Now I could be wrong about this,but I think there was a study
done during the like after the Boston Massacre or Boston

(40:46):
Marathon bombing where they tooka poll of people who watch the
bombing and people who are actually in the bombing.
And they found that the people who are watching were more had
more aftershock than the ones who are actually there.
And. Do you mean watching on TV?
Yeah, watching on TV, like watching the thing unfold, like
over the days, like news coverage and everything that the

(41:07):
people watching were more afraidor more like had more higher
levels of sensitivity to that topic than the ones who are
actually there. And I think that comes down to
the the perception. Well, there's also the other
idea, which is that 90% of things that you think will
happen never happen. And the 10% of it do aren't as
bad as you think you were when it comes to being scared of
things. So I think my fear is not on

(41:32):
like, so my big three fears is fear of failure, fear of
complacency and fear of abandonment.
But that's also, it's like thoseare also the things that once I
do more of that, I'm not as fearful for it.
Like the more I talk to people, my fear of abandonment goes
down. The more I get stuff done that
don't mean hit helps me become less fearful of failure.

(41:53):
And then the more consistent I met with that I'm not as
complacent. So it becomes this like, I guess
the internal like in intrinsic, not intrinsically.
What was the word they used earlier?
Introspectively, Introspectively.
Yeah, introspectively, when I look at what do I have to get
done and how can I use whatever I'm scared of?

(42:19):
And that would be being scared. But I'm not like scared.
When I think of scared, I think of like like a, a jump scare
like or a thriller movie or something like a horror movie,
like something that's I wasn't expecting.
And it is like completely not something that would happen in
reality. And then fear is something that
can happen in reality, but may not actually happen.

(42:41):
But I also do everything I can to prevent that from happening.
And then being nervous is like that in between where it's like,
I don't know if it's reality andI don't know if it's gonna like,
let's say you've seen those videos where like people are
dressed up in clown suits and like men like pop up in the
middle of a sidewalk at night and like stare at someone who's
walking by. That would be like, that would
be be nervous, I guess. But that's also be part of my

(43:02):
situational awareness that like when it's night time, I don't
try. I don't go to bars.
I don't go anywhere that I'm like, oh, would I be in a place
of potential danger if I was here?
That makes sense. I used to do when I was growing
up. I used to walk home in the dark
as much as possible because I because I did it one time and I
was in high school when I was a freshman or sophomore, I walked

(43:26):
home from one of my friend's houses in the middle of the
night, not that far of a walk. And I was so scared of all the
unknown, you know, I mean, like so scared walking in the middle
of the night, you're like 14 or 15 and you're terrified.
User Brian's thinking like, am Igoing to get murdered?
Am I going to get, you know, just all the what could go wrong
as your brain starts freaking out and I remember you laying in
bed that night and be like, I was so scared of that.
Like if I was like, if I'm scared of that I'm cooked,

(43:46):
'cause I if I can't, if I can't walk home without like walking
with some confidence and like turning the things off of what
could go wrong 'cause I think the what could go wrongs are
important, but it can overpower your brain.
It's like you just came with destabilizing in action 'cause
you're thinking about what the what the what could go wrongs.
I wanted to teach my brain how to identify the what could go
wrongs and keep them like as a known but not let it overpower

(44:08):
me 'cause in the walk I was overpowered by it.
I was tremble. I was like essentially trembling
in fear walking down the street for like 10 minutes.
And I was like, if that keeps happening to me, I'll never be
able to achieve anything becauseanything that I want to be
ambitious about or go for the what could go wrongs are going
to be super powerful. But I can't give them that power
because I guess, yeah, you definitely need to.
You don't want to be walking around with headphones looking

(44:29):
on the ground like, what if you get jumped and and thinking
nothing's going to happen to me?Like, you know, that's that's
not the way to go about it. You don't have the balance.
So I was like, all right, I'm going to, I was like, I'm just
going to walk home every single time now.
And then within a few years, I love, I literally just enjoy
walking home in the dark. Like I'm, I'm aware of my
surroundings. I'm not scared at all.
And I'm in a safe neighborhood. Like I wouldn't be down to do
this in a in a ghetto. Yeah, in the ghetto.
But it taught me how to overcomefear and and it taught me how to

(44:53):
analyze like what was scaring me?
So then it was like, all right, I'm I'm gonna go walk.
And it taught me that I enjoy attacking my fear in my
problems. A lot of people, they would say,
most people would say I never want to walk home in the dark
again. You know what I mean?
That most people I know would dothat.
It's like, well, that was scary.That was not fun.
But to me, I was like, I want todo that more.

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It's a practice ground for me tochallenge myself.
And it's a small thing, walking home in the dark in the suburbs,
but. At that point, it's not like I'm
not in danger. I am the danger.
I am the danger. My brain, my, my brain
fabricating danger is the danger.
So can I beat that or am I goingto lose to it?
Because I'm always going to feelthat no matter whether I want to
walk home, whether I want to go do this thing, whether I want to
start this company, whether I want to go travel over here and

(45:36):
experiment, You know what I mean?
The that thing is going to is going to turn on.
And so I wanted to, instead of putting myself in situations
where it doesn't turn on, react to it well.
That's I guess essentially just training the amygdala so that
you'd not as fearful of the things that.
Is that the amygdala? I think so the the, the
emotional center, like if I'm don't quote me on it, but if I

(45:57):
remember correctly, the amygdalais the first thing every
stimulus goes through before it gets through to your prefrontal
cortex, which is where the fightfighter freeze comes in.
So when, when someone freezes mentally in the, or in a state
of shock, that's usually they'rejust overriding the, the brain's
function, which is a safety thing.
It's like, oh, a bear is coming at me.
What do I do? Stand in place?

(46:17):
No, you're going to run away or,or actually, no, I think you're
supposed to play dead when a bear comes or something like
that because bears are going to start attacking into the chase.
But yeah, training the amygdala.And then like at some point when
I realized I started doing situation awareness when I was
like 10 just because it was like, does that person have a
gun? Does this person do this just

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like just being hyper aware of my surroundings?
And now I just do it naturally because if it works.
But at some point like training the amygdala to to realize I'm
not 100% of time I'm in danger, but that .000001% of time where
I need my alarms to be triggered, I'll keep that
awareness up. Even if I'm in a pretty

(46:58):
comfortable place or if I'm I feel safe, I always have that
small little thing in the background.
Like make sure the door is locked, or make sure this
person's not in the weird spot, or just make sure whoever's
walking by is not someone who looks like a creep.
And it's great. It's great to have that.
It's great to have that awareness and be able to channel
it, say, you know, there's a slight threat potential over
there, but I'm not going to sit here and let it consume my mind.

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But I'm aware of it in case likesomething happens, I can act
kind of quick and I know like how I should respond if someone
does come in the door, but I'm not going to sit here and think,
Oh my God, like someone going tocome in the door, you know what
I mean? I think that's a lot of, I think
that's, I think that's a distinction that a lot of people
don't recognize in their brains and make they either just avoid
feeling that at all costs. As in like, I don't ever want to

(47:41):
be in a situation where I'm scared of something, which just
leads to a lot of problems because then you're not going
outside of cumbersome or it's, I'm going to assume that nothing
bad will ever happen to me because I'm like the chosen one
or nothing. You know what I mean?
That's not going to happen to me.
So I'm just going to ignore it. So when the problem does come,
I'm totally not ready and I get wrecked.
You know what I mean? It's about finding that balance.
And the nice thing is that I've gotten to the point where I'm
now because there's also being able to analyze people's

(48:03):
implicit communication with thatsituational awareness that now,
like whenever I see a friend of mine who looks like they're
under the weather, like they're not doing well, I usually like
now my situational awareness is,is my surroundings safe?
But it's also of my people that I know safe, but like not
physically safe. Like I don't care if they're
physically safe. If you got a, if you got a knife
in your body, don't, I don't care.
I want to make sure that you're emotionally safe.

(48:25):
Like blood's trickling down yourbody.
Yeah, that's fine. Are you emotionally OK?
So you're very, you're very empathetic.
Unfortunately, yeah, it sucks. That's a good thing.
I know that's a good thing. But it's also a one I'm
sarcastic. Yeah, I know.
I can tell. So am I.
I think sarcastic's good. I think Sargamas isn't my
favorite form of humor. Yeah, it's funny.
It was also. Sometimes it's you can be.
Over it was, and when I walked it was super quick witted.

(48:46):
Yeah, that was hilarious. Which one?
I tried to shake your hand and you were like, you just like you
had something. You're like, Oh yeah, just just
pee or just piss. Just piss.
Just kept walking. I was like, that was a good one.
I was like I need to use that one.
But I got that from. Dave, because I was like, yeah,
OK, yeah. Jiu jitsu is not the best for
any jokes whatsoever except for the the bad ones and I always
always keep the bad. Ones I have a high respect for
quick witted off, off the cusp humor.

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Well yeah, it's the easiest way for me to de escalate the
situation. Like oh, whatever ice broke can.
Like nothing you can do can get worse than what I did.
So I've already lowered the bar so we can only work for me.
That's great. That's good strategy.
I I know I need to use that. 1 And I just do it subconsciously
just because like I guess when it comes to both situational
awareness as well as like meeting people I don't know very

(49:28):
well is what can I do to make you smile And then play with
that like once, once I get a, a laugh or a cackle or whatever.
Just whatever gets you to whatever breaks that ice without
having to break the ice. Like I'm still like, obviously
I'm still like making sure that you don't like pull out a knife.
Be like, hey, like I'll still keep that awareness.

(49:49):
But now it's like, I've set the bar so low, there's probably not
going to be a threat. And also see what your reaction
is to things that like, I know alot of people have like a
professional mindset and a personal mindset where like
professionally and like especially the corporate world,
they'll have like 1 fat 1 facadeof, of a mask and where that's
where everyone be like, Oh yeah,I care, but I don't actually

(50:09):
care. And then they have their
personal life, which is like, oh, you actually do care.
You are a human being. You just have to put a mask on
for work, which I've always hated.
But if I say something that's completely unhinged, they can't
go on their professional side. They I won't let you because I
don't want to see that. I want to see who you are.
And if you are bad, I don't wantto talk to you.
I like it. I like it.
I respect good humor. I'm so sorry.

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So you said you were 7030 logical.
Yeah. How do you would you say it's
7030 logical but you understand your emotional side very well?
Or is it 7030 logical? You're very so invested in the
logical side of it that your emotions are just like a by
product that you sometimes look at.

(50:51):
In terms of handling myself or dealing with other people,
because I kind of distinguish, Ican do too.
You can explain both. Dealing with other people, I'm
very empathetic. I'm hyper aware of their
emotions, OK? A lot of people might not, might
not who know me well, might kindof be surprised that I said
that, but I think that's what makes me a good business leader
or someone who's in the progressof becoming a good business

(51:12):
leader and just like an overall leader as a whole.
Like that's my goal is to be a good leader.
I don't think I am a very good one now, but I think I'm on
track to become one. But I'm very aware of the people
around me, their emotions. The reason I said logical is
because like I try not I'm, I'm naturally I'm hyper aware of it.
Like, I just want people to feelkind of like, you know, like I

(51:34):
want people to feel like they're, you know, contributing,
they're all good, everything's fine.
And they're in a position, they're in a mental position to
like execute and do a good job. But I feel so strongly that I
push back more on the other sidebecause I, I think that the
logic is, is more important and the right thing to do is to make

(51:55):
a logical decision. And then over time, like dealing
with that empathetic side, I think comes down to like, how
well can you communicate? How well can you show people
that you understand what they'refeeling?
But like you need to go against like their their feelings to
make the decision that's best. But like, that's OK to do that.
But you need to like, you still need to communicate that
people's voices are being heard,that their emotions are
understood. It's not just like, this is what

(52:16):
I decided. This is what we need to do.
And like, I don't care what you think.
It's like, Hey, I'm acknowledgedthat you feel this way.
And like, here's the compromise we're going to make.
Here's, you know, here's why it's going to be like this in
the short term, but like overtime's going to change and
like we're going to balance it out.
It can't. You know, when I think of logic,
I just think of like putting people's emotions aside and just
making the right choice. I think true leadership is

(52:38):
ultimately still choosing the logical option, but getting the
people around you who might havetheir emotions towards the
decision to invest into it and to make them know that like
they're gripes about it, The things that they that things
that they don't want to buy into, things that they don't
want to do. Like even though you're kind of
assuming they have to do them, it's like making them understand
why they have to do it. Not just you need to do this
because I say so and this is thebest thing.

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It's like you need to understandwhy we're doing this.
You need to understand why we'redisregarding your feelings right
now and like why we you know, we're going to make an effort to
get your feelings back into the mix as time goes on, if that
makes any. Sense, you know, that makes
sense. Do you have a like mentally?
Do you have a separation betweenemotions and feelings?

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Are they, like in your mind, just synonyms?
To me, they're synonyms. Maybe if I ponder.
I've never pondered on that question before or thought about
it, but but to me, off off the cusp of their synonyms, yeah.
Like if I have a word to say I have strong feelings or I have
strong emotions, I would I coulduse them interchangeably.
Do you prefer being efficient orbeing effective or that also

(53:43):
efficient? Efficient.
Efficient 100%? How do you define efficiency?
Time management. Time management.
That's how I. Attention to like productivity.
Yeah, just time, time management, doing things quickly
like my goal is to respond in business settings.
I try to respond as fast as possible because I view that as
efficiency and that could that doesn't mean giving someone BS
answers and saying because I want to talk about that could

(54:03):
mean hey, I don't know the answer, but I'm going to get
back to you at this at this time, I'll respond by tomorrow.
And if I can't respond, it's hey, I'm still looking into this
taking longer than I thought. It's just providing, I consider
that efficiency because you're providing information, you're
actively trying to do the, you know, the thing that you said
you're going to do. It's like, hey, someone texts
you, can you look into this for me?
Don't respond for three days. Oh yeah, sorry, whatever.
I, I, I don't respect that. I don't like that.

(54:25):
Like you respond very fast and Ireally respect that.
It just shows me that you're on top of the game.
You care, you're efficient like you were here.
You know what I mean? Like that's, that's efficiency.
I just don't know how I can separate because I don't you're
not efficient if you're not being effective.
Like if you do things really fast and you're like, you're
managing your time well, like you're blocking off your day
properly, but everything you're doing is like worthless and

(54:46):
whatever, I wouldn't consider you efficient.
You're trying to be efficient, but you're not efficient.
The. Illusion of efficiency.
Yeah, you have the illusion of efficiency.
I guess overall effectiveness ismore important because like if
you're going to do something right, but it takes you 3 days
versus if you did it in one day and it's worse, it's worth it to
probably take the three days because the end goal matters
most, I guess. But working with inefficient

(55:12):
people is very frustrating. People should take so long, you
know what I mean? Try their fear.
I'd rather someone who's ineffective, who's trying and
like, has the capabilities of getting better.
Because if you're inefficient, it's harder to make an in.
In my experience, harder to makean inefficient person efficient
than it is to make an ineffective person effective.
OK. Can you can you spend on that

(55:33):
if? Someone's inefficient.
I think it's like rooted in it'sself-awareness, like you're
about to go, you're about to leave, to go somewhere all
along. Let me get in the shower right
now. You know what I mean?
Like you can't really, can't really fix that without someone.
But if someone's like really trying and they just kind of
suck at something like they, youknow, it's like, hey, write this
or do this thing and they do it wrong and it's not good, but

(55:56):
they're trying. And like they're, they're
actually like being resourceful and looking things up before
they ask questions and you know,actually, you know, feel like
I'm going to do my best and they're so they're ineffective
in that area. But you can make that person
effective just by, and they can make themselves effective by
like, you know, actively seekingout ways they can get better,
you know, learning, asking questions, They can become
effective. But an inefficient person who

(56:17):
takes so long doesn't have that sense of urgency.
I don't know if sense of urgencyis something that you can teach.
I think sense of urgency and to me it's kind of a, a synonym
with efficiency. It says without a sense of
urgency, you're not efficient. So if someone doesn't have a
sense of urgency, then there's nothing that you can do to make
them urgent. But it's almost ineffective.

(56:37):
You can. You can help put parameters in a
place where they become effective, as long as they're
open to learning. And and that goes to like how
you would, how you would add respect that you have for
someone. Yeah, like that.
That's one of the elements of. Like I instantly have more
respect for you because you respond fast.

(56:58):
Like you answer questions, you know what I mean?
Like just off the bat because itjust tells me you care.
You're on top of things. You're like honest.
It just, that's just what it tells me.
You put thought and time. Yeah, there's also the other
side to it, which is like when I'm doing like podcasts or
something or like I've dedicatedmy time for someone.
There's also the other side, which is like right now my
phone's on do not disturb. Like I don't want to hear anyone

(57:20):
else other than my family if anyone sends me a text.
So it's also I guess there's. That's something I struggle with
for sure. I take so much value in
responding fast. So I'm like, you know, business
is so it's 24/7. Not that you're working all the
time or not that you're working even an insane amount, but like
things always pop up. You got to be able to respond.
So like I'm always kind of like,you know, where's my phone?
Like my phone's over there rightnow.

(57:40):
But like I'm always kind of like, and I care so much about
what's going on on my phone thatI want to look at.
I want to know now if there's a problem, I want to know now.
I don't want to fix it now, but like if I'm spending time with
my girlfriend or my mom, like it's not good to just be like,
because 90% of the time it's nonsense.
You don't need to attend to it right now, but I want to know.
So I definitely need to learn how to be OK with like putting

(58:01):
the phone down and just checkingout for a little bit and being
more present instead of always thinking like, how can I make
this better? How can I optimize this?
How do I, you know, make this person think I'm respectable,
You know, boom, boom, boom. And I think that's, that's just
like, things will happen like that, that people like you
people will see you both at like, I responded 3 seconds
also, I responded two hours. But I think ultimately it would

(58:24):
come down to like whenever I'm working or something, sometimes
I'll like constantly go on my phone just like just check
everything. And I get obsessed with that.
So I just put in my, my, my briefcase and just be like I'm.
Hyper addiction on my phone. Hyper addiction to my phone.
Obviously means that you care and that's that itself is better
than saying, oh, because I know there's one person who he said

(58:45):
that he goes all these girls like he's in his 30s.
But then he he goes on that likewhenever he's like talking to
girls or something like dating or whatever, he would like
intentionally not talk to them to you.
I guess in in a sense it. Was a dating strategy thing.
I don't, I don't know, I didn't expand on it just because I
thought it was pretty stupid. But, and I again, I hope he

(59:05):
doesn't watch this video becauseit's not going to be.
Very nice. I'll have to go back and and.
No, I'm going to keep this in the edit like I'm not at
anything else, but it's fun to say it.
I think there's definitely like that some people intentionally
do that because they want to getthis like, like almost like
social manipulation, like, oh, Icare, but I don't care too much.

(59:27):
Yeah, right. That's the whole, the whole
dating game is crazy now, Yeah. Which I I don't understand.
It's like, I do care, but if I'minvested in one thing, I will
get this done so that when I talk to you like I will give you
100% of my attention, unless it's like a, like a, a stupid
meme on Instagram or something. It's like, OK, I'll give you
like 10% of my attention. Ha ha, that was funny reaction
leave. So it's kind of it's like it's,

(59:51):
it's good that you care and you're not doing it towards like
bad ends, right? So it's, it comes down to
intentions. Are you intentional about caring
or are you intentional about having the perception of caring?
But I did want to circle back towhat you were saying earlier.
How would you define respect? I think mostly is just doing

(01:00:14):
things that you're going to do and also being able to like to
make a play. As in when I say make a play, I
mean like you don't they like you don't need to micromanage
anyone. And I'll just mean in business,
I mean, it's in life. It's like they can just go
whatever the situation is, they can just go like, I trust them.
Just go take care of it. Like I respect that person, you

(01:00:35):
know what I mean? I you know what I mean, Babysit
them. If they can't figure something
out, their instinct isn't to cry, it's at least try to figure
it out. So I would say being clutch, I
always compare it to like to sports, you know, do what?
I trust this person to make a free throw.
Like would I trust a player to make a free throw?
I think you can apply that to all kinds of life.

(01:00:56):
It's like whether that's talk, talking to someone and like
facilitating the situation or whatever it is.
So I think like being able to make a play and then doing what
you say you're going to do. So if you, if you tell me you're
going to do something, you do itor you communicate why you can't
do it ahead of time, Don't just say I didn't do it.
And obviously that happens to usall.
Like there's definitely plenty of things I've said I'm going to
do and I don't do it, but I really try to do the things I

(01:01:18):
say I'm going to do. And if I can't do them, I think
it's totally, totally understandable.
Just communicate it. Don't just not say anything, not
do it and then be like, Oh my, be that that.
I always, I always, you know, I always lose respect for people
when they do that. I lose respect for myself
because I do it too. But it's something that I'm
aware of. Communicating, but mostly being

(01:01:39):
reliable, Yeah. Being someone that people can
can lean on when they need it. Yeah.
So when I say making clutch play, I would define that as
being. I would.
That's being reliable is what I mean.
I can rely on you to go do that thing.
What would you do in situations where there is miscommunication
that you don't know that is being miscommunicated, but that

(01:02:00):
the other person is expecting you to get back to you on?
What do you mean? So let's say, let's say
something was planned or something was like in the works,
like, Oh yeah, we can, we can dothat in the future.
And but like there wasn't enoughinformation on that their end to
tell you or that you didn't knowthat you were supposed to do
something on your end. But then now there's a a unknown

(01:02:23):
sense of friction between you and that person on like.
Like you don't know exactly whatthey're going for, but you also
don't know what you need to do. But at the same time you don't
even like it. Something was communicated.
They're expecting you to do something.
You're not aligned with the expectation.
And then so they're they're thinking you're going to do
something and you might, might or might not know that they want

(01:02:46):
you to do something. And even if you do know, you
don't know what The thing is exactly and it ends up not
happening and now there's friction.
Yeah. And that and the fact that it's
not happening has now become a sense of friction.
Like they're not talking to you where they don't want to talk to
you as much. And it's like and that just like
apologizing for something or or just asking a question like.

(01:03:07):
I probably default to asking questions first.
I wouldn't apologize unless I thought the apology was worth
it. As in, like, if you did a
terrible job communicating it oryou didn't say something, you
assumed that it was. And there's times when it's
perfectly fine to assume someone's going to do something.
And if they don't do it, you canbe mad.
So my default wouldn't be like, Oh my God, I'm so sorry you're
mad. I'm so sorry.
It would be like, why are you mad?
And then if I came to the conclusion that they had like

(01:03:28):
even a slightly rational reason for being mad, I would
apologize. But I would say like, hey, I'm
sorry, but this was my thinking.So I'm not super sorry.
And I'm not going to sit here and beg you to like not be mad
at me anymore. I'll say I'll apologize because
I understand from your perspective XYZ happened.
I didn't catch that even though I should have.
But see my perspective like thisis how we could communicate

(01:03:48):
better and then I think that'll lead to a better understanding
for both sides. That's an interesting question.
How did you come up with that one on?
Your own. Yeah.
It's something that I'm trying to figure out how to solve.
So that's the thing about podcasts, like once in a while
I'll just tie in like some problem that I'm having and see
if, like, what's your perspective on it?
I mean, what you said I was already thinking about.

(01:04:08):
I just. Yeah, I guess that would be
nervousness. I'm just too nervous to like to
try to because like, I don't want that friendship to break,
but I also don't want to put them in an uncomfortable
position where it's like, oh, itwas all on you.
So is the friction about to happen or is the friction
currently? Not currently happening that I
that I think is happening but I don't want to do it.
So you don't want to acknowledgeit because what if it's not?

(01:04:28):
It's weird, right? OK, which is so you're right now
you're, you're not necessarily in the situation we discussed
because the situation I discussed there was known
friction. Right now you think there's
friction. Yeah, perception of friction.
You. But you don't know if they
perceive the same, right? So you might make things weird.
Or or that I actually did something worse than now.
Like I don't want to hurt them. Like I might have hurt them
already and now I don't want to take that a step further and

(01:04:50):
like now seem like I'm attacking.
Them. So what was your default?
Which are you? You haven't made a decision.
Yet in action. In action, it's like just.
Patience. In action, yeah.
Is that where the fear of abandonment comes from?
No, I think the fear of abandonment is different.
This is like fear of. Because of it sounds really
this. Is more of this is more.
I don't want to hurt the person anymore, assuming that I like

(01:05:10):
by. Default.
I assume that I've hurt someone intentionally or unintentionally
and that I don't know how to go with it because if I say one
more thing then that might have been the thing that hurt them in
the beginning and I don't want to hurt.
Them again, interesting. You know, if you hurt them in
the first place, right? Yeah.
That's just the thing that I'm 21.
I don't have to worry about it too much because I mean, it's

(01:05:31):
not like a big problem, it's just like a minor inconvenience.
It is someone I care about, but not something I like.
You you guys will get through it.
Yeah. And then it's fine.
You know, things like that happen.
It's like perfectly fine, not worry about it.
One of the things here that kindof ties into is forgiveness,
which I think you touched on before, and being aware of the
things that you don't know. Has there been any time in any

(01:05:55):
of like the relationships that you've been where as hard as it
was that you had to forgive someone?
No, not too, not too a serious degree, but I am definitely
definitely a big believer in forgiveness.
Like off the top of my head, I don't think of any scenarios
where someone really wronged me.And actually I don't.

(01:06:16):
Well, I don't I guess it dependson how you define forgiveness.
I don't define forgiveness as letting someone back in your
life or, you know, not cutting them off or like I define
forgiveness as like I forgive you for what you've done.
Like you don't have Rhett, you don't have Rhett in my head.
You don't like, I don't think ofyou with hatred.
I don't give energy to you and like what you did that you know,

(01:06:38):
forgiveness to me is, is like the Christian principle of
forgiveness, which is, you know,you make a lot of mistakes and
you expect or you hope that God Forgives you.
You believe God Forgives you. Like forgive those as you would
forget. That doesn't mean you become
best. Like I'm I'm envisioning, you
know, your Stampede other cheatson you and then it's like, do
you forgive them? I think you probably should
forgive them and because it'll rot you if you don't, they'll

(01:07:01):
have so much, you know, rent andpower in your head.
You'll always be thinking about them.
You'll always be the kind of like man, like you'll always
like think back to that time with, you know, resentment,
which takes energy up and occupies your brain.
It's like forgive them. They made a mistake like that
doesn't mean I'm going to date them again or trust them again,
but I forgive them. So I don't have any specific
times. Luckily I haven't made that
situation thankfully and hopefully I'm never not.

(01:07:23):
We're to the point where I need to struggle with forgiving
someone who committed an atrocity against me.
But that that's my view on forgiveness overall.
Yeah. Well, that has to do with you
are what you attract. If like you, you have a very
calming complexion that some people that who do things who do
not have that same level of partially the discipline, but

(01:07:45):
also the same sense of security,they're not going to be
attracted to you. They're like, oh, you're too
stable. Whoa, whoa.
Which is fine. I mean, people have their own
ways of living. I just don't know where to go
with that. Hoping something in my brain
would would make a connection. Is there anything specific that
you wanted to talk about? What's your take on alcohol?

(01:08:08):
I don't drink. Alcohol.
Why not? I've, I know a lot of people
that I respect who drink alcohol.
They, I don't really care, but I've not met someone who drinks
alcohol who doesn't have something kind of like people
also do like nicotine nicotine patches or something.
There's like always something like not brain, well, partially
brain fog, but something about them that doesn't click

(01:08:29):
properly. Like it it's like it's like when
you're driving stick shift. It's like you bled off the
clutch a little bit too fast or you didn't do it fast enough.
It's like it's just not punchingin.
I would say the same thing aboutcaffeine.
The only thing is caffeine is also in coffee.
So I don't see it as like a negative, but like if, if
someone has too much caffeine, like 200, three, 100 milligrams

(01:08:50):
a day that I'm like, whoa, that's too much, but something.
But like regardless of the day, I can drink energy drink and I
can still get the same amount ofefficiency that I like to have.
But specifically, well, specifically to alcohol, I don't
have it's like heroin or like cocaine or anything.
I have no interest in pursuing that.

(01:09:13):
And also looking at like if you go to a bar or something, most
of the people there aren't of like the best of quality.
Now, if it's like there's also like alcohol where it's like in
like at home with a room of friends or something and it's
not like we're drinking ourselves drunk, that's also
fine, like making a social interaction.
But most of the time people go to bars and those people like I

(01:09:33):
don't like that kind of environments where my situation
awareness goes through the roof.And so personally, alcohol is
not exact. Like I don't, I don't mind the
people who do. I don't see it as bad as like
cocaine or anything, but I just don't like, I wouldn't do that
myself. Interesting.
So you don't you only make that association when with someone
being slightly off when they're doing it to an extreme.

(01:09:55):
Like if Someone Like You said nicotine, if someone, I say
someone smokes a cigar once a month, do you put them in the
same bucket as someone as a person who does nicotine?
No, it's like a cigar. Like cigarettes or cigars.
This I see is like a premium cigarette, which is fine.
But then they use it, but they're not a frequent user and
it's not like a part of their personality.
That's fine. I think people will live there.
Like the way you're referring tolike pretty intense users of of

(01:10:19):
these substances, like someone who goes to the bar, we can
actually get super hammered and it's like or someone who always
needs to have a Zen pouch in their mouth.
Yeah, I think that would probably be like, I don't have
to have an energy drink if I didn't want to.
Like I'm not addicted to it. I depend on it, but I don't, I'm
not addicted to it. Like I could go three days
without it. The only problem is I won't be
as I won't be as productive. But when it comes to like

(01:10:41):
alcohol, as of right now, I haven't had a reason to drink.
Like there's nothing like my life isn't so bad that I need
something to wane off like I've I haven't.
The way I live right now is way better than 99% of the world,
actually probably like 99.9% of the world just because like, I
can eat, I don't have to worry about not living under a roof at

(01:11:03):
night. Like I don't have a reason to
take something to take the stress away.
Because I know there's a good friend of mine who said that he
thrives on stress and he, he's apowerhouse.
He's like 75 almost, I think maybe 76 now, powerhouse, like

(01:11:24):
he's still, he's still working on cars, still trying to figure
things out. He's. 76 years old.
So yeah, no 76. And he's so like I respect him
beyond anything else because he's 76.
But if you, if he says he's going to be there at 4:00 in the
morning, he's going to be there at 4:00 in the morning.
If he says he's driving all night and he's going to be there
tomorrow to help you with something, he will get like 2
hours of sleep and be there to help you.

(01:11:46):
Even if he's not in the best mental condition, he will be
there to get it done. Like that's reliability.
Does he drink? Yeah, of course I'd like that.
Doesn't make him a worse person.It's just personally I don't
have. And I'm not saying that he like
he's had his his stuff and everything and he's still a
great guy regardless. Just at this point I don't have
a reason to escape reality. I'd rather over over stimulate

(01:12:10):
my body with caffeine and say, OK, how can I make this world
even worse and just like completely delve into whatever I
need to like, I guess that goes back to, to to pain, fear and
nervousness. Like I know I'm scared of it.
I know I need to get it done, which is more important getting
it done because now I won't be scared of it anymore.
And the next time I do it, I've already done it before.

(01:12:32):
So now I have the history of this is I've done, I've
completed this before. Let me just do it again.
And then then just constantly having a self aware like
editing. Editing is a pain in the butt
terrible. But when I first started doing
this, I did both long form and short form editing, which took
like double the time. But now I don't do short form.
I just focus on long form so I can do more videos.

(01:12:54):
But my mind is still stuck on that previous thing of let me
get. So let's say let's say A2 hour
podcast takes 4 hours to edit, but then there's also uploading,
there's rendering, there's there's a bunch of other stuff.
So from I finished this edit to it on YouTube might take 15
hours, most of which the computer is doing it.

(01:13:16):
I don't have to worry about. I just have to make sure I keep
that running. So 15 hours.
But then also if I add short form editing, that's another
five hours because it's not justa short form.
It's doing that 22 times on 20, let's say 15 * 15 to different
videos, making sure the the subtitles are right there, the
right words. There's no odds or like filler

(01:13:37):
words inside that timing is right.
The cuts are good. That itself takes another,
another, let's say 4 hours. So we're at what 15 ish hours so
far and it's like over a couple days.
So it's like it's, I can't do other stuff while I'm doing
editing. I have to focus on that 100%.
So 15 hours plus exporting those, putting them on the right

(01:13:57):
platforms, putting descriptions,putting, I don't think I don't
really worry about the thumbnails, but making sure like
it gets posted, gets put on the right platforms, right?
People are tagged if it's on Instagram or something.
So say about 20 hours, if I justfocus on the long form at it,
that takes about 5 hours. And then of course, if computer
does most of the work, but so mymind is like it used to take 20,

(01:14:20):
now I'm just focusing on five. I can get more done.
So I don't like now I'm have to force myself back into, OK, this
is not going to take a lot longer and it's actually going
to take pretty short time, then get it done.
So what's the trade off of not having of not focusing on short
form anymore? Intent because when you're doing
short form content it's very dopamine driven.
People want that like quick on the spot.

(01:14:41):
I need that little bit of dopamine too, because dopamine
is what keeps people going into it's the, if I remember
correctly, dopamine is the reason is like every time you
make a connection in your brain,like, oh, this person, like
women are very good at making connections when it comes to
like relationships, stuff like that person did this at that
time. We're able to get that done when
it comes relationships like that's that's valuable
information. And you get into this, this like

(01:15:03):
flow of like this goes into a kind of like flow state, like
the the right, the right neuronsfiring at the right time, making
those connections. Dopamine gets spurt for every
single time. Now social media exploits that
by having so much dopamine like look a dog and then it's like
F35 let's go right. So you get you get everything.
And then of course, like girls dancing and all that junk.

(01:15:25):
But for the most part, short form content is dopamine
completely don't mean long form content requires time.
It requires attention and it requires like retention of like,
oh, do I actually want to commit2 hours to this podcast episode
now? Most people do it like a lot of
people do it when they're driving or stuff now, you know,
whatever. So I like like in terms of

(01:15:46):
fulfillment, yes, I don't get the same reach as I used to, but
I do feel more fulfilled when I finish the long form because I
can get more episodes out. But what about a try?
How do you attract new viewers though?
Because isn't is is your goal toso you get this in in in the
ears of Brandon people? If so, how can how what's the
strategy with long form? Because I would think short
form. Yeah, totally dopamine driven.

(01:16:09):
I agree with everything you said.
But if you can attract one out of one out of every 100 dopamine
scrollers to your long form, that's AW, right?
But also podcasts are not dopamine driven that I'm not
saying you're wrong. I'll expand on that.
Podcasts are very much like a serotonin boost because it's a
conversation. It's it's just two voices with

(01:16:30):
no cuts. There's no on.
There's not like different visuals.
And like one of the biggest things that keep like when
you're talking about like Cleo Abraham or Marcus Brownlee, when
you caught like those like 20 million subscriber once to get
like a couple million per video every time they upload.
Those people have like one of the main things when it comes to
videos is visual cues or visual hooks.

(01:16:52):
So every single time you keep someone looking at something,
I'm looking at this, I'm lookingat that, I'm looking at that,
here's a statistic, here's this,here's that.
All right, Just keep keeps the mind occupied and it's like,
whoa. And it's really good for
storytelling. But when it comes to podcasts,
it's just voice. It's just two people talking.
And that requires attention, butalso requires that serotonin
boost of like, oh, these two, this is I agree with this.

(01:17:14):
What else do they have to say that I don't know.
And that's the problem like the first, like when it comes to big
podcast like Diary of CEO, whichhas like I think 10 million,
almost 10 million subscribers onYouTube, which is a lot since
they've only been doing it for like 5 years.
And the very beginning of their episodes, they always have like
a summary. Like they have like talk about
what we talked about this topic,talk about that topic, this

(01:17:34):
emotion comes out there. There's this uncomfortable
pause, right? They have this back story, a lot
of different voices. They they exploit that dopamine
need, but then it becomes a podcast, just two people
talking. So finding viewers is more of
let me see, let me get people who other people are interested
in talking to, and then I'll getand most likely they'll also

(01:17:55):
promote the video because the people like to see themselves on
on camera, especially if they look decent.
Like don't worry about me and make sure that you look good
because I'll look at in any other video, Probably not.
But the main thing isn't to say because once, once you trust
someone, now you'll be like, Oh,that's a pretty good, good
podcast. That's a pretty good video.

(01:18:15):
Like that was a really good insight about this person that I
didn't know before. And I've, I don't get a lot of
feedback on my podcast, but whenI do, it's usually you help me
learn something about someone I already know, but more in depth.
So it's like 01 step further. So now that relationship is a
little bit better because now you're more informed.
So your reach right now is mostly the people that you
interview reposting it, sending it to.

(01:18:36):
They say, hey, watch me on the show.
Yeah. And most, most of those people
are in their 40s or 50s and theyhave like friends who they've
known for years. And it's like, oh, I haven't
seen this person in a while. I live in, I live 1000 miles
away. But now I can see that person on
a podcast and. So am I the youngest person that
you've How old are you? 24 I just turned 24.
Tim is the Tim Allen is the first guy I've recorded like a

(01:19:01):
official podcast with and he washe's six days older than me.
Nice. So so he's he's the youngest
guy, but I don't use it doesn't really matter.
It's just a matter of quality it.
Doesn't sound to me like you're that like you're in, in terms of
running this operation, you're not ultra concerned with just
like maxing viewership or whatever.
You just want to put quality long form stuff out and attract

(01:19:23):
you what you're going to attract, right?
That's pretty much it. It's I can't focus on the people
who don't know about my podcast just because there's a lot of
podcasts and not all of them areworth the time.
Even like the 1st 10 minutes of this one might not be
interesting to most people, but then when you get like halfway
through, it's like the conversation develops, it
becomes better. And I don't make a lot of unless
it's a, unless it's requires it,I don't make any edits when it

(01:19:46):
comes to like my, the way I editis linearly.
So it's like, we talked about this, talk about this, talk
about this, but that's the way the conversation went instead
of, oh, this was interesting, put that over here, move that,
move that. It's like, I don't want to
artificially change something that's over time.
It develops over time. Like the tonality goes down and
becomes more deep, more introspective, but also ties
into other things that we've talked about before.

(01:20:07):
And that takes like, do you have3 hours to spend?
No, but if you want to, here's something about something.
One that you probably will neversee, ever.
Again, yeah, I have a ton of respect for podcasting and
interviewing. I think asking questions and
being able to derive the most interesting information out of
someone such a good skill and I don't think most podcasters have

(01:20:27):
it like a lot of them do. I've I've found myself, I
watched a lot of podcasts. I think it's very interesting.
I guess I'm a serotonin guy. I never really knew the
difference between serotonin anddopamine.
I know dope, you know with. Your family or with your
girlfriend or something Like there's usually a serotonin
boost, but then it's like when you're on social media you don't
mean. I really like podcasts.
That's why I was super down coming this one.
And I always find myself like thinking, Oh, you should have

(01:20:50):
expanded on that a little more or you should have asked this
question like you just had such a such an interesting topic.
You got 20% and you just switched it to like a joke.
That's not funny. I always found myself like being
I know how hard it is. I always find myself being
critical of these like my dream,if I if I could have any, any
job that I wanted to would be aninterviewer of interesting
people have access to. And I feel you probably want the

(01:21:10):
same as you said, understanding people's understanding people's
thoughts, like just being in a position where I can talk to the
most interesting people in the world.
So I think, I think what you're,I think you're taking the right
steps and like, I hope my I hopeyou just don't quit.
You know, I don't think I don't have a choice.
Yeah, you don't have a choice. Invested way too much time and
energy into this. Like there's there's no other

(01:21:31):
plan, it's just this. And what like what information
are you, do you have, do you seta goal?
I want to like when you're prepping with this interview is
was there something like this the information I want to get or
you just like I just want to figure out who you are and this
is my framework of doing so. I'll do a comparison between you
and Dave. Dave, I did have and you know
Dave. OK, so Dave did his one, I think

(01:21:52):
he's got released January 10th and that one, I think that was
like a four and a half hour episode where the production was
4 1/2 got down to 3. When it when I didn't, when I
researched Dave, I just was on the mats every day on the
sidelines listening to how he talks, listening to different
stories that he tells and just writing a bunch of notes.
I had like 5 pages of notes. Dude about personality,

(01:22:14):
personality quote study says he says everything all the time.
So I did all that and then during the actual conversation,
I barely talked. I'd maybe said like 20 things
out of the 3 1/2 hours that got published.
So not that that was a problem, I just like froze up because he.
He was so that was was that moreso because of you or is that
because he was just like directing the conversation and

(01:22:35):
just just going just going most of the.
Time he was already hitting points, I was going to ask him.
So like he would be saying something.
I would be like, OK, here's a question I want to ask and then
he answers the question before Ihave to ask and I'm like, OK,
well, let me figure out something else.
But also he's also very interesting.
So I don't have to say anything.But as I've done more and more
podcasts, I've realized that thebest thing to do is one, try to
do a brainstorming session, understand who you are and, and

(01:22:58):
like small little things and see, like, is there anything big
that you want to talk about? Otherwise, just make it as
conversational as possible and be myself.
And if you don't like it, then we'll probably know in like 30
minutes because there'll be a lot of friction.
And then just ended it there. It's like, hey, this is not
going where I thought it was. Do you want to just end it
early? It's like, yeah, hasn't happened

(01:23:18):
before, but I'm like, I'm aware that it could happen.
So something that's interesting for me that I've learned about
myself since being on this podcast in the last hour and a
half is normally in common in typical conversations, I feel
uncomfortable going on really long rants or like really diving
because I just, I was just like,I'm not trying to sit here and
talk about myself. I wanted to be like, Hey, I'll
provide you with information, but I also want to know about
your life, whatever. But the goal of the podcast is

(01:23:41):
to derive long form conversations.
Like that was probably the firsttime I've ever actually
explained the origin of gotchas before.
And I could have probably talkedway more, you know what I mean?
But it's because I'm, if someoneasked me how you started, I'm
not trying to sit there. Oh, let me tell you, let me
spend 20 minutes of your time talking about this and you're
probably like, oh, you're, you know what I mean?
So. Well, you, you said you're the

(01:24:02):
CEO, the CEO of the company. So you have to do elevator
pitches. Yeah, you have to get people.
Yeah, Exactly. Instantly because they're,
they're also busy with 10 other things.
So that makes sense. And then I also want to show
them that I care about their life.
Like, hey, what's going on with you?
I'm not trying to sit here and give you, but like for me, what
I'm learning is podcasts are meant to really dive into
subjects. It's like, I'm sure you're
probably comfortable with me talking about for 30 minutes if

(01:24:23):
it actually had like a meaningful thing, you know what
I mean? So like my, my instinct was just
like, you know, give, give you the rundown, just ask you how
you're doing, you know, so it was very new for me and like, I
didn't feel like I was that goodat spending 3020 minutes really
providing all this extra little details that make it actually
truly interesting instead of just like quick updates, boom,

(01:24:43):
boom, boom. So maybe that's something I
learned about myself. Maybe like our take away for you
is like most people haven't don't have that experience of
like truly diving out their thoughts or truly.
So maybe as an interviewer, suchpodcaster, you could like
nothing, you didn't do this. But like, just think, just
thinking through, like making sure people are really going

(01:25:03):
into details. And it's like, hey, you know,
like you're here to speak on things for 20 minutes.
That's the thing do like if I soI did this with everyone that I
meet with, do I have 20 minutes?Most of the time I don't know if
they have something planned an hour from now or if they have
something planned 3 minutes fromnow.
So I like, I'll ask questions and see how in depth they want

(01:25:23):
to go on that because people's minds will naturally be like,
OK, what am I talking about? And how much in depth do I want
to go with it because I have something planned 10 minutes
from now. So when it comes to podcasts
like this, I like this is the only thing I'm going to be doing
today. Like only thing I'm, I'm didn't
do any. Oh, I did a little bit editing,
but like I try not to make sure.I'm trying to make sure I have
as much cognitive resources thatI can so that when we're talking

(01:25:45):
it like that's the only thing that takes up today.
Like I don't have any other plans.
If it gets cancelled, that's fine.
Like I'll figure I'll figure outsomething to, to, to do in the
meantime. But for the most part, most
people don't have the time. But if they make the time,
that's why I like, I'd say it might take two hours, might take
3 hours. Like the expectation is that
this is not just a 10 minute investment.

(01:26:07):
That's like, OK, we're probably going to go on pretty deep
topics. We're not just talking about me,
but I've talked way too much on this podcast.
Like this is really weird. That's my fault, but that's
'cause I'm, I'm, I'm super curious in your life.
Like I just, that's just how I am.
I love learning about other people.
I know that this podcast is likeabout the guest and that's just
a strategy, but like, I'm just really curious in how you're
evaluating this conversation, what you're doing, 'cause I'm

(01:26:29):
learning from it. I enjoy asking questions and I
would say that's a, that's a fault of mine.
It's like my natural strategy isalways the push is always to
push the conversation back to someone else and try to get them
to explain it. But I'm trying to rewire that
here. And it's like my job's to talk,
my job's to explain to you my thought process, which I'm
almost never in those situations.
Which is also have you read and how to win friends and influence

(01:26:50):
people? So that's one of the main points
there is that you have to get people to talk about themselves
because people love talking about themselves, especially the
dumb ones. But there's also the other
quote, which is a wise man is someone who has to say
something, whereas a fool is someone who wants to want some
who has something to say. No, no, the other way around, a
fool of someone who has who wants to say something.

(01:27:10):
And a wise man is someone who wants to who has something to
say. It's intent.
It's like, do I want to say something?
Yes, but I also have to expand on it.
It's going to tangents on that. Or do I just want to hear myself
talk? And some and a lot of people who
are on podcasts are not on therebecause they have they wanted
like a communicate something or like get someone else's
perspective on it. They just want to hear
themselves, which is fine. It doesn't cost that much to get

(01:27:31):
a microphone, doesn't cost much to do anything.
But then again, you're not probably not going to have a lot
of podcast people because they don't they're going to realize
it pretty quick. This is not worth my time.
Yeah, I, I'm, I'm the opposite end of that spectrum.
I'm like, I would rather talk about the other person than me.
But you brought up Hadwin president influence.
You've also brought up extreme ownership.
I want to tell you my take on reading.

(01:27:53):
I think you'll find it interesting.
I've read Hadwin friends influence.
I've read the like the I consider this like cluster.
I can. This is how I think of people's
reading journeys in in our generation.
I don't know if you if you can relate to this.
Maybe you know someone who can relate to this or a group of
people, but we grow up. We're young pre phone, we're in
elementary school. We like we love reading diary of
when the kid, you know, Harry Potter.

(01:28:14):
Like we love reading all the books.
Like we just love reading. And then middle school hits,
phones come out, we get digs with phones.
We cancel reading. We just don't read anymore.
It's boring. It's flame nerds read whatever.
I just call my phone, get to about our age, like late 20s,
like your reading's kind of actually important.
I actually enjoy reading. It's a nice refresher from like
five years on the phone. And then most people, they all

(01:28:35):
pick up like How to unfriended influence, extreme ownership, 40
laws of power, negotiation books, like business books, like
your next 5 moves, like whatever.
And then it's like, yeah, these are the books that I'm reading.
I'm learning so much. My attitude was I actually don't
want to read those books. I've read How to Unfriended
Influence, and I think there's some value in them, but I
consider reading to be so valuable, like almost the most

(01:28:57):
valuable thing that you can do. And the reason that I don't put
that much value on those books is because I think you can kind
of extract information from those books just from living
life. It's kind of common sense
oriented from talking, just fromexperiencing, just from being a
social person who's observing ofthe world.
You can kind of extract that information.
Are there some? Are there some nitty gritty
details in there? Yeah, for sure.

(01:29:17):
But if I'm going to spend my time reading, I want to read
information that I cannot get from observing the world or from
talking to people, which is likehuge biographies of people, just
raw history. And I find and then and then I
find that I can apply. Like I've read biography about
Alexander Hamilton, the s s Grant.
I'm currently reading right now,one about writing a book right

(01:29:39):
now about a politician from New York.
And I'm learning all about stateand city government.
If this is information I would never know from just being a
normal person in the world and over here, and then I can learn
and then I can get real insight because I feel like those books
portrayed in like a perfect sense.
It's. Those books are more of
understanding, introspection, understanding, being self aware,

(01:30:03):
understand subtle cues, understand like your own mental
statement. Those are good beginning books.
Like I've read How to win friends and friends people when
I was 12 and that completely changed the way I went through
middle school because I've, I now like try to apply those as
much as I could. And now they're all
subconscious. So those are like, I wouldn't,

(01:30:23):
you're right. Those are books that are good
for people who haven't gotten tothat level.
And then when you understand like this, the basic principles
make that subconscious. Now you can apply this to those
like the more because I know thepeople who have, who are the
best on the podcast are also readers, people who listen.
Like my favorite biography is John Adams by David David

(01:30:45):
McCullough. Really.
John Adams? That's interesting it.
Is a very big book. It is so many pages.
I don't. I don't.
I don't keep track of the page. Like like took you months to
retype? No, it took me like a couple
weeks. It's a it's a good read because
it's it's very actually my favorite.
My favorite book is 1776, also by well, actually no.
So you you're interested in American Revolution time?

(01:31:06):
My dad's obsessed with the American.
Revolution time period too. Those kind of books, like
obviously I don't know the history, plus he has like a lot
of references, a lot of like first hand accounts of that time
period. But I think the most, the
biggest thing is like when people don't understand who they
are. Those basic books are very
fundamental. I've never really understood 48

(01:31:26):
laws of power. I think it's kind of weird.
Never read it. I'm kind of anti reading it
because everyone always brings it up.
I always, I always get the the Cliff Notes, not the Cliff Notes
version, but like the condensed version that they have like, oh,
this certain aspect of 48 powers, like, yeah, I like that.
But I think you're right, like most people, first of all,
phones very much dopamine driven.

(01:31:47):
Yeah. Reading Serotonin.
It's very, very much like pleasurable, but it takes more
time. And that's the thing, like the,
the fun stuff in life take more time to enjoy because it's it's
a, it's a process. I just I put such a high value
in reading. I don't I don't have much time
to read. So when I am going to read, I
want to get information from thebooks that I cannot get from the
world, which is history, you know, getting real.

(01:32:08):
As you said, super detailed information about a time period
where I'm learning. Like you think of George
Washington. You kind of think of the and Oz
and Hamilton, John John as you think of these like almost
mystical, like beasts who are just doing these things.
Like when you really read about them, it's like, wow, they were
super flawed. They had all they were
overcoming all these internal problems just like we have.
But the book isn't sitting here telling you like this is how

(01:32:29):
they overcame the problems. Like this is what you need to
look out for in your own brain. It's more of like you're just
observing it so you can apply itand you're getting so much
history. So like when you come across
someone who's interested in in the American Revolution, like we
can talk about it now. So my advice to my peers that I
would like to to say whether it's good advice or bad advice,
I don't know. But I always just say, if you're
going to spend your time readingbut you probably don't have that

(01:32:50):
much time to allocate towards it, try to just read things that
you cannot get from observing reality.
I guess we can go on like the ifyou want to the George
Washington tangent because he a lot of his time in the
revolution like by obviously theoriginal thing which is cut the
word South of French and Indian war.

(01:33:10):
Yeah, when he was working, when he was in the British military
and like learning his. And then when he's when he shot
the French ambassador or something in the middle of the
woods, like no one really talks about that or they don't.
Or there's also like John Adams,is the reason why the redcoats
at during the Boston Massacre got acquitted.
Really. He was the lawyer during that
trial. Really.
Yeah. And that's why he was put into

(01:33:31):
the, the, he went to the Constitutional Convention in
Philadelphia because he was like, and HBO has a really good,
sincere miniseries on John Adams.
But basically, so he did that not because he was for the
Redcoats or for the, you know, the, for the British or for the
Americans. He didn't care.
He he believed that everyone hasa right to to a fair trial, fair

(01:33:52):
trial. And he rooted that in America.
And that's yeah. And that's why I like a lot of
people are part of the revolution.
A lot of the his own people likehe was, he didn't like what the
British was doing, didn't like the taxes, didn't obviously
everything the American stands for.
He's not a bad person. He just believes that the law
should be applied to everyone not, not because of what you
believe, not because of your politics, but because you will

(01:34:14):
have the right to a fair trial. And that became like his staple,
like, oh, you want to do this? It may not be agreed with
everyone, but now we're going to.
But now you're a neutral party because you can't say, oh, you
don't know what it's like. No, I saved these people, but I
still care about my country. That's crazy.
That's great. And yeah.

(01:34:34):
And he and and that got rooted in American American justice
system. From George Washington, really
good guy John Adams. And then you have Thomas
Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence, who
like has a lot more popularity in that it just comes down to
like, it's John Adams. And then he was also minister to
France. He was minister.
He was the first ambassador to Great Britain after the war,

(01:34:56):
which is kind of like a weird position.
Like we were your colonies and now I'm your ambassador.
It's a it's a weird, like John Adams has like probably the most
least known, but also the most influential.
Yeah, the few you do in school, you do skip over John Adams.
It's like George Washington, great leader, Everyone loved
him. He died then Thomas Jefferson.
It was just like, well, who's number two?

(01:35:18):
It's like this guy in John Adams, don't care about him,
just give over him. Does not, Not relevant.
I always think of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson,
Abe Lincoln. Like, that's how I think we're
taught to think about the structure of presidents, George.
Washington was a really good guy.
Thomas Jefferson is a really good guy.
John Adams is like almost like the the best person to be
because he wasn't well known. He didn't become the most
popular person that everyone knows today, but he's the one

(01:35:43):
who got a lot of stuff done. And it's like the journey may
not get the reward but the journey is the best part.
What did you get done? What did you?
What is he known for? I think as a president he had
such a he had. So I think the worst thing he
did as president was that he adopted in Washington's cabinet
because he thought that that would keep the country together,
even though now he has people who are not always liking, who

(01:36:04):
don't always like him. Then there's also the Senate
that he was because of vice president as a Senate, now he's
a president. So it's like now they're like a
big yeah. So when you're the vice
president, you're the president of the Senate.
And then when you become president, but you're also vice
president, it's like, OK, now you have this like, we were
like, you were legislative. Now you have powers, like,
weird. I think the biggest thing he did

(01:36:25):
was not to be. He was very stubborn.
I think that's like his biggest quality, but he was always
stubborn when he was right. I feel like as an empathetic
person, it's really hard to do that.
It's hard to enforce your will. Even if you know you're right,
if other people are telling you that you're wrong or like, hey,
I don't need to do this, you're going to default to like, OK,
like I don't want to. Well that goes to my the 76 year

(01:36:46):
old friend that I have. He like when so he worked high
up into in a comp in multiple companies and whenever someone
was wrong he never told them they were wrong.
He's like, he would say that, but if they were really stubborn
about it, he would have so much pleasure and watching them make
the mistake themselves and then them coming back and saying, you
know, you were right. And most people don't admit
that. But just like like my

(01:37:08):
stubbornness is, oh, I was right.
I know I'm right. But if you need some more time
to take it to, to understand that I'm right, that's fine.
But I'm not going to like I got other stuff to do.
So do you think about the founding fathers and the
creation of America a lot in your.
Oh no, this is the first time I thought about it in like a year,
but I I haven't forgotten it. Who I've haven't.

(01:37:30):
I might have gotten some facts wrong, but.
I frequently apply a lot of the lessons that I've learned in my
life to them because they're very forward thinking.
They didn't just want a country to survive now, they were
thinking like, how can we set upthis structure of government so
in the future it can because they knew they can adapt, which
I think is very interesting. I think it's a great way to look
at life. It's like I need to have a good

(01:37:51):
foundation now, but the foundation has to be very
elastic and adaptable. And they were goats at creating
government. I could do that, just, you know.
That's what 611 stands for. June 11th, 1776 was when the
declaration of the committee that was formed to draft the
Declaration of Independence. So not the declaration itself,
but rather the planning process to make the declaration.

(01:38:13):
Is there anything else you want to talk about or going to end it
to the two questions I ask everyone?
And let's say I want to hear thefinal two questions.
So the final two questions is who do you want to be 10 years
from now and what would you havetold yourself 10 years ago?
Can you maybe you purposely leave it open-ended?
When you say who do you want to be, what do you mean by that?

(01:38:35):
Who do you want to be in 10 years from now?
Meaning if the person 10 years from now was sitting next to
you, who would you want? Doesn't have to be exactly who
you want to be, but what would be the best perception of
success when it comes to lookingat that person saying that's me
and I'm proud of that person? Might be kind of a backwards
answer, but someone who's thinking myself now for the
decisions I'm making, as in as in I'm competent, I can lead

(01:38:59):
people, I'm respectable, I can speak well, I have learned more
things, I've learned new skills.I've failed and overcame the
failure in terms of like career or like assets.
I don't know what that actually looks like or I don't know if I
like care about the specifics, but I just want to, I want to
look back at my future self and say thank you for making those
choices. I feel like that's who I want to
be. That's the best way I can

(01:39:19):
describe it. Because I know if, if I'm
thanking myself, then I'm in a position where I don't ever want
to be a position where I was like, damn, I didn't do the
right things not to overcome that.
I'll always want to be like, hey, myself three years ago,
like, yeah, you were really stupid and hindsight and you did
all these things, but like, thank you for pushing yourself
and for thinking long term and put yourself in this direction.
Because now I because I feel like we're nothing more than who

(01:39:39):
we've been right now. I always want to be someone
who's thanking my past self, which just means like continuous
improvement in terms of like where I want to be in life.
Definitely want to have kids, definitely want to have like
multiple businesses, maybe wouldlove to be in your seat, like
interviewing people. I think that would be really
interesting. I want to have stories to tell
and I want to be someone who canhelp people as in I kind of

(01:40:02):
mentioned this in our brainstorming session.
But like in order to help people, you, you can always help
people in terms of like you can always, you know, coach or be
involved in your community or bea good person, treat people
well. You can have oh you can always
have a small micro impact like volunteer, whatever.
I want to help people on a, on a, on a grand scale.
Maybe you can say that's like selfish, but I, yeah, I want to

(01:40:22):
help people on a grand scale, which means you need to have
power. You don't have respect, you
don't have connections, you don't have resources.
You need to know how to manage those resources.
So the the finite answer in 10 years might be too short of a
time frame for this. But in 10 years, if I'm in a
position to help people on a grand scale, whether that's
owning a company where we're actually providing great
products that are doing things with a company like work, sync

(01:40:43):
and operate, or being a politician and, and fighting for
some laws or starting a charity or having a media company where
I'm interviewing people who are,you know, inspiring the next
generation. None of The thing is things will
happen without experience, power, competency, some level of
authority. So I would say that's the
filter. So the.
Person you want to be 10 years, you want to be able to look back

(01:41:05):
and say that all the things you controlled, you don't regret not
pursuing them. Yes, exactly.
Yeah. And thank you for thinking about
me long term, not just the guy tomorrow.
So what would you have told yourself 10 years ago?
A game again if the if he was sitting here right next to you.
I would probably tell myself that fun is overrated, and I

(01:41:29):
would say fun's overrated. What's fun is accomplishment.
What's, you know, dopamine is not fun.
And I do think that there's a lot of importance to it, but
really think I would just tell myself to think long term.
It's, you know, like read, you know, try to do things, try to
fail, put yourself out of your comfort zone.

(01:41:51):
I probably spending too much time like running out with my
friends. And like, I love those
experiences and I value them. And I think it provided a lot of
value. But if I had a bit more balance,
I'd be even more thankful for my14 year old self, you know what
I mean? So I would say having fun is not
that important. It is important, but not the
level I put it on and do the things that yourself 10 years

(01:42:16):
from now, I was going to thank you for like I would put that
explicit thought into my brain. OK, cool.
Anything else? That's it.
Thank you for having me. Yeah, Thank you.
It was a great time. Yeah.
I look forward to watching the continued growth of the channel.
Yeah. I don't know, maybe I, I don't
think about like, oh, is this going to grow?
It's like if I do well, it'll grow if.
Or continue to grow the view at least, even if the channel

(01:42:37):
doesn't grow in viewers or data or whatever, you know, you'll
get better at you're already good, but like you'll continue
to bring on better guests and, you know, learn.
I don't. I think everyone, I think in the
end of the day, everyone has their own little thing to talk
about. So yeah.
And I would like your feedback on how on you know the.

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