Ep.07 | Curtis Waterman & Mick Parker | From Bream to Billfish - Tall Tails Fishing Podcast

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
One, two, one, two, three, one.

UNKNOWN (00:13):
The Rodcast.

SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
Welcome to the Rodcast.
How are we, Lekker?
We have literally just finishedrecording our pilot episode, and
this is our seventh episode, Ibelieve, so I can't really ask
you what you've been up to,which we usually do.

SPEAKER_00 (00:32):
Mate, I'm excited about the guests we've got on
today, though, so I'm going tolet you introduce them.

SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
Yeah, so these two lads I actually met probably
about four years ago while I wasin the surf industry, worked for
Salty Crew, and I sent the Halcoboys a message saying, would you
like to attend the premiere thatwe were doing across the road at
the brewery?
And these boys took to it.
They were like, yep, we're goingto come.
And I was stoked to have themthere.
So we got Mike Parker and KurtWaterman.

(00:57):
How are you going, lads?
We're good.
We're good.
You two are like Batman andRobin, eh?
But which one is Batman andwhich one is Robin is what I
want to know.
I don't know.
It'd be hard.
I mean, I don't know.
It's not a question you're meantto answer, mate.
I don't want to divide thefriendship here.
But what's been going on, lads?
You two have been fishing ashitload.
Yeah, the last 12 months, we'vereally turned it up a little bit

(01:19):
more and we've But we actuallytalk a little bit about both of
our love for fishing kind ofmaybe diminished a little bit a
couple of years ago.
I remember we'd haveconversations about whether we
could be bothered going or not,and then recently we've just
been well into it.
Working in the industry, it kindof happens.
I was the same when I was inskateboarding.
You just breathe it every day,and then you're like, fuck, the

(01:40):
last thing I want to do is goskating.
Yeah, it is a hard one.
So tell us about the industry aswell to start with, I guess,
because you're at Halco now.
So how did you get into thatand, like, Tell us a little bit
about what you're doing.
Well, my first job was at atackle store.
It was a camping store atGetaway Outdoors when I was 14.
And I absolutely loved that.

(02:01):
And that just sort of got me inthe door of the industry.
And then I worked at anothertackle store after that.
And then I went back to Getawayafter that.
And then Ben Patrick at Halcorang me in, I think it was 2019.
Yeah.
And I've been at Halco eversince.
So I've worked in either atackle store in the tackle
industry since I was 14.

(02:22):
And yeah, like, like Rothy said,it's, it's, it can be hard to
sort of separate the passionfrom the work sometimes.
And, you know, I preface that bysaying that I would never, I
wouldn't choose anythingdifferent.
And I love being able to beinvolved in fishing as a job and

SPEAKER_00 (02:40):
talk about it every day.

SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
You haven't got it that bad, do you?
I will not, I'm not about tocomplain about it.
But it does– you get spoiledwhen you work in the industry
because you get to talk about itand think about it all the time.
So then sometimes to then dothat Monday to Friday and then
have to get up at 4 a.m.
on a Saturday and do it again tosay like, yeah, it can be tough
sometimes.

(03:03):
But the last 12 months we've had– we sort of shifted our goals a
little bit and started chasingstuff that we hadn't done
before.
And that's been, that's beenreally exciting.
Keeping it fresh, eh?
Yeah.
That's the beauty of fishing.
You can change it up.
You can go like, you know, wherewe live, you can go out, catch
deweys, you can do whiting,tailor off the beach, you can go
up into the hills, catch rainbowtrout if you want to.
Like, that's what I really loveabout fishing and, you know,

(03:24):
spoke a bit about in the pilotepisode.
Um, so people wouldn't haveheard this for a long time, but,
um, I've got ADHD.
So effectively, what ADHD is, isyou're addicted to dopamine.
So once you get your fix ofsomething, you go hard, hard,
hard, and then one day it's justlike, boom, the switch goes off
and you're not into it anymore.
But fishing has become theconstant for me that I never get

(03:45):
sick of because you can changeit up so often.
Yeah, right.
What have you been up to anyway?
You're saying you're changing itup.
What have you changed?
Well, game fishing's been a newthing.
Yeah.
I think probably...
This time last year it allstarted.
Quick one, Mick.
Just bring that microphone rightup into your grill.
Have you seen Joe Rogan where hetells his guests to get that
microphone right up in yourface?
How's that?
Yeah, about a fist away fromyour mouth.
Beautiful.

(04:05):
No, I probably started this timelast year.
We kind of both had the samegoal.
We just wanted to mix things up,you know, getting a little bit
sick of the dewy fishing and...
All that kind of stuff.
Oh, poor you.
And, yeah, just had the goal of,you know, try to get a blue
marlin out of Kurt's little17-foot shivers.
Yeah, and you've ticked it off,eh?
Yeah.
Well, we got one fish in Durianlast year.

(04:27):
We started the first time wewent marlin fishing off Durian
in my boat was, I think, Januarylast year.
Yep.
And...
You know, it felt to us like weput a lot of time and effort in,
but in the scheme of things, weactually ended up ticking the
box pretty quickly because, Imean, how many days would we
have done?
Maybe six or seven full days?
Yeah, not even.
Yeah, if that.

(04:47):
So, like, you know, guys spend alot– Longer.
Just before you got one?
Yeah, yeah.
Sick.
So relatively quick.
Yeah.
With all the teething issuesthat you've kind of got to iron
out before you actually get oneand also make it successful too.
Hooking one and landing one,there's a lot of time and a lot
of things that can go wrong inbetween and that's pretty
impressive.
Yeah.
I first was sort of introducedto marlin fishing a few years

(05:09):
ago when I had, it was back whenwe were doing we had the next
gen fishing team when we werekids.
That's actually how we met.
I want to touch on that.
We'll talk about that.
But I had a, um, when I turned18, um, I got a sponsorship from
Suzuki and, and, uh, and LeisureCat, which is ridiculous.
No, that was a different one.

(05:30):
I'll run through it.
I had a six meter centerconsole, a glass center console.
Yeah.
Which, um, I didn't own it, butfrom a promotional perspective,
I just had the use of it.
Dad and I did a trip to Exmouthand we just really wanted to
catch a billfish out of thatboat.
I'd never done it before.
We lost all the fish.

(05:51):
We lost them in everyconceivable way before actually
managing to get one.
We caught a little black marlin.
It was probably only...
35, 40 kilos, something likethat, real little one.
So that was your firstintroduction to– I'll be honest,
I've actually never caught abillfish as well.
Neither have I.
It's something I wouldn't mindtaking off like up until now and
probably was similar with yourevolution in fishing.

(06:14):
It was never like a goal of mineto do.
I was always targeting like–fish you can eat and all that
sort of stuff.
And then now it's like,particularly seeing everyone
catch them off Perth at themoment, it's like, I think I'm
going to have to start puttingsome time in.
Yeah, I've been hitting him up.
I've been like, you know, let'slike, because my old man's got a
big boat.
Truth be told, he doesn'tservice it very well.
So I think if it came down tolike getting out there and

(06:35):
actually go and build fish andmy arsehole would be pucker and
thinking we're going to breakdown out there anyway.
But I've been hitting the leg upgoing, wait, we, You should go
and chase a bill.
And he's kind of like, oh, Idon't know.
Like, you're not really thatkeen on that.
I don't have six trips in me togo and get donuts.
Yeah, that's the other thing.
It's like, you've got to do thisall day.
And trolling's not like, unlessyou're hooked up, it's.

(06:56):
No, it's boring.
It's condensed excitement.
Like, you know, when you go onDewey fishing and you catch six
or eight fish in a day, it'slike every hour or so, you know,
you get that, you know, you getthat reassurance that you're
having a good time.
Bill fishing is like, you can,you can go 35 miles and just.
and see nothing.
And we did that.
Like I say, you know, we onlyhad probably had five or six

(07:17):
days where we didn't, didn'tcatch anything, but you know,
there was always stuff that waslike happening that was sort of
showing us that we're gettingcloser.
Like we, we raised, we actuallyraised a fish on the first time
we went.
That's a win.
Yeah.
That's a win on itself.
Like this is something that Isay to my young cousin, Kobe and
anybody who hits me up aboutfishing is, How do I do this?
How do I do that?

(07:37):
It's not about catching the fishall the time.
It's about the little tinythings that you take away that
ultimately become a piece of thepuzzle that one day it's all
going to come together andclick.
There you go.
You caught that fish.
Yeah, you're right.
And that's the hard part aboutcommitting to marlin fishing,
especially as a beginner.
which, you know, both of usstill are, is like you can go
out there and drive around andyou're just constantly thinking

(07:59):
like, what am I doing wronghere?
Yeah.
And you hang on those tinylittle signs that you're in the
right area or you got the rightlure on or, you know, you thrive
on those tiny little thingshappening that just– just kind
of show you that you are gettingcloser.
Yeah.
And there's no set way to do iteither.
That's the other hard thing.
So like you think, what am Idoing wrong?
But what am I doing right?

(08:20):
I don't know what I'm doingright because there's no one way
to do things.
Yeah.
I've relied on Mick a lot to, inthat sense, because you've
probably, you've done a bit offishing with other people.
I mean, I haven't done a lot ofmarlin fishing on other people's
boats, whereas Mick has.
Who have you been fishing with,Mick?
It's mostly just Anthony on Senand Ben.

(08:40):
Oh, yeah, shit.
Those boys are killing it,aren't they?
Yeah, so we pretty much pickedit up off them.
Yeah.
But I think it's once you'reconfident with your spread and
you know that it actually works,I think it makes the whole
trolling around being boring.
Confidence is key, isn't it?
The confidence, yeah.
When you're there, like, I'mgoing to do everything I can,
leave no stone unturned, likegetting that fish, that's when
you can actually– Go hard at it.

(09:01):
Otherwise, you're driving aroundthinking, what am I doing wrong?
Have I got the wrong lures on?
Am I in the wrong area?
So, tell me about the level ofstoke there was when you hooked
that one-off durian.
So, you've gone out with a goalin mind.
You've risen Marlin before.
Yeah.
And then, obviously, it's a fairway south from Exmouth to land a

(09:21):
Marlin.

SPEAKER_00 (09:22):
For you blokes, how rewarding was that?

SPEAKER_01 (09:24):
It was pretty cool.
I mean, just for me personally,you probably couldn't have–
written the script any better.
You know, we're in my old man'sboat off Durian where I'd spent
a lot of my childhood with mybest mate, my old man.
It was funny because dad...
Dad was going to come, and Ireally wanted to do that with
him.
Shout out to your old boy.
Yeah, to Russ.
I met him at the boat show.
What a legend.
Yeah, he's good.

(09:44):
He's good and loves his fishing.
But he said, I'm only going tocome if we can go and catch
snapper first.
So we had to stop on the bank.
We had to stop at the back ofthe second bank and catch four
snapper before he'd let us goout to the shelf.
So we did that, luckily, prettyquickly.
Didn't want to come home with adonut.
Yeah, if we're coming home withnothing, he doesn't want to know
about it.
But we stopped and got foursnapper and then went out wide

(10:07):
and and Mick put the spread outand we were driving around and
we got a bite out of the backcorner or out of the rigger.
Yeah, I think we found a bit ofgood water in close.
It would have been shallow.
Yeah, it was 400 or something.
I think we caught a dolly beforeand got a bite and could have
been a marlin, could have been adolly or whatever.

(10:28):
Anyway, that kind of got ourmorale up a little bit.
Went back out a little bitdeeper and Yeah, it was a pretty
crazy bite.
Like none of us were expectingit.
I think your old man was passedout on the beanbag.
He was asleep on the beanbag.
And this fish just came in andate the short corner.
So like the lure that's closestto the boat.
So we run a long one out of theleft rigger and a medium one out
of the right outrigger.

(10:49):
And then the back corner is justin short, like on the front of
the second wave of your wake.
And this fish just, I wasdriving and this fish, I just
heard the ratchet go off andturn around.
And this thing's justcartwheeling through the back of
the spread.
Oh, so it had already beenhooked.
It wasn't even trying.
He was trying to smash a lure atthis point, being hooked.

(11:25):
Dad's got to jump up and clearthe whole other spread.
I'm driving the boat.
No idea what I'm doing.
Don't know whether to slow down.
Don't know whether to speed up.
You're in a trailer boat too,we'll add, as well.
So it's not like you can backinto the sea.
We're in a 17-footer, so it'snot a big boat.
It's a different way to fightthe fish.
Yeah.
That boat bats above its weightclass, but it's still, by all

(11:46):
definition, a small boat.
So you're really restricted withweather and things like that,
especially when you're fightinga fish.
If you've got a 20-knotsou'wester and the fish goes
that way, you can't you getsmashed driving into it like
yeah so you are restricted bythat um but yeah this this fish
just took off and dumped lineand yeah we just we just sort of
did our best at what we kind ofguessed was the right thing to

(12:08):
do and and um just we didn't doanything crazy like the guys up
in x mouth like eddie lawler andyou know the guys at peak and
the way that they fish with anexpert cruise is different to
how we're able to do it becausethey've got Those guys are
dialed.
Yeah, full professionals.
Eddie the skipper, he drivesevery fish.
Everyone's got a role to play.

(12:29):
Exactly.
It's like on a free field.
Everyone knows what they do andthey do the same thing every
time.
So they'll hook a fish and thenthey'll get on it quick, like
drive the boat straight at it.
The person whining is basicallyjust whining up the slack.
The belly in the line is keepingthe hook in the fish and they'll
just get on it.
wrap it up on the leader andhang on basically to a green
fish.
It's the crew's fish, isn't it?
It's not so much like you'vecaught a marlin, I've caught a

(12:51):
marlin.
It's like we've caught a marlintoo.
Because everyone's got theirrole.
But we can't fight fish thatquick because we just don't have
the skill set to be able to Likeyou want to hang on to the
leader of a big blue marlin whenit's green.
Like you've got to be prettykeen to do that.
You've got to know what you'redoing.
Yeah.
So on that fish, we took ourtime and the hook stayed in and
we managed to get it.
Oh, good.
Was it light when you landed it?

(13:13):
Were you losing your shit orwhat?
Yeah, we were pretty stoked.
Did you kiss and hug?
Yeah, we did.
Yeah, we were all over eachother.
Yeah, it was good.
Straight back in or did you juststay out and try and get another
one?
Well, we actually– The old manwanted to go back for some joys.
Yeah, we stayed out for a littlebit longer.
But I think that day, that wasabout 11 o'clock.

(13:34):
It was pretty early.
But I think the whole thing wasconvincing your old boy to stay
out there.
He's like, right, we've donethat.
Four snapper and a blue, we'regoing.
It wasn't as good as I thoughtit would be.
But it was really cool.
And just that, above all else,the confidence to just know that
all the time and effort thatwe'd put into it make sure we're
doing the right thing was right.

(13:55):
And now it's just like, now wecan go out and do it and put the
time in and know that we're sortof on the right track.
Still learning, but you've gotat least some sort of a template
almost as to what to work off.
And now it just comes down totime on the water.
Like, you know, we sort of knowthat we're on the right track.
We don't have to changeanything.
We don't have to change any bigparts of it.
Now it's just time on the waterand dialing all those one

(14:16):
percenters in.
Yeah, mint.
Love it, mate.
And that's probably, you know,up there with the pinnacle of,
Like angling, getting one fairlylocal.
But I want to go back to thestart because I know a little
bit about you.
We've known each other for awhile.
I want to ask yourself, Mick,how did you get into fishing?
So you obviously have done a lotof it now, but where did it

(14:38):
start for you?
Yeah, it probably started for meback, I was actually born in
Broome.
So I grew up there or spent mostof my growing years up there.
Pretty lucky, dad ran a barrafishing charter business up
there.

SPEAKER_00 (14:50):
What was that called?
Oh, sick.
I didn't know

SPEAKER_01 (14:52):
that.
Yeah, Freshwater Cove, it wascalled.
It's called...
Is that...
That's up...
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (14:58):
no.

SPEAKER_01 (14:58):
Where's that?
Up near...
It's not in operation anymore,so...
Freshwater Cove is a location,though, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
So, that was him and PeterTucker ran that.
Yeah.
You know Tuck's?
I think I've met him, yeah.
Yeah, because it was a prettypopular operation for a while.
Yeah.
They didn't have the yellowboats and that, was that?
Nah, these were like littleocean pearl, they're like little

(15:19):
punts.
Yeah.
Where's Freshwater Cove?
Because it's pretty remote,isn't it?
I've seen it.
So it's like, yeah, float planeaccessible.
I think it's about 200K orprobably not that far.
I couldn't tell you.
It's a long way from Broome.
But yeah, they lost the lease onthat.
So dad pretty much came backdown to Perth and- sold his half
to Pete and now he's in Kiribayso he just runs out of Kiribay

(15:42):
still does it but yeah as agrommet man like yeah that's
pretty much what I got broughtup on was just barra like sport
fishing how old were you whenyou moved down here from there
it would have been 10 10 or 11so you had some good years yeah
it was pretty cool like Such acool place to, you know, spend
your younger years.
But, yeah, I came down here and,like, yeah, I thought my fishing
career was over.

(16:03):
As you would.
Yeah, so I did that.
And then, yeah, I was prettylucky.
I met some cool mates.
I obviously met Kurt.
There's a funny story with that.
And then, yeah, I met Maxi.
So, yeah, I just kind of gotinto it.
Maxi Sampson?
Yeah, yeah.
I still haven't met Max, though.
I've got to meet him.
He's good.
He's up now doing the barracharts for Canon.
Yeah, I saw some videos today.

(16:24):
Yeah, so I did that.
And then, yeah, that's prettymuch where I am now, just from
meeting a few good boys.
And we all fish together nowstill.
So I'll ask you quickly, biggestbarra?
Not that big.
91.
Not that big.
71.
71.
Yeah.
Not big.
Zero.
Zero, personally.

(16:46):
Yeah.
So how did your Perth fishingkick off when you met these
guys?
You said it was a– is it– astory that you can tell here
that you said a funny storyabout?
Oh, yeah, it's definitelyappropriate.
What are we talking about?
We don't have a rating on this.
Tell the story.
Yeah, no, well, look, yeah, Ikind of came down here and
didn't really have many fishingmates, so I was always just

(17:07):
messaging people or, you know,if I bumped into someone at the
rocks that was similar to myage, I'd just try and, you know,
get friendly just because, yeah,I didn't have any mates.
This is going to sound reallybad from your perspective, not
mine.
But, yeah, anyway, looking as alittle, you know, 12,
13-year-old, looking up to likeCurtis Waterman and stuff like
that I was like I want to fishwith this guy yeah so ended up

(17:30):
how old are you Mick?
23 gotcha yeah so ended upflicking a little message to
Kurt at that age too like fouryears is a big age gap yeah when
you're in school I rememberseeing who's this fat little kid
that wants to go fishing.
Honestly, I did not want toborrow him.
I don't know.
I seen Mick, didn't want toborrow him, which is, that's on

(17:52):
me.

SPEAKER_00 (17:52):
Sounds like a little dating thing with a marriage.

SPEAKER_01 (17:58):
But then, so that was like at the kickoff point
of, we're talking about the nextgen fishing team, which was a
thing that, It was a brainchildof my parents actually and my
mum drove it.
She sold the advertising forWestern Angler magazine at the
time and just from a businessperspective saw an ageing
demographic that Western Anglerwas operating in and out of an

(18:21):
attempt to kind of sort of movethe magazine into the eyes of
younger people, they started theNext Gen Fishing Team and we had
myself and there was nine otherpeople kids from the I was the
oldest and I was 17 at the timethe captain yeah so that was me
and then There was another nineboys spread from a lot in Perth,

(18:43):
but also some up north and acouple down south.
A couple of sponsors got onboard and all the boys got a bit
of free stuff.
It was almost like contentcreators before that even became
a term.
We're talking over 10 years ago.
That was the idea was to juststart creating content, putting
the name of the magazine and thesponsors that hopped on board in

(19:05):
front of younger eyes andutilizing social media from
that.
perspective um and then it wasprobably i think it was a couple
of years into that that um weexpanded the team and brought a
couple of new boys on board andand mick was one of them so so
you barred him yeah never got toknow each other and then through

(19:26):
fate you reconnected yeah yeahyeah it's like a love story
fishing ever since so you onlystarted fishing together when
you got into the next gen yeahIs that right?
Yeah, yeah.
Shit by you.
I know.
Nah, it was, it was.

SPEAKER_00 (19:39):
But I was 16.
I was too cool for a littlechubby 12 yards.
Oh, mate, if I look back onmyself at 16, I'd be like, what
a dickhead.
Yeah, plenty of that.

SPEAKER_01 (19:50):
I actually listened to those podcasts.
Hey, you did one with likeBrodie Ogle.
Yeah, I did a couple of those.
When I was first getting intothem, I was like...
So I've come into fishing a lotlater than you guys, but I was
doing the deep dive going, fuck,I love this shit.
And just trying to dive deepinto anything that I could find
and try and get a point in theright direction here or point in
the right direction for a lurethere.
And I actually came across yourpodcast on SoundCloud.

(20:10):
Yeah, I only did about- It'sstill up there, right?
Yeah, it would be.
Yeah.
Go and have a listen.
I just forgot about that.
I probably only did half a dozenof them, but- Good content,
Bart.
So what was your- Yeah, it wasall right.
What was your Perth targetspecies then?
Obviously you've moved intoMarlin.
So as a kid, were you good atyour brim fishing?
As a kid, yeah, it was just likebrim fishing.

(20:30):
I was not too close to theocean, so it was, yeah, fishing
the rivers.
I'd get dropped off Saturdaymorning and fish all day
Saturday.
And I think, yeah, that's kindof where it started, just like
brim fishing your flatties andthen you end up hooking a big
mulloway or something.
And then, you know, next thingyou do is you want to try to
catch the big mulloway and then,yeah, just kind of progress from
there.

(20:51):
Yeah.
Got into the snapper fishing andyeah, just moved on.
And then once me and Kurt kindof started getting pretty close
and he obviously had his oldman's boat.
Yeah, we used to fish for deweysand do all that stuff.
Is it competitive between thetwo of you or is it that?
It's like you.
Not really.
No, it's pretty.
Just have a bit of fun, eh?

(21:11):
Yeah.
I think we're competitive.
I mean, I'm competitive bynature and there is a bit of
that with probably with some ofthe other boys, but yeah, Not
really between us.
It ruins fishing, doesn't it?
It does, yeah.
Especially if you're on the sameboat, like we were talking about
before.
With marlin fishing especially.
We've spoken about this atlength.
Obviously, being from a sportingbackground, to make it to the

(21:33):
level that Lek made too.
And we both obviously have linksto the AFL.
We've been around those peoplebefore.
Yeah, you've just got to do it.
Yeah, like it's...
To be competitive with fishing,I think it takes the fun away
from it.
I remember fishing with- Thereis a place for it.
I remember fishing with- Ilearned this lesson.
I remember fishing with my oldman and his best mate from
childhood, Darrell Hitchen, whowas pioneer of sports fishing.

(21:54):
Oh, yeah.
I posted a photo of him on theInstagram holding that dolly.
Yeah, yeah.
That's right.
Yeah, Noddy took that photo.
Yeah, because he- Holding up adolly with a sick hat on, by the
way.
Anyone who wants to go and havea look at that photo.
Yeah.
So, he does- Daz had a charteroperation at Long Island and
Mackerel Islands.
And anyway, him and my old manhave been friends since they
were kids.
And so I did a lot of fishingwith him when I was young.
And I remember a day off Rotoand one of the other kids on the

(22:18):
boat was hooked up.
I must have been seven or likereal young.
And I'd like made it acompetition between me and this
other kid who could catch more.
So I'm fucking barracking forhim to lose fish.
And I'm getting in his ear.
as he's hooked a fish and he'slost it and Daryl's just like,
he just put me in my place.

(22:38):
He does not beat around, he doesnot pull his punches.
I'm seven years old and he'slike, we're on a fucking team
here.
And I remember it to this dayand that just- Stuck with you.
Yeah, it really has.
So yeah, now when we're on thesame boat, we're on the same
team.
That's probably a life lessonfor you, let alone a fishing
lesson.
Yeah, for sure.
That's what life's about, mate.
It's all good.

(22:58):
You talk about competitivenessand stuff like that.
I obviously played footy withyour cousin, Jake.
He reckons you were- shithouseat sport what happened with the
that's rough i'm here to supportyou i'm here to support you oh
yeah no do you know what it'sactually i reckon it's my mom's
fault because because dad dadand chris quite similar both

(23:21):
talented footballers obviouslychris was a very talented
footballer mild man hurt hisshoulder in the 80s when he's
playing for east romano and thatjust the technology and the yeah
the way they fixed those was wasbuggered back then.
So he can't lift his shoulder,you know, past the 90 degree
angle.
So that did him in.
Chris marries my auntie, Peter,Jake and Alex and Ben's mum.
She's an athlete.
Yeah, she's a, she's an athleticwoman.

(23:44):
Absolute weapon.
So they get athleticness fromboth sides.
Cool lady too.
Yeah, wicked.
My mum is also unreal.
Absolutely love my mum, butshe's five foot fuck all and,
Yeah.
I've never played sport in herlife and I take after her.
Yeah, I'm blaming my mum.
You're in a cup of hiding, mate,when you go home.
I remember playing at EastRomano in a development squad
when I was like 14 or 15 and Iwas quite tall when we were that

(24:08):
age, when we were like 13, 14and I played 14s and I played
full forward and I playedalright and then 15s, like
everyone else had grown and Ihadn't and like, I remember
playing on a full back atClaremont.
He was literally a foot tallerthan me.
And I just got absolutelysmoked.
And then it came to training andthey're like, we're running five
1Ks.
And I was like, fuck, I'm nothere for this.

(24:28):
I was a bit the same, mate.
Obviously, my brother and yourcousin are best mates.
Jake was Josh's best man at hiswedding.
That's how tight they are.
Mate, I can relate to you here.
I just wasn't into it.
My dad tried to push me to playfooty a little bit and I wanted
to play rugby league because mynext door neighbour played it
and I really looked up to himand went and played that for a

(24:48):
year.
But I just realised that kind offield sports wasn't really my
thing.
I like the ocean.
That's probably why I've endedup, you know, fishing being my
main passion these days.
Mick is a talented cricketer.
What's the 12th man story?
Keep it brief because we want totalk fishing.
We've only got an hour.
Yeah, I just finished a game of17s.
I was playing at South Perth andthey had the Australia B side.
playing on the, or yeah, thesecond 11 side playing on the

(25:11):
top oval.
And anyway, I had their 12th mancome up sick like a couple of
hours before my game and theycouldn't get another player.
So came out, gave me a shirt andI ran drinks and fielded fine
leg to fine leg for, you know,whatever that game was.
I think it was against England.
And there's Test Cricket isplaying.
Yeah, it was, I can't rememberwho was playing.

(25:31):
Who's the spinner with theglasses?
Leach?
Yeah, Leach.
I think there was Moeen Ali.
Moeen Ali, yeah, he played.
There was a few anyway, butyeah, not that great.
They weren't too shabby.
Yeah.
Sick.
We talk about sporting abilitythough.
So Jake obviously has got youcovered on the field.

(25:51):
He reckons he's got you coveredangling as well.
He said bring up the Mullowaystory.
He reckons he's world recordMulloway over here.
No, no.
That fish gets bigger and biggerevery time we talk to him.
What fish is it?
Because I don't even know whohe's talking about.
We were fishing out of Durian onDad's boat.
There was me, Dad, Muddy andJake and we were young.

(26:11):
We were probably 12 or 13.
This was around that time whenJake took an interest in fishing
for a bit And we got on thisMulloway spot and it was number
39.
We called it number 39 becauseMuddy was on board.
Oh, right.
And this is Chris Waterman,Jake's dad, yeah?
Yeah.
Number 39, played for WestCoast.
And Muddy likes his fishing toobecause our dads grew up in

(26:33):
Rossmoor and straight back fromthe river and spent their
childhood down there.
And we got on this school ofMulloway and Jake caught one.
I think we all caught a goodone, but Jake's one might have
been a hint.
They're schooling by the way, sothey're all the same size.
His might have been a hintbigger than mine, and his
fucking, I don't know, it was12, 13 kilos, something like
that.
By the time we got back to thehouse and we were taking photos

(26:54):
of him again, his was fucking18, 19, and he tells people now
it was fucking 25, so it getsbigger every single time.
But then it wouldn't have beenlong after that that we did that
day out of Durian with you

SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
on Whitey's boat.
And Whitey, who's been anotherguest we've had on here.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (27:10):
and so- I think they were filming Eagle Vision, which
was that, I don't know.
Oh, was Bunga on the boat?
Yeah, that was that day.
This video's still up onYouTube.
Yeah, so Jake and I were on theboat that day, and it was rough.
It was horrible.
If we weren't filming something,you wouldn't have gone.
And Lekka killed it, got two bigdeweys.
I caught a couple of snapper,held my own, played my role.

(27:30):
If you watch that vision back inthe background, you can see Jake
just curled up, spewing.
Yeah, yeah.
That was the end of his fishingcareer.
Chewing on redskins.
Spooked him.
He was spewing from the momentwe left the marina all day.
There was a shot of him justhead over hands.
He touched on seasickness a fewtimes at all.
down the toughest of men.

(27:51):
He wouldn't have come offshoresince then, I don't think.
Me and him have fished a coupleof times around Perth and
whatever, but he's a fucking badluck curse now.
Maybe we've got to try and makeit happen.
Get Josh on board.
I took him fishing once a coupleof years ago, and he wouldn't
even hold a 10-centimeter skippythat we caught.
Actually, I've got a video ofhim.
I'm like, here, hold it, tryingto get him to hold it.
He goes, you done with that?
I was like, yeah, I want you tohold it.

(28:12):
He just slaps it out of my handlike a ghost flying.
Yeah, typical.
Your day-to-day, Halco, wetouched on it briefly.
That obviously got to have somepretty big influence on your
fishing and what you do everyday.
So talk to us about, you get togo on some pretty sick trips,
man.
Yeah, it is cool.
Talk to us about what's thesickest trip you've ever been on
with Halco?
So yeah, it is really cool.

(28:33):
And I was, you know, I almoststarted to complain about it
before, but that's absolutelynot the case.
I wouldn't choose anythingdifferent.
So I'm the marketing manager atHalco and which, you know, that
from a marketing perspectiveinvolves a lot of We do a lot of
filming and testing of newproducts.
You know, the process goes, ifwe've got a new lure coming out,
a new size of a laser pro orwhatever, and like our customers

(28:57):
that are tackle worlds and BCFsand anacondas, you know, a lot
of the time they want digitalcontent to support the release
of a new product.
And so we go out and, and, and,and film a lot of that.
So, you know, our, our, theowner of Helco, Ben Patrick has,
he's got a 50 foot sportsfishing boat.
It's a big West coaster.
Um, that he sort of cut the topoff and, and built into just

(29:19):
this awesome custom sportsfishing boat.
And so we lean on that a lotand, and, and head offshore on
that a bit.
And, um, yeah, do a lot offilming.
Um, Ben spends half his life atthe Abrolhos.
So we do, we, we spend a fairbit of time there and, um, spend
a bit of time in shark Bay and,and, and X mouth.
And so we, you know, we do a lotof trips all over WA bit of

(29:40):
international stuff too.
You know, halka is a smallfamily business by definition
but we sell lures to i thinkover 80 countries now so there's
stuff going on everywhere

SPEAKER_00 (29:50):
yeah where's your biggest market

SPEAKER_01 (29:52):
australia is the biggest market for us um the
brand is you know it's a 70 yearold 75 years this year um in
australia so australia is stillour biggest market there's
there's some weird ones that youwouldn't expect like Bulgaria is
really strong.
Yeah, right.
I couldn't even tell you wherethat is, to be honest.
I know it's in Europe.
What sort of product do yousell?
I don't even know what coastlineor if they have coastline there,

(30:12):
but what sort of, do you knowwhat sort of product you sell?
Yeah, so there's like somewherelike that, they do like, in that
European market, there's likesnook fishing and there's weird
stuff.
Like twisties?
But they love it.
Yeah, twisties.
We sell night walkers.
Laser pros sell everywhere.
Yeah.
Rooster poppers.
They're full range, pretty much.

(30:32):
The Middle East is huge.
They do a lot of trolling there,laser pros, and we sell a lot of
like barra spoons and old schoolstuff there.
South Africa is really big.
The US is one that is big andwe've been putting a fair bit of
effort into over the last coupleof years as well.
You've done some trips overthere too for ICAST.

(30:52):
That's kind of where I washoping you would go with this
question is you did a trip andyou fished pretty close to some
oil rigs, eh?
Yeah, so that was one of thecoolest places I've ever been.
Tell us about it.
So the ICAST show is three daysin Orlando, Florida, and we go
over for that, but it's a bloodylong way to go if you're just
going for the show and turningaround and coming back again.
So we try and go somewheredifferent or try and go fishing

(31:18):
with someone when we're overthere just to stretch it out a
bit.
And that place that we fished,we fished there last year and
not the year before, but theyear before that on my first
trip there.
It's a place called VeniceMarina and it's...
It's about an hour and a halfdrive out of New Orleans,
Louisiana.
New Orleans isn't somewherethat's kind of your ears prick

(31:40):
up from a fishing perspectivewhen you hear about it, but that
sort of pocket of the MexicanGulf is unreal.
So you drive out to Venice andit's just like this old bunky
wooden marina with all these,there's like commercial pruning
boats and stuff that are all 40years old and look disgusting
and rusted and everything.
That's half the marina.
And then the other half is likehalf million dollar sports

(32:03):
fishing boats, like 40 foot cutswith four outboards and- On
steroids, isn't it?
Yeah, contenders everywhere.
And like, it is absolutelyunreal.
And you just, you book a, youknow, you book a cabin there and
they've got a restaurant andthat's pretty much it.
And you walk down in the morningand go fishing.
And it's at the bottom of theMississippi River where the
Mississippi opens out into theMexican Gulf.
And there's like, there'sdecommissioned, but there's also

(32:25):
working rigs around there.
And- It's not like here whereeverything's covered in red
tape.
There'll be guys working.
There'll be helicopters landingon the rigs, and you're casting
lures underneath it, and theyjust give you a wave.
It's up here.
When I go to work, you're notallowed to.
I work at Port Hedland a bit, soI see the big iron ore ships
come in.
You're not allowed to goanywhere near them.
Yeah, yeah.
And you never do.

(32:46):
Yeah.
If you want to, man.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I would never.
You would never.
But there, it's whatever goes.
Yeah.
They've got a fish there calleda redfish, which is like– it's
sort of like a– They look like amulloway.
Yeah, it's like a mulloway, butthey're rounder.
They're almosttriangular-shaped, and they pull
the pants off a nun.
They go nuts.

(33:08):
And, yeah, you're just castingstick baits or casting soft
plastics at these rigs.
And they're an aggressive fish,though.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, and they try andbrickyard, and you're just using
50, 60-pound– They're a bit likemullies, too, in the sense that
you can get them in the ocean,and you can get them up in the
marsh– The marshes, eh?
Yeah, so pretty much themangroves like us.
Yeah, yeah.
The first time we did it, wefished mainly on the rigs.

(33:29):
And then this most recent time,we wanted to fish on the flats
for them.
Yeah.
They're a cool fish because youcan, like, guys, sight cast
flies to them or, yeah, you canjig for them or you can cast
stick baits at them.
But I really want to catch oneon a popper on the flat.
So we spent a bit of time insort of, four to six foot of
water.
Um, and I just cast poppers thewhole time and, and yeah,
managed to get a nice big one ona, on a popper.

(33:51):
Did you eat, did you eat them?
Yeah.
So they, so you'll take a fish.
Um, we're fishing with Mexicangolf fishing company, which is
one of the main chartercompanies that fish out of, out
of Venice.
And so you take a fish and nowyou take it back to the
restaurant at the marina and yougive them the fillets and they
just ask you how you want itcooked.
And it's all Cajun spices.
You can have it grilled orblackened or whatever.

(34:11):
And yeah, you just order fishand chips.
You provide the meat for thefish and they cook it up and you
have a good feed on the waterthere.
It's unreal.
It is magic.
I'd love to do that, man,because I follow Wildfly.
I don't know if you've seen themon YouTube.
Sick videos, man.
Anyone that's listening shouldgo and check them out if you're
into your fly fishing or just...
up for some different fishingcontent.
But JT Van Zandt, another guyover there, like I love his

(34:35):
content and I've seen theseredfish pop up and I'd love to
tick one off, eh?
They are cool fish.
Yeah.
And I remember when we weresitting at the restaurant the
first day we got there on thismost recent trip and they're
like– the weigh station and thefish filleting station is just
sort of in front of you andthere's someone's filleting a
white marlin on the filletingstation when we rocked up.

(34:55):
A white marlin?
Yeah, yeah.
I've never even heard of that.
It's just another species ofmarlin.
No way.
Yeah, very similar to a stripe.
Oh wow, I didn't know that.
Someone's filleting one ofthose.
It's about 60 kilos.
Then someone brings in a boatcomes into the fueling dock
where they get the big fish offand you just see this yellowfin
tuna tail that's like three footwide.
That was like a 90 kiloyellowfin.

(35:15):
Whoa.
So they weighed that and therewas Yeah, there was, I think,
three or four broadbillswordfish came in while we were
sitting there.
You're just sitting there havinga beer and there's just the best
sport fish in the world justrolling in.
Sick.
It was nuts.
All out in that gulf, eh?
Yeah, but those big boats, wherethey get those tuna, they're
doing like 80 miles each way.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, it's a long way.

(35:35):
That's why they got fouroutboards and- So I want to ask
you a little bit about, becauseyou touched on products and
product releases and Halco havebeen pretty proactive in the
last couple of years.
They've had some good ones.
Tell us a little bit aboutwhat's come out and also what's
your favourite because there's alittle barrel of giving a good
run for its money.
It's worked pretty well.
That was a good one.
That's the T Barra 80 you'retalking about and the filming

(35:59):
trip for that was the first timeI'd ever gone barra fishing and
that was unreal.
We went to Channel Point in theNorthern Territory and Had three
days, caught like 400 fish.
No real monsters.
It's only a small lure as well.
So we weren't ever reallychasing those monster fish.
Owen Douglas was talking aboutusing that lure.
We had him in here.
He said he had a wicked littlesession up around Broome and

(36:21):
With the T-barrows as well.
Yeah, good little lure.
So Ben recreated the TilsonBarrow, which is a real old
school balsa lure, which Halcobought Tilson.
That's a wood, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
So Halco bought Tilson in like2002 or 2003 or something and so
absorbed all that business.
But you can't get– it's reallyhard from a raw materials

(36:42):
perspective to get wood of equaldensity.
So like you get one– bit of woodthat's from the middle of the
tree exactly or one that's fromthe outside of the tree or
whatever and so it's asuspending lure by definition
but you'll get you'll get onethat'll float one will sink like
a stone and so if you're youknow if you're not a lot of
people don't mind about thatstuff but if you're a serious

(37:02):
angler like if you tie on thesame lure you want to dial it if
you get smoked and then you tiethe same lure on like you want
to do the same thing that theone before did yeah and it was
just getting harder and harderto be able to achieve that make
an amount of wood so Benredesigned it in plastic with
the Halco process ofmanufacturing a lure and just
manipulated it so that theaction and everything was

(37:24):
exactly the same as what thewooden one was.
And he achieved that, did a realgood job.
with it.
Um, and so that's a ripper of alittle lure now.
And I, I, yeah, that was, thatwas one of the best trips I'd
done.
Um, filming that one.
The laser pro two 10 is a recentone as well.
That was, that was unreal.
Yeah.
The footage that came out ofthat trip from Kurt Willow.
Yeah.
Pretty impressive.

(37:44):
It was nuts.
That was, um, I can't say wherethat was cause I'll lose my job,
but, um, we'll talk about itafter.
Um, that was cool.
The Wahoo fishing and you know,those, that laser pro two 10 was
four years in the making.
I remember, uh, swimming thefirst prototype of it in x mouth
in i think it was about august2020 and we didn't release it
till last year in july 24 so itwas a long time coming and and

(38:08):
ben was really particular withthat one because it was it
wasn't its own thing like it wasa new laser pro and the the
laser pro 190 is like all overthe world is a renowned trolling
lure yeah whitey actually saidthat was his we asked a couple
of quick hit questions at theend of every episode and one
lure for the rest of your life.
And that was what Whitey saidhis one lure would be.
Yeah.

(38:28):
Yeah.
I mean, they're just one of theall-time lures, the 190.
And so, you know, that's apretty, they're big shoes to
fill with a 210 and you wouldhate to make something that's
not up to that standard and, youknow, potentially ruin a good
thing.
So he was really particular withthe LaserPro 210, which is hence
what was a four-year process ofbringing it to the market.

(38:49):
We didn't want anything to besort of, not to that standard.
Um, so that was a cool one.
And then, yeah, the filming thatwe did on that with the Wahoo
and big yellowfin and stuff was,was unreal.
And that was all WA based too.
So.

SPEAKER_00 (39:01):
Gotta love it.
That's pretty cool.
What's the best fish you'vecaught on a Hellcat?
I ask this for everyone.
Ooh.
Mick, what's the best?

SPEAKER_01 (39:08):
It's a good question.
Oh, probably have to be a bigWahoo or something like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wahoo's a good fish.
Yeah.
I mean, the slide hog, like, oh,would have been probably two
years ago.
We went, did a day with BenKnight in Exmouth.
And that was cool, man.
I enjoyed that.
We got, yeah, pretty decentqueenfish on a sly dog.
So yeah, probably a queenfishactually.
That was cool because that waswith fishing with Ben Knight

(39:30):
right down the bottom of theGulf and you're like stalking
these.
You know, we'd caught goldensand queenies before when you're
just casting into schools, butstalking those.
What were you, in a boat or?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's all like flats fishing andfrom a distance, like they just
look like a big school ofmullet.
Like you would just see the tailfins popping up and yeah.
And yeah, on that particularday, they were really hard to

(39:51):
catch.
So we spent, oh, it would havebeen at least five hours trying
to get a bite.
And yeah, finally got a bite.
And I think it was on the new, Ithink back when the slide hog
had just come out, the 105.
And yeah, that was cool, man.
Like you're in...
two foot of water casting atthese massive queenies.
Yep.
And that was cool.
But yeah, I think we lost a heapof cool fish that day as well.
Yeah, a big giant herring.

(40:11):
Giant herring, yeah.
Like this round.
That was cool.
I still haven't ticked off aGHA.
Yeah.
No, they're cool, man.
Yeah.
What about yourself?
Best fish on a halco?
And what lure?
That's hard.
That's really hard.
Pretty much every fish you'veever caught has been on a halco.
Well, you're making...
Yeah, that's all I really usenow, naturally.
So, you know, sort of...

(40:32):
One that sort of just came tomind was like a 25 kilo Maori
wrasse on a slide.
I'll get the rolly shoals.
That was unreal.
Just because it was such an outthere fish that I'd never seen
before.
Was that in the Western Angler?
Yeah.
I've seen that image somewhere.
It's huge.
It was absolutely massive.
The photo doesn't even do itjustice.

(40:53):
That thing was massive.
And we're just casting big stickbaits offshore at the rollies
and You just see these giantgreen masses come out, and
they're almost a bit dumb.
They just swallow lures, andthey just freight train straight
back in.
That was a pretty cool one.
What about you, Jake?
I'm glad I went last, because Iactually had to think about it.
I've caught a lot of fish onAlco lures.

(41:14):
Nothing too impressive, butfirst time towing my own boat up
to Nalu, where I go every year,we had a mental session on the
Mackies out from a particularhotspot, and All we had was the
Chrome Laser Pro 190s, shallowdivers, and we ended up having
to wind in all the lures exceptfor one because every time they

(41:34):
were just getting fuckingsmoked.
Yeah, it was sick.
So Laser Pro 190 in the Chromecolor, it's kind of got that
pinkish.
Yeah, yeah, chrome pink.
I don't know why it is, but thatlure seems to be...
The one.
Maybe I'm biased.
Maybe it's like the redheadeffect.
That's a popular favorite.
I think especially for Mackerel.
It's just so shiny, eh?
Yeah.
It just gives off so much light.

(41:55):
Yeah.
Colors is a funny thing.
We actually had one day a coupleof years before.
It wasn't in my own boat.
It was in...
my mate Paul Nunn, it was in hispops tinny and we were coming
back from a big day of spearingand I'd shot two Mackies but
they'd both been shot and wewere on our way back like
trolling one rod.
I had this shitty old rod thatwas given to my dad and the real

(42:16):
seat was loose from the actualrod so the blank of the rod was
turning around in the handle andthe real seat was shit.
We put...
two pvc rod holders like therewas like a crossbar that went
across the beam of the boat andi'd cable tied two pvc rod
holders to it and i'm like deadman like i'm not an experienced
diver but i was trying to keepup with these lads from donga
who were all guns it was likegot big scare from tiger shark

(42:38):
that day i was absolutely rootedand falling asleep on the front
of this tinny like dead setdrifting off like you know like
the head nodding and thisfucking reel just went bad i
bent over hard and that was on aThat was pretty funny.
Didn't have a gimbal belt ornothing.
I had the rod in between mylegs, like fucking absolutely
obliterating my balls.
I actually got a video of thatthat I might be able to cut in

(43:00):
for a little Instagram reel forthis, but that was on a Halco
190, the first Mackie that I'veever caught.
So I'd actually say that wouldtop that last session.
Went to hold this Mackie up toeight shit in the tin.
It was pretty funny.
What's yours?
I've got a couple.
I...
Actually, pretty recently, Ithink I've sent you the photo.
That Spaniard?
Yeah.
I thought you might say that.

(43:21):
Yeah, the big Mackie we got offBroome.
It's a pretty funny story, that.
Yeah.
So, as we're winding it in, theboat's still in gear because of
the sharks and still had theother line out that we'd

SPEAKER_00 (43:36):
forgotten about.
And I just naturally think thatwe've got another run and it's
just

SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
like...
Look over and then just watchthe...
line out of the rod next to usjust going straight into the
outboard and it snapped the rodin the holder as we were reeling
the fish in so yeah it was worthit though sounds like I was on
board I've made a bit of a habitof catching props lately yeah it
was just like because we'd losta couple of fish to sharks and

(44:05):
stuff before that so it was likethe panic and then just
forgetting to bring that one inanother one for me was I've
mentioned it a couple of timeson these podcasts was not
actually my fish but My son gothis first ever barra, 80
centimeter barra on a roosterpopper.
Oh, that's unreal.
Yeah.
So for me, it was like, andfishing up around the
Kimberleys, like East Kimberleysin particular, those river

(44:26):
systems never would have thoughthow effective they would be.
But I think you've spoken toBirchie who runs tours up there
and they're his favorite lure,the rooster poppers.
What do you reckon it is?
Do you reckon it's a mix ofthe...
popping sound the spray thecolor the action the eyes are on
the bottom of the lure like whatdo you reckon it is do you
reckon it's a combo of all ofthem or do you think there's one

(44:47):
thing in particular because iactually think it's the sound
that i make because i've i'vethrown a few different poppers
and i always revert back to thethe rooster popper i use them a
lot for tailor fishing yeah theroost pop is the most popular
mass production popper in theworld like that by a long way
yeah um and i don't know you youknow you when you get Ben on,

(45:08):
you're better off asking himabout that.
Cause he is a deep thinker aboutthis stuff and he designed the,
he designed the rooster popper.
Um, and I think you're right.
Yeah.
And when you start getting himtalking about that stuff, it is
really interesting cause, um, hethinks about it at more than a,
more than the surface level andhe comes up with perspectives
that you never quite would havethought of before well I don't

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think it my theory with theBarrett is nothing to do with
colour because we were using theblue one and you would think
it's the most blue water colourof all of them and they were
smashing it you're right aboutthe sound though the sound that
a rooster popper makes is likethe bloop sound is is loud.
Bloop and then showering as itsprays in front of it.
I reckon that kind of...
Maybe it looks like bait ifyou're looking up.

(45:49):
Yeah.
And it's a good way to teach...
Well, that's what we were doingat the time.
It's a good way to teach kids.
If you can get it making thatnoise as you're retrieving it,
you're doing it right.
Because a stick bait will swimreally well in that same
retrieve too.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Twitching of a stick bait.
Yeah.
What about with you two fishingtogether?
Have you had any major fuck-upsor has there been any hectic

(46:10):
moments or...
I think we've been pretty good.
I've had a few fuck-ups withouthim.
Yeah, no, Mick.
Give us one of your biggestfuck-ups.
On the boat, it was actually,yeah, me and Maxi were fishing,
chasing Mulloway.
And part of the whole Mullowayfishing was we wanted to get
there really late at night sothere was less boat traffic in

(46:31):
summer.
So we were there, like, I thinkwe launched the boat at one in
the morning.
And, yeah, fishing the bridge atNarrows, like, Slaying Mulloway.
I think we actually got two inthe boat and it was a hot bite.
Like we were seeing fish.
I'm so jealous just hearing yousay.
Like we were watching fish boofbonies off the surface like
barrel.
Like it was actually nuts.

(46:52):
I've had a session like that,man.
Yeah, like it was nuts.
And yeah, we couldn't go wrong.
Anyway, we were so distracted onthe fishing.
We got a little bit too close tothe bridge.
And anyway, we both kind oflooked up and could hear a boat
coming from a distance, butdidn't really kind of like, Act
on it.
And, you know, 30 seconds gopast.

(47:13):
The boat's still coming.
It hasn't slowed down yet.
And then, yeah, it just kind ofhappened so quick.
We got smashed in the middle,like literally under the narrows
bridge.
Oh, in the channel.
Yeah, we were just on theoutside in the light.
So, we were still visible.
But, yeah, this guy camehammering in at like 20 knots.
It was like a nyad.
So, it was probably the bestboat to kind of get hit by.

(47:33):
Oh, he bounced off it.
But, yeah, kind of like just...
T-boned us.
I was up the bow on the lecky.
Max jumped off before the impactand I tried to be- In the water.
Yeah.
I tried to be a hero, like holdon and just got absolutely sent.
And yeah, pretty much likesurfaced with his prop just like
spinning next to my head.
Holy shit.
And then yeah, the worst partwas he just took off and like

(47:56):
didn't come back and- Lucky wehad a few boys that were fishing
like land-based underneath thebridge.
Oh, yeah.
Who was fishing?
It was Mitch Palmer and Pootie.
So they jumped in their cars andfollowed him to the boat ramp at
Matilda Bay and, yeah, sorted itout, got his details, whatever.
What a fuckhead.
Yeah, but nothing ever happenedof it because I think he was

(48:19):
obviously like hell-pissed, butI think there needs to be a
fatality for you to getbreath-tested on the water back
then.
It was something like that.
That's changed now, though.
Yeah.
What, so he just has come flyingthrough, ran over you, and then
just gone, obviously he'sprobably thrown him, and then
he's just knocked it straight inthe gear and took off.
Yeah, so he did see us that lastminute.

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Mitch is a bit of a fucking...
For lack of a better term, he'sa bit of a redneck.
I wouldn't want to get Mitch onthe wrong side.
I reckon he'd probably fuckingkill someone.
Did you smoke him or what?
We won't talk about that.
We're not trying to push that.
No, I think it was all good.
But, yeah, got the boat fixed.
That was the main thing.
And I think, yeah, went back outas soon as that was done and got

(49:00):
back into them.
But it was a bit of a bad endingto such a good night.
Like, you know, we'd caught twomulloway in 15 minutes and then,
you know, I think when we kindof got back into shore, it was,
yeah, almost the whole stoke ofcatching two-mile-a-way was just
out the window by then.
We didn't really care about thefish at that point.
That's scary, bro.
Yeah.
You're obviously lucky toprobably walk away from that one

(49:22):
as well.
What did you learn from that?
Oh, just don't fish late atnight and kind of just watch out
for other people.
I guess it's a bit of both.
It was dark.
Probably got a little bit tooclose to the bridge.
There's heaps of wood ducks outthere.
Anticipating other people'sfuck-ups.
It's not you, it's other people.
I almost got ran into out offHillary's once.
We were just out behind the reefand this is when I had my fury

(49:45):
and we were just trying to getlive bait before we went out to
the fads and same thing.
I had my radar though and if itwasn't for the radar, I wouldn't
have been able to see thembecause I was just seeing
something coming out of themarina and I was like, they're
coming straight at us and Icould barely see and then same
thing.
I had to knock the boat in gear.
to get out of his way and hemissed us by about 20 metres and
that's with me moving and I justremember I yelled out at him he

(50:07):
didn't even see us so I was likeoi and then he just had his
sounder lit up like in the darkobviously it just was blinding
him so if it wasn't for theradar and Goatman's been hit as
well yeah he has he actuallydidn't tell that story so we
won't we won't tell it for himbut we'll have him on again but
yeah his is pretty gnarly in theway that he tells it to fall on.
I've actually had a near miss onthe river too.

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The boat didn't hit me, but I'mactually not going to mention
this guy's name because he'sarguably one of the richest men
in Australia in a verynoticeable boat.
I don't know if you know whatI'm talking about here.
I was fishing the same spot thatall of us here know about for a

(50:51):
particular species and This boathas just, big boat, has just
come hooking, man, like properhooking.
I'm in my little 4.2 tinny upthe front in the casting deck
and it's come so close to me.
It's like, you know, if anyother boat came past at that
distance, it wouldn't be anissue.
But this guy's come past at thatdistance, probably gone 150 k's

(51:12):
an hour on the river.
Like, no shit, that's how fasthe was going.
And the wake that comes and thejet that comes off the, you
know, the tail that comes out ofthe jet motors that are in this
thing.
the weight that it leaves islike six foot tall.
And I'm there on the front of myboat, no time to react.
And dead set, I got a wave thatwas probably like that far over
the front of my boat, likenearly sunk my boat.

(51:34):
So, you know, it's mayhem out inthat river.
You got to be real careful somedays.
You asked us about fuck upsbetween us.
We had a wheel come off the boattrailer at 110 Ks an hour on the
way back from Exmouth and wewere stuck there for hours.
48.
Way too long.
So that was a bit of a fuck up.
That's a, that's a, like it canhappen to easily.

(51:54):
It's like, I think if we talkabout stuff ups on, on the water
or with boat trailers, it's likeyou click your fingers.
Like you, you mentioned it, itall happens at once.
So I'm bad for boat trailermaintenance too.
And even after that, Well, I'vegot better since that.
That was a bad one.
And the bank of the road, theleft wheel come off and I pulled
over, but then the bank on theside of the road was so bad that

(52:17):
if I kept going too far off, thefucking boat was going to roll
over because obviously, youknow, one wheel's gone.
So it's already down that way.
And then, so we had to drag the,and like the frame of the trail
is just in the bitumen.
We just had to drag the boatacross to the other side of the
road.
And then we just parked upthere.
That was at like five o'clock ona Saturday night.
And we got picked up at likefour o'clock on Sunday.

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I had a real similar thinghappen.
My first trip up to Nalu when Iwas 12 years old.
My dad, I won't go into it, butthe wheel came off the caravan.
Once he'd stopped, we justwatched this wheel like,
bouncing down the road.
It was pretty funny.
And then we looked over the roadand there was like some
questionable looking individualson the side of the road having a
fire and dad had to leave hiscaravan there overnight.
He's like, fuck, I'm going tocome back to this thing burnt
down.

(52:59):
I just remember the wheel tookoff into the bush and we hadn't
even said a word or anything.
I just remember turning aroundand seeing Mick just trudging
off into the bush and he cameback 15 minutes later with the
wheel.
Well, lesson learnt, serviceyour trailer.
Yeah, spot on.
Something that I wanted to askyou two boys about is We're in a
marine heat wave at the moment,and we are having a

(53:20):
psychopelagic season.
Have you guys been gettingamongst it?
We obviously just spoke aboutBlue Marlin.
I know you guys ticked one offMetro, so maybe let's not touch
on Marlin.
But what do you reckon is goingto come off, or what have you
been hearing around the trapsabout what's coming from this
heat wave and the hot waterthat's out there?
You've been doing a bit morethan me.
Yeah.
I think, yeah, obviously theMarlin thing's massive.

(53:41):
The numbers this year are crazy.
So, yeah, that's that.
And then...
The Wahoo, there's like, I thinkit was Chris Tanney went out the
other day and got like a realnice Wahoo.
So you've been hearing heaps ofthat.
And then the Mackies, like theboys have been fishing South
Roto and just slaying theMackies this year.
It's like crazy numbers of fish.
Yeah, like real, real goodfishing this year, which is kind

(54:02):
of like something we've beenwaiting for for ages, you know,
like.
It's nuts, man.
And we could definitely get usedto it if it's like this every
year.
It's nuts, man.
Longtail tuna, that cobia, thatworld record cobia got caught.
Yeah, we spoke about that.
We called Klausie up the daythat it happened.
We had Scotty Coghlan in hereand...
We didn't get to have very longwith him because he was on his

(54:23):
way to doing like a newsinterview.
Yeah, right.
Man, what a fish, eh?
It's cool.
What are they picking theMackie?
Are they trolling gars for theMackies or?
Yeah.
I don't want to rub you up thewrong way here, but.
Yeah.
Nah, so they did get a few onlures, but I think the best way,
like the most effective way wasjust with like, yeah, swimming
gars.
So just be like a bean sinker inthe gills and then just, yeah,

(54:45):
two hooks with a bit of wiretrace.
What do you mean in the gills?
Talk me through it.
I want to pick your brain herebecause I'm actually launching
the tinny tomorrow.
Yeah, if you jump on YouTube,you can just watch like how they
rig them up.
But yeah, you're pretty muchfitting like a small bean sinker
in the gills and then you'restitching that up.
Yeah.
And then yeah, you stitch thebait to the head.
Each side or just one?

(55:06):
No, just one.
Like if you pop the gills open,you can kind of see it sits
perfectly in there.
Just one bean sinker.
And then, yeah, if you juststitch a couple of hooks in the
back and rig it straight withyour circle hook or not so much
for Mackies, but if you'd runtwo hooks for Mackies, yeah,
they swim really well.
But you don't have to swim them.
You can just skip them as well.
I think Richter maybe do likea...

(55:28):
a bought head.
I was just about to ask you.
I actually bought one of thoseheads with the little sinker in
the bottom of it and just riggedit up with a bit of wire and got
some guardies.
Same thing.
Exactly the same thing.
It's just a bit easier with theRichter but obviously cheaper if
you're just going to stitch themup with the band sinkers.
I was in the tackle shopyesterday and having a look at

(55:52):
all the options.
They've got like Reaper rig.
I don't know.
I'm taking nothing away fromthat.
rig I've never used it I'venever really looked into them
but I get really skeptical offishing gimmicks these days and
just always try to revert backto what we know I guess stuck in
my ways a little bit not thatI've trolled a heap of baits but
I know that it is effective andI wanted to give a shot so I

(56:14):
thought I'd pick your brainthere and see what the goal is
what sort of depth are theygetting them in like south of
Roddy saying that's obviouslypretty deep but I know they do
pretty well inshore as well yeahI think 20 25s I think the boys
that got on the other day, Ithink they're out even a little
bit further.
So, I mean, the whole, thatsouth side of Roto, like, it
gets deep, but it gets shallowpretty quick.
So, I mean, anywhere from theback of the reef out, like,

(56:37):
you're going to, as long as youfind the bait, really.
But I think 20 is pretty safe.
Like, yeah, 20 to 18.
What's your favorite?
You got...
U17's your favourite, eh?
Yeah, 16, 17, 18.
Back of the three miles,probably a good place for people
to look if they're wanting toget into it.
I think by the time this episodecomes out, it's going to be a
little bit later in the year, sowe may have missed the boat.
Might actually be closer tosalmon season, and that's

(56:58):
probably another one, becausethe heat is going to affect...
How do you think salmon...
We've seen a massive school showup the other day, but I'm
actually going to Hamelin Bay ina couple of days.
But Halco, obviously, salmonseason's big for them.
It is huge.
But how do you see...
That fishery going this year?
I don't know.
I mean, if I'm going to use mybasic non-scientific brain to

(57:20):
have a guess, which is all it'llbe, is that the hot water coming
down here might stop the salmonfrom coming right, maybe not
around the Cape, but I wouldguess that they're probably not
going to come and and end upschooling up in the Swan River
like they might have a couple ofyears ago, that would just be my
guess.
I could be completely wrong.
But if it were me and I wantedto catch a salmon this year, I'd

(57:41):
be probably heading down SouthHamelin or even Bremer Bay.
There's always lots of fisharound that part of the world
too.
I think that's where that bigschool showed up on social
media.
I mean, is salmon something youstill target?
Yeah, we've done a few salmonmissions.
dunsborough and yeah so fun manyeah i don't know that that trip

(58:05):
we did it would have been threeyears ago yeah something like
that man best fun i love it wejust did an overnighter to drove
to dunsborough and in themorning and caught a few fish
and then went to hamelin caughta few fish it's easy fishing
yeah it's fucking great and youcan just park up somewhere and
chill out and the school comespast and you catch a few and you
got a drone yeah That's the key.

(58:27):
Any destinations for you thatyou haven't been that you boys
are looking at going where youreckon would be good fishing or
what?
We're talking about going toCocos.
Yeah, Cocos, definitely on thecards.
Yeah.
I've never caught a bonefish, soI'd love to catch a bonefish.
And, you know, Scotty's justdone a– Scotty Coughlin's just
got back from a trip to Cocos.
Did you pick his– have youspoken to him since or not?
Yeah, I spoke to him quickly.

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They just hired a boat because Ithink– Getting a hold of a
charter operation that's superreliable.
I might be wrong, but I thinkfrom an organization
perspective, it can be quitehard to organize all that stuff
perfectly, like you might hear.
But they just hired a boat.
and like a dinghy and just tookoff to some flats that aren't,

(59:10):
you know, hammered by touriststhat are in town or whatever.
And I think they caughtshitloads of big bonefish.
So that'd be pretty cool,something I've never done.

SPEAKER_00 (59:19):
Are you at that point where you're trying to
tick off a few new species that

SPEAKER_01 (59:22):
you haven't?
Is that where it's at now or areyou fixated on the bill fishing
still?
Is it bonefish?
What about yourself, Mick?
Yeah, I think the next for likeyou and me would probably just
be the, get a swordfish out ofhis boat now that we've done
that but yeah just just that andmore more blues like i don't
know there's something prettyexciting about it we're both

(59:43):
just so addicted to so so wherewould you target swordfish out
of off here like same sort ofthing it's just such a long way
here like even when we you knowwe caught a the blue off at the
rutnest trench the other weeklike we're only in a little boat
and we're just so restricted byweather that when you got like
during into the shelf is like 2627 28 which is sort of doable

(01:00:06):
you know it's just over an hourbut when you start going 35 37
40 which you are if you want togo to you know some sword ground
that we know of here or evenjust a marlin fish at the trench
like it's not that much furtherbut in my opinion it just pushes
it over the edge into somethingthat I'm not willing to do
unless the weather's absoluteglamour so

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:25):
you almost need to be based at Roddo yeah like

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:28):
yeah I know that I mean we've spoken about doing
that before like maybe shootover the night before and sleep
on the boat and then you you get12 miles out the way so yeah
that could be better but youknow Durian my parents have had
a house in Durian Bay since Iwas little and um it was a, it
was a holiday rental for a longtime, but people have been
living in it full time for thelast couple of years, but
they're actually moving out onthe 1st of April.

(01:00:48):
So we've got, yeah, we've gotsomewhere to go again.
Speaking about last week, I kindof invited myself up there for
the week.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:56):
I'm

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:56):
coming.
Yeah.
So that'd be cool.
We'll be able to spend a bitmore time there.
And we've both got to, you know,we're going to during for a week
or eight days in April.
So all of us are.
Yeah.
I won't be going to during, man.
I'll be staying at Savannah.
Enjoy the beach launch.
Yeah.
You're right.
You're right with the swordfishbeing a slog, man.
Like, I went out with SammySmith and, fuck, we went on

(01:01:17):
Brian's boat, which is a moreincapable boat, but shit, man,
we did not pick the best day,hey?
It's hard fishing.
Yeah, you need dead calmconditions and you also need
current.
Like, current's a massive thing.
You know, sometimes we've beenout there and it's just dead
flat, but the current's rippingand you don't really get a good
drift, so...
Yeah, even just getting the dayto get out there, let alone find

(01:01:38):
the fish, catch the fish.
It's just like, man, everythinghas to line up to do it.
Makes it even more impressivethat the Sender men boys have
been able to do what they'vedone, which is not once, but
twice they've gone out there andhad luck on good fish.
Yeah, yeah.
I was on the boat for that staterecord.
Oh, were you?
Was that the second one?
That was the second one.
Dude, that...
Was that the one where theyfucked up?

(01:01:58):
Yeah.
How have we not touched on that?
All right, we need to finish onthat.
When we spoke on the phone, he'slike, got to go, we're sinking.
Yeah, so go through that becauseI heard about it while it was
happening.
I was like, I can't remember whocalled me.
It might have been Sammy Smithand said, send the men's out,
they're sinking and they've gota sword on board.
What the fuck happened?
Well, man, it was like just thestart of like the perfect day,

(01:02:20):
hey?
Like we had, I think, zero knotsof wind all day.
And obviously the boys had foundthe fish before they knew where
to go.
So went out there.
It's probably about a 65nautical mile run to get out
there.
So it's a long way.
Got out there and we normallyget out there before the sun
comes up and try to catch a fewarrow squids there.

(01:02:41):
So you get them when it's likethere's low light, all the fish
come up to the top and you cancatch the arrows.
So yeah, did that.
And I'm pretty sure the firstdrop we got bit by a swordy,
didn't get the hook up.
Second drop, we got bit.
And, yeah, we kind of knewstraight away that, like, it was
a real big fish.
Just, yeah, dogged it out realhard.

(01:03:01):
And then after about 15 minutes,swam straight up to the top,
back down to 500, 600 again.
Like, it was the most insanefight.
That is crazy.
Yeah.
They come up from that depth andthen dive again.
Yeah.
That's nuts.
So, yeah, James Ansell on therod for that.
And, yeah, credit to him.
That was a pretty tough fightbecause it's not really like a
Blue Marlin where you'refighting them– you know, you're

(01:03:22):
chasing the fish and you'refighting like horizontally
almost.
It's just like straight up anddown.
You're using the same gear too,aren't you?
You're not using electric reelsor anything like that.
They're using for bass, groveror barcode or whatever they're
catching out there, deepdropping for, you know, demersal
fish.
You're using, um, you're usinglike Tiagra's and stuff.
Uh, Talica for, Talica 50, bestfor sortie.

(01:03:43):
They're manual reels.
Yeah, you can't, that's afucking slog.
The IGFA don't let, um, youcan't use an electric reel for
it to be.
Ah, of course, you guys chaserecords.
Yeah, that makes sense.
But, yeah, anyway, after, oh, itwould have been, like, yeah, 45
minutes to an hour, I reckon,the fish just came straight up.
We had all the flying gaffs tiedoff, ready to go.
And, yeah, this was when it gotreally weird for me because I've

(01:04:05):
never seen a fish do thisbefore.
Like, it pretty much attackedthe boat.
Like, we got it up on the leaderand it was just doing circles
and, like, figure eights aroundthe boat and would just come
through, like, smash the prop,do, like, a quick little, like,
180, come smash the bow of theboat.
Like, it was...
literally so aggressive heyalmost like it knew you were

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:25):
yeah what you guys were head first

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:27):
yeah so it was actually we found out I was
actually hooked in the dorsal soit obviously felt no resistance
really it was like full of yeahfull of energy and just did yeah
like figure eights around theboat and while it was doing that
Brodie was just running aroundthe boat with the gaff trying to
like chase it to get a gaff init and while he was doing that
he must have hit his foot on thelike access panel on the back of

(01:04:50):
the pod and Oh, like the littlecircle.
Yeah.
Yeah, where all your electricsand your grease lines and stuff
are.
Yeah, so he didn't obviouslyrealize at the time that he'd
stepped on it.
It wasn't until we actuallygaffed the fish and had it boat
side that we realized there wasso much water coming out of the
bilge that we were like, oh,this is a bit weird, you know,
like maybe we just took a bit ofwater in with all of us on the

(01:05:12):
one side and, you know, 150 kilofish.
And then, yeah, probably like 10minutes, like once all the
adrenaline wore off, werealized, like looked at the
back and the access hole, whichis about, Yeah, 250 mil round
was just like fully underwaterand that went straight into the
hull.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:28):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:28):
So I think most boats it's cut off.
So that's just like the pod andthen there might be like a
little conduit at like justabove waterline where you can
run cables or whatever.
But yeah, that access panel justwent straight into the hull.
So yeah, we were

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:40):
pretty much sinking.
That's a lot of water quickly.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:44):
Yeah, Pex was saying the engine's only this high out
of the water.
So what happened?
So yeah, I pretty much- What,the cowling?
Yeah, so the breathers on, youknow, you got the Yamaha logo
and then you got the littlebreathers at the top.
Well, I haven't noticed thebreathers, but anyway.
Yeah, they were pretty much likegoing underwater.
You're kidding.
So, the outboards are prettymuch all the way under.
Yeah, but anyway, we kind of,Hex told us to just dump the

(01:06:05):
fish and we'll get up on theplane, but...
Being fishermen, we didn't...
You fucking legends.
That just got so much worse.
Sitting here with your lifejackets on, holding onto a
swordfish.
You called Sea Rescue and theycame out and met you because I
saw the photo.
I think there was a helicopterthat got sent up that was
filming.
Yeah, we got the full escort.

(01:06:27):
You let the EPIRB off.
I set the EPIRB off because atthat point I was like, man,
we're definitely sinking.
There's no coming back fromthis, but...
Yeah, lucky like Brody, he'sgot, yeah, pretty quick thinker,
like got a big plastic bag andjust covered the hole and sat on
it.
And then we kind of got up onthe plane a little bit and just
let the bilgers take over.
But still, like even there wasno fix on the access hole.

(01:06:49):
It's a big boat too.
It's not a small boat.
It's not like a bilger's goingto empty it in two, three, four
minutes.
Yeah.
But yeah, no, it was pretty likethe same with the Mulloway
thing.
Like we got back and there was abit of a crowd there.
Like everyone had obviouslyheard that we caught the fish
and- Man, none of us had saidanything.
Like, we were just, like, white.
Like, there was no excitement atall.
They just wanted to see thefish.

(01:07:10):
They didn't want to see theirmates alive.
So, like, where's the fish atthis point?
Like, is it on the boat or is italong?
So, we had three flying gaffstied off on it.
So, obviously, like, you gaff itand then it just, the gaff pole
breaks away and you just get arope with just a fixed kind of
gaff head on it.
Okay.
So, the fish is just, like,skipping behind the boat.

(01:07:31):
It's a giant fucking- 156 kilobroadie.
Forget skipping, guys.
And yeah, so there was threegaffes.
The first one on the backsnapped off with the pressure
and then the next one snappedoff with the pressure.
And I was standing there andwhile the boys were like bailing
water, I just like kind of likegrabbed the rope.
I was like not letting go ofthat.
And then, yeah, we ended up kindof getting enough water out of

(01:07:53):
the boat that we could slow downto about five, six knots.
And then, yeah, we just kind of,like, steered the fish around
and we ended up getting it onthe boat that way.
No way.
But that last gaff in it, man,it was, like, held on by, like,
the smallest bit of skin in itstail.
So, like, really, we probablyshould have lost it or just
dumped it.
But, yeah, I couldn't let go ofit.

(01:08:14):
Do as I say, not as I do.
And what, did the chopper makeits way out to you?
Yeah, yeah.
So, we, yeah, obviously set theAperb off.
Anthony had a sat phone, calledhis dad.
I love you, Dad.
Yeah.
So, yeah, Dad sent it out on thePirelli, and he got there before
all the other emergencyservices.

(01:08:35):
But, yeah, by that point, like,I think we were just hitting,
like, the north end of Roto, andwe had, yeah, the plane, two
water place boats.
Yeah.
two sea rescue boats and yeahAnthony's dad there as well so
we got the full escort and how'sthe morale going from thinking
that you're about to sink toonce you realise because worst

(01:08:58):
case scenario you're Let go ofthe fish and you sink your boat.
You've got the boat and you'vegot the fish.
How's the morale when you'recoming through or full escort
going on?
Is there high fives going?
Not at that point.
We had Sea Rescue up us prettyhard, so we didn't want to act
too happy.
You've taken away from– well,not taken away.
You've used the resource forwhat it's there for, but you

(01:09:22):
take away the opportunity forthem to rescue you.
Yeah, but it's not like it was ascenario where you shouldn't
have used it.
No, you weren't being dumbasses.
It was like something genuinelywent wrong.
I think, I think what reallysaved us was just the weather.
Like if it was, if there was anysort of swell in that or any
sort of like, even if it waslike 10 knots, I reckon would
have been done.
Cause you know, like obviouslydead glass, that kind of pod

(01:09:42):
will just kind of skimming itout the water.
If we were getting waves overthe back and you weren't driving
very fast, man, like that thing,yeah, we would have been done so
quick.
It would have been a differentstory.
Yeah, like we were so lucky.
The photo that you guys got nextto the fishes is pretty funny
because I think one of the boysis wearing their life jackets.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:57):
Yeah.
Yeah, it's on the hoist thatthey're wearing their life
jackets.
Well, mate, I reckon that'sabout as good a story as we'll
get.
Yeah, we're not

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:06):
going to top that.
One last question in regards tothat story.
Did you have to make a donationat Sea Rescue or whatever?
It's the etiquette, isn't it?
isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think, I think Anthony made apretty healthy donation.
Don't go out there risking shitto, uh, you know, rely on sea
rescue.
Don't use that as one of yourcontrols.
Like do the right thing.

(01:10:26):
These guys obviously done theright thing, but you will have
to make a donation to sea rescueguys if you do dumb shit.
So not that that was dumb.
It is a good lesson.
I think when things go wrong onthe water, they go wrong really
quickly.
Yeah.
Like you got to respect mothernature and the ocean.
It's a, And speaking of quick,we've got some quick fire to
finish things off, boys.
It's been wicked.

(01:10:46):
I've loved it.
But I'll throw these questionsat you and just both answer at
the same time if you want.
Yeah, there we go.
It's a no hesitation.
All right.
So top three eating fish.
I'm going to go coral trout,ball chin groper, mangrove jack.
I'm going to say green job fish,ball chin groper, coral trout.

(01:11:08):
Yeah, I like it.
Daiwa or Shimano?
Shimano.
Shimano.
There you go.
There we go.
There you go.
One lure for the rest of yourlife.
Slydog.
Yeah, I'm going Slydog 105.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not the twisty.
Nah, nah, close.
Nothing nomad?
Nah.

(01:11:29):
Best boat snack?
Oh, cold pizza.
Barbecue shapes for me.
Yeah.
That's good.
That is good.
I'm with you.
Cold pizza's a winner.
Yeah.
Bucket list destination?
Fuck, this is hard for Kurt.
He's been everywhere.
Probably Kona for me.
Go try catch Big Blue.
Yeah, that would be cool.

(01:11:50):
I would still love to go MarlinFish Cairns for a grand of
black.
I reckon that would be unreal.
If you could have a beer withany fisho dead or alive, who is
it?
That is a good question.
I don't think I've ever evenpondered that.
Probably...
Malcolm Douglas, I reckon.
Legendary.
I don't want to copy you, butthat would be a good one.

(01:12:11):
We'll have to introduce you toOwen, man.
You guys will love Owen.
Yeah, yeah.
Legend.
Especially having that broomconnection.
He's looking for a few crew tofish with too, so it'd be sick
if we could get him out.
He's actually down here for abit.
Oh, because he's here, yeah.
Yeah, he's here for six monthsfor you.
So you don't want to copy him,but you are copying him?
Yeah, I am, yeah.
All right.
All right, last one.
Any advice for a youngfisherman?

(01:12:32):
Probably just keep...
keep getting out there andfishing really like you know you
meet heaps of people out thereyou learn heaps of stuff just
fishing even if it's by yourselfso yeah I guess that's probably
the best advice that I can'tever got given was just go out
there and give it a crack yeah Ireckon one that we've sort of
had to touch on recently we'vetalked about is just keeping it
fun as well like when you starttournament fishing or fishing

(01:12:55):
for stuff like Blue Marlin whereyou're paying a lot of money and
the stakes are high and you wantto do well like you can the
tension can grow and you can getAs soon as it stops becoming
fun, I don't really see thepoint anymore.
So I just keep it fun.
I agree with you, man.
Great messaging.
Sick, lads.
Well, really appreciate youcoming in.
Kurt, you were one of the firstpeople that I broached the idea
with.
And a little side note, Kurt wasactually going to do this

(01:13:17):
podcast with you before.
Time is a fickle beast.
It is.
Don't have a lot of it, but timeright in the way.
I reckon we'll use you up, mate.
We're going to have you on herea fair bit.
You too, Mick.
It was sick to have you guys in.
Cheers for the yarns.
Thanks, boys.
Tall tales.
Let's go.
Thanks, fellas.
Legends.
Unreal.
Cheers, boys.

UNKNOWN (01:13:54):
Bye.
Bye.

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