June 25, 2025 • 33 mins
We explore the tale of violence and abuse prevalent in teen mothers' lives and explain how unhealed trauma continues to affect adult mothers physically, emotionally, and mentally decades later.
- Nearly two-thirds of teen mothers experience sexual or physical abuse at some point in their lives.
- Traumatic experiences leave imprints on the nervous system that persist even when "out of sight."
- Trauma is overwhelming and terrifying, causing us to protect ourselves through shock, denial, or dissociation.
- Some people suffer more than others due to differences in traumatic events, individual makeup, and spiritual responses.
- Hidden trauma may be repressed or normalized but still affects the nervous system and overall functioning.
- Healing involves facing painful emotions but leads to integration that makes suffering finite rather than lifelong.
- You can't change what happened, but you can change trauma's imprint on your body and mind
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hi everyone, thanks for tuning in to our Teen Moms
Anonymous podcast.
We are a podcast for teenmothers and adult mothers who
were teen mothers, especiallythose who survived violence and
abuse.
Our focus is on emotionalhealth and wellness, because we
know that emotionally healthymothers are better equipped to
nurture the emotionaldevelopment of their children.
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I'm your host, Dr.
Chris Stroble, founder of TeenMoms Anonymous, a ministry for
teen mothers and adult motherswho were teen mothers, and the
award-winning author of HelpingTeen Moms Graduate Strategies
for Family Schools and CommunityOrganizations for family
schools and communityorganizations.
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Adult mothers who experience thetale of violence and abuse that
is so prevalent in the lives ofteen moms often don't want to
talk about the violence andabuse in their past.
Their stance is it's in thepast, I've let that go, I've
forgiven that person.
I'm not going to keep talkingabout what's in the past.
It is understandable youwouldn't want to talk about the
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violence and abuse in your past,but if you haven't taken
decisive steps to heal fromthose traumatic experiences,
it's not just in the past.
It's showing up in your lifetoday as a 40-year-old, 30,
mother.
It's showing up specifically inyour nervous system and in your
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mind.
The way you think.
Contrary to what one mightthink, out of sight is not out
of body and mind.
Understanding what trauma iswill help you understand this,
and this is what today's episodeis about.
First, I'm going to trace thetale of violence and abuse that
is so prevalent in the lives ofteen mothers.
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Then I'm going to discuss theimpact of these traumatic events
by discussing what trauma is.
Why do some people suffer morethan others?
What about hidden trauma out ofsight?
And finally, I'm going todiscuss the way out of sight.
And finally, I'm going todiscuss the way out of our
suffering.
For today I'm referencing theaward-winning book Helping Teen
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Moms, graduate, by yours truly,and Jasmin Lee Cori's book
Healing from Trauma, which isall about understanding your
symptoms and reclaiming yourlife.
In today's episode, as with allour shows, the content is for
informational purposes only.
If you feel you need to talk tosomeone, please consult a
medical doctor or a licensedprofessional counselor.
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If you are in an emergency,please dial 911 or go to your
nearest emergency room.
So let's get started.
A tale of violence and abuse.
A tale of violence and abuse.
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Each teen mom has herindividual story, but teen
mothers collectively share atale of violence and abuse.
This on interpersonal violenceand adolescent pregnancy.
The report notes that numberone many young mothers and many
young women as many as twothirds who become pregnant as
teens or sexually, and arephysically abused at some point
in their lives, either aschildren, and their current
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relationships are both, andtheir current relationships are
both A substantial number.
No fewer than one-fourth, andas many as 50 to 80 percent of
teen mothers are in violent,abusive or coercive
relationships just before,during and after their teen
pregnancy.
Younger teen girls are even morelikely to be victims of
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violence and abuse than olderteens.
For example, one study foundthat younger teen girls are
especially vulnerable tocoercive and non-consensual sex.
Involuntary sexual activity wasfound in 74% of sexually active
girls younger than 14 and 60%of those younger than 15.
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The report notes that it'simportant to remember that the
actual prevalence of violenceand abuse in the lives of teen
girls may be higher than thisdata indicates.
This is because victims,partners and families often do
not disclose violence or abusein their lives, so it is
frequently underreported.
The report further notes thatteen mothers later may
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experience emotional andpsychological damage that makes
them especially vulnerable tocoercive and violent partners
when they leave home as teens,they may be depressed and
self-medicate with drugs andalcohol.
On page 16 of Helping Teen MomsGraduate, it is noted that a
number of studies suggest thatteen mothers experience
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significantly higher rates ofdepression both prenatally and
postpartum, that is, before andafter their teen pregnancy.
Among teen mothers, the ratesof depression are estimated to
be between 16 and 40 percent.
Another study ofAfrican-American adult women who
became teen mothers found atwofold increase in depression
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20 years after the birth oftheir first child, and that's
really astounding.
So this illustrates thecollective tale of violence and
abuse so prevalent among teenmothers and the long-term impact
.
In her book Healing from Trauma,Jasmin notes that these bad
things that happen have the kindof wallop that they do because
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of their traumatic nature.
It will help you to understandthis if you know more about
trauma.
What is trauma?
Trauma is, by nature,terrifying and completely
overwhelming.
Something is happening that youcan't control, and it feels big
enough to destroy you.
Jasmine notes that, in fact,your awareness that you are in
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danger is an essentialingredient of trauma.
It is the perception of adirect threat to your life,
well-being or sanity that markstrauma.
Sigmund Freud recognized thiswhen he said that in trauma, a
person feels completely helplessand ineffective in the face of
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what is perceived to beoverwhelming danger.
If you zoom in closer, you'llsee how things unfold when we
experience traumatic events likeviolence and abuse.
When something traumatic happens, it is more than you can take
in and integrate.
You lose your capacity to dealeffectively with a situation.
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You may even lose the sense ofyourself as a solid, coherent
person.
You have to protect yourselffrom what is too much, so you
find some way to cut off,whether through shock, denial,
repression, disassociation orfreezing.
Afterward you may or may notremember the event, but by
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overwhelming you it changed yourphysiology, your nervous system
.
It has changed your experienceof yourself and your world.
No wonder you feel differentafter traumatic experiences like
violence and abuse.
Rather than this experience ofbeing overwhelmed being
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temporary, it becomes a morepermanent background feature, it
becomes a footprint.
Trauma leaves an imprint inyour nervous system.
It leaves tracks in the body.
Jasmin notes that the kindestresponse to having gone through
something like this is to acceptthe fact that you experienced a
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very disorienting blow.
You've been knocked off yourfeet and it's not quite as
simple as getting up again.
Some things have been fracturedthat need to be healed.
Out of sight is not out of bodyand mind.
The violence and abuse may bein the past, but if you have not
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healed, it is showing up inyour body, your nervous system
and your mind, the way you arethinking.
Like many teen mothers andadult mothers who were, you may
be living with trauma-relateddisorders like post-traumatic
stress disorder, PTSD,depression, anxiety, addiction,
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eating disorders and more.
These and other trauma-relateddisorders will be discussed in
an upcoming show.
Why do some people suffer morethan others?
The question of why some peoplesuffer more than others has
been around for a very long timeand there are a number of
responses.
Jasmine notes that there is notone simple answer to this
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question.
What happens to us is different, we're different and we may
have different reasons for beingon the planet, and this speaks
to the three basic explanationsthat she offers of why some
people suffer more than others.
One, there are differences intraumatic events.
They're not all the same.
Two, there are differences inour individual makeup and
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resources.
And three, there aredifferences in our spiritual and
philosophical responses.
Differences in traumatic eventsNot all traumas are created
equal.
Different traumas at differentages and in different
circumstances have differenteffects.
On page three of Healing fromTrauma, Jasmin offers some
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general principles.
One if you were able to dosomething in the moment, you
will be less shattered than ifyou were not able to do anything
.
If you were very young, you aremore vulnerable and had fewer
resources to help you cope andrecover.
Therefore, you will likely havemore scars.
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Think of yourself as a youngteenage girl who experienced
violence and abuse.
You were more vulnerable andlikely have more scars.
If someone you know, andespecially someone you love, was
the cause of the trauma, thatis even more shattering to your
worldview and sense of safetythan if loved ones were
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supporting you after thetraumatic event.
Betrayal of the element ofbetrayal and the injury to your
sense of trust and self-worththis type of trauma leaves the
most scars.
The worst trauma is felt asbeing deliberately and
maliciously inflicted in such arelationship and the very worst
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is by a parent.
Again, think of yourexperiences.
Was your abuser someone youknew, a family member, a parent?
These experiences leave themost scars.
Exposure to trauma that isrepeated rather than a one-time
event is more disabling.
Traumatic events that areunpredictable have a greater
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impact.
Think if you endured domesticviolence.
Your partner may have beenunpredictable.
You didn't know when he wouldbecome violent.
Also, violation by anotherperson is always worse than
impersonal trauma.
Symptoms of post-traumaticstress disorder, ptsd whereas a
larger proportion closer to halfwill develop such symptoms
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after a sexual assault,captivity and torture are right
at the top of the scale.
Again, think of the two-thirdsof teen mothers who were
sexually and are physicallyabused at some point in their
lives, either as children andtheir current relationships, or
both.
That kind of trauma gets stuckin your nervous system.
That has to be healed.
Your nervous system has to bereset and finally, having help
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available generally willmitigate the impacts of
traumatic events.
Help during the event and alsosupport after are crucial
factors in determining howsignificant the long-term
effects will be.
Think of the long-term impactwhen violence and abuse are kept
a secret.
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There's a saying we are as sickas our secrets.
Jasmin notes that it would benice to believe that anything
could happen to us and we couldbounce back.
You may wonder how comeso-and-so can recover from a
major misfortune while I seem tocrumble under much smaller dose
of trauma.
This, she notes, leads to thesecond major reason why some
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people suffer more than others.
Leads to the second majorreason why some people suffer
more than others.
We don't have the same makeupor response to traumatic events
because we're not made the same.
This is a reference to what iscalled our stress response
system, which is impacted by thekind of attachment or emotional
bond we form in our firstrelationship with our primary
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caregiver.
I have written about thisattachment on our blog and in
her other book, the EmotionallyAbsent Mother, jasmine devotes
an entire chapter to attachmentbecause it is so critical to a
child's emotional development.
So the second major reason whysome people suffer more than
others is we don't have the samemakeup or responses to
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traumatic events because we'renot the same.
We're not made the same.
Some people were lucky andreceived lots of loving care
when they were first forming andtheir development was able to
proceed smoothly.
They got plenty of goodexperiences contributing to a
strong initial sense of love,mirroring and touch.
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They were securely attached totheir caregivers and therefore
feel a basic stability in theirown being.
Some therapists believe thathealthy bonding in early
childhood is the best bufferagainst the painful long-term
effects of traumatic experiences.
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There are a number of reasonsthis bonding and initial
foundation was weaker.
Jasmin identifies severalreasons, but whatever the cause,
she notes, for those with aweaker foundation, their sense
of self, emotional health andlife skills have been
compromised, weakened.
And finally, the third majorreason why some people suffer
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more than others is ourspiritual and philosophical
responses to what happened to usHidden trauma.
Jasmin then turns her attentionto talking about hidden trauma.
Just as we may be unaware of animpingement on a nerve, even
though that impingement isinhibiting our functioning, we
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can be strongly affected byevents like violence and abuse
and yet not be able to recognizewhy we feel and act the way we
do.
In both cases, something isaffecting us, but it is outside
our conscious awareness.
It is hidden.
It is outside our consciousawareness.
It is hidden.
Trauma may be hidden, she notes,under several circumstances.
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One is when the trauma has beenrepressed.
And since some of our mostdevastating traumas are
repressed, Jasmin writes this isa major problem.
If you don't remember living ina house where incest was a
periodic but ongoing occurrence,you have no idea why you never
feel safe, even though there'sno obvious threat.
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You may not even recognize thisbackground feeling because it's
all you've lived with.
Yet, as she writes on pageseven of Healing from Trauma,
your nervous system is set basedon your experiences.
Out of sight, again, is not outof body and mind.
Trauma gets stuck in your body,in your nervous system, and
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this is why Jasmin notes laterin her book that part of healing
from trauma is resetting yournervous system.
Another circumstance in whichtrauma is hidden is when you
live in a social environmentthat is trauma blind, that fails
to see or wants to diminish theimportance of certain events.
This could be based on denialor repression in those around us
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, or it could simply be theirwilled intention efforts to
minimize our discomfort.
They don't want us to hurt, andthey don't want to be exposed
to our hurt, because then theyfeel some of it too.
In such an environment we areencouraged to put behind us
whatever bad things havehappened.
But again, out of sight is notout of body mind.
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The silent imprint of thattraumatic or those traumatic
events are still there, skewingyour system, your nervous system
.
I think of one teen mother whotold her grandmother that she
was being abused by her uncleand nothing was done to stop the
abuse.
She had to remain in thatunsafe environment where she was
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exposed to additional sexualabuse.
She became pregnant as ateenage mother at 15.
In another case, the teen girltold her mother that her
boyfriend was her mother'sboyfriend was abusing her and
her mother did not believe her.
Later the mother's boyfriendgot her pregnant at 14 and
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nothing was done about it.
In both cases, the adultsturned a blind eye to the trauma
these two young mothersexperienced and nothing was done
.
Regarding hidden trauma, Jasminnotes that, on a more collective
scale, a trauma-blind culturemay dismiss certain events as
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unremarkable.
This is true when some forms ofinterpersonal violence are
taken as standard.
It may be beating a child orwife, sexual contact between
parent and child, marital rape.
Although such events may not be, quote remarkable, meaning
something to be noted as unusualto the culture group there, are
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nevertheless remarkable to yournervous system.
She references the popularauthor and therapist John
Bradshaw.
I did a series on his book,Healing The Shame That Binds
You, but he brought this topublic consciousness when he
described how, for a child, anadult is like a giant five times
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their size.
Imagine if a giant werestanding over you red face and
eyes bulging.
Jasmin concludes discussinghidden trauma by noting that, as
she will explain, or as sheexplains later in her book
Healing from Trauma, anytraumatic experience, whether it
is visible or invisible,imprints the nervous system,
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which serves as our primaryregister for trauma.
It is what happens in thenervous system, our responses to
the perceived threat, thatdetermines if something is
traumatic or not.
It is helpful, she writes, toacknowledge events that may have
imprinted you in this way.
Think for a minute of yourexperiences with violence and
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abuse.
It is helpful to acknowledgethose events and how they
affected you.
They may have imprinted yournervous system.
Will it always be like this?
We've all heard the saying lifegoes on.
But Jasmin notes that, for thosewho are caught in trauma, the
sad truth is life doesn't simplymove on away from these
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undigested events without somehelp.
Imprints of trauma follow youeverywhere.
Imprints of trauma follow youeverywhere, leaving you never
simply here and now.
The present is always beinginfluenced by the past, like a
computer virus infectingeverything it comes in contact
with.
It takes time for the body-mindto right itself, to let go of
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the mechanisms and unconsciousforces that hold those
terrifying imprints close to us,and it takes time for the
nervous system to be reset.
It's a big job, she notes avery, very hard assignment, and
I agree, but it's not impossible.
It's important for you to knowthat you may always have certain
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sensitivities, but most of thesymptoms that plague you can
know that you may always havecertain sensitivities, but most
of the symptoms that plague youcan be resolved.
There's life beyond trauma.
Two kinds of suffering.
Jasmin concludes chapter one ofher book Healing from Trauma by
explaining that there are twokinds of suffering you should
know about.
One is the suffering caused bywhat happened, the violence and
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abuse you experienced, thebetrayal, the injury, which
includes the suffering of livingwith those experiences and with
the symptoms that resulted fromthem.
If you're lucky, the sufferingmay decrease in time, although
for those who suffer withfull-blown trauma syndromes, it
tends not to.
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Some of the suffering isactually the result of the
strategies we use to try toavoid the real pain of what
happened and ways we putourselves into quote checkmate,
trying to stay safe.
She then acknowledges that whenwe commit ourselves to healing,
we open up to a different kindof suffering the pain that is
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part of the healing process.
This is the pain that was toooverwhelming to feel before.
It's the pain we blocked duringthe traumatic events and the
pain that arises when we feelthe full impact of trauma.
When we feel the full impact oftrauma.
Traumatic events like theviolence and abuse so prevalent
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in the lives of teen mothers arelike thieves that take
something precious from us.
It may be a lost childhood,lost health, loss of certain
dreams, loss of trust or loss ofconfidence.
There are many possibilitiesand we're not limited to just
one.
And, as I read in the book, theCourage to Heal some things
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can't be retrieved.
Graduating from high schoolcan't be retrieved.
Child birthing years can't beretrieved, and you have to
grieve this In the healingprocess.
Jasmine notes we grieve theselosses In the healing process.
Jasmin notes we grieve theselosses.
We feel the pain of the lonelychild waiting for love and
finally giving up.
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We open to the terror we feltjust before the violence and
abuse.
We open to the helplessness andto the rage, to the body
sensations, to the hatred, toall of it.
It can be really, reallypainful.
I agree.
If handled skillfully, jasminenotes that this suffering
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becomes therapeutic.
We heal.
If not handled skillful, we candrown in it.
Throughout her book Healing fromTrauma, she talks about the
task of healing so you won'tdrown in it.
She talks about how to choosethe right helpers, like a trauma
therapist.
She talks about what types ofintervention different types of
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therapies might be helpful toyou.
She talks about tools fordealing with trauma, tools for
living spiritual issues and howto know when you have healed.
If you want to learn more abouthealing, her book Healing from
Trauma is a great resource.
Also here.
I just want to reiterate againthat if, listening to any of our
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episodes, you feel you need totalk to someone, please consult
a medical doctor or licensedprofessional counselor.
If you are in an emergency,please dial 911 or go to your
nearest emergency room.
We want you to keep yourselfsafe.
Is it all worth it?
You may wonder if the secondkind of suffering involved in
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healing is worth it, and somemay decide that it is not.
Yet we often do not get out ofthe first suffering without it,
and for many that sufferingmakes it very hard to function
in life or certainly to have afull life.
As I open with as a 20, 30, 40year old mother, if you have not
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healed, you may be living withtrauma related disorders like
post-traumatic stress disorder,depression, anxiety, eating
disorders.
I'll discuss thesetrauma-related disorders in an
upcoming episode.
Jasmine is an incest survivorand toward the end of chapter
one, she shares part of her ownjourney of healing.
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For me, the pain of healing wasvery hard to bear.
It was sharper in many waysthan the earlier pain, but it
was finite and it passed.
The pain that preceded it, incontrast, would likely have gone
on for the rest of my life.
It may have been intermittentand oftentimes more dull, but it
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had an undermining effect.
That early pain, the sufferingI had not yet come to terms with
, had many hidden costs.
I remember very clearly, shesays, when I decided I had to do
something different.
I was hiking with a friend andnoticed that I held a bitterness
under the surface.
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The bitterness was familiar,but I had not specifically
noticed it before.
The last thing in the world Iwanted was to be a better person
.
So I went home and surrenderedto the pain that had heartened
into that bitterness.
The surrender was a turningpoint for me.
I cried nearly every day.
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It was part of letting up theemotional component that had
been only partially present inmuch of my earlier recovery of
memories and the beginning of adeeper grieving for my losses.
The crying itself did notresolve things for me, but it
was part of what prepared me forwhat came later, when the
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opportunity presented itself toreally cleanse the wounds with a
qualified trauma therapist.
She ends chapter one as sheopened, acknowledging that stuff
happens.
She says it a little different.
It happened to her, it happenedto me, it happened to you.
It can embitter and traumatizeus for the rest of our lives or
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we can slowly integrate it,moving through its pain as we
become simultaneously softer andstronger, wiser and less
cynical.
You didn't choose what happened, but you can choose your path
now.
So, just to wrap things up, whenit comes to adult mothers who
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experience the tale of violenceand abuse that is so prevalent
in the lives of teen moms, teenmothers often they don't want to
talk about the violence andabuse of their past.
Their stance is it's in thepast.
I've let that go, I've forgiventhat person.
I'm not going to keep talkingabout what's in the past.
It is understandable that youdon't want to talk about the
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violence and abuse in your past,but if you haven't taken
decisive steps to heal thosetraumatic experiences, it's not
just in the past.
It's showing up in your lifetoday, as a 20, 30, 40-year-old
mother.
It's showing up in your body,your nervous system and your
mind.
The way you think, contrary towhat one might think out of
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sight is not out of body andmind.
Today I trace the tale ofviolence and abuse that is so
prevalent in the lives of teenmothers.
I explain that these bad thingsthat have happened have the
kind of wallop that they dobecause of their traumatic
nature, and it helps tounderstand this if you know more
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about trauma.
I discuss what trauma is.
Trauma is, by nature, terrifyingand completely overwhelming.
Something is happening that youcan't control and it feels big
enough to destroy you.
In fact, your awareness thatyou are in danger is an
essential ingredient of trauma.
It is the perception of adirect threat to your life,
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well-being and sanity that markstrauma.
When something traumatichappens, like violence and abuse
, it is more than you can takein and integrate.
You lose your capacity to dealeffectively with a situation.
You may even lose a sense ofyourself as a solid, coherent
person.
You have to protect yourselffrom what is too much, so you
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find some ways to cut off,whether through shock, denial,
repression, disassociation orfreezing.
Afterward you may or may notremember the event, but by
overwhelming you it changed yourphysiology, your nervous system
.
It has changed your experienceof yourself and the world.
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No wonder you feel differentafter traumatic experiences like
violence and abuse.
Jasmin notes that the kindestresponse to having gone through
something like this is to acceptthe fact that you experienced a
very disorienting blow.
You've been knocked off yourfeet and it is not quite as
simple as getting up again.
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Some things have been fracturedthat need to be healed.
I discussed today why somepeople suffer more than others.
Jasmine offers three reasons.
What happens to us is different.
Not all traumas are equal.
We're different, our stressresponse systems are different,
and we have different spiritualand philosophical responses to
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what has happened to us.
I talked about trauma that ishidden.
Though it may be out of sight,it is not out of mind.
Trauma gets stuck in your body,in your nervous system.
It leaves tracks, footprints inthe body, and part of healing
from trauma is resetting yournervous system.
Finally, I shared the hope thatthings don't always have to be
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the way they are.
You can heal.
You can't change what happened,but you can change its imprint
on you, on your nervous system.
This will not happenautomatically, but it can happen
if you give yourself over tothe process of healing.
So this is our show for today.
Thanks for listening to our TeenMoms Anonymous podcast.
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We are a podcast for teenmothers and adult mothers who
were teen mothers, especiallythose who survived violence and
abuse.
Our focus is on emotionalhealth and wellness, because we
know that emotionally healthymothers are better equipped to
nurture the emotionaldevelopment of their children.
Host Dr.
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Chris Stroble, founder of TeenMoms Anonymous, a ministry for
teen mothers and adult motherswho were teen mothers, and the
award-winning author of HelpingTeen Moms Graduate Strategies
for Family, Schools andCommunity Organizations.
I hope this information hasbeen helpful to you.
If it has helped you, send us amessage to let us know.
We love to hear from listeners.
You can email us at info@teammomsa.
org or via our website,teammomsA.
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org.
Fill out the contact form.
If you have questions or topicsyou'd like me to discuss, send
those to me and I will addressas many as I can in future shows
.
Finally, we are committed towalking alongside you on your
journey of healing, so stayconnected to us.
Follow us on social mediaInstagram and Facebook at Teen
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Moms Anonymous.
Visit our website, teenmomsA.
org, and subscribe to our blogand podcast If you're in the
Greenville Spartanburg area ofSouth Carolina.
We offer local in-personsupport groups where teen
mothers and adult mothers whowere can begin to talk about
what they experienced and healfrom the violence and abuse in
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their lives.
Currently, we don't offeronline support groups.
Agencies from multiple stateshave contacted me about online
support groups, but at this timewe don't have the
infrastructure to ensure thesafety of our members, so we
can't offer online supportgroups.
When we have that capability,we'll let you know.
This is another reason to stayconnected to us.
Follow us on social media,subscribe to our blog and
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podcast and continue to listento episodes of our podcast.
So again, thanks for listeningto our Teen Moms Anonymous
podcast.
We'll see you the next time.
Hi everyone, thanks for tuning in to our Teen Moms
Anonymous podcast.
We are a podcast for teenmothers and adult mothers who
were teen mothers, especiallythose who survived violence and
abuse.
Our focus is on emotionalhealth and wellness, because we
know that emotionally healthymothers are better equipped to
nurture the emotionaldevelopment of their children.
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I'm your host, Dr.
Chris Stroble, founder of TeenMoms Anonymous, a ministry for
teen mothers and adult motherswho were teen mothers, and the
award-winning author of HelpingTeen Moms Graduate Strategies
for Family Schools and CommunityOrganizations for family
schools and communityorganizations.
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Adult mothers who experience thetale of violence and abuse that
is so prevalent in the lives ofteen moms often don't want to
talk about the violence andabuse in their past.
Their stance is it's in thepast, I've let that go, I've
forgiven that person.
I'm not going to keep talkingabout what's in the past.
It is understandable youwouldn't want to talk about the
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violence and abuse in your past,but if you haven't taken
decisive steps to heal fromthose traumatic experiences,
it's not just in the past.
It's showing up in your lifetoday as a 40-year-old, 30,
mother.
It's showing up specifically inyour nervous system and in your
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mind.
The way you think.
Contrary to what one mightthink, out of sight is not out
of body and mind.
Understanding what trauma iswill help you understand this,
and this is what today's episodeis about.
First, I'm going to trace thetale of violence and abuse that
is so prevalent in the lives ofteen mothers.
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Then I'm going to discuss theimpact of these traumatic events
by discussing what trauma is.
Why do some people suffer morethan others?
What about hidden trauma out ofsight?
And finally, I'm going todiscuss the way out of sight.
And finally, I'm going todiscuss the way out of our
suffering.
For today I'm referencing theaward-winning book Helping Teen
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Moms, graduate, by yours truly,and Jasmin Lee Cori's book
Healing from Trauma, which isall about understanding your
symptoms and reclaiming yourlife.
In today's episode, as with allour shows, the content is for
informational purposes only.
If you feel you need to talk tosomeone, please consult a
medical doctor or a licensedprofessional counselor.
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If you are in an emergency,please dial 911 or go to your
nearest emergency room.
So let's get started.
A tale of violence and abuse.
A tale of violence and abuse.
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Each teen mom has herindividual story, but teen
mothers collectively share atale of violence and abuse.
This on interpersonal violenceand adolescent pregnancy.
The report notes that numberone many young mothers and many
young women as many as twothirds who become pregnant as
teens or sexually, and arephysically abused at some point
in their lives, either aschildren, and their current
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relationships are both, andtheir current relationships are
both A substantial number.
No fewer than one-fourth, andas many as 50 to 80 percent of
teen mothers are in violent,abusive or coercive
relationships just before,during and after their teen
pregnancy.
Younger teen girls are even morelikely to be victims of
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violence and abuse than olderteens.
For example, one study foundthat younger teen girls are
especially vulnerable tocoercive and non-consensual sex.
Involuntary sexual activity wasfound in 74% of sexually active
girls younger than 14 and 60%of those younger than 15.
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The report notes that it'simportant to remember that the
actual prevalence of violenceand abuse in the lives of teen
girls may be higher than thisdata indicates.
This is because victims,partners and families often do
not disclose violence or abusein their lives, so it is
frequently underreported.
The report further notes thatteen mothers later may
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experience emotional andpsychological damage that makes
them especially vulnerable tocoercive and violent partners
when they leave home as teens,they may be depressed and
self-medicate with drugs andalcohol.
On page 16 of Helping Teen MomsGraduate, it is noted that a
number of studies suggest thatteen mothers experience
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significantly higher rates ofdepression both prenatally and
postpartum, that is, before andafter their teen pregnancy.
Among teen mothers, the ratesof depression are estimated to
be between 16 and 40 percent.
Another study ofAfrican-American adult women who
became teen mothers found atwofold increase in depression
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20 years after the birth oftheir first child, and that's
really astounding.
So this illustrates thecollective tale of violence and
abuse so prevalent among teenmothers and the long-term impact
.
In her book Healing from Trauma,Jasmin notes that these bad
things that happen have the kindof wallop that they do because
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of their traumatic nature.
It will help you to understandthis if you know more about
trauma.
What is trauma?
Trauma is, by nature,terrifying and completely
overwhelming.
Something is happening that youcan't control, and it feels big
enough to destroy you.
Jasmine notes that, in fact,your awareness that you are in
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danger is an essentialingredient of trauma.
It is the perception of adirect threat to your life,
well-being or sanity that markstrauma.
Sigmund Freud recognized thiswhen he said that in trauma, a
person feels completely helplessand ineffective in the face of
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what is perceived to beoverwhelming danger.
If you zoom in closer, you'llsee how things unfold when we
experience traumatic events likeviolence and abuse.
When something traumatic happens, it is more than you can take
in and integrate.
You lose your capacity to dealeffectively with a situation.
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You may even lose the sense ofyourself as a solid, coherent
person.
You have to protect yourselffrom what is too much, so you
find some way to cut off,whether through shock, denial,
repression, disassociation orfreezing.
Afterward you may or may notremember the event, but by
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overwhelming you it changed yourphysiology, your nervous system
.
It has changed your experienceof yourself and your world.
No wonder you feel differentafter traumatic experiences like
violence and abuse.
Rather than this experience ofbeing overwhelmed being
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temporary, it becomes a morepermanent background feature, it
becomes a footprint.
Trauma leaves an imprint inyour nervous system.
It leaves tracks in the body.
Jasmin notes that the kindestresponse to having gone through
something like this is to acceptthe fact that you experienced a
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very disorienting blow.
You've been knocked off yourfeet and it's not quite as
simple as getting up again.
Some things have been fracturedthat need to be healed.
Out of sight is not out of bodyand mind.
The violence and abuse may bein the past, but if you have not
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healed, it is showing up inyour body, your nervous system
and your mind, the way you arethinking.
Like many teen mothers andadult mothers who were, you may
be living with trauma-relateddisorders like post-traumatic
stress disorder, PTSD,depression, anxiety, addiction,
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eating disorders and more.
These and other trauma-relateddisorders will be discussed in
an upcoming show.
Why do some people suffer morethan others?
The question of why some peoplesuffer more than others has
been around for a very long timeand there are a number of
responses.
Jasmine notes that there is notone simple answer to this
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question.
What happens to us is different, we're different and we may
have different reasons for beingon the planet, and this speaks
to the three basic explanationsthat she offers of why some
people suffer more than others.
One, there are differences intraumatic events.
They're not all the same.
Two, there are differences inour individual makeup and
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resources.
And three, there aredifferences in our spiritual and
philosophical responses.
Differences in traumatic eventsNot all traumas are created
equal.
Different traumas at differentages and in different
circumstances have differenteffects.
On page three of Healing fromTrauma, Jasmin offers some
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general principles.
One if you were able to dosomething in the moment, you
will be less shattered than ifyou were not able to do anything
.
If you were very young, you aremore vulnerable and had fewer
resources to help you cope andrecover.
Therefore, you will likely havemore scars.
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Think of yourself as a youngteenage girl who experienced
violence and abuse.
You were more vulnerable andlikely have more scars.
If someone you know, andespecially someone you love, was
the cause of the trauma, thatis even more shattering to your
worldview and sense of safetythan if loved ones were
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supporting you after thetraumatic event.
Betrayal of the element ofbetrayal and the injury to your
sense of trust and self-worththis type of trauma leaves the
most scars.
The worst trauma is felt asbeing deliberately and
maliciously inflicted in such arelationship and the very worst
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is by a parent.
Again, think of yourexperiences.
Was your abuser someone youknew, a family member, a parent?
These experiences leave themost scars.
Exposure to trauma that isrepeated rather than a one-time
event is more disabling.
Traumatic events that areunpredictable have a greater
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impact.
Think if you endured domesticviolence.
Your partner may have beenunpredictable.
You didn't know when he wouldbecome violent.
Also, violation by anotherperson is always worse than
impersonal trauma.
Symptoms of post-traumaticstress disorder, ptsd whereas a
larger proportion closer to halfwill develop such symptoms
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after a sexual assault,captivity and torture are right
at the top of the scale.
Again, think of the two-thirdsof teen mothers who were
sexually and are physicallyabused at some point in their
lives, either as children andtheir current relationships, or
both.
That kind of trauma gets stuckin your nervous system.
That has to be healed.
Your nervous system has to bereset and finally, having help
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available generally willmitigate the impacts of
traumatic events.
Help during the event and alsosupport after are crucial
factors in determining howsignificant the long-term
effects will be.
Think of the long-term impactwhen violence and abuse are kept
a secret.
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There's a saying we are as sickas our secrets.
Jasmin notes that it would benice to believe that anything
could happen to us and we couldbounce back.
You may wonder how comeso-and-so can recover from a
major misfortune while I seem tocrumble under much smaller dose
of trauma.
This, she notes, leads to thesecond major reason why some
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people suffer more than others.
Leads to the second majorreason why some people suffer
more than others.
We don't have the same makeupor response to traumatic events
because we're not made the same.
This is a reference to what iscalled our stress response
system, which is impacted by thekind of attachment or emotional
bond we form in our firstrelationship with our primary
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caregiver.
I have written about thisattachment on our blog and in
her other book, the EmotionallyAbsent Mother, jasmine devotes
an entire chapter to attachmentbecause it is so critical to a
child's emotional development.
So the second major reason whysome people suffer more than
others is we don't have the samemakeup or responses to
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traumatic events because we'renot the same.
We're not made the same.
Some people were lucky andreceived lots of loving care
when they were first forming andtheir development was able to
proceed smoothly.
They got plenty of goodexperiences contributing to a
strong initial sense of love,mirroring and touch.
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They were securely attached totheir caregivers and therefore
feel a basic stability in theirown being.
Some therapists believe thathealthy bonding in early
childhood is the best bufferagainst the painful long-term
effects of traumatic experiences.
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There are a number of reasonsthis bonding and initial
foundation was weaker.
Jasmin identifies severalreasons, but whatever the cause,
she notes, for those with aweaker foundation, their sense
of self, emotional health andlife skills have been
compromised, weakened.
And finally, the third majorreason why some people suffer
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more than others is ourspiritual and philosophical
responses to what happened to usHidden trauma.
Jasmin then turns her attentionto talking about hidden trauma.
Just as we may be unaware of animpingement on a nerve, even
though that impingement isinhibiting our functioning, we
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can be strongly affected byevents like violence and abuse
and yet not be able to recognizewhy we feel and act the way we
do.
In both cases, something isaffecting us, but it is outside
our conscious awareness.
It is hidden.
It is outside our consciousawareness.
It is hidden.
Trauma may be hidden, she notes,under several circumstances.
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One is when the trauma has beenrepressed.
And since some of our mostdevastating traumas are
repressed, Jasmin writes this isa major problem.
If you don't remember living ina house where incest was a
periodic but ongoing occurrence,you have no idea why you never
feel safe, even though there'sno obvious threat.
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You may not even recognize thisbackground feeling because it's
all you've lived with.
Yet, as she writes on pageseven of Healing from Trauma,
your nervous system is set basedon your experiences.
Out of sight, again, is not outof body and mind.
Trauma gets stuck in your body,in your nervous system, and
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this is why Jasmin notes laterin her book that part of healing
from trauma is resetting yournervous system.
Another circumstance in whichtrauma is hidden is when you
live in a social environmentthat is trauma blind, that fails
to see or wants to diminish theimportance of certain events.
This could be based on denialor repression in those around us
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, or it could simply be theirwilled intention efforts to
minimize our discomfort.
They don't want us to hurt, andthey don't want to be exposed
to our hurt, because then theyfeel some of it too.
In such an environment we areencouraged to put behind us
whatever bad things havehappened.
But again, out of sight is notout of body mind.
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The silent imprint of thattraumatic or those traumatic
events are still there, skewingyour system, your nervous system
.
I think of one teen mother whotold her grandmother that she
was being abused by her uncleand nothing was done to stop the
abuse.
She had to remain in thatunsafe environment where she was
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exposed to additional sexualabuse.
She became pregnant as ateenage mother at 15.
In another case, the teen girltold her mother that her
boyfriend was her mother'sboyfriend was abusing her and
her mother did not believe her.
Later the mother's boyfriendgot her pregnant at 14 and
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nothing was done about it.
In both cases, the adultsturned a blind eye to the trauma
these two young mothersexperienced and nothing was done
.
Regarding hidden trauma, Jasminnotes that, on a more collective
scale, a trauma-blind culturemay dismiss certain events as
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unremarkable.
This is true when some forms ofinterpersonal violence are
taken as standard.
It may be beating a child orwife, sexual contact between
parent and child, marital rape.
Although such events may not be, quote remarkable, meaning
something to be noted as unusualto the culture group there, are
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nevertheless remarkable to yournervous system.
She references the popularauthor and therapist John
Bradshaw.
I did a series on his book,Healing The Shame That Binds
You, but he brought this topublic consciousness when he
described how, for a child, anadult is like a giant five times
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their size.
Imagine if a giant werestanding over you red face and
eyes bulging.
Jasmin concludes discussinghidden trauma by noting that, as
she will explain, or as sheexplains later in her book
Healing from Trauma, anytraumatic experience, whether it
is visible or invisible,imprints the nervous system,
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which serves as our primaryregister for trauma.
It is what happens in thenervous system, our responses to
the perceived threat, thatdetermines if something is
traumatic or not.
It is helpful, she writes, toacknowledge events that may have
imprinted you in this way.
Think for a minute of yourexperiences with violence and
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abuse.
It is helpful to acknowledgethose events and how they
affected you.
They may have imprinted yournervous system.
Will it always be like this?
We've all heard the saying lifegoes on.
But Jasmin notes that, for thosewho are caught in trauma, the
sad truth is life doesn't simplymove on away from these
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undigested events without somehelp.
Imprints of trauma follow youeverywhere.
Imprints of trauma follow youeverywhere, leaving you never
simply here and now.
The present is always beinginfluenced by the past, like a
computer virus infectingeverything it comes in contact
with.
It takes time for the body-mindto right itself, to let go of
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the mechanisms and unconsciousforces that hold those
terrifying imprints close to us,and it takes time for the
nervous system to be reset.
It's a big job, she notes avery, very hard assignment, and
I agree, but it's not impossible.
It's important for you to knowthat you may always have certain
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sensitivities, but most of thesymptoms that plague you can
know that you may always havecertain sensitivities, but most
of the symptoms that plague youcan be resolved.
There's life beyond trauma.
Two kinds of suffering.
Jasmin concludes chapter one ofher book Healing from Trauma by
explaining that there are twokinds of suffering you should
know about.
One is the suffering caused bywhat happened, the violence and
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abuse you experienced, thebetrayal, the injury, which
includes the suffering of livingwith those experiences and with
the symptoms that resulted fromthem.
If you're lucky, the sufferingmay decrease in time, although
for those who suffer withfull-blown trauma syndromes, it
tends not to.
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Some of the suffering isactually the result of the
strategies we use to try toavoid the real pain of what
happened and ways we putourselves into quote checkmate,
trying to stay safe.
She then acknowledges that whenwe commit ourselves to healing,
we open up to a different kindof suffering the pain that is
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part of the healing process.
This is the pain that was toooverwhelming to feel before.
It's the pain we blocked duringthe traumatic events and the
pain that arises when we feelthe full impact of trauma.
When we feel the full impact oftrauma.
Traumatic events like theviolence and abuse so prevalent
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in the lives of teen mothers arelike thieves that take
something precious from us.
It may be a lost childhood,lost health, loss of certain
dreams, loss of trust or loss ofconfidence.
There are many possibilitiesand we're not limited to just
one.
And, as I read in the book, theCourage to Heal some things
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can't be retrieved.
Graduating from high schoolcan't be retrieved.
Child birthing years can't beretrieved, and you have to
grieve this In the healingprocess.
Jasmine notes we grieve theselosses In the healing process.
Jasmin notes we grieve theselosses.
We feel the pain of the lonelychild waiting for love and
finally giving up.
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We open to the terror we feltjust before the violence and
abuse.
We open to the helplessness andto the rage, to the body
sensations, to the hatred, toall of it.
It can be really, reallypainful.
I agree.
If handled skillfully, jasminenotes that this suffering
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becomes therapeutic.
We heal.
If not handled skillful, we candrown in it.
Throughout her book Healing fromTrauma, she talks about the
task of healing so you won'tdrown in it.
She talks about how to choosethe right helpers, like a trauma
therapist.
She talks about what types ofintervention different types of
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therapies might be helpful toyou.
She talks about tools fordealing with trauma, tools for
living spiritual issues and howto know when you have healed.
If you want to learn more abouthealing, her book Healing from
Trauma is a great resource.
Also here.
I just want to reiterate againthat if, listening to any of our
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episodes, you feel you need totalk to someone, please consult
a medical doctor or licensedprofessional counselor.
If you are in an emergency,please dial 911 or go to your
nearest emergency room.
We want you to keep yourselfsafe.
Is it all worth it?
You may wonder if the secondkind of suffering involved in
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healing is worth it, and somemay decide that it is not.
Yet we often do not get out ofthe first suffering without it,
and for many that sufferingmakes it very hard to function
in life or certainly to have afull life.
As I open with as a 20, 30, 40year old mother, if you have not
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healed, you may be living withtrauma related disorders like
post-traumatic stress disorder,depression, anxiety, eating
disorders.
I'll discuss thesetrauma-related disorders in an
upcoming episode.
Jasmine is an incest survivorand toward the end of chapter
one, she shares part of her ownjourney of healing.
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For me, the pain of healing wasvery hard to bear.
It was sharper in many waysthan the earlier pain, but it
was finite and it passed.
The pain that preceded it, incontrast, would likely have gone
on for the rest of my life.
It may have been intermittentand oftentimes more dull, but it
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had an undermining effect.
That early pain, the sufferingI had not yet come to terms with
, had many hidden costs.
I remember very clearly, shesays, when I decided I had to do
something different.
I was hiking with a friend andnoticed that I held a bitterness
under the surface.
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The bitterness was familiar,but I had not specifically
noticed it before.
The last thing in the world Iwanted was to be a better person
.
So I went home and surrenderedto the pain that had heartened
into that bitterness.
The surrender was a turningpoint for me.
I cried nearly every day.
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It was part of letting up theemotional component that had
been only partially present inmuch of my earlier recovery of
memories and the beginning of adeeper grieving for my losses.
The crying itself did notresolve things for me, but it
was part of what prepared me forwhat came later, when the
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opportunity presented itself toreally cleanse the wounds with a
qualified trauma therapist.
She ends chapter one as sheopened, acknowledging that stuff
happens.
She says it a little different.
It happened to her, it happenedto me, it happened to you.
It can embitter and traumatizeus for the rest of our lives or
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we can slowly integrate it,moving through its pain as we
become simultaneously softer andstronger, wiser and less
cynical.
You didn't choose what happened, but you can choose your path
now.
So, just to wrap things up, whenit comes to adult mothers who
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experience the tale of violenceand abuse that is so prevalent
in the lives of teen moms, teenmothers often they don't want to
talk about the violence andabuse of their past.
Their stance is it's in thepast.
I've let that go, I've forgiventhat person.
I'm not going to keep talkingabout what's in the past.
It is understandable that youdon't want to talk about the
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violence and abuse in your past,but if you haven't taken
decisive steps to heal thosetraumatic experiences, it's not
just in the past.
It's showing up in your lifetoday, as a 20, 30, 40-year-old
mother.
It's showing up in your body,your nervous system and your
mind.
The way you think, contrary towhat one might think out of
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sight is not out of body andmind.
Today I trace the tale ofviolence and abuse that is so
prevalent in the lives of teenmothers.
I explain that these bad thingsthat have happened have the
kind of wallop that they dobecause of their traumatic
nature, and it helps tounderstand this if you know more
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about trauma.
I discuss what trauma is.
Trauma is, by nature, terrifyingand completely overwhelming.
Something is happening that youcan't control and it feels big
enough to destroy you.
In fact, your awareness thatyou are in danger is an
essential ingredient of trauma.
It is the perception of adirect threat to your life,
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well-being and sanity that markstrauma.
When something traumatichappens, like violence and abuse
, it is more than you can takein and integrate.
You lose your capacity to dealeffectively with a situation.
You may even lose a sense ofyourself as a solid, coherent
person.
You have to protect yourselffrom what is too much, so you
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find some ways to cut off,whether through shock, denial,
repression, disassociation orfreezing.
Afterward you may or may notremember the event, but by
overwhelming you it changed yourphysiology, your nervous system
.
It has changed your experienceof yourself and the world.
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No wonder you feel differentafter traumatic experiences like
violence and abuse.
Jasmin notes that the kindestresponse to having gone through
something like this is to acceptthe fact that you experienced a
very disorienting blow.
You've been knocked off yourfeet and it is not quite as
simple as getting up again.
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Some things have been fracturedthat need to be healed.
I discussed today why somepeople suffer more than others.
Jasmine offers three reasons.
What happens to us is different.
Not all traumas are equal.
We're different, our stressresponse systems are different,
and we have different spiritualand philosophical responses to
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what has happened to us.
I talked about trauma that ishidden.
Though it may be out of sight,it is not out of mind.
Trauma gets stuck in your body,in your nervous system.
It leaves tracks, footprints inthe body, and part of healing
from trauma is resetting yournervous system.
Finally, I shared the hope thatthings don't always have to be
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the way they are.
You can heal.
You can't change what happened,but you can change its imprint
on you, on your nervous system.
This will not happenautomatically, but it can happen
if you give yourself over tothe process of healing.
So this is our show for today.
Thanks for listening to our TeenMoms Anonymous podcast.
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We are a podcast for teenmothers and adult mothers who
were teen mothers, especiallythose who survived violence and
abuse.
Our focus is on emotionalhealth and wellness, because we
know that emotionally healthymothers are better equipped to
nurture the emotionaldevelopment of their children.
Host Dr.
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Chris Stroble, founder of TeenMoms Anonymous, a ministry for
teen mothers and adult motherswho were teen mothers, and the
award-winning author of HelpingTeen Moms Graduate Strategies
for Family, Schools andCommunity Organizations.
I hope this information hasbeen helpful to you.
If it has helped you, send us amessage to let us know.
We love to hear from listeners.
You can email us at info@teammomsa.
org or via our website,teammomsA.
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org.
Fill out the contact form.
If you have questions or topicsyou'd like me to discuss, send
those to me and I will addressas many as I can in future shows
.
Finally, we are committed towalking alongside you on your
journey of healing, so stayconnected to us.
Follow us on social mediaInstagram and Facebook at Teen
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Moms Anonymous.
Visit our website, teenmomsA.
org, and subscribe to our blogand podcast If you're in the
Greenville Spartanburg area ofSouth Carolina.
We offer local in-personsupport groups where teen
mothers and adult mothers whowere can begin to talk about
what they experienced and healfrom the violence and abuse in
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their lives.
Currently, we don't offeronline support groups.
Agencies from multiple stateshave contacted me about online
support groups, but at this timewe don't have the
infrastructure to ensure thesafety of our members, so we
can't offer online supportgroups.
When we have that capability,we'll let you know.
This is another reason to stayconnected to us.
Follow us on social media,subscribe to our blog and
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podcast and continue to listento episodes of our podcast.
So again, thanks for listeningto our Teen Moms Anonymous
podcast.
We'll see you the next time.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!