Ep5 When Darkness becomes the Door: Depression to REBIRTH with Tara Luminita

"What if a single mushroom could rewrite your destiny?"

Dive into a mind-bending journey of personal awakening, ancient wisdom, and the untamed power of Amanita muscaria—the legendary "teacher mushroom" that has guided seekers, shamans, and mystics for centuries.

Follow a transformative odyssey from the scorching deserts of Arizona to the frozen wilds of Alaska, through depression’s abyss, and into the luminous realms of spiritual rebirth.

Discover how a chance encounter with Amanita became the key to unlocking intuition, healing trauma, and even uncovering past lives.

✨ 6 Cosmic Revelations You’ll Explore

🌵 A Desert Child’s Unlikely Path to the Sacred Mushroom – How barren landscapes birthed a seeker.

🐾 The Dog, the Mushroom, and the Divine Accident – A Labrador’s strange trip sparks a revelation.

⚡ Breaking Point at Caltech: When Science Failed, Spirituality Spoke – The moment academia shattered… and something greater emerged.

🌀 Amanita’s Microdosing Miracle: From Suicidal to Sovereign – How tiny doses rewired a broken mind.

🏛️ Atlantis, Ancient Civilizations & Amanita’s Forgotten Role – Was this mushroom the original "elixir of the gods"?

🔮 The Birth of Luminita: Turning Poison into Medicine – A mission to reclaim Amanita’s true purpose.

🌿 "The mushroom doesn’t just show you the light—it reminds you that you are the light."

Are you ready to meet your oldest ally? Press play—the journey begins now.

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🎙️ Guest: Tara Luminita

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https://substack.com/@tara22henry

🎙️ Host: Christian Rasmussen

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Episode Transcript

(00:02):
Welcome to the Amanita Podcast with your host, Christian
Rasmussen. Thanks for doing this.
This is exciting for for me and for us.
We discussed it a little bit, but breakdown your story and I'd
like to get as deep and as vulnerable as you're wanting and

(00:24):
willing to go. Mushrooms and psychedelics and
all these things that I am involved with now is the total
opposite of where I where I started.
So I grew up in Yuma, AZ which is the driest and hottest city
in America, kind of a butt crackof Arizona, but it has its own
value with desert, desert life. The only mushrooms I knew at the

(00:45):
time were those little cans of mushrooms that we would eat in
our stroganoff once a month. That was the the whole world of
mushrooms that I knew. I didn't even have fresh
mushrooms at the time. And then it wasn't until my
parents moved to Alaska that I actually was finally introduced
to mushrooms. They started popping up all over

(01:05):
the lawn. They're in this like coastal
area, Dillingham, Alaska, Bush, Alaska.
And it's like the perfect environment for mushrooms.
So every time I'd see like a mushroom in the backyard, I'd
start Iding it. It wasn't until 2016 that I saw
Amanita for the first time and she came in abundance in the
front yard. And that was the most thrilling

(01:26):
thing to see. Obviously to, to go from a
little, little brown, white mushroom all the way to Amanita
was amazing. So of course I took a photo and
I was going to ID it and I foundout a bunch of information
online, mostly that it was toxic, but that it was
beautiful. And seconds later, my older dog,
maybe she was about 13, a Labrador at the time.

(01:47):
Labradors are known for eating anything that they can get their
mouth onto. She ate two giant ones that the
ones I'd just taken a photo of. And, you know, I would have
doubted that she actually eaten them because if I hadn't had
that photo as proof that she hadbecause she acted like
everything was fine. And of course, I told my mom and

(02:07):
we went into this like head tailspin, looking up everything we
could about it. Of course it told us that the
dog was going to die and that itwas toxic.
She was going to go into a coma and never come out of it.
We were advised to give her somehydrogen peroxide, which is
typical of making a dog vomit. So we mixed in with some peanut
butter and she ate it. She didn't love it and for about

(02:30):
an hour it while it was kicking in she was bouncing around the
front yard like nothing was wrong.
Actually even better than when she was before.
She'd tease the mushrooms because she's an older dog.
She's moving slowly. But this time she was like
happy. She looks lively and more
enthralled in playing fetch withus than she had before.

(02:50):
So I was kind of confused why why it told us it was so toxic.
But I figured out it'll probablytake a couple hours maybe to
kick in. And then of course she started.
She vomited up and everything was fine.
But it was quite an introductionto Amanita for the first time.
You know, it was, it was like there was no way for me to to
miss it. It was the mushrooms I took a
photo of It was my, my childhooddog that ate it and, you know,

(03:15):
made us go through this whole turmoil.
So my image of ammonia was not agood one from the very start.
And all the while I was at Caltech, which was my dream
college at the time, but I was really, really struggling both
with the course. The courses were difficult and
all, but I just felt like it wasnot aligned.
You know, it was very much everyclass was headed towards Tech.

(03:39):
You know, you would go street from Cal Tech and you go into
Apple, you would go to Google. I mean, you would get any high
paying job from that school. But I was so miserable and I
didn't really know why. And so I made the tough decision
with my upset parents that I wasgoing to leave that college.
You know, all the hard work I put into in high school to get,

(04:00):
you know, these great grades andgetting to this college, I just
left it. I was like, I just, I don't know
what's wrong. I, I feel miserable.
So I left and went to the University of Washington to be
closer to my parents. And something was calm me.
I loved the weather up here. I loved the greenery.
This was so opposite of me when I was little.
And it was one of my biggest wishes as a kid.
It was to live near trees. I always wanted trees because

(04:24):
there's nothing. There's no trees in the desert.
Washington was Evergreen State, and so I was like, hey, this is
it, I'm going to go see trees. So I moved up here, wasn't
really happy at UW. I thought maybe if I switched
schools I'd be happier, but it really nothing was aligning with
me. I guess I really wasn't supposed
to be college. And then it wasn't until 2020
that I met Amnita again and I just lost my job.

(04:46):
Many people had lost it could dirty COVID.
My boyfriend had broken up with me in a really rough way.
He was on a hike in the mountains and I loved hiking.
That was one of the things that I found some solace in.
It wasn't a solution to my depression, but it was some
solace. The perfect little round ones,
just just when we hit the pine trees too, we were going through
all of this kind of lower land area and right when we hit the

(05:07):
pine trees, there were these perfect ones.
And I took a photo of it and I was hiking with another lad who
was very against the mushrooms, very pro alcohol, very against
mushrooms. And so I didn't touch them, but
I really wanted to. I wanted to pick them, but I
didn't. And then a month later they
showed up in the apartment and just all around this apartment,
it wasn't even an environment that they would want to grow.
There was like rocks and it was like parking lot asphalt.

(05:31):
But somehow Amanita showed up through this gravel as.
Like. It was super interesting and I
have yet to see those mushrooms show up there ever again which
is super weird. Why is this mushroom keep
showing up and everything online?
I think I watched a video by Psych Substance.
He had said that it was really not enjoyable experience, but I

(05:53):
was like, I'll try it out. We'll just like experiment with
it. I was exploring psychedelics at
the time. We tried lots of different
things. Me and my partner at the time,
new partner, I'll boil to a head.
When we had had some wine earlier in the evening and then
wanted to take a medium dose, medium large dose.
And this was like maybe 7 to 8g.And we were like, hey, this is

(06:15):
what it says online. We'll, we'll be OK.
I think we'd made a kombucha or something out of it.
So we had, we had found some information about, you know,
decarbing it a bit and it went downhill quick, went downhill
real quick. What we didn't know at the time
was that what we'd had was a very hot batch.
So the 7g that we thought we were drinking was more like 30

(06:39):
grams to be honest. He drinking at 1st and it was
like within 5 minutes he was like this is too much it's too
much. And so I quickly vomited up
whatever I had because I was like OK, I'm trip city now.
The next thing I knew he was bent over the toilet facing
backwards like talking to the wall about things that I had no

(06:59):
idea wasn't even sensical. And so I said Oh no I know the
next sign is the coma. You know, I knew this from from
Luna, my previous dog. And so I said, OK, I'll just put
him on the bed. Everything's going to be fine.
He'll just sleep through this coma.
Everything's everything's great.Turned out to be not the
solution because he kept waking up.
It was like a 10 minutes on, 10 minutes off.
He'd be awake and he'd be walking around but not totally

(07:22):
conscious. You know, I could shake him and
he wasn't there. So there was no spirit in him.
And then he would fall and he's a big guy, so he would fall onto
fall into the wall. He would fall into the core of a
desk that I would grab onto him.He would he was breaking all of
these cat toys and breaking furniture.
And so I called his best friend.I said, hey, Kyle, can you come

(07:44):
over and help Hold me, hold him down.
I just need him to stay, stay down.
I know he'll survive this, but he just needs to be held down.
I just can't. I can't physically prevent him
from doing injury to himself at this time.
He was like bleeding from his nose.
And his friend was like, oh, I can't do that.
I'm sorry. I drank tonight.
And so I said, you know what? The only thing I can do is I can
call 901. And so I called 901.

(08:07):
I said, hey, can you come help me restrain my partner?
I know he took these mushrooms, right?
So they come and I told them, I said I don't need you to take
him to the hospital. I just need you to restrain him
somehow, to restrain him. This is the mushroom he took.
And they said, ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
I don't care. We heard mushrooms.
We're taking him to the hospital.
And I said, Are you sure? Like he doesn't need to.

(08:28):
And so they take him, each person carrying one limb.
He had like no clothes on, just dragged out of the house.
The cats were cowering and. And I called the hospital
immediately and I said, hey, he took amnia muscaria, this is a
gab agonist. Please do not give him benzos.
Please. This isn't a normal mushroom.
I wanted to give them as much information as possible because

(08:49):
I knew that these EMS workers didn't really listen to me and
didn't really know what was going on.
They just treated as another mushroom and the person on the
other line was like, sorry, we can't connect you to the doctor,
he's in the middle of something,yadda yadda yadda.
So I never was actually able to get this information through.
And it wasn't about 6 hours later that they called me up to

(09:10):
go pick him up. And we found out later that they
had given him like a huge amountof benzos, of course, you know,
which made him take a much longer amount of time to get
back to his feet and feel betteragain.
But I was so bummed about that because I was like, I knew I
could help this information comethrough the doctor, but it was
like once he was in the system, I couldn't, I couldn't help out.

(09:33):
And after that experience, I waslike, no way am I going to touch
this mushroom again. No way.
I mean, I had so much trauma from that experience and the
cost of going to the hospital and everything about that, I was
like, I can't, I can't do it. I didn't have insurance at the
times I was like, I'm not even going to risk it.
So if I something happens to me,I'm not going to do well.
But this mushroom kept showing up to me.

(09:54):
Go on a hike and it would show up.
Then we moved apartments and it would show up again.
And by that point I was doing worse and worse and worse.
This depression that I've had since, you know, late high
school, always probably due to me being super, super critical
to myself and having really highexpectations and really never

(10:17):
following my true path. You know, just following what my
parents said and what not many people do.
It really boiled to a head when I lost a lawsuit against the
university and the the judge made a comment about me that I
wasn't ever going to live up to what I wanted to do, that I
wasn't ever going to use my biology degree and that I was
trying to take advantage of the school, which was totally not

(10:38):
the case. And it was actually the
opposite, that they were not being fair to me.
That really made me spiral because I was like, this was the
society, society facing me directly and saying we don't
think that you're a valuable member of our society.
Pretty much, you know, valuable person, this judge telling me
that that's when the suicidal thoughts really, really ramped

(10:59):
up. And I did try to drown myself at
in 2021, but I survived it. I survived it for who knows what
reason. My higher self pulled me out of
that situation and said, you're going to keep going.
I kind of just trudged along, never really happy, never really
proud of who I was or what I wasdoing.

(11:19):
You know, the time my sister wasan emergency doctor, she'd got
in a house, she got married to me, my only sibling,
comparatively made me feel even worse about the whole thing.
So I really couldn't face my family about what had I done in
my life, you know? And at the end of 2021, I
spiralled again and I, I went back down to the street.
I was like, there's I survived the last suicide attempt.

(11:41):
And yet nothing has gotten better.
I still don't feel fulfilled. I still don't know where my path
is. All these doors keep closing.
I kept applying for jobs and everyone kept projecting me.
I just got called back to this mushroom like it was the only
the last chance I had. You know, I said I had done
everything, but I haven't workedwith this mushroom medicinally.

(12:02):
You know, I've used psychedelics, I've used SSRI's,
but I hadn't tried using a medicinal manner, you know,
micro dosing. And the only thing I could find
was a couple forums from Russia saying that maybe it was useful
that I translated, but there wasn't really good information.
And so I was really, really for the first time, trusting my gut,

(12:22):
my intuition for the first time.This is. 21/20/21 Yeah, yeah.
There was not much out there at that point in time.
No, definitely not no. So it was definitely like a
let's see how this goes. You know, I I mean, I'm, I'm
already flirting with death here.
So if I microdose it for a couple months, you know, we'll

(12:43):
see what happens can be worse than what it is right now,
Right. And I think in some ways, it's a
gift in that in that moment. And many people, whoever's been
through that experience may notice that that the moment
you're at this low, low, low spot where everything is
collapsed in on itself is also the moment that every door is
available to you because you're no longer afraid.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I didn't like the tasting.

(13:05):
I mean, I still really despise the tasting.
I mean so I. I don't, I don't need any.
Have you? Have you ever fried them though?
Have you ever tried frying them up?
I've I've I've tried frying them, I've given the fried rice.
Yeah, you like? It was really good, but the the
texture is still pretty slimy. I don't know if you noticed
that. Oh yeah.

(13:26):
I cannot bring myself to enjoy drinking the gulping the tea
down. You know, I just, it's, I, I
don't think I ever will. But I even associating it with
like the like I used to drink, you know, when I was a kid, I
would drink a lot of Robitussin and I got to a point where like,
I actually really enjoyed the flavor of Robitussin because I
associated it with the, the dissociating experience that I

(13:46):
was going to have. Yeah.
But Amanita, it's still like, I don't know, It's, it makes me
shiver just thinking about it, you know, that's.
That's exactly how I feel. I don't know what it is about
it. And when you smell them fresh,
if you ever pick them fresh, they're they're sweet and super
nicely aromatic and they, they felt like they would be great.
But no, I can't. I can't stand the taste of it.

(14:08):
So I started making them into capsules all the time and I
didn't find anything about capsules online, decarbing them
and then putting them into capsules and I put them into
little red capsules because I noticed that it was difficult to
consume it, you know, difficult to convince myself to take it.
And at the time I didn't realizeit that, but it was my ego
telling me, oh, don't take that when you take a psychedelic and

(14:30):
you're on the way up and your ego is like, oh, I don't like
this. I don't like being not in
control anymore. And it holds and resist.
And so I really felt that takingit every day, but I said, no,
I'm going to be consistent with it.
I'm going to take it for a monthevery single day and see what
happens because it's the only, only option I got.
That was really where the the big transformation happened to
me. So over the course of January of

(14:52):
2022, did I really start to see that this mushroom was a lot, a
lot more than what I had found out about or what I experienced?
What was your program like? How much were you taking?
Man, what was I taking at that time?
Did I measure it out? I think I was starting with half

(15:14):
a gram or up to a gram at that time, but it might have been a
little once a day, just in the morning because of the time.
I didn't know how it would be for sleep.
I, I kind of associated with psychedelics and so I said, oh,
it's going to hurt my sleep, so I'm just going to take it in the
morning. And also I really wanted to be
able to experience the effects. You know, I didn't want it to

(15:35):
just be a night where I didn't know what was happening.
I really was aware of my mental state and wanted to see how that
changed and quickly noticed thatone of the main benefits I got
from it was, you know, not beingafraid to to do things that I
wanted to do. You know, things that were heart
center that I really wanted to do, like foraging or like, you

(15:56):
know, starting a business or anyof these things that I wanted to
do, but never really had that bravery to do.
Those doors were now opened up for me.
And that obviously comes down toits ability to reduce your fear
and anxiety, but increase confidence.
So I tried it out while I was working at a a carbon health,
which was a COVID clinic. This is the first job I could

(16:17):
finally get and it was working at a COVID clinic on the front
desk. Front desk just getting people's
no nasal swabs. Really not the best job ever but
it was amazing to watch because it was a perfect example of
facing somebody. Watching how the way I acted
with people change throughout this experience, where at first
I was laissez faire, just check people in, and by the end of it,

(16:41):
I was like engaging with these people where they were really in
a bad state coming in. They were frustrated about the
COVID situation going on. They were frustrated they had to
get a nasal swab. They were frustrated that they
had to pay for this and that I was kind of really enjoyable for
me to make their mood better andof course all the other benefits
coming from it. Then I started noting
synchronicities and magical things that were happening in my

(17:05):
environment and people coming towards me that really were
aligned with my path, that I never had it happen in my life.
You know, everything before thatwas doors closing, opportunities
being not available to me. At the time, I didn't realize it
was just that wasn't my path. My path wasn't to, you know,
work the system and be in biology or what not like my

(17:26):
parents had done. It was definitely not that way
until. Yeah, that's that's where.
That's where. And I knew it was in early 2022
that I started my business Luminita, not very long after.
I was like, OK, this is it. I got to help make this
available to other people. At least in this in this method,
you know, something a little easier to consume, a little bit
more approachable. Because that wasn't that wasn't

(17:47):
the deal all night at the time. There was a couple sellers that
were selling like just the caps.So I'm curious about, about the
depression that you experienced in the writ of that depression
and how those traumas have been dealt with or, or managed or

(18:07):
healed or worked through throughthe assistance of utilizing
Amanita. And how much that how much to
you that that's the mushroom Andhow much is it the mushroom
allowing you to like navigate through these?
I mean, I guess it's really, it's really all you, right?
Like the mushroom opens the doorand allows us to, to recognize
and move through the healing process.

(18:29):
I'm curious a little bit more about the healing process and
like what that looked like utilizing the mushroom and how
the interplay between utilizing the mushroom and and working
through the issues manifested. Yeah, So I guess really what it
would what it comes down to is the fact that so far previous in
my life I was being guided by fear.

(18:50):
So I'm I'm very a sensitive person and in that means that
most of society is very fearful,but the news is very fearful.
Social media makes you feel thatway.
Comparing myself to others, fearing that I wasn't going to
make enough money, fearing that I wasn't going to graduate,
fearing all of these things thatthat was literally the only way

(19:12):
that I was motivating myself at the point at that time was was
through fear. And at that point I was like,
that's that's how everyone moves.
You know, if the news says this is how you're supposed to react
is via fear. Only do things that are going to
get you away from this fear. You know, protect yourself in
some ways, right? You're just protecting yourself.
Just a safety bubble. That's what you're doing.
You're just trying to get enoughmoney so that you're safe by by

(19:35):
retirement age or you're just trying to get a degree so that
you're safe because now you havea degree.
And So what aimed to do was it broke me out of that, that
cycle, that that fear cycle thatthat was the only way to make
decisions. And at that point too, I had no
semblance of religion in my life.
One of my earliest memories was being dragged by my mom.

(19:59):
I was holding on to the railing of my bed and my mom was trying
to drag me in to go to church because she was like, no, you're
going to go to church, this is what you're going to do.
And I hated it so much. It wasn't necessarily the
teachings, it was just that theywere telling me what to believe.
And I had always from the early age.
Believed that I was going to figure it out myself, you know,

(20:20):
whatever, whatever I needed to figure out about the universe, I
was going to figure it out on myown, my own path.
I wasn't going to learn it from somebody else.
And so one of the things that did as well was not only was I
not able to, was I now able to make decisions not from fear,
but from my own, you know, intuition.
But it opened up this world of magic synchronicity, that there

(20:45):
was more to life than what I wasalready seen.
And in some ways I had already touched into that a bit with
psychedelics, you know, everything is 1 and there's more
to it. But I had really not experienced
the like physicality of all that, the physicality of the
numbers, synchronicities of my, my, my birth time coming up

(21:06):
constantly or someone mentioningsomething directly after I had
thought about it like so, so much so in my face that I was
like, there's there's no way that our thoughts are
disconnected from this universe anymore or that, yeah, that that
was huge for me. I mean, it was a it was the
spiritual awakening that I'd hadonly via this mushroom.

(21:27):
And many people go about it in their own life path.
But I had my spiritual awakeningspecifically with Amanita
showing me that this was all this was all interconnected and
that my life had meaning. I mean, I if you think of your
life as only a bunch of atoms and it's all random, and this
planet is the only planet that'sin existence.

(21:48):
And it's just like, oh, you're just one of the lives that
happened and you just got to live your life and there's no
real meaning to it. I mean, that's how I really
believed it. And then to go into saying, no,
you have a purpose now. Your soul came here for a reason
and that you have a reason to help people and everything that
happened in your life, every obstacle you face, every
hardship that you had, those allhave this perfect little golden

(22:12):
thread tying it together to the reason why you're here right
now. And so it makes you have a
different perspective on everything.
So no longer are you looking at the past as being just like, you
know, guilt or pain, trauma. Now you can say, oh, those
happened for a reason. And now I can be here.
Now I accept what I have now andmove forward.

(22:33):
Those are huge things for somebody who had never, never
had any of that in their life. Yeah, it's, it's the increase in
spiritual experiences, synchronicity.
It's hard to believe like just the sheer quantity of those
types of experiences that have happened for me throughout this
journey. And like, you know, the more,

(22:53):
the more aligned I get, the morebizarrely fantastical they get.
And it's it's interesting to hear this as a commonality
amongst, you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people
that just find like it makes this new world, this new world
concept impossible to deny for somebody that never was, you

(23:16):
know, Privy to something like that.
And have you, have you noticed that and had, is that just
consistent across the board withpeople that you know that have
tried Amanita? For some that's the case, but
I've also had this really weird interaction with people that if
they haven't had that kind of initiation, their life or a bit

(23:36):
of ego death, if you will, you know, closing down of the things
that they thought were real, they haven't had that in their
life. I have noticed that it doesn't
seem to resonate with them. And maybe it's not that it won't
resonate if they continue to useit, It's just that their ego
won't let them because they're they're still making the
decision to align with her ego. It's as if like Amnita helps you
separate the two, your ego and your soul and your higher self.

(23:59):
But you can still make the choice.
You can still say, I want a drink tonight.
And I'd I don't want to be, you know, making a heart aligned
decision. I still want to stay in this job
and everything. And so I agree, But it's like,
it's like once they're ready, does Amy to show up in some
ways. Yeah.
And that's yeah, I was, we were having a conversation about this
yesterday with James on the podcast too.

(24:20):
It's like if one's, if one's notready, they just don't get
anything from one of one of our biggest issues here is dealing
with dealing with customer emails saying like, I didn't
feel it. It's like, well, OK, And then
you walk through the potential reasons why they didn't feel
like James had a really good answer to that question.
And, and he, he does, he, he hasa storefront and I'll introduce

(24:42):
you to James. He's a good guy.
He has a storefront in Toronto where he sells ammonita and a
bunch of other things. But his in person, it's a little
easier to do this where he asks like, OK, what was your
reasoning for getting into ammonita in the 1st place?
And it's like, well, I wanted toget high.
It's like, boom, there's your answer, you know, like it's,
that's not what it's for. You know, it's hard to get the

(25:03):
message across to somebody that maybe isn't aligned with the
mushroom yet. Like you're just not ready.
Like that's, that's an insult tothe ego, you know, So it's a
tricky path to navigate. I I also find that I think I
mean me personally, and I'd liketo get your hey, little Kitty,
that was good timing. I'd like to hear about this for

(25:26):
you as well. But so for me, you know, and
we've talked about my story, butwhen I found those mushrooms
growing in the midst of benzo withdrawal, ready to take my
life at that point where like I would do anything, you know,
'cause anything would be better than taking my life.
But I was, you know, that's where I was.
There was that, it was the calling.

(25:47):
It was just the most potent allure, like the most potent
magnetism. I feel like that's innate and in
everybody, right? Like everybody has that calling.
But when a lot of people are very, very closed off to that.
And then maybe maybe if you're entirely closed off to that,
maybe you need somewhat of that,that energetic flow from that
calling and recognition of the calling on some level to be able

(26:09):
to get something from the mushroom.
But I have this like everybody that's found this mushroom and
who's been really impacted seemsto have.
Hi Kitty, what's your cat's? Lumi is her name.
Hi Lumi, whose pretty eyes? We have the computer's on her
like bed spot. That she thinks Sylvia, maybe

(26:34):
Lumi wants to comment on the call.
I know, but well, so I'm, I'm curious about, about the calling
for you and if you notice like things are popping up
consistently and like maybe it'sAmanita is popping up time and
time again. And maybe in retrospect and
reflection on it, there was, there was some magnetism that
was pulling, pulling you 2 towards one another.

(26:57):
And like in retrospect, what didthat look like for you?
What was the calling? Was there any informational
exchange like? Yeah, I mean, at the time I was
not connected spiritually. I mean, if you say calling or
like information, I was getting straight from the mushroom.
I was not, I was not getting that at the time.
It was all physical 3D World physically showing up, you know,

(27:17):
on on hikes and whatnot. And, and like I'd mentioned
before, maybe I didn't mention this, that it was showing up on
my birthday, which was really important to me because it was
the only semblance of magic or spirituality that I'd had
throughout my life was the fact that I kept seeing my birthdays.
You know, 922, September 22nd, the first day of fall on clocks

(27:38):
and things. It was like clockwork every
single day. I would see my birthday and I
would tell my parents like, Oh my God, I see my birthday again.
And they're like, ah, you just have a good internal clock, You
know, we would move or we would go and travel and I would still
see it on the clock. It was like, oh, this seems a
little a little bit more than that.
And so 922 was a huge deal to me, you know, trying to figure
out what the purpose of my birthday or why that time.

(28:01):
And so then when this mushroom shows up on my birthday every
single year and it has to this day, even when it was dry, you
know, it'd be like a dry day andI would be out walking and then
all of a sudden you just said crusty ones showing up that it
was like just it's just too muchthere to not to deny it.
So the way that she communicate with me with was the DV of

(28:22):
these, you know, birthday times and also with my dog.
When I've talked to people, the people that I found that have
the most success with Amanita, I've found that they've also had
that experience where, you know,all of a sudden they'd never
seen these mushrooms and then they just started showing up in
their front yard or they've started having dreams about this
mushroom or they, they can't stop seeing it on people's, you

(28:45):
know, it's very iconic mushroom.People be wearing necklaces or
she'll have stickers or whatnot.So it is, it is out there.
She's already shown herself. She's just saying you'll see me
when you when you're ready, you're going to notice that I'm
more than just a sticker when you're ready.
Those people have the most benefits.
And so whenever somebody comes to me and says, Hey, I found

(29:07):
your website, it's just feel like this mushroom has been, you
know, calling me. I said, wow, you've been given a
gift. You've been given a gift because
this mushroom has has found you and you guys have found each
other. And this is going to be
something that you need or something that you're going to
really enjoy versus somebody that said, ah, my friend told me
about it. They gave me a sample.
You know, I'm like, well, in my work, we're not really sure.

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And so in some ways I feel like this, it's almost like Amnita
throughout history or whatnot has kept herself hidden behind
the scenes, knowing that we weren't ready for it.
You know, we that if we hadn't woken up yet would wouldn't
work. And you know, she showed up
before with the psychedelic renaissance in the 70s or so,
but not really only people that were like, oh, it's another one

(29:50):
of these mushroom drugs. Let's try it out.
It didn't become illegal becausethere was no problem.
Nobody was using it. Nobody was being called to it at
the time. And so it's interesting that all
of a sudden she showed up, you know, in the last a very
specific, I mean, when I think about people who are in this
space, it's like 2019-2020 beyond.

(30:10):
It's hard to find much before that.
Maybe some people in Russia, buteven then, they weren't really
called to at the time. They were just like, oh, it's
just another mushroom that that's out there forgeable.
And so it's super interesting how specific, you know, it
aligns with COVID and this wholeawakening that we've all had and
that Amanita all of a sudden is shown at the exact same time.

(30:31):
That really is amazing to me. Yeah, it's incredible.
And then and it's also like it'sso pervasive in the sense that
it is in front of our eyes like constantly since we're a kid,
you know, and fairy tale storiesor Mario or whatever it may be.
Like if you ask a kid to draw a mushroom, he's drawing the
Amanita. He or she will be drawing the
Amanita mascari mushroom. And it's it's almost like it's

(30:52):
it's been pre paving for the mission that's at hand right
now. And I, I feel like one of the
things that I've noticed is, is it seems to, when somebody gets
it, when somebody really gets it, it seems to like flip a
switch and it's like activate something and somebody's DNA or
people change, you know, when, when one's lives is transformed,

(31:15):
like they're going to do everything that they can to, to
help other people see that. And we've, I've noticed that
time and time again, like peoplereally, really are committed to
this mission. And it's a really beautiful
thing to witness and see allies are popping up all over the
globe. It feels like constantly and,
and mass, mass numbers. And yeah, it's just, it's cool

(31:39):
to. It's cool to have something so
powerful that's been so pervasive that that people can
get so committed to so quickly. Yeah, it's really beautiful.
Yeah, Yeah, I have a story. I got to tell you about it
because you'd posed this question about a week ago about,

(31:59):
you know, why is it coming forward now?
And I had the craziest life past, past life, you know,
experience on Friday that was tied into this.
And so I, I have to share it because I felt like it was
pertinent. I went to like an urban craft
fair and the first lady that I saw was selling this like kelp
sea salt bath. And she said, Oh, it's really

(32:22):
healing and it's really, you know, releases things in your
system. And she was really convinced.
And also I was like, really called into her space.
So I was like, you know what, I'll try it out.
So I get this bath salt and I also take some masculine.
That's beside the point. But I did on Saturday and then I
made I drew this bath because like, you know, it would be good
to like, you know, have a purge and have this nice warm, warm

(32:45):
sea salt bath. And she said it was good
energetically cleansing. So I was like, OK, sounds good.
I draw this bath while I'm singing this bath, I start
imagining myself as like a previous life in Atlantis.
Oh, my goodness, it could get blue.
Want to be a part of this, don'tyou?
So I was in Atlantis. I was like, I wonder if I if I

(33:05):
had a past life there, you know,and I was brought to the scene
where I was on the outskirts of Atlantis, you know, I guess
there's rings and I was on one of the outskirts of it and I
could see that in the center part of Atlantis.
I don't know a lot about this Atlantis.
I'll be just going to tell you this right now.
It was collapsing in on itself just like it was like the, the

(33:28):
ground was being pulled beneath it.
And as that happened, my, I feltlike I was getting pulled
underwater and I looked down andI'm getting pulled down because
something's caught on my foot, which is one of my biggest fears
in life is getting dragged underwater.
So I was like, wow, that's really amazing.
And I'd lost a baby in that timetoo, that I'd had a child that I

(33:49):
had to let go of. And they, they also passed away.
So do you know, I started purging these emotions that I
had never realized, I hadn't ever experienced because I
passed away before I could purgeor, you know, transmute those
emotions in that lifetime. And I was like, wow, this is the
most visceral experience of a past life I've ever had.
And I, I got this, you know, information through with from

(34:13):
Mother Earth and from Amnia. Now these days, I'm able to get
information from these spirits that that this time was going to
be different. You know, that that we had, we
had really collapsed our societythat Mother Earth said, OK, no,
no, no, this, this society's done for.
You guys are no longer in alignment with, with the cosmos,
in alignment with, with consciousness.

(34:34):
So I'm going to get rid of you. And this time Mother said, no,
you're going to do it right. I don't want that to happen
again. And in some ways, it was like a
message that it was not just Ameda that's coming forward at
this time and who wasn't there during Atlantis that wasn't
wasn't there to help people at that time, that Amnita is coming
forward at this time to help us choose a different path.

(34:56):
But it's also Mother Earth coming through at the same time
saying, you know, I love you guys so much.
I love all of my children of Earth so, so much that I don't
want that to happen again. I don't want to flood the Earth.
I don't want to, you know, wipe the civilization out like I've
done in the past, that this timeis going to be going to be
different. And that these gifts that are
coming forward, all, you know, ayahuasca and all of these

(35:18):
mushrooms and, and amnita now are coming forward in some ways
as both a gift from, from MotherEarth, but also from these
substances. So that we can all just say,
let's do different this time. We're all just going to work
together. If we can all figure out how to,
how to be in alignment with our true self and in alignment with

(35:40):
consciousness, it's going to be heaven on earth.
And I thought that was just sucha beautiful, beautiful message
because I think in some ways we forget that, you know, we're
all, we're all doing this together.
It's not just one, it's not justSam Nita coming forward.
It's not just one person that's coming forward to change things,
but it's like all of us coming together and working together to
make this happen. Yeah, that's that's beautiful.

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I firmly believe that we're heading to a place that we've
never been before as a civilization.
I don't think that we're going to be wiped out this time.
So that's really cool. Do you?
Were you implying that you don'tthink Amanita was around during
Atlantis? Is that kind of the gist of the
message that you got? That was the message I got and I
asked that specifically. I said it was Amanita there at

(36:24):
this time, you know, and she said no, not, not with Atlantis,
that maybe she was being used upnorth, further away from that
area in, in tribes and whatnot, but not by the people in the
civilization that were really part of Atlantis.
That system, I guess it was a very big.
Colony. Civilization that.
She wasn't there in the early days.

(36:46):
I had a customer come to me e-mail and like I have to tell
you the story and blah, blah, blah.
And in the story, he had the same message come through and
that's that that his his messagewas that Amanita was brought to
the world after the fall of Atlantis.

(37:06):
So it wasn't even a thing. It wasn't even on the Earth
prior to that. And you know, who knows?
But there was a really, there was a really strong resonance
with me personally that like it was not used during Atlantean
times. And that was, yeah, it was
interesting. So that's that's cool to hear
that story. It does make a lot of sense.
Have you read Soma Divine Mushroom of Immortality or any

(37:29):
of these other books that go into like really ancient Amanita
stuff? Yeah, I have.
Recently I've been trying to resist learning from other
people and try to try to do moreinner work.
But yeah, I have read a lot about it.
It's so, it's so interesting thepotential, like most religions
were birds from the ancient mushroom cults and like these

(37:53):
cults were, you know, psilocybinand amanita.
And it's so interesting to thinkand that the concept that like
that amanita was really potentially at the back or the
backbone of many of these religions way back in the day
and then completely swept under the rug.
There's a bunch of really interesting data that suggests
that Christ or Yeshua or Jesus utilized Amanita and I.

(38:17):
Just read that I just read that about even her his mother that
Mary Magdalene had had done the same.
There was like this underground rights that were using it.
Yeah, yeah. And then and then you get into
like the Eucharist and stuff like body of Christ and blood of
Christ, like farewell could havebeen the Amanita.
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's just it's
such an interesting rabbit hole to go down.

(38:38):
And then it was completely wipedclean.
And it seems like there's been asystematic effort for thousand
couple 1000 years to rid the world of this Amanita knowledge.
And I'm so curious about like part of the part of I don't
think it's the Rig Veda, I thinkit's the Chinese.
I can't remember the text names,but very, very likely talking

(39:00):
about Amanita and how it was used to revive people from the
dead. And like, I don't know how one
would do that. Maybe there's a way to do, who
knows but like. I haven't taken over that part
yet. Yeah, that ties into the, you
know, Christ story potentially and sacred mushroom or something
like that. The more recent that I read, no,
it's not sacred mushroom in the cross.

(39:21):
It's the other one. It's the I think I was telling
you about this. It's so this guy in the 50s, he,
he was studying ESP and then got, went into the military and
became a doctor and his old ESP like study partner or something
assistant hit him up one day saying, I have this guy that
came in to see me and he went into a psychometric psychometry,

(39:45):
psychometric state. I think that's the phrase
touching this ancient Egyptian object and, and went into a
trance and started speaking in, in ancient Egyptian and writing
in Egyptian hieroglyphs and talking about this mushroom and
these mushroom rites that they would have.
And he was, you know, apparentlythe trance was of a high priest.

(40:07):
You know, a long time ago and the, the whole, the whole book
is like this guy basically trying to figure out if this
other guy is faking it or hoaxing it.
So it's, it's a really dry read.So he does some experiences,
experiments with him and what heends up finding is that his
conclusion is that it's not a hoax.
In the experiments that he did, he finds that Amanita and he

(40:31):
didn't know like how to use it properly.
He didn't have any. There was no decarboning.
There wasn't anything like that.So it was just like having
people eat like a cap or something like that, you know, a
raw cap, not dried or anything. People would get very sick.
And yeah, he didn't do many experiments, but he found that
people with that he called intuitives, like individuals
that already exhibited psychic behavior, they, their intuitive

(40:56):
faculties would increase like a hundredfold under the influence
of Amanita. And this was consistent with
like the stories that were beingtold to him by this guy that was
under trance. But another thing, and that's
all another topic, but another thing that, that this guy
exclaimed in his, in his trance state was that they would make
this this salve from Amanita andrub it on the occipital lobe, I

(41:23):
think where babies have a soft spot.
And it would yeah, yeah, yeah. And it would induce an out of
body state nearly instantaneously.
And and like, you know, I don't know, I don't know the
pharmacology behind something like that.
I'm a little nervous to try it. They're also like, don't do too
much 'cause you might never comeback.
And so I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
But then so, so like there's potentially, potentially all

(41:47):
these other ways to utilize thismushroom or psychedelics in
general that we're just not, they've been completely wiped
from our history and our yeah, it's an interesting tangent, but
but I I'm also curious about, and that ties into this ties
into synchronicities. Have you noticed like a, a
profound increase in intuition or other like you mentioned, you

(42:09):
know, thinking of somebody and then you look down and they're
calling you things of that nature?
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I was, I guess it
already has to be someone that'ssomewhat in tune with their
intuition, you know, have to know what intuition is or that
they're even following their intuition.
So like, I gave it to a friend of mine and he really is into
dreams. His big thing is about dreams,

(42:29):
but that's his whole thing. He only used it to increase his
intuition because he notices howimportant it is that when he
uses it, he knows what decision to make.
And if you look at the world andyou're like, oh, everything's
about logic. And there's two decisions I can
have vanilla ice cream or chocolate ice cream.
There is no reason why you should choose either.
You know, it's a, it's a, it's an equal decision.

(42:50):
Why would you make? And so then you get really
frustrated because like, I got all these decisions in my life,
which one's the best decision? Like, so it could be really
frustrating, which is one of my problems.
I was like, oh, I got to have the perfect path.
I have to do the right thing every single time.
And it can really hurt because if you didn't make the right
decision, you look back, you're like, I've got it.
What an idiot I was. I didn't make that decision.

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But when you use intuition, which you know is your, your
higher self who already has a a map of the whole whole path that
you might have in life and already knows which way is the
best decision. It'll guide you to, you know,
the chocolate. You just intuitively.
The first decision is usually your intuition intuitively
chocolate, chocolate's going to be the best one because then
it's going to remind you of thispast event and it's going to

(43:33):
give you more pleasure or whatnot.
I think that's huge actually. And I, it's funny because I, I
like to talk about that with people about how important it is
to the intuition because that every decision that you make in
your day should be following intuition.
That you shouldn't be using logic that you know, your ego is
someone that's, that's a good part of you that lives in this

(43:53):
3D reality that should be following the advice of your
higher self. But we have it backwards.
We're like, OK, listen only to logic, only listen to your ego.
That can get you way off course.You know, if you don't listen to
your interest at all, you can just, you could be totally off
course from what's going to giveyou more happiness and
fulfillment in your life. And then the more you follow

(44:14):
your intuition is the more you guide it right back onto your,
you know, the most happy, fulfilling life that you've,
that you could possibly do. And so I, I think that's, that's
actually huge. And obviously you could either
go internally and say, you know,the first intuition that I can
think of, I'm going to follow it.
But you can also do the other way where it's like you see
everything mirrored to you, where you see someone, someone

(44:36):
message you that's kind of in alignment with what you want to
do and you're already thinking it.
And then you follow that guidance.
Or you're about to drive to the grocery store and then a bird
poops on your windshield and like, ha, that's kind of a
negative synchronicity. Maybe I shouldn't go to this
grocery store. And actually my, my friend that
I told you about that use it forintuition.
He actually avoided a major car crash because he'd been using

(44:59):
Amnita for about 3 weeks to a month.
Because I told him dude on, you know, month long thing and he
was going to go left in an intersection.
And as he was about to go left, it was turned green.
And his intuition said, don't turn left.
And he followed it, which is amazing.
Most people wouldn't follow thatintuition.

(45:19):
They would just be like, yeah, whatever, I'm going to go.
So he did. He waited one second, two
seconds, crash. This person driving through ran
the red light crashed into the other person who was turning
right. Major accident.
The person flew through the windshield, died and almost hit
the person on the sidewalk. So there would have been two

(45:39):
deaths, but there was one death.And he avoided it because he
listened to his intuition. And he texted me immediately was
like, these mushrooms are amazing.
I, I follow my intuition and I didn't die today because of it.
And so it's like, you know, not most of the time intuition is
not going to save your life, butsometimes it might.
Sometimes it might. You don't really know until you

(45:59):
till you tap into it. Yeah, that's that's a wild
story. But also it's enjoyable.
I think in some ways it's kind of enjoyable to see these like
magical synchronicities happen in your life.
You know, the, the, the clock times and people calling you at
the right time or thinking at the same time.
It adds a lot of enjoyment to life instead of it just being a

(46:22):
bunch of randomness. It's it's enjoyable, makes
things more interesting. Yeah, my big ones.
License plates these days. License plate numbers and
letters. Oh yeah, it's mind blowing.
What do you see? What do you see in them?
Well, I mean, you know, I have my numbers, like 319 is my
birthday, so that's that's my big number.
There's a host of other numbers that I have that relate to

(46:44):
different life experiences that I have.
Some are positives, some are notas positive.
I'll say it's interesting depending on my state of mind
there, you know, my emotions in any given day, like the numbers
that are reflected back to me. Yeah, Yeah.
I wanted to talk about the gas station gummies, as I call them,

(47:06):
'cause this is how I found you. This is how we, this is how we
connected. Like I was, I was shown this
article that you wrote and it was just such a well written
article laying down this phenomena that we're seeing.
And yeah, I'd love to, I'd love to hear your thoughts about
about the phenomena, why it may be happening from a spiritual

(47:28):
perspective, and then kind of what our game plan is, you know,
moving forward dealing with this.
Yeah. I mean, obviously we can, we can
kind of see what's going to happen in the future based on
what's happened in the past. And like you've said, it's about
the last 2000, maybe more years that it's been kind of
sequestered. And I, I chalk it up mostly to

(47:49):
the church, the, the church organizations, not spirituality,
not Christianity as it's as itself, but the organization of
the church. Because at the end of the day,
they don't want you to be able to realize that you've got the
power within yourself to, you know, you have your own guidance
system and that you need to lookto the church.
And there's a lot of power, a lot of money that comes from

(48:09):
people being disempowered and, and looking up to other people
and being in a state of fear. I mean, there's a huge control
system based on people being in a state of fear.
Because once you're in a state of fear, you're no longer
listening to yourself. You're like, tell me what to do,
Tell me what to do. Tell me if I need to, to run
outside and hoard a bunch of toilet paper.
Tell me I don't care, just I need someone else to do it for

(48:31):
me. And so when you take that
empowerment on yourself now, you'll no longer need the news,
You no longer need someone else.You don't need the politicians
and all these things, right? So it's a lot of people who have
a lot of money who would like and needed to not be
rediscovered and to be used by people, especially in the right
ways. And over the last, you know, 5

(48:52):
to 10 years as they've noticed that.
I say they because of different people who are involved in this.
It's also pharmaceutical companies that it's competition.
You know, there's many differentgroups that have a vested
interest against Amanita. And it's also not super
profitable in the fact that you can't patent it.
You know, we do have laws that if it's from nature that you
can't patent it yourself, which is great.

(49:13):
Thank goodness for that law. It was in this place where you
say, OK, I want to sell this mushroom.
I want more people to find it. But you also have people who are
already in very powerful positions who want to do what
they can to keep people from finding it.
And we're starting to see, and I'm sure you have how they do
it. You know, every time that they
they push down on us, you realize, oh, this is a method
that they use. Oh, this is a method that they

(49:33):
use. You know, one of the, the 1st
and most obvious ones is paymentprocessors.
You know, you don't realize it, but the banks have a huge amount
of control over what you can andcan't buy.
Because if you want to use a credit card, which is the main
way that we pay, we have every company that sells to you has to
have a payment processor set up.And the payment processors
actually have a lot of say on what you can and can't sell.

(49:55):
So they can't, they can come together and say you're no
longer allowed to sell, that we're no longer working with
you. And so then you say, OK, well,
I'm stuck now back with cash or cryptocurrency.
And that happened over the past like over November, December,
January was a huge wave of all the payment processors because
there's only a couple banks. We've got monopolies.

(50:15):
That bank, I think Visa and MasterCard own like 80% of all
of these companies. And so that that prevents a lot
of people from being in the space and selling because a lot
of work, it costs more money to have these small payment
processors who have really high fees that are allowing you to
sell Amnita. And the other way is this
through political means where wenow saw the FDA.

(50:38):
That was the whole reason I wrote that post, the FDA coming
down and saying we don't allow this in food and beverage under
the guise of safety. And their argument is that it's
unsafe to use. It's not grass certified.
And grass is generally recognized as safe, which
technically grass does technically encompass anything
that has been used over a historical amount of time.

(51:00):
So Amiot would technically undertheir laws, say that it's safe
to use, but they made it, went out and said, no, we're not,
we're not going to allow this. And then use the example of this
diamond shrooms company that became kind of the like, I don't
know, the like public, public entity that got its head chopped
off. If some say it's like be fearful

(51:21):
because we could do this to you where Diamond streams was just
blasted publicly that they were selling the really tarmful
mushrooms and they were in some ways selling a gummy that was
harmful because they were combining it with some illegal
and also not great to combine like other GABA agonists.
And we know that if you put too many GABA agonists together, not

(51:43):
just Amnita, but let's say kratom, cava and pregabalin, it
just depresses your, your central nervous system too much.
And if you take too much of it, which a lot of people were
because they wanted to get high and they don't have access to
psilocybin mushrooms, then you might go to the hospital and
have some issues. But of course, the FDA made this

(52:03):
decision and there was maybe 20 people who had actually had
issues. And how many?
We have 100,000 people that haveissues with aspirin every year.
So you can see that it seemed a little targeted some other ways
that we also see is propaganda. I mean, I, I didn't realize this
until the last three months or so, that they had so much
control over Google and. Oh, yeah, yeah, I did had, you

(52:27):
know, realize that Google is notjust a free form algorithm that
you think, oh, you plug it in and it's just going to give you
what the top results are. They actually have a lot of
control over what comes up on the 1st 21 to 5 pages and more
if they wanted to, where they actually garner certain ones to
come to the top. You know, whichever articles
have the worst things to say about AMU, they're going to make

(52:48):
sure that it's right at the top.And even even some articles that
are like from people who have nodomain authority, just a random
forum that says that this mushroom is really terrible.
They'll put it at the top because it's those looks really
bad. So then when somebody looks up
online how to use Amnita, is it safe to use?
All they can find is, you know, toxic, deadly, worse than

(53:10):
heroin. And they've also been paying
doctors, which is really, this is one of the ones that really
bugs me is they pay doctors to say, to say that it's really
harmful and really bad for you. And it's worse than all these
other really toxic drugs. And I always just get really
upset about that because, you know, people look to these
doctors as a as a source of info.
And so when they get paid off, it's really hard to fight that

(53:32):
information. You know, you have to 1st
realize that doctors may not always be telling the truth
before you can realize that Amnita is better, that Amnita
might be helpful for you. And of course, now, now we're
seeing just these other companies coming on the scene
that just want to make money because you can't sell
psilocybin, you can't sell ayahuasca, you can't sell DMT,
not legally. And Amy is the only legal

(53:55):
psychedelic psychoactive substance right now.
But we've also seen that if you want to sell it as in a
recreational route, you're goingto have to put kind of some high
amounts of Aminita at the same time.
It's not easy to get Aminita that it's all has to be forged.
It's not a super easy, you can'tgrow it.

(54:16):
So we're having to take companies that want to just get
into the market as quick as possible and they can't access
it. I mean, I had many people come
to me and say, Hey, you have this extract.
We'll, we'll love to sell it. We'll set, we'll give you this
much money. And I've had to say, no, I'm
going to stick with my morals here and not sell it to you
because I know what they're going to do with this extract.

(54:37):
They're going to sell it as a legal psychedelic, sell it as a
recreational thing, which is theantithesis to what I really
believe and needs to be to be good for.
And so it's going to be really interesting to see what happens
in the next 5 years. You know, I at this point think
that they've thrown what they can.
They've they've shown. I was really hoping that just
throw your cards, just show yourcards, tell us what you can do.

(54:59):
And then I can start, you know, doing what I can to go after it.
Because it's when it's like slowwhere they where you try one
thing and then they say no or they you try another thing to
get it out there. That that is the hardest thing
to be honest. It's like a like a back and
forth with the light in the dark, almost like a little,
little bit of a battle in some ways.
But I'd say that propaganda is probably their number one best

(55:21):
and most used way of preventing people from using ammonia.
And that's the way that they hadused it for a long time.
You know, don't touch the red mushroom.
Don't touch mushrooms in general, don't forage for
mushrooms. And to this day, anybody that
goes up to my booth often will say something like, oh, it's not
the toxic mushroom for you. Can't, you can't be sure you're

(55:42):
picking the right mushroom, right?
You know, it just comes up. Yeah, I think the the easiest
way to get people to not look into something is to convince
them that it's toxic, simple andstraightforward.
And they've done a very good jobat over the past thousand years
or however long it's been. Yeah, it's been interesting

(56:02):
phenomena and like gas, it's so frustrating when you have people
marketing, you know, for a CODMTis Amanita and like I I often
time I just got to like realize and and be OK with that.
This is part of the story and it's all happening, you know, as
as it's meant to happen, but it's it's been a frustrating
battle to to be in for sure. You mean specifically that like

(56:26):
the first point of? Access that they have to Amanita
is something that's not even Amanita.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then and then it completely.
It completely derails their opinion about Amanita and
completely. I mean, it makes it makes the
path from, you know, first hearing about it to maybe being
interested in what it actually has to offer, which is healing

(56:48):
and something much more, you know, profound than maybe not
more profound, but something much more substantive than
experience. You know, it makes that path
considerably longer and more windy and convoluted and more
barriers on it. And it's also potentially a
blessing, you know, will be a big blessing in the end.

(57:09):
But. But yeah, it's been an
interesting thing to for us to come up against in this
industry. Yeah.
And even it was not the same. I mean I.
I would say first that my customers are typically not the
ones that buy first from a from a gas station.
And so that is a bit of a savinggrace for me that their, their
first interaction is often with me or with psychedelics and then

(57:29):
with me typically is the way it goes.
So I imagine that it hits you a bit more than anything that
you're getting a bit of this because you're on the front
front lines a bit. But it's a little similar to the
CBD industry that I used to workin, where we knew in the
industry that CBD works best when it's combined with THC.
It was like the perfect synergy,just need a little bit of THC

(57:52):
and it would just work, you know, and I had all these
medicinal benefits. In some ways, I was in that
industry because CBD is like everything they say about CBD,
Amnita does and CBD kind of does.
But you knew that it would work better when they were together.
But we had this legal structure that said you have to sell CBD
only outside of the cannabis markets, and you could sell

(58:16):
anything with THC only inside the cannabis markets.
And so if you wanted to just have the medicinal benefits, you
really didn't get the full benefit of it.
And most of the people that wereselling the product, the
cheapest way to do it was using a distal and an isolate, which
is also happening in the Amnita space.
And so you're like, I just want to be able to sell this really
full spectrum product to the people, but you can't because

(58:39):
the the legal system makes it sothat you can either get this
kind of distillate that doesn't really work, or you go into the
cannabis market and it's all THCand there's no CBD.
There was no, there was no medicinal middle ground.
And it's like we're seeing the same thing with AMITA.
It's like the we're getting the,the kind of crap gummies that
don't really have anything of value at the gas station.

(59:00):
And then there's some people whoare coming out with this, you
know, isolate muscum all just because that's easier and it's
being made and cheaper and it also doesn't work the same.
And so you're like, I just wish I could get people to, to try
the real thing and then they would actually see the benefits
that everyone's been when talking about.
But it's like, that's not the how the that's not how the story

(59:22):
is going to unfold. Apparently it's going to be a
little different and a little rockier.
Yeah. And that's OK.
I I think in the end it'll be a blessing.
But but yeah, it's, it's interesting to to play it out
for sure. What do you recommend for how do
people start? Like what's your typical
protocol? How do you get people started
on? And if somebody comes to you and
they're like, I want to try this.
What do you, what do you usuallyrecommend and offer?

(59:43):
So when people you know, how would I how do I sell a product
that? Somebody has the best experience
they possibly can with working with amid because that was
ultimately my goals, like I wantpeople to have the best
experience possible to utilize this mushroom as as I've found
such benefits and capsules was the way that I could I could do
that. It was evenly dosed.
So they could have two hundred 5500 milligrams or 1g and I

(01:00:08):
would tell them take it for three weeks, take it for three
weeks every single day. You can take it in the morning,
you can take it in the nights, you can take it both times
doesn't matter. And after three weeks, you take
a week off. And then you need to look
backwards and find out, did thatchange things?
And also ask people around you. Because one of the other things
is that a lot of people don't realize how much they've
changed, but the people around them have, they've really

(01:00:30):
noticed that they're being more authentic to themselves or
they're being more confident, more social.
And so I put a guide in every every order.
I put a little guide book that said all the questions that
somebody might have. How much, how often, how long
would you be taking it for? What are some things that I
shouldn't be taking with it? You know, one of the things is
dehydration is a is a problem. So you do need to drink more

(01:00:52):
water than normal. Don't combine it with red wine,
specifically benzodiazepines, any GABA Urgic things.
Journaling is really important because it's the same thing you
like knowing what's going on andwriting it down as the
synchronicities happen is super important because you can
easily, you know, look past it and not realize what's

(01:01:12):
happening. Then there's this whole world
of, of foraging it and making itinto a product that I had to
figure out as well. You know, how do I, how do I
forage this mushroom that that goes and rots within hours?
You know, most mushrooms that wesee on the market, even the ones
that are well foraged like Chanterelles or Bolitz or any of
these, there's a very, very stable mushrooms.

(01:01:34):
If you if you take them and forage them in on up in Alaska
and they get shipped to a grocery store, they'll last, you
know, about a week or five days or so in for duration.
Amlia doesn't even last a day. It doesn't even last 12 hours
before it starts to deteriorate and start going bad.
And so learning how to how to get it straight from the forest
into a dehydrator. And then there's this whole

(01:01:56):
problem with Muscamala being super quickly degrading where it
doesn't it doesn't stay stable for very long.
You know, if you just left it out, even with without oxygen
just out in the open six months later, it's going to already
degrade. Then I wanted to be able to sell
it for the whole year. And so having a process where
now I have to freeze it and takeout the oxygen and put a

(01:02:16):
dehydrator packet in an oxygen packet in it and, and do
whatever I could to keep it preserved and then only make it
into small batches, you know, small batches as I went along.
It doesn't make it for scale. I mean, I'm not, I'm not in this
position where I could just like, OK, scale.
It's going to, it's going to blow up right now because it's
so hands on, so methodical. But it was the way I wanted to

(01:02:37):
do it. That was that was the that was
the product that was coming through me.
And everybody that kind of comesforward with Amina has a
different has a different pathway with them.
You don't know how they're goingto sell it.
But this this was where I was going to do it, where I was
going to really help lead peopleand people who are going to find
me were going to be just like me.
Where they were more anxious, a little bit nervous about how to
use it, didn't want to have to boil it or didn't want to have

(01:02:59):
to deal with it and thought it was tasted bad or was going to
smell their house up and was more attractive of a product
than than just mushrooms. And not that any of those ways
is bad. Definitely not.
And and having experience with the mushroom is also an amazing
experience. You know, this is a little bit
detached. That was the way that I was
going to do it, you know, and I was thinking, OK, well, somebody

(01:03:21):
could easily copy me at some point.
But at that point, hopefully I've impacted enough people.
And I, I always told myself thatI just wanted one person.
If I said if I can help one person with Amnita, then it was
a success story. And I I think I've helped a lot
more people than that. So that's kind of yeah, yeah,
I'm sure the same. For you, yeah.

(01:03:42):
I love that you freeze them. I wish.
I wish I had the. Ability to do that that's yeah,
I'd say they they really lose potency over time.
It's it's frustrating, but it's part of it's part of the
business I guess. But that's great that you freeze
them. That's cool.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously I would love
to like deep. Freeze them.
I know somebody had told me thatyou could deep freeze them like

(01:04:02):
calving into, you know -20°F andthey would last for several
years versus just just one year.You know, I'm, I'm still just
like you where I have to stick with whatever's, whatever fruits
that year. If it's a bad mushroom year,
that's just how it's going to be.
If it's a, if it's a great mushroom year, that's I'm going
to have enough for the year. And the first, the first year I

(01:04:23):
was fine. The second year I ran out like
9-9 months in or something like that, or maybe even six months
in. And so there's all these things
that you're like, how do I sell a medicinal product that as if
it's like, I feel like I'm goingback in time, back in like 1800s
where they were trying to work with these, you know, things
from nature and see how it works.

(01:04:44):
And you realize it's really tough.
It's like really tough to preserve these molecules and
make it work. And you can see why the
Pharmaceutical industry is the way it is.
You, you see that they, it's like, oh, if you just isolate it
and I put it in this capsule andit's this pressed pill, it's
stable. And even if the ones that aren't
very stable are hard to work, but they're like just let's just
not even sell those ones. Let's just tell the ones that

(01:05:04):
are really easy for us to reproduce and are cheap and
everything. So it's going to be interesting,
you know, like how people are going to shift over into these,
you know, natural medicines. It's it's going to be
interesting to see how the market unfolds for sure.
It is, Yeah. It's going to be a Yeah, it's,
it's a. Story playing out?
Absolutely. Yeah.
How do people find you? My website is the best way to

(01:05:26):
find me luminita dot. Co LUMINI ta.co, it's just
luminous combined with Amanita together, because that's how I
always felt like it made me feel, made me feel luminous.
So that's, that's the best way to find me.
Yeah. And as much as I can tell you
social medias or any of the other places that I might be

(01:05:48):
found, these, these may not lastforever.
You know, I can always be taken off those places, but I can
always, I'll always have my website.
It's always nice to talk to you and I appreciate.
The time today and I'm excited to continue to develop our
relationship and and be a part of this epic story that's that's
playing out right now. Yeah, it's it's been really

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great. Great to talk to you.
Christian and thanks for having me on of course.
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