July 3, 2025 • 49 mins
Are you living life like it’s your own indie film—or just spiraling with a soundtrack? In this hilarious and heartfelt episode, Andi & Mich unpack the viral phenomenon of main character energy. From powerful walk-in-the-room confidence to romanticizing laundry day with a playlist, we explore what it really means to take up space, be seen, and own your story. Plus: top cringe vs. iconic main character behaviors, pet co-stars, people-watching etiquette, and how to avoid the “delulu” trap.
If you’ve ever stared dramatically out a window, narrated your life in your head, or whispered “plot twist” mid-argument, this one’s for you.
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Hello everybody.
Welcome back to Andi and Mich,where two sisters, two
generations, and one powerfulmain character moment at a time
come together.
Today we're diving into themagic and the mayhem of main
character energy.
That feeling when the worldpauses and you know the scene is
yours.
Is it attention seeking or is itdivine confidence?
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Let's talk about the vibes, thesigns, and those moments when
you know the camera's on you,even if it's invisible.
So grab your cafecito and let'sdive in.
All right.
Y'all main character energy isthe topic.
We got into a conversation aboutmain character energy randomly.
Yeah.
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And we decided why not turn itinto a podcast episode.
So, what does it mean when youhave main character energy?
Main character energy is whenyou carry yourself like the lead
in your own life story.
It's that confident magneticvibe where you walk into a room
like you belong there, makeeveryday moments, feel
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meaningful or cinematic and ownyour space without permission.
It does not mean that you arebeing self-absorbed but it does
mean treating your life like itmatters and showing up like
you're worthy of attention,love, and good things.
I think main character energy isall about confidence, so much so
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that you don't give a shit whenanybody else thinks of you.
That's a secret sauce.
Secret sauce.
You just get to a point whereyou don't care and you don't
care in a good way.
It's like, I don't care becauseit doesn't impact me.
I think when you do a lot ofwork to be at a good space in
terms of like emotionalwellness, mental wellness,
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health.
You can start to be the leadingperson in your own life and
remember that you're not justlike a side character that
things happen to.
A lot of the decisions that youmake and the people you allow
into your space really do impactthe direction of your life.
When you're really comfortablein yourself and like you really
know who you are.
Mm-hmm.
You can just walk into a spaceand it's just an energy though,
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literally emits off of you.
And people feel it.
It has an impact.
I think it's crazy how many ofus, especially women, have not
really embraced our maincharacter energy.
Many of us and this is societal,like we've been taught not to,
we've been taught to be thesidekick and to take a backseat
to other people.
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Even with all the stuff outthere in popular culture about
wellness and using your voice.
People are still not practicinglike main character energy,
they're not fully stepping intoit.
And I think some people areusing the term but not actually
living up to what that means.
You can tell the differencebetween someone who is in their
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main character energy and it'sgenuine.
Mm-hmm.
All the messy and the good bitsthat make them so fun and
interesting.
Mm-hmm.
You can tell when it feelsphony.
There's always like a coolnessto them.
Like they're usually real chillthey have like a warm low key
vibe.
For the most part and they don'tmind taking up space.
Yeah, they walk in there withthis anchored understanding of
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like themselves and how theyimpact the spaces that they
enter.
It's okay for them to like allowyou to take the stage or take
the spotlight.
You know what I mean?
It's not a threat, I feel likeit just kind of is very natural
to them.
It depends on everyone'sindividual experiences, but I
feel like that's a commonexperience of like, feeling like
you don't belong in a space andso making yourself small in
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those spaces as a result, versuswalking in and being in those
spaces with main characterenergy is like, I have
confidence and I am telling youI belong here, I don't need you
to give me permission.
It's such a power move to, walkinto a space and just take
ownership of your belonging.
The person who's standing intheir main character energy is
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like, kind, caring, thoughtfulof other people, right.
Like you said earlier, it's notall about the spotlight being on
them all of the time.
Versus the latter is all aboutego and I need to be seen and I
need to be the center ofattention and I'm gonna be over
the top to claim my space.
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I totally agree there's a warmthto it.
That whole main characterenergy, it's not charming.
Right, there's like conflationwith like main character energy
and being able to just charmeveryone in the room.
They can just hold space forothers, and then when you ask
them questions, there's adiscernment to how they answer
the questions.
It's just people who aregenuinely themselves and it's
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really beautiful.
There's a negative connotationto having main character energy
because when you are in a badmood, the whole room will shift.
Yeah'cause energy is powerful.
The vibe that you bring into aspace really matters more than
anything.
I remember years ago, one of myfirst jobs, one of the tasks
they gave me was like planningevents.
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And I would have to callcustomers and invite them to
events.
And one of the things that theywould always say to us is, if
you smile you can hear it overthe phone.
The way you carry yourself, theway you're sitting, the energy
that you have, over the phonematters'cause it comes through.
And I think that was a veryearly on life lesson around
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energy and how like our energycan shift.
Because somebody else is feelingthat, whether it's on the phone
or whether you're in a room fullof people.
Sometimes we don't realize howimpactful we really are to each
other as human beings.
Which also speaks to the powerwe have in our own lives, right?
Like when you can step into thatand even tapping into just a
little bit of your maincharacter energy, you can change
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everything for yourself.
Especially if you're leading agroup or you have to be in
charge of something, your energymatters because everybody's
gonna shift to meet you whereyou are.
And that's why if you're likereally good at tapping into that
main character energy.
Then you also have the abilityto bring people to your
energetic level.
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You can convert energy, i'mgonna take your bad energy and
I'm gonna raise it.
You also stop taking everythingpersonal.
Like if they're having a badday, usually we react because we
make it personal.
Oh, you're being mean to be,versus you're just having a bad
day and you're probably beingmean to everybody and it's
nothing personal.
It's about you, it's not aboutme.
But when you're in your maincharacter energy, you can be
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more empathetic and step backand be like, hmm, not gonna take
it personal hope, everythingturns around, good luck to you.
Yeah.
And that's where theself-awareness piece comes in.
Mm-hmm.
So how do you know you have maincharacter energy?
We're gonna go through a rollinglist of some main character
energy examples or some classicsigns.
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Listen ladies, this is aninvitation, you gotta step into
your main character energy someof us just need to dive in 100%.
Yeah, some people are justliving in it, like that's the
frequency they live in, andthat's it, 24 7/.
And some people, it's not somuch that it's like a frequency
that you live in, but you canchannel into it.
Yeah and for some of us, we justhave to learn'cause we've never
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fully embraced it and we'venever allowed ourselves to fully
live in that space.
Maybe we've been afraid of it orit's just is unfamiliar to us
but, we're still learning.
And it, and the only way tolearn is to start doing.
All right.
So what are some classic signsof main character energy?
People look when you walk in,not because of your looks.
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I mean, you look fabulous.
Congratulations, you're a gorge.
But it's because of your aura.
Yeah, we were talking aboutthis, and it's like, I don't
wanna be conceited, but everytime I walk into a space, people
look at me like, full on, lookat me.
They make eye contact with me.
There's a moment with strangersand it's all different kinds of
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people.
It's not like always one kind ofperson.
It's like children, adults, oldpeople, men, women, whoever.
Right.
And I was telling Mich.
Is that weird?
No.
And for the longest time I usedto think, oh my God, something
must be wrong with me.
Or there I look funny or myhair's messed up.
And then at some point I washaving a conversation with
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someone who I would considerlike a mentor.
And we started talking aboutlike this idea of like main
character energy.
We weren't calling it maincharacter energy but we were
talking about this concept.
And it clicked.
Cause she was like, your energyis very powerful.
Like when you're in a room,especially as a emerging leader
at the time and, in a leadershiprole in many of the things I do
now you step into that and youkind of almost have a control
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over certain spaces.
But she was like, your energy'svery powerful.
So when you walk into a room,people feel it and they notice
it, which means you're alreadytapping into that and you just
have to learn how to use it moreand use it for good.
But I used to think that peoplewould look at me because
something was wrong.
And usually that means thatyou're tapping into some of this
powerful energy.
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The the good old MCE Aura.
The good old mce aura.
Also, sometimes you're in yourMCE, you're like, yeah.
My main character energy is onfire.
And then you walk to your carand you look at yourself in the
mirror and you realize you havechocolate on the side of your
mouth from the chocolatecroisant you just ate before you
walked into the store and alsoyour lip tint looks crazy.
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You look like the Joker,although I will say usually if
I'm looking wild, I'm definitelynot in my main character energy,
i'm in my full blown ADHDspiral.
And I am very aware of thedifference between the two.
I think you could still be amain character who spirals.
In fact, most main characters dospiral.
We'll get to that.
So number two, you narrate yourlife in your head and sometimes
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out loud.
Dude, all the time.
Legit all the time.
I have like a narrator all thetime.
That's real.
I'm glad that I read thissomewhere at some point where it
says like, if you talk out loudto yourself, that's a sign of
intelligence.
Because I talk out loud tomyself a lot.
This is a lot how I processthings but I do narrate a lot of
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things in my head.
Like there's constant activitygoing on.
You know what's fascinating?
Some people hear their voicelike their own voice.
Some people hear like adifferent voice, like people
experience their internalnarration differently.
This is where I feel crazybecause I hear my voice when I'm
writing something.
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My inner knowing I like to referto it as is like sometimes it's
not my voice.
Did you give it like a persona?
I don't know.
Like your main character energyhas a persona, has a stage name.
It's me incognito.
Maybe you just assign acharacter a wise Helen Marin.
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See, I wouldn't want HelenMarin.
Don't hate on Helen Maron.
No, I love Helen.
She's amazing.
She's amazing.
But I feel like if it was awoman, I would want Viola Davis
in my head.
Yeah, love her too.
It sounded, that sounds reallyweird.
Viola Davis, can you narrate ourlives for us?
Please, and thank you.
We love you and we need yourwisdom.
Okay.
Have you ever narrated yourselfin like when you're really
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feeling yourself and you gosomewhere and maybe you like
walk into a cafe?
And you're like, wow, look at melike I am vibing, i'm feeling
good, everything is great.
Like if you catch yourself inthe mirror.
Yeah.
Like you look at yourself in themirror and you realize what your
inner narration is like hypingyou up.
It's like your hype man nowyou're hype woman.
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It's like you're, it's like thisDJ's best friend, always to the
left of them, like,"yeah, bro,you've got this." Well, no, I
just tell myself sometimes.
It's just your own voice.
Yeah.
It's just my own voice, it's notmy inner narrator.
Okay.
Your, main character, energy,you are romanticizing
everything, even Laundry Day hasa soundtrack.
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Uh, yeah.
And you have like, you go to thegrocery store, it's like a crazy
indie film moment for you, orit's a rainy day and you're
journaling and you have a wholehealing montage scene happening.
I like to drive when it rainsand play like really deep.
Dude, that's what this issaying.
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Like, you create a cozy indiefilm moment.
Yeah.
But it's very drama.
When I used to have to driveinto early in the mornings for
work.
Mm-hmm.
And it was all foggy.
Radiohead, I'm in it.
Did it go from a like a superhyped up deep indie film to when
you're driving home from work tojust a sad comedy?
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Just Johnny Cash.
I hurt myself today." That'sfunny.
It's okay.
We can do it through this.
I'll get to your dream, Ipromise.
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Yeah, i've had those momentswhere it just feels very
romanticized.
One of the other ones that Ifeel is very romanticized that I
do for myself now, shout out tomy really good friend that I've
been friends since for years.
If they ever hear this, they'llknow.
One of the things that he lovesto do for himself is he listens
to Paula Cole, Shania Twain,Sheryl Crow and so you'll just
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hear him like making pasta andthen you'll just hear,"come on
girls" and he starts seeing hispasta and he is like jamming
out.
One day I came home, I wasinspired by him and I put on
"where did all the cowboys go?"You just hear me jamming out
while I'm cooking and these arethings that I did for a long
time, and then I was likereinvigorated to do it again,
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and it was just like sopleasant.
Oh, I have a soundtrack toeverything I do in my life.
I know you do.
I've heard it.
If I could have music playing, Iwould do it.
I would walk around looking likea crazy person.
So I just keep most of it in myhead, which now that I said that
out loud also makes me soundlike a crazy person.
My favorite is your, Christmaspozole soundtrack.
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Yes.
I have a Christmas pozolesoundtrack'cause I throw down in
the kitchen during Christmas.
When we make breakfast, we playCelia Cruz and Mark Anthony and
it's like a whole party in themorning when we're cooking
breakfast.
And yeah, I have differentsoundtracks for different
things, so I, relate to this1000%.
I didn't realize that was metapping into my MCE.
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But it really is.
Wow.
That's what I'm saying.
For a while I would only likeallow myself to have my MCE
moments in private and then Istarted realizing I could just
do it wherever.
Sometimes I'm like doing mylaundry and then I'll put on
like screamo, emo music.
You know?
It serves a dual purpose, thatone because you get to get all
the anger out.
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So this next one, I don't, thisdoesn't really apply to me'cause
I'm not a big, perfume person,but I know you are.
Yes, Mich.
Main character energy folks havea signature scent.
Everyone knows when you've beenthere.
I haven't figured out what mysignature scent is or I don't
think anyone ever knows whereI've been.
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My goal is that no one knows Iwas there.
Yeah.
Like, I wanna be like a ninja inthe night.
Yeah, that's my goal as well.
Like, I wanna go and make areally fun, woo lasting little
impression and then disappear,batman.
Where the hell did she go?
Gone.
You can't follow the trail.
Dr.
Strange, all my favorite's Noscent to follow..
The worst is when you go into aroom and everybody's scented,
it's like too much.
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Instant migraine.
Yeah.
With main character energy, doyou dress like you might run
into your ex and your futuresoulmate?
No, I'm like hobosheek all thetime.
Sometimes like you said, youcatch yourself and you're like,
who is she?
If I'm getting ready I wannalike be good for me.
And that's what I think MCEreally is.
Yeah, I don't think it's this,this, to me sounds more
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performative.
Overthinking how you're gonnalook because of the attention
you might get from someone else.
But like in our fashionably lateepisode, which if you haven't
heard, you can go back to ourpage and listen to, fashion it's
really about feeling good.
Like you just put on an outfitand you feel good, that's the
MCE energy.
Number six, you give knowinglooks to imaginary cameras like
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the office.
Like you're the fourth wall.
Yeah, sometimes, not that I'mlike looking at looking for a
camera, but I'll just like pauseand kinda look off.
I think when I do it, I'm justchecked out If someone says
something off the wall or superunhinged, I'm like, okay, we're
done and I'm gone.
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Time for dissociation.
Dissociation.
It may look like I'm beingdramatic for that main character
energy moment, but it's not.
I left.
I'll be back shortly.
Oh man.
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But it might be for you.
Number seven, you walk slowerwhen you know someone's
watching.
No.
No.
Let's be honest, if I am in fullblown main character energy as
we're talking about it, I don'teven notice anybody around me.
If I'm being completely honest.
I'm just like, in the zone, youknow.
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Get in the zone, auto zone.
I'm not like walking throughlike a Hollywood movie star,
like high fiving people.
Yeah, I hope that would bedelulu.
Yeah but I do feel like whensomebody's staring at you, it
kind of messes up the vibe.
If someone is like dead watchingme and in a weird way, I will
start moving faster.
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Story time.
Gather up.
One time I went with a reallygood friend to go eat and the
guy sitting in the booth, wewere at a diner and the guy
sitting at the booth behind herwho was facing me.
Positioned his entire body tothe right to watch me eat.
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Which is bizarre.
Super bizarre.
Yeah.
And it's like have some personalboundaries.
I think he thought this wasflirting and I was like, this is
really fucking weird.
No, it's called stalking.
I've seen this on episode of"You" think.
Or National Geographic.
But I started to feel physicallyhot in my body, and then I
started eating faster and thenthe conversation started ending
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and my friend picked up on itand was like, what is going on?
I think some people just don'thave enough self-awareness and
they think that they're so cooland they're so attractive.
That they think you're gonnafeel the vibe.
What about, this does fall inline with main character energy
because of the drama that we'vealready established, goes along
with it sometimes.
You light candles beforejournaling.
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Like you are about to summonyour future.
I've never done this.
Have you ever done that?
Light a candle?
Yeah.
I love lighting candles.
This is you.
This is my vibe, yeah, I like agood soft light too.
I have a nice lamp.
I don't like candles that oftenbecause in, I don't know if this
is just part of aging.
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I have forgotten to turn off acandle and I was like, whoa.
Like a candle in the wind.
Number nine.
I feel like Mich has done thismain character energy.
You whisper, plot twist and I dofeel like you tell stories like
this all the time and it may bea millennial thing.
I don't know.
I have done this.
Oh my god.
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One time someone was gettinginto a fight with their now
ex-boyfriend.
And the boyfriend said somethingabout the girlfriend.
I'm hearing it on speakerphoneand I was like, plot twist.
And it just fired her up evenmore.
I know I shouldn't have, but Idid because it was a plot twist
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in real time.
Yes, I do this.
I'm gonna calm down now.
I dunno where all the energycame from.
You need to calm down.
The caffeine has kicked in.
So number 10, you've practiced aTED Talk for an event that
doesn't exist yet?
Never.
Well, it's like part of hypingyourself up and having goals,
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right?
Like eventually one day I mightbe winning an award, and so what
if I need to be prepared forthat?
Clearly Andi has done this.
Mind you, these are like themost common reasons that people
have given for main characterenergy.
And how they describe it orexperience it.
You take solo cafe dates andpretend you're being watched
from across the room.
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What if you're just beingwatched?
Well, I don't agree with howpeople are describing it.
But I do think there's somethingto, like, you're kind of aware
that at any point somebody mightbe watching you because
somebody's always watching.
And so maybe that is kind of howyou experience it with main
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character energy is like you'reso confident and comfortable
that you take yourself out andthat's totally fine with you.
I've done it a lot.
I actually really have enjoyedthose times just with myself.
But I've never pretended I'mbeing watched from across the
room.
I just feel maybe a little bitmore aware that people might be
paying attention to me becauseI'm sitting by myself.
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And you know, people would beshit talking.
Oh yeah, but you know whythey're talking shit, you know
why?
Why?
Because you are more interestingthan they are.
Yes.
And they're trying to figure outwhy am I there alone?
Am I a sociopath?
Dun, dun dun.
Am I just so confident that Ijust don't give a shit?
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You reenact arguments in theshower with perfect comebacks
all the time.
All the time but is that maincharacter energy or is that just
anxiety?
It's a little bit ofperfectionism, I think.
Yeah.
I don't necessarily think it'smain character energy'cause I
think main character energyyou're like kind of over it.
Okay, for people I care about,if it didn't go well, the
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conversation or the interaction.
I will look back at it and belike, I, am hard to like,
sometimes.
Oh, and if somebody sayssomething mean to me in the day,
in the shower when I'm likedecompressing and processing my
day, sometimes I'll be like,"ohyeah, well your hair's frizzy
bitch." That would've been agreat comeback.
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Well, you're like eight hourstoo late.
I think sometimes I do it justbecause I wanna learn from it so
that if I was ever in thatsituation again, I would respond
better or feel more prepared andconfident.
Yes, I like that.
That's good, i'm gonna takethat, that's my answer.
You can't have it, it's mine.
You believe your pet is youremotional support coStar.
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They're your biggest fan.
That's why they don't want youto use the restroom without
them, because if you die,they'll never forgive
themselves.
I love that With my dog who islike over a decade years old, I
can just put my hands out, likeboth my hands out, like my arms
out to him and he'll immediatelycome over.
Mm-hmm.
And he knows what it means.
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It's like we need to snuggle, weneed an emotional moment
together.
Yeah.
And he'll come over with suchsoftness, like he doesn't run
into me he just very softly putshis head in my hands and then he
kind of give you a little hug.
Meanwhile, my emotional supportco-star will bulldoze into you
full speed.
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Like a potential concussioncoming your way.
Yeah.
And his way that he doesn't carecause that's how much he loves
you.
You treat your therapist likeyour mentor in a coming of age
movie.
I'm not in therapy right now,so, no.
Not right now, but maybe later.
I'll put a pin in that one.
I've treated them as atherapist.
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Yeah, same.
I think the main character,energy vibe of that is like, I'm
comfortable going to therapy andtalking about it and letting my
therapist be the therapist.
Doing their job, yeah.
I think also a good, maincharacter energy vibe is that
you can also differentiatebetween a good therapist and
somebody that's blowing smoke upthe butt.
(24:08):
Mm-hmm.
You can just tell if they knowwhat they're talking about and
if it's a good fit for you.
And if it's not, you'recomfortable with saying, I don't
think this is gonna work out.
I need somebody that's actuallygonna challenge me.
Yeah.
And, understands my lifeexperience and can actually help
me navigate my life experience.
Yeah, I don't know if this ismain character energy or
arrogance, but every time I havehad a therapist or a coach or a
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mentor, I'm very clear with themthat I have high expectations of
them.
Mm-hmm.
Because I am difficult.
I'm challenging.
I will challenge you.
I will be stubborn.
I will not listen to anythingthat you tell me because I think
I know better than you, 100%.
Well, you answered your ownquestion.
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But you know, it's like Ilearned to speak up and be
honest in that way because I'mowning that vibe that I have.
I wanna be in charge and I willcontinue to push you because of
it.
And I'm also trained in the samearea.
And it's not because you are notgood at your job, it's just
because that's my thing.
You wanna be confident in thefact that you are going to trust
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the process and you wanna ensurethat they are competent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if they can't respond tothat, then they can't be my
therapist.
Not just anybody can be WonderWoman's Therapist, you know what
I'm saying?
Oh my gosh, thats arrogance.
I like to straddle the lineagain.
I like to push boundaries.
So you know.
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You reread old texts likethey're screenplays for your
next scene.
No, I don't do that.
No.
In fact, you'll be lucky if Iread your text to begin with.
You'll be like, if you got aresponse.
Most of my responses these days,if they're not in my immediate
circle are just thumbs up orsometimes I put the sideways
smile to really confuse people.
Sometimes I'll just send back asunflower.
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Just a magician.
Just a rabbit.
Like when people ask me, are youcoming to this?
I'm just gonna put like acarrot.
They're like, what does thismean?
You have a getting ready routinethat includes music, dancing,
and pep talks.
100% and this is because I'mmore of an introvert than an
extrovert.
So I think you'd have maincharacter energy, regardless of
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your introvert extrovert statusbut as an introvert, I have to
hype myself up.
Because I said yes at a pointwhere I was excited to go, and
there was a whole, there'sprobably caffeine involved.
It was a whole thing, you know,I was just really into it.
It sounded great at the time.
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And now that it's here, Iabsolutely am dreading leaving
my house.
That's hilarious, I think that'svery relatable.
You mentally assign people inyour life to roles: sidekick,
love interest, antagonist.
No, I'm not a psychopath.
No, this is taking drama to awhole new level.
Yeah.
That's this.
Do people actually do this.
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Crazy.
Is this a thing?
I'm pretty sure, not theantagonist part, but I feel like
for sure they like title itdifferently.
Maybe that's newer generations'cause I feel like the
equivalent for me would've beenlike, oh yeah, that's my ride or
die.
I don't even think I used BFFlike ever.
I have a humorous take on likemy inner circle and I call it my
MySpace top five and thenthere's my MySpace top 10.
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If you didn't make that list,then you're a background
character.
Yeah.
You're just man who walks withtray?
You narrate your walk throughthe airport like it's a travel
vlog.
That's just travel anxiety.
Please let me not be sittingnext to someone who's awful.
Or fall asleep on you and lay onyour shoulder over and over.
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So the flight attendant has tocome and keep continuing to pick
up their head and turn them inthe other direction.
That's super weird.
That's never happened to me.
That has happened.
And that is so weird to me, I'drather fall asleep forward.
That's why you have to have RBF.
Resting"b" face is like acritical component to existing
in this world as a woman, itmight be one of your best tools,
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okay.
I used it yesterday notintentionally, but I was at an
event, like a music concert.
And these people came in waylate, like, why are you even
here late?
Yeah.
And they stopped and the person,the woman looked at me directly
in the face and I think my facesaid, don't even ask.
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So she quickly turned around andwent to the row in front of us
and then asked them to slideover from their seat so that
they could sit.
Which was really annoying'causeit was very disruptive.
But I kind of laughed to myselfbecause I was like, yeah, I had
my, resting bitch face on forsure.
Either you're gonna crawl overor you're gonna go sit somewhere
else.
It really bothers me when peoplego to events at the very end.
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Yeah.
Why are you here?
Unless you're a parent and yourkids on the stage, then you
better, sit your ass down andpretend that you were there the
whole time.
But if you're not a parent andyou're just there and it's
performative, then you need togo home.
Yeah.
You stare dramatically out thewindow for no reason.
Just vibes.
Yeah.
I think we've established thatyou do this on a regular.
Every window, all the windows.
I do stare out the windowbecause I'm contemplating the
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existence of life.
I'm having an existentialmoment.
The last one?
You have an internal creditsreel for each day starring me.
Like a replay of yourself.
I think that's a very rarething.
No, I don't do this.
I think it's a creative spin,congratulations if you do this.
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So if any of the ones we wentthrough resonate with you, send
us your top three or add yourown.
Use hashtag Andi and Mich, maincharacter to share your moment.
Alright.
Let's get to my favorite part.
People watching, why do we feelso seen?
Okay, first and foremost, ispeople watching creepy or
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mysterious and insightful?
Does it make you a creepy personor just a intellectually curious
person?
I think context matters becausenow that I've thought about it
more.
Because initially we were like,no, it's totally fine.
We love to people watch.
I very much enjoy peoplewatching because I'm very
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curious, which is theprofessional way to say you're
nosy.
But I'm very curious about whatpeople talk about, what's going
on with people.
How they're experiencing lifeand each other.
And sometimes, listen, if you'retalking loud enough that I don't
even have to put any effort intohearing your conversation and
paying attention, then it's onyou, you invited me in.
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You pulled up a seat and youwere like, here you go, sit
down, watch the show, we hopeyou enjoy.
As long as it's not fixation andit's just from a place of
curiosity and wonder, then yeahit's super cool.
I love people watching.
It's one of my favoritepastimes.
I'll spend five hours with youpeople watching.
Yeah.
I love people watching it.
Like Disneyland or like busyplaces.
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I could see that there's a lotgoing on.
Oh, there's so much going on.
I like doing like cafes and likemetropolitan cities.
Oh, you get the cheaters.
Where you can clearly see thatthey're cheating.
And then they make out reallyhard in the parking lot and then
get in separate cars and driveaway.
People watching, I'm trying tounderstand how this relates to
main character energy.
It kind of relates to the factthat like when you have that
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level of confidence and you'reokay being out and about by
yourself.
That you probably engage in alot of people watching because
you're just curious about what'shappening in the moment.
You know, and you're just payingattention to things around you.
Yeah.
I think it's because like wesaid earlier, a lot of people
who have main character energytend to be really interested in
others.
And so I think people watchingtends to like allow you to be
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inquisitive about human naturein general and have like an
open-mindedness.
When we're talking about peoplewatching, at first, when you're
like really observant, it cansound like you're judging
people, but in reality you'rejust observing them.
I mean, you might have a littlejudgment here and there, but for
the most part, for me, I'm justobserving.
Like I'm fascinated most of thetime.
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How people interact anddynamics.
That's also creative brains too'cause we like to make up full
backstories.
That's part of it too.
What about being the observedversus being the observer?
I think as long as it's notfixation or it's not
intimidation, it's fine.
Like if someone's observing meand they're observing my
friends, I don't take itpersonally and I don't care.
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But if there's some maybe alittle intention behind their
observation, it can get realcreepy real fast.
Mm-hmm.
And I also think that as apeople watcher, I know when to
stop looking.
But they might just be watchingyou because of that vibe you're
giving off that powerful energythat's filling the room.
But I'm never like sitting in itand like, yeah, you're watching
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me because I'm freaking cool.
Yeah, I think you can, I thinkyou can feel the vibe from the
other person too.
Are they giving off that energyor not?
This is just the street in methat I'm like.
What are you looking at?
Mind, your business?
This is coming from someone whoalso likes to people watch.
So yes.
I am contradictory in that Idon't like people to watch me,
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but I am okay with payingattention to other people.
You like being the observer.
Not the observed.
Yeah.
Most of the time you don't existto me unless I'm observing you.
What about instances where maybeyour vibe is high, like you're
vibing real high and you walk insomewhere, let's say a coffee
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shop, since we love to talkabout coffee and someone's
observing you because theynotice and they're like really
intrigued.
And you know, you've clockedthat they clocked you.
And now you're awkward, likeyour face starts twitching.
That's anxiety.
And then you're like, what faceam I making right now?
And are they still payingattention because I look crazy?
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Or you fumble, you dropsomething like it's a whole
thing.
Yeah.
Because they can cause anxietyif you're not ready to engage
with people.
Yeah.
But now it's thrown off yourmain character energy.
Your funky energy is funkifyingmine, you're funkifying me bro.
You need to redirect that gaze.
The Gen X and me is like,whatcha looking at?
You need to mind your business.
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You need to ponder over yonder,my friend.
Take your three pump caramel,macchiato, soy latte and get.
It just depends.
What I've noticed is like whenpeople, watch for too long, they
will get intimidated.
All they're seeing is thatyou're non-reactive externally,
and so they'll either move tothe next step, which is
engagement.
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They try to make a connection atsome point, and if they don't,
they will nervously look away atsome point.
Or look at at the phone.
People use phones now a lot tokind of break that.
Oh no, not me.
Just checking Facebook.
Oh, while that's old, right?
TikTok, whatever.
Just checking my Facebook.
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Counting my Facebook friends.
I was just on my Facebook, theyfound five old friends.
So this brings us to the nextquestion.
Is being watched a sign ofpower?
Or vulnerability?
Being watched?
Yeah, like if somebody'swatching you.
It depends if the person iswatching you as a serial killer.
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I agree and so they might betesting for vulnerability, which
be aware of your space'cause ifyou make eye contact back,
that's a sign that you are notas vulnerable as they think you
are.
Oh, this is a huge thing.
As somebody who watches a lot ofthose kind of TV shows and a lot
of those kind of podcasts makethe eye contact.
Yes, even if it's uncomfortable,and don't look away fast.
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Especially if someone feels likethey are coming with their
energy from a place of power.
And that usually feels likeaggressive energy, intense,
uncomfortable energy.
An acting practice is to lookeither between their eyes or to
directly to the right of theireyes.
Or their eyebrows.
But from a distance, if they'refar enough, they're not gonna
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notice.
They're gonna think you'relooking them dead in the eye,
like in the wild.
Like, one of my favoritecomedians, Angela Johnson, she
says, you have to make yourselfbig.
So like a bear.
You show your teeth I think itcan be a sign of power if the
context makes sense for it,right?
That like, people are sensingthat you're standing in your
power because you're entering aroom or you're in a space that
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you feel confident in.
And that's radiating outward andthat's gonna attract attention.
People typically aren't reallylooking at you if they're
sensing vulnerability.
I don't think that attracts thesame kind of attention unless it
is a serial killer or somebodywho's looking for that?
Or like a manipulative person.
I agree.
I think because vulnerabilitycan be powered in the right
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spaces, but that's usually likein private interactions with
people you trust.
It's very seldom that you'regonna see it on a public stage.
And if it's happening andsomebody's like,"oh, this is a
perfect time to make a friend"you gotta be really weary of
that person.
Yeah.
But anyway, trauma or just theplot.
Every main character needs aturning point but are we just
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glamorizing struggle when wetalk about this.
So, we've already differentiatedbetween the difference of what
it looks like to be in your maincharacter energy, authentically.
Versus the aesthetic parts ofbeing in your main character
energy.
And even going through thosepoints earlier, it was pretty
clear that there's a bigdifferentiation.
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In how people use it, the termmain character energy.
I think the way that we'retrying to reframe it is it's a
positive thing in that when youhave main character energy, it's
actually super beneficial to youand everyone around you.
Because it serves people welland it serves you well.
And I think it can be a reallypowerful kind of energy to walk
into a room with.
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But there is like that partwhere it's like you need to know
whether or not it's authenticand that comes from your gut.
You can just tell, trust yourgut.
Sometimes people are really goodactors, especially in LA and New
York.
Yeah.
Big cities.
Just gotta be aware that noteveryone who is capable of
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channeling that kind of energyis coming from a good space if
it's inauthentic, but usually ifthey're announcing it, that's
like a huge red flag to me.
To me, you just told me you'reso insecure.
Yeah, it just is.
It's like cool people, theydon't walk around saying, I'm so
cool.
No, it's just a vibe.
Yeah, you gotta be able todifferentiate from real
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transformation versus like amanufactured glow up.
Let's, really try to avoid thedrama of like being stuck in the
turning point.
Or being stuck in the struggle,or being stuck in the quote
unquote sad girl era.
In every story that we watched,right?
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Every movie there's a plot twistand there's like this dramatic
downfall of the main character.
Yeah.
Who then has to rise again.
The character arc.
And that doesn't mean that wedon't do that in real life, but
let's not make it dramatic.
Don't lean into main characterenergy inauthentically from a
place of wanting to kind of getattention from it.
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You totally touched on it.
The social media piece wherepeople are really putting out on
their.
Grid, all of this main characterenergy, right?
And they're like showcasing it.
And then they also are showingyou that dramatic turning point
where they're crying on socialmedia.
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That's a lot.
It's very rare that I've watchedone where I'm like, wow, that's
pretty, that's pretty real andhonest.
Those exist, but they're few andfar between.
I agree with that, one time thisgirl was gonna lose her coffee
shop, it went viral.
She cried really hard.
She worked like so hard for thisshop, and she's like, I don't
know what to do.
And that was authentic, she waspanicking.
And she was a Puerto Rican girltoo.
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That's the reason why I watchedit.
Puerto Rico.
What?
And yeah, a bunch of people,famous people, people from all
over New York started showing,showing up to her coffee shop
and they saved her coffee shop.
That's cool.
That was an authentic call outto the community for support
through her community.
Yeah, versus like, some of thesepeople get on and they're
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telling these really dramaticstories and some of it feels
really, really scripted or like,for instance, on Secret Lives of
Mormon wives, one of the womendanced because her baby got
better.
Oh yeah, in the hospital.
And she said that was her way oflike showing, she was excited
about the baby gettinghealthier, and I had feelings
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when I saw that.
And I was like, that is not aprotective thing to do and that
really bothered me.
Yeah.
It's not appropriate.
Personally, I'm like, you'reusing the baby.
To get sympathy, likes,followers, and attention.
And maybe you don't see it inthe moment, and that's a growing
point for you.
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I don't think people need to bepersecuted for those things, but
also like it's kinda a littleicky.
Did you ever watch that movie?
Apple Cider Vinegar?
The TV show?
Yeah.
It was like a short TV showabout, the wellness influencers
based on a true story whoallegedly cured terminal brain
cancer through these practices.
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Then it kind of turned out thatit was like all a fraud, but she
did that a lot she went onsocial media a lot, and cried.
And then like, majority of hersocial media posts would be her
performatively showcasing thisstrong energy.
Like women's empowerment, healthand wellness.
And then she would go on therejust to gain sympathy, like some
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followers and cry and it's likefake vulnerability.
She was wild.
I would really recommend thatevery young person watches that
show.
Yeah.
And that's not, that's not whatmain character energy is about.
No, that's like the opposite ofmain character energy.
Alright, so we're gonna throwsome statements out there.
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Again, these are commonstatements that people have
made, and we want you to thinkabout, is this main character
energy or is this just a menace?
Is it dramatic or is itdelusional?
She said she was in her PhoenixRising era after a bad date.
Dramatic, Delulu, or Maincharacter Energy?
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Yeah.
I think it's dramatic for sure.
Yeah I think it's a littledelusional.
I think it's okay to acknowledgewhen you have experienced
something you didn't like.
Not everything has to be like aplot twist.
Like it's okay to say like, thatwas a bad date and I do not feel
good about it, so now I'm gonnago home and eat some Chinese
food.
Yeah, it's okay to justexperience the moment, move
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through it, and then do what youdo best, that's good.
Okay, so he posted soft launchof my redemption arc with a gym
selfie.
Tell me more.
What this means is like somebodybroke up with you, you got
dissed, you got ghosted.
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And so you're feeling down,you're feeling down now, and
you're like, you know what?
I'm gonna focus on my summerbod.
And you're hoping that personsees.
And if they see it, you wantthem to know I am launching
myself into my redemption arc asa character.
Which means maybe I wasn't asolid 10, but gimme six months.
I'm gonna be a 7.5.
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You ain't ever seen it coming,that's what that means.
That's dramatic.
That is dramatic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She brought a ring light tobrunch just in case the lighting
wasn't giving.
Uh, yeah.
That's delulu.
Yeah.
Just enjoy your brunch for real.
She asked the DJ at a wedding toplay her personal heartbreak
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anthem during the couple's firstdance.
Kicked out of the wedding, worstfriend of the year award.
Delusional.
Like what?
Like these are real people'sexperiences, this is wild.
Oh, these are real people'sexperiences.
Oh, that's sad.
So back to the crying people,she posted a real crying softly
and captioned it.
Healing in real time.
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Dramatic.
I can't.
I definitely think our GenX andour millennials showing hard
right now.
Yeah.
In this segment.
You get two minutes to cry andthen you move on.
She wore sunglasses and a trenchcoat to Whole Foods at night.
Unless you're Angelina Jolie,you have no business wearing a
trench coat and sunglasses toWhole Foods at night.
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I would only do this if I waslike super drunk.
Well, that's a different, that'snot main character energy.
That's a different vibe.
She started a new Instagramaccount called at the main
character 2024.
Oh she's gonna just have theInstagram for the year?
It's one year, that's it.
He said cut the cameras during aheated group chat argument.
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That's a funny guy, I think youshould date him.
She updated her bio to say noteveryone gets to meet me in this
lifetime.
That's just a fact,statistically it's impossible.
Do you even know, do you evenknow how many people are on this
planet?
He proposed a toast to himselfat someone else's birthday
dinner.
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That's wild.
That's kind of hilarious.
But yeah, that's a littlecringy.
That's cringy and soself-centered.
But also kind of funny, if it'sa best friend doing it in a
prankster kind of way,hilarious.
She told her therapist, don'tworry, I've already processed
this in my notes app?
Andi, is this you?
No.
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I don't even know how to use thenotes app.
If I processed it with my dog,different but he can't share
that information.
He is your confidant.
Yeah, it's locked down.
He's keeping that forever.
He posted a blurry emotionalselfie and wrote,"You wouldn't
understand, none of you do."Emotionally concerning.
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They need us a wellness check.
Things that are posted onlineare very dramatic, so how much
of this is actually true?
Who knows?
But, none of this isencompassing the mindset of a
main character.
If people are doing things likethis and they're saying that
they're in their main characterenergy, these are good
indicators that they are not.
It's just you being you.
And being cool because you arecool, not because you have to
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proclaim it.
What's that Outkast song?
Ain't nobody dope as me, I'mjust so fresh and clean.
So fresh and so clean, clean.
You know, I saw the singer fromthe Outcasts.
It's just called Outcasts.
Andre 3000, I saw him.
Oh, really?
Recently?
Like two months ago If you don'tknow outcast, that's the main
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character energy.
They are just excellent at whatthey do.
In this moment you're, you areall about tapping into that main
character energy, what wouldchange for you?
That's such a important,powerful question depending on
where you are in life.
It it kind of lends to this ideaof like, what would you not be
afraid to do?
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Or how would you not be afraidto be seen?
Mm, ding, ding, ding, ding,ding, ding.
One of the things about beingtapped into yourself and being
connected to yourself is you'renot really too concerned with
the impressions that you'regiving to other people.
Mm-hmm.
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It's not like this prefabricatedperformance.
So if people wanna channel theirmain character, energy IRL,
without being cringe'cause wewent over a lot of really funny
cringe things.
What would you say are some ofthe tips that you would give
them?
I would say romanticize yourlife.
Not that, not just the idea ofyour life but yourself.
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It's okay to be like playful andto enjoy the things that you
enjoy and to just exist in it.
Without the fear of criticism,without the fear of other people
looking at you and maybe makingyou feel uncomfortable or they
don't understand it.
Just enjoy being you and it'sokay to have a soundtrack to
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some of the best moments.
If you don't have one, I'mconcerned for you.
Take a long car ride with yourperfect playlist.
Walk alone at the twilight hour?
Yes.
With your headphones in playinga melodic tuned.
Sit by your window anddramatically journal while it's
raining outside.
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What about you?
I think we hear this a lot,dress to impress or dress for
where you wanna be, where youwanna go in life.
And I say, dress for how youwanna feel.
It comes from the inside out,right?
So you gotta tap into thatinside part of this energetic
vibe, first and foremost, beforeit can be felt or radiated
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outward.
So how are you showing up forthe day?
Not only dress yourself and yourbody and your clothes, but dress
your attitude, dress yourenergy, dress everything about
you.
Choose how you want to be andwho you get to be.
When you go out in the world andyou wake up and you're ready to
tackle the day, that'll changeeverything.
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Whether you're walking to yourmailbox like it's the Met Gala
or healing like it's a montagescene.
Just know this, you are not toomuch, you're the whole damn
plot.
Go be iconic, bestie, andremember, yes, they are looking
at you.
Share this episode with yourfavorite CoStar, and tag us with
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your own hashtag main charactermoments.
Catch you next time.
Bye.
Bye.
Hello everybody.
Welcome back to Andi and Mich,where two sisters, two
generations, and one powerfulmain character moment at a time
come together.
Today we're diving into themagic and the mayhem of main
character energy.
That feeling when the worldpauses and you know the scene is
yours.
Is it attention seeking or is itdivine confidence?
(00:22):
Let's talk about the vibes, thesigns, and those moments when
you know the camera's on you,even if it's invisible.
So grab your cafecito and let'sdive in.
All right.
Y'all main character energy isthe topic.
We got into a conversation aboutmain character energy randomly.
Yeah.
(00:42):
And we decided why not turn itinto a podcast episode.
So, what does it mean when youhave main character energy?
Main character energy is whenyou carry yourself like the lead
in your own life story.
It's that confident magneticvibe where you walk into a room
like you belong there, makeeveryday moments, feel
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meaningful or cinematic and ownyour space without permission.
It does not mean that you arebeing self-absorbed but it does
mean treating your life like itmatters and showing up like
you're worthy of attention,love, and good things.
I think main character energy isall about confidence, so much so
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that you don't give a shit whenanybody else thinks of you.
That's a secret sauce.
Secret sauce.
You just get to a point whereyou don't care and you don't
care in a good way.
It's like, I don't care becauseit doesn't impact me.
I think when you do a lot ofwork to be at a good space in
terms of like emotionalwellness, mental wellness,
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health.
You can start to be the leadingperson in your own life and
remember that you're not justlike a side character that
things happen to.
A lot of the decisions that youmake and the people you allow
into your space really do impactthe direction of your life.
When you're really comfortablein yourself and like you really
know who you are.
Mm-hmm.
You can just walk into a spaceand it's just an energy though,
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literally emits off of you.
And people feel it.
It has an impact.
I think it's crazy how many ofus, especially women, have not
really embraced our maincharacter energy.
Many of us and this is societal,like we've been taught not to,
we've been taught to be thesidekick and to take a backseat
to other people.
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Even with all the stuff outthere in popular culture about
wellness and using your voice.
People are still not practicinglike main character energy,
they're not fully stepping intoit.
And I think some people areusing the term but not actually
living up to what that means.
You can tell the differencebetween someone who is in their
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main character energy and it'sgenuine.
Mm-hmm.
All the messy and the good bitsthat make them so fun and
interesting.
Mm-hmm.
You can tell when it feelsphony.
There's always like a coolnessto them.
Like they're usually real chillthey have like a warm low key
vibe.
For the most part and they don'tmind taking up space.
Yeah, they walk in there withthis anchored understanding of
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like themselves and how theyimpact the spaces that they
enter.
It's okay for them to like allowyou to take the stage or take
the spotlight.
You know what I mean?
It's not a threat, I feel likeit just kind of is very natural
to them.
It depends on everyone'sindividual experiences, but I
feel like that's a commonexperience of like, feeling like
you don't belong in a space andso making yourself small in
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those spaces as a result, versuswalking in and being in those
spaces with main characterenergy is like, I have
confidence and I am telling youI belong here, I don't need you
to give me permission.
It's such a power move to, walkinto a space and just take
ownership of your belonging.
The person who's standing intheir main character energy is
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like, kind, caring, thoughtfulof other people, right.
Like you said earlier, it's notall about the spotlight being on
them all of the time.
Versus the latter is all aboutego and I need to be seen and I
need to be the center ofattention and I'm gonna be over
the top to claim my space.
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I totally agree there's a warmthto it.
That whole main characterenergy, it's not charming.
Right, there's like conflationwith like main character energy
and being able to just charmeveryone in the room.
They can just hold space forothers, and then when you ask
them questions, there's adiscernment to how they answer
the questions.
It's just people who aregenuinely themselves and it's
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really beautiful.
There's a negative connotationto having main character energy
because when you are in a badmood, the whole room will shift.
Yeah'cause energy is powerful.
The vibe that you bring into aspace really matters more than
anything.
I remember years ago, one of myfirst jobs, one of the tasks
they gave me was like planningevents.
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And I would have to callcustomers and invite them to
events.
And one of the things that theywould always say to us is, if
you smile you can hear it overthe phone.
The way you carry yourself, theway you're sitting, the energy
that you have, over the phonematters'cause it comes through.
And I think that was a veryearly on life lesson around
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energy and how like our energycan shift.
Because somebody else is feelingthat, whether it's on the phone
or whether you're in a room fullof people.
Sometimes we don't realize howimpactful we really are to each
other as human beings.
Which also speaks to the powerwe have in our own lives, right?
Like when you can step into thatand even tapping into just a
little bit of your maincharacter energy, you can change
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everything for yourself.
Especially if you're leading agroup or you have to be in
charge of something, your energymatters because everybody's
gonna shift to meet you whereyou are.
And that's why if you're likereally good at tapping into that
main character energy.
Then you also have the abilityto bring people to your
energetic level.
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You can convert energy, i'mgonna take your bad energy and
I'm gonna raise it.
You also stop taking everythingpersonal.
Like if they're having a badday, usually we react because we
make it personal.
Oh, you're being mean to be,versus you're just having a bad
day and you're probably beingmean to everybody and it's
nothing personal.
It's about you, it's not aboutme.
But when you're in your maincharacter energy, you can be
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more empathetic and step backand be like, hmm, not gonna take
it personal hope, everythingturns around, good luck to you.
Yeah.
And that's where theself-awareness piece comes in.
Mm-hmm.
So how do you know you have maincharacter energy?
We're gonna go through a rollinglist of some main character
energy examples or some classicsigns.
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Listen ladies, this is aninvitation, you gotta step into
your main character energy someof us just need to dive in 100%.
Yeah, some people are justliving in it, like that's the
frequency they live in, andthat's it, 24 7/.
And some people, it's not somuch that it's like a frequency
that you live in, but you canchannel into it.
Yeah and for some of us, we justhave to learn'cause we've never
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fully embraced it and we'venever allowed ourselves to fully
live in that space.
Maybe we've been afraid of it orit's just is unfamiliar to us
but, we're still learning.
And it, and the only way tolearn is to start doing.
All right.
So what are some classic signsof main character energy?
People look when you walk in,not because of your looks.
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I mean, you look fabulous.
Congratulations, you're a gorge.
But it's because of your aura.
Yeah, we were talking aboutthis, and it's like, I don't
wanna be conceited, but everytime I walk into a space, people
look at me like, full on, lookat me.
They make eye contact with me.
There's a moment with strangersand it's all different kinds of
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people.
It's not like always one kind ofperson.
It's like children, adults, oldpeople, men, women, whoever.
Right.
And I was telling Mich.
Is that weird?
No.
And for the longest time I usedto think, oh my God, something
must be wrong with me.
Or there I look funny or myhair's messed up.
And then at some point I washaving a conversation with
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someone who I would considerlike a mentor.
And we started talking aboutlike this idea of like main
character energy.
We weren't calling it maincharacter energy but we were
talking about this concept.
And it clicked.
Cause she was like, your energyis very powerful.
Like when you're in a room,especially as a emerging leader
at the time and, in a leadershiprole in many of the things I do
now you step into that and youkind of almost have a control
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over certain spaces.
But she was like, your energy'svery powerful.
So when you walk into a room,people feel it and they notice
it, which means you're alreadytapping into that and you just
have to learn how to use it moreand use it for good.
But I used to think that peoplewould look at me because
something was wrong.
And usually that means thatyou're tapping into some of this
powerful energy.
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The the good old MCE Aura.
The good old mce aura.
Also, sometimes you're in yourMCE, you're like, yeah.
My main character energy is onfire.
And then you walk to your carand you look at yourself in the
mirror and you realize you havechocolate on the side of your
mouth from the chocolatecroisant you just ate before you
walked into the store and alsoyour lip tint looks crazy.
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You look like the Joker,although I will say usually if
I'm looking wild, I'm definitelynot in my main character energy,
i'm in my full blown ADHDspiral.
And I am very aware of thedifference between the two.
I think you could still be amain character who spirals.
In fact, most main characters dospiral.
We'll get to that.
So number two, you narrate yourlife in your head and sometimes
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out loud.
Dude, all the time.
Legit all the time.
I have like a narrator all thetime.
That's real.
I'm glad that I read thissomewhere at some point where it
says like, if you talk out loudto yourself, that's a sign of
intelligence.
Because I talk out loud tomyself a lot.
This is a lot how I processthings but I do narrate a lot of
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things in my head.
Like there's constant activitygoing on.
You know what's fascinating?
Some people hear their voicelike their own voice.
Some people hear like adifferent voice, like people
experience their internalnarration differently.
This is where I feel crazybecause I hear my voice when I'm
writing something.
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My inner knowing I like to referto it as is like sometimes it's
not my voice.
Did you give it like a persona?
I don't know.
Like your main character energyhas a persona, has a stage name.
It's me incognito.
Maybe you just assign acharacter a wise Helen Marin.
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See, I wouldn't want HelenMarin.
Don't hate on Helen Maron.
No, I love Helen.
She's amazing.
She's amazing.
But I feel like if it was awoman, I would want Viola Davis
in my head.
Yeah, love her too.
It sounded, that sounds reallyweird.
Viola Davis, can you narrate ourlives for us?
Please, and thank you.
We love you and we need yourwisdom.
Okay.
Have you ever narrated yourselfin like when you're really
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feeling yourself and you gosomewhere and maybe you like
walk into a cafe?
And you're like, wow, look at melike I am vibing, i'm feeling
good, everything is great.
Like if you catch yourself inthe mirror.
Yeah.
Like you look at yourself in themirror and you realize what your
inner narration is like hypingyou up.
It's like your hype man nowyou're hype woman.
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It's like you're, it's like thisDJ's best friend, always to the
left of them, like,"yeah, bro,you've got this." Well, no, I
just tell myself sometimes.
It's just your own voice.
Yeah.
It's just my own voice, it's notmy inner narrator.
Okay.
Your, main character, energy,you are romanticizing
everything, even Laundry Day hasa soundtrack.
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Uh, yeah.
And you have like, you go to thegrocery store, it's like a crazy
indie film moment for you, orit's a rainy day and you're
journaling and you have a wholehealing montage scene happening.
I like to drive when it rainsand play like really deep.
Dude, that's what this issaying.
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Like, you create a cozy indiefilm moment.
Yeah.
But it's very drama.
When I used to have to driveinto early in the mornings for
work.
Mm-hmm.
And it was all foggy.
Radiohead, I'm in it.
Did it go from a like a superhyped up deep indie film to when
you're driving home from work tojust a sad comedy?
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Just Johnny Cash.
I hurt myself today." That'sfunny.
It's okay.
We can do it through this.
I'll get to your dream, Ipromise.
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Yeah, i've had those momentswhere it just feels very
romanticized.
One of the other ones that Ifeel is very romanticized that I
do for myself now, shout out tomy really good friend that I've
been friends since for years.
If they ever hear this, they'llknow.
One of the things that he lovesto do for himself is he listens
to Paula Cole, Shania Twain,Sheryl Crow and so you'll just
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hear him like making pasta andthen you'll just hear,"come on
girls" and he starts seeing hispasta and he is like jamming
out.
One day I came home, I wasinspired by him and I put on
"where did all the cowboys go?"You just hear me jamming out
while I'm cooking and these arethings that I did for a long
time, and then I was likereinvigorated to do it again,
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and it was just like sopleasant.
Oh, I have a soundtrack toeverything I do in my life.
I know you do.
I've heard it.
If I could have music playing, Iwould do it.
I would walk around looking likea crazy person.
So I just keep most of it in myhead, which now that I said that
out loud also makes me soundlike a crazy person.
My favorite is your, Christmaspozole soundtrack.
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Yes.
I have a Christmas pozolesoundtrack'cause I throw down in
the kitchen during Christmas.
When we make breakfast, we playCelia Cruz and Mark Anthony and
it's like a whole party in themorning when we're cooking
breakfast.
And yeah, I have differentsoundtracks for different
things, so I, relate to this1000%.
I didn't realize that was metapping into my MCE.
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But it really is.
Wow.
That's what I'm saying.
For a while I would only likeallow myself to have my MCE
moments in private and then Istarted realizing I could just
do it wherever.
Sometimes I'm like doing mylaundry and then I'll put on
like screamo, emo music.
You know?
It serves a dual purpose, thatone because you get to get all
the anger out.
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So this next one, I don't, thisdoesn't really apply to me'cause
I'm not a big, perfume person,but I know you are.
Yes, Mich.
Main character energy folks havea signature scent.
Everyone knows when you've beenthere.
I haven't figured out what mysignature scent is or I don't
think anyone ever knows whereI've been.
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My goal is that no one knows Iwas there.
Yeah.
Like, I wanna be like a ninja inthe night.
Yeah, that's my goal as well.
Like, I wanna go and make areally fun, woo lasting little
impression and then disappear,batman.
Where the hell did she go?
Gone.
You can't follow the trail.
Dr.
Strange, all my favorite's Noscent to follow..
The worst is when you go into aroom and everybody's scented,
it's like too much.
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Instant migraine.
Yeah.
With main character energy, doyou dress like you might run
into your ex and your futuresoulmate?
No, I'm like hobosheek all thetime.
Sometimes like you said, youcatch yourself and you're like,
who is she?
If I'm getting ready I wannalike be good for me.
And that's what I think MCEreally is.
Yeah, I don't think it's this,this, to me sounds more
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performative.
Overthinking how you're gonnalook because of the attention
you might get from someone else.
But like in our fashionably lateepisode, which if you haven't
heard, you can go back to ourpage and listen to, fashion it's
really about feeling good.
Like you just put on an outfitand you feel good, that's the
MCE energy.
Number six, you give knowinglooks to imaginary cameras like
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the office.
Like you're the fourth wall.
Yeah, sometimes, not that I'mlike looking at looking for a
camera, but I'll just like pauseand kinda look off.
I think when I do it, I'm justchecked out If someone says
something off the wall or superunhinged, I'm like, okay, we're
done and I'm gone.
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Time for dissociation.
Dissociation.
It may look like I'm beingdramatic for that main character
energy moment, but it's not.
I left.
I'll be back shortly.
Oh man.
And now a word from oursponsors.
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It's not for everyone.
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But it might be for you.
Number seven, you walk slowerwhen you know someone's
watching.
No.
No.
Let's be honest, if I am in fullblown main character energy as
we're talking about it, I don'teven notice anybody around me.
If I'm being completely honest.
I'm just like, in the zone, youknow.
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Get in the zone, auto zone.
I'm not like walking throughlike a Hollywood movie star,
like high fiving people.
Yeah, I hope that would bedelulu.
Yeah but I do feel like whensomebody's staring at you, it
kind of messes up the vibe.
If someone is like dead watchingme and in a weird way, I will
start moving faster.
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Story time.
Gather up.
One time I went with a reallygood friend to go eat and the
guy sitting in the booth, wewere at a diner and the guy
sitting at the booth behind herwho was facing me.
Positioned his entire body tothe right to watch me eat.
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Which is bizarre.
Super bizarre.
Yeah.
And it's like have some personalboundaries.
I think he thought this wasflirting and I was like, this is
really fucking weird.
No, it's called stalking.
I've seen this on episode of"You" think.
Or National Geographic.
But I started to feel physicallyhot in my body, and then I
started eating faster and thenthe conversation started ending
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and my friend picked up on itand was like, what is going on?
I think some people just don'thave enough self-awareness and
they think that they're so cooland they're so attractive.
That they think you're gonnafeel the vibe.
What about, this does fall inline with main character energy
because of the drama that we'vealready established, goes along
with it sometimes.
You light candles beforejournaling.
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Like you are about to summonyour future.
I've never done this.
Have you ever done that?
Light a candle?
Yeah.
I love lighting candles.
This is you.
This is my vibe, yeah, I like agood soft light too.
I have a nice lamp.
I don't like candles that oftenbecause in, I don't know if this
is just part of aging.
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I have forgotten to turn off acandle and I was like, whoa.
Like a candle in the wind.
Number nine.
I feel like Mich has done thismain character energy.
You whisper, plot twist and I dofeel like you tell stories like
this all the time and it may bea millennial thing.
I don't know.
I have done this.
Oh my god.
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One time someone was gettinginto a fight with their now
ex-boyfriend.
And the boyfriend said somethingabout the girlfriend.
I'm hearing it on speakerphoneand I was like, plot twist.
And it just fired her up evenmore.
I know I shouldn't have, but Idid because it was a plot twist
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in real time.
Yes, I do this.
I'm gonna calm down now.
I dunno where all the energycame from.
You need to calm down.
The caffeine has kicked in.
So number 10, you've practiced aTED Talk for an event that
doesn't exist yet?
Never.
Well, it's like part of hypingyourself up and having goals,
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right?
Like eventually one day I mightbe winning an award, and so what
if I need to be prepared forthat?
Clearly Andi has done this.
Mind you, these are like themost common reasons that people
have given for main characterenergy.
And how they describe it orexperience it.
You take solo cafe dates andpretend you're being watched
from across the room.
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What if you're just beingwatched?
Well, I don't agree with howpeople are describing it.
But I do think there's somethingto, like, you're kind of aware
that at any point somebody mightbe watching you because
somebody's always watching.
And so maybe that is kind of howyou experience it with main
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character energy is like you'reso confident and comfortable
that you take yourself out andthat's totally fine with you.
I've done it a lot.
I actually really have enjoyedthose times just with myself.
But I've never pretended I'mbeing watched from across the
room.
I just feel maybe a little bitmore aware that people might be
paying attention to me becauseI'm sitting by myself.
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And you know, people would beshit talking.
Oh yeah, but you know whythey're talking shit, you know
why?
Why?
Because you are more interestingthan they are.
Yes.
And they're trying to figure outwhy am I there alone?
Am I a sociopath?
Dun, dun dun.
Am I just so confident that Ijust don't give a shit?
Now a word from our sponsors.
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You reenact arguments in theshower with perfect comebacks
all the time.
All the time but is that maincharacter energy or is that just
anxiety?
It's a little bit ofperfectionism, I think.
Yeah.
I don't necessarily think it'smain character energy'cause I
think main character energyyou're like kind of over it.
Okay, for people I care about,if it didn't go well, the
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conversation or the interaction.
I will look back at it and belike, I, am hard to like,
sometimes.
Oh, and if somebody sayssomething mean to me in the day,
in the shower when I'm likedecompressing and processing my
day, sometimes I'll be like,"ohyeah, well your hair's frizzy
bitch." That would've been agreat comeback.
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Well, you're like eight hourstoo late.
I think sometimes I do it justbecause I wanna learn from it so
that if I was ever in thatsituation again, I would respond
better or feel more prepared andconfident.
Yes, I like that.
That's good, i'm gonna takethat, that's my answer.
You can't have it, it's mine.
You believe your pet is youremotional support coStar.
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They're your biggest fan.
That's why they don't want youto use the restroom without
them, because if you die,they'll never forgive
themselves.
I love that With my dog who islike over a decade years old, I
can just put my hands out, likeboth my hands out, like my arms
out to him and he'll immediatelycome over.
Mm-hmm.
And he knows what it means.
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It's like we need to snuggle, weneed an emotional moment
together.
Yeah.
And he'll come over with suchsoftness, like he doesn't run
into me he just very softly putshis head in my hands and then he
kind of give you a little hug.
Meanwhile, my emotional supportco-star will bulldoze into you
full speed.
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Like a potential concussioncoming your way.
Yeah.
And his way that he doesn't carecause that's how much he loves
you.
You treat your therapist likeyour mentor in a coming of age
movie.
I'm not in therapy right now,so, no.
Not right now, but maybe later.
I'll put a pin in that one.
I've treated them as atherapist.
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Yeah, same.
I think the main character,energy vibe of that is like, I'm
comfortable going to therapy andtalking about it and letting my
therapist be the therapist.
Doing their job, yeah.
I think also a good, maincharacter energy vibe is that
you can also differentiatebetween a good therapist and
somebody that's blowing smoke upthe butt.
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Mm-hmm.
You can just tell if they knowwhat they're talking about and
if it's a good fit for you.
And if it's not, you'recomfortable with saying, I don't
think this is gonna work out.
I need somebody that's actuallygonna challenge me.
Yeah.
And, understands my lifeexperience and can actually help
me navigate my life experience.
Yeah, I don't know if this ismain character energy or
arrogance, but every time I havehad a therapist or a coach or a
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mentor, I'm very clear with themthat I have high expectations of
them.
Mm-hmm.
Because I am difficult.
I'm challenging.
I will challenge you.
I will be stubborn.
I will not listen to anythingthat you tell me because I think
I know better than you, 100%.
Well, you answered your ownquestion.
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But you know, it's like Ilearned to speak up and be
honest in that way because I'mowning that vibe that I have.
I wanna be in charge and I willcontinue to push you because of
it.
And I'm also trained in the samearea.
And it's not because you are notgood at your job, it's just
because that's my thing.
You wanna be confident in thefact that you are going to trust
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the process and you wanna ensurethat they are competent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if they can't respond tothat, then they can't be my
therapist.
Not just anybody can be WonderWoman's Therapist, you know what
I'm saying?
Oh my gosh, thats arrogance.
I like to straddle the lineagain.
I like to push boundaries.
So you know.
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You reread old texts likethey're screenplays for your
next scene.
No, I don't do that.
No.
In fact, you'll be lucky if Iread your text to begin with.
You'll be like, if you got aresponse.
Most of my responses these days,if they're not in my immediate
circle are just thumbs up orsometimes I put the sideways
smile to really confuse people.
Sometimes I'll just send back asunflower.
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Just a magician.
Just a rabbit.
Like when people ask me, are youcoming to this?
I'm just gonna put like acarrot.
They're like, what does thismean?
You have a getting ready routinethat includes music, dancing,
and pep talks.
100% and this is because I'mmore of an introvert than an
extrovert.
So I think you'd have maincharacter energy, regardless of
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your introvert extrovert statusbut as an introvert, I have to
hype myself up.
Because I said yes at a pointwhere I was excited to go, and
there was a whole, there'sprobably caffeine involved.
It was a whole thing, you know,I was just really into it.
It sounded great at the time.
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And now that it's here, Iabsolutely am dreading leaving
my house.
That's hilarious, I think that'svery relatable.
You mentally assign people inyour life to roles: sidekick,
love interest, antagonist.
No, I'm not a psychopath.
No, this is taking drama to awhole new level.
Yeah.
That's this.
Do people actually do this.
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Crazy.
Is this a thing?
I'm pretty sure, not theantagonist part, but I feel like
for sure they like title itdifferently.
Maybe that's newer generations'cause I feel like the
equivalent for me would've beenlike, oh yeah, that's my ride or
die.
I don't even think I used BFFlike ever.
I have a humorous take on likemy inner circle and I call it my
MySpace top five and thenthere's my MySpace top 10.
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If you didn't make that list,then you're a background
character.
Yeah.
You're just man who walks withtray?
You narrate your walk throughthe airport like it's a travel
vlog.
That's just travel anxiety.
Please let me not be sittingnext to someone who's awful.
Or fall asleep on you and lay onyour shoulder over and over.
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So the flight attendant has tocome and keep continuing to pick
up their head and turn them inthe other direction.
That's super weird.
That's never happened to me.
That has happened.
And that is so weird to me, I'drather fall asleep forward.
That's why you have to have RBF.
Resting"b" face is like acritical component to existing
in this world as a woman, itmight be one of your best tools,
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okay.
I used it yesterday notintentionally, but I was at an
event, like a music concert.
And these people came in waylate, like, why are you even
here late?
Yeah.
And they stopped and the person,the woman looked at me directly
in the face and I think my facesaid, don't even ask.
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So she quickly turned around andwent to the row in front of us
and then asked them to slideover from their seat so that
they could sit.
Which was really annoying'causeit was very disruptive.
But I kind of laughed to myselfbecause I was like, yeah, I had
my, resting bitch face on forsure.
Either you're gonna crawl overor you're gonna go sit somewhere
else.
It really bothers me when peoplego to events at the very end.
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Yeah.
Why are you here?
Unless you're a parent and yourkids on the stage, then you
better, sit your ass down andpretend that you were there the
whole time.
But if you're not a parent andyou're just there and it's
performative, then you need togo home.
Yeah.
You stare dramatically out thewindow for no reason.
Just vibes.
Yeah.
I think we've established thatyou do this on a regular.
Every window, all the windows.
I do stare out the windowbecause I'm contemplating the
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existence of life.
I'm having an existentialmoment.
The last one?
You have an internal creditsreel for each day starring me.
Like a replay of yourself.
I think that's a very rarething.
No, I don't do this.
I think it's a creative spin,congratulations if you do this.
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So if any of the ones we wentthrough resonate with you, send
us your top three or add yourown.
Use hashtag Andi and Mich, maincharacter to share your moment.
Alright.
Let's get to my favorite part.
People watching, why do we feelso seen?
Okay, first and foremost, ispeople watching creepy or
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mysterious and insightful?
Does it make you a creepy personor just a intellectually curious
person?
I think context matters becausenow that I've thought about it
more.
Because initially we were like,no, it's totally fine.
We love to people watch.
I very much enjoy peoplewatching because I'm very
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curious, which is theprofessional way to say you're
nosy.
But I'm very curious about whatpeople talk about, what's going
on with people.
How they're experiencing lifeand each other.
And sometimes, listen, if you'retalking loud enough that I don't
even have to put any effort intohearing your conversation and
paying attention, then it's onyou, you invited me in.
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You pulled up a seat and youwere like, here you go, sit
down, watch the show, we hopeyou enjoy.
As long as it's not fixation andit's just from a place of
curiosity and wonder, then yeahit's super cool.
I love people watching.
It's one of my favoritepastimes.
I'll spend five hours with youpeople watching.
Yeah.
I love people watching it.
Like Disneyland or like busyplaces.
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I could see that there's a lotgoing on.
Oh, there's so much going on.
I like doing like cafes and likemetropolitan cities.
Oh, you get the cheaters.
Where you can clearly see thatthey're cheating.
And then they make out reallyhard in the parking lot and then
get in separate cars and driveaway.
People watching, I'm trying tounderstand how this relates to
main character energy.
It kind of relates to the factthat like when you have that
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level of confidence and you'reokay being out and about by
yourself.
That you probably engage in alot of people watching because
you're just curious about what'shappening in the moment.
You know, and you're just payingattention to things around you.
Yeah.
I think it's because like wesaid earlier, a lot of people
who have main character energytend to be really interested in
others.
And so I think people watchingtends to like allow you to be
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inquisitive about human naturein general and have like an
open-mindedness.
When we're talking about peoplewatching, at first, when you're
like really observant, it cansound like you're judging
people, but in reality you'rejust observing them.
I mean, you might have a littlejudgment here and there, but for
the most part, for me, I'm justobserving.
Like I'm fascinated most of thetime.
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How people interact anddynamics.
That's also creative brains too'cause we like to make up full
backstories.
That's part of it too.
What about being the observedversus being the observer?
I think as long as it's notfixation or it's not
intimidation, it's fine.
Like if someone's observing meand they're observing my
friends, I don't take itpersonally and I don't care.
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But if there's some maybe alittle intention behind their
observation, it can get realcreepy real fast.
Mm-hmm.
And I also think that as apeople watcher, I know when to
stop looking.
But they might just be watchingyou because of that vibe you're
giving off that powerful energythat's filling the room.
But I'm never like sitting in itand like, yeah, you're watching
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me because I'm freaking cool.
Yeah, I think you can, I thinkyou can feel the vibe from the
other person too.
Are they giving off that energyor not?
This is just the street in methat I'm like.
What are you looking at?
Mind, your business?
This is coming from someone whoalso likes to people watch.
So yes.
I am contradictory in that Idon't like people to watch me,
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but I am okay with payingattention to other people.
You like being the observer.
Not the observed.
Yeah.
Most of the time you don't existto me unless I'm observing you.
What about instances where maybeyour vibe is high, like you're
vibing real high and you walk insomewhere, let's say a coffee
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shop, since we love to talkabout coffee and someone's
observing you because theynotice and they're like really
intrigued.
And you know, you've clockedthat they clocked you.
And now you're awkward, likeyour face starts twitching.
That's anxiety.
And then you're like, what faceam I making right now?
And are they still payingattention because I look crazy?
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Or you fumble, you dropsomething like it's a whole
thing.
Yeah.
Because they can cause anxietyif you're not ready to engage
with people.
Yeah.
But now it's thrown off yourmain character energy.
Your funky energy is funkifyingmine, you're funkifying me bro.
You need to redirect that gaze.
The Gen X and me is like,whatcha looking at?
You need to mind your business.
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You need to ponder over yonder,my friend.
Take your three pump caramel,macchiato, soy latte and get.
It just depends.
What I've noticed is like whenpeople, watch for too long, they
will get intimidated.
All they're seeing is thatyou're non-reactive externally,
and so they'll either move tothe next step, which is
engagement.
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They try to make a connection atsome point, and if they don't,
they will nervously look away atsome point.
Or look at at the phone.
People use phones now a lot tokind of break that.
Oh no, not me.
Just checking Facebook.
Oh, while that's old, right?
TikTok, whatever.
Just checking my Facebook.
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Counting my Facebook friends.
I was just on my Facebook, theyfound five old friends.
So this brings us to the nextquestion.
Is being watched a sign ofpower?
Or vulnerability?
Being watched?
Yeah, like if somebody'swatching you.
It depends if the person iswatching you as a serial killer.
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I agree and so they might betesting for vulnerability, which
be aware of your space'cause ifyou make eye contact back,
that's a sign that you are notas vulnerable as they think you
are.
Oh, this is a huge thing.
As somebody who watches a lot ofthose kind of TV shows and a lot
of those kind of podcasts makethe eye contact.
Yes, even if it's uncomfortable,and don't look away fast.
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Especially if someone feels likethey are coming with their
energy from a place of power.
And that usually feels likeaggressive energy, intense,
uncomfortable energy.
An acting practice is to lookeither between their eyes or to
directly to the right of theireyes.
Or their eyebrows.
But from a distance, if they'refar enough, they're not gonna
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notice.
They're gonna think you'relooking them dead in the eye,
like in the wild.
Like, one of my favoritecomedians, Angela Johnson, she
says, you have to make yourselfbig.
So like a bear.
You show your teeth I think itcan be a sign of power if the
context makes sense for it,right?
That like, people are sensingthat you're standing in your
power because you're entering aroom or you're in a space that
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you feel confident in.
And that's radiating outward andthat's gonna attract attention.
People typically aren't reallylooking at you if they're
sensing vulnerability.
I don't think that attracts thesame kind of attention unless it
is a serial killer or somebodywho's looking for that?
Or like a manipulative person.
I agree.
I think because vulnerabilitycan be powered in the right
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spaces, but that's usually likein private interactions with
people you trust.
It's very seldom that you'regonna see it on a public stage.
And if it's happening andsomebody's like,"oh, this is a
perfect time to make a friend"you gotta be really weary of
that person.
Yeah.
But anyway, trauma or just theplot.
Every main character needs aturning point but are we just
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glamorizing struggle when wetalk about this.
So, we've already differentiatedbetween the difference of what
it looks like to be in your maincharacter energy, authentically.
Versus the aesthetic parts ofbeing in your main character
energy.
And even going through thosepoints earlier, it was pretty
clear that there's a bigdifferentiation.
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In how people use it, the termmain character energy.
I think the way that we'retrying to reframe it is it's a
positive thing in that when youhave main character energy, it's
actually super beneficial to youand everyone around you.
Because it serves people welland it serves you well.
And I think it can be a reallypowerful kind of energy to walk
into a room with.
(37:58):
But there is like that partwhere it's like you need to know
whether or not it's authenticand that comes from your gut.
You can just tell, trust yourgut.
Sometimes people are really goodactors, especially in LA and New
York.
Yeah.
Big cities.
Just gotta be aware that noteveryone who is capable of
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channeling that kind of energyis coming from a good space if
it's inauthentic, but usually ifthey're announcing it, that's
like a huge red flag to me.
To me, you just told me you'reso insecure.
Yeah, it just is.
It's like cool people, theydon't walk around saying, I'm so
cool.
No, it's just a vibe.
Yeah, you gotta be able todifferentiate from real
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transformation versus like amanufactured glow up.
Let's, really try to avoid thedrama of like being stuck in the
turning point.
Or being stuck in the struggle,or being stuck in the quote
unquote sad girl era.
In every story that we watched,right?
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Every movie there's a plot twistand there's like this dramatic
downfall of the main character.
Yeah.
Who then has to rise again.
The character arc.
And that doesn't mean that wedon't do that in real life, but
let's not make it dramatic.
Don't lean into main characterenergy inauthentically from a
place of wanting to kind of getattention from it.
(39:25):
You totally touched on it.
The social media piece wherepeople are really putting out on
their.
Grid, all of this main characterenergy, right?
And they're like showcasing it.
And then they also are showingyou that dramatic turning point
where they're crying on socialmedia.
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That's a lot.
It's very rare that I've watchedone where I'm like, wow, that's
pretty, that's pretty real andhonest.
Those exist, but they're few andfar between.
I agree with that, one time thisgirl was gonna lose her coffee
shop, it went viral.
She cried really hard.
She worked like so hard for thisshop, and she's like, I don't
know what to do.
And that was authentic, she waspanicking.
And she was a Puerto Rican girltoo.
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That's the reason why I watchedit.
Puerto Rico.
What?
And yeah, a bunch of people,famous people, people from all
over New York started showing,showing up to her coffee shop
and they saved her coffee shop.
That's cool.
That was an authentic call outto the community for support
through her community.
Yeah, versus like, some of thesepeople get on and they're
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telling these really dramaticstories and some of it feels
really, really scripted or like,for instance, on Secret Lives of
Mormon wives, one of the womendanced because her baby got
better.
Oh yeah, in the hospital.
And she said that was her way oflike showing, she was excited
about the baby gettinghealthier, and I had feelings
(40:51):
when I saw that.
And I was like, that is not aprotective thing to do and that
really bothered me.
Yeah.
It's not appropriate.
Personally, I'm like, you'reusing the baby.
To get sympathy, likes,followers, and attention.
And maybe you don't see it inthe moment, and that's a growing
point for you.
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I don't think people need to bepersecuted for those things, but
also like it's kinda a littleicky.
Did you ever watch that movie?
Apple Cider Vinegar?
The TV show?
Yeah.
It was like a short TV showabout, the wellness influencers
based on a true story whoallegedly cured terminal brain
cancer through these practices.
(41:32):
Then it kind of turned out thatit was like all a fraud, but she
did that a lot she went onsocial media a lot, and cried.
And then like, majority of hersocial media posts would be her
performatively showcasing thisstrong energy.
Like women's empowerment, healthand wellness.
And then she would go on therejust to gain sympathy, like some
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followers and cry and it's likefake vulnerability.
She was wild.
I would really recommend thatevery young person watches that
show.
Yeah.
And that's not, that's not whatmain character energy is about.
No, that's like the opposite ofmain character energy.
Alright, so we're gonna throwsome statements out there.
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Again, these are commonstatements that people have
made, and we want you to thinkabout, is this main character
energy or is this just a menace?
Is it dramatic or is itdelusional?
She said she was in her PhoenixRising era after a bad date.
Dramatic, Delulu, or Maincharacter Energy?
(42:41):
Yeah.
I think it's dramatic for sure.
Yeah I think it's a littledelusional.
I think it's okay to acknowledgewhen you have experienced
something you didn't like.
Not everything has to be like aplot twist.
Like it's okay to say like, thatwas a bad date and I do not feel
good about it, so now I'm gonnago home and eat some Chinese
food.
Yeah, it's okay to justexperience the moment, move
(43:02):
through it, and then do what youdo best, that's good.
Okay, so he posted soft launchof my redemption arc with a gym
selfie.
Tell me more.
What this means is like somebodybroke up with you, you got
dissed, you got ghosted.
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And so you're feeling down,you're feeling down now, and
you're like, you know what?
I'm gonna focus on my summerbod.
And you're hoping that personsees.
And if they see it, you wantthem to know I am launching
myself into my redemption arc asa character.
Which means maybe I wasn't asolid 10, but gimme six months.
I'm gonna be a 7.5.
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You ain't ever seen it coming,that's what that means.
That's dramatic.
That is dramatic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She brought a ring light tobrunch just in case the lighting
wasn't giving.
Uh, yeah.
That's delulu.
Yeah.
Just enjoy your brunch for real.
She asked the DJ at a wedding toplay her personal heartbreak
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anthem during the couple's firstdance.
Kicked out of the wedding, worstfriend of the year award.
Delusional.
Like what?
Like these are real people'sexperiences, this is wild.
Oh, these are real people'sexperiences.
Oh, that's sad.
So back to the crying people,she posted a real crying softly
and captioned it.
Healing in real time.
(44:28):
Dramatic.
I can't.
I definitely think our GenX andour millennials showing hard
right now.
Yeah.
In this segment.
You get two minutes to cry andthen you move on.
She wore sunglasses and a trenchcoat to Whole Foods at night.
Unless you're Angelina Jolie,you have no business wearing a
trench coat and sunglasses toWhole Foods at night.
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I would only do this if I waslike super drunk.
Well, that's a different, that'snot main character energy.
That's a different vibe.
She started a new Instagramaccount called at the main
character 2024.
Oh she's gonna just have theInstagram for the year?
It's one year, that's it.
He said cut the cameras during aheated group chat argument.
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That's a funny guy, I think youshould date him.
She updated her bio to say noteveryone gets to meet me in this
lifetime.
That's just a fact,statistically it's impossible.
Do you even know, do you evenknow how many people are on this
planet?
He proposed a toast to himselfat someone else's birthday
dinner.
(45:34):
That's wild.
That's kind of hilarious.
But yeah, that's a littlecringy.
That's cringy and soself-centered.
But also kind of funny, if it'sa best friend doing it in a
prankster kind of way,hilarious.
She told her therapist, don'tworry, I've already processed
this in my notes app?
Andi, is this you?
No.
(45:55):
I don't even know how to use thenotes app.
If I processed it with my dog,different but he can't share
that information.
He is your confidant.
Yeah, it's locked down.
He's keeping that forever.
He posted a blurry emotionalselfie and wrote,"You wouldn't
understand, none of you do."Emotionally concerning.
(46:15):
They need us a wellness check.
Things that are posted onlineare very dramatic, so how much
of this is actually true?
Who knows?
But, none of this isencompassing the mindset of a
main character.
If people are doing things likethis and they're saying that
they're in their main characterenergy, these are good
indicators that they are not.
It's just you being you.
And being cool because you arecool, not because you have to
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proclaim it.
What's that Outkast song?
Ain't nobody dope as me, I'mjust so fresh and clean.
So fresh and so clean, clean.
You know, I saw the singer fromthe Outcasts.
It's just called Outcasts.
Andre 3000, I saw him.
Oh, really?
Recently?
Like two months ago If you don'tknow outcast, that's the main
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character energy.
They are just excellent at whatthey do.
In this moment you're, you areall about tapping into that main
character energy, what wouldchange for you?
That's such a important,powerful question depending on
where you are in life.
It it kind of lends to this ideaof like, what would you not be
afraid to do?
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Or how would you not be afraidto be seen?
Mm, ding, ding, ding, ding,ding, ding.
One of the things about beingtapped into yourself and being
connected to yourself is you'renot really too concerned with
the impressions that you'regiving to other people.
Mm-hmm.
(47:38):
It's not like this prefabricatedperformance.
So if people wanna channel theirmain character, energy IRL,
without being cringe'cause wewent over a lot of really funny
cringe things.
What would you say are some ofthe tips that you would give
them?
I would say romanticize yourlife.
Not that, not just the idea ofyour life but yourself.
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It's okay to be like playful andto enjoy the things that you
enjoy and to just exist in it.
Without the fear of criticism,without the fear of other people
looking at you and maybe makingyou feel uncomfortable or they
don't understand it.
Just enjoy being you and it'sokay to have a soundtrack to
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some of the best moments.
If you don't have one, I'mconcerned for you.
Take a long car ride with yourperfect playlist.
Walk alone at the twilight hour?
Yes.
With your headphones in playinga melodic tuned.
Sit by your window anddramatically journal while it's
raining outside.
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What about you?
I think we hear this a lot,dress to impress or dress for
where you wanna be, where youwanna go in life.
And I say, dress for how youwanna feel.
It comes from the inside out,right?
So you gotta tap into thatinside part of this energetic
vibe, first and foremost, beforeit can be felt or radiated
(49:04):
outward.
So how are you showing up forthe day?
Not only dress yourself and yourbody and your clothes, but dress
your attitude, dress yourenergy, dress everything about
you.
Choose how you want to be andwho you get to be.
When you go out in the world andyou wake up and you're ready to
tackle the day, that'll changeeverything.
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Whether you're walking to yourmailbox like it's the Met Gala
or healing like it's a montagescene.
Just know this, you are not toomuch, you're the whole damn
plot.
Go be iconic, bestie, andremember, yes, they are looking
at you.
Share this episode with yourfavorite CoStar, and tag us with
(49:47):
your own hashtag main charactermoments.
Catch you next time.
Bye.
Bye.
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