July 23, 2025 • 47 mins
Welcome back to Andi & Mich—the podcast where two sisters, two generations, and a whole lot of realness come together.
In this very special episode, we're taking you way behind the scenes—back to the moment this podcast was born… in a hospital waiting room.
What started during our mom’s life-threatening heart crisis turned into one of the most life-giving creative projects we’ve ever done. Between 5 a.m. surgery check-ins, screaming in parking lots, and cracked jokes over cafeteria food, we somehow found the clarity to say: “Let’s start a podcast.”
This episode is a raw, funny, and heartfelt reflection on grief, healing, creativity, and joy. We talk about:
- How chaos and creativity collided to spark the idea for this show
- What it means to dream during hard times (and why it’s not selfish)
- Why grief and laughter are not opposites, but sacred companions
- The power of reclaiming your voice when life feels out of control
- Lessons learned as Latina sisters, daughters, and podcast newbies
- Why creativity is a scientifically backed healing tool—not fluff
If you’ve ever felt stuck in survival mode and wondered whether it’s “okay” to follow your dreams when everything feels messy—this episode is your permission slip. You don’t need to wait for things to calm down before you create. Sometimes the chaos is the spark.
🎧 Whether you're a longtime listener or new to our chaos—this one’s a must-listen.
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The Andi and Mich Podcast: Two Sisters, Two Generations, Unique Perspectives, Lots of Laughs
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Welcome back to Andy and Mitch,the podcast where two sisters,
two generations, and way toomany emotions come together to
figure it all out.
Okay but today we are taking youbehind the scenes like way
behind back to the moment wedecided to start this podcast.
Spending way too much time in ahospital waiting room.
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Yeah, lots of doctors, hospitalcoffee, tears, takeout, and in
the middle of all that.
Hey, should we start a podcast?
Because why not start somethingnew when everything else is
literally falling apart?
We're sharing the story of howthis podcast was born and why we
believe it's actually vital tokeep dreaming, creating, and
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staying connected to joy evenduring the hardest times.
Let's get into it.
So let's rewind, mom's heartsurgery major.
It was just a lot of up anddowns in like very heavy,
intense ways, emotionally.
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You could technically say thatwe've been stressed out since
last year.
Birth.
I mean, it turned from a,something doesn't feel right to
like an immediate lifethreatening situation.
So everything else in our liveshad to stop.
And we just had to shift focusand try to understand what was
happening and try to besupportive and make hard
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decisions together as a family,that we thought would be best
for the outcome.
And then once you make thosedecisions, then you gotta like
go through the whole thing.
And put your trust in thesestrangers that you don't know,
to do the right thing and toprovide the right kind of care.
The surgeon she got was thebest.
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And to say that was a miracle initself, like he just got called
in to consult on the difficultyof her case, and then he decided
to take it.
Shout out to hospital staff,doctors, nurses, like we had
some really wonderful nursesthat were so helpful and kind
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and caring.
There was a few that it waslike, wow, you must be an angel
here to guide us.
So it was like we went throughall of this stuff around the
health issue with the heart andwhether or not surgery was gonna
happen and then on surgery day,right, we had to be there at
like 5:00 AM, so you and I bothbarely had any rest.
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Yeah.
Drove over there at like 4:30 inthe morning and the nurse that
came to get mom and prep her forher surgery was like the
sweetest, kindest, warmest,almost like a big sister vibe.
She was from Kenya.
She was the best.
Yeah and we were so stressed andshe was so lovely at five in the
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morning.
And one of the things that shesaid to us was, go home, she
said people come here and theysit here and they wait for hours
and hours and hours and they'restressed and they're exhausted
and you can't be of any help toanybody in that state.
So she like reiterated over andover she said,"look at me, go
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home, sleep, eat something, restand then come back when the
doctor calls you to come back."Yep.
"Do not sit in this waiting roomand burn yourself out, you have
to take care of yourself inorder to be there for your mom
cause she's gonna need you morethan ever once she comes out of
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this." And it was so like honestbut warm.
I think we felt like she wasjust hugging our souls in the
moment.
Then we got food and we cameback, laid on the sofa.
Rested.
And I'm like, you know what weshould do?
We should start a podcast.
My dog was witness, he justagreed.
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That was probably like the peakof stress, like the most
stressful moment of like thiscrazy surgery that's about to
take place knowing thestatistics around success.
Mm-hmm.
And we're like.
This sounds like a great idea.
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You know what sounds really goodright now?
That's what happened.
Do you remember that moment?
I do remember that.
I also remember that she was solovely that she let both of us
in, she hid me because they'renot supposed to, but because of
the odds of the surgery, she waslike, both of you can come in.
Which is very nice of her.
Yeah.
And she was like, you better bequiet or you're gonna get me in
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trouble.
Don't make any noise.
It was so interesting too.
And this is just a side tangentof how many of the nurses and
doctors were shocked that bothof us were there all the time.
Like we were there every day andafter a few days it's exhausting
but we were there for a fewweeks.
So much so that some of thepeople thought we work there.
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Thought we were like doctors.
But we knew how to navigate theshit outta the hospital.
And they had like really goodlunch too.
The cafeteria food was prettydelicious.
So I was like, okay, at leastshe's getting good food, the
very least, if things go awry,she had decent meals.
The majority of 2025 for us hasbeen really wild.
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It's been a lot because evenbefore all the things hit the
fan in the world, we werealready running on empty.
Yeah we were already like, arewe planning to remodel the house
so mom can come home to a usablespace or are we planning a
funeral?
And that sounds sad, but thatwas true every day we were just
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in limbo trying to figure out ifshe would be strong enough to go
through the surgery that sheneeded to go through.
But she couldn't come home, shehad to stay at the hospital, it
was like, she won't survive ifshe goes home and she also won't
survive without surgery, butshe's not strong enough to do
the surgery yet.
And so that's the space we wereliving in for so long until we
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shifted to the caregiving.
Full blown recovery phase, whichis a whole nother beast.
Yeah.
It was hard to move from likehaving to deal with that, having
to deal with our own emotions,processing stuff, not being an
emotional wreck in front of ourmother so that she didn't feel
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hopeless.
Yeah.
And at the same time, we werelucky to have each other through
it because I feel like if one ofus was more removed or not
around, that would've beenreally hard to take on solo.
And, and also to have yourpartner and your daughter who
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helped us a ton too.
Mm-hmm.
And some family that showed upto provide support out of
nowhere, like we had a cousinthat drove like over an hour
away after work.
Just to, try to bring us dinnerand like, say hello and spend
time.
As we talked about, our familyis very intuitive whether we
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like to admit it or not and likethat cousin who drove, drove
because she had a dream that ourmother told us she needed her,
which is very wild'cause no onehad spoken to her in a hot
second.
And so she just went out of herway to show up, which is really
beautiful.
I think I also had a little bitof PTSD from that moment'cause
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it was really reminiscent ofdad, where everyone just showed
up.
And I was like, oh shit, no.
It's real when every, all thefamily members start coming out
of the woodwork but it's alsonavigating not only our own
stuff, but then now we talkedabout this is like, it's even
harder because you also nowbecome the person holding space
for them because they don'treally know what they're walking
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into and then when they see theperson in the state that they're
really in and understand thegravity of the situation.
They tend to fall apart too.
And we were putting on the braveface and also comforting them
when it should have been theopposite.
I think some of our familymembers did better than others
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because, you know, our mother'svery beloved, she's very loved
and so it was really hard forpeople and they didn't know,
they thought she was just therefor like a hospital visit.
She's gonna go home and also,you know, some of our family
members saw the worst of itbecause when she had first come
out of, an angiogram that theydid, she suffered amnesia.
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And so when they saw her, shedidn't even remember who she was
and it was very scary for them.
Yeah, because our mom's a bigpersonality.
She's very much an extrovert.
She loves everybody, everybodyloves her.
She's very social, you know,she'll listen to anything you
have to say, she'll buy anythingyou're selling.
She's very like, wants to makeeverybody feel seen and included
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and heard and kids love her,animals love her, she's just
like a walking heart.
Literally.
Yeah, I mean, she has a badattitude sometimes, but she's a
Gemini, so what do you gemexpect.
We know it's coming.
Don't even lie, Geminis, ifyou're listening to this right
now, you know exactly what we'retalking about.
You guys are literally walkingcoins 24/7, heads or tails, we
don't know.
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So that was like the start ofour 2025.
It was like Happy New Year andthen boom chaos.
So once we got to a place whereit felt more stable, and then
the rest of the world opened upto us more fully, it was like,
oh shit.
Oh, did you hear about the bigbeautiful bill.
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Also democracy is falling apart.
On and on and on.
It's been a wild, ride.
So looking back, do you think wewere a little emotionally
unhinged?
I mean, we screamed in theparking lot.
It's just like you find yourselfkind of numb, like you start
numbing out because it's justtoo much and so I told Mitch, we
got in the car and I'm like,okay, here's what we're gonna do
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we're gonna scream, I'm gonnacount to three, and we're just
gonna scream to the top of ourlungs.
There's nobody else in thisparking lot.
I mean, if there was, I mean, itwas like five in the morning,
right?
Somebody else was there.
They probably thought we werebatshit crazy.
No, there was a guy, he was alittle bit far and he was
walking and he did see us, buthe was just like nodding like,
yeah, I get it.
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He's like, same.
And we just screamed in the car.
And then we laughed and then wewere like, let's go get
breakfast.
I think we laughed a lot too.
I think that was really helpful.
But definitely a little bitemotionally unhinged.
Like in a very goofy, you don'tknow what you're gonna get from
us kinda way.
And also like innately wise,'cause we both like doing
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creative things, we're bothcreative people.
So it was almost like our brainwas like, Hey, this is an outlet
and I need you to see it and payattention to it'cause it will
help you.
Yeah, a lot of times we don'trealize that, like, when we need
creativity, we need to have thatoutlet or to engage in a
creative act especially whenwe're under a lot of stress.
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It's our brain's way of saying,I need you to help me out.
Like I'm overloaded and you needto help me out now.
It can feel ridiculous to thinkabout taking on something like
this or even thinking aboutbeing creative in any way when
everything feels like it'sfalling apart around you, but it
really isn't.
We have the added bonus ofhaving such a traumatic life, I
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call it a bonus, and here's why.
I think it gives you a lot ofknowledge and experience to deal
with life differently.
And that does kind of fuelcreativity.
There's a creative element inthat, where you kind of have to
come up with ways to survive.
This sounds really dark, but I'mjust saying like, it gives you
this grit.
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And this resilience that youdon't find in a lot of people I
mean, studies have found thatresilience and grit are often
built out of survivinghardships.
And so because we've had that,it's kind of fine tuned us to be
able to laugh in those moments,to not just get stuck in that
frozen state.
Who do you think, laughed moreduring our first recordings?
You?
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I don't know.
I feel like we both laugh a lot.
I think you laugh more.
I cackle.
When I laugh, laugh, I soundlike I'm a whole different
woman.
Or a bird.
Do you think you were techsupport or vibe coordinator?
I feel like you were both for awhile.
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It depended on how much sleepeach of us got.
Fair.
I think that's still the case.
It's a balance between, there'scertain tech things you do,
there's certain tech things Ido, and then the vibes like
we're trying to keep each otheraligned.
You mean in the podcast or inlife?
Because I was talking about thehospital.
In the podcast.
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Oh, you're more vibecoordinator, i'm more tech
support I think.
In the hospital.
I thought the hospital like.
If our podcast had a launchtheme song, what would it be?
I will Survive, it could alsobe...
like a Loony Tunes, where it'sjust gibberish, but it makes
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sense.
I actually like that the best.
That's what it felt like, amontage of failed intros and
someone yelling, wait, are werecording?
We did have a few instanceswhere we thought we were
recording and then we weren't.
Oh my God and those were thebest takes.
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We're like, man, we nailed itand then it's like, not
recorded.
We're like, no, no.
Alright, I wanna go back to whatyou were saying a minute ago.
Let's talk about the myth ofsurvival mode.
This idea that in hard timesyou're only supposed to be
serious, focus, hustle, no joyallowed'cause everything's
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serious and you gotta be makingimportant decisions.
Like creativity is only for whenthings are calm and stable.
I mean, let's be real, that'snever the case.
Doing something creative, likecreating this podcast for us,
like it didn't pull us away fromreality.
It became like a tool thatgrounded us in it and helped us
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like reconnect to ourselves.
Yeah, I mean, how many peoplecan say they recorded their
first episode while healing abroken heart?
Literally.
Doing sound checks betweencrisis modes and medical
updates.
Let's expand on that.
When have you felt like you hadto get serious and put joy on
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hold?
That's the general defaultsentiment all the time.
I feel like when anything isdifficult, hard involves fear,
grief, especially like if you'regrieving, you're not allowed to
feel joy.
And I think that's a myth.
Once you experience your firstloss of a family member or
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friend, you understand thattears are part of unexpressed
love and joy is part ofunexpressed love.
And it's a combo situation whenyou're experiencing grief.
Yeah you can experience both'cause I think we're programmed
to feel ashamed or embarrassedif we're not down in the dumps
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with everyone 100% of the timeand so to feel joy while you're
experiencing hardship or a scarytime or grief.
You can be made to feel likethat's a betrayal, but it's not
because the grief doesn't goaway it's still there.
You're just giving yourself anopportunity to experience
another emotion and potentiallyan outlet of some sort for all
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the stuff that you're holdingonto and not giving voice to and
not talking about.
I would argue too when you'reable to laugh, and when you're
able to find some of the joy andeven some of the beauty and some
of those hard moments, it'salmost like a catalyst, like
something that helps the griefmove through you and grief is
not like this stagnant thing.
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It doesn't stay forever the waythat people portray it but it
also doesn't really leave you,it kind of just comes in waves.
So if you're in a position whereyou're grieving and you feel
stuck, just know it's gonna comein waves and be patient with
yourself.
Maybe give yourself permissionto feel those little moments of
joy or recant good things orlaugh at some of the hardships.
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Even sometimes the people whoare in the situations, like our
mother particularly, who washaving really hard moments with
herself, coming to terms withthe fact that she might not live
past those two weeks where itbecame really difficult.
Even she was cracking jokes, youknow?
And some of it was from fear andsome of it was from like, you
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can't just stop living justbecause you might be dying.
Because we all are dying, right?
Yeah.
But that's why it's so importantto be able to allow yourself to
feel, the plethora of emotions.
And sometimes it feels if welaugh or we dream or we're being
creative, that it can beirresponsible during hard times.
But grief and laughter are notopposites, they're companions on
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the emotional rollercoaster ofbeing alive.
And it create a sense ofvulnerability, which is really
interesting when you reallythink about it.
Because when you laugh, you'reputting your guard down.
Like when you're sharing humorwith people, you're putting your
guard down and you're showingyour humanness to each other and
like grief cracks us open andlaughter kind of helps us stitch
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ourselves back together.
These little giggles are healingmoments for us in the process.
And it's not just with grief,fear, stress, uncertainty, all
of those things.
Both can coexist at the sametime.
How has this podcast challengeor shifted the mindset for you?
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Doing this was a reminder.
It was like a very powerfulreminder, things don't have to
be siloed, they can coexist.
And there is a purpose for doingboth at the same time, for
taking on like a creativeproject that, which kudos to us,
we've both been very committedto, following through on.
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By taking that on during a timewhen we're giving 90% of
ourselves to caregiving andother things.
It was such a necessary outletthat we probably didn't even
realize that we needed as muchas we did.
And then we started to have somuch fun doing it.
And it just became somethingthat we looked forward to.
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Something that's like kind of asuperpower of both of us is that
we have always had this abilityto find the light in the dark.
I love really like edgy darkcomedians.
There's something so catharticabout the fact that we live in
this space where you can findthe contradiction, the humor
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lives within the contradictionof the statements but if you
listen to the entirety of thejoke, the contradiction exists
within it.
And so I think that is somethingthat's really been like a
superpower of us is like, wefind the contradictory moments
within the seriousness of whatis occurring, on a subconscious
level that we're able to giggleand laugh and make silly jokes
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to kind of just like take theedge off.
Yeah because laughter is reallya healer, right?
It's such a healing modalitylike.
I think biologically scienceproves it releases all the good,
feel good chemicals in our body.
But there's something reallysacred about it like if we let
joy do its sacred work, it doesremind us that we're alive.
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That we're connected and we arecapable of finding light even in
the dark.
And it's like if you can't laughat life, then what are you even
doing?
The people that carry themselvesthrough life without joy and
laughter, I can't even imaginewhat that is like.
I feel like I've used laughteras a tool since being a kid and
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experiencing hardship as a kid,but always being able to laugh
with people and find thosemoments where you can do that.
It does, like you said, it shedslight on something that is very
heavy and very dark.
And then it gives you a momentto breathe in that and it
creates connection'cause likewhen you can laugh with other
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people, like you're connectingwith them beyond words.
I really do think that justcomes from life experience and
loss and grief and hardship.
And not everybody experiencesstuff that gives them that tool.
So sometimes if you know you'renot particularly skilled in that
area, or you're not familiarwith those kind of tools, having
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or leaning into friendships thatyou may have or close companions
that you have that exhibit thosetools is really helpful too
because they can be the onesthat kind of provide the comedic
relief to the hardship of life.
Finish the sentence, I used tothink dreaming during hard times
was blank, but now I know it'sblank.
I used to think dreaming duringhard times was selfish.
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And now I know that it's anecessary superpower.
Dreaming encompasses the idea oflike joy and creativity and
humor, if you can tap into that,it's a superpower.
Like you will be much better offbeing able to utilize whatever
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part of that you can than if youjust ignore it and feel like,
oh, it's selfish or shameful.
I agree with that.
So essentially kind of whatwe're saying is creativity it
really is a lifeline.
It reminds us that beingcreative and that the importance
of continuing to do somethingisn't fluff, right?
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It's medicine and all of thatkeeps us grounded and reminds us
who we are and sometimes.
You tap into parts of yourselfthat are more creative than you
ever thought you could be.
You're learning a new skill.
Like we learned how to do allthis stuff from scratch, really?
We had no clue what we weredoing, we messed up intros,
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deleted full episodes byaccident.
Yeah, glitched out.
Deleted.
It still hurts.
I think one of the times I gotso mad.
Yeah, you did.
And Mitch was like.
Let's just, it's okay.
Let's just rerecord it.
We'll do it right now.
And I was like, no.
I packed up my stuff and I left.
I was so mad.
I was like, I can't believe weput all this effort into this.
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And then it just like didn't panout.
Yeah.
But I had to let it go.
And also, that's part of thehardship that I was saying,
creativity is great and it's funand it's worth it, but it is not
easy cause there's moments likethat that happen and you have to
be able to just keep rollingwith the punches.
And showing up anyway and givingyourself permission to be joyful
and to reconnect with, our ownvoices in this case'cause we're
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both doing this as a duo.
Yeah.
One of the biggest takeaways isreconnecting to your voice,
because I do think that whenyou're in crisis mode or you are
caregiving or you're facing atime of hardship, we tend to
shift into people pleasing mode.
And in that we automaticallybecome a little disconnected
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from our own voice.
And then we become taken over bywhatever event is unfolding in
front of us and when you'reputting everything on hold, even
more so.
Doing something like this,specifically the podcast.
And I think this is true forboth of us, it helped us to stay
connected, like to come back toour voice and even more so like
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find our voice in the chaos.
Yeah, true.
Even if where you are is in ahospital waiting room,
whispering ideas between doctorupdates.
If you've got a dream, don'twait for things to be perfect.
I think create from where youare.
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That's another lesson learned.
If we weren't in this space ofhardship and we had the
conversation of, hey, we shoulddo a podcast, do you think we
would actually have done it?
You had the idea of doing apodcast, I think that's the
first time I heard it was fromyou.
And then when you came to thething like, we should do a
podcast, I was like, okay, andthen I just dove in.
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Yeah.
I don't think it would've cometogether in the way that it did
if we were waiting for theperfect time.
It's almost like the timingpresented itself.
Everything stopped just enoughfor us to say, well, we should
do something with this energyand so it's like you had an
outlet, you knew what you weregonna do, and then you're like,
you basically invited me to bepart of this version.
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The different levels of healingthrough a creative project.
And specifically for us doing apodcast, because if we think
about being women podcastersbeing Latina podcasters coming
from the families that we camefrom where people didn't talk
openly a lot about.
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Still don't talk.
About very much of anythingbesides chisme..
So giving voice like by usingour voices in this way, it's
also doing some generationalhealing.
It even like has encouraged ourmom to talk more about some
things with us.
Yeah, it is generationalhealing, and it does give our
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mother more courage to talkabout things maybe she never
thought she could.
Another thing I wanna say too islike, it's making me recognize
how many women probablythroughout our lineage, who were
never asked these questions.
Right?
Like no one ever was curious toask them.
Or even felt like they had thefreedom to speak openly about a
lot of these things.
Whatever the case is, it's veryhealing to have intentionally
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put ourselves in this position.
I'm very grateful for it.
I like, I love what we're doingwith the podcast and more
importantly, I love the effectsthat it's having on us.
And it's validating a lot ofexperiences cause as women, I
can say this confidently, we'relike the secret keepers of
everyone's junk.
I also mean this by like livedexperiences.
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Like if things go wrong, peopleexpect you never to speak about
it.
It's shunned to speak about itand this is from all walks of
life, right?
Even in professional settings,relationships, friendships, like
we are secret keepers.
And that's just part of the gig,unfortunately.
And so I think this is like areally beautiful way to kind of
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break out of those molds andchallenge a lot of those
structures.
Let's also talk about howcreativity is far more than just
feeling artsy.
It's a scientifically recognizedcoping strategy.
It can intensify and channelemotional processing.
As Andy mentioned, if fostersresilience and psychological
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growth, especiallypost-traumatic growth.
It boosts emotional wellbeing instudents and during crises and
it's predictable and measurable,across cultures and various
settings.
It is science back proven it'sin the research.
Yeah and whenever you're takingon a creative project, I think
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that's.
If you're really payingattention, that's probably the
most powerful takeaway is theimpact that it's having, not
only on you, but other parts ofyour life, including your family
and your lineage.
Let's get into a little bit ofreflection about the podcast,
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because I think that'sspecifically what the big
creative outlet was for us goingthrough crisis.
How effortless the act ofconversation is with you about
topics that I never speak about.
Hmm.
Like sexy stuff.
Yeah and how it's kind ofbleeding in other areas.
Now I'm like sharing with likecertain people that I was more
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reserved with.
I'm like, oh my God, have youseen that one show where they're
all naked?
Like, they're like, what are youtalking about?
That sounds weird.
I'm like, yeah, it sounds weird,but watch it and then report
back.
But then it's not weird anymoreonce you watch it.
Yeah, so I think that's a bigone, is just like, the ease of
transitioning back to being socomfortable with myself that I'm
open about talking about thingsthat i've just kind of held
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close to my chest.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
What about you?
Two things one is, the level ofcompatibility between us as
sisters.
Like seeing how we're sodifferent from each other but it
like compliments each other in areally weird way.
And so it's this balance, itfeels like we're like the
seesaw, we're on each side,right?
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Two are like the aha momentswhere sometimes I think I'm
gonna talk about one thing, butI'll say something else and then
later I'm like, why did I saythat?
And then how much you learnabout yourself and your level
of.
Of comfortability and storiesthat you tell about your life.
Is there an episode or momentthat's felt most true to you or
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an episode that we've done sofar that's like your favorite?
The sister one that was myfavorite because like the vibe
is just, there we're likelaughing, having a good time.
It was very effortless inediting because it's like, it
was just really funny.
I think the ones where we laughthe most are my favorite.
Yeah, agreed.
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It's interesting when you'redoing podcasting because you
kind of have to find your flow.
And I know that some people arevery heavily scripted because I
like to do research.
I did a lot of research on likepodcasting and setting up
episodes.
And some people are very heavilyscripted.
Some people are not scripted atall.
They're just winging it.
And I feel like we found like amiddle ground where we wanna
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have a sense of what we wannatalk about but then it feels
effortless and it does feelnatural.
And sometimes we don't evenfollow what's in front of us
we're just like, okay, we'regonna go rogue and talk about
whatever.
But I do think the times whenwe're getting in the groove and
we're just flowing withconversation and the energy's
right.
We've had just the right amountof caffeine.
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Just the right amount of food.
All of the above.
How do you think we staycreatively inspired?
Because we do get tired.
We are busy in life, we have alot of other things going on.
Uh, yeah, I don't know.
I'm really trying to figure thatone out.
If you think you're gonna gointo being like this creative
person and it's gonna be likereally easy.
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It's like, no, it takes, ittakes work in the form of
dedicating time to it and then,and making sure that you, you
show up and do what you sayyou're gonna do.
Mm-hmm.
Which is sometimes harder forpeople than it is for others.
So what I feel emotionally, interms of like joy and happiness
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that I get out of being creativeis worth it.
So much so that I will becreative in uncomfortable spaces
or tense spaces despite.
And I can say this for manycreatives, but for myself with
this one, what makes this evenmore exciting is that this is
such an easygoing situation.
And so I think because it'slight, giggly, fun, the work is
(31:43):
worth it.
What about you?
I think it's because it's fun.
I really enjoy doing it.
It's, I think it's using ourbrain cells in new ways.
So it's making us think andlearn new skills that, hey, we
can now produce podcasts allover the world if we wanted to
'cause we know how to do it.
Just saying hire us as a duo..
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Yeah like I think it's feedingour brains, it's feeding our
souls, it's feeding our spiritand I just enjoy doing it.
Like to give up a, a half a dayor a day to work together and
record and do all the editingand things that we need to do
for it on the back end.
It's fun for me.
And so because it has that joyattached to it, it feels easier
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to stay inspired and to jumpinto creativity because it's
meaningful mm-hmm.
In a like, joyful way, right.
And I do think that's important.
If you're gonna pick a projectto work on, that joy does need
to be one of the elements of it.
In order for it to really befulfilling and meaningful for
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you.
Yeah.
There's actually an equation forthis.
It's creativity equalsimagination multiplied by
action.
So imagination is the ability tothink of the possibilities and
action turning thoughts intoreality.
If you were to identify thecritical elements of creativity.
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Those probably vary betweenpeople, but for the most part, I
would say joy needs to be one.
And I think from that comespurpose and meaning.
And then there has to be actiontoo, right?
Yeah, you know what'sinteresting is, like you say
that, and I think it's differentfor everyone.
I agree with that because I,meaning does come sometimes
ahead of time of the act ofcreating for me but a lot of
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times it comes after.
Mm-hmm.
So sometimes, like I'll write asong or a story or whatever.
I'll do something and then I'mjust doing it.
And then later I'm like, oh,wow, there's some real depth in
there, what the hell?
You know?
Yeah.
Like after the fact, and evenlike with the podcast episodes.
So, I think meaning does existin the initiating want to create
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something.
But it's deepened in theaftermath.
Yeah, it exists in the, in theinitiating act of wanting to
create, but the deep meaningresides in the result.
Is there anything that we'vesaid or done on the podcast that
you still think about?
Oh yeah.
I just hope my ex over hearsthat one episode.
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I think about that sometimes.
Who cares?
I feel like, yeah, if you'relistening, you know who you are.
Who cares?
We need to feel empowered totalk about whatever we wanna
talk about From our perspectivesbased on our experience.
Experiences.
Wow.
Look at us.
I know.
Look at us growing.
No, I meant because we finisheach other's sentences.
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Oh, sandwiches.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We each other's sandwiches.
Oh my gosh.
What about funniest or weirdestmoments while based on what
we've recorded so far?
We're like 15 episodes in.
I know, I actually went back andlistened to them, which I never
do that for any project.
(35:00):
I went back and startedlistening to them.
I was like, oh, they're prettygood.
Oh, that one's really funny I dothe same thing i'm like, wow,
that's us.
That's pretty incredible.
I think it also helps buildconfidence too, because.
We as individuals get in our ownheads about things.
Yeah, a lot, especially whenyou're trying to do something
(35:21):
creative and or you are going totake that leap and be vulnerable
and put it out to the publicwhere strangers are going to pay
attention to something thatyou've created and you can
create some weird story, butthen you hear it back and you're
like, oh, that's way better thanI ever thought it was or was
going to be.
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I think podcasting also teachesyou to just let go.
Because you have to free flowand again, you may in your head
think I'm gonna say this, I'mgonna say it this way, it's
gonna sound so amazing.
And then you do it and you'relike or something else comes out
and you're like, that's not whatI wanted to say.
But it just fit better anyways.
(36:02):
And so there's a flow that youhave to just release and let go
and trust yourself.
And the more you do it, the moreyou trust.
Now we just jump on.
We're like, what are we say?
What are we talking about?
I don't even read the questionsahead of time.
Because we've built a differentlevel of trust in ourselves and
each other.
In the process to just gowherever the conversation takes
(36:23):
us, even if it's not where weinitially thought it was gonna
be.
I like that more than anything Ilike things that feel authentic
and I think that you do too.
And that's kind of why we'relike, no bs, no filler.
Yeah, also in a head space whereI'm done performing, I'm done
(36:43):
being performative.
Right?
It's more of, we're taking somuch goodness away from this
experience.
That the people that are gonnalisten and relate are gonna find
it, and they're gonna listen andthey're gonna relate and they're
gonna really enjoy it as much aswe do.
And the people that don't won't.
And that's okay.
Get outta here.
Scram.
(37:04):
Actually, don't we need you tostay and listen?
No, please subscribe and sharewith 10 of your friends.
We have a lot of bloopers.
Because, you know, sometimeswe're over caffeinated and then
it's like, or sometimes I say areal name and I'm like, no
retract, retract the real name.
Yeah, we're trying to protectthose who are not volunteering
(37:26):
to be.
Except for Monica in that oneepisode she's out there, but
there's a thousand Monicas andyou'll never know which one.
Oh my God.
What's an episode that almostdidn't happen, but you're glad
it did.
The fashion fails.
Yeah.
I was really against it andthen, and then Andy convinced
(37:48):
me, and I'm glad it, I'm glad itdid happen because after the
people that I've listened to itso far that we know have like
really responded to it and likefelt really empowered to be like
their own little fashionistas.
Yeah, you were so against it.
I really was.
And then it actually ended upbeing good.
I think one of the ones that Iwas like on the fence of was pet
peeves because I thought we'regonna sound like two crazy old
(38:10):
ladies, but it's actually reallyfunny.
Like I really enjoyed listeningto it, and got a lot of good
feedback about it.
So you just never know, right?
Listen, we're not here to pleaseanybody.
We're just trying to beourselves, that's all we can do.
The best we can do in life is bethe best version of us.
(38:30):
And if you like it, great and ifyou don't, I don't care.
And at times the worst versionof us, which makes it so, yeah
which makes it sometimes thefunniest.
Yeah.
Well the best version of me alsomakes a lot of mistakes.
There you have it.
You got it.
I'm the Chaos sister.
Have you heard that episode?
You know, I thrived in thetornado of life.
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So we've learned a lot of newskills we've talked about that
editing, interviewing eachother, marketing, you know, who
knows where it'll go next, butwhat's something you think you'd
do differently if we werestarting over today?
Nothing really.
We were chatting about it'causethere was no expectation and now
there's like a little bit ofgrowth and like a little bit of
(39:12):
like cool things happening.
People actually listening.
It's just nice and I still don'thave like these incredibly rigid
standards, and I think that'swhy it's so free right now.
I wanna keep that mentalityabout it, for as long as
possible.
But it's also exciting to hearthat people are actually finding
it and that people are listeningand relating and it makes me
(39:34):
feel like we're doing somethinggood in a world right now that's
pretty chaotic.
Yeah and that was really part ofour initial goal.
When we talked about like, whatwas the purpose behind it, not
realizing all the other thingswe were gonna get out of it.
But when we were trying to buildthe basic structure of the
podcast, it was, we just want tobe some good in the world.
(39:58):
And help people feel connectedand seen and heard as just
ordinary people living ordinarylives.
And if we could be a spark ofjoy for somebody, then wow we've
totally made it.
We've done it.
We've done it.
We've done our job.
Realizing that we were doing alot of that for each other, and
also recognizing that there'sjust not enough of that out
(40:19):
there.
And to be two women doing it, ifthese men can get online and
show up they're.
The worst opinions ever, let'sbe real.
And talk about nonsense, then wecan do the same thing and do it
better.
Uh, except not nonsense facts.
(40:40):
Okay?
We're based in mostly science,sometimes opinion, a little bit
of emotion and some chaos, thebest.
The best recipe for people whoare thinking about maybe doing a
podcast or are interested,what's something that you would
want them to know?
I'm not gonna share any of mysecrets with you.
Secret sauce.
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What you said earlier, reallyresonated with me is that it's
work.
Like be consistent, bededicated.
Have fun with it'cause if you'renot having fun with it, then
what are you even doing?
And know that Yeah there's alittle work that you're gonna
have to put into it, you know?
Yeah.
Anything that's quality takeseffort and so you just apply
(41:24):
that equation to anything inlife, a relationship, a podcast,
an art project, a funeral.
And what I will say too is westarted with like cheapy basic
mics that we still use fromAmazon you don't have to invest
a ton of money.
You can start with as many ofthe free, easy, low cost tools
and it all works the same.
That is one bit of advice that Iwould give to somebody who wants
(41:46):
to start something, whether itbe a podcast or anything else.
Just start.
Like Andy mentioned right now,if you're doing a podcast,
there's free tools out there.
There's a lot of programs thatmay it really easy to streamline
things that are affordable.
You don't have to get like, thewhole setup with an interface
and a mixing board and all thethings, you can get some small
mics and kind of work your wayup to those things.
(42:08):
And there's free softwares youcan use.
Yeah.
But the really what I wouldadvise is like, make sure that
you create something that soundslike you.
So whatever you're doing, it hasto sound like you, and you don't
want it to be like this robotic,boring thing, you want it to be
interesting and fun just likeyou probably are.
And you might not be.
(42:28):
And then if you're not, thenlike, don't do a podcast.
Do something else.
Wow.
Do do something else that's funbut do something else that like
still like makes you likejoyful.
What about our next levelvision?
What are we dreaming of next?
I tend to thrive when I'mtelling no one what I'm doing,
and I just show them what I'vedone.
Yeah.
(42:48):
I've noticed that with everycreative endeavor.
If I overshare prior to actuallycompleting it, the things will
always shift and change in eband flow.
And so I like to, I like to justcontinue to do things and then
be like, Hey, surprise, lookwhat I've done.
And also I'd love to hear whatpeople wanna hear.
Like if there's certain thingsthat you really love that we've
(43:08):
done or you would love to hearus do, send it to us in a DM and
it might show up at some point.
How do we want our listeners tofeel after each episode?
Like, Hmm.
Oh expression.
No worries.
What's the word for that?
There's a German word for it,for sure.
Yeah.
(43:29):
It's like, I don't know if thereis a word for it specifically,
but like that sense of likecalm, joy, confidence.
You know the way that you feelwhen you feel like, oh yeah, I
get it, and somebody gets me.
(43:50):
Yeah, it's called ausatmen whichis a German word to exhale
calmly.
Yeah, like a sense of calm,peace, joy, you know, like A
joyful contentment, right.
Also like an an excitement tolike hear the next thing or
share something that came up foryou when you were listening with
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somebody else and like to spreadthe joy.
And to continue the conversationbeyond our podcast.
Like that's the dream.
To take what we're dishing outand hand it out to other people
too.
That'd be nice.
It's like when you're in line,like when you're in line buying
food or you're at Starbucks andthen the person in front of you
(44:32):
pays it forward.
And that little like excitementthat you get when you're like,
they paid for me.
And then the dread that you'relike.
How much is the person's behindme though?
100%.
We want you to fill that.
Just the first part, not thesecond part.
In terms of how do we want ourlisteners to feel after each
episode?
I want them to feel like if theysat in a conversation with two
(44:54):
of their closest friends.
Yeah.
Warm.
Even if you weren't able tospeak, sometimes in those
moments where you leave andyou're like, the hilarious crap
that they just said, or the funstuff that they, or the heavy
stuff that they just said gaveyou that card to be human.
To feel like you can beyourself.
Yeah'cause we're grown women,like there's probably a lot of
people who are listening to thisand they feel some sort of the
(45:17):
mix of things that we'reunpacking.
To have that outlet that Ididn't have when I was younger
or that you maybe didn't feellike you had at certain points
in your life where you justneeded another grown woman to
say, yeah, it's totally fine,you're Even when shit's falling
apart and you're getting yourhands messy, you're still okay.
And you're gonna be okay.
Yeah.
That would be really, reallygreat.
(45:38):
Yeah.
Then I would know we succeeded.
Yeah what is it called?
Fail forward, do thingsimperfectly, take chances you
know, embrace yourself.
I had a moment where I was like,are you just saying adjective?
Adjective?
Third thing here.
I agree with that, I love thatanswer 100%.
(46:01):
We want it to feel like you justhad a cup of coffee with someone
that just made you feel good,and heard you and saw you, and
there's a sense of warmth andjoy that goes with that and a
relief.
So if you're listening to us andyou're thinking, that's batshit
crazy, you are right.
(46:23):
And now is the time, maybe nowis exactly the time.
That moment it was just like, itwas the perfect moment to say,
Hey, we should do this togetherbecause, one, we're having
really great conversations'causewe're spending all this time
together and really bonding.
And two, somebody somewheremight be able to relate to that
(46:45):
and we can share that out andlaugh with other people and,
normalize a lot of what we'reexperiencing.
After all, we're just humans.
We are just humans.
Alright, here's your reminder.
You don't have to earn your joy.
You don't have to wait to bestable or done healing before
(47:06):
you create, even in the midst ofchaos.
If we can make a podcast in themiddle of a heart crisis,
literally, you can follow thatdream that's been poking at you
silently in the back of yourmind.
So we wanna know what is yourdream?
Share it, we wanna hear it.
And hey, send this to someonewho needs this reminder that
(47:29):
their dreams matter, especiallyin the midst of uncertainty and
they should start as soon asthey feel they're ready.
Your dreams aren't just storiesyou tell at night.
They're blueprints for what'spossible.
See you next time.
Bye bye.
Welcome back to Andy and Mitch,the podcast where two sisters,
two generations, and way toomany emotions come together to
figure it all out.
Okay but today we are taking youbehind the scenes like way
behind back to the moment wedecided to start this podcast.
Spending way too much time in ahospital waiting room.
(00:21):
Yeah, lots of doctors, hospitalcoffee, tears, takeout, and in
the middle of all that.
Hey, should we start a podcast?
Because why not start somethingnew when everything else is
literally falling apart?
We're sharing the story of howthis podcast was born and why we
believe it's actually vital tokeep dreaming, creating, and
(00:43):
staying connected to joy evenduring the hardest times.
Let's get into it.
So let's rewind, mom's heartsurgery major.
It was just a lot of up anddowns in like very heavy,
intense ways, emotionally.
(01:04):
You could technically say thatwe've been stressed out since
last year.
Birth.
I mean, it turned from a,something doesn't feel right to
like an immediate lifethreatening situation.
So everything else in our liveshad to stop.
And we just had to shift focusand try to understand what was
happening and try to besupportive and make hard
(01:28):
decisions together as a family,that we thought would be best
for the outcome.
And then once you make thosedecisions, then you gotta like
go through the whole thing.
And put your trust in thesestrangers that you don't know,
to do the right thing and toprovide the right kind of care.
The surgeon she got was thebest.
(01:49):
And to say that was a miracle initself, like he just got called
in to consult on the difficultyof her case, and then he decided
to take it.
Shout out to hospital staff,doctors, nurses, like we had
some really wonderful nursesthat were so helpful and kind
(02:13):
and caring.
There was a few that it waslike, wow, you must be an angel
here to guide us.
So it was like we went throughall of this stuff around the
health issue with the heart andwhether or not surgery was gonna
happen and then on surgery day,right, we had to be there at
like 5:00 AM, so you and I bothbarely had any rest.
(02:36):
Yeah.
Drove over there at like 4:30 inthe morning and the nurse that
came to get mom and prep her forher surgery was like the
sweetest, kindest, warmest,almost like a big sister vibe.
She was from Kenya.
She was the best.
Yeah and we were so stressed andshe was so lovely at five in the
(03:00):
morning.
And one of the things that shesaid to us was, go home, she
said people come here and theysit here and they wait for hours
and hours and hours and they'restressed and they're exhausted
and you can't be of any help toanybody in that state.
So she like reiterated over andover she said,"look at me, go
(03:21):
home, sleep, eat something, restand then come back when the
doctor calls you to come back."Yep.
"Do not sit in this waiting roomand burn yourself out, you have
to take care of yourself inorder to be there for your mom
cause she's gonna need you morethan ever once she comes out of
(03:42):
this." And it was so like honestbut warm.
I think we felt like she wasjust hugging our souls in the
moment.
Then we got food and we cameback, laid on the sofa.
Rested.
And I'm like, you know what weshould do?
We should start a podcast.
My dog was witness, he justagreed.
(04:03):
That was probably like the peakof stress, like the most
stressful moment of like thiscrazy surgery that's about to
take place knowing thestatistics around success.
Mm-hmm.
And we're like.
This sounds like a great idea.
(04:23):
You know what sounds really goodright now?
That's what happened.
Do you remember that moment?
I do remember that.
I also remember that she was solovely that she let both of us
in, she hid me because they'renot supposed to, but because of
the odds of the surgery, she waslike, both of you can come in.
Which is very nice of her.
Yeah.
And she was like, you better bequiet or you're gonna get me in
(04:44):
trouble.
Don't make any noise.
It was so interesting too.
And this is just a side tangentof how many of the nurses and
doctors were shocked that bothof us were there all the time.
Like we were there every day andafter a few days it's exhausting
but we were there for a fewweeks.
So much so that some of thepeople thought we work there.
(05:05):
Thought we were like doctors.
But we knew how to navigate theshit outta the hospital.
And they had like really goodlunch too.
The cafeteria food was prettydelicious.
So I was like, okay, at leastshe's getting good food, the
very least, if things go awry,she had decent meals.
The majority of 2025 for us hasbeen really wild.
(05:25):
It's been a lot because evenbefore all the things hit the
fan in the world, we werealready running on empty.
Yeah we were already like, arewe planning to remodel the house
so mom can come home to a usablespace or are we planning a
funeral?
And that sounds sad, but thatwas true every day we were just
(05:48):
in limbo trying to figure out ifshe would be strong enough to go
through the surgery that sheneeded to go through.
But she couldn't come home, shehad to stay at the hospital, it
was like, she won't survive ifshe goes home and she also won't
survive without surgery, butshe's not strong enough to do
the surgery yet.
And so that's the space we wereliving in for so long until we
(06:11):
shifted to the caregiving.
Full blown recovery phase, whichis a whole nother beast.
Yeah.
It was hard to move from likehaving to deal with that, having
to deal with our own emotions,processing stuff, not being an
emotional wreck in front of ourmother so that she didn't feel
(06:32):
hopeless.
Yeah.
And at the same time, we werelucky to have each other through
it because I feel like if one ofus was more removed or not
around, that would've beenreally hard to take on solo.
And, and also to have yourpartner and your daughter who
(06:52):
helped us a ton too.
Mm-hmm.
And some family that showed upto provide support out of
nowhere, like we had a cousinthat drove like over an hour
away after work.
Just to, try to bring us dinnerand like, say hello and spend
time.
As we talked about, our familyis very intuitive whether we
(07:13):
like to admit it or not and likethat cousin who drove, drove
because she had a dream that ourmother told us she needed her,
which is very wild'cause no onehad spoken to her in a hot
second.
And so she just went out of herway to show up, which is really
beautiful.
I think I also had a little bitof PTSD from that moment'cause
(07:35):
it was really reminiscent ofdad, where everyone just showed
up.
And I was like, oh shit, no.
It's real when every, all thefamily members start coming out
of the woodwork but it's alsonavigating not only our own
stuff, but then now we talkedabout this is like, it's even
harder because you also nowbecome the person holding space
for them because they don'treally know what they're walking
(07:58):
into and then when they see theperson in the state that they're
really in and understand thegravity of the situation.
They tend to fall apart too.
And we were putting on the braveface and also comforting them
when it should have been theopposite.
I think some of our familymembers did better than others
(08:19):
because, you know, our mother'svery beloved, she's very loved
and so it was really hard forpeople and they didn't know,
they thought she was just therefor like a hospital visit.
She's gonna go home and also,you know, some of our family
members saw the worst of itbecause when she had first come
out of, an angiogram that theydid, she suffered amnesia.
(08:40):
And so when they saw her, shedidn't even remember who she was
and it was very scary for them.
Yeah, because our mom's a bigpersonality.
She's very much an extrovert.
She loves everybody, everybodyloves her.
She's very social, you know,she'll listen to anything you
have to say, she'll buy anythingyou're selling.
She's very like, wants to makeeverybody feel seen and included
(09:00):
and heard and kids love her,animals love her, she's just
like a walking heart.
Literally.
Yeah, I mean, she has a badattitude sometimes, but she's a
Gemini, so what do you gemexpect.
We know it's coming.
Don't even lie, Geminis, ifyou're listening to this right
now, you know exactly what we'retalking about.
You guys are literally walkingcoins 24/7, heads or tails, we
don't know.
(09:21):
So that was like the start ofour 2025.
It was like Happy New Year andthen boom chaos.
So once we got to a place whereit felt more stable, and then
the rest of the world opened upto us more fully, it was like,
oh shit.
Oh, did you hear about the bigbeautiful bill.
(09:42):
Also democracy is falling apart.
On and on and on.
It's been a wild, ride.
So looking back, do you think wewere a little emotionally
unhinged?
I mean, we screamed in theparking lot.
It's just like you find yourselfkind of numb, like you start
numbing out because it's justtoo much and so I told Mitch, we
got in the car and I'm like,okay, here's what we're gonna do
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we're gonna scream, I'm gonnacount to three, and we're just
gonna scream to the top of ourlungs.
There's nobody else in thisparking lot.
I mean, if there was, I mean, itwas like five in the morning,
right?
Somebody else was there.
They probably thought we werebatshit crazy.
No, there was a guy, he was alittle bit far and he was
walking and he did see us, buthe was just like nodding like,
yeah, I get it.
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He's like, same.
And we just screamed in the car.
And then we laughed and then wewere like, let's go get
breakfast.
I think we laughed a lot too.
I think that was really helpful.
But definitely a little bitemotionally unhinged.
Like in a very goofy, you don'tknow what you're gonna get from
us kinda way.
And also like innately wise,'cause we both like doing
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creative things, we're bothcreative people.
So it was almost like our brainwas like, Hey, this is an outlet
and I need you to see it and payattention to it'cause it will
help you.
Yeah, a lot of times we don'trealize that, like, when we need
creativity, we need to have thatoutlet or to engage in a
creative act especially whenwe're under a lot of stress.
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It's our brain's way of saying,I need you to help me out.
Like I'm overloaded and you needto help me out now.
It can feel ridiculous to thinkabout taking on something like
this or even thinking aboutbeing creative in any way when
everything feels like it'sfalling apart around you, but it
really isn't.
We have the added bonus ofhaving such a traumatic life, I
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call it a bonus, and here's why.
I think it gives you a lot ofknowledge and experience to deal
with life differently.
And that does kind of fuelcreativity.
There's a creative element inthat, where you kind of have to
come up with ways to survive.
This sounds really dark, but I'mjust saying like, it gives you
this grit.
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And this resilience that youdon't find in a lot of people I
mean, studies have found thatresilience and grit are often
built out of survivinghardships.
And so because we've had that,it's kind of fine tuned us to be
able to laugh in those moments,to not just get stuck in that
frozen state.
Who do you think, laughed moreduring our first recordings?
You?
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I don't know.
I feel like we both laugh a lot.
I think you laugh more.
I cackle.
When I laugh, laugh, I soundlike I'm a whole different
woman.
Or a bird.
Do you think you were techsupport or vibe coordinator?
I feel like you were both for awhile.
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It depended on how much sleepeach of us got.
Fair.
I think that's still the case.
It's a balance between, there'scertain tech things you do,
there's certain tech things Ido, and then the vibes like
we're trying to keep each otheraligned.
You mean in the podcast or inlife?
Because I was talking about thehospital.
In the podcast.
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Oh, you're more vibecoordinator, i'm more tech
support I think.
In the hospital.
I thought the hospital like.
If our podcast had a launchtheme song, what would it be?
I will Survive, it could alsobe...
like a Loony Tunes, where it'sjust gibberish, but it makes
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sense.
I actually like that the best.
That's what it felt like, amontage of failed intros and
someone yelling, wait, are werecording?
We did have a few instanceswhere we thought we were
recording and then we weren't.
Oh my God and those were thebest takes.
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We're like, man, we nailed itand then it's like, not
recorded.
We're like, no, no.
Alright, I wanna go back to whatyou were saying a minute ago.
Let's talk about the myth ofsurvival mode.
This idea that in hard timesyou're only supposed to be
serious, focus, hustle, no joyallowed'cause everything's
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serious and you gotta be makingimportant decisions.
Like creativity is only for whenthings are calm and stable.
I mean, let's be real, that'snever the case.
Doing something creative, likecreating this podcast for us,
like it didn't pull us away fromreality.
It became like a tool thatgrounded us in it and helped us
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like reconnect to ourselves.
Yeah, I mean, how many peoplecan say they recorded their
first episode while healing abroken heart?
Literally.
Doing sound checks betweencrisis modes and medical
updates.
Let's expand on that.
When have you felt like you hadto get serious and put joy on
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hold?
That's the general defaultsentiment all the time.
I feel like when anything isdifficult, hard involves fear,
grief, especially like if you'regrieving, you're not allowed to
feel joy.
And I think that's a myth.
Once you experience your firstloss of a family member or
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friend, you understand thattears are part of unexpressed
love and joy is part ofunexpressed love.
And it's a combo situation whenyou're experiencing grief.
Yeah you can experience both'cause I think we're programmed
to feel ashamed or embarrassedif we're not down in the dumps
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with everyone 100% of the timeand so to feel joy while you're
experiencing hardship or a scarytime or grief.
You can be made to feel likethat's a betrayal, but it's not
because the grief doesn't goaway it's still there.
You're just giving yourself anopportunity to experience
another emotion and potentiallyan outlet of some sort for all
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the stuff that you're holdingonto and not giving voice to and
not talking about.
I would argue too when you'reable to laugh, and when you're
able to find some of the joy andeven some of the beauty and some
of those hard moments, it'salmost like a catalyst, like
something that helps the griefmove through you and grief is
not like this stagnant thing.
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It doesn't stay forever the waythat people portray it but it
also doesn't really leave you,it kind of just comes in waves.
So if you're in a position whereyou're grieving and you feel
stuck, just know it's gonna comein waves and be patient with
yourself.
Maybe give yourself permissionto feel those little moments of
joy or recant good things orlaugh at some of the hardships.
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Even sometimes the people whoare in the situations, like our
mother particularly, who washaving really hard moments with
herself, coming to terms withthe fact that she might not live
past those two weeks where itbecame really difficult.
Even she was cracking jokes, youknow?
And some of it was from fear andsome of it was from like, you
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can't just stop living justbecause you might be dying.
Because we all are dying, right?
Yeah.
But that's why it's so importantto be able to allow yourself to
feel, the plethora of emotions.
And sometimes it feels if welaugh or we dream or we're being
creative, that it can beirresponsible during hard times.
But grief and laughter are notopposites, they're companions on
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the emotional rollercoaster ofbeing alive.
And it create a sense ofvulnerability, which is really
interesting when you reallythink about it.
Because when you laugh, you'reputting your guard down.
Like when you're sharing humorwith people, you're putting your
guard down and you're showingyour humanness to each other and
like grief cracks us open andlaughter kind of helps us stitch
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ourselves back together.
These little giggles are healingmoments for us in the process.
And it's not just with grief,fear, stress, uncertainty, all
of those things.
Both can coexist at the sametime.
How has this podcast challengeor shifted the mindset for you?
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Doing this was a reminder.
It was like a very powerfulreminder, things don't have to
be siloed, they can coexist.
And there is a purpose for doingboth at the same time, for
taking on like a creativeproject that, which kudos to us,
we've both been very committedto, following through on.
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By taking that on during a timewhen we're giving 90% of
ourselves to caregiving andother things.
It was such a necessary outletthat we probably didn't even
realize that we needed as muchas we did.
And then we started to have somuch fun doing it.
And it just became somethingthat we looked forward to.
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Something that's like kind of asuperpower of both of us is that
we have always had this abilityto find the light in the dark.
I love really like edgy darkcomedians.
There's something so catharticabout the fact that we live in
this space where you can findthe contradiction, the humor
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lives within the contradictionof the statements but if you
listen to the entirety of thejoke, the contradiction exists
within it.
And so I think that is somethingthat's really been like a
superpower of us is like, wefind the contradictory moments
within the seriousness of whatis occurring, on a subconscious
level that we're able to giggleand laugh and make silly jokes
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to kind of just like take theedge off.
Yeah because laughter is reallya healer, right?
It's such a healing modalitylike.
I think biologically scienceproves it releases all the good,
feel good chemicals in our body.
But there's something reallysacred about it like if we let
joy do its sacred work, it doesremind us that we're alive.
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That we're connected and we arecapable of finding light even in
the dark.
And it's like if you can't laughat life, then what are you even
doing?
The people that carry themselvesthrough life without joy and
laughter, I can't even imaginewhat that is like.
I feel like I've used laughteras a tool since being a kid and
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experiencing hardship as a kid,but always being able to laugh
with people and find thosemoments where you can do that.
It does, like you said, it shedslight on something that is very
heavy and very dark.
And then it gives you a momentto breathe in that and it
creates connection'cause likewhen you can laugh with other
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people, like you're connectingwith them beyond words.
I really do think that justcomes from life experience and
loss and grief and hardship.
And not everybody experiencesstuff that gives them that tool.
So sometimes if you know you'renot particularly skilled in that
area, or you're not familiarwith those kind of tools, having
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or leaning into friendships thatyou may have or close companions
that you have that exhibit thosetools is really helpful too
because they can be the onesthat kind of provide the comedic
relief to the hardship of life.
Finish the sentence, I used tothink dreaming during hard times
was blank, but now I know it'sblank.
I used to think dreaming duringhard times was selfish.
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And now I know that it's anecessary superpower.
Dreaming encompasses the idea oflike joy and creativity and
humor, if you can tap into that,it's a superpower.
Like you will be much better offbeing able to utilize whatever
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part of that you can than if youjust ignore it and feel like,
oh, it's selfish or shameful.
I agree with that.
So essentially kind of whatwe're saying is creativity it
really is a lifeline.
It reminds us that beingcreative and that the importance
of continuing to do somethingisn't fluff, right?
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It's medicine and all of thatkeeps us grounded and reminds us
who we are and sometimes.
You tap into parts of yourselfthat are more creative than you
ever thought you could be.
You're learning a new skill.
Like we learned how to do allthis stuff from scratch, really?
We had no clue what we weredoing, we messed up intros,
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deleted full episodes byaccident.
Yeah, glitched out.
Deleted.
It still hurts.
I think one of the times I gotso mad.
Yeah, you did.
And Mitch was like.
Let's just, it's okay.
Let's just rerecord it.
We'll do it right now.
And I was like, no.
I packed up my stuff and I left.
I was so mad.
I was like, I can't believe weput all this effort into this.
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And then it just like didn't panout.
Yeah.
But I had to let it go.
And also, that's part of thehardship that I was saying,
creativity is great and it's funand it's worth it, but it is not
easy cause there's moments likethat that happen and you have to
be able to just keep rollingwith the punches.
And showing up anyway and givingyourself permission to be joyful
and to reconnect with, our ownvoices in this case'cause we're
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both doing this as a duo.
Yeah.
One of the biggest takeaways isreconnecting to your voice,
because I do think that whenyou're in crisis mode or you are
caregiving or you're facing atime of hardship, we tend to
shift into people pleasing mode.
And in that we automaticallybecome a little disconnected
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from our own voice.
And then we become taken over bywhatever event is unfolding in
front of us and when you'reputting everything on hold, even
more so.
Doing something like this,specifically the podcast.
And I think this is true forboth of us, it helped us to stay
connected, like to come back toour voice and even more so like
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find our voice in the chaos.
Yeah, true.
Even if where you are is in ahospital waiting room,
whispering ideas between doctorupdates.
If you've got a dream, don'twait for things to be perfect.
I think create from where youare.
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That's another lesson learned.
If we weren't in this space ofhardship and we had the
conversation of, hey, we shoulddo a podcast, do you think we
would actually have done it?
You had the idea of doing apodcast, I think that's the
first time I heard it was fromyou.
And then when you came to thething like, we should do a
podcast, I was like, okay, andthen I just dove in.
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Yeah.
I don't think it would've cometogether in the way that it did
if we were waiting for theperfect time.
It's almost like the timingpresented itself.
Everything stopped just enoughfor us to say, well, we should
do something with this energyand so it's like you had an
outlet, you knew what you weregonna do, and then you're like,
you basically invited me to bepart of this version.
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The different levels of healingthrough a creative project.
And specifically for us doing apodcast, because if we think
about being women podcastersbeing Latina podcasters coming
from the families that we camefrom where people didn't talk
openly a lot about.
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Still don't talk.
About very much of anythingbesides chisme..
So giving voice like by usingour voices in this way, it's
also doing some generationalhealing.
It even like has encouraged ourmom to talk more about some
things with us.
Yeah, it is generationalhealing, and it does give our
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mother more courage to talkabout things maybe she never
thought she could.
Another thing I wanna say too islike, it's making me recognize
how many women probablythroughout our lineage, who were
never asked these questions.
Right?
Like no one ever was curious toask them.
Or even felt like they had thefreedom to speak openly about a
lot of these things.
Whatever the case is, it's veryhealing to have intentionally
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put ourselves in this position.
I'm very grateful for it.
I like, I love what we're doingwith the podcast and more
importantly, I love the effectsthat it's having on us.
And it's validating a lot ofexperiences cause as women, I
can say this confidently, we'relike the secret keepers of
everyone's junk.
I also mean this by like livedexperiences.
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Like if things go wrong, peopleexpect you never to speak about
it.
It's shunned to speak about itand this is from all walks of
life, right?
Even in professional settings,relationships, friendships, like
we are secret keepers.
And that's just part of the gig,unfortunately.
And so I think this is like areally beautiful way to kind of
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break out of those molds andchallenge a lot of those
structures.
Let's also talk about howcreativity is far more than just
feeling artsy.
It's a scientifically recognizedcoping strategy.
It can intensify and channelemotional processing.
As Andy mentioned, if fostersresilience and psychological
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growth, especiallypost-traumatic growth.
It boosts emotional wellbeing instudents and during crises and
it's predictable and measurable,across cultures and various
settings.
It is science back proven it'sin the research.
Yeah and whenever you're takingon a creative project, I think
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that's.
If you're really payingattention, that's probably the
most powerful takeaway is theimpact that it's having, not
only on you, but other parts ofyour life, including your family
and your lineage.
Let's get into a little bit ofreflection about the podcast,
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because I think that'sspecifically what the big
creative outlet was for us goingthrough crisis.
How effortless the act ofconversation is with you about
topics that I never speak about.
Hmm.
Like sexy stuff.
Yeah and how it's kind ofbleeding in other areas.
Now I'm like sharing with likecertain people that I was more
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reserved with.
I'm like, oh my God, have youseen that one show where they're
all naked?
Like, they're like, what are youtalking about?
That sounds weird.
I'm like, yeah, it sounds weird,but watch it and then report
back.
But then it's not weird anymoreonce you watch it.
Yeah, so I think that's a bigone, is just like, the ease of
transitioning back to being socomfortable with myself that I'm
open about talking about thingsthat i've just kind of held
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close to my chest.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
What about you?
Two things one is, the level ofcompatibility between us as
sisters.
Like seeing how we're sodifferent from each other but it
like compliments each other in areally weird way.
And so it's this balance, itfeels like we're like the
seesaw, we're on each side,right?
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Two are like the aha momentswhere sometimes I think I'm
gonna talk about one thing, butI'll say something else and then
later I'm like, why did I saythat?
And then how much you learnabout yourself and your level
of.
Of comfortability and storiesthat you tell about your life.
Is there an episode or momentthat's felt most true to you or
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an episode that we've done sofar that's like your favorite?
The sister one that was myfavorite because like the vibe
is just, there we're likelaughing, having a good time.
It was very effortless inediting because it's like, it
was just really funny.
I think the ones where we laughthe most are my favorite.
Yeah, agreed.
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It's interesting when you'redoing podcasting because you
kind of have to find your flow.
And I know that some people arevery heavily scripted because I
like to do research.
I did a lot of research on likepodcasting and setting up
episodes.
And some people are very heavilyscripted.
Some people are not scripted atall.
They're just winging it.
And I feel like we found like amiddle ground where we wanna
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have a sense of what we wannatalk about but then it feels
effortless and it does feelnatural.
And sometimes we don't evenfollow what's in front of us
we're just like, okay, we'regonna go rogue and talk about
whatever.
But I do think the times whenwe're getting in the groove and
we're just flowing withconversation and the energy's
right.
We've had just the right amountof caffeine.
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Just the right amount of food.
All of the above.
How do you think we staycreatively inspired?
Because we do get tired.
We are busy in life, we have alot of other things going on.
Uh, yeah, I don't know.
I'm really trying to figure thatone out.
If you think you're gonna gointo being like this creative
person and it's gonna be likereally easy.
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It's like, no, it takes, ittakes work in the form of
dedicating time to it and then,and making sure that you, you
show up and do what you sayyou're gonna do.
Mm-hmm.
Which is sometimes harder forpeople than it is for others.
So what I feel emotionally, interms of like joy and happiness
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that I get out of being creativeis worth it.
So much so that I will becreative in uncomfortable spaces
or tense spaces despite.
And I can say this for manycreatives, but for myself with
this one, what makes this evenmore exciting is that this is
such an easygoing situation.
And so I think because it'slight, giggly, fun, the work is
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worth it.
What about you?
I think it's because it's fun.
I really enjoy doing it.
It's, I think it's using ourbrain cells in new ways.
So it's making us think andlearn new skills that, hey, we
can now produce podcasts allover the world if we wanted to
'cause we know how to do it.
Just saying hire us as a duo..
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Yeah like I think it's feedingour brains, it's feeding our
souls, it's feeding our spiritand I just enjoy doing it.
Like to give up a, a half a dayor a day to work together and
record and do all the editingand things that we need to do
for it on the back end.
It's fun for me.
And so because it has that joyattached to it, it feels easier
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to stay inspired and to jumpinto creativity because it's
meaningful mm-hmm.
In a like, joyful way, right.
And I do think that's important.
If you're gonna pick a projectto work on, that joy does need
to be one of the elements of it.
In order for it to really befulfilling and meaningful for
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you.
Yeah.
There's actually an equation forthis.
It's creativity equalsimagination multiplied by
action.
So imagination is the ability tothink of the possibilities and
action turning thoughts intoreality.
If you were to identify thecritical elements of creativity.
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Those probably vary betweenpeople, but for the most part, I
would say joy needs to be one.
And I think from that comespurpose and meaning.
And then there has to be actiontoo, right?
Yeah, you know what'sinteresting is, like you say
that, and I think it's differentfor everyone.
I agree with that because I,meaning does come sometimes
ahead of time of the act ofcreating for me but a lot of
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times it comes after.
Mm-hmm.
So sometimes, like I'll write asong or a story or whatever.
I'll do something and then I'mjust doing it.
And then later I'm like, oh,wow, there's some real depth in
there, what the hell?
You know?
Yeah.
Like after the fact, and evenlike with the podcast episodes.
So, I think meaning does existin the initiating want to create
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something.
But it's deepened in theaftermath.
Yeah, it exists in the, in theinitiating act of wanting to
create, but the deep meaningresides in the result.
Is there anything that we'vesaid or done on the podcast that
you still think about?
Oh yeah.
I just hope my ex over hearsthat one episode.
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I think about that sometimes.
Who cares?
I feel like, yeah, if you'relistening, you know who you are.
Who cares?
We need to feel empowered totalk about whatever we wanna
talk about From our perspectivesbased on our experience.
Experiences.
Wow.
Look at us.
I know.
Look at us growing.
No, I meant because we finisheach other's sentences.
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Oh, sandwiches.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We each other's sandwiches.
Oh my gosh.
What about funniest or weirdestmoments while based on what
we've recorded so far?
We're like 15 episodes in.
I know, I actually went back andlistened to them, which I never
do that for any project.
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I went back and startedlistening to them.
I was like, oh, they're prettygood.
Oh, that one's really funny I dothe same thing i'm like, wow,
that's us.
That's pretty incredible.
I think it also helps buildconfidence too, because.
We as individuals get in our ownheads about things.
Yeah, a lot, especially whenyou're trying to do something
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creative and or you are going totake that leap and be vulnerable
and put it out to the publicwhere strangers are going to pay
attention to something thatyou've created and you can
create some weird story, butthen you hear it back and you're
like, oh, that's way better thanI ever thought it was or was
going to be.
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I think podcasting also teachesyou to just let go.
Because you have to free flowand again, you may in your head
think I'm gonna say this, I'mgonna say it this way, it's
gonna sound so amazing.
And then you do it and you'relike or something else comes out
and you're like, that's not whatI wanted to say.
But it just fit better anyways.
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And so there's a flow that youhave to just release and let go
and trust yourself.
And the more you do it, the moreyou trust.
Now we just jump on.
We're like, what are we say?
What are we talking about?
I don't even read the questionsahead of time.
Because we've built a differentlevel of trust in ourselves and
each other.
In the process to just gowherever the conversation takes
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us, even if it's not where weinitially thought it was gonna
be.
I like that more than anything Ilike things that feel authentic
and I think that you do too.
And that's kind of why we'relike, no bs, no filler.
Yeah, also in a head space whereI'm done performing, I'm done
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being performative.
Right?
It's more of, we're taking somuch goodness away from this
experience.
That the people that are gonnalisten and relate are gonna find
it, and they're gonna listen andthey're gonna relate and they're
gonna really enjoy it as much aswe do.
And the people that don't won't.
And that's okay.
Get outta here.
Scram.
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Actually, don't we need you tostay and listen?
No, please subscribe and sharewith 10 of your friends.
We have a lot of bloopers.
Because, you know, sometimeswe're over caffeinated and then
it's like, or sometimes I say areal name and I'm like, no
retract, retract the real name.
Yeah, we're trying to protectthose who are not volunteering
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to be.
Except for Monica in that oneepisode she's out there, but
there's a thousand Monicas andyou'll never know which one.
Oh my God.
What's an episode that almostdidn't happen, but you're glad
it did.
The fashion fails.
Yeah.
I was really against it andthen, and then Andy convinced
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me, and I'm glad it, I'm glad itdid happen because after the
people that I've listened to itso far that we know have like
really responded to it and likefelt really empowered to be like
their own little fashionistas.
Yeah, you were so against it.
I really was.
And then it actually ended upbeing good.
I think one of the ones that Iwas like on the fence of was pet
peeves because I thought we'regonna sound like two crazy old
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ladies, but it's actually reallyfunny.
Like I really enjoyed listeningto it, and got a lot of good
feedback about it.
So you just never know, right?
Listen, we're not here to pleaseanybody.
We're just trying to beourselves, that's all we can do.
The best we can do in life is bethe best version of us.
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And if you like it, great and ifyou don't, I don't care.
And at times the worst versionof us, which makes it so, yeah
which makes it sometimes thefunniest.
Yeah.
Well the best version of me alsomakes a lot of mistakes.
There you have it.
You got it.
I'm the Chaos sister.
Have you heard that episode?
You know, I thrived in thetornado of life.
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So we've learned a lot of newskills we've talked about that
editing, interviewing eachother, marketing, you know, who
knows where it'll go next, butwhat's something you think you'd
do differently if we werestarting over today?
Nothing really.
We were chatting about it'causethere was no expectation and now
there's like a little bit ofgrowth and like a little bit of
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like cool things happening.
People actually listening.
It's just nice and I still don'thave like these incredibly rigid
standards, and I think that'swhy it's so free right now.
I wanna keep that mentalityabout it, for as long as
possible.
But it's also exciting to hearthat people are actually finding
it and that people are listeningand relating and it makes me
(39:34):
feel like we're doing somethinggood in a world right now that's
pretty chaotic.
Yeah and that was really part ofour initial goal.
When we talked about like, whatwas the purpose behind it, not
realizing all the other thingswe were gonna get out of it.
But when we were trying to buildthe basic structure of the
podcast, it was, we just want tobe some good in the world.
(39:58):
And help people feel connectedand seen and heard as just
ordinary people living ordinarylives.
And if we could be a spark ofjoy for somebody, then wow we've
totally made it.
We've done it.
We've done it.
We've done our job.
Realizing that we were doing alot of that for each other, and
also recognizing that there'sjust not enough of that out
(40:19):
there.
And to be two women doing it, ifthese men can get online and
show up they're.
The worst opinions ever, let'sbe real.
And talk about nonsense, then wecan do the same thing and do it
better.
Uh, except not nonsense facts.
(40:40):
Okay?
We're based in mostly science,sometimes opinion, a little bit
of emotion and some chaos, thebest.
The best recipe for people whoare thinking about maybe doing a
podcast or are interested,what's something that you would
want them to know?
I'm not gonna share any of mysecrets with you.
Secret sauce.
(41:00):
What you said earlier, reallyresonated with me is that it's
work.
Like be consistent, bededicated.
Have fun with it'cause if you'renot having fun with it, then
what are you even doing?
And know that Yeah there's alittle work that you're gonna
have to put into it, you know?
Yeah.
Anything that's quality takeseffort and so you just apply
(41:24):
that equation to anything inlife, a relationship, a podcast,
an art project, a funeral.
And what I will say too is westarted with like cheapy basic
mics that we still use fromAmazon you don't have to invest
a ton of money.
You can start with as many ofthe free, easy, low cost tools
and it all works the same.
That is one bit of advice that Iwould give to somebody who wants
(41:46):
to start something, whether itbe a podcast or anything else.
Just start.
Like Andy mentioned right now,if you're doing a podcast,
there's free tools out there.
There's a lot of programs thatmay it really easy to streamline
things that are affordable.
You don't have to get like, thewhole setup with an interface
and a mixing board and all thethings, you can get some small
mics and kind of work your wayup to those things.
(42:08):
And there's free softwares youcan use.
Yeah.
But the really what I wouldadvise is like, make sure that
you create something that soundslike you.
So whatever you're doing, it hasto sound like you, and you don't
want it to be like this robotic,boring thing, you want it to be
interesting and fun just likeyou probably are.
And you might not be.
(42:28):
And then if you're not, thenlike, don't do a podcast.
Do something else.
Wow.
Do do something else that's funbut do something else that like
still like makes you likejoyful.
What about our next levelvision?
What are we dreaming of next?
I tend to thrive when I'mtelling no one what I'm doing,
and I just show them what I'vedone.
Yeah.
(42:48):
I've noticed that with everycreative endeavor.
If I overshare prior to actuallycompleting it, the things will
always shift and change in eband flow.
And so I like to, I like to justcontinue to do things and then
be like, Hey, surprise, lookwhat I've done.
And also I'd love to hear whatpeople wanna hear.
Like if there's certain thingsthat you really love that we've
(43:08):
done or you would love to hearus do, send it to us in a DM and
it might show up at some point.
How do we want our listeners tofeel after each episode?
Like, Hmm.
Oh expression.
No worries.
What's the word for that?
There's a German word for it,for sure.
Yeah.
(43:29):
It's like, I don't know if thereis a word for it specifically,
but like that sense of likecalm, joy, confidence.
You know the way that you feelwhen you feel like, oh yeah, I
get it, and somebody gets me.
(43:50):
Yeah, it's called ausatmen whichis a German word to exhale
calmly.
Yeah, like a sense of calm,peace, joy, you know, like A
joyful contentment, right.
Also like an an excitement tolike hear the next thing or
share something that came up foryou when you were listening with
(44:12):
somebody else and like to spreadthe joy.
And to continue the conversationbeyond our podcast.
Like that's the dream.
To take what we're dishing outand hand it out to other people
too.
That'd be nice.
It's like when you're in line,like when you're in line buying
food or you're at Starbucks andthen the person in front of you
(44:32):
pays it forward.
And that little like excitementthat you get when you're like,
they paid for me.
And then the dread that you'relike.
How much is the person's behindme though?
100%.
We want you to fill that.
Just the first part, not thesecond part.
In terms of how do we want ourlisteners to feel after each
episode?
I want them to feel like if theysat in a conversation with two
(44:54):
of their closest friends.
Yeah.
Warm.
Even if you weren't able tospeak, sometimes in those
moments where you leave andyou're like, the hilarious crap
that they just said, or the funstuff that they, or the heavy
stuff that they just said gaveyou that card to be human.
To feel like you can beyourself.
Yeah'cause we're grown women,like there's probably a lot of
people who are listening to thisand they feel some sort of the
(45:17):
mix of things that we'reunpacking.
To have that outlet that Ididn't have when I was younger
or that you maybe didn't feellike you had at certain points
in your life where you justneeded another grown woman to
say, yeah, it's totally fine,you're Even when shit's falling
apart and you're getting yourhands messy, you're still okay.
And you're gonna be okay.
Yeah.
That would be really, reallygreat.
(45:38):
Yeah.
Then I would know we succeeded.
Yeah what is it called?
Fail forward, do thingsimperfectly, take chances you
know, embrace yourself.
I had a moment where I was like,are you just saying adjective?
Adjective?
Third thing here.
I agree with that, I love thatanswer 100%.
(46:01):
We want it to feel like you justhad a cup of coffee with someone
that just made you feel good,and heard you and saw you, and
there's a sense of warmth andjoy that goes with that and a
relief.
So if you're listening to us andyou're thinking, that's batshit
crazy, you are right.
(46:23):
And now is the time, maybe nowis exactly the time.
That moment it was just like, itwas the perfect moment to say,
Hey, we should do this togetherbecause, one, we're having
really great conversations'causewe're spending all this time
together and really bonding.
And two, somebody somewheremight be able to relate to that
(46:45):
and we can share that out andlaugh with other people and,
normalize a lot of what we'reexperiencing.
After all, we're just humans.
We are just humans.
Alright, here's your reminder.
You don't have to earn your joy.
You don't have to wait to bestable or done healing before
(47:06):
you create, even in the midst ofchaos.
If we can make a podcast in themiddle of a heart crisis,
literally, you can follow thatdream that's been poking at you
silently in the back of yourmind.
So we wanna know what is yourdream?
Share it, we wanna hear it.
And hey, send this to someonewho needs this reminder that
(47:29):
their dreams matter, especiallyin the midst of uncertainty and
they should start as soon asthey feel they're ready.
Your dreams aren't just storiesyou tell at night.
They're blueprints for what'spossible.
See you next time.
Bye bye.
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