October 8, 2025 • 48 mins
Is it intuition… or illusion? ✨
In this week’s episode, two sisters, two generations, and one slightly haunted microphone dive into the world of psychics, mediums, tarot cards, aura readings, and energy healing—and ask the question: are they real, or are they just mirrors reflecting what we already know deep down?
Andi and Mich share their own stories (including one jaw-dropping prediction that actually came true), explore the cultural roots of spirituality and skepticism in Latina families, and talk about how practices like curanderismo and santería blend with modern “woo.” From family healers who read cards and mixed potions to tech glitches that felt a little too coincidental, this episode mixes humor, heart, and a healthy dose of side-eye. 👀
You’ll hear:
- The most surprising psychic predictions we’ve ever received
- How grief, curiosity, and healing draw people to mediums
- The fine line between scam artists and gifted intuitives
- What Ted Lasso got right about psychics (yes, really)
- Plus, our “Would You Believe If…” hot-seat game featuring soulmates, pets, and past lives
Whether you’re a believer, skeptic, or somewhere in between, this convo is equal parts cosmic and coffee-fueled. Because sometimes the real magic isn’t in the cards—it’s in the conversation. 💫
So grab your cafecito, shuffle your deck, and tune in.
If you’ve ever had a reading that made you laugh, cry, or completely rethink your life choices—we want to hear about it!
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Welcome back to Andy and Mitch,the podcast where two sisters,
two generations, and two verydifferent group chat vibes come
together.
Today we're talking aboutsomething that's a little woo, a
little taboo, and maybe just alittle too accurate at times,
Psychics.
Yep.
Mediums, tarot cards, energyreaders, the whole thing.
Are they scams or are theyspiritual guides, or are they
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just a way to help us see thingsin ourselves that we can't
always see on our own?
We'll share our own stories ofseeing psychics, what we've
learned or didn't, and whetherthe magic is real or the real
magic is just in reflection.
So grab your cafecito, shuffleyour tarot deck, and let's dive
in.
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We talk about this a lot.
Just in everyday generalconversations and I've noticed
that, it's become moremainstream.
You see a lot of these topics onsocial media, a lot of tarot
readers, oracle readers, mediumsand it feels like it's become
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more mainstream and morepotentially acceptable and
accessible to people.
I looked it up and I was sofascinated to find statistics on
how many people consult withsome sort of psychic or tarot
reader or fortune teller atleast once a year.
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And in the US alone, it's over30%, 20% engage for
entertainment, 10% believe thatthe practices give them helpful
insights and according to thisstudy, only 1% say they rely a
lot, quote unquote, on thesepractices for major life
decisions.
And this is based on justresearch in the us.
I'm sure it looks different ifwe look globally.
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I think a lot of people wouldprobably refrain from saying
that they go to a psychic'causethere can be negative
connotations, especially if youcome from like a religious
background and then on the flipside, depending on what culture
you're part of and you've beenraised upon, it's a little bit
more embraced.
So it just depends on which sideof the spectrum you're coming
from.
A lot of the common.
Types of psychic and orspiritual practices'cause that's
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kind of how they're labeled islike tarot readings or oracle
readings, astrology is a big onethat's also in that category.
We've talked a lot about that,which is really crazy'cause I
feel like I haven't seen a palmreader in like forever, but
apparently it's still a verypopular thing.
Mediumship, mediums, are folkswho can communicate via various
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senses, with spirit or with thebeyond.
Aura readings is very popular,especially that's become very
trendy.
Spiritual and energy healing hasalso spiked in recent years,
which is like Reiki energysessions, there's all different
kinds of energy healers, andthen you have the traditional,
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ancestral practices likeshamans, gurus, so on and so
forth.
And that's just a probably ashort list.
I'm sure under each of thosetopics, there are 10 other
modalities that exist.
So it's gonna be reallyinteresting to deep dive into
this topic but here we go let'sgive it a shot let's see where,
Spirit takes us.
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Funny enough, we tried to recordthis episode.
I mean we set the tone, we sagedthe space.
We had our cards, we were readybut Spirit said"hell no." While
it was processing, it justcompletely disappeared and even
tech support could not find it.
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So we're gonna give it anothershot.
And again, no sleep wired andtired.
Honestly these circumstances arein which the best conversations
in my life have happened.
I've had the most epiphaniesbeing completely unhinged on
caffeine.
Let's do it.
So Mitch, let's get down to thenitty gritty.
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What led you to wanna see apsychic?
I didn't want to.
There, you have it folks.
To be fair, okay, hang on.
Let's backtrack, when I was ababy, just kidding.
Our entire life, we have hadexperiences with people who have
higher than normal levels ofperception, empathy, very
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sensitive women.
Well, we have more women thanmen in our family.
We've come from a very, strongmatriarch.
What were some of your earliestexperiences around like
psychics, mediums, those kindsof connections?
My first experience was somerandom lady who walked up to me
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and wanted to do reading.
I went into her little officespace in Venice Beach, with a
friend, she read for him firstand then she read for me and
then when she read for me, shewarned me when he had left the
space to never speak with himand then it turned out not too
long after that experience, hegot arrested cause he made bad
choices.
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So she was right.
She was right.
We have a grandma who refused toread my cards out of everyone in
the family, which I'll neverunderstand and then she died,
really upset about that, don'tcome for me, grandma.
Which is so weird.
Yeah, she read everybody else'sand then, we have an aunt who
well, throughout my life hasdone some type of readings or
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guidance sessions to kind ofjust answer questions that I
have or help and then the firstreal paid scenario.
Would've been the lady that yougifted?
Yeah, so I gifted Mitch a fullon the psychic reading.
That included just kind of ageneral ask questions about your
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future or your life and amediumship.
Yeah she was very sweet, it wasvery informative, she gave me a
lot of fun information andshared some details about my
experiences that kind of like: "girl who are you talking to? (06:06):
undefined
Did my sister give you thenotes?
Is she punking me right now?" Idefinitely approached every
single scenario from a place ofcuriosity and wonder.
I like the idea that there arepeople that are more in touch
with their senses and they canmaybe kind of guide us, or give
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us like a nudge in the rightdirection.
That's kind of a cool, romanticway to look at life.
(Intro starts playing randomlyin the middle of recording and
shocks both Andy Mitch) Welcomeback to Andy and Mitch, the
podcast.
We're two sisters."(Continuingto record after correcting audio
issues.) So no lie, I don't knowwhy, if it's just the topic, but
we're having weird technicaldifficulties.
We mentioned earlier, the firsttime we tried to record this, it
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recorded but then when it wasprocessing to save, it
disappeared and deletedcompletely.
Yeah.
And nobody could find any traceor remnants of it, even tech
support and they were surprisedthat they couldn't pull it.
And now we're trying to record,and there's just like weird
technical overlaps, so we'rejust gonna flow with it, you
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know what I'm saying?
You know, spirit be spiriting.
We're just gonna be keeping itnice and lite.
I mean, I agree with you.
I do think that if you canapproach it from a place of
curiosity and wonder and justkind of be open then, then it
can be helpful.
It can be useful.
Did you believe her?
I did.
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And there was a part at the endwhere she's like, I see you
traveling a lot in your latethirties, early forties.
I'm like, time is ticking, outof the United States.
So it was really interesting andI mean, it, it'll be interesting
to see how it all plays out.
I think for me it's like I don'ttake things as like finite or
definite but it's cool again, tojust kind of wonder and to see
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the possibilities, even ifthey're not from your own mind's
eye.
For you growing up, what wasyour impression of psychics,
compared to your experienceswith them?
I remember at a very young agebeing exposed to our
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grandmothers in different ways.
Who dabbled in these kind ofextracurricular activities
around spirituality, energy,healing, psychics stuff, tarot
cards and Smo, which twodifferent sides of the family.
Two different belief systems.
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One side of the family, our onegrandmother, she had been raised
more around Santeria and so herpractices were very ritual like,
it was like people would come toher for like different reasons,
I need money, or so and so sick"you know, whatever the thing was
that they were trying to fix andso she'd create little potions
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and little jars for a ritualthat people could do to help
heal the wound or address theissue that they had, and then
people would pay her for that.
And she was like known locallyin the community.
And I remember one of the firsttimes it really clicked for me.
I was maybe elementary schooland a woman had come because
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she, wanted, there was someissues around love and potential
cheating, wanted to make sureshe could keep her man.
Basically that's the summarizedversion.
So I watched my grandma go intoher closet and get all these
things, I don't know what allthe stuff was.
She had like jars and all kindsof stuff, herbs and different
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spices and different things, andput together a little jar and
then gives it to the lady andgives her directions and then
the lady's like, so thankful shegives her cash.
My grandma sticks it in her brabecause that's traditional bank
accounting back in the day.
A woman's original bank account.
Yeah, your bra, your mattress,something like that.
She stuck it in her bra and Iwas like, oh crap.
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She's a hustler.
She's a witch doctor.
Like she hustled for real.
She really did.
She was getting paid for hergifts.
And a lot of people would cometo her for that.
And then on the flip side ourother side of the family.
That grandmother was moreconservative, a little more
quiet, she worked as a nurse, sonatural healer in so many ways.
A lot of history with her also,and indigenous practices and
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curanderismo natural healing.
She definitely had the gift ofsight and insight and she had
her tarot cards.
So we had seen her tarot cardsgrowing up.
She didn't really talk aboutthem a lot.
She didn't really pull them outand be like, oh, let me read
your cards every time she sawyou.
It was like a very rare thingfor her to do that.
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Mm-hmm.
But she would do it for peoplethat knew her or that she felt
comfortable around and I neversaw her do it like as a whole
side gig but it was very much apart of who she was.
Yeah.
And she did it for family too.
Yeah.
And friends and things likethat.
Yeah, except me.
Except for you.
Maybe she felt like it wouldn'thelp you.
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She did have the gift of sight,she told our cousin that she
could not read for me and thatwas it and left it at that and I
was like, come on.
And her gift of sight was veryaccurate and she was a lot.
She did the cards, she read thecards for me when I was a little
bit older.
I was like in my very earlytwenties.
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The first time she ever read mycards and it was scarily
accurate because there arethings that, there's no way she
would've known about like, somedetails.
And I was very impressed.
10 outta 10.
People will pay you big moneyfor this.
You need to be putting thatmoney in that bra grandma.
Yeah you need to take a notefrom the other grandma and get
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your hustle on.
She would have dreams a lot andI remember her calling the house
and saying,"oh, what happened toyour mom?" And I'm like, what
are you talking about?
And she said, I had a dream thatyour mom was walking around
along a narrow stream and shefell down and broke her ankle.
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She calls early in the morning,so happened then that night
before Uhhuh, our mom actuallywas walking down a cluttered
hallway, tripped and fell andbroke her ankle.
So random.
And she used to call aboutdifferent things.
That's grandma little bitwondrous, little bit wonderful,
a little bit scary.
And then we had like tias otherpeople just in our neighborhood,
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you know, that would talk aboutdifferent things like that.
It was on TV a lot.
Like, what was it, the ninetieswith the Psychic network?
And then also, like WalterMarcado he did astrology.
Astrology.
The Monte Williams Show, sylviaBrown.
We're just, I'm just gonna putit, she might be one of our long
lost aunts but she's great and,and apparently she predicted
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COVID, the COVID outbreak.
I read something about that.
You asked me earlier like, doyou think people go to this
because of curiosity or for justentertainment And when we think
about that, like when we thinkback to watching somebody like
Sylvia Brown on tv.
It was like this new era of, newage stuff, that's what they used
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to call it, right?
The new age bookstores or theNew Age TV shows or TV episodes.
If we think back to that it wasboth, I think people were very
curious about it and still areespecially if it's maybe
something new or they haven'treally spent a lot of time
around and also it isentertaining.
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It gives you something fun tothink about and to play with a
little bit.
Yeah, there's even the new ones,Tyler.
He's the one like he'll touchobjects and then he also
scribbles.
Scribbles.
He does, he scribbles on thissheet.
He the automatic writing?
Yeah.
And it's like little scribbleson this sheet of paper.
And then he, he's telling youlike your deepest, darkest
secrets and you're like, what ishappening?
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How did that tell you that?
You, lemme see those scribblesTyler.
And then there's like somethingwhich I've heard of and I don't
know, angel channeling.
Which I find that fascinating...
um, what was the question?
Yeah, so I think like some ofthe reasons people like to kind
of turn to theseextracurriculars, as you said
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earlier some of it is culturalbased, some of it's like they
find a sense of spirituality inthe practice and the nature of
it.
Sometimes you just wanna amirror, you want to be able to
be asked the questions that youare not asked by your peers or
your immediate circles.
And it gives you that freedom tokind of engage in a different
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outcome of your life.
And then other times it's likegrief.
You're trying to soothe yourselffrom a terrible loss or
occurrence and then other timesit's just validation you just
wanna be validated that you'regoing in the right direction,
especially if you don't havelike a good support system, it
could be something that isutilized as a tool to find that
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validation outside of yourself.
Yeah.
From the show, Ted Lasso, if youhaven't seen it, great show.
Higgins is a character on there,there is an episode where they
touch on this idea of psychicsas like, are they charlatans or
are they actually helpful?
And he says this really greatquote and he says,"The universe
is full of things we can'texplain.
And psychics, even if some ofthem are charlatans, they can
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help us see something inourselves that we can't quite
see ourselves." And I thoughtthat was so well said because it
sums it up.
You know, it's like even ifthey're not really great at
being a psychic, it gives youthe mirror that you may need to
know or to hear, or to see or tounderstand something differently
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for yourselves based on whateverresponse they give you.
Even if it's not magical.
It can be meaningful.
I think most of my experienceshave been pretty magical.
Don't be jelly but I, I've seena few psychics in my time and
we'll continue to see more, I'msure.
I'm actually well overdue for apsychic reading.
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Although there's just so muchgoing on in the world that I'm
like, not sure that I want tohear the things.
I've gone to psychics fordifferent reasons, at different
points in my time, and I feellike they have all been fairly
accurate in different ways.
And what I have foundfascinating is that the ones
that I have seen have allreferred to this idea that we
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have multiple types of spiritaround us, whether that's loved
ones that have passed on.
Ancestors, including ones we'venever met, guides, angels, some
sort of council that's comprisedof a bunch of these different
people.
We have like a board ofdirectors basically on the other
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side.
That's a great analogy.
That's like helping us, tryingto keep us on track for whatever
our life path or purpose is.
Which, you know, we're not gonnaget into the weeds of all that
in terms of like beliefs aroundit, but I do think it's
fascinating that they all havesimilar ways of approaching
this, even though they kind oftalk about it a little
differently.
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There was one that was verymuch, into the angels and that
kind of stuff.
And then another that didn'treally talk as much about
Angels, but did talk about allthese other types of spirits
that can be around you,supporting you and guiding you
through life.
And that really piqued mycuriosity.
I was like, oh my gosh, tell memore.
I wanna know who these guidesare.
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I need to know what their namesare.
What do they look like?
Describe them.
Yeah.
What did they do in their pastlife?
How are we connected?
You know?
Yeah.
And you can really go down therabbit hole with all of that
stuff.
Our aunt, who is one of the onesthat is probably the more
impressive, people that I've hadto like, speak with on things,
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she's very, very, very, veryconnected and intuitive and all
that stuff.
She was the first person thatintroduced the concept of a
council.
Oh, it's a council of spiritguides.
And then she was like explainingwhat my counsel was called, who
they were, all these things.
And I was just staring at herlike, what?
Word?
That's cool.
I just have like an army ofpeople walking with me
everywhere, or floating in theircase.
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They're just floating.
Oh my god.
Mind blown.
The one, the first lady that Iever paid, she was really good.
She was the one that actually,told me I was gonna get sick.
So I have had cancer in mylifetime and at the time I
wasn't sick.
I was pretty healthy for themost part.
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I was doing fine.
So when she kind of told meabout it I dismissed it as,
okay, yeah, sure.
You're kind of reaching forsomething.
She gave me very detailedspecifics about how it was gonna
happen and how I was gonnaexperience it.
I wrote them down, I kept thejournal.
And then a little less than twoyears, maybe like a year and a
half later, those thingshappened exactly in the way that
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she said they would.
And I hadn't remembered that shehad told me that but I had gone
to the doctor, I was like beingdiagnosed, I was in the middle
of this very stressful process.
And my partner said, isn't thatwhat that psychic lady told you?
And I said, I don't think so.
He remembered that I hadmentioned it to him'cause it was
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a private session.
So I went and found the journalwhere I had taken the notes and
it was all there, exactly.
And mind you, by the time thishappened, this woman had passed
away.
That's crazy.
The details of it were like, itstopped me in my tracks like,
holy cow, and so based on that,I responded accordingly'cause
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one of the things she had saidto me was, you're gonna have to
push back.
You're gonna have to fight foryour care'cause you're not gonna
believe it and that startedhappening.
So I did push back and sureenough, I ended up having to
have major surgery and I spent afew years battling this and it
was something that she had toldme in my psychic reading with
her, that's wild.
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Yeah.
And then she also talked aboutlike a few of the guides that
were around me and she describedtheir personalities and it
totally matched and makes sensewith my personality, and so I
was like, you know, either A,this is true and accurate and
that's pretty crazy how then ifyou believe Spirit can influence
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you, or B, she's just reallygood at reading personalities
and how dare she?
It's probably a little bit ofcolumn A and B, you know,
because I mean, you can't readcancer out of a personality.
No.
So that's like, I mean, that's apretty big.
Is that a premonition?
Yeah, I guess so.
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Yeah, if she was still alive,I'd probably see her regularly
as my personal psychic.
You're like as my therapist.
Speaking of therapy, you didmention a really good point
about a lot of times people willgo to psychics, especially
mediums.
Who work with spirit and thebeyond, when they are in a place
or time of grief.
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Yeah.
I mean, it gives them theability to explore their grief
without shame.
Sometimes it gives them peace ofmind and sometimes it just
sincerely offers them closure.
Yeah.
In a way that other humanscannot.
Yeah.
When you lose a person ofsignificance, this is like
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pertaining more to loss of aloved one.
Everyone experiences their lossincredibly different from one
another.
It is an individual experience,there's no right way to grieve
the loss of somebody you love,there is only the way you
grieve.
Mm-hmm.
The only way to grieve is to gothrough it.
You know, sometimes it's harderfor some than it is for others
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and sometimes people grieve in avery lite and airy and beautiful
way, and others grieve in areally hard, dark, constraining
way.
And so I think when you're inthat.
This can be a tool to help youkind of move through some of the
mental barriers that happenthrough that process of moving
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through grief.
Yeah, for sure.
And, people can use them evenlater in life'cause I've had
some readings with the mediumdecades after the loss of some
of our loved ones.
It's almost like it, it felt insome way it was the right time
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now.
Even though it had been so long.
But I was in the place mentallywhere I was open to it and it's
like, okay, here's the righttime to touch on this and see
yeah, what's there?
And to see if any of thisinformation connects and
resonates.
And I do think the same one Igifted to you is someone that I
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had seen before.
And I only went to her becausefour other people had seen her
before.
Yeah.
And gave me, the referral and onas far as the mediumship part
goes, I felt like she was sospot on that it was a little
scary because I was like, ohdamn.
Like you are reading into mysoul right now and I'm not okay
with this.
And it was cool because she has,you do like a practice ahead of
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time where, where you like writedown questions and things that.
She gives you a whole thing todo before you meet with her that
you do privately just foryourself.
And when I met with her, she wasjust going through all the
things that I had written downwithout me having to ask and
that was crazy to me.
It was like, yeah, this person,this person.
Funny story because I'm full offunny stories and I'm hilarious.
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When I went to go see thisparticular psychic, my partner
is a healthy skeptic.
I think he's open to a lot ofthings, but there are certain
things that he's like, I don'tknow which ones you can trust
and which ones you can't.
Did something without telling meto see if it would come up in my
reading.
Oh yeah, that's right.
And it did.
So he did a shout out to hisfather who had passed away and
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basically said, if this personis legit, come through and give
me a sign.
And during my reading she wasdescribing a person that was
like very prominent trying totake over the room type way.
And I kept saying like, I don'tknow who this person is and then
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she gave me some additionalspecifics that, to describe him,
and it clicked that it was mypartner's father.
And I said, oh, I know exactlywho this is and so we kind of
went through the session.
At the end of the session, Itold my partner and he laughed
and then proceeded to explain tome that he asked his dad to do
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that.
So that he would have a signthat this person was legit.
Yeah.
That she wasn't full of it.
I mean, well, when you talk toher, you'll know right away and
she's not.
Oh yeah.
And I did find that it washealing in some ways,
heartwarming in others.
With some of the things as faras like mediumship and grief and
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loss and like kind of hearingsome of those things.
I think sometimes it can bereally hard and if you're not in
the right place then it canmaybe not benefit you as much.
But I do know a lot of peoplewho have gone specifically to
psychics and mediums in thehopes of getting some sort of
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healing, connection,confirmation about their loved
ones, making sure that they'reokay.
And what was interesting abouther too, which I really like, is
that she also does pets.
She does pet readings for peoplethat's who have lost their pets.
That's kind of how she came intothe realm at, at some point, was
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a, presentation that she did andshe was telling a story about
someone's dog, and literallybawling my eyes out, beautiful
story.
Yeah.
And you're like, oh my Godbecause I also have a dog.
You have a dog?
Yeah.
And like we're gonna be wrecked.
Destroyed.
Absolutely wrecked.
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I definitely don't wanna thinkabout that right now.
But it's okay we have a psychicwe can talk to.
What do you think about petscoming through about like seeing
a psychic to communicate withyour pets?
I mean, I will, bottom line,period, full stop.
I've had better connections withpets than I've had with most
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living people.
I think anything you love,anything you love that you lose
and then there's leftover lovethat you don't know how to
express.
You know, it can turn into painand so if you don't learn to
work through it and grieve it,it can really become detrimental
to your health, so I see it as atool.
How do you think, you know, if apsychic is legit versus being a
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scam?
Yeah.
Or someone who's just skilled atreading people.
Well I haven't seen enough toknow for sure.
Usually the people that I haveinteracted with, it's been like
they've said something verypointed, very direct and some of
the recounts of like,experiences that I've had or
things that I've said to people.
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Yeah, it's definitely in thedetails.
When they can tell you somethingthat there's no way they could
have known.
Like it's such a intricatedetail that it's like, where did
you get that from?
There's absolutely no way.
I went to see a psychic withsomeone that's a relative of
ours who wanted me to go formoral support and was seeking
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the psychic services for a loss.
Yeah.
And was really hoping to likeconnect in some way but she was
so nervous and so unsure.
That it didn't work out the wayshe hoped it would work out.
And what I appreciated aboutthat person was that they didn't
charge her.
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They didn't, try to scam her outof any money.
They were just like, I can tellthat this is not what you were
hoping for and that's okay.
We can just call it, I'm open tomeeting with you again at a
different time if you want, butas of right now, like it's all
good.
That's another strong point toolike if you're not getting
anything out of it and it isjust like a dead end, they
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shouldn't charge you becausethen they didn't actually
complete the service and if theydo charge you, then that's your
like, big red flag that maybedon't go back to them.
She didn't charge, so I wasimpressed with that.
I do think she was telling herthings that, were resonating but
I think because this person wasnot ready for it.
That they panicked and they kindof shut down.
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Some of this stuff can be kindof intimidating.
Here's the thing, right?
Like, think about being in aroom with somebody you don't
know, who's asking you to askyourself questions that you
never thought you should ask.
Mm-hmm.
Does that sound interesting toyou?
It sounds fun to me.
And for most people it soundslike a nightmare and or
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terrifying.
And they're also like, alsoremember that one girl who, who
slipped that one note to you along, long time ago about how
bad your hair looked and how younever forgave it.
And now you go to work andRebecca looks at you and you're
like, fuck you, Rebecca.
It's actually that girl, shedied and came back as Rebecca.
You're like, what the fuck?
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Oh hell no.
With a little bit of thatsprinkled in there.
I feel like when I've gone, Idon't usually go in with a ton
of questions.
Because I am, I, there is a partof me that is a little skeptical
'cause I'm not sure.
Right.
Like, if I haven't seen youbefore, or, you know, maybe not
enough people have recommended,then I'm gonna be a little
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skeptical.
I'm not sure if I can trust whatyou're telling me, or trust your
skill and ability just yet.
So it's almost like a test.
Intentionally go in with eithersome off the wall question that
I don't ask out loud.
Yeah.
Or I don't ask a ton ofquestions because I'm like,
entertain me.
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It's like that joke where you,where A person goes to a psychic
and knocks on the door and thepsychic goes, who is it?
So they left.
And I probably butchered thatjoke but you know, they left
because it's a psychic, theyshould have known.
But I do do that on purposebecause when I talk to friends
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who have gone to psychics ormediums or healers.
They always tell me about allthe questions that they ask.
Yeah.
And in my head, I'm like, yougave them too much information.
Rookie mistake.
Now they can put it together andfool you into believing
something because you actuallyset it to them first.
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And I always say, next time I'mgonna ask a ton of questions to
see if the experience isdifferent and then when I go, I
don't ask anything.
Also, some psychics are verybroad.
They don't get down into thedetails and in those instances
or the instances, like you'rereferring your friends that ask
a thousand questions.
Then I think it's like you areasking for guidance, you're
asking for, the permission toask yourself those questions.
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What you're really seeking isvalidation in those moments or
some kind of guidance.
And I think it's still worth it.
You have a lot of friends whohave gone to the psychics?
I have a handful of friends thathave gone to psychic and
healers.
Three friends that read theirown cards.
And then, you know, I have alittle, zoltar in my room.
So, in some communities,psychics, healers are deeply
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respected while others are seenas scams as we're kind of
talking on.
Is it possible that somepsychics are actually intuitive,
energetically sensitive butculture dismisses them?
Listen, everything is dependenton multiple variables.
It just is the way of life,right?
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Like for us, a lot of ourcultural background can be very
accepting of the spiritual andthe unknowns.
Because it is really part of alot of our familial practices
but then there's other parts ofour same culture that reject it
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and are afraid of it and areconnect it to something
negative.
And so in those environments, itis looked down upon.
If you practice, believe or evengo see a psychic.
So it varies but I do think thatthere are a lot of people that
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are very talented in what theydo, whether they're psychic, a
medium, an energy healer, a palmreader, a tarot reader.
There are a lot of people thatare really good and somehow
connected to something that wejust can't explain fully and
it's the same is true in everyother field, there are amazing,
excellent, wonderful doctors outthere.
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And there's some that are, eh.
There's amazing mechanics thatare like magical with cars, and
then there's mechanics that'lljust mess your shit up.
And then you're like, thank youfor nothing.
I gotta go to another mechanic.
Yeah.
It's just the way it is in anytype of practice or field.
And you, if it's something thatyou bring into your life and you
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wanna participate in and learnmore about, you just gotta be
careful and be smart about whoyou're going to, where you're
spending your money, what you'rebelieving, what you're not
believing, right?
You can't just give up yourautonomy and say, here psychic,
you make all these decisions forme.
You have to have a sense of kindof what you're looking for, what
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answers you're trying to seekfor yourself, and then it's like
bouncing some energy off ofsomebody to see if any of that
resonates with you.
Take what you want, leave whatyou don't kind of thing.
Indubitably, I agree, in fact, Ireally agree with that and that
resonates and it's true.
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I think it is very much like abuild a bear experience for
each.
What about like energy healers?
I know you haven't gone to onebut would you go to like a reiki
healer?
Like what do you think aboutthose kinds of things In the
spiritual realm.
There's this Asian man and hedoes energy healing and like
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people swear by him you have tofly into Singapore and then you
see this guy and like he doesall this energy and he doesn't
touch your body, but peopleswear that he heals them.
I was like, I'm just so curious.
Like they go to him and theyswear and he literally just like
pushes what looks like energyand the body moves but he
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doesn't touch them, blew mymind, blew my mind.
I was like, who is this?
How do I get there?
And then I like realize he'sprobably super expensive.
Yeah.
And I'm just a broke girl withdreams, you know?
I mean, I'm always curious aboutthat'cause I don't know how much
I fully believe and I do thinkit's experiential.
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So I haven't experienced that,you know?
But I've watched it, I've readinterviews about it.
I've talked to people who dolike energy healing kind of work
and I'm just like fascinated butis it the placebo effect?
Sometimes...
but sometimes these people gethealed from crazy things and if
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we think about itscientifically, right, we know
like energy is a real thing.
Yeah.
Like we are made of it.
It exists all around us.
It influences everything that wesee and experience in the world.
You're not even supposed to eatwith people you don't like'cause
then your body metabolizes yourfood improperly and it makes you
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sick.
Well, yeah.
Have you seen the riceexperiment?
I think they've done it withdifferent things, but, many
years this is like decades ago,I think.
I was in grad school and we readthis, study that was done on
rice.
Three jars of rice, you have thecontrol, and then you have one
jar where you just spew negativethings.
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So you're just sending negativeenergy to it every single day.
And then you have one where youare giving it nothing but
positive things.
And sending positive energy toit every day.
In the way of words'cause thestudy was also about what we say
to ourselves matters, but itlinked it to this idea of energy
that like that's connected toour energy source and our
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vibration.
And so the vibration is feltthrough and the one that got all
the positivity, never turned itstayed vibrant and good and then
the one that got all thenegativity started turning black
very quickly at a much morerapid pace than the control.
I think that, you know, that'sjust an example of the ways in
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which we can look at science andsay, this is real.
You know, will I fly across theworld?
I mean, I don't have that kindof money, but.
I'm like, if we become rich,we're flying, just for funsies.
I'm curious, I do believe thatenergy healing is a thing
because I've been around peopleand they also drain the life out
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of you.
Energy vampires.
Yeah.
If they can drain the life outtayou, there's some of them out
there that can heal you.
Energy is a thing.
I mean, it exists in our ownculture, right?
They use herbs and prayer and,smoke and other things as
rituals to cleanse and clearenergy blockages, spiritual
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blockages.
This is very ancestral, this isrooted in hundreds and hundreds
of years of practice or like ourother grandmother and her
practice.
They, there was a lot of, thatwas ritual to, cleanse energy.
You know, it very much exists inour own history.
Whether it's like some sort ofbridge that connects to the
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spirit realm, some energeticrealm, I don't know.
Even if you just take it uponyourself to give yourself your
own healing energy, right?
Like you're just sitting on aSunday afternoon, you're telling
to all your cells.
You're like, you guys are doinga great job.
So proud of you guys.
So proud of you.
We can turn it around in someareas, but come on, we got this.
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You're the jar of rice baby,you're the jar of rice.
But yeah, I do think it's allfascinating.
I've been curious about maybedoing reiki, but there's so many
people that do it and, again, Itake recommendations.
So if you have goodrecommendations, send them our
way'cause we will definitelycheck them out.
I haven't met someone who'sfound a Reiki practitioner that
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they felt passionate about thatdoesn't mean they're not out
there.
It just hasn't crossed my pathyet so I have not pursued it.
I'm very much a believer oflike, the universe is gonna
bring me what I need in my path.
(Random loud tapping noises fromupstairs) Well, that concludes
this conversation.
I think it's just the squirrels.
There was a tapping right now.
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Yeah.
It's the squirrels.
They collect acorns and theypile them up until they fall
down.
Okay.
Let's do a game.
Nothing like a game with spirit.
Not with spirit with us, spiritsit this one out.
All right, so we're gonna do ahot seat game.
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Would you believe if where I'mgonna read scenarios and you're
gonna tell me if you believe itor not.
Okay.
Okay.
Would you believe if a psychictold you your soul mate's name
started with a Z?
I mean, no, because it doesn'tbut for you maybe.
I don't know if I see you with aZach or a Zachary or a Zeke or a
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Zendaya, I dunno.
Oh, we love Zendaya Okay, wouldyou believe if they said you
were royalty in a past life?
Yes because I am a little snobbyand I have no reason to be.
Like, I grew up dirt poor, asdid you and like there is no
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memory in this lifetime ofneeding to feel that level of
entitlement.
That's funny.
But there's a part of me that'slike, I think you're meant to be
royalty.
So yeah, I believe it.
For me, I think so too but onlybecause I drink my, my drinks
really weird.
Royal hand type.
Yeah.
I do this with my pinky out.
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So at some point I was a royaltyor just an asshole.
Would you believe if they toldyou you'd be rich, but it would
come from something totallyunexpected like a viral TikTok
dance.
I mean, I'm pretty open.
I just think at my age, I'm notgonna be doing any viral TikTok
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dancing.
Am I gonna go make TikTokvideos?
Probably not.
I mean, I'd give it a shot atthis point, in this economy.
Would you believe if theypredicted your dog secretly
judged your life choices?
Yes.
Yours especially?
Yeah.
Mines does.
I don't think it's a secret.
You can see it on his face.
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Yeah and mine just gives judgyeyes.
If he had hair, he'd like swingit to the side.
Would you believe if they toldyou a celebrity crush was
actually your twin flame?
It depends on who it is.
Would you?
No.
Here's the thing withcelebrities, it depends on how
they became a celebrity but I dothink that most of what we see
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from celebrities is show.
So I don't know like I couldn'tname somebody because I don't
really know who these peopleare.
There's no celebrity that Iwould be like, oh, well no, he's
gone, he died, so no.
That's why you feel so lonely inthe world because your twin
flame is gone.
Rob Williams or like AnthonyBourdain.
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We gotta keep a close eye onyou.
Would you believe if they warnedyou about Mercury retrograde
messing up your love life?
I feel like a lot of people getwarned about this feel.
Yeah.
Some people very much believe inthe shifts, right?
And the stars and the moon andastrology.
Listen sometimes it's Mercuryretrograde, and sometimes you
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are your mercury retrograde.
As long as you know thedifference, then you're good.
Right.
Would you believe if theypredicted a mysterious stranger
would change your life atCostco?
Again, I can only be hopeful Ican only hope like a billionaire
just happens to be in Costco isconfused and lost.
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I help them because I'm so niceand everywhere I go, people
think I work there.
I don't know why, but thishappens to me every freaking
where I go.
And then they were like, wow,you're so helpful.
I'm gonna give you a hundredmillion dollars.
They change my life all thetime.
They give me free samples andthen sometimes I buy the thing.
Would you believe if theypredicted you'd live past a
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hundred, but only if you gave upCafecito?
I don't think I'll live anywherenear a hundred with or without
coffee.
And like, I don't know y'all,this body it's like really
struggling.
I'm pretty sure I'm dead if Ihave no coffee, now.
It's like embalming me while I'mliving.
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It really is, trying to wake upright now is like, a chore dude.
Would you believe if they saidyour house plants were carrying
messages from your ancestors?
I already know what your answersgo.
I talked to the plants, Ilearned this from our own
mother.
Who we used to think was alittle batshit crazy because she
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would sing to her plants andtalk to her plants when we were
growing up.
And she would always say, if youdon't do this, they won't grow
and they won't be happy.
And she always had good, healthyplants and then I tried taking
care of plants and they all diedbecause I didn't sing to them, I
didn't talk to them, I didn'tmake them happy.
So now we're doing that overhere.
We talk to our plants.
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I've got several plants and alittle mini indoor garden going
on.
They're thriving.
And they're doing well.
Whether they have messages forme, I don't know.
But I do think there's somethingreally, mindful, which can be
considered spiritual for somepeople.
When you're in community withplants, I do like to go hug a
good tree, you know?
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I don't know.
I'm always hoping for somewisdom.
I actually am kind of verysimilar to our mother and Andy
in this respect.
I love plants.
And I really believe that theyhear and they feel, and they
see.
I don't know how they see, but Iknow they see.
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I went to this one, art exhibita long time ago where the plants
were making music uhhuh, andevery time you touched the a
leaf it connected to a frequencyand then the frequency was
transmitted into an actualsound.
And so when you would pet theleaves of the plants, you were
making music.
It was a very beautiful thing, Ijust love plants.
You know, there's a lot of coolresearch being done about how
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spiritual and energetic plantsactually are.
Yeah, it's pretty fascinating.
I also believe too that thathealing the planet could be as
simple as us watering ourplants.
Yeah.
Because like they do the job ofcleaning the air and sometimes,
counties don't even allow us towater our plants and our trees
and shit and then they're alldying and like, they need water
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too, guys.
Little story time, I went intoan office space and all their
plants were dead when I hadfirst started.
That's bad energy.
They were like, your plant isdoing really well.
Everybody brought their plantsoutta the office and they
brought'em to me.
I healed every single plant.
Two of them were dead down tothe stump, fully grew back into
little trees.
Their energy was bad.
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I do think that if you bringplant a plant into a space, it
will tell you something aboutthe energy of that space,
depending on how the plantthrives.
Similar to like, they used totake the little bird into the
mines.
And that if the bird starteddying, then they knew that it
was toxic and they had to getout or it stopped singing and I
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do think that something similarwith plants is that the plants
are absorbing the energy in theenvironment.
And so if they start dying, itsays something about the space
itself.
Well, I brought them all backand then I left and apparently
they're dying.
Take that as you will.
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Alrighty.
So where do you land?
Skeptic believer, or somewherein the middle?
I mean, I think we all know thatI'm a believer with a healthy
dose of skepticism.
I definitely land somewhere inthe middle, leaning more to
believer.
Obviously I very much appreciatethat we had this like really
inclusive upbringing thatallowed us to explore these
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things very early on.
I'm also very aware that humansare humans and there's a lot of
people that have good intentionswith what they do and there's
also people that do not havegood intentions with what they
do.
At the end of the day, like thevalue isn't always in the
prediction.
But more so in the reflectionand what we're getting out of
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it, whether that's a psychic,you're seeing a medium, a palm
reader, an energy healer.
It's like, how is it gonna helpyou?
And if it's helping you in someway, then.
Go for it.
So whether your team's skeptic,team, spiritual, or team i'll
just pull one tarot card and seewhat happens psychics definitely
give us something to talk about.
Maybe they can predict yourfuture, but sometimes the real
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magic is what they spark insideyou.
Thanks for hanging out with uson this cosmic ride.
And if you've ever had a psychicmoment that totally blew your
mind or made you laugh out loud,we wanna hear about it.
Stay curious, stay caffeinated,and maybe your palms moisturized
in case someone wants torandomly read them, thanks for
tuning in.
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Bye.
Bye.
Welcome back to Andy and Mitch,the podcast where two sisters,
two generations, and two verydifferent group chat vibes come
together.
Today we're talking aboutsomething that's a little woo, a
little taboo, and maybe just alittle too accurate at times,
Psychics.
Yep.
Mediums, tarot cards, energyreaders, the whole thing.
Are they scams or are theyspiritual guides, or are they
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just a way to help us see thingsin ourselves that we can't
always see on our own?
We'll share our own stories ofseeing psychics, what we've
learned or didn't, and whetherthe magic is real or the real
magic is just in reflection.
So grab your cafecito, shuffleyour tarot deck, and let's dive
in.
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We talk about this a lot.
Just in everyday generalconversations and I've noticed
that, it's become moremainstream.
You see a lot of these topics onsocial media, a lot of tarot
readers, oracle readers, mediumsand it feels like it's become
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more mainstream and morepotentially acceptable and
accessible to people.
I looked it up and I was sofascinated to find statistics on
how many people consult withsome sort of psychic or tarot
reader or fortune teller atleast once a year.
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And in the US alone, it's over30%, 20% engage for
entertainment, 10% believe thatthe practices give them helpful
insights and according to thisstudy, only 1% say they rely a
lot, quote unquote, on thesepractices for major life
decisions.
And this is based on justresearch in the us.
I'm sure it looks different ifwe look globally.
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I think a lot of people wouldprobably refrain from saying
that they go to a psychic'causethere can be negative
connotations, especially if youcome from like a religious
background and then on the flipside, depending on what culture
you're part of and you've beenraised upon, it's a little bit
more embraced.
So it just depends on which sideof the spectrum you're coming
from.
A lot of the common.
Types of psychic and orspiritual practices'cause that's
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kind of how they're labeled islike tarot readings or oracle
readings, astrology is a big onethat's also in that category.
We've talked a lot about that,which is really crazy'cause I
feel like I haven't seen a palmreader in like forever, but
apparently it's still a verypopular thing.
Mediumship, mediums, are folkswho can communicate via various
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senses, with spirit or with thebeyond.
Aura readings is very popular,especially that's become very
trendy.
Spiritual and energy healing hasalso spiked in recent years,
which is like Reiki energysessions, there's all different
kinds of energy healers, andthen you have the traditional,
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ancestral practices likeshamans, gurus, so on and so
forth.
And that's just a probably ashort list.
I'm sure under each of thosetopics, there are 10 other
modalities that exist.
So it's gonna be reallyinteresting to deep dive into
this topic but here we go let'sgive it a shot let's see where,
Spirit takes us.
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Funny enough, we tried to recordthis episode.
I mean we set the tone, we sagedthe space.
We had our cards, we were readybut Spirit said"hell no." While
it was processing, it justcompletely disappeared and even
tech support could not find it.
(03:39):
So we're gonna give it anothershot.
And again, no sleep wired andtired.
Honestly these circumstances arein which the best conversations
in my life have happened.
I've had the most epiphaniesbeing completely unhinged on
caffeine.
Let's do it.
So Mitch, let's get down to thenitty gritty.
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What led you to wanna see apsychic?
I didn't want to.
There, you have it folks.
To be fair, okay, hang on.
Let's backtrack, when I was ababy, just kidding.
Our entire life, we have hadexperiences with people who have
higher than normal levels ofperception, empathy, very
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sensitive women.
Well, we have more women thanmen in our family.
We've come from a very, strongmatriarch.
What were some of your earliestexperiences around like
psychics, mediums, those kindsof connections?
My first experience was somerandom lady who walked up to me
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and wanted to do reading.
I went into her little officespace in Venice Beach, with a
friend, she read for him firstand then she read for me and
then when she read for me, shewarned me when he had left the
space to never speak with himand then it turned out not too
long after that experience, hegot arrested cause he made bad
choices.
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So she was right.
She was right.
We have a grandma who refused toread my cards out of everyone in
the family, which I'll neverunderstand and then she died,
really upset about that, don'tcome for me, grandma.
Which is so weird.
Yeah, she read everybody else'sand then, we have an aunt who
well, throughout my life hasdone some type of readings or
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guidance sessions to kind ofjust answer questions that I
have or help and then the firstreal paid scenario.
Would've been the lady that yougifted?
Yeah, so I gifted Mitch a fullon the psychic reading.
That included just kind of ageneral ask questions about your
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future or your life and amediumship.
Yeah she was very sweet, it wasvery informative, she gave me a
lot of fun information andshared some details about my
experiences that kind of like: "girl who are you talking to? (06:06):
undefined
Did my sister give you thenotes?
Is she punking me right now?" Idefinitely approached every
single scenario from a place ofcuriosity and wonder.
I like the idea that there arepeople that are more in touch
with their senses and they canmaybe kind of guide us, or give
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us like a nudge in the rightdirection.
That's kind of a cool, romanticway to look at life.
(Intro starts playing randomlyin the middle of recording and
shocks both Andy Mitch) Welcomeback to Andy and Mitch, the
podcast.
We're two sisters."(Continuingto record after correcting audio
issues.) So no lie, I don't knowwhy, if it's just the topic, but
we're having weird technicaldifficulties.
We mentioned earlier, the firsttime we tried to record this, it
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recorded but then when it wasprocessing to save, it
disappeared and deletedcompletely.
Yeah.
And nobody could find any traceor remnants of it, even tech
support and they were surprisedthat they couldn't pull it.
And now we're trying to record,and there's just like weird
technical overlaps, so we'rejust gonna flow with it, you
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know what I'm saying?
You know, spirit be spiriting.
We're just gonna be keeping itnice and lite.
I mean, I agree with you.
I do think that if you canapproach it from a place of
curiosity and wonder and justkind of be open then, then it
can be helpful.
It can be useful.
Did you believe her?
I did.
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And there was a part at the endwhere she's like, I see you
traveling a lot in your latethirties, early forties.
I'm like, time is ticking, outof the United States.
So it was really interesting andI mean, it, it'll be interesting
to see how it all plays out.
I think for me it's like I don'ttake things as like finite or
definite but it's cool again, tojust kind of wonder and to see
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the possibilities, even ifthey're not from your own mind's
eye.
For you growing up, what wasyour impression of psychics,
compared to your experienceswith them?
I remember at a very young agebeing exposed to our
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grandmothers in different ways.
Who dabbled in these kind ofextracurricular activities
around spirituality, energy,healing, psychics stuff, tarot
cards and Smo, which twodifferent sides of the family.
Two different belief systems.
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One side of the family, our onegrandmother, she had been raised
more around Santeria and so herpractices were very ritual like,
it was like people would come toher for like different reasons,
I need money, or so and so sick"you know, whatever the thing was
that they were trying to fix andso she'd create little potions
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and little jars for a ritualthat people could do to help
heal the wound or address theissue that they had, and then
people would pay her for that.
And she was like known locallyin the community.
And I remember one of the firsttimes it really clicked for me.
I was maybe elementary schooland a woman had come because
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she, wanted, there was someissues around love and potential
cheating, wanted to make sureshe could keep her man.
Basically that's the summarizedversion.
So I watched my grandma go intoher closet and get all these
things, I don't know what allthe stuff was.
She had like jars and all kindsof stuff, herbs and different
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spices and different things, andput together a little jar and
then gives it to the lady andgives her directions and then
the lady's like, so thankful shegives her cash.
My grandma sticks it in her brabecause that's traditional bank
accounting back in the day.
A woman's original bank account.
Yeah, your bra, your mattress,something like that.
She stuck it in her bra and Iwas like, oh crap.
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She's a hustler.
She's a witch doctor.
Like she hustled for real.
She really did.
She was getting paid for hergifts.
And a lot of people would cometo her for that.
And then on the flip side ourother side of the family.
That grandmother was moreconservative, a little more
quiet, she worked as a nurse, sonatural healer in so many ways.
A lot of history with her also,and indigenous practices and
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curanderismo natural healing.
She definitely had the gift ofsight and insight and she had
her tarot cards.
So we had seen her tarot cardsgrowing up.
She didn't really talk aboutthem a lot.
She didn't really pull them outand be like, oh, let me read
your cards every time she sawyou.
It was like a very rare thingfor her to do that.
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Mm-hmm.
But she would do it for peoplethat knew her or that she felt
comfortable around and I neversaw her do it like as a whole
side gig but it was very much apart of who she was.
Yeah.
And she did it for family too.
Yeah.
And friends and things likethat.
Yeah, except me.
Except for you.
Maybe she felt like it wouldn'thelp you.
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She did have the gift of sight,she told our cousin that she
could not read for me and thatwas it and left it at that and I
was like, come on.
And her gift of sight was veryaccurate and she was a lot.
She did the cards, she read thecards for me when I was a little
bit older.
I was like in my very earlytwenties.
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The first time she ever read mycards and it was scarily
accurate because there arethings that, there's no way she
would've known about like, somedetails.
And I was very impressed.
10 outta 10.
People will pay you big moneyfor this.
You need to be putting thatmoney in that bra grandma.
Yeah you need to take a notefrom the other grandma and get
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your hustle on.
She would have dreams a lot andI remember her calling the house
and saying,"oh, what happened toyour mom?" And I'm like, what
are you talking about?
And she said, I had a dream thatyour mom was walking around
along a narrow stream and shefell down and broke her ankle.
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She calls early in the morning,so happened then that night
before Uhhuh, our mom actuallywas walking down a cluttered
hallway, tripped and fell andbroke her ankle.
So random.
And she used to call aboutdifferent things.
That's grandma little bitwondrous, little bit wonderful,
a little bit scary.
And then we had like tias otherpeople just in our neighborhood,
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you know, that would talk aboutdifferent things like that.
It was on TV a lot.
Like, what was it, the ninetieswith the Psychic network?
And then also, like WalterMarcado he did astrology.
Astrology.
The Monte Williams Show, sylviaBrown.
We're just, I'm just gonna putit, she might be one of our long
lost aunts but she's great and,and apparently she predicted
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COVID, the COVID outbreak.
I read something about that.
You asked me earlier like, doyou think people go to this
because of curiosity or for justentertainment And when we think
about that, like when we thinkback to watching somebody like
Sylvia Brown on tv.
It was like this new era of, newage stuff, that's what they used
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to call it, right?
The new age bookstores or theNew Age TV shows or TV episodes.
If we think back to that it wasboth, I think people were very
curious about it and still areespecially if it's maybe
something new or they haven'treally spent a lot of time
around and also it isentertaining.
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It gives you something fun tothink about and to play with a
little bit.
Yeah, there's even the new ones,Tyler.
He's the one like he'll touchobjects and then he also
scribbles.
Scribbles.
He does, he scribbles on thissheet.
He the automatic writing?
Yeah.
And it's like little scribbleson this sheet of paper.
And then he, he's telling youlike your deepest, darkest
secrets and you're like, what ishappening?
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How did that tell you that?
You, lemme see those scribblesTyler.
And then there's like somethingwhich I've heard of and I don't
know, angel channeling.
Which I find that fascinating...
um, what was the question?
Yeah, so I think like some ofthe reasons people like to kind
of turn to theseextracurriculars, as you said
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earlier some of it is culturalbased, some of it's like they
find a sense of spirituality inthe practice and the nature of
it.
Sometimes you just wanna amirror, you want to be able to
be asked the questions that youare not asked by your peers or
your immediate circles.
And it gives you that freedom tokind of engage in a different
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outcome of your life.
And then other times it's likegrief.
You're trying to soothe yourselffrom a terrible loss or
occurrence and then other timesit's just validation you just
wanna be validated that you'regoing in the right direction,
especially if you don't havelike a good support system, it
could be something that isutilized as a tool to find that
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validation outside of yourself.
Yeah.
From the show, Ted Lasso, if youhaven't seen it, great show.
Higgins is a character on there,there is an episode where they
touch on this idea of psychicsas like, are they charlatans or
are they actually helpful?
And he says this really greatquote and he says,"The universe
is full of things we can'texplain.
And psychics, even if some ofthem are charlatans, they can
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help us see something inourselves that we can't quite
see ourselves." And I thoughtthat was so well said because it
sums it up.
You know, it's like even ifthey're not really great at
being a psychic, it gives youthe mirror that you may need to
know or to hear, or to see or tounderstand something differently
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for yourselves based on whateverresponse they give you.
Even if it's not magical.
It can be meaningful.
I think most of my experienceshave been pretty magical.
Don't be jelly but I, I've seena few psychics in my time and
we'll continue to see more, I'msure.
I'm actually well overdue for apsychic reading.
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Although there's just so muchgoing on in the world that I'm
like, not sure that I want tohear the things.
I've gone to psychics fordifferent reasons, at different
points in my time, and I feellike they have all been fairly
accurate in different ways.
And what I have foundfascinating is that the ones
that I have seen have allreferred to this idea that we
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have multiple types of spiritaround us, whether that's loved
ones that have passed on.
Ancestors, including ones we'venever met, guides, angels, some
sort of council that's comprisedof a bunch of these different
people.
We have like a board ofdirectors basically on the other
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side.
That's a great analogy.
That's like helping us, tryingto keep us on track for whatever
our life path or purpose is.
Which, you know, we're not gonnaget into the weeds of all that
in terms of like beliefs aroundit, but I do think it's
fascinating that they all havesimilar ways of approaching
this, even though they kind oftalk about it a little
differently.
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There was one that was verymuch, into the angels and that
kind of stuff.
And then another that didn'treally talk as much about
Angels, but did talk about allthese other types of spirits
that can be around you,supporting you and guiding you
through life.
And that really piqued mycuriosity.
I was like, oh my gosh, tell memore.
I wanna know who these guidesare.
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I need to know what their namesare.
What do they look like?
Describe them.
Yeah.
What did they do in their pastlife?
How are we connected?
You know?
Yeah.
And you can really go down therabbit hole with all of that
stuff.
Our aunt, who is one of the onesthat is probably the more
impressive, people that I've hadto like, speak with on things,
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she's very, very, very, veryconnected and intuitive and all
that stuff.
She was the first person thatintroduced the concept of a
council.
Oh, it's a council of spiritguides.
And then she was like explainingwhat my counsel was called, who
they were, all these things.
And I was just staring at herlike, what?
Word?
That's cool.
I just have like an army ofpeople walking with me
everywhere, or floating in theircase.
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They're just floating.
Oh my god.
Mind blown.
The one, the first lady that Iever paid, she was really good.
She was the one that actually,told me I was gonna get sick.
So I have had cancer in mylifetime and at the time I
wasn't sick.
I was pretty healthy for themost part.
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I was doing fine.
So when she kind of told meabout it I dismissed it as,
okay, yeah, sure.
You're kind of reaching forsomething.
She gave me very detailedspecifics about how it was gonna
happen and how I was gonnaexperience it.
I wrote them down, I kept thejournal.
And then a little less than twoyears, maybe like a year and a
half later, those thingshappened exactly in the way that
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she said they would.
And I hadn't remembered that shehad told me that but I had gone
to the doctor, I was like beingdiagnosed, I was in the middle
of this very stressful process.
And my partner said, isn't thatwhat that psychic lady told you?
And I said, I don't think so.
He remembered that I hadmentioned it to him'cause it was
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a private session.
So I went and found the journalwhere I had taken the notes and
it was all there, exactly.
And mind you, by the time thishappened, this woman had passed
away.
That's crazy.
The details of it were like, itstopped me in my tracks like,
holy cow, and so based on that,I responded accordingly'cause
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one of the things she had saidto me was, you're gonna have to
push back.
You're gonna have to fight foryour care'cause you're not gonna
believe it and that startedhappening.
So I did push back and sureenough, I ended up having to
have major surgery and I spent afew years battling this and it
was something that she had toldme in my psychic reading with
her, that's wild.
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Yeah.
And then she also talked aboutlike a few of the guides that
were around me and she describedtheir personalities and it
totally matched and makes sensewith my personality, and so I
was like, you know, either A,this is true and accurate and
that's pretty crazy how then ifyou believe Spirit can influence
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you, or B, she's just reallygood at reading personalities
and how dare she?
It's probably a little bit ofcolumn A and B, you know,
because I mean, you can't readcancer out of a personality.
No.
So that's like, I mean, that's apretty big.
Is that a premonition?
Yeah, I guess so.
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Yeah, if she was still alive,I'd probably see her regularly
as my personal psychic.
You're like as my therapist.
Speaking of therapy, you didmention a really good point
about a lot of times people willgo to psychics, especially
mediums.
Who work with spirit and thebeyond, when they are in a place
or time of grief.
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Yeah.
I mean, it gives them theability to explore their grief
without shame.
Sometimes it gives them peace ofmind and sometimes it just
sincerely offers them closure.
Yeah.
In a way that other humanscannot.
Yeah.
When you lose a person ofsignificance, this is like
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pertaining more to loss of aloved one.
Everyone experiences their lossincredibly different from one
another.
It is an individual experience,there's no right way to grieve
the loss of somebody you love,there is only the way you
grieve.
Mm-hmm.
The only way to grieve is to gothrough it.
You know, sometimes it's harderfor some than it is for others
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and sometimes people grieve in avery lite and airy and beautiful
way, and others grieve in areally hard, dark, constraining
way.
And so I think when you're inthat.
This can be a tool to help youkind of move through some of the
mental barriers that happenthrough that process of moving
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through grief.
Yeah, for sure.
And, people can use them evenlater in life'cause I've had
some readings with the mediumdecades after the loss of some
of our loved ones.
It's almost like it, it felt insome way it was the right time
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now.
Even though it had been so long.
But I was in the place mentallywhere I was open to it and it's
like, okay, here's the righttime to touch on this and see
yeah, what's there?
And to see if any of thisinformation connects and
resonates.
And I do think the same one Igifted to you is someone that I
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had seen before.
And I only went to her becausefour other people had seen her
before.
Yeah.
And gave me, the referral and onas far as the mediumship part
goes, I felt like she was sospot on that it was a little
scary because I was like, ohdamn.
Like you are reading into mysoul right now and I'm not okay
with this.
And it was cool because she has,you do like a practice ahead of
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time where, where you like writedown questions and things that.
She gives you a whole thing todo before you meet with her that
you do privately just foryourself.
And when I met with her, she wasjust going through all the
things that I had written downwithout me having to ask and
that was crazy to me.
It was like, yeah, this person,this person.
Funny story because I'm full offunny stories and I'm hilarious.
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When I went to go see thisparticular psychic, my partner
is a healthy skeptic.
I think he's open to a lot ofthings, but there are certain
things that he's like, I don'tknow which ones you can trust
and which ones you can't.
Did something without telling meto see if it would come up in my
reading.
Oh yeah, that's right.
And it did.
So he did a shout out to hisfather who had passed away and
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basically said, if this personis legit, come through and give
me a sign.
And during my reading she wasdescribing a person that was
like very prominent trying totake over the room type way.
And I kept saying like, I don'tknow who this person is and then
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she gave me some additionalspecifics that, to describe him,
and it clicked that it was mypartner's father.
And I said, oh, I know exactlywho this is and so we kind of
went through the session.
At the end of the session, Itold my partner and he laughed
and then proceeded to explain tome that he asked his dad to do
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that.
So that he would have a signthat this person was legit.
Yeah.
That she wasn't full of it.
I mean, well, when you talk toher, you'll know right away and
she's not.
Oh yeah.
And I did find that it washealing in some ways,
heartwarming in others.
With some of the things as faras like mediumship and grief and
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loss and like kind of hearingsome of those things.
I think sometimes it can bereally hard and if you're not in
the right place then it canmaybe not benefit you as much.
But I do know a lot of peoplewho have gone specifically to
psychics and mediums in thehopes of getting some sort of
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healing, connection,confirmation about their loved
ones, making sure that they'reokay.
And what was interesting abouther too, which I really like, is
that she also does pets.
She does pet readings for peoplethat's who have lost their pets.
That's kind of how she came intothe realm at, at some point, was
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a, presentation that she did andshe was telling a story about
someone's dog, and literallybawling my eyes out, beautiful
story.
Yeah.
And you're like, oh my Godbecause I also have a dog.
You have a dog?
Yeah.
And like we're gonna be wrecked.
Destroyed.
Absolutely wrecked.
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I definitely don't wanna thinkabout that right now.
But it's okay we have a psychicwe can talk to.
What do you think about petscoming through about like seeing
a psychic to communicate withyour pets?
I mean, I will, bottom line,period, full stop.
I've had better connections withpets than I've had with most
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living people.
I think anything you love,anything you love that you lose
and then there's leftover lovethat you don't know how to
express.
You know, it can turn into painand so if you don't learn to
work through it and grieve it,it can really become detrimental
to your health, so I see it as atool.
How do you think, you know, if apsychic is legit versus being a
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scam?
Yeah.
Or someone who's just skilled atreading people.
Well I haven't seen enough toknow for sure.
Usually the people that I haveinteracted with, it's been like
they've said something verypointed, very direct and some of
the recounts of like,experiences that I've had or
things that I've said to people.
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Yeah, it's definitely in thedetails.
When they can tell you somethingthat there's no way they could
have known.
Like it's such a intricatedetail that it's like, where did
you get that from?
There's absolutely no way.
I went to see a psychic withsomeone that's a relative of
ours who wanted me to go formoral support and was seeking
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the psychic services for a loss.
Yeah.
And was really hoping to likeconnect in some way but she was
so nervous and so unsure.
That it didn't work out the wayshe hoped it would work out.
And what I appreciated aboutthat person was that they didn't
charge her.
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They didn't, try to scam her outof any money.
They were just like, I can tellthat this is not what you were
hoping for and that's okay.
We can just call it, I'm open tomeeting with you again at a
different time if you want, butas of right now, like it's all
good.
That's another strong point toolike if you're not getting
anything out of it and it isjust like a dead end, they
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shouldn't charge you becausethen they didn't actually
complete the service and if theydo charge you, then that's your
like, big red flag that maybedon't go back to them.
She didn't charge, so I wasimpressed with that.
I do think she was telling herthings that, were resonating but
I think because this person wasnot ready for it.
That they panicked and they kindof shut down.
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Some of this stuff can be kindof intimidating.
Here's the thing, right?
Like, think about being in aroom with somebody you don't
know, who's asking you to askyourself questions that you
never thought you should ask.
Mm-hmm.
Does that sound interesting toyou?
It sounds fun to me.
And for most people it soundslike a nightmare and or
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terrifying.
And they're also like, alsoremember that one girl who, who
slipped that one note to you along, long time ago about how
bad your hair looked and how younever forgave it.
And now you go to work andRebecca looks at you and you're
like, fuck you, Rebecca.
It's actually that girl, shedied and came back as Rebecca.
You're like, what the fuck?
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Oh hell no.
With a little bit of thatsprinkled in there.
I feel like when I've gone, Idon't usually go in with a ton
of questions.
Because I am, I, there is a partof me that is a little skeptical
'cause I'm not sure.
Right.
Like, if I haven't seen youbefore, or, you know, maybe not
enough people have recommended,then I'm gonna be a little
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skeptical.
I'm not sure if I can trust whatyou're telling me, or trust your
skill and ability just yet.
So it's almost like a test.
Intentionally go in with eithersome off the wall question that
I don't ask out loud.
Yeah.
Or I don't ask a ton ofquestions because I'm like,
entertain me.
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It's like that joke where you,where A person goes to a psychic
and knocks on the door and thepsychic goes, who is it?
So they left.
And I probably butchered thatjoke but you know, they left
because it's a psychic, theyshould have known.
But I do do that on purposebecause when I talk to friends
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who have gone to psychics ormediums or healers.
They always tell me about allthe questions that they ask.
Yeah.
And in my head, I'm like, yougave them too much information.
Rookie mistake.
Now they can put it together andfool you into believing
something because you actuallyset it to them first.
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And I always say, next time I'mgonna ask a ton of questions to
see if the experience isdifferent and then when I go, I
don't ask anything.
Also, some psychics are verybroad.
They don't get down into thedetails and in those instances
or the instances, like you'rereferring your friends that ask
a thousand questions.
Then I think it's like you areasking for guidance, you're
asking for, the permission toask yourself those questions.
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What you're really seeking isvalidation in those moments or
some kind of guidance.
And I think it's still worth it.
You have a lot of friends whohave gone to the psychics?
I have a handful of friends thathave gone to psychic and
healers.
Three friends that read theirown cards.
And then, you know, I have alittle, zoltar in my room.
So, in some communities,psychics, healers are deeply
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respected while others are seenas scams as we're kind of
talking on.
Is it possible that somepsychics are actually intuitive,
energetically sensitive butculture dismisses them?
Listen, everything is dependenton multiple variables.
It just is the way of life,right?
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Like for us, a lot of ourcultural background can be very
accepting of the spiritual andthe unknowns.
Because it is really part of alot of our familial practices
but then there's other parts ofour same culture that reject it
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and are afraid of it and areconnect it to something
negative.
And so in those environments, itis looked down upon.
If you practice, believe or evengo see a psychic.
So it varies but I do think thatthere are a lot of people that
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are very talented in what theydo, whether they're psychic, a
medium, an energy healer, a palmreader, a tarot reader.
There are a lot of people thatare really good and somehow
connected to something that wejust can't explain fully and
it's the same is true in everyother field, there are amazing,
excellent, wonderful doctors outthere.
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And there's some that are, eh.
There's amazing mechanics thatare like magical with cars, and
then there's mechanics that'lljust mess your shit up.
And then you're like, thank youfor nothing.
I gotta go to another mechanic.
Yeah.
It's just the way it is in anytype of practice or field.
And you, if it's something thatyou bring into your life and you
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wanna participate in and learnmore about, you just gotta be
careful and be smart about whoyou're going to, where you're
spending your money, what you'rebelieving, what you're not
believing, right?
You can't just give up yourautonomy and say, here psychic,
you make all these decisions forme.
You have to have a sense of kindof what you're looking for, what
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answers you're trying to seekfor yourself, and then it's like
bouncing some energy off ofsomebody to see if any of that
resonates with you.
Take what you want, leave whatyou don't kind of thing.
Indubitably, I agree, in fact, Ireally agree with that and that
resonates and it's true.
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I think it is very much like abuild a bear experience for
each.
What about like energy healers?
I know you haven't gone to onebut would you go to like a reiki
healer?
Like what do you think aboutthose kinds of things In the
spiritual realm.
There's this Asian man and hedoes energy healing and like
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people swear by him you have tofly into Singapore and then you
see this guy and like he doesall this energy and he doesn't
touch your body, but peopleswear that he heals them.
I was like, I'm just so curious.
Like they go to him and theyswear and he literally just like
pushes what looks like energyand the body moves but he
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doesn't touch them, blew mymind, blew my mind.
I was like, who is this?
How do I get there?
And then I like realize he'sprobably super expensive.
Yeah.
And I'm just a broke girl withdreams, you know?
I mean, I'm always curious aboutthat'cause I don't know how much
I fully believe and I do thinkit's experiential.
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So I haven't experienced that,you know?
But I've watched it, I've readinterviews about it.
I've talked to people who dolike energy healing kind of work
and I'm just like fascinated butis it the placebo effect?
Sometimes...
but sometimes these people gethealed from crazy things and if
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we think about itscientifically, right, we know
like energy is a real thing.
Yeah.
Like we are made of it.
It exists all around us.
It influences everything that wesee and experience in the world.
You're not even supposed to eatwith people you don't like'cause
then your body metabolizes yourfood improperly and it makes you
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sick.
Well, yeah.
Have you seen the riceexperiment?
I think they've done it withdifferent things, but, many
years this is like decades ago,I think.
I was in grad school and we readthis, study that was done on
rice.
Three jars of rice, you have thecontrol, and then you have one
jar where you just spew negativethings.
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So you're just sending negativeenergy to it every single day.
And then you have one where youare giving it nothing but
positive things.
And sending positive energy toit every day.
In the way of words'cause thestudy was also about what we say
to ourselves matters, but itlinked it to this idea of energy
that like that's connected toour energy source and our
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vibration.
And so the vibration is feltthrough and the one that got all
the positivity, never turned itstayed vibrant and good and then
the one that got all thenegativity started turning black
very quickly at a much morerapid pace than the control.
I think that, you know, that'sjust an example of the ways in
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which we can look at science andsay, this is real.
You know, will I fly across theworld?
I mean, I don't have that kindof money, but.
I'm like, if we become rich,we're flying, just for funsies.
I'm curious, I do believe thatenergy healing is a thing
because I've been around peopleand they also drain the life out
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of you.
Energy vampires.
Yeah.
If they can drain the life outtayou, there's some of them out
there that can heal you.
Energy is a thing.
I mean, it exists in our ownculture, right?
They use herbs and prayer and,smoke and other things as
rituals to cleanse and clearenergy blockages, spiritual
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blockages.
This is very ancestral, this isrooted in hundreds and hundreds
of years of practice or like ourother grandmother and her
practice.
They, there was a lot of, thatwas ritual to, cleanse energy.
You know, it very much exists inour own history.
Whether it's like some sort ofbridge that connects to the
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spirit realm, some energeticrealm, I don't know.
Even if you just take it uponyourself to give yourself your
own healing energy, right?
Like you're just sitting on aSunday afternoon, you're telling
to all your cells.
You're like, you guys are doinga great job.
So proud of you guys.
So proud of you.
We can turn it around in someareas, but come on, we got this.
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You're the jar of rice baby,you're the jar of rice.
But yeah, I do think it's allfascinating.
I've been curious about maybedoing reiki, but there's so many
people that do it and, again, Itake recommendations.
So if you have goodrecommendations, send them our
way'cause we will definitelycheck them out.
I haven't met someone who'sfound a Reiki practitioner that
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they felt passionate about thatdoesn't mean they're not out
there.
It just hasn't crossed my pathyet so I have not pursued it.
I'm very much a believer oflike, the universe is gonna
bring me what I need in my path.
(Random loud tapping noises fromupstairs) Well, that concludes
this conversation.
I think it's just the squirrels.
There was a tapping right now.
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Yeah.
It's the squirrels.
They collect acorns and theypile them up until they fall
down.
Okay.
Let's do a game.
Nothing like a game with spirit.
Not with spirit with us, spiritsit this one out.
All right, so we're gonna do ahot seat game.
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Would you believe if where I'mgonna read scenarios and you're
gonna tell me if you believe itor not.
Okay.
Okay.
Would you believe if a psychictold you your soul mate's name
started with a Z?
I mean, no, because it doesn'tbut for you maybe.
I don't know if I see you with aZach or a Zachary or a Zeke or a
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Zendaya, I dunno.
Oh, we love Zendaya Okay, wouldyou believe if they said you
were royalty in a past life?
Yes because I am a little snobbyand I have no reason to be.
Like, I grew up dirt poor, asdid you and like there is no
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memory in this lifetime ofneeding to feel that level of
entitlement.
That's funny.
But there's a part of me that'slike, I think you're meant to be
royalty.
So yeah, I believe it.
For me, I think so too but onlybecause I drink my, my drinks
really weird.
Royal hand type.
Yeah.
I do this with my pinky out.
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So at some point I was a royaltyor just an asshole.
Would you believe if they toldyou you'd be rich, but it would
come from something totallyunexpected like a viral TikTok
dance.
I mean, I'm pretty open.
I just think at my age, I'm notgonna be doing any viral TikTok
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dancing.
Am I gonna go make TikTokvideos?
Probably not.
I mean, I'd give it a shot atthis point, in this economy.
Would you believe if theypredicted your dog secretly
judged your life choices?
Yes.
Yours especially?
Yeah.
Mines does.
I don't think it's a secret.
You can see it on his face.
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Yeah and mine just gives judgyeyes.
If he had hair, he'd like swingit to the side.
Would you believe if they toldyou a celebrity crush was
actually your twin flame?
It depends on who it is.
Would you?
No.
Here's the thing withcelebrities, it depends on how
they became a celebrity but I dothink that most of what we see
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from celebrities is show.
So I don't know like I couldn'tname somebody because I don't
really know who these peopleare.
There's no celebrity that Iwould be like, oh, well no, he's
gone, he died, so no.
That's why you feel so lonely inthe world because your twin
flame is gone.
Rob Williams or like AnthonyBourdain.
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We gotta keep a close eye onyou.
Would you believe if they warnedyou about Mercury retrograde
messing up your love life?
I feel like a lot of people getwarned about this feel.
Yeah.
Some people very much believe inthe shifts, right?
And the stars and the moon andastrology.
Listen sometimes it's Mercuryretrograde, and sometimes you
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are your mercury retrograde.
As long as you know thedifference, then you're good.
Right.
Would you believe if theypredicted a mysterious stranger
would change your life atCostco?
Again, I can only be hopeful Ican only hope like a billionaire
just happens to be in Costco isconfused and lost.
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I help them because I'm so niceand everywhere I go, people
think I work there.
I don't know why, but thishappens to me every freaking
where I go.
And then they were like, wow,you're so helpful.
I'm gonna give you a hundredmillion dollars.
They change my life all thetime.
They give me free samples andthen sometimes I buy the thing.
Would you believe if theypredicted you'd live past a
(43:38):
hundred, but only if you gave upCafecito?
I don't think I'll live anywherenear a hundred with or without
coffee.
And like, I don't know y'all,this body it's like really
struggling.
I'm pretty sure I'm dead if Ihave no coffee, now.
It's like embalming me while I'mliving.
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It really is, trying to wake upright now is like, a chore dude.
Would you believe if they saidyour house plants were carrying
messages from your ancestors?
I already know what your answersgo.
I talked to the plants, Ilearned this from our own
mother.
Who we used to think was alittle batshit crazy because she
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would sing to her plants andtalk to her plants when we were
growing up.
And she would always say, if youdon't do this, they won't grow
and they won't be happy.
And she always had good, healthyplants and then I tried taking
care of plants and they all diedbecause I didn't sing to them, I
didn't talk to them, I didn'tmake them happy.
So now we're doing that overhere.
We talk to our plants.
(44:41):
I've got several plants and alittle mini indoor garden going
on.
They're thriving.
And they're doing well.
Whether they have messages forme, I don't know.
But I do think there's somethingreally, mindful, which can be
considered spiritual for somepeople.
When you're in community withplants, I do like to go hug a
good tree, you know?
(45:02):
I don't know.
I'm always hoping for somewisdom.
I actually am kind of verysimilar to our mother and Andy
in this respect.
I love plants.
And I really believe that theyhear and they feel, and they
see.
I don't know how they see, but Iknow they see.
(45:23):
I went to this one, art exhibita long time ago where the plants
were making music uhhuh, andevery time you touched the a
leaf it connected to a frequencyand then the frequency was
transmitted into an actualsound.
And so when you would pet theleaves of the plants, you were
making music.
It was a very beautiful thing, Ijust love plants.
You know, there's a lot of coolresearch being done about how
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spiritual and energetic plantsactually are.
Yeah, it's pretty fascinating.
I also believe too that thathealing the planet could be as
simple as us watering ourplants.
Yeah.
Because like they do the job ofcleaning the air and sometimes,
counties don't even allow us towater our plants and our trees
and shit and then they're alldying and like, they need water
(46:06):
too, guys.
Little story time, I went intoan office space and all their
plants were dead when I hadfirst started.
That's bad energy.
They were like, your plant isdoing really well.
Everybody brought their plantsoutta the office and they
brought'em to me.
I healed every single plant.
Two of them were dead down tothe stump, fully grew back into
little trees.
Their energy was bad.
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I do think that if you bringplant a plant into a space, it
will tell you something aboutthe energy of that space,
depending on how the plantthrives.
Similar to like, they used totake the little bird into the
mines.
And that if the bird starteddying, then they knew that it
was toxic and they had to getout or it stopped singing and I
(46:46):
do think that something similarwith plants is that the plants
are absorbing the energy in theenvironment.
And so if they start dying, itsays something about the space
itself.
Well, I brought them all backand then I left and apparently
they're dying.
Take that as you will.
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Alrighty.
So where do you land?
Skeptic believer, or somewherein the middle?
I mean, I think we all know thatI'm a believer with a healthy
dose of skepticism.
I definitely land somewhere inthe middle, leaning more to
believer.
Obviously I very much appreciatethat we had this like really
inclusive upbringing thatallowed us to explore these
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things very early on.
I'm also very aware that humansare humans and there's a lot of
people that have good intentionswith what they do and there's
also people that do not havegood intentions with what they
do.
At the end of the day, like thevalue isn't always in the
prediction.
But more so in the reflectionand what we're getting out of
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it, whether that's a psychic,you're seeing a medium, a palm
reader, an energy healer.
It's like, how is it gonna helpyou?
And if it's helping you in someway, then.
Go for it.
So whether your team's skeptic,team, spiritual, or team i'll
just pull one tarot card and seewhat happens psychics definitely
give us something to talk about.
Maybe they can predict yourfuture, but sometimes the real
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magic is what they spark insideyou.
Thanks for hanging out with uson this cosmic ride.
And if you've ever had a psychicmoment that totally blew your
mind or made you laugh out loud,we wanna hear about it.
Stay curious, stay caffeinated,and maybe your palms moisturized
in case someone wants torandomly read them, thanks for
tuning in.
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Bye.
Bye.
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