May 1, 2025 • 46 mins
In this heartwarming and hilarious episode of Andi & Mich, two sisters from two generations unpack their evolving relationship with fashion—and how it reflects self-worth, confidence, and personal growth through the decades. From glitter jellies and layaway shopping to boho dresses and bold accessories, Andi and Mich share real talk on rediscovering your style in your 30s and 40s, navigating body changes, breaking outdated fashion rules, and using style as a tool for self-expression and silent rebellion.
Whether you’re rocking a white sneaker and jeans combo or figuring out how to feel sexy in a changing body, this episode will leave you feeling seen, inspired, and ready to glow up your wardrobe—without losing yourself in trends. They explore the emotional side of style, how cultural roots and childhood shape fashion identity, and why dressing for joy is the real flex at any age.
Perfect for women over 30, fashion lovers (or fashion avoiders), and anyone who’s ever stood in front of their closet wondering who they are now—this conversation is a funny, tender, and powerful reminder that style isn’t about what you wear. It’s about how you feel in your skin.
💬 “Fashion is a silent rebellion. Especially in your second adolescence.”
Two Sisters. Two Generations. Lots of Laughs.
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-Andi and Mich
The Andi and Mich Podcast: Two Sisters, Two Generations, Unique Perspectives, Lots of Laughs
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Welcome back to Andy and Mitch,the podcast where two sisters
from two generations.
Keep it real, keep it warm andkeep it at least a little
stylish.
Here's the thing, while we maynot be style influencers, we are
women in our thirties andforties learning how to dress
these evolving bodies and busylives.
In this episode, we are talkingabout how our relationship with
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fashion has changed the joy ofrediscovering our style and the
little ways we are glowing upour wardrobes.
One boho tea and comfy pair ofjeans at a time.
Let's get into it.
So when we first made.
Our episode list when we decidedto do the podcast and we're
coming up with ideas on thingsthat we wanted to talk about,
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fashion was on it.
Mm-hmm.
And we immediately laughed butthen I was thinking about it.
After we had done some editingand recorded other things and we
were talking and I thought, whynot us?
I think we're the perfect peopleto talk about it because we're
the busy woman who's in herthirties and forties trying to
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figure it out.
Right.
And I think just people ingeneral could probably relate to
this.
Not just women, but we gothrough this evolution through
each decade of our lives.
So just in that train ofthought, I came back to Mitch
and I said, I think we need todo this topic.
I still wasn't sold, but I'mhere.
So I don't think she, I don'tthink you're still sold now, but
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this is the exact kind ofconversation that women need to
have.
Yeah, I agree.
Especially women like us.
Like I think we see a lot of theidealistic fashion and style out
there a lot in the magazines andpop culture and tv, but the
reality of that, it doesn't lineup, right?
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Like you kind of have to figureout how style comes to play in
your life as you grow andevolve.
Mm-hmm.
And age gracefully.
I agree with that.
And I think that we also have toremember that fashion has been
depicted in mainstream ways.
That feels unattainable, but itactually started with real
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people, people just walkingaround the streets.
Mm-hmm.
You know, other people tooknotice that they were trying to
express themselves in uniqueways.
And then it was monopolized.
Right.
And like they started makingmoney off of it.
Yeah.
And in a lot of ways fashion wasused, in revolutionary ways.
Yeah.
European women used to wear redlipstick?
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In support of like women'srights and things like that.
Fashion has its roots inprehistoric times when humans
began using clothing forpractical purposes, but it
evolved into this form of self,expression and societal status
on one end.
And on the other spectrum, itdid become this revolutionary
way of expressing yourself andso there's, there's some fun,
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funky elements to fashion that Ifeel like it, if we look at it
with the right set of goggles,it can actually be pretty
wonderful.
So for our fun middle agedselves, which I don't know if
we're middle aged or we're stilltechnically kind of young.
It depends on who you're talkingto, you know?
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Yeah.
Like, because if you're talkingto a young person, you've
already died, you're a dinosaur.
We're, yeah.
But if you're talking to an oldperson, they're like, dude
you're just a baby.
So I think really fashion there,like we have to approach fashion
with perspective that it isreally just about expressing
yourself.
When you think about fashion oryou talk about fashion, if you
don't consider yourself to be afashionista, and that hasn't
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always been your thing, youreally shy away from it and you
kind of fall in line to these,predetermined clothing
stereotypes.
I do wanna dive into this alittle bit more when we think
about this idea of like thisfashion disconnect that happens
from when we're young and howthat disconnect exists as we
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move through these differentgenerations of life.
I mean.
When did we even stop feelingcool in our clothes?
For the record, I never feltcool in my clothes, I think the
shift is associated for mepersonally when my body started
to shift and change in differentways.
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As I aged, I started to likefeel a little bit disconnected
from what was sociallyacceptable at certain, pivotal
points.
But then I realized I've alwayskind of lived in this rebel
world, where I was really intoDoc Martens and I was like,
grunge was really big.
Mm-hmm.
We shopped at Miller to Outpostif we were really lucky.
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You know, we come from like alower class family,....I didn't
know that people didn't buytheir clothes on layaway.
I know you've mentioned thattoo.
...and a lot of times it was thediscounted items that were
available to you growing up.
Now I look back at it and I'mlike, man, we were actually
really fashionable....but in thesuburbs or the suburbs of Los
Angeles,......it wasn't sociallyacceptable and we were kind of
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that outcast.
I didn't have that experience.
So I think it depends on likewhat the dynamics of your social
circle are.
Yeah.
But I definitely relate to the,like growing up.
You know, fashion was somethingyou had to create.
I felt like it was just acreative venture that we would
go on to just piece things fromthe thrift store, from layaway
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at Kmart, which was always likethe end of season stuff cause we
could get it at a cheaper price.
So we were not like on trend inthat way and fashionable in that
way, but we were stillfashionable'cause we would
create it and make it work forourselves.
And.
I feel like a lot of times Iwould feel really proud of like
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the clothes I was wearing justbecause it meant something to
me.
'cause I worked hard to put ittogether.
And one of our aunts from PuertoRico, I always felt she was
super fashionable.
'cause she was just super cool.
She still is But she would helpme see things and put things
together and be like, Miha, wedon't need to spend$200 on an
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outfit for you to feel good.
Like, let's put this together.
Let's piece that together andlet's switch this.
And that was probably one of thefirst times I ever felt like I
had any sense or idea aroundstyle.
Yeah.
Like how to style yourself.
'cause before I would just wearwhatever because it was, I
didn't have a choice.
I didn't get to pick outeverything.
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And so I, I didn't feel like Ileaned into fashion or style.
I wasn't a fashionist in anyway.
I would see things and it'd belike, that's really cool.
I really want that.
But we never could afford it, soI didn't allow myself the
opportunity to like dive deepinto it.
But with Artia, I feel likethat's probably one of the first
times that I felt like, oh, Ican create something and make a
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statement for myself as a youngteenager and feel happy with it.
And feel content with what I waswearing and not be embarrassed
cause it wasn't like super namebrand or super on trend.
Yeah.
I didn't even know name brands.
So there's that.
Yeah.
That's a thing.
I mean like how you grow upreally, has a direct impact in
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how you think about style andfashion.
When you think back was thereany outfit or any article of
clothing, that you had that madeyou feel just amazing or
confident or unstoppable?
Like back in the day.
My glitter jellies.
Oh my god.
Fricking glitter jellies.
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You had so many glitter jellies.
I was in love with them.
Mom threw some away at onepoint.
She did?
Yeah.
They were amazing.
They made me feel magical.
I could literally climb trees inthem.
We had this little like tree inthe back and then we lived like
in this area that had like a lotof wood in the back'cause it was
like a construction company upfront.
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And so, um, I would climb thewood in the back and like jump
around with the boys and I coulddo everything in my glitter
jellies.
I was safe, I was content.
I never got hurt.
And I looked cute as heck.
You gotta love glitter jellies.
How about you?
I think I have two.
At first I was like, no, Ididn't have one when I was
younger, but I did when I wasreally little.
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This is before your existence.
Okay.
Our abuela, our grandma.
On our father's side bought mered cowboy boots from Mexico.
I have seen pictures.
Yes.
I was obsessed with thosefreaking cowboy boots and I wore
them everywhere, for everything.
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Grandma, used to also buy theselike big poofy Mexican dresses
and she would like want us toget all dressed up and they'd
come with shiny shoes.
Yeah.
And I would not put on the shinyshoes and I would put the boots
on underneath.
Yeah.
And these were warm boots.
Y'all like, I love these bootsso much.
They were, they had lived a lifealready lived.
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And I remember grandma would getso mad and she'd be like, you
need to put on the shiny shoes.
I'd be like, no, I reject yourshiny shoes.
I am only here for the boots.
Yeah.
And I wore those things.
So they practically startedfalling apart.
And I think at one point our momprobably had to sneak them away
and throw them away becauseYeah.
They just weren't usableanymore.
But I, as a kid, wearing those,I felt so confident.
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I just felt real cool, you know?
Yeah.
And different, and that'sprobably reflecting back one of
the first times that I reallyembraced, like my own unique
sense of style That I wouldn'tembrace again yet until I was in
my twenties.
My early twenties is when Istarted to kind of lean into
style and fashion a little bitmore and feed my little boho
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heart.
And I had my own job, my ownmoney, so I started buying more
things for myself and learningthings that felt good to have on
And there's something with thecolor red.
Okay.
I just, I just realized this inthis moment that both of my
stories have to do withsomething red.
Okay.
So I had to look that up.
If you're intuitive, just dropme a message and tell me what
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that means.
The boots were red and then oneof my close friends who's still
a close friend of mine to thisday bought me a red dress at
Windsor or some shit like that.
Oh, I do remember this.
And it was like a knitted, itwas really beautiful, like a
very intricately knitted,strapless dress.
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It was red, straight down, twoslits on the side.
It had like a tie belt on it.
Yes.
And I freaking loved that dress.
I don't know why.
It just really spoke to me.
It was kind of boho, it was kindof classic to like a classic
vibe, but it was red and everytime I put that dress on, I felt
like a million bucks.
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I just felt beautiful and I feltconfident, which, you know,
growing up as a young woman, Irarely felt that way.
I had a really hard time withconfidence growing up and being
very curvy.
It's still a work in progress.
But I loved that dress so much.
There's a picture of you byyourself.
I'm gonna find it.
Yeah.
And you're wearing that dressand you have your hair down and
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it's all red and stuff.
And when we were little, we werelike, she's like a Barbie.
So like you, to us, you looklike a Barbie.
it's interesting to hear thatyou, you didn't see the same
thing.
I didn't.
And you know, like looking backnow, it's like, man, there's so
many lessons that I'd like toinstill in that young brain of
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mine back then.
But in the dress, I did feelconfident.
I did feel beautiful.
And I think it's really coolthat make that connection that
the dress was red and the bootswere red.
Yeah.
So your girl has like realstyle, you know what I mean?
We go through thesemetamorphosis over and over
again.
And sometimes we can feelinvisible or uncertain about our
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body or how clothes fit on ourbody, or how to even style
ourselves so that we can becomfortable, but also feel
confident.
What's your experience withthat?
I just wanna point out, a lot ofpeople's outer perceptions of
us, sometimes they're like, youhaven't changed that much.
Mm-hmm.
But what we see is different.
And so I wanna just acknowledgethat for a lot of.
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Listeners for myself, maybe formy sister, how that might be a
reality, right?
Mm-hmm.
Like other people might see usand be like, you didn't change
at all.
Or say you look really pretty inthat, or you look really
beautiful, or that fits youreally well.
Yeah.
And it doesn't feel like it fitsme well.
Yeah.
And I think it's a combinationof our bodies changing and also
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our self image changing.
The person we see in the mirrorchanges I also think it's
because our taste is changing,our values are changing, the way
that we think of ourselves indifferent eras of our life
shifts and molds.
But I did feel invisible.
We can all relate to that.
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I know it certainly had a lot ofmoments where I felt invisible
in my clothes.
And I think especially for me, Ibecame a mom in my late
twenties, early thirties.
And shifting into motherhood isa..Jarring experience because so
much of your life and yourpersona changes as you embrace
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motherhood.
The expectations that peoplehave of you also change.
And so I struggled with how do Iexpress myself with style and
fashion and also embrace being amom without being judged or
shamed.
Yeah.
And I was young still I was notready to be a mom.
I was like, I can't take a humanhome and raise it.
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But I did it.
I think we're okay.
And you did wonderful.
Learning how to dress my body.
I remember like going to thestore and, and thinking like,
what do moms wear?
Like, I had no idea.
I was like, oh my gosh, am Isupposed to wear sweatpants now?
Am I supposed to wearbutton-ups?
Can I still be sexy?
Am I allowed to feel sexy as amom?
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And it is just like, it's partof this journey that you go
through as you transition intotaking on this additional part
of yourself.
And the answer is, yeah, you canwear whatever the hell you want.
But you have to kind of figurethat out for yourself.
And that was probably one of thetimes where I maybe felt most
invisible when I would go outdressed because I didn't, I
didn't feel comfortable becauseI also didn't know how to
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embrace that new version ofmyself.
Were there any like fashionicons that you grew up with or
people that you saw and youthought, wow, they dress really
cool and I would like to dresslike that.
Like for me, a big one wasfriend dresher from the nanny.
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Mm-hmm.
I thought she was incredible.
And I was like, man, if I couldjust look like that I never felt
confident enough to dress likethat.
Has that ever been a thing foryou?
I'm trying to remember becauseit was so long ago, but um, in
the nineties, like a lot offashion icons, the style was
like stick skinny, no curves.
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Non-ethnic.
That's all there really was inpop culture.
And in the movies and on tv.
Friends became real big toofriends, the TV show with
Jennifer Aniston and CourtneyCox.
Yeah.
Also very thin.
Yeah.
Very non-ethnic.
Um, and so I would see thingslike they would wear on the show
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and I'd be like, oh, that'sreally nice, but I could never
wear that.
Got it.
Because I was a young Latina, Iwas very curvy.
Right.
And I just couldn't relate tothe visuals that I was seeing.
And so I never really hadanybody that I was like just
captivated by, in that sense.
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Got it.
As far as like fashion and stylegoes, and that probably
contributed to my confusion'cause I couldn't find somebody
who looked like me.
That I could relate to.
Yeah.
I think with me, I would lookand I would see like friend
rusher and I would see from thenanny and then I'd see Cher and
I'd be like, man, they're socool.
They're gorgeous.
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Her style was like very loud andvery colorful.
Yeah.
And I'm a little bit shy,reserved when I don't know
people.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's partially whylike I idolized that kind of
style.
'cause it was so loud and funand I felt like that on the
inside, but I couldn't reallyexpress that on the outside.
That wasn't natural to me.
That's probably why I have thelike, really close friend that I
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do because she is so loud andfun and she dresses like that
quite often, so I admire that.
I think it's really wonderfulwhen people embrace fashion and
use it as an extension ofself-expression.
I'm slowly starting to now, asmy fashion has evolved into this
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like very eclectic style.
embrace that in little ways.
Yeah.
Right.
Like, I wear fun, funky sockswhen I have to wear really
traditional outfits forprofessional settings.
I always try to do somethingfun, funky.
Mm-hmm.
Jewelry if I feel comfortable.
I'm not really the big jewelryperson.
I know you and mom are jewelrypeople.
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I love jewelry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then like cardigans havealways been my thing.
I've always loved grunge.
And I think that's another thingtoo that's really cool about
fashion, and maybe you can kindof chime in here, is like the
things that you admired and thedifferent cultures and music and
influences that trickled in thelittle best parts or the little
parts that you felt kind ofspoke to you.
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Like for me, it's always beencardigans, right?
Nirvana was a big thing for me.
So like, I just kind of keptcardigans.
It's like my thing forever.
I used to have this cool pair ofboots.
They were like these chunky kindof cognac colored boots that
came all the way up to my knee.
And I spent a lot of money onthem, it was a big deal,'cause I
was like, I can't really affordthese, but I really want them.
Yeah.
And I wore those things likenobody's business.
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Yeah.
And they're like back in stylenow, which is crazy.
It's like the little pieces thatI hold onto.
I, I look for things that makeme feel connected to my identity
and my culture.
I like patterns, intricatepatterns or detailed stitching,
or like that red dress that Ilove so much.
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It had that intricate kind ofwoven design on it, because I
felt like it hinted to like myhistory and my culture, but also
to like modern day.
Yeah.
So whenever I can bring that in,that, that makes me feel really
good.
I love a good long car cardiganand I'm a short person, I know
it's a no-no.
I feel really comfortable inthat.
And then jewelry, I thinkprobably because of my
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experiences growing up and therelationship that I've had to
build, thinking about style andfashion.
I leaned more into.
The importance of accessories.
So I really would rather spendhundreds of dollars on jewelry
than hundreds of dollars onclothes.
Yeah, that's fair.
I think it's starting to shift alittle bit now.
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What about fashion fail moments?
Have you had a fashion failrecently with, trying to follow
a trend that just wenthilariously wrong or just didn't
work out?
No.
You think the fail is that I'mnot trying to follow any trends.
For me, it's overalls.
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I used to love overalls.
I used to wear overalls all thefreaking time in my twenties.
Yeah.
With the cute little crop topunderneath.
Like just how it's come back.
'cause all the stuff we used towear is like now back.
And they were so comfortable andI was like super cool on my
overalls.
Okay.
Okay.
And they came back and I waslike, overalls are back.
Yeah.
And I bought myself a pair ofoveralls.
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I think I gave them to mom atsome point for gardening?
Because I put them on and Ilooked like a literal farmer.
I did not look cool, I did notlook cute, I look like a farmer.
This is where where theextension of fashion, like doing
your hair in a cute way, yougotta also bring the style when
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you're incorporating somethinglike overalls.
I think I showed you and mom andyou were like, yeah, you do look
like a farmer.
They're so cute on everyoneelse.
But you know, I'm curvier nowI'm older and it just didn't
hit, you know?
I thought for sure.
I'm totally gonna rock theseoveralls.
I was so excited.
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I was like, I'm gonna wear theseeverywhere.
And I put them on and I waslike, wah, wah wa.
No, they gotta go back.
Well, at least you're trying, Ithink at the end of the day, as
long as you're giving it a shot.
There was one thing that fashionfailed crop top.
I'm not a fan of crop top and itdidn't fashion fail.
I just don't have the confidenceto wear a crop.
You need confidence for a croptop.
Yeah.
You need, you need to becarefree.
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Okay.
And I'm not one of those people.
I care a lot, I'm not carefreecrop top girl.
And I'm okay.
I had to accept that and I'mokay with it.
Yeah.
I, I dig a good crop top.
I appreciate now that they'remaking them, a little less
croppy and a little more toppy,a little more toppy.
Because you know, with age, Ihave a bigger bust and, I don't
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need my boobs falling out thebottom of my crop top if I put
my hands up.
I could wear a cute high waistedpant with a nice, appropriately
length cropped top.
But yeah, so funny how in ourheads we're like, yeah, I could
totally do this.
I rock this.
You put it on and you're like,what?
I'm like a toddler.
It's not a thing.
I appreciate that we can reflecton it and have fun with it.
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Let's talk about fashion andstyle as a joyful act, learning
to have fun with it.
it really changes how you seeyourself in fashion and style,
how you engage, how you dress,the things that you choose to
put on.
If I like put on an outfit andI'm like this outfit is basic
and boring, but I'm just gonnawear it because this is what
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40-year-old professionals wearand I don't feel good.
It's gonna impact my day.
Yeah.
But if I can put something onthat feels joyful, that makes me
smile, that makes me mayberemember my childhood or my
young adulthood when I couldhave fun with what I was putting
on my body.
So we can bring some of that joyback.
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It totally changes how you, itdoes show up in the world.
I like to call it the SilentRebellion.
Once I put that on my ownpersonal social media and a
bunch of middle aged men lovedit.
They were reposting it.
It was really interesting.
Fashion is a silent rebellionwhen you get to your middle age.
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I've shared this with Andy, thatI think that when you're in your
thirties and forties and eveninto your fifties, you're in
your second adolescence.
There is a movement right nowwhere there, is more visual
representation of aging womenthan there used to be.
Yeah.
So a few people have told me forjeans, go to American Eagle.
Mm-hmm.
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And I was like, wait, you know,I'm like a full on grownup.
Right?
isn't that high school clothes?
And they're like, no.
They're, they're catering toolder markets now and they've
expanded their sizes, they carryall the different lengths and
they really have I would nevereven go into that store,
unprovoked.
I haven't bought jeans fromthere yet.
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I'm gonna try it.
I'm gonna go outside my comfortzone.
You should try it.
I think.
You have to try it with me.
You know, we can go to theoutlets.
You know, I used to shop atAmerican Eagle with that one
high school friend whointroduced me to them, that was
actually one of the first, Ithink it was American Eagle and
it was, uh, Hollister.
Those were the name brands thatI had never heard of prior to
becoming friends with thisperson.
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And then they were like, let'sgo, they have models standing
outside of their stores.
Abercrombie and Fitch.
And so did Hollister for alittle while too.
Yeah.
And yeah, we would go to thosestores.
That was normal.
So to hear that they havecatered to a wider range of
women, Bravo to them.
I, I like can't even walk into astore.
I have to go get my teenagedaughter so that it's more
appropriate for me to walk intothe store.
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Like, are you buying somethingfor your No, I'm shopping for
myself.
One of the critical things thatwe wanna just, I wanna point out
too, women over 40 are criticalto your brand success.
This is a real statistic.
There are 83 million women over40 in this country.
That's a full 25% of the USpopulation.
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Mm-hmm.
Put in another way.
One in four Americans is a womanover 40.
Yep.
So.
I'm almost there.
I'm not there yet, but I'malmost there.
And I wanna say like that thatbracket between 35 to 45, 50
companies that aren't movingtoward tailoring some of their
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fashion options to that bracketare seriously missing out, on
major revenue streams.
Have you noticed that, like,when you shop now, are there
different things that bring youjoy now?
Things that like you'reattracted to that you will buy
for yourself now that maybe youwouldn't buy your for yourself
before?
So there's an interestingphenomena that's happening.
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I have a ton of dresses.
I don't wear them very often,but I love wearing dresses.
With a nice cardigan or a nicejacket.
It's a big thing for me and Ilike wearing, shear tights.
I like layers.
I don't know what that saysabout me, but I think it means
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that I'm supposed to live in NewYork.
I don't know.
You gotta also buy the rightsize.
Like Tan France says it's a fineline between finding the right
size for your body and thenpicking something that you're
just used to, or you might feelmore comfortable in because
you're self-conscious.
I think that's where I findmyself kind of struggling
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sometimes I have self-consciousmoments.
Growing into my body and beingokay with my body and loving my
body has become a staple.
And understanding that myfashion choices, they don't have
to be a thing of the past.
Like I don't necessarily need towear all the things that I wore
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when I was young, to feelconfident.
Mm-hmm.
I felt a level of confidence ina lot of those things, and
that's why I think I have thosereally reminiscent in
associations.
But it did take a moment and italso took a moment because my
peer group looks different andlike.
I had to kind of accept that Ihave so many different beautiful
people around me.
I don't have to look like anyparticular person.
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Mm-hmm.
I can just look like me.
But you can make yourself feelreally good and fashionable in a
nice jogger set.
Mm-hmm.
Or in a nice pair of jeans andregular t-shirts and layer the
way that you feel comfortable.
Mm-hmm.
Or long sleeve shirts havebecome a really big thing for
me.
Mm-hmm.
So I am like dreading summerbecause then my fashion's gonna
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go straight out the door.
In summer, that's when Istruggle the most because I hate
sweating.
How about you?
I think what brings me joy orthings that I pick out now are
like pops of color especiallylike a nice fuchsia pink.
You do like that color.
I do.
I love it.
It makes me so happy when I seeit, and I'm very careful about
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like how I use it, but it tracksmy attention right away.
Again, very close to red.
So I think we're discovering anew trend here.
It's also like Reem embracingthat part of femininity.
Pink, I think growing up meantsomething different that we both
rejected.
In a lot of ways.
Mm-hmm.
And that was probably because ofthe time in the era.
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And now it's like I re-embracedit and I'm like, screw you.
I'm gonna wear this and I'mgonna fricking enjoy it.
I also really like the sheerlike ways to use sheer sets.
I always thought, I'm much morecurvy now and that's really not
a thing.
But I will say I am followingsome people on social media who
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show you how to style yourclothes differently.
And there's so many cuteoutfits.
And I think it's also a fun wayto bring in this idea of feeling
a little sexier without thestereotypical way of just
showing all these parts of yourbody.
Yeah.
But having like a cute blazedrun with a little tank top that
has like a little sheer V-neckpart in it.
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Yeah, I bought a shirt likethat, but a long sleeve one that
has the little, yeah.
And they're super cute and Ithink you can feel sexy.
I mean, when I was in mytwenties, early twenties and
going out dancing all the time,I didn't dress like a hoochie
mama.
I dressed pretty simple, kind ofelevated but I felt really sexy
in what I was wearing.
So I think it has everything todo with how you feel and what
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you put on your body.
When you're younger you getvalidation in different ways.
So what you're wearing whenyou're younger, sometimes that
validation comes with that.
But as you get older you learnhow to create that validation
from yourself.
There's a lot of people outthere that are really, really
well versed in this and thingslike TikTok and Instagram are
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really helpful tools.
And Pinterest, I know Pinterest,girls love going on Pinterest..
Pinning, you know, look booksbasically.
That's totally helpful because.
It's like you have your ownmodel.
So I do appreciate that.
'cause that's not something wehad before.
Right?
But to see all different shapesof curvy women, women of
different ages.
Obviously the ones that I followare thirties and above because I
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can relate more to that styleand the pieces that they're
choosing.
Yeah.
Although there are some that I'mlike, that's not gonna happen.
But it is so helpful.
It's almost like a mirror whereyou can almost envision and
picture yourself in that outfit.
And with it comes a feeling.
Like I can look at an outfitfrom one of the Instagram
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influencers that I follow andgo, that's so cute.
And I can imagine myself.
Wearing it, doing something.
Yeah.
I could see that.
I have some that are youngerthan me, some that are older
than me.
There's like a Silver Fox lady,she's wonderful.
And then I also have, twocurvaceous, 30 year olds.
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I have moments still though I'mvery human.
And I have moments where I'mreally hard on myself.
There's other times where I'llsee, some of my peers are very
free in a lot of their decisionsthat they make, I admire that,
and I really want to emulatethat to some degree, but in the
lane of which I'm comfortablewith, and that I find sexy and
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enjoyable.
Ironically, even though I'm, Iam pretty much a free spirit in
a lot of ways, I'm conservativewith how I dress.
With the exception of the factthat I have tattoos all over my
arms.
Probably a little bit cultural,a little bit societal.
My tattoos are like my own giftsto myself.
I don't really share a lot ofthem.
Sometimes I will, depending, onmy environment and how
comfortable I feel.
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So it's been an interestingjourney for me to kind of figure
out what feels good on my bodyat this age.
And I think identifying whatmakes you joyful helps.
You know what I think we shoulddo is I think we should go buy
some fancy ass dresses or likesome super fur coats, like wild
outfits and just go to thesupermarket.
Okay.
Just faux fur though.
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But you know what I'm saying,something that just feels so
wild and fun and and you havethat, that child, innocent joy.
You're just having a good timeand you're just having a good
time.
Like getting that, and thengoing to home goods.
Yeah.
That's in a hot pink sparkly forcoat.
I know you mentioned yourtattoos.
Mm-hmm.
Do you see your tattoos as partof how you style yourself now?
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Uh, yeah.
There's only, one tattoo, that'sa mistake, but everything else
is great.
I honestly think, my tattoos arean extension of my expression,
of my love for life, and they'repersonal to me.
I do love them.
I will also say when I wasyounger, I used to idolize
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people on tv.
I would, this is.
There was a show called JerrySpringer.
Oh my God.
My dad used to watch it.
There was a bunch of people,they used to have tattooed
segments and my dad would say,oh my God, you better not get no
tattoos.
And I would be like, I wanttattoos so bad.
He'd be like under nocircumstances will you get
tattoos.
And then I got them, and he wasprobably really disappointed.
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Did I ever tell you what he saidto me about tattoos?
Mind you, he also had tattoos.
He had tattoos.
Culturally, he grew up in, hegrew up in an era where tattoos
meant something, different, verydifferent.
And not as much of an artfulexpression as other movements.
Yeah.
But I will say I love my tattoosand, I don't feel ashamed of
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them.
I do though wanna recognize thathe was warning me that life is a
little harder when you havetattoos.
You can get stereotyped reallyeasily.
Right.
And he just didn't know how toconvey that.
What do you think your stylesays about who you are today?
Like Mitch, today in 2025?
Mitch, today in 2025, postmoderngrunge sprinkled in with a
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little, just like casual chill.
That's another big thing buyingretro sneakers I love'em because
only being able to afford thingsoff the clearance rack usually
meant you got those kind ofshoes And it usually meant I had
the loudest sneakers in theschool.
It brought a lot of attentionand bullying.
Mm-hmm.
And so now rebranding that in ajoyous way.
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I wear them with pride.
Remember Payless?
Oh, I love Payless.
Shout out to anybody whoremembers Payless.
When you're in K through 12,payless is not, not it, right?
'cause your friends had the coolReebok with the glitter.
Two different, two tone, twocolor tones, or the shoes with
shoeless skates.
And you didn't have that, right?
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You had the Payless brandsneaker.
What do you think your stylesays about you, Andy?
I think today, Andy, today,2025.
I'm still trying to figure itout in my new era, but I think
what's interesting about where Iam in life right now, and this
is a gift of aging, is I'malmost going back and finding
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that same joy in the way I usedto dress and the things I would
pick out for myself when I was2021.
22 now in my forties.
So now I do still feel like I'mlike this boho chill vibe.
Like I dig a good boho matchingflowy outfit.
Yes.
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All day...
I just feel so comfortable andfree and it's just something
very peaceful about that vibe.
So I think it says like, chill,warm, but also there's parts of
my style now that um, have alittle bite to them, that maybe
have a little more complexity toit that makes people go, okay,
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there's something special.
There's something magical inthere.
As well.
So it's kind of like thiselevated version of that.
Which I used to do back in theday, you know?
Yeah.
So all the versions of yourself.
Coming together.
Yeah.
And it's just like this returnhome to self.
There are some things like funsneakers or like really bright,
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colorful tops under like ablazer.
And having fun with the jewelryand things like that, that I
really enjoy.
I do still like a simple makeupstyle.
I like it to be kind of classicclean.
I think it says I'm warm, chilldown to earth, but I also am
fun.
It's less about the trends nowand it's more about intention
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and how we choose the thingsthat make us feel like
ourselves.
And in order to feel likeyourself, you also need to do
the work to get to know who thatis.
Yeah.
Like Bill Cunningham said,fashion is the armor to survive
everyday life.
And if you don't know who BillCunningham was, he was a great
American fashion photographer.
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Beautiful quote.
Thank you.
All right, so we've talked aboutall these different intricacies
as it relates to style andfashion.
As women.
Going through life, embracingourselves differently, and
really finding that confidencein ourselves.
And loving ourselves really iskind of what it comes down to.
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This, intentional self-love thatallows yourself to feel worthy
and find joy.
In what you pick and how youdress yourself.
And it doesn't have to behigh-end fashion or spending a
boatload of money.
It can be done verystrategically.
Let's talk about like leaningmore into the fun side of it,
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you know?
What's your, what's your go-tooutfit that makes you feel good?
I'm a Jeans girl, I love jeansand sneakers and fun t-shirts.
But I love, elevating thesimple.
So, an outfit that I can wearthat will always make me feel
good no matter what I'm doing.
Is like a cool pair of jeans, Afun sneaker.
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I love a good white sneaker.
I know that dates me, but Idon't care.
The outfit for me that makes mefeel good is gonna be a nice,
they're called skater dresses, Iguess, or they're pretty much
like little summer dresses undera cardigan.
Some sheer tights and some niceboots.
So I'm all about that foreverfall vibe.
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Are there any fashion rulesyou've gladly broken in your
thirties and forties?
Yeah, I dunno if there arerules.
I, and it kind of, maybe they'reunspoken rules or rules I made
up.
I don't know, but to actuallylean into fashion trends a
little bit more because as I'veaged, I've almost felt like, oh,
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I'm too old for that.
Okay.
So I can't wear it even if Ilike it and so I would stay away
from it.
And then look at Chicos with sadeyes, like I guess it's just me
and you.
Because I think when you're inyour thirties and forties,
you're kind of stuck in themiddle.
It's like we're not in grandmaera, but we're also not forever
21.
I've leaned into breaking thatmyth.
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And some of those stereotypes ofthat if you're, if you're over a
certain age, you can't wearcertain things.
I do very much believe like justbecause you can doesn't mean you
should.
So I'm not trying to rock thingsthat don't work for my body.
But I dig the fact that, thenineties have made such a
comeback.
Because it just reminds me ofthat youthful time where I used
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to have fun with my clothes andused to enjoy wearing them and I
didn't have a massive wardrobe,but I had so much fun with it.
So I'm really embracing that.
Like I can take some of thosetrends that were trends in the
nineties growing up, but are nowcool again and incorporate them
as like staple pieces.
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To create these outfits that Ican say I love this outfit so
much that I don't care if it'snot in style because I feel so
good wearing it.
I'm gonna continue to wear it.
What about you?
Fashion rules that I gladlybreak.
I love a nice skinny jean.
I heard they're making it comeback and it's making me so sad.
I love them I bought one pair ofrelaxed fit jeans and I am
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comfortable in them sometimes,but I grew up in that like
screamo emo phase, and skinnyjeans were all the jams.
So I don't like the super tightskinny jeans where it looks like
you have to cut yourself out ofthem.
But I like, like a nice fittedskinny jean.
I'm all for it, but it also fitsyour body, right?
I do have long, gangly legs.
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Yes, they're not gangly.
She has beautiful long legs.
What about the wear white rule?
What do you mean?
I like you're not supposed towear white after Labor Day.
I love a good white t-shirt andjean.
I do enjoy a nice white buttondown shirt.
Yeah.
Or a nice white T crisp t-shirt.
Yes.
White tennis shoes.
So maybe that is a rule that I'mbreaking.
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That is a rule you're breaking.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, because I don't, I don'treally follow that whole, like,
white after Labor Day says Who?
Show me the receipts.
A good white t-shirt, a nicewhite shoe.
It never hurt nobody.
I also like to break the rulesbecause I think, again, it's
like a rebellion without anexplanation.
Yeah.
And you don't always have toexplain yourself to other
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people.
I think sometimes you could justbreak the rules, like if you
feel like you wanna be extrafeminine or you wanna challenge
some of the feminine stereotypesor whatever it might be, there's
ways to do it in fashion thatare really tasteful.
Yeah.
And I think you have to figureout what your fashion style is.
'cause is it feminine?
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Does it lead to be moremasculine?
And you could do it all like,you could literally be feminine
on Tuesday, feel like you wannabe more masculine on a
Wednesday.
And that's okay.
Yeah.
I mean like Diane Keaton, dianeKean wears her suits and it's no
big deal.
That's a power move.
If I've ever seen one as awoman, that is a power move.
It just looks great.
Yeah.
Good pants suit with a nicewhite crisp tea, good band
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shirt, sign me up.
Yeah.
Again, it's like finding thatcomfort.
Something that you feel good,powerful and sexy, and sometimes
powerful looks can feel sexy.
Mm-hmm.
And it's not about beingrevealing and sometimes having
those little nods to filling,revealing, or being fully
revealing, if you're reallycomfortable with that, sexy.
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Yeah.
So it's just, it's up to you andhow you feel you wanna express
yourself in that area.
What's one tip you'd give youryounger self about style?
Wear what you want.
Yeah.
Like, just kind of reiteratingwhat we were, what we've been
talking about is if it makes youhappy, wear it.
If you feel good in it, wear it.
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If you feel like it's justcompliments your personality, it
compliments your body, yourstyle, wear it.
Like, don't be so hung up onwhat you think other people are
gonna think about you based onyour fashion sense and your
style.
Or even if you think you have alack thereof.
Just be yourself.
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Because there's something reallypowerful about embracing your
authenticity in that.
And people see it.
So they look past the like,well, this person's a little
eclectic in their dress.
But they're like, it becomespart of your personality.
They're like, no, that's, that'sMitch.
She's super cool.
That's how she dresses and ittotally fits her vibe.
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Embrace it, and run with it andhave as much fun with it as
possible.
Experiment with differentstyles.
And really figure out what youlove most about style and
fashion and go with it.
Very well said.
What's one tip you would giveyour younger self about style?
I'm gonna go more practicalbecause you already covered all
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the bases with that one.
Comfort isn't secondary.
I think for me, a lot of timeswhen I was younger, I would buy
what looked the coolest and wasthe most affordable at the
expense of my feet.
You can find a middle groundthere.
You don't have to hurt your feetto go dancing.
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And I would say that dressyourself to feel confident in
the person that you are not theperson that other people want
you to be.
And being you and what makes youfeel good as being you, is
enough.
Yes, you are worthy.
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And it's okay to look frumpysome days.
Not every day is a makeup day.
And listen, elastic waistbandsare where it's at comfort.
They're chill, man.
Comfort is where it's at.
You can incorporate all of that.
It's just about finding the joy.
There's not just one way to dosomething.
And I think being okay withfinding those things as you move
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along throughout your journey isnatural.
And if you're not feelingcomfortable in your skin or
you're not feeling, safe in theversion of yourself that you're
expressing to the world.
It's okay to experiment, likeAndy said.
Thanks for coming along on thatjourney with us.
It turns out we are cool enoughto talk about fashion, just not
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in the way we thought.
If you've been in a style rut,which I have, which Mitch has,
then maybe this is your sign totry on something joyful, that
dress, that shirt, that piece ofjewelry that you've been eyeing
and you've told yourself, Hmm, Idon't deserve it.
I'm not worthy enough for it.
Or it's just gonna look silly.
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Just go for it.
We're telling you, go for it.
And as one of our favoritecharacters in that wonderful
movie, Spanglish said"Just tryit on".
Fashion isn't about beingtrendy, it's about remembering
who you are and dressing forthat version of you.
So perhaps we are not full onfashionistas, but we are cool
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enough to remind you thatfeeling good in your clothes is
the real flex.
Whether you're in your sweats,your Sunday best, or somewhere
in between style is aboutfeeling like you, again.
If you love this episode, shareit with a friend who's been
rocking the same hoodie since2017.
And don't forget to subscribe.
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Leave us a review and follow uson Instagram for more chisme
laughs and glow up energy.
Until next time, stay comfy,stay stylish and stay you.
Bye bye.
Welcome back to Andy and Mitch,the podcast where two sisters
from two generations.
Keep it real, keep it warm andkeep it at least a little
stylish.
Here's the thing, while we maynot be style influencers, we are
women in our thirties andforties learning how to dress
these evolving bodies and busylives.
In this episode, we are talkingabout how our relationship with
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fashion has changed the joy ofrediscovering our style and the
little ways we are glowing upour wardrobes.
One boho tea and comfy pair ofjeans at a time.
Let's get into it.
So when we first made.
Our episode list when we decidedto do the podcast and we're
coming up with ideas on thingsthat we wanted to talk about,
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fashion was on it.
Mm-hmm.
And we immediately laughed butthen I was thinking about it.
After we had done some editingand recorded other things and we
were talking and I thought, whynot us?
I think we're the perfect peopleto talk about it because we're
the busy woman who's in herthirties and forties trying to
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figure it out.
Right.
And I think just people ingeneral could probably relate to
this.
Not just women, but we gothrough this evolution through
each decade of our lives.
So just in that train ofthought, I came back to Mitch
and I said, I think we need todo this topic.
I still wasn't sold, but I'mhere.
So I don't think she, I don'tthink you're still sold now, but
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this is the exact kind ofconversation that women need to
have.
Yeah, I agree.
Especially women like us.
Like I think we see a lot of theidealistic fashion and style out
there a lot in the magazines andpop culture and tv, but the
reality of that, it doesn't lineup, right?
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Like you kind of have to figureout how style comes to play in
your life as you grow andevolve.
Mm-hmm.
And age gracefully.
I agree with that.
And I think that we also have toremember that fashion has been
depicted in mainstream ways.
That feels unattainable, but itactually started with real
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people, people just walkingaround the streets.
Mm-hmm.
You know, other people tooknotice that they were trying to
express themselves in uniqueways.
And then it was monopolized.
Right.
And like they started makingmoney off of it.
Yeah.
And in a lot of ways fashion wasused, in revolutionary ways.
Yeah.
European women used to wear redlipstick?
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In support of like women'srights and things like that.
Fashion has its roots inprehistoric times when humans
began using clothing forpractical purposes, but it
evolved into this form of self,expression and societal status
on one end.
And on the other spectrum, itdid become this revolutionary
way of expressing yourself andso there's, there's some fun,
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funky elements to fashion that Ifeel like it, if we look at it
with the right set of goggles,it can actually be pretty
wonderful.
So for our fun middle agedselves, which I don't know if
we're middle aged or we're stilltechnically kind of young.
It depends on who you're talkingto, you know?
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Yeah.
Like, because if you're talkingto a young person, you've
already died, you're a dinosaur.
We're, yeah.
But if you're talking to an oldperson, they're like, dude
you're just a baby.
So I think really fashion there,like we have to approach fashion
with perspective that it isreally just about expressing
yourself.
When you think about fashion oryou talk about fashion, if you
don't consider yourself to be afashionista, and that hasn't
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always been your thing, youreally shy away from it and you
kind of fall in line to these,predetermined clothing
stereotypes.
I do wanna dive into this alittle bit more when we think
about this idea of like thisfashion disconnect that happens
from when we're young and howthat disconnect exists as we
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move through these differentgenerations of life.
I mean.
When did we even stop feelingcool in our clothes?
For the record, I never feltcool in my clothes, I think the
shift is associated for mepersonally when my body started
to shift and change in differentways.
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As I aged, I started to likefeel a little bit disconnected
from what was sociallyacceptable at certain, pivotal
points.
But then I realized I've alwayskind of lived in this rebel
world, where I was really intoDoc Martens and I was like,
grunge was really big.
Mm-hmm.
We shopped at Miller to Outpostif we were really lucky.
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You know, we come from like alower class family,....I didn't
know that people didn't buytheir clothes on layaway.
I know you've mentioned thattoo.
...and a lot of times it was thediscounted items that were
available to you growing up.
Now I look back at it and I'mlike, man, we were actually
really fashionable....but in thesuburbs or the suburbs of Los
Angeles,......it wasn't sociallyacceptable and we were kind of
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that outcast.
I didn't have that experience.
So I think it depends on likewhat the dynamics of your social
circle are.
Yeah.
But I definitely relate to the,like growing up.
You know, fashion was somethingyou had to create.
I felt like it was just acreative venture that we would
go on to just piece things fromthe thrift store, from layaway
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at Kmart, which was always likethe end of season stuff cause we
could get it at a cheaper price.
So we were not like on trend inthat way and fashionable in that
way, but we were stillfashionable'cause we would
create it and make it work forourselves.
And.
I feel like a lot of times Iwould feel really proud of like
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the clothes I was wearing justbecause it meant something to
me.
'cause I worked hard to put ittogether.
And one of our aunts from PuertoRico, I always felt she was
super fashionable.
'cause she was just super cool.
She still is But she would helpme see things and put things
together and be like, Miha, wedon't need to spend$200 on an
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outfit for you to feel good.
Like, let's put this together.
Let's piece that together andlet's switch this.
And that was probably one of thefirst times I ever felt like I
had any sense or idea aroundstyle.
Yeah.
Like how to style yourself.
'cause before I would just wearwhatever because it was, I
didn't have a choice.
I didn't get to pick outeverything.
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And so I, I didn't feel like Ileaned into fashion or style.
I wasn't a fashionist in anyway.
I would see things and it'd belike, that's really cool.
I really want that.
But we never could afford it, soI didn't allow myself the
opportunity to like dive deepinto it.
But with Artia, I feel likethat's probably one of the first
times that I felt like, oh, Ican create something and make a
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statement for myself as a youngteenager and feel happy with it.
And feel content with what I waswearing and not be embarrassed
cause it wasn't like super namebrand or super on trend.
Yeah.
I didn't even know name brands.
So there's that.
Yeah.
That's a thing.
I mean like how you grow upreally, has a direct impact in
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how you think about style andfashion.
When you think back was thereany outfit or any article of
clothing, that you had that madeyou feel just amazing or
confident or unstoppable?
Like back in the day.
My glitter jellies.
Oh my god.
Fricking glitter jellies.
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You had so many glitter jellies.
I was in love with them.
Mom threw some away at onepoint.
She did?
Yeah.
They were amazing.
They made me feel magical.
I could literally climb trees inthem.
We had this little like tree inthe back and then we lived like
in this area that had like a lotof wood in the back'cause it was
like a construction company upfront.
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And so, um, I would climb thewood in the back and like jump
around with the boys and I coulddo everything in my glitter
jellies.
I was safe, I was content.
I never got hurt.
And I looked cute as heck.
You gotta love glitter jellies.
How about you?
I think I have two.
At first I was like, no, Ididn't have one when I was
younger, but I did when I wasreally little.
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This is before your existence.
Okay.
Our abuela, our grandma.
On our father's side bought mered cowboy boots from Mexico.
I have seen pictures.
Yes.
I was obsessed with thosefreaking cowboy boots and I wore
them everywhere, for everything.
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Grandma, used to also buy theselike big poofy Mexican dresses
and she would like want us toget all dressed up and they'd
come with shiny shoes.
Yeah.
And I would not put on the shinyshoes and I would put the boots
on underneath.
Yeah.
And these were warm boots.
Y'all like, I love these bootsso much.
They were, they had lived a lifealready lived.
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And I remember grandma would getso mad and she'd be like, you
need to put on the shiny shoes.
I'd be like, no, I reject yourshiny shoes.
I am only here for the boots.
Yeah.
And I wore those things.
So they practically startedfalling apart.
And I think at one point our momprobably had to sneak them away
and throw them away becauseYeah.
They just weren't usableanymore.
But I, as a kid, wearing those,I felt so confident.
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I just felt real cool, you know?
Yeah.
And different, and that'sprobably reflecting back one of
the first times that I reallyembraced, like my own unique
sense of style That I wouldn'tembrace again yet until I was in
my twenties.
My early twenties is when Istarted to kind of lean into
style and fashion a little bitmore and feed my little boho
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heart.
And I had my own job, my ownmoney, so I started buying more
things for myself and learningthings that felt good to have on
And there's something with thecolor red.
Okay.
I just, I just realized this inthis moment that both of my
stories have to do withsomething red.
Okay.
So I had to look that up.
If you're intuitive, just dropme a message and tell me what
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that means.
The boots were red and then oneof my close friends who's still
a close friend of mine to thisday bought me a red dress at
Windsor or some shit like that.
Oh, I do remember this.
And it was like a knitted, itwas really beautiful, like a
very intricately knitted,strapless dress.
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It was red, straight down, twoslits on the side.
It had like a tie belt on it.
Yes.
And I freaking loved that dress.
I don't know why.
It just really spoke to me.
It was kind of boho, it was kindof classic to like a classic
vibe, but it was red and everytime I put that dress on, I felt
like a million bucks.
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I just felt beautiful and I feltconfident, which, you know,
growing up as a young woman, Irarely felt that way.
I had a really hard time withconfidence growing up and being
very curvy.
It's still a work in progress.
But I loved that dress so much.
There's a picture of you byyourself.
I'm gonna find it.
Yeah.
And you're wearing that dressand you have your hair down and
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it's all red and stuff.
And when we were little, we werelike, she's like a Barbie.
So like you, to us, you looklike a Barbie.
it's interesting to hear thatyou, you didn't see the same
thing.
I didn't.
And you know, like looking backnow, it's like, man, there's so
many lessons that I'd like toinstill in that young brain of
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mine back then.
But in the dress, I did feelconfident.
I did feel beautiful.
And I think it's really coolthat make that connection that
the dress was red and the bootswere red.
Yeah.
So your girl has like realstyle, you know what I mean?
We go through thesemetamorphosis over and over
again.
And sometimes we can feelinvisible or uncertain about our
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body or how clothes fit on ourbody, or how to even style
ourselves so that we can becomfortable, but also feel
confident.
What's your experience withthat?
I just wanna point out, a lot ofpeople's outer perceptions of
us, sometimes they're like, youhaven't changed that much.
Mm-hmm.
But what we see is different.
And so I wanna just acknowledgethat for a lot of.
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Listeners for myself, maybe formy sister, how that might be a
reality, right?
Mm-hmm.
Like other people might see usand be like, you didn't change
at all.
Or say you look really pretty inthat, or you look really
beautiful, or that fits youreally well.
Yeah.
And it doesn't feel like it fitsme well.
Yeah.
And I think it's a combinationof our bodies changing and also
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our self image changing.
The person we see in the mirrorchanges I also think it's
because our taste is changing,our values are changing, the way
that we think of ourselves indifferent eras of our life
shifts and molds.
But I did feel invisible.
We can all relate to that.
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I know it certainly had a lot ofmoments where I felt invisible
in my clothes.
And I think especially for me, Ibecame a mom in my late
twenties, early thirties.
And shifting into motherhood isa..Jarring experience because so
much of your life and yourpersona changes as you embrace
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motherhood.
The expectations that peoplehave of you also change.
And so I struggled with how do Iexpress myself with style and
fashion and also embrace being amom without being judged or
shamed.
Yeah.
And I was young still I was notready to be a mom.
I was like, I can't take a humanhome and raise it.
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But I did it.
I think we're okay.
And you did wonderful.
Learning how to dress my body.
I remember like going to thestore and, and thinking like,
what do moms wear?
Like, I had no idea.
I was like, oh my gosh, am Isupposed to wear sweatpants now?
Am I supposed to wearbutton-ups?
Can I still be sexy?
Am I allowed to feel sexy as amom?
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And it is just like, it's partof this journey that you go
through as you transition intotaking on this additional part
of yourself.
And the answer is, yeah, you canwear whatever the hell you want.
But you have to kind of figurethat out for yourself.
And that was probably one of thetimes where I maybe felt most
invisible when I would go outdressed because I didn't, I
didn't feel comfortable becauseI also didn't know how to
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embrace that new version ofmyself.
Were there any like fashionicons that you grew up with or
people that you saw and youthought, wow, they dress really
cool and I would like to dresslike that.
Like for me, a big one wasfriend dresher from the nanny.
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Mm-hmm.
I thought she was incredible.
And I was like, man, if I couldjust look like that I never felt
confident enough to dress likethat.
Has that ever been a thing foryou?
I'm trying to remember becauseit was so long ago, but um, in
the nineties, like a lot offashion icons, the style was
like stick skinny, no curves.
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Non-ethnic.
That's all there really was inpop culture.
And in the movies and on tv.
Friends became real big toofriends, the TV show with
Jennifer Aniston and CourtneyCox.
Yeah.
Also very thin.
Yeah.
Very non-ethnic.
Um, and so I would see thingslike they would wear on the show
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and I'd be like, oh, that'sreally nice, but I could never
wear that.
Got it.
Because I was a young Latina, Iwas very curvy.
Right.
And I just couldn't relate tothe visuals that I was seeing.
And so I never really hadanybody that I was like just
captivated by, in that sense.
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Got it.
As far as like fashion and stylegoes, and that probably
contributed to my confusion'cause I couldn't find somebody
who looked like me.
That I could relate to.
Yeah.
I think with me, I would lookand I would see like friend
rusher and I would see from thenanny and then I'd see Cher and
I'd be like, man, they're socool.
They're gorgeous.
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Her style was like very loud andvery colorful.
Yeah.
And I'm a little bit shy,reserved when I don't know
people.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's partially whylike I idolized that kind of
style.
'cause it was so loud and funand I felt like that on the
inside, but I couldn't reallyexpress that on the outside.
That wasn't natural to me.
That's probably why I have thelike, really close friend that I
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do because she is so loud andfun and she dresses like that
quite often, so I admire that.
I think it's really wonderfulwhen people embrace fashion and
use it as an extension ofself-expression.
I'm slowly starting to now, asmy fashion has evolved into this
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like very eclectic style.
embrace that in little ways.
Yeah.
Right.
Like, I wear fun, funky sockswhen I have to wear really
traditional outfits forprofessional settings.
I always try to do somethingfun, funky.
Mm-hmm.
Jewelry if I feel comfortable.
I'm not really the big jewelryperson.
I know you and mom are jewelrypeople.
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I love jewelry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then like cardigans havealways been my thing.
I've always loved grunge.
And I think that's another thingtoo that's really cool about
fashion, and maybe you can kindof chime in here, is like the
things that you admired and thedifferent cultures and music and
influences that trickled in thelittle best parts or the little
parts that you felt kind ofspoke to you.
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Like for me, it's always beencardigans, right?
Nirvana was a big thing for me.
So like, I just kind of keptcardigans.
It's like my thing forever.
I used to have this cool pair ofboots.
They were like these chunky kindof cognac colored boots that
came all the way up to my knee.
And I spent a lot of money onthem, it was a big deal,'cause I
was like, I can't really affordthese, but I really want them.
Yeah.
And I wore those things likenobody's business.
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Yeah.
And they're like back in stylenow, which is crazy.
It's like the little pieces thatI hold onto.
I, I look for things that makeme feel connected to my identity
and my culture.
I like patterns, intricatepatterns or detailed stitching,
or like that red dress that Ilove so much.
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It had that intricate kind ofwoven design on it, because I
felt like it hinted to like myhistory and my culture, but also
to like modern day.
Yeah.
So whenever I can bring that in,that, that makes me feel really
good.
I love a good long car cardiganand I'm a short person, I know
it's a no-no.
I feel really comfortable inthat.
And then jewelry, I thinkprobably because of my
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experiences growing up and therelationship that I've had to
build, thinking about style andfashion.
I leaned more into.
The importance of accessories.
So I really would rather spendhundreds of dollars on jewelry
than hundreds of dollars onclothes.
Yeah, that's fair.
I think it's starting to shift alittle bit now.
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What about fashion fail moments?
Have you had a fashion failrecently with, trying to follow
a trend that just wenthilariously wrong or just didn't
work out?
No.
You think the fail is that I'mnot trying to follow any trends.
For me, it's overalls.
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I used to love overalls.
I used to wear overalls all thefreaking time in my twenties.
Yeah.
With the cute little crop topunderneath.
Like just how it's come back.
'cause all the stuff we used towear is like now back.
And they were so comfortable andI was like super cool on my
overalls.
Okay.
Okay.
And they came back and I waslike, overalls are back.
Yeah.
And I bought myself a pair ofoveralls.
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I think I gave them to mom atsome point for gardening?
Because I put them on and Ilooked like a literal farmer.
I did not look cool, I did notlook cute, I look like a farmer.
This is where where theextension of fashion, like doing
your hair in a cute way, yougotta also bring the style when
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you're incorporating somethinglike overalls.
I think I showed you and mom andyou were like, yeah, you do look
like a farmer.
They're so cute on everyoneelse.
But you know, I'm curvier nowI'm older and it just didn't
hit, you know?
I thought for sure.
I'm totally gonna rock theseoveralls.
I was so excited.
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I was like, I'm gonna wear theseeverywhere.
And I put them on and I waslike, wah, wah wa.
No, they gotta go back.
Well, at least you're trying, Ithink at the end of the day, as
long as you're giving it a shot.
There was one thing that fashionfailed crop top.
I'm not a fan of crop top and itdidn't fashion fail.
I just don't have the confidenceto wear a crop.
You need confidence for a croptop.
Yeah.
You need, you need to becarefree.
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Okay.
And I'm not one of those people.
I care a lot, I'm not carefreecrop top girl.
And I'm okay.
I had to accept that and I'mokay with it.
Yeah.
I, I dig a good crop top.
I appreciate now that they'remaking them, a little less
croppy and a little more toppy,a little more toppy.
Because you know, with age, Ihave a bigger bust and, I don't
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need my boobs falling out thebottom of my crop top if I put
my hands up.
I could wear a cute high waistedpant with a nice, appropriately
length cropped top.
But yeah, so funny how in ourheads we're like, yeah, I could
totally do this.
I rock this.
You put it on and you're like,what?
I'm like a toddler.
It's not a thing.
I appreciate that we can reflecton it and have fun with it.
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Let's talk about fashion andstyle as a joyful act, learning
to have fun with it.
it really changes how you seeyourself in fashion and style,
how you engage, how you dress,the things that you choose to
put on.
If I like put on an outfit andI'm like this outfit is basic
and boring, but I'm just gonnawear it because this is what
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40-year-old professionals wearand I don't feel good.
It's gonna impact my day.
Yeah.
But if I can put something onthat feels joyful, that makes me
smile, that makes me mayberemember my childhood or my
young adulthood when I couldhave fun with what I was putting
on my body.
So we can bring some of that joyback.
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It totally changes how you, itdoes show up in the world.
I like to call it the SilentRebellion.
Once I put that on my ownpersonal social media and a
bunch of middle aged men lovedit.
They were reposting it.
It was really interesting.
Fashion is a silent rebellionwhen you get to your middle age.
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I've shared this with Andy, thatI think that when you're in your
thirties and forties and eveninto your fifties, you're in
your second adolescence.
There is a movement right nowwhere there, is more visual
representation of aging womenthan there used to be.
Yeah.
So a few people have told me forjeans, go to American Eagle.
Mm-hmm.
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And I was like, wait, you know,I'm like a full on grownup.
Right?
isn't that high school clothes?
And they're like, no.
They're, they're catering toolder markets now and they've
expanded their sizes, they carryall the different lengths and
they really have I would nevereven go into that store,
unprovoked.
I haven't bought jeans fromthere yet.
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I'm gonna try it.
I'm gonna go outside my comfortzone.
You should try it.
I think.
You have to try it with me.
You know, we can go to theoutlets.
You know, I used to shop atAmerican Eagle with that one
high school friend whointroduced me to them, that was
actually one of the first, Ithink it was American Eagle and
it was, uh, Hollister.
Those were the name brands thatI had never heard of prior to
becoming friends with thisperson.
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And then they were like, let'sgo, they have models standing
outside of their stores.
Abercrombie and Fitch.
And so did Hollister for alittle while too.
Yeah.
And yeah, we would go to thosestores.
That was normal.
So to hear that they havecatered to a wider range of
women, Bravo to them.
I, I like can't even walk into astore.
I have to go get my teenagedaughter so that it's more
appropriate for me to walk intothe store.
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Like, are you buying somethingfor your No, I'm shopping for
myself.
One of the critical things thatwe wanna just, I wanna point out
too, women over 40 are criticalto your brand success.
This is a real statistic.
There are 83 million women over40 in this country.
That's a full 25% of the USpopulation.
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Mm-hmm.
Put in another way.
One in four Americans is a womanover 40.
Yep.
So.
I'm almost there.
I'm not there yet, but I'malmost there.
And I wanna say like that thatbracket between 35 to 45, 50
companies that aren't movingtoward tailoring some of their
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fashion options to that bracketare seriously missing out, on
major revenue streams.
Have you noticed that, like,when you shop now, are there
different things that bring youjoy now?
Things that like you'reattracted to that you will buy
for yourself now that maybe youwouldn't buy your for yourself
before?
So there's an interestingphenomena that's happening.
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I have a ton of dresses.
I don't wear them very often,but I love wearing dresses.
With a nice cardigan or a nicejacket.
It's a big thing for me and Ilike wearing, shear tights.
I like layers.
I don't know what that saysabout me, but I think it means
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that I'm supposed to live in NewYork.
I don't know.
You gotta also buy the rightsize.
Like Tan France says it's a fineline between finding the right
size for your body and thenpicking something that you're
just used to, or you might feelmore comfortable in because
you're self-conscious.
I think that's where I findmyself kind of struggling
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sometimes I have self-consciousmoments.
Growing into my body and beingokay with my body and loving my
body has become a staple.
And understanding that myfashion choices, they don't have
to be a thing of the past.
Like I don't necessarily need towear all the things that I wore
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when I was young, to feelconfident.
Mm-hmm.
I felt a level of confidence ina lot of those things, and
that's why I think I have thosereally reminiscent in
associations.
But it did take a moment and italso took a moment because my
peer group looks different andlike.
I had to kind of accept that Ihave so many different beautiful
people around me.
I don't have to look like anyparticular person.
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Mm-hmm.
I can just look like me.
But you can make yourself feelreally good and fashionable in a
nice jogger set.
Mm-hmm.
Or in a nice pair of jeans andregular t-shirts and layer the
way that you feel comfortable.
Mm-hmm.
Or long sleeve shirts havebecome a really big thing for
me.
Mm-hmm.
So I am like dreading summerbecause then my fashion's gonna
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go straight out the door.
In summer, that's when Istruggle the most because I hate
sweating.
How about you?
I think what brings me joy orthings that I pick out now are
like pops of color especiallylike a nice fuchsia pink.
You do like that color.
I do.
I love it.
It makes me so happy when I seeit, and I'm very careful about
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like how I use it, but it tracksmy attention right away.
Again, very close to red.
So I think we're discovering anew trend here.
It's also like Reem embracingthat part of femininity.
Pink, I think growing up meantsomething different that we both
rejected.
In a lot of ways.
Mm-hmm.
And that was probably because ofthe time in the era.
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And now it's like I re-embracedit and I'm like, screw you.
I'm gonna wear this and I'mgonna fricking enjoy it.
I also really like the sheerlike ways to use sheer sets.
I always thought, I'm much morecurvy now and that's really not
a thing.
But I will say I am followingsome people on social media who
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show you how to style yourclothes differently.
And there's so many cuteoutfits.
And I think it's also a fun wayto bring in this idea of feeling
a little sexier without thestereotypical way of just
showing all these parts of yourbody.
Yeah.
But having like a cute blazedrun with a little tank top that
has like a little sheer V-neckpart in it.
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Yeah, I bought a shirt likethat, but a long sleeve one that
has the little, yeah.
And they're super cute and Ithink you can feel sexy.
I mean, when I was in mytwenties, early twenties and
going out dancing all the time,I didn't dress like a hoochie
mama.
I dressed pretty simple, kind ofelevated but I felt really sexy
in what I was wearing.
So I think it has everything todo with how you feel and what
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you put on your body.
When you're younger you getvalidation in different ways.
So what you're wearing whenyou're younger, sometimes that
validation comes with that.
But as you get older you learnhow to create that validation
from yourself.
There's a lot of people outthere that are really, really
well versed in this and thingslike TikTok and Instagram are
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really helpful tools.
And Pinterest, I know Pinterest,girls love going on Pinterest..
Pinning, you know, look booksbasically.
That's totally helpful because.
It's like you have your ownmodel.
So I do appreciate that.
'cause that's not something wehad before.
Right?
But to see all different shapesof curvy women, women of
different ages.
Obviously the ones that I followare thirties and above because I
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can relate more to that styleand the pieces that they're
choosing.
Yeah.
Although there are some that I'mlike, that's not gonna happen.
But it is so helpful.
It's almost like a mirror whereyou can almost envision and
picture yourself in that outfit.
And with it comes a feeling.
Like I can look at an outfitfrom one of the Instagram
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influencers that I follow andgo, that's so cute.
And I can imagine myself.
Wearing it, doing something.
Yeah.
I could see that.
I have some that are youngerthan me, some that are older
than me.
There's like a Silver Fox lady,she's wonderful.
And then I also have, twocurvaceous, 30 year olds.
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I have moments still though I'mvery human.
And I have moments where I'mreally hard on myself.
There's other times where I'llsee, some of my peers are very
free in a lot of their decisionsthat they make, I admire that,
and I really want to emulatethat to some degree, but in the
lane of which I'm comfortablewith, and that I find sexy and
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enjoyable.
Ironically, even though I'm, Iam pretty much a free spirit in
a lot of ways, I'm conservativewith how I dress.
With the exception of the factthat I have tattoos all over my
arms.
Probably a little bit cultural,a little bit societal.
My tattoos are like my own giftsto myself.
I don't really share a lot ofthem.
Sometimes I will, depending, onmy environment and how
comfortable I feel.
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So it's been an interestingjourney for me to kind of figure
out what feels good on my bodyat this age.
And I think identifying whatmakes you joyful helps.
You know what I think we shoulddo is I think we should go buy
some fancy ass dresses or likesome super fur coats, like wild
outfits and just go to thesupermarket.
Okay.
Just faux fur though.
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But you know what I'm saying,something that just feels so
wild and fun and and you havethat, that child, innocent joy.
You're just having a good timeand you're just having a good
time.
Like getting that, and thengoing to home goods.
Yeah.
That's in a hot pink sparkly forcoat.
I know you mentioned yourtattoos.
Mm-hmm.
Do you see your tattoos as partof how you style yourself now?
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Uh, yeah.
There's only, one tattoo, that'sa mistake, but everything else
is great.
I honestly think, my tattoos arean extension of my expression,
of my love for life, and they'repersonal to me.
I do love them.
I will also say when I wasyounger, I used to idolize
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people on tv.
I would, this is.
There was a show called JerrySpringer.
Oh my God.
My dad used to watch it.
There was a bunch of people,they used to have tattooed
segments and my dad would say,oh my God, you better not get no
tattoos.
And I would be like, I wanttattoos so bad.
He'd be like under nocircumstances will you get
tattoos.
And then I got them, and he wasprobably really disappointed.
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Did I ever tell you what he saidto me about tattoos?
Mind you, he also had tattoos.
He had tattoos.
Culturally, he grew up in, hegrew up in an era where tattoos
meant something, different, verydifferent.
And not as much of an artfulexpression as other movements.
Yeah.
But I will say I love my tattoosand, I don't feel ashamed of
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them.
I do though wanna recognize thathe was warning me that life is a
little harder when you havetattoos.
You can get stereotyped reallyeasily.
Right.
And he just didn't know how toconvey that.
What do you think your stylesays about who you are today?
Like Mitch, today in 2025?
Mitch, today in 2025, postmoderngrunge sprinkled in with a
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little, just like casual chill.
That's another big thing buyingretro sneakers I love'em because
only being able to afford thingsoff the clearance rack usually
meant you got those kind ofshoes And it usually meant I had
the loudest sneakers in theschool.
It brought a lot of attentionand bullying.
Mm-hmm.
And so now rebranding that in ajoyous way.
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I wear them with pride.
Remember Payless?
Oh, I love Payless.
Shout out to anybody whoremembers Payless.
When you're in K through 12,payless is not, not it, right?
'cause your friends had the coolReebok with the glitter.
Two different, two tone, twocolor tones, or the shoes with
shoeless skates.
And you didn't have that, right?
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You had the Payless brandsneaker.
What do you think your stylesays about you, Andy?
I think today, Andy, today,2025.
I'm still trying to figure itout in my new era, but I think
what's interesting about where Iam in life right now, and this
is a gift of aging, is I'malmost going back and finding
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that same joy in the way I usedto dress and the things I would
pick out for myself when I was2021.
22 now in my forties.
So now I do still feel like I'mlike this boho chill vibe.
Like I dig a good boho matchingflowy outfit.
Yes.
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All day...
I just feel so comfortable andfree and it's just something
very peaceful about that vibe.
So I think it says like, chill,warm, but also there's parts of
my style now that um, have alittle bite to them, that maybe
have a little more complexity toit that makes people go, okay,
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there's something special.
There's something magical inthere.
As well.
So it's kind of like thiselevated version of that.
Which I used to do back in theday, you know?
Yeah.
So all the versions of yourself.
Coming together.
Yeah.
And it's just like this returnhome to self.
There are some things like funsneakers or like really bright,
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colorful tops under like ablazer.
And having fun with the jewelryand things like that, that I
really enjoy.
I do still like a simple makeupstyle.
I like it to be kind of classicclean.
I think it says I'm warm, chilldown to earth, but I also am
fun.
It's less about the trends nowand it's more about intention
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and how we choose the thingsthat make us feel like
ourselves.
And in order to feel likeyourself, you also need to do
the work to get to know who thatis.
Yeah.
Like Bill Cunningham said,fashion is the armor to survive
everyday life.
And if you don't know who BillCunningham was, he was a great
American fashion photographer.
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Beautiful quote.
Thank you.
All right, so we've talked aboutall these different intricacies
as it relates to style andfashion.
As women.
Going through life, embracingourselves differently, and
really finding that confidencein ourselves.
And loving ourselves really iskind of what it comes down to.
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This, intentional self-love thatallows yourself to feel worthy
and find joy.
In what you pick and how youdress yourself.
And it doesn't have to behigh-end fashion or spending a
boatload of money.
It can be done verystrategically.
Let's talk about like leaningmore into the fun side of it,
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you know?
What's your, what's your go-tooutfit that makes you feel good?
I'm a Jeans girl, I love jeansand sneakers and fun t-shirts.
But I love, elevating thesimple.
So, an outfit that I can wearthat will always make me feel
good no matter what I'm doing.
Is like a cool pair of jeans, Afun sneaker.
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I love a good white sneaker.
I know that dates me, but Idon't care.
The outfit for me that makes mefeel good is gonna be a nice,
they're called skater dresses, Iguess, or they're pretty much
like little summer dresses undera cardigan.
Some sheer tights and some niceboots.
So I'm all about that foreverfall vibe.
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Are there any fashion rulesyou've gladly broken in your
thirties and forties?
Yeah, I dunno if there arerules.
I, and it kind of, maybe they'reunspoken rules or rules I made
up.
I don't know, but to actuallylean into fashion trends a
little bit more because as I'veaged, I've almost felt like, oh,
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I'm too old for that.
Okay.
So I can't wear it even if Ilike it and so I would stay away
from it.
And then look at Chicos with sadeyes, like I guess it's just me
and you.
Because I think when you're inyour thirties and forties,
you're kind of stuck in themiddle.
It's like we're not in grandmaera, but we're also not forever
21.
I've leaned into breaking thatmyth.
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And some of those stereotypes ofthat if you're, if you're over a
certain age, you can't wearcertain things.
I do very much believe like justbecause you can doesn't mean you
should.
So I'm not trying to rock thingsthat don't work for my body.
But I dig the fact that, thenineties have made such a
comeback.
Because it just reminds me ofthat youthful time where I used
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to have fun with my clothes andused to enjoy wearing them and I
didn't have a massive wardrobe,but I had so much fun with it.
So I'm really embracing that.
Like I can take some of thosetrends that were trends in the
nineties growing up, but are nowcool again and incorporate them
as like staple pieces.
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To create these outfits that Ican say I love this outfit so
much that I don't care if it'snot in style because I feel so
good wearing it.
I'm gonna continue to wear it.
What about you?
Fashion rules that I gladlybreak.
I love a nice skinny jean.
I heard they're making it comeback and it's making me so sad.
I love them I bought one pair ofrelaxed fit jeans and I am
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comfortable in them sometimes,but I grew up in that like
screamo emo phase, and skinnyjeans were all the jams.
So I don't like the super tightskinny jeans where it looks like
you have to cut yourself out ofthem.
But I like, like a nice fittedskinny jean.
I'm all for it, but it also fitsyour body, right?
I do have long, gangly legs.
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Yes, they're not gangly.
She has beautiful long legs.
What about the wear white rule?
What do you mean?
I like you're not supposed towear white after Labor Day.
I love a good white t-shirt andjean.
I do enjoy a nice white buttondown shirt.
Yeah.
Or a nice white T crisp t-shirt.
Yes.
White tennis shoes.
So maybe that is a rule that I'mbreaking.
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That is a rule you're breaking.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, because I don't, I don'treally follow that whole, like,
white after Labor Day says Who?
Show me the receipts.
A good white t-shirt, a nicewhite shoe.
It never hurt nobody.
I also like to break the rulesbecause I think, again, it's
like a rebellion without anexplanation.
Yeah.
And you don't always have toexplain yourself to other
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people.
I think sometimes you could justbreak the rules, like if you
feel like you wanna be extrafeminine or you wanna challenge
some of the feminine stereotypesor whatever it might be, there's
ways to do it in fashion thatare really tasteful.
Yeah.
And I think you have to figureout what your fashion style is.
'cause is it feminine?
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Does it lead to be moremasculine?
And you could do it all like,you could literally be feminine
on Tuesday, feel like you wannabe more masculine on a
Wednesday.
And that's okay.
Yeah.
I mean like Diane Keaton, dianeKean wears her suits and it's no
big deal.
That's a power move.
If I've ever seen one as awoman, that is a power move.
It just looks great.
Yeah.
Good pants suit with a nicewhite crisp tea, good band
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shirt, sign me up.
Yeah.
Again, it's like finding thatcomfort.
Something that you feel good,powerful and sexy, and sometimes
powerful looks can feel sexy.
Mm-hmm.
And it's not about beingrevealing and sometimes having
those little nods to filling,revealing, or being fully
revealing, if you're reallycomfortable with that, sexy.
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Yeah.
So it's just, it's up to you andhow you feel you wanna express
yourself in that area.
What's one tip you'd give youryounger self about style?
Wear what you want.
Yeah.
Like, just kind of reiteratingwhat we were, what we've been
talking about is if it makes youhappy, wear it.
If you feel good in it, wear it.
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If you feel like it's justcompliments your personality, it
compliments your body, yourstyle, wear it.
Like, don't be so hung up onwhat you think other people are
gonna think about you based onyour fashion sense and your
style.
Or even if you think you have alack thereof.
Just be yourself.
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Because there's something reallypowerful about embracing your
authenticity in that.
And people see it.
So they look past the like,well, this person's a little
eclectic in their dress.
But they're like, it becomespart of your personality.
They're like, no, that's, that'sMitch.
She's super cool.
That's how she dresses and ittotally fits her vibe.
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Embrace it, and run with it andhave as much fun with it as
possible.
Experiment with differentstyles.
And really figure out what youlove most about style and
fashion and go with it.
Very well said.
What's one tip you would giveyour younger self about style?
I'm gonna go more practicalbecause you already covered all
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the bases with that one.
Comfort isn't secondary.
I think for me, a lot of timeswhen I was younger, I would buy
what looked the coolest and wasthe most affordable at the
expense of my feet.
You can find a middle groundthere.
You don't have to hurt your feetto go dancing.
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And I would say that dressyourself to feel confident in
the person that you are not theperson that other people want
you to be.
And being you and what makes youfeel good as being you, is
enough.
Yes, you are worthy.
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And it's okay to look frumpysome days.
Not every day is a makeup day.
And listen, elastic waistbandsare where it's at comfort.
They're chill, man.
Comfort is where it's at.
You can incorporate all of that.
It's just about finding the joy.
There's not just one way to dosomething.
And I think being okay withfinding those things as you move
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along throughout your journey isnatural.
And if you're not feelingcomfortable in your skin or
you're not feeling, safe in theversion of yourself that you're
expressing to the world.
It's okay to experiment, likeAndy said.
Thanks for coming along on thatjourney with us.
It turns out we are cool enoughto talk about fashion, just not
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in the way we thought.
If you've been in a style rut,which I have, which Mitch has,
then maybe this is your sign totry on something joyful, that
dress, that shirt, that piece ofjewelry that you've been eyeing
and you've told yourself, Hmm, Idon't deserve it.
I'm not worthy enough for it.
Or it's just gonna look silly.
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Just go for it.
We're telling you, go for it.
And as one of our favoritecharacters in that wonderful
movie, Spanglish said"Just tryit on".
Fashion isn't about beingtrendy, it's about remembering
who you are and dressing forthat version of you.
So perhaps we are not full onfashionistas, but we are cool
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enough to remind you thatfeeling good in your clothes is
the real flex.
Whether you're in your sweats,your Sunday best, or somewhere
in between style is aboutfeeling like you, again.
If you love this episode, shareit with a friend who's been
rocking the same hoodie since2017.
And don't forget to subscribe.
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Leave us a review and follow uson Instagram for more chisme
laughs and glow up energy.
Until next time, stay comfy,stay stylish and stay you.
Bye bye.
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